AYANEO Pocket DS

[untold echo]

Cursed image 🤣

[polar jacinth]

I own Evo, Micro, DMG. Had Pocket Air. As well as multiple X86 Aya’s. None have had a good sound. Among each device having their own issues. I still have an S2 on way. So I will probs save some money and wait for reviews first.

[torn pasture]

I don't really trust any video for sound quality. I hate even doing the tests in my own videos because it's like... how much value does a microphone recording of speakers have in actually knowing what it sounds like. If speakers are REALLY awful, it comes across, but for anything in average to good territory it's hard to hear differences when you're not in person.

That said I agree that almost every Ayaneo device has had pretty subpar sound. For the windows handhelds I used EQ to fix it, but with android that's a bit more of a nightmare requiring root and magisk modules.

[slender flame]

if it was a recording of just 1 device, youre right what does a microphone sound test accomplish

but if you compare it to other devices, it provides enough context to be useful

[golden rain]

Yea I just refunded my order

I'll just wait

[silver heath]

I’m just gonna wait till after reviews to decide on whether or not cancel my pre-order, since they usually send review units way before actual consumer units.

[agile surge]

man if only this was OLED bottom

[river horizon]

The thing that Pocket DS has over Thor right now, is a clearly working software experience

but the audio is definitely, not premium

[olive dawn]

Tbh only software I need on ds android is azahar and melonds ds for... and those work the same

[river horizon]

that is a fair view actually

[fervent night]

anyone have any idea how big the cooler is on this thing? the g3x gen 2 likes to ramp up to 92C lol

[silver heath]

Should actually be around the same size as the Flip 1S’s cooler, so it’s literally running on a cooler meant for a high end x86 handheld.

[ionic night]

Same

[ionic night]

Audio is definitely my sticking point at the moment

https://tenor.com/view/happy-halloween-halloween-knife-stab-slashing-gif-15612596

[river horizon]

i've got my preorder in for Pocket DS and Thor now, so will just wait for the early impressions

[ionic night]

Waiting on my preorder for the Thor tbh.

$10 difference isn't as big as deal to me.

Putting that money into stocks

[tulip fox]

Same here man, which colours did you go for? I've got the retro gray DS and went black for the Thor

[river horizon]

I got black 12gb in the Pocket DS and rainbow 12gb in the Thor

opposite of you 😄

[tulip fox]

hah, yeah I'm still really tempted by the rainbow....

[patent sleet]

Just don’t play the same content on both screens

[tropic widget]

The brightness better just be independently changeable

Imagine playing a darkly themed game on top while browsing a guide page with no dark mode on the bottom

Will basically give you sunburn on your chin

[plain turret]

anyway, I reached out to LightenPan about the DS, got a positive response, but let's see

[polar jacinth]

Wife would hate that. Can see it now 😅

[tropic widget]

Haha. Yeah. I'd never be allowed to play it in a dark room near my SO

[fervent night]

If my pocket ds order went through, I’d prolly cancel thanks to this pic lmao

[tropic frost]

https://tenor.com/view/marie-kondo-spark-joy-this-sparks-joy-this-one-sparks-joy-netflix-gif-26883533

This but the opposite

[silver heath]

That’s what I’m hoping for the Thor as well. In general I’m hoping we’ll be able to change the independent screen settings for both handhelds.

[tropic widget]

Yeah. I mean at least with rocknix it should be something they can enable

[torn pasture]

I think that pic is overblowing the difference by being in a dark area with camera exposure jacked up. Also often looks worse on camera than to your eyes. Not saying there won’t be a noticeable difference - just that that pic probably makes it look way worse.

I’ve also seen cameras kinda pick up a reflection that makes it looks brighter that you don’t see with your naked eye.

[olive dawn]

Well yeah obviously

[hollow edge]

where did you land on the idea that maybe...just maybe, an x86 could cover everything? I struggled with it when it came to the evo and the onexfly, and kind of struggling with it here, debating whether to buy the flip 1s or the pocket ds.

cost aside obviously

[runic ingot]

Cost aside, I’d go for an android / linux handheld for dedicated emulation stuff due to battery life + sleep mode but especially the ds / 3ds libraries because the emulators and dual screen layouts play more nicely on Android than on Windows.

I know the novelty of dual screens for general x86 / single-screen gaming along with guides / watching other content is there but it’s just not something I think many will actively be doing once the honeymoon phase is over — opting instead to shut one display off in favor of battery life, especially if you go x86 with that small battery and poor efficiency when compared to Android.

Just my thoughts, I see a reason to have dedicated DS android device to pair with x86 handheld

[olive dawn]

if its for DS/3DS gaming alone and you dont plan to do much more

go for android ... if you want to do soem actzal pc realted things with it .. that may change it ... but with only the hx370 version being available .. its tough sell

[hollow edge]

these are great thoughts guys thanks. totally right about the battery life too, keep forgetting that it is 45Wh. I have a G1 OXP and it's pretty great but I only bust it out for PC gaming, there was part of me that thought hey if I can combine the two, that would be ideal, but you're right, it's just so inefficient in it's power usage and sleep.

[olive dawn]

i basically went for 1s DS .. because a) pocket DS is too big for what i want out of dualscreen android , b) was lucky to grab the 8840u sku and c) will actually use it for other work/hobby related needs stuff more than for gaming and for that batery life is nonissue

[torn pasture]

Well the f1 pro hx370 was suppose to be end all but then o felt guilty about the cost. I will just say that after several devices I am back to a f1 pro 8840u and the red magic Astra tablet. The f1 could almost be one and done but I do like having a larger screen device. Maybe the Lego 2 could be the one. Just gonna be heavy.

[hollow edge]

yeah i saw you came back to the F1, that says something for sure. The evo i grabbed from you is maybe my favorite device i've ever owned, it's big for the screen(the most beautiful screen i've ever used), but it's so comfortable and tears through anything. With you on having a larger screen device, the 8.8 G1 is nice, just heavy, Lego 2 would be great, but I do like being able to dock to my Egpu, and that seems like a hassle on Legion go.

I also actually just prefer a 16x10 screen for retro which these screens tend not to be, 16X10 on the lego/G1 really lets 4:3 fill the space.

[olive dawn]

i think i am starting to have ptsd from this guys hinge

[runic ingot]

Lol my wife just exclaimed “WTF is that? That is scary” as she heard this sound from afar on full blast 🤣

[proven void]

omg

that snap at going to 180 too

idk if that's intended but i've never taken any hinge that far lol i keep thinking it's gonna break

[tropic widget]

180 is one of my favorite ways to play, so hopefully all of these are capable of that

[hollow edge]

oof, and this is NOT the one that cracked?

[tulip fox]

This is the one that cracked. Same guy

[fervent night]

i want 180 for bed

[silver heath]

Same, playing it 180 is disturbing to me.

[silver heath]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-bell-game-of-thrones-walk-of-atonement-cersei-lannister-gif-16635977892557113898

[tropic widget]

I play in many positions. Occasionally with it held out in front of me

It's good to have options

[torn pasture]

I see you also practice handheld kama sutra

[tropic widget]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-black-sexy-hello-hola-looking-good-gif-7557694548958901002

[finite quest]

I showed this in my Pocket Ace video, you have to crank up the ISO for the light bleed to be really noticeable. Otherwise you're not really gonna know when you're just playing games

[tulip fox]

It is 100% Reddit ragebait. But yes if anyone finds a retro game where you have entirely black pixels on a background of black pixels then it is going to look poor on the lcd….

[tropic widget]

Yeah. There's no avoiding it in the end

[fervent night]

the black levels are noticeable when playing in the dark in bed with the display in your face at 180 degrees 😆

[tropic widget]

Nah. Dark room anywhere is probably enough

Again if brightness is individually adjustable it's not an issue

[river horizon]

https://youtu.be/P3z7gmX5F8A?si=E-f9yYrOItDTFx1L

Another review popped up on YouTube

[mild crystal]

they make pretty ladies that review handhelds??

[tender kraken]

That video makes it look absolutely gigantic. I love it.

[river horizon]

she's probably a bit of a small person to begin with, but yes its definitely not small

i was thinking of keeping both my thor and pocket ds pre-orders until reviews come out, but i actually think i may end up keeping both

it looks like an awesome do everything at home console, thor for commuting and travel

[tender kraken]

That's what Im thinking too. Admittedly not getting a Thor but primarily because I use my handhelds at home and have a DMG if I go somewhere with a waiting room like a Dr appt or oil change.

[slender flame]

the color difference in the screens showing the same content...

[weary spire]

That looks like they are set to different brightness levels. Top is completely blown out so colors wont be accurate to what youd see in person.

[slender flame]

and another shot

[river horizon]

Gameboy DMG or Ayaneo DMG?

[tender kraken]

Ayaneo

[weary spire]

Same issue just the other way.

[river horizon]

i suspect a little bit of tuning will go a long way to making them closer to identical

[weary spire]

Comparing displays on camera is very difficult.

[tender kraken]

When I got into the hobby I kind of stumbled onto it when I was looking for a gift for a friend. Got him a Miyoo Mini +. Had a ton of fun setting it up and getting everything going and did a ton of research and ended up getting a DMG for my second lol.

[fervent night]

i like to play in bed, so backlight bleed on lcd is a no no

[silver heath]

Yeah, top screen looks a lot worse thanks to the brightness. Hopefully in person it’s as good as the bottom screen.

[weary spire]

Yeeeeeaaaa, in the dark itd be best to keep it off or playing 4:3 content.

[river horizon]

what a great way to start out! i had a bitboy back in 2019 then the RG351P

[fervent night]

or maybe the lcd backlight bleed is good, so you remember youre holding a handheld and dont drop it on your face. or realistically you'll drop it on your face anyway cause you fell asleep

[river horizon]

my wife and i have a no screens in the bedroom policy, otherwise that would be me

i have a recliner in my study that i spend a bit of time in, it'll happen there 😄

[fervent night]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Eg_j0MR911s

[tropic widget]

Forreal? That just looks like OLED vs LCD to me 😆

[silver heath]

Traditionally the OLED is supposed to look less washed out at the same brightness.

[silver heath]

Like, this at the very least looks more accurate to what you’d expect.

[tropic widget]

Less washed out but also less bright

I dunno. Looks how it's supposed to me. Like the colors look more vibrant and shapes sharper. They just look darker. Which is normal for an oled

Or were we talking about the apps. My bad. Yeah. That looks the opposite

Might depend on the room, lighting and viewing angle to some degree. Like I doubt the LCD just has that gradient all the time

But the game looks how I would expect

Which for me at least looks jarring

[river horizon]

i actually reckon its going to take a bit of time to get used to DS/3DS at that size

im so used to original hardware, that DS one is particularly BIG

[tropic widget]

The bottom screen is quite large

[river horizon]

my comments are related to my experience also

[tropic widget]

I'm honestly ok with taking some black bars on the Thor and running it at a more normal top to bottom ratio

I could see how it'd be great outside DS games tho

[river horizon]

yeah, im not allergic to black bars but respect that some people are

[tropic widget]

Yeah. For sure

[river horizon]

same thing with frame rates

the younger generation cant handle anything under 100hz 😄

slow refresh rate familiarity is a gift for the older of us

[weary spire]

No need to exaggerate dude. I get it, har har lcd bad and all that. But the only real downside to non oled vs oled is contrast ratio. Everything else comes down to manufacturing process and calibration.

[tropic widget]

Haha. Pretty sure my eyes just update slower as well. May also be because smart phones didn't really exist until I was in college. Lol

Was someone exaggerating? I might have missed it

I just think it's funny that in a world where people complain about single framerate latency and thin black bars on an OLED anyone would be ok with an LCD and OLED right next to each other. Like my old ass eyes can clearly see the difference. But if it doesn't bother some people that's fine

[river horizon]

its good that the technology is at the point that it is, everyone can have a choice and a preference rather than "bad luck, CRT for everyone"

[limpid wigeon]

i'm gonna use shaders to mimic the genuine nintendo tn panel experience

tn-blb-v2-NWCorner.slangp

[slender flame]

I'm in my mid 40s and can't handle sub 100. But I've been a PC gamer and always get high end.

[river horizon]

you have grown with the times friend 😄

[tropic widget]

Think it's somewhat self inflicted

Like once you upgrade something it's hard going back

[slender flame]

I have a 5090 and 4k 240hz OLED monitor. I am fucking spoiled

[limpid wigeon]

a lot of games are just meant for higher refresh rate nowadays

[tropic widget]

Probably some neural adjustment to whatever the new speed is

[river horizon]

bravo, let the good times roll!

