#ANBERNIC RG Vita, RG Vita Pro
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someone try to import KVM to this thing so it can have os virtualization
iso-ify winXP and run some redneck rampage on it
Isnt that just box86 with extra steps
there are cheap windows rk3566/8 tablets all over asian market, so it might be possible for rk3576 as well
Kvm kinda butts heads with bare metal for box64/virtualbox superiority
Interesting!
There's only so many benchmarks you can do to see how many CPU cycles you lose before you just pick the one that has the best GPU passthrough so the UI doesn't run like ass
wait is there actually a viable way to run windows xp games on such a chip well?
From android yeah.
those chinese laptops are running android?
Maybe a lightweight arch shell with windows running in box64.
I've seen people run Debian out of android with a decent amount of freedom. Never tried myself. I don't doubt you can do the same for windows and spoof some old GPU like an hd4600
I've been considering basically putting together a dedicated win 9x game machine at some point
One day we'll get a decent mt8183 handheld that can do a little of everything. It's one of the few mediatek soc's with full Linux support
Comes baked into ChromeOS
ofc they did, they rely on wizards like Gamma to fix most their problems. You can gladly ask him if he ever received some notable compensation for his work. And no, a couple hundred bucks now and then don't matter. Gamma is single handedly maintaining their devices.
they are just lucky with the CFW rn, without it I wouldn't have bought one of their devices
🔗 PS Vita on Manami Air X:
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🔗 Links to handhelds mentioned in the video:
Anbernic RG Vita Pro:
https://anbernic.com/products/rgvita-rgvita-pro?variant=48248546296065
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It’s a PSP
I was suprised, but with Mali G52 driver and the latest Vita3k it is suprisingly capable for Vita. Huge misses are the triggers (digital and clicky as hell) and the non-transparent shoulder buttons. I can get used to the different d-pad and buttons
would have cost them usd2 more in production cost
but can it play Sword Art Online HR higher than 20 fps?
The sound is not great, would need to try with a fps hack and changing the audio backend
And I don’t know the game, so obviously no clue how it would be later in the game
yeah hollow realization and freedom wars might not be much better
My RG Vita power button is drunk
On the vita3k comp list it says in-game+, which is never a good sign 😉
Ohh 🥴
Kinda like starting a lawnmower
Could take a couple pulls
Works fine once on though
It does need a firm press…
I thought you had also painted it like a lawnmover lol
Looked green-ish on the second pic
Tree edition!! Finally another woodgrain colorway.
Yes, it has been dubbed the RG Treeta (credit elsewhere)
Or the RG Albero della Vita if you're fancy
"spruceOS, probably"
I just found out there is Gamma OS for the t618.......and it was around since the RG505 times..........so why did i sell my 505 back then.............
...
You never used GammaOS there?
505 gammaOS was what made it nice
nope. I didnt know it existed
so i sold it like 3 weeks after getting it and never thought about it again
didnt look at any reviews etc etc with gamam
coz i dont have device
Not everyone knows everything that gets released by everyone
in my case, i knew of Gamma, but i only thought it was t820 and beyond
no clue about the t618
I'm just saying cut you some slack
GammaOS was made for the T618 line. With other stuff being done later
The drivers that the 505 used was kinda mid so GammaOS fixed that by porting the RP3 drivers
still android at the end of the day though 😎
oh ye i prefer linux any day
but we take what we got
good god im showing my age
Pepe is considered old?
so playing vita on this is as bad as I feared mostly because vita itself is bad emulation
Vita is so far from prime time it makes me confused on why Anbernic would even make a vita inspired device at this point
Can't really do much even on much more powerful hardware
My Thor struggles
When I saw vita3k really wasn't progressing like in 2024
I just got a real vita instead (then just earlier this year a pstv cause I like to play on TV more)
ZX was just a fork for devices with different drivers
My neice and nephew does not know who pepe is
Probably for the best lol
How are you finding it? I keep considering doing the same!
About what? The PSTV?
It's been nice playing some exclusives like the Gundam VS
Having it hooked up to a Morph4k scaler at native res
Hear me out. If the base RG Vita were released as the BatleXP G550 horizontal or something I think it would have a chance. Price still sucks but I think more people might have been okay with that.
I think if the price didn't suck far less would care that it wasn't very good at playing Vita games. If it were both called the RG555 and it was reasonably priced, people would be falling over themselves to say that it was a great entry level Android handheld.
