ANBERNIC RG Vita, RG Vita Pro

[spring orchid]

did he actually

[inner parrot]

Yeah, still have my og rpmini - the screen issue never bothered me too much, but been hoping they follow through on that one

[chrome gale]

Now that's an urban legend I can get behind

[sour olive]

It's allegedly set to release this year

It would literally be a game changer

[tacit tartan]

I thouht this was RG vita chat ?

[edgy hatch]

You would

[raw ice]

inb4 it's 60hz and the g1 chip from the rp classic for $199

[sour olive]

4:3 OLED though

[raw ice]

I'll take 120hz and a good gpu over oled and a bad one

[sour olive]

It will most likely be 120hz anyway

Says the guy would take a shitty Rockchip

You have low standards to begin with

[raw ice]

I have a conspiracy theory that it's going to be 4.5" so that it's height matched to the 5.5" 16:9 they already use for their own 3ds clone

[frail wadi]

either that or it's for AYN for a potential Thor 2

4.5" is a safe bet since it gives them the most leverage to use it in other handhelds later

[raw ice]

I just hope we get one where dpad top is an option

I care way more about psp and NDS than 3ds

[frail wadi]

rumor has it that Retroid plans for a dual screen device

I hope we get dpad top on that one if it happens

[raw ice]

yeah I'm hoping they're targeting premium NDS over 'thor at home' 3ds clone

but I'm not against the top screen being widescreen if it's a height match and the bottom screen is good

[sour olive]

Bad Takes all around

[raw ice]

the mismatched screen sizes, stick top, and massive protruding triggers (that somehow still aren't comfortable?) were why I didn't go for the thor

[sour olive]

Pope, you're just going to play the same 5 Atari games you play anyways

[lusty adder]

It was set to be released this year but ramocaust put some breaks in these companies. Also , we are some 5 months since the RP6 was announced and they haven't shipped it to everyone yet

[sour olive]

F

[lusty adder]

I didn't go for the Thor because i don't trust Moorechips with a hinge tbh Specially a $300+ hinge

[raw ice]

that's fair

I still hope we get a 2ds style slab handheld with a big 3:4 portrait screen at some point for NDS and tate arcade

[spring island]

3:4 screen is my dream, dedicated shmup device

[lusty adder]

Perhaps they will do it with the new rockchip they're using , even though the Dimensity would be great tbh
( Copium ) but perhaps Mangmi or Ayaneo can venture into it with their budget line also

[chrome patio]

I would love this. I still have my 2DS but the volume slider and housing are obliterated

[atomic flare]

That’s ma’boiiiiii!!!!!!!

[minor warren]

Magicx has one in the works that looks like a 2DS clone

They released some renders back in December I think. And it's been radio silence ever since

[chrome patio]

Seeing it visualized, maybe not 😂

[raw ice]

Id buy the shit out of that

[near locust]

I can see a copy of the 2ds

[dapper ivy]

getting a vita pro

I can see why people are not impressed by the price to performance but the ergonomics and dual microSD with linux honestly makes it more interesting than an RP5 to me

[fossil rose]

I've not stopped playing mine since I reviewed it. They're a solid handheld, I don't think you'll regret it!

[dapper ivy]

hm, yeah with muOS on the XX devices I have really been shifting more and more to viewing handhelds as an entire package and experience and to me it just seems like the screen and the ergonomics are a sick combo

I can justify not being able to play PS2 and GC on it, the more handhelds I have owned the more I care for the nuances

for example on the 406H I learned android is not for me, and the analogue triggers also had uneven resistance so I feel like digital triggers on this are decent

I only really play big racing games on a full size controller anyways

[chrome gale]

I'm running the Knulli alpha on my vita pro. It's pretty stable as far as Alpha's go

[raw ice]

yeah if I didn't own an rp5 already I'd go vita pro over it tbh

the sticks are simply too close to the other controls.

[chrome patio]

How is ps2?

[chrome gale]

Runs stable but in a quasi-slow motion state. There will have to be a ~40% performance gain to hit the majority of the library

Gamecube was acceptable

But this chipset is so new that there is a chance that they optimize it in the future

[teal sonnet]

Anbernic optimize

[chrome gale]

Hence me using Knulli lol

Just put Rocknix on the RG DS and its like a brand new device

[teal sonnet]

If anything they wait for CFW to do all the important work

[chrome patio]

But they always have solid CFW options available, that's my draw to anbernic. I know their software is bad, but I'm gonna use Knulli anyway

[chrome gale]

If you look at their army of H700 devices, the cool thing about it was that it was easy to port CFW to all of it and then form factor just becomes a preference.

But their secretly downgrading ram recently in revisions has been frustrating to say the least.

[silver idol]

You can also do Dual Screen gaming on it with a TV monitor. Nobody talked about this in their videos.

That's why this Handheld has Dual Display ports.

HD and Display port via USB-C.

[silver idol]

TBF once Vita3K reaches maturity we'll be able to play at least 50% if not 60% of the library on a T618, RK3576, or almost any T618-like chipset.

[silver idol]

Honestly I might buy a Thor light in the future but I'll have to see.

[silver idol]

This is a giving.

[astral burrow]

• Mom, can we get psvita?
• No, we have psvita at home.
• Psvita at home:

[raw ice]

I can't imagine spending that much money on an sd865 now that you can get an s8g2 handheld for $249

the portal has made everything else above $150 look so bad

[silver idol]

I'm incredibly sorry I got sidetracked! Here you go! 😖
I just found this on AliExpress:
For ANBERNIC RG Vita Pro Gaming Handheld Game Machine Screen Protectors for RG Vita Protective PET Soft Film Cover
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mNhCazL

[silver idol]

Fair however I'd be buying it for the form factor not the chipset. Plus I already have the Odin 2 Portal Pro Model.

[silver idol]

Can't wait for my Vita to come in.

[raw tartan]

even better:

[fossil rose]

When is it due to be delivered? I'm interesting in how you find it

[silver idol]

@fossil rose Within the next week.

[fossil rose]

Exciting!!!

[silver idol]

In the mean time I need to update my other Portmaster Handhelds.

[chrome patio]

I hope they do another revision when supplies aren't so strained

[little crescent]

I want to test it

[lusty adder]

Imagine not using that chip on the RGDS 💀 then

[astral burrow]

https://youtu.be/Mz-FCWkh6Ao

[silver idol]

Metal Slug 3D (PS2) Should be playable on this Handheld.👌

I also want to test the lower-end of both PS2 and GameCube Emulation on this thing and make a Google Spreadsheet. 🤔

[dapper ivy]

neat, Knulli is looking sleek on that thing

does the alpha have a 3DS emulator yet? I wonder if Super Mario 3D Land would run fully stable on the vita pro

[dapper ivy]

would certainly be helpful even if I see those systems as more of a bonus if any games work

[sour olive]

Isn't Metal Slug 3D bad though?

[buoyant thunder]

Funny I got a device called blow job, wonder how that came to be

[undone hemlock]

I would like my brain to stop trying to get me to buy this thing

[dapper ivy]

I know a simple solution to make it stop

a non lethal one ofc

[spring orchid]

literally just buy a real vita

unless you want a Linux device for port master ig

[tribal sonnet]

metal slug 3d is a goofy ahh game

its does get few praised from ms communtiy tho

[sour olive]

BRUH

[astral burrow]

Yes, 3ds already plays on knulli as well 👍

[silver idol]

What's wrong with Metal Slug 3D?

[sour olive]

Metal Slug has received mixed reviews. NTSC-uk gave the game a 2 out of a possible 10, citing its poor graphics, barren environments, and overall boring gameplay. Edge scored a 5/10: "It's a glimpse of something special waiting to happen, of a no-nonsense attitude towards combat that could be developed into a series worthy of the torch that it has chosen to bear"

"The game was released only in Japan on June 29, 2006 due to mostly negative reviews from critics. Despite this, it contains texts and menus that are mostly in English, as well as English voice acting. Japanese subtitles and dialogue are also available."

[silver idol]

Never cared for most Gaming Journalist especially ones in the UK. Just look at what they did to games like God Hand. Also to most Game Journalist the game is either really good or really bad.

[sour olive]

Most of the reviews were from Japan

[silver idol]

It seemed fine from the stages I played but that's me.

[sour olive]

God Hand is also a mixed game despite some people liking it

[silver idol]

Japanese reviews suck too. Just look at their Reviews of No More Heroes 3.

[sour olive]

No More Heroes 3 is mid though

[silver idol]

Exactly!!!

[sour olive]

I liked it but it's definitely not as good as the first 2

[silver idol]

No More Heroes 3 got glowing reviews in Japan.

[sour olive]

Anyway, invalidating opinions because they don't meet your criteria is a choice

[silver idol]

No More Heroes 3 was basically Game Art over Game Design.

[sour olive]

Still a fun game though

[silver idol]

So is Metal Slug 3D

[sour olive]

Metal Slug 3D is negative by almost everyone

[silver idol]

Fun is subjective

[sour olive]

Yes and no

Fun is subjective but that doesn't invalidate actual criticism

People like shit games all the time but that doesn't mean they're good

I like Duke Nukem Forever

But that game sucks ass

[silver idol]

The point is Mid or Garbage games can get great reviews while Good games can get bad or mediocre reviews.

[sour olive]

Not always

[silver idol]

"Try it and you might like it."

• That one Dr.Suess book

[sour olive]

You can't invalidate actual criticism just because you like a terrible game

[silver idol]

A critics words aren't objective tho. How exactly would you objectively determine a good from a bad game?

[sour olive]

You're basically just doing this meme but for games

[silver idol]

Projection!? Dafuq bro!!! 🤣

I don't care either way just play what you like.

That's all that matters in the end.

[sour olive]

People are allowed to like terrible games

But let's not pretend like they're good

[silver idol]

Okay but again, how do you objectively determine whether a Game or any form of entertainment is good or bad?

