Super Metroid

[green hamlet]

Cause you kinda do a loop and you can totally hit the elevator that takes you back to crateria first and think that's the right way

[wooden scarab]

Done!

[torpid prism]

Congrats c:

[unkempt falcon]

I'm curious. What's the difference between runahead and pre-emptive frames?

[tepid mesa]

Run ahead shows you the game 2 frames in the future always. I think PF is triggered only on input and then would rewind the game 2 frames pretending the input happened then and replays the game up to the present.

PF is more efficient than runahead supposedly. There’s a lot of “it depends” when you ask people though.

[astral axle]

And done. Great game glad to have finally finished it after all these years

7.20 finish time 69% completion. Don't think I'll be going for any speed run records there! Though I did have a habit of leaving it idle... Honest!

[torpid prism]

Congrats! 🎉🥳

[scenic mesa]

yay! I am glad of so many people re-discovering Super Metroid

[astral axle]

It never ceases to amaze me how well crafted Nintendo games from the 8 and 16 but ages were, and how well they consistently hold up 30 years later

[prime hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-frank-oh-my-god-i-get-it-gif-22328165

I started playing last night and have really enjoyed it so far. I think the hype feels appropriate!

[near narwhal]

After not playing the weekend any games - I picked it up again and was worried that I wouldn’t know where to go. I had just beaten crocomire on thurs evening. I consulted a guide as to what is the next upgrade to get and have picked up from there and made some really good progress tonite with the last upgrade I got (gravity suit) before calling it a night.

[paper steppe]

I'm in Miridia. This has been an incredible experience so far. Great pick!

[glass shell]

Yeah, this one's a lot of fun. Glad I'm finally playing it all the way through

It's so funny thinking back to how lost I'd get as a kid

Felt like it took months to even get to Kraid

[green hamlet]

just finished ridley but I need to study tonight. tourian is next and I'll wrap this one up (again)

because its so damn good

[torpid prism]

Welp, I think it's time to get started. c:

[torpid prism]

This game looks great on a CRT TV. ^_^

Going to try to beat this game in under 3 hours. Who's with me?! 😄

[rose vale]

I belieeeeeve

[torpid prism]

Woah, apparently once you get the Charge Beam you can charge a shot and then press the item select button to do a special attack. c:
I guess it's not super useful, but it's still cool. 🙂

[green hamlet]

I lied to myself and beat it anyway xD

[torpid prism]

Congrats!! 🎉🥳

[green hamlet]

I never get the best endings, I want to fart around too much looking for goodies and then run in circles until the brain remembers or notices something on the map I overlooked that is the next step on the golden path

[torpid prism]

Understandable, especially with a great game like this. 🙂

[torpid prism]

This is actually a pretty useful attack against certain enemies. c:
Especially against groups of enemies.

With Redux, I can simply swap the Walk/Run button with the item select button, thanks to auto-run.

[rose vale]

man, I should’ve thought of that

[torpid prism]

:3

I tried talking people into using the Redux hack. It's awesome. ^-^

[rose vale]

You got me on it

helped a lot

[unkempt falcon]

There are things I really like about Redux, but I really struggle to adapt to the difference in its aim mode

I started playing the OG version again and it still holds up

[rose vale]

true, the diagonal aiming was different, had to get used to that

[torpid prism]

Well it never bothered me. c:
I love the changes that Redux makes to the controls. 🙂

[rose vale]

I mean it didn’t bother me, it just took getting used to

[gray valve]

I played both GBA Metroids multiple times before I ever looped back to Super, so the Redux shoulder buttons feel a lot more natural to me than trying to mash item select to get back to the beam etc

It’d be real nice if there was a way to bring L2/R2 support into a SNES game to keep all those functions available at the same time, but since we have to pick… I do prefer Redux’s choices.

[torpid prism]

Tbf I only thought of that with this playthrough. 🙂
I was in the controller settings and I was like "wait a minute, I don't need the walk/run button when I have auto-run... 🤔". :3

[rose vale]

for sure haha

[gray valve]

I’m playing on an RG ARC. Don’t necessarily recommend it, accidental diagonals and wall jumps really don’t mix well, but it does mean I have enough face buttons for all the things.

[torpid prism]

Yeah, I've had problems with wall jumps when playing through emulation before, depending on the controller's d-pad that I used. With some d-pads it feels too easy to accidentally press up or down when moving between left and right.