For after your review want to see how close we are on what we think of the Vita Pro
The Great: || Ability to have 2 sdcards and hdmi out||
The Good: ||Sticks (wish they were concave) and Screen (there's a bit of ghosting), Supports linux||
The Average || D-pad and buttons (they are too high up so a lot of membrane flex.) ||
The Not Good: || Hot spot on back, the software (it's new right? It has very little documentation so finding things like portmaster wasn't easy) ||
The Bad: || The triggers dig into my hands a bit, the hollow feeling, no analog triggers at this pricepoint ||
literally just get a real vita if you want vita games nothing will run it well
I bought the RG-VITA Pro for Portmaster and Android Ports.
Once we get GammaOS I'm going to port Unity games to Android.
I was not so bothered to even try linux on this one, but the two things they messed up are the non transparent shoulders and the baaaaaad triggers. It is not even that they are clicky as hell, but also the feel
But vita emulation on the pro is as fine as it can be
Dude, yeah. Fairly Odd Parents is considered old. Looney Tunes is ancient.
android on this is rough, if you go into the settings and change some stuff it keeps locking the device after getting unresponsive?
time to reboot, def cannot use it like this
seems like android is unusable on this, keeps freezing at random times and reboots with everything reset lmao
anyone else running into this?
I would bet Linux is the way to go. Even GammaOS Lite on the RGDS is sluggish. Stock was worse.
I totally agree, I was just gonna uninstall all the stuff from android they ship with it and change some settings
planning to use this with linux 98% of the time but didn't expect android to essentially be broken (?), not sure what is going on there
There is GammaOS Nano coming which is even lighter than Lite. So that could be another option for the other 2% of the time
yeah probably
Do you have standard or pro? I did not have any freezes while testing it for about a week.
it's a pro
That is weird…
Depending on hie much config you already did, maybe worth to reset?
I have fully shut it off now and turned it back on a few minutes ago, need to do more testing but it might have been buggy on the first android setup and I only pressed "restart" and it happened again
only time will tell I guess
for sure, if this keeps happening I should try fully resetting
not that I want to do a lot in android anyways just seemed like some weird behavior worth sharing
It is indeed… even for Anbernic Android standards 🤪
update: android keeps crashing for me randomly, just uninstalled some emulators and it froze again while doing it
seems like my android install is cooked, so I guess either resetting or waiting for gammaOS lol
did some more testing for fun, even 10 mins idle on the home screen had android crash and reboot out of nowhere 
I recommend that you reset instead of waiting for gamma. If it is a hardware issue, better to contact Anbernic asap
yeah already did, this time avoided connecting wifi prior to initial setup, maybe something loaded in the background while it was setting up - seems like a potential point of failure
Hey @dapper ivy I'll send you a DM, interestingly I have some experience
anyone have the RG476H AND the vita pro
and can show me size difference
specifically thickness
?
https://retrocatalog.com/compare/anbernic-rg-vita-pro/anbernic-rg-476h
Don't forget this site (2.6mm thickness difference, bigger on the RG Vita)
Compare specifications, features and performance of Anbernic RG Vita Pro vs. Anbernic RG-476H, and visualize the size difference
update 2: seems like the android shenanigans are over for me, have not had any more issues after factory resetting and NOT connecting wifi until the anbernic setup fully completed (you reach home screen) and I additionally uninstalled everything possible to uninstall on the device (not sure if necessary)
I used the developer settings and the USB debugging to delete some system apps (aka anbernic bloat) via a connected PC
as I said initially do not plan to really use android a lot but now it's fairly minimal and clean if I ever need to go there
no i ment
physical
specs and words dont mean squat to me
altho 2.6mm usually means its negligible
I do have both, but my 476H is off with a family member for the week. Or forever if they're being sneaky and trying to liberate it from my clutches. If no one else here shares pics, I'll try do so in a few days for you
i mean i dont understand it in words
it needs to be like
T618 is weaker than T820
giving me things like: A73 cores is faster than A57 etc
that doesnt mean anything to me
Don't worry, I'm just poking fun!
ma bad, kinda hard to tell as message
also where ma cat
appreciated it! ye, thickness i cant really tell, but the width........... noticable
She's chilling!
omg this is beautiful
Ciri was a rescue cat, in 2022 (Covid times!)
The surprising thing was that the photos on the rescue site were quite poor quality, so when I went and picked her up, turns out she's a fairly rare breed. She is a Khao Manee, which weren't even seen outside of Thailand until 1999! They were a cat breed for royalty waaaaay back when.
