Ars Elemental

[full agate]

probably PISS because of its sheer simplicity and thus applicability

my new cauldron farm is cool too but it lacks efficiency

and my new tree farm concept is cool but needs more work

[ashen wind]

i mean, cauldron farm with neo is kinda trivial because you can use pipes

a starby with fluid transport could handle it without turrets

[ashen wind]

to this day, i still don't know the reference my mind used for the magenta siren

but it must be the same that sparkled jacinthe

note: her battle theme is electroswing and is a must-listen

[opaque vine]

Agreed, her theme is a banger

[ashen wind]

trying to work on it, chestplate still to attempt transposing from the concept

unlikely to be final in any case, but somehow helps the process of making the model

[opaque vine]

fair
i must have went through 5 iterations of an animated model before the current one which STILL is up to change

[quick helm]

Interesting, I’ve always done models first

[ashen wind]

the concept arts are models, but take too much time to transpose to BB

and the cat's out of the box, so to avoid confusion in jei they shouldn't all use the medium sprite

better an ugly sprite that mistaking x for y

something went wrong with conditional recipes so they're tecnically in-game already even without the opt-in config

[slow zealot]

did you ever figure out if flashjacks spawn

[hallow sedge]

I've been looking at the source code ('cuz I do that) for Sirens. Do multiples really not affect loot speed?

[ashen wind]

each has their own channel goal to give progress to the shrine, so they should

but there is a little fallback just in case they wander too far, where the shrine will get a progress on a timer too

[ashen wind]

yeah i saw one the other day

mountain peaks, base archwood forest and flashing forest are its biomes

[ashen wind]

small tweak to these, even if wip they remain

at least i have an image always at hand

now the hard part are the light because i'm not too sure how to handle them without strafing too far

[slow zealot]

How have i never seen one jeez

[ashen wind]

same spawn rate as buncles, i guess?

eidolon and hexerei ravens are rare too in my experience

idk why birds are harder to finds

[slow zealot]

Definitely not

[ashen wind]

for other biomes it has a spawn weight of 7, unlike the 5 of starbies

35 spawn rate in flash forests

[ashen wind]

I have to tweak the saturation but as temporary art it might work.
Used the old cowls made by@barren osprey in arsenal as a base, so they were extremely low sat.
Trying to use a bit of Loaf's style too, since it might get closer to my idea for the model than Goo's. Still far from making sense, i'd say

[feral vine]

it's an interesting mix of effects, too. Trying for a hybrid of existing elements.

[opaque vine]

oooh looks epic

[smoky dagger]

Found an issue with making red sand with a manipulation infused turret: when using :conjure_terrain: the manipulation turret fails to process the smelt or anything after and performs them on the turret itself. There is a workaround (swap touch for projectile). however I figured it best to let people know in case it wasnt a known issue

[bright hatch]

{ "biome.ars_elemental.vexing_caves": "Vexing Caves" }

Adding this to assets/ars_elemental/lang/en_us.json will prevent the biome's name from showing up weird on minimaps, nature's compass, etc.

[opaque vine]

yea I think adding those to several damage tag glyphs (under scaling I believe?) will also help not getting weird death messages

[ashen wind]

which death msgs

if nobody say anything they ain't getting fixed

[bright hatch]

I'm not familiar with what mojo is talking about, if i come across it, ill come back and tell you though

[opaque vine]

not entirely certain where the issue lies
(your code requres a mapping from a site that gives me an error [which is sad bc I really wanted to learn from the greatest ars addon])
however killing someone with spike will always display the death message "death.attack.stalactite.item" (or some other form of that order)

phantom grasp is simular. displaying death.attack.magic.item

[ashen wind]

ah, the vanilla damage types

makes more sense

[opaque vine]

yea
poison spores do work

[dawn forum]

Life Link does not split the damage when I'm linked to an amethyst golem? But the healing still works

[ebon bramble]

i'm poking around JEI and confused about something. I'm seeing recipes for various Elemental sets of armor like Winterguard and Nereid when I look for recipe uses of mark of mastery, but when I search for them directly in JEI they don't show up. Why is that?

[opaque vine]

those are upcoming elemental armor sets they arent in game yet but the files are there

[ebon bramble]

Ahh ok thank you. Sneak preview then, they're looking cool

[ebon bramble]

I just learned of a spell mirror, but can find zero references to it on the discord. I understand what it does, but what I don't understand is... what is the use-case? My imagination is, thus far, unable to think of a reason to use one

Oh, i just realized i typoed "spell mirror" in my search like 3 times in a row and that's why there were no references. nevermind!

[ebon bramble]

ugh sorry, but my question persists. seems like the search results are talking about the enchanter's mirror, not spell mirrors

[opaque vine]

oh spell mirrors i think reflect spell projectiles off an axis

[ebon bramble]

Yeah, I get what they do, they reflect spells at an angle from incoming, I just can't imagine how to use them in an interesting way so I'm wodnering what others have found

Right now I'm using them decoratively

But more real of a question is... are there hidden benefits (benefits besides the set bonus in the tooltip) to the elemental armor sets? it appears that wearing 2 from a set gives an Amplify in that element, anything besides that?

[opaque vine]

Yep also discounts

[toxic surge]

hey! how can i defeat water rogue mage?

[feral vine]

Perfect for a bathroom build!

[opaque vine]

ooo

[ashen wind]

People play too little with prisms, but it's also a very niche use.
Iirc they were made since the advanced spell prism can't be moved by pistons in any way. I could be dumb and breaks if pistoned? A possibility

Take for example that you need to shoot a projectile around a corner

You can aim it diagonally and make it bounce on one or more mirrors

Is it used for any meta build? No afaik

[ebon bramble]

Do you have an example of a build that's used them?

[ashen wind]

Can it be used for mini games that more for show, kinda

[ebon bramble]

Just want to wrap my head around at least one usecase lol

Ohh minigames

I forgot about minigames

[ashen wind]

The whole spell prism thing is perfect for a maze-like

Or something where you need stuff to connect in a certain way

Like leading the beam of a redstone spell turret across, to reach a door

The facing up mirror kinda work also to keep Arc bouncing without losing too much momentum

[ebon bramble]

yeah that's awesome. My players are voting on what event to do next right now and it's looking like minigames is gonna be it, so this is perfect timing

[ashen wind]

Most of the prism lenses kinda fit into that niche too

Being able to aim the prism instead of break and replace, making the projectile suddenly arc down, adding more bounces, etc.

[feral vine]

Not used the lenses, but I have a perm'd prism setup that routes fluids around my base on the Ars Test server. And the mountain I took down used a single turret and an array of prisms, with voids to capture the spell before it could fly off and destroy random terrain.

[tranquil lintel]

Hey, as a heads up the Boots for the NetherGaurd set aka Pyromance set wont craft. The helmet, chestplate, and legs all crafted great though

[ebon bramble]

Do the Anima Bangles make your attacks occassionally cause wither? Something is causing wither and nothing I have on advertises that in the tooltip, but I think it might be my anima bangles

[opaque vine]

correct! you get a 🍪

[ebon bramble]

Followup: Why are there unlisted properties to the bangles?

[opaque vine]

uuh bad documentatino

[ashen wind]

"ars_elemental.page.anima_bangle": "This bangle will boost the damage of your Anima spells. You can feel a cycle of life and death in your arms, randomly healing or withering the enemies hit and giving you a small health boost.",

Seems pretty clear

[old hill]

I got a curious question. Sorry it's been asked before, but why no Modrinth for downloads? Did something happen?

[ebon bramble]

This is all the tooltip gives for me

Not trying to be a nuissance on this, just a little confused about why there's so much more the bangle does than is in the tooltip (heal/wither + boost anima spells)

[ashen wind]

Because there's documentation, you can't fit everything in tooltips

[stable sleet]

@ashen wind elemental has bosses now ? 👀

[opaque vine]

where is this lol

[stable sleet]

blood magic discord. they requested for compat between ToB and elemental

but I am not sure if that is actually elemental

[opaque vine]

that's literally him when he spreads misinformation

[fickle robin]

that looks like a feature request, just worded badly

or they asked chatGPT for info

idk

[lyric echo]

Could be talking about Ars Plus bosses

[ashen wind]

I think it's Ars Plus

The hint is that Shadow

I'll let Senate go ahead in terms of testing player response to bosses

[quick helm]

also references the flight thread so it's probably just a translation thing

[ashen wind]

People are struggling even against the water mages that FTB put in a stoneblock gateway

[quick helm]

yeah, I'm ngl maybe it's just me but I want my mod to be difficult / challenging so I kinda like when I get that kind of feedback. It's expected and intended

Not that I don't want to change things, just that bosses that aren't difficult are just pointless imo

[stable sleet]

are these threads restricted to certain thread levels or armor type ?

