Miyoo A30 (aka horizontal Miyoo, Miyoo Mini 2, Miyoo 282)

[strong shore]

And I try to constantly justify 4:3 purchases

I have a fucking steam deck oled and rp4 pro and tried justify getting an Odin 2

300$ minimum btw

Rg nano was worth it tho

[keen juniper]

i mean the best handheld is the one that you use. if someone's more likely to use a handheld if it can fit easily in their pocket then it makes sense

[strong shore]

30$ on TikTok shop and I actually use it

It got water damaged and couldn’t boot up for awhile then it booted up fine no problem

It’s kinda a tank

I have like an oled 4060 laptop that doesn’t have shitty heat problems and I still think about buying more handhelds

[keen juniper]

like personally i really like having something miyoo mini size but my actual miyoo mini is too fragile for me to just throw it in a pocket so this new wave of mini horizontals is exciting to me

[strong shore]

Eventho that is like objectively the only thing I’d need for gaming + maybe a nano

Yea

Honestly I just really want something like gkd pixel or miyoo mini size

With a screen almost as good as the nano

That I can view outdoors well

That has WiFi for save clouds

And a suspend mode that doesn’t drain like onionos or nano

Preferably horizontal

And it’s durable

[vague merlin]

We need to start a channel about backpacks and sling bags lol

It's definitely cheaper than buying yet another downgraded device just because it's more pocketable

[strong shore]

So literally just miyoo mini with wifi and better durability and slightly better chipset

That’s it

I want something where it can live in my pocket any time of the day

[balmy yarrow]

that's how I feel, too!

[keen juniper]

my b ill just buy a backpack and a steam deck

[drowsy lagoon]

Beyond the processing power, there is the consumption. The A33 takes 6W to achieve much lower processing than the H700 with 4W. And the A30 has a lower capacity battery.

[subtle raptor]

this guy gets it

[prime osprey]

price?!

whose price, 353v? or anything revealed about tha a30?

[subtle raptor]

It's not going to be the $40ish USD the H was on sale for at Aliexpress this week lol

At least not yet

[prime osprey]

fair

[silent breach]

Sling bag + Gamesir Galileo + that new Lenovo gaming tablet with the SD8G1
All you need

[drowsy lagoon]

It all depends on how large your pockets are, provided you already probably carry a smartphone in another pocket and don't want all your pockets look bumpy.

[prime osprey]

(it's always hard not to feel a bit sorry for buyers without a good timing for discounts)

[ocean night]

you guys really worried about battery that much with this cpu? What was the battery like on the S30?

[strong shore]

no idea but 28xx should have much better battery

honestly anbernic really improved their reputation since like 2021

[tender lichen]

Another factor is whether or not you carry your pocket handheld in a case or not. I never stuff handhelds in my pocket without putting them in a case first, and a RG35XX-H in a case is going to be significantly bulkier than a RG28XX in a case.

[strong shore]

i remember when they were a laughing stock for awhile because they couldnt keep up with like retroid

because their price to performance used to be so shit

and now they've been getting really good with prices

and so far only the new rg35xx refresh has been like actively not good

[silent breach]

Funny how competition does that

[strong shore]

yea

actually every anbernic i owned besides the 280v i've liked a lot

280v feels too old to me, screen really does not hold up

[keen juniper]

like 4 hours maybe? not awful but not great

[strong shore]

and neither does like the software but its built great and feels great

[silent breach]

I think either of the upcoming 3.5 in clamshell devices are superior to these micro devices. They are more pocketable because they protect the screen yet they offer a superior experience

Don't know why you'd buy this over those

They are wise to release this first

[balmy yarrow]

eh, the SP feels bulky in my pocket

[tender lichen]

It's the case issue again for me. I don't want the shell of my handheld getting scratched up bouncing against other stuff in my pocket, and an SP style device in a case is gonna take up a lot more pocket space than a 28XX or A30 in a case. It's just a size efficiency thing.

[prime osprey]

What will I lose if I, say, buy a used RG353v right now instead of getting the clamshell ones? Existing custom firmware? Android potential?

[tacit light]

PS5 of course

[keen juniper]

i hate clamshell form factor honestly. just tends to be really uncomfortable when the device isnt wide enough. i really dont like the gba sp

[frosty crescent]

I would take the 28xx with me anytime. The 35xxH, which I love, I would not

[tacit light]

I mean the Trumui smart has been out there for a while now

[wanton ether]

What systems does the A30 run?

[subtle raptor]

Wild

[keen juniper]

up to ps1 well, very spotty n64/dc/psp

[wanton ether]

🥹 😭

The ones I want it to run is spotty!

[keen juniper]

yeah dont buy this for those lol. its not a very powerful chip

[wanton ether]

Wait, its the V4 screen for the mini right?