[minor warren]

This is what's wrong with this hobby and a lot of hobbies. And honestly social media in general. Whether or not something is good or bad has nothing to do with what other people think. Art is subjective.

[silver idol]

You're not explaining your point.

[subtle shuttle]

But criticism is inherently subjective to begin with.

A game can literally have outright glaringly bad flaws and still be seen overall as a great game if the person critiquing it doesn’t see any of the negatives as “that bad”.

[silver idol]

This is honestly what I'm trying to get at, but I'm curious and confused on how @sour olive gets to his position?

[subtle shuttle]

Like shit, just ask RedSpy about their opinion on FF6. Even if I would fully disagree on their overall rating for that game, I can’t really also say their reasons aren’t legitimately valid.

[sour olive]

Final Fantasy 6 is considered one of the best games of all time though

One person not liking it doesn't invalidate that

[subtle shuttle]

Yes, but literally every point that they’ve made is actually a straight up downside to the game. The difference is that some people just don’t give a shit about those downsides.

[silver idol]

Yeah just like Wanted Dead for example.

[sour olive]

When everyone else is saying the game is great, should that person opinion be taken seriously when everyone else is saying otherwise?

[minor warren]

I'm not going to say it's a bad game just because somebody else told me that it's a bad game. If I enjoy it, then it must be good. A lion does not concern itself with the opinions of the sheep or something like that

[sour olive]

But those Downsides are the reason is considered bad to begin with

Just because people can tolerate it, doesn't make it any better

[subtle shuttle]

And if most people have fun with a game and thinks it great, wouldn’t that mean critiques of said game are completely invalidated, regardless of whether or not they’re actually valid critiques?

[sour olive]

No

Criticism exists for a reason

Trying to invalidate it because it doesn't fit your opinion is a bad take

[minor warren]

It goes both ways hun

[sour olive]

You can always see scores from what the General Public thinks of that game as well

And most times, it lines up with the critics

[subtle shuttle]

…That is literally what you were just arguing about not being true since “everyone thinks it’s good, so that means that person’s honestly fair reasons for disliking it are still wrong”.

[sour olive]

I didn't say that though

[undone hemlock]

The white pro is so damn FINE

[sour olive]

I said you can like the game, but it's still going to be a bad game

I even gave examples of bad games I like

[minor warren]

This is the biggest L take since that one guy got banned in the rgds channel

[silver idol]

Bro this is group think, for example just because the RG-DS or RG-Vita is critically panned should I not enjoy it? Or on the Flipside because the Ayn Thor is Popular and Critically Praised should I want one too?

[sour olive]

RG DS is terrible but people still bought it anyway

[undone hemlock]

It’s fine if you temper your expectations

And got better

[sour olive]

RG Vita is also terrible

[undone hemlock]

Still jank

The RG555 is terrible

[silver idol]

Why lions tho? 🦁

[undone hemlock]

The pro is just overpriced

[sour olive]

Doesn't make it a good handheld

Just people are able to put up with mediocrity

[minor warren]

The rgds is not great and it's not terrible, it's just a gaming handheld. It's all subjective. I love mine, it's my favorite handheld. To me, it's good. To others, maybe not so good

[undone hemlock]

The RGDS got better. Still Anbernic jank

[sour olive]

Yeah

It's still Jank

[subtle shuttle]

And you just said FF6 isn’t a bad game solely because people still like it and think it’s good, while actively arguing that people having fun with a game doesn’t dismiss its downsides.

[undone hemlock]

And once the Linux builds get here

FF6 is a bad game?

[sour olive]

Except the downsides are very few and far between

This isn't like a game that's mostly jank

Like Metal Slug 3D

[minor warren]

Just because you didn't like it doesn't mean it's bad, just because other people didn't like it doesn't mean it's bad. All that matters is some people enjoy it and some people don't. Everything is subjective.

[sour olive]

Having a personal preference is not the same as playing a game that's just unplayable

Sonic 06 for example is utter garbage

[undone hemlock]

That’s apples to oranges

[subtle shuttle]

Depending on the version, I’d actively say FF6 is a mostly jank game that people simply still happened to have fun with.

[sour olive]

Does a few people liking the game suddenly make it good?

When the majority says it's trash

[subtle shuttle]

Like, first revision FFIII? Absolutely.

[sour olive]

The PS1 version yeah

Those load times are terrible

[minor warren]

I like Sonic 06. I was a kid and I didn't have internet. Nobody told me it was a bad game. And I enjoyed it. And I still enjoy it to this day. It's janky. But I love it

[sour olive]

Ok

You like the jank but it doesn't make it good

[minor warren]

I did not know until like 5 years later that everyone hated it and said it was a bad game. I would never have known

[silver idol]

Bruh please stop you got me doing laps around my house!

[undone hemlock]

And people call me negative

[minor warren]

The game can't be objectively bad, if at least one person found it good. I subjectively found it good. Therefore it is not bad

[sour olive]

There's literal flaws in the game that makes it unplayable

[minor warren]

I played it, define unplayable

[silver idol]

Yeah I know, I was just trying to create an example.

[sour olive]

The game can literally freeze on you when you try to do move in certain areas

It's literally broken because it was rushed to market to meet a deadline

[minor warren]

I don't understand why invalidating other people's experiences is such an important part of the internet

[sour olive]

That's not invalidating an opinion. That's straight up a broken game that constantly crashes on you. Liking it doesn't suddenly make it good.

[subtle shuttle]

My original point is mainly that it’s outright impossible to have legitimately unbiased criticisms because some people can and will unconsciously downplay or ignore any particularly glaring issues simply because they don’t personally consider it as being important, and that a lot of the time criticisms are offered by people who can and will end up ignoring those same criticisms in games they do like simply because “the positives outweigh the negatives in their mind”.

Where my main example is that game directly because even if it’s “just one person”, RedSpy has honestly made pretty damn valid points on the issues it has, where even if I still disagree on the game overall being bad, I can’t really say they’re wrong to dislike the game for those reasons.

[undone hemlock]

I’ve never played FF6

[sour olive]

Great Game

[undone hemlock]

Or any of the SNES final fantasy games

The only ones I’ve played are FFL2, 7 and 8

I despise 8

[sour olive]

I can see that

It's has a mixed reception

[undone hemlock]

It’s not bad game but the plot is just crap

[sour olive]

You either like it or hate it

[minor warren]

8 is one of my favorites

[undone hemlock]

Then again I don’t like time travel plots

[sour olive]

I liked it

[undone hemlock]

There’s only a few where I don’t immediately start picking apart the time travel

[sour olive]

But I also like Final Fantasy 13 so...

[minor warren]

Final fantasy 13 is pretty good tho

I like it more than 12, but I've never played the zodiac age version

[subtle shuttle]

Personally I actually do really like the story, so as I said earlier that would likely be due to a difference of opinion on the matter since I don’t really care much about it’s particular time travel stuff.

[minor warren]

It's almost like art is subjective or something

[silver idol]

Hey that's my phrase! 🤣

[subtle shuttle]

Yeah, funny that.

[undone hemlock]

Oh we’re gonna let the bad guy collapse all of time and space, ok so you beat the bad guy but all of time and space is still collapsed. You still lose

[sour olive]

I liked it but I can see why some people didn't

[minor warren]

You're talking to a Kingdom hearts fan, that's baby stuff

[sour olive]

Door to Darkness or something

[undone hemlock]

Oh I don’t play kingdom hearts

[sour olive]

Art can be subjective but there's clear reasons for why that art can be considered great or awful

[frail wadi]

get a real Vita if you don't have one yet

[silver idol]

You don't play Kingdom Hearts!? How dare you your on my list! 🙃

[minor warren]

Kingdom hearts 1 is a simple no frills cute fun Disney story. Kingdom hearts 2 has clones, time travel, identity fraud, and existentialism

[undone hemlock]

I’ve never played vita games. At least that I know of.

[sour olive]

Kingdom Hearts 1 is fun but hasn't aged the best out of all the games

[undone hemlock]

You already were on my list. The cult must grow

[subtle shuttle]

It never got to the point of actually collapsing in the first place. It was going to, but them beating Ultimecia before it could actually happen lead to her time compression spell reversing, letting time be restored to normal since the collapse was essentially an intended result of it going on too long (think of it like a reactor meltdown that was prevented from happening by activating the countermeasure before it could go critical).

[undone hemlock]

I’ve never had a Sony handheld

[sour olive]

Apparently they're making a new handheld

[silver idol]

Do you like Android and Portmaster ports? Do you want 70% of Sega Saturn and below Emulation? Do you like the PS-Vita but you prefer Rubber Membranes? Buy It!!! If not, don't buy it.

[sour olive]

Hopefully they don't screw it up like the Vita

With expensive Proprietary Memory Cards

And lack of support

[undone hemlock]

I’ve only ever owned Nintendo handhelds

[silver idol]

Can I like the RG477M and RG476H?

[undone hemlock]

Buy both

[sour olive]

DS was awesome

And 3DS

[undone hemlock]

DS had a lot of shovelware

[sour olive]

GBA

[sour olive]

So did the Wii

Wii still has great games though

[undone hemlock]

I was going through the game lists and I don’t have a desire to play more than 2 of them.

[sour olive]

Unfortunately you have to use the Waggle Stick for certain games but we can't all be perfect systems

[silver idol]

Especially the DSi.

[sour olive]

[undone hemlock]

The rest of the games that were on there that I played have superior ports

[sour olive]

Where's is that Lion even from?

I thought it was Linus at first

[undone hemlock]

Too bad drastic can’t play that

Wii introduced me to

[undone hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-goo-2-liquid-goo-world-of-goo-2-liquid-goo-goo-launcher-world-of-goo-2-goo-launcher-gif-8709719767345459217

Such perfection

World of goo

[silver idol]

Yeah Kingdom Hearts is definitely an experience to say the least. Kingdom Hearts 3 had some funny owns tho.

