Miyoo A30 (aka horizontal Miyoo, Miyoo Mini 2, Miyoo 282)

[idle hedge]

You could have it as S tier is A tier plus upscaling (and/or higher framerates where that works), dropping down tiers as more stuff is needed to be playable

[spark bramble]

S = everything from A but can upscale

A = full speed, full resolution. No major graphical glitches, slowdowns, or crashes

B = full resolution and speed with minor frame skip (1-2 frames). No major graphical glitches, slowdown, or crashes

C = runs at least 75 % full speed at full resolution. Some graphical glitches that don’t affect gameplay, with occasional slowdown no more than once every 5 mins. Infrequent crashes (once per day at most)

This is just a model but the idea is it’s pretty easy to come up with and would help inform buyers. 😉

[empty osprey]

But where should the boundaries be? should those boundaries be tied to the system (like Saturn where performance is VERY variable having larger intervals between grades)

By boundaries I mean % of games on a system playable

[weak marsh]

I don't think the charts count res, it's full res for all

[spark bramble]

Great point. I think there could be a different grade for “easy” “medium” and “hard” games to emulate.

IE GCN f-zero would be hard, Wind Waker would be easy.

[weak marsh]

nvm I'm misreading your post lol

though I agree with that model

[idle hedge]

Yeah, you'd need to consider that factor too, a device would have to handle a certain percentage at a level, say over 95% for +, 80% for regular and below 70% for a minus, below that it drops a tier

Does anyone else find themselves getting a little obsessed with any new hobbies, a spreadsheet or text file often seems to creep in for me.

[empty osprey]

Spreadsheets are just a really good way of organizing info/data, your habit makes sense since a new hobby would require a lot of new info to keep track of

[tender lichen]

when about N64 on Android RK3566? maybe thats why its B on this sheet

[mystic geode]

even if the performance info isn't up to snuff, you should know that the spreadsheet isn't just for that. at least appreciate it for the continued effort put into gathering just about all the info you would need to know about a handheld for just about every retro handheld ever made

[tender lichen]

I would say grades should be:
A - literally every single game released on a system plays at rock solid 60/30/whatever frames per second without having to deal with emulation settings or frameskip
B - some few games (up to 10% of a library) require frameskip or alternate core, but still can play fine-ish, framedrops are not severe
C - significant potion of a library is slow, most games require frameksip or faster cores, some few games are unplayable regardless
D - only a few select 2D games are at playable speed, rest arent botting past menu or run at 5 fps
F - no emulator, no support, every game unplayably slow

[weak marsh]

the spreadsheet is cool because legit it's a pain to look up discontinued products with pages that don't even exist

how many times have I wanted to know the specs of the RP1 and I legit can't find it but the spreadsheet has it

[visual bloom]

By that system literally nothing would have an A for ps2 or gamecube because of a couple outlier games that just don’t run well in the emulator regardless of chip

Hell they’d all be C at best

[weak marsh]

by that logic, no modern console would have A on devices too

[empty osprey]

Yeah, Star Wars: Clone Wars is a real outlier for GC performance

[visual bloom]

Ditto dirge of Cerberus for ps2

[weak marsh]

that n64 star wars game chugs on higher end devices somehow

squadrons?

[empty osprey]

Star Wars: Rogue Squadron?

[idle hedge]

It just needs a slight modifier, including up to the limits of the emulator while also including a 5% margin to account for the problem children like rogue squadron

[tender lichen]

well, B on x86_64

even B+

[idle hedge]

Yeah, I think the spreadsheets in general are great, both for that sort of info and the game-specific stuff, it's just a shame that many seem to ignore all that useful stuff and focus on the tldr element of that one table.

[tacit light]

Most handhelds wouldn't hit A for PSX games

[visual bloom]

You’d need a gaming PC for any 3D system

[keen juniper]

yeah i mean theres multiple systems where the emulation fundamentally isnt good enough to do all games perfectly

[vague merlin]

The problem with those ratings is that realistically no one will test entire libraries every time

So basically three ratings are useful IMO

• runs everything (and yeah, not possible for PS2 and some other consoles)
• consider this a bonus (e.g. don't buy this handheld if console X is a priority, you'll be disappointed)
• does not run at all

Basically the reason why I'm not in a rush to buy a handheld for PS2 — even the best ones currently fall into the second category

[visual bloom]

yeah I think the odin 2 has unfortunately convinced me that x86 is where it's at for 3d systems

I'll probably sell it at some point

[tender lichen]

are there some ps1 games that pcsx rearmed, on say, RG353, fails at emulating?

i know its not the pixel perfect accurate, but still

[jade hollow]

In my mind 3556 is plenty for psx including heavy stuff like Bloody Roar 2

[tender lichen]

yeah, so idk why should it be below A

its not like saturn where you have crap like yabause/sanshiro/wtf is it called tha can run many games on slower hardware but with a lot of glitches; for perfec Saturn you need beefy PC and Mednafen

[visual bloom]

well, you could argue using pcsx rearmed or even duckstation/swanstation is itself a hack/tweak vs using the more accurate beetlepsx

[keen juniper]

yeah this. same for snes and using snes9x instead of ares

[tender lichen]

well the differences arent substantial

at least compared to supafaust/old snes9x cores from 2000s vs modern snes9x

[tender lichen]

is beetle PSX available for ARM retroarch?

Beetle PSX (HW) currently runs on Linux, OSX and Windows.

oh

[rotund gulch]

rogue squadron had a win9x release, could always just play that

[idle hedge]

true, but it is not the only problem child on older consoles so any rating should make some allowances for the ones like that.

[rotund gulch]

yeah even x86 had PS2 problem children until a few years ago, I remember trying to play PS2 Berserk and the menu elements were permanently broken

I think the real issue is that ARM Linux/Android doesn't have the software to take advantage of the hardware, but with these devices it doesn't really matter
I mean there's not a lot of Android native games taking advantage of what even the Gen 1 chips can do tbf

[uneven hinge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oe4fS4ovYs someone posted this on youtube

[empty osprey]

Their splash screen on the MM is good

[ocean night]

he's definitely not having problems getting that SD card out

[prime osprey]

I might want to change some stuff about the current layout
Like moving the function button to the front?

Also if I'm guessing right they're putting their OS in an internal flash chip again

I always feel iffy about that - especially since you can replace a bad stock SD card, but can't replace a bad stock flash chip, but then again it might actually be good

[merry pewter]

It's Miyoo's old YouTube channel 😛

[silent breach]

Bruh those nails...

Long nails bother me so much, I can't even watch that

[haughty crater]

That micro sd card slot is weirdly close the the display, looks good though, hopefully the price ends up being reasonable.

[alpine harbor]

I couldn't agree more

[spark bramble]

For people with a V4, what are your thoughts on the screen? I remember one or two YT reviewers mentioning its dimmer than the V2/3 screens.

[rotund gulch]

I think the V4 screen is fantastic

But I haven't really used any of my four Minis since I picked up a Trimui Smart or even the GKD Mini (the shoulders stink and the Smart won't break)

[strong shore]

I thought it was other way around

V4 was scaled weirdly but it had better brightness

I’m curious on how bright the og miyoo mini screens are because mm+ screens do not get very bright compared to the rp2s

It’s also just a straight up worse screen but regardless

[rotund gulch]

rp2s is also twice the price tbf

[rotund gulch]

the v4 screen is 720x480 which is perfect for GBA scaling

[spark bramble]

Im pretty sure the V4 is 750 x 560

https://www.patreon.com/posts/new-miyoo-mini-89203236

Not that it’s super noticeable on a 2.8 inch screen to me. Solid brightness, saturation & color accuracy are generally what I look for in a screen

[rotund gulch]

Oh that's what my debug HUD says in MinUI

Is 720x480

[torpid coral]

CUT YOUR NAILS

[uneven hinge]

yo im a dude that is a girl lol

[muted latch]

If the nails are clean, and these ones are. Then wtf is even your problem. Get a life lol.

[prime osprey]

No, we will NEVER condone the mere existence of nails that protrude out of the range of the finger's skin! Whoever plans their manicure this way is a sinful slut who doesn't deserve to have any privilege with the beauty of life, which, as we all know, is only granted to those people when we random strangers judge them and deem their appearance flawless!

[alpine elm]

lol

[valid prism]

It's bringing me some joy to see people have a small mental breakdown as they realize that people maintain their nails differently

[tacit light]

Who’s breaking down?

[rapid terrace]

It's what we're all here for 😂

[storm lava]

wait, PPSSPP is in there? why the heck would they put that in there if it's the same chip as the mm

[astral wigeon]

Different chip, a33 iirc

[storm lava]

ah

but that's still a weak ass chip, no? don't think it can do PSP

[tender lichen]

It should struggle badly

It's worse than rk3326

[storm lava]

so either miyoo is drunk

or we are missing something here

why bother compiling ppsspp for the thing if it's not gonna be able to handle it

[visual bloom]

some PSP games are actually dead easy to run

locoroco, patapon, etc

not everyone is using PSP for widescreen god of war

[keen juniper]

its not a great chip for psp but yeah easy games will be playable. theres a lot of like, visual novels and shit on psp lol. plus locoroco, patapon, lumines and stuf fyeah

[rotund gulch]

Why anything

[cinder hearth]

Just let them provide us with options. If you don't want it, just ignore it and leave it for those who care.

[alpine harbor]

There are lots of good RPGs for PSP that aren't demanding at all as well

[alpine harbor]

Right. Sometimes it seems like people think God of war was the only game series on the psp 😬

[visual bloom]

Unfortunately my favourite psp series (metal gear ac!d) the first one will run on a potato and the second one for whatever reason basically requires a t610 or better

[alpine harbor]

I feel you there. Great game series. Luckily I mainly stick to RPGs for these types of handhelds so they work great for my use.