[frosty crescent]

It's the one I use right now. But I'm not averse to a slightly bigger screen and better perf/battery/earphone jack

There's only a 0.5cm difference in length between the 2 (smart and 28xx). Case closed

[wanton ether]

I've had my TrimUi Smart Pro for less than a week and I love it! Hard to put down due to the screen size

[frosty crescent]

I'm talking about the smart, not the smart pro 😁

Funny how this little gem is completely overshadowed by the pro

[bleak olive]

It’s a well built little thing from what I understand

[subtle raptor]

Smart is awesome

[bleak olive]

Like someone said. The best handheld is the one you have with you which is why I’m looking at these two. Sometime small they I can carry without fear of breaking or having to use a case or anything

Something roughly the size of my phone is nice

[subtle raptor]

Sling bag - you can have any handheld you want with you

[ocean night]

only thing about the smart is it'd be a lot nicer if it had a 640x480 screen

[wanton ether]

It just needs Tomato to become more solid like Onion OS. Don't get me wrong Tomato is good, but has room for greatness

[frosty crescent]

I'm using MinUI, which does cater to all my needs

[keen juniper]

yeah but then you have to wear a sling bag

[frosty crescent]

on this device that is

[subtle raptor]

what's wrong with sling bags?

[bleak olive]

That’s how I carry my things sometimes but also sometimes you want a thing you can slip in a pocket

And I love my MM+. Been playing a lot of Metroid zero mission on it lately

But I always fear for the screen

[thorn pond]

the a30 has a gpu so it might be able to run swanstation (psx rearmed is doing everything on cpu for the mm)

[balmy yarrow]

I look ridiculous with a sling bag and it doesn't fit my style

[bleak olive]

valid

[balmy yarrow]

thank you! 😄

[bleak olive]

counterpoint

piccolo rocks a bag

[subtle raptor]

But a child sized handheld goes with your look?

Kidding 🙂

[balmy yarrow]

is this from the new one by Toyotaro?

[bleak olive]

yeah

latest chapter from last month

[balmy yarrow]

some would argue any handheld is childish for a grown man turning 35 tomorrow... 😅

[balmy yarrow]

haven't read it but I watched Super

[bleak olive]

I recommend the manga. It's good and it goes in different directions slightly for stuff that also got animated, and adds new sagas entirely

like more broly

[balmy yarrow]

yeah, I saw this goat character... Moro?

[bleak olive]

yep

bringing magic and weirdness back to the franchise

there's also a lot of great Vegeta

[balmy yarrow]

what about Piccolo? 😛

[bleak olive]

they go through he entire super hero arc in the manga and it's good. I always love seeing more piccolo

[balmy yarrow]

good to hear!

[tacit light]

it's a paraplegic backpack.

[merry pewter]

Take another look at the channel, especially the older videos of Miyoo's older devices e.g. Pocket Go 2 V1 and Pocket Go 2 V2 🙂
Miyoo is also behind the store retromimi. I know this, because they shared the same return address as Miyoo store on AliExpress.

[storm lava]

interesting

[merry pewter]

I knew this since the BittBoy area 😄

[tacit light]

the hottest you have

[storm lava]

doesn't explain why they cover competitors like the 28xx on their channel

but maybe they do the whole "we sell devices from others in addition to making our own" in their shop ala powkiddy

[merry pewter]

It does since they also have retromimi store 😉

They also sell other devices!

[storm lava]

gotcha

[jade hollow]

The piccolo waving goodbye panel was supposedly drawn by Toriyama, his last contribution

[bleak olive]

still. It's not like the video was giving out biased opinions 🤷‍♂️

[bleak olive]

it was. Toriyama made edits to Toyotaro's paneling as part of their process. That Piccolo waving back was one of his notes

originally that was framed from further away which made it seem like the viewer wasn't going with them

[bleak olive]

left original, right toriyama's edit

[balmy yarrow]

nice

[bleak olive]

i think toriyama also went on record as saying that piccolo was one of his favorites, so it seems fitting

[storm lava]

so did Piccolo go for the 28xx or the A30?

[balmy yarrow]

Piccolo being a better r parent than Goku can ever be 😛

[storm lava]

I'm confused

[bleak olive]

he's carrying a steamdeck in that bag

[keen juniper]

idk neither of them are green

[bleak olive]

or purple

[spark bramble]

But one is orange

[rotund gulch]

I mean you don't need a bag when you can just fly to get your handheld

[visual bloom]

Happy Birthday!

[balmy yarrow]

why thank you! 🙂

[silent breach]

Up till now I've been pretty neutral on the micro devices, a30 vs 28xx but after watching Russ's review, I think I'm firmly on the Miyoo side. Better colors, bigger abxy buttons, Wi-Fi, possibly onion OS are the big ones

Headphone jack doesn't bother me

The analog stick will make N64 easier to play

I bet the build quality will be better too

[frosty crescent]

I'm the other way around

[keen juniper]

n64 performance is gonna be much much worse on this

[muted latch]

I got to say, the RG28XX is looking really good in comparison to this. Specially the color options.

The perfect iteration of this sort of device for me would have been the RG28XX but with Wifi instead of that pointless micro HDMI

[keen juniper]

idk i dont really care about wifi on a mini device. retroachievements dont work offline anyway so im basically never gonna be able to use them

[muted latch]

Really, it all depends if the A30 can get good CFW.

i'd like to use Pico8 with splore on my mini device

[keen juniper]

right splore is nice

just a nice-to-have for me personally tho. cuz again itll only work when im at home and im not getting a device like this to play it at home

[bleak olive]

Agreed. I can live without wifi but the hdmi port is such a weird inclusion in something this small without BT

The main issue I have with the a30 currently is that the stock software seems to be worse because of the configuration and the lack of a 3.5mm port. Both which are very fixable.

