Miyoo Flip

[opaque breach]

Find the same boneheaded button structural design that Anbernic used on their first batch SPs?

Like, the one point touch that could rupture the dome beneath?

[lilac heart]

Wouldn't it be funny, if Miyoo cancels this in the last second?

😂😂😂😂

[fast lantern]

It's probably too late seeing how they're already assembling the first batch

[oblique pendant]

I always find it amusing seeing two different people in this thread, both with names and pfps of Metal Gear characters voiced by David Hayter

[eternal cobalt]

We need Iroquois Pliskin

[oblique pendant]

If it wasn't for the fact that my current pfp is so iconic to the people that know me, I'd probably do it myself lol

[cold osprey]

people here acting like the Flip is a thing, it's not a thing until it's out and god knows how long it's gonna be

[eternal cobalt]

I mean, Dev Units has been sent out.

[cold osprey]

means absolutely nothing

[oblique pendant]

I'M GONNA BUILD MY OWN MIYOO FLIP

WITH BLACKJACK

AND HOOKERS

[cold osprey]

eh, isn't that just any one these with "peek-a-boo poker" rom?

[obtuse dock]

IN A CAVE WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS

[cloud crystal]

so no review units

[loud mantle]

No units at all 😉

[timber spindle]

put a 4080 in there

[oak sonnet]

Just buy a z flip and slap a miyoo sticker on it

[timber spindle]

but its not a 4080 kekw

[lilac heart]

Means nothing. Also the review units will not be ready this year. So the release date is sometime in 2025.

Miyoo - we're not in a hurry!
Miyoo - it's done, when it's done!
Miyoo - we develop pocket gaming devices and then cancel them!
Miyoo - s00n!

[winged bear]

Miyoo - welp, i guess we gotta drop the price to half again

[lilac heart]

Miyoo - not so fast

Miyoo - end of this month, friend 🤝

[lilac heart]

The first batch hasn't been assembled yet!

Miyoo - 🤝

Miyoo - it has been cancelled, friend

[covert beacon]

It's going to be an awesome little device.

[sweet plover]

they didnt upgrade the screen? rip doa

[tranquil citrus]

It's 3.5 inch 640x480

[cold osprey]

yeah the rg34xx is the nail in the coffin for this thing

[versed swallow]

Idk, I really don’t like their shape. The flip looks way prettier, not to mention build quality (appearance of it anyway)

[fast lantern]

Humm not yet, it's in direct competition with the rg35xxsp rather than the rg34xx. And furthermore onion os or spruce could still make the miyoo mini flip a big hit

[fast lantern]

Agree if miyoo could recreate the magic of the miyoo mini they can still push this thing high and above

[neat wedge]

True. The reason why I'm not counting out the Flip is because there's so many OS options for RK3566 devices like this

(And if GammaCore gets ported to this, we can even get Android stuff running too!)

[fast lantern]

That would be super cool 😎

[cold osprey]

I'm talking about the target audience. Who is this for. People who're nostalgic for gba? then anbernic wins with both the sp(shape) and the 34xx(screen). And those sticks are not helping. With 50k views on thet 34xx video in 4 days, while the 35xx-h exists at discounted price, that means something

[fast lantern]

Miyoo mini flip isn't trying to go for all nostalgia though it has analog stick and is meant to be even more compact than the rg35xxsp and probably more pocketable than the rg34xx

It's probably best to wait till both devices get released I have a feeling the flip will feel much better in person

[round ridge]

Part of the miyoo mini magic came from a relative limited number of options back in the day imo and that screen is particularly special.
Competition is much more fierce now.

[cold osprey]

miyoo got lucky with the mini, some talented dev made onion, the stock one is bad, screen is bad too, they got point for the dpad though

[fast lantern]

Can't argue with that though

But if the flip has something similar to onion on launch it could be good regardless

[winged bear]

i don't think onion is the end all be all anymore

[cold osprey]

miyoo's track record does not support this

[winged bear]

it's prettier than muos, but muos has it beat for usability

[fast lantern]

Well they made one flop which is the A30 but now the A30 is made much better with spruce

[cold osprey]

muos can be really simple with upcoming kid-mode or could be really advanced with the ability to create and install apps

[cold osprey]

can you honestly state that spruce is good?

[fast lantern]

The new version is pretty good, came very close to replicating onion

[winged bear]

with muos, i love how you can completely customize how you want it to act when you power it down or sleep, quick mode...

it's really good

[fast lantern]

Onion can do that too

[winged bear]

is it customizable though?

[fast lantern]

It's hard to speculate how good it will be until we get it on hand

[rotund ember]

I mean, maybe, but there's no true sleep mode on Miyoo devices

[fast lantern]

Yes

[rotund ember]

Flip should have one though

[winged bear]

i'll have to look into it on my miyoo mini, i thought you're forced to use quick mode

[fast lantern]

I can set power turn on to game switcher, go back to previous games...,

[rotund ember]

The really cool thing in MuOS is that you can create entirely arbitrary game collections

Like create a folder with all Castlevania games and have every game be launched with a proper emulator

[fast lantern]

That's pretty neat

[rotund ember]

I don't think anything outside of Android frontends can do this

[cold osprey]

I think the killer feature of muos is the app section, anyone can create apps for it, and simple installation. and recent development of chrome based browser and dolphin emulator are just crazy

[rotund ember]

Oh yeah, that's true

[cold osprey]

I mean watching youtube video in chrome based brower with adblock

on $40 device

[rotund ember]

I think there are like two or three scraper apps there already

[round ridge]

I have been using Trimui brick and comparing it against my mm+ on onion. The brick has such great sleep functionality that I never turn off it. So going back to a game is much much faster than onion's quick mode.

I lowkey wish all linux based handheld works like the brick.

[cold osprey]

oh I like the Anbernic way, just slap ubuntu on it and let people tinker

it may not start off well but in the end some smart people can take advantage of that openness

[burnt crag]

Do you know the percentage of battery drain per hour roughly?

[round ridge]

Was there some drama with Ubuntu on Rockchip chips? I dont know how things would go in the future.

[winged bear]

roughly 0%, the smart pro lasts for weeks and weeks while sleeping

[round ridge]

Very minimal. Maybe 1%?

[burnt crag]

Damn that’s insanely good

[winged bear]

maybe 2% per day for the brick, since it has a smaller battery

[cold osprey]

it's going pretty well so far 🙂

[round ridge]

Good to know I saw some drama news earlier in the year but didn't follow closely.

[cold osprey]

drama in linux world is like daily news

if you follow linus torvalds 😄

[round ridge]

Lol I was too busy to check internet because I was fixing my system after I typed "yay" and hit enter

[cold osprey]

if you're interested reddit r/linusrants

[rotund ember]

I don't think any Anbernic device runs Ubuntu tbh. Rockchip devices run an Anbernic fork of Batocera, Allwinner devices run something made completely in-house by Anbernic

And yeah, there was lots of drama during the Rockchip days, not so much during the Allwinner era (Anbernic didn't get better, but the new CFW scene doesn't care about that)

[cold osprey]

all the h700 devices run an old version of ubuntu, you can slap xfce on it and install libreoffice/chrome/normal linux stuff if you want

[cold osprey]

https://youtu.be/EvbGb_rHFqk?si=x6KKS_irM8UkRwl5&t=390

[rotund ember]

Oh, didn't know their stock is Ubuntu-based

My bad

[cold osprey]

not just ubuntu based, it's full on desktop ubuntu with keyboard/mouse/printer support

[rotund ember]

Thank god, what would we do without printer support

[winged bear]

https://tenor.com/view/g4-g4tv-game-boy-game-boy-printer-print-gif-21334015

[round ridge]

I didn't mean the drama around the jelos era or so. The drama I was referring to was this:

https://youtu.be/4aaF2HgTVe8?si=NXU2XwCLwqpm-j1S

https://github.com/Joshua-Riek/ubuntu-rockchip/discussions/1104

And yeah I wasn't aware that h700 runs full on desktop ubuntu. Hopefully things would work well.

