Ars Trinkets

[grand rover]

mhm

[rigid bane]

Compared to the amount of power you get from the eternity rune, I'd call it downright cheap

[grand rover]

it's mostly the time sink to conver everything

[rigid bane]

and pretty easy

[grand rover]

I need some sunflowers though tbh

[rigid bane]

I set the whole thing up and crafted all of it up within a day or two

Do you think a video would be helpfor for you? I plan to craft probably 1 more (because I like being excessive, i have 4 charm slots, but the other 2 offer valuable features that trinkets does not offer)

[grand rover]

probably yeah

[rigid bane]

Ok, I came up with a setup for making the essences that uses on base ars+trinkets and I think is very easy to understand and see what's going on, and another setup for crafting the charms that's also pretty simple to see what's going on. Now I just have to make the video lol. Neither are the most efficient setups, but the goal was simplicity/understandability, not efficiency

[lusty path]

sub spell..?
or something like that

oh also direct targeted inventory item use from spells

[lusty path]

the name will be something like invoke sub spell

FrogDrink

[grand rover]

Interesting

[naive tiger]

Curious...

[limber jewel]

is the monicle getting dropped for 1.21.1?

[lusty path]

i have yet to decide what to do with it as its was a game breaking item

[grand rover]

how do I level down in Trinkets? I'm thinking about doing so to have more fun

[rigid bane]

Eat the corrupted heart or something like that. Look in JEI for @trinkets and it’s the black item that takes an enchanted golden apple to make. Make it, look at the ground or wall, and right click in it. There will be no chat message, but you’ll notice your mana is back to normal

[grand rover]

Ah oke

[limber jewel]

fair you could just lean into it and break the game more lmao

[rigid bane]

Would video on crafting essences & crafting the eternity rune still be helpful for you? I got sick and wasn't able to record anything, but could do so in the next day or two now.

[grand rover]

Yeah

I currently have a very manual setup

[rigid bane]

Ok cool, I'll get that recorded. It might be entirely unedited, I don't know a thing about editing

and my friend who does know how to edit is too sick right now to help

In the meantime, would a world download help?

[grand rover]

Hmm maybe?

[rigid bane]

(see #1189292470631141376 message for world downlod)

When you spawn in, directly ahead of you is the essences farm. Look left and you'll get a summary of how much time to expect to spend on it. Left of that (behind you as you spawn in) is a super basic bulk enchanting apparatus setup

In the chests are everything you'll need for construction

[calm burrow]

interesting

[grand rover]

thank you

[rigid bane]

The essences build? I was aiming for the easiest to understand setup I could think of, there's definitely more efficient ways of doing it

Especially more space-efficient

I laid the entire thing out horizontally thinking that would be easier to understand and easier to build than a vertically stacked solution

[unreal nimbus]

so... i had essence in my hand, some iron one
i pressed right click and now all of it is gone

idek what happened

https://klipy.com/gifs/spongebob-thinking-7

anyonr can tell me?

[rigid bane]

You ate it, basically. If you keep doing that you'll see chat messages about progressing through various mage levels, capping out at 9th level. Each level gives you huge mana boosts. I've only tried it with the purple essences though, didn't know it worked with other essences

[unreal nimbus]

bruh it just ate all at the same time :(
but eh... tim to get another lots of copper yay...

[tiny horizon]

Is there a way to automate the essence creation?

[zenith bluff]

Yeah, you just have to use filters

[rigid bane]

#1189292470631141376 message

I'll make the video today, but there's the world download showing one relatively simple solution

The WDL in discord download, so that i can remove it from google drive

[rigid bane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXqA-j_z2Vw
Omegacyborg & darkfly0213 -- here's that video y'all wanted on how to automate essence production and how to craft the eternity rune. I'll get some help editing it and cutting out a lot of the waiting time, but that'll take a little more time. And just a fair warning I'm not a content creator so do expect lower quality 🙂

[grand rover]

yay thak you

[lusty path]

thanks for making this video, it's a great resource to have for the mod

ill be pinning it in here so that future newfriends can refer to it when starting their eternal rune grind

hmm i need some finer tuned propagators to propagate spells at some more specific points in a 3d space

[rigid bane]

Woo, I take it as a big compliment that it's getting pinned!

[manic kelp]

Eh, make smth like reliquaries then

You can't store stuff in a glyph

[rigid bane]

Oh and by the way I welcome constructive feedback for the tutorial! I enjoy sharing knowledge and have had many tutorials I've wanted to make, so feedback on how to do it better would be most welcomed

[coarse swan]

What do runes do?

I cant place them

[lusty path]

they're curios/stat boosting items

[coarse swan]

.....
All the runes in this mod are neither placeable nor equipable
I am planning to start a playthrough with this mod and want to know what they do because they cost a GOOD bit to make

[merry temple]

They are, in fact, equip-able

[coarse swan]

In what slot then?

Just for clarification, I meant those guys

[merry temple]

I would say charm slot

[coarse swan]

....
You know some mods really need to have kubejs as a dependency

Still tho, what do they do?
I am guessing arcane gives more mana, war increases spell power, life increases hp
But what does death do?