[valid prism]

At this point I really want Wi-Fi so I don't have to mess with scraping. And I love to ftp or ssh ROMs over

[prime osprey]

Any excuse to try netplay is good excuse

[sly stone]

Yeah I don't care about HDMI for this size of device but art scrapping and dumping ROMs or config files over wifi is a must IMO

[mystic geode]

Another reason to have wifi that peeps don't talk about often is syncing saves. The next pocket handheld I buy to replace my miyoo mini will definitely have wifi for that reason alone if nothing else

[eager light]

What software do you use for that?

[mystic geode]

Syncthing

[valid prism]

I haven't yet messed with syncing saves even though I'm comfy with syncthing. I gotta get on that

[storm lava]

I like the looks of the A30 better, but the 28xx will likely end up the better device

[keen juniper]

its definitely the more powerful. debatable how much that matters for some people tho i guess

28xx i mean

[storm lava]

I kinda like the novelty of playing N64/DC on a 2.8 device

so it's a bummer that the A30 won't do well there

[silent breach]

Scraping boxart tho

[keen juniper]

yeah i dont use boxart either

so 🤷

[subtle raptor]

They're both meme devices, but I'd 100% go for the A30 instead

[rich python]

lol, nice unbiased opinion there

[silent breach]

Easier to tell what the game is at a quick glance than trying to read small text

[bleak olive]

You heard it here. Joey loves small devices

[silent breach]

Joey needs a big badonk to grab onto, he's an ass man and I sympathize

[subtle raptor]

Wait till you hear my thoughts on Powkiddy and Ayaneo 😉

[red flax]

April is almost ending now where is this thing

[subtle raptor]

The GoGameGeek tweet wasn't real dates, they deleted it after, still a bit away

[tender lichen]

I'll be with you if it ends up being powerful enough to run absolutely any PS1 core other than pcsx-rearmed lol

[silent breach]

Joey is my spirit animal.

[merry pewter]

Better than Anbernic's 28xx hellno!

[visual bloom]

what's wrong with the 28xx build quality? other than a bit of shoulder button rattle I haven't seen many complaints

[merry pewter]

Miyoo fanboy 😛

[visual bloom]

I like some things about miyoo a lot (like their dpad and MM+ shoulders) vs anbernic

[valid prism]

We can just be evidence based here and see which one turns out better.

But I very much like Miyoo so far. That's like 75% onion though

[alpine harbor]

I like Miyoo. Even comparing the plus vs the 35xx, without turning it on, I prefer the plus. Can't even tell you why. It just feels better to me. Then I turn it on and it's game over for anbernic

[silent breach]

The rattle is what I was referring to

[visual bloom]

"doctor, it hurts when I move my arm like this"

[tacit light]

Don’t move your arm like that then

[jovial valve]

Whether the construction quality is good or bad is sometimes subjective

[lunar socket]

I wonder if it will scrape with a dongle

[vague merlin]

Yeah, I don't know when Miyoo became known for their build quality

It's as if people weren't complaining for over a year the OG Mini couldn't survive the slightest drop

Not to mention my Plus rattles too, though probably not as much as what Russ shows in the 28xx video (kinda hard to compare mic audio to real life sound)

That being said the texture on the plastic they've used on my DMG Plus is my all-time favorite of all handhelds, and the d-pad for me is second only to the Arc

Just can't say they have the best track record in QC is all

[drowsy lagoon]

I only had one MM and its DPad was noticablely softer (no bounce) on the left. I did return the unit but I'm not left with an impression of high built quality from Myioo. And asking arround, other people had the exact same issue.

[vague merlin]

I think truthfully it's a lottery for most of these brands

The rest of them are just reliably bad lol

But it's not like anyone is completely without fault ever

[drowsy lagoon]

Well I had 3 Anbernics, and no one was faulty whatsoever. But I probbaly just had a bad luck with my MM.

[vague merlin]

I've had three as well, two didn't have any problems, the third one (Arc) has slight lightbleed that somehow became less prominent with time

Also d-pad would sometimes get a bit stuck, but it goes away if you just remove it and put it back in. I don't even add any oil or anything, the physics of this whole thing is completely beyond me

[prime osprey]

It's a common issue with laminated screens. Without that critical weakpoint a typical plastic handheld could be very close to a GBA in terms of durability, if not the original brick

[idle hedge]

I don't entirely get why a slight rattle indicates lesser quality anyway tbh, it just means that they are not too stiff and less likely to be worn from use, it is not like the usual way to use a device is shaking the thing like a baby's rattle anyway

[silent breach]

It's just a feature associated with cheaper devices

If you shake your steam deck or your iPhone or your Odin 2, you don't hear any rattling

[merry dove]

If I shake my Xperia phone I hear the camera rattling

Not a great indicator of price

[idle hedge]

I have only one problem with my xperia, the fingerprint reader seems to have died

annoying since I actually preferred the in the power switch rather than screen version it has

[rotund gulch]

The best built quality in this space is Trimui and it's not close

[velvet token]

Anyone know what is the CPU/GPU in this device? Thanks all

[rotund gulch]

A33 all winner with a Mali 400

[gusty oasis]

https://x.com/bittboyhandheld/status/1782250289447440586?s=46

BittBoy (@BittBoyHandheld) on X

N64 games runs so good on MIYOO A30! Can’t help to test it on PS1. What games do you want me to test? #miyoo #miyooa30 #rg28xx #retrogames

Twitter · Apr 22, 2024, 3:29 AM

[supple summit]

hmmmmmm

[merry dove]

