PowKiddy RGB10 Max 3 Pro

[ionic axle]

Yea, I'm hoping this one is under $150 based on the specs. It will be fun to mess around with some new hardware in a handheld!

[spiral summit]

Yes it will be interesting at least

Ah okay. Yes. Do you really think they haven’t added WiFi to this?

For me I am excited about one of the manufacturers making an affordable large screen device. I love the X55 (waiting for the E X28 to arrive) purely for its large screen and ergonomics. Although, Powkiddy tend to re-invent the wheel with each device so it will be interesting to see this device in the flesh.

[grim holly]

@floral nebula confirmed that already

[rough frost]

I really like the X55. Mainly because of the screen. As I’m getting older I think 5 inch should be the minimum screen size for a handheld.

[spiral summit]

Old guys unite!

[spiral summit]

Wow a device without WiFi at this point is a bit rediculous.

[grim holly]

Yep. Well, I'm pretty sure they will deliver a version with Wi-Fi at a later time, much like they did with RK2023

[rough frost]

My OGU has a wifi dongle in it permanently. No wifi is a definitive negative. No scraping / RA / OTA updates.

[floral nebula]

I think if this console works out well as a feasibility study, there's a better device next year.

I have some idea of what that spec might be

Once I have one of these in my hands I'll give it my honest review

[grim holly]

Frankly, the USB-A to USB-C dongle is a bigger problem than the Wi-Fi dongle itself

I would be fine just using my 5GHz TP-Link dongle, it's faster than any chip they might put internally

It wouldn't stick out, too, so I could just keep it in

[wide raven]

https://powkiddy.com/products/pre-sale-powkiddy-rgb10max3-pro-pocket-handheld-game-console?shpxid=92865cea-13af-4d2a-84f6-83629eae2a71

Already listed, 115$

[grim holly]

So the full price is $135, not bad

[tight juniper]

I don't think you'll ever see it hit $135
That's just so it always looks on sale

[weak lantern]

where does the a311 sit?

i guess compared to its rockchip counterparts

[grim holly]

Should be well above RK3566 with the same TDP(?), but below RK3588

[nimble sonnet]

Sounds about right, yeah.

although it'll have a bit of an edge with Vulkan.

[bleak imp]

Here should be your expectations for emulation. Full speed N64, Dreamcast, PSP. With some playable Gamecube, PS2, and 3DS.

[analog canopy]

that sounds like about T618 level tbh

[signal field]

It should be similar to the OGU correct?

[nimble sonnet]

But can I play Intellivision?

[bleak imp]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-woody-taking-chance-8ball-billiard-gif-9807107

[nimble sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-pixar-bad-news-slinky-dog-slinky-gif-15771770

[versed tartan]

neck&neck with the t618

the t618 gets gpu-bottlenecked. the a311d/s922x gets cpu-bottlenecked. basically, their venn diagram of playable games at 6th-gen overlap, but are loosely different

for instance:
https://youtu.be/WVfqL7TYGu0
retroid sped this up to make it look like smooth gameplay. (LOL) the rgb10max3 and ogu play it at around the same speed but in linux.

https://youtu.be/0oCavUyjsBs

[dire grove]

I've been digging into the depths of hell to find any more info about this chip but there are no decent videos about emulation on it, best thing I saw was PSP ratchet and clank at 5x Res with little slowdowns, it was however on a SBC rather than handheld device

[versed tartan]

the community doesn't really post much about it. that's why. it's not nearly as hype-driven as the mainstream anbernic and retroid communities

[dire grove]

That's true, I just get slightly obsessed when a device with a different chip than t618 comes out

[hexed stream]

Price is great. As long as the hardware is good this might be a winner

[spiral sigil]

Can the T618 emulate more than RK3588?

[bleak imp]

No RK3588 is much more powerful.

https://gadgetversus.com/processor/unisoc-tiger-t618-vs-rockchip-rk3588/

[versed tartan]

usually community reception decides if something is a winner. Datafrog for instance.

[spiral sigil]

sweet jesus

[hexed stream]

Absolutely, it takes more than just being a good product. But being a good product certainly helps

[versed tartan]

Data frog cultism is possibly the most amusing and confusing thing to happen this year. i'm wondering if the devs doused the device with brain-reprogramming pheramones

[bleak imp]

Current issue with the RK3588 is lack of good drivers and linux support. But the open source community as a whole has really embraced th chip and making good strides to improve things.

But JELOS does support a few RK3588 SBCS and performance is pretty impressive even in its current state.

[spiral sigil]

Seems like it could be in next gen retro handhelds then?

[nimble sonnet]

waits patiently for 3588 handhelds.

[bleak imp]

A few, have already been annouced. Gameforce 2 and Orange Pi

Maybe some this fall?

[nimble sonnet]

That's what I'm hearing

[versed tartan]

android runs really well on the rk3588, and there's plenty of videos of that roaming youtube.

[bleak imp]

https://tenor.com/view/tim-gunn-eww-gross-yuck-meme-disgusting-sticks-tongue-out-gif-25378754

[versed tartan]

If the orangepi price is too close to the loki zero, though, it might be better just to go x86.

[stone crescent]

Will see what the reviews are saying on this one. Price for me is a little close to the x28

[tight juniper]

PK just kinda throws everything out there at prices for the product, not for the lineup it feels

[weak lantern]

still in that hopeful $200 and under....

but the more i think about it the more i think it wont be a thing

i am holding out for a 3588 though...

[versed tartan]

I am completely passing on the rk3588. there's so much better hardware to be had for less money with less jank and frustration.

[nimble sonnet]

What's better for less money?

[devout verge]

Oh that shape is disappointing was hoping for more x55 shape

[versed tartan]

While i think its neat that there are people who stuff an s23 with 1tb of storage, attach a powered USB hub and use it as both a desktop pc and home/portable gaming console that plays up to switch and vita, I also have that reality-lens on that says "this spooks the locals."

[spiral sigil]

I use a kishi v2 with my s22 sometimes, it is indeed neat.

[half slate]

Looks similar to an RG552 in my opinion 😄

https://powkiddy.com/products/pre-sale-powkiddy-rgb10max3-pro-pocket-handheld-game-console?ref=retrohandhelds&variant=43910897205495

[nimble sonnet]

I kind of like that aspect about it.

[green wigeon]

$115, not too shabby

5" 480p screen, meh

they should've designed this like the x55

or rgb10 max 2

[versed tartan]

now now.... let's not water it with complaints, fellas. this is possibly the best thing powkiddy has ever made

let's be -nice- to them for once, as tempting as it is to come at it with the storm of what it's not.

[royal grotto]

let’s see the build quality/qc

x55 sounded like a baby rattle and those clicky buttons didn’t leave a solid impression

[versed tartan]

are we to judge for clicky buttons though? the vita had clicky buttons and people still herald it as one of the best emulation-friendly corpo handhelds

[royal grotto]

was the vita as audibly loud as the x55?

[versed tartan]

yes

https://www.reddit.com/r/vita/comments/91x9as/bought_a_used_vita_slim_the_face_buttons_are/

bothers some people. others are okay with it. a lot of devices have this issue. Original RP2, RP3+, DSi, gamesirX2...

[signal field]

who is this?

[tight juniper]

Did Stubb's preorder?

I'm kidding

[signal field]

just funny that it showed up when I clicked on the site

[tight juniper]

It knows

[signal field]

I got one this morning to and redirected to that guy who reviews shit handhelds. I think his name is Gary or Bu?

[half slate]

PowKiddy RGB10 Max 3 Pro

[half slate]

Haha that's me

I saw Russ's name when I went to buy mine

'Russ from Pearl City, HI' 😄

[tight juniper]

Powkiddy is just calling you all out

[half slate]

We both got beige

[tight juniper]

Should've stuck with my gut and said I wasn't kidding

[half slate]

The orders must be trickling in pretty slow

Just the reviewer names showing up haha

WHO IS THIS

BEIGETEAMLETSGO

[signal field]

I want to see what the dark blue looks like

[half slate]

I hope its not as dark as the render

Its a subtle blue right now

Ok Josh, where are you

Everone team beige

[bleak imp]

Are you in Portland?