[quick helm]

iirc I made it a tier 5 thread. So Lightning, Hero Holy, Void, and I suppose one day ATAG are the only options for armor

[stable sleet]

ah I dont think I want to compete against that. atleast in the current state of mod. too much powercreep for my taste

[marsh arch]

Hey, do the other bangles besides the Anima one have effects not shown in the tooltip? Trying to look on the wiki, but the pages for the bangles just show an error. Curious in particular about the water bangle.

[ashen cargo]

Addon content on the wiki needs to be loaded from github which we only get to do 50 times an hour, sadly...
Your local worn notebook/tattered tome should work a lot better.

You can also open that with the book icon on the upper left of your spell creation view in the spellbook 🙂

[marsh arch]

Oh, the notebook completely skipped my mind. I'll have to look at it when I get in game. Thanks!

[opaque vine]

wait

i have a vid for that

but its already over so nm

[ebon bramble]

Is it possible to get flashjack tokens from shady wizard trades? I've gone through about 50 villagers trying to get it. Got Sirens about 7 times, so this is either extremely unlucky or flashjacks aren't available through shadies

I know flashjacks aren't fully implemented, but since they're available I want em 🙂

[ebon bramble]

I think I found in the code where it's setting up the shady wiziard trades. If I'm reading it right (very possible I'm not!) then shady wizar level 4 trades are anything with the magic_shards tag, and flashjacks are not included

[ashen wind]

The charm itself isn't crafted with the token at the moment anyway

If the natural spawns in archwood forest don't roll in your favour, the ritual of summon animal should eventually make a few

Then once tamed it's like the golem

Dispel or kill to drop the charm

[ebon bramble]

awesome, ty!

The documentation entry was so vague, "link to a turret if you're curious". That made me pretty determined to see what they do for myself, it definitely piqued my curiosity

[ashen wind]

Umh, maybe it's really too vague

Also because I think it can only be linked to the elemental and the adjustable ones

[ebon bramble]

Ohhh I tried with a regular turret so all I saw was glowing, figured it was very early WIP. Tried again just now with adjustable and it looks cool!

[ebon bramble]

Maybe only slightly too vague, "link to an adjustable turret if you're curious" seems the perfect amount of vague

idk, the vagueness made me want to play with it so it worked on me

[ashen wind]

I'd probably have to add "on the open at night" too

Because unless you have zombies walking on your door you won't have targets for your linked turrets

[ebon bramble]

I just double-checked and it says "in front of a horde"

Flashjack is cool, my first thought is TD minigames

[ashen wind]

the reason why it's tecnically wip is that the turrets will aim even if the projectile will likely fail to reach the mob

i'd have to do like a raycast, but projectiles can behave in different ways

[slow zealot]

hit it until it dies

[ebon bramble]

Oh right I just remembered... I meant to report that I accidentally was able to craft pyromaniac armor, despite it not appearing in JEI. Took me a few weeks to realize it wasn't pyromancer. Not sure how I managed it, just realized weeks after that it was pyromaniac and not pyromancer. Mabe the recipe is enabled and it's just hidden in JEI? But in case it is a bug I wanted to report it

[ashen wind]

I think you're on an old version

[ebon bramble]

Ah yes, I am. Lots of releases last month!

[slow zealot]

Alright so would it be possible to get:
configs to reduce or remove the mana gain from elemental armor
Configs to remove/reduce chance of secondary effects on the bangles

[frosty ether]

Has anyone else experienced weirdness with the slipstream elevator? It wasn't really letting me sink when I shifted down.

[upper basin]

Who thought it was funny to have flashpine trigger lighting when eaten?

And to actually do so inside 😢

[ashen wind]

Same who made the explosive fruit

[upper basin]

Killed me inside my home and immediatly burned everything.

[ashen wind]

which is way worse

[opaque vine]

Well you really shouldnt be eating every fruit you come across

[upper basin]

I wouldn't mind if I died, but burning the ground at the same time is rough

[bright hatch]

You read its description and ate it anyway?

[feral vine]

ah, I remember my first Arcane Isle play through. Choice of starving or eating the funny red fruit. Solved the hunger problem.

(and no, I wasn't at the point I had water to stand in, yet)

[opaque vine]

Nono
It's the crucible on which starbies make their gold sacrifices

[ashen wind]

Ah, damn

[wary rose]

Hello everyone! I need some help :') Ars Elemental causes my mc to get stuck in a red screen and eventually i had no choice but to close the game. My current version is 1.21.1 NEOFORGE using BMC5 in ATLauncher + Ars Nouveau + Ars Additions! Thank you :')

Link: https://mclo.gs/5pb8YlG

[ashen wind]

Which version of neoforge is it? The bus errors should be a thing of the past now

I'd advise to use at least neoforge 200

[wary rose]

if im reading it right, mclo says its NeoForge version: 21.1.176

[ashen wind]

Upgrading neo should fix

I'll probably have to declare it in the meta, few mods already declare needing 200 at the very least

Some even require 210 or more

[wary rose]

alrite lemme try!

OH MYYY, GOING TO NEOFORGE 200 WORKED! Thank you so much! I've been trying for a few hours and got nowhere aaaaaaaaa

[daring pebble]

been messing around in creative and the contingency glyphs are so cool

[ashen wind]

Unsure why people don't get them at all

Didn't seem complex to me, maybe it's how the desc is worded?

[daring pebble]

it's so cool

is there one for damaging enemies?

if so i could pre-cast a debuff spell

to setup my nasty spells

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-gif-502627409480164820

[frosty ether]

I get them, I’m just bad at spell crafting.

[ashen wind]

Umh, did I forgot or include one for fire?

You could technically use that no?

[daring pebble]

hmm true

ill take a look at it whenever my instance unfreezes

[ashen wind]

Damage is restricted to the health percentage one because it's a bit less exploitable and for self stuff there's already the reactive enchant

[daring pebble]

this reminded me as to why i should ban all subforms from aura (burst / linger & co)

[ashen wind]

Did you already see

Or the glyphs from Additions like retaliate

[daring pebble]

yes i used it on .20 a while ago

i think it was on the old community server

[vestal shale]

water spell school It feels weak, not even at level 3 glyphs have any plans to add new level 3 glyphs water spell school glyphs?

[ashen wind]

If there was a good idea that is not just cold snap but stronger...

I made spike hybrid also because of that lack of glyph

[vestal shale]

How about the upgraded version of cold snap? Wrap your opponent thoroughly with ice cubes to prevent them from moving or using the items in their hands for a period of time. After that, you can break the ice cubes to cause even greater damage

[timid spire]

What’s the point of using any other full Netherite upgraded elemental armor set besides Battlemage? Each was balanced for gold to have more threads, while diamond and iron gave less but had more def.

By the time you get to Tier 4 Elemental Armor, it looks like it has the same amount of threads as every other one but 2 get spell debuffs and one gets a buff. I can’t tell if I’m missing something here

[ashen wind]

Technically, the thread rebalance is locked behind a config because it needs more playtest on balancing

Sorcerer one gets a lot of elemental spellpower

The set bonuses also have yet to be changed based on the armor type

[timid spire]

Ah thank you I DID miss that

I was really just wondering what the difference is

[ashen wind]

to be exact on the current stat:
light armor have a +2 ESP per piece, with little ESR and negative ESR
medium armor have a +1 ESP per piece, with some ESR and little negative ESR
heavy armor have +0.5 ESP per piece, with positive ESR for two elements

Looking again at ESR values they seem all over the place, i must have messed up something while changing the formula

[daring pebble]

esp?

what's that?

[ashen wind]

Elemental Spell Power

Spell Power, but just for that element

tecnically that's the name of the one stat that works for all 4 elements, the right name would be School Spell Power

They're attributes in Sauce

[daring pebble]

hmm is it percent based or flat ?

cute hwi

[ashen wind]

should be flat

[daring pebble]

allr

[ashen wind]

while ESR is an exponential decay formula.

[daring pebble]

interesting

pepehmm

i should add AE to my dev instance to see how it interacts with the leveling system im making

can't have things be TOO strong

maybe try to exclude them from the damage boosting?