Show me Goldeneye, Mario Tennis and Conker running full speed without graphical issues and then I'll believe that "N64 games runs so good"

[supple summit]

Add Paper Mario to that list

if the performance is a notch or two above the 3326 then with good software and fiddling you could get a lot of N64 running pretty good

and the idea of a smol N64 machine is quite appealing to me ATM

[rare jacinth]

I'm trying to rationalise to myself if the smaller form factor of this is actually even worth it for me.. like realistically it's 2cm less wide than the RG 353m, and 1.5cm less tall.. but does that suddenly make it pocketable..? And for the performance cost as well

[eager light]

Honestly buying something like this makes no sense when the RG35XXH exists but I'll buy it anyway

[rare jacinth]

The height looks like it'll feel the most impactful as I'm measuring it up against my phone. 2cm less long doesn't feel that big of a deal when it's already that long but shaving a few cm off it's height makes it seem like it'll be tiny..

[fading topaz]

its well under 3326

[prime osprey]

And Kirby 64

[vague merlin]

Tbf this will probably at least have half the weight of your 353M, but will lose on everything else, and yeah, that size difference doesn't seem significant

[rare jacinth]

Yeah I like the weight as well tbh, metal feel good.
I almost wish we had a slightly larger and maybe stronger/wide-screen q36 as it and nano are actually portable and convenient

[vague merlin]

Yeah I like the weight as well tbh, metal feel good.

Then I'd say you already have the best thing in the class as far as Linux devices are concerned

[rare jacinth]

Lets see how dumb we can be and pray for our wallets

[keen juniper]

yeah its a notch or two below lol its not running a lot of the library

[drowsy lagoon]

2cm and 1.5cm make a dramatic difference in practice. Try with phones that different in size.

[drowsy lagoon]

Yes. Nevertheless, the video shows stable (not blinking) shadows in Mario, which suggests that it's not with Rice. I honestly was beleiving that it would be worst.

[rare jacinth]

My rationale was, it doesn't suddenly make it pocketable vs not though, we got big ol phones and lil ol phones.. so yeah idk, I realistically doubt I'll be pocketing this and taking it around and would throw it in a bag instead so those size changes probably aren't too big of a deal

Not too sure, not too sure

Only stuff I'd truly call pocketable devices are funkeyOS devices. The rest you're probably gonna have in a small bag or just grab when you wanna play at home

I'm just thinking out loud anyway, working my way away from spending unnecessary money 👀

[hallow stump]

Yeah, people tend to view this in absolute terms (it’s only a few CMs bigger/smaller) when it’s much better to look at percentages for direct comparisons on size

[rare jacinth]

Id say I see it more in a.. does this enable it to do something that the other cannot, or is it smaller but still in that same 'tax bracket' ya know?

If it's not suddenly something I'd consider portable/pocketable as the size change hasnt enabled it to be something different, then I need to think is the performance trade off worth it

[bleak olive]

Rumor is the 28xx drops on Thursday so hopefully miyoo has some news soon but I doubt it

[modern terrace]

https://youtu.be/uee_iO8cQKw

[muted latch]

It runs games

[fading topaz]

it looks better than n64 emulation was on s30, but maybe I just remember it wrong

[drowsy lagoon]

I had a RG35XX-H and it was very noticeable in any pocket of mine. I wish it was just a bit smaller. Yes there is a threshold thing and it is very subjective. But 2cm are a lot when you are close to your own threshold. Note that I never buy phones larger than 6" so I'm perhaps on the low threshold side. If you can tolerate 6.8" smartphones, then you probably won't need something smaller than a RG35XX-H.

[vague merlin]

I mean, these are not hard to run games, but maybe impressive for the chip

[prime zenith]

Oh hey they clipped their nails

Is it just me or did the audio sound pretty bad on the PS1 street fighter they were playing

[drowsy lagoon]

And rumor says $48 ($44 first 48 hrs). Myioo should provide more substantial information.

[knotty coral]

That's kind of how I feel, I use a Pixel 8 because it's one of the smaller flagship phones on the market that isn't Apple

[bleak olive]

agreed.

[idle hedge]

35xxH is a jacket or cargo shorts pocket device for me, trimui smart or these new two would be a regular pocket

[drowsy lagoon]

Agreed. But at least, it lets with the feeling that a joystick is of some use on such a low powered device. I like sticks for old school RPGs or shoot'em up, but it is better this way, with some working games actually designed with a stick in mind.

[thorn pond]

emulator might just be faster with more years of dev work

[keen juniper]

yeah the versions on s30 are several years old

[rare jacinth]

Yeah, I'm thhe same with smartphones, I just don't see myself actually carrying one of these around with me right now compared to say an rgnano that I don't even realise I have in there, nor do I even play it much despite it being there

so just figuring out my own thresholds

[bleak olive]

i've been rocking an iphone mini since they brought it back

i'll avoid getting a new one until they make something smaller. I think all smartphones are too dang big

a device roughly the size of my phone feels perfect

either this one or the 28xx.

or both, who knows.

[golden imp]

Out of this and the rg28xx, I think I'm still leaning towards this one unless there's some horrific issue with it. The looks of this one is so unique and I'm okay with trading off not being able to play DC or all of N64.

