Ars Elemental

[ashen wind]

BypassInv is so restricted to /kill that it makes sense to blacklist it

[ashen cargo]

Honestly, the idea of life linking an admin, them getting a hissy fit and /kill ing both of you is kind of hilarious

[ashen wind]

It is

[shell cove]

how many targets does spark target and how much does augment increase it by, if it does

also, this is hilarous

and overpowered

[ashen cargo]

Only overpowered once you have access to the /kill command and then you're literally OP anyways

[ashen wind]

No, the point is that if someone gets /kill -ed then it takes someone else in the grave too

And since /kill can kill even creative players, it fires back on the admin potentially

[ashen cargo]

I completely agree that it needs to be fixed. But I also still find it hilarious 😁

[jagged sphinx]

i search this item : glyph of Nullify defense

[lyric echo]

It's only on 1.21

and has to be enabled in the glyph config and the mod config

[shell cove]

Picture this

You have life link on their pet somehow

(Achievable with runes)

[feral vine]

The WitchHazel modpack has Unkillable Pets. Using Life Link on them would be kind of broken.

It's actually a problem because once you tame something, you just cannot kill it.

[shell cove]

Oh

[paper thicket]

dam

[sharp parcel]

I odn't see the spark flowers spawning in the forest.
I got the yellow tress thought

[ashen wind]

Weird, they should be pretty common in the flashing forest

Can't be found in the mixed one tho

[sharp parcel]

Oh, ok. So only on "pure forests"

So far, I only find mixed forests

[waxen mist]

I don't think the single forests spawn in that way from world generation ( might be wrong?) But if you have the island ritual you can augment it with yellow flashing sapling and in the island it'll put down sparkflowers

[ashen wind]

they can only spawn if enabled in the config

for example in Ars Expedition

[signal merlin]

What is this Ars Elemental entity tag supposed to be? I can't make out the last word and hovering over it doesn't work like the other tags, I assume because of the Ghast lol

[lyric echo]

It's the aerial tag

Used for the Aerial filter

[signal merlin]

Makes sense. Is there any easy way in JEI to view all the tags from a specific mod only?

[lyric echo]

No idea, sorry

That's not JEI behaviour anyway, I think that may be JER

[signal merlin]

Probably actually

I like JER but for the life of my I can't figure out how to generate data for mod content, part of it is already covered but very little, and guides I see online to address it are outdated and no longer work on my version. My search for Ars stuff would be so much faster if I had that lol

[signal merlin]

Oh I just realized this probably means the filter glyph doesn't work well with other mods' flying mobs, and it also doesn't even include things like Blazes

[lyric echo]

That's correct

[signal merlin]

I get that the Focus of Debug from Ars Elemental is a creative debugging tool, but what does it actually do when used to help with that?

[ashen wind]

Spawns the mage entity

It also had like, a switchable element but I didn't port that over to 1.21 since I would have needed a component just for that

[tribal moon]

A player on my server has found a dupe bug but I hesitate to report it to GitHub (mostly because I don't know what the etiquette is for reporting exploits but also because I haven't determined if it's due to a conflict)

[ashen wind]

if it's before 1.20 it's very unlikely to be fixed, might get fixed in 1.20, will be fixed in 1.21. if unreported nothing will ever be fixed

[lyric echo]

Very unlikely to be fixed first party, but modpack makers may fix it in their own modpack mods

[ashen wind]

I'm not even sure where Elemental can dupe stuff

[tribal moon]

It's in 1.21. I have reported it: https://github.com/Alexthw46/Ars-Elemental/issues/107

[ashen wind]

Ah, I expected bundles to not be placeable there

[weary anchor]

hey, who knows about the fire iframe ignoring murder spell thing? I'm having trouble getting it to work

[stark condor]

#1222573197619101728

[shell cove]

wait

armor values changed?

did you guys add the variants for elemental armor?

[ashen wind]

Not yet

But it was a porting mistake

[shell cove]

i see

[ashen wind]

The elemental armor in 1.21 had the same armor value of arcanist

Which is wrong

[shell cove]

hmm

is there a reason elemancy also had a porting mistake>

?

[ashen wind]

Likely simply inherited the mistake

[shell cove]

i see

perhaps it's a good excuse to make the variations, if only functionally if not visually

[stark condor]

Oh I thought the armor downgrade was intentional

Fair enough

[ashen wind]

No I just never noticed

[shell cove]

As a guy who likes big numbers, I noticed

But I also im a guy who likes variety

[ashen wind]

Chonky noticed it in https://discord.com/channels/924619182245552158/1343552683096670312

When I said the light variant would have the values of arcanist

[full agate]

im not chonky :p but yes i thought it was intentional when i first saw it lol

which was also the reason i was a bit opposed to jarva's spellweave enchantment

[ashen wind]

How the hell do I still exchange you for each other

[full agate]

[vestal heart]

similar pfp

[signal merlin]

Tested on 1.20 in a new single player world with the bundles experiment enabled, can't seem to be able to place bundles (tested with empty, full of 1 item, full of 63 of 1 item and 1 of another item) in either of the bags, so this problem probably only exists on 1.21. (Though I have been wishing we could put the spellcaster bag in the trinket pouch, but if this is the type of behavior that could happen it makes sense why not. lol)

[signal merlin]

If I have two bangles of the same element, does the damage boost to that element stack, or can it only ever apply once?

[waxen mist]

I think they stack - I put on two anima bangles for 4 hearts as opposed to 2

So I would assume the others so too?

[fair horizon]

what does charm actually do?

[paper thicket]

It makes entities become non hostile towards you I think

Idk about the extent of it

Like can you make them fight for u or not idk

[paper thicket]

Also, stronger mobs will require stronger charm, I think you use amplify for that

[fair horizon]

see i tried that

there is no like debuff on it and like no way to guage if it works or not

so idrk if its working or not

[fair horizon]

can i make it where when i cast a certain spell i cast it on myself and as a rune on the floor?

[ashen wind]

why would you charm yourself

[fair horizon]

that is unrelated

i am talking in general

[ashen wind]

that's multitarget so you probably need reset and a propagator

like propagate Self -> spell -> spell

hitpoint where projectile hits, propagate move the cast on you, resets to the hitpoint and makes the rune

[fair horizon]

so lets say i want it to place a rune and cast on myself

how should it look

[ashen wind]

tbh just step on the rune

way simpler

[fair horizon]

thats true sure but i play with other people

so i wanna do it all at once

[ashen wind]

then maybe something like enchanter horn to use the spell in an aoe like burst (without actually using burst)?

[fair horizon]

fair enough good idea

[ashen wind]

the whole thing of the horn is being an self&ally-buff thing

more you hold, larger the aoe. if you hold enough (no need to max) it also briefly give spell damage up

[fair horizon]

i see interesting

[signal merlin]

Now that Charm is brought, up I remembered a crash my server experienced that is possibly Charm/Ars-Elemental-related that I should maybe report.

I was once on my server, 1 other person was on at the time. I was in the Nether in a bastion, they were somewhere in the overworld reportedly doing nothing taxing or unusual. I shot a spell at 1 hoglin in a group of two at a lets say medium-distance. Far enough for them to not notice or aggro me but not that far away. The spell iirc just contained charm and the target method was homing, which I believe is also from this addon iirc. In hindsight, I probably spammed like 3 projectiles of it at the hoglin at once because I tend to rapid fire in low danger situations. The hoglin was next to a second hoglin that was never targeted, and it started to approach me from afar, moving away from the other hoglin. But was moving in short bursts like it was confused how to path to me. Then the server crashed. (Autosave was shortly before this thank god, so it autorestarted right back with the hoglin halfway closer to me, so it wasn't such a bad crash that the server needed to undo the entire hoglin-charm encounter because it corrupted everything.)