[merry temple]

That i do not know

[coarse swan]

Fair, thanks

[merry temple]

No worries

[rigid bane]

Honestly the main purpose behind the war/arcane/etc runes is to be intermediaries in crafting the eternity rune

[grand rover]

the Eternity rune gives a massive buff to everything but it's the hardest to get as it requires like you get 2 greater Runes of the other kinds
I believe they all give more mana and Mana regen

oh I was wrong

[rigid bane]

I'm checking my game to see what the intermediates actually do if equipped though. I honestly never looked at them aside from being intermediate crafting steps

[grand rover]

the Arcane runes give Max Mana, Mana Regen and spell power
War is Knockback Resistance, Armor and Attack Damage
Life is Movement Efficiency and Max Health
Death is Armor Toughness and Attack speed

[rigid bane]

Enigma, what version are you playing on? For me the tooltip shows the effects

[grand rover]

weirdly enough the Greater Runes are actually stronger than the Eternity rune but you do only use up one slot to get all the effects

I decided to cheat only to make myself mortal again, cause even at being level 5, it was too stronk for me

[rigid bane]

I also crafted Heart of Blasphemy, deleveled myself to 0. Even without any levels I'm still plenty strong enough

But I am still wearing my eternity rune

[grand rover]

I tried to use the Heart of Blasphemy but it wasn't doing anything for me oddly so I just got the Human soul and used that

[rigid bane]

For blasphemy, you have to rightclick on a solid block. No chat message, item doesn't disappear, it's silent

[grand rover]

Ah, gotcha

[rigid bane]

My version of trinkets doesn;t have a human soul

interesting

[grand rover]

I think it's a cheat only item?

[rigid bane]

All I know is it isn't in JEI

[grand rover]

cause I'm on the latest version of Trinkets and it showed up for me in Jei

[rigid bane]

That's odd, I'm also on latest (according to prism's updater). Oh well, either way we both de-leveled as desired

[grand rover]

yup, it was mostly the mana regen tbh

like I didn't have to worry about how much my spells costs

[rigid bane]

For me it was both. Even de-leveled I still have 10k mana, have tons of regen, and rarely concern myself with mana regen unless I'm spamming something particularly expensive (or turn on fast right click in tweakeroo and spam something cheap 100 times per second)

[merry temple]

Shouldn’t all of this show up as a tooltip?

[rigid bane]

It should. It does for me, whether or not advanced tooltips are enabled

[amber moon]

Okay sorry seriously what the hell does this do

I've tried googling and found to go here, with twoish people asking the same question

the arcane/war/life/death runes all explain what they do, but this doesn't

[rigid bane]

You can eat essences by right-clicking with them while facing a solid block. Like, hold an essence in your hand, look at the floor, right click. You'll see chat messages about leveling up as a wizard, to the max level of 9. Each level amplifies your mana, mana regen, and spell power.

You can use a heart of blasphemy to de-level back to mage level 0. Same usage instructions: hold in hand, look at a solid block, right click. There will be no chat message, and the heart is not consumed, it's very silent. But you'll notice your mana/regen/spell power go back down to normal levels.

[amber moon]

Alright! Thank you!

[rigid bane]

yw!

By default, the amount of power you get out of eating essences is SUPER powerful. It took me from like 5k mana to 55k mana and I could spam spells that cost 5k mana without even seeing my mana dip, and I one-shot basically everything including bosses even with a basic spell. This can be changed in the configs and if you're on a modpack it very likely has been changed to balance against the other mods in your pack

[amber moon]

We installed this seperately on top of the Enigmatica Modpack so it's probably not super balanced. Gotta figure out how to edit the server configs, but TYVM

[rigid bane]

The settings are in config/ars_trinkets-common.toml and I think it's the variables damage_bonus, mana_bonus, and regen_bonus. I'm not sure what soul_quantity is for in the config.

[split iris]

can anyone tell me how the devour soul glyph works? And how can you become an ordinary magician if you don't care that you're a dark magician now, and is that a bad thing?

[lusty path]

removes level

update coming in 3-4

[manic kelp]

is that days, weeks, months, apples, pears or starbies???

[lusty path]

uh arbitrary units

[lusty path]

soul quantity is the required "xp"

[crystal granite]

is 8 circles 9 cores the max

[lusty path]

yes

also max out your runes

[crystal granite]

i put on a red mana lotus on 1.21.1 and my server crashed😔

I had to edit my DAT file

(just 8 circles no cores)

[grand rover]

I'm trying to remember the name of a Boss Mod that somoene here recommended

[rigid bane]

Can you say more about the boss mod you're trying to think of?

[grand rover]

I found it, it was Qlioth awakening :3c

[rigid bane]

ahh

yeah, that's a fun one

[grand rover]

I remember you mentioned it so I just did a Seach in Discord

I'm building a Modpack with a friend and I'm thinking about leaving Trinkets out cause it's too stronk without tweaks

[boreal jackal]

I massively nerfed it for Expeditions and left it out of Draconis

[rigid bane]

How massively did you nerf it? My computer won't run expeditions so I can't easily look for myself

Mostly curious to have an idea for how much I might want to nerf it in future homebrew packs

[coarse swan]

Not really, because the higher tier runes that are lower than the eternity provide 50% higher bonuses of their respective stats

[rigid bane]

Ah good point. With that in mind, the main purpose of crafting rings/lotuses is either to get to purple or to craft runes. The main reason for lower tier runes is to craft higher tier runes. Higher tier runes have a purpose of their own, or just be crafted into eternity rune

[lusty path]

can you send the logs?

[crystal granite]

uh yeah sure

lemme find em

(so fucked)

[lusty path]

oh i think i know
it might be an invalid config

try to renove

[crystal granite]

ohh

i did mess with the configs

[lusty path]

config/ars-trinket-common

[crystal granite]

i tried doubling all the trinkets

[lusty path]

yes the lines for lotus/mana rings has to be 7 (?) entries long

and the values have to follow a certain format (i think?)