[ashen wind]

so something like -100 ESR is a 2x damage taken and +200 ESR is a 0.5x damage taken

[daring pebble]

ohh ic ic

that's good

[ashen wind]

but apparently values are doubled in the current build so...yeah

[daring pebble]

cry1

[ashen wind]

heavy armor has a fuckton of resistance and light armor is more glass cannon than it should

[daring pebble]

anything for more damage

FrogDrink

[ashen wind]

In case you missed it, Sauce is the library shipped in my addons, has some of the common parts and some new attributes

like, the base for the custom MobEffectInstances...or the core code of enthrall...or the liquid source

[daring pebble]

interesting

is there a way to download it as a library instead of adding AE as a dep?

FrogDrink

[ashen wind]

via maven currently, it's Jar-in-Jar-ed

[daring pebble]

ic ic

[ashen wind]

you can copy over the snippet from elemental build.gradle i guess

[daring pebble]

alright ty

[ashen wind]

it's specifically for JiJ it but should be easily swappable to a simple implementation

https://github.com/Alexthw46/SauceLib

ah right, i simply added the snippet to the readme

[daring pebble]

aight ty

question since its jij will it cause issues if our two mods have different versions?

[ashen wind]

check the registry for the attributes, it might be what catches your attention

[daring pebble]

or will the two jars keep it separate

[ashen wind]

it should load the latest, as long as the ranges specified allow it

[daring pebble]

aight

ill look around in it

but i did want to make some sort of more specific class system that allows you to increase efficiency of some schools

since rn AT's leveling system is really bare-bone

maybe sub classes ?

with custom glyph interractions?

we'll see

[ashen wind]

i think it should allow to avoid strong dependency from elemental like you had in the past?

[daring pebble]

yes

[ashen wind]

i don't even remember why exactly you had it

[daring pebble]

i had AE as a dep in the past but i think i removed it at one point

[daring pebble]

it was for the items

i think

looking back at the .20 branch is painful

98_Despair

[ashen wind]

interfaces like the ifocus or ischool are in the lib for example

[daring pebble]

ah that's good

[ashen wind]

note, i think the spell crit system does need explict enable via the bool inside the main mod class

that one is tecnically a percentage increase of spell damage

[daring pebble]

alex could i mayhaps add attributes to increase the damage of the school by a percentage after the spell power & school spell power have been applied?

it'd be quite neat for my project as i have an idea

pepehmm

[rough whale]

I love the new armor types in the latest AE! What are school spell powers used for so far? Just asking out of interest/inspiration but also for balancing things in Ars Zero

[ashen wind]

It's a flat increase to glyphs of that school

Still need to get around doing the models >.>

I've managed to get a concept art closer to my draws and more in mc style but obviously it's not something usable, I've done the the 2d sprites cause otherwise it would be impossible to distinguish

[vestal shale]

Can players allow creatures immune to suffocation damage to also be subject to suffocation damage when wearing water cores? Just like when wearing a fire core, can creatures immune to flames also be harmed by the flames

@ashen wind

[rough whale]

Does Earth Power increase your 'Break' power? I don't really see it in code in EffectBreak but it seems to be that I can use break without any Amplify and mine obsidian with it

[fickle robin]

yeah, Break is an earth glyph and gets the benefit of the amp from the earth focus

[ashen wind]

The Sauce stat?

Nope

It's damage

The armors do increase amplification though and work on break

[fickle robin]

oh, I thought it was the focus doing that amp

[ashen wind]

If you want to add a perk for affinity, you should do a specific one that work in a similar manner

Adding amplifier modifier if the effect is break

There should be an event for that, something named modifiers

[rough whale]

What do you mean by that? Earth armors add amplification in general?

[ashen wind]

Elemental and Elemancy ones give amps to glyphs of their element

Like 0.5 per piece

[strong hedge]

Where can I find Sirens? Ive been looking through so many warm oceans but cant seem to find any

[frosty ether]

They're unfortunately a bit rare. Shady wizards can sell their tokens though once leveled up.

[strong hedge]

Shady Wizards sound like the way to go

[frosty ether]

Shady wizards are just nice in general to have a bunch of.

[ashen wind]

Their spawn mechanic is more similar to fishes, so they might spawn after a bit or anyways their spawn pool can be rerolled

It's not like a cow or a starbuncle that spawn immediately and you will still find them if you unload the chunk

Unless they're tamed, they despawn/respawn

Also, if you're in an archwood forest they're usually found in the underground water zones too

[strong hedge]

Yeah to make sure I was going through the warm ocean with the boat, waiting for some time

Like 10 mins

[ashen wind]

Make sure to use the dowsing rod or magic sense since the sea is big

[strong hedge]

Yeahh will do that next

[ashen wind]

Oh and obv the Lukewarm is not a warm ocean

Pretty common mishap

[strong hedge]

Yes I figured

[shell cove]

Does the flash Jack have a familiar form?

If not can I suggest it being a discount to spells

Along with being able to hang on to it as a paraglider

[shell cove]

can you bring back the imbuement chamber recipe for mark of mastery?

[latent sequoia]

[opaque vine]

Lmao

[opaque vine]

We have that

[stark quiver]

is this for suggestions since if so then i think the homing form should be able to have the speed boost used on it aswell as aoe for larger tracking range

[ashen cargo]

already works with though afaik?

[ashen wind]

The acceleration might not be taken into account once the target is acquired

The actual behavior of homing is defined in base Ars though

The glyphs are still in the add-ons just because whatever was meant to "replace" the form to fire them is not yet implemented in the base mod

[ebon bramble]

How do you get the slipstream elevator to give you levitation? I can't seem to figure it out, only slowfall when crouching.

[ashen wind]

Keep in mind that levitation is probably considered a negative effect due to shulkers

so if you have something that nullifies those, it's likely blocking it too

if you're on it and it's consuming source then it's def trying to do something but can't

[ebon bramble]

Hmm i didn't think I had anything to block status effects but ill double check, and i'll go try in a fresh creative world too

[lavish coral]

Yeah. The atm gear. I took off my gear and those levitate blocks worked

Which is frustrating I guess

[ebon bramble]

Ahh i see, thanks for figuring that out

[vestal shale]

Will a production method be added to nullify

Could the charm be further enhanced? Let the charm be able to forcibly modify the owner of the target creature

[ashen cargo]

As in, a recipe?
There is one if you enable it.
The glyph is just disabled by default as is it's default recipe.
Recipe toggle is in Ars Elemental common config (I think) and glyph enablement in the nullify config

[vestal shale]

ic

thx

Could the charm be further enhanced? Let the charm be able to forcibly modify the owner of the target creature

[tribal jasper]

I decided to try my hand at making textures for essence blocks and I wanted reference to school icons that appear in spellbook... I can't for the life of me find icon for the school of Anima though...
In basic ars they separated school icons into a separate folder, but I can't find such folder in Elementals, yet in-game I can see such texture existing...
Where is it located?

[ashen wind]

moved to sauce, most likely

it's included inside elemental so you see it in game

[tribal jasper]

I looked through entire texture folder and can't find it... ;_;

[ashen wind]

https://github.com/Alexthw46/SauceLib/tree/1.21/src/main/resources/assets/ars_nouveau/textures/gui

[tribal jasper]

Okay I found it... though it's a bit odd for me that this icon is specifically in the library and not alongside the rest of the Elemental textures

[ashen wind]

well the school itself is actually in base ars nouveau

stuff tied to it have been moved to the library so other devs can use it, but since it's not really official is not completely in the base mod

[tribal jasper]

Hmm... so stuff related to Anima are partially in the base mod... just not necessarily marked as official/base magic school?

[ashen wind]

the definition of the "necromancy" school is in the base mod as incidental leftover

and the anima school was built on it so it can't be removed without breaking stuff

but for others to use it without elemental, before sauce, it would have meant a very likely clash with elemental

[tribal jasper]

Hmm... I see...

welp that explains that then

anyway... I'm beginning my work on the essence blocks... doubt they will be any good but hey! I can at least give it a shot! 😄

[opaque vine]

that could lead to toxic events
like imagine all of your dogs suddenly became mine overnight
or your iaf dragon

[lavish coral]

To be fair, the dogs could be slaughtered rather as easily as mind controlled, no?

[opaque vine]

not killed aurellia
stolen

[lavish coral]

I don't see a difference. They are gone lol

[opaque vine]

But dragons as well

Anything that can have an owner

[vestal shale]

However, there is such a scene: the dragon eggs I painstakingly obtained were stolen by others, and the hatched dragon recognized the thief as its master. Moreover, the thief showed off in front of me. So this is the only way I can think of to take revenge

[opaque vine]

checks out

[vestal shale]

This seems like a weapon. I can choose not to use it, but I can't do without it. After all, I can't guarantee that there won't be any thieves around

Is this why I want this feature

[opaque vine]

you might be able to choose
but what about everyone else who uses this addon?

[vestal shale]

They can also choose. What's the difference?