[torpid prism]

This missile upgrade takes skill to get. It always feels good to obtain it. ^-^

I'm not sure about spoilers with this game because of how insanely popular it is. 😛
Anyway, I just got the Grappling Beam. c:

[torpid prism]

X-ray visor. c:

[torpid prism]

Got the Gravity Suit. 🙂

[torpid prism]

I just entered Maridia. c:

[scenic mesa]

I gave up on this one

as I was not aiming for 100% items... fork it

[torpid prism]

lol yeah it's annoying to get that one

I got it on my 5th try. You gotta be standing in one very specific spot. It feels like if you're off by a single pixel, then you won't get it.

[scenic mesa]

I tried many times 😄

if you run too much, you lose the dash

once I almost made it and then got hit by a stupid crab

[torpid prism]

X)

[zenith kite]

Performing some tricks with the switch pro controlled d-pad is a pain.

Prolly going to give the joy cons a try today.

[torpid prism]

Yeah, I don't understand why Nintendo of all companies can't consistently make good d-pads by now. They should always be above average at least.

[zenith kite]

Guess the cobbler's son doesn't have a proper shoes after all X)

Also I've really grown to loathe where they put the screenshot button on the pro controller.

I have multiple screenshot of me standing on front of doors that require missiles or bombs because I don't properly look down at my controller when wanting to press select.

[torpid prism]

XD

Yeah, playing this game with a first party SNES controller in great condition is a real treat. c:

Absolutely perfect d-pad on the SNES controller. ♥️

[zenith kite]

No doubt. I used to own 8bitdo Pro 2 I used for retro games, but I gave it away to my younger siblings when I got the Xbox version from a giveaway since I figured I haven't really played retro games on my Switch.

Then like couple days after I gave it away I decide to play this on Switch.

Yes, I do suffer what is commonly known as "smooth brain".

[torpid prism]

lol

Yeah 8BitDo has designed some great d-pads, especially with their M30 controller.

I love using that thing with my Mega Sg. c:

[torpid prism]

My current status screen. It looks like I won't be beating it in under 3 hours after all.
It's really tough collecting everything and getting the special ending. My left thumb is sore.

[green hamlet]

I missed the spring ball in this last run lol

[tiny mirage]

Only if you have exactly two beams equipped. Doesn't work with just charge or with 3-beam combos

I forgot spring ball is even in this game lol

[scenic mesa]

you probably already said it, but that's a mod, right? nice count of the time and item collection!

[gray valve]

Yeah this is the screen that comes with Redux

[zenith kite]

I think I actually had a pretty good luck with Phantoon. ||He seemd to loathe the idea of staying immaterial and almost immediately turned solid most of the cycles.||

[gray valve]

Phantoon got me real low but I did still get him on the first try.

[hardy sable]

I'm always impressed how people can know this game so well. I get lost so easily. I just went from the wrecked ship to Maridia only to find not one, but 2 dead ends and now I have to go all the way back and find some other way to progress

[zenith kite]

Yeah, I'm just using a map and a guide whenever I get stuck.

[hardy sable]

I liked Metroid Dread so much more. The level design always guides you in the right direction there

[zenith kite]

So update: Joy cons suck ass.

But

Now I can pull those walljumps consistently.

[hardy sable]

Oh god, the place that I thought was a dead end, wasn't a dead end. I just had to let an enemy dig through the wall of sand. So glad I decided to look it up.

[rose vale]

Oh yeah, that was a confusing room

[tepid mesa]

I love the dualsense for retro games. So comfy.

[zenith kite]

Aye, it really is.

[torpid prism]

Thanks c:
And yeah, I'm using the Redux hack.

[steep sleet]

Wrecked ship down

Doing good with upgrades so far

Don’t really understand the reserve tank ha

[torpid prism]

I think it refills your health if you run out? Kind of like the sub tanks (or whatever) in Mega Man games?

Except that it's an automatic thing in Super Metroid, I think.

[steep sleet]

Ah that makes sense then

[north iron]

does it refill to full health? it’s been a while since i’ve triggered a reserve tank in super

[torpid prism]

Idk, but I'm assuming that one reserve tank refills one health bar.

[tall sand]

Each reserve rank refills a normal energy tank the an equal amount of energy. In the picture above you can see the reserve tank only has 18 energy in it. So if samaus dies she gets 18 refilled in first tank but no more.