[crystal granite]

does this not work

[lusty path]

try to put 2.0 fir all the calues

[crystal granite]

ah ok

[lusty path]

it is expecting a float number

but you’re putting integers

so yhat might be why

[crystal granite]

ok that makes sense

[boreal jackal]

I capped level at 4 (or maybe 5), and tuned down the bonuses to only be like a total of 20-25% if I remember correctly

[hollow cliff]

how much mana does sun flare cost bro 😭

[calm burrow]

yes

[calm burrow]

should be anywere between 600 or 2000
i for got which
i do know air sword is 1500

[lusty path]

yes

[hollow cliff]

I wanted to troll my friend but accidentally one shot him with pure harm because of that ridiculous amount of spell power you get from that monocle

😭

[lusty path]

suffering from success i see

[fallen tangle]

what does your soul has signs of cracking mean

[calm burrow]

You should be about to level up

[lusty path]

level up is near

[lusty path]

update was in fact not near

[calm burrow]

dam

[soft shuttle]

hey i have a question, how do i remove leveling naturally, these fuckass messages are driving me and my friends insane

[lusty path]

server configs

[heady swift]

how even

[soft shuttle]

serial murderers of defenseless creatures

[cloud wraith]

ok i guessi miss clicked and use a essence and now im a "thrid circle mage apprentice" what does that give me and is it worth leveling that up?

[heady swift]

are you in a modpack or just using the mod on your own

cause if it isnt configed, it turns you into god

[grand rover]

it gives you extra mana, Mana regen and Spell power, pretty significantly

like I only went up to Fifth circle mage, and I didn't really have to worry about the cost of my spells since the regen was so insane

[soft shuttle]

do you guys think i can become a god in a minecraft server with this because my friends added ars trinkets without fully knowing about it, and im the only guy allowed to use ars nouvaeu in general

[merry temple]

Yes. Congrats, you win the server

[heady swift]

yeah just the gems make you do like 30 damage per punch

[tall ivy]

Keep in mind though
Its lonely at the top

[coarse swan]

What are the other mods?

Because if they can competer with ars nouveau in the first place, ars trinkets isnt doing THAT much

I mean yeah, infinite mana and regen will really help, but you could kinda do that anyway

[heady swift]

9th circle doesn't just give mana afact, it gives damage bonuses and crit something

[coarse swan]

Yeah, alongside health, defense and almost all important stats

But it is not like ars had defense comparable to it's damage

[heady swift]

It gives insane spellpower too afaik

[coarse swan]

If other mods could compete in damage, they are probablt higher in defense

[coarse swan]

So... damage

[heady swift]

The mods that are higher in defences dont matter lol

The spells use unique damage types and go through armor

[coarse swan]

I dont know man but if draconic evolutution or mekanism are there, they absolutely can take a hit

[coarse swan]

Even through mekanism?

And DE?

[heady swift]

They can take a hit sure, but mekasuit dies to armor piercing

Dunno about DE

[coarse swan]

Doesnt armor piercing require than most of the time banned glyph?

[heady swift]

But with infinite mana you can make egregious damage spells and slap an auto clicker onto it

?

Crush goes through mekasuit

So does spore blossom

[coarse swan]

Most high damage spells use burst so good luck for your pc

[heady swift]

Nah you dont need burst

[coarse swan]

Without nullify defence?

[heady swift]

Do you understand what nullify defence does

[coarse swan]

Ignores I-frames and armor

[heady swift]

Just resets iframe

So they can take damage again

Its an effect not a nuclear bomb, you still have to use it smartly

[coarse swan]

Wait so it doesnt ignore armor?

[heady swift]

No

It just resets iframe state so the enemy can take damage again

[coarse swan]

Ohh, well thats fair

Dunno about the "use it smartly" part tho

You just put it at the end of your spell and congrats, provided you sue burst, you multiplied your damage by 10(atleast)

use*

[heady swift]

No need when they dont have armor that can stop you

Crush, wind shear, spore blossom

[coarse swan]

I've seen someone complain about DE so I am guessing it can

[heady swift]

Either of those will go through a mekasuit, and with an auto clicker that clicks enough times, with nullify defense and a proper amount of spellpower you can get massive damage output

Without the lag

Also the arcane something glyphs are good too

Not glyphs

Runes

[coarse swan]

Yeah, but they still have revives and you have horrible defense

A chaotic bow could insta kill an ars player

[heady swift]

Depends which mods you have

[coarse swan]

And has an arguably better rang

range*

[heady swift]

Ars is all about the addons

In terms of this conversation lol

[coarse swan]

Yeah, but I dont remember any addon giving much defense

[heady swift]

Ars reliquified

[coarse swan]

The relics addon?

[heady swift]

Yep

[coarse swan]

It gives damage resistance of any sorts?

[heady swift]

Cloak of concealment

[coarse swan]

Isnt that a revive?

And then invisibility I think

[heady swift]

Nope, it's a mana shield

You're thinking of illusionists

[coarse swan]

I remember reading it allows you to stay alive when killed and gives you some time of immunity, not sure tho

[coarse swan]

What does that do?

[heady swift]

You're thinking of the wrong cape

Illusionists mantle is the one you're talking about

Cloak of concealment is mekasuit for ars basically

But it doesn't remove iframes

[coarse swan]

WHAT, are you sure because mana is kinda harder to maintain at higher values than say FE

But he has trinkets-

[heady swift]

Yeah.