To me, it seems like more of a novelty to play higher end consoles on such a small device. I just want a pretty micro handheld that I can play a few hours at a time and Onion OS will also be a cherry on top of that

[bleak olive]

I think the shoulder buttons on this look more comfortable weirdly enough. I also like the look of the famicom controller

[hallow stump]

shoulders also don't click super loudly like the 28xx's do

also feels like anbernic went with 2x smaller shoulders so you won't have to reach so far for L2/R2, but honestly I just use those 95% for hotkeys so having much bigger L1/R1 is great

[idle hedge]

The interesting thing with the 28xx shoulder buttons might be whether or not you can click them from either the top or the back, would give more flexibility in how you held a smaller device like these ones

[pseudo matrix]

Do we have any release date news for the A30?

[alpine harbor]

It'll be all the talk when it's released next year. Don't worry, you won't miss it.

[idle hedge]

It's definitely scheduled to be released at some point between now and the heat death of the universe...

probably

[hallow stump]

April 31st

[bleak olive]

Russ mentioned he has one on the way so it’s gotta be sooner rather than later

[hallow stump]

Comparisons to the p60 aside, it does seem like enough people have them in hand for it to be a real release soon

[idle hedge]

hopefully a more competent release than the limited stocks nonsense in the past

[prime osprey]

PSYCH!
It's getting a limited launch in the Chinese market today!

Limited...?

Dammit

Launch price is CNY 10 less than the equivalent RG28XX

[keen juniper]

isnt that like barely over $1?

probably not gonna be make or break for anybody lol

[eager light]

Brb flying to China

[bleak olive]

Wow

[modern terrace]

Another Spanish YouTuber has published a review of the A30: https://youtu.be/j_73oVz7eLM

[eager light]

https://twitter.com/RetroGameCorps/status/1782944224914416060?t=h8bHOdeQbOzGoovZwgF28g&s=19

Retro Game Corps (@RetroGameCorps) on X

A wild Miyoo A30 has appeared! Expect a review video on Thursday.

Twitter · Apr 24, 2024, 1:26 AM

[storm lava]

surely it's only a matter of days now

[bleak olive]

Excited to see what Russ has to say

[lunar socket]

Definitely waiting on his verdict

[haughty crater]

I still don't know why there's no headphone jack on the A30, it's literally like a $0.14 part

[eager light]

More about the room it takes up I imagine

[haughty crater]

It definitely makes sense on something like the FunkeyS or RGNano but there's still plenty of room on the A30 and the RG28xx seemed to have no issue fitting one in there. It just seems like a cost cutting decision, but a weird one considering how cheap 3.5mm jacks are.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone mods one into the A30 within a few weeks of launch though

[eager light]

Maybe they had to pay for a dac too

[timber egret]

Does it have WiFi or Bluetooth?

[bleak olive]

WiFi

Unclear about bt

[timber egret]

As long as I can get my retro achievements, I’m happy. Pretty big oversight on the RG28XX, IMO.

[eager light]

I've heard the argument that it doesn't matter as much on a micro handheld because you will be taking it out rather than playing at home

[timber egret]

Valid argument, for sure, but I need my RA on any device at this point.

[eager light]

RA is cool but scraper is really nice

[timber egret]

I’m about to reflash my TrimUI Smart from MinUI back to stock just because I hate the loss of WiFi. My hope is the A30 can replace the Smart, though.

[timber egret]

And potential cloud save, as well.

[eager light]

They should just build that into retro arch or make a plugin or something, wouldn't mind hosting my own server but I have too many different kinds of devices for a good sync solution

[torpid coral]

there are only 200 units available apparently, beta testers

the big shipment is May

[prime osprey]

Yeah I think the purchase page was apparently shut down mere 10 minutes after it went up

[torpid coral]

it makes sense, you do a limited production run and strict quality control

they are expecting this to be a big seller

[bleak olive]

https://www.keepretro.com/products/miyoo-a30

Keepretro has it up for preorder

$55 with a release date of “sometime before June”

[knotty coral]

May be a tougher sell with the RG28XX being less for more performance

On top of the 28xx being for sale on Thursday

[bleak olive]

$55 in a vacuum isn’t terrible but yeah next to the 28xx being less than $50 is not great for the miyoo. We’ll see what they’re like head to head

[supple summit]

I think Miyoo might be leaning on OnionOS being a major sale factor for most

[knotty coral]

Might be leaning on it a little bit too much imo. OnionOS is great and all but they're relying on the community to basically do their work for them

[supple summit]

oh yeah for sure

[knotty coral]

If the A30 and the 28XX had the same chipset, that'd be different

[supple summit]

but it's the same ole MM chipset

[subtle raptor]

Thanks, not a fan of keepretro, but that means the Ali price is likely in the $40ish dollar range since KR is a reseller that marks things up decently.

[bleak olive]

That’s a good point

[supple summit]

I wish Miyoo would step up to a better chipset

[subtle raptor]

This really drives home how much more I want the A30.

[supple summit]

man the buttons look so tiny on the 28XX

[knotty coral]

Hopefully Russ can take some measurements to really compare the button sizes on his review

[subtle raptor]

One measured in mm, the other in cm

[supple summit]

what about freedom units?

[knotty coral]

Tough to really compare how much smaller the 28xx buttons are too when the Miyoo has matte buttons and the 28xx has glossy

D pad is easy to compare

[subtle raptor]

Miyoo using the 28xxs face buttons for start and select

[prime zenith]

Onion lives!