[pale gyro]

Any ordering/shipping info yet?

[rotund ember]

Hello, still debugging

[pale gyro]

Ok will check back in a week or so.

[lilac heart]

2025

How many times do I need to say this?

[ocean oracle]

https://youtu.be/XEOzLKCo_uw?si=RAFIjaqUcokDqyjP

[timber spindle]

feb 31st right?

[cold osprey]

it's been soon/next month for like a year now

[subtle mango]

if not longer

[opaque breach]

I hope if Onion makes a new OS on here, they can strip the EmulationStation stuff away

Other devs will likely port ES-based OSes on here easy

[austere crag]

https://x.com/MiyooMiniPlus/status/1866688433575342276?t=2LaOgBZAIq7lgkQpFY5hhQ&s=19

Retro Gaming Consoles (@MiyooMiniPlus) on X

I already have the beautiful miyoo flip in my hands soon review on my youtube channel

#miyooflip #miyoomini #rg35xxsp #miyoo

Miyoo Mini Plus: https://t.co/ihcOhOZST5

Miyoo A30:
https://t.co/MMUqc1w1rG

Miyoo Mini V4: https://t.co/adrUb92hQ5

Twitter · Dec 11, 2024, 3:36 AM

[opaque breach]

Is that a Divoom?!

[hollow lagoon]

I want a divoom

[opaque breach]

Uh-oh. (From Steward-Fu)

[cold osprey]

could be a concern, at least the H700 doesn't get hot, and rk35kk does, but i'm sure they'd put enough air gap there

also that battery seem to be covered in some kind of foam

[opaque breach]

Probably still depends on the circuitry design

If there's no boneheaded USB overcurrent mode

This setup should still be decently safe

RG353P

[cold osprey]

one more thing, those shoulder buttons do not look like the metal frame supported through hole xbox style and looks like SMD, those're gonna break so fast

to save assembly cost?

[opaque breach]

Any handheld doing it right?

[cold osprey]

almost all of them

without the through hole frame, and people smashing those, 😕

just hope that they have some kind of support frame at the front that we don't see from this angle

this is a modern SMD one with the support at the front, doesn't look like the one in the picture

[tacit lava]

i remember miyoo skimping on that with the rk2020

dropped my first unit and one of the shoulder buttons came off

joesad~1

[coarse tulip]

Well why'd you drop it? That was foolish, typical cat behavior.

[tacit lava]

it wasn't my fault okay

our paws can't grip for shit

4843cesadcateatpaw

i learned next time to grab handhelds with your teeth

[opaque breach]

powkiddy or miyoo

[tacit lava]

miyoo

iirc rk2020s had "miyoo" printed on the board

[oblique pendant]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/348168165181751296/792517755826995210/BChungus.mp4?ex=675ab96d&is=675967ed&hm=81c76935454c5ecea73bc774acfcadda5b1e7476c45b1b15b7275a5347210c7d&

[haughty dune]

https://tenor.com/view/big-chungus-picked-off-you-just-got-picked-off-l'jarius-sneed-gif-18241615846356384021

[small scarab]

He sounds like Charlie day voicing luigi in the new Mario movie lol, I would love to hear more reviews with his voice

[cold osprey]

oh now we have a time frame "end of month" instead of "soon". Isn't this exiting

[somber bone]

https://tenor.com/view/404soob-pepe-pp-gif-21552701

[oblique pendant]

Naked Snake in another server said that there's apparently issues with the hinge as well as heat

Which isn't very promising

[obsidian vessel]

2 years in the making and it sucks 😦

[ivory lily]

Can we go back to arguing about screen size? It was more entertaining than the release date

[languid sundial]

shieeet, why only Powkiddy is able to make a good SP clones, but they dont want to upgrade V90 anyway xD

[round ridge]

When Powkiddy upgrades V90 they would do weird stuff like putting sticks on top of dpad.

[oblique pendant]

Does the RK3566 usually get hot?

Just thinking to myself. Keeping the heat away from the player's hands with a clamshell is pretty difficult, I'd imagine

[umbral pendant]

Define hot.

It's usually toasty on larger devices.

[shut otter]

https://youtu.be/A48666uU6Rs?si=ckA_HdvUz8KWlsF4

[neat wedge]

That is true, admittedly

[wanton kraken]

Hmmm

Doesn't look so bad in a review

The DPad still looks terrible

But I still might buy

[obsidian vessel]

this looks painful

i wanted sticks but

:\

[wanton kraken]

I mean that's to be expected from such a compact design

[subtle mango]

with a loose-ish grip it doesn't look like it'd be too bad

[wanton kraken]

Compact and comfortable can't really coexist very well

[subtle shoal]

Can anyone confirm, is sound quality upgradable like mini ? which chip is compatible with this model?

[cold osprey]

keep in mind that reviewer has miyoo ref-link in all their videos ands socials

[hollow lagoon]

Is that a real rk3566 or the fake one lol

[cold osprey]

they're not gonna fake it, but if they can sell this thing for $50, I'll be really impressed. That's like an orage pi 3b with screen and controls and i'm so put android TV on that 🤓

[proven adder]

70-80 dollars

[cold osprey]

oh, that price's gonna limit this thing mostly for western countries then. it's gonna be ~$150-$200 with tax for me, no thank you!

that's like cut off most customers from south asia and south america, good luck with that miyoo

[opaque breach]

Steward-fu has put out a LOT of development files on GitHub (no idea if they're going to be deleted or not) so he got all the toolchain running and it's not going to be fake. Plus, there are PSP emulation test videos floating around, with a fairly good attempt at God of War, so it's NO fake.

[opaque breach]

What's your ideal price considering your region?

[rotund ember]

Wtf, that's more than 2x

[cold osprey]

yes,yes it is, more like 2.1x because of import paperwork fee and post repacking fee

[cold osprey]

depends on the exchange rate, but right now it's $40 for my country

the people of south america have more breathing room at $50

[rotund ember]

Okay, I've seen people debate handheld prices over 5-10 bucks, now I know why

[cold osprey]

there's a big, gigantic different between 40 vs 41 and 50 vs 51 depends on region

[rotund ember]

Yeah, I just figured those were people that buy like 10s of handhelds each month (so it just adds up), but this makes more sense

Also daaamn

[cold osprey]

depends how rich a country is really, there's also a limit in the US at $300 iirc

[rotund ember]

Yeah, but it seems like there's a new tariff horror story from Europeans every month

(don't mean to criticize, you have my sympathies)

[oblique pendant]

We definitely don't have it as bad as the South Americans, so it would be wrong for me to complain

[cold osprey]

with the rise of Temu, Shean, my country's politicians soon are voting on removing the tax free cap altogether, as in tax everything but there's push back as the custom office might not able to handle all that extra work

[amber plaza]

^They did this in my country, but the store has to administer it. So the big ones will charge VAT/GST, but the smaller ones don't. And it has to be physically detected by someone from customs, and they don't give a crap if it's less than $500USD's worth

But yes $70-80 US dollars is nearly twice that in AUD/CAD/NZD, so it goes from being an impulse purchase to have fun with to 'Do I really want to spend $150 on this?'

