Sounds like we might have some more people joining the blue team.
#PowKiddy RGB10 Max 3 Pro
dry glen
That blue is pretty darn sexy.
versed tartan
Jdewitz is basically the frontlines tester for a bunch of these companies. Just read backwards a few pages.
youtube talking heads have their perks though
versed tartan
the dongle+adapter is like 10 dollars. its the same one from the rg351 devices. it's not completely without wifi; the device just leaves it to the user to add it via plug-n-play
weak lantern
i know
and i wouldnt mind if i could get one of those fancy slim fit wifi dongles in usb c
weak lantern
yup
versed tartan
i only have the big antenna version
weak lantern
at least with the micro versions you can make it not look like this
but man would it be great if they made them in usbc form
pulsar edge
Jdewitz is basically the frontlines tester for a bunch of these companies. Just ...
I understand , I just want to see some more comprehensive emulation testing of GC/PS2 Vs what's already out there
It has definitely piqued my interest as this would looks like a great psp machine with giant screen
weak lantern
actually now you reminded me
what was the result of this
looks like ttl to me
but usb would be cool
nimble sonnet
I assume it's ttl
versed tartan
i'm about to reflash my device with my last backup of theRA. for those who want to keep using theRA, i'll post the action script for scaling the power with system load and battery level to get the most play time out of the device.
bleak imp
👀
bleak imp
bleak imp
heh JELOS needs to get loaded on this stat
versed tartan
heh
lusty elm
I eagerly await the brooksytech seal of approval
near zealot
No wifi kill my interest for this handheld. 😒 , and not intersted in using a dongle either.
modern fractal
if anyone is doing game testing requests i would love to see super monkey ball 2 on gamecube? not sure how feasible that is on this chipset
don't care as much about the first one cuz the arcade version has most of the levels and was Naomi, i can run that on my 353 already. but id love to play the second one handheld
bleak imp
I eagerly await the brooksytech seal of approval
hardware seems nice, jelos is a little glitchy on it though. but shouldnt be a big deal once we can get multiboot working. Im trying to finish up another JELOS device project before i dive into this
versed tartan
people-getting-filtered-by-wifi-dongle.jpg
you had this one chance to succeed Powkiddy and what did you do?
the production triangle stands: Powkiddy chose low price and power, sacrificing comfort.
teal bluff
So this is on Linux but also can emulate GameCube?
versed tartan
yes. linux is just an operating system. it doesn't decide what cannot be emulated
bleak imp
I think my favorite thing about this is the complete lack of branding. Not sure if the retail unit will be the same but finally a completely vanilla device.
lusty elm
Wait there is no Powkiddy logo or word mark or anything on it anywhere? Crazy
That’s kinda funny to me tbh
Actually I think Powkiddy has done that before
I don’t believe the q36 has any branding anywhere on it
So if I buy this I’ll own 3 Powkiddy devices and only one will have the Powkiddy branding
modern fractal
oh yeah no branding on the back even?
uncut vine
so no one will know you chose powkiddy 
lusty elm
Yeah absolutely nothing on the q36
uncut vine
I may end up getting this, just wanted to see more pics of the beige color
blue looks great
lusty elm
Yeah if I get one it’ll be hard to decide between beige and blue
Shame there’s no green
modern fractal
i wish it came in a colour that i dont have other handhelds in yeah. even just straight black or white lol
modern fractal
Unless you mean you want controls to be white too
is there? i only saw grey, blue, and beige on the preorder page
lusty elm
My bad, I thought the grey was straight white
lusty elm
An earlier comment suggested the colours were white/gold/blue but I guess the white and gold turned out more grey and beige
toxic obsidian
finally a handheld in heterosexual caucasian colors
floral nebula
finally a handheld in heterosexual caucasian colors
Lol you make this joke... They said to me "yeah it's a masculine color" and I said oh yeah be careful with that marketing in the west....
severe pewter
finally a handheld in heterosexual caucasian colors
Gray pride. 😏
toxic obsidian
it's chinese ad copy so people don't really get that pressed lol
i'm more confused as to what about white is masculine
it's white
what are they cookin'
lusty elm
I’m waiting to see if this can run red dead redemption 2 like the 35xx
stuck briar
I’m waiting to see if this can run red dead redemption 2 like the 35xx
Sorry only Red Dead Redemption 1. Lol
bleak imp
@floral nebula I should have a working JELOS test build tomorrow with corrected controls, sound working out of the box and I had to lower the cpu clock a little for my device.
Was getting kernel panics with the clock speeds I had set for the OGU.
floral nebula
Roger that. Let me know and I'll flash it. Headed to meet Anthony now to get him some shots of it.
I appreciate that the emmc flash is so straightforward
analog canopy
Wait there is no Powkiddy logo or word mark or anything on it anywhere? Crazy
the whole RGB family never had branding did it?
grim holly
people-getting-filtered-by-wifi-dongle.jpg
you had this one chance to succeed Po...
I'm sure there will be more clones. Apart from RG552 this seems to happen to every open source ARM Linux handheld
Or maybe someone will unearth a USB-C Wi-Fi dongle from the depths of AliExpress
Because really the bigger issue is not the lack of internal Wi-Fi, but rather lack of a USB A port
versed tartan
I’m waiting to see if this can run red dead redemption 2 like the 35xx
Sorry, only red dead revolver for ps2, its forgotten grampa
verbal nova
you guys are sleeping on the real solution for achievements and other online features
tight juniper
I was hoping you could just yell at me when I would've gotten an achievement instead
verbal nova
I was hoping you could just yell at me when I would've gotten an achievement ins...
34 cents per
and I guess you'd need to DM me with a link to your RA page
or maybe I could just read all of the achievements ahead of time and we could figure out a way to link them
tight juniper
If you read all of the achievements it'd be a lot easier to charge other people who want the service as well
verbal nova
tight juniper
Well there goes 34 cents 
verbal nova
nimble sonnet
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/614MeY5m5EL._AC_SX679_.jpg
Don't forget an ethernet cable.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/StarTech-com-Bulk-Cat6-Ethernet-Cable-1000-ft-Solid-CMR-Rated-Black/820205102
intentional walmart there.
tight juniper
I'd ask why it's so long but it's also Walmart
verbal nova
We get those at work so you can do ad-hoc cables for people
pretty easy to use, but you need the clipper/crimper tool and a bucket of plastic adapter things
weak lantern
i mean punch blocks arent really retro...still quite used
nimble sonnet
heh, fair enough
bleak imp
Test JELOS build for the RGB10 Max 3. Probably has a few issues. Known: speaker and headphone outputs are swapped in software. So the speaker/headphone toggle is reversed in the sound settings. Need to clean up hotkeys so F1 is hotkey enable and not Select in a few places (eg Retroarch). https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GIienC53rN5e10FhNh57Nbe0wpgBTgcY/view?usp=sharing
@floral nebula ^
oh and scraping / retroachevments wont work because i dont have the api's on my build server.
lusty elm
how's the panel driver/screen tearing?
floral nebula
<@808170287241101353> ^
downloading
floral nebula
how's the panel driver/screen tearing?
it runs at 70 hz but theres some tearing in random places
lusty elm
dang, hopefully that can get changed to a solid 60
bleak imp
screen tearing is present, still no dsi controller driver...
lusty elm
ok cool, wasn't sure if the A311D was in the same spot as the S922x on that
bleak imp
both chips roll up to the same master dtsi file in linux. In fact I didnt add any specific a311d changes to my jelos build.
Just had to lower the max cpu clocks some as it was causing issues for me. Seems like the a311d doesnt like to be overclocked.
This build is also specific to the max 3, eventually we want to integrate support for this device in our s922x release.
Sounds like fewt should be getting his in the next day or two.
nimble sonnet
usps notification says today, but it's usps so hopefully not next week. 😄
floral nebula
@bleak imp you may want to move the default retroarch F keys to F1 and F2. Select and x is unweildy because of the wideness
bleak imp
yeah thats the plan
floral nebula
im hesitant to send my configs becuase people wont like them
so far so good, but my gc hangs
ill check it again with another game
floral nebula
paper mario. im not sure what compression im using
it was working on 0627
oh its loading now
hold on
yeah loading of gc games is just slow i think
no hangs now
bleak imp
loading paper mario now
floral nebula
yeah mine works too
floral nebula
cant explain it either
man this game LOOKS so good
ooooh. pushing paper mario to 720p
wide screen
yeah this is something.
oh it's chugging but it looks so good
bleak imp
if you turn on the performance govorner it can help
locks all the clocks at max speed, at the cost of battery
floral nebula
woof
i dont mind playing in 240/480p
others won't like half res though
yeah my battery is tanking
it was 86 when i flashed it, 34 now
bleak imp
480p is fine with me, 240p if it helps a game be playable.