[visual bloom]

Yeah disgaea for psp could sink 1000 hours of your time alone and runs fine on a 3566 at least

Haven’t tested it on anything weaker

[keen juniper]

yeah and those are the type of games where frameskip isnt really a big deal if u do need it

[visual bloom]

True. Unfortunately metal gear ac!d 2 just grinds to a 1fps stuttery halt on 3566

[rotund gulch]

Could this do Moonlight? 640*480, time for 2.8 inch GameCube

[visual bloom]

elden ring

[azure pendant]

I don't get why there's an analog stick for an a33, tbh

[idle hedge]

space on the front, fine for arcade games or hotkeys

[keen juniper]

there's enough n64/dc games and ps1 games that benefit from a stick playable on this that one stick makes sense to me but idk ive never been one to dislike sticks on handhelds

[red otter]

I ❤️ psp homebrew

Psp is probably my minimum for an emulator handheld

Anything before that my new 3ds can run fine (I dont play dreamcast)

[rotund gulch]

The 3DS slider was designed by Satan himself

Hello thumb cramp

[red otter]

C stick is the only thing annoys me

[lunar hemlock]

ps vita homebrew >>>>>

because you can literally emulate psp homebrew on a ps vita lol

[prime osprey]

At least with the New 3DS I found a decent permanent fix
To hell with the rubber cap on top of it

[worldly crow]

what was the fix?

[north lynx]

https://youtu.be/4oe4fS4ovYs?si=LcqGDwcq4ZWU732o

[tacit light]

#1123549937553121303 message

[torpid hound]

how does A33 compare against the mini's processor? For example, pokemon unbound has slowdowns and audio stutters even on gpsp on the mini. can a33 power through it? what about the single analog stick consoles like n64 and dreamcast?

[jade hollow]

I wouldn't count on it. They're both ARM A7 cores but the A33 is a quad core vs the dual core in the Sigmastar in the MM

The A33 is weaker than the RK3226

[supple summit]

We'll probably get much better PSX performance and a handful of N64 with LOTS of fiddling

[jade hollow]

Any confirmation on the A33 clock speed? I think it's 1.2GHz just like the Sigmastar SSD202D in the MM so might not even get a single core performance boost

[supple summit]

sad to think that the 3326 is still kinda relevant in performance

[ocean night]

looks like 1.5Ghz. Believe this CPU was used in the PocketGo S30 so that'd be a good indicator of what we can expect as far as performance. At the very least, over the SSD202d, this has a GPU so we can do basic GPU functions

and external DDR3/3L ram, so should be a lot more there too

[keen juniper]

i have a pocketgo s30 if anyone wants me to test a specific game

[torpid hound]

sigh

[tacit light]

the A33 is less powerful than the ARC

[supple summit]

people thought the 3566 is underpowered for the ARC?

[amber pulsar]

There was a surprising amount of dreamcast games which ran good on rg351. Two examples - which were also great games in its genre - were Ready2 Rumble Boxing and Sturmwind. It would interest me a lot how they run on pocketgo s30 (and so myioo a30). If they run good, I‘ll buy the latter.😉

[silent breach]

It can't run Saturn very well

We all know they did it just so they can sell a different device later with a better chip

[raw sluice]

Disgaea PSP? Interested in how smooth some of the RPGs are

[keen juniper]

I'm not sure I even have PSP set up lol but I think it's doable? Firmware situation isn't great lol. But yeah I'll try later today

[vague merlin]

Yeah, main criticism was that it looks like a Saturn controller but can‘t play Saturn games well

[keen juniper]

it would have been like at least $50 more if it did play saturn well (assuming like t618 which even then isnt perfect for saturn) and i dont really think that matters for most people. i think 3566 made sense for what they were going for. its got enough power to run the arcade versions of a lot of stuff that got ported to saturn

[tacit light]

It is such a hollow feeling handheld the ARC.

[vague merlin]

Yeah, T618 is definitely not enough for Saturn — a lot of the problems I had need Beetle to be fixed, and even T820 is not enough for that

Well, probably enough for most 2D games, but not the entire library

I also realise Arc with a proper chip would scare off a lot of people with its price, but man would I love that

[keen juniper]

yeah i mean i would love that lol. but people would be like "where are the analog sticks"

but yeah i think a lot of the appeal of the saturn was arcade ports and a lot of those games will run great in fbneo or mame on the arc. they called it the arc for a reason tbh. i think the intention was more that it would be great for arcade stuff

[vague merlin]

There are some cases where I‘d love a stick (Dreamcast, mostly), just can‘t imagine how you can add one without making the device worse

[keen juniper]

yeah. cuz the d-pad is so big

[jade hollow]

I doubt that called it the Arc to indicate it's good at arcade

[keen juniper]

...what reason do u think it was then lmao

[jade hollow]

The real reason I don't think they made it as an Arcade specialist is the lack of analog stick

[idle hedge]

I think it was probably more likely that they weren't sure that some of the more niche elements would attract an audience if it had been a $120+ device, at $70 or so people would be more willing to get it on an impulse

[keen juniper]

...how many arcade games have analog sticks lol

[idle hedge]

It'd need some tweaking to the design to make room for sticks, a ps-style of stick position and switch to downward-firing speakers perhaps

[keen juniper]

arcade sticks are digital, they used a sega d-pad cuz thats better for things like fighting games than a nintendo style dpad is. slim format fighting game controllers usually use that style of dpad too

[torpid hound]

maybe a n3ds style c-stick where the select button is, and put select and start together on the right.

[azure pendant]

I wish this one had a g99

That way the single stick makes sense

[keen juniper]

u are coming from a veteran perspective and not a "this is my first handheld" perspective lol. lots of ps1 is better with one stick and this can probably run sm64 and some other easier n64 games. and if somebody is buying their first handheld being able to play those games properly is a big win

also there is no way a g99 fits in a shell this small lol

[visual bloom]

analog sticks are not good for replicating digital arcade sticks

sega dpad or neogeo mini stick are basically your best bets for a portable arcade stick experience

[prime osprey]

I already said it - to hell with the rubber cap on top of it

[vague merlin]

My first thought was like "oh no, don't touch my front-facing speakers, I love those"

But then I remember we're talking about a SoC that should be better than RK3566. If it finally handles BT audio well, I wouldn't care about speakers too much

With the current Arc BT audio is really such a gamble, unfortunately

It worked for me a few times, then just stopped, and I couldn't connect anymore

But I figure if Arc gets a SoC that was used in a phone before, maybe this would be less of an issue

[idle hedge]

equally downward-firing shouldn't be too bad either if placed properly and depending on how you are holding the arc now you could obstruct the front facing speakers in any case

[vague merlin]

Tbh most of the time I play Arc on a couch or in bed, with the device itself on my chest

So I never cover the speakers as is, but if they were on the bottom, I would have a bit of an issue

But yeah, this is really more of a personal thing and probably depends on one's eyesight more than anything

[sly stone]

Alexis Créteur, Onion OS team Lead, received a Miyoo A30 and it’s looking good! Slightly more powerful than it’s predecessor we could expect some N64 emulation. There seems to be some work to do to port Onion on it but seems very possible! And Miyoo sending them one for free is a very good sign of good relationship 🙂 https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1KAidJpcaUmzT9fS/?mibextid=WC7FNe

[idle hedge]

A very good sign of miyoo not being complete morons too. 😄

onionos must have sold so many device for them

[sly stone]

Yeah, this is just common sense, but so many companies are making dumb corporate decisions those days lol (looking at you Nintendo or Anbernic)

[merry dove]

We can't see the content at that link, could you maybe forward it here, please?

[idle hedge]

Anbernic did recognise this as a sensible move, gamma has been sent some devices and the garlic guys, it is just a shame the latter hasn't resulted in anything due to various reasons

Iirc, the main garlic guy admitted that there was a 35xx+ in the pic announcing 2.x as he'd been sent some by anbernic

[sly stone]

Content of Alexis Créteur's post:

Here comes a new challenger !
I present you the new Miyoo A30 ! The picture speaks for itself: once again, I think it's a real aesthetic success! Miyoo clearly demonstrates its leadership in terms of design.
To be honest I wasn't really waiting for an horizontal device and finally I really love it. After few days with it I would consider it as an Horizontal version of the Miyoo Mini. But with some nice new additions : it includes wifi, a stick (the same as the Switch which is a very good idea), a USB host. There is new processor, don't expect a monster of power, it's comparable to our Miyoo Mini but the additional ram and the GPU will allow us to make some new things possible (Reotrarch Ozone menu, new ports, new emulators, probably N64 and stuffs like that). It's very light and compact, the screen has the same size as the Miyoo Mini, it seems very nice.
I know what will the next question 😄 so let's anticipate : right now I'm waiting for the whole team to receive their copy, then we'll discuss the possibility of porting Onion to it. With a different processor, a 90° rotated screen and the little other hardware differences, there's a lot of work ahead to port Onion to it.
This new device should be available on the official store this month if everything goes right.
In all cases this compact horizontal device will probably easily find its place in the community !

[merry dove]

Great, thanks for forwarding this. Did they post any new videos, too?

[sly stone]

Not that I know of. There is one posted yesterday by PandaMini, did you see it?

[silent breach]

I'm going to call this the Miyoo Mini H

Because it's a better name than A30

[sly stone]

Can't argue against that

[keen juniper]

nah i can, its a different device with a different chip it should have a different name

[sly stone]

A30 is a dumb name though, it doesn't say much about the device and it's relation to others Miyoo's devices

[keen juniper]

sure. but miyoo mini h would make people think they can just run current Onion on it, and that its the same weaker hardware as the regular miyoo mini.

we already get a lot of people asking why garlic doesnt run on the 35xx h lol

[fading topaz]

not mention the retarded 35xx 2024 edition lol

[vague merlin]

Someone called it "rg35xx plus minus", and I really like that lol

[supple summit]

RG35XX<

[torpid hound]

Is the reset button on the top or something? damn it's gonna be annoying to activate the reset+start/select actions

wish they could fit it between the dpad and the stick next to the screen

[muted latch]

I like the button being away of my dpad

If the stick has L3, that could be a good menu button

[hallow stump]

it's likely just a switch joycon stick clone, so it probably has L3

[storm lava]

Hey, this is very cool, I wasn't expecting Miyoo to be in contact with onion os devs at all

good on them for sending early units to devs, makes me optimistic about this device

[worldly crow]

I think it's on the right side like the 351p

[hallow stump]

Looking at Panda Mimi's video, home on top, power on the right side

[coarse badge]

Anyone else watch the Panda video and furiously crane your neck trying to see what the back of the device looks like?

[uneven hinge]

my God the miyoo a30 is going to be really uncomfortable for long usage isnt it

[alpine harbor]

Less uncomfortable than the verticals...

[hallow stump]

3d printers comfort grips should help a lot more than they do on verticals too

[supple summit]

Can confirm

[prime osprey]

We shouldn't need to make these should we? This should be taken care of by the factory shouldn't it?