If you have a full reserve tank it will fill the first energy tank full (99)

I think k you can get 4 reserve tanks which means you can refill 4 normal energy tanks to full after samaus dies.

You fill reserve tanks by “overfilling” your regular tanks. So get to full energy on all tanks in the top left and then any more health you get goes into reserve tanks. Or find an energy refill station

[torpid prism]

Got the Screw Attack. 🙂

There's some really well hidden upgrades in this game.

[torpid prism]

Damn that ||Ridley|| fight was tough.

[young delta]

Just tried it today, several attempts but no luck yet. Bat went flat so will try again latter.

Struggling to get the screw attack to be consistent on the RGB30. Seems to cancel out too often.

[torpid prism]

Yeah, it's crazy how Ridley just wiped out my health. He flies around the room so fast, it's tough to keep track of him and dodge his attacks in that small room with a single platform.

[young delta]

yeah, very hard to see where he is coming from. Just noticed you have heaps more health than I do, I need to go farming for more. Might stand a chance that way.

[torpid prism]

I think I'm only missing one missile upgrade. It might be in one of the areas that you access early on in the game somewhere. 🤔

How do I get this door to open? 🤔

[torpid prism]

Got it! 100% of items and upgrades collected! ^_^

[young delta]

well done!

[torpid prism]

Thanks! ^-^

[scenic mesa]

wow! Amazing!

[scenic mesa]

that is for "later" 😉

[young delta]

What version are you playing? I don't have the items % showing

[torpid prism]

I'm using the Redux hack. c:

[torpid prism]

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/4963/

[torpid prism]

Thanks 🙂

[scenic mesa]

did you follow a guide? is there an efficient way to keep order? 😆

[torpid prism]

I've played Super Metroid multiple times before. c:

First time getting 100% though.

And it's my first time playing through the entire game on a CRT TV. ^.^

[torpid prism]

Maybe use a map? I'm sure there are plenty of them online, considering how popular this game is.

[near narwhal]

super impressive! loved your play by play

[torpid prism]

Heheh, thanks. I'm glad you enjoyed it. 😄

[young delta]

nice! The way it was meant to be played

[torpid prism]

Indeed 🙂

[scenic mesa]

don't leave the animals behind!

[young delta]

Just finished it, took me 9 hours and 78% completion. Tried to do it completely blind but gave in and looked at a map towards the end as I was a bit lost and wanted to move on to other games. Had a blast!

This is my second Metroid, last one was GOTM 2 months ago. Love the connection between the two games.

[torpid prism]

Congratulations!! 🎉🥳

I'm about to fight the final boss, I just needed to grab a bite to eat first. c:

[torpid prism]

Clear time: 4:00:59

[torpid prism]

I saved the animals too. :3

[scenic mesa]

now, really, how do they escape?

[torpid prism]

On a ship. In the cutscene of the ||planet exploding|| you see a tiny purple dot flying towards the right side of the screen, which is only there if you save the animals, iirc.

[scenic mesa]

yes! but I wonder they must be much smarter then to be able to pilot a ship

[zenith kite]

Greetings from Maridia! Wish you were here! Anakin Skywalker was right!

[zenith kite]

God damn it. I always fall as far as I can when I fall in Metroid games. Makes those vertical rooms a bit of a pain.

[weak plinth]

Lol, happens to me all the time.

[zenith kite]

Got to Ridley's, hopefully going to knock this tomorrow.

[bleak orchid]

The panic wiggle

Happens to me in every platformer

[exotic dew]

We have Calvin and Hobbes emojis, we have blue emojis, but we don’t have a single Metroid emoji on this server

[tiny mirage]

That's a good skill to have when you actually have to drop down tho speedrunners would be jealous

[bleak orchid]

You fail to understand. If we tried to do that intentionally, we'd hit EVERY PLATFORM on the way down

[north iron]

canonically, Samus saves the animals. just in case any one wanted to know some extra nerdy lore

also, in case folks playing redux are dumb like me and can’t figure out how to use the xray visor, it’s the X button. not select on the items bar or whatever. took me forever to realize that, I thought it was busted in redux lol

[torpid prism]

X)

I put item select on X and X-ray visor on A. 🙂

[north iron]

holy crap, i just DEMOLISHED Phantoon. I thought that was such a difficult fight the first few times I’ve played Super. Not this time 😳 I absolutely torched him

fake screw attack is the pro gamer strat for sure

[steep sleet]

I’m not liking this area after the wrecked ship. Just beat some dragon thing that was poking out of holes so hopefully I’m close to be done here

[zenith kite]

Get bent, Ridley.