[opaque vine]

its in how they will choose
some for good

others for untold toxic trolling

[vestal shale]

If someone chooses to be a thief, you can also snatch it back

[rain hornet]

Life link in a nutshell:

-# truly a quote for the ages

[heavy sleet]

Noticing an issue with elemental 0.7.8.0

This started popping up after updating

[ashen wind]

Ah, 'll check

Unsure what could be the cause

I didn't really touch that

[heavy sleet]

wonder how broken it'd be to turn that on with infinite spells enabled >.>

30 glyphs, plus that. rofl

[ashen wind]

well not much more than the usual gatling

just scale that up in terms of aoe or multiple harm->ifr instances

[ashen wind]

ok found, that's a pretty old issue actually

[fickle kettle]

i'm guessing that since they're not fully implemented, there's no customization for flashjacks yet?

[ashen wind]

customization?

[fickle kettle]

like how you can dye wixies or starbies a different color

[ashen wind]

currently only red for the flapjack

didn't really find good color matches at the time

but at least the original reference had to make it

[fickle kettle]

...ah, i was thinking it had no colors because wololo doesn't seem to work on familiars

[rough whale]

Ooo is there any pics/videos of the geysers somewhere? That sounds really cool

[ashen wind]

in #1470454442498195669

very simple visual to be honest but they do what they're meant to

[rough whale]

Ahh the vertical one is nice!!

[ashen wind]

bees hitting hard with the summoning stats from affinity and equips

[ashen wind]

it would be solved, but file is stuck in review

[tribal jasper]

A silly idea:
A form/propagator that turns remaining spell into a Bee summon. When that bee stings - it casts spell but also dies immediately.

You could have a matrioszka bee spell if you want 😛

[full agate]

seems like our minions have the same issue as some terraria minions: iframes

terraria has 3 types of iframes: global (per enemy), static (per minion type), and local (per minion) but we're stuck with global for minecraft

[ashen wind]

Meh, you can use contingency death on the summon for that

With the glyphs after the summon glyph are propagated on the spawned summon

[heavy sleet]

loading it now, thanks 😄

Oh wait lol, that was ars technica that updated, not this. Guess I'll die then 😄

[ashen wind]

Idk why

16 hours in review

[heavy sleet]

it's valentines day

dunno, no rush

[heavy sleet]

Alex, you think you'd consider adding your bee summons to this tag by default? https://github.com/TelepathicGrunt/Bumblezone/blob/1.21-Arch/common/src/main/resources/data/the_bumblezone/tags/entity_type/hive_lifeline/takes_player_damage.json

It would allow them to interact with this enchant from bumblezone

[ashen wind]

already talked with TGrunt

[heavy sleet]

rofl

[ashen wind]

seems the tag is only used by them so it shouldn't have weirder interaction than the bee shield

[heavy sleet]

yeah, should be pretty safe as it's in their namespace

[ashen wind]

it's a c tag

common

[heavy sleet]

oh, oops, misread

still

can't see it causing a huge issue elsewhere

[ashen wind]

the only other usage i found is in occultism

so it's fine

i have to update few entity tags anyway

[heavy sleet]

oh, wait yeah there's "#the_bumblezone:bees" and the common tag

or just straight into #the_bumblezone:hive_lifeline/takes_player_damage

[ashen wind]

I reuploaded for the tags and this time it got approved quickly

[heavy sleet]

7.8.2, ya?

Seems the error is still present

[ashen wind]

Should at least be different...

[heavy sleet]

a bit, yeah [14Feb2026 13:07:42.172] [Render thread/ERROR] [KubeJS Server/]: Skipping recipe ars_elemental:glyph_nullify_defense, error parsing conditions: Unknown registry key in ResourceKey[minecraft:root / neoforge:condition_codecs]: ars_elemental:ae_config

[ashen wind]

I'll have to double check, I broke it when I tried to move it in source and then back in

Maybe the right key is actually sauce:ae_config now

[heavy sleet]

As an aside, water jet? very fun. love it

[pale juniper]

Ah, I'm not the only person experiencing kubejs complaining about the nullify glyph?

I shouldn't be too concerned about that error right?

[ashen wind]

try .3

[heavy sleet]

loading

looks good, no more error

❤️

Thanks!

[pale juniper]

ill try updating too lol

yeah, can confirm, no errors.

[tribal jasper]

I just thought of something funny...
Assuming Essence blocks make into the base mod and thus an Anima Essence blocks would be added for consistency...
Wouldn't it be funny if you could summon... A harder, Bedrock inspired Wither when using Anima Essence Blocks instead of Soulsand when building a Wither? :3

As a treat

[ebon bramble]

That'd be pretty cool

[vestal shale]

It seems that oxidize is not working properly?

I used it on creatures with armor, but the armor didn't seem to have decreased

[ashen wind]

Armor toughness

The initial version only reduces that, not armor points

[ashen wind]

To put it more explicit in what it means, the target need to have at least a diamond level armor

Armor points are less valuable than what people might think when there's high damage involved

[vestal shale]

But I equip the villagers with netherite chestplates and then attack them with netherite swords, it makes no difference

[ashen wind]

Odd, maybe with the potion at level one the damage diff is too low

As I said in the announcement, it's likely gonna be adjusted based on playtest

[ashen wind]

ok yeah on paper it seemed better but as i nerfed the values before release i made it too weak

swapping to armor points

also noticing that the magefire armor partial bypass was not working

[vestal shale]

Has there been any consideration of enabling slime to be amplified? Increase the size of the summoned slime

[ashen wind]

Not via amplify

armor and focus already boost that, affect size and damage

[vestal shale]

ic

BUG report: The slime summoned when wearing fire focus has no eyes

[ashen wind]

yeah i did notice yesterday, the magma cube texture can't be used directly apparently

[vestal shale]

In addition, slime's logic for identifying enemies seems to have issues as well

There is another issue. When wearing necrotic foces, the strength of the slime summoned is not as strong as that when wearing summon focus. The latter grants slime level 3 power while the former only gives it level 2. As a more advanced focus, I feel this is abnormal

[ashen wind]

it's not a direct upgrade

makes sense to have a bit less strenght when there are secondary effect at play

[vestal shale]

ic

[vestal shale]

The summoned magma cube cannot walk on the lava and will be burned to death by it

[ashen wind]

i was fixing fire immunity but i don't think the normal one "walk" on it?

aren't those only the striders

[vestal shale]

lol

Jump on

[ashen wind]

there's a small check that allow jumping

[vestal shale]

Have you considered making a separate variant of slime summoned through necrotic focus?

[vestal shale]

Is it a BUG that the Water focus cannot prevent the boss from healing itself after losing the target?

[pale juniper]

Does swapping to Armour Points instead of Toughness mean anything for users of Apotheosis? I believe Apoth changes the defense mechanics so that Toughness scales how effective armour bypassing is.

[hazy zealot]

what the best way to use geyser offensively

[ashen wind]

it's not a damage glyph, it can kinda be used for CC

[opaque vine]

best way?
trolling

[ashen cargo]

You have to tell people how to do the trolling, too.

[opaque vine]

thats the real troll

[lone sundial]

geyser and wind shear id assume

then grav maybe?

[wide flint]

Geyser can be applied to any surface, so i expect it would be handy for pushing things off of narrow paths. Lasting source of knockback that doesn't need to go up or directly away from you.

Any reason cavitate default amp scaling is so low? Even combining it with bubble (since elemental gear amps will apply to both) you only get +3 together.

I expected it to be stronger given that setting up bubble is more restrictive than ignite/poison/chilled, which can all be done with threads

[ashen wind]

Ah damn, I pasted from water jet as a base but forgot to increase the amp back.

The base damage was not that high since bubble should give a big damage boost unlike the dots that are just cheap damage on top

But amp being 1 was not intended

[wide flint]

I get the logic, but it's worth considering a small increase to base since all the other spells can take advantage of bubble as well

Like cold snap would also work with water element gearing

[vestal shale]

Agreed. Compared to other spells, bubble is relatively weak. It can't even add the "wetting" effect to the target but can only add this effect to the surrounding targets

[wide flint]

I don't think bubble is weak, really. Adding a chunk of damage to any source is powerful mechanically. It can just be a little finicky and restrictive to apply, which makes cavitate a bit finicky for its current power level

[heavy sleet]

Back with another weird orientation issue 😄

I have this turret shooting up

But it's making a vertical wall, instead of the expected horizontal wall

hrm, actually that's happening with even a normal turret. maybe more generalized than Ars Elemental

[ashen wind]

Is it tied to missile?