[river horizon]

honestly even low FPS games benefit from more refresh rate

[limpid wigeon]

retro games at 30/60 fps tend to be fine

[slender flame]

There are times when something will reset my refresh rate in windows and I'm at 60 and immediately I know something is wrong

[limpid wigeon]

newer action pc indie games that got ported to switch? pretty mediocre experience

[slender flame]

I'm like

[slender flame]

Yeah I'm a huge Hades fan. Bought it for switch before the PC handheld explosion so I could play on the go. At the time it ran sub 60. Never touched it again after I saw that

[slender flame]

Yeah and with OLED motion clarity and then bfi, even better. That's another big issue for me and LCD

[limpid wigeon]

yeap, i'm not sure what the devs target when first developing games but it's probably at least 60fps

they probably just play test at whatever fps their systems can handle which is probably 100+ nowadays

[slender flame]

I've also been really into playing on mister to a crt. The crt motion clarity is unmatched. My eyes just can't do LCD screens anymore

When I had this preordered I planned to never touch the bottom screen outside of ds/3ds. I'd rather play 4:3 on the top screen with black bars but with beam sim

[silver heath]

Nah, I’m only 24 and I’m still used to 60hz just fine. At this point I only care about higher refresh-rates for the lowered input latency, I’d outright be more than fine if AYANEO and/or Ayn ever made a “120hz/60fps” option for Pocket DS/Thor that keeps the top screen at 60fps in software and basically only gives the lowered latency.

[river horizon]

took a bit of time to find an emoji that i think is a sincere agreement, most are actually poking fun 😄

[river horizon]

yeah i tend to run my steam deck at lower FPS but higher refresh

i find its a very good balance

[silver heath]

Oh, since this wasn’t shared on here, I’ll post it.

[river horizon]

is that good/bad?

[silver heath]

Not too sure myself, but from what this comment is saying, apparently good.

I mostly just posted the screen info on here for the sake of having it in the right channel.

[river horizon]

i know that in the various Thor channels around the chatter has been "cancelling Pocket DS IGG order", but the PDS IGG has grown by 200 orders since I looked a few days ago

looks like a pretty successful campaign

[limpid wigeon]

i bet people that regularly buy ayaneo buys all the retroid and ayn products too

[hoary zinc]

There's some double-dipping going on for sure

[tropic widget]

theres probably just some that aren't aware and/or tapped into the community

some people just simply want the bigger screen

[weary spire]

They are both pretty solid screens. With some calibration color accuracy and similarity between the 2 should be great.

Yeah theres good reasons to pick one over the other. They are very similar and trying to be objective i wouldnt say theres a clear winner. I think more people would likely generally go for thor. But its mostly preference reasons.

Oled is better than lcd but the bottom panel is pretty good from the specs we got from a recent reviewer. Full srgb coverage and very accurate. Size and shape are both preferences. Some will value the smaller more pocketable design. Others will value the better comfort and larger displays. Some care a lot about software, others dont as long as the basics work.

And for those of us getting both, we really won twice. Which is great after the tragedy that was then onexsugar.

[tropic frost]

\o/ getting both is the objectively correct choice.

More so for the fact I slept in the for Thor release and ive a pretty low contributer number for the Pocket DS...

[vestal dawn]

I'd have kept the Pocket DS if my bank let the purchase go through 😂

[tender kraken]

I keep going back to the IGG comments and there was one where Aya told someone that an order today won't be expected to be shipped until mid or late Nov.

😬

[tropic frost]

Ooft

[tender kraken]

They also said that Retro Power is likely to ship first but that's pretty normal from them from what I've read.

[solid tundra]

that is a fairly long wait

[fervent night]

its a blessing in disguise for me. it prolly allowed my next campaign funded item to be purchased 🤣

as in it gave my cc a heads up

[weary spire]

In case anyone missed it. Aya sent the rocknix devs a pocket DS. So it will have official support. So far only one image has been shared with only one screen active so development seems early but with how quick they got it working im sure theyll get dual screen support up, hopefully by launch.

[olive dawn]

Lol

Makes me wonder what happened

Cause they were strongly against to ever support dualscreens few weeks ago

[agile surge]

Rocknix: "No dual screen support ever"
Ayaneo: "Here's a free handheld"
Rocknix: "Dual screen support coming"

[weary spire]

The dev that got the unit is over in the aya discord right now. Seems interested in further optimizations with it.

Considering the type of person you need to be to develop a public linux distro thats fairly popular. I imagine its something along the lines of "damn this thing is so cool, must... resist urge... to tinker with it."

[silver heath]

So they are sending dev units. Nice, hopefully Gamma’s also getting one (and you know, that they’ll also actually listen to him).

[silver heath]

I think it was specifically for dual screen support with external detachable displays (particularly display port ones), since getting Linux to work seamlessly with that could potentially be a massive pain. Supporting dual screens that are permanently attached to the device is likely easier.

[olive dawn]

Nah its literally the same ... for linux

Only difference is internally Usbc vs I guess ribbon cable to pcb

But that usually abstracted by the os and acts about the same

So if you are I terfaci g for general support it will work the same for both connections unless you intentionally omit/block it

Ať least from what I remember from my RPi hobbyist friends

[torn shadow]

wym free handheld

oh wait i understand

[tight cape]

That's amazing, this device is going to live and die by the software. Adding another screen adds sooo much complexity but use ability to a device.

But this could genuinely be something special.

[tiny fulcrum]

I saw someone from Ayaneo trying to contact the MelonDS dev through github, too

https://github.com/rafaelvcaetano/melonDS-android/discussions/1465

They should contact Huesos instead lol

[weary spire]

Huesos has a device already

[tiny fulcrum]

I thought it was jerryrigged multiple screens. Not a device with two screens built together using Android.

[weary spire]

Nope. They sent him one recently. He put out an update this morning and snuck in a little bit to the notes that the build was tested on a pocket ds.

Ill go grab the screenshot real quick, it was apart of their livestream this morning too

[tiny fulcrum]

Oh shit, okay. I don't know where he hangs out primarily, I just seem him showing up with awesome updates and figure they deserve it. Nice!!

[weary spire]

Hes also over there right now. Answering questions

[tiny fulcrum]

That is so cool. Thanks for sharing it!

[tepid verge]

who is huesos if I may ask

[tiny fulcrum]

Guy doing the melonds fork, the cemu fork and the ppsspp fork

[weary spire]

Hes the one who's been adding proper dual screen support to melon ds azahar and cemu

[tiny fulcrum]

And I assume contributed to Azahar main

[tepid verge]

so an independant dev, who likes to help out

that's cool

thanks for letting me know

[daring musk]

Why is he doing a ppsspp fork?

[tiny fulcrum]

Why not?

[weary spire]

Oh right, forgot about that one.

[tiny fulcrum]

It's in my clipboard lmao

• Azahar main releases support dual screen
• MelonDS Nightly fork supports dual screen
• Cemu experimental fork supports dual screen, though its implementation atm is very confused
• PPSSPP too while we're at it

[weary spire]

Yeah not really sure what the plan there is. As far as i knew ppsspp is pretty damn good already

[daring musk]

Because its a mature emu so im curious what he is bringing thats not already there

[tiny fulcrum]

Dual screen support.

But to be fair, mature doesn't mean it's without room for improvement.

It only just started letting people mute home screen music when hovering over games.

[daring musk]

Dual screen but from reading it, its just mirroring. I dont get it 😅

[tiny fulcrum]

It's so you can make a focus of a map or something. Zoom in/crop out.

[olive dawn]

i dont think so ... that was mostly done for over half a year, just never merged and tester through

[silver heath]

Mostly just for zooming into a specific mini-map or portion of the ui on the bottom screen.

Russ showcased it in his video on the Retroid Dual Screen.

[tiny fulcrum]

Frankly, the main takeaway here is that these companies recognize the power in strengthening the software side of things and are doing it right by trying to help those devs.

Love to see it.

[river horizon]

I think this is where the Thor release may stumble. Yes the hardware looks nice on paper, but all the work that Aya has done on their user experience and partnering with developers, I don’t get the sense that Ayn has done that

[hoary zinc]

The sharing session today makes it seem like Ayaneo is really putting the effort into the software to maximize the experience for consumers.

[tender kraken]

One thing I was worried about was heat because reporting on the Flip 1S was that it got pretty hot. Dev just said that playing PS2 while watching youtube and it stayed around 48C or so.

[tiny fulcrum]

Yeah. Retroid does it too, actually, so I'm hoping AYN gets on it at some point.

[olive dawn]

tbh i only really need the azahar and melonds to work 😄

and they already do

plus as somone who works in it , i am rather trying to reduce my cognitive load to ever try multitask something more than guied+ game

[silver heath]

Well, AYANEO was a bit more annoying about in the software, or at least specifically the Pocket Ace.

#1349629205620457514 message

#🐈│retro-game-corps message

Thankfully, them working publicly with the community on fixes is at least a good sign that they know about the issues and wanted to ensure they work as intended.

[olive dawn]

tbh i only have experience with pocker micro as far as aya software goes ... and that was kinda dreadfull

[tiny fulcrum]

I mean, I'd like it if Vita worked too, even if that's not a dual screen concern specifically lol

[honest frigate]

https://tieba.baidu.com/f?kw=开源掌机&ie=utf-8

[ionic night]

👀

Well

[tiny fulcrum]

Awesome!

[fervent night]

What are the advantages of rocknix over android again

[thick obsidian]

i think a couple of other emus like for xbox

also portmaster i imagine?

[ionic night]

Xbox, PS3, PC games basically

Still a work in progress though

[fervent night]

Better performance/compatibility for ps3 and pc?

[ionic night]

No clue

[weary spire]

Portmaster pc games will run substantially better. Ps3 is better but by how much i have no idea since i really havent paid any attention to it on android yet.

[daring musk]

I guess it may have some niche use cases

[tulip fox]

there was a photo in the ayaneo discord somewhere showing rocknix working on 2 screens so progress is definitely being made

[tiny fulcrum]

I wonder if this means it'll more or less be transferable to other dual screen devices. Like, I get that it more relies on the chip to if Rocknix can work, but then if any other Rocknix install can be made to see a second screen and act similarly on top.

[golden rain]

Neat but DS on Linux is kinda terrible

I don't know if 3DS is even a thing

[rustic sedge]

they're working with the dev too, I'm pretty sure they can make it work

[olive dawn]

nice to see after how against it the devs originally were .. and the work will be usefull elsewhere too

[tight cape]

Does that mean I can play world of warcraft on my pocket DS? Because if so that is amazing.

[tulip fox]

I mean both of those comments seem to agree with each other. Shipments start in mid October, they’ll be shipped in sequence (although that will be the sequence of first x orders in highest sku then next sku etc etc) and the guy posting is 323 for that particular sku.

[olive dawn]

yeah just posting it so poeple know about their expected shipping time

oh i forgot the other one

[tender kraken]

🙏🙏 Pls be first batch pls be first batch...

[agile surge]

when did you buy?

[tulip fox]

I'm within the first 20 orders and retro gray. I feel like I must be in the first batch but you never know....

[tender kraken]

As soon as the email went out that the IGG went live. I'm sure I'll be early but idk where I am for my model (retro gray) or how big their batches are.

[agile surge]

ah alright, then I'm sure you two will be in the first batch

[tulip fox]

for the DMG and Ace I think I saw batches as big as 60-80 units

but there were also some weird 10-15 unit batches

[tender kraken]

Yeah, that's my fear. This is my first IGG order ever so I have no idea what to expect.

[tulip fox]

you can always post a comment on their IGG and they will tell you when your order is likely to ship (once shipping starts)

they are generally pretty good, this has been by far their most popular campaign though

but you ordered early and went for the top sku

you are most likely first batch

[river horizon]

https://youtu.be/_r0TEP5SVe4?si=Da1mFQdyaIws1_Uv

review from nittrx

Didn’t mention anything about speaker sound quality

But did point out the Color difference between top and bottom screens

[olive dawn]

you mean review from chinese social media 😛

[river horizon]

As opposed to American social media? 😅

[olive dawn]

just saying its not "from nittrix" , but just a reposting + erasing original psoter info + AI translating

[river horizon]

I see, that was not obvious to me
Good on you for clarifying

[olive dawn]

this is good showcase shot though

[river horizon]

The aspect ratios are great. Much better than 1:1 will be in DS for Thor

[olive dawn]

yeah for the dozen good games that needs it 😄

[golden rain]

yea most games, it really doesn't matter

[olive dawn]

ymmw obviously

but i might do those few on rp5+rda instead

just not to be annoyed by discoloring that oled+lcd woulc cause

annyoed the hell out of mne with my sonic rush test

[silver heath]

That’s assuming they don’t mess up on the discoloring for the LG Wing Screen by letting it stay warmer than it should be (where trying to make it cooler in color will just result in the top screen being too cool of a color if they don’t have the controls for each screen separated).