Unclear to me if the issue was actually the Homing-Charm spell, some weird AI problem, maybe the number of projectiles I cast, etc. Or maybe it was trying to tame instead of charm the hoglin, or tame the already charmed hoglin? It's also possible this crash had nothing to do with this addon at all. This was on Forge 1.20.1 with Ars Elemental 0.6.7.8

[signal merlin]

The Worn Notebook entry makes it sound like the spell damage up only affects the player (who used the horn?), is that the case? Or does holding it enough to get the spell damage buff also has it apply to the allies too

[fair horizon]

how do i upgrade my focus from lesser to major

[paper thicket]

Mark of mastery

Read the wiki bro

The ingame book docs

[shell cove]

i have a question

is blue ice not being able to sublimate an intended feature or is it a bug?

because when i try to use sublimation (the fire focus feature) it doesn't do anything to blue ice

it also doesn't work for packed ice

[ashen wind]

I tend to forget about different ice types

[shell cove]

oh i see

would be handy

... ok i've gotta confess i was just trying to follow up on an idea i've had for a while with ars plus

there is a glyph called iceburst

it turns ice into aoe damage

the only caveat is that it leaves a blue ice dome

which is not ideal

[shell cove]

additionally, this is a small thing but you can swap out spell foci by right clicking in the main hand but not the off-hand

not sure if it's intended or not so i'll leave it here

[ashen wind]

That's because people were using offhand foci and by casting it was triggering the equip or swap

[shell cove]

wait they work in off hand?

[ashen wind]

they used to

[shell cove]

they seem to still do

[ashen wind]

can't remember if that went away with the spellbinder or was brought back for the elemancy support

[shell cove]

i oh wait no

uh

apparently

you can use

without the focus of fire

wait

ugh, this is confusing

so im testing this right

turns out

ignite

can melt ice

without the need for sublimation

this is different from vanilla behavior of flint and steel so it was definitely added

by ars

[ashen wind]

it can melt but won't sublimate

it's a pretty legacy thing so it's not as necessary as in 1.16

[shell cove]

oh i see what you mean

[ashen wind]

you can probably have the shapers focus guarantee the evaporate target the water

[shell cove]

a bit confusing for me my bad

[ashen wind]

but it was inconsistent in the past so this little thing was added

[shell cove]

i can also say that it doesn't work on snow

or layers of snow

lol

the foci are watching

it's a shadder bug, but i wish that the light on foci was actually a toggeable thing, i think it'd be neat

[ashen wind]

the orb can be toggled off, it's just its curio visibility

[shell cove]

uhm

i can't seem to "catch" it without shaders

it seems it culls itself when in first person

but not when in inventory or 3rd person

how do i make it visible in the 1st person

[ashen wind]

ah that's probably just how curio decides to render it

[shell cove]

?

[ashen wind]

i don't remember if there's additonal checks, but it would be annoying if it went on screen

you could try to play with fov

[shell cove]

but it works with shaders?

FOV also doesn't seem to render it, not matter how high or low i put it

oh well ill just play with shaders

[quick helm]

Use AoE after. It should catch any remnant ice

[fair horizon]

does the major focuses(basically not the lesser one) still dampen other element spells or na

[ashen cargo]

No, that's the selling point, iirc

[fair horizon]

i see

[quick helm]

Wrong mod

[fair horizon]

op my bad

[fair horizon]

what would the best way to use the necromany focus(anima focus)

[feral vine]

[lone sundial]

wait, can you make a phylactery with a minecolony citizen then

[stark condor]

Probably

[fair horizon]

is mana shield ever good i feel like u lose waay too much mana for it to be useful

[ashen wind]

have you tried it with the full water set?

[fair horizon]

i have not,does the water set boost water spells as a set bonus?

[ashen wind]

each part discounts and amplify the water glyphs

is otherwise not amplifi-able

the discount also applies to the damage reduction cost

it's kinda a worse bastion fruit if used alone, but there's literally half people that say it needs a buff and half would say it's too strong if it were to be buffed

[fair horizon]

how does amp affect the mana shield tho

[ashen wind]

Something like max damage reduced is 1 + nAmps

In older version it was 1 + amps/2

In 1.20 there won't be discounts for the reduction cost either

But in 1.21 you can reduce up to 5 points of damage assuming you have enough mana (don't have the numbers with me to show off the reduction, sry)

[fair horizon]

i need fully upgrade hoods to convert them into

elemental armors

right?

[lyric echo]

Correct

[fair horizon]

btw is it normal if it uses a whole 800 mana just to block any attack? also is the mana cost determined by the attack power or is it just like a flat amount of mana lost if u get damaged at all

[ashen wind]

350 for each damage point reduced without discounts

[ashen wind]

oof, it's pre-armor damage now

must have been 1.21 damage container changes

i might be able to give a bit better scaling from the armor then

[fair horizon]

i assume i need to go max prot on everythig to make mana shield good then?

[ashen wind]

no i meant better discounting

i probably made the calcs with inflated mana and/or a different reduction

so with the full water discount it was extremely power hungry for something that does pre-armor reduction

without apotheosis, protection from armor tips off a ton of damage

with a little tweak to that, it should go down to 200 mana per hp instead of still having around 300 cost

[fair horizon]

so what should i add then

ignore the earth spangle

[ashen wind]

you should prolly enchant it anyway

just saying next update will make it cheaper to sustain with the aquamancer

[fair horizon]

when is next update

[stark condor]

soon

[ashen wind]

One could potentially download it from maven even now

[feral vine]

Oooh. You have the hats mod.

That has Ice Dragon and other kinds of hats. Could be something that Ars Elemental could do.

[fair horizon]

what does using anima bangles/essence really do to the spells?

/ summons that die

[ashen wind]

Bangle and essence? Nothing to summons

[fair horizon]

huh isnt the animas whole niche is it revieves stuff that u summon as revenants?

[ashen wind]

The bangle has the chance to either give heal to both of you or wither the target on any hit

That's the focus, not the essence

[fair horizon]

i see

[ashen wind]

Anima as a school is the cycle of life and death

[fair horizon]

what does the focus exactly do,i think it gives buffs right?

to the revenants that do spawn

[ashen wind]

The revenants are stronger versions of the base summons

Faster and with more attack

They also copy your homing spells

[fair horizon]

i see

thanks

i remember they get like resistane and speed is that true or am i trippin

[ashen wind]

They maybe get potion buffs but I doubt it was resistance

It's mostly an effect of the normal focus

[fair horizon]

i see

thanks

[signal merlin]

Wait, then can you benefit from 2 different foci at once, by having 1 in curio slot and another in offhand?

[paper thicket]

Can you have 1 in curio, 1 in main hand and 1 in off hand to get power of all 3 lol

[rain hornet]

Summoners focus + necromantic focus

[paper thicket]

necro what now 🤨

[rain hornet]

Necromancer’s focus

Whatever

The but like

Evil

[paper thicket]

lol

[fair horizon]

is the necromancy focus strictly better than the summoning focus?

[ashen cargo]

That strongly depends on how you like your horses, for example.

[paper thicket]

Necormancy probably focuses more on the summoned undead

[tribal jasper]

I placed a bunch of flarecannons in a snowy village in creative...
This is what I found later after I noticed their projectiles melt snow though

Umm... I broke the block under it by accident and under it was grass block... maybe it wasn't them doing it...

[vast canopy]

no i think it was, normally when the last layer of snow gets removed im p sure the texture auto changes

but that doesnt happen with flare cannons appernetly

[tribal jasper]

This was a Grass Block placed on another Grass Block though...
I noticed that when projectile hits a block, it makes it be affected by gravity for some reason... which could maybe explain what is hapenning:
I think projectile hit Grass Block in it's snowy state and briefly gave it gravity, perhaps somehow moved to the block nearby, but that same projectile also melted the snow layer on it's top without updating Grass Block it hit.

[stark condor]

Used to happen with intangible

[ashen wind]

It's tied to snow being removed without the block updating

The base color of a grass block is that white, gets the tint from the biome unless it's covered

[lavish coral]

Neat.