[heavy sleet]

maybe, was just trying to rework things here to use projectile

yeah, projectile works fine. It is hitting the bottom of a block though

[fickle robin]

I've had troubles getting the manipulation turret to work in general

[ashen wind]

Recently?

[fickle robin]

yeah, on the test server

[ashen wind]

I had fixed a bug some time ago

It was taking a rotation thing wrong

[fickle robin]

couldn't make it shoot where I wanted

which was just in a cardinal direction

[ashen wind]

While testing for the flashjack it seemed kinda fine

[fickle robin]

I'd have to play with it again, but honestly I don't like it being the new adjustable turret. I just want it to face me when I place it lol

I ended up just removing them all from my machines

[ashen wind]

Wasn't that fixed as well?

[fickle robin]

oh, I remember the issue- it was pointing the spell in the wrong direction. I was trying to have it conjure terrain in a line, and it was trying to make the line go backwards. Replaced it with a normal turret

didn't need the manipulate turret at all for that really, but it got weird when I tried

but honestly it hasn't done what I want it to since some changes in 1.20 so I've mostly avoided using it

I ran into some issue trying to have it do a spell on the test server and had to swap that out for a normal turret shooting

[lone sundial]

aleeeeeex

is there a way you could make it so when using the corresponding armor/ focus, rogue mages are friendly

i think thatd be really cool

[ashen wind]

It has always been like that

Focus only

[lone sundial]

oh

i made the armor assuming that was how it worked, but not the focus lol

f

[ashen wind]

The mages existed before the armor kinda

[lone sundial]

oh?

[ashen wind]

Iirc they were in few 1.18.1 alphas

They were too chaotic

[lone sundial]

i have to ask jarva next to make it so the atag armor counts as all types, master wizard should be revered

[ashen wind]

At the time the armor was still in arsenal

[lone sundial]

arsenal eludes me tbh

[sterile flame]

Was there any reason that Mages didn't get fully implemented? Asking for moddev purposes/caution when looking at them for an example. Afaik they can only be spawned via the Debug focus.

[opaque vine]

I believe alex had difficulties in the past getting them to implement spells well
though he might revisit it

[full agate]

its probably also going to be a problem where having them spawn randomly in the world and kill you would be unfun for new players

similar to wilden

which is why theyve been moved to dens only

[sterile flame]

I see. I'm looking at them for reference on how to get an entity to cast spells.

[lone sundial]

??????????????

whu

im getting them spawning in elemental forests

[ashen wind]

Which were added like 2 years later

And are pretty rare from my testing

[ashen wind]

We can track down to three points:

• Too strong for early game, having their focus make them friendly but still risk to be annoying. Their first release had a lot of them spawn and causing havoc. Main one I remember were air mages casting lightning against zombies.

• Too dumb for late-end game bosses, it's a problem rooted in Minecraft. Pathfinding and strategizing in a dynamic 3d environment is not simple. If they get trapped somewhere they're harmless, they can't dodge like a player can leap, so they should remain somewhere mid-late game.

• Lack of purpose, do they exists just for the sake of it? Rn yes, at most they showcase few spells against players and work as demo for the elemental weakness stats.

To solve these I wanted to give them a structure to be in, to defend. Maybe a drop that would be tied into progression

But I'm terrible with building and Ars has so little progression on its own that unsure where the extra step would place, aside maybe as replacement for the wilden tribute in mark of mastery creation.

[lone sundial]

Hmm

I mean, the only structure I can think of that could use that is the arcane library

[ashen wind]

That's in Additions and is already overrun by Wilden

[lone sundial]

Yeeeee ik, just thinking of possibilities

[ashen wind]

Plus, it's a ruined place and not thematic for a specific element

[lone sundial]

Its just, as it is currently it is free

Wilden are really weak and the loot from library is crazy

[fickle kettle]

ruined library overrun by wilden implies pristine library overrun by mages

[stark condor]

Pretty sure that's just called an SMP

[ashen wind]

Just saying, we're gonna need 4 dedicated big structures

Recycling the library won't do it

Also because the environment can be important to give a strategic edge to the mages vs a smart player

[opaque vine]

But what if
Actual supermassive mage tower

[ashen wind]

Do it and we'll see

I build boxes

[opaque vine]

Bet

[lone sundial]

maybe in the End?

floating somewhere in the void, massive tower torn from reality

there could be a crater-esque structure that spawns with a compass leading there

[opaque vine]

Though these are for the mage enemies

[lone sundial]

like, crater in overworld, gives a compass to find beeg tower in the end

[opaque vine]

Perhaps
Though it also depends for what purpose mages will have

[lone sundial]

i dont understand what you mean by purpose

they evil

maybe corrupted by void

[opaque vine]

Yea but what will they give when killed
What reason do they have for existance?

[lone sundial]

i mean they dont need loot per se

if the reward is in the tower loot itself

thats what we have to figure out first

[opaque vine]

Tru that

[ashen wind]

I'd like the structures to be exclusive of the elemental forests

[opaque vine]

Y'know what would be cool?
A series of buffing totems powered by different essences
And some of their key components are in these towers

[opaque vine]

Gotcha

[quick helm]

interesting you say that…

[lone sundial]

Huh

Do I have to attack again

[vestal shale]

alex, do you have any plans to release more content related to Sculk? For example, generating Sculk through rituals

[lone sundial]

Tie it to anima things

[lone sundial]

WHU

WHAT IS THAY

[ashen wind]

If you want strong enemy mages, Senate's Ars Plus have them

Literally bosses

Will have to try face them before I go back on mine

Power level is different obv

[quick helm]

Structure for the final boss in Ars Plus. I just bring it up since it’s pretty much what you’re talking about.

[lone sundial]

Is... it in 121.1

[quick helm]

Nah, I’ve been too busy irl to update. After April I should be able to get back into it though

[lone sundial]

I want that blueprint so bad

[outer crescent]

hey quick question uhhhhhh does necromancy focus not reduce nullify defense even tho it says its school is anima

and also what does the bangles not using sauce attributes actually do (Im still very much new to all this stuff)

[opaque vine]

nullify defense is special

[outer crescent]

Kinda figured

[ashen wind]

ND is not damage

There's nothing to reduce

The bangle thing is technicality, means that now the tooltip will show +2 [school] spell power

[outer crescent]

Ahhh ty

Also a balance question—Im not gonna pretend like I know what Im talking about with this, but

The anima bangle—the heal/wither part

What are your thoughts on making it so that it only applies wither to live mobs and only applies heal to undead?

cause rn it feels like a nerf in pvp cause of the randomness

Again, idk how easy that would be or if its actually a dumbass idea I just wanted to run that by another person 😭

[ashen wind]

It's 50% chance to heal just 1 damage to both, the only use case where it's gonna really matter is if you're already dealing too little or you are using a rage glove abuse spell

[vestal shale]

alex, what are the update plans for Elemental in the future? Will there be any major updates to Anima?

[ashen wind]

nothing in the plans for anima at the moment, it was moved to the library mod also because Jarva wanted to expand on it with subschools

right now the only thing similar to a roadmap for elemental is the road to 1.0 that is basically having the mages, their structures and the armor restyle fully deployed and working

[vestal shale]

Understood

[outer crescent]

Ahhhhh ok, ig most of my spells being multi-hit nullify defense was making it look WAAAAAAAAAY off

[lone sundial]

is rust from elemental, cant remember

cause i was using it just now and the rust effect doesnt scale with augment sadly

[lone sundial]

idea, beeg archwood tree that combines the different colours, has whirlisprigs spawn next to it n stuff

has all the fruits, could be hollow or something

rare one

[ashen wind]

Meh, spin that to ArchwoodGood

They want to add more trees so it would be cleaner to keep that into that one addon

[lone sundial]

never heard of em

[ashen wind]

It's simply another thread in addonchat

[lone sundial]

yea i assumed i just meant i never saw that addon mentionned

[ashen wind]

Still unreleased

[lone sundial]

ah. i see

[outer crescent]

this feels like a dumb question but is there a spot in the config where I would be able to look at some of the raw numbers of the glyphs and armors in this mod

for instance, how much a level of rust would reduce

or how much damage a point of spell power would buff a given spell by

[ashen wind]

Spell power is just a flat increase

Rust is -15% armor points per level

Base value of the glyphs are in their own configs

[outer crescent]

so plus 3 is literally one and a half hearts

[lone sundial]

per level?

rust didnt show me a level

[ashen wind]

It's a potion effect

[lone sundial]

just that enemy had rust

[livid flint]

Im trying to craft the Nereids armor set, but I keep ending up with the aquamancer set?

nevermind... im dumb

[shell cove]

is there any way whatsoever

to apply sliding onto boats

[opaque vine]

I can hear the free bird from here

[ashen wind]

nope, i need a marker on the entity to be able to edit its friction

and the potion effects are only supported by living entities

[opaque vine]

We need to be able to ride s

[shell cove]

hmm

wait that'd be hilarious

just make an ice block and make it have ice boat mechanics

then that summon block thing would be even more useful than as a blood sacrifice spell

literally the best source of evilcraft blood i can find in a short notice lol

[rough whale]

What was the healing announcement about?