[undone hemlock]

There has never been a more perfect game as world of goo

[minor warren]

Chain of memories is peak imo. And 358/2 Days is overrated, the gameplay is mid, but the story is good. And re:coded is great

Those are my hot takes of the day

[silver idol]

World of Goo is fun tho. Maybe I should test this game on GameHub and Game Native.

[undone hemlock]

Too bad the Android port is locked behind a damn Netflix subscription

Fuck Netflix

[silver idol]

@minor warren I like 358/2, however it's a slow burn and a slog to get to all the good parts later in the game.

[undone hemlock]

They made a sequel

Haven’t played it

[sour olive]

Yeah, 358/2 is pretty boring overall

[sour olive]

Odd, you use to be able to purchase it in the Play Store

[subtle shuttle]

And keep in mind, Kingdom Hearts 2 is the game that doesn’t require you to play any other games to understand its story…except for Chain of Memories, the GBA game that was released in between KH1 and KH2 and is unironically the real freaking KH1.5 in all but official name.

[undone hemlock]

Netflix “remastered” it

[sour olive]

Ah

Sad

Usually when the Netflix deal ends, they'll relist if for sale

But how Long that last, who knows?

[undone hemlock]

The original version is delisted but still downloadable if you’ve previously purchased it

[subtle shuttle]

Like, it did eventually get a remake for the platform the other main games were on, but that was released in 2009.

So if anyone tells you KH1 to KH2 was simple and that you didn’t need to play anything else to understand the story, they are lying to you. The story stuff in Chain of Memories is outright more relevant to KH2’s plot than KH1, and until multiple years after KH2 it was on a completely different platform where you had several different people outright coping hard on that shit by saying “well, it makes sense for you the player to be stumbling around and not understanding shit since the characters also forgot all the Chain of Memories stuff and are also not understanding stuff”.

Ignoring that literally no one else forgot that stuff.

[undone hemlock]

I have never seen a game transition from console to mobile so neatly

[sour olive]

Kingdom Hearts used to have all their games span multiple Systems and Handhelds

Before the HD Collections, you have needed at least a PS2, DS, PSP and 3DS

And I guess a phone if we count X

[subtle shuttle]

I do personally love Kingdom Hearts, and frankly the games are nowhere near as complicated as people make them out to be.

They’re still pretty freaking stupid as shit with this type of stuff.

Like, Re:Coded and Melody of Memories? Those actually aren’t required at all, they’re straight up just the game equivalent of refresher episodes, with the only major things being purely just small character moments that are entirely unrequired for the plot and really just optional fluff. People still treat them as required just because they’ve been Pavlovian trained into thinking all of them are.

[sour olive]

Re:Coded is pretty much just a Kingdom Hearts 1 remake

Or Demake in this case

[subtle shuttle]

It’s also just straight up the best implementation of a real-time action RPG done on the DS.

This doesn’t mean it’s actually as good as stuff that’s played with regular-ass controllers, just that it surprisingly punches way above its weight class as a freaking DS game.

[sour olive]

It plays better on a 3DS but not by much

It did originally start as a Japanese Mobile game

With that in mind, it's pretty impressive

[minor warren]

Re:coded had the most "nothing happens" story, but the gameplay is very fun, and the level up grid with chips is a really well executed mechanic.

[sour olive]

For a DS game, it's pretty good

Story Wise, it's lacking

[minor warren]

358/2 days story with re:coded gameplay and mechanics would have been peak

[sour olive]

I wish they would remake them

It would be a nice stopgap release until 4

[subtle shuttle]

Fucking hell, I will never stop being annoyed by the fact that they couldn’t have figured out the key to Re:Coded’s gameplay for Days instead.

[minor warren]

I think 358/2 level up system forces you to use specific weapons. So you don't have nearly as much flexibility in your play style. And the segmented missions instead of having explorable worlds is a huge downgrade

Both are really fun though, I literally sold my DS. But I kept my cartridges for those two games. Just because I did not want to lose my save files. I love going back to them

I think I'm going to play through the whole series again pretty soon. I usually do it every couple years. Every time I try to play the games in a different order. Last time I did it in chronological order. I think this time I'm going to do it in the order they were released

[subtle shuttle]

Man, that would’ve been way better than the freaking movies they included that don’t even do a good job of telling Days’ story.

[subtle shuttle]

Honestly yeah, doing it by release order would just be way better.

Like, you don’t tell people to play MGS3 and MGS5 before MGS1.

[minor warren]

Chronological order is fun when you actually know what's happening. But it's a mess. I would never recommend playing them in that order, but I do think I would recommend playing them in a slightly different order than release

Like playing Days before kh2

But after CoM

[silver idol]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-annoyed-stare-side-eye-gif-3352035419166581197

Have you played the whole game?

[minor warren]

Birth by sleep always makes me so mad though. You don't have like any invincibility frames, so you can go from full health to game over in like half a second if you get surrounded. That game made me so mad

[sour olive]

Yes

The Story is great but everything is dull

I do want to replay it though

Since I haven't played it in years

[minor warren]

It's worth replaying, but grinding the missions and the multiplayer mode to unlock everything is such a grind

It probably has the most post game content in the series, but I don't think that's necessarily a good thing in this case

[frail wadi]

don't let that discourage you, there's plenty to discover in its library

[silver idol]

Birth by Sleep unfortunately demands for you to grind. The problem is the actual game is like 3 to 4 hours max. 😂

[minor warren]

I actually haven't tested out the Kingdom hearts games on my RG DS yet. That might be the best way to play them

[silver idol]

I'm definitely going to try this myself.

[silver idol]

Did you play through the side missions?

[subtle shuttle]

Yup, and while I would say the grind is pretty much the direct point of Days’ story (Roxas is essentially stuck in the worst 9-to-5 scenario, where almost all his coworkers hate him and each other, his work unironically feels fully unfulfilling, and his small meetups with 2 coworkers he does get along with are the only moments of legitimate joy in his life, and even those don’t stick around for long).

The problem, of course, is still that this goes into the same issue of Drakengard 1 where most of the game being grindy and tedious on purpose for the story does not stop the game from being Grindy and tedious.

[sour olive]

And the Multiplayer

Not much better

[lusty adder]

Same as the Wii and now the Switch 1 tbh but still had a great library

[blazing bough]

[young ferry]

Gonna need a transcription

[fossil rose]

It really is!

[silver idol]

I other news my Black RG-VITA Pro is here! I'm waiting for the Screen Protector which is stuck in Canada! 😭

[fossil rose]

How's the black one look?!

[silver idol]

Opening it now!!!

Here it is!!!

Now I'm just waiting on Custom Firmware and my Screen Protector.

[fossil rose]

Black looks sleek!

Looking forward to how you find it performs 🙂

[silver idol]

Hehehehe...

[lament birch]

portmaster exists on the stock linux firmware but some ports don’t want to run

[atomic flare]

100% wrong

[fossil rose]

This drives me nuts.

'Subjective' v.s. 'objective' People forget that their opinion isn't a fact! More and more we see this, and it is so messy and wrong.

The RG DS was my favorite device of last year, and I had all the heavy hitter handhelds. The nostalgia of the hardware and the ability to play the enormous DS library upscaled 2x made it my favorite. Am I wrong in thinking it is an amazing device? Nope. Becuase it is my opinion.

This new shift on the internet where everyone thinks their (subjective) opinion is fact just drives me up the wall!

[silver idol]

Might be a compatiblity issue. Some ports are 32-bits. 🤔

[lofty kestrel]

Y'all forget where you are

[lament birch]

no it’s not 32 vs 64, i’ve had both run ok, i think it might be the way the os or res is reporting

[silver idol]

Unfortunately a lot of immature adult have joined the Retro Handheld community. I've been dealing with these people since 2019 unfortunately.

[silver idol]

That might be it, also some ports rely on the Portsmaster folder to access dependencies.

Hopefully I can use knulli soon.

[lament birch]

rocknix also seems to be making good progress

[sour olive]

The irony of that statement when you always barge into every single negative argument about a device

You could have just ignored it and moved on

[undone hemlock]

All you do is complain

[sour olive]

The argument only came into fruition because they're trying to gaslight people into thinking a Terrible Game is good

Metal Slug 3D is a terrible game

You can like it but it a clunky mess

They kept arguing that the UK scores didn't matter

Then when I brought up that most of the reviews were from Japan

They said that those didn't matter either

The issue is that they're purposely ignoring any opinions that doesn't fit theirs to elevate an otherwise Terrible game

I even gave examples of terrible games that I liked but I at least acknowledge that despite my enjoyment, they're still terrible which what the argument was about

[atomic flare]

My problem is when anyone makes such a definite judgement even if they’ve never tried one. Is it an end game device? No. Obviously. But hey, neither the RP6 or O3 are endgame devices. Neither is the Thor. So I’m over judging a device on what it can’t do. How about we judge on what it can and what value that brings?! There is nuance in nearly everything on earth, so cool the f down. Give an opinion, maybe even provide some reasoning, but don’t be arrogant enough to believe your perspective is the only one that matters.

[naive prairie]

Whether the RG DS is terrible or not depends on what you want to do with it. If you're thinking it's "Something that does most of what a Thor does, but for less money", then it's going to be absolute crap. If you're thinking "Hey, I need something to play DS games on that has the feel of a DS but with more modern screens and some of the emulation niceties ... and I don't have a crapton of money to spend" then the RG DS sounds really good.

[atomic flare]

For sure. And if you think an RGDS can replace a Thor, we all know that’s foolish. At least that would be an objective truth. My point is that does not make it a terrible device.

And for clarity, I now own both and they are both great devices. I use both.

[naive prairie]

I don't think anybody at this point thinks that's what the RG DS is ... it's that it's what a lot of people wanted the RG DS to be ... and it wasn't, so to them it's terrible. (Anbernic did fuel that kind of speculation so it's partly on them, but it's obvious the device was actually made to be not a bit stronger than what was necessary to run Drastic reasonably well on two screens.)