[torpid prism]

Yeah, not a fun boss fight imo.

[zenith kite]

Eh, it was fine imo.

At least it wasn't sadistical like Prime's.

[zenith kite]

I need to get my office one of these doors that only opens ||when my subordinates are killed.||

[zenith kite]

Man, this final fight is suspenseful.

(Or at least I hope it's the final)

[prime heart]

It has a great final fight and escape

||Save the animals or else...||

[unkempt falcon]

Did the whole return-to-upper-Brinstar run

goddamn you net a lot of good shit doing that, but it's a big detour timewise even if you're coming back with the gravity suit and getting everything in one go

Like you just don't organically pass that way unless... oh right, you do it on your way to the end

though that's a long delay for like ||three or four bloody energy tanks, a reserve tank, and a bunch of super missiles||

||when you probably want those for like, Draygon and Ridley||

[north iron]

ehh, ||Draygon doesn’t need super missiles, she goes down to the grapple beam zappy-zappy real quick.||

[hardy sable]

Finished! Took me 12 hours (in-game timer showed around 8hours 20 minutes)

[north iron]

on to lower Norfair. Maridia wasn’t quite so bad this time. It would almost be fun, if it weren’t effectively two completely separate areas, and god help you if you fall through the sand in the wrong spot and need to get back around

[steep sleet]

I just finished Maridia and it sucked ass

[exotic dew]

Still better than Strife though

[prime heart]

HyperSuper ||I swear I'm playing the right game done sue me|| Metroid is fun. My Samus is blue for some reason. Got a lot of powerups but not sure where to go next. This hackTHE ORIGINAL GAME has so many sequence breaks that I don't know what the proper order is supposed to be

[north iron]

Done. That’s my third time playing this, and this was by far the quickest. Sub five hours isn’t fast by any means, but I had 80% of the items which made Ridley and Mother Brain easy-peasy. Ridley was actually a first try victory, which is nuts to me. Mother Brain went down quick too, not even she can take 40 super missiles to the face and live.

Super still isn’t my favorite Metroid game (❤️ you, Fusion and Dread) but it’s really really good

[torpid prism]

Congratulations! 🎉 🥳

[bleak orchid]

Playing this got me started on watching map randomizer races. Crazy how these randomizers tend to work for shuffling items without making the game unbeatable, and then on top of that map randomizer shuffling all the rooms while still having a usable map

[torpid prism]

Indeed c:

[tepid mesa]

Wait til you see the randomizer that combines link to the past and super Metroid.

[steep sleet]

Just finished

I feel like it was enjoyable at first, but I didn’t like anything post wrecked ship. I was spoiled by playing Zero Mission, Samus Returns, and Fusion before this. I could see it being insane when it came out though

[unkempt falcon]

meanwhile I like Maridia because I like the music and I like water levels

[steep sleet]

I was on mute the whole time ha

[torpid prism]

Congratulations! 🎉 🥳

[steep sleet]

I’m not a big fan of video game music and like playing while watching tv

[torpid prism]

I do too, but I still like to keep the volume just loud enough so that I can hear the music. c:
I'm not the type to listen to video game music on its own though, outside of playing video games.

[steep sleet]

I don’t mind it at first, but when it gets repetitive I’m out. I like jrpgs and it’s the worst offender ha. Oh great, the same 35 seconds of battle music again

[unkempt falcon]

One of the best things about Earthbound was its wide variety of battle themes tbh

[bleak orchid]

Oh yeah, I've watched those. Then there's a co-op mod too. can't remember if co-op play was adapted to the link to the past mashup or if teams just scouted and shared info

Oh yep, supports multi-world

[prime heart]

The latter part of Hyper Metroid kind of falls off. Go to one area, fumble around for a single powerup that doesn't seem very helpful, then go to the entire other side of the map for the good powerup. Then fumble around finding power bomb locks everywhere until deciding to go back to the other side of the map again and make another slow progress. Lots of back and forth

[prime heart]

Ok, I'm giving up on Hyper Metroid. Explored every single zone but can't figure out where the power bombs are. Every single place I turn needs power bombs. Have give through blue doors and to go back needs power bombs that I don't have and have to backtrack all the way around to go another way just to find out if needs a power bomb too. Not intuitive at all

[near narwhal]

Just beat Ridley. Sitting at 6 hrs in game time and 75% completion. Hopefully the end is near in sight but it has been so good

[north iron]

you’re very close to the end, yeah. Nice job beating Ridley! He’s a tough fight.