[red otter]

Any device that needs a grip to be comfortable is a no go for me

[supple summit]

the use of grips is more for people wanting to comfortably play for extended periods of time

[tacit light]

Miyoo hurry the F up. Before I just give all my money to anbernic

[hallow stump]

100% agree here, and I don’t use them, but for the people that do, they will be more effective.

Controllers are generally wider than taller, see why joycons even on the grips don’t feel as good as something like the pro controller

The A30 will probably be more comfy than the mini just by not making people have to jam or interlace their fingers together, to say nothing of actually using the triggers.

Plus the curved/rounded edges should help a lot

[idle hedge]

weirdly, I think I might find the mini more comfortable the the mm+, it is small enough that I cannot hold it regularly, whereas with the mm+ I automatically try to and thus it feels worse than the slightly taller 35xx

[sly cairn]

Need this to release asap

Any more details?

[sly cairn]

I found the 280m to be solidly comfy, almost the same form

Definitely better than small verts

[thorn pond]

I wish that stick was as close to the screen as start and select are. oh well

[storm lava]

can't be worse than the original Miyoo Mini

which was fine for what it was

didn't win any ergonomic awards but it wasn't painful to use for short sessions

at least for me, though I've never gotten the infamous hand cramps with bad ergo handhelds that many complain about

long sessions though, yeah, get something else lol

[rotund gulch]

Trimui Smart is about the same size and comfy as hell

[storm lava]

man if only they updated the model s

with a better chip and screen it'd be a killer handheld

[thorn pond]

I got worse cramps with the rp2+ than the mm+

h700 in a model s would kill

even just a 3326 tbh

[brave dock]

If this is the same size as the smart, it could be toppled as the best small handheld available.

[muted latch]

It's slightly larger than the smart but slightly thiner.

[hallow stump]

127.5 mm x 57 mm x 16 mm

put another way, slightly smaller than a rg280m

[keen juniper]

slightly larger than smart but wayyyy better screen/body

And a more powerful chip

[hallow stump]

Honestly if it just lost the stick, added a headphone jack there….

Still probably going for this over the 28XX though

[keen juniper]

Is 28xx the plus chip? That's a ton of power in a small form factor tbh tho I do like having one stick honestly

neither of these have good start/select but 28xx is better cuz both on left >>> both on right. Kinda makes more sense for 28xx to have the stick than this power wise lol

[alpine harbor]

I don't mind the single stick. It's got its uses. It's the double sticks on a tiny handheld that bug me haha

[hallow stump]

All signs point to 28XX using the plus chip (h700?)

[alpine harbor]

And the same os options I didn't like on the h. 😬

[keen juniper]

muos is gonna get there I think. They were putting the bones in before they focused on usability, they're gonna have better defaults and a new UI soon

I personally love it now but I get why some dont

[hallow stump]

MinUI works on it though I think?

Always solid unless you need to go past ps1

[idle hedge]

I like batocera on my xx h

[grand apex]

also like batocera

its what got me to get it

[keen juniper]

minui isn't for me

And IMO there's not much value in getting the plush over a miyoo mini plus if you're just gonna use minui

[rotund gulch]

Nah, my Miyoo Mini Plus has sound issues and the chip is weaker in the mini/plus to the point you won't get full performance even on MinUI systems

The 35xx plus doesn't have that issue

[alpine harbor]

I don't have sound issues on any of my miyoo devices, I own quite a few. 🤷🏻‍♂️ And the chip is good enough for everything I use it for.

[rotund gulch]

I've had sound crackle on 2/5 miyoo devices in SNES. Both firmwares. People talk about Garlic OS but the RG35XX original had a batocera port that ran portmaster games on it's GPU. You can do a lot more on those.

I mean, I like my Miyoo devices, but my plus was a bit of a bust

[visual bloom]

MM can’t quite do the full game library in mGBA you have to resort to the less accurate gpsp for harder titles. Even then you don’t get much fast forward on GBA

[vague merlin]

IIRC you actually need a pretty powerful SoC for some titles under mGBA

Like even RK3566 might need gbSP in some cases

[supple summit]

Mario golf in GBA can really be tough to run for SoCs which is kinda funny

(I love autocorrect)

[rotund gulch]

Couldn't you run a VBA core over running GPSP?

[thorn pond]

I think those are the heaviest to run

gpsp is the fastest that's why it gets used so much

[supple summit]

And it has the most accuracy issues iirc

[prime osprey]

What obvious issues did you encounter?

[storm lava]

https://steward-fu.github.io/website/handheld/miyoo_a30_spec.htm

https://steward-fu.github.io/website/handheld/miyoo_a30_screen.htm

here you go you beautiful bastards

more links for nerds here: https://www.reddit.com/r/miyooa30/comments/1c29084/stewardfus_a30_dedicated_page_including_specs/

[spark furnace]

Wifi 😬😬😬

https://tenor.com/view/james-mcavoy-sweating-fanning-yourself-cooling-off-sweat-meme-gif-25431489

[silent breach]

Thank God it has Wi-Fi

[muted latch]

Pico 8 splore probability going up

[storm lava]

but no headphone jack or bluetooth

[visual bloom]

Bt is whatever but no headphone jack is wild

[frosty crescent]

No way to get sound other then the speaker? Or usb-c adapter?

[visual bloom]

Usb C adapter should work

[frosty crescent]

Trimui smart has no jack but has BT

[frosty crescent]

Even with overclocking?

[supple summit]

I never mucked around with overclocking

[frosty crescent]

Would you say V Rally 3 (3d rally game) is among yhe heaviest to run?

(Gba of course)

[supple summit]

that's a game I've never tried

[fading topaz]

No, even shitty sf2000 can run it fullspeed with dynarec enabled gpsp

[supple summit]

but if it's anything like Hotwheels stunt track challenge, yeah it's a toughy

[tender lichen]

Doom 2 and Duken Nukem Advance

no contest

maybe also mario advanced golf or whatever that was called

[supple summit]

adding games to my download list for testing

[thorn pond]

duke runs a dynarec of it's own, so it's super hard to emulate

[tender lichen]

but these two... M17 failed against those two

dont bother playing them on anything below RK3326

[supple summit]

I'll run some quick tests on the JZ4770 to see how this runs em

[tender lichen]

4770 devices have this neatly optimized MIPS GBA emu called ReGBA that runs fantastic

so I think both will runs close to full speed

[fading topaz]

I think I had Duke running reasonably well on 280v, but I never tried Doom 2 on it.. rather the real deal

[supple summit]

using REGBA Duke runs just fine

none of the RA cores run nicely

Vrally 3 runs superb on GPSP with no slowdown at all

[tender lichen]

just fine = no slowdowns?

[supple summit]

my wording is never the best

[tender lichen]

if yes, RG350 master race keeps winning

[supple summit]

speed wise it runs flawlessly, but I have no clue if the accuracy is perfect because this is the first time I've played this game, I didn't notice any graphical glitches or sound issues

besides the rough sound of the GBA soundchip

[tender lichen]

tfw GBA had no soundchip lol

it was meh ass GB PSG + some FIFO buffers for crappy samples

[supple summit]

that'd explain how GBA always sounded so weird

[muted latch]

my solution is to not play Mario Golf

[supple summit]

how dare

[muted latch]

but if I wanted to, I would play it on my GBA

[tender lichen]

that CPU had to push into said buffers, and since CPu has more important things to do, it sounds like ass

[supple summit]

sad

at least the Minish cap and all the Camelot games had good music even with that rough chip situation

[tender lichen]

DS at least had some decent, dedicated sound source, still prehistoric compared to PSP

and yeah, minish cap sounds amazing compared to some other GBA games

sonic advance 🤮

[supple summit]

my nostalgia for Sonic Advance will still hold it in high regard

[tender lichen]

good games, but I can only play it muted

[supple summit]

they were my first Sonic games so I can enjoy them at any time

[tender lichen]

my first were Mega Drive games, and even them sound better (while still nowhere near MD's sound source limits)

[north lynx]

grrrr why RAM 512MB ....

[supple summit]

Doom 2 needs REGBA to get rock solid performance

[tender lichen]

now sad thing is REGBA is only on JZ47x0 devices ;_;

[supple summit]

sadge

[tender lichen]

on ARM, gPSP is the only option

[supple summit]

if the A30 is using a more powerful chip by even 15% it should run just fine

using my 280V even just for testing, gods I love how it feels

[tender lichen]

i always thought 280v looks weird and clunky

[supple summit]

for sure

but the face buttons and Dpad are PEAK

[tender lichen]

better than miyoo mini?

[supple summit]

BY MILES

[tender lichen]

god I miss that dingus

oof

[supple summit]

the MM dpad is ass IMO

idk about the MM+ tho

[tender lichen]

MM wasnt so bad, R36S is legendary for its ass suckage

yet i still enjoy it (a bit)

[supple summit]

the MM is way too soft for me

if I were to main the MM for an extended period of time I'd want to replace the membrane with a firmer one

[tender lichen]

only prob is 280V is too expensive for what it is, for its price you can get RG35XX+

[supple summit]

I got mine I think towards the tali end of 2022

[tender lichen]

and if 35xx is anything to go by, 35xx+ shouldnt be far behind 280v dpad wise

[supple summit]

the 280V dpad is just a perfect membrane dpad for me

then for clicky dpads retroid has my favorite

[tender lichen]

oh, RP2+ had very decent dpad

but face buttons... oof

[supple summit]

the dpad on the RP2+ I had just refused to breakl in and it was always super firm

[prime zenith]

Anyone else just noticing they put the select button above start? That’s… a choice

[fading topaz]

Depends, my 280v has terrible false diagonals

[visual bloom]

I wish retroid would make a small pocketable thing

they have the right parts - the vita dpad, the flip sliders

just need to stop throwing analog shoulders and widescreens on everything

even the t610 seems to be a part nobody else has access to

[storm lava]

bt would make sense if it supported audio as a replacement for the headphone jack, but alas

[supple summit]

nah just give me a headphone jack

[visual bloom]

yeah zero interest in BT audio here

conversely bluetooth is the only way I would ever use a different controller with one of these hooked up to a TV

[supple summit]

depending on the handheld I would maybe opt for using a 2.4ghz dongle

[keen juniper]

wait i didnt realise this doesnt have a headphone jack thats awful lol

[supple summit]

ewwwwwwwwww

[keen juniper]

i guess u can do audio over a usb dongle right? right?

if u cant then this is absolutely dead to me but even if u can that's kind of shit

[valid prism]

I bet you can't wait for the A30+ then, huh? I do wish it had an audio jack

[supple summit]

jokes on you, I wasn't wanting to buy this one at all

[valid prism]

🤷🏻‍♂️ I assumed since you were in the channel you were interested.