At least it takes less than a week for stuff to show up at your door I suppose. Direct flights from Guangzhou, baby

[blazing sedge]

Yeah. Really hoping it releases before next administration kills the pricing

[sweet plover]

south asians have 'methods' to get these cheapish

the least grey area of which are business which do essentially groupbuy imports to get better rates, the mini+ is readily available for around 50 usd now

[round ridge]

What if adding tariffs on ewaste is government's effort to protect the environment

[subtle mango]

won't stop samsung from making trash low end phones to flood the lower markets

[tranquil citrus]

What kind of phones do you refer to as trash?

[obsidian vessel]

A15? lol

[radiant burrow]

That phone works perfectly fine for things a phone was meant to do lol

[amber plaza]

I bought an A05 when I broke a phone but was like a month away from contract renewal and a new free phone.

It's awful. Helio G85, yet it takes a minute to load the launcher when it unlocks and too many notifications slow it down. 4GB of RAM, ugh. It takes ages to place a phone call.

Entirely bloatware causing it. Also it's not powerful enough to cope with full Android overhead. The stripped down Android on an RK3566 chip runs better.

Samsung cheap mobile phones are absolute ass.

[obsidian vessel]

i mean all cheap phones are ass

[amber plaza]

Oh and don't forget, HD+ IPS is not really HD or IPS really

[amber plaza]

Honestly the Motorola ones aren't. A lot of the Chinese brands do good cheap phones. Nokia/HMD tend to as well

[neat wedge]

Admittedly, Motorola's cheap stuff was kneecapped by only having 1 major version update, though if the G75 getting 5 version updates is any indication, we may be in for a treat with next year's G series...

[night raven]

Samsung's A series phones are the most popular in the world because they do what 98% of users need. With the exception of a powerful processor or a professional grade camera it has most of the other features that high-end phones have at a fifth of the price.

Now if you want to game on it, or if the processor/camera is really important to you then yeah you should buy a couple year old flagship instead

[amber plaza]

Samsung low-end phones suck at doing basic phone tasks. Probably in part because Samsung shoves them full of bloatware

[neat wedge]

Over here in the US, there's not much choice when it comes to cheap phones aside from Samsung or Motorola (with Pixel a for the upper mid-range). You may see a OnePlus or HMD/Nokia thrown in from time to time, and I won't be suprirsed if the rumored Nothing Phone (3a) has full US support, but still

(Well, full meaning "it's on AT&T's whitelist and it has band 71 for T-Mobile")

[cold osprey]

my most expensive phone ever is my current Poco M5, about $140, perfectly usable.

I manage a cafe with a POS software with 2 delivery apps, plus play Another Eden on it, manage socials, some financial software plus moonlight and anydesk to connect to my home server

and my young customers "need" latest $1000 phones to doom scroll facebook and tiktok

[obsidian vessel]

yeah my free Pixel 8a does more than my iPhone 15 plus does 😦

in terms of emulation lol

[cold osprey]

my previous phone was a sansung M20

still usable but some financial apps refuses to work on it

[neat wedge]

I might downgrade to a lower-end phone in the future, admittedly. I do like my Galaxy S21+, but it's kind of overkill when I'm not playing many resource-intensive games on it

[burnt crag]

I’d get an old flip phone if i didn’t rely on gps navigation so much

[tacit breach]

I'm fine with paying more for a phone when I'm getting 7 years of software updates. Definitely helps the value proposition, especially if you buy last years flagship second hand

[subtle mango]

I just buy mid range phones and get around 4 years out of em

[amber plaza]

Half-price flagships from last year own

When I worked at an electronics big-box during college, I always talked customers out of mid-range and into buying last years flagship for an extra $50-100. Saves them money in the long run, flagships are built better, have better hardware, and better support.

[amber plaza]

$1000USD? I remember when flagships were like $500USD. I saw the Oppo flip phone in a store here for nearly $2500USD, who is spending that on a phone?

[obsidian vessel]

I’m very happy with the Pixel 8A. 7 years of updates too

[amber plaza]

I had a 7a, really liked it - was nice to finally have a smaller phone, it fit in my comparatively tiny hands, but it overheated like crazy and literally got too hot to use. Ended up exchanging it for a moto

[obsidian vessel]

I’m using it solely as a handheld gaming device and I haven’t noticed high temps

[amber plaza]

The Pixel handsets are very hit and hiss, some of them are fine and some of them have massive QA issues

My phone shouldn't be 75 degrees from scrolling Substack lol

[obsidian vessel]

I was shocked that I can play quite a few switch games on it

[amber plaza]

Really? I tried Yuzu on my 7A and got 40fps on 720p Metroid Dread, but maybe the Tensor chip in that was older

I really liked having AI sit on hold for me, vastly underrated feature that should be standard on every phone

[obsidian vessel]

8A has the g3 one gen behind the current flagship

[amber plaza]

ah yeah I think the 7 had a G2

[obsidian vessel]

And yea the 8A has all the Gemini stuff included too

[ivory lily]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-phone-can-you-do-this-flip-phone-think-youre-so-great-gif-15682808

[obsidian vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/taking-a-selfie-marques-brownlee-taking-a-picture-sign-peace-motorola-razr-gif-4894885756984337275

Razr enters the chat

Razr+ has a snapdragon 8 gen 3

[amber plaza]

Yeah I think my next phone will be a razr. Kinda shocked that folding phones haven't gotten cheaper yet

[obsidian vessel]

I’m an iPhone user but I’ll be honest that I am considering the Pixel as a daily driver

I hated Samsung

[subtle mango]

once one of those book style folding phones goes under $1k I'm saving for one

[amber plaza]

same

[subtle mango]

it'll make reading manga so much nicer

[obsidian vessel]

I feel like I overpaid for my iPhone 15 plus. I got it a year ago for $600 after trading in my old 11. At first it was amazing cuz I played a lot of iPhone games. But now I am into retro handhelds so my phone is a huge paperweight

It doesn’t even do Apple AI

[burnt crag]

I paid full price for my iphone 15 pro when it dropped telling myself i would use it for more content creation stuff and never did

Feel like a big dummy i wanna just sell it and get something more reasonable

I don’t even like ios compared to android

[somber bone]

I'm more of a Tina Linux guy 😎 like what's gonna come installed on the MIYOO FLIP

[amber plaza]

the miyoo what now

[coarse tulip]

That a phone?

[amber plaza]

me buying surface pros

[amber plaza]

you can use the original odin as a phone

[coarse tulip]

Miyoo made an Odin phone?

[amber plaza]

I'd buy it

[amber plaza]

Honestly the Tina Linux stock firmwares are underrated. Yes the music is REALLY annoying... but they actually work, and they play games and they generally don't have horrendous performance issues. Also they look nice

[somber bone]

that's the reason why things like Onion, spruce, and MinUI work so well.... it's mostly the SD card contents that Miyoo screws the pooch on, haha. The stuff that can be overwritten or modified by a motivated tinkerer.