[main cypress]

Found a crash with Ars Elemental, I tried removing 25 mods and until I changed the version of Ars Elemental back to the previous version before 0.7.4.3, it crashed my instance. Here is the latest log.
https://mclo.gs/lUpNJHr

[ashen wind]

@vestal heart how was the change missing from release?

Archived the file for now

[vestal heart]

eh? the log looks related to toolbelt mod

oh I see scrolling up more

nothing past the 5.9.1 commit is released alex

https://github.com/baileyholl/Ars-Nouveau/commit/c93bbae3441bf165e0c3b43f5759d6177303ba31

we can revert that removal though so you dont have to time the release

[ashen wind]

And the AN codecs thing is in the merge pull?

[vestal heart]

that was 2 prs later

[opaque vine]

Thank you for bringing this to their attention lol

[ashen wind]

I'll probably duplicate the codex in my end and repack the release to avoid suspending it until the next update

Didn't expect new stuff to be already on main branch when I updated the indev for compiling

[ashen wind]

with ars 5.9.2 it should work, i de-archived the file

[orchid musk]

I can't seem to craft elemental armor sets, I'm playing on NeoForge version 1.21.1.

[paper thicket]

Common solutions : You aren't using t3 base armour, use t3 for upgrading to elemental sets

[orchid musk]

I did but still aren’t able to upgrade

[paper thicket]

Send some screenshots and the jei recipe screenshot

😊

[orchid musk]

here ya goooo

[paper thicket]

Whats that barrier block thingy in the middle

[ashen wind]

a broken tag

[orchid musk]

it said empty tag or smth

[paper thicket]

yeah something is broken it seems

[orchid musk]

oh

[paper thicket]

Alex would know about this one so im out lol

-# (i assume u could try reinstalling or changing version of elemental)

[ashen wind]

you're either pretty behind with updates and at some point tag changed

or you're a bit behind and the modpack tried to change recipes failing?

[orchid musk]

ohhhhh

[ashen wind]

either way, since that's the old item sprite you're surely not on latest

[orchid musk]

thank yall so muchhh

lemme check it out

[ashen wind]

last Ars Nouveau update is worth checking out since it's the spell styles

[orchid musk]

It was Ars nouveau that was behind, it's fixed now

thank youuuuuuu

[ashen wind]

you should update both or it's likely to crash

[orchid musk]

I did, don't worryy

[ivory forum]

do spell focuses stack if you have curios slots to have more than 1

like

2 of the same

[lyric echo]

Yes for the most part

[tribal jasper]

Bro is becoming the Avatar.

[paper thicket]

infinity stones

I also want more foci slots 😭😭

but that would be too easy lol

[feral vine]

crown of the elements that makes them float around your head when you put them in.

except it has 0 armor, un-enchantable and comes with curse of binding that it applies to all the foci you install in the extra bauble slots.

[opaque vine]

Why binding? Just make the foci drop when you take it off

[full agate]

sounds more elemancy territory imo but they already have quad focus

[opaque vine]

tru that

[vague widget]

Damn
And remembering that elemental focci work in the off-hand

It means I can double wield the earth focus to get more bang from my Awesome Blossoms

.
Btw, to all elementalists.
What are your best / most used elemental combos?

Cuz I'm trying to calculate the maximum damage for every element, but I lack good combos for Aqua and Pyromancy

[paper thicket]

I think by popularity, fire natio- I mean Pyromage wins

I use a fire focus personally

because I never got time to make the other foci lol

[vague widget]

Well I usually go for geomancer

[paper thicket]

dam

I want to make air next

[vague widget]

What combos do you use?

Hmm

I think air is just lightning and discharge spamm

Or launch and airsword

[paper thicket]

Wdym

[full agate]

or fall damage

also makes for a very fast block railgun

since leap is elemental air

[paper thicket]

1. Ground to air heat seeking missile (lava's bane configured with homing projectile)

2. Simulmancer's smite

3. 

4. 

pretty simple stuff

[ashen wind]

I need to remember to try a linger spike combo to see if it turns into an icestorm

[paper thicket]

simulmancer smite is like a trump card lol

[full agate]

i was going to shill my wind shear spell, but i remembered that amplify doesnt do shit on wind shear

need to fix that when i get home

[ashen wind]

As we said in general, we should also check if shear gets the 3x from Gravity

[full agate]

works without amp

really enjoying wind burst over launch

way more height

[ashen wind]

You should technically add a launch + extend time if you wanna max the damage

[full agate]

theres a limit on height damage though

[ashen wind]

Levitation helps keeping it in the air and gives a +20% mult

[full agate]

TIL about the mult

[ashen wind]

You just need a small jump to keep it over 10 blocks afterall

[full agate]

i assume thats elemental and not base?

[paper thicket]

trampoline

[ashen wind]

Yeah, just like snap getting a buff from fully frozen iirc

[paper thicket]

does that work?

[ashen wind]

I have to double check but with the new documentation the extra details should have been added in the page of the effect

[full agate]

i dont think ive ever read glyph docs tbh

only the descriptions lol

except for controles glyphs because i needed to confirm its working

[vague widget]

Damn

Btw, Is there anything else to Aquamancy other than freeze+coldsnap and drown?

[ashen wind]

not really, trinkets has water spear

i had to give the water school too to balance

[vague widget]

.
Just cuz I remember ppl saying that most elements are balanced. But I only managed 21 dmg from :coldsnap: with all the boni except spell power

Oh

[ashen wind]

for fire technically >

[vague widget]

Yeah

Noticed that new one

Tho it kinda weirded me put that there's a new glyph only for pyro

[ashen wind]

it's the only glyph for pyro added by elemental

[vague widget]

Lol

Then I understand

[ashen wind]

about 2 glyphs for each school

but in practice one for pyro and 3 for earth

[vague widget]

Meh 1.5 I'd say

[ashen wind]

and one in two schools actually

[vague widget]

Earth has 3?

Envenom, poison spores, ...?

[ashen wind]

+
+

[vague widget]

Ah tru

Always forget the shield

Tho Base added their own if I'm not mistaken

[ashen wind]

nope, just shielding potion coming back

[vague widget]

Oh

[ashen wind]

and relics has a one thing pretty similar

[vague widget]

So mana shield is from another addon

Damn

Wait. Spike is both earth and water?

[ashen wind]

water added when i added the blockshaping abilities

few updates ago

[vague widget]

The what???

Please tell me more

[ashen wind]

#addon-announcements message

[vague widget]

Ah

The spike

Love it

[paper thicket]

is thid the 4 combos?

elemental combos

this is sacred knowledge

[paper thicket]

omg this so cool

but its 1.21

I can make some simple stuff with this

stone cannon

(not related to harm cannon at all)

[ashen wind]

no, i was just listing the glyphs added by school

the fact two pairs of them are combos is just because base didn't have one

[tribal jasper]

moved message to #general-and-help because I wrote it in wrong chat, sorry

[paper thicket]

o

[vague widget]

Btw.
What are the base glyphs that elemental enhances or modifies?

Like, I know
W - , , assume as well
F - , , assume as well
A - , assume as well
E - no clue

[ashen wind]

[vague widget]

Oh

I vaguely remember smth about elemental rides

Gravity makes a lot of sense. I believe it's the gravity field

[paper thicket]

wdym

[vague widget]

Cut, no clue. Tho I heard plenty of it's use

[paper thicket]

?

[vague widget]

Like but with focci

[paper thicket]

fire focus - Strider
water focus - dolphin
earth focus - idk tbh camel?
air focus - expected to be ghast soon

😤😊

[ashen wind]

cut becomes beheading damage

higher chance of head drop if it kills

might as well be the ghast yes, i'd only hope it's easy to remake as a simpler version

just need to make it slow enough to not be criticized too much as op

it's not as easy to disable as just removing the recipe of leap

[paper thicket]

i was gonna say getting the air focus is late game but yeah, just pulling out a ghast anywhere might be a bit op lol

[ashen wind]

lesser foci are early game

[paper thicket]

is this a feature yet?