Just wondering, my neck of the woods. Kinda

[versed tartan]

it's happening

the great amlogic craze

[half slate]

Yep!

Oregon

[bleak imp]

oh cool, im in the Salem area.

But grew up in the couve.

[half slate]

oh nice I drive there for work sometimes

niiice

Have family up there

[versed tartan]

so is it shipping with JelOS?

[bleak imp]

probably

[half slate]

You don't work for the state do you? Seems everyone in salem does 😄

[bleak imp]

Ha no, moved here after I got married but we actually want to move to Washington but those interest rates..

[half slate]

Yeaaaah, I feel you there

[bleak imp]

thats okay, we have a nice home down here.

and I work remote anyways.

[half slate]

Same same

Settled here for the next 20+ years

[stuck briar]

I'm a one man Blue Team over here in Oklahoma.

[half slate]

How dare you Jeff, personally

I won't tell the other Beiges

You know how they get

[stuck briar]

If they found out then I wouldn't be invited to the Pickle ball games anymore.

Whose gonna make the Bahama Mamas if I stop coming to the games. Everyone knows I make a great drink.

[ionic axle]

Team beige here as well

[stuck briar]

Guess I'm going to have to post all the blue pics for contrast.

[ionic axle]

I'm really surprised by the price, very solid!

[stuck briar]

Powkiddy is uping their game.

[versed tartan]

yeah, they're representing that hardkernel energy well

if it ships with jelos, do yourself a favor and freerun the first level of Super Mario 3d Land in citra. maybe punch your way through the first ladder in DOA dimensions or do some NFS: The RUn

[signal field]

after seeing what OGU can do. I am all over this.

This is like the Linux t618

[versed tartan]

you'll find psp incredibly nimble. even last year in the linux 4.x betaware, it was pretty good

[stuck briar]

Anyone thinking about ordering just remember, Once you go Blue you never go back.

Because the Beige team won't answer your calls or texts anymore. Lol

https://tenor.com/view/blue-gegenbauer-blauistwow-water-pool-gif-23899770

[ionic axle]

I almost pulled the trigger on blue, it's pretty sexy

something about that weird beige though 🤣

[stuck briar]

https://tenor.com/view/nb-tung-dance-happy-dancing-v-ibing-gif-17735474

[ionic axle]

https://tenor.com/view/power-rangers-blue-ranger-dance-gif-10053154

[tight juniper]

Maybe I'll have to snag a White

[stuck briar]

I wish these had a case. I wonder if my switch lite case would work.

[weak lantern]

Imma hold off... was thinking about it but must not give in....

Will be interesting to see the blue though

[ionic axle]

I'm actually pretty excited to receive this one

[tight juniper]

I did just sell my 353V
But I also told myself I don't need another handheld right now 🤔

[stuck briar]

Hopefully the screen is as good as the last few Powkiddy has released.

[ionic axle]

I'm a fan of the X28/RK2023 so I'm hopeful that PK is moving "consistently" in the right direction

[spiral sigil]

Too.. many.. buttons underneath the screen

[stuck briar]

I almost bought another Powkiddy device during the sale but I decided to wait for this instead.

[weak lantern]

I'm a fan of the rp2+ and it sorts reminds me of it...but 16:9

And dpad placement being top

[tight juniper]

So it's probably been asked a bunch, but how does the A311D compare to a T618

If there's even a comparison for that

[signal field]

I think it’s in par of the t618

[tight juniper]

[hexed stream]

I think the real answer is that both play PSP, DC and N64 beautifully, and everything you get from GC and PS2 is a bonus

I feel like that's what matters practically emulation-wise

[tight juniper]

Oh 100%
I just sometimes get curious for the numbers

[versed tartan]

analogs are inset, so you won't bump them like with the OGU

[versed tartan]

around 25% slower on the cpu end. around 50% faster on the gpu end. this is going by that GTA3 ps2 benchmark i posted further up in chat

t618 dips down to 21fps and peaks at 37. a311d/s922x dips down to like 15fps and peaks at 28. haven't tested it in LineageOS, but @cold cloak might be your man for that.

[lusty elm]

This looks halfway pocketable

Would want a screen protector

But the OGU other than those sticks is damn flat which can be nice

If the controls are good and the screen tearing can be fixed I’m gonna wind up getting one of these I think

I’m at two Powkiddy devices already with the v90 and q36

[stuck briar]

I'm at 3 Powkiddy devices.

[versed tartan]

if you use Vita Sticks and don't cap them, it's pocketable

i prefect caps because it makes the sticks more -grabbable-

[bleak imp]

Ive at least gotten the screen to turn on with the correct driver

I know it looks bad but it is progress

[stuck briar]

Baby steps?

[versed tartan]

yeahhhh

[bleak imp]

The screen works fine but its using hack. We are still tying to get the dsi controller working in mainline linux.

So dont expect it to look like above

[versed tartan]

if people just want to play up to gamecube in 4:3, theRA is fine.

[bleak imp]

No vulkan though in theRA XD

or PS2

or 3DS

[versed tartan]

true. and stockmod, while it supports oiglaff and freeglut mesa drivers which both allow for playable need for speed: most wanted and underground, also don't support ps2 and 3ds

strangely though, it has playable wii. i finished epic mickey in that firmware

[stuck briar]

So what OS options is the Max 3 Pro going to have?

[lusty elm]

Probably JELOS, the retro arena, and android via lineage

[versed tartan]

for the mainstream folk? jelOS and LineageOS

[lusty elm]

Since that is what we have on the OGU

[stuck briar]

JelOS is usually really good.

[versed tartan]

lineageOS supports play store, which means with a mouse, you can set the device up to do a lot.

[stuck briar]

That's good to know.

[versed tartan]

jelOS has a lot to offer though. their team put in a good amount of work to get it as functional as it currently is

the citra devs still haven't sorted out mouse input for what i understand, so you can't, let's say, play through terraria with a peripad

[stuck briar]

I'm probably going two have to cards for this. One for LineageOS and one for JelOS or Retro Arena. Whichever one I like better.

[lusty elm]

You usually install the OS on the emmc over usb for the ogu and I imagine this will be no different

[stuck briar]

So they don't run off of the sd cards?

[lusty elm]

I think instead of OS card and ROM card you have OS emmc (internal, accessible via usb) and ROM card

At least if this works like the OGU

[stuck briar]

Good to know.

[floral yacht]

Freaking powkiddy’s site doxxing everyone buying 😂

Welp I just bit the bullet and bought my first PK device

[stuck briar]

What color?

[floral yacht]

Beige!

[stuck briar]

It's so lonely over here on the blue team. Lol

[floral yacht]

Yeah, I was eyeing the blue, but I have a blue 405m

[stuck briar]

https://tenor.com/view/seul-friends-gif-26323837

[uncut vine]

If I get this Im thinking the beige too

since I dont have any light colored devices yet

and its an unsual color for handhelds i think?

[stuck briar]

Good news I'll probably get mine shipped faster.

[tight juniper]

Did everyone make sure to use the Powkiddy Coupon?

[royal grotto]

im anxious to hear feedback when it arrives

[lusty elm]

I have a beige "grey" miyoo mini plus already

so if I get this I'm thinking blue

maybe white

I don't have any plain white devices

I have two yellow (v90, q36 mini), a grey (ps1/dmg 353VS), a "grey" (beige miyoo mini plus), and a dark grey (OGU)

I also have a red v90 but the volume wheel is bork

I may fix that someday

I guess the steam deck if that counts is black

so no blue here

or white

[stuck briar]

I used it for $5 off.

[tight juniper]

Good
Wasn't sure how many people would remember

[stuck briar]

I tried other coupons but non of them worked.

[ionic axle]

I don't think I actually have any beige handhelds. The Gameforce Chi I got is the awesome green one.