[atomic flare]

That’s good. I agree. I don’t remember Anbernic saying it could do more than it does. People just hoped it would. Again, just need to wait and see. If you get your hopes up on something, it’s very possible to be disappointed.

*you meaning “they” as in anyone

[naive prairie]

The "can you guess what powers it" and 3DS "hype" suggested that the RG DS would be more powerful than it actually was. That's on Anbernic. They didn't NEED to do any of that - just say "Look! DS for cheap!" and it'd sell (which it did!).

[lofty kestrel]

Or maybe just step back and stop taking videogames so seriously. It's made for Nintendo DS. You buy it to play Nintendo ds

[atomic flare]

Yeah I don’t remember that coming directly from Anbernic but if so, yeah that’s not cool

[naive prairie]

The one that confuses me (and I'm sure I've said this before) - is the base RG Vita. Why even make that? The Pro is the only one that should exist - just call that one the RG Vita.

"The rich color options and innovative dual-screen design perfectly blend nostalgia with modernity.The RG DS offers endless possibilities — its capabilities might just exceed your imagination...!❗Stay tuned — can you guess what powers it?" From https://anbernic.com/blogs/news/rgds-debut

[fossil rose]

I can't imagine dedicating so much of my time to things I hate

[atomic flare]

There’s nothing in there that I read as untrue. People wished it did more.

[teal cape]

Welcome to upcoming devices lol

[naive prairie]

To be fair, have you met human beings? 🤣

[teal cape]

This is also true

[atomic flare]

All I ask is that human beings be human! Recognize we are all human, and no one is right all the time.

[lone imp]

I played with a real rgDS! Did a whole 10 minutes of mario kart DS on it and gave it back to my friend. I simply don't like it.

[undone hemlock]

R36 is fair game

[lone imp]

but I also tried liking the ds-lite and the DSi(TWICE), and sold all three

[chrome gale]

Only the RG DS can be roughly thrown in a bag. I baby my Thor. For me when a handheld is ~$100 or less, I feel more comfortable taking it on adventures.

Because 100 is the cost of 2 AA games. $350? I'm having a real crappy day if I lose/break Thor handheld money.

[lusty adder]

If the handheld was announced under the XX line nobody would've minded. The marketing for it was terrible and they also buried themselves by sending uncooked units to reviewers.
Nobody with common sense thougt it would be " Thor for cheap " , i knew right away that 3DS was an ultra bonus but i also didn't think it was going to be THAT bad of a chip.

[lament birch]

I find it mildly amusing that people hate the RG Vita because it can't emulate the system it's named after, while at the same time people hate the RG DS because it's primarily good for emulating the system it's named after

[tawny lynx]

Well good is kind of a stretch but yeah

It's serviceable

[atomic flare]

I mostly run rocknix and it runs every game I’ve tried. More than serviceable and in many ways better than OG hardware with a flashcart. It’s the best DS system you can buy… if you enjoy dual screen systems -cough- @lone imp -cough-

I’d rather play DS on it over the Thor. I want two identical screens for DS. Otherwise, it isn’t right for the games designed for it.

Thor is amazing for many systems but different sized screens make DS games wonky. Some may get by like that but I struggle.

[tawny lynx]

I mean i would still consider running at 2x with minimal overhead to be serviceable, not bad but not great either

[dapper ivy]

sick, I should have probably also ordered the case as well but can always get it from ali express later with free shipping I guess

do people here have specific stick caps they like using? I heard somebody say they ordered retroid sticks since they fit on there?

[atomic flare]

If it works it works. The best engineered device is doing what it should for as little as possible.

[dapper ivy]

I couldn't care less what others think about the RG DS or the RG vita pro
ultimately it's subjective what you want from a device

there are the facts and then there is your opinion on devices, is it worth for you to spend the money on it, do you like what capabilities you are getting

it's pretty simple but we often see people who feel like they need to make people conform to their opinion

[undone hemlock]

I just think they’re overpriced for the specs on offer. $80~ for the RGDS and $110 for the pro

[dapper ivy]

totally fair to hold that opinion

[undone hemlock]

$150 when the 476H exists is just wrong

[dapper ivy]

I feel like most people who have that take focus on the chip you get relative to the asking price, I think people who like either of those 2 handhelds want a very specific form factor and that's usually why it's worth it to them

[dapper ivy]

I can see the take but I don't want a 476H, I don't want android and I don't want 4:3

but yes if you are potentially in the market for both the performance can be a good argument to go with it

[undone hemlock]

Blame the chip maker for that stupidity

I would love for Linux on that but that’s not gonna happen

[dapper ivy]

hm

[undone hemlock]

Same goes for the D8300

You’d have to be sadist to try and port Linux to them

[dapper ivy]

idk, for me it's just easy to see how different people prioritize different things, you can have your opinion and I even like hearing takes from others but I have seen people crash out about the RG DS for weeks now xD

[dapper ivy]

yeah I can acknowledge a ton of people like it but I am never getting an adroid only handheld again

[undone hemlock]

I was on the “This should have been Linux.” Train since launch

Android is way too much for the RGDS

[dapper ivy]

lot of portmaster games are 16:9 so that is one of the biggest draws to the vita pro for me personally, and with 1080p as well

the trim UI smart pro / pro S would be the other contender but with 1GB of RAM it can struggle in a bunch of ports

[undone hemlock]

I’m glad knulli and Rocknix exists for these Rockchip handhelds

[dapper ivy]

for sure, and there is a good change muOS also releases for the vita pro even if it's not confirmed / announced

[undone hemlock]

Wouldn’t shock me if all the H700 custom OS devs are making builds for the Rockchip handhelds

[dapper ivy]

I love muOS on my 35XX H and cubeXX, lot of customization and all the specific apps for those devices make it feel more intentional

leaning towards that but in case of that not happening Knulli is probably what I will go with, that is also cool but I would miss the more libral choice of themes in ES-DE

but you are right it's great that we have all the options

[undone hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-blue-sweater-time-travel-endgame-realization-gif-8570477407634113260

It’s already in the USA

[mental needle]

like your order or the shipping options?

[undone hemlock]

Shipping options

I’m still fighting my brain on buying this

[mental needle]

I'm skipping

I have my flip 2 and thor for 16:9 options

[undone hemlock]

I hate white devices. I absolutely despise it

But the white is speaking to me

I can’t justify $149

[mental needle]

especially for T618 performance

[dapper ivy]

makes sense

[lone imp]

ex8 is 26usd cheaper and closer to t820 performance.

[lament birch]

3:2 and no linux

[lone imp]

it has good mediatek drivers for windows compatibility though. you get 7th gen and under on the pc end

fo3, skyrim, and saints row 2 run fine on my unit

[lament birch]

there are multiple options for 4:3/3:2 and android, but very few that are 16:9+linux

[blazing bough]

Where can you get an ex8 for under 80?

[lone imp]

149 - 26 = 123. don't think you'll be able to swing under 80 even with jdewitz and sinyorksu combining their powers

[blazing bough]

I mean 80 is what I paid for my RG vita

So has to be at least around that

[lone imp]

still probably won't happen. g99 is ~40% stronger than the t618. 80*1.4=112. add in the cost of 3gb more ram and it's sitting where it ought to be.

(shrug)

[blazing bough]

[lone imp]

man. anbernic is underbidding the powkiddy x28 now

[blazing bough]

I still dislike the ex8 design but I'm will to give it a buy only if it's under 110

At the most

[lone imp]

there will be aliexpress coupons eventually.

[blazing bough]

Which is the price I'm willing for the RG vita pro

The 3:2 screen is hard carrying my interest

[dapper ivy]

somebody ghost pinged me? lol

[devout plinth]

that was me, i deleted my comment

[dapper ivy]

fair enough

[devout plinth]

it's something that might make you happy but not yet public

i'll let someone else will spread the good news

[naive prairie]

If $80 was the "regular" retail price for the RG Vita instead of $110, it'd have a lot less haters.

[devout plinth]

anbernic products always have 15% off msrp after 2 months

[naive prairie]

Thing is that you can only do one - have a higher-than-expected price or gimped specs. Anbernic chose both for the RG Vita. And I always take into account that Anbernics go down after a while, but the base RG Vita won't ever be cheap enough for a recommend.

[devout plinth]

the pro will be ranked very high in recommended list in 2 months, that's my prediction, nobody cares about the base

[undone hemlock]

Recently you could get the RGDS for sub $90

[gleaming vine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1480638223142359262/1490677615806251098/20260406_202611.jpg?ex=69d4ed37&is=69d39bb7&hm=5088e59cca4925a1fbdaa93da3d0ab3b599f0417a674538cf5a2c32099cd3bde&

[young ferry]

First test release is out baybeee

Definitely not final though, needs a lot of tweaking and probably some control map fixes

[atomic flare]

Mine was $87 shipped.

[devout plinth]

the record holder is 83

[short goblet]

apparently rocknix performance is 50% better than mangmi air x

[lofty kestrel]

The mangmi was polished shit overhyped by the youtuber shadow band

[silver idol]

Bruh you're the ones fucking with me 90% of the time. 🤣

[silver idol]

Me and my Mom love our RG-DSes. 😁

[teal cape]

I think that guy is gas lighting you 🤣

[lofty kestrel]

he's just a /v/ troll. Dude rages over games he doesn't like at the drop of a hat. Just ignore him

[silver idol]

Anberhaters man, their the most dedicated group of haters on the planet. They're literally Anti-Fans.

[silver idol]

Anberhaters are hypocrites and sometimes liars I've been dealing with them since 2019. It's like, why man?

[silver idol]

How much more do you expect for $100?

[silver idol]

Give me a second I got you!

[silver idol]

Unfortunately the Portmaster stopped supporting Crossmix.

[silver idol]

Sadly I starting to believe you.

[silver idol]

That's because the Mangmi Air X doesn't have a Mainline Linux Kernel.