240p dolphin is a jelos specific hack heh, same with dolphin with wayland support.
floral nebula
i think i've only ever seen it here and in the retroid build
bleak imp
yeah i think an android fork has it
some games dont like it and will crash / not boot
setting the shader mode to skip can help as well, at the cost of skipping some shaders.
bleak imp
need to start poking at HDMI. I have a mini hdmi adapter around here somewhere.
found it, ill poke at it later
lusty elm
Such a good screen for GBA
teal bluff
whats the aspect ratio?
lusty elm
It’s 16:9 but the 480p vertical res while being wider than 4:3 means you get a perfect 3x integer scale
undone spruce
Hows the battery life been?
lusty elm
whatever 854x480 is
It’s 2/3rds of a pixel wider than 16:9 lol
floral nebula
Hows the battery life been?
too early to really comment yet. seems decent. it's 4000mah
uncut vine
It’s 16:9 but the 480p vertical res while being wider than 4:3 means you get a p...
Gonna buy with the excuse that is my gba handheld, thanks 
lusty elm
I stand by 480 being a better res than 720 in this device class - perfect scaling for anything between ps1 and ps2/wii other than psp (which has a weird res and anything that perfectly scales it won’t scale anything else anywhere near as well)
While 720 would be better for wii.u and up or crt filtering snes and down
But I use my steamdeck for anything newer than psp/n64 and have plenty of small handhelds for ps1 and down
modern fractal
Yeah I mean I like crt shaders but otherwise yeah
pulsar edge
Can you do wide-screen hacks ps1 on Linux?
bleak imp
JELOS has Duckstation Standalone installed, I assume that can run ps1 wide screen hacks.
tawny geyser
In the realm of handheld gaming delight,
Powkiddy unveils its latest device, shining bright.
With buttons galore and a nostalgic flair,
Gaming memories reborn, suspended in the air.
A sleek design, reminiscent of days of old,
The console's charm, a story to be told.
Oh, Powkiddy, with your pixelated screen,
You whisk us away to a gaming dream.
Reviews emerge, both praise and critique,
Adventurers sharing thoughts, unique.
For in your gaming realm, we humbly share,
Please accept our shortcomings, with hearts laid bare.
bleak imp
Looks like headphone / speaker switching is built into the hardware, thats nice. Makes it easy
versed tartan
Hows the battery life been?
in theRA, it should be maxed out at ~5-6hrs for 8/16-bit. i wrote a little action script that agressively scales the cpu frequencies to match the system load. jelos uses a governor system, so you have to physically tell it how hard to run the soc. also, in theRA, you can set the max frequencies and active cores yourself. if you only want to run psp, n64 and below, you can run 2xa73 + 2xa53, and get ~2x the life. it's a very flexible position.
bleak imp
^
versed tartan
yep. was just about to mention that. you can set cores to little only/big only/all/etc.
nimble sonnet
We also support aggressive power management features, low power device states, etc.
they're off by default
versed tartan
you can feel it in SchedUtil mode, especially in Drastic.
nimble sonnet
That's from our AMD64 build, but everything except GPU power saving is there for all devices.
🙂
on the Air Pro an additional feature appears for fan management.
and on the RG552
(which is coming back)
versed tartan
i do like theRA better for gc/wii, because you have direct access to the cheatengine. i can actually play the Mario Kart Wii Deluxe v7 romhack and okami
nimble sonnet
fair enough
we all have unique strengths
🙂
I've been hyper focused on power management lately
I will get my amd64 devices to run for 76 hours
(and I did)
heh
vernal cypress
Is this able to do Saturn at 2x?
bleak imp
yes
versed tartan
Just wait till you see 2x widescreen n64 with msaa antialiasing
magic girder
just give me 240p widescreen
signal field
Fewt changes his nickname and I was like who is this
hexed stream
Thank you for saying that, I was very confused for a second
signal field
Jelos back on 552? Time to pull it out and dusk it off.
nimble sonnet
It isn't released yet, brooksytech is working on it.
it merged into dev, so it'll be in the next release
since we're only working on new device stuff atm, not quite sure when that will be yet.
bleak imp
still some work to do 🙂 but lots of improvements over our previous 552 build from last year. Also will have the very low end of ps2 support.
signal field
No worries. I have plenty of other things to play with for the time being.
bleak imp
games like capcom vs snk 2 are playable
sharp stone
vernal cypress
What are the chances of them releasing a wifi version (and maybe even rumble) shortly after the initial release? 👀
And was there any details/confirmation for the "non pro" version?
versed tartan
a311d2 would be the next step up technically.
the a95fx4 would probably be the next step down.
all three of these chips, including the s922x, can be found in 35usd android tv boxes
versed tartan
oh wow, you're not kidding. were they always that expensive?
the s922x gt king is like.... 4 years old now
grim holly
Gadgetversus says the chip is from 2021
versed tartan
1 year ago they were 40 dollars
bleak imp
Announced late 2021. probably didnt start showing up in devices until mid 2022
grim holly
Double the GPU cores, 2 more energy and fast cores each
bleak imp
1 year ago they were 40 dollars
chip price appears to be $40
grim holly
I wonder if it's drop-in for A311D
versed tartan
huh
grim holly
Also wonder if that kind of a performance bump gives you full PS2/GC
versed tartan
Announced late 2021. probably didnt start showing up in devices until mid 2022
but the khadas vim3 android boxes were on sale in summer of 2020 featuring the a311d
somethings off about that date
grim holly
but the khadas vim3 android boxes were on sale in summer of 2020 featuring the a...
Khadas uses A311D not A311D2, no?
versed tartan
oh we're talking about the d2. right it uses the D. the D2 is the younger one
d2 is much more expensive.
magic girder
it's crazy that two/three years ago the money for this handheld would've gotten you an RK3326 device (RGB10Max/2) and now we got stuff like this
magic girder
and yet PK is selling this for $135 before sale
versed tartan
i don't think they would need to change anything tbh. if they subbed the d2 over the d1, the cpu and gpu architecture is still mostly the same.
magic girder
depending on the software of this thing, it could be a big hit later in the year
bleak imp
would definitely need to double the ram to atleast 4gb if the shipped with the d2
versed tartan
depending on the software of this thing, it could be a big hit later in the year
yup. worth the upgrade for the power.
grim holly
I don't know, maybe it's another case Amlogic being secretly more powerful than it appears in demo videos, but it doesn't look like a generational leap to me
Doesn't seem like it plays any PS2 game here full-speed apart from Gradius V
nimble sonnet
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CPU / Memory benchmark
grim holly
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Why do you suck again?
nimble sonnet
Why do you suck again?
We're JELOS, we always suck.
ask reddit. 🤣
Just poking some fun.
versed tartan
wow. the a311d is actually faster
nimble sonnet
fresh boots on both
versed tartan
it might actually be tying the t618 with that bench
magic girder
ask reddit. 🤣
ah the least reliable resource
signal field
ask reddit. 🤣
anyone still using reddit kind of ......
nimble sonnet
anyone still using reddit kind of ......
heh, yeah
lusty elm
I still use Reddit occasionally
It has definitely gone downhill
But what other than discord hasn’t?
Twitter is even worse
Facebook hasn’t been good for a long time
modern fractal
yeah facebook i have specific niche communities that i like but outside of private groups theres nothign
tumblr hasnt really been the same since you know what lmao
i kind of miss like, dedicated messageboards for specific communities lol
cold cloak
i kind of miss like, dedicated messageboards for specific communities lol
There still are for automotive stuff at least.
modern fractal
yeah theres a few. lots of stuff has moved to using reddit or discord exclusively
nimble sonnet
i kind of miss like, dedicated messageboards for specific communities lol
phbb time
toxic obsidian
imgur wanting to do that big purge is gonna tank so many posts
faint coyote
Is this one able to play psp?
modern fractal
yes
lusty elm
Yeah I’d expect 99%+ perfect psp, probably even able to upscale most if not all the library
modern fractal
yeah this things gonna be pretty powerful. close to rp3+ level
versed tartan
I wish I could map the right stick for the ogu in ppsspp. Hope that's fixed on the rgb10max3
using that for camera controls in phantasy star, monster hunter, battlegrounds 2 + the other two games, White knight chronicles, and god eater makes gameplay a whole lot easier
signal field
Why can’t you map it?
valid cedar
nimble sonnet
Hopefully we can release the first iteration of support in the next few days. 🙂
versed tartan
Why can’t you map it?
i probably need to go into the ES profile and make its inputs actually do something
signal field
Oh yeah not using ppsspp stand-alone
versed tartan
for now, i can just do something janky like map camera to the ABXY, action commands to L1/2 & R1/2, and use the dpad for other stuff.
it's not an issue in jelos due to standalone ppsspp.
nimble sonnet
for now, i can just do something janky like map camera to the ABXY, action comma...
using the right analog in ppsspp makes games so much more playable.
glares at Ghostbusters
heh
versed tartan
yeah, that's how its mapped on my Logitech Dualshock when i emulate on a lenovo
stuck briar
Thanks for all the amazing pictures guys. This thing looks great, especially the screen.
versed tartan
i loaded up some gba last night, and yeah I also must admit it looks super crisp on 854x480.
lusty elm
can you map both sticks to the psp analog in ppsspp?
it would be nice to be able to just use whichever stick whenever you want
instead of having to do per game mapping
versed tartan
in standalone, yes. in the es or ra version, you need to premap it in the text config or ui
narrow pond
Can someone tldr me on this device? Haven't looked into it
modern fractal
Can someone tldr me on this device? Haven't looked into it
Powkiddys take on the OGU basically, but not exactly the same chip. Linux, performance likely pretty close to T618 but cheaper
narrow pond
Take on the OGU how?
modern fractal
Very similar chip but not exactly the same.