[supple summit]

nah I'm just hanging out here

[keen juniper]

i was thinking about it cuz i want something a little more durable than my regular miyoo mini thats still ultra small but probably leaning more toward trimui smart or 280v now. i was defending this chipset cuz i have a pocketgo s30 lol but no headphone jack is crazy

[supple summit]

the 280M would be good for that role

[keen juniper]

idk 280m didnt seem smaller enough compared to my 353m to be worth it

[supple summit]

that's fair, if I wanted that size and rough performance of handheld I'd just pocket my RGB10

[keen juniper]

yeah i mean i do pocket my 353m sometimes

[supple summit]

the RGB10 is just a smidge bigger than the 280M

[keen juniper]

yeah and 353m is just a smidge bigger than that i think

anbernic really trimmed the fat from their soapbar designs over time lol. 353m/35xxh are surprisingly slimmer than the older ones

[frosty crescent]

but you could stun someone with the rg353m

it's heavy...

[muted latch]

no one had a problem with the trimui smart's lack of headphone jack

if it has usb C audio I'll be ok with it as long as the rest of the device is good

[frosty crescent]

I do. I'd very much have liked it had one

[merry dove]

Wow, that's wild

[muted latch]

If it has usb type C audio it's still an improvement over the trimui smart.

[supple summit]

yes

[knotty coral]

I'm definitely interested to see how this will compare to the anbernic rg28xx

Seems like similar size but performance differences and a few hardware differences

[hallow stump]

I'll be honest, the majority of the time these days I either have a) no headphones on me at all or b) true wireless earbuds only. So headphone jack vs not doesn't end up being a huge factor for me

when I had to deal with a similar situation back with the iphone 8, I just had a few dongles and tried to make sure one stayed with the headphones, one in the work bag, etc

it's definitely a issue if you want headphone audio and need to charge at the same time though, then you're just screwed

[wanton skiff]

If I had to choose between wifi or a headphone jack, I'd definitely choose wifi.

[frosty crescent]

There are adapters with a jack and a usb-c if you were into that

[prime osprey]

https://steward-fu.github.io/website/handheld/miyoo_a30_teardown.htm
Steward Fu (handheld enthusiast, unofficial Miyoo dev)'s research of the new a30

Huh

[tender lichen]

based on OpenWrt? interesting

was A33 used in some router?

[prime osprey]

It's multimedia-capable so using it in a router seems a waste of money. TinaLinux seems to be a reference model

[rotund gulch]

iirc the software people for Miyoo and Trimui are the same, all the Trimui stuff runs on TinaLinux

[fading topaz]

its an alwinner distribution, so it makes sense.

[prime osprey]

What's the Miyoo Mini linux based on then... buildroot?

[supple summit]

I misread BuildRoot as Beetroot

[prime osprey]

I know someone has Beetabaga though. It should be a new CFW name if there ever were one

[supple summit]

I mean we have Garlic, Onion and Tomato, we just need a few more veggies and we'll have a banger soup OS

[wanton skiff]

I hope someone comes out with Eggplant OS if only for the memes.

[supple summit]

do we have PotatOS?

[prime osprey]

Mustard is taken (MuOS)

[supple summit]

DAMNIT

[keen juniper]

we briefly had pickleos

[idle hedge]

presumably eggplant os would only play certain roms?

[lilac schooner]

Where is the best way to find when this item will go on preorder / for sale etc-

[alpine harbor]

It'll be on aliexpress

[drowsy lagoon]

Does somebody know if the A30 will charge with a c2c cable, and at more than 1A ? That was really a quality of life improvement for the V4.

[idle hedge]

seems unlikely that they will regress compared to an existing model, but we can't be sure till they release the specs

[prime osprey]

Right now there's apparently audio out on the USB-C plug - no 3.5mm jack, and no bluetooth either

https://steward-fu.github.io/website/handheld/miyoo_a30_teardown.htm
Has the same charging circuitry as the MM+ with the AXP223 chip, so 2A should be supported

Just not sure if C2C is supported

Support for it apparently depends on a resistor between two wires or something yet a lot of models skimped out on that one resiistor

[lone solstice]

The mini v4 had it so the hope is they continue with that

But yeah, some people soldered in that resistor themselves I believe for the earlier mini revisions

[brave dock]

What’s the size difference between this and the rg28xx?

[wanton skiff]

They're basically the same size. They both have 2.8" 480p screens.

[thorn pond]

We don't know that they're 480p yet. A lot of speculation the 28xx won't be

[wanton skiff]

Good point. I guess it was only confirmed for the A30.

[brave dock]

I think I’ll get the A30. I think it looks better overall.

[keen juniper]

performance and probably also battery life gonna be better on the 28xx. both are a good upgrade in the limited space of sub 3.5 inch horizontals but 28xx is gonna be a real powerhouse for the size. i do like having the one stick tho

[brave dock]

Power doesn’t really matter in these small devices, only a monster would play anything higher than ps1 on this when other bigger more power devices exist.

[alpine harbor]

Plus I'm not having any confidence in anything software related on anbernic devices. I'll take the a30.

[wanton skiff]

I'm with you. The fact that the Onion devs already have the a30 makes an Onion port seem likely. At least the 28xx will probably get the same CFW options as the 35xx H since they use the same chip.

[alpine harbor]

And I got rid of my h because I wasn't a huge fan of my options. muOS was solid but not enough to keep it.

[brave dock]

Software is what gives me pause with anbernic unless it’s an android device.

[alpine harbor]

Honestly other than rocknix and gamma anbernic can sit in the trash. Imo.

Cause gamma kicks ass lol

[brave dock]

The 556 is awesome out of the box.

[alpine harbor]

I haven't used that one... Yet

[brave dock]

But it’s android and I just put emulation station on it.

[alpine harbor]

With having my Odin 556 didn't feel compelling to me

[brave dock]

Feels like a Linux device now

I had some Odin’s I find the 556 far better, but I love tweaking settings.

[alpine harbor]

I already know I'm buying the a30 and the flip from miyoo lol

[wanton skiff]

I've been impressed with Batocera and MuOS on my RG35xx and TheRA on my RG ARC, but each of those has only one person maintaining them since most dev won't touch Anbernic hardware.

[brave dock]

556 is so comfortable to use and the plastic is like silk, feels premium.

[brave dock]

For some reason I did not enjoy the ARC. Sold it straight away.

I think it was the buttons that turned me off.

[wanton skiff]

The buttons feel weird to me too since I never had a Genesis. I've basically made it my dedicated Sega + Arcade device. I just wish it had the power for Saturn emulation.

[rotund gulch]

After getting an Odin 2 I'm perfectly happy just chasing the perfect cheap/small device. Everything else is interesting but not really necessary

[brave dock]

I’m like that too but I sold my Odin’s when I got the 556

[rotund gulch]

See I'm wishing I sprigged for the pro instead of the base because randomizers for a certain game take up too much memory

[brave dock]

I always pay for the top models otherwise I want to buy it a week after receiving the base model.

[drowsy lagoon]

I'm not in the same boat. I have a RG35XX-H and a MM and to me, OnionOS as the only CWF option is a drawback on Miyoo low powered devices. I'm only playing 2D games and I dislike integer scaling. The lack of shaders in OnionOS forces to use filters (such as Normal-3x for the V4 screen) with bilinear filtering, with sub optimal results at a high computational cost preventing do play some CPS3 and demanding CPS2, and certainly not using Final Burn Neo. By contrast, every 2D game runs perfectly on H700 processors with either MuOS or Barocera, and with very good interpolation algorithms.

But if the A30 was just slightly more powerful and if Onion OS includes shaders, then I'd probably be in. Wait and see.

[visual bloom]

in the end the lack of shaders in onionOS isn't an OS thing - shaders are handled by retroarch not the firmware as long as a GPU is present and has a driver (on the OG 35xx there was a GPU but no driver available until some geniuses got the GPU working on koriki/batocera)

so if onion is able to come to this shaders should work, is I guess what I'm saying

[drowsy lagoon]

In my understanding, Onion OS is more like an UI and a RA wrapper than a proper OS anyway. But for sure, as it, you cannot configure a shader. There are also very lightweight interpolation shaders which don't require GPU.

[frosty crescent]

You have to keep in mind that the MM(+) have a very limited hardware. It's great at what it does and OnionOS frontend is great but it can't do more than what the hardware allows it to do...

and yeah, no shaders because no GPU as far as I understood

[sly stone]

The A30 will probably have the MM v3/4 screen, so 520p instead of 480p. We don't know yet for the RG28XX, but from the Anbernic videos it looks higher than 320p.

[prime osprey]

Can't even self-define a display resolution in RetroArch apparently

[prime osprey]

https://steward-fu.github.io/website/handheld/miyoo_a30_spec.htm
Fu says it's 640x480

[sly stone]

Wow, so they finally got a good batch of 2.8" 480p screens after the OG MM scarcity, good to know!

[sly stone]

Specs and case picture from Juntaro on Twitter: https://x.com/gameboyjuntaro/status/1779631605541453866

じゅんたろう (@GameboyJuntaro) on X

#MiyooA30 スペックがリークされました

Twitter · Apr 14, 2024, 10:03 PM

[viscid helm]

That spec sheet is missing something important

The release date 😢

[fading topaz]

A week before the flip

[rotund gulch]

I can't wait for the p60

[sly stone]

Yeah, and GoGameGeek who said the estimated release date was from April 15 to 29 deleted their tweet 🥲

[knotty coral]

Starting to wonder if the A30 will be capable of more than the MM+, CPU is quad core vs dual, 4x the ram as well. 🤔

[sly stone]

Why wouldn't it be more capable then?

[knotty coral]

I heard people saying it's the same chip as the mm+ so I assumed it would cap at PS1, but with stuff I'm reading, I see it's capable of some N64 and DC which could change my mind on whether I buy this or the RG28XX

Looks like it'll be closer to that of the pocketgo s30

[weak marsh]

not the same chip, we also have a GPU so we have shader capabilities

[knotty coral]

If it can handle a fair amount of DC and N64 games, I'll definitely consider it

[sly stone]

Yeah, even some Arcade and PS1 would benefit from the joystick

[knotty coral]

I had originally thought I'd pass on this since the RG28XX looked more powerful in the same size so, final specs and testing will determine which I buy now

[brave dock]

It really doesn’t matter about power when the console is so small. Just needs to play up to ps1 perfect. I think this might topple the Smart for the perfect small handheld with wifi.