[tacit lava]

i thought tina linux was specifically an allwinner thing

4843cesadcateatpaw

[obsidian vessel]

Less flip talk more phone talk

[amber plaza]

everyone is like 'onion is so great I love onion' ... it's literally a nicer version of the stock firmware lol

[tacit lava]

onion is, in some ways, proof that miyoo actually has really good stock firmware, they're just ass at doing good out-of-the-box configurations

the onion team did a hell of a lot of work cleaning up miyoo's mess though and added some thoughtful features ontop of it, miyoo did really need a team like them

[amber plaza]

I bought a Mini at release and I remember using the stock firmware a LOT... and it was fine. Nowhere near the MinUI experience that came to it later, but fine

[amber plaza]

yes the 5 different versions of snes9x and the 1000 -The Addams Family romlist is a Miyoo classic

[tacit lava]

i thought their frontend was very nice, it was very simple to use and navigate and polished on a couple fronts

iirc, the stock firmware lets you open the retroarch menu too ontop of their simple save-state menu, which i thought was a much better approach than other stock firmwares from other companies

other companies expect you to know how to navigate retroarch and remember shortcuts (tbf, a lot of companies use community firmware out of the box), while others lock you down so much that you can't even change the aspect ratio

[amber plaza]

I am trying to reply but my reply is getting automodded

[tacit lava]

joesad~1

[amber plaza]

A very popular romlist is another offender- it's full of licensed shovel ware - who's playing that and declaring it's the best thing ever? Like honestly.

Huh, I didn't realize that mentioning that list would trigger the automod. Fair enough.

[tacit lava]

joesad~1

i find it weird whenever chinese companies overcomplicate the setup of their romsets

[amber plaza]

I think it's a famiclone hangover

[tacit lava]

sometimes it looks like they literally individually scraped their romset images by using a search engine

and sometimes they number their roms and it's not even in a logical order for some reason

like they probably had some poor intern number it

miyoo at least doesn't look like they use an automatic scraper

[amber plaza]

The MiniM had a really good list, with a lot of Nintendo removed

[tacit lava]

the xu mini m?

[amber plaza]

Yeah

It even had a bunch of stuff for OpenBOR preinstalled

[tacit lava]

magicx is kind of a weird outlier in these small details i feel

they haven't yet made a name for themselves yet, but they do seem pretty in tune with the western part of the retro handheld community

i can't tell if those romsets came from their distributors though, they give a lot of control to ampown for example

[amber plaza]

Does the China scene have a CFW scene like ours? Everywhere else seems to just install stuff from the Western CFW scene, or release it here - seen a few Japanese devs release stuff in both languages

[tacit lava]

i think the only firmwares i've seen come from china are from third party contractors who are probably rushed to develop firmware for these devices, or maybe companies who used to develop for the bootleg famiclone era like cube tech

you see more custom hardware than software from china

opposite here to the west

[amber plaza]

I wonder where the FF7 for NES guys are now

[tacit lava]

i have no idea, but it would be interesting how they would survive in this new retro handheld world

i was surprised to learn about bootleg nes games being an industry, it seems so niche and unprofitable, especially past the 90s

https://sznanjing.en.made-in-china.com/

huh, interesting

this is from a long time ago

but they could totally be part of the rush of the retro handhelds

[amber plaza]

Famiclones are huge in the developing world and were big in China in the early 2000s

Some kid got an R36S for Christmas last year and it was the best thing ever

[cold osprey]

HW modding scene in asia is way ahead of anything you see in the west

90% all the schematic that's current used for hw repair in the west is sold by 1 vietnam forum 🙂

not like the west, opensource is the norm of the community. in asia almost all things are bought and sold, closed source

you see these in daily life objects like solar powered lamp or camera, home automation

many things that deemed impossible in the west is trivial in asia, example apple iphone lock

modded bios to reuse server hardwares, mortherboards, stuff like that

things like cfw like the ones here for retro handheld in the west are developed as a hobby, software in the asia is more practical, mostly for financial gain, to be sold

stuff like the new apple mini PC is reverse engineered in less than 2 days and a week later most shops offers ssd upgrade service, parts and board schematic

[eternal cobalt]

Late for the discussion but I bought iPhone 15 Pro in the summer, mainly because my iPhone 11 was too sluggish. I know full well how much I paid, what is the price/performance proposition and everything else. I am happy with it because it just works and has great camera performance, and OS feels snappy.

I work in IT, and therefore a lot of android phones has gone through my hands. I will never ever get back to Android unless it gets on par with iOS in terms of usability, OS support and security of it.

[dire ibex]

How do you install the chrome based browser on the SP? Name of app or GitHub link would be awesome thanks

[winged bear]

my a55 came really clean, that criticism must be some old idea from years ago

[cold osprey]

https://discord.com/channels/1152022492001603615/1289005231874641920

[dire ibex]

Thanks a bunch!

[obsidian vessel]

Same I also work in IT and the Pixel is the first Android that made me go Hmmm… maybe Android isn’t so bad.

[round ridge]

Android in North America lacks serious competition after LG went away, then Huawei and other Chinese stuff got banned or pushed aside.

[obsidian vessel]

samsung, google, and motorola seem to be whats left...

[oblique pendant]

I have a Nothing Phone (2a) and I like it well enough

Although it's not a brand that's readily available in the US

[round ridge]

I have lost interest keeping up with the latest smart phone now... I find even the H700 devices more interesting

[obsidian vessel]

same

i hardly use my iphone now

except for messaging and photos

[amber plaza]

That's because, apart from folding phones, they are more or less semi identical black rectangles

[round ridge]

Some of our options were taken away from us. Like maybe some want expandable storage, some maybe want a headphone jack, some don't like having curved edges, some dont like fingerprint recognition through the screen etc. In the past a lot of the purchase choice could be based off these but now most phones are more or less normalized.
Just my 2 cents tho. I purchased a Huawei phone when it was not banned because its storage could be expanded by an nm card, and I got a Samsung phone just because I want a Dex mode. These special things are what I personally find interesting.

[amber plaza]

I just wish more companies did colourful phones

[burnt crag]

More colors and smaller

[amber plaza]

yes not every phone needs to be a 6.7 inch 21:9 skinny behemoth

I would like something in a 16:9 aspect ratio for watching videos please

[tacit lava]

i always wanted a phone that was like the lumia 830-930

metal frame and polycarbonate back

[amber plaza]

I had a Lumia 920 and a Lumia 1520. They were amazing

[tacit lava]

[tacit lava]

i really loved the plastic of those lumias

no one ever touches them anymore

[amber plaza]

Most beautiful phones I've owned, and the polycarbonate felt amazing in the hand. Shame it was all locked to WP8. Windows Phone was awesome, but too little too late. It was way better than Android.

Had a real focus on having a usable phone first, which meant even the low-end 5/600 series-Lumias were all quite fast and snappy to use in the OS, which Android still hasn't managed.

[tacit lava]

i had a lumia 521, i would agree

[pale gyro]

So much traffic for so little news

[amber plaza]

The HMD Nokia phones are actually designed fairly similarly, but they run Android. Well, the first few batches of plastic midrange they did, I'm not sure about now

[tacit lava]

unfortunately, they just had no apps

[tacit lava]

the plastic they use isn't really the same i don't think though

or at least, it's just not as fun as the lumias

i have a nokia 6 though from back when HMD first got the license to Nokia, that device was built extremely well

so much better than my iphone 15, that device really felt solid

[amber plaza]

Nope, I broke the screen on my 1520 and just bought a Huawei Honor instead because I really wanted to play Hearthstone, and even though my 1520 was perfect for it, it wasn't on WP8. Honestly they should have just had a compatibility layer for Android apps on WP8, would have solved the app problem.

I mean, the 1520 had a Snapdragon 810 in it - but nothing to use that power on. And they were secure phones, and no one bothered to put a custom Android ROM out for it because it was incredibly difficult

HMD/Nokia still use very similar design language to the Lumias, but the polycarbonate seems to be gone. Maybe it's on their 'high-end' phones?