It has less gpu cores or something but that shouldn't matter much
nimble sonnet
It's almost a one to one clone, different SoC from the same family.
we had a hard time figuring out how to differentiate them during boot they're so similar.
They definitely improved the controls
I feel like they're even improved over the x55
I don't like the select + start placement, but I also don't like that on other devices.
narrow pond
Thanks. Looks like nothing super revolutionary being tread here.
Really appreciate the info!
nimble sonnet
It performs really well tbh
really sad it's missing wifi
it could be a killer device if not
narrow pond
I'm sure it does, but that control scheme is gonna suck ass for anything 3d
nimble sonnet
maybe
nimble sonnet
It'll probably be the next ports beast
modern fractal
it's a cheaper linuxier alternative to rp3+ so I think it'll have its niche at least.
stuck briar
I wouldn't be surprised if this device gets some copy versions from other companies.
narrow pond
But will the screen fall out? 
stuck briar
QC is always questionable with all these devices.
versed tartan
At the CPU level, it's like 10-15% faster than the ogu, but at the GPU level its 33% slower. If the pro comes out with the a311d2, its going to get two more a53 cores and a GPU that's 25% faster.
nimble sonnet
I wouldn't be surprised if this device gets some copy versions from other compan...
Maybe, but depending on who it may have to live with crappy firmware. 🤣
stuck briar
Maybe, but depending on who it may have to live with crappy firmware. 🤣
That's true. These companies do some shady things when it comes to the OS. That's why I'm glad Powkiddy has been taking an open approach lately.
lusty elm
At the CPU level, it's like 10-15% faster than the ogu, but at the GPU level its...
This one is the pro according to the powkiddy site
There may not be a non-pro
vernal cypress
At the CPU level, it's like 10-15% faster than the ogu, but at the GPU level its...
Where the 33% comes from? Clock speed? The official product page looks exactly the same for the gpu
nimble sonnet
It has a 4-core Mali-G52, S922X has 6 I believe.
vernal cypress
bleak imp
I don't like the select + start placement, but I also don't like that on other d...
Yeah but I’ve already start mapping the function button to f1 instead of select so not the end of the world.
vernal cypress
nimble sonnet
Yeah but I’ve already start mapping the function button to f1 instead of select ...
agreed, yeah 🙂
vernal cypress
That 6EE description is just weird as mali g52 only comes in 2 EE or 3EE variants, unless it's revised later
bleak imp
Pretty much the same chip as the ogu. The s922x in the Odroid is a newer revision than older SBCs and supports much higher clocks than older s992x devices.
bleak imp
That 6EE description is just weird as mali g52 only comes in 2 EE or 3EE variant...
Huh?
Never heard that before
Plenty of devices come with more g52 cores.
bleak imp
S922x in the ogu definitely is a mp6.
nimble sonnet
yeah
bleak imp
But older s922x might have only had 4 cores.
bleak imp
From my personal experience most devices perform about the same. Agree with Fewt, if it had Wi-Fi it would be a killer device. Still a pretty good one though.
vernal cypress
You all used a rg503 before? How does it feel in term of the ergonomics compared to a rg503? Does not seems to have any form of grip at the back for the max 3 pro?
nimble sonnet
You all used a rg503 before? How does it feel in term of the ergonomics compare...
I was one of the first people to have one, before it was released.
still have two
not really that much of a difference
the grip on the 503 kind of bugs me
lol
I forgot until I just grabbed one
versed tartan
how often do you get butter fingers and drop your devices?
would you drop a ps vita? it has almost zero grip
nimble sonnet
how often do you get butter fingers and drop your devices?
vernal cypress
would you drop a ps vita? it has almost zero grip
Don't have a vita.. and I not talking about dropping when I mention the word grip... It's more of the ergonomics, long term use comfort
versed tartan
here is a layman's review, just in time.
https://retrododo.com/powkiddy-rgb10max3-pro-review/
versed tartan
Don't have a vita.. and I not talking about dropping when I mention the word gri...
"It’s perfect." (Anthony Wallace)
modern fractal
yeah as long as they're no crippling flaws that show up over time i think this is gonna do well. seems like they got a lot of things right
toxic obsidian
if i got this, it'd be for the linux end, and lack of wi-fi matters way less to me for linux
stuff gets updates, but if it's inconvenient and not about cybersecurity, you can just wait until a bunch of stuff has significant work done
versed tartan
The baseline is it gets the job done, which is retrogaming. Nitpicking it for texture, shoulders, wifi, analog/dpad position, screen res, etc. is going to get sorted into the "not in the design specs" category.
modern fractal
idk you are a lot more performance-driven than a lot of people here lol. ergonomics and feel are important to a lot of people. this doesnt seem terrible in that respect tho. and screen res makes sense for what its doing
versed tartan
everything it plays maxes out at 480p and below, so that makes sense for the screen
modern fractal
yeah i think that totally makes sense
and i personally dont care as much about upscaling retro tbh, i dont care if my retro looks retro. i do like crt filters for really old systems but i dont care about playing gamecube above 480p
versed tartan
clones of this clone probably will show up and answer the need for better ergo and appearance. there's definitely a void to fill for that, but this single sku is already filling a huge void the ogu left.
modern fractal
yeah i'm surprised it took this long
modern fractal
But yeah the good gba scaling of widescreen 480p is an upside for me personally. Cuz I keep my pocketgo s30 that I got for a bargain around just for gba but I don't really enjoy it that much lol
lusty elm
Someone convince me I don’t need this
It being smaller than the OGU was a super nice surprise that has me hovering the add to cart button today
tight juniper
Someone convince me I don’t need this
You need this
lusty elm
That’s literally the opposite of what I asked 😠
versed tartan
tight juniper
That’s *literally the opposite of what I asked* 😠
Wouldn't be cool to have one more handheld
stuck briar
Someone convince me I don’t need this
Your name is Powkiddy Fanboi III? With a name like that I would have figured you'd have already ordered one.
lusty elm
I already have two v90s (one with busted audio) and a q36 (which is actually my most used handheld atm)
I already own an OGU is why I’m finding this hard to justify
But also it looks so much nicer than the OGU
spring sierra
a v90 revamp would have been nicer tbh
lusty elm
Yeah whoever does that first will get me to change my nick
Currently it’s looking like Miyoo Fanboi III with the flip or Funkey Fanboi III if they decide to make a full sized ‘funkey pro’ or something
I guess if we go by number of handhelds owned Miyoo is a close second now since I have a MM en route to go with my MM+
tight juniper
But also it looks so much nicer than the OGU
Could also sell that OGU to recoup the money
stuck briar
You should join the very exclusive blue team. It's way better than that bourgeois swuswaa beige team. Lol
uncut vine
How can blue be exclusive if we only saw blue ones? Beige is much rarer, so is objectively better
stuck briar
Beige team always flashing their Youtube money.
lusty elm
Currently I have three handhelds on the grey to beige spectrum (anbernic 353vs light grey, OGU is “dim grey”, Miyoo mini plus old computer beige “grey”) so blue would definitely be the pick
I have two yellows, a red, and a black as well as the aforementioned retro colourways so no blue at all
uncut vine
Fair enough
tight juniper
How can blue be exclusive if we only saw blue ones? Beige is much rarer, so is o...
YouTubers got Beige
Devs got Blue
Who's getting white?
stuck briar
I don't mention the white because I don't want to get stabbed.
signal field
DMG!!!!
uncut vine
Im only thinking of beige bc I already have a blue x55 coming and not a single bright colored one yet
Wish it was closer to gold tho
stuck briar
Wish it was closer to gold tho
A gold one would be fire.
tight juniper
I wanna get a white to see if I get an Anbernic or a Retroid white
lusty elm
DMG!!!!