Anyway, sadly she was used for 'kitten farming' which is horrendous, but she's well and truly a happy little fellow these days 🙂
kitten farming
wtf
that is disgusting
glad she is in a happy home
you could just like... learn new things
I could..or I can ask the many wonderful and knowledgeable people here and learn this way 😊
I put together a list of games, if you guys are interested
🎮 Previous video on the Anbernic RG Vita Pro:
https://youtu.be/Ij51Aht2RUo?si=4pljtbFX_X5UW2Lh
🎮 PS Vita Games on the Anbernic RG Vita Pro (USD 140-150) – Vita3K Showcase
After taking a deep dive into the Anbernic RG Vita Pro in my last video,
today we’re focusing on what really matters:
👉 How well does it actually run PS Vita g...
basically only Uncharted and WRC 5 I would consider as NOT playable
let me know if you want a specifc game tested. I might have already done it and can give you a feedback
Can you do the Trails of Cold Steel games?
Marvel vs Capcom 3
that's a rough one compatibility-wise. been seeing it show up in snapdragon videos though
might be worth trying since it updated a month ago:
https://github.com/ikhoeyZX/Vita3K-Android/releases
Great work I'm watching it now!
You’re welcome
https://github.com/Vita3K/Vita3K/releases/tag/continuous
Upstream vita3k builds for android now
So maybe we'll get playable MvC and DoA5 after all
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portmaster games like Gravity Circuit look absolutely great on this screen
Should be getting my pro today
What cap is that
Odin 2 Portal
like you replaced the actual sticks or just a cover?
i havn't tried removing the sticks from the vita
Just the caps on the sticks
I just replaced the sticks in my ex8 though
I was going to open up the Vita but I couldn't find a way to get into it with the tools I had at the time without marring it up so... It's just without screws right now until I figure out a way in.
I want to investigate my drunken power button.
are those buyable somewhere?
DO NOT SHOW ME THIS
these two devices seem to be permanently down $10 lmao
Stock vita score on stock firmware: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/compute/6168209
vs GammaOS: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/compute/6271526
Benchmark results for an Anbernic RG VITA Pro with an ARM ARMv8 processor.
Benchmark results for an unknown GammaOS Next Lite with a Rockchip RK3576 processor.
I wish Anbernic employed you so they’d ship a decent firmware out of the box. That would be the most fair thing to do from them tbh
Then we’d never get gamma for any other company’s devices. So no thanks. I’d rather be patient and get it when it’s ready.
well, in my mind this is fair for you, but not for Gamma. He's the one doing all the work.
Haha well I’ve heard him say he would rather stay independent like he is now.
I respect that. He is very passionate and would probably not like to limit his GammaOS to Anbernic only. Still, they should pay him (more). 🙂
Yeah hopefully he is compensated fairly. For what it’s worth, I’m happy to support him via Patreon because at least that way, I know I’m doing what I can to compensate him for all his efforts that benefit me. Fair is fair.
He gets every device free and also the upcoming ones.
I'm pretty sure he already has the RG Rotate
Maybe that’s something, but for me it makes Patreon even more important for his support.
But yeah he deserves it 👍
People gotta live and can’t do this stuff for free forever.
who profits from that? Think harder 😉
It's like "hey, you're the guy who makes everyone buy our devices, here's a 100$ device" lol
That's not payment dude 😭
They gave him those devices so he can work on it
Dang. Congrats. Happy for you
Who said I bought it?
I'd argue the RP5 is a better deal when it goes on a big sale but I like the ergonomics
And many people don't
I do not like the ergonomics due to my man hands
There are sales for the RP5 ?
Most say the ergonomics are mid to pretty horrible on the RP5 too
There were sales. I got mine around 150 5 months ago
The grip makes it better for those that don't like how it comes and retroid color matches them
Of course it’s better with grips ( just about every handheld is ) but you didn’t mention you used grips , $150 is a great deal
The big AliExpress discounts are almost exclusive to USA only.
I don't use grips on my RP5 , out of curiosity I used a color matched a grip to my teal G2
But it's the same shape
Good to know
Joined the club, decent timing with gammaOS dropping and recommending a heatsink for the overclock. I might flash that and see if android is a little more usable after.
could you tell me the measurements please ? i saw these on amazon , 5 mm thickness would be ok?