[tacit lava]

i think they had a an android compatiblity layer or something like that on windows 10

[amber plaza]

yes for desktop. Not for the phones in 2015

[tacit lava]

the HMD skyline is kind of lumia-like in a way, but they used glass on the back

[tacit lava]

no, they had it on windows mobile 10 if i recalled

people had google play running on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smA1O1PcgJQ

ok different from what i was remembering

joesad~1

[amber plaza]

I had a Nokia 9 Pureview, it was terrible

[tacit lava]

isn't that the one with a shit ton of cameras?

i heard they dropped support on that one very quickly for some reason

[amber plaza]

Yes, but I bought it because 'NOKIA!!!" and it was using last years chip and mine had a battery drain issue after 6 months

[tacit lava]

yeah

joesad~1

HMD as Nokia had a ton of cracks forming around that time

[somber bone]

News that likely got buried in all the phone talk (or that I sourced from the RG handheld server):

Onion devs have units in hand already. Spruce devs have one unit so far with more on the way. MinUI dev and supposedly Rocknix devs also have them on the way.

Screen confirmed 640x480 3.5 inch. Dome switches, but softer and quieter than the Anbernic SP.

Device ships with some pirated ports including Balatro and Stardew Valley but also has PortMaster itself.

Some areas of concern are possible heat issues towards the center of the device body, as well as hinge creaky/crunchiness (supposedly to be fixed in retail units), and possible insufficient bracing on the shoulder buttons to withstand intense use or drops

[amber plaza]

Look at this stunner.

[tacit lava]

ugh that one shocked me when i first saw it

[amber plaza]

The shoulder buttons are a big concern, honestly.

[tacit lava]

but then i realized they were using windows rt and i got sad

[pale gyro]

thanks

[subtle mango]

is it weird that I miss windows tablets from that era?

[amber plaza]

No, I also miss them. Now it's all massively expensive 2 in 1s or AliExpress listing using 10 year old Cherry Trail chips

[dawn stream]

I'd pay good money for a phone that had a dpad.

And I don't mean for playing games

Literally I am a lot better typing text with a dpad and an onscreen keyboard than that touch nonsense

[tacit lava]

the chinese ones were very cool since they had dualboot functionality; the ones with windows rt were really darn lame

i fooled my dad into buying a surface 2 thinking it would run windows programs

it didn't

joeuhok

that's one of the reasons my parents stopped considering my opinions when buying tech

well that and the time i told my mum to buy an xperia z and it stopped working within 5-8 months

and that time my parents bought a galaxy tab 2 10.1 instead of a galaxy note 10.1 because i told them dual core was better than quad core

joeuhok

[subtle mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/804699784098217996/1296229174582841406/doki.gif

[round ridge]

My parents just buy apple stuff no matter what I say. Then they install Windows 7 on it.

[amber plaza]

My advice generally consists of 'For the love of god, buy it from overseas, it'll be half the price'

This goes for anything, I saw an R36 handheld for $80 at the local market.

[subtle mango]

JESUS

didn't those go for $20-ish during the 11-11 sale?

[neat wedge]

Honestly, same. Father and I missed out, sadly

[subtle mango]

I don't care for 3.5" verticals but damn that was tempting

[tacit lava]

I saw an X6 for $80 at a local market

[amber plaza]

Yup. I suppose if you have no idea what's available on AE, it seems like a good deal, but it really isn't

[amber plaza]

Jesus Christ

Then again a local shop/electronics chain here is selling one of those big X6 arcade game things running Pandora for like $150 too

[subtle mango]

isn't the X6 ass?

[amber plaza]

I don't know, I think a lot of the 3326 OGA clones that flooded the market this year are pretty ass

Hardkernel will never make an Odroid again 😦

It's kinda sad that happened to Hardkernel, meanwhile Funkey S was opensource and encouraged clones, and all you have is the occasional homebrew listing on AliExpress and then the nano/q36. Where's the Funkey Macro

[subtle mango]

The Funkey part is kinda funny because I know of only two clones

The RG Nano and Q36 Mini

sucks that we won't get another Odroid Go device, I'll see how much I like the OGU when it arrives for me

[amber plaza]

Oh wow, like 80% of the Funkeys are discontinuned now

[subtle mango]

RIP

I did consider getting ther Q36 Mini at one point because it was the most wieldly looking of the three options

[amber plaza]

Oh it's a total novelty item outside of GB/GBC, all of them are

You can play SNES games at 1:1 and NES games, and it's not terrible - you can even walljump with the Nano dpad. But it's a good recipe for eystrain

But the hinges are really solid - Miyoo should have stolen from them

[subtle mango]

if they had a 2" screen it'd be so much better

[amber plaza]

Yeah if it had the Model S screen it'd be way more usable

2-inch funkey S please

[timber spindle]

Ooogly

[subtle mango]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-take-marques-brownlee-you're-wrong-mkbhd-gif-1484760614558381501

[tacit breach]

I like mine. Load rocknix and Print/acquire a grip for it if the rear firing speaker or ergos bug you

[subtle mango]

I got a grip sliced and ready to print

Just because for all larger wide screen devices I want a grip

Thankfully the ultra is the same size as the super

[timber spindle]

just as bad as all flip devices

[subtle mango]

Booo

[timber spindle]

you clearly havent tried to repair one

i tried

and this event made me hate clamshells now

[subtle mango]

What clamshell was it?

[timber spindle]

N 3ds XL

[subtle mango]

Yeah that one is a bitch to work in

[timber spindle]

the normal SP was just as bad imo

[cold osprey]

still end of the month?

[cerulean spear]

It looking less like a real gbaSP aside, I don't understand the value proposition of the flip

it's a higher enough powered chip that we can expect it will cost more, but not high powered enough to play anything the XXsp cant

[obsidian vessel]

Iirc it will do Saturn a lot better

And I would assume some of the harder n64 games

[cerulean spear]

Doesn't Saturn use analog triggers

Which the flip won't have

I guess if there's a Saturn or N64 game isn't like a racing/shooting kinda game they would be ok

[obsidian vessel]

Yeah maybe not Daytona USA

Or house of the dead

[cerulean spear]

🧟‍♂️

[rotund ember]

Yeah, I think about a dozen games support it, that's around 1% of the library

And the original Saturn controller doesn't have analog triggers, it was a feature of the 3D control pad

Which by itself is compatible with less than 10% of the library

[cerulean spear]

i think percentages arent a good way of looking at it

nobody plays the whole library anyway and when u talk about early 2000s stuff u get into the movie tie in slop

what percent of the top 100 games of these systems would be helpful thou

[rotund ember]

I mean, when it's low numbers like that, it is pretty accurate

Not to mention the games that use these will be titles with 3D graphics that RK3566 can't really handle in the first place

[cerulean spear]

2d n64games

[frigid arrow]

Basically 0 of the games people want to play now "needed" the analogue triggers. On some shooting games you could strafe faster or slower (yeah, I know, 90's controls), but it's mostly fine.

And the games that did need it were designed with a second mode to work without it anyway.

The Dreamcast had a lot of games where you do sort of need the analogue triggers. But the Saturn its mostly fine.

[round ridge]

gta3 plays pretty well on rk3566 and you do want sticks

I have been having lots of fun playing it on my 353m this past week

[west ivy]

Another week another no Flip . This thing is never releasing is it ?

Im so over this anyway

[sand blade]

No, but the Dreamcast did.

Although I remember the Saturn did have an analog controller, but I don’t remember if it also had analog triggers or if it only had the analog stick.

[round ridge]

Dont get flipped by the lack of flip

[sand blade]

Huh, alright never mind then, it did have them.

[versed swallow]

This wasn’t the standard controller, it was an optional purchase (3d controller?), not sure if any games at all required it, although I guess some like Nights into dreams used it (optionally)

I remember no one in my school had it 😅

[sand blade]

Oh I know, I directly referenced it as the “Saturn’s Analog controller” and not simply “Saturn controller”.