If it were an actual retro colourway I’d agree, but black on white?
Like I like the miyoo white with the skittles buttons
signal field
Yeah black/white are mid
lusty elm
You guys are bad influences btw
nimble sonnet
You guys are bad influences btw
I think you need all three colors.
nimble sonnet
sacred basin
clones of this clone probably will show up and answer the need for better ergo a...
maybe data frog will make a clone version. Or maybe a different manufacture will make a chicken version. Instant buy by @half slate
modern fractal
I might get white cuz I have a nicotine miyoo mini which is pretty beige and a blue 353m
lusty elm
Yeah I have a tobacco miyoo and a light grey 353vs
Oh I guess the OG mini I have en route is transparent ice blue but that is a very different blue than this
lusty elm
Anyone who has one of these already, how is the reach from the left stick to the shoulders for playing n64 etc?
cold cloak
Oh, I never posted pics here to get on the hype train. 🧐
Really missing that wifi and touchscreen. 😮💨
versed tartan
Really missing that wifi and touchscreen. 😮💨
the big question is "does hdmi out work?"
if it does, you can plug the usb into a docking cube and turn the device into an android tv box
cold cloak
the big question is "does hdmi out work?"
if it does, you can plug the usb into ...
😩 ...not yet. It's not as easy as on Rockchip devices. I tried kernel work to no avail. Going to look into turning it on with u-boot. 🙄
versed tartan
if you can get hdmi-out on the main wire and usb/lan docking on the usb-c out, that would make this the cheapest a311d tv box.
magic girder
just gotta make sure the fan can breath
versed tartan
versed tartan
just gotta make sure the fan can breath
if you set it up on a kindle stand with the vent exposed, that would help
lusty elm
just gotta make sure the fan can breath
there's no fan, it's just a passive heat sink with some ventillation holes
magic girder
so we could 3D print a dock with a fan that pushes air through that heat sink
lusty elm
I don't think you'll need to
I don't think this thermal throttles
it's only a 5 watt chip
magic girder
still won't stop me from going to overkill levels
versed tartan
hmmmm....
magic girder
we will completely avoid ANY THERMAL ISSUES
versed tartan
this is the 50mm one
magic girder
also could be useful if Overclocking is available
versed tartan
re-engineer back plate to incorporate thermal fan mount, powered dock, hdmi out, overclock.... done deal
magic girder
now if only I could figure something out for the RP3+ for when using Extreme mode
I'd probably need to design a fan funnel thing to direct the air into the bottom vents
versed tartan
for those of us that have been noodling with the 4.9x ubuntu base since september 2022, yes it's possible, but if you don't stay in the safety zone (2200/1800), the kernel will panic and shut the device down.
i originally ran my device in theRA at 2400/2004, and while yes, it ran gamecube/wii like butter, stability was aweful. burned out battery 1 in 6 months. on battery 2 now.
magic girder
oh
versed tartan
you can technically run all cores at 2008/2008 and that gives great performance, but the a53's will eventually start throwing a panic as well. the chipset is kind of not to happy with the process
magic girder
I presume OC'ing on Arm chips is more complicated than X86?
versed tartan
easier by just editing text files. harder, because if you don't know what what you're doing, you can melt the chip, or trigger the voltage regulator to panic, or starve the gpu and turn off the screen, etc.
magic girder
ok I will wait for a CFW with more profiles(?)
versed tartan
there is a long pdf to read on editing arguments for arm, and what I got from it was to run the soc at max safe frequencies, test for soc starvation, and then use those battery tests to decide at what power level to start rounding down max output.
theRA currently runs on that work, and it's pretty self-contained right now.
magic girder
yeah I'll wait for something like JELOS or UNOS for the performance options
I don't trust myself tinkering on that level
versed tartan
jelOS already has that, more or less. Brooksy is working on making it -better-
versed tartan
yes, but it isn't quite done yet. the test image was posted yesterday?
magic girder
ahh
well I'm already gonna be waiting for reviews and stuff before pulling any triggers
versed tartan
only review out currently is retrododo. 😄
magic girder
correction, Valuable reviews
RetroDodo is more a content farm than enthusiast about this hobby
lusty elm
the jelos dev units are in hands too
versed tartan
I don't trust myself tinkering on that level
yeah it's not up for...nearly everyone tbh. i thought i broke my unit a few times.
magic girder
like if a CFW gives me a lot of safe parameters to tinker with, I wll spend many hours doing so
versed tartan
the problem is neither hardkernel nor amlogic did that groundwork. they set it to run with no voltage control and walked away, so by default the ogu was DOA.
would get to around 30-50% and just pass out
magic girder
didn't the S922X have a ton of potential but was just slapped together lazily?
versed tartan
yes lol
magic girder
I know it's not the same thing at all but it's making me think of the T310 and how that chip had so much potential for handhelds but was just never used outside of the Retroids
versed tartan
it was designed to always be plugged into a wall and always running with a half-baked kernel below spec. there was no incentive to fix it till it became a handheld
lusty elm
who knows maybe the a311d will be in 35 different handhelds in the next year
versed tartan
the t310 was used in apple tablets, i believe. phased out early though
THAT version of it had 10mb cache. the version -we- got has like 2. Like... why did apple get the one that was meant to run intensive software and we got stuck with the rp2+/3 version?
magic girder
imagine something like the RK2023 with a touchscreen and the T310 if it was like $100 or a smidge less
yes I miss my RP2+
lusty elm
I want up to date android/linux dual boot devices with a touchscreen
versed tartan
for all comparitive purposes, if the rp2+ shipped with the apple version of the t310, it would have had zero issues running gamecube + about half of ps2. that's how much retroid wingclipped themselves
magic girder
I want up to date android/linux dual boot devices with a touchscreen
we're both gonna be waiting on that sadly
magic girder
for all comparitive purposes, if the rp2+ shipped with the apple version of the ...
it beat the snot out of the RK3326 and still beats the 3566
but it could've been even MORE
versed tartan
well, there is that. the gpu is like... 10% faster than the Vita's gpu
magic girder
it's something
versed tartan
every time i see a 2+ or 3 on sale, i'm awefully tempted.
at the very best, they pair well with laptops and function as great wireless controllers and streaming devices
cold cloak
I want up to date android/linux dual boot devices with a touchscreen
Game force 2.....
versed tartan
the problem I see is devices exist, but they aren't quite what people want. There's devices coming out, but even those have something missing.
rg353v and p for instance. Yeah, they're android handhelds... not good ones, but they do get the job done somewhat
cold cloak
Yeah, gotta keep selling you devices. 🫡
versed tartan
powkiddy a19, a20, rp2, 2+, 3, 3+, pimax, odins, gcloud, xp, xp plus, x18, x18s, xd, xd plus... they're all flawed in different ways.
magic girder
it's stuff like that that make this hobby interesting
versed tartan
@floral nebula have you tried out Rainbow Six 3 for gamecube at all?
floral nebula
Thanks. Looks like nothing super revolutionary being tread here.
Really appreci...
Definitely not "revolutionary" but for $115 this is the best device.
floral nebula
<@808170287241101353> have you tried out Rainbow Six 3 for gamecube at all?
I have not but I'll give it a shot when I have time
versed tartan
i know the fps is unlocked, so it should run at "full speed" regardless of soc. in theRA it dips to 18, and maxes out around 38fps. on the rgb10max3, it should hit around 21-41fps
versed tartan
just be warned. gc, ps2, and 3ds are all battery-eaters. keep a power bank if you're going to be playing those for long stretches. same goes for anyone upresing older stuff to screen res and running lots of AA and shaders.
undone spruce
just be warned. gc, ps2, and 3ds are all battery-eaters. keep a power bank if yo...
How much battery time would you get running only those systems on the ogu ? Around 2-3h ?
versed tartan
depends on battery age, 2d or 3d, and what cpu governor/affinity you're using.
maxed out in performance mode with all cores going, you'll get maybe an hour.
in SchedUtil mode if big cores only, you get maybe 2 hours.
undone spruce
I see, thats a little disappointing
nimble sonnet
is jelos already on this device?