I got 17x17x3mm from ali express
thank you
very brave of them to not put at least a spreader box over the cpu
even the vita had spreader plates that you could add extra paste beneath to make sure the chips didn't go super toasty
hate to be that guy, but those aren't heat spreader plates, those are RF shields
people do a lot of crazy stuff
iirc the steam deck also had some shielding in it can't remember if it was for the wifi module or smth else
either way those thin stamped metal plates don't have a lot of mass or heat capacity anyways so this seems pretty silly
SD uses a heatpipe to a finned heatsink cooled by a fan
this is more similar to the switch, it has an rf shield over the CPU, and then the heatsink on top of the rf sheld
you don't really see that a lot though, every boundary is inefficient
where and what the code
I’ll be honest , at that price Id rather pay slightly more and get the RG476H

Looking at Gamma's numbers. He set the clock to 2.2Ghz. Then I looked at the AI answer. Why wasn't it already at 2.2Ghz?
oh I know, I was saying the SD had some foil or a plate to shield a component
meanwhile Smith convinced me to grab the 477m
i went from spending 140 to 160 to 240 before ship to play PS1
what is this hobby
Still not worth it
Best choice IMHO. The fan on the 477m is unbearable. Still don't really like the d-pad on either, but that is a minoriy view.
the only hardcore PS2 game i wanna play is god of war 2
and i dont think additional 80 worth it just to play 1 game
Nvm
dw two weeks later imma be like
I WANT THE VITA PRO FOR LINUX
Thats me. i have the rg 477v + the rg vita pro comes tommorrow
Nice. Will eventually get to try it. I hope that the performance increases will help for those 2-3 additional frames required for vita3k
The ANBERNIC RG VITA and RG VITA Pro both models feature a stunning 16:9 aspect ratio display, making them the perfect fit for modern AAA titles without any black bars.
Thanks to their powerful hardware decoding, streaming is incredibly smooth with near-zero latency. It's perfect for streaming AAA masterpieces and enjoying a handheld gaming exp...
How do I know this wasn't posted by whoever hacked their account?
Could be a psyop

"You can stream games" is a huge flex here. Imma going to get me one of those new Anbernicks so I can do this activity that definitely cannot be done on other devices.
Everytime the triggers are clicked the whole house will hear it and the streaming is over lol
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I'm currently cross-compiling a port for my RG-VITA Pro! 😁👍
Hey @blissful parcel according to mishimaker Anbernic added an AI graphics handler. What are your thoughts on this?
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huh. looks like the rk3576 is even stronger than the weird UMS9230S in the k56
I'd argue that the performance will be somewhat lighter but around the same ball park as the T618.
https://gadgetversus.com/processor/unisoc-ums9230-vs-unisoc-tiger-t618/
Nevermind 😐
i wonder what people's most played games will be on the vita pro
Portmaster and Android ports for me.
Really haven’t since I didn’t buy it
Warlord already told me.
I got a question, and I hope I can explain it right. I’m thinking about getting a vita pro, and I want to play around with the dual OS. If I have an old sd card that I used for my dual setup with muOS on one card, and a blank card I inserted into it before putting my ROMs on, would that ROM card work on the Linux side of the vita pro?
the rom card would "work" as in it can be recognised, but the folder layout probably won't match up
if you changed the folders to match up to the Vita Pro and Linux OS you are using, it could be made work on all your devices
Ok, I’ll probably have to learn more about. I’ve been collecting handhelds for awhile but still feel very much like a novice when it comes to working with the software. I thought the layout was already the same, because when I put the blank card into like a 35xx sp or something, it recognized the Linux folder layout, and then I put all my ROMs on it. That card was meant to be used between all the xx devices I have.
I might have misunderstood but I think the folder structure is only shared between Linux that uses Emulation Station
I might not have explained it well lol.