[unkempt falcon]

3:07

fuck my life

I hate it here

[torpid prism]

Congratulations!! 🥳🎉

Mine was just over 4 hours, so you did better than me. c:

[unkempt falcon]

Yes but just over 4 hours isn't like "man if I I'd taken one less stupid detour"

or like, not dicked around getting that one single missile canister in western Norfair

the one you get with the grappling beam

there are some really bad time/effort-to-return missile canisters in this game that I really should have just ignored

[torpid prism]

I suppose. 😛

[tall sand]

My time was about identical 💔

[north iron]

Clearly sub 3 is in reach for both of you!

The only Metroid I’ve felt compelled to “speedrun” like that is Dread. I think my best time was like, 3:03 or something. That hurt. So I can sympathize.

[near narwhal]

About to fight mother brain with 35 super missles and 165 normal missles. Hope that is enough

[bleak orchid]

Sounds like plenty, but your charge beam should work as a backup

[north iron]

that’s more than enough ammo. the real trick is etanks.

[near narwhal]

that proved to be my undoing before i called it a night. I lost alot of health and missles dealing with the barrier/etanks the room before. Need to go slower me thinks

hoping to finish it tonite

[dry wyvern]

Should be able to finish today too. Then all in on Strife but I might go over the month

[north iron]

the red barriers don’t respawn, so you can leave that room and go back to the recharge room as needed

[near narwhal]

oh man that is useful advice thanks

[scenic mesa]

didn't know this either! always got to last boss very tight on ammo an ended up using charge beam

[brittle chasm]

I have found this really tiring to play on the 405v lol

[near narwhal]

Man this tip came in so clutch! Thank you for the advice

Game finally done!!!

6h27mins game time and 80% collectibles

But it was more like 9hrs according to retroarch

[north iron]

Heck yeah, great job

[near narwhal]

I am super intrigued at how the speed runners finish this game in less than 2 hrs. Have added a few speed runs to a YouTube playlist. I struggled and needed to use a guide a few times

[tiny mirage]

There's a lot of hallways that only lead to extra optional stuff, you can cut out a lot of the map even before you get into tricky sequence breaks if you know where you actually need to go

The current any% speedruns are insane tho, look for older ones or specifically KPDR (regular boss order) ones cuz they are closer to if you just did a regular playthrough quickly

[ivory plank]

And done! Wow, what a ride. This was the first time I thoroughly enjoyed a Metroid game. Always been more of a Castlevania fan. I've only played Prime and Zero Mission before, but this was by far my favorite.

For a game that came out in 94 it holds up incredibly well, can see why it is so loved by fans.

[torpid prism]

Congratulations! 🎉🥳

[unkempt falcon]

Yeah. While it does have some elements that have dragged with time, it doesn't really feel like an "old" game, somehow.

[torpid prism]

Personally I love the gameplay, it feels really good. 🙂

[formal kestrel]

I'm the closest I've ever come to beating this game, it's been almost 30 years since I first attempted it, and now I can taste it

[scenic mesa]

that's why all 2D metroids are similar with some QoL but that's all, super solid game, gameplay and system

the source of a genre after all!

[sturdy zephyr]

Finished the game, had a great time as expected, though I don't see why this one is supposed to be the best 2D Metroid. Perhaps because it was the first entry that was super good? Anyways, now having finished 3 2D metroid games and Prime, I think I'm liking 3D ones a bit more.

[prime heart]

Yeah, I think it's just because it was first (the first good one I mean). I think Zero Mission is all around a better game. AM2R is also a strong contender for best 2D Metroid. Unfortunately, 3D Metroid peak with Prime. Prime 2 is also fine, but it's divisive. Prime 3 adds a lot of elements that don't fit Metroid very well. None of the other 3D ones are even worth mentioning

[torpid prism]

Congratulations! 🎉 🥳

[proven dust]

What am I supposed to do here exactly

[torpid prism]

Hold down the sprint/dash button, iirc.