Unreleased, but yes. Should be available in the coming days.
versed tartan
I see, thats a little disappointing
if you're just playing gba with small cores only, you can run the device for like 6 hours
versed tartan
it's a very tinker-heavy, open-source handheld with zero handholding. that's part of why the cost is so low.
grim holly
Hmmm, so found this playlist for A311D2 reviews https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOAk6Gw_QTI&list=PLgamKJGeHPn0CS_hHVWbiTlIJvtS-UYw2&index=1
Seems like it's still not really great in Gamecube or PS2 and it also actually gets fairly hot (the dude had to add active cooling to that TV box, otherwise it would go up to 70-80 degrees Celcius
Then again seems like Amlogic chips just don't have any good software support at all, not even Android. So maybe a CFW would actually make it a true 6th gen chip?
versed tartan
honestly, if you put something like this in a portable, a vapor chamber might be your best bet to cool it
lusty elm
Personally I think gc/ps2 is gonna be the ‘just use x86’ line for me as someone who doesn’t like using frameskip etc for some time still
I’m not picky about wanting upscaling etc but I am picky about emulation accuracy and lack of hitches/audio stutter/etc
I think we’re pretty far from effortless NTSC roms without tweaking on ARM for 7th gen
But I still want one of these for PSP/ports/n64/Dreamcast/Saturn
If I didn’t already own an OGU I’d have slapped that order button real fast
nimble sonnet
I think it would be best to wait for optimized OS options for the device. Most of the stuff they ship with is crap. 😄
modern fractal
But I still want one of these for PSP/ports/n64/Dreamcast/Saturn
yeah thats my main focus here too. i was pleasantly surprised with how much n64/dc/psp/saturn was playable to me on 3566 but i have definitely realised i want something that can do those with less tweaking and/or compromises
and especially psp cuz thats a library ive largely missed out on
lusty elm
Yeah I think I’m gonna start using the OGU more, I figure if I drive it into the ground and still want an improved version then I can justify buying this
And/or start getting frustrated enough with the OGU’s flaws to throw it out a car window
Then I can re-evaluate whether it’s worth 110 usd to fix those flaws
I’m also going to implement a new rule where I have to actually complete 2 games per handheld before I can even consider buying more
Trying to stick to the same value math as I do for buying pc games - I want one good hour per dollar spent
grim holly
weak lantern
Well was still contemplating this.... but then my AC went out so rip
Guess ill get to watch people's reviews
cold cloak
Well was still contemplating this.... but then my AC went out so rip
Yeah.... seems like it's about to be a lot of that. Mines been going non stop. 😮💨
versed tartan
ya know.... if you're getting this just for psp, it might just be better to get a psp.
faint coyote
ya know.... if you're getting this just for psp, it might just be better to get ...
LOL , I am definitely thinking about this
versed tartan
it's what you tell someone who wants to play ds and 3ds only. "Just get a 3ds." And almost 100% of the time, they already have a 3ds.
modern fractal
i mean psp emulates a lot better than ds/3ds
psp only has one screen so the experience translates fine to a single screen retro handheld
faint coyote
it's what you tell someone who wants to play ds and 3ds only. "Just get a 3ds." ...
I got 2 psp but there is no battery now , I used to play psp game in my vita until rp3+ appear, and I got 3 ps vita (yeah another story)
I may just play with rp3+ except I want to collect 1 more powkiddy device
versed tartan
I got 2 psp but there is no battery now , I used to play psp game in my vita unt...
wait you stopped... because the battery died?
vernal cypress
Does this thing charge with a usb c to c cable (not expecting fast charge, but at least can charge and no need worry about any damage from it) ?
vernal cypress
wait you stopped... because the battery died?
What's so surprising? I also stop using my PSP after my 4th 3rd party battery die out, prefer to play on higher resolution, and usage of texture pack for some games as well since the emulator is so mature now.
weak lantern
ya know.... if you're getting this just for psp, it might just be better to get ...
I have a vita for psp and I have 4 psps... but really want something that I can throw in a bag or take with me without worrying about replacement
Considering the price of vitas these days
bleak imp
@floral nebula if you could pass along that a highly suggest the device includes a hole for access to the recovery switch from the factory.
I drilled my own hole. Kind of a PITA to have to take the device apart to recover from a bad flash
versed tartan
oh shit that's right. if you bork your emmc image(or it corrupts during a power surge), you need that screwdriver hole to boot from the microsd
i purposefully softbricked my unit to show another ogu user how to come back from no-boot-sector hell
versed tartan
any reviews yet?
probably won't be until people get settled into their units, reflash their emmc's and do a week or so of testing. that's what RGC does at least.
vernal cypress
We can't choose to just run jelos permanently off the microsd and ignore whatever is flashed on the emmc?
nimble sonnet
We can't choose to just run jelos permanently off the microsd and ignore whateve...
No, you'll want to flash it to the emmc.
versed tartan
yeah, you don't have a choice, tbh. it's possible to make the os microSD-only, but it requires booting the device in an annoying way every single time
bleak imp
yeah, you don't have a choice, tbh. it's possible to make the os microSD-only, b...
I’ve never tried but apparently Jelos won’t even boot into emulation station that way.
versed tartan
😕
bleak imp
So yeah emmc only. At least the only way we support it.
nimble sonnet
Probably because u-boot wants to load the recovery image.
you can see it make that transition in the code
you could probably load the bootloader onto the emmc and then force it to load the kernel and userland from sd, but that's kind of pointless tbh
versed tartan
if you're a linux user(or have a debian,hannahmontanaOS, etc. boot stick), flashing isn't really an issue.
connect device, drop to terminal:
sudo dd in=locationofimage status=progress out=/dev/rgb10max3deviceID bs=1024
and then you just walk away for a while till it finishes
vernal cypress
Are user specified settings for different systems etc all stored on the emmc too?
When using the rg503, other than the ease of switching between different cfw for testing, being able to easily wipe and restart from scratch if I mess up anything in RetroArch was also great
nimble sonnet
Are user specified settings for different systems etc all stored on the emmc too...
It will function exactly the same as our other devices, you'll just install it differently.
and you may not even need to do that if they install it at the factory
bleak imp
Also worth noting that the recovery switch is only needed for catastrophic failure. Normally holding l2 + r2 and then press the power button will get you into recovery mode
versed tartan
catastrophic=a flash fails, and then you turn it off instead of just reflashing it.
or you accidently format it. both can happen to anyone.
grim holly
if you're a linux user(or have a debian,hannahmontanaOS, etc. boot stick), flash...
Oh nice, I assume should work under Mac just the same
lusty elm
yeah but you can just open the shell to get to that button right?
instead of drilling a hole
versed tartan
Oh nice, I assume should work under Mac just the same
yeah if you have the same command in your terminal. just make sure the image folder/name and deviceID are right, and you're fine. you can use it in reverse to backup your emmc periodically too.
nimble sonnet
Oh nice, I assume should work under Mac just the same
It does, I do everything from a Mac.
status=progress probably won't work, and you'll need to write to the raw disk (/dev/rdiskx)
modern fractal
you could maybe even do it from the Linux subsystem for windows but I'm not sure how that handles disk access?
nimble sonnet
you can use any microsd writing tool
versed tartan
status=progress just shows how much data was written, so maybe? 🤷
versed tartan
ah i see
nimble sonnet
I think you can install gnu dd with coreutils, but I'm not 100% sure
grim holly
Yep, mac version of dd has the status option
floral yacht
so uhh i think powkiddy sent mine early
i got a shipping notice from the powkiddy last week, and disregarded it cause i thought it was my rk2023 - it was actually the max3
nimble sonnet
Yep, mac version of dd has the status option
huh, cool
vernal cypress
No installation option directly from windows?
bleak imp
instead of drilling a hole
Ha yes but I know I’ll probably mess it up again so I wanted easy access.
lusty elm
Ha yes but I know I’ll probably mess it up again so I wanted easy access.
How do you like the hardware?
versed tartan
No installation option directly from windows?
boot the device into storage mode, then connect it, and use something like RUFUS or BalenaETCHER to put JelOS, stockmod, theRA, or LineageOS on the emmc
https://rufus.ie/en/
https://etcher.balena.io/
the only reason you would ever use stockmod would be to experiment in the SSH terminal tbh. It supports gles drivers from kisak, oibaf, and freeglut branches.
half slate
bleak imp
How do you like the hardware?