[silver heath]

Or the saturation/contrast not matching for them both.

[olive dawn]

[silver heath]

And keep in mind, this is still something that can happen on the Pocket DS. I’m just pointing out the reality that it’s not exclusive to the OLED/IPS combo, and that even your screen mismatch is likely being caused by an improperly balanced contrast/saturation (unless the literal only difference you’ve actually been complaining about is the black colors being gray from the backlight and not the saturation or contrast).

If we want these issues being avoided on both the Thor and Pocket DS, we need to hope that they’re either taking that into account and making sure to adjust the screens properly, or that they’ll have controls built into the device so that we can tune each screen separately to match them up better.

AYANEO and Ayn are both already showing that we can control the brightness for each screen independently within the software, so as long as they keep that up by having controls for each screen’s contrast/saturation/warmth separately available as well, we should be fine

[olive dawn]

tbh true black colours and are big part of it (games i plan to play have tons of them)
... but yeah lets hope they can both manage it

[tropic widget]

Yeah. Luckily CFW should offer color correction to some degree

I think there's third party apps that can do it too but sometimes they require root access

But yeah, I dont think I've ever seen a 1:1 game let alone play one. But I was in and out that era

[olive dawn]

tbh not sure if those app can do it for each screen separately ... but i guess people will step up if needed

[tropic widget]

Yeah. I'm sure rocknix would allow it at least

[silver heath]

Yup, Ayn in particular will need to be very careful about doing it, just because of the fact that they don’t even have an OLED/IPS combo to use as an excuse (AYANEO shouldn’t use that as an excuse to begin with, but Ayn doesn’t have that as an option at all).

[tropic frost]

Watching this beauty now

[bleak blaze]

melonDS-android v0.2.1 is out now!

This update brings more customization, smarter display behavior, and better layout handling this have been tested successfully on the Ayaneo Pocket DS

What’s new:

Per-ROM external screen & layout settings
Custom ROM names rename games to your liking
Layout scaling if exact match isn’t available
App now detects if launched on an external display and adjusts presentation accordingly

Option to show ROM filename instead of title
This improves usability for handhelds, docks, and dual-screen devices.

Download:
https://github.com/SapphireRhodonite/melonDS-android/releases/tag/0.2.1

Found a bug? Report it here:
https://github.com/SapphireRhodonite/melonDS-android/issues

[bleak blaze]

Well, I have managed to make Azahar as well, 100% compatible with Pocket DS. Expect a fork release and a pull request to the main code today!

[bleak blaze]

https://github.com/azahar-emu/azahar/pull/1341

Azahar v0.0.1 is now available!

This first public release adds full support for dual-screen Android devices, tested on the Ayaneo Pocket DS 🎮

What’s new:

External screen no longer steals input focus from the main emulator
Touch input now works on the external display
Touch events are fully wired into the native core via JNI

This sets the stage for powerful dual-screen emulation.

Download:
https://github.com/SapphireRhodonite/azahar/releases/tag/0.0.1

PR:
https://github.com/azahar-emu/azahar/pull/1341

[tender kraken]

Does anyone in here know if the Ayaneo dock works for their android devices or if it's just made for their handheld PC's? I'm assuming it'd charge just fine, just not sure about the video out and such.

[river horizon]

another video has popped up on YouTube

https://youtu.be/6qbX5ht_bb4?si=V5fsISHA4RFB8z9B

[strong jolt]

In for one, I feel like this will be my end all be all device. Replacing my steam deck, RP5 and N3DS.

[olive dawn]

i could see the logic for ro5 and n3ds 😄

deck allows to play completely different kind of games than ARm based device like this

[vestal dawn]

It can probably brute force a lot of PC games via Winlator.

[strong jolt]

90% of my gaming on the steam desk is with sunshine running on my proxmox server.

[tropic frost]

As God intended

[tulip fox]

Exactly, streaming is the way forwards

[mild crystal]

wish there was a way to give my cluster access to my home rig without having to have it run 24/7

[strong jolt]

I switch between using it for AI and using it for gaming via a python script and PWA as I’m using a retail card and don’t have access to vGPU

[upper linden]

I'm wondering if I should go for this or the thor 🤔 I want this because it has a bigger 4:3 bottom screen and kinda looks better than the thor, then again probably has other issues im not thinking about like thermals knowing ayaneo🤔

[olive dawn]

its ultimately depends on whether you prefer big ize or pocketable size

amd whetzher you want more oled or more lcd

and how improtant are those few NDS games that switch both screens for gameplay

[tropic frost]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[rigid elbow]

That's my thought process on this question lol

[olive dawn]

Cause windows fits my needs for chonky huge dualscreen bettr

And I find having 2 version of pretty much same formfactor a waste .. while thor fits perfectly my eed for android pocketable one

[rigid elbow]

You've never had 2 candybar handhelds at the same time? 🤔😅

[olive dawn]

Only really with RP3+ and 5 as I can't find buyer for 3+

[rigid elbow]

One of the rare people here 😅 commendable 🍻

[olive dawn]

And Flip 1s and Pocket DS is basically same device formfa tor wise

So Thor + flip 1s will fit my needs better

[rustic sedge]

will it be pocketable with the gap? I'm afraid it can break the upper screen

[rigid elbow]

Nothing is pocketable with a grip unless you're wearing a hoodie

And have that big front pocket

[olive dawn]

Well i do have like 20 devices overall .... but but I try to keep 1 per usecase/formfactor

[rigid elbow]

I'm always annoyed by the pocketable question. Depends on what you're wearing and willing to shove in a pocket

[solid tundra]

ah the pocket debate

[rigid elbow]

I try to keep to 4 total devices now. X86, small, medium and large

[rigid elbow]

The dumbest debate 😅

[solid tundra]

i put my devices in my bag and carry it that way. My trouser pockets are not for handhelds 😄

[rigid elbow]

Model s is pocketable. Nothing else should go in a pocket

[olive dawn]

I remember when I was liek that ... just steamdeck, rp3+, 35xx and gpdWin2 is all I will ever need

[solid tundra]

win 2 ❤️

[tender kraken]

Small (35xxSP), Vertical (Pocket DMG), Clamshell/horizontal (Flip 2, soon to be Pocket DS).

I just use my PC instead of an x86 handheld.

[weary spire]

Meanwhile me over here with an order for the retro ds, max thor, and already having a ds lite, 3ds xl, switch 2, pocket evo and a pocket s. Also be me considering a elite device while trying to talk myself into waiting for an evo revision with it.

[daring musk]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-just-stop-please-stop-stop-it-meme-gif-26307878

[olive dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/hoarder-hoarding-messy-room-cleaning-gif-24211763

[tropic frost]

You have problems

Not enough

[upper linden]

Id bite if the buttons were compatible with the 3 😓

[river horizon]

https://youtu.be/IV639xY9D6c?si=A3V-dqbkD7-i0vjo

Lots of 3ds and Ds gameplay footage but some points about stuff like screen size and precision etc

[strong jolt]

I went with Pocket DS because its bigger, I actually like the size of the steam deck, or the Onexplayer one that I had a year ago. (i guess as I get older, I like to see things with a bigger screen, vs pocket-ability.)

[fervent night]

The older you get, the bigger the Fanny pack, the bigger the handheld you can put in there

[strong jolt]

LOL, they call it a murse now

imagine the device you can pull out of this!

[fervent night]

All of them

[strong jolt]

miyoo mini does do well with one handed JRPGs though

[olive dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/lit-old-lady-dab-old-but-still-swag-gif-13302838

[river horizon]

Looking forward to this!

[silver heath]

Hell yeah.

[tepid verge]

https://x.com/retro_dodo/status/1963970681210613948?s=46

Retro Dodo (@retro_dodo)

It has arrived. 👀

X · Sep 5, 2025, 2:21 PM

Of course the reviewer I don’t watch gets it first

[atomic lion]

Will he do the same test to the hinge as what he for the retroid flip? 👀

https://youtu.be/FzRXuvhPvBo?t=2m32s

[tepid verge]

Holy shit

I did not remember that

[ivory carbon]

one of the most irrelevant reviewers in this space, jeez. how can ayaneo still send him devices when he got 20k views on the pocket ace (311k subscribers) and techdweeb got 69k with 202k subscribers

[proven void]

I think that's ayaneo's prerogative, yea?

If they make even one sale off of those 311k subs it's worth the price of sending him one lol

[tulip fox]

Russ should have his soon too then hopefully

[tight cape]

They probably make quite a few sales from each reviewer.

[proven void]

i believe it

[tender kraken]

I don't think I've ever heard of that reviewer...

[tropic frost]

Two days now and no video. Last review being a month ago of the magic x zero 40.

The Brits are just lazy =.=

Russ would have a 40 minute in depth first impressions up by now.

[river horizon]

I don't enjoy Retro Dodo videos, I did watch them for a while a few years ago but found them a thin on useful perspectives and at times just wrong. However I will watch the Pocket DS video assuming it ever comes out

[tepid verge]

Last review oh his I saw the rg351v

[river horizon]

that was a while ago 😄

[golden rain]

The last one I watched (and commented on) was the RG556 one. That was a shitshow

[hoary zinc]

It feels like he's not doing the work/research himself. When Russ does a video, it feels like Russ ran the benchmarks, did the testing, took the screenshots, and really handled the device. When Retro DoDo puts out a video, it feels like someone else did the research and benchmarks, brought it to him, and he made a video about it. Just a lot of disconnect and forced interest.

[river horizon]

yeah, he will always refer to his "team"

something I really appreciate about Russ is the first impression videos

[solid tundra]

Yeah his stuff isn't good

[daring musk]

Stop hating 😋

[solid tundra]

It's Dodo, I'm being tame 😛

[tropic frost]

Being too kind ye mean

[thick obsidian]

https://youtu.be/19owYWm4w-o

[ionic night]

Looking good but man I'm worried how this is going to go.

[olive dawn]

Inmean they are still shipping Pockett S2 ... so don't expect to actually get it this year, unless you grabbed top model in first hour

[polar jacinth]

That top screen was badly stretched for sonic rush! Hopefully he corrects the aspect ratio for full review

[olive dawn]

probably just eta dont even bothering to setup a layout

[rigid elbow]

I love eta videos but got a take em with a grain of salt. He really doesn't do much beyond hype everything he "reviews"

[wintry valley]

To be fair to ETA he does say its a first impressions & that he needs to spend more time with it to make a full review in the video

[river horizon]

Finally!

First impressions in under 24 hours with any luck!!

[ionic night]

As it is written!

[tropic frost]

Retro Dodo now nearly a week with the device still playing with himself ofc

[agile surge]

huh, top screen has a lot more bezel than I was expecting

[ionic night]

Yeah seems it won't have the same problem where the screen is resting on the bottom bumps

[limpid wigeon]

not a real problem

[ionic night]

Piece of mind is piece of mind 😛

Also less smudges on the screen directly at least.

[upper linden]

Says nothing about face buttons of course 😮‍💨

[tight cape]

The beezles is one of the things I hope they fix with the second version.

[tepid verge]

Bezels are perfectly fine for a clamshell. Especially if it means that the screen itself won’t rest on bottom half

[tight cape]

I think they look pretty terrible and really takes away from the device.

If they got rid of them and made the device smaller whilst keeping the screens the same size that would be a good thing for the next version.

[tepid verge]

I just imagine it to leading the rubber stops to leave their mark on the screen

Sometimes you can’t put aesthetics above functionality

[silver heath]

Yeah, plus I honestly think the bezels on the Pocket DS’s bottom screen look pretty good in terms of aesthetic.

Mainly the fact that they stuck to using a black lens for all of the colors, since “using a lens that matches the surrounding plastic” is what usually looks like shit imo.