[fading topaz]

and on top of that those outlines on the shell make the buttons a30 pop out even more

[bleak olive]

I think I like the fully square format and the shoulder buttons better on the a30 visually

And I like the famicom look

It does look like if miyoo is also using a roared screen they implemented it better than anbernic did

No rotated fps counter

[subtle raptor]

Completely missed that lol

[drowsy lagoon]

My concern is not so much on power but rather on efficiency. The A33 is an antique 40nm processor which consumes 6W to get much less processing power than the H700 with 4W only. If it was less powerful but with a lower consumption then I would be OK. Back in 2014, this processor used to cost $4. Myioo is really making fun of us.

[bleak olive]

That one Spanish review that got posted said he got 4-5 hours on the battery

[drowsy lagoon]

A 6W processor with a weaker battery cannot stand as long as a 4W processor with a larger battery under the same conditions.

[bleak olive]

I wonder if shoving a bigger battery in there is possible

Seems roomier than the mm or mm+

[drowsy lagoon]

If you only play SNES games on the RG28XX with no shaders or IQ improvements as you would on the A30, then the former will stand much longer. But if you are tempted to play DC on the RG28XX while you play SNES on the A30, then you may reach comparable battery life 😉

[prime osprey]

Except this logo was actually available on the stock OS menu UI

[bleak olive]

There’s an “onion” theme in the stock firmware for miyoo

Ot just mimics what onion looks like by default

[prime zenith]

Sneaky sneaky

[bleak olive]

It was something pointed out in one of the Spanish reviews. Its misleading

But it’s just a system theme

[wide niche]

So this is literally just a horizontal miyoo with a stick lol

[supple summit]

yup

this is a product that has been in the "works" since like 2021

[wide niche]

Think I'll pass then

28xx how you doin girl

[supple summit]

it's doing smol

[drowsy lagoon]

It's not the same chipset. The "new" one is a bit more powerful and offers a GPU which will allow for efficient interpolation for instance. But it is still an outdated and very weak one when compared to the competition.

[wide niche]

If it gets MinUI I'll probably get one but I'm pretty set on the 28xx rn

And it drops on payday

[supple summit]

I'm just waiting for clamshells to come to save me

[wide niche]

Do we have a ballpark for the a30 price or is it guesstimating rn

[subtle raptor]

It's $55 on keepretro, so expect $40ish from official.

[supple summit]

so both?

[subtle raptor]

In the 40s.

[drowsy lagoon]

This price sounds OK and concurrence between Miyoo and Anbernic obvioulsy drawed both prices down.

The crappy chipset would perhaps be OK if you don't mind 3D games. But even for a pure retro 2D system (and a great design with that in mind), early reviews showed stuttering for CPS3 and demanding CPS2 games, which is very unfortunate. Hope it can improve up to a point where all retro 2D games get playable.

[supple summit]

time to run the Medievil test

[merry dove]

If both the 28xx and the a30 are so flawed, we need the xumini m to save us

How would a 3326 compare in performance and efficiency? That's also been around forever...

[supple summit]

with a big enough battery the 3326 should endure

[merry dove]

Is the 3326 made with a 22 nm process?! I can't find definitive info

[sly cairn]

That the same chip as the s30?

[fading topaz]

yes

[sly cairn]

That’s tough

[supple summit]

I thought the S30 used an older chip than the 3326?

[fading topaz]

it is? A33 is from 2014, 3326 is from 2018

[supple summit]

we're talking about the PocketGo S30 right?

[fading topaz]

yes

and that used a33

which is older than 3326

[supple summit]

okie day

so SuperBottle was mistaken

that threw me for a loop

[fading topaz]

or maybe I didnt get his question, I guess he was maybe asking about the 3326. Never mind

[supple summit]

derps all around

[sly cairn]

No I didn’t see the messages above about the 3326 lmao, mostly meant the chip on the a30

In any case, I meant holy moly that’s an old chip

[supple summit]

aren't most chips used in these devices pretty old?

[sly cairn]

Recent releases? Compared to a near 10 year old chip? Unsure

[visual bloom]

Not this old normally, no

[sly stone]

There is no way those hands are not photoshoped. Like the face buttons would be 2 cm wide with a 4inch display, COME ON

Plus the start/select buttons and joysticks aren't even the same as on real pictures, lol

[weary nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/papi-ace-tiny-hands-small-hands-typing-type-gif-24733464

The mirrored one on the right is a dead giveaway too, unless they're planning a southpaw version lol

[vague merlin]

RK3566 is 2020, H700 is 2021

This thing is like 4 years older than RK3326 (2014 vs 2018)

[drowsy lagoon]

And according to gadgetversus, RK3326 and A33 are both 40nm. The RK is 5W while the A is the worst : 6W while significantly less powerful, hence a big difference in performance/watt.

https://gadgetversus.com/processor/allwinner-a33-vs-rockchip-rk3326/

[fringe veldt]

3326 probably wasn't released when they designed the internals

[drowsy lagoon]

The H700 and RK3566 have a more uptodate design and they are in another league. They are comparable as far as the performance/watt is concerned, and like twice ahead the others. The H700 is 28nm/4W while the RK is 22nm/5W. The RK is the most powerful while still very efficient and the H700 is the most efficient while still very powerful.

The A30 in the A33 is the less efficient as well as the less powerful. A shitty chipset with a weak battery.