[torpid coral]

I was told the A30 would come in April at the soonest

[muted latch]

well

It definitely won't come before April

[torpid coral]

I asked mid March

I'm gonna bother my man again

[weak marsh]

I'm just hyped for the shaders

MM+ not having them sucked

[drowsy lagoon]

It seems to add just the small bit of power lacking to the MM to get a "reference" 2D pocket emulation machine. Hoping that Onions OS enables shaders for good interpolation, with a 480p screen gor the one who like integer scaling, this could be a true "milestone" winner.

[torpid coral]

my man says next month "big shipment", officially on sale at the end of this month

this guy is a taobao reseller

[keen juniper]

yeah this should have shaders, the chp has a gpu. won't be able to do crazy ones lol but definitely some

[sly stone]

I like the look of the RG28XX gray/DMG color, but appart from that it's Miyoo A30 anyday of the week for me.

It looks soooo much better, the possibility of an Onion, the joystick will allow some N64 fun, and the dpad and buttons if same as the MM/MM+ will be on a league of their own 🤌

[thorn pond]

onion isn't the only cfw for miyoo and the lack of shaders is because the MM doesn't have a 3d accelerator

[keen juniper]

the hardware doesnt really run n64 great. some games playable but not nearly as many as on the 28xx. i have a pocketgo s30 which is the same chip, its not great

[bleak olive]

software is what's gonna make or break the fight between the A30 and the 28xx, like always

I do like the look of the A30 better

[empty anchor]

same

also whats that purple clear miyoo in the corner of that a30 shot

🤔

[drowsy lagoon]

The A33 used to cost $4 back in 2014, and was used to power 9" $30 tablets at that time. So don't expect much power out of it, and probably no N64 emulation power. But for 2D game emulations with good interpolation shaders such as bandlimit-pixel for instance, I'm sure it will be great. And hopefully even for CPS3 games with Final Burn Neo.

[bleak olive]

which picture?

[empty anchor]

miyoo mini plus?

[bleak olive]

that looks like a purple +

[empty anchor]

👍

was thrown off cause i didnt see screws but i think i see where the screws would go

[bleak olive]

it's the +

I like that swapping out the joystick seems easy

[empty anchor]

oh?

guessing switch style?

[bleak olive]

yeah

but there's no pcb or anything in the way

[empty anchor]

ah nice

[bleak olive]

just open it up, unplug the battery/ribbon cable

done

[drowsy lagoon]

There seems to be a flange around the screen. Do you believe that the regular 2.8" screen protectors will fit ?

[empty anchor]

do we have an idea on price?

[bleak olive]

based on previous comments here, about the same cost as a MM+

[empty anchor]

honestly if it wasnt for the flip probably coming soon.jpg

[bleak olive]

but i just walked in so I could be talking out of my ass

[empty anchor]

id grab this for that gba micro like feel

[bleak olive]

i find this to be more attractive than the flip. The one joystick makes more sense than two on an SP-style shell

[empty anchor]

tbh the clambernic having no analogs is my prefered lol

[knotty coral]

Same here, I want a GB Micro sized device that is fairly capable

I like the GB Micro I own but i want to be able to play more systems like when I had the original pocketgo

[empty anchor]

yea

honestly though for me for a device like this

.....i really dont care for the analog lol

as id probably just play GB/GBC/GBA

and whatever other "handhelds" it can play

[bleak olive]

depends on how much N64 it can feasibly do

[empty anchor]

except PSP... i still dont know why people are talking about PSP on it

[bleak olive]

like for a lil light ocarina and mario that seems nice

[empty anchor]

n64 id rather play on something bigger

[bleak olive]

but otherwise it would likely go unused

[empty anchor]

my rp3+ i love for PSP and such

[bleak olive]

i saw someone selling caps for the rgb30

basically removes the sticks altogether

[empty anchor]

odin 2 for the GC/Wii/PS2 etc

this id 100% would basically only play titles that would work with such a small screen

[bleak olive]

we might find out in a couple weeks

[empty anchor]

i have a rp2+ and honestly playing anything outside like.... gba and snes it felt too small

[bleak olive]

looks like this is right around the corner

[empty anchor]

and that had a 3.5" screen

i also have a game and watch which has a smaller screen

and that felt nice in terms of the games it came with ....so im going by that for this thing

[bleak olive]

this has quelled my desire for the 35xxH

it's super cheap right now but I can wait since this feels more like what I actually want

[empty anchor]

lol was going to look at retrosizer and see if they have a game and watch to scale

but they dont

[bleak olive]

retrosizer needs to be updated

[keen juniper]

definitely non-zero n64 but pretty basic. like a little less than what you'd get out of 3326

[thorn pond]

diddy kong racing should work

[bleak olive]

no headphone jack is a bit of a bummer

i wonder if the usb-c port supports audio output

[keen juniper]

it better lol. no headphone output at all would be so stupid

[bleak olive]

agreed

on a pocketable device is seems silly not to include it

[frosty crescent]

Yeah, well the TrimUI smart does not have one...

[keen juniper]

yeah its stupid on that too

[frosty crescent]

It sure is

At least it has bluetooth audio, which the A30 won't have

[storm lava]

sounds like we have confirmation that it is not coming in April

what do you wanna bet that we don't see this until the fall

[bleak olive]

depends on when anbernic releases the 28xx I bet

that and the fact that this seems to be complete tells me it's sooner rather than later. There's already cases and teardowns

that bodes well

[storm lava]

in theory, but Miyoo gonna be Miyoo

[bleak olive]

i know this one has been in development for a while but it does seem further along than things like the flip

[sly stone]

Since some devs have received some final units I would bet something like May

[torpid coral]

I was told by the taobao seller to expect it to be similar to the miyoo mini plus in price

[empty anchor]

nice

[young flame]

which works with stock, but unfortunately doesn't with some cfw.. And usb-c headphones don't work either..

[young flame]

I had, that's why I only bought 3. Was never fun of the yellow one.

[frosty crescent]

I know. I tested 3 adapters already and they did not work.
MinUI has no BT so no luck

[young flame]

It even shows 'headphones' icon for usb, but doesn't work, so I think they had intention of implementing the driver for it but left to work on Smart pro.. :/

[frosty crescent]

I don't know. 116a firmware changelog states they implemented it. I guess they did not debug. I sent an email to support. Not sure I will ever get an answer

[bleak olive]

there's a couple spanish speaking youtubers who got the A30

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FatfCC0A92k

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/A-PeOt7jkwI

looks like it comes with a A to C charger and a C to 3.5mm adapter maybe?

yep

if it's in people's hands then that's a great sign

[alpine elm]

not gonna like, i love the famicom faceplate

[bleak olive]

yeah i do like the red and gold

[raw sluice]

The design on this is top tier

Only complaint i have is i wish they got select on the left side, but with the size of the devices, i doubt that was feasible to do comfortably

[bleak olive]

maybe RH will be getting one soon if it's already starting to pop up

[raw sluice]

#🐓│rh-media-chat message

[bleak olive]

wishes do come true

maybe I will get one soon

[tacit light]

I got my years ago. Wait what?

[keen juniper]

miyoo made these too right? they were pocketgo and bittboy?

[tacit light]

I believe so.

There are off white ones that say miyoo on them also. I think @zealous vessel has one

[raw sluice]

It's confusing, I've heard that old Miyoo stuff isn't the same as the current company but I'm not sure

[tacit light]

Who knows for sure. I am just teasing. Kind of excited for the mini handheld and clam shells coming up.

[raw sluice]

Mini stuff is cool, I like having it horizontal. Might pick one up eventually. Clamshell is what I'm really waiting for though

[tacit light]

Here is one that says miyoo on it. #1118621144879206502 message

[raw sluice]

All these companies seem to be related anyways

[tacit light]

It makes sense because of the way the CCP makes everything be open. Why I always find it funny when people think China businesses practices are similar to western practices.

[raw sluice]

The only business understanding I have of this market is that at least some of these companies compete with each other and the competition is good for us

[tacit light]

Yep

[tacit light]

I think it’s more pride over profit for them. The sale numbers just help with the pride part

[spark bramble]

Love that select is above start and written on the shell. No chance of modding that. 😂

Even with that quirk it looks super cute

[bleak olive]

it's the same way in the A30

[knotty coral]

This was my favorite handheld for a few years

[low seal]

so can i assume this is about to get launched?

[tacit light]

It’s miyoo. We will never know until it does

[empty anchor]

miyoo really nailed it in terms of design

[low seal]

i see...

[bleak olive]

it's in people's hands now so it is coming out sooner rather than later. Date and price have not yet been announced tho

[tacit light]

Who has them? RH, RCG, Joey?

[keen juniper]

i feel like they screwd up pretty bad on this one by not releasing it like over a year ago. they had a horizontal that looked like this with these specs demo'd a pretty long time ago. and at that time there was no competition in this size but now i see the 28xx killing this

[bleak olive]

RH doesn't have theirs yet, or it's on the way but they said on the 10th they had one on the way. Some Spanish youtubers have theirs

[keen juniper]

its gonna need onion at least to save it

[low seal]

isn't the 35xxh a thing as well?

[bleak olive]

this is smaller than the 35xxh

but yes

[tacit light]

You know those videos are just repost of older videos?

[bleak olive]

they're not

they were posted today and are different that previous footage

i posted them up above

source: I speak spanish

[tacit light]

Yes they are. It’s just the same video with a Spanish voice over

[bleak olive]

they're two completely different videos

one of them has a mat branded for the channel it was posted in

[tacit light]

Well the top one is

[bleak olive]

you mean the one with the branded mat?

that's from the channel

that's in spanish

[tacit light]

No sorry that one looks real. The one with the green mat. Is the same. As posted before

[bleak olive]

it's also a new video

it's not just a spanish voiceover

he also says he'll have a full review in a couple of days

[tacit light]

Yeah I got that in the video. My, Spanish is ok.

[bleak olive]

green cutting mats are everywhere so I get the confusion

[tacit light]

Just saying until I see one from someone I trust. I still say we will never know for sure. Still lots of P60 videos out there and no P60

[bleak olive]

I mean, saying "my review will be out in a couple of days" and then not posting a review seems weird. Two youtubers posting today + RH saying they had one on the way means there's definitely units out there

[keen juniper]

miyoo has such a problem with actually releasing devices, i dont get it. if p60 and a30 both came out within a reasonable amount of time of their first teases/videos they could have done really well

[bleak olive]

all previous videos were quick showcases that didn't go over any details of anything included in the packaging like cables

[raw sluice]

This is a lot farther than the P60 at least

Those were only factory/insider videos

[bleak olive]

very true

seeing it in the wild makes it more exciting

[young flame]

Unfortunately to me this plate gives a strong Q20 cheapo vibe...