I like it overall. Face and shoulder buttons are good, feels good in the hands (matte texture). I actually like the location of the volume buttons up front. And the F1 & F2 buttons make up for the start and select being on the right. Really my only complaints are the function/volume buttons are a little loud/clicky and the lack of wifi. A larger battery would have been a nice feature as well.
weak lantern
Wifi and I'd have probably been sold lol
versed tartan
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for 10 bucks, you can get one of these off of amazon if you need to speedily transfer your roms/saves
lusty elm
yeah I have that exact device
good times
wifi dongles are good enough for me for OTA/file transfer/portmaster etc
if I did retroachievements I'd want it built in for sure though
tight juniper
To anyone with this device
If you have a 505, I'm really curious how they look next to each other size wise cause they feel like they'd be really close
lusty elm
max 3 = 183 * 84.5 * 18
RG505= 189 * 87 * 18
so the 505 is 6mm wider, 2.5mm taller, same thiccness
when I do a really crude mockup the main thing that sticks out to me is that the controls are higher up on the max 3
which hopefully makes the stretch from analog to triggers not as bad
tight juniper
I remembered the distance between the sticks and shoulder buttons being a complaint to some of Anbernics larger handhelds which it seems like Powkiddy managed to address it
lusty elm
my math with a shitty ms paint line
has the center of analogs to the shoudlers on the max 3 at about 52.5mm
stick to shoulder distance on the max 3 also looks slightly better than the OGU
bleak imp
Ill put it this way, this is probably the best budget linux handheld to date. People may argue about the stacked shoulders but I dont care about that on a retrohandheld. Im not trying to play call of duty on this.
versed tartan
nitpickers will nitpick though. for a lot of people, the experience is more important than just being able to play titles on their list.
lusty elm
I'm looking at this being great for GBA and PSP in particular just trying to determine if it will also be 'good enough' for my n64 needs
magic girder
for 10 bucks, you can get one of these off of amazon if you need to speedily tra...
can confirm, this model is very useful
lusty elm
which honestly comes more down to ergo on stick centric games than anything else
versed tartan
"I refuse to finish God-Eater if I can't do it with stacked shoulders/1080p/left-analog-high/retroachievements/etc."
tight juniper
I'm along the lines of how a handheld feels and works for me. And with Linux handhelds at least so far I haven't had a big need to have stacked analog shoulders or anything special
But if they did, and they worked well.
I wouldn't complain
lusty elm
once you get up to GC/PS2 I can see the appeal in analog triggers etc
versed tartan
nothing in these handhelds beats the feel of a wired Logitech Dualshock. Maybe the Logitech G-Cloud tops that due to updated analog tech, but that's really too horkin big/pricey when the XP Plus and Odin Lite exist.
at some point, companies dropped full copper potentiometers for whatever switch analogs use, and all ergonomics suffered.
lusty elm
but for me if ain't fittin in my pocket I'll just go for the deck tbh
or play on my desktop with a gamepad
versed tartan
i've been tempted a few times to drill out my win600 and solder in some PS2 analogs.
modern fractal
yeah analog triggers are nice for Dreamcast even but i don't expect budget things to have them
undone spruce
Battery life for 3ds/wii/gc emulation is what I am most anxious about, as 1h playtime assuming full charge just isn't worth it for me and might as well scratch 6th gen emulation and go for the cheaper x55 at that point. Cant wait for the reviews
modern fractal
And I don't care too much about stacked triggers if they aren't analog
nimble sonnet
charging cables are pocketable jk
weak lantern
for 10 bucks, you can get one of these off of amazon if you need to speedily tra...
online play and retroachievements
cloudsync would be nice too
cold cloak
yeah analog triggers are nice for Dreamcast even but i don't expect budget thing...
Hydro thunder and Sega Bass fishing. 🎣
weak lantern
Hydro thunder and Sega Bass fishing. 🎣
floral yacht
can anyone confirm what the button layout is for the volume keys? is it - + or + -?
tight juniper
It's - - obviously
You get one shot
floral yacht
-
- on my 2023 drives me nutty
versed tartan
shifts his ogu's focus to dreamcast, psp, and below
weak lantern
Hmm wonder how well ppsspp runs with texture packs on these devices
versed tartan
i see where this device stands now. It's the new el cheapo landscape handheld you give a cheap switch lite case, and use for high-abuse/risk situations like lugging around in your backpack.
lusty elm
I mean, 115 - 5 dollar coupon with free shipping is a hell of a lot cheaper than the rp3+
tight juniper
$110 vs the $170 I'd pay after shipping
Over a 50% increase in price
And it's probably even more expensive in other countries
modern fractal
yeah. its gonna end up in between the x55 and the rp3+ in price. and there isn't really that much in that price range with good price/performance rn
lusty elm
Yeah this barely costs more than a 353vs after taking shipping into account for me
It’s actually cheaper than the 353v/p (not s)
Powkiddy has really made any of the anbernic xx3 devices a hard sell between the rk2023, the x55, and this all providing way better value for money
And this one specs wise even competes with the xx5 stuff
stuck briar
When are these supposed to ship out?
versed tartan
probably after much needed fixes
- firmware support
- override switch access hole
- any bit of wiring or build issues
lusty elm
I doubt they’ll do the override access switch hole
If somebody fucks up their emmc I don’t think taking a few screws out is a big deal
versed tartan
i expect any newb to immediately #marketplace it when that happens
I also expect the tinkeriness of this unit to scare off most of those types though
modern fractal
i think I'm tinkery enough for it 🤞
stuck briar
lusty elm
I also expect the tinkeriness of this unit to scare off most of those types thou...
Other than it having an emmc instead of a dual SD card setup will this really be any more tinkery than any of the rk3566 devices?
versed tartan
inb4 Powkiddy releases ninja turtle edition with an exclusive shell sticker on the back
modern fractal
lusty elm
Shredder’s revenge is gonna be tight on this
tight juniper
I should check if that's on sale on steam rn
versed tartan
Doom 3 is neat on it
modern fractal
are other id tech 4 games ported too or is it just doom? Prey 2006 would be sick
versed tartan
check Portmaster: https://github.com/christianhaitian/PortMaster
if it's not there, find an open arm64-compileable source, set up the controls, and send the info to Christian
uncut vine
Idk why but just imagining doom 3 runing on handheld like this amuses me so much lol
modern fractal
yeah maybe ill give that a shot if I get this? Not totally sure if it's fully open source I just know it's on the same engine as doom 3. So is quake 4 iirc
versed tartan
last i checked, there is a source floating around for quake 4.
there's just a door bug that shows up at random you have to sort of clip your way around using a hotkey
modern fractal
https://github.com/jmarshall23/PreyDoom this seems incomplete but there are seemingly working android and vr builds of prey. ill dive into it later yeah maybe i can make it happen.
i think brink and Wolfenstein 2009 are the same engine too but probably more heavily modified and also they're not as good as prey lmao
bleak imp
are other id tech 4 games ported too or is it just doom? Prey 2006 would be sic...
Quake 4 and Prey were never open sourced. Just the game engine.
modern fractal
yeah it looks like some features were backported to doom 3 but its not perfect . You can run something on android tho at least apparently? But yeah if it's not actually fully playable idk if it would be worth trying to put in portmaster
floral yacht
thanks for introducing official jelos support so quick bros! looking forward to slapping this bad boy on when i get mine this week!
pulsar edge
Is there any starter guide for Linux handhelds plz
Want to dive into ports etc that's not availabl on Android
versed tartan
i miss playing ports on the ps vita.
rinnegatamante, northfear, theflow...all legendary porters. nothing like playing System Shock and HOMM3 on the john
SPEAKING OF WHICH(hint hint):
https://github.com/Interrupt/systemshock
https://github.com/D3fau4/Helltaker-switch
floral nebula
- firmware support
- override switch access hole
- any bit of wiring or build is...
I'm not sure they will put a switch in
Or any hole
floral yacht
i'd imagine the cases are already completed and any modification at this point would be for a v2 or something
versed tartan
well, at least thermals are under control. say what you will about the strength of the amlogic cpus, but at least they don't overheat or need a fan/vaporchamber/sbc-wide-spreader. it helps software devs get a bit more creative with driver/system optimization.
severe pewter
I mean, 115 - 5 dollar coupon with free shipping is a hell of a lot cheaper than...
Is this going to a have touch-screen though?
severe pewter
That's why it's less expensive, but that means limited DS emulation.
So it's a give and take.
versed tartan
SLAMINGER IS BACK. theRA wakes up from its long torpor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9HnDouKZ8E
he's showing off the hardkernel all-in-one dongle as well. he goes into why stock OS is missing the themes @floral nebula (in theRA's main source, there is a folder structure that needs to be copied verbatim to the sd card(ntfs format) to preserve the symmlinks)
floral nebula
SLAMINGER IS BACK. theRA wakes up from its long torpor
https://www.youtube.com/w...
Yeah we've been texting. I was flashing this build to mine a bit ago but haven't played with it yet.