[ionic axle]

I used my own coupon code lol

[tight juniper]

Well not all of us can have our own coupon codes Mr. Fancy YouTube guy

[ionic axle]

one things for sure the price of the unit is a lot lower than I was expecting

[tight juniper]

For sure, I always feel like PK prices based off the handheld itself and not "where it falls in their lineup"
But this one feels like it's in a good spot overall

[versed tartan]

their high-end lineup now is x18s/x28 and the rgb10max3

one for android, one for linux. i think they've done well for themselves

[tight juniper]

The only thing high end about the X18S is that chip

But no, I do think they're doing a good job. I just think that clamshell should be a bit less expensive

[ionic axle]

Yea, they've had more hits than misses lately.

[versed tartan]

x18s fans are just as rabid(perhaps more) as ogu fans. i don't go near em

[ionic axle]

I'm always rooting for them honestly

[tight juniper]

I've been a silent supporter
My V90 has been great but I haven't wanted to buy more from them up until recently

I do wonder what they'll pull out next

[versed tartan]

i just started chapter 4 in Shining Force(gba) on my v90.

played through chapter 3 when the power was out today

[signal field]

It will be more like the RK3366 devices with android and Linux. You might have to load lineage yourself using your PC and a usb cord. I am not 100% in this. JelOS works great on the OGS. Would suggest just using Jelos but that’s just me

[cold cloak]

x18s fan here....and it's been months and my hinge hasn't broken like the other t618 clamshell.

[signal field]

I had a X18s since day one. After messing around with it I knew the t618 would be a great SOC

[lusty elm]

I wish powkiddy would do an x18s with improved controls like they seem to be doing to the OGU

And get gamma to do the OS lol

[floral nebula]

Powkiddy is 100% interested in finding a way to do a 3588 handheld.

[rough frost]

You're my boy blue!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfaa0Sjczik

[tight juniper]

For some reason Powkiddy seems to be the next best company for hinged handhelds for absolutely no reason

[signal field]

They tried that and failed

[bold glacier]

480p??

couldnt it be like vita screen res?

[bleak imp]

854x480 is almost the exact same aspect ratio as the vita display. Not that it really matters as this device is to weak to emulate the Vita but should be close enough for 2x PSP emulation.

[spiral sigil]

Looks like it's a motorola Droid X or sony experia screen

[bleak imp]

Probably the same, Hard Kernel and Powkiddy have been using this panel for years. (Odroid Go Super & Ultra, RGB10 Max & Max2).

[lusty elm]

480p integer scales GBA and is native res for GC/PS2

it has some advantages over 720

[bleak imp]

Also less pixels = easier to emulate on

generally

[lusty elm]

portmaster and running shaders on 8/16 bit stuff is the only place where I think going to 720 might be a benefit personally

[undone spruce]

Are these 5in ? They don't seem to match. The closest I found was the screen of the Micromax Canvas 2 A110, which has same resolution, is 5" and is IPS

[floral nebula]

I've asked for the specific part number for the display

[bleak imp]

If its the same as the Odroid Go Super / Ultra then it would be the elida kd50t048a, which is a variant of the sitronix st7701.

[versed tartan]

2x nintendo ds is going to be pretty beautiful on this device

[modern fractal]

yeah im thinking about this. probably gonna wait for reviews first i guess but its tempting

wish it had wifi but i think i can live without

[tight juniper]

Don't worry
You can always have a professional solder it on

[grim holly]

Didn't the original RK2023 have the unpopulated pads for the Wi-Fi chip?

I mean, if so, the first teardown for Max3 will probably tell us how likely is the Wi-Fi revision

[tight juniper]

$110 for the Powkiddy RGB10 Max 3 Pro
$125 for the Powkiddy RGB10 Max 3 Pro Plus Wi-Fi

[analog quiver]

So tempted by this. On the one hand I already have the x28, and it's hard to justify buying another device so soon after. On the other hand, the enthusiasm some people have for the OGU + a better OS is awfully enticing. Hopefully they get the units out to RGC and others soon and we can get reviews.

[lusty elm]

yeah I wanna know if they've actually fixed the things that keeps my OGU in its case

[tight juniper]

I will personally be waiting for reviews, but it's on my list

[verbal nova]

I love how PK is foregoing wifi on shit in 2023.

https://tenor.com/view/dodgeball-strategy-bold-tactics-gif-9166664

[versed tartan]

for the price, there isn't a better option for playing ps2 stuff on the pooper (like gta3)

[bleak imp]

Jelos for the RG351P can play re3 / reVC. Just saying...

[versed tartan]

yeah, i keep meaning to test that out. i have re3/vc on everything else but my rk3326

just like i keep a gemrb install of bg1+2 and iwd1+2 on a thumb drive in my backpack in case i get a hankerin for some D&D

[floral nebula]

Yes.

[floral nebula]

I'll provide that as soon as I have it next week

Or whenever it comes in. You never know how long customs is gonna take around here

[floral yacht]

Anyone know what type of sticks are in this? Wondering if I should expect drift after some time.

[modern fractal]

I think if it was hall sticks it would have been mentioned so it probably isn't?

[floral yacht]

that's what i figured, but a boy can dream

[stuck briar]

Probably wouldn't be too hard to swap hall sticks in if drift starts to happen.

[versed tartan]

ogu has hall stick support if you don't mind vita sticks

[signal field]

I think Hall sticks are over rated.

[pulsar edge]

What is the advantage of this over a rp3+

[hexed stream]

Cheaper, linux

Maybe the screen and size fits you better

[pulsar edge]

What's the advantage of Linux in the comparison?

The price difference is not that big

[nimble sonnet]

If you don't like something, you can change it.

It's generally easier to use.

[pulsar edge]

Does Linux means better emulation performance in this than rp3+?

[signal field]

Some people like Linux better to use.

[nimble sonnet]

not necessarily

[pulsar edge]

So there's no difference really other than price

Unless this has worse emulation performance

[hexed stream]

Linux, with it's general UI, I find better and easier to use

[uncut vine]

I like linux 🙂

Its easier to set up

[pulsar edge]

What do you mean easier to use?easier to emulate games?

[lusty elm]

cheaper, linux, no hiding start and select around the side, front firing speakers

no stacked shoulders may mean it's actually more pocketable

[hexed stream]

With shipping included, it's also a $50 difference to me. 1/3 of the RP3+ retail price. That's a large differencd

[pulsar edge]

You're right

[lusty elm]

yeah, powkiddy having free shipping and coupons is amazing

[pulsar edge]

But generally I spend 95% of my time on a handheld playing games so UI/Linux/android is meaningless to me

Just wanna know if it will have better emulation performance

[hexed stream]

Should be similar

[pulsar edge]

So kinda wanna know what 'easier to use' means when in terms of emulation fo games

[pulsar edge]

That's good then

[nimble sonnet]

power on or wake from sleep. Select game. Select load save or start a new game. Press button. Have game.

🙂

[modern fractal]

This should have portmaster too right?

[nimble sonnet]

yep

[uncut vine]

Dont need to install emulators and set up a frontend like daijisho, which is fine after the fact but still some extra work

It was fun the first time I did it but Im not sure if I wanna do that again lol

[undone spruce]

Will there be 2 versions of this handheld (like for the max 2) ? I remember reading something like this but not sure

[modern fractal]

"max 3 pro" implies there might be something lower powered in this same form factor?

[weak lantern]

Honestly I don't get people saying it's difficult with android

Yes I get it... linux is "oh so easy" because of the community devs who have done all the work for you... but android isn't all that much harder to setup

[floral yacht]

dunno man, i just went through the process of installing GammaOS on my 405M, and having to download a ton of emulators through the playstore, configuring each and every one, and tweaking games and such is pretty tedious

[weak lantern]

Yea and I setup LineageOS on my RP2+, setup sync to backup my configuration and saves and setup daijisho which compared to the old guide I worte a decade ago made life way easier

It's literally down to download emulators, do some initial setup and set file paths.... yes those turnkey linux images done by devs of the community that have all of that done for you make it easier but it's not making it inherently better...