[bleak olive]

i tlooks like it might actually be brushed

at least on that gold

[pine depot]

I like the rg28xx better visually but this one has a stick

[keen juniper]

i wish the 28xx had a stick and this didnt tbh. 28xx has power more deserving of a stick (tho 1 stick for ps1 can be nice for sure)

there's definitely gonna be some playable n64 and dc games on this i guess but a lot less

[storm lava]

it's less powerful than a rk3326

you'll be able to play like, 2 lightweight N64 at best

not gonna make a difference that stick

[keen juniper]

better than that i think but yeah still not crazy

[alpine harbor]

That stick will be great, you really only need the 1 on weaker handhelds. Can use it for all sorts of system. Half the time I end up using the stick to move around over the dpad 🤷🏻‍♂️

Honestly if you're playing games that need 2 sticks you should probably be using a handheld with a lot more power lol

and a much larger screen

[keen juniper]

using stick over dpad for retro 2d games is insane im sorry. i cannot condone that

theres enough 3d ps1 games that sure its nice to have

but friends dont let friends use an analog stick for snes

[alpine harbor]

I mainly only play rpgs and I think all the older rpgs are turn based. movement doesn't bother me on a stick for those

I wouldn't player super mario world with a stick

[keen juniper]

idk i dont even like menuing on an analog stick lol

its not a dealbreaker but i would rather not

[alpine harbor]

I feel that. Sadly got used to it using handhelds that incorrectly placed the stick on top of the dpad. 😞

[weary nacelle]

I dunno, I'm a d-pad snob & even I find myself using the stick for movement in RPGs (when they support diagonal movement). It's a lot less fatiguing during longer sessions.

[muted latch]

There's a difference between comparing controls for a RPG and other games. When direction controls are used mostly for menus or overworld, sure, you can switch to a stick for comfort.

[tacit light]

I beat megaman 1-6 with a stick. It’s not that bad. Isn’t there a pro Street Fighter player that uses a analog stick?

[muted latch]

Lots of things can be done, it doesn't mean they should be done.

[sly stone]

You know those devices doesn’t release themselves by magic right? I doubt they wanted to take that long, but it shows they don’t want to release a flawed device 🤷‍♂️

Also I guess they don’t have the Anbernic and Powkiddy infrastructure, experience and suppliers yet

[drowsy lagoon]

Looking at the flange, the lack of black border arround the display area and the rounded corners, regular 2.8" screen protectors won't fit.

It may sound a small thing but to me, for a take-everywhere-in-any-pocket device, screen protectors matter.

Will Miyoo supply specialized screen protectors ?

[keen juniper]

i mean theyve been around for what, five years? you'd think theyd have these things sorted out

[modern terrace]

RETROVIDEOJUEGOSTV's A30 extended review (in Spanish):
https://youtu.be/7cXMzQyp5Hc

[mystic geode]

review? do they have one?

[bleak olive]

time to turn my brain into spanish

brb i'll watch this and maybe write down some key points

[modern terrace]

Yup, that guy and another one, also a Spanish youtuber, promised to release reviews about the A30

[bleak olive]

silent shoulder buttons apparently. Not clicky like some anbernic stuff

[mystic geode]

did he mention battery life?

[bleak olive]

haven't gotten to that yet

will let you know in about 5 mins

about the same d-pad as the mini. May be the exact same one

performance is not great on the higher end but that could be fixed with CFW

stock firmware is a bad barometer for that

there's no mention of battery life itself but it does have a 2600 mAh battery

[knotty coral]

I dont want to be a downer but based off the s30s performance, i wouldnt get hopes too high on performance on the higher end

[bleak olive]

i also don't realistically need something this small to run PSP

hardware itself seems solid tho. this and the rg28xx are gonna live or die by cfw

[drowsy lagoon]

Just watched with auto stranslation. As feared, the processor is terrible. The reviewer says nothing about shaders.

[bleak olive]

he also doesn't go into too much detail

not everyone is russ

he also says community efforts and fixes usually make these types of devices shine, which we all know. None of us are gonna run the stock software if there are better alternatives

[modern terrace]

I wasnt expecting too much from that guy. At least, people are getting the A30 to test and review it, unlike the P60. So, its a positive for me.

[bleak olive]

right

none of the reviews, even from the sources we're used to, are gonna tell us much about what this will turn into if onion or minui or whatever get ported over

whenever that is

[valid prism]

I guess I really just want SNES and GBA to run well for a device of this size

[bleak olive]

yeah that won't be an issue

he mentioned tekken 3 on the ps1 was running slowly but that could be a configuration thing with RA. Who knows

either way, gimme

happy to sit on some sub-par software until something better shows up

[valid prism]

I'm a little scared to buy it and find out that OnionUI isn't coming. Because what I really want is this device with onion

[merry dove]

Everybody loves Onion

[bleak olive]

there's a good chance it will

but if not onion, and I don't see why it wouldn't, MinUI or something else

i doubt it's gonna sit with no CFW at all

[valid prism]

Very very likely that it will get something.

[bleak olive]

i like both this and the anbernic. I just want something nice and compact

[visual bloom]

If you need onion to be glad you own it I would just wait for onion to come to it before buying it

Buying a later batch will potentially save you QC issues and maybe even a little money too

[valid prism]

Yeah. I will probably do that. It's been interesting to see the roller coaster of MM versions where some batches are worse, some are better, and it's kind of hard to know where it goes next

[bleak olive]

plus then there's custom buttons and whatnot

[valid prism]

I haven't yet gone in on the custom buttons. They're so expensive and I have trouble believing that they would feel much better

[knotty coral]

Based off the MM and MM+ I had, the buttons I bought did actually feel nicer, but I went for an American SNES style where 2 would be concave and the others were normal shape.

[bleak olive]

really depends on you. I have the SNES ones on my MM+ and i like the tactile difference btween the concave and convex buttons

[knotty coral]

They were matte texture too so my thumb didn't slip on them as much

[tender lichen]

I didn't understand a word of that, but it sure is a cool looking device and it was neat to see it in action! The A30's ability to play higher end PS1, GBA, and SNES SuperFX games seems a little dubious, but they definitely nailed it from an aesthetic standpoint. I'll probably go with the RG28XX instead just for the extra processing power to play those difficult to run PS1/GBA/SNES games, but the A30 sure is pretty!

[bleak olive]

he didn't say much

d-pad feels nice. Shoulder buttons are surprisingly quiet, easier to run systems run great but it struggles with some arcade and higher end things like PSP and some PS1

mainly because the default settings for the processor in the system are lower than they could be

he doesn't really go over much else

oh, speakers are good, can get decently high without distortion

that's pretty muh the long and short of it

[frosty crescent]

Which gba games are difficult to run?

[keen juniper]

v-rally 3 is one of the harder ones afaik

[tender lichen]

Duke Nukem Advance and some of the other FPS games for the GBA don't quite hit full speed.

On the Miyoo Mini Plus at least.

[frosty crescent]

I am playing V Rally 3 at 60fps without issues on my MM

No special tinkering involved

Or I can't see the issues if tgey exist

Duke Nukem yes it's less ideal for the 3 minutes of gameplay I put on it

But the gba isn't exactly made for these games in the first place?

[tender lichen]

I'm just a weirdo who loves all the janky GBA first-person shooters and played them more than any other games on my GBA growing up, so they're probably a lot more important to me than 99% of other retro handheld users would find them to be lol

Also really frustrated that pcsx-rearmed on OnionOS always freezes on the second level of my favorite PS1 game (the original Tomb Raider) but that's the only PS1 core that OnionOS can run full speed, so I'm just kinda out of luck when it comes to my favorite GBA and PS1 games on Miyoo devices. More processing power is needed lol

[frosty crescent]

It's not about you, it's about the technology of the gba which wasn't up to the task of 3D games. They were few and apart for a reason. The fact that V Rally runs as well is a performance in itself

[fading topaz]

well this cpu wont do exactly wonders with more demanding PS1 emulators

[knotty coral]

Plays well on here 🤪😅

[tender lichen]

On the flip side, the H700 in the RG35XX and now 28XX devices can handle everything I want to play, but they don't have any OS options nearly as nice as OnionOS so it's a difficult choice lol

[frosty crescent]

Eh. Can't have "the butter and the money from the butter" as we say in my country

This hobby is made of dire compromises

Or so it seems to me

[modern terrace]

TuberViejuner has published his review. Its way longer than the other one (and its in Spanish as well): https://youtu.be/e2QTQjpKKKk

[tender lichen]

That saying makes a lot more sense than the one we have over here, which is "You can't have your cake and eat it too" lol

[bleak olive]

i'll do the same thing and make notes of any points

[modern terrace]

Gracias amigo!

[knotty coral]

His review seems much more thorough

[bleak olive]

Interestingly he says he has an rg28xx on the way and anbernic is asking them to get a review out asap

[raw sluice]

Auto translate and watching it tells me Miyoo messed up the software on this pretty bad

Needs some love

[bleak olive]

Buttons on the a30 are smaller than on the mini

So current buttons will not work for anyone thinking of hardware mods

[prime zenith]

Apparently this is etymologically a corruption of “eat your cake and have it too” which does make a bit more sense

[bleak olive]

Looks like retroarch is set with overlays and filters and cat c on in most cases which doesn’t always work well

Seems like the RA setup is wonky which is leading to loss in performance

Hardware is good. Software is a mess. Pricing is somewhere between 35-55 euros

According to the video

The stock software on the original mini is also a mess so that checks out

The koriki folks are ready to start working on cfw for this according to him

No mention of battery life

[tender lichen]

I just realized that the Miyoo A30 has the same chipset and RAM as the PocketGo S30, so I'm not gonna expect much in terms of performance on this one.