[paper thicket]

oh it also works with lesser ones?

[ashen wind]

enabling the glyph changes before endgame is their whole point

[paper thicket]

o

[ashen wind]

the major version are without drawbacks and with situational passives, aside the higher bonus

[paper thicket]

o

ok

[stark condor]

Regarding this.. does an iframe-canceled cut still work to get beheading if I kill it with something stronger, like harm amp amp cut. The cut damage is ignored of course, but does it still get the head bonus?

[ashen wind]

Has to be the killing blow

[vague widget]

Is there any use to bubble shield?

Like, regarding the extremely high cost and low protection it gives

Specifically trying to get the devs' attention

[ashen wind]

Use it with Full Water set (Armor+Focus) + discount rings or it's crap unless you have trinkets-levels of mana

[paper thicket]

me with 7k without trinkets🤑🤑🤑🤑

[north heron]

Me with 400k in base because anyone can change configs and all these numbers are made up anyways🤑🤑🤑🤑

[opaque vine]

you are kinda real for that

[paper thicket]

brih

[paper thicket]

no

its not even possible

if it is tell me lol

[opaque vine]

/attribute makes it so

but thats not configs

[paper thicket]

i tweaked my configs to give me a lot more max mana but at the cost that mana regen is like under 10

i had about 6600 originally, after tweaks it should have been aboit double

[north heron]

Configs can change mana you get for each glyph

[paper thicket]

but base ars has a limit of 10k

[north heron]

zamn fr?

[paper thicket]

ur just not allowed more than 10k

yeah so im stuck with 10k even tho it should add up to about 12k

i didnt bother with a kubeJS file because idk how to make one

[dull sierra]

is there a way to turn off the current using redstone or does this not exist

[opaque vine]

If you tried it and it doesn't it doesn't

[dull sierra]

i wish it was added

[indigo oracle]

is there any plans on making a potential summoner set? there's bangles and 2 types of foci and tomes but not really any other support beyond those things.

[ashen wind]

Not much you can do with the current state of summons

The summon rework in base ars needs to be done first

[indigo oracle]

any info on that?

[ashen wind]

Nope, pretty sure there are at least two other major features in line first

[tribal jasper]

Huh... okay, I'm excited for that not gonna lie.

[indigo oracle]

well that is still exciting not gonna lie

[feral vine]

considering how much and how hard Bailey goes with 'minor updates' to Ars, waiting is probably best.

[indigo oracle]

ive been waiting for more summon support like you would not believe, this is a magic mod where you can play as any type of wizard you want after all. i cant wait to see what other new stuff we get dont get me wrong but I do hope we see more support for summons primarily as it is the most lacking area I feel.

[fickle robin]

also don't hold your breath

[opaque vine]

it will happen bailey will cook
its a slow burner tho

[indigo oracle]

and thats totally fine, itll be worth the wait

[opaque vine]

yesk

[vestal heart]

Probably not before my next stint of unemployment, so give or take 3 years

[opaque vine]

While the main one is a way the addons can play tho

[ashen wind]

Smart Mobs are among the hardest things to work on in this game

You can easily make them look good (with someone skilled), tweak some values...but this kind of environment can be pretty tough for static AI

[indigo oracle]

really dont need smart mobs at all. we just need more range that they can move away from the player, that alone would be an immmense improvement.

[ashen wind]

I mean for that it's coded in base ars itself

[indigo oracle]

not a config i assume

[ashen wind]

Too much allowed distance cause them to remain stuck somewhere

[ashen wind]

Could be made one I guess, easy to make a PR so users can test some value

[indigo oracle]

hows that? wolves teleport when to far away.

same with the familiars

undead i feel are THE defacto best summon in the mod and they cant walk more than ten blocks away before running back to you, canceling their attack completely.

in order to play with them you gotta be within danger range of whatever you want them to attack which is not that great considering they dont pull agro.

[ashen wind]

Is the distance between wolves and summoned wolves different?

[stark condor]

Wolves teleport when far away yes, assuming they have a block to teleport to before you unload them

But if you're flying, they can't teleport to the air, so can end up sitting there waiting for you to be near a teleportable block. And by then, you may have gone so far they unloaded and can't teleport anymore

[ashen wind]

seems to be a coded distance of 12 blocks for both vanilla and ars mobs

whenever their (z^2+y^2+x^2) distance exceed 144 then they teleport back to owner

[fickle robin]

as long as the owner it touching ground

[ashen wind]

yeah it looks for valid positions before actually tp-ing them

[ashen wind]

what current

[dull sierra]

the bubble current

[ashen wind]

there's a bubble elevator there?

[vast vessel]

Hello, my soulbind enchantment is not allowing me to enchant anything besides my spell book. I am on version 1.21.1-0.7.4.3 do I need to update it again to get the soul bound stuff to work?

[ashen wind]

https://github.com/Alexthw46/Ars-Elemental/blob/1.21/src%2Fgenerated%2Fresources%2Fdata%2Fars_elemental%2Ftags%2Fitem%2Fsoulbound_extra.json

These are all the tags it covers

If an item is in those tags, it must be enchantable

The enchantments are basically separated from code in 1.21

[vast vessel]

It's only allowing me to enchant a plain book, I cant enchant any of the things listed on there even when they're naked

Not sure how to fix this tbh, now it's not even letting me use the book plus an anvil

[ashen wind]

Can't even check until next week cause I'm far from home

[vague widget]

Erm, Alex...

About this

It only does 2 dmg

Cuz the spike resolves as a blockshaping impact, rather than a falling spike

Talking about 🔼

[ashen wind]

Block shaping impact would deal a lot more

Falling spike damage is calculated based on how long the spike was falling

It's kinda inconsistent when you shoot straight

[vague widget]

hmm

well I'm getting consistent 2 dmg

Also, I tried without blockshaping

The falling spikes can only be targeted with or

Still, makes them do 2 dmg

tho lets them have their full damage

[vague widget]

I mean, I tested it. Unless perhaps it is coming through as the normal falling damage instead of blockshaping

[ashen wind]

Shoot the spike from above aiming at the mob head

[opaque vine]

i also tested it actually
using misslie lets it resolve normaly

[ashen wind]

https://github.com/Alexthw46/Ars-Elemental/blob/1.21/src%2Fmain%2Fjava%2Falexthw%2Fars_elemental%2Fcommon%2Fentity%2Fspikes%2FDripstoneSpikeEntity.java#L79

Normal spike uses Stalagmite damage

Thrown maybe uses the dripstone damage formula but doesn't use the damage type?

It doesn't have many overrides, it mostly simulates shooting a falling dripstone

[paper thicket]

maybe u have to make it fall y level yk

it probably checks y level

[opaque vine]

6 blocks is enough for max dmg

[vague widget]

I can assure you that falling spike does not deal stalagmite damage, since it doesn't ignore armor.
Dunno about grounded spike

[stark condor]

Stalactite damage does get reduced by a helmet though

[opaque vine]

tru

[vague widget]

Oh

Minecraft wiki do lie to me

[radiant plaza]

crash when i place magmatic current elevator https://bytebin.lucko.me/Lefh06t7RT 1.21.1 neoforge

[ashen wind]

Ah

First time I'll have to try a blind release

Git without ide and publish script

Ah, I wonder how that override ended there. it's not needed

Easy fix

[opaque vine]

lol

[ashen wind]

While I try to find a way to publish on curse without a PC,

https://maven.blamejared.com/com/alexthw/ars_elemental/ars_elemental-1.21.1/0.7.5.0.1.80/ars_elemental-1.21.1-0.7.5.0.1.80.jar
@radiant plaza

[radiant plaza]

is that a fix?

[ashen wind]

Yeah

[radiant plaza]

okay

[radiant plaza]

time to download stuff from curseforge and put it on modrinth again

oh this is direct download

[paper thicket]

real

[ashen wind]

All GitHub commits are automatically built on that maven

[radiant plaza]

starting my mc with the fix hope it will work

[radiant plaza]

how did u code that so fast and without pc?