Unless you need the Shinespark for that room? 🤔

[proven dust]

There's a dash button? Shiit

Ok thanks

[unkempt falcon]

I'd map it to one of the secondary shoulder buttons so that it's easier to hold while running around and shooting, too

[proven dust]

That's a good idea. I hate this game's button layout generally anyway

[north iron]

the cry of Super Metroid newbies all over the world

[unkempt falcon]

Yeah. It lets you remap to your heart's content but it's just kind of trying to do a lot for a game on the SNES controller

[torpid prism]

That's why I kept recommending using the Redux ROM hack for this game. It has an auto-run feature, so I put what became the walk button on Select, and Item Select on X.

[unkempt falcon]

It would have massively benefited from an extra pair of shoulder buttons for dashing and using secondary weapons

...Also I too put weapon select on X

Seriously though. I couldn't get used to certain aspects of Redux, but it one thing it does very well is letting you switch between your beam and missiles/super missiles/etc. real quick. This is super good for bosses that throw trash mobs at you that you don't want to waste your real ammo on

When I was younger I remember using the Charge Beam against some bosses a lot just because it was either that or keep firing missiles into their distractions

[torpid prism]

I love everything about Redux. ^_^

[bleak orchid]

There's a reason the community calls that room noob bridge https://metroid.fandom.com/wiki/N00b_bridge?so=search

We all have gone through that moment

[proven dust]

Wow these guys are throwing shade

[unkempt falcon]

I actually find myself butting heads with the auto-run at times, and I just didn't get along with how the aim button worked

[torpid prism]

I see. 🙂

[north iron]

i actually can’t think of a single situation where you need to run and shoot at the same time

since the speed booster activates so quickly, and that kills pretty much everything it comes into contact with

[bleak orchid]

Best reason I can think of is to shoot doors while boosting

[north iron]

slaps forehead

yeah that’s a good reason

[tiny mirage]

yeah, not sure if you need to do that in a normal playthrough but you definitely do for some sequence breaks. might be necessary for 100% too

[formal kestrel]

Holy MARY MOTHER OF GOD(?!?!) this quicksand/waterfall nonsense in Maridia is absolutely RUINING this game for me

[north iron]

Maridia claims another victim

The quicksand wasn’t an issue for me this time. I wonder if that had something to do with Redux’s auto-run..? I donno.

[torpid prism]

I've never had that much difficulty with Maridia. It's annoying if you screw it up and have to go all the way back up, but it's only a few spots. It's not too difficult to figure out imo.

[formal kestrel]

Yea I've got it figured out but wow, what a buzz kill to an otherwise solid game

Also didn't realize that balloon dude could be grappled to not have to redo a section everytime I fall

Nearly home stretch

[wide juniper]

Maridia is where I slowed down. Going to be a struggle to finish at the rate I'm going

[formal kestrel]

You got this!

[bleak orchid]

Once maridia is done it's all smooth sailing again!

[tiny mirage]

whoops i need to finish this lmao

[torpid prism]

XD

[formal kestrel]

Oof just messed up my auto save. That's an hour rollback...

I thought RA had an undo autosave feature?

[torpid prism]

😱

[formal kestrel]

Looks like I gotta figure out how to cycle the save slots like I used to

[torpid prism]

I played it on my Super Nt and I was able to use the save stations frequently enough that I didn't miss save states.

[formal kestrel]

I got pretty darn good at wall jumping but wow the space boots are pretty damn gamechanging

[formal kestrel]

Tourian time, LFG!!!

[formal kestrel]

63% item completion, not bad for ALMOST entirely blind playthrough

[torpid prism]

Congrats! c:

[tiny mirage]

i have been off of this but i am struggling so hard i might just start over and do the normal route LMAO. im pretty sure i can comfortably be sub 2 hours on that

i should have taken some extra safeties on the route i was doing but im not even sure which ones make sense

[tiny mirage]

trying to do the modern wr any% route when i havent played the game in like 5 years was over ambitious lmaooo tho it was fun. but ill have more fun just doing regular boss order with a few speed tricks

[outer solstice]

Guys I decided to tackle Metroid fusion, since is already had been gotm. And had never played before

Had to admin it has become my favorite Metroid. It’s awesome

[north iron]

Fusion is awesome. How far in are you?