[ashen wind]

a 1.5x on the healing received for everyone

instead of being applied only to those wearing earth focus

there was an OR that somehow slipped ther

[shell cove]

i see

[vestal shale]

It seems that water foces cannot correctly prevent the enemy from restoring health points. For example, when the boss loses the target, it still restores health points

[ashen wind]

Is the Frozen status applied?

[vestal shale]

yes

[ashen wind]

Also doesn't work on mobs like the chimera that don't use the heal event

[vestal shale]

This boss is still restoring its health points

[ashen wind]

Well I can't really tell if Frozen gets applied or not

[vestal shale]

is this a BUG？

[ashen wind]

If the mob is immune to potion effects no

[vestal shale]

This creature did indeed have an effect

[ashen wind]

But not Frozen

Could be because it's into lava so the frozen effect can't trigger

Try putting a freeze before beam?

It's constantly applied that way, no?

[vestal shale]

I tried to freeze it even without lava. I think alex might need to give it a try himself

I can't succeed 😭 anyway

[ashen wind]

Never tried to fight EC mobs afterall

[vestal shale]

It seems that the ability of water focus to prevent life recovery needs to be implemented in a different way? Prohibit all treatments on the code

[ashen wind]

Ignis is tagged as freeze_immune

[vestal shale]

😮‍💨 that is to say we can't freeze these bosses

[ashen wind]

it's the damn fire boss

i wouldn't argue that's not a legit immunity

[vestal shale]

I hate these bosses with abnormal immune states

[ashen wind]

you should be still be able to hex and life link it to reduce its constant healing

[vestal shale]

Can the effective conditions of water foce be modified? It is hoped that the health restoration of these bosses can be prohibited

[vestal shale]

how to do？

[ashen wind]

No, it's an explicit check on if the entity can be frozen because other devs must have the option to say "this one is immune to this kind of effects"

[vestal shale]

ic

[vestal shale]

alex, are there any update plans for ars elemental recently?

[ashen wind]

https://tenor.com/view/asteroid-earth-destruction-explosion-armageddon-gif-26592167

[feral vine]

You summoned that asteroid, didn't you?

[frosty ether]

Would it be possible to add a deepslate randomization tag, even if it’s empty?

[opaque vine]

Oh hey cauterize is actually a cool idea
Reverse mna rend

[strong elm]

i wish the elemental focuses had more interesting effects

[opaque vine]

how so?

[vestal shale]

It seems that cauterize's conditions are too strict. If the player has Fire Resistance, it won't take effect either

[ashen wind]

well yeah, you can't cauterize a wound with fire if you're completely fire immune

[vestal shale]

Personally, I don 't think this shouldn't even come into effect conditionally. It should be an upgraded version of dispel, after all, this is a level 3 magic

[ashen wind]

as if people aren't gonna abuse it for turtle master

[vestal shale]

At least, I personally suggest making some modifications

[opaque vine]

if ars additions exists the fireward charm would heavily interfere with the spell

also irons fireward ring
and the thread of immolation hypothetically

[ashen wind]

immolation doesn't negate fire damage

it simply boosts damage if you cast while on fire

[opaque vine]

depends on how the dmg is applied i suppose

what if, instead of fire dmg you make it hell/magefire dmg (magic)? looking at the glyph from a modpack viewpoint there are just to many ways to be fire immune

[ashen wind]

against simple fire resistance, the fire focus would do the conversion

[opaque vine]

Even against yourself?

[ashen wind]

Ah sorry it was mage fire that does that conversion

Fire focus work on the fire immunity of the mob, I kinda expect some mods to just cancel the damage though

What I was thinking was hellfire, it should do the swap for fire resistance

What I was thinking was hellfire, it should do the swap for fire resistance

[opaque vine]

same actually

[lone sundial]

I think it would be cool to have a glyph that negates dodging, be it endermen or shulkers teleporting and such or players having dodge chance

I think itd be a neat lil thing

[ebon bramble]

That would be a cool glyph. I remember Iridiumbuncle was trying to think of interesting support glyphs for Ars Astrologique i think (or maybe it was Ingressum) a while back. Not exactly support, but maybe Iridium would be interested in making this?

The "support" version could also be interesting, status effect that makes you teleport at random (like chorus fruit) when a projectle approaches you, like endermen. Or when you run low on health, like shulkers.

This would be different from contingency glyphs + blink because 1) there's no contingency that resolves immediately before being struck by a projectile, and 2) blink doesn't accept randomize (though if it did accept randomize then contingency health + blink randomize could handle the shulker type situation)

[strong elm]

arent they generally just number boosts?

[quick helm]

Time to make a damaging glyph that's the pegasus from lancer

[strong elm]

wheras if you look at the focus of summoning or block shaping, they do more interesting things

like the summoning one copies some of your spells on your minions

[ashen wind]

There is a potion against teleport

[lone sundial]

?

Against endermen dodging through teleport?

[ashen wind]

Enderference

Blocks the entity from teleporting

[lone sundial]

I thought that was moreso designed as making you non teleportable

Hmm

[ashen wind]

Infuse or splash potions can make others have it

Arrows won't work against them anyway

They have projectile immunity

[lone sundial]

Yeah idk, a whole potion to kill endermen is kinda much

[lone sundial]

Idk exactly how it works

Also does enderference work on tp commands?

[ashen wind]

No that would block admins

[lone sundial]

Darnnnnnn

I was hoping the /home commands from ftb mods would be blocked by that

[quick helm]

? 🤔

[lone sundial]

Hard to get working reliably

Still a potential thing tho

[opaque vine]

[stuck dust]

Is the overflow healing on the heavy sets supposed to be working? Doesnt seem to be working in my dev environment when i was getting all the Elemancy stuff caught up.

[ashen wind]

How are you trying to trigger it?

[stuck dust]

I think the issue is that it wasnt pulling the latest version from the maven though intellij. I just made a curseforge profile and it's working

was wearing wealdguard and standing on a cactus 😛

okay, it seems to be inconsistent. Standing on cactus with full mana in wealdguard SLOWS the damage as intended, but it's not healing even though mana is full

[ashen wind]

It heals before damage

And standing on a cactus deals so little that it's probably being rounded down too much

It's a bit more evident with the nether guard standing on lava

[ashen wind]

You likely need to pull the latest sauce too? The armor set code is there

[stuck dust]

Okay, that got it working. Now to figure out why it isnt working on the Elemancy stuff...

[ashen wind]

You're overriding the getTier, no?

The check for the armor count should be "if it fills the damage absorption map, check the tier string and update the corresponding counter"

[lone sundial]

Nerds

[stuck dust]

As far as I can tell, my ElemancyArmor.json mirrors the ElementalArmor.json, so I'm not sure what's wrong

[strong elm]

welcome back Defiance of Destiny

[ashen wind]

Damage/number boost, mana cost discount , mana Regen under some conditions, a passive ability and adding side effects to specific glyphs

Summoning and Manipulation doesn't have direct damage glyphs so with those the base mod had to be more creative

[fickle robin]

oh finally reporting the behavior for the manipulation turrets, they target the opposite direction to normal turrets with block spells. Such that will break the turret

[ashen wind]

you're on latest this time?

[fickle robin]

this was the last time I was on the server

did you fix a bug like this recently?

I can hop on and check again

[ashen wind]

i did fix a little thing before releasing the last batch of glyphs

i'll boot to test that exact spell

[fickle robin]

yeah, that spell breaks the turret on the test server's current build

[ashen wind]

let's see if the debugger helps finding out

if the adjustable turret work and elemental don't then there must be a way to fix

[ashen wind]

yeah it's an issue inherited from the adjustable turrets with touch

so i can say @vestal heart 's fault

seems that the direction passed needs to be inverted?

[fickle robin]

yeah, that's what I've been doing with

but that behavior is opposite to normal turret behavior

[indigo oracle]

soooooo why cant we dye t4 armor?

[quick helm]

I don’t think that’s ever been an elemental thing

[indigo oracle]

eesh so i just have to deal with being green i guess.