[ashen wind]

This was just a removal of something that shouldn't have been there so simply editing from GitHub mobile

Then once blindly committed the change the system did the rest

[radiant plaza]

how did something that shouldnt be there get there is a good question then

mc started lets test

it works no more crash, thanks for fixing this os fast @ashen wind

[opaque vine]

a happy ending YIPPEE

[radiant plaza]

YIPPEE

greatest mod dev ever award for alexbuncle

[ashen wind]

Code refactoring with last update to elevators for redstone control

An override defaulted to returning 0

Modulo by zero and division by zero are pretty straightforward errors

[radiant plaza]

aha

[ashen wind]

Seems the publishing action worked too, should be available on curse for pack making

[radiant plaza]

idea for an update to elemental: update the texture of the current elevators a bit (not to be mean i just find them a bit ugly

[radiant plaza]

nice

[radiant plaza]

well i use modrinth and modrinth doesnt seem to complain about mod ussage from other sites

[ashen wind]

If Loaf gets to remake them for their texturepack maybe I can take a bit of inspiration but otherwise I suck with blocks

[radiant plaza]

oh okay

[radiant plaza]

have a nice day and again thanks for helping me

[fathom gyro]

Was there a reason why Anima/Necromancer robes were never added? (mostly just curious)

[radiant plaza]

U mean focus?

[opaque vine]

no the anima focus exists

[sharp parcel]

Well, the bloodmagic addon robe kind of fits the theme.

[fathom gyro]

Bloodmagic doesn't really fit imo as Anima is the summoner build, since it's summoner focus crafted into necromancy focus (using the focuses for comparison to their counterparts that have robes)

[hidden flame]

I just discovered the potion of enderference.
What is it used for?

[ripe edge]

It prevents teleportation.

[vast vessel]

Hello, my soul bound is still not working, in survival I can only soul bind one item, but in creative mode ot works just fine? Have I done something wrong?

You know I apologize I forgot you're still not home, these weeks have been melding together

[timber ermine]

this might be a strange question but where can i get soulbound books

[hidden flame]

With the enchanting apparatus

[ashen cargo]

I am not sure if they are part of the book loot pool, actually.
Potentially, there's only the Enchanting Apparatus recipe

[ashen wind]

EnchApp only

[ashen wind]

are you sure it's the AE soulbound in the first place?
I double checked and JEI confirms that it goes on like all the tools and armors

[vast vessel]

Yes :( unfortunately I have confirmed, idk what's going on when I get home after work if you need me to send pictures of anything lmk, but again no big deal since you're gone

[ashen wind]

Aside checking what the Jei says when you press U, only clue I have is that something is breaking tags?

In which case use smth like Load my***tags

[vast vessel]

Okie dokie! I'll give that a try

[ashen wind]

Which I never remember if it prints what's broken or force loads the tag broken

[vast vessel]

Thanks for taking the time to help me even while you're gone! I'll give it a try after work today and keep you updated!

[ashen wind]

No worries, I am back. That's why I am sure it's not a normal bug in code

[mint patrol]

Blue fire glyph please?

[quick helm]

What is with bro and blue fire

[opaque vine]

idk

he wants to make it burn underwater
i said the fire focus can do that kinda

oh shoot hes here

[mint patrol]

Am too much into it 😭

[opaque vine]

lol

[mint patrol]

I jus find it very interesting that's it

[opaque vine]

yknow that even if it does work you cant do dmg with it bc the effect would just disapate

[quick helm]

lmao idc I just checked a couple threads with new messages and all of them were you asking for "blue fire"

[mint patrol]

Okie apologies I went overboard.

[quick helm]

I'll look into making it if you have a cool idea

[mint patrol]

Could I then take it to ur dms?

[quick helm]

sure

[mint patrol]

Ty

[frosty ether]

One minor thing, but Elemental's rituals are all labled "Ritual Name" instead of "Tablet of Ritual Name" like base Ars does. Hardly a pressing issue, but still would be nice to fix.

[native quail]

I wonder if the drowning damage from Watery Grave can be changed to attribute to caster(death is not properly registered as a kill from the drowning, making early Hydromancy without Ars Trinket impossible)

[ashen wind]

Direct damage should still be dealt by the caster

There is no actual dot, it just removes air

So the information doesn't carry at all, it's not even like poison

[native quail]

So there is no way to attribute Watery Grave to the spell caster? Or is it fixed in a recent update? If I am getting correctly, if air is already completely removed when the spell hits, the drowning damage is applied to said entity.

[ashen wind]

Oh I see, the damage source used is wrong

can fix

[native quail]

Has the issue been detected? Should I check any other glyphs? For example Shock?

[ashen wind]

I am pretty sure of spark and discharge because they were using the lightning damage and it was stronger than intended due to shocked

And poison spores since it needed its own too

I probably have to double check spike stuff damage types

[native quail]

Well, drown seems to register a kill attributed to my character when delivered by command.

[fickle robin]

so I was just playing around with the Advanced Spell Prism, it doesn't seem like the Acceleration Lens works? The spell is moving at the same speed as it entered

on latest for the test server

[ashen wind]

i have to do the damage fixes, i'll look into that too

[ashen wind]

it does change but you have to stack multiple apparently to notice, it's just a +0.1 x according to prism logic

umh, even then you have the acc. issue

it's clamped

between 0.1 and 0.9 for advanced and 0.1-0.7 for normal

for comparison, a projectil from a wand should be 1.25 speed

i can try raising the cap to 1.3 but as it was said in #api-development there's risk of shenanigans

if @full agate manage to ensure the limit can be lifted without issues, then it will be more worth to stack them

[full agate]

at this point im pretty convinced its a bug in the vanilla code

its not even about the prisms

you can get spell projectiles to clip through blocks as long as theyre fast enough

[ashen wind]

Well, entity collisions are a vanilla weak point

[full agate]

and youre spaced correctly

its weird though because fast arrows collide well

[ashen wind]

Maybe arrows have a dedicated check?

[full agate]

maybe, couldnt find the relevant code

[ornate lava]

Hey, sorry if this is a dumb question, but did the change from hellfire ot magic fire invalidate the 1.20 version of Harm Cannon?

[lyric echo]

What change?

[ornate lava]

Oh wait, am I thinking of base Ars? I think I saw something about Hellfire > Magic fire?

[lyric echo]

Hellfire and Magic Fire are two different things

Flare produces Magic Fire

[ornate lava]

Oooh, Im just a dumdum I guess

Must be something else messing with my Harm Cannon. Probably Apotheosis

[opaque vine]

wait are you in 121?

[ornate lava]

1.20.1
I think it is Apotheosis though. THeir attribute mod is probably to blame

[ashen wind]

The rename only changed that the healing was increased instead of reduced and added the visual effect

The interaction with heal that resets the iframes is still there in 1.20

[north heron]

apotheosis did not interfere with the spell when i was testing

.. do you have the kindling thread?

[ornate lava]

Yes. Wierd...

I'll just have to do the thing where i slowly remove mods until stuff works again.

[ornate lava]

https://www.arsnouveau.wiki/category/armor/entry/thread_kindling

I... Think they made it so kindling no longer does the hell fire debuff? Just regular fire with increasing durations?

[opaque vine]

In 121 yes

[ornate lava]

I think it got back ported into 1.20.1. Or maybe I messed up...

[opaque vine]

You doing a harm cannon?

[ornate lava]

Yes

Trying to, at least

[opaque vine]

Can I see a pic of the spell you are using?

[ornate lava]

Not at home rn, but once I get back

[opaque vine]

Ah I'll be asleep by then

[north heron]

should be working in 1.20.1

[opaque vine]

Yea

[ornate lava]

Definitely 1.20.1.

To be clear, Im not making the most optimal spell, but this does ONE instance of damage and nothing else, no iframe skip at all

The fire is just normal fire that lasts really long

Other addons are NEG, Ars Technica, and Additions

[ashen wind]

note: don't test on zombies

nor other undeads

nor players, as the homing isn't sensitive

if it's a premade pack, there's the small chance the config was used to disable the mechanic

[ornate lava]

Tested on an iron golem in creative
Nope, not a premade pack.