[dapper ivy]

yeah I know but you can run other CFWs on the TSP I thought, either way I am glad I waited

having the "new" sticks (compared to the XX line) on the rg vita pro is a blessing

[silver idol]

How do I get this!!! 😭

[silver idol]

Also here's those Sticks I found on Etsy.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/4472128334/custom-resin-thumbstick-caps-for-retroid

My Personal Favorite 👇
https://www.etsy.com/listing/1860852853/custom-retroidodin-thumbsticks-please

@dapper ivy

[dapper ivy]

seems like both offers are not shipping to europe so I will have to find other sellers

[gleaming vine]

#1480638223142359262 message

It's still very much in beta, though

[lofty kestrel]

i need to get some of these for my ex8

freaks me out that the sticks kinda get squished in a switch lite case. i don't hate the full joystick gearboxes they chose, but those centering springs ain't gonna stay springy forever.

[silver idol]

Damn it! 😫

[chrome gale]

The knulli alpha for Vita pro can already make dolphin libretro playable. Once the standalone gets dialed in, i think we will be cooking with gas 🔥

[teal sonnet]

What ?
Does thar mean the RG Vita performs 50% better that the Air X with both using Rocknix ?

👀

[mental needle]

watch this niche handheld become even more niche

[blazing bough]

I mean

That's the case for every new handheld atm

[mental needle]

kinda

Like the PAM is a good budget all rounder

[blazing bough]

The PAM is not a new device

By new I mean priced in the last few months

[mental needle]

isn't it only like three months old?

[blazing bough]

Yea but it was priced last year

[mental needle]

So are we counting release dates or announcement dates?

[blazing bough]

When the price specifically is revealed

I'm referring to devices that have raised prices because of the ai situation

[mental needle]

oh I was just referring to devices in general

Price fluctuations are a secondary consideration for me

[blazing bough]

I think the RG vita is just fine. Just a high price

[mental needle]

yeah the price along side it's competition really makes it a bad option ATM

like doesn't the Magni Air X perform slightly better (with stock firmware)

[blazing bough]

No

The chip in the air x is weaker than a t618

[mental needle]

was it the other direction, where the T618 is slightly better

[blazing bough]

Yes

[mental needle]

ah

[blazing bough]

I don't know if it's $10 better tho (99 vs 109)

[mental needle]

maybe for the support for the T618 that's already established

[naive prairie]

The Mangmi has more RAM, so that might also be a factor.

[mental needle]

true

mainly for that higher end stuff like PSP and GC

and I guess PS2 if you're daring

[blazing bough]

Neither does GC and ps2 really that well but psp is fine with the RAM

Mangmi does have a higher res screen tho that's a factor for some

[lusty adder]

The Mangmi has driver support also , not that it would perform any miracles with PS2 and GC but still

[blazing bough]

N64 imo performs better on the Vita

[mental needle]

in RA or M64?

[blazing bough]

Both

[mental needle]

fair

[blazing bough]

Because Snapdragon doesn't run the "accurate" parallel core

[mental needle]

I usually just run M64 because I know what settings to use with those wart games like Paper Mario and the Rareware titles

[blazing bough]

There's basically three different drivers with regular mupen, angry lion and parallel

Mupen runs on everything being the default but it's not an accurate driver. Angry Lion is the software driver which is super accurate but really heavy. Parallel is like the in-between.

[mental needle]

then there's Rice

[blazing bough]

On more powerful handhelds like the o2m I just use angry lion since parallel doesn't work and those can power through it

Not the case with mangmi where it can't run the parallel and the angry lion well enough

[mental needle]

That sounds like it'd be fun fiddling time for me

if I could get the right settings dialed in to get DK64 running on the 3326 I can do it here

[minor warren]

Yeah I think the pro will handle most of the GameCube library. T618 on Android can run most of it with a little tweaking. But with reduced overhead in Linux.

I think the vita pro will be a decent device, when you're able to find it on sale or used for around $110

[blazing bough]

I see a pro for $110 but debating on if I should just grab that

It is the black model tho

[undone hemlock]

Private sale?

[blazing bough]

toy barn

[untold hazel]

until the case starts to crack - already seen two cases of this issue

[mental needle]

OoF

[lusty adder]

💀

Sucks because the Pocket Air Mini is overall good for its price range.

[short goblet]

from rocknix discord - vkmark scores:

mangmi air x - 650
anbernic rg vita pro - 896

about 38% better

[mental needle]

Then retroid makes a new budget RP3/4 styled device with the SD G1G2

[dry kelp]

I'd buy it

[mental needle]

yeah same

well maybe, if they could get display output on that

once a device is able to run a good amount of GC and PS2 I feel display out is mandatory

[young ferry]

...I should buy a mini hdmi and a usbc dp cable to test those on Rocknix

[mental needle]

managed to enter in the emote twice by spamming enter fast enough

[young ferry]

pfft

[mental needle]

Wario and his clone approve of this testing energy

[young ferry]

Theroretcially they both should be set up to work already... just need the connectors.

At least detection wise

[mental needle]

PROBE TIME

[thick orchid]

@silver idol Which device gives me the most ports to play on Portmaster?

someone is gonna say Odin2 with Rocknix arent they.................

[mental needle]

I mean, probably

8G2 is hella powerful for portmaster

[thick orchid]

dpad on top

[mental needle]

I would imagine tons of games, would run at max settings in PM, like Morrowind

[silver idol]

Anything above the RK3566 will be an amazing experience. The RK3399, A311D, RK3576, and SD 865 have Mainline Linux support. The Snapdragon 8 gen 2 and Ayaneo's Snapdragon Handhelds are powerful enough to play ANY Portmaster game too minus the Mainline Linux support.

@thick orchid

[thick orchid]

A311D?

RGB Max3 pro?

[mental needle]

that and I think the Odroid Go Ultra used that SoC too

[thick orchid]

you know whats upsetting. The OGU and $40 shipping is still cheaper than the Max3 pro

[mental needle]

makes sense, Odroid was always cheaper than the others

[thick orchid]

but the max3 pro feels better

to hold

[mental needle]

I can't say I liked any of their devices tho, except the assemblym of the OGA

[thick orchid]

RK3576.............back to vita pro it is

[mental needle]

assembling the OGA was super fun and made me wish other companies would do that

Pizza Tower in style

I'm waiting for Unity games to get PM support so stuff like Sea of Stars will be on dodads outside of android/GameNative

[silver idol]

@thick orchid What I'd pay attention to is what form-factor you want.

[thick orchid]

horizontal of course

only sadist likes vertical

[mental needle]

looks at my verts knida

The bulky verts are the best ones

[thick orchid]

which one is that?

i will consider if there is one

[mental needle]

405V, and 351V

the 351V is a chunky git

[thick orchid]

those are NOT bulky

maybe i have oversized hands

[mental needle]

you want an 80s cellphone

doggo has big ole paws

[thick orchid]

https://giphy.com/gifs/jukeboxsaints-ammonius-phone-6E4dAUIo40nAea72fP

[mental needle]

you want that level of CHUNK

[thick orchid]

im speaking as somoene who had a 351V

[mental needle]

a mason brick with buttons

[thick orchid]

and it was NOT comfy at all

[mental needle]

yeah I'm gonna say you got big mitts

[silver idol]

So you want me to recommend you something? 🤔

[thick orchid]

you already did 😄

you gave me the chip

and of the list, only the 3576 i never had, so i will get the vita pro

[silver idol]

Cool 😎

[mental needle]

Does any other device have that SoC?

[thick orchid]

who the frig says its comfortable

RGC def didnt

[silver idol]

I'd personally wait for a sale @thick orchid .

[thick orchid]

ye im waiting. currently its still on pre release prices on the site ($10 off)

maybe around $20-25

[mental needle]

I remember him really liking the 351V

[thick orchid]

i think he liked the device

but not necessary because it was comfortable

[thick orchid]

this level of chunk

[mental needle]

I'm just gonna lean on "physiology issue" for it not being comfy for other folks

for me and my medium-ish hands, I find it quite comfy for longer sessions

[thick orchid]

now if i can convince you that universal healthcare are worthy sacrifices to get a tri screen handheld

[mental needle]

HELL NO

not with my mental disabilities

[thick orchid]

#1101304832276562012 message

i will try again and again

[mental needle]

Doggo is a capitalist

[thick orchid]

Doggo wants to see the world burn

so we have innovation again

[mental needle]

Doggo owns stocks in the Oil and Coal industries

[thick orchid]

Doggo owns stock in Nvidia, Bitcoin and AMD too

and doggo uses RTX 5090 to play fetch

i mean

Woof

[mental needle]

Doggo shoots his gun in his back yard to keep the property value low in his area

[thick orchid]

dont expose doggo like that

[mental needle]

Because you want to sacrice universal health care for a tri screen dodad

[thick orchid]

for greater good

we can dual screen DS and 3ds

AND have a youtube vid on the 3rd screen

[mental needle]

yeah I'd prefer my specialty med not cost as much as a brand new car

[thick orchid]

its a win win

[silver idol]

You sure you don't want the Retroid Pocket 5 @thick orchid ?

[thick orchid]

nope

too expensive

when i have odin2

[silver idol]

Fair enough 👌

I have the Odin 2 Portal myself.

[mental needle]

I have the Thor for my 8G2 dodad

[silver idol]

It's great that we have choice in this community. 👍

[mental needle]

many would say too much

looks at the Anbernic XX/H700 lineup

[silver idol]

Yeah

[mental needle]

fuggin 10 models

it went past frustrating and skipped into funny

[silver idol]

Yeah their was a form-factor for everyone. I honestly liked it.

[mental needle]

same, the H700 is just powerful enough to play games that a broad enough group of retro gamers can enjoy and then the different form factors appeal to the rest of the niche

like the GBA heads ATE with the 34XX

[thick orchid]

as a GBA connoisseur

it missed the mark

[mental needle]

sigh there's always one

[thick orchid]

im probably the only one in that group

[silver idol]

I snagged the RG40XXH, RG-CUBE XX, and RG35XXSP. 😁

I still want a Neo Geo Pocket H-700 device.