But I like the A30's design, control, wifi and price.

https://gadgetversus.com/processor/allwinner-h700-vs-rockchip-rk3566/

[vague merlin]

Usually those aren't the SoC TDP, but rather the total power consumption for a whole SBC or a smartphone/tablet that has the chip. ARM chips manufacturers often don't even publish the TDP for their chips

That 6W can even come from a whole 10 inch tablet for all we know

I mean, for context, RK3588S TDP (the SoC only) is 7W, the whole SBC is about 12W

[drowsy lagoon]

Ah OK thanks. My mistake. So we are left with the 20, 28 and 40nmto make our mind, right ?

[vague merlin]

Miyoo Mini's SOC is under 1W IIRC

So 5-6W is a lot

[drowsy lagoon]

It would be nice to have the TDP of them all.

[vague merlin]

I think there might be a problem with how power management is implemented in the 12 year old Linux kernel A30 uses

Things like CPU governors play a part as well here

So basically only real life tests will tell us how long it will last

[drowsy lagoon]

The issue with real life tests is that people are tempted to play Dreamcast on the RG28XX and less demanding systems on the A30. So comparisons are often flawed.

[vague merlin]

BTW, we don't know the capacity of both batteries either

Still can't get over the fact that RGB20SX got a battery that's 40% larger than the majority of RK3566 devices

[pseudo matrix]

A30: 2500mah
28xx: 3100mah
According to KeepRetro and anbernic sites

[vague merlin]

So almost a quarter smaller capacity

Yeah, I'd say that's more significant than any chip differences

[tacit light]

15 of June. Your kidding right? "May" ship sooner

[bleak olive]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upnF2e4xSiU

[visual bloom]

Yeah we need a real head to head - both handhelds running the same game from full to empty

Ideally once with gameboy and once with an n64 game that the a30 can play full speed

[mystic geode]

that's something I really didn't want to read lmao

[vague merlin]

We need this pinned on every Miyoo channel

[muted latch]

A30 ergonomics really seem to be on a different tier than the 28

28XX's controls seem to be designed to look pretty, like a miniature switch lite. A30 controls make it look ugly, but they are going to be so much more useable.

headphone jack tho

[hallow stump]

Drop the stick, add headphone jack would be my preference, but having the usb c dongle included helps a lot

[low seal]

i think the blacks a30 looks good

[hallow stump]

Huge L1/R1 is great

Wish the screen was laminated vs recessed

[keen juniper]

yeah the buttons look better but the SOC and lack of headphone jack...

[hallow stump]

I often don’t even have wired headphones on me these days, either I’ve got nothing or only wireless

[fading topaz]

but this doesnt have bluetooth, does it?

[hallow stump]

Doesn’t seem like it

Even if it did, latency is usually a problem

[fading topaz]

sucks as I would like this as a replacement for rg280v and I use wired heaphones a lot with it

if only I could breed 28xx and this and create a perfect offspring

[hallow stump]

If you don’t use the headphones for other stuff, you can just leave the dongle attached

It’s what I used to do back in the iPhone 8 days

And I just stashed a few backup dongles in bags/car

[fading topaz]

not sure if I trust it enough to not strain the usb c when it pocket. Its far less durable than the good old jack

[hallow stump]

Oh yeah I wouldn’t leave it connected in a pocket

USB C ports already aren’t the most durable port

[fading topaz]

whoever designed that "tongue" should get a kick in the jaw

[hallow stump]

The alternative is what Apple did with lightning, and people still complained about cables wearing down/breaking

[fading topaz]

easier to replace a cable than a port

[idle hedge]

If it had been updated to modern speeds and didn't have the apple tax, the lightning connector could have been a great option

[hallow stump]

Agreed, but it didn’t stop people complaining to apple

[hallow stump]

Yeah it’s definitely in a weird spot, but that’s what happens when you need to replace the 30-pin and usb-c isn’t a standard yet

[idle hedge]

It did seem like they had some shoddy cables though, you almost never see even cheap usb cable breaking so easily

It probably didn't help that lightning cables tended to cost a little more than a usb cable too

[tacit light]

So who preordered one? From the 3rd party site?

[bleak olive]

too soon

gonna wait till russ puts his video out

also not paying the keepretro inflated pricing

[rich lagoon]

Keepretro is not a bad solution if you live in the EU. For example a 35XX+ is 63.99USD+12USD (shipping)+20.52USD(taxes) =96.1 USD directly from Anbernic. The same from Keepretro: 68.99USD+3USD shipping. They avoid somehow the taxes.

[bleak olive]

true but we also don't know when this is launching

or if it's worth a damn

[subtle raptor]

Oh, I just meant the actual company, have had issues with them. Can't speak to pricing or anything.

[idle hedge]

Gogamegeek seemed to have decent prices last time I used them, price was competitive to ali and was also free shipping

[rich lagoon]

Mee too, I have bad experiences with shipping but their prices are competitive.

[idle hedge]

didn't somebody have some major issues with them trying to refuse to cancel an order that hadn't yet shipped or something like that?

[subtle raptor]

Me, lol

[idle hedge]

thought I remembered something like that

[weak marsh]

holy shit

40 is a nice price

[bleak olive]

i'd get one for $40

[idle hedge]

I'd think mid to high 40's would be most likely, people will prefer one design or the other of the two, so similar pricing despite lower power wouldn't tend to put people off

[tacit light]

What do you think the real price will be?