[north heron]

could it be the heal being ignored..?

halfed and dampened is probably zero

[opaque vine]

I checked tho ing works

[ornate lava]

If you look at the third pic, it no longer says anything about hell fire...

This is definitely 1.20.1

[opaque vine]

It never did actually

[north heron]

what ars version?

iirc the first 1.20.1 release was basically a port

[ornate lava]

4.12.7

[north heron]

weird

[ornate lava]

Problem solved. Apotheosis is 100% the culprit. Turning off adventure mode does not help either...
Removing Apoth made it work perfectly. Putting it back made it stop working.

[north heron]

very interesting

[ashen wind]

Uh, maybe it's something in the later updates?

People used apotheosis and the gatlings for a long time

[ornate lava]

I know, I actually used to love that as well. Massive amounts of mana, back to back Harm Cannons. Spell power up the wazoo. Modded bosses cried. That's why it took me this long to figure it out. Best I can figure out, around at least 7.4 above messes things up, so around last year it should still have been fine...

[feral vine]

just a little curious, what do flashjacks look like?

[ashen wind]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/982914656609910845/1408750780521119805/flashjack-v1.2.gif?ex=68b6be67&is=68b56ce7&hm=6af15ce4f26958621aa38c8a1062b7ca76e76f3a630e69d470e279de5704865a&

Small tweaks since then, but more or less

[feral vine]

neat. Now just to find one.

[ashen wind]

If you mean on the test server, use the ritual in a flashing forest

[feral vine]

"duuuh." /me goes to slink in a corner like an idiot

[ashen wind]

But the taming is not yet coded because the code for its turret hijacking has to be tuned

You can probably only get the familiar via ritual on a wild one

[feral vine]

lol. Ritual of Summon animals in a flashing forest: snails, rabbits and Hexerei crows. So. Many. Crows.

[ashen wind]

Could be that the server is too much behind...?

[feral vine]

nope. Took a few to work.

[ashen wind]

I had to fix it since the initial spawn settings weren't working

[feral vine]

Also, they take seeds, not flashpine.

[ashen wind]

Heh, parrot inherited code

They probably still have the goal to try and mount on your shoulder

[feral vine]

hah. One of the rituals of summon animals spawns goats and weld walkers.

also, flashjack is invisible when riding on your shoulder

[ashen wind]

Yeah, that's unintended and already removed

The feature will come back with the shoulder support for all the fams

If it's feasible

[feral vine]

oh. It was a neat bonus feature.

[ashen wind]

Doesn't work out of the box, rendering kinda works with any geckolib entity with the old test for starbies on shoulders

[feral vine]

at least on the test server version, both wild and tamed will convert into familiar 'bound script'

[ashen wind]

Wdym, with ritual of binding?

That's what happens with all critters

[feral vine]

You said that you could probably only get the familiar from doing the ritual on a wild one. It works for both.

[ashen wind]

Because I assumed the taming mechanic was not working

Forgot the parrot backbone

So, the tamed flash is kinda a menace to have around in that beta probably

[feral vine]

You cannot make them sit, so they teleport to you constantly.

And still have the parrot 'seek to sit on shoulder' AI so might not live that long consdiering the testing I do.

[ashen wind]

It's also with the same stats as a parrot so it's likely to be hit by the same turrets it hijacks

[feral vine]

No beastiary section of the new Field Guide for the updated documentation.

So I only have info on the familar behavior, no features of the worker.

[ashen wind]

If it's not going to be a mess in the play test, it basically is a sentry helper

Takes control of nearby adjustable turrets and points them to its target, then triggers them

Which means that the turrets need to aim decently for it to be an usable feature

[feral vine]

Well, my aviary is not short on avians.

[ashen wind]

I don't remember if the red dye variant was added in that ver

Anyway, they don't have the wand linking implemented yet so they literally take over all the turrets in their range if they see an hostile mob

[feral vine]

that would be unforutnate for me as the only ones I have are part of rather delicate farms.

Like the precisely timed awkward potion processing facility that powers the melding setup providing source to the whole Drygmy Den.

[ashen wind]

That's why I didn't add the taming yet 😛

The wand thing is in the indev, I will upload a new ver when I get home

[feral vine]

Don't rush. It's a US Holiday. I tried going into work but the doors were locked.

[ashen wind]

If it's holiday, more people are likely to play so that excuse doesn't work

[feral vine]

😜

[ashen wind]

It would be a matter of few taps from phone if using nodecraft panel was good.

The jar is already built on maven afterall

[feral vine]

Not used Maven. I stopped working in Java long before that was a thing.

[ashen wind]

Basically Jared hosts (for us) the jars built from each commit to GitHub, source included

[feral vine]

Do a lot of other SW distro systems, but officially being a dev again after 25 years of electronic janitor probably means it's not that weird.

[ashen wind]

You can reach the page to download them from the readmes

[feral vine]

That's nice of him. Hosting costs da monies.

I run my own servers and my DNS + SSL cert renewals hit recently. Costs. Always costs.

[ashen wind]

For addevs, it allows to pull the source code as dependencies for example

[feral vine]

Eidolon stuff looks normal on a minecraft map. Maluum corrupted trees use the default green, but the gunk dirt shows up a proper nasty black.

Also, having a base large enough to requires multiple minecraft maps to document is new to me. I'm normally a one-chunk-base player.

[worthy prism]

Does the Nullify Defense glyph belong before or after the damaging effect? I’m thinking in the context of a [PropHoming] type of spell

[ashen wind]

well, it shouldn't change that much but probably before?

will make sure the iframes are reset right before hitting with damage

[worthy prism]

That was my thought, but then I read the descriptions, and it made me second guess

[ashen wind]

in a normal setting, one would probably use smth like

but according to the gatling standard, one tries to maximize the number of projectiles, so just ensure each deal damage at least once (aoe of the burst >>>> amp on the harm when spell power is added)

[north heron]

I'd put it afterwards

but i don't think it changes anything

if you don't have too many projectiles putting it before might be better

[worthy prism]

Well, Burst + AOEx3 + Nullify+ Lightning was enough to kill 2 Withers and have about 40% of the spell left over to lag the server, so I’m trying to revise the spell to be useful

[stark condor]

Just had an idea.

You know how water focus makes summon horse summon a dolphin?

Summon wolves with water focus to summon a friendly guardian

"I cast summon bigger fish"

[worthy prism]

I don’t remember which addon has Resize, but that would be a really fun interaction here too

Summon Horse + Focus: Elementally-appropriate Passive Mob as a mount.
Summon Wolves + Focus: Elementally-appropriate Hostile Mob (tamed) as mount.

Following it with Resize + or would then change the mount’s size.

[feral vine]

Bunch of players with pet ravagers running a raid just for ravager vs ravager fights.

[ashen wind]

I wanted to add more summons but with the current system they will probably remain flawed, so I always delay to when the core duo will settle on how to rework them

[feral vine]

Would a Summon Wolves + Air Focus summon a Phantom or a Vex? We can already get Vex from something else, IIRC.

[ashen wind]

Wolves get a power up from the bangles iirc

So a focus variant of that glyph should remain a compatible one

Like, literal wolf variants instead of changing type of summon entirely

Summon Bees and Summon Slimes should be their own glyph

Phantoms are probably terrible as allies

Their AI is basically to hover, circle a few times and then crash against the mob

Their only pro is being hard to hit

[feral vine]

All summons in Minecraft except the Vex and the skeleton are poo for combat.

And skeletons really depend on having massively increased survivability along with tipped arrows to make use of their dead-eye cheaty shooting.

[sharp parcel]

I think it would be nice to have Summon axolots if you use Summon wolves with a water focus.
Get a summon bees with an air focus, summon magma cube with a fire focus (it would be the small ones) and summon silver fish with an earth focus.