Infact android also does have some positives... see: functional sleep states

Not saying everything should be android based but I'm also not going to knock a device if it runs android either

Also not trying to turn this isn't a fight or anything just got tired of seeing people trash on android lately

[nimble sonnet]

how is it not inherently better?

something not being easier also doesn't mean it's bad.

we have functional sleep states

although, the OGU is currently the one device where that is broken. 😄

[weak lantern]

Ive seen too many where the sleeps states have a rather hackish workaround or are straight up broken

[nimble sonnet]

You probably shouldn't make statements like "see: functional sleep states" where you're also trying to make an argument that people are trashing something that they're not trashing.

[nimble sonnet]

"I've seen" is not evidence

it's a feeling

feelings aren't facts

[weak lantern]

I already see where this is going and again not trying to turn this into a fight

[nimble sonnet]

please use fact based evidence if you're going to make statements like that, and do your research first.

I'm not trying to fight with you

just pointing out that you did the thing you're blaming others of doing to support your own case.

🙂

[modern fractal]

I have games for more platforms than the average person I think and doing emu and path setup for 20+ platforms sucks

plus having some sane device specific default configs is very nice too

[pulsar edge]

Sounds like some of you guys value menu and set up Vs actually playing games

What's the point of these devices if how well the games run isn't the absolute most important part

Set-up time takes like 0.001% of the total time youd spend playing games

[nimble sonnet]

Let's say your playing a game on one device, and you want to resume that game on another device. How would you set this up simply in Android?

With JELOS, you can turn on SyncThing on both devices, tell the devices to sync over the web interface, and never have to think about it again.

[pulsar edge]

Wow you guys do that? That's crazy lol

[nimble sonnet]

yes

[pulsar edge]

Fair enough

[nimble sonnet]

I do that all the time

🙂

[pulsar edge]

I guess it has its niche

[nimble sonnet]

There are all sorts of things that we've done to make life simpler for people who use these devices, it's a lot more than just set up. You're right that set up is a small amount of time.

unless you have 20+ systems

then it's pretty complex

unless you're using something like ArkOS or JELOS where you just copy your games and play.

[pulsar edge]

Would Linux run the games better than android?

[nimble sonnet]

they run about the same

[pulsar edge]

Cool

[nimble sonnet]

Android has the benefit of native Android games

Linux has the benefit of ports

[pulsar edge]

Never delved into ports

[nimble sonnet]

they both have their strengths.

[pulsar edge]

Might do if I get this

[weak lantern]

i mean you can do that on android too... thats nothing new... i just treat these devices as they are regardless of if they run android or linux

[grim holly]

I feel like we just need a Russ video or something on Android vs Linux

[weak lantern]

i was just frustrated lately at seeing people make comments about how linux or nothing or how android sucks when both are fine

[nimble sonnet]

I didn't say you couldn't. I said asked how you would do it simply.

[weak lantern]

well you have syncthing on android too

[nimble sonnet]

is it there by default, and available with the press of a button

no, it's more complex than that

which doesn't make it worse

just less simple

[grim holly]

I mean, “why is Linux better than Android” to me sounds pretty much like “why is iOS better than Android”. They’re just different

[weak lantern]

yes but once its setup you arent going through that setup again

once setup its setup

[nimble sonnet]

unless you update and have to reflash, but that's not an Android problem it's a vendor delivery problem.

[weak lantern]

but its not like its so painful that you need a degree in compsi

again my problem was just people either hating or ignoring a device because "linux or nothing" or "android sucks"... thats all and i wont go further... just gonna go lurk mode because this is feeling like a "things you shouldnt discuss in the workplace"... religion, politics and retro handheld os choice

[nimble sonnet]

I don't think I've seen anyone hating on Android, unless maybe I missed it.

[grim holly]

I mean, it’s fine to not like a device because of the OS it runs. That’s personal preference

[grim holly]

“Hate” is a strong word, but I wouldn’t want to spend my own money on an Android-only device. Don’t know why that would be controversial

[undone spruce]

If performance is the only thing that matters and ease of use / "feel" of the device doesnt matter you could always just use your phone + controller, that way you are sure to get that reverred performance

[pulsar edge]

I do this already for PS2, 3ds and above

Waiting for a dedicated handheld that can do it was wondering if this was more capable than rp3+

[grim holly]

I don’t think so

[lusty elm]

my reason for not using android is I refuse to connect a closed source firmware made by anbernic's lowest bidder to my home wifi

that is a huge security concern

[pulsar edge]

That's a very good point

[lusty elm]

especially in light of the android tv boxes coming with preloaded malware

probably wasn't even put there by the manufacturer

just some unscrupulous contractor did it and then other manufacturers stole their firmware image without realizing it had malware in it

I have zero concerns with gammaOS for the 405m

[nimble sonnet]

One of the best parts of open source is that you can audit it.

[weak lantern]

point taken

and i agree with that

[lusty elm]

I'm fine with android as long as its open source android

[weak lantern]

and i really hate how these companies really cock block you from improvements

[lusty elm]

I have a slight preference for linux but not enough to stop me from buying a device that's android only

[weak lantern]

^

i main linux because development on linux is just easier on me but i also have to use windows so im fine with both

[lusty elm]

but I like that this device lets me avoid buying an android device so all my shit can work the same

gammaOS fixed all my dealbreakers with the 405m other than it being kinda expensive for my budget and not wanting to give anbernic money though

whereas before the crappy closed source android build was a hard no

[weak lantern]

RP2+ also having lineage is nice

[lusty elm]

True

If I found a good deal on a used one locally I’d probably grab one

If the flip had lineage and didn’t self destruct I’d probably have one of those, I’m a sucker for clamshells

[pulsar edge]

Let's hope this one is very 'free' with the software side of things

[nimble sonnet]

It is.

[pulsar edge]

I can definitely see the benefits now

[nimble sonnet]

It should ship with JELOS

We're still waiting for devices and source changes, but that's ok since it hasn't shipped yet.

[pulsar edge]

But not sure for my personal usecase I'd compromise performance for it, but I can definitely get on board with the ethos of it

[nimble sonnet]

It'll be their third fully open source device in less than a year.

Huge progress tbh.

[weak lantern]

And im glad to see that

And I really hope it becomes the norm eventually

[pulsar edge]

How do you guys get powkiddy discount codes?

[lusty elm]

They usually put them right on their site during sales etc

There’s basically always a $5 off one

And then sometimes stronger ones for specific products

[modern fractal]

yeah im gonna wait for reviews on this one but im thinking about it. nothing i have yet is widescreen and i want to dive into the psp library, as well as get better n64/dc than 353. any gc/ps2 games that play well would be a bonus

and yeah i have a linux preference so this being linux and cheaper than rp3+ is pretty appealing

[weak lantern]

That's basically what I'm waiting on... though I do want to play ps2/gc titles

[modern fractal]

yeah i mean id be happy to play some that work but im keeping my expectations in check about that, its not the main purpose

[weak lantern]

True

PSP is a big one for me as that's the platform I do most the work on lol

[modern fractal]

ive barely played any psp games, i never owned one. ive emulated a few games on pc or on my phone but yeah i wanna dive into the library. was debating whether to get an actual psp but i think just getting a widescreen retro handheld with enough power makes more sense for me

[weak lantern]

Probably

I use my vita for debugging and testing and technically could use that as my emulation machine to take with me but I'll never get another at the price I got it...

And I can't afford to replace it either so it just stays at my desk lol

[fading summit]

I still can’t understand why if they chose to put no Wi-Fi on this, they wouldn’t use a USB A port so a low profile Wi-Fi dongle could be used. I don’t see any low profile type C wifi adapaters out there yet

[modern fractal]

are there no usb-c wifi dongles

[grim holly]

Don’t think so, or at least they are fairly uncommon

[modern fractal]

yeah i guess everything has onboard wifi in the usb-c era

but yeah i think no wifi isnt a dealbreaker for me. its nice to have and retroachievements is kind of neat but im not like, attached to it. and i often use these devices where i dont have wifi anyway

[floral yacht]

only need for wifi is like jelos OTA updates

[modern fractal]

yeah. and on my 353 i use it to copy files without taking out the sd card but its not that big of a deal

[pulsar edge]

Powkiddy website literally recommends this for this device

https://powkiddy.com/products/powkiddy-rk2023-wifi-adapter-otg-adapter

[nimble sonnet]

retroachievements too.