[tepid verge]

Way better than on its X86 counter part

Thor looks more sleek but less functional

Especially with weird ahh triggers

[agile surge]

I would agree, I would not worry too much about bezels here, it surprised me a bit but it should be a non issue

[tight cape]

Ideally you'd have both.

Personally I think beezles make the device look quite cheap in 2025.

Mayve you are right just a shame.

[tight cape]

Looks ok but imagine if they got rid of them you could move the dpad and bottom stick over a little creating a much better playing experience.

I might be asking for too much but I am hoping that's what they do on the second version.

[silver heath]

Not really, since the screen panel display itself could be around the same size as the lens, if not slightly smaller.

[tight cape]

It certainly does look better than the x86 verison.

So to me this is almost like a third version of that.

So hopefully they follow that trend on the next android version and make it even better.

I can only hope.

[tight cape]

Maybe, I'm not sure would be nice to have both a dual screen and a really nice ergonomic device.

[river horizon]

I actually think the Pocket DS screen ratio looks way better than Thor

So it’s trading off
Neither is optimal really

[fervent night]

pocket ds has g3xg2 right?

from my dmg

[weary spire]

Yea

[bleak blaze]

Azahar v0.0.2 is out now!

This update improves how the app handles multiple displays and screen layouts, especially on dual-screen devices like the Ayaneo Pocket DS

What’s new:

Introduced DisplayHelper to handle which screen is active and where to send touch input
Touch input is now routed only to the screen showing the 3DS bottom screen
Launching from internal or external screen now works properly
Cleaner presentation management
This improves the dual-screen experience for emulators running on handhelds and HDMI displays.

Tested successfully on the Ayaneo Pocket DS.

Special thanks to retrogamecorps for his support and testing during development!

Download:
https://github.com/SapphireRhodonite/azahar/releases/tag/0.0.2

[river horizon]

https://youtu.be/bePNOxxlRUo?si=8ozZnUaQ4XRRFK60

[tepid verge]

https://www.youtube.com/live/s_IjtGACpgA?si=3TsOTv2BZPAwmaJK

[bleak blaze]

good news, my fixes for Azahar for the Pocket DS will be on the main azahar build!, in the 2124 build!

[silver heath]

Already watching it, currently punching the air and celebrating at the face buttons and D-Pad being confirmed to be clicky micro switches.

https://tenor.com/view/crushed-it-gif-18087987023179949748

Glad to see AYANEO didn’t listen to tactile button haters and ruin this thing, one of the more minor reasons I was more excited for this than the Thor was because I was hoping they’d use the same type of buttons as the Flip 1S.

[tepid verge]

https://youtu.be/XQ4d1rzhofM?si=kR1nmPfEWtpcx13D

[silver heath]

Yup, just finished Techdweeb’s video and already got started on Russ’s.

[tropic frost]

Why does the same guy do two separate videos?

[ionic night]

Content!!!!

[limpid wigeon]

literally why I bought this + I didn't care for ayaneo before i heard of them starting to do microswitches + rubber sheet

Hopefully the konkr devices have them too since they've been doing microswitches since the s2

[tight cape]

That's amazing. It's getting closer and closer to being near perfect.

[limpid wigeon]

flydigi vader 3 dpad changed platformer gaming for me, viable to play on controllers now

i didn't like playing on keyboard for precise movement

[tight cape]

Basically price. Which is ok at the early bird.

It's quite chunky and the controls.

So hopefully on the next device they shrink the beezles down and make the controls better.

And then move the bottom, buttons to the bottom of the device and shrink the top screen beezles to make the device smaller.

Seems nearly perfect on the first go.

[silver heath]

Hopefully they’re using them for at least the D-Pad.

[limpid wigeon]

yea dpad is where it matters way more

[tepid verge]

600$ to not get a black one is atrocious

[silver heath]

At least they’re changing it with the Konkr.

[limpid wigeon]

I got a controller that uses microswitches on face buttons but membrane on dpad because I assumed both would be microswitches

[tepid verge]

Konkr is good step in the right direction

[silver heath]

It’s the same annoying way Ayn does it (alternative colors are available for everything except the base model), but it’s better than what they were doing.

[limpid wigeon]

21:9 aspect ratio top screen for nO bEZels

[wicked finch]

Im pretty sure the konkr dpad is the same as the pocket ace

[tight cape]

I agree but I got the black version I might actually buy a more expensive one if they fixed the beezles as this is close to end game but hopefully the black hides the beezles quite a bit.

[wicked finch]

At least thats what it sounded like to me in that review video

[limpid wigeon]

massive black bars on pretty much all emulation but hey no bezels!!!

[silver heath]

Unfortunately to do that they’ll likely also have to use a smaller bottom screen.

[tepid verge]

Praying it won’t be too smudgy

[upper linden]

Ok im getting the pocket DS over the thor it just has everything I want 😍

Tactile buttons too sold me

Gonna have to save for the week to get the retro power one I want though unfortunately 🙁

[olive dawn]

Sounds like standard aya results

[upper linden]

Damn straight its gonna be the best when it shows up 😍

[agile surge]

looks pretty much like what I expected, if you want big screens and don't mind it being gigantic, it'll be a good time

[livid forum]

🐐

[tight cape]

Me too. I am very excited for this one.

[tight cape]

Personally hope the second gen they put all the effort into making it lighter and thinner and more compact.

Plus add in an integrated stylus.

But right now this is looking nearly perfect.

[agile surge]

that would be the Thor

if compactness matters to you then I think you get the Thor over this

[tight cape]

I kind of want to combined the two. The aspect ratio of the Thor from what I have read isn't good for ds and 3ds.

But I do like the second oled .

But they could make this more compact by getting rid of the beezles so here's hoping they do that on them next generation.

[silver heath]

That or the bezels are around the same size as the display panel itself, meaning they can’t make it any smaller in a way that would help controls.

Like, this isn’t even unique to old panels, the whole reason the 34XX SP had its “forehead” is because of the same issue on “the panel itself being bigger than the visible display” and that shit was supposedly a custom made panel.

[olive dawn]

Tbhbthe aspect ration only really matters for like dozen of DS games

Hald of which are sonic and dq

[ionic night]

Going to wait for Russ to get his hands on the Thor but I might be leaning towards canceling.

Slowly realizing that size might be a problem

[olive dawn]

iirc thor should be around same size to flip2 .. so yeah the size difference is quite big

[tight cape]

Dame really that's a shame.

[tight cape]

Maybe I was hoping for something like phone screen. And then using all that extra space created for better controls..

Maybe even moving the below two controls in a little.

[vestal tree]

so i'm about to back the campaign but I only see an option for a screen protector for the secondary screen, not the main one. am I extra dumb or is there just one for the secondary

[silver heath]

Unless I’m wrong, I’m pretty sure the top screen already has a screen protector included by default?

[vestal tree]

didn't see that anywhere but i'm sure I just missed it. thanks!

[silver heath]

Just to be safe, I wouldn’t automatically assume it is included though, so I’d just ask them via their questions page.

[river horizon]

Any sign of that retro dodo video? 😅

At this point just don’t bother

[gritty steeple]

It's weird that people are waiting a dual screen device with modern chip in such a small form factor as the RP Flip though

Having a chip that is capable of running GameHub for PC emulation then having a <7 inch screen is so pointless

[tiny fulcrum]

I mean, a 6" 1080p should be fine depending on things. 7" on a handheld is just pushing it imo.

[daring musk]

You forgot 'for me' at the end of that sentence

[bleak blaze]

melonDS-android v0.2.2 is now live!
This update brings better layout control and external display rotation

What’s new:

ROM list updates:
ROM play time now shown in the config screen
Filenames always visible under game titles (setting removed)
Achievements no longer appear on external screen during ROM browsing

External display:
New option to rotate the external screen left great for vertical setups!

Layout editor:
Choose 4:3, 16:9, or Unrestricted aspect ratios per screen
Split “Center screen” into horizontal and vertical centering for better control

Download:
https://github.com/SapphireRhodonite/melonDS-android/releases/tag/0.2.2

Found a bug? Report it here:
https://github.com/SapphireRhodonite/melonDS-android/issues

[olive dawn]

tbh i gave zero Fs for pc emulation , i have multiple easier way to play pc games
so yes its pointless but still better than here

[upper linden]

Only think I wish is the bottom screen was 120hz, im happy with it overall though I think its better for my specific needs for a handheld since 75% of the time im not gonna be using both screens anyways

[olive dawn]

tbh if it was 75% i would go for standard candlebar device instead:-D

[tender kraken]

For a second I read this as you don't like emulating on PC but I gotcha. I actually agree. Personally more interested in giving streaming a chance than emulating my PC titles.

[olive dawn]

Yeah I been great with O2 Portsl

[agile surge]

https://retrododo.com/ayaneo-pocket-ds-review/

finally

[olive dawn]

Retro doodoo

But nice to finally see the black model most will have

[agile surge]

spicy

[tropic frost]

Only took a week the poor guy has had the lovely English weather to enjoy.

[river horizon]

https://youtu.be/QdpgNEs1pzo?si=Tci0HQTCMyT_Sgpq

Auto translate wasn’t working for me so no idea what he was saying but there was a lot of good software and game demo going on

[bleak blaze]

Cemu Android v0.0.2 is out now!

This update brings full support for external displays, with GamePad rendering, screen swapping, and independent rotation!

Tested on the Ayaneo Pocket DS!

What’s new:

Render the GamePad screen on an external display
Add a toggle in the side menu to enable/disable external screen mode
Add a setting to rotate the external screen content
Swap TV and GamePad screens with a single toggle
Clean up and refactor native and Kotlin display logic

🙏 Special thanks to RetroGameCorps for his support and testing during development!

Disclaimer
External screen support is still experimental and may have bugs.
Stability is not guaranteed yet, but improvements will continue over time.

Download:
https://github.com/SapphireRhodonite/Cemu/releases/tag/0.0.2

[rustic niche]

I think there is something wrong with this build. Some games that were working on v0.2 are crashing when I try your apk

[bleak blaze]

Yup, this update have some changes to be up to cemu pc

So, some regresion is expected

[bleak blaze]

https://tinyurl.com/SapphireLair

Check my Patreon if you like my work and want to support it! If you have any suggestions, I will gladly hear them.

[tropic frost]

Domestic shipping has begun

Heck yeah!

[upper linden]

Putting in my order tomorrow 😝

[upper linden]

Bye wallet 🙁

[tender kraken]

Hello fun!

I got so excited when I got the update that shipping had started...only to see domestic lol. I'm hoping we don't see delays and get these things relatively quickly.

[tender kraken]

From the Ayaneo discord, retail units have already been received domestically!

[upper linden]

Yeah that retro power model looks the best its expensive for a handheld but damn does it look good I hope to play everything on it 😍

[tender kraken]

Agreed. Wish I knew about this hobby when the DMG IGG went live because I love the retro power for that one too.

[tight cape]

I will be getting the retro power one if they ever make one with an integrated pen. That would be end game for me.

[agile surge]

https://youtu.be/NX90e3h-XOg?si=LN0y3XN6_HNRZnoE

[toxic radish]

Dual screens dont seem as appealing

DS Games - D Pad centric so compromised controls. Stylis still isnt as good and this doesnt use the S Pen technology that Samsung uses

3DS Games - micro stuttering due to shaders cache. Lose optional Stereo 3D effect. Double input lag compared to original hardware (cant use runahead on 3DS), and limited to 60hz refresh rate if you use dual screens sl cant further reduce input lag.

[upper linden]

Personally its like RIGHT there for me, I can forgive the bottom screen being LCD, it even works better for me in some situations most excited ive ever been for a handheld and i've had a lot 😍

[agile surge]

sounds like copium

[upper linden]

Sounds like valid complains but at the end of the day its shit I won't notice, also this is more an "everything" device for me if I wanted 3ds only id use my xl or have gotten a thor 🤣

[tight cape]

This is the most excited I've been for any device since I have started playing retro consoles.

If they did make the bottom screen oled and beezleless and moved the bottom consoles in for better ergonomics plus add in an integrated pen. Then that would be all I needed in a device.

But I do agree even as is its 90% of the way there.

[weary spire]

I think people forget how horrible the ds touch screen is. Only real benefit there is that the stylus is built in. Resistive touxh screens are garbage and the ds/3ds didnt even have an especially good one.