Additionally, I am eagerly awaiting the 1.22 update. They finally have mounts for all elements.

[feral vine]

What element would a zombie horse be?

[opaque vine]

Likely anima still

[shell cove]

Anima yea

[feral vine]

I built an aquarium with 47 quality. I'm getting nothing but trash loot. I need a lot more Sirens. I'd get more stuff, too, but it doesn't look like the Sirens care about the aquatic creatures from Critters and Companions, which is 90% of the water creatures in Witch Hazel: Halloween Magic.

Although they really do seem to like the 'tamed' Drowned I got from Coral Tombstone.

[sharp parcel]

I would like the Anima steed to swap between skeleton and Zombie horse on each casting.

[opaque vine]

That would be cool

Better yet use to allow iy

It

[feral vine]

Can an observer not see the changes in a Fluid jar? I don't seem to be able to get any kind of redstone readout from one

Ah, I can use a comparator through a block. Looks like that's about it.

This is some super extra jank redstone.

oberver chain watching a piston. Piston is kept up by a comparator reading an almost empty jar. If the jar hits 1k water, the comparator reads a 0, piston drops and the chain fires. A turret picks up 2 buckets of water because of the double signal an observer sends.

Turret is just ray > sensitive x2 > pickup fluid. Pointed at an infinite water source.

Power is a nearby fluid sourcelink sitting on top of a cow in a jar.

[main cypress]

Found a crash with Ars Elemental on version 7.6.0, looks like it was caused by looking up the texture atlas a little early. I can send the crashlogs if needed.

[ashen wind]

The heck

Send yeah

[main cypress]

Will do.

https://mclo.gs/bqzapFA

[opaque vine]

Congratulations you are the first recorded crash of the new update
Your prize is help from a confused dev

Idk

[main cypress]

lol

[ashen wind]

Argh, it shipped the wrong version of Sauce

[heavy sleet]

new anima essence is looking good

[ember bear]

Quick question, can opponents that get inflicted by Minecraft's freezing effect be damaged by cold snap?

[ashen wind]

That's up to base ars

Unsure to be honest?

The conditions should be either slowed by or afflicted by chilling (which increases buildup gradually), I don't remember if there's one that simply checks for the buildup of powder snow

[ember bear]

I said that because of the fact that the Ars Flavors and Delight mod addon adds foods that give the freezing potion effect (in other words allows spells to do freezing damage) and I was wondering if I can abuse it in order to make more complex cold snap spells

[ashen wind]

Well my bad, chilling is the name of the thread

Which applies the freezing

Which allows to hit

[ember bear]

A second question, can normal freezing damage build up to the Frozen status effect or is it only available if you equip the Major Focus of Water?

[ashen wind]

It should be specific to either + a water focus or a tier3 chilling thread

Major foci are just for passives and no drawbacks, glyph interactions work with the lesser too

[ember bear]

I think that + T3 Chilling Thread can probably also give Frozen since gets freezing inflicted targets to max freezing build up, but I'll do a few tests when I get the time just to be safe

From my part that is

[ashen wind]

might not proc immediately but since any dmg glyph trigger that type of threads, as soon as the buildup is enough another snap can add frozen yeah

[ember bear]

Sounds interesting, I'll try to keep that in mind

[ember bear]

Does the Nullify Defense Glyph exist in 1.20.1 Ars Elemental?

[ashen cargo]

Doesn't need to 🙂

[ashen wind]

No because there was the heal-hellfire combo

[ember bear]

Does the kindling thread unlock hellfire damage in 1.20.1 or was it patched?

[opaque vine]

It was removed in 121

[ember bear]

I see.

Thanks for the info

[opaque vine]

Of course!

[ember bear]

Quick question, do you know if Hellfire/Magefire increase or reduce healing in 1.20.1?

[opaque vine]

It does not

[ashen wind]

If it's called hellfire it reduces healing

[opaque vine]

Oh I didn't know that

[ashen wind]

If it's called mage fire burn it increase healing

As it was a sort of nerf attempt

[opaque vine]

However will eliminate the health gain entirely while leaving the damage

[ashen wind]

Hex already reduces healing so it will help anyway

[opaque vine]

Wait does this carry over to 121?

[ember bear]

So the best way of figuring it out for sure would be to literally yeet a spell on myself.

Sounds like something I'd do in an Ars Elemental playthrough lol

[ember bear]

Wouldn't life link be theoretically better in an i-frame skip tech since you're not only ending up healing yourself out of the spell, you're also cutting off 50% of the opponent's healing as well (since that 50% is given to you)

[opaque vine]

Healing is shared not split iirc

[ember bear]

I was wrong then since I didn't have hexing in my build and I thought that I had Life Link (when I actually had a Holy Locket necklace from Relics that does the effect I thought Life Link does)

[ashen wind]

People used life link too sometimes yeah, the healing is split, but hex reduce healing and increase damage

[shell cove]

Me personally I use life link

It’s a great way to stay alive during the chaos that is modded fights

[ember bear]

Another Life Link enthusiast I see 🗿

[shell cove]

Turns out it works real great with anything that weakens you

In terms of defense

[scarlet pebble]

The light and heavy versions of the elemental armours seem to be missing their tags.

[slow zealot]

this spell crashes the game for some reason

[ashen wind]

Uh, I can't see how on its own

Crash log?

[slow zealot]

it was on a server, i dont think i can get those

leme ask

[ashen wind]

Ask if they can put it on one of the sites like mclo.gs

[whole arrow]

@slow zealot

:notepad_spiral: Log Sharing

Upload your log file to mclo.gs so that people can help easier, not everyone is on their PC all the time and having a easily formatted searchable link is much easier for debugging.

Where can I find my logs?

Go to your instance or .minecraft folder and upload the logs/latest.log file

How about crash reports?

Crash reports can be found in your instance or .minecraft folder under the crash-reports sub-folder. This is only made when a crash is registered, so if it doesn't exist that's fine.

Noticed a problem?

Please raise an issue with @lyric echo

[slow zealot]

the current theory is that the buble sheild is interacting with the poison spores somehow to cause a loop

[ashen wind]

The shield doesn't have anything that might cause spores to proc again, it's more likely that some kind of math shenanigan happened imho

[heavy sleet]

erm...

why it no cast in front?

Projectile works fine, but seemingly any Touch spell gets cast in the wrong direction

The animation is also always north/south, not in the direction of casting

[ashen wind]

Try relinking it?

[heavy sleet]

have been using this setup for a while now, but just broke/replaced the turret today and I think that updated something

[ashen wind]

The turret to the block

[heavy sleet]

yeah, relinking doesn't do anything.

[ashen wind]

You understood I meant like with an adjustable turret, right?

Cause they were more like normal turrets before

[heavy sleet]

ya

[ashen wind]

Uh, there must be some leftover

[heavy sleet]

😄

[ashen wind]

Likely taking from the old behavior

That is based on the blockstate

[heavy sleet]

for clarity, when I set this up they were adjustable too

[ashen wind]

I guess if you place the turret facing somewhere else, they will only use that direction

[heavy sleet]

pretty sure it broke as of this update

[ashen wind]

You were not touching the betas, right?

[heavy sleet]

I was, yeah

[ashen wind]

Cause it was added in one of the first betas then never touched again

[heavy sleet]

hrm

[ashen wind]

(of 0.7.6 I mean)

Will try to check indev btw

[heavy sleet]

these guys were set up around the same time as that other one was originally

they work fine

nope, nevermind, lol. not working fine either. It's shooting up in the air and this other one is hitting the wrong direction too

[slow zealot]

They think this is it https://mclo.gs/SrwyUmJ

[ashen wind]

The log would point to OPAC trying to cancel an event not marked as cancellable

Or maybe it's a Mixin

Anyway, according to that even just might trigger the crash

[heavy sleet]

btw Alex, I was watching my manipulation turrets some more yesterday and noticed that the shooting point for a projectile is similarly offset.