I've been running on jelos mostly
versed tartan
i still have the backup of jelOS on my raid from when i switched back to theRA. currently have no need for gc/wii/ps2/3ds
weak lantern
jokes aside really sounds promising whats happening with this
floral nebula
jokes aside really sounds promising whats happening with this
In development
It's running great however
The JELOS team is really saving Powkiddy this year 😂
modern fractal
this is what happens when you play nice with the community devs!
the other companies should be taking notes lol
lusty elm
Open source lyfe
modern fractal
yeah my next handheld will probably be a powkiddy... Just not totally sure if it's gonna be this one yet
lusty elm
Q36 is my newest and I kinda love it
Definitely not a lot of overlap with the max 3 though
modern fractal
I don't really picture myself liking anything smaller than my miyoo mini tbh
uncut vine
yeah my next handheld will probably be a powkiddy... Just not totally sure if it...
x55 also has jelos support
is the one I got, its coming
modern fractal
i have a 353m already tbh im looking for a step up powerwise. just not sure if i want to get this or wait for the next gen
uncut vine
oh yeah, this would be the next thing for now
Im also cosidering this at a later date
just bc I think its cool
lusty elm
I don't really picture myself liking anything smaller than my miyoo mini tbh
Depends on your eyesight and whether the 240x240 screen works for any systems you like - I do find it’s actually more ergonomic than the miyoo mini plus (it’s wider)
modern fractal
yeah maybe as a dedicated gameboy/ngpc machine
lusty elm
A lot of NES looks good on it too - the NES is 256x240 but most games have enough garbage (expected overscan) left and right side that the “crop” mode that just ditches 8 pixels each side looks good
modern fractal
i am a purist for stretching games to their original aspect ratio lol i want nes in 4:3
lusty elm
With NES I’m always torn between stretching like a CRT would or keeping the pixels looking Kwispy - Usually on x86 or other powerful and higher res devices that can do rectangle pixels without them looking terrible I’ll do a light crt filter and stretch to 4:3, on a 640x480 or lower handheld I keep it 8:7
On the q36 I go cropped 240x240
But that works better for some games than others
versed tartan
yeah my next handheld will probably be a powkiddy... Just not totally sure if it...
this one scratches a wider itch than the x55 though.
no cheat engine in the version of dolphin shipped with jelos is a dealbreaker for me though. unless you know what to look for when hex-editing roms, you won't be able to lower their vps ratings so the s922x can play the hard stuff at full speed
lusty elm
Does theRA have what you want?
versed tartan
pretty much, but it's stuck in 4:3 gc and wii, which i can deal with.
neither is perfect tbh
example: pico-08 has always been broken in theRA, and retro-08 just crashes on load
versed tartan
But you know what's interesting? if you raise the clocks in config.ini, the percent of battery left goes down to compensate. if you lower the cores, the percentage goes up to compensate. kinda neat that it calculates the battery life from the power draw
cold cloak
Well was still contemplating this.... but then my AC went out so rip
My AC so went out yesterday too. 😮💨 I wanted to call maintenance....but it's my house. 🙃
versed tartan
we set ours to 79f during the day to keep its use-time low
pretty hot in florida this time of year
weak lantern
yea im in florida
severe pewter
yea im in florida
My condolences.
versed tartan
I hope the battery life on this unit is better than the ogu. I've now gone through three batteries. Two from high-power-draw death, and the last one drained itself to oblivion while I fixed the android unit it was previously installed in. Literally only made it to 3% after trying to recharge it for 6 hours
A 7k mah battery would be perfect tbh
midnight notch
https://youtu.be/Z5QEgjN9dUM
Ooh, this is interesting. Though, I'm sure it's a bit annoying to not have a touchscreen. Is there a way to switch between Android and Linux? Or would you only be able to have one installed at a time?
cold cloak
Ooh, this is interesting. Though, I'm sure it's a bit annoying to not have a tou...
So I have mines setup with both Android and JELOS....but you have to edit the boot.ini to swap. I would probably have to submit a patch or ask the Jelos devs for a more elegant solution.
midnight notch
So I have mines setup with both Android and JELOS....but you have to edit the bo...
That's awesome! If you can get it to be more convenient, that'd be great, but even just being able to have both on there is amazing.
bleak imp
So I have mines setup with both Android and JELOS....but you have to edit the bo...
Interesting. Do you just create a new partition on the emmc for android?
cold cloak
Interesting. Do you just create a new partition on the emmc for android?
Yes, and just change the boot partition in boot.ini. But, it would only work for the x55 now with the same kernel or the s922x devices once drm is fixed mainline or with a separate downstream kernel.
signal field
https://youtu.be/RmZInuivKbs
noice
versed tartan
open up your devices and check the label on your battery. If it's a Shenzhen Honcell with no factory date on it, you might want to go to Ameridroid and order a fresh one(for the OGS) dated this year or last year.
I have a feeling though, powkiddy might have chosen the quality route. hardkernel... oof. another cut corner. burned out three of these sob's
floral nebula
https://youtu.be/RmZInuivKbs
ohhh this is nice.
lusty elm
This is a native landscape display right?
blazing spoke
https://youtu.be/Z5QEgjN9dUM
Nice 👍
cold cloak
This is a native landscape display right?
No, it's rotated.
bleak imp
That’s why it has vertical tearing and not horizontal.
lusty elm
Ohhhhhh yeah that makes sense
I never really thought about that
Hopefully the rotated display doesn’t mess up any future hdmi out functionality
vernal cypress
That’s why it has vertical tearing and not horizontal.
Does the screen runs at 60hz? And any plans/hope for the screen tearing to be fixed?
versed tartan
there is no tearing on the android and theRA firmwares. every cfw has its set of issues and flavors, because open-source
bleak imp
Does the screen runs at 60hz? And any plans/hope for the screen tearing to be fi...
yes, once the dsi drivers are submitted upstream.
lusty elm
yeah, supposedly the max 2 screen protector will fit though
powkiddy links to a max 2 case + screen protector on the product page
dunno why they'll sell you the case, or the case + protector, but not just the protector
I already have a switch lite case for my OGU
uncut vine
one of the images on the site for the max 3 says 5.5 lol
uncut vine
thats why I got confused lol
uncut vine
dunno why they'll sell you the case, or the case + protector, but not just the p...
yeah, I just wanted the protector
uncut vine
sure
any 5 inch 16:9 protector should work right?
maybe there is an anbernic one that would fit lol
lusty elm
maybe something for the 505 or 503
uncut vine
I think I just have to buy the damn case with it :/
I was gonna go beige but now I think I like white more
lusty elm
I'm leaning towards blue
and yeah also leaning towards biting the bullet and buying a case I don't need
uncut vine
Im not even sure I will get one lol
Im between this and a 552
why that thing has to be so expensive
the screen, i know
but damn
near zealot
and poor battery life
modern fractal
ya i mean sometimes u gotta minmax handhelds a bit lol. sometimes the upsides can make up for downsides
floral nebula
Hey are you guys getting lots of screen tearing?
lusty elm
Hey are you guys getting lots of screen tearing?
On which OS? I assume it’s waiting on some display driver changes in jelos same as the OGU
lusty elm
yes, once the dsi drivers are submitted upstream.
this I assume
floral nebula
Im on jelos. I'll have to see what driver the Ra is using and ask Steve if it's an issue for his
lusty elm
I think it’s part of the kernel
TheRA iirc is on the BSP kernel from amlogic while jelos is using mainline, and it’s a change to mainline that needs to happen for the jelos screen tearing
At least on the OGU I don’t get the screen tear on theRA
versed tartan
yeah, jelos screen-tears. theRA doesn't because it uses a screen rotation hack that happens at the lower gpu call level. a lot of tricks were put into theRA to make it as functional as it is. unfortunately that means it's end-of-life update-wise. running terminal updates breaks everything but drastic, ppsspp, and dolphin.
tight juniper
versed tartan
Just tried the new jelos. Its pretty nice now
signal field
Just tried the new jelos. Its pretty nice now
Is there a new build for the ODU
vernal cypress
Is there a list of wifi adapters or the chipseta inside that is supported by jelos? Any wifi+Bluetooth one works?
versed tartan
Is there a new build for the ODU
yep
versed tartan
Is there a list of wifi adapters or the chipseta inside that is supported by jel...
the one on the odroid site works in both android and linux. any spinoffs with the same chip that you can find on amazon only work in linux
above all, fractional resolutions work now, so you can force a lot more gpu-locked games to run much better. There's also better hardware control in the Per System Menu, aka you can save battery by amping up thermal/tdp control from QUIET to something higher. @icy lily might want to consider editing the boot arguments in theRA to incorporate thermal control. i skipped over that when i last touched the boot args, because i didn't think heat and tdp control was that big on the list for this level of processor
signal field
not even hiding it
versed tartan
hrm. gamecube is stuck in 0.5x mode and isn't affected by user settings. 😕 gonna have to root it when i get back from work. os is still buggy, but cest la vie
lusty elm
not even hiding it
Where is that from?
signal field
Taki’s video
sonic python
This thing looks like it's punching above it's price point as far as PS2 performance goes
But... android with no touch screen or wifi is like something out of a nightmare
signal field
With Jelos you don’t need android. I am buying as a improvement OGU. Which does a lot things nice. Just bad hardware. Jelos is working on fixing the issue with the screen tear
lusty elm
Full size nice dpad is a huge upgrade from the OGU
lusty elm
not even hiding it
Oh lmao that’s the bios splash too
Or is that built into lineage?