[proven void]

I'd have to disagree, aside from visually of course

There's a very distinct difference in the way you can play using a stylus or even a finger on ds/3ds bottom screen compared to on android that way

You can do it but it doesn't work as naturally, especially for touch heavy games

[tight cape]

It was ok, but if you've used a samsung note or smasung tablet or apple pen. You know how good those feel to use on a touchscreen.

Hopefully something like that can be put on the next generation.

[weary spire]

Oh yeah, absolutely a proper stylus is way better but i would still take a fine point capacitve pen over the resistive touch screens on the ds.

There are a ton of problems with resistive touch on accuracy touch persistence, delay, material requirements, feel, its just a sub par technology that rightfully got phased out, with some of the underlying priciples being adapted into much better technologies.

[proven void]

S pen is definitely great but actually now that you mention that i had a lot of funkiness trying DS on my tablet, was there a preferred emulator if using that?

[weary spire]

Ive generally just used drastic in the past and thats always been pretty much plug and play. But development stopped there, melon ds is the most active one and they have external display support

[agile surge]

drastic supports external displays as well

drastic gets a bad rep for being old but it's actually much more performant and battery efficient than melonds

[olive dawn]

thš lqdk or upscale/filters hurts it

especially on all the highres displays we have now

[weary spire]

Yeah but iirc its abit wonky with displays that have different sspect ratios. Have to just eyeball 4:3 so youll get a bit of stretching. Melon fork is being tested on this device so those quirks should be worked out.

[bleak blaze]

Cemu Android v0.0.3 is out now!

This version is based on the official SSimco build but includes all the external display improvements from v0.0.2, plus a brand-new touch input refactor

Tested extensively on the Ayaneo Pocket DS for dual-screen Wii U emulation!

⚠️ Disclaimer
External screen support is still experimental, bugs and edge cases may exist. We’ll continue improving it in future updates!

What’s new:

Based on the official SSimco codebase
Touch Input Refactor:
Normalize and scale coordinates for better accuracy
Accurate surface size tracking

Download:
https://github.com/SapphireRhodonite/Cemu/releases/tag/0.0.3

Want early access to future builds, help shape development direction, or request features on my diferent forks or a new fork?
Join the Patreon: https://tinyurl.com/SapphireLair

[tight cape]

Amazing keep up the good work. I am hopeful that by the time I get my pocket ds. Both 3ds and ds will be amazing to use.

Keep it up.

[agile surge]

sir, that's a Wii U emulator

[worthy estuary]

Sir this is wendy's

[upper linden]

If yall need a stylus for this I found that the switch stylus works very well, dont think its a 1:1 comparison with the styluses on the resistive screens but its much better than using your finger or the rubber tip ones.

I'd if say using your finger is a 6, using the rubber tip pens are a 5, its around an 8 but I think using a the dsi xl stylus is probably a 9

[limpid wigeon]

is it the usb c powered universal capacitive stylus

the one i have is nice but doesn't work with all touchscreens + it doesn't work on edges of the screen

[upper linden]

Nope just a stylus has a mesh tip as opposed to rubber lets it glide on the screen easier its also SLIGHTLY firmer (not really in a significantly noticeable way but I find that helps with the feel) https://a.co/d/3UrCG9C

I tested it on the y700 and got through the first dungeon in phantom hourglass a game that basically uses the ds screen to its fullest

Can confidently say id play through the whole game with it and be happy

[proven void]

That sounds a lot nicer, i think the ones i have are rubber tip with WAY too much give

Feels so imprecise compared to a ds stylus

i think i discussed this with someone earlier and maybe that was my misunderstanding in what they meant by touch screen feel

Cuz modern screens are improved but i guess not modern stylus if it isnt S pen for samsung or other more proprietary paper feel kinds

[cinder yoke]

They also did forks for DS and 3DS

[bleak blaze]

LairLauncher is coming soon!

I’m working on a brand-new Android launcher: LairLauncher, tailored for emulation fans, gaming handhelds, and dual-screen setups like the Ayaneo Pocket DS.

What to expect:
Smart status panel with rich details on secondary displays
Default display selection for each tab, App or ROM (internal/external)
Custom emulator tabs with per-ROM launch options
ROM browsing and launching from categorized tabs
App and ROM reordering, visibility toggles, and preferences
Enhanced launch dialog with gamepad navigation
Drag-and-drop grid customization with auto-scrolling
Exclusive app mode, persistent settings
Advanced detail views and multi-tab browsing

🎯 Built from the ground up with dual-screen compatibility in mind.

And of course, some demo videos:

[agile surge]

https://youtu.be/BoYp30Meki0?si=gs9oV5K9uoesUbSu

[bleak blaze]

A preview of how the new UI is going!

[tight cape]

Yeah he also does 3ds and ds as well doesnt he ?

[tight cape]

Thought so cant wait for my pocket ds 🙂

[mild crystal]

Hey @rigid elbow have you seen this new 3DS-inspired handheld frontend called iiSU? Here's a link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNbPxLVS6KI

[rigid elbow]

I just fucking can't with you 🤣 😂 😅

[mild crystal]

I will now stop trolling

[proven void]

wait were people just spamming the video a ton lol

[tiny fulcrum]

Yes

[proven void]

that's awesome

[granite jungle]

Half Life 3 will be released before this one! 😛

[naive musk]

How's everybody's waiting game going?

[river horizon]

Im glad that we at least have some videos to go by

[deep rampart]

I still haven't even preordered so not very well. 😭

[river horizon]

What’s stopping you pre ordering?

[deep rampart]

I am a poor.

[river horizon]

That’ll do it

[agile surge]

you must acquire more wealth

[deep rampart]

I am trying. Skill issue on my end.

[vivid orchid]

Heard people are losing it over light bleed

[naive musk]

Some of the early units are showing an excessive amount of light bleed on the second screen which makes early backers such as myself a bit aprehensive..
Tipical Ayaneo launch as it seems

[daring musk]

This is a retail unit apparently and also has this issue. Obviously it looks worse on camera but there are several points on the screen that will probably be visible easily enough to the naked eye

[naive musk]

Yeah, this much bleed is bound to be visible..
At least I think so...
Took some pictures of other LCD screens I have around and none of them are this kind of bad...
And none of them go for 400€ base ... It is what it is

[daring musk]

I saw this one but the OLED screen being that bright doesnt seem right. I dont know ow how much weight I'd put on that image being genuine. The black one though, that looks like normal lighting conditions and its very visible

[naive musk]

Fair enough, the retro dodo one is also bad..
He also mentioned the black plastic being smudgy/fingerprinty

[daring musk]

Yeah I saw the dodo one as well which looks bad and he made a point of it in his review. Some light bleed is bound to happen on these panels but for a device that can cost upwards of $600 that isnt good to see. Its a lot of money to be playing a screen lottery with

[naive musk]

Yep...
This is my first Ayaneo device and all this leaves a taste of "I told you so" on my mouth 😅

[silver heath]

Can’t say I trust that image much, given that’s not how OLED works in the first place.

The other ones don’t look great though, so hopefully the fact they’ve apparently been doing better in customer support will help with potential issues (and that they’d avoid having this issue be as much of a problem in Indiegogo orders to begin with via the reports of it).

[silver heath]

Eh, I wouldn’t say that just yet, since they can still potentially resolve the issues before sending out Indiegogo orders.

Now, if they end up not doing that and you end up with a bad device with no help from them, then I’d say I told you so. Although canceling the order if they don’t say anything about the issue before they ship yours also likely wouldn’t be a bad idea.

Although I will say that it’s a bit silly that there are people expecting them to even respond during the weekend given that’s when these companies usually aren’t available.

[naive musk]

I always had a soft spot for Ayaneo devices but never actually bit the bullet so to speak...
This one is the first I just couldnt resist, it's like a culmination of everything this generation had to offer , a great 7" inch main display, a huge battery, bullet proof sticks, and a slick clamshell design.
I had my fair chair of android handhelds but this seems like a slam dunk, I know I sound silly, but I really see this as the all handheld for me.
Too bad for me that it's made by Ayaneo 😅

[silver heath]

Eh, like I said earlier, never say never on that last part.

If you asked me what my opinion of Ayn was before the Portal, I’d just tell you their screens suck ass and ghost since I had the Odin Lite (which was the absolute worst of any of my handhelds, way more than the RP4 Pro) before the Odin 2 (which also had ghosting, but at least it wasn’t as bad as the Odin Lite, even if it also still had an annoying amount of input latency).

[silver heath]

And the less said about the Odin 2 Mini and its screen in particular, the better…

[naive musk]

Yeah that's it!! I only had my Odin 2 for about 1 month and a half and couldnt get into it, sold it has fast as I could and tried a G cloud inbetween.. it wasnt for me too..

I loves the retroid flip one, apart from the sliders and the dpad...
I tried a retroid flip 2 from a mate and thought to myself that a 7" like the portal would make this top.. then I Saw this and boom, I was caught

[daring musk]

Nah the mini screen is great imo. It gets way more hate than it deserves

[silver heath]

Oh fuck that. I’m not taking that shit again.

You wanna call the fact we can’t even disable this nonsense ok?
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Like, I’ve had to explain this shit constantly.
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[daring musk]

Didn't bother me in the slightest

[silver heath]

Being able to toggle the local dimming in a device is a function freaking Pimax added to the Pimax Portal.
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But even now, haven’t seen Ayn do shit about it in the slightest.

[daring musk]

🤷

Id rather that than the insane light bleed on the pocket 😅

[silver heath]

Good for you, meanwhile I had to sell mine because it was unironically physically painful for my eyes to look at.

[daring musk]

Using an extreme example is kind of cringe tbh

[silver heath]

I’d rather have the screen bleed than my eyes metaphorically do so.

[daring musk]

Cool 👍

[silver heath]

My first example was already the least extreme and actually known take on both the Odin Lite and the Odin 2 LCD model. The Mini’s issues I already acknowledge are likely just my eyes and not most others.

Of course, the blooming and vignetting definitely wasn’t just a ”me” thing, considering those were the issues I unironically cared the least about.

[daring musk]

Cool 👍

[silver heath]

Great, so we’re all in agreement to not pull a Retroid and pretend people having problems with a screen was “just people being babies” then?

[silver heath]

Well, they were initially just pretending it didn’t exist, it was other people on here that were pretending the issue was “not bad”.

[daring musk]

Nah Im just letting you get this insane rant out of your system. The screen is great

[silver heath]

…Well, at least I now know why Ayn keeps being lazy and not doing what even freaking Pimax was easily able to do.

[daring musk]

Cool 👍

[naive musk]

Let's be honest mates... We're super spoiled now , basically we choose our specs and buy, there's something for everyone now...
And even then, no satisfaction 😅

[daring musk]

Oh I agree we've got a lot of great choices and thats awesome

[silver heath]

Oh, the Mini was the exact opposite of satisfaction for me, considering I loved literally everything else about the device except for the screen, that shit was disappointing as hell cause I really freaking wanted to like it. And instead I got the device that would’ve been perfect for me if I didn’t have whatever weird-ass vision thing made the screen feel like I was staring directly into the sun.

But yeah, beyond that I’d agree that it’s great we have options.

[naive musk]

Never had or tried a Odin 2 mini, but always sensed the divide when it came to that device...
But with the years passing , my standards change too, I tend to prefer bigger screens, and louder audio ( go figure) 😅

[vivid orchid]

I already know I have one on the way

[vivid orchid]

heyy guyyysss want a sleek dualll screen deviccee

[silver heath]

I can only hope you aren’t unlucky enough to have “whatever the fuck specific vision issue” I’ve got, because I’m not joking when I say that was honestly the only thing I absolutely 100% couldn’t handle with the thing. Everything else about it is honestly my ideal in handhelds, and it’s purely due to the issue being that bad that I ended up hating using it.

[vivid orchid]

I hope so too because I've given it a lot of thought and everything about it seems perfect for me

[mighty coral]

Agreed 💯

[silver heath]

Yeah, it’s “great” for anyone that isn’t bothered by the shit local dimming that you can’t even disable, in spite of the only other handheld with MiniLED directly showing Android is more than fine with letting you have that option.

[mighty coral]

Wait... Which device are we talking about?

The Odin mini?

[silver heath]

Yes, the Odin 2 Mini.

[mighty coral]

Oh I hated that screen...