[grim holly]

Well, file transfers, scraping, cloud saves all require network too

[nimble sonnet]

sure, yeah

oh, device sync

[grim holly]

But yeah, I understand that most people probably just upload full pre-scraped romsets

[nimble sonnet]

I even sync my steam deck with my other handhelds, not having WIFI will be a bit of a pain.

😄

[weak lantern]

^

Really thought it was weird to not do wifi too...

[grim holly]

And yeah, if they just kept the USB-A port, it would be so much better

You could just keep the Wi-Fi dongle in and use something a lot better than what most of these devices have

[midnight notch]

Can't wait for PowKiddy RGB10 Max 3 Pro WiFi Edition. I really think they're trying to make the longest handheld name ever.

[modern fractal]

honestly i dont really even scrape

but yeah i would prescrape if i really wanted the pictures

[cold cloak]

Think I will just tether to my phone verses the wifi adapter tower.

[hexed crane]

They could make it a little longer

[cold cloak]

Does Jelos support rndis tethering? @nimble sonnet

[hexed crane]

Who knows if they’ll stop self destructing, but flips will probably get two types of cfw eventually

[nimble sonnet]

We haven't finished work on it

that and point to point wireless connectivity are on my to-do list

as much as we've released, there are still 1,000,000 things on my to-do list tho

XD

We can always use extra help if you're up for it @cold cloak ❤️

[cold cloak]

I was just about to make a joke that you could use some help from your prior post. 😮‍💨 One of these days....I'm going to submit a pull request. 🫡

[nimble sonnet]

We'll be here when you're ready. ❤️

[modern fractal]

yeah if i get this ill take a look and see what i can do to help out with jelos but i only have a little bit of sbc dev experience and that was mostly just... writing python code for a small board lol. im a database dev mostly now

[nimble sonnet]

You don't need tons of experience

Best to find an itch to scratch, and then figure out how to scratch it. 😄

[bleak imp]

How I started working on JELos. 😎

[nimble sonnet]

same

heh

[weak lantern]

I play the best game.... the one where I don't actually play games but rather reverse them

[nimble sonnet]

ahh yes, that's like my favorite game, vi.

[weak lantern]

I unno it just clicked with me and I found more fun figuring out how games worked code wise than actually playing them lol

[nimble sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-admiral-ackbar-its-a-trap-meme-gif-8125029

[modern fractal]

yeah fair. im an arkos user now lol but next time i have an issue there ill see if i can fix it myself

[weak lantern]

If you mean digging through various architecture specific instructions and learning how the systems themselves work it sure is a trap

Never trust the emulators...

Wrote an entire modloader for a game and when I tested on real hardware stuff broke

When i looked into it I found out that cpu caches on the emulator were ignored

But on real hardware actually do matter

Ended up rewriting it :V

[modern fractal]

yeah idk if im capable of that lol but i might try. might get my feet wet with arm stuff by attempting a portmaster contribution idk

[weak lantern]

I havent dabbled in any linux based handhelds lately other than reading snippets here and there but it surely can't be as bad as it was back with the JZ based devices....

Tegra and JZ based devices are on my "never touching again" list

[floral nebula]

Heyo actually this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ttxapps.drivesync

There's one for dropbox and other services too

[undone spruce]

How does the a311d compare to the s922x of the OGU ? I have seen conflicting results ; on geekbench scores the s922x seems to outperform it but in some vids (like eta prime's review of the khadas vim 3) its the opposite.

[cold cloak]

Seems like we'll have to wait and see. I saw a report that the ram, bus, and clock speeds of the a311d were higher. Also it depends on the chip revision of the s922x like the N2 vs N2+ chip. Then it depends on what you're running. CPU or GPU focused.

It's for sure going to be the currently best Linux handheld on performance and battery life.

[lusty elm]

The s922x has more gpu cores but not everything is gonna be able to use that many gpu cores

The a311d has the npu but it remains to be seen if that will have any use in a retro handheld

99% of the time they’re gonna be the same I think

[signal field]

I think it will be super close in performance. Close to a t618 also. Just the Linux side is exiting to me

[modern fractal]

yeah. plus the price is exciting too tbh

[stuck briar]

I wonder if Anbernic is going to do a version of this?

[bleak imp]

If they do don’t expect JELOS support.

[nimble sonnet]

^

[lusty elm]

Yeah anbernic would need to repair their relationship with the FOSS community to make good Linux devices again I think

Unless they actually paid someone to make firmware for them

Even then if it isn’t open source I am not using it

[stuck briar]

True, I forgot about that.

[versed tartan]

anbernic would probably take the android route, give it a touchscreen, 4gb ram, and make it a semi-premium device since it can do most of playstore

[lusty elm]

It would be odd to do that when they already have that device in t618

[floral nebula]

oh guys this one is a chubby one

feels good tho. will post photos in a moment

nothing on mine so no testing til later, but it fires up to The RA. I know they want to ship it with JELOS too

[royal grotto]

similar to rgb max 1?

[floral nebula]

yeah a bit but bigger

[uncut vine]

Nice pics!

Looks great with the blue

[modern fractal]

what's the mouthfeel like

[magic girder]

the real questions

[versed tartan]

i hope battery management is better

[grim holly]

I just realised the chin with a bunch of function buttons is kind of like PSP

Really curious to see gameplay demos, particularly PSP and Saturn

[versed tartan]

this just makes things more interesting

the A311D is better at raw non-floating-point calculations and has lower scores otherwise despite having faster ram, cpu, bus, and gpu speeds. that said, it has much better QoL features: 5ghz wifi, b/t 5 instead of 4, better video processing, etc.

[bleak imp]

those benchmarks are crap

[versed tartan]

yeah. it needs some side-by-side gameplay comparison.

[bleak imp]

people like to point them as gospel and most of the time they are wrong or were done on a broken os

[versed tartan]

Mario Tennis(n64) 2x widescreen hack benchmark. that'll reveal the truth

[sharp stone]

Why are you doing this to me

[pulsar edge]

Any gameplay vids yet?

[floral nebula]

Not yet. As far as I know I'm the only one with a unit for the next few days. I haven't had time to set it up and it wouldn't do any good anyway. Mine has the ra installed to the emmc. Steve has a unit on the way so He can work on that but performance under the ra is not going to be as good as JELOS.

I haven't done the tear down yet either but I'll try to get that done

[nimble sonnet]

Hopefully ours arrive soon 🙂

[floral nebula]

Nono. Today I've been obsessed with this 25$ android mp3 player

I mean... They disabled the wifi

They didn't rip it out...

Mtk6582

Getting the scatter was pretty trivial but the rom won't read back yet. Some shit about dram mismatch

Also rebuilt this today:

So the max3 is in the que I just haven't gotten to it yet 😭

[floral yacht]

so max3 is arriving with RA - but it's shipping (officially, in july) with JELOS? will you need to flash it with an update or something for proper emulation benchmarking?

[sharp stone]

cowon?

[floral nebula]

I dont know what that means lol

[sharp stone]

they were an old mp3 player brand that used android on most devices

looks like one of theirs

[floral nebula]

oh it's just one of these

says m6 on the back

[sharp stone]

screen looks surprisingly decent

[floral nebula]

well it's not an IPS but it's alright

This has a better android on it than either the Retro Pixel Pocket OR the D007 and it's only running Android 5

[grim holly]

Is the non-Pro version still in the works, @floral nebula ?

[floral nebula]

I'm not sure, but I've been told what the next-next version is

or what they want it to be

[signal field]

Face buttons look bigger

[hexed stream]

Love big face buttons

[modern fractal]

yeah thats good. too many of these handhelds have tiny buttons yeah

[floral nebula]

There may be a little bit larger than the RK 2023, but maybe only 1 mm

The sound is amazing on the speakers

[hexed stream]

How's the dpad?