That's the point

[coarse swan]

Well, I guess they win then

[heady swift]

Unconfiged trinkets paired with reliquified gives you mekasuit

[coarse swan]

Umm, there is an addon for DE that is kinda insane, if ars trinkets is allowed it should be allowed

And then the odds shift a little bit

[heady swift]

Not really

Ars can teleport any threat away to another dimension

[coarse swan]

It allows you infinitely revive as long as you have energy

[coarse swan]

That's fair, but I dont have to be close, and ray doesnt have much range

Projectile is slow

[heady swift]

????????????

Ray range is increased with aoe glyph

By a lot.

[coarse swan]

Yeah, but is it further than a bow with gravity cancellation and multiple chaotic speed modules?

[heady swift]

Yeah definitely, at some point you're basically just outside of rendering

[coarse swan]

Yeah, and the addon i am talking about adds an insane homing module, so yeah

[heady swift]

Reactive blink while holding a scroll

Tps any threat away to another dimension

Idk what you're trying to even talk about lol

You can also use the retaliate glyph to target them

[coarse swan]

Does it use a form glyph?

And can any form glyph insta use it's effect across chunks?

MULTIPLE chunks

[heady swift]

Yes but now this is just annoying

You're not even talking about ars anymore just glazing DE

evil nuggie out

[coarse swan]

Yeah, but can you kill a DE player with ars?

[heady swift]

I literally explained it 5 mins ago

Cease

[coarse swan]

Ohh right, can an ars player kill a DE player with a chaotic bow across 12 chunks?

[heady swift]

It the DE player deals any damage to the ars player, retaliate allows targeting ot that attacker across basically any distance iirc

[coarse swan]

Wait, you mentioned retaliate, forgot that part, but still, those arrows will deal nasty damage

[heady swift]

Dude what part of cease did you not understand

[coarse swan]

The entire thing

[heady swift]

I dont care for the DE glaze leave me alone

[coarse swan]

Ok man, sorry about that, I dont play DE much anyways, just wanted to clarify it has better range, when you think about it, it is only better range

[lusty path]

its final% DR that applies after prot and armor

[lusty path]

spmic blast is reduced by 75% not 100% on meka suit

welp ig i have to make a revive-prevention glyph now

un-cancels the canceled event

oh i think air sword does it because of the generic damage type

[calm burrow]

would be cool if the dmg based on xp glyph could disable certain positive effects at certain levels

[vague crescent]

TBF if you also have ATAG and apotheosis, not sure you need to armor pierce. The damage gets into the 10,000s without even trying or stacking a glove.

Was curious so added this to my existing game, spent some time automating up the essences and crafts. Lord it takes a while.

[errant pulsar]

Is there any way to fix the tooltip? Im playing on 1.21.1 neoforge

This happens in bigger packs, but also in one that only has Ars Trinkets and the dependencies

[rigid bane]

That looks like a bug

[errant pulsar]

Is there any way I can prevent it from happening

Also, the Filter Self and Not Self glyphs have missing textures

[rigid bane]

Are you on the latest version?

[errant pulsar]

yes

on 1.21.1 neoforge

[rigid bane]

Hmmm maybe it just hasn't been released yet because the file ars-trinkets/src/main/resources/assets/ars_trinkets/lang/en_us.json seems to have that key in there, and I believe that's where it comes from

If you open up the jar file, you might be able to find that translation file and set it yourself? Not sure though, I never really open jar files

[errant pulsar]

this is the latest neoforge version right? or has it been released elsewhere

[rigid bane]

i think that's the latest

[errant pulsar]

this is from .jar

[rigid bane]

ahhhhh

[errant pulsar]

idk what else im supposed to do there

[rigid bane]

i think maybe it should be item.ars_trankets.eternity_rune, not eternal_rune

or just add a new line with eternity rune

[errant pulsar]

maybe

[rigid bane]

Worth a shot

[errant pulsar]

i just changed eternal to eternity for now

[rigid bane]

Otherwise you'll have to wait for Clement to come around

[errant pulsar]

it worked! thanks for the help 🙂

[rigid bane]

Woot!

In that case I'll make a tiny PR for it, unless you'd like to

[errant pulsar]

Whats a PR

but its fine if you do it

[rigid bane]

pull request, submitting a code change

[errant pulsar]

you can do that

[rigid bane]

https://github.com/clcment446/ars-trinkets/pull/1

[lusty path]

@errant pulsar noted ill release a patch asap

[lusty path]

oh well ty

[amber moon]

Hey, I'm on 1.21.1 and for some reason nobody can eat essences anymore? I'm going to try and re-install the mod after a backup, but is there any config file I might have fucked up for this to happen?

[lusty path]

re-vamping the crown (is this tuff in ohio?)

[lusty path]

are you clicking the air or the ground?

also imma be honest i REALLY need to re-write the essence code to make them eatable again

[amber moon]

Air.

[zenith bluff]

Mhm, def has aura

[errant pulsar]

will the 1.21.1 version recieve anymore updates? or just 1.20.1

[lusty path]

theres a .21 update brewing

as for .20 idk yet

[merry temple]

https://tenor.com/view/anthony-adams-rubbing-hands-together-spice-adams-vyd3n-meme-man-behind-tree-meme-gif-2569343513927502347

[unreal nimbus]

my eyes hurt i eep

[lusty path]

congrats

now do that 8x times to get prepared for the crown

[unreal nimbus]

Not even CLOSE clement I am SET AND HAPPY 😭

[indigo violet]

Circle levels are crazy overpowered lmao

Is there a way to see what circle and core I have?