He could just be using a lineage distro meant for the OGU
I’ve never seen that splash on my OGU
But I’ve never used lineage
signal field
neither have I . Just thought it was strange
lusty elm
Probably just a lineage for OGU rom
vernal cypress
Really hope powkiddy or someone else releases a product with the same chip with wifi/BT and even rumble
What is the default cpu governor for jelos for this device? Can't even maintain full speed for DC/N64 it seems
lusty elm
Yeah whatever is the default is obviously a lot slower than the performance setting
signal field
It is a work in progress. The devs have a lot of things they are working on. It will be good soonish
lusty elm
yeah, I’m following this with a lot of interest
It looks halfway pocketable while giving me a very PSP-able widescreen that also will look great for GBA, plus would be my most powerful handheld that doesn’t rhyme with “beam speck”
Already owning an OGU is the only thing making it hard to justify just slapping that preorder button until I know it’s going to fix all my complaints with the OGU (the screen tearing being the only real remaining one)
Since they definitely fixed the controls, the speakers, the volume controls, etc
lusty elm
This could be really good for portmaster too as long as the openGLES/vulkan stuff works out
More powerful than the x55
grim holly
Taki's video kinda left me wondering how much battery life will this thing have with 5th gen/PSP/DC. Seems like he had to force the governor to performance mode for all of those systems. Also seemed like the Max3 could do those systems full speed just barely, so interesting to see a bigger gameplay demo.
Then again, I actually don't know how long can RP3+ play PSP — maybe not too long either?
versed tartan
What is the default cpu governor for jelos for this device? Can't even maintain ...
Try schedutil with everything using medium thermal control. Increase to performance at will.
schedutil is the governor that scales to system load.
versed tartan
One small note. Go into your dolphin config and enable/add the backend multithreading variable as 1. That will give you a performance boost. You can copy/paste it from your pc dolphin gfx.ini config. Also if you get stuck at 0.5x resolution, you may need to boot into a Linux distro and open the jelos partition of the emmc in root mode to add the resolution multiplier variable in with a base value of 1. Something about that not being there makes it completely ignore the user config
lusty elm
Losing usb A on this is the only big L compared to the OGU
floral yacht
Yessss
tight juniper
Oh they've arrived early?
lusty elm
0_0
floral yacht
Yeah seems so!
lusty elm
there's no finished firmware for them yet lol
I'm very curious what is actually on there stock
but I assume you're gonna want the latest jelos release
floral yacht
Ofc
tight juniper
It's the correct option
lusty elm
which I believe has everything working but screen tearing and hdmi out
floral yacht
I’m fine with that
tight juniper
I just realized I don't actually have a white handheld yet 🤔
lusty elm
yeah definitely
floral yacht
Eventually*
lusty elm
on the OGU I switched back to theRA with the BSP kernel to get rid of the tearing but that means no vulkan
which I think is half the appeal of this chipset
but yeah if I didn't already own an OGU I'd slap the preorder button on this one so fast
since I do I think I'll wait for the tearing etc to be fixed then slap the order button on it
since it does address all my hardware complaints with the OGU
versed tartan
It's the correct option
it's officially the best option now. voltage control is a step above theRA with thermal control added, so the 4000mah actually does go a long way. was testing it out in double-dash last night with 1x resolution, widescreen hacks, and the fps capped to 30 with the cheat code. was getting about 1.5% battery loss per race.
right now, the ogu is still better-performing, but the 10max is better-feeling.
lusty elm
How pocketable is the max 3 with the recessed sticks and slightly smaller footprint?
That and the screen tearing are my two remaining points of hesitation
I’m not expecting 353m/q36/MM+ level pocket friendliness but being able to put it in my pocket when I need to go up/down a flight of stairs with my hands full can make the difference between actually using a handheld or not for me
versed tartan
right now, if you want that, you should probably be in the KTR1 cult, or rather what's left of it.
lusty elm
Lol, I was very interested in the KT when it looked like it was going to come out soon without issues and with jelos support
As is I’m looking at the max 3 as probably the largest device I could still pocket in a pinch
Right now my biggest device that isn’t a steam deck or ogu is a 353vs and the shoulder protrusions on that kinda suck
So I think the max 3 might actually be more pocketable as a thin and flat slab
lusty elm
I could but if I’m carrying a sling I already have one for my steam deck
floral yacht
yeah, boston
couple of weeks back i got a random shipping notice from powkiddy’s store. thought it was my rk2023 that i had previously ordered. when that arrived, i noticed the shipping stated it was still in transit, and found out it was the rgb10max3pro (god this name is awful)
signal field
strange. I ordered one on the frist day and seen no movement.
floral yacht
same, i’d forgotten about it
works pretty well under JELOS, aside from the screen tearing
signal field
Did you just get a notification that it was delivered out of the blue? Or were you able to track it for a while.
floral yacht
i got a shipping notification a few days after i ordered on day 1
i initially thought it was for the RK2023 wifi that i ordered a few days prior
but it wasn’t, it was for the rgb10max3pro
i never got a shipping notification for the rk2023 (that one just showed up)
lusty elm
I think they're hoping to ship it with a screen tearing free jelos build
modern fractal
yeah once i get confirmation of a screen tearing free jelos build i think ill pull the trigger unless anyone who has one already points out a fatal flaw
lusty elm
I'm kinda tempted to pull the trigger as is - I can always use theRA instead for no tearing just then wont be able to dip into GC/PS2 as much
modern fractal
yeah fair. are psp/n64/dc/saturn solid on TheRA?
lusty elm
haven't tried DC or Saturn on my OGU
@versed tartan could probably enlighten us as to where the full speed line in on theRA vs jelos
versed tartan
dc, saturn, and psp are fine
any psp titles that give you issues can usually be hacked to work in some way or form. see any of my cheatfile posts
my only gripe about theRA is voltage control' could use a revisiting of the boot.ini/config.ini to add tighter thermals to make battery life better. not up for that atm
i've blown up three batteries. not quite into potentially blowing up a fourth in trial&error
modern fractal
fuck it im getting one
i have a 16:9 void to fill and this is much more intersting to me than anything t618
lusty elm
surely an eighth handheld will make me feel whole inside
modern fractal
this is my 4th not counting corpo stuff and playdate
lusty elm
this would only be my seventh if you don't count the steamdeck
🤡 <- me
I don't have any corpo console stuff unless the steamdeck counts as that
I don't like buying computers I can only install walled garden software on
modern fractal
i have a switch, ds, 3ds. and an old and broken sp and og gameboy
lusty elm
somewhere in a drawer I think I have a ds lite and a psp but they haven't been turned on in like 10 years
lusty elm
I'd be tempted by the playdate if it weren't a huge lead time
modern fractal
yeah its really cool but i preordered basically day 1 and still ended up in group 2 and waiting a year lol
but yeah i think if i dont like this ill flip it, if i do like this ill probably flip my s30
versed tartan
get a 512gb microSD to go with it, and you'll be fine
modern fractal
yeah true i should do that now too cuz prime day
this is just single sd slot right?
versed tartan
yep
lusty elm
yeah, one microSD for game storage and an EMMC for the OS
uncut vine
got the x55 in the mail today, very nice device. seeing the ports work beutifuly on this screen makes me excited for what the max 3 pro will be able to do port wise
faint coyote
is this one available already? or just testing machine?
modern fractal
theyre taking "preorders" still but some people have been getting them already? mostly devs
stuck briar
I'm a day one purchase and I haven't received mine.
modern fractal
i just bought mine. debating whether to get their official case. i think i have a case that might work for it already but im not totally sure so i might wait and see when i get it
i probably should have tossed in the wifi dongle too but i forgot lol
lusty elm
I already have a case that will work (no name switch lite case) but I can't find a screen protector without buying another case
bold glacier
why is this still in rumor mill
lusty elm
Anti powkiddy conspiracy
stuck briar
The illuminate don't want people to know about the Maximum (×3) Power of the Powkiddy!
modern fractal
maybe it's supposed to be lumped in with #841724025617121330 cuz it is one in name? But not really?
lusty elm
I think realistically it should have its own channel just called #max3 or something
tight juniper
The RGB10/20 devices all had one chip
This should probably be something different since it's got a different chip
PKRGB10M3P channel 🤔
azure mist
@half slate can you move to released?