That's the big one for me

[floral nebula]

D-pad is a little small

Maybe it's not small. It's the same size as the 353v just a little bit different shape

[hexed stream]

Maybe could've moved it up to the left a bit and made it bigger, but it's tight space

[floral nebula]

Let me try Contra real quick

It's up and to the left about as left as it's going to go

[hexed stream]

*right

Directions are hard

[floral nebula]

The screen on this is really quite surprising

Really the sound is amazing

[weak lantern]

Mmm

[floral nebula]

They aren't perfect but they're not bad

Diagonals are not as squishy as other devices

[modern fractal]

nice thats not bad

[floral nebula]

Like it's a good balance of platformers versus fighting games you could probably do some hadoukens but you won't fall off cliffs

[hexed stream]

Better than the x28

[modern fractal]

yeah i was about to ask about hadoukens/shoryukens lol

[hexed stream]

At least Russ's lol

I've heard he got a dud

[floral nebula]

It's definitely better than the x28

Keep in mind that everything you're seeing is under the ra. I haven't attempted anything else yet

[hexed stream]

I assume in a good way?

[weak lantern]

Inb4 screen lottery

Though I never messed with PK stuff

[floral nebula]

I don't think there will be a screen lottery this time

These pixels are super crispy

[modern fractal]

its only 480p right? probably good enough for me tho having higher res for better crt filters on low end systems would have been nice

[floral nebula]

Also mind you, I'm shooting all this with my phone at the moment

My phone, sitting on top of a cup, sitting on my table 😀

[modern fractal]

hows the range of motion on the analogue sticks?

[floral nebula]

I don't really have any way to test the sticks yet

[modern fractal]

x28 had some issues with like, clamping to the cardinal directions right?

oh fair

[analog quiver]

Wait, does this mean next-next as in the future of the RGB10 Max line, or next-next as in what they're releasing after the Max 3 Pro releases? Wasn't something like an RGB30 on the table at some point?

[floral nebula]

I don't know what it's going to be called or what line it will be under

[onyx wing]

The question that's on everyone's mind: can it play Ape Escape comfortably?

[floral nebula]

Guys honestly this thing is so fucking loud

Can't quite comment on its bones yet, but the pipes....

[modern fractal]

awesome

[floral nebula]

The other teams should be getting theirs soon and will probably have better answers than me

I haven't really had a whole lot of time to dig into this just yet

[modern fractal]

so they at least improved from ogu in that aspect if nothign else (but hopefully everything)

[floral nebula]

It does strike me as a "better OGU"

Let me attempt to fire up JELOS for the ogu. I wonder, maybe some of the buttons might not work but I should get something out of it

Getting kind of late here too. How about I just give you a shot of the board first

[bleak imp]

Looking forward to getting ours soon and start poking at it

[cold cloak]

I really want to see if there's solder pads for WiFi inside. Also it looks like two of the OGU function buttons were used for the clickable joysticks. Button config is probably off...

[floral nebula]

Let me get the cover off. I'm almost positive there are pads inside

The cost of Wi-Fi was prohibitive for this particular build apparently

But I think the company is considering sending those little dongles with them. I did not receive that but you might if you order one

I'll have an answer for that before it actually ships

[bleak imp]

@floral nebula what’s the charger situation? Hope it’s not that god awful dual charger setup from the OGU.

[floral nebula]

@bleak imp mine came about 13 hours ago, so yours is probably right behind

It just says dc-5v on one of the USBs and OTG on the other.

The cable in the box is a single cable with the purple 5 amp plugs but I don't know if that's what it actually is

The case has little clippies all around that I'm trying not to damage it please give me a bit here

I think zu is going to like the bones

[bleak imp]

Hopefully arrives before the weekend. Getting a few days off for the US holiday.

[floral nebula]

There's a big ass heat sink on this thing

The battery is held in really nice. 4,000 mAh

Uart visible

[bleak imp]

Dual speakers confirmed. Not just 2 cutouts. Nice

[floral nebula]

I don't see the Wi-Fi pads. And there is a tiny little tac switch in here I don't know what it does

Given its position, I have an idea of what it does but I can't confirm it yet

I'm not going to remove this heat sink, but it looks like you could probably hide the Wi-Fi under it

Probably not

[grim holly]

Yeah, doesn't seem like there's a place for a Wi-Fi right now

[bleak imp]

Could be on the backside

[floral nebula]

I'm not seeing it

[grim holly]

I like that the battery is not touching the heatsink

[floral nebula]

Yeah it might be on the other side but I don't want to disassemble it much more just yet

The design of the board is pretty sparse and clean

But this gives me a little bit of pause....

[bleak imp]

Any kernel sources yet?

[floral nebula]

Nothing yet but I'll ask again

[bleak imp]

Ty

[grim holly]

Yeah, interesting that it's over a year old

[floral nebula]

I wouldn't read too much into the screen on the board

What does the ogu board look like

[hexed stream]

RGB50 huh

[floral nebula]

Yeah I wouldn't read too much into the names and dates. They put all kinds of wacky stuff on these.

And I think that 2022 is a year off. I know they weren't produced until February of this year

[floral nebula]

This is definitely not a device that's been sitting around a year. This is brand new

[hexed stream]

Ameridroid has this for a board image

[floral nebula]

Yeah this is definitely not a direct clone, but I can see some similar design ideas

Mine has an empty rumble space

[bleak imp]

No rumble on the OGU either

[floral nebula]

The sticks float around a bit much for my liking. There needs to be some sort of grommet or spacer to hold it in place but there isn't. Maybe I need to tighten the screws just a bit

I was told they're probably won't be any major changes between my device and the production run. Mine did come in a retail box

And I'm almost positive that this little switch is an emmc bypass

How much you want to bet

Also be careful. It'll boot up without the case on because the battery is contained on the board

[bleak imp]

Same on the OGU. Important if you want to enter recovery mode if you mess up the emmc.

[floral nebula]

Yeah I won't be using the ra as a daily driver. I'm going to replace it as soon as I can

There's a grill that goes over the heat sink by the way. It will breathe but there's no fan

I like that the back panel is so easy to replace. And the speakers are the only leads connected to it. None of this stuff with the battery ripping off the board or anything

@bleak imp for uart you could probably just sink some pins onto the board and then wire it out through the grill. I use little USB adapters that I just stick onto whatever project and then connect with some Dupont connectors. There's enough space here to do that just fine

They are big enough for pogos too

[cold cloak]

I hope we can get the HDMI working....and I wonder if the 3.5mm jack has microphone input. 🤔

[bleak imp]

Wonder if I will even need to. If I can get jelos booting that should give me plenty to go off of.

[floral nebula]

I haven't tested it yet but I do have one of those little monitors here I can try

Hang on

[bleak imp]

But good to know.

[floral nebula]

Where the hell am I going to get a mini on two sides HDMI cable 😂

Hold on

[bleak imp]

TheRA might have rotation issues on external screens. If hdmi even works

[floral nebula]

Yeah no HDMI out on this version of the ra

oof its getting late guys

[grim holly]

I wonder if the 3.5mm jack has microphone input.

But why? 🙂

[bleak imp]

Notime is an android dev

[grim holly]

Is that a subtle "Android is a phone OS" joke?

[cold cloak]

I very randomly used my OGS for a zoom call. 🙃

[bleak imp]

No

[floral nebula]

I flip my 405m sideways and use it as a browser

better while searching for cds in the regular places

[bleak imp]

Thanks for all the info. Now 😴

[floral nebula]

also why are all my damn lexar sd cards from Retroid such terrible burn-once shit

i cant even reuse them

[floral nebula]

will try booting JELOS tomorrow

[floral nebula]

ok i lied and cant quit

trying to find if there's a key to boot to sd without opening it

there should be

ok well i found test mode

the uboot is sep-26-2022
kernel is sep 23 22 083802utc
bios is sep23 22

F1+Start are test keys

[bleak imp]

R2 + L2 to enter flash mode on the OGU

Not sure if it’s the same

[floral nebula]

yeah i have a tux

recovery mode

auto test is l1/r1

[signal field]

lots of space here for wifi

[floral nebula]

yes but no pads on this revision

i dont think i'd do much with wifi on this

id just use a dongle

yeah wifi works fine

same one as my non-wifi rk works fine

[signal field]

I don't care much about wifi. Would rather have BT support. Do we know when these will start shipping.