Well, see how many cores because I went and used purple essence to get to 7th circle black mage

[indigo violet]

Wew there are 9 levels
How does one reach 8th and 9th cuz its saying I already have a flawless soul
nvm turns out server somehow limited it to 7

[heady swift]

i think the mod is meant to be configed

[lusty path]

indpect soul gltph

[lusty path]

yes

[heady swift]

Maybe if you make a toned down version, it'll get added to beeg packs

[indigo violet]

oh thanks yea

sadly our server not even at end yet so no dragon head 😔

[lusty path]

i was contacted to add it to a big pack but there was never a follow-up message

i did the thing on stripe & all but they forgor me

son im crine

[lusty path]

ignore this im preparing the changelog

Bugfixes

• Removed annoying logs
• Essence items are now eatable consumables
• Key translation fix (feat of https://github.com/fancy-stone-pile)

Features

• Add Imperial Decree spell form
• Add Omnipotence Crown recipe
• Add Stronger enemy types based on weighted sum of top 5 players' level
• Add fancy ass tooltip for Omnipotence Crown

[umbral maple]

how can i config soul quantity on forge 1.20.1?

[umbral maple]

nvm figured it out

[lusty path]

now with multi-line+chat formatting support

[rigid bane]

Ooo second line and a third line! Very powerful indeed!

[lusty path]

this was a proof of concept

right now im adding more powerful enemies per player level

and MAYBE making it so that the higher your levels the more glyphs you can put in spells

though this would require quite a bit of rewiring and overall changing stuff i probably should not change in AN

oh yeah also ancient lightning strike now has the same behaviour as on entity hit

IE it spreads the remainder of the spell to targets

[rigid bane]

Oh yeah I realized that. Was just being (unsuccessfully) silly

[lusty path]

hehehe

[lusty path]

the bonus glyphs thing works

nyehehe!

it's an attibute

[rigid bane]

Dope! That’ll be fun. Will it also add slots you’re using a spell book with extra slots (eg unobtanium)?

[lusty path]

it should

unless there are some weird mixin issues

hm

could you please test it on my behalf

and see if it breaks with mods that add similar features

@rigid bane

[rigid bane]

I’m nowhere near a computer right now but can test later

[lusty path]

alright tyty

[rigid bane]

I'm getting this error

[14:34:26.371] [main/FATAL] [mixin/]: Mixin prepare for mod ars_trinkets failed preparing AbstractCasterBonusSlotsMixin in ars_trinkets.mixins.json: org.spongepowered.asm.mixin.transformer.throwables.InvalidMixinException The specified mixin 'com.c446.ars_trinkets.mixin.AbstractCasterBonusSlotsMixin' was not found org.spongepowered.asm.mixin.transformer.throwables.InvalidMixinException: The specified mixin 'com.c446.ars_trinkets.mixin.AbstractCasterBonusSlotsMixin' was not found

I'll try updating all the mods in the modpack to see if that helps. Upgrading ars nouveau alone didn't fix it

Ok more errors, screw that, I'm just starting with a fresh install

Getting a crash https://mclo.gs/SoaweFe with a fresh install with the latest atag, ars, your trinkets jar file, and latest library mds.

Launches just fine with latest released ars trinkets

and there is no crash report

Same error as I got previously:

[14:48:11.585] [main/FATAL] [mixin/]: Mixin prepare for mod ars_trinkets failed preparing AbstractCasterBonusSlotsMixin in ars_trinkets.mixins.json: org.spongepowered.asm.mixin.transformer.throwables.InvalidMixinException The specified mixin 'com.c446.ars_trinkets.mixin.AbstractCasterBonusSlotsMixin' was not found org.spongepowered.asm.mixin.transformer.throwables.InvalidMixinException: The specified mixin 'com.c446.ars_trinkets.mixin.AbstractCasterBonusSlotsMixin' was not found

[manic kelp]

reads as if the mixin was not bundled or smth

[lofty girder]

hmm

time to look into this

now that i am home

[lofty girder]

oh you're on linux son?

that's good

[lofty girder]

issue might have been caused by the gradle.build making the mixins load too early

[mint elbow]

Why the new account?

[lofty girder]

i've had it for almost 2 year just forgot to join this server

😭😭

[mint elbow]

Rewording, why the alt account?

[lofty girder]

i lost the 2FA keys of my old account when my laptop took an unfortunate bath

i can still use it by logging via scanning a QR code but if i loose my phone it's wraps

[jovial urchin]

Is there like a toned down version of this mod because it's really cool but I've had to stop my server members from using some features in it otherwise everyone would be so overpowerd 😭

[calm burrow]

there are a few configs you can alter

[lofty girder]

^message above this one
and if there is a feature you would like a config option for do ask

[lofty girder]

@rigid bane can you please try this one?

it SHOULD be fixed...

[rigid bane]

Yep, on linux. My laptop came with windows 10 and I couldn't stand it! It enraged me, and windows 11 from what I understand is wo much worse

Will give it a try now!