[mental needle]

I preordered the 35XXSP, I got a 28XX used, traded for a 34XX and bought the 34XXSP on sale

Atari Lynx XX device

[silver idol]

Oh I forgot I bought the RG34XX too! 😆

[mental needle]

the feel of the 34XX is so good

[thick orchid]

the only CORRECT gba device

along with the 35xx sp

[mental needle]

I mean it's the closest to the OG GBA

I prefer the 34XXSP over the 35XXSP for GBA

[thick orchid]

there is just too many off things about the 34xx sp for me as my main GBA device

[mental needle]

fair enough I suppose

[thick orchid]

speaking of which i need to buy the glaciar 34xx

[mental needle]

I have one I don't use if you want

[thick orchid]

i live in NZ

the shipping will be a nightmare

for you

[mental needle]

ohhhh

Feg

[little crescent]

The vita pro is a cool gba you can nearly be full screen

[lofty kestrel]

but can it play Freedom Wars?

you don't have to make up reasons to use it. the r36h is pretty good for gba too

[dapper ivy]

yeah 4.85" for 3:2

[dapper ivy]

idk what's made up about it, literally everything can play GBA so the screen size you get when playing it is a legit talking point

[thick orchid]

how much for the cat 😄

[frail wadi]

comes with the device

only pro model though, the base only gets you a hamster

[inner parrot]

Anbernic RG Vita Pro Cat Edition™️

[thick orchid]

SOLD

where ma cat

[fossil rose]

She's asleep right now. And you'll be taking Ciri out of my cold dead hands. She's quite happy here!

[thick orchid]

that can be arranged.

[fossil rose]

https://tenor.com/view/buffy-summers-angry-buffy-the-vampire-slayer-buffy-sarah-michelle-gellar-gif-6020825039538738100

[thick orchid]

please hold this extremely cold retro handheld device

so your hands are cold and deadlike

whlie you holding that i'll hold the cat

[fossil rose]

https://tenor.com/view/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-buffy-summers-bif-the-zombie-killer-vampires-the-lost-boys-gif-21395172

[thick orchid]

its important that you DO NOT turn it on

so it stays cold

[fossil rose]

https://tenor.com/view/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-btvs-buffyverse-buffy-summers-sarah-michelle-gellar-gif-17173963438617224396

[thick orchid]

i will take the cat over the girl anyday\

[lofty kestrel]

meh. she's cute. notsomuch these days

[atomic flare]

I’m guessing you were cuter 20 years ago too, like the rest of us.

[lone imp]

i disagree. she still has hot mom vibes
https://www.instagram.com/p/DWzDyY0lGAe/

sarahmgellar

BTS 📸 🎥

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[subtle shuttle]

Yup, the song isn’t exactly named “Stacy’s Sister”.

[pastel vector]

Midnight Club 3 mention!

But is LA Remix is my favorite PSP for the impresive graphics for a racing game

[fossil rose]

From an article I wrote a few days back!

https://gardinerbryant.com/what-to-play-and-watch-while-waiting-for-forza-horizon-6/

I do love Midnight Club 🙂

[mental needle]

Go play burnout paradise

[dry kelp]

Anyone down for a round of Blur

[blazing bough]

Blur is hella great

Shame it got delisted

[dry kelp]

[thick orchid]

who the frig is this person

[lone imp]

she played Buffy the Vampire Slayer for 7 seasons

[thick orchid]

whats buffy the vampire slayer

And no im not joking

[lone imp]

look it up. it is an entire teenage fantasy franchise

[thick orchid]

my tv back in the day was Hong Kong crime dramas

or comedy

[fossil rose]

Well, I find myself with two RG Vita Pro's now

[lament birch]

one for each hand

[undone hemlock]

Australian bastard

[fossil rose]

https://giphy.com/gifs/filmeditor-classic-film-natalie-wood-l0ErCmOYrV5xEtfY4

[undone hemlock]

Gimmie da white one

https://tenor.com/view/happy-early-birthday-now-gimmee-gif-15731324811646516558

[fossil rose]

But also the reason is that the first one was a bit defective. I had Anbernic run tests, chatted to all the reviewers and devs who had them and my first one had one weirdly specific issue. WiFi on made it shutdown and go into a weird restart loop. They tested others from the same batch, it was just a unique issue to that one

[undone hemlock]

Not the defective one though

[fossil rose]

(I had both they sent to me be white!)

[undone hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-reynolds-goddammit-damn-hitmans-bodyguard-hitmans-bodyguard-gifs-gif-8352668

[fossil rose]

If we were in the same country, you could buy the non-defective one!

But...we are not, so you remain Ryan Reynoldsing with your anger-fist

[undone hemlock]

Damn Australia!

Funny enough we share the same first name and last initial

[fossil rose]

There are some more recent 'differences' between the two, I suspect

[undone hemlock]

There's a revision between the review sample unit and the retail unit?

[fossil rose]

Oh no I meant between the two countries. But...now I see I read that totally wrong!

[quick cloak]

So how are people liking their base RG Vita?

Haven't seen any in device showcase

People probably too busy playing with them

[blazing bough]

Great device

It's a t618 so you're hard pressed to see any real difference emulation wise for earlier devices

The screen is a highlight imo

[quick cloak]

What are you playing? I've been playing PSP on a couple devices with crappy sticks lately

Should probably use my Mangmi Air X more

[blazing bough]

PSP and PS1 mostly tho I have done a couple pokemon GBA runs

[quick cloak]

Yeah was playing PS1 alongside PSP on these same devices as well

Pokemon runs I'm still trying to beat yellow, my first pokémon game

[blazing bough]

I'm not committing to anything too long yet just because GammaOS is in the works

[quick cloak]

That's the only reason I picked one up, that and it was used

[blazing bough]

I bought a review unit off of someone a while back

[quick cloak]

Color? I think the black base might actually be one of the best looking, most underwhelming devices lately.

The glass front with the black buttons is very sleek

[blazing bough]

I went with retro DMG

I've seen a lot of praise here for the white pro color

Unfortunately I get bothered by the colored buttons of the pro I've skipped listings for that

[quick cloak]

Same, not a fan of those buttons

[brittle pivot]

Excellent. My favourite type of games!!

[fossil rose]

Thank you! Mine too! But I went intentionally lower-effort there and didn't cover everything and anything. I really enjoy driving games, I just wish there were more modern big budget rally ones

[blazing bough]

Ok now I need to get a vita pro

just learned that muOS is in the works for that

[high junco]

How many devices do you own so far?

[blazing bough]

i have at least one cabinet full

[high junco]

Wow, what would you say your favorites are then?

[blazing bough]

34XXSP and Retroid Pocket Classic

if we're counting pc handhelds then Legion Go as well

[high junco]

Ah, a little bit of each kind of device then

[silver idol]

Most of us are unfortunately still waiting for Custom Firmware. I'm going to test the Alpha build for Knulli soon.

[glacial gust]

Oh man

I wish it wasn't $150

[devout plinth]

it's not, wait 2 months for the usual 15% discount

[thick orchid]

the vita? i thought that will only get Gamma?

oh you meant pro?

[thick orchid]

the shipping cost legit brings it back to 150

and we cry

[devout plinth]

the shipping cost for new devices usually $25, older devices $15, just normal anbernic's MO

or buy from 3rd party, usually free shipping

the rg ds msrp $99, now people can get it for around $85 free shipping

[silver idol]

Both honestly.

[dapper ivy]

Mine is still in transit as of now.

[novel cipher]

I want to put a thermal pad between the cpu and the back plate of the rg vita pro, does anyone know the interval

My rg vita pro hasn't arrived yet

[fossil rose]

Both are. Which I hope isn't a spoiler?!

[blazing bough]

Don't worry Gamma announced it a while back

[lament birch]

there's about 3-4mm clearance directly above the CPU, and then the back plate isn't flat, there's about another 2 ish mm of plastic in a large grid pattern before you get to the flat outside. A thermal pad by itself isn't really going to get you much

[brittle pivot]

The bird has landed

[atomic flare]

May actually make it worse. Thermal pads are really only good if you can still compress them down to be thin. 3 mm of gap filled with pad instead of air could make it worse.

[lament birch]

agree

[dapper ivy]

thermal pads are generally used to transfer heat to a piece of metal - preferably a heatsink but often also metal backplates on GPUs

a thermal pad on its own won't do much if it cannot transfer the heat into something that has some decent heat capacity, and a plastic shell is more of a thermal insulator anyways so connecting that with the CPU doesn't seem like a good idea

[chrome gale]

For example: the metal backplate of the Trimui Brick. Great explanation BTW!

[keen wing]

Found a sink I think is aluminum. Better than nothing. Had to smash the fins down.

[glacial gust]

Why not just get a copper shim

[keen wing]

That would be fine too. This was what I had on hand.

[lament birch]

looks like a hedgehog

[quick cloak]

Saw that hairstyle in SLC Punk

[lament birch]

here's what i did

28x28x3 heatsink off of ali-x, back closes no problem

not sure if it helps

no i haven't tested it to see if it makes a difference

[keen wing]

Looks good to me. I was a bit worried about shorting out solder points. On the upper right, it looks like it is resting on a chip. Should be ok.

[lament birch]

yeah it juuuuuuuuuuust doesn't touch it

[fossil rose]

Anecdotally? Do you 'feel' like maybe it is a little better to you?

[lament birch]

i think so, isn’t going to hurt

[little crescent]

why anbernic dont put a 0.50 dolar fan there they would have many in stock from other devices really cheapass move really

[lament birch]

penny saved is a penny earned!!

i’m really not sure if it’s even necessary

[little crescent]

but at last would add a rason to his pro name

[novel cipher]

i'll try this thx

I was going to put copper tape on the back and connect it to the thermal pad

[worn topaz]

is there any good in-depth comparisons with a real vita yet?