#uninstall

[stuck dust]

All the t4 and higher armors are set textures and cannot be dyed

[slow crystal]

some Flashjack feedback:

• flashjacks attacking mobs, with what appears to be an attack related to the turret they're guarding: cool AF
• homing projectiles hate Flashjacks. my latest playtest was 9 elemental turrets, with homing projectile spells. 9 flashjacks became 3 after a few seconds.
• aside: homing projectiles also hate Ars Artillery turrets.

i'm not 100% on this, but i kinda wish the Flashjacks were able to stay behind the turret they're guarding. Flashjacks jumping out 10 blocks in front of the turret, in its line of fire, while also being able to be hurt by the turrets, is disappointing. maybe if we could revive them like the Flare Cannon.

[ashen wind]

Ah, I must have made them projectile proof during testing

Cause that was happening at the start

[slow crystal]

right on. IDK what the side-effects would be, but the player in me wants those Flashjacks to be immune to projectiles from my turrets.

aesthetically: I love lightning parrots. They're conceptually awesome. IOW: thank you. ❤️‍🔥

[ashen wind]

The two concepts were actually a cardinal or an hawk

But with that size and the blocky aesthetics I can understand it ended up looking like a parrot

[slow crystal]

A lot of folks don't know that Cardinals are Jays. Aggressive buggers. I grew up in Ohio, where they are the state bird.

[slow crystal]

My bad, the chirp plus the model made me think parrot. Cardinals and Hawks are rad. I like dinosaurs. 😛

[ashen wind]

https://tenor.com/view/flapjack-flapjack-the-owl-house-toh-brazil-gif-27123775

Intended to be a tribute to this pal

But can't make something so smol

There are a red and a blue color variant for it

[slow crystal]

ooh i haven't dyed them yet. gonna do that today.

[shell cove]

i gotta ask, can the multihit functionality of water jet be used elsewhere>

like say, for a lead glyph?

wait i keep forgetting is 1.21 the one with the good lead mechanics?

[ashen wind]

WJ can only work like that because it's a single entity coordinating all the logic, so if you meant for example homing projectile targeting no

Unsure what you mean for the lead

[shell cove]

so you hit the spell on a mob, that mob becomes the headd of the lead chain and anything else hit by the water jet is tethered to them

[ashen wind]

Attaching mobs to each other is a newer feature than 1.21.1

[shell cove]

ah

yea mb

backporting upddates got me lost

[ashen wind]

If you meant the piercing part of WJ then depends on the case

[shell cove]

perhaps ill bother you when mc finnally makes a big upddate

[ashen wind]

I can't exactly remember how it behaves with multiple mobs in line

I think I just draw a line between two points and hit all

[shell cove]

i just remember the random augment specifically targetting dif mobs

[feral vine]

So a single cast of this one spell did this:

It also made a royal mess of grass and flowers, but yikes that was a lot of points.

[opaque vine]

That's #1399054187958112348 my guy

[full agate]

it seems like elementals turrets facing up and using use down as their hit direction?

conjure terrain makes some dirt at turret level

7 in total because one tries to be placed in the turret

[ashen wind]

Ars bug

Fixed in server build

[full agate]

was it PR'ed?

ah i see it

https://github.com/baileyholl/Ars-Nouveau/pull/2120

lgtm but im not bailey

[burnt fox]

for mana bubble how much incoming dmg is reduced and can i make the number higher with amplify?

[heavy sleet]

Looks like Conjure Terrain has a little issue in 0.7.9 beta

Touch > CT > Amp > Smelt should give stone. But it currently gives Cobblestone instead

Touch > CT > Amp x2 > Smelt does still give Deepslate as expected.

Working as expected in 0.7.8.6 as well.

[ashen wind]

Fixed in the 0.7.9.1

It was only setting stones while randomized

[burnt fox]

does anyone know the percentage of this

[delicate pine]

is this buffer size, input speed, output speed?
https://github.com/Alexthw46/Ars-Elemental/blob/710a1b0900655eba56d7af8cf4a1d0d70359288a/src/main/java/alexthw/ars_elemental/common/blocks/relays/EarthDepositorRelayTile.java#L23

nvm, found the class in ars

and yes that is how it is from what im seeing

[ashen wind]

The depositors and collectors have asymmetric transfer rates, yeah

[delicate pine]

yeah makes sense

[full agate]

does the chaining lens just duplicate the spell? thats what it looked like in the code but that doesnt seem very chain-y

i looked into it because i noticed it was elemental instead of neg

[ashen wind]

Chains the spells together

Made to dynamically attach glyphs to turret spells

Specifically requested for Conjure terrain

[full agate]

ahh gotcha

could i chain augments? like x9 + x6

[ashen wind]

Probably, for pierce you would just use the proper lens tho

And reminder that it respects the max spell length limits

[full agate]

ah

[patent mango]

how does the trinket pouch work?

[feral vine]

It's a bundle that you can put in a curio slot.

Also has a hotkey you can use to open it.

Basically, the pouches are an Ars backpack.

[opaque vine]

it spessifically stores curios

[feral vine]

I think it also stores charms, tokens, parchments and warp scrolls, too? Or has that always just been a modpack config I've been used to?

[ashen wind]

before 1.21, the two bags are limited to categories of items

in 1.21, they're just backpack and upgraded backpack

[opaque vine]

ah ic

[feral vine]

I think it is interesting that in 1.21, you cannot put a bundle into the Trinket Pouch or Spellbaster Bag unless you dye or rename it.

I use bundles of ritual tablets, spell scrolls from Not Enough Glyphs and patreon tomes to organize my pouch.

But I think it might be a missing bag-in-a-bag filter.

[outer crescent]

question about cauterize, is there some sort of bug that makes it kill you instantly from any hp?

I used it on myself when I had these effects and it one shot me

this is the spell I used

[outer crescent]

Also, if I have mana shield active and I use cauterize, it does like a bajillion damage to me but doesn't kill

scratch that, it just kills me instantly

actually, cauterize kills everything instantly

[full agate]

code seems normal to me

could be a mod interaction maybe

[sterile flame]

Technical question for Alex (or others who may know): I've been looking around Elemental's repo trying to find where and how the Elemental armors handle their damage absorption mechanics (ex: Heavy armor gives overhealth after absorbing damage into mana, Water set refills oxygen when about to drown). Could anyone point me in the right direction?

[ashen wind]

it's in the Sauce Code

pun intended i guess?

the only issue with using it right away for non-vanilla schools is that i don't have an hook to add the additional reduction for a set that is not hardcoded

otherwise, if one were to set the damage absorptions of that school and implement the armor interface on their armor class it would likely pickup the set bonus

[outer crescent]

Any advice on what to look for to figure out what is causing it?

[full agate]

no idea tbh

if you have a mod list maybe someone will recognize something

[ashen wind]

i'm pretty sure i tested it standalone and it wasn't acting weird

tested without the air armor?

i can't remember the roshambo at the moment

[outer crescent]

I did test it without the air armor, same effect

it just does a lot of damage

does the damage scale heavily off of spell power or something?

maybe im just a glasscannon

[ashen wind]

nah, usual base damage + spell power

uh, let me double check if it's applying power twice

[outer crescent]

yeah I tested it without the armor once again, instant death

[ashen wind]

do you have some weird curios?

[outer crescent]

my illiteracy is showing
wdym curios

[ashen wind]

the accessories or whatever you wanna call them

the slots for rings, foci etc.

[outer crescent]

i mean

two air bangles

I took them off, still instant death

[ashen wind]

i guess those three are just charms

[outer crescent]

oh yeah thats warden protection, enderman aggro and piglin aggro

[ashen wind]

the only weirdness was that there was a duplicate add for the damage spellstat, but nothing on you would provide any at all for cauterize

so i'm clueless on why it would deal so much

[outer crescent]

so its probably a weird mod interaction then?