[bleak olive]

If it can do ps1 in that size then thats most of what I’d want. Maybe some DS through onion eventually

But this is very much a supplemental device for me

[tender lichen]

On the plus side, that does mean that Russ's Simple30 custom firmware will probably work on the A30 with minor control mapping tweaks, since it's built for that chipset and RAM specs.

https://retrogamecorps.com/2021/02/13/introducing-simple30-an-optimized-pocketgo-s30-firmware/

[keen juniper]

probably not cuz the screen is different

there is a TheRA build for s30 tho so maybe they'll support this too

[prime zenith]

Thank you for posting these! Kinda disappointing to see the software issues, but hopefully CFW devs will come to the rescue. If they can squeeze a little more N64 out of this it might be worth picking up 👀

[bleak olive]

FWIW the software in the original mini and + was also kinda garbage so this is to be expected

I think most folks are very much waiting for onion or some alternative for this

Anbernic’s 28xx may be better out of the box software wise

Cfw will make or break both devices

[keen juniper]

stock on the 35xx+ isnt terrible. it's not good but its usable enough, and there's no reason it wouldn't be the same on 28xx. i imagine knulli and muos will support 28xx pretty quick too unless there's some issues with display drivers or something

[modern terrace]

Besides, one of the OnionOS devs has received an A30 as well. So, its going to be interesting to see they and the team behind Koriki pulling out something for it.

[bleak olive]

And surely MinUI

It won’t be great right away but maybe later

Gonna wait and see hardware review for the 28xx

[keen juniper]

on paper im 28xx all the way tbh unless they screw up something badly. i was on board with this closer to when it was first announced (and before i found out it has no headphone jack)

[tender lichen]

Same here, though I think they're both going to be really neat little budget friendly pocket pals with a lot of fun to offer. What I'd really like to see is OnionOS come to the 35XX/28XX series of handhelds, since you have so many different form factors to choose from (vertical , horizontal, micro horizontal, and soon clamshell) and they're all running the same chipset, but that's probably a bit of a pipe dream on my part. The hardware is great quality and you can get it in just about any form factor you like, all they're missing is that perfect OnionOS experience.

[knotty coral]

Based off other rg series devices, it may be garlicos that comes to it

[alpine harbor]

Yeah...like garlic on the plus and h? 😅

[knotty coral]

i havent personally tried it but it looks a lot like onionos

[alpine harbor]

Have you used garlic on the other 35xx?

It's a lot like that, not as good as onion, but worse. It was released Nov 14th and not a peep since. 🤷🏻‍♂️

At least not on his patreon page where he releases his builds.

[knotty coral]

ive only used onion for a short time on the mm

everything else i have or had was either older or runs android

[drowsy lagoon]

As OnionOS is nice and a good work (thanks to the devs), I honestly can't understand the hype about it. If you like to use metadata then Batocera runs circles arround it and if you like just a simple launcher (as OnionOS is), then MuOS is super efficient and flexible, easy to taylor to your needs. Did you seriously try both of them ?

[tender lichen]

I have not! I passed on Batocera because quick boot and quick shutdown times are important to me, and MuOS seemed too much like barebones Retroarch to capture my interest. What I do like however is MinUI! It's a little frustratingly limited on the number of systems it can play (I really wish Atari 2600 and Neo Geo paks were included) but I do enjoy how streamlined and stable it is and how quickly it boots up and powers off with the push of the power button. It's a really solid OS though, and I've enjoyed it on my RG35XX and RG35XX Plus. If it just had Atari and Neo Geo support I wouldn't even care about OnionOS.

[drowsy lagoon]

You should try MuOS. It's much better than you think, provided what you expect from an UI. And it runs everything in an optimized way.

[prime osprey]

And boots lightning fast

Just right now it has no quick shutdown. If that gets resolved, combined with the existing "Last played game" boot option and RetroArch's "last saved game" option, this can be tuned to be streamlined pickup-and-play experience

[prime osprey]

I guess once Knulli comes around esoteric device support and additional housecleaning from Batocera will probably be axed, and thus making it boot a bit quicker.

The biggest hurdle arguably is RetroArch itself, particularly the profiles for a bunch of preconfigured controllers and display options. Onion didn't need to worry about that, but Batocera does, because they presumably have to** create RetroArch config files on the fly for all the different display modes and joypad profiles which is a pain to manually edit on the RetroArch menu**.
The custom firmware on the A30 will probably NOT need to fight against RetroArch that much because it has no video out and no bluetooth joypad support. I reckon it doesn't even have USB joypad support

Ultimately, Onion is built on top of non-replaceable firmware living in the internal flash. It relegates a lot to the SD card but still manages to boot quickly, but it is probably from a very difficult research. On the A30, THIS path is the only available path, as there's still only one SD card slot for ROMs.
Batocera's "metadata" LIVES with EmulationStation frontend, but will this firmware even get something like that? Hard to tell.

Was the "ARCADE" spelling mangled on the Miyoo Mini OEM firmware as well?

[modern terrace]

Yep. "ADRCAE" lol

[idle hedge]

do all retro youtubers get issued with that same type of mat when they create their channel? 😄

[modern terrace]

I think they, or most of them, were inspired on Russ 😂

[prime osprey]

Nonononono absolutely not
Even earlier retro youtubers tend to use this kind of mat for modding projects and DIY stuff (ostensibly - whether they actually engage in any modding scene is another matter)

[prime osprey]

Is apparently called a cutting mat which is primarily popular in the model kit circuit

[torpid coral]

not me, but I wish people who used them let us see the scale

[idle hedge]

You would think that would be an obvious benefit to using such a mat

[torpid coral]

yes...

some AR overlay could be cool, so as you were rotating the object in your hands, there could be some real time measurements

[frosty crescent]

Itws very useful for many DYI and craft projects

[green stump]

Also cutting mat were pretty nice with the old mouse with the sphere inside, I used to have one with the mouse draw on one side and the measurements on the other

I guess a lot of people still use them for retro vibe

[storm lava]

Watched the tuberviejuner review (I speak Spanish), some observations:

• Implies that this thing ships with a case by default like the original mini (not fully confirmed but likely)
• Loose dpad, same as the mini
• Loose shoulder buttons similar in feel to the mini
• Switch joycon style stick (no surprises there)
• Clicky start/select buttons
• Bigger than a GBA micro, smaller than a rg35xx h
• rg35xx h feels more comfortable
• 2600 mAh battery, roughly 5 hours gameplay (estimation, hasn't actually tested it)
• Similar stock OS as the mini
• N64, DC and PSP are present in stock OS
• Supports USB mass storage access (there's an app in the stock OS to enable that)
• Wifi confirmed
• Stock OS supports overclocking CPU frequency 👀
• GBA and PSX come with bugged stock RA settings by default, but fixing it is easy
• With the highest CPU frequency set, SM64 runs full speed, F zero X playable, golden eye not playable
• Crazy Taxi (DC) playable
• Lightweight 2d PSP titles playable
• Koriki CFW in development

[storm lava]

my subjective impression from watching the review is that this is the Miyoo Mini 1.5; not quite a 2.0 successor, but moves the hardware and software meaningfully forward

[prime osprey]

Koriki?

Will it have EmulationStation frontend or just Simplemenu?

[storm lava]

looked like full blown ES to me

[idle hedge]

Shows how important onion os is, miyoo never gets shit for their os having issues unlike anbernic as no bugger ever uses it for long

[bleak olive]

oh 1000000)%

miyoo should just ship things with onion by default

[idle hedge]

it would seem like a smart option, anbernic recognised the sense of that with the og rg35xx and eventually started shipping it with garlic ootb

[bleak olive]

i think miyoo is aware of this too but i'm not sure why they haven't done that

maybe has to do with paying the developers or something

who knows

i hope they got their hands on early units to start working on it

[idle hedge]

possibly that's the reason, they definitely wouldn't want to risk pissing them off by overstepping the mark

[keen juniper]

yeah anbernic knows a little something about pissing off devs lol

[vague merlin]

Probably depends on whether the CFW in question is well localized into Mandarin, more than anything

Didn't stop Powkiddy though (not sure JELOS is available in Mandarin), but well, probably beats having to spend any actual money on their software

[idle hedge]

I meant miyoo wouldn't want to risk the chance of annoying the onion os devs by shipping with it preinstalled as they know it is the main reason their devices are successful

[keen juniper]

yeah thats my point. arkos and jelos dropping new anbernic devices cant have been good for anbernic (even if the 353ps turned out compatible anyway i think?)

[visual bloom]

It definitely hurt the rg arc

TheRA is good but if you’re currently rocking jelos/arkOS on another device and unfamiliar with theRA and just hear “we won’t support that” you’re less likely to buy

[keen juniper]

yeah theRA doesnt get enough credit

[vague merlin]

Arc was my gateway drug into Android handhelds lol

[idle hedge]

also, being able to readily shift rom sd cards around without messing about with folder naming is a big bonus if you have multiple devices running the same os

[vague merlin]

Kinda nice to just add your own stuff to your handheld without depending on anybody, tbh

I think the one thing I'm still kinda missing is proper FTP/Samba transfers, haven't found a good solution on Android for that

[frosty crescent]

yeah. Right now, I could go Miyoo Mini, Miyoo Mini+, TrimUI Smart, RG35XXH and RGB30 with the same MinUI. I usually don't, but I could

[bleak olive]

which is really neat

[prime osprey]

At least their bootable media is still the SD card which means if you have the means, you can make an Anbernic device launch any firmware. Not so easy with the Miyoo and GKD one-card-slot units

[thorn pond]

can you play tomb raider with openlara though

[bleak olive]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Whba0q17ofU

that famicom red and gold look real good

[merry dove]

Yeah, I used to think it's fugly, but it's grown on me a bit. Will it launch with any other colors, too? All reviews seem to show the Famicom version

[bleak olive]

these are the confirmed colors

[merry dove]

https://youtu.be/4oe4fS4ovYs
We see the bottom right design in real here

[valid prism]

That looks better than the render, thankfully

[merry dove]

Do the other colors have real inspirations, too?

Exactly, always better to see the final thing in a video instead of renders

[silent breach]

People keep posting this

Those damn nails

Like okay maybe the thumb is for guitaring or something? But bro the pinky nail!!!!

[valid prism]

https://tenor.com/view/mimi-neko-its-ok-ok-cry-pat-gif-16605231

[silent breach]

🤢

[alpine elm]

[north lynx]

for opening boxes... 😂

[idle hedge]

the second one is obviously the stabbing finger

[tender lichen]

And cocaine? XD

[muted latch]

I'd like , like, a normal color

And the 3 non-famicon colors are a bit too similar to each other IMO

Your choices are between something dark and famiclone and I am not too into it.