[bleak olive]

🤷‍♂️

Joey's estimate of rsomewhere in the $40 range seems probably correct. I'd imagine miyoo would want to keep it competitive to the rg28xx

so <$50

[tacit light]

Fair

I am not using keep retro. If it was go gammer. I would bite. Got my MM+ from them. Price was only two dollars more.

[visual bloom]

even in Canada keepretro sometimes winds up cheaper than direct from anbernic

they seem to do a % markup vs anbernic list but then anbernic charges flat 12 USD shipping per item to canada

so lower end anbernic devices are cheaper through a reseller than direct for me

miyoo does free shipping to canada via aliexpress so I doubt keepretro will be able to compete on price for the a30 though

[silent breach]

The d-pad seems bigger too

[visual bloom]

Yeah I think miyoo is just reusing the mini dpad here

While anbernic made something new smaller than the 35xx but bigger than the nano

[tacit light]

This would be great if it had h700 in it.

[visual bloom]

Oh yeah if you could combine the best bits of this with the best bits of the 28xx it would be dope

Wifi, bigger buttons, modern chip, bigger battery, headphone jack… alas, our world is imperfect and there is no benevolent handheld deity just the flawed designs of mortal men

[frosty crescent]

That's for the 28xx+. Minus L2 R2

[visual bloom]

28xxV could be cute

One hand psx rpg machine with fast forward and readable text

[keen juniper]

yeah im honestly surprised anbernic didnt do a 280v refresh after miyoo mini blew up

[tacit light]

So the miyoo mini?

[visual bloom]

Yeah but maybe a bit more durable, better SoC, better shoulder buttons, hopefully wifi but who knows

Hell do it in metal and kill the pixel too lol

Basically a nano pro

[tacit light]

the mini works for me.

[visual bloom]

I don’t love the fast forward performance on the mini/Mm+ for psx/gba

Or the lack of shaders

[strong shore]

PLEASE

JUST GIVE ME A FUCKING 2.8 INCH SCREEN THATS ACTUALLY VIEWABLE OUTDOORS I BEG OF EVERYONE

FOR THE BETTERMENT OF SOCIETY

[sly cairn]

Sure

Make one

[strong shore]

gimme 5 mil dollars and ill make a company

[hallow stump]

If anyone actually made a perfect retro handheld, it would just instantly sublime, Culture Mind style

[strong shore]

honestly if i made a handheld

[keen juniper]

get a playdate 😉

[strong shore]

i'd actually make software for building games first like a pico-8 and you can port it onto the handheld

but its linux so you can use it for emulation

and it'll be kinda like miyoo mini size but with better shoulder buttons and durability

with an actually bright screen

and with proper suspend features built-in without custom OS with an easy cloud save system that is compatible with android/pc very well

[sly cairn]

Sending cash over now

CASH

[prime osprey]

I REALLY wish there were an actual CRT that fits in one of these consoles. The mold of an old camcorder CRT that achieves color with beam index and good magnified view with a mighty lens

Apparently Miyoo test-shipped about several hundred units and a proper production batch will come late May, but that's speculation on their part

[storm lava]

late May would be a pretty big miss for Miyoo with the rg28xx going on sale this week

[muted latch]

It's already reaching reviewers' hands so I doubt we'll be waiting too long.

[silent breach]

Did they seriously have to release right next to each other? What a blunder

You would think one of them would be smart enough to release a couple weeks before the other one

[eager light]

Why wouldn't they release next to each other

Gotta keep the attention on yourself

[muted latch]

Anbernic releases something every 3 weeks, it's impossible to avoid releasing close to them.

[silent breach]

Yeah but it's the same exact kind of device

Also whoever was saying this device can't play N64 very well and thus didn't need a stick

https://youtu.be/uee_iO8cQKw

Seems to be running Mario 64 and Kirby very well

I bet it'll play ocarina of time just fine

Just avoid the harder to run games

The A30 also has membrane shoulder buttons which is a plus in my book, the Anbernic has loud and annoying clicky buttons

That feel cheap

[drowsy lagoon]

Wait and see @jolly marten review today. Provided his claims, his conclusions about N64/DC will probably be more balanced.

That beeing said, if you want a retrogame machine with mostly 2D games, the A30 can probably serve well and the stick can be very convenient in RPGs or shoot'em up for instance.

What bothers me most is the durability of the screen for a pocket machine (no screen protector will fit) and the controls issues with Tate arcade games (how am I supposed to grip the console for that)

There is also the firmware issue. The Miyoo will probably not have more than MinUI and OnionOS, which significantly lag behind RG28XX alternatives such a MuOS and Barocera.

[torpid coral]

https://x.com/forthenextlive/status/1783409034177200226

forthenext (@forthenextlive) on X

Miyoo Mini A30 is available for preorder for $49.33: https://t.co/PeZmpgIWXw

Twitter · Apr 25, 2024, 8:13 AM

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/1005006875107810.html

[fading topaz]

seems to be region restricted, doesnt work for me

[silent breach]

All right bros what color are we going

It's a hard choice between black white and red gold

I think I'm leaning black white though

[weary nacelle]

Got mine

[US]

[torpid coral]

how much was your shipping?

[weary nacelle]

Free

[torpid coral]

I got coins discount too

not bad

[weary nacelle]

Good lookin out @torpid coral , appreciate the post! Yah I got like $2.50 off in coins & another $3 off coupon