Probably the best way to find out would be to get a vita pro and stick the sd card into the Linux slot 🤣
yeah that works because muOS doesn't care about your folder structure
think of the vita pro in it's current state like this: if you got SD1 inserted it will attempt to boot from it first (this is where the anbernic stock linux OS lives by default) and I think choosing knulli or muOS for it is a decent choice
if SD1 is not inserted it will boot into android on internal storage but that is also the janky anbernic android build
the second SD slot for a potential SD2 with games, media, etc. can be seen by both, should be formatted to be exFAT - I currently use the Knulli alpha so I ran that with a blank formatted SD2 in there and let emulation station populate all the folders where they need to be - if you do this you can then also point android emulators to those same ROM folders if you boot into android with SD1 not present
the upside is that muOS doesn't care about folder structure so whenever that is ready for use with the vita pro it should be even easier to manage this stuff
my current plan is to flash gammaOS lite onto the internal storage to have a cleaner android experience even if it will be a fallback for me
and I got the Knulli alpha on SD1 as my daily driver / main operating system but I will probably switch to muOS once that is ready for prime time
this is still gonna take some time I imagine but ultimately the combo of muOS + gammOS lite sounds pretty good to me and given both operating systems live on their own separated storage gives great flexibility so you can mess with them and have all your media on a shared second SD
That is exactly what I was thinking when I heard this device ran android and linux. I wanted to use muOS for sure, and then when I heard gamma was coming I wanted to try that too.
obviously cannot confirm what will come out or not but seems like CFW devs are making good progress for that to become possible
Hoping it’s true. Makes me want the vita pro even more lol
did anybody get GameNative to work on gammaOS lite? for me it freezes after steam login even after device reboot, seems like it just crashes and hangs
I think it’s time to retire the bitch session chat since the devices have hit the US warehouse@dry kelp
This gif is why the ram and SSD/storage is so expensive 😭
Any advice with the rg vita pro? No one mentioned one little details in all the coverage online - no play store on the android side. Wanted to slap Fate: Grand Order on it as well as ES-DE. Fate needs Google play services. 😓
Install Gamma OS
It's got a bunch of optimization, overclocking and fixes and the Play Store is enabled too if you do the full build
Many thanks
I mean I have no idea why GameNative and Moonlight doesn't work for me on the android side of gammaOS lite, I just stopped using it for now
if anybody has some insights let me know, but for those 2 google services shouldn't be needed as they worked on the standard anbernic android too which had no playstore either 🤔
How did you replace the caps lol
Mine just arrived
Does the vita pro caps actually come off?
I tried pulling on it but it doesn't feel like it comes off like the Odin mini does
yes
might be a bit harder to get them off initially but I was able to do it without a ton of force and just using my fingers for reference
Yeah I just pulled them off
I don't recall them being too bad
Instant upgrade
Could you share logcat logs by any chance?
I can look into it in the coming days, yeah
is this nano or normal Android boot?
how? never seen this
Normal android esde
Using a software called UMDGen on PC to extract the isos
Oh, I see, I thought there was some software to automatically load them from the images. ok thanks for clarifying 🙂
theres a gamma nano now?
Yep:)
yeah it's microAndroid
imagine if you rip almost all of android out and replace it with a simpler ui/os to only run applications you tell it to
this should mean alot of overheads are removed, which means less ram and cpu intensive which means more performance?
in theory anyways
Yup
It’s also Gamma’s answer to bad sleep on some devices
It quickens the startup and can boot directly into a game
so.............1.5x possible on the t820 devices across all PS2 games...........?
maybe but probably not, there's always outliers
1.5?
if you destroy my hopes then i will continue to be capitalist
PS2 i mean
yeah I already know of games that don't run at 1.5x on higher end devices
Starwars Racer Revenge has issues with lens flares and that game has a lot of em
That's more to do with the emulator
Tomorrow i send my petition to sacrifice higher wages for tri screen device
Can't really do much about that
yup unavoidable so the doggo becomes capitalist, or more so
at least im not sacrificing universal healthcare
yet
it is incredibly important
cry
until mama Doggo recovers
then i make sure she on health insurance
then back to sacrificing it
Is it unheard of to use the vita pro as a game emulator and, what do kids call it these days, a DAP? Lol I want to use it to play games and music. Trying to go somewhat analog.
DAP?
I thought I saw it on here. Think it stands for “Digital Audio Player” or “Designated Audio Player”. I wasn’t entirely sure what it was called.
oh like an MP3 player
i mean you could
altho i use my miyoo mini for that coz its smaller
The deeper I dive into the hobby the more I learn about it. The idea of having android and Linux piques my curiosity and makes me want to add to my collection. I’m trying to find the perfect mix of EDC, so I wanted to try and use it that way.
I’m old school though because the only way I’ve ever added mp3s is ripping the cd through iTunes and putting it on an iPod.