[floral nebula]

Ok. I guess I'll flash to the emmc then

[nimble sonnet]

wonder if this is usb or ttl

[versed tartan]

that's to be expected. the s922x and a311d both run hot

[nimble sonnet]

looking at the back of my OGU, Imma guess ttl

[floral nebula]

hold on im going to image the board first

try to back up this emmc

well, i was going to go to bed, but now im in fix shit mode

emmc isn't a sports model but it's fine. 14mb/sec

This device strikes me as one that should sell well

but pk should have put rumble and wifi

[weak lantern]

Wifi would have been really nice

[undone spruce]

How would you rate the screen in terms of saturation / color / contrast ?

[floral nebula]

oh this screen is nice

i havent tested it much but it's vibrant and sharp

it has that liquid bleed a little when its black, but i mean how often do you stare at a black screen with no picture

im looking at the recovery screen now and the white balance is a little cool but it's nice

the red pops

and the pixels are nice and crispy

this will be a nice gba device

really nice psp

emmc is 16gb

[weak lantern]

PSP for me is the big one but yea without wifi it hurts

[floral nebula]

i wish someone would make usb c wifi nubs

[weak lantern]

Oh like the slim ones?

Yea

[floral nebula]

yeah

or even like a flat top usb c nub like the switch usb audio outs

nice little bt tranceivers you dont need anymore

Nintendo: "I heard you like bluetooth so I enabled bluetooth in your bluetooth"

[weak lantern]

Lol

[floral nebula]

Let's be honest, BT Audio should have been a day 0 feature for the switch

maybe their bt stack for horizon was dirty and they didn't want it exploited

[weak lantern]

PPSSPP also recently started adding RA support and there's been online play for a while so yea no wifi really makes me sad

[floral nebula]

tried psp on this

under RA

ehhhhh

I just tried one game but yeah, not looking forward to it

[weak lantern]

Err ra as retroachievements sorry

[floral nebula]

oh sorry my mistake

[weak lantern]

I should have specified

Nah my mistake

[floral nebula]

yeah i've been using retroachievements more too

if you stalk me you can see all the games i start and then never play more than 3 minutes

[weak lantern]

Ha

[nimble sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/alex-young-this-all-of-this-gif-26490111

[weak lantern]

Ghidra retroachievements when

[floral nebula]

Config.ini

[generic]
; Auto Detection of Monitor settings based on your Screen information
display_autodetect=true

; HDMI Mode
; Resolution Configuration
;    Symbol             | Resolution
; ----------------------+-------------
;    "480x272p60hz"     | 480x272 Progressive 60Hz
;    "480x320p60hz"     | 480x320 Progressive 60Hz
;    "480p60hz"         | 720x480 Progressive 60Hz
;    "576p50hz"         | 720x576 Progressive 50Hz
;    "720p60hz"         | 1280x720 Progressive 60Hz
;    "720p50hz"         | 1280x720 Progressive 50Hz
;    "1080p60hz"        | 1920x1080 Progressive 60Hz
;    "1080p50hz"        | 1920x1080 Progressive 50Hz
;    "1080p30hz"        | 1920x1080 Progressive 30Hz
;    "1080p24hz"        | 1920x1080 Progressive 24Hz
;    "1080i60hz"        | 1920x1080 Interlaced 60Hz
;    "1080i50hz"        | 1920x1080 Interlaced 50Hz
;    "2160p60hz"        | 3840x2160 Progressive 60Hz
;    "2160p50hz"        | 3840x2160 Progressive 50Hz
;    "2160p30hz"        | 3840x2160 Progressive 30Hz
;    "2160p25hz"        | 3840x2160 Progressive 25Hz
;    "2160p24hz"        | 3840x2160 Progressive 24Hz
;    "smpte24hz"        | 3840x2160 Progressive 24Hz SMPTE
;    "2160p60hz420"     | 3840x2160 Progressive 60Hz YCbCr 4:2:0
;    "2160p50hz420"     | 3840x2160 Progressive 50Hz YCbCr 4:2:0
;    "640x480p60hz"     | 640x480 Progressive 60Hz
;    "800x480p60hz"     | 800x480 Progressive 60Hz
;    "800x600p60hz"     | 800x600 Progressive 60Hz
;    "1024x600p60hz"    | 1024x600 Progressive 60Hz
;    "1024x768p60hz"    | 1024x768 Progressive 60Hz
;    "1280x800p60hz"    | 1280x800 Progressive 60Hz
;    "1280x1024p60hz"   | 1280x1024 Progressive 60Hz
;    "1360x768p60hz"    | 1360x768 Progressive 60Hz
;    "1440x900p60hz"    | 1440x900 Progressive 60Hz
;    "1600x900p60hz"    | 1600x900 Progressive 60Hz
;    "1600x1200p60hz"   | 1600x1200 Progressive 60Hz
;    "1680x1050p60hz"   | 1680x1050 Progressive 60Hz
;    "1920x1200p60hz"   | 1920x1200 Progressive 60Hz
;    "2560x1080p60hz"   | 2560x1080 Progressive 60Hz
;    "2560x1440p60hz"   | 2560x1440 Progressive 60Hz
;    "2560x1600p60hz"   | 2560x1600 Progressive 60Hz
;    "3440x1440p60hz"   | 3440x1440 Progressive 60Hz
hdmimode=1080p60hz

; Monitor output
; Controls if HDMI PHY should output anything to the monitor
monitor_onoff=false

; Overscan percentage
; This value scales down the actual screen size by the percentage below
; valid range is 80 to 100
overscan=100

; SDR/HDR Configuration
; This forces SDR or HDR modes
; valid options are: sdr hdr auto
sdrmode=auto

; voutmode : hdmi or dvi
; hdmi / dvi
voutmode=hdmi

; HPD enable/disable option
; false / true
disablehpd=false

; Enable/Disable CEC
cec=true

; Hardkernel ODROID-VU7 support
; By default VU7 support is disabled
disable_vu7=true

; Maximum CPU frequency of ARM A73
; N2: 500/667/1000/1200/1398/1512/1608/1704/1800 (Stock)/1908/2004
; N2 Plus: 500/667/1000/1200/1398/1512/1608/1704/1800/1908/2016/2100/2208 (Stock)/2304/2400
max_freq_a73=1908

; Maximum CPU frequency of ARM A53
; N2: 100/250/500/667/1000/1200/1398/1512/1608/1704/1896 (Stock)/1992
; N2 Plus: 500/667/1000/1200/1398/1512/1608/1704/1800/1908 (Stock)/2016
max_freq_a53=1800

; Maximum number of CPU cores
maxcpus=6

; Wake-On-Lan support (0=disable, 1=enable)
; enable_wol=1

boot.ini

ODROIDGOU-UBOOT-CONFIG

######################################################################
#                                     #
#    PLEASE USE CONFIG.INI INSTEAD. THIS HAS CHANGED!!         #
#                                     #
######################################################################

setenv board "odroidgou"
setenv display_autodetect "true"
setenv hdmimode "1080p60hz"
setenv monitor_onoff "false"
setenv overscan "100"
setenv sdrmode "auto"
setenv voutmode "hdmi"
setenv disablehpd "false"
setenv cec "true"
setenv disable_vu7 "true"
setenv enable_wol "0"
setenv panel_type "lcd_0"
setenv outputmode "panel"

if test "${variant}" = "n2_plus"; then
    setenv max_freq_a73 "2208"
    setenv max_freq_a53 "1908"
else
        #setenv max_freq_a73 "1800"
        #setenv max_freq_a53 "1896"
        setenv max_freq_a73 "2208"
        setenv max_freq_a53 "1909"
fi

setenv maxcpus "6"