[blazing bough]

In terms of what

it's much bigger if you mean size

[twilit egret]

I tried it like this,

1. copper slice as a thermal buffer and spacer to prevent heat transfer from mb and emcp
2. 2242 ssd heatsink on it
3. the result is ...

[young ferry]

interesting...

[worn topaz]

everything honestly, like a video specifically focused on that

most reviews ive seen just sorta compare it for a few secs

[blazing bough]

I don't think there's a specific video

In terms of retro emulation any of these devices in this range out does a Vita with the exception of Vita games of course

which is mostly cause vita emulation just isn't there yet

[silver idol]

Got a link for that Heatsink on AliExpress?

[lament birch]

just do a search for 28x28x3

[mighty pumice]

How do those copper shim/heatsink stay attached/fixed in place? Some thermal glue?

[twilit egret]

Thermal pads are put in every layer and the backplate holds it in place.

[dapper ivy]

Idk, if you check the data of the stress test runs even after a while (unsure if 20 minutes or runs there) it stays at or below 83°C which shouldn't be problematic.
I can get behind asking them to put a copper heatsink on it for more surface area but asking for a fan seems a little odd. Small fans usually make terrible sounds and then you deal with more moving parts, punching holes into the back etc. and that doesn't seem worth it from what we can see with the temps.

[dapper ivy]

how tall did your solution end up being? wonder if this would fit, the RK3576 package size is listed around 17x17mm so if this isn't too tall I might look into it

seems to be the closest you can get from what I found on ali and amazon

[keen wing]

5 is likely too tall. Not sure what I squashed the other one down to.

[dapper ivy]

I see, I saw some 17x17x3mm options as well, probably the better fit unless I want to use a file on it

[keen wing]

The back cover has supports that can be trimmed too. Wish I had the perfect number for you. It's something like 4.5ish.

[dapper ivy]

No worries, it's hard to measure with the distance being between the plastic shell and the chip. This is already helpful for ballpark numbers.

[frail wadi]

it's too different to be worth comparing, they only kinda look similar but that's where the similarities end

[teal sonnet]

Just seen all the talk about heatsink mods or adding copper shims , does this thing run hot and thermally throttle ?
What is the main issue , haven't been here a while so this is kind of surprising to see

Still might be interested in this device but not if it has issues

[keen wing]

This is the best detail I've seen. https://youtu.be/PkZlv8TdrWs?t=432 Didn't run a specfic test on my own.

[teal sonnet]

Thanks will watch , not sure how I missed a Russ Video

[keen wing]

The heat is certainly concentrated. A spreader should help. He didn't show the benchmarks over time or vs the same chip in other systems which would show thermal throttling. Either way, a bare chip is the worst scenario.

Not a lot of data on the chip itself. This was the best I found which was on a random site. The need for cooling is, typcally related to power draw. IMHO Anbernic cheaped out. Wish I would've run some benchmarks now 🙂 . Should be an obvious change in sustained performance if it is throttling.

[keen wing]

Hope this app actually does what it says it does.

[teal sonnet]

It wouldn't be Anbernic if they didn't half-ass it somewhere along the line , typical .
They probably have a warehouse full of dirt cheap mini fans somewhere which would of probably cost them 50 cents or less and helped keep things cooler .

[lofty kestrel]

is the base t618 overheating or something

[keen wing]

Yeah, the hollowness if this device is really noticeable.

[keen wing]

I'm poorly checking for thermal throttling on the pro

[lofty kestrel]

RP3+ units would do that when put on the highest performance rating. literal zero to 85c

there are apps for that if it's unlocked. 3C comes to mind, since it unbreaks the stock rg557 settings

[keen wing]

Again, not sure if this app is accurate, this is 5 minutes on the pro.

[lofty kestrel]

that is indeed a throttle rollercoaster

[keen wing]

Going to try direct air to see if it levels out.

[lofty kestrel]

jumping between 65 and 85c is normal for high-perf arm devices though.

[keen wing]

Thought throttling stairstepped?

[lofty kestrel]

all phone throttling tests look like this

[keen wing]

With direct air

[lofty kestrel]

still looks like you're going to lose 10% at the very least of your fps a minute into a heavy game. 20% and without a blower

[teal sonnet]

Max is such a cheap bastard a simple cheap fan could of prevented this , This is my main reason I don't typically buy Anbernics anymore when they do things right they make some amazing handhelds like the RG476H but those are few and far in between

[lofty kestrel]

ick. he didn't even cool the pro. that's not good

[keen wing]

Going to try wildlife extreme and compare my scores to the 279 russ got in his video

[lofty kestrel]

this would have been ideal.

you might be able to jam a pi4 heatsink kit in there for the cpu and ram

[keen wing]

I'm not a fan of fans 🙂 . They are usually too high pitched. Just the sink an passive if possible.

Looks like the benchmark will take some time. Going to post back in a couple hours.

[lofty kestrel]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/317955649737?

try these

[devout plinth]

that's just synthetic test , I highly doubt it would throttle in games

[keen wing]

The point is more if the chip can be used to its maximum. There are games/shaders/upscaling that will hit this max.

[lone imp]

i remember getting into this with the odroid go ultra(62usd these days and 7usd replaceable batteries). it's fun for a while, but i got bored and wanted to get back to playing stuff. rocknix and batocera solidified that old dog

i wonder how the s922x stacks up against the rk3576

lol two more small cores wins the multi.

[keen wing]

The interesting part for me was to see if the lack of a fan was significant in terms of performance. Appears it is only significant in terms of frame pacing and that is when maxed to 100%. Not sure why my scores were lower than Russ'

[lone imp]

A72's and A73's are inconsistent with benchmarks unless you do a full governor override or write your own scaling scripts.

[keen wing]

Even for thermal throttling detection?

[lone imp]

yeah. it's frustrating. Try Ondemand if you're benchmarking. it minmaxes cores

[little crescent]

You can say the same about the soc on the magmi air and still having one, one in silent + heatsink just would solve any problem

[dapper ivy]

it's more of a bonus that won't do a ton, I think people just like making marginal improvements they can get from tinkering but it looks like the chip is fine the way they shipped it

[dapper ivy]

This is expected behavior, people see no fan and say they cheaped out but it seems reactionary to just see it and say that without context, testing with a benchmark does make a lot of sense.

For the record a tiny heatsink won't do much either since the device doesn't have any real airflow it would mostly absorb spikes of heat.
With longer stress tests more surface area would still only be a marginal improvement but that would have been super easy for them to add so it's fair to criticize.

I think people underestimate how trivial it is to add a fan that is nearly inaudible, because if you add a tiny fan and tune it to levels where you almost cannot hear it it's not gonna move a lot of air either.

[dapper ivy]

which problem are we solving though if it's not throttling in tests so far?
@magic jacinth also said he wanted to look into a heatsink but then did a stresstest and found 97% (?) stability so didn't bother

either way I think it is cool to see people exploring this tiny mod but if you come in here and think this is a "necessary fix" for the device that's just not true from the data I have seen so far

[blazing bough]

Getting a pro model probably sometime next week

Wasn't expecting to get both a base and a pro but muOS support does a lot for me

[dapper ivy]

muOS is pretty goated and a 16:9 portmaster machine is also very attractive imo

[blazing bough]

The "main" thing I'm looking forward to is the Doom port in PortMaster lol

The one with GZDoom and other source ports

[dapper ivy]

don't get me wrong I really like Doom, Quake and other oldschool shooters but I really need keyboard and mouse to play them

still cool so many got ports though

over 1300 games on portmaster means there is a lot, I want to play Gravity Circuit and a full run of Shovel Knight on the vita pro

[dapper ivy]

who knows maybe I should try just to test again, seems like the sticks are much better than switch sticks on the cubeXX

[blazing bough]

The hall effect ones here feels much better than most of the sticks on the xx line

[silver idol]

Pretty close! I also used to fuck around with an Odroid N2 Plus. I'm considering on buying another Odroid SBC.

[lusty adder]

@thick orchid PS2 emulation , even if it's poverty line , without a fan is actually asking to have a mini radiator in your hands. I can see Max pulling that off in 2026. Reminder that when they fine tuned the 405 line with improved models , they had a fan 💀

[blazing bough]

did that fan actually do anything tho

unless you put it on full blast

[little crescent]

To the user help I'm having a less hot device, I'm not talking about having more performance is "pro" and don't even have heatsink.

And if with custom firmware you can undervolt and overclock the SOC to gain more maximum powert having a fan and heatsick would help, anbernic was a cheapass they have this part for every other device this not even need a custom part.

[keen wing]

Anyone know the default user and password for the pro's anbernic linux for the simple http server access?

It was under settings -> system settings -> security | username root password anbernic

[little crescent]

use rocknix is better

[keen wing]

Where's the build for the RGVita pro https://rocknix.org/devices/ ?

[lament birch]

not official yet

[chrome patio]

The fan in the 405v made the t618 more thermally stable

[undone hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/loki-yes-avengers-gif-14022149

[silver idol]

Still unfortunately in alpha. 🥲

[silver idol]

Same problem with the RG-DS sadly. I thinking of 3D Scanning and then attempting to enlarge the back shell of the RG-DS.

[lusty adder]

I'd think it wouldn't improve any performance but it would help the chip not to melt while playing

[blazing bough]

It's why I put "full blast" part

I generally don't like it when the device sounds like a jet engine

If a game is making it sound that much on auto then I just won't play that game

[lusty adder]

The heatsink is the battery 💀 Anbernic will churn out a lot of that stuff now and the excuse will be the rampocalypse

[lusty adder]

If the underpowered chip can " play " PS2 and GC then it needs a fan , these systems take a toll on the T618 and RK chips and they know it. Same as when you experiment with PS3 emulation on a Gen2 chip , the fan is there for a reason.