So how do you make a device into a music player?
uhhh, i didnt go that far
i just load the music onto an SD card
and use the Miyoo mini to play them with headphones on lol
lol that makes sense. I’m probably just over thinking.
i do use a portable usb C dac
so it power output into the headphones
the dac/amp fixes most of the issues relating to sound. codecs, chambers and stuff
there are a few music related portmaster apps
guess i need to find the smallest rocknix/dArkOS device now
A mini sale ... so everything is like ... 1% off?
nah.
its the same price as their normal day to day discounted prices
they just think we dont know 🤣
I would think the vita is kinda big for that. Something like the TrimUI brick is very good in terms of size, has both Bluetooth and 3.5mm jack, and you can get a huge sd card to hold all your retro games and songs.
There are usually music apps that one can run whether on Android or various Linux cfws.
Well I guess it boils down to 3 things: 1)I wasn’t sure how big it was or how it fits in pockets (I tend to wear pants/shorts with big pockets). 2) I’m used to other devices that are a little bigger. and 3) I wanted to get it to tinker around with it.
I'm waiting for Songo to get ported
Fair enough.
But really any device probably has a way to play music or install a cfw that can
I'm very picky about my music apps needing to have full controller gamepad support
What’s Songo? Sounds interesting.
Songo#5 is a music player
I’ll have to look into it more then.
It started off for the Linux sbcs like muOS
Dev is in the process of porting it to android
A New Music Player for the R36S is Here - Clean, Simple and Most Importantly FAST! Easy to Install and Use!
Reddit Thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/comments/1qnijs7/this_is_songo5_a_music_player/
Portmaster: https://portmaster.games/games.html
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0:31 Downloading & Installing
2:39 L...
Dash wrote about it the other day
https://gardinerbryant.com/the-full-interview-behind-songo-5s-expansion-across-firmware-and-android/
On Android, it's only like PowerAmp with gamepad support
Even then the UI wasn't made for a controller
Blatant self-promotion by sharing an article I did a few days back with Riley who created Songo#5! Songo has quickly become my favorite music player for handhelds!
Oh jinx, thanks for sharing! I was catching up further up, replied with my article, now I see you shared this! 🙂
Yeah, I’ll definitely look into it! Got a few emulators hanging around lol.
Riley has a channel for Songo in the PortMaster discord too, if you wanted to drop by his world and see what has been happening!
I do now, got one for Artemis / "Diana" crashing and one for GameNative hanging/crashing/not properly closing:
So you bought those clear analog caps I've shared with you I see. 😁
I cant order these , aliexpress says these dont deliver to my location..
I didn't use the direct link posted because it wasn't available for me either. Looked at different shops with the "find similar" thing on aki
you know...
if max really wanted to sell the rk3576, make a cheaper version of the rgSlide
Would sell well with linux support too
keep the same exact heatsink too but remove the fan
I dunno if that would sell lol
The bulky design was the issue for most people as far as I could tell
It's not the width and length but the thickness of the device
Like if you meant a new design but just take the PSP go sliding mechanic then I could see it working
I heard the bulk of the weight was under the screen so when it slides up more of the weight is hanging over your fingers. So it takes more effort than usual to prop it up and hold it.
So ergonomics are even worse than normal
so it's face-heavy
Exactly. It wants to rotate over your fingers and out of your hand.
wait a sec. is the slide 3:2?
4:3
maybe it's the bezels throwing me off between it and the 406h
which of the music app works best? I head the MPD breaks
no clue, i just know they exist
Rockbox is a true classic and great. Made a couple of videos on how to set it up, changing themes, using a USB DAC etc
And it has a gazillion of themes since it has been around since the iPod days
If you've a Linux device, go install Songo#5! By far my fav of all the options! The dev is working on themes next too, and porting to Android soon. Ugh I love it so much
So Rockbox and Songo? Hmmm... Thank you @fossil rose and @brittle pivot ! 
As an example:
Your Retro Handheld Is a GREAT Music Player 🎧 | NextUI, USB DAC & Bluetooth
https://youtu.be/ESTirS_yhfw
IMPORTANT LINKS
▶️ Original TrimUI Brick Hammer video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCO-hq6G_B4
🔧 NextUI OS (GitHub):
https://github.com/LoveRetro/NextUI
🎵 Rockbox info & themes:
https://github.com/IncognitoMan/rockbox/blob/master/docs/README.md
🔤 Rockbox font pack:
https://download.rockbox.org/release/4.0/rockbox-fonts-4.0.z...
Same process, more or less, in every portmaster instance
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