[outer solstice]

Just finished right now …. My jaw dropped

I’m thinking of starting AM2R hahahah but maybe I’ll wait until it wins gotm

[north iron]

have you played Samus Returns or Dread?

[outer solstice]

Samus return yeah. I liked it but I do prefer the older pixelated graphic style hehe

Dread haven’t played yet

[north iron]

omg play Dread immediately

[outer solstice]

Ok I’ll do it haha

I’m in Metroid mood

[north iron]

yesssssss

Dread is my personal favorite Metroid game. I’ve beat it seven times 😵‍💫 it’s got the best boss fights in the series by far. It’s got the best movement in the series, and it’s not even close. It’s spectacular.

[prime heart]

I really disliked the bosses. They were too pattern focused. Getting hit once did way too much damage and made it feel like you were never actually getting stronger even with finding E-tanks. Older Metroids are more frantic and feel like a battle of attrition hoping that you have enough resources to survive. It evokes a more "dread" feeling than the actual Dread game

[formal kestrel]

Yep, first thing I did after finally beating SM was went back to GOTM Prime and am committed to finishing it this time

Still kicking myself I lost focus that month and didn't finish it

I hope they remaster Prime 2 and 3 after 4 comes out

I'm to understand that 2 and 3 aren't really playable without native hardware

[tepid mesa]

There’s always primehack

[prime heart]

Why do you think that? 2 is easy enough to emulate on GC for anything strong enough for GC. The Wii version of both would probably be a bit fiddly with motion controls unless you've set up Wiimotes or using Primehack

[outer solstice]

Me too… I’m actually playing the prime remaster too.

[formal kestrel]

Yea looks like I was mistaken, Prime 2 seems easy enough as a GC title, it was 3 that looks tricky to bind motion controls but I've found a few controller binding suggestions I'll try after 2 🙂

Just want to be ready for 4 when it comes out

[tiny mirage]

primehack is great tbh i would recommend that for prime 2 and 3. its only on pc tho, no android. but probably steam deck friendly

[formal kestrel]

Yea I'm on my Odin 2 so just running latest Dolphin

I've tried several times to do emulation on my Deck and it just never clicked for me

So I stick to PC on it and emulation on O2

[tiny mirage]

yeah i mean that works... but then you have to use the original control scheme lol. not really sure if you can even bind strafe cuz i dont think there was any way to do it at all in the original if u arent locked on

[north iron]

i just found out about Primehack and it’s gonna make me set up emulation on my deck. See what you’re making me do, Nintendo?!

[prime heart]

Should be half-press L and move. Half-press shouldn't lock on

[exotic dew]

69 completions. NICE

[rose vale]

dumb question, how do people check completions?

[hardy sable]

https://randomizer.retrohandhelds.gg/stats?tab=completions

[tiny mirage]

starting over and just doing the normal route for a last minute completion lol, kraid down

well "normal" as in regular boss order, i still skipped spore spawn and did kraid before getting high jump

[tiny mirage]

phantoon down

[tiny mirage]

draygon down

[unkempt falcon]

congrats on getting the mockball down, I cannae fuckin' do it

[tiny mirage]

it takes me a few tries tbh but yeah i can get it. not bothering with any of the other fancy shit i was doing in the run i tried before tho lmao i shinesparked across the moat instead of that nasty bomb jump

got ice beam before wrecked ship too so i didnt even have to do the red tower walljump (tho im actually pretty good at that tbh)

skipped spore spawn and crocomire. beat draygon and im just under an hour igt, should finish sub 2 hours in game clock i think?

[unkempt falcon]

Honestly if I have an issue with the red tower walljump it's getting in the hole at the top

I can walljump fine, but walljumping out from under an overhang is something else

[tiny mirage]

ridley down

[cloud tulip]

Damn I was like "I need more energy tanks" after getting a BUNCH of missiles (unintentionally) so I walking towards this energy that I used a guide for and the I fell through the floor

What does reserve tank do

I really wanted that energy what the hell

[tepid mesa]

there are a bunch of trolls like that in the game

[cloud tulip]

These guys are flexing on me with their wall jumping skills

I actually don't know how to get out from here but there's no way it's impossible

[tiny mirage]

1:41 and I saved the animals

[tiny mirage]

It fills up when you collect health when all your e tanks are full and then heals you when your health hits zero for the amount filled