It had horrible blooming

[vivid orchid]

some people say it's overly bright and something something vignetting others say they love it is one of the best screens on a device, I'll see for myself soon enough, I'm usually in the unbothered camp though

[mighty coral]

Did you watch my review on it?

https://youtu.be/GFh6zlYaDcM

[vivid orchid]

ooh I'll watch it now

[silver heath]

Yup, and I’d have been fine with even that if it weren’t for the screen itself literally searing my eyes whenever I tried to play anything that wasn’t already either really dark or really bright (in which case I could either turn it way up in brightness without searing my eyes to actually see those dark colors instead of seeing all of them as black, or way down in brightness without having to worry about dark colors becoming completely black).

[vivid orchid]

I remember back when mini LED was first showing up in displays people described it as blindingly bright when it was displaying things like the sun

[silver heath]

Yeah, eventually people got used to it, and those that couldn’t were still helped by devs getting a fucking clue and adding a toggle to disable local dimming if a particular game or movie doesn’t work with the technology.

[silver heath]

Unfortunately, Ayn wasn’t and still isn’t among the people who got a clue, so either your eyes will be fine with Local Dimming, or you’re fucked like I was.

[silver heath]

Thankfully, I at least seem to be a very small minority compared to the number of people who were fine with it and just disliked the blooming and vignetting, so I wouldn’t bet on you having the same issue, it would at best be an unlikely possibility.

[silver heath]

Like honestly, I’d probably be way more fine with Kirakuzi’s comments if I didn’t already know he’s flat out a mod for Ayn, where it just ends up feeling similar to every time one of the Retroid Mods had been jumping in to take advantage of and agree with people saying “yeah, the Mini’s screen isn’t a problem” before we found out the screen actually was the LG Wing screen.

[vivid orchid]

Yeh Kei's review did a good job describing it

[vivid orchid]

A great review very detailed I like the comparisons to other devices for reference and I too want to have an x86 in my sling and a pocketable device as well when I travel

[vivid orchid]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HZb7008RGuM

[mighty coral]

Best way to take them with you on the go. Slings make it easy to travel with these. Glad you enjoyed the video!

[upper linden]

Ive seen a lot of people talk positive about the mini but from what I can see on the screen I know and will not be convinced the vignetting would absolutely ruin it for me lol 😂

[olive dawn]

huh what the hell happened here 😄

how did "retail lightbleed" pics escalated to long rants about Ayn

[daring musk]

RNS deflecting 😏 I didn't realise me liking the mini screen would send him into such a rage 😅

[upper linden]

No idea, personally AYN hasnt let me down once but I dont get every single thing they put out either

[naive musk]

For me the only thing they have on common is the dual screen...
The Pocket DS is more in line with something like the Evo or the Portal but with the setbacks of the clamshell form factor.
The Thor is more like a flip 2 with an extra screen and worse ergos.

[daring musk]

Pretty accurate take really

[solid tundra]

Very angy today 😄

[silver heath]

I wouldn’t call you saying “nah you’re wrong, it gets too much hate” directly after I said I don’t want to talk about my issue with that device’s screen just “you just liking the screen”.

[silver heath]

Don’t pull the same thing that some of the Retroid mods did, and I’ll be fine.

[silver heath]

Ask the Ayn mod pretending there was “never anything wrong, it just gets too much hate” with the Odin 2 Mini screen.

[daring musk]

I see we're just continuing with this unnecessary level of aggression 🙄

[silver heath]

…Honestly, yeah you’re right that was too far, sorry.

Not gonna lie, it was mostly just getting pinged by Thousandcar’s usual bit right when I woke up.

[daring musk]

No worries. We can agree to disagree on it and theres no hard feelings there

[silver heath]

Agreed on that.

[solid tundra]

What did I do? 😄

[solid tundra]

Does this mean you and the shiguari ktr1 guy are buds? 😉

[daring musk]

Don't push it 🤣

[solid tundra]

I see, so agree to disagree and no hard feelings is a rule for us and not for you 😉 😄

[naive musk]

My guys you need to do a camping trip so you fellows work this stuff out 😁

[solid tundra]

haha I'm all good xD its been hilarious to read

[deep rampart]

All I know is that the handhelds I own are better than the handhelds you own. Unless I also own that handheld.

[daring musk]

Shigarui is a special case 🤣

[silver heath]

Now that I can also agree on.

[bleak blaze]

Done, background, title and slides!

Remember, if you want to suggest functionality or something, go to my Patreon and put it in the latest public post so I can keep track of everything!

https://www.patreon.com/cw/SapphireRhodonite

[proven void]

Wow that looks slick

[tight cape]

I've put a comment with a possible feature to implement.

[bleak blaze]

Yup thanks!

[tight cape]

Thats ok thank you so much for all your good work.

[bleak blaze]

Why two when we can have three screens!!!!?

(Testing latency input for melonDS-android in different scenarios)

[upper linden]

Oh no

At least it's not around a failure point that looks like something you could get some 3d printed case for and forget about it

[vivid orchid]

I forwarded this into the thor channel

[silver heath]

Great, so you forwarded an image of a different device from a different company to the Thor channel.

So, how long do you think it’ll be till people start calling Russ a liar again for devices having issues he didn’t notice (instead of the more likely issue that he just flat out didn’t have the issue and couldn’t report on it)?

[hoary zinc]

Yeah, not sure the purpose of sending that to AYN

People are always quick to judge/blame/gripe/etc., so probably sooner rather than later

[daring musk]

Calm down lol. I checked and people barely said anything about it. People arent spending their time talking about the Pocket DS in the AYN discord for more than 5 minutes if it comes up at all.

[silver heath]

Eh, it’s more of the principle of the matter in terms of relevancy. Allowing stuff like that to happen effectively just encourages people to assume it’s fine to spam the Thor channel with images of the Anbernic DS that isn’t even real currently saying “why get the Thor when this is so much cheaper” (the easy answer is “because people want to play 3DS at higher resolutions and not on a 4:3 top screen).

Mainly speaking from experience in the absolute chaos I’ve see go down in places like the Retroid channels.

[daring musk]

Let's not pretend that any Thor issues wouldnt be instantly posted in the AYA discord. Im not saying its right on either side but its going to happen.

People are going to people lol

[silver heath]

Oh they probably would, and it would also be lame in that regard.

[daring musk]

Agreed

[silver heath]

Fair enough.

[daring musk]

No point getting worked up over it. It won't stop it. Id just ignore it

[silver heath]

Welp, someone just did the simple solution of asking “why not just zoom in on the image” and already found a good number of results suggesting the crack wasn’t “out of nowhere”.

Yeah, I’ll just share some screenshots for the rest since they posted a lot.

[proven void]

oof

people can open their stuff and ideally have it not break so that stinks but it does always carry a risk if you dont do it carefully

[silver heath]

Hopefully, no one tried canceling over the shell alone and were just canceling over the light bleed. Because if they did it over this alone, I’d be a bit embarrassed right now.

[silver heath]

Usually you don’t use something metal to pry a device open if you care about not damaging it, since that’s pretty much a fast track to causing that damage to the seam of the shell halves.

A plastic spudger will take longer or more effort, but it’s way less likely to do this particular kind of damage to the shell (the crack would still be potentially likely if you aren’t careful, but not the other stuff).

[daring musk]

I said this in the AYA discord but yeah I'm in agreement that something metal looks to have been used to pry it open

Trying to claim as if nothing happened is so disingenuous

[proven void]

Ah, i see yeah that makes sense

The only handheld ive ever opened up was my funkey S to change the sd card and i was way too nervous about it because everything screwed back together perfectly

[mighty coral]

This has definitely been opened. They must've pushed really hard on the shell to try opening it up.

[fervent night]

Who tried to open it and then blame Ayaneo for the quality? Was it Ayn?

[cold dust]

is this actually real

[cold dust]

we are looking for the fabled quad screen device

[naive musk]

Such a rollercoaster yesterday guys!
Cracked shells, corpo slander conspiracies and light bleed 😂

I just watched a bit of the Thor review stream by Joey and I got the feeling it wasnt really his cup of tea...
It confirmed much of what had been said about it, don't think there we're many dealbreakers for the people that are waiting for it.

But its a completely diferent thing to the Pocket DS at least for me, the only thing they Share is the double screen implementation

[olive dawn]

for me its smple pocket DS is at the size that it woul end up being home only evice anyway ... and at that stage i will prefer the Flip 1S (still got the 8840u order up) instead

[naive musk]

I get that.. I usually carry some kind of sling or backpack so I prioritize the best audiovisual experience , the height/size ratio is still important and I think pocket DS is on the limit..
I used a zfold 5 with the gamesir g8 plus for a while and the weight is similar altough more cumbersome..
For me the DS is the first big android clamshell and that is a exciting prospect on itself

At home I have the SDOled and until a new one comes out I don't think it will have competition as far as i'm concerned..

[slender flame]

joey did like it. his only gripe was the triggers

not that him liking it or not liking it should affect anyone elses opinion, but he outright said he liked it

[daring musk]

Just to echo Shadow-Star here but yeah Joey liked it apart from the triggers

[naive musk]

Oh my bad then ...
I only watched a bit yesterday of the stream and that's what it felt like.
Watching the impressions video now

[bleak blaze]

Preview Update!

The console view is finally taking shape!

The latest update introduces a powerful and flexible way to browse and organize your collection:

🎮 Console Tabs with Grid/List Toggle
Switch between a modern grid view or a vertical list with previews.
📁 Per-Console Organization
Create multiple tabs for the same system pointing to different directories — perfect for collectors who sort by region, genre, or translation status.
🖼️ Flexible Asset Loading
Assets (logos, background images, hero slides) are loaded dynamically from either internal storage or your microSD, seamless when swapping SD cards across handhelds.

🧩 Full ROM Customization
Per-ROM options let you:

Hide/show entries
Choose which screen to launch on
Assign a companion app for dual-screen use (e.g. a browser with a guide on the top screen, game on the bottom)
Four ROM Browsing Views (Fully Gamepad Navigable)
Grid view
Horizontal carousel
Vertical carousel
Condensed list

🔧 Customizable UI Scaling
Resize UI elements per device or personal preference, from compact to chunky.

🧭 Designed to match iiSU’s updated vision
This version is now visually and structurally aligned with iiSU’s style and user flow.

Alpha builds drop Friday for patrons only.
They’re early and buggy, but your feedback starts shaping LairXiiSU from Day 1.

Join: https://tinyurl.com/SapphireLair

[tight cape]

Thats brilliant I love this haha

[mild fulcrum]

Been trying to cancel my order and it’s such a pain

I send a message and three days later I get a response “why do you want to cancel?”

That’s none of your business, just cancel my damn order.

Every time it’s always a Chinese company that’s like, “please provide a reason for cancel!”

Like no, if I ask you to cancel the order, just cancel the order.

[junior lake]

Anyone pulling the trigger on the pocket DS now that we have a few Thor reviews out

[slender flame]

thats surprising, i was able to cancel immediately without question. this was around the initial launch of the campaign however. im thinking they may be getting a lot of cancellations right now...

[rigid elbow]

I'm happily not cancelling lol

[silver heath]

That’s weird, they’ve been canceling orders without any reason just fine in the Indiegogo page.

[silver heath]

That’s the weird part, they’re still doing it without issue even now. I’m honestly confused on why Rico would be having an issue, unless maybe they asked in a private message, and it’s the public cancellation requests they’re focusing on?

[mild fulcrum]

That’s what it looks like for me

[hoary zinc]

Yep they've pulled the refund button from the campaign it appears, mine is greyed out as well

[fervent night]

does DS stand for Dull Screen?

[rigid elbow]

Possibly

I'm happy seeing everyone cancel

[silver heath]

Oh no, that’s just how IndieGogo handles things once it’s been a decent number of days after you ordered.

After that you either need to contact Indiegogo or the campaign owner (in this case AYANEO) to cancel it.

[mild fulcrum]

Yeah, and they said that they’re on holiday from 1 Oct to the 7th IIRC

So it’s like 3 days between responses, which is why it pissed me off the first response to be like “why you wanna cancel?”

I’m waiting three days between responses so be expedient FFS

[mild fulcrum]

Honestly, I’m trying to do more with what I have so far and cut back spending. I’m impacted by the current US gov shutdown so that’s fun.