I probably should’ve mentioned it was essentially the Saturn’s answer to the DualShock though, just to fully establish that it wasn’t the regular controller that was included with the console.

[cold osprey]

are we there yet?

[winged bear]

they have to wait for the 34xx hype train to die down now

[rotund ember]

Yeah, IIRC it's the first home console controller to have analog triggers at all

[cold osprey]

so there's roughly 30 days in a month right? day 1 anbernic announces something, hype it for 10 days then reviewers get their sample and hype it again, day 15 it goes on sale for few days, 2 weeks later they announces another new thing and the cycle repeats. If miyoo cares about the hype train at all, there'll never be a good time

like the 34xx goes on sale today, in 2 weeks we might have 34xxsp 😂

[winged bear]

well the point is that the 34xx is a blatant competitor

[sand blade]

Well, I have heard some people say the PSX DualShock apparently having pressure-based L2/R2 triggers (like how the DualShock 2 had pressure sensitive buttons for everything but L3/R3/Start/Select), but I’ve definitely heard people also say otherwise, and frankly I don’t think it’s true (I don’t even have the PSX DualShock since I started with the PS2 and just played PS1 games on that, so I also can’t really open one up to verify).

[winged bear]

they'll probably release a mid end one next

[rotund ember]

I mean, apparently there's a shortage of rg34xx, it would be smart for Miyoo to do to Anbernic what Anbernic used to do to them

Then again, shortage is probably due to not being able to have full speed production at the end of the year, so they might both have those problems

[winged bear]

a shortage?

[winged bear]

that was from before it was officially released

[rotund ember]

Ah, okay

[winged bear]

they're readily available to buy everywhere

[cold osprey]

I think there is a shortage, official anbernic shopee store for south east asia doesn't have it yet

and no pre-order like other releases too

[round ridge]

When Anbernic has a shortage it is usually high demand. When Miyoo has shortage it is literally shortage.

[proven jay]

that was actually the dualshock for ps3, psx was all digital
ps2 analog x, square, triangle, circle button

[winged bear]

ps2 bumpers and triggers were also pressure sensitive

[proven jay]

the triggers? you sure?

[proven jay]

that's so odd, so they cut stuff from the ps3

[winged bear]

i'm not sure which games actually used pressure sensitive l2/r2, but i have the gt4 spec ii mod and that allows you to use analog input from l2 and r2 so there must be something there

[proven jay]

i do remember the analog thing just for msg3

[winged bear]

i wish the pressure sensitive thing had catched on and was a standard

having so many analog inputs would be great on current controllers/games

[oblique pendant]

MGS2 and 3 probably used them in some way

Those games loved their pressure-sensitive controls

[proven jay]

all the cqc stuff was done through that

[oblique pendant]

Also aiming

At least in MGS2

With a full auto rifle, Raiden looks down the sight with a half press, and fires the weapon with a full press

With pistols and tranq guns, shots were only fire on the release of a button, thank god

[jaunty kernel]

But still no mention of a release date!!

[pale gyro]

I was just going to ask that.

[jolly sequoia]

In the video he talk about the end of December (maybe)

[verbal crown]

"next month" -copium addicted people here since2023

[past walrus]

Something at least shipped to a small few....that's a good sign right?....right??!!! 🥹

[verbal crown]

Definitely one of the signs of all time for sure

[cold osprey]

they're not sending prototypes out to critical people, so is that a sign too?

[ivory lily]

Define critical?

Like reviewers?

[subtle mango]

The ones who will absolutely call out BS and such without a care of being gentle

[teal peak]

What is the CPU in this equivalent too?

[oblique pendant]

https://retrohandhelds.gg/best-rk3566-handhelds-of-2023-ranked/

Main one would be the RG353V

[coarse tulip]

More than a air fryer, less than a ps5.

[ocean sage]

does an air fryer have a CPU?

[round ridge]

Don't be so cynical. Maybe they simply don't have any in stock themselves

[amber plaza]

I'd assume one with digital controls does. Or one that turns off when it gets unsafe
A lot of things have chips in them that you wouldn't expect.

In before 'Why is my air fryer using 100 megabits of bandwidth a second?'

[somber bone]

Man even my air fryer’s got a better WiFi chip than the rg28xx

[ocean sage]

I'm not an electrical engineer but I'm pretty sure you can do those things without a proper CPU

like my stove oven has digital controls and turns off when unsafe but I doubt it has a CPU

[verbal crown]

Just a microcontroller more likely. You don't need an OS for an air fryer

There's always your Samsung Smart fridge twitter users though, so maybe there would be a market

[amber plaza]

Doesn't a microcontroller have a CPU? Or basically is one? It's comparing a banana to a much smaller banana

[amber plaza]

I'm old, I was on a forum many years ago where someone was banned for browsing on their WebOS TV

[amber plaza]

*Samsung Smart fridge twitter botnet

Honestly I'm surprised someone's Android handheld hasn't ended up in a botnet. 'Guys my rg353v won't play GB games, what's up with that???' com.android.malware.cryptominer is talking up all my performance, did Anbernic do this to me???

[round ridge]

None of my home appliances have any issue connecting to my home wifi whose name has special characters in it, but many cheap handhelds require me to edit the wifi config file manually for connection.

[amber plaza]

Probably because your home appliances were programmed by professionals while your cheap handheld was made by 3 nerds in a Shenzhen basement

[round ridge]

These cocky professionals. They show "Enjoy your meal!" on the screen when the food is alway not heated evenly.

[verbal crown]

It's a nuanced difference but there is a difference. Not really relevant for the point of this conversation though lol

Easy enough to just think of both as the brain of the device

[amber plaza]

one controls the temprature, one becomes your cryptomining fridge

[lilac heart]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-mad-angry-tell-me-interogating-gif-17869813

[cold osprey]

so close to release 🙃

[verbal crown]

Ah, the "Next Month" has morphed to "this month" due to the increased copium intake

Hope it's for real, plenty of competition out there now

[subtle mango]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[dusk glen]

end of "the" month not "this" month

[indigo locust]

I mean, hey, is that "Hope" I smell?

Or is My American public education system letting me down again and I misspelled "Something"

[lament idol]

Eh, only clamshell competition right now is Powkiddy and Anbernic, they’re all j ripping off the SP

[cold osprey]

there are many others, they just don't focus on western market so most english speaking people just don't know about them

[lament idol]

Can you name one or a few? I’m a big clamshell fan and the only ones that I know of currently being produced are the v90, 35xx sp, and the Aya Neo Flip

[lament idol]

Idk if I count those as competition with the v90 or 35xx sp, but I guess those are technically clamshells

[lament idol]

Not being produced anymore

[cerulean spear]

hmm should i buy the xxsp or the miyoo flip nah the smart move is to purchase this gigantic arcade monstrosity

its the most future proof

[cold osprey]

also the market for low volume modded consoles

[cerulean spear]

50 dollar modder console

[lament idol]

If we’re talking about why westerners don’t know about these and why they’re considered competition; I personally think about the pocket-ability and accessibility more than just a device that has a hinge. We still don’t have any affordable clamshell that you can buy that’s still being produced/easily accessible that can play some old GC and PS2. Closest was the RP Flip. In order to do that currently ya gotta do this:

[cerulean spear]

i saw this video

its a banger

[round ridge]

Cuz being unhinged is the meta

[coral ether]

I’ll reiterate what I’ve been saying: if Anbernic can make a RG Cube SP that’s a wrap

4 inch square display, dual analog sticks, SP form factor

Arguably the active cooling is unnecessary for the T820 so they have plenty of things they can omit

The other devices was thinking of was the RP Mini. That thing could make a fantastic flip device.