Used to use mac, it's what my work gave me and I kept that laptop as a personal laptop. Mac is unix so I didn't feel so out of place using it. But windows, damn, made me want to take a sledgehammer to the computer

Hmmm the extra spell slots aren't woring for me

even with the base ars spellbook. I first tried with the creative spellbook with no luck, so I switched to a normal base-ars archamge spellbook and still no extra slots.

also having this weird issue where i'm... floating

I don't have an extranneous mods installed, this instance was made just to test the spell slots

Yeah, having lots of movement issues when the crown is on

However the damage reduction/extra lives thing does appear to work. Warden was only hitting me for a tiny bit of damage, and upon 'death' i went back to full hp. I didn't test if it was the full 10ish lives, only tested one "death"

[lofty girder]

alright thanks for the feedback

ill try to get the mixin working

[rigid bane]

Are you a new dev on trinkets? Haven't seen you before about a week ago 🙂

[manic kelp]

Alt account of Clement

[rigid bane]

ahhh

[tall ivy]

ok so how exactly does air sword work
sometimes I use it and it doesn't do any damage, other times I use it and i get one tapped

this is the spell im testing

the first time I cast it I don't take a single tick
the second time I cast it I die instantly

[lofty girder]

it does generic damage

and you need to use nullify

after it

or before

before is preferable

(during the loop part)

[tall ivy]

im not great at understanding the tech ends of things, why would it be randomly killing me like this?

[lofty girder]

is marking you as one of the target

use target not self

to filter this out

[tall ivy]

ah let me rephrase my question

how would I get it to kill something 100% of the time instead of randomly like how im dying

(ik I can never kill things 100% of the time because sometimes the spell wont do enough damage Im saying how do I make it consistent when it kills vs when it doesn't)

[tall ivy]

also ty for this advice im gonna swap some glyph orders on other spells

[lofty girder]

hmm that's an issue i also sometimes have

and it's been

annoying me

i think it's due to the damage type but it doesn't make sense that it isn't working

since yk
generic spell damage is used by a lot of the glyphs

[tall ivy]

yeah

the part thats confusing me is the "defense negation" thing in its glyph description

like
how is it negating the defense

in what way*

[lofty girder]

that's the damage type property

it bypasses armor

(if i remember correctly)

and MAYBE effects

though that needs testing

[tall ivy]

so armor bypass, got it

still interesting because I shouldn't be tanking it in my air armor if its bypassing the armor's resistance, right?

or is armor bypass only for the actual "armor" part

and not any bonus effects

[lofty girder]

looked at tags again seems like generic spell damage isn't in the bypass armor tag lsit

ill migrate it to a custom damage type

then

maybe that will solve the issue

[tall ivy]

literally goated 🙏

[lofty girder]

tyty

[tall ivy]

ok weird question, how do you craft the glyph of inspect soul? it doesn't seem to have a recipe

-# also where would I go to find starter information on this mod's content because while the FAQs helped I still have no idea what the hell an "archmage core" is or how to get it or wtf "awakened void armor" is especially since there's no crafting recipe and its not showing up in creative inventory

[lofty girder]

huh seems like i forgot to add a recipe

thanks for bringing that up

as for your second question, i think it's time i add patchouli docs to the mod

as for the content it's relatively simple

you create essence (the hue shifted emeralds/diamonds) and either use it as crafting material or eat it to leve up

the levels have two "parts"

the first is cores the second level

cores need to be obtained via the mage heart items and they are level-specific

IE the lower tier of mage cores is usable by mage levels 1 to 3

after that you need to use the higher tiers one which are more expensive

[tall ivy]

(Omfg thank you this is alr so helpful)

I built an essence farm but I haven’t used any yet (except a single gold essence because of a misclick, but I tried clicking around with a heart of blasphemy idk if it did anything tho)

How do I get mage hearts they dont have crafting recipes either

[tall ivy]

Wait is there a set of docs out there somewhere I can read

-# how do i find those

[lofty girder]

not yet obtainable

since i want to revamp them

[tall ivy]

So its pretty much impossible to fully progress unless you give yourself items from creative mode(?)

[tall ivy]

I remember people talking about cores being annoying and stuff, should I wait to use my essences until that update happens?

[lofty girder]

probably

im mostly done with the update

until i decide to add on a new feature

[tall ivy]

that was gonna be my next question cause Im trying to figure out what I should spend my time doing on my minecraft server 💀

so once again

thank you I owe you one (more like 5 at this point 😭)

Sorry if any of this is repetitive, I did try backreading through pinned messages but I only was able to get so far

[lofty girder]

getting eight eternity rune would be quite neat

since next update may or may not add a super duper secret item

and also getting to max level

or getting the materials to do so

[tall ivy]

I thought I was supposed to wait before doing that

or is "max level" and eating essence two different things

[lofty girder]

max level is level nine

cores are another multiplier that you can slap if you don't have enough mana

it's just more mana

but at level 9 you have hundreds of thousands of mana

so it's overkill

[tall ivy]

OHHH so cores aren't like... really necessary if I already have a fully automated essence farm and a fuck ton of copper running with a tablet of arcane permanence

[tall ivy]

what did it mean when I ate a gold essence and it told me I was an "initiate"

is that just the fancy word for level 1

[lofty girder]

yes

[tall ivy]

ah so the essences give you different levels of "exp" with purple being the most

?