[blazing bough]

I suppose

I just see this device as my psp machine so that doesn't come up

[little crescent]

Heatsink apocalypse

[little crescent]

Go to their discord they public the build there the last one have psvita

[blazing bough]

Just wait for muOS :3

The whole reason why I grabbed a pro model even tho I owned the base

[dapper ivy]

it literally doesn't though, the hotspot from the shared benchmark was 83°C and the rockchip documentation says under load 80°C is an average you can expect
seems a little weird that people just use their gut feeling to claim it's out of spec or problematic - sure it could be better but it's not like the device will break

[dapper ivy]

this also makes no sense, thermals scale with power draw so whenever the CPU and GPU draw a lot of power it gets hot. sure some systems can be more demanding but that's why you use stresstests which are synthetic benchmarks that can stress everything at the same time in an unrealistic way most applications wouldn't

there is no barrier where as soon as you emulate console X you need active cooling, it entirely depends on the chip if that's the case or not

[lusty adder]

Yes but they didn't put a fan in there to cheap out and save like what ? $2 per unit ? Active cooling exists for a reason , it would surely be good to have it there

[little crescent]

That is what I'm saying, you can say all the blah blah and logical technical correct argument you want, that don't save anbernic being a cheepasss in no using fan and heatsink like in a rg476 and this even have a heatsink well at last something but have nothing and is the "pro" how much would cost to anbernic add a fan that already use in other device, I don't care about the argument that technically don't need it because have it would be a plus.

[dapper ivy]

yeah right fuck logic

wonder if you also own a phone with active cooling then, can't believe apple and samsung have been cheaping out for years xD

stuff like this is a design decision not just the matter of what it would cost to add

[keen shell]

Just wanted to write this. It’s the same story every time with Anbernic. I mean the low end devices are fine, but after a certain point they should start putting more effort in these things. It’s always the same “oh the community will fix it, Gamma is probably working on better firmware”. Call the guy, give him some money which he has more than rightfully earned and deserved and you’ll be able to ship a working device with the best possible OS and then ask ChatGPT to aid you in better thermal performance tips, or any mofo that has been building a PC in the last 40 years. Sorry, this makes me a bit angry.

[lusty adder]

Samsung and Apple are not gaming companies , they don't build their phones for emulation. Anbernic builds handheld consoles therefore it should have the proper parts for gaming

[dapper ivy]

Evidently emulation can also work without active cooling, many handhelds don't have fans which is why I said it depends on the chip.

Now if this thing seriously lost performance because it lacked a fan I would totally agree it's stupid that it doesn't have one but doesn't look like that's the case.

Either way you can still have the opinion that this should have had a fan, nothing wrong with that. To me it just felt a little weird to imply that cost saving was the only reason this was done, there is more to consider than just the cost of it when adding a tiny fan - those often either get loud or if you tune them to be very silent they no longer move a ton of air so it begs the question if one is needed.
And I also think I understand the argument that this device has a higher price than the H700 line or a tiny miyoo handheld. Either way hope that clears it up.

I def understand the desire to have it anyways but I think it wasn't only a matter of being cheap, that's all.

[little crescent]

Is not the same, this solutions ask 0 redesign of anything the part would be the same as rg476.

[dapper ivy]

that's not true, adding a fan is always design work

you want to do that in the planning stage because if the board is densely packed you need to decide how you want the air to be ejected, where the fan connects etc.

[devout plinth]

I personally would not buy any handheld with a fan

[dapper ivy]

I think for this chip passively cooled is actually the better option

but hey it's an opinion at the end of the day

[dapper ivy]

I bet the testing just showed that the benefits of a fan didn't amount to much which is why they skipped designing it with one

if they decided for active cooling at the start of the design there is a good chance the board layout and other things would look very different

[lusty adder]

Not everyone wants to emulate until the psp forever though

[lusty adder]

They didn't put a fan in there for the same reason they're using an old outdated chip on the base version and some weak TV box chip for the "pro". They are cheaping it out. Even their guy on that chinese forum said " Who cares it doesn't have a fan , it's cheap" , by "cheap" they mean closer to the 406 line price

[dapper ivy]

you can open this thing up and blast the chip with a 200mm high pressure fan and add a 2kg metal heatsink with a ton of fins, it won't change performance much or if you can "emulate above PSP"

it's true that right now mobile chips that emulate higher end systems often draw an amount of power that is designed to work with active cooling but this chip is not one of them

you certainly can add it but we have been over the fact that it makes no difference to performance

if you want PS2, GC and above this will never be the device for that because the chip is too slow, no matter how you cool it xD

[lusty adder]

I didn't write that for performance boost , that's why i wrote poverty line ps2 before. But since there is the possibility of playing "some" ps2 in there then it will make that chip run hot and it doesn't hurt to have a fan.

[dapper ivy]

if it doesn't throttle much and holds 97% stability in a benchmark PS2 should also be fine

these benchmarks are made to test limits, if they somehow ran cooler than PS2 emulation they failed at doing their job

so yeah the chip just doesn't draw enough power to throttle hard which is why they decided against a fan

"wouldn't hurt" as you said, it would lower temps
but also temps are not currently too high from what we have seen - maybe in higher ambient temps though, that could be an edge case

and the relation of temps and performance is usually that if chips get way too hot (hotter than what I have seen with the RK3576 so far) they will obviously throttle down clocks to not overheat which can tank performance, if anybody observed that happening please share, it would change the discussion

[keen wing]

That's part of the point. In my view, it's more than a slight performance loss. It's comfort as well. All that heat being concentrated in one place rather than piping it to a place where the hands are not. It was a tradeoff on a $140 device that feels hollow. Seems like they made an unreasonable choice. Now that I've played on it, this wasn't the worst choice they made...

[dapper ivy]

can't comment on how it feels in the hand, if it gets too hot there maybe there is more incentive for a fan than I thought

we will see, mine should arrive this coming week

[little crescent]

That is the reason, get hot when you are playing, In my argument never care about winning performance on stock but get uncomfortable playing after a while a fan and heatsink would help, the trimui smart pro S SOC might not need one and is a cheaper device than this but have one, because trimui learn about the trimui smart is not just power is comfortability.

[dapper ivy]

fair enough, maybe I got too caught up with the benchmarks then and didn't see that side of the argument

[little crescent]

Man if anbernic adds a fan in the early stages design would not cost much or anything because they need to design the PCB either way.

[dapper ivy]

yeah you are right

well they won't add one now so hopefully it's not too bad

[quick cloak]

So what it's cheap?

Anbernic gives shit so people have to Mad Max them.

Fun times for Linux peeps

[dapper ivy]

@keen wing did you notice a difference in how warm it felt in your hands with and without heatsink added? kinda doubt it but would be interesting if you did pay attention to that part

[teal sonnet]

Agree 100% , I have a love hate relationship with Anbernic , when they finally put some effort into things and get things right for example the RG476H it's a amazing device but then we get devices like the RG DS and RG Vita where it looks like they put in the bare minimum to get something out the door just for some quick cash , sure the RG DS is in a better place because of community support but it shouldn't have to come to that + another reason many want a small fan in the RG Vita is to not to kill the battery so quick and everyone knows heat and battery life don't play well together

[devout plinth]

no we don't, battery can withstand heat very well, if you open modern phones you'll see them use battery as heatsink quite often, either with metal midframe or copper/graphene sheets

if you watch the latest samsung s26 teardown, the vapor chamber is literally underneath the battery

[subtle shuttle]

This isn’t even getting into how chips running hotter actively use more power than the same exact chips running colder due to subthreshold leakage.

Basically, when CPU’s and APU’s start getting really particularly hot, the transistors inside of them stop fully shutting off when they’re supposed to, so they start leaking out electrical current like a leaky faucet. And the hotter the chip gets, the worse the leak becomes at an exponential rate.

Keep in mind, all the electricity that’s leaking still obviously counts as electricity that’s being used, so you end up in scenarios where a cpu that’s running with worse cooling will outright have a notably higher power draw than the exact same cpu that instead has better cooling in spite of both running the exact same thing.

Long story short, even ignoring whether or not the heat would directly affect the battery’s longevity, depending on how much current the fan itself would be taking (because obviously that would still have an impact on total device power draw, you can’t just ignore everything but the apu alone when looking into battery life) there is a legitimate possibility that this thing is getting worse battery life than it would otherwise get if it had a good enough active cooling fan.

[lone imp]

if only charts guy was here to comfirm all of this with a [WALL OF CHARTS]

unfortunately that's wishing for a hurricane when all you need is a drizzle

[keen wing]

Not really any change noticed. The heat would need to be brought somewhere my hands were not holding to make the difference I really wanted.

[dapper ivy]

sounds expected yeah, would you say it's just warm or actually hot enough where touching it is uncomfortable

[keen wing]

A bit warmer than warm. Not to where it was agitating.

[dapper ivy]

yeah but then chips are also expected to operate with certain ranges of thermals and power draw in mind, so some of it is expected behavior
pretty much everything you do is a tradeoff with stuff like that, if they did a decent job designing the chip in a way where passive cooling was one of the targets it shouldn't be all that problematic at the end of the day

but chip design and handheld design are obviously 2 different things

[lofty kestrel]

Will it overheat in double-dash? If yes, it needs help.

[young ferry]

Define overheat

Do you mean thermal throttle or thermal shutdown?

Though I don’t think I’ve had it throttle at all yet

Admittedly haven’t played for an extended time though

[thick orchid]

Pro is discounted by a further $2 already

[fossil rose]

It’s always the same “oh the community will fix it, Gamma is probably working on better firmware”.

Call the guy,

Just to be a stickler, and I'm sure you already know this, but they sent devices to community developers (GammaOS, Knulli and to Rocknix - by way of Macromorgan anyway) way in advance this time around. They did 'call'.

It was the first time they'd done so, and I can tell you none of these devs were unhappy about this.

(Actually, Rocknix was a bit confused when I checked in with them for a quote, and said Anbernic thinks macromorgan is Rocknix. So there's that to keep in mind I guess?)

[thick orchid]

dafuq. didnt they use to piss people off coz they WONT do this