Reuse the original pocket flip sliders for space.

[lament idol]

I’d be fine with sticks or sliders, vita sticks to me are ehhhh though. I’d honestly prefer sliders. I’d love a well built RP Mini Flip or RP5 Flip

I doubt AYN would make a clamshell, but if they did and it was pocketable I’d bite

[tranquil citrus]

rg cube sp please

[tranquil citrus]

do we have exact miyoo flip dimensions?

[shadow star]

These are from a few weeks back:
#1101304832276562012 message
But the thickness definitely is wrong because 20mm puts it at even thinner than the gameboy sp which we know it isn’t.

[tranquil citrus]

yeah I feel like those mesurements aren't very accurate

[cold osprey]

I doubt this thing has finalized yet, still lacking the metal hinge

[lilac heart]

https://tenor.com/view/earth-time-pass-gif-9298440535445932845

[fair gate]

Another non English review https://youtu.be/gsx_Yc6m8tk?si=UI3dN6MHz6F0nHhk

[cold osprey]

8 days left, oh boy, this is exciting

[tranquil citrus]

more like 8 months left

[cold osprey]

the miyoo rep said it, "the end of the month" they seemed very confidant about that statement

[subtle mango]

I'm adding salt to everything they say at this point considering this thing has been cooking for like a year and a half

[ivory lily]

As much as I hope you are correct they have said this exact thing like 6 months in a row

[shadow star]

I keep seeing people saying that it’s using Vita sticks, does that mean cardinal snapping?

[radiant burrow]

Right. People keep asking these questions to the miyoo rep and then posting it here like it isn't just a "shut up and leave me alone" response. Their responses mean nothing lol

[verbal crown]

The only reason to be more confident this time is actual units going to devs, I still think it will be January instead

If then

[radiant burrow]

Oh it's coming. I don't doubt that. But asking them weekly for a time table is ludicrous. They will release it whenever they want and give quick answers to all but ignore the questions.

[verbal crown]

Yeah, stuff like this is incredibly prone to last minute bugs. I would bet they don’t want a repeat of the A30 release where it was pretty clear they didn’t have it all figured out before sending it to people.

[royal vapor]

I’m sure the first round of production will end up having self snapping hinges regardless lmao

[lilac heart]

Yeah better wait for V3 or V4 😛

[cerulean spear]

Will it come out Christmas day

[tacit lava]

bold to do that when shipping takes weeks

[cerulean spear]

All I want for Christmas miyoo

[round ridge]

They only say they are going to release something. Could be the device, could be an official announcement, could be a teaser video

EDIT: added emoji. I was making a joke about it.

[cold osprey]

what? this statement is quite clear

[radiant burrow]

Must be new to how miyoo responds to these types of inquiries 😅🍻

[cold osprey]

miyoo is a respected beloved manufacture, they wouldn't lie to customers right, all the youtubers recommend miyoo

[round ridge]

Oh I was just joking about it. I should've added some emoji. But if you read deep into their response. You ask "Can we expect to buy" which is a yes/no question. Not only did they not respond with straight yes or no, they also didn't include a subject in their response or the word "buy/purchase". They just stated that something about the flip would "be released" at the end of the month.

[verbal crown]

They’re respected yes, but the customer service representative on Aliexpress is just some guy who gets to answer these questions. If you scroll to the beginning of this thread and read through the whole thing you will see like 8 or 9 cases over the last 12 months where people have asked and been told “expected next month” or something similar, and here we are.

It’s not that we don’t want it to be true, we just don’t want to get hurt again lol

[inland brook]

They said that every month for a year lol. We just speak from experience, every month they said it was THE month of release and so far it was never true

[pale bobcat]

This is real there are videos of it being sent to creators and them playing on it

[inland brook]

I never said it's not real lol

I said we can't trust what the aliexpress person say as everything they said in the past was wrong

[radiant burrow]

It's been real for like 2 years man. Catch up. Lol

[inland brook]

Scroll up. Every month they say it's gonna be released and yet nothing. Expected february ! Expected march ! Now expected april ! Etc 😆 idc about the wait tho, and i believe it's super close. But no, just because they say it's this month doesn't mean it's this month, as every other month they said it was gonna be released and didn't happen

It could be this month. But it could be another month too. The aliexpress infos are not reliable

That's just what we are saying

Hopefully this month still haha 💪🏽

[radiant burrow]

Could be 2026. People need to take a deep breath

[inland brook]

Yes !

[dawn bone]

https://tenor.com/view/incredibles-bob-parr-the-incredibles-gif-7194125

It’s almost 2025 and people still believe asking the AliExpress customer rep for info means anything

[lilac heart]

https://tenor.com/view/cancel-cancelled-done-stamp-gif-17556553

[cerulean spear]

It will come out the second this channel comes to a consensus that it wont

[hazy vapor]

Why the hell would they cancel something this late in production ffs

[somber bone]

he's just trolling

[verbal crown]

Lotta strong feelings around here

[frigid arrow]

This is the company that was rumoured to have A30's made and just sort of, lying around for a few years

[somber bone]

I still kinda believe this lol

[harsh pelican]

Miyoo Mini Flip stonks will never recover from this

[cold osprey]

still 6 days left, 🥲

[harsh pelican]

Youll get your Flip

https://tenor.com/view/door-gif-17457390403834117909

[calm smelt]

Never too late to cancel!

[harsh pelican]

i wouldnt be shocked if they just cant get the hinge to not fail,

honestly it seems like anerbnic has been kicking miyoos ass recently

[cold osprey]

is there a competition ?, miyoo has 1 thing, the mini, that's it

[harsh pelican]

miyoo a30

[cold osprey]

oh, people buy that?

[somber bone]

😂

[coarse tulip]

Flip has arrived. Initial impression:

[cold osprey]

I don't see them very often where I'm from, and on fb group, some sell them even less than r36s

and some offers trade for some low end devices with no reply

[coarse tulip]

I guess who can argue with your evidence of a facebook reselling group. Pretty shut and closed case.

I have the crunchy hinge, I really hope they fix it. The buttons are clicky but WAAAAYYYY softer than the SP, thank god.

[harsh pelican]

yay more aftermarket joycon sticks!, at least ill have pleasure to experience joycon drift before the hinge inevitably disintegrates

[coarse tulip]

They aren't joycons

[cold osprey]

the hinge, just plastic shell or they have real metal hinge inside?

[coarse tulip]

I can't say for sure, I've had it like 20 minutes so not ready to open it up lol. But they said specifically the production units wil have metal. I have to assume mine is plastic. Like it's sturdy as heck, it just makes this kind of uncomfortable crunching noise while flexing it.

[cold osprey]

put some lube on it

[dark oracle]

it's not winning any awards but it has its fans

super cheap too

[somber bone]

Idunno, Russ gave it the "Most Improved" award in his yearly roundup 😉

[cold osprey]

I would get it if cheap enough, but no one's selling it here and no official channel

[dark oracle]

I stand corrected lol

[harsh pelican]

participation trophy vibes

[coarse tulip]

No ones selling it because they wanna keep them

[cold osprey]

and I don't feel like getting it on aliexpress and risk taxes

[somber bone]

no one's trying to convince you to get one, just saying it's a thing that people own and many people enjoy. spruceOS for the A30 gets a few thousands of downloads each release

[cold osprey]

I'm sure one can link aliexpress to lazada and taobao to shopee but I guess Miyoo is above that

the price is quite attractive to me right now, as gift for other people

[somber bone]

I think it's less that they're above that, but more that they are a tiny not super competent at sales and marketing company 😅

[coarse tulip]

Yeah, the amount of 'got some more as a stocking stuffer' messages we got this last month has been super high. And I think it's good for that. I'm giving away 3 of them myself this week.