[lofty girder]

yes

[tall ivy]

I assume its intentional that I can't eat more than two copper essences

[lofty girder]

exact values can be found in the config

[lofty girder]

you can't use essence of a level lower than yourself

[tall ivy]

yup yup figures

so there's really no reason to not just grab a bunch of purples and chug those right now then

[lofty girder]

yes

except that you might feel like things are too easy

x)

base config makes high levels REALLY broken

[tall ivy]

I gave myself a heart of blasphemy in case I fucked things up 💀

[lofty girder]

lol

[tall ivy]

I literally have a set of enchanted unbreakable leather armor I put on when Im feeling too godly

so now I'll just slap this next to that in my trinket bag lmao

I fr be suiting up like iron man whenever I get a minor inconvenience

[tall ivy]

is there any reason to keep eating essences after ninth circle legendary archmage

because you can

[lofty girder]

yes

back then eating essence made you regain mana

/ health

[tall ivy]

so basically they serve the purpose of a mana potion now

[lofty girder]

not anymore

who knows maybe in the future ill add something that uses overflow xp as a resource

[tall ivy]

back then

me when I can read 😭

mb

[lofty girder]

lol

[tall ivy]

one last question because I couldn't see values for this in the config,

does eating essence give you damage resistance?

because Im trying to self-test some lightning and its doing nothing to me

[lofty girder]

yes

[tall ivy]

thank you :D

[lofty girder]

it's tied to the damage bonus multipliers

also no worries

✌️

[tall ivy]

so fights between two level 9 guys are gonna basically be wet noodle slapping until someone crashes out and drops something with nullify defense

(I understand the point of this mod is being OP, I'm just clarifying)

[lofty girder]

if two level 9s fight they'll do the same damage to each other as two level 1s

point is that the damage bonus/reduction of two players at the same level balances out

[tall ivy]

I was gonna guess this but then my dumb ass went "nah there's no way that's it, that would be REASONABLE"

[lofty girder]

🤣

[tall ivy]

Hey, sometimes you need a bit of "reasonable" to make the "unreasonable" feel better

anyways off to go hold down a 6k mana per second spell for as long as I want

[lofty girder]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

[tall ivy]

I made one of those immortality engines that gives you a bunch of mana every tick and I was gonna put it on reactive armor

but then we added trinkets to the modpack and suddenly mana was a non-issue

[tall ivy]

Another question: does it also buff your general melee damage?

[calm burrow]

i belive so

[lusty path]

yes

it should boost all damage types

though i need to update the docuemntation

the lost?
is that a TBOI reference?

[tall ivy]

I'd imagine it also boosts resistance as well

since Im sitting in a nether lava lake with no armor like its a slightly-too-hot jacuzzi

[tall ivy]

...documentation?

(Is there something to read that I've been missing)

[lofty girder]

after almost a week a have eradicated (most of) the bugs

[tall ivy]

why am I still having the status effects in the last portion of the spell apply to me if i put filter not self
is it something to do with temporal context?

[lofty girder]

temporal context is weird
i think you need to put not self in the first part inside of

[tall ivy]

Before or after?

[lofty girder]

inside of

[tall ivy]

so filter not self

[lofty girder]

filter not self

[tall ivy]

damn ok

got it

[tall ivy]

does air sword just not do damage through earth earth armor

I dropped a nullify defense air sword throngle variant on someone (equal circle) and they took no damage

[manic kelp]

Earth which?

Ars Plus or Wealdguard

[tall ivy]

wealdguard

[manic kelp]

umh, i think wealdguard would reduce air glyph damage by at least 75%

need to check the math

[tall ivy]

yeah, my point is "doesn't air sword negate defenses though"

[manic kelp]

it ignores iframes and maybe armor

that's an armor passive

[tall ivy]

so it isn't so much "negates defense" as it is "built in nullify defense and oxidize"

[manic kelp]

it's wind shear + nullify

[tall ivy]

I feel really dumb for not knowing this

If you're on the ground, would cut or wind shear do more damage if you're air mage

[manic kelp]

I mean, it's the same damage type as wind shear but without the height stuff

It also has a modifier on the lines of [1 + Hex level / 4 + Snare level / 3]

and the iframes are reset post-damage

[manic kelp]

something shaped like this

[tall ivy]

does being 9th circle make you immune to being struck by lightning or something

because im using a hella amped burstt lightning spell on my one friend who is also 9th circle and hes not even being hit by it

like

it doesn't even connect with him

[lofty girder]

iirc level 9 cuts damage by like 35x so if he has armor that might make the damage close enough to zero for minecraft to not count the hit

and also regular lightning bolt doesn't get boosted by the AT spell pwoer

since it's an entity doing damage and is this considered 'indirect'

[manic kelp]

so basically it gets reduced by a factor of 70

as the wealdguard would halve dmg from air

[tall ivy]

I used both red and regular and neither worked

[tall ivy]

Even tho I was wearing eternity and spell power runes it still didn’t do anything even when he took off the armor

red lightning + 5 amplify 3s with 2 air bangles and an additional 250% spell power

And 2 players being level 9 should cancel out the 35x, no?

So why is he still taking negative damage even without armor

Thats whats really getting me

[tall ivy]

The other thing was I have a throngle variant that is only lightning and that one hit him just fine

(With armor)

[tall ivy]

Ok so

solution found

Ars affinity takes air mage behind the shed and shoots it repeatedly because of the way that spell power/spell resistance works

[tall ivy]

but ty for all of this knowledge because this is the only reason I was able to figure this out at all

[manic kelp]

how much resistance points does it give you?

[tall ivy]

I believe its 300-400?

[manic kelp]

Only from affinity?

Or total with armor

[tall ivy]

Yeah

Just affinity

[manic kelp]

@forest gazelle maybe affinity bonuses are a bit busted?