So trying to do dual screen with my Steam Deck for a fraction of the cost rather than dropping $400+ on a Pocket DS

[junior lake]

Every company is trying to fight to gain more loyalty. I doubt any of the recent devices will have many issues such as thor with the hinge when they are reputable and a good company and same goes for everyone bashing on ayaneo for customer support and having bad QA. I’m sure both companies know that and will do their best to provide a solid product that everyone will be happy with. The DS will be great and not cancelling. I’m sure Thor great as well and both have Their pros and cons and then we will be left an empty spot because we’re never pleased with the perfect device as we all have our opinions lol

[upper linden]

Yeah Thor reviews just made me more sure if anything lol

[tiny fulcrum]

Gonna post this here for y'all too, so you can point other Pocket DS people to the right emulators:

• Azahar main releases support dual screen
• MelonDS Nightly fork supports dual screen
• Cemu experimental fork supports dual screen
• PPSSPP too while we're at it

[valid shard]

Which launchers support dual screen?

[rigid elbow]

None

[olive dawn]

have you ehard of issui?

[rigid elbow]

lmfao, is it released in a beta state yet?

[tiny fulcrum]

Alpha, over on Huesos's patreon

[rigid elbow]

Azahard has dual screen support in the playstore version. Do you know if his fixes have been added to the melonds on playstore version yet?

[tiny fulcrum]

When was Azahar's playstore version updated? It was very incomplete before.

[rigid elbow]

My ace had the update today. Think I did the update on the rp5 days ago

I haven't tested it much though, yet

[tiny fulcrum]

https://github.com/azahar-emu/azahar/releases If it matches the latest release candidate date, then yes. If not, it's the old/buggy implementation.

[sacred ether]

https://github.com/likeich/console-launcher/releases/tag/v2.0.0-beta2.1

Console launcher Just got an update for dual screen support

[tight cape]

Basically they loved the dual oleds. The top screen is amazing. The bottom screen is good. But its controls aren't the best.

Where as the ayaneo is the top screen is amazing and the best screen on a handheld. the bottom screen aspect ratio is perfect but needs to be upgraded to oled to get rid of light bleed. And the controls are better than the thor but still could improve.

And both fail on stylus.

Both softwares are good but needs to improve.

Thats sort of my takeaway from the reviews.

I am worried about that bottom screen and controls on my pocket DS but I am happy with the device as is.

[tight cape]

I suspect based on nothing but vibes but in the next month or so I suspect melon ds and cemu main release will have the dual screen.

[tiny fulcrum]

MelonDS will, the fork person is trying to merge it all to main

[upper linden]

I think I will like the controls but the backlight bleed will be bad, overall it will be good because intend for it to be my main handheld (until they make another iteration with OLED)

[forest pelican]

I have one (I'm an azahar dev) and can confirm that the light bleed on the bottom screen is annoying on dark screens, though when I'm actually playing a game I never notice it really. I 3d-printed some wider (but still short so it closes) joystick caps today and it made the left stick more comfortable to use for me, though the position of the right stick is simply never great; it's hard to move your thumb down that way from the face buttons and inward. One really cool thing is that if you turn off the bottom screen and play something on gamehub or an android game on the top screen, the bottom screen will work as a mouse/trackpad - I have found that using that to turn the camera on games that support mouse+controller has actually been significantly more comfortable than using the joystick. if I could get some sort of universal gyro-as-stick in the OS, that would rule! Maybe someday.

overall, though, I love it.

I don't think anybody going into it with eyes open about is strengths and weaknesses will be disappointed. It looks amazing for 3ds and ds

and i regularly turn off the bottom screen and just play on the top, too, which I think is great. I'm not a multitasker really, and don't need those performance metrics all the time, so top-only is good for me when playing single-screen games. Though I jsut realized the bottom screen is perfect for 4:3 TV so maybe I need to watch Buffy on the bottom screen while gaming on the top screen...

[silver heath]

Well, the Light bleed has nothing to do with the screen being IPS, that’s just from the screen they used unfortunately being a bit too soft.

[naive musk]

That sounds like a super cool feature! First time hearing about it..
Glad to hear positive feedback about it, the wait is always rough

[finite quest]

https://youtu.be/j6U1bIXz7hY

[forest pelican]

You can definitely see the light bleed in situations other than "super dark room at 100% brightness", though also my software seems to have a minor big where the bottom screen is often set to 100% brightness without me doing it, so sometimes I get that effect by accident. I definitely noticed the light bleed before any videos made a big deal out of it. if I were planning to use the bottom display as my primary display more often, I would be disappointed in it, especially if what I was playing had black bars or a lot of dark scenes. But tbh, I almost never do. It either is running secondary content (bottom 3ds/DS screen or some silly multitasking thingy) or turned off. It's fine. Do I wish it was OLED? Sure. Give me all the OLED. The next one (if they make another) probably will be OLED, and cheaper! But it barely effects the experience in reality.

And if you just wanna be able to play pretty much anything including really amazing 3ds at 4x-5x 1080p upscaling on a gorgeous large OLED top screen and a really responsive large bottom screen, with a premium fit and finish, it's awesome. I plan to stop traveling with my steam deck and only take this for trips a week or less- it's just enough more portable to be worth it from a baggage perspective, and it can play plenty, plus it's more useful as just a tablet-style device.

I have used it to watch tv and hold guitar chords on the top screen, the Thor would be too small for that.

The lack of headphone port bothers me more than the lightbleed

[forest pelican]

Anyway here are some pics for you.

Sorry for the fingerprints haha

[olive dawn]

the yellow looks soo good

[solid tundra]

it really does

[tender kraken]

Zelda a Link Between Worlds

https://tenor.com/view/elevated-level-of-happiness-aj-rafael-im-more-happy-further-beyond-happiness-new-level-of-happiness-gif-20668804

[forest pelican]

It's so good on it

I have never finished it but I just finished act 2 on this devicd

[tender kraken]

Going to be one of the first games I run through when mine arrives

[upper linden]

Im gonna put a scary amount of time on this thing

It seems like to me everything I ever wanted in a device... except the bottom screen and its not metallic the whole way through, otherwise it looks "right"

[west cosmos]

so question

how overblown is the cpu support thing

i like the idea of how big the screens are on this vs the thor

or rather, what would the restrictions be

[forest pelican]

The chip in this is pretty much the same as the thoe

It has driver support. The one with more mixed support is the elite, not the one in this.

[upper linden]

The issues with the thor for me lie more with the bottom screen in terms of size and aspect ratio its a little more than a full inch smaller than the screen on the pocket DS but has an aspect ratio that isnt really great for 4:3 IF youre integer scaling, you can keep integer scaling on but it will be about the same size as a DS lite compared to a large 6 inch oled. If you aren't integer scaling its still small compared to top screen so the top screen will have to compensate and it will just look tiny (for ds), for things other than DS/3DS/some wii u its perfectly fine but its not the biggest screen in the world either so ymmv

Im weird tho because most people dont care about integer scaling they will stretch the image and its fine

[west cosmos]

id like quality to be solid

I feel like for my purposes this would be solid

[west cosmos]

so tempttttt

[vivid orchid]

That image makes it look more appealing. Still too big for me but If size weren't an issue and I only wanted one device, no PC handheld, I'd go for this even over the Thor

[west cosmos]

true word

[river harbor]

Non textured dpad makes me sad.

[west cosmos]

maybe something we can do?

[north locust]

👀

[olive dawn]

Let's hope its not 10 devices in 2 weeks ... like 1S

[bleak blaze]

Some photos of RA Integration 😉

[forest pelican]

Device is pretty solid for tablet stuff too. Watching tv while doing dishes no problem.

[olive dawn]

are those printed stick caps?

[forest pelican]

Yeah I took an STL for some odin 2 caps and shortened the stick part

And printed. Better than the defaults though the leverage is such that I do click l3 a lot by accident. So I don't map it to anything when possible.

[olive dawn]

oh nice to see the odin ones fit ...

[silver heath]

…That’s literally what I as well as multiple other people, including Russ, were saying about the sticks.

[forest pelican]

You have to make them much more low profile if you want it to close

I might put my edited STL up in thingiverse or something

[olive dawn]

oh i maybe forgot tha part .... i might use some of the lowprofile ones i own with Flip 1S

if they will ever ship it
They managed to push my estimates by 2 montsh in span of 3 days and that was before the golden week

[tight cape]

Brilliant thank you for letting me know. I'm only getting it for DS and 3DS and using the top screen as my main device so I am not fussed about cemu. But melon ds getting dual screen is good for me.

[tight cape]

Thats basically my thinking dual oled screen plus stylus support changes the game for me.

[tight cape]

Amazing thank you for letting us know. And thank you for azahar as well.

I can't wait for mine to come through.

Its a shame about the light bleed its basically the only glaring issue.

I desperately want them to get rid of the beezles on the bottom screen and move over the dpad and right stick inwards to make better controls.

[atomic lion]

does your light bleed change with button presses or even adjusting the hinge angle like the below?
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/10056440918#

[forest pelican]

My pocket DS actually broke last night - the ribbon cable connecting the top screen stopped working and when I tried to fix it I made it worse (oops). So I can't test this.

[olive dawn]

rip

[mighty coral]

It just broke from repetitive use opening and closing over time?

[silver heath]

How did it happen?

[forest pelican]

Top screen stopped working except when mostly closed and sometimes gave garbage. Not sure why. It could probably have been fixed if there were teardown videos to follow - I could have pushed the ribbon cable back in with an extension rod - but I messed something up while disassembling it

[mental grotto]

Please provide us with a video of the issues

[mental grotto]

Are you sure you locked the ribbon correctly, any damage visible on the ribbon cable?

[forest pelican]

It has been fully disassembled now, I cannot send a video. I'm not going to talk about it anymore, was just saying I can't test the light bleed.

[mental grotto]

Please ask ayaneo for a new Pocket DS

[bleak blaze]

🚀 iiSU DS Launcher Showcase is live!

Now running on:
Ayaneo Pocket ACE / DS / DMG
AYN Thor
OneXSugar
Retroid Pocket 5 + RDS Add-On

Highlights:

Full RetroAchievements integration
Custom Home Screen with RA art & status
New layouts for single screen handhelds
Per-ROM customization (screen, visibility, paired app)
Multi-display support + new wide mode
Improved config system & platform tabs

🎥 Full video & alpha access on Patreon:
https://tinyurl.com/SapphireLair

[weary spire]

Does this support custom background images, for android apps that dont normally have backgrounds and for consoles if you want to change the display.

[bleak blaze]

Yup! Everything can be customized!

[bleak blaze]

iiSU DS Alpha v0.0.2

The new alpha build of iiSU DS is now live for Patreon supporters and Ko-fi Donators!

What’s new:

Full RetroAchievements integration
Trophy sync, box art fallback, and detail overlays
New wide-screen layout modes for Retroid Pocket 5
Improved editor tools, ROM customization, and navigation

Tested on: Pocket DS, Pocket ACE, DMG, Thor, OneXSugar, RDS Add-On

❗ Note: On the AYN Thor, screen contents are currently inverted, a fix is coming, this doesn’t make it not work on Thor, please try it aswell!

📦 Download (Patreon only):
http://tinyurl.com/sapphirelair
"alpha-releases" channel on iiSU Discord (Supporter role only)

📋 Full changelog:
https://github.com/iisu-network/iiSU/releases/tag/0.0.2

Found a bug or want to request a feature?
👉 https://github.com/iisu-network/iiSU/issues

[weary spire]

Awesome, ill support on patreon after i get off work. Thats a big one for me and everything else looks good.

[bleak blaze]

Thanks!

[silver heath]

Is this planned to have support for sub-folders within the main folders for each system (as in, if you have a “Pokémon” sub-folder in GBA that’s dedicated to pokemon romhacks and such, it’ll detect those properly when scanning them)? Or better yet, is that already implemented?

[tiny fulcrum]

That'd be neat! Though I do think it lets you make your own determined folders for romhacks as well, you're specifically wondering after subfolder for keeping the main window succinct?

[bleak blaze]

Yup! That will be on the roadmap!

[tiny fulcrum]

Huesos the goat.

[silver heath]

I’m mainly talking about detecting games inside of subfolders within the actual system folder for the file system, not just making subfolders within the launcher.

[silver heath]

Should note I was talking about just detecting games inside of subfolders that are in the main system folder (so like in my above example, the folder where your gba games would be, my question would be in regard to it detecting gba games within a subfolder inside of that main gba folder).

If that’s what you also meant, then absolutely awesome!

[tiny fulcrum]

Being able to make it an actual subfolder for organizaiton within iiSU itself would also be awesome tho.

Like, when scanning, tell it "Make all one folder" or "make subfolders for your subfolders"

[silver heath]

Oh absolutely, I was mainly saying this part since unfortunately that’s always something most new launcher frontends never seem to take into account properly.