[idle hedge]

It is almost like they had 3 versions of a design and forgot to pick the final one

[merry pewter]

FYI Miyoo is behind that YouTube channel

[tacit light]

Great pic of the thickness

[thorn pond]

I like the clean grey

but where's my atomic purple

[visual bloom]

wild that between the a30 and the 28xx neither did gba indigo

[tacit light]

good

[keen juniper]

im fine with that as long as both miyoo and anbernic do silver with the tribal tats for their clamshells

[tacit light]

I feel like the a30 and 28xx need to switch SOCs

[keen juniper]

this except also give the h700 version of the a30 a goddamn headphone jack

but i would definitely like to have one stick with that chipset

i dont mind it on this cuz its good for a bunch of the ps1 i like to play but the beefier chip would get more value out of it

[tacit light]

I think anbernic will have both of their handhelds out before Miyoo releases the a30

[visual bloom]

honestly neither of them should be using the a33 in 2024

[tacit light]

FR, FR

[storm lava]

sauce?

doesn't seem likely since the channel has rg28xx coverage as well

[vague merlin]

Okay, what the hell is up with that dude‘s nails

And I mean, it‘s the thumb and ring finger on both hands, so seems really deliberate

[vague merlin]

If true, I find it hilarious that they themselves are wondering if the A30 is coming out too late

[frosty crescent]

Well, Anbernic also made a quote for the 28xx on their promo asking when the clamshell was coming

[prime zenith]

I'm pretty skeptical of this claim given all the other brands' devices they have covered, including the obvious competitor to Miyoo's A30 in Anbernic's RG28xx

[bleak olive]

Even if they were, the video doesn’t actually say anything

It just shows the device and tests a few things

[weary nacelle]

Russ has an a30 on the way

[alpine elm]

here we go

my wallet starts sweating already

[vague merlin]

Yeah, it's almost like they're onto something

[sly stone]

Just realized I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a device with a total absence of black bezel like this, and with such a pixel density that’s looks absolutely awesome

(Image from Panda MiMi video)

This plus MM/+ Dpad and face buttons that seems much bigger than the rg28xx for me there is no competition, I don’t care about higher performances I just want THIS

[strong shore]

Battery life could be much much worse tho

That chip is OLD

[drowsy lagoon]

While I also like it, I'm concerned about the inadequacy of such flanges and a screen protector. Durability vs aesthetics 😉

[tender lichen]

Alright, I'll admit I was wrong. I set up and tried out Batocera on my RG35XX Plus tonight and really like it! It feels really full featured and the most elegantly designed of any Emulation Station style OS I've tried, and it's running Bloody Roar 2 full speed in Swanstation so I'm totally happy performance wise. Honestly the only thing I could find that didn't work quite right was that the sound still outputs through the handheld's speaker over HDMI, but everything else seems to work perfectly and the long boot time isn't too much of an issue since it has a sleep mode. I think I'll stick with this OS for my RG35XX Plus ^_^

[prime osprey]

Laminated screens don't offer any better durability

You have to have air gaps for that - That's one of the biggest reasons why Game Boy consoles were tough

You can have similarly rigid plastic shells in any other handheld, but once you put the display directly towards the touchable surface, you got a crucial weakpoint

[young flame]

maybe he plays a string instrument of some sorts...

[tacit light]

Better hurry up miyoo

[bleak olive]

The 28xx is definitely out the door first

[rotund gulch]

All the degenerates in this Discord server are going to buy both anyway

[bleak olive]

In all colors

[subtle raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-still-gif-20331665

[tacit light]

Yep

Russ has his rg28xx now. So within the week they will be up for order. The 15th has passed and still cannot buy this.

[subtle raptor]

Realistically, I have no interest in either, but if I did want one, it's the A30. We already have a small horizontal Anbernic, the H, don't have that with the Miyoo, plus wifi is a necessity for me. I can wait.

[tacit light]

To be honest the novelty is the only reason, I will buy these. I have zero use case for them.

[subtle raptor]

Shelf Device!

[keen juniper]

I'm looking for something I can easily pocket on the subway if I'm not taking a backpack and I don't trust my og miyoo mini for that lol so I am eyeing these. 28xx looks more promising tho cuz I don't want to have to carry a usb c audio dongle

[muted latch]

Ever since I got my rgb30, I haven't feel like I need a new device.

If I got a new device would I play it, and if I actually play that device instead of my rgb30, would that make me feel bad for no longer using my rgb30 ? -.-

[thorn pond]

I wish miyoo had at least gone rk3326. It's obviously cheap given the devices its in

[muted latch]

I am not sure if I would actually play anything other than GBA and maybe some SNES on this

[tacit light]

I wasn't a huge fan of the A33 when it came out.

GBA will struggle with FF

[keen juniper]

yeah its a pretty big performance gap between this and the 28xx. poor mans 3326 vs poor mans 3566

[tacit light]

TIL that the AllWinner A33 was in NES classic.

[muted latch]

it's an all winner afterall

[tacit light]

also makes me sad Obscurehandheds doesn't write articles anymore.

[ocean night]

was also in the PocketGo S30

[tacit light]

Yep. Why I know it will shit the bed if you want to Fast Forward GBA rpgs.

My question for everyone is. Pocketgo and Miyoo same people or company?

[ocean night]

I think gba has improved a bit since the S30? Also I believe that device had some screen quirkiness, not sure if it affected performance

yes PocketGo and Miyoo are the same

they also made the OG RK2020

also bittboy

[tacit light]

I think I have all their handhelds.

[keen juniper]

i only have the s30 and the miyoo mini

[modern terrace]

Some GB/NES testing: https://youtu.be/ltP2nT68_5A

[tacit light]

SOC still struggles with the exta features for GBA. It will play gba fine. If you want FF or rewind. It's not going to be great.

[ocean night]

rewind is pretty taxing in general

[keen juniper]

i like how both anbernic and miyoo are showing off crazy taxi lol. framerate doesnt look great tho

[thorn pond]

well this chip is slightly faster than the one in the mm/+, so we should reap benefits from all the work to make that faster. Beetle snes superfaust etc

[tacit light]

You have to be crazy to play crazy taxi on this.

[thorn pond]

my main problem with it is the 6 watt tdp

[alpine harbor]

People are going to play some needless shit on these just because ...I can!

[visual bloom]

Higher tdp than t618 for way less power, tiny battery

Somebody cooking

[keen juniper]

also i wonder if this will need a safe shutdown procedure like the s30 does lol

[visual bloom]

I’m expecting the 28xx to slaughter this on battery life unfortunately

[tacit light]

Good point. I forget about that.

[visual bloom]

Sucks because wifi is nice

[keen juniper]

yeah it would kind of kill the flow of onionos if it cant fast shutdown

[tacit light]

Do we know if Shawn likes this one? I saw him post in 28xx feed.

[dim thicket]

I think it was also in the SNES classic too. If I remember correctly, it did alright with mode 7 stuff

[tacit light]

you are correct. it will run games well natively

[prime osprey]

Joke's on you, 2.8 is too small for me so neither

[balmy yarrow]

what should one consider when comparing the two? apart from Miyoo having the stick

[tacit light]

power and battery

[balmy yarrow]

and which is better in that regard?

[visual bloom]

The 28xx

More modern and efficient chip + bigger battery in the anbernic

Miyoo probably will have better dpad and buttons though

[balmy yarrow]

hm...

both have the same screen size?

[visual bloom]

Yup, and res

Oh and the miyoo has wifi

But no headphone jack (comes with a usb C to 3.5mm adapter)

[subtle raptor]

Alternatively, just buy the H

[prime osprey]

On a basic level, how did Onion or Allium manage to get the Miyoo Mini to boot through the initial things and go straight to the custom UI on the SD card, presumably without altering anything on the internal flash?

Will it be replicable on the A30?

Will that allow an EmulationStation-powered OS later on?

[balmy yarrow]

the H is too similar to the much better 2S for me and my use case, and I own the 2S

[tender lichen]

For me it just comes down to the Miyoo A30 not having a powerful enough chipset to run the most demanding PS1 and GBA games full speed, whereas the RG28XX will be able to play them full speed with ease.

[strong shore]

Also the 28xx literally has the same power too lol

[balmy yarrow]

you two seem to have opposing statements...

[ocean night]

why wouldn't PS1 and GBA games run at full speed?

[subtle raptor]

Curious what serious power and gaming y'all are doing at 2.8" lol

[tender lichen]

I just wanna play Duke Nukem Advance and Tomb Raider III XD

[balmy yarrow]

I'm serious with Tetris! >:P

[prime osprey]

For example, DrillDozer on mGBA. Miyoo Mini struggles full speed. gpSP has full speed but no rumble support.

[subtle raptor]

2S runs Tetris well 😄

[keen juniper]

i like running the best crt/lcd shaders i can do

[balmy yarrow]

but I want something more pocketable and not Android this time 😛

[prime osprey]

Mario & Luigi too
That's mighty popular if I remember

[tender lichen]

The main selling point of the RG28XX over the Miyoo A30 for me though is that the H700 processor in the 28XX has enough power to run the quite accurate Swanstation PS1 core in RetroArch, whereas the Miyoo devices are stuck running pcsx-rearmed, which is buggy as hell and prone to freezing and crashing. If you want really stable and reliable PS1 gameplay then the 28XX is the way to go.

[subtle raptor]

What's the selling point over the H? The one inch smaller?

[strong shore]

Well it should be noticeably smaller

For the same chipset

[tender lichen]

It's small enough for a shady Anbernic dealer in a park to carry 4 of them in their trenchcoat?

[strong shore]

Also no sticks which can help with pocketability

[subtle raptor]

lmao

[balmy yarrow]

yes, an inch converted into centimeters makes a difference to me 😛

[strong shore]

Also it’s more aesthetically pleasing

And I have a problem

And I should seek therapy as this is not okay

[keen juniper]

orange

[silent breach]

There's no selling point really

Just people with gotta collect them all mentality

[strong shore]

I once tried justifying to myself getting a Rg35xx plus when I had a 353v

😭

This is horrible

And I’m still not quite giving up the temptation either

[tender lichen]

In all seriousness though, the 28XX seems to be more in line with the size of TrimUI Smart than the RG35XX-H, so it's gonna be more of a micro handheld but with a more comfortably sized screen than we're used to seeing on micro handhelds; Miyoo Mini notwithstanding.

[subtle raptor]

Kind of this energy here lol

It'll be worse than an H at a price higher than you can get an H for, which is weird.

[strong shore]

I literally have a 2S

King of 4:3