[tall ivy]

The difference between affinity and no affinity was being oneshot frame one vs zero hit marker

[manic kelp]

Unless almost full immunity was intended

[tall ivy]

I think its just an issue with the way lightning damage is affected by air/spell power as a whole tbh

[tall ivy]

^

This doesn’t explain red lightning also not doing dmg tho

[tall ivy]

Im gonna go triple check this rn just in case im completely blind

[manic kelp]

I'd imagine red lightning tries to directly damage and as such is affected by the resistance

While lightning is indirect and may be circumenting

[tall ivy]

Oh I was wrong

Its 500 resistance points

[tall ivy]

Red lightning was also doing zero damage tho

Which still seems a bit odd

[covert axle]

Do we know when the update will be?

[lofty girder]

can you test this please?

when you level up there's now tribulations (can be disabled) that act as challenges / gates

they can be enabled / disabled and difficulty configured

also another thing to test is if the extra glyph slots from the crown work

[covert axle]

I'll try it in a few hours.

[lofty girder]

aight

[covert axle]

Do you want me to test if tribulations work?

[lofty girder]

yes, and if the crown works now

[covert axle]

Okay, I'm on it.

[covert axle]

Okay, the first problem I've noticed is that the mod doesn't work. Minecraft says it's invalid.

[calm burrow]

Now that's an issue

[covert axle]

Absolutely, it shouldn't be mine since the only mods installed are the ones that make Ars work. Just in case, I removed all the others to see if it was some strange incompatibility issue.

[lofty girder]

alright fixed the mod not loading issue

[lofty girder]

updated version is on cf

[covert axle]

The crown is an item, right? And it's called a crown, right? Because no matter how much I look, I can't find it.

Now let's talk about essences. You can only consume them when your hunger bar isn't full. I don't know if that was the intention or if you wanted it to work like a golden apple.

The tribulations seem pretty random in terms of the negative effects they give you. I've had blindness, poison, decay, weakness, etc.

They seem to work well to me, except that to get to level 2 of the circle, I didn't actually get any negative effects or anything. I just got struck by lightning that didn't do anything to me, even though I wasn't wearing any armor or anything.
I'll have to do more testing to see.

[lofty girder]

omnipotence crown
it's only available via /give
as for tribulations, they should only appear from level 3 onwards
the types are random, and the one with the negative effect only appears sometimes

[covert axle]

The tribulations and text appear until you reach circle 2, but they do nothing more than add a waiting time to level up.

It's when you want to reach circle 3 that they start giving you negative effects and becoming a real pain.

[lofty girder]

huh

well that's one thing to fix

thanks for testing it

👍

[covert axle]

The crown works strangely; I'll try to explain it clearly, but I'm not promising anything 🤣

The 10 slots don't work, and the stat bonus works and doesn't work at the same time.

If you start running with the crown, the FOV changes as if you had super speed. The problem is that you do get super speed, but only for a few moments, and then you instantly stop running and go back to walking as if you'd never pressed the run button.

When you die, you lose a life, but you gain invincibility for 5 seconds; you don't take any damage, then you return to normal.

The ability to reduce damage by 10% and the 9 extra lives seem to work perfectly.

If you want, I can send you a video of how it works.

[lofty girder]

hmm

alright

ill look into it

but it smells an aweful lot like a server/client desync

[lost eagle]

hey im new to the server and idk if this is the right place to put this but i got ars trinkets and am wondering how the whole core system works? i pretty much understand everything else except that

or is there like a wiki or something?

[lost eagle]

also i suspect that the inspect soul glyph doesnt work and it just tell you what you are no matter if you cast it on someone else

[tribal marten]

Trinkets probably needs some supporting docs in ars.wiki at least. If your modpack doesn't nerf it heavily, Trinkets can throw up some big numbers quickly.

[visual hazel]

Hello, this may be a bug as the methods for creating these two glyph images are duplicated

1.21.1 2.3.1

[lofty girder]

noted, thanks for feedback
ill make air sword consume a sword
probably skulk for sonic boom

[covert axle]

Is there some strange feature in the mod that causes mobs to multiply their life?

[lofty girder]

yes in recent updates mobs grow stronger with player levels

[covert axle]

Very fun....

[lofty girder]

:3

it can be disabled via config

im pretty sure

[covert axle]

I expected everything except a salmon with 100 HP 😂

[soft shuttle]

How would that work in a server

[lofty girder]

takes the average of the ten highest level players

if less than ten takes the average of online players

[soft shuttle]

I wish it could do the apotheosis like spawning where the mobs scale with who it spawns near, so one guy with no levels can’t scale the server down

Since I’m the only high level mage on the server

[lofty girder]

mm that's a good idea

ill look into implementing it for the next release

[soft shuttle]

Peak

Also is the scaling purely health, or does it add armor, damage, or anything else

[covert axle]

I don't know if the damage increases, but I take away very little of their life compared to before.

[lofty girder]

most of their "good" stats are raised

i think there's also a relative damage reduction%

[covert axle]

How do I disable it? Because after looking through the settings and trying to change everything, I can't find a way to do it. I thought that if I set the world difficulty level to 0.0 it would turn off, but it's still the same.

[lofty girder]

wait let me check the code rq

found the issue

ill publish a fix tomorrow

[covert axle]

Thank you very much, if you need more help testing new features I'd be happy to help.

[soft shuttle]

would be cool if they got other buffs, like occausional enchanters swords and bows. so they get scaled more than plain stats

[lofty girder]

yes

i did the flat attribute as a proof of concept
i still need to do the implementation of various abilities & modifiers

[solemn violet]

does anyone know what the eternity rune does?