[proven void]

i like how es-de allows you to either go into the folder or launch a specific file from in the folder

[silver heath]

Where they’d just expect you to “put all the games inside of the same main folder and not use subfolders for organization”.

[proven void]

forgot what that function was called

[bleak blaze]

Yup, we are planning two ways: one, create a virtual folder (to organize some games), as well as use the already existing folders.

[tiny fulcrum]

This is gonna be so good. I hope you don't mind all the questions and pings and such!

[silver heath]

Ok that is even better than most! That’s like the big thing I loved about ES-DE.

[bleak blaze]

I don't mind! I like to chat and help in any way I can!

[tiny fulcrum]

[bleak blaze]

Could you upload the feature request to Git to be on track, please?

https://github.com/iisu-network/iiSU/issues

[silver heath]

Ah, unfortunately I don’t really have a GitHub account so I can’t make one now. I’ll try seeing how to make one later when I’m back home from work so I can add the feature request in.

[bleak blaze]

Thanks!

[west cosmos]

I can do it if you’d like

[silver heath]

That would be great, thank you.

[west cosmos]

On it

[west cosmos]

To confirm, just throwing a feature request to support: virtual custom folders AND the main system folders?

Or something like that

[bleak blaze]

Yup!

[west cosmos]

On it

https://github.com/iisu-network/iiSU/issues/23

[west cosmos]

is there no way to order a pocket ds rn

[mighty coral]

only from IGG

[west cosmos]

yeah that ended

[golden rain]

I think you have to wait for them to ship out to add orders after the initial funding

[weary spire]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17C7oymLwGKFOG2vEmii0ltn0BdyTvutDnZOsdEzs28s/edit?usp=drivesdk

[vestal tree]

happy they are starting shipping but that is not a large initial batch lol

[jade spruce]

they made 7 yellow units...

[vestal tree]

order numbers don't seem entirely sequential so not sure how to read that but my order starts with a 2

[grizzled palm]

u got the review unit. thats good.

[vestal tree]

so sounds like its going to be awhile lol

[jade spruce]

no I bought my unit

and yea looks like the wait will continue...

[signal latch]

I think they are still shipping by CID or order dates they had before IGG which might be why order numbers seem non-sequencial. Hopefully they don't get stuck being measured with all the Thors. 😅

[mighty coral]

No ID numbers? Hard to tell where we sit. They look like serial numbers

[mighty coral]

You bought a yellow?

[signal latch]

The cheese takes time to age.

[jade spruce]

Sign in to IGG to see your order number

I was confused at first as well

[jade spruce]

Heck yea! That color is so beautiful 🤩

[weary spire]

Go to the igg page and click "your pledge" you should see your pledge id number.

[mighty coral]

Ah.... It'll be awhile for me then @weary spire thanks

[weary spire]

They mentioned they hope to have new orders out in a month. Dont know how much you should trust that but its something.

I am very dissapointed in the size tho since they were prepping shipments last week. And they were able to get through several thousand orders in china in 2-3 weeks. It usually how it goes but its still dissapointing.

[jade spruce]

Yea 71 total units seems like something not to brag about 😅

[mighty coral]

Meanwhile AYN is shipping thousands

[mighty coral]

Arthur building them all by hand

[weary spire]

Id bet if we compared their total shipments itd be about the same, but ayn does all of it together, whereas aya just sends crumbs to international.

[mighty coral]

True true

[weary spire]

Still not a good look and something they hopefully ditch, maybe they will if they ditch igg with the new rules being bad for them.

[jade spruce]

Worried about how people will respond who might be new to the brand with the KONKR pocket fit

[weary spire]

Yeah, i mean its one of their best selling products i think the pocket air mini has overtaken it but yeah, they need to put all their effort into shipping that quickly. If they can get all of it out in under a month they will get a lot of good press for it. And they definitely have the capability to do it.

[daring musk]

71 units is pitiful. They've stocked various Chinese stores who have them just sitting there but the IGG backers get shafted. Its ridiculous that its taken them this long to even start shipping IGG orders.

If its batches like that once or twice a week it'll take them months to get through it

[weary spire]

Definitely should be better. I could probably push out more units in a week on my own and i dont assemble these hundreds of times. Gimme a week of practice and i could probably push out more than this in a day.

[signal latch]

Hopefully this isn't another Pocket S2 where they are still shipping pre-orders 3 months later...

[naive musk]

If they keep doing batches with these few devices, it will probably take 4/5 months to ship all 1500 devices

[upper linden]

Wait is gonna be looooooong asf

Considering on top of that shipping takes 2 weeks 😭

[naive musk]

The way they handle igg and comunication with the west is Subpar to put it politely

[olive dawn]

if we look at the pace they have been doing with Flip 1S (||10-20 units every 2 weeks||) ..... 1500 units will take 2-5 years

[upper linden]

Yeah theres no way in hell lol

[jade spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-waiting-forever-waiting-for-you-it's-been-84-years-meme-gif-3221316472416716605

[mild fulcrum]

Whew lad glad I canceled my order

[mighty coral]

HA it's gonna be

https://tenor.com/view/patiently-waiting-waiting-waiting-patiently-still-waiting-gif-3590841176648399679

[silver heath]

…What the hell do most of those numbers mean? Like I get the ones that start with GK, those are their main AYANEO storefront number listings (so they could just be any orders for people that “upgraded to a different version”), but I’m at a loss for the others.

[silver heath]

Are you including the several hundreds of orders that canceled the second the Thor was announced? And then the additional hundreds that were canceled when they literally told people to cancel their order if they genuinely didn’t want to risk the bottom screen issues?

[olive dawn]

true

so slash it by half

[silver heath]

Ok figured it out, those are the new pledge ID’s Indiegogo is using. If anyone wants to check if theirs got shipped, you’ll need to log into Indiegogo to see what your pledge id for that order is, the email won’t be accurate.

[mighty coral]

Yep. I had no idea what they were earlier too until someone mentioned it. IGG got all flipped around after a revamp.

[silver heath]

I’ll admit, I’d laugh my ass off if the current annoyances with 4PX somehow make it so my Thor, despite being shipped over a week earlier, ends up being delivered within days of my Pocket DS.

It’s obviously unlikely since the Pocket DS would still probably take around a week at best to actually be delivered, even if mine ends up getting shipped tomorrow, but goddamn am I getting a big reminder on why I actively preferred DHL before the tariffs bs.

[olive dawn]

i feel unless you were like one of the first 20 people to order the highest SKU 😄

it will take weeks for Pocket DS to even get shipped

[proven void]

Unfortunately was often the case lol

[finite quest]

Hey everyone, figured people might be interested in this tool to make using switch ROMs a little easier, especially with more people using GameHub https://youtu.be/PsGPzbxQhnk

[silver heath]

I mean I ended up upgrading twice (once to the 16/512 black, and then the second time to the 16/1tb Yellow) just because I ended up saying “fuck it, I’m already spending this much, what’s $100 more for the color I actually really like more than both the Black and the Retro Gray?”

[olive dawn]

[olive dawn]

So retropower in few months

Like 64gb and 8840u versions of flip 1s

[weary spire]

They have said they expect to have most if not all orders shipped in a month.

It does seem like they are making this a priority for their production lines. They should be capable of it given how much volume they supposedly go through in china

[signal latch]

Mine is shipping and a label generated, but its a UPS number. Never had anything from them (or China really) ship UPS.

[silver heath]

So it’s sounding more and more like I may actually be getting my Pocket DS before my Thor after all.

[weary spire]

For me its kinda up in the air. Despite the ~2 week lead i have 0 faith in 4px getting out of nancheng before the next batch ships.

[mighty coral]

Mine is now "preparing for shipment"

[silver heath]

God, I don’t know why this is bothering me this much since it’s already what I initially expected (I was expecting my Pocket DS to ship and get to me before the Thor due to how much longer after day-1 my Thor order was).

I guess it’s just the fact that my expectations for the Thor shipment were initially surpassed as they shipped it sooner, only for them to retroactively end up potentially going back to what my expectations were thanks to 4PX. So now there’s a fall-down in expectations that I initially wasn’t expecting?

[weary spire]

4px has been in shambles even more than before now with the export controls.

[agile surge]

Ayaneo be like "ah fuck it, the Thor is better anyway"

[hoary zinc]

Ayaneo's production schedule and shipping has been atrocious lately. I finally just cancelled my Pocket S2 order, baffling they couldn't push out ~200 non-local orders in a reasonable time.

[honest frigate]

Wow! You still didn't get a pocket S2? When did you order? Also, it's now on their official website for sale

[hoary zinc]

Towards the end of August

[honest frigate]

See I understand they're a business but that's really messed up that they would list it for sale on their own website before everybody gets once that have bought it on IGG. That's why I did my video on saying I'm firing IGG

[hoary zinc]

They may have finally fulfilled them all, I cancelled about two or three weeks back because I was tired of waiting so I haven't been keeping track.

[rigid elbow]

They haven't. I'm still waiting and I ordered within the first 5 min

[hoary zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/unacceptable-nope-no-dont-like-it-not-ok-gif-14648423

[rigid elbow]

Agreed! If I'm not in the next batch I'll join everyone else that cancelled haha

[deep rampart]

That’s insane. I ordered like two months after and have had mine a while now.

[rigid elbow]

So great 🤣

Did you order the retro max?

[deep rampart]

Yeah. Retro power 1tb. I ordered off droix though. They had a pricing glitch where it was $100 cheaper. They honored it and threw in all the accessories for free. Including the Tomtoc case and the air mini. I’ll never order off IGG again.

[agile surge]

that is nuts

[rigid elbow]

I got 16/512. No shipment. 😞

I should have gotten retro power lol

[warped rapids]

How many people have received a Pocket DS here ? Haven't seen many pics yet

[dense stag]

No one I don't think they only shipped like 60+ I think on like Thursday or Friday

[silver heath]

They shipped them on Friday to be specific.

[silver heath]

Speaking of which, anyone gonna hurry up and make a pin for this? Getting real sick and tired of having to scroll up just to find it.

[weary spire]

Wait its not pinned

Also if you have google drive you can make a shortcut on your home screen.

[silver heath]

Yes, but I’d rather not have to post a new link on here any time someone else asks for it just because I can’t find the old one (this is specifically me referring to a future problem once there’s enough posts on here for finding the current link to be next to impossible).

[jade spruce]

there ya go 🙏

[silver heath]

Awesome, thank you!

[tight cape]

I have just gotten an Update to say mine is being prepared to ship. So I am not on that first batch but looks like I am in the second batch.

So at least we know the second batch seems to be coming around quite quickly.

[weary spire]

Yeah there are a few others that have seen it in the aya discord. They said several hundred this week.

[tight cape]

Thats a good amount a few 100 this week. I can't wait for mine. I have some other retro handheld but they are also low powered sub 100 devices. This is why first big purchase.

It nearly feels like end game like I don't really need better.

Just need an bigger so 6 inch beezleless bottom oled screen.

And integrated pen.

And that would be the perfect device.

[tight cape]

Does anyone know as its dual screen is there away to output both screens?

[silver heath]

Same here.

To paraphrase what Prudis usually says “it’s oddly convenient how people always only start complaining about something at the end of the week when that company wouldn’t be properly open”.

Although I’d say it’s more oddly convenient how he didn’t actually bother to say that on here.

[normal mauve]

You mean like if you dock it?

When docking with the Thor or pocket ds it’s shows the top display on the screen

[daring musk]

No updates on the shipping list though?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17C7oymLwGKFOG2vEmii0ltn0BdyTvutDnZOsdEzs28s/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[upper linden]

Man Im never getting mine 🙁

[weary spire]

Itll probably update when they share tracking numbers. They said it should be soon

[daring musk]

Its nearly midnight there though so they definitely didnt ship 170 today then

Id feel sorry for anyone still working at this time to send people tracking numbers

[weary spire]

Yeah thats odd. But then again arthur will randomly pop into the discord at like 3am so i wouldn't be shocked if they have some night staff

The streams too usually run till around this time

[tight cape]

Yeah if I dock it.

Shame only one screen shows would be nice to be able to output both screens.

[normal mauve]

probably just a limitation

better than on the rp5 with the dual screen add on

since it makes the bottom screen priority

with screen recording

now we just wait

[tight cape]

Hopefully its a software issue and its something that can be changed.

Imagine playing DS on a massive TV in the living room would be pretty cool to do.