[cloud tulip]

wait that's kinda insane

[tiny mirage]

I ended up taking a lot of safeties to just have some easier fights lol I was overstocked for mother brain. Wasn't doing a real speedrun anyway

[tiny mirage]

Each reserve tank only holds 99 tho so they're like shittier etanks

[cloud tulip]

fine by me

I just need more energy

My two + one tanks

Walljumping seems unnecessarily difficult from the way the game presents "teaches" it

[tiny mirage]

44% completion lol thats a lot

[tiny mirage]

it takes a little time to get the hang of but its not that hard. might help to use a little runahead to cut down on input lag tho. you press jump when samus enters a pose where she's like leaned against the wall

[cloud tulip]

I managed it twice before but I'm trying to trigger that "leaning on wall" animation

[tiny mirage]

err its more leaning away i guess. when you press away from the wall on the d-pad she should go into that

she'll leave somersault for a few frames when you tap away from the wall, that's when you jump

[cloud tulip]

I see

[cloud tulip]

I just can't believe I had the ability to wall jump all this time

[tiny mirage]

its very useful lol. makes some of the vertical shaft type rooms a lot easier

and lets you do some fun sequence breaks if you're into that lol

how far are you lol? might be tight to finish before the deadline in just over 2 hours

[cloud tulip]

I definitely not gonna finish in time

I only have half the equipment

Gonna take a nap and finish it this weekend anyways

[tiny mirage]

if you followed a walkthrough you could probably rush it lol but yeah might as well enjoy it

[cloud tulip]

Yo I could shinespark all this time

damn

[tiny mirage]

yeah lol the game doesnt teach you that. or charge beam combos. or crystal flash. but shinespark is more useful than those other two lol

[bleak orchid]

This is why we save the tutorial animals

[tiny mirage]

i did save them lmao

[frail garden]

So I did end up finishing this game yesterday. After the deadline, but went for it anyway.

Good god, it can't be overstated how important it was to the style and design of what we know now as "Metroidvanias." Think about it. Before Super, Metroid 1 & 2 were the gold standard. This one is miles beyond those. Nothing in the genre played like Super Metroid when it came out in 1994. I'd argue very little played like it at all, inside or outside of the genre. It's insane they jammed this into a cartridge in '94, and even more insane how ahead of its time it was. Stellar game. I hope even those who it didn't click with can pick up on its importance.

I would unironically place Super Metroid somewhere close to Doom on a list of historically important video games... both in terms of technical achievement and design impact.

[cloud tulip]

There's one whole place I haven't even explored yet (besides the very last section) but the design and graphics are so impressive

Truly shows me what the SNES is capable of

[cloud tulip]

Sorry this comparison of Doom and Super Metroid reminded me of that one section on the Wikipedia page for Metroidvania where it cited someone's perspective on the term saying that just like how "Doom clone" turned into "FPS", Metroidvania would eventually evolve into another term as the genre continued on... and this article is from 2019... what a bizarre take

[north iron]

it kinda has, although it’s not mainstream. “search action” is another name for the metroidvania genre

[tiny mirage]

metroidvania is kind of a reductive term tbh. there are "metroidvanias" that draw influence more from other things than metroid or castlevania, and there were other metroidvanias in the 80s and 90s.

and as konami keeps making pachinko machines the castlevania part is gonna be less and less relevant tbh. its already been 10+ years since the last castlevania game in that style

[cloud tulip]

That's the only way I can see it going

[tepid mesa]

didn't the castlevania guy move onto the bloodstained series? "metroidstained" doesn't sound quite as catchy though

[cloud tulip]

Hm I just realized the first result for Castlevania is the Netflix show

[tiny mirage]

the guy who directed most of the metroidvania style ones did bloodstained yeah

[bleak orchid]

Bloodtroid though

[cloud tulip]

"Let's put quicksand in our game" One of the many phrases spoke by the utterly deranged

[torpid prism]

X)

[cloud tulip]

No offense to the devs, just reference to this

[torpid prism]

At least the quicksand is only in a few spots iirc. c:
I've definitely experienced more frustrating areas in games than Maridia in SM.

[bleak orchid]

https://youtu.be/OhK9Ku6rTQE?si=2EHleJSXC5kXKD6K

Nice overview of what RBO is like

Too bad it wasn't published last month lol

[tiny mirage]

RBO is very very hard lol.