[cold osprey]

I've seen many aliexpress stores on shopee, even anbernic is on it selling the 28xx for $35 free ship tax included, 15 days free return

[cold osprey]

how can they sold millions of mini and be tiny, doesn't make sense

[shadow star]

Is the thickness of the device closer to the 35xxSP or the GBA SP?

[coarse tulip]

The 35xxSP I'm guessing, it's only slightly slimmer than the 35xxSP. I don't have an og SP. Lame length, slighty thinner, much smaller width wise like by a bit over 10mm. So it feels a lot smaller

[serene raft]

It's real

IT'S REAL

[jaunty storm]

Man those sticks look out of place

[serene raft]

Hinge is a little stiff

Battery is displaying 0% for some reason

[subtle shoal]

is it out?

Im between black and grey color

[serene raft]

No

[cold osprey]

"the end of the month"

[frigid arrow]

End of the month, including Christmas, is certainly an ambitious date to hit.

[sand blade]

Well maybe. Remember the P60 was a thing.

[dusk glen]

which month?

[cold osprey]

the month you read that statement

[tranquil citrus]

current month=current month+1

[somber bone]

Month++

[somber bone]

checks mail obsessively for remainder of day

[silent tusk]

oh hi

[somber bone]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-flanders-squeal-yuck-ew-gif-4302478

[sand blade]

Oh shit! You got it!

[silent tusk]

Yeah it's already in pieces, this thing has onboard SPI flash which means it won't likely boot anything off the sd card.

Will see if I need to dump the existing SPI so I can clear it to run my own firmware

[hollow lagoon]

I love when you talk dirty to us like this

[cold osprey]

those shoulder buttons look breakable easily

[ivory lily]

There is a way to run stuff off the sd

Couple ways

#1317396942963347467 message

[somber bone]

He’s probably gonna want to do it on the flash for optimal Android performance anyhow

[coarse tulip]

Yeah yours has to be close

[silent tusk]

ah so I'm running my own uboot, that link is using another approach

rocknix guys will also want to run their own uboot

will need to revisit after xmas day 🙂

but was able to wipe SPI and start booting my own card, a few things I'll need to sort out first though

[blazing sedge]

That's awesome

[hybrid silo]

can anyone good with this stuff look and see if this has rtc by chance 😔 even tho they said it wouldnt

[coarse tulip]

It has an RTC app similiar to the miyoo mini + and the A30. But I can't say if that means there's an actual RTC chip right now.

[cerulean spear]

Retro tame corps

[rough spruce]

I am pretty sure You can see a spot for the RTC baterry on the teardown pictures that Gamma provided (a little circle-shaped padded area on the PCB with a 2-pin connector close by). So i would guess it has a full support for RTC

[inland roost]

Already ordered an SD card for this….

[hybrid silo]

rtc app wouldnt do it for me :<

[hybrid silo]

the thing is miyoo have said in messages before that no rtc will be included
not sure if "full support" means we can easily add one ourselves? afaik it's extremely difficult
or maybe in a future version

[rough spruce]

To be fair Miyoo was saying that the Flip will be realesed at the end of the month since what? April or something? So I don't really trust their communication skills.

As for the RTC: I am just describing the things that I am seeing here. There's a spot on the PCB for something circular and a 2 pin connector close-by. The only 2 components that would match that spot is the RTC baterry or a small speaker (and let's just say: you don't usually put the speaker on the back + there's a speaker grill on the front of Miyoo Flip).
If they didn't want to include it, they probably wouldn't design the PCB that way.

[hybrid silo]

i really hope soooo <3

[rotund ember]

I mean, a circular thing could also be a rumble motor, no?

Like here's a 353M, I assume that's rumble

[rough spruce]

Oh yeah You're right. I somehow forgot that Miyoo Devices have rumble

[sand blade]

Yeah, these devices don’t normally use a dedicated RTC battery since they usually just tap the device battery for keeping the RTC on.

[umbral pendant]

Between the sticks? That's the speaker. The 2-pin connector looks to be the battery's.

[rough spruce]

Oh f*ck, You're right I completely forgot about Standard baterry when making these comments. The 2 pin connector is most likely just for the baterry.

[hybrid silo]

soooo will the clock work regularly as long as it isnt fully discharged?

[sand blade]

If they have the crystal oscillator required for that RTC to function, then yes. Or as long as the oscillator commonly built into some APU’s has the voltage pins it requires connected to it (instead of those pins just going to ground like what happened with the Miyoo Mini).

[amber plaza]

Can't you get RTC via wifi?

[sand blade]

Yes, but it isn’t exactly convenient to rely on the internet to keep track of the time if you would need to constantly change the WiFi signal your device is connected to whenever you go out, and that’s assuming the place you’re in has WiFi that would work with the device.

[coarse tulip]

https://a.co/d/75QNNwU

Preorder for Jan 5th?

As someone holding one, I'd say to wait for review units. I'm not super confident in the build I have. At $90 this is a little shoddy feeling. But mine is very specifically a dev unit according to Miyoo

[scenic hull]

they want everyone to know their batteries are safe

[blazing maple]

They knew

[rotund ember]

Sounds like that thin insulation thing SP v2 have?

At least looking at teardown picture it doesn't seem like there's anything special

[alpine badger]

I wonder when white and yellow will be for sale.

[sweet plover]

i caved and bought the brick, if this gets glowing reviews, i guess ill have to buy smh

[coarse tulip]

Well my unit doesn't support usb c to usb c charging, so... can't hit those upper charging speeds, should be fire proof. But fucking annoying to charge.

[sweet plover]

i wonder how long a break anbernic will give miyoo till a 34xxsp

[amber plaza]

I just got my Brick and it's my new #1 device.

[sweet plover]

gotta wait 2 weeks for delivery, gotta stay strong

[wanton kraken]

White not available?

[somber bone]

Looooool spot the problem

[dusk glen]

what's wrong with having the d-pad on the right? lol

[round ridge]

I like it that they could've called the other USB port "OTG" like everybody else but they decide to change it's name so they can make a typo "comtroller".

[somber bone]

lol I didn’t even catch that one, I was looking at something else

[round ridge]

I still want one but maybe not at $90 and not at launch 🤔

[somber bone]

90 is a lot for an RK3566 today

But then again retro handhelds are always marked up on Amazon. Let’s see what the AliE price is like

But yeah with Miyoo tbh it’s really never a good thing to be an early adopter 😅

[rotund ember]

Ngl, might as well pin this comment

IIRC every Miyoo handheld took some time to get good

[frail kestrel]

wtf

https://www.reddit.com/r/SBCGaming/s/HQJGDjrA2o

[somber bone]

Which part is the wtf for you?

[frail kestrel]

I didn’t know its out so soon

[somber bone]

Neither did anyone else until a few hours ago! Pretty new news

[frail kestrel]

Hell ye

[daring bobcat]

I can’t decide where to ship it to. I’m home til the 9th but possibly the 11th and then go back to school.

I don’t mind being an early adopter or the Amazon mark up just because shipping is easier for me but I also might just wait til closer to the date

[round ridge]

Wdym it is always soon

[bright birch]

https://rh-go.link/Miyoo-Flip_Amzn

RH link

More info: https://retrohandhelds.gg/miyoo-flip-pre-orders/

[bright birch]

Miyoo Flip

#1321892456551157841

Channel up finally!