[ashen wind]

a pretty weird one, it's just the same damage source as flare

i doubt your config for cauterize base damage randomly have high values either

[outer crescent]

ignite flare also one shots me

so

[ashen wind]

uh

[outer crescent]

its not an instant kill its just a fuckload of damage

[ashen wind]

what the heck

jumps from 3 to 33

[outer crescent]

huh

(was that a statement-question or just a question 😭)

[full agate]

just a statement i think

debugger time lol

[ashen wind]

i hope the crit stat reweighting didn't screw up everything

[outer crescent]

uh oh

[ashen wind]

urgh, the base value of the attributes didn't update on its own

[outer crescent]

I don't know what that means but it doesns't sound good

[ashen wind]

guaranteed crit with a +10x

[outer crescent]

-# that seems like a bit of ouchie

[ashen wind]

Already uploaded the fix anyway

[outer crescent]

Ur literally goated

Tysm 😭 I really like the concept of cauterize, especially because it fits perfectly with how I have my “build” set up

(Heal reactive armor with cleanse, and a spell staff move that strikes me with low damage lightning and gives me a shield)

(Cleanse would remove the shield though, so cauterize was baller cause it doesn’t remove positive things )

Plus my friend runs a poison build sooo

[outer crescent]

I gotta fine tune it some more, Im trying to find a way to abuse thunderguard’s armor passive to make this better

[outer crescent]

so uh

whenever I wear air armor (which removes earth resistance) it floods the server with this error message until I crash the server upon joining

what can I do about this

ig there's also this one that has trinkets

but whenever anyone wears an elemental armor that removes resistance, this happens

[opaque vine]

you should try to post the server crash log on MClogs
itll make it alot easyer to figureout the isse

[outer crescent]

im getting my friend to do that now (its not my server, Im just a player)

aight here:

oh fuck wait a minute

the crash reports don't exist because we just rolled back the server

god damn it

[opaque vine]

they should still show up in the logs no?

or the folder

[outer crescent]

server is not hosted on their computer so we don't have the file

im gonna force crash the server in the same way to get some new logs 😂

[opaque vine]

valid

tell them that you are doing that though

[outer crescent]

im in a vc with them rn lol

[opaque vine]

ah ic

[outer crescent]

nvm they're goated and got the crash log

@glass egret

[glass egret]

Here you are

[outer crescent]

yippee

[opaque vine]

back up a min

[whole arrow]

@glass egret

:notepad_spiral: Log Sharing

Upload your log file to mclo.gs so that people can help easier, not everyone is on their PC all the time and having a easily formatted searchable link is much easier for debugging.

Where can I find my logs?

Go to your instance or .minecraft folder and upload the logs/latest.log file

How about crash reports?

Crash reports can be found in your instance or .minecraft folder under the crash-reports sub-folder. This is only made when a crash is registered, so if it doesn't exist that's fine.

Noticed a problem?

Please raise an issue with @lyric echo

[outer crescent]

ah

[glass egret]

Ah huh
It might not be the armor? Could be another mob causing the issue

[outer crescent]

so it turns out
it was a fucking WEEDLE from COBBLEMON

and the ticking errors on the armor were just uh... "normal" ticking errors...

[opaque vine]

lol

[outer crescent]

(so my repeat crashing was because I was loading this chunk)

[glass egret]

Also this is so incredibly useful

Thanks!

[outer crescent]

so uh new fun thing

turns out if you have cauterize on reactive armor and take ANY fire damage, your game crashes

[ashen wind]

Ah, I told several times to whoever reported this a few months ago to post the log but didn't get it

I can maybe try to look if vanilla throws that error under some conditions or it's another mod that for some reason interact

Oh It's prefixed by trinkets so I guess that's the mapper of attributes for the item that multiplies them by a lot

If it's a runtime check and they forgot to remove it outside dev debugging then it makes sense

[ashen wind]

Reactive 4 Cauterize?

I'm surprised you simply didn't die

But if it's specific to a type of damage, it might be tied to the armor? As usual if it's a crash it needs the log, main suspect would be infinite recursion until either mana or health are exhausted

[outer crescent]

It happened with using a regular cauterize spell while on fire too

I dont have the log tho but if I crash again ill see what I can do

There’s also an issue where if I cast dampened lightning it dies but again
I dont have the log

[old hill]

Thought Id mention, Im working on some textures for items/blocks for the Ars Delight Addon for Archwood Good and Ars Elemental. If you guys wanna take a look at what Ive made so far, I can send the ZIP file. So textures could be tweaked if you want.

[outer crescent]

why is envenom so strong 💀

[outer crescent]

soooo I found another cauterize thing

it doesn't do anything when used on reactive armor

it does the damage "tick" but doesn't clear statuses

wait no
its that it doesn't clear status effects when you're poisoned I think

[feral vine]

Bringing a Flarecannon Charm along on a raid of a pillager outpost is surprisingly effective

[outer crescent]

ok weird question but
is there anything that makes it so that lightning just. doesn't even connect with someone's hitbox

Because when im hitting my one friend with amped lightning he doesn't take a single tick of damage

not like "it hit him but dealt 0 damage" he's not being hit by it at all, like hes in creative mode or something

im using this

(regular lightning has the same effect)

[tribal jasper]

I just realized Flashjack, Mermaid and Flarecannon don't have a spawn egg like other mobs from Ars...
Of course there are charms and bound scripts for them, but the spawn eggs are missing.

also if there are any other Elemental mobs I'm missing... they don't have their spawn eggs either.

The reason why I just realized that was because I found a really cool resource pack that applies spawn egg textures from future version to older versions of game and they even decided to make compatibility for a lot of modded spawn eggs too! 😄
https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/texture-packs/modded-omelet

When I put this resource pack in my modpack... almost ALL of the spawn eggs had the new coat of paint 😄

and the only missing ones are from Wetland Whimsy... and not even all of them as Crane got it's Egg makeover, so others might get it later down the line

anyway - that's how I found out Elemental doesn't have spawn eggs for their mobs

[feral vine]

That mod is on Ars Expeditions. None of the Ars followers have spawn eggs as they are not normal wild creatures. I can find the Ice & Fire siren egg, Grimoire of Gaia 4 siren spawn egg but nothing for an Ars Elemental Siren.

And same for starbuncles. Only the Ars Fauna ones, which are real wild creatures, have spawn eggs.

Like the Giant Carnivous Starbuncle from Ars Fauna

[stuck dust]

I use a different egg mod in Expeditions, but base Ars mods absolutely have eggs. Siren is not base mod though.

[opaque vine]

waveclaw notes that

[ashen wind]

I didn't feel the need for the eggs

[stuck dust]

No, he said Ars mobs didn’t have them, but the base mod mobs do have them.

You can even see the standard buncle egg there on the other side of his screenshot

[opaque vine]

"followers"
so ether the charm varients or fammiliars

[feral vine]

Yeah, that's a standard starbuncle egg. And there is a drygmy egg and whirli egg from the wild creatures. (No amythest golem)

[opaque vine]

As golems dont have a natrual form

[feral vine]

Oddly, they do have wild spawns in Ars Expeditions.

As part of a structure.

Looks like, AdorableEggs is the one in Expeditions if I'm right?

[opaque vine]

structures spawn them in then?

[feral vine]

There is an Amethyst golem 'home' in Expeditions. I found this hunting for stuff.

[stuck dust]

We might want to move discussion out of the addon channel for Elemental.

[outer crescent]

heya gang, when I use mana shield amp3 amp3 amp it gives me mana shield 10

when my friend uses the same exact spell, it only gives him regular mana shield

any idea why thats happening

Things we've ruled out:

-Ars trinkets buffs
-Spell power thread
-Ars affinity points

[opaque vine]

What armor/focus/bangle s are you using

[outer crescent]

Oh sorry I forgot to update this
I figured it out, it was because his water armor was buffing the spell and because I was air mage we needed different levels of amplify to hit 10

so he had too much

[tribal jasper]

It would be cool if you could use Geysers in Sable physics objects as thrusters or elevators.

Unfortunately you can't set them to stay in sub-levels through a tag and make it work - I tried and it spawns on ship, but doesn't stay on it.

[feral vine]

So in the latest 1.24 Ars Expeditions modpack, when I put on any piece of earth armor from Ars Elemental the logs become spammed with [Server thread/WARN] [co.c4.ar.ArsTrinkets/]: attribute ars_nouveau:sauce.perk.fire_resistance is negative and shouldn't be increased. Other fire resistance modifying curios and armors do not cause this issue.

Could this be the -X fire spell resist % triggering a bug in trinkets?

[ashen wind]

It's a logging thing they forgot to disable iirc

There's an item in trinkets that will multiply the values of all attributes on the player

But without checks, it would lead to weird behaviors. So they added that logging to see for example which attributes might go negative, I think

[feral vine]

well, it costs about half my TPS in my world. So I've had to switch from Ars armor to another mod's armor to stop the logging.

I also scored a 1.7 Gb logfile overnight with this. Compressed really well, though.

[ashen wind]

Blame @sterile grotto

I'd imagine it's smth like one line/tick

[sterile grotto]

very likely my fault

oh yeah imma disable that

and push out a fix

😭

[sterile grotto]

@feral vine i published a beta build that should fix the log issue

check changelog since it is a dev build it has some stuff you might want to disable since they are experimental systems

[feral vine]

I have some major problems with Ars Expeditions that I'm working around now. If these changes stabilize the game I can try the beta build.