For example, I have one set up shooting straight up. If I have a block placed on the East side of the turret, the projectile will hit it instead of going up.

[ashen wind]

oh i just commited the fast fix

[ashen wind]

it was using the base turret map to execute the casting method

https://maven.blamejared.com/com/alexthw/sauce/sauce-1.21.1/0.0.12.38/sauce-1.21.1-0.0.12.38.jar

it's a sauce piece of code so you can try simply using this

[heavy sleet]

alright, will restart here and check that out

yep, that seems to have fixed the touch spells at least. The Projectile/Missile spell is still offset, however

[ashen wind]

ok, building another one

https://maven.blamejared.com/com/alexthw/sauce/sauce-1.21.1/0.0.12.39/

[heavy sleet]

ah, sorry forgot to come back and check on this 😄 Feel free to ping me for this stuff

testing it now

hrm, no, same behavior as above. projectile beam's starting coordinate is offset

actually, it's using Missile if that changes anything

touch is still working correctly though. Going where it's expected anyway

[ashen wind]

only for missile and not projectile?

[heavy sleet]

I only tried missile, since that's what my setup is using. Will retry with projectile too

yep, projectile looks fine. just missile

[ashen wind]

odd, it behaves like projectile on my side

[ashen wind]

anyway i uploaded a new ver of NEG to up the version of sauce and add the two spell crit threads

there was a little offset thing wrong but it was only tied to the y so idk

[opaque vine]

spell crit you say

[slow zealot]

i want to find a flashjack, but the book says they spawn in flashing archwood forests... which dont seem to exist

[north heron]

they also spawn in regular archwood forests on the yellow trees!

(i assume you meant flashpine)

[slow zealot]

ah

flashjack, its a familliar

bird like

[lyric echo]

They should exist? Or maybe need to be enabled in config?

[slow zealot]

seems to not have a dimension

OH ARCHWOOD RITUAL

[lyric echo]

Yeah, these can all be enabled in configs I'm pretty sure, they're enabled on our test server

[ashen wind]

Yeah they're opt-in as it's all wip content that is not essential

Jack doesn't have a fully finished work yet

To get it as a familiar, the conjure biome + summon animals is enough as it should spawn one very easily

[slow zealot]

Thanks for the summon animals tip, i remembered the biome ritual tho

[slow zealot]

are the elemental mages hostile or not, they throw spells at me but they dont do anything

[ashen wind]

Ah, weird

[slow zealot]

well actually they sometimes hit be with shocked 3

[ashen wind]

I wonder if I disabled something for testing, to watch them fight safely

[slow zealot]

ive tried 4 summon animals and it hasnt spawned one

ive gotten basically every other familiar that can spawn in forest type biomes but not the biome specific one

[slow zealot]

do flarecannons supposedly spawn in the blazing archwood forests?

(i say supposedly because i still havent found a flashjack

[ashen wind]

No, they are constructs, they don't spawn

[slow zealot]

ah... how get?

[ashen wind]

I guess I'll have to double check that summon animal ritual in flashing forest

Craft the charm directly

[slow zealot]

...man im dumb

[feral vine]

I know you can spawn a flashjack with Summon Animals at least works in vanilla forest types and Oh The Biomes You've Gone forests from the Ars test server.

[slow zealot]

How many rituals did it take

[slow zealot]

funny thing about anima bangles, you can heal people really well but also really unethically

like

this is because the hit doesnt need to do damage in order to proc the heal/wither chance

[feral vine]

Third or fourth, I think, for the first each time. But I did like dozens testing each of the biomes with forest tags.

the problem with the Summon animals ritual is the huge variety of stuff that spawns at high frequency in even unmodded forests.

some mods get around things like that by including code to force certain outcomes under conditions of like, "this person has no flashjack familiar and never tamed one so the first spawn is 100% a flashjack". You might hear them called "Pity Timers"

Blizzard was well known for using these in game design.

Becuase if it were truely random, loosing every single time forever is a perfectly valid outcome. But that's reality. And this? This is a game.

[dawn forum]

Does 1.21 still have iframes bypass other than Nullify Defense?

[lyric echo]

No

[dawn forum]

Thanks

I have another question about the mana shield effect, it said something about removing negative effects but it doesn't seem to work?

[ashen wind]

Doesn't remove but prevent iirc

[dawn forum]

I splashed myself with a bad potion and still got the effect

[ashen wind]

I wonder if it was percentage based...

Need to change that or the docs

[potent hound]

Why cant i craft Nullify Defense, even if its enabled in the config?

[ashen cargo]

You also need to enable the recipe in the ars_elemental common (?) or server config, unsure which one it is

[potent hound]

allright will try ty

is it frame_skip_recipe ?

yup it was ty for helping

[ashen cargo]

Happy to help 🙂

[ember bear]

Spell Crit?

[opaque vine]

Spell crit

[ember bear]

👀

[dawn forum]

Anyone encountered problems with the infused turrets always facing West no matter what you do?

even the rotate spell doesn't work

[ashen wind]

in newest vers you can use the wand to make them aim in the direction you want

[dawn forum]

ooh nice

[dawn forum]

Do bangle effects on hitting an enemy stack?

[ashen wind]

like different bangles? they should

[dawn forum]

if its the same bangle though

does it last longer or do nothing

[ashen wind]

does the same thing twice

so like if one of the two does nothing, except for anima one

that one is chance based

[dawn forum]

so water, fire, earth that give effects to hit enemy don't really benefit?

[ashen wind]

the on-hit effects no

only the elemental spell damage bonus

[slow zealot]

anima band is silly

[opaque vine]

Gambling wither effect

[slow zealot]

I've been using it has +4 max hp

And healing on hit with an autoclicker

[dawn forum]

Does envenom+poison spores work on undeads only when wearing an Earth focus?

[opaque vine]

basically

[dawn forum]

Is there a formula for Envenom damage based on the effect level?

[ashen wind]

envenom only?

[dawn forum]

Yeah like how many ticks of damage per second/damage per envenom tick

And I guess Poison Spores too, how much damage that does.

[ashen wind]

i tried to let git copilot do the math, so take it with a pinch of salt:
a = potion level
a = 0: applications every 20 ticks (1 s) → DPS = 2.0
a ≥ 1: capped at one application per 10 ticks (0.5 s) → apps/sec = 2, so DPS(a) = 2 * (2 + 0.25 a) = 4 + 0.5 a

If there were no iframes, it would be like insane dps because it would be dealing 2 + 0.25 a every tick

spores is easier to tell since it's not a dot:
damage += 6 + 2.5 * spellStats.getAmpMultiplier());
damage += 2 + 3 * venom.getAmplifier();
if (livingEntity.getType().is(EntityTypeTags.UNDEAD))
damage *= 1.25F;

[dawn forum]

Was this application per second different in older versions? I saw that the Villager Phylactery build in #1063650997135757393 used Envenomed V even though the only purpose is to repeatedly proc Reactive

[ashen wind]

unlikely

i'd expect envenom 2 to work too

oh i guess it's because of the damage attempt

the effective dps is that because of iframes

but the attempt rate is smth like 32>>a which becomes every 2 tick at a = 4

[full agate]

honestly id prefer if everyone just ignored the phylactery

its quite poorly done

you dont even need poison or whatever

literally just stick their heads in a block

[ashen wind]

monkey paw curls and all the phylactery will have to be redone

[dawn forum]

I think our brains turn off when we feel like we're using a design of someone much smarter than us lol

[full agate]

i regret posting about it tbh

its my longest living thread for bad reasons

[ashen wind]

as Zieg did with the vitalic mob crammer

or Kirin with making the gatling strat viral

[full agate]

petition to delete life link

[dawn forum]

I'm not that active here, only knew about the gattling

[full agate]

even outside of phylactery i find it deeply unbalancing

apply it to the mob youre fighting and you have a free 50% damage reduction on top of thorns

and if they heal then you get free healing too

[dawn forum]

I have a question, which of your Ars build are you the most "proud" of? I'm curios