# Set load addresses
setenv dtb_loadaddr "0x10000000"
setenv dtbo_addr_r "0x11000000"
setenv k_addr "0x1100000"
setenv loadaddr "0x1B00000"
setenv initrd_loadaddr "0x3700000"

load mmc ${devno}:1 ${loadaddr} config.ini \
    && ini generic ${loadaddr}
if test "x${overlay_profile}" != "x"; then
    ini overlay_${overlay_profile} ${loadaddr}
fi

# Default Console Device Setting
setenv condev "console=ttyS0,115200n8"   # on both

### Normal HDMI Monitors
if test "${display_autodetect}" = "true"; then hdmitx edid; fi
if test "${hdmimode}" = "custombuilt"; then setenv cmode "modeline=${modeline}"; fi
if test "${cec}" = "true"; then setenv cec_enable "hdmitx=cec3f"; fi
if test "${disable_vu7}" = "false"; then setenv hid_quirks "usbhid.quirks=0x0eef:0x0005:0x0004"; fi

# Boot Args
setenv bootargs "root=UUID=e139ce78-9841-40fe-8823-96a304a09859 rootwait rw ${condev} ${amlogic} no_console_suspend fsck.repair=yes net.ifnames=0 elevator=noop hdmimode=${hdmimode} cvbsmode=576cvbs max_freq_a53=${max_freq_a53} max_freq_a73=${max_freq_a73} maxcpus=${maxcpus} voutmode=${voutmode} ${cmode} disablehpd=${disablehpd} cvbscable=${cvbscable} overscan=${overscan} ${hid_quirks} monitor_onoff=${monitor_onoff} logo=osd0,loaded ${cec_enable} sdrmode=${sdrmode} consoleblank=0 enable_wol=${enable_wol} outputmode=${outputmode} panel_type=${panel_type} vout=panel,enable vout2=1080p60hz,enable fbcon=rotate:3 cma=256M,governor=conservative,freq_step=10,down_threshold=40,up_threshold=60,sampling_down_factor=50,powersave_bias=500"

# Load kernel, dtb and initrd
load mmc ${devno}:1 ${k_addr} Image.gz
load mmc ${devno}:1 ${initrd_loadaddr} uInitrd
load mmc ${devno}:1 ${dtb_loadaddr} amlogic/meson64_odroid${variant}.dtb

fdt addr ${dtb_loadaddr}

if test "x{overlays}" != "x"; then
    fdt resize ${overlay_resize}
    for overlay in ${overlays}; do
        load mmc ${devno}:1 ${dtbo_addr_r} amlogic/overlays/${board}/${overlay}.dtbo \
            && fdt apply ${dtbo_addr_r}
    done
fi

# unzip the kernel
unzip ${k_addr} ${loadaddr}

# boot
booti ${loadaddr} ${initrd_loadaddr} ${dtb_loadaddr}

[ionic axle]

This looks really good

[floral nebula]

the more i use this, the better i feel about the device

gonna flash jelos to it and see what happens

how much work do @nimble sonnet and @bleak imp have waiting lol

[versed tartan]

that boot.ini and kernel.ini can use some work

[floral nebula]

they look to be stock

[versed tartan]

i can send you my revisions which use an actionscript to always use as much cpu power as the device needs to reach max speed in things.

good battery life, max performance in psp, cool core temp from not overworking itself

[floral nebula]

I won't be using that boot for now

I'm flashing jelos to it

[versed tartan]

ah, i see

[floral nebula]

plug for ImageUSB btw

[versed tartan]

i keep a modified install of theRA on hand for when i'm bored.

[floral nebula]

https://www.osforensics.com/tools/write-usb-images.html

Etcher if you are not any kind of power user, USBIT if you're a masochist, this if you dont want to fight with your machine.

bro no way

JELOS fires right on up

[versed tartan]

you could always make a xUbuntu boot stick, and use the disks tool to flash/backup the emmc

[floral nebula]

jelos team may need to update some drivers but it's doing its init. screen works fine.

ehhhh it has some issues

but it runs

this thing does get warm

[versed tartan]

just wait till you play something hard for a while. it can get quite toasty

[floral nebula]

@bleak imp keys and cores need to be configured but most everything works. R3 is menu in ES, for example

[versed tartan]

set your default cpu governor to Powersave and invidivual emulators based on their needs. DS, psp, and dreamcast are fine with big cores only SchedUtil

[bleak imp]

Cool. Should all be fixable

[floral nebula]

yeah this is all very workable

[lusty elm]

I’m hoping a good and affordable screen protector appears for this

Lately to see any use a device needs to fit in my pants pocket or at least the “accessory” pocket in my steam deck sling and have a screen protector

[bleak imp]

I’ll need to study the ogu u-boot and see a way how we can differentiate between the devices so hopefully they can use a shared image.

[floral nebula]

yeah they told me there are slight differences but "like 99% of it should work"

Battery meter works!

ah the 1% broken may be sound

[versed tartan]

if the sound in ppsspp cuts out, go to the options and unmute it in the Audio Section and raise the volume back up. optionally if it unchooses the audio device, simply change it back to something besides AUTO

[floral nebula]

no there's no sound at all

oh shit

psp has sound

[versed tartan]

system audio used to cut out as well. its the same routine for when it happens in retroarch. just fiddle with the device id

[floral nebula]

yeah after using psp, the sound is enabled

[versed tartan]

cool. it's already better than the ogu 😄

[floral nebula]

oh guys, this is nice

it's not super ergonomic but it's nice

[bleak imp]

Quirks might not be working correctly. That’s sets every thing up.

We will need to customize them for this device

[floral nebula]

internals and drivers might need some sorting but it's pretty decent as is

the config needs to be redone for the controlls but it's like almost perfect

they really weren't kidding when they said this is basically a "better ogu"

of course ports are broken too

[lusty elm]

Honestly the ogu while nothing to write home about ergo wise is more ergonomic than my smaller handhelds just by virtue of being bigger

[floral nebula]

STARDEW WORKS

hahahah

mono ports work

[lusty elm]

There’s certainly nothing weird/wrong with the ergo

[versed tartan]

(laughs in touching the audio settings till they work)

[lusty elm]

Just a switch lite style slab with no contoured grips

[versed tartan]

i'm 1000% happy they fixed that

but yeah the grip isn't anything to write home about, but it's basic formfactor

[lusty elm]

I’m glad to hear the vent on the back is still just for allow some passive cooling from the heat sink and they didn’t slap a fan in there

[floral nebula]

out of the box

[versed tartan]

same for switch, same for vita.

[floral nebula]

i mean jelos out of the box

you guys need to hear the speakers

im not kidding

the speakers in this are to this device what the screen was to the rk2023

[lusty elm]

The speaker on the OGU was one of my biggest letdowns (mono but not centred, rear firing) so that’s good to hear

[floral nebula]

I'll get it to Nara on Friday for a preliminary review if I can meet up with him

[versed tartan]

i rather like the noncrispness of the ogu's lcd panel though, it adds a temporal antialiasing to everything that makes games look marginally better in 3d

[floral nebula]

same resolution here as the ogu i think, but my panel is sharp

[nimble sonnet]

hopefully the same way

😄

https://tenor.com/view/hehehe-giggle-pretty-cute-smile-gif-17255016

[bleak imp]

Heh. As long as we can tell if it’s the ogu or not then we can just use else for the other dtb.

No gross device switch like we used on the 353 devices.

[undone spruce]

Damn the screen looks really nice

[floral nebula]

ok. final thought for the night

im from chicago

in chicago, we would say

"this is a good ass device"

(for all it's cake, the D007 is not a good ass device)

[nimble sonnet]

@floral nebula did it come us mail?

[floral nebula]

well im in Thailand

[nimble sonnet]

oh!

nevermind then!

[floral nebula]

it came Flash

[nimble sonnet]

for some reason I thought you were here, even though I knew better.

old brain moment

[floral nebula]

yeah in thai we would just say มันดีมาก

แต่ต้องupdateนิดนึง

@bleak imp if i symlink my themes to the card will it break

they are selling this thing for $115

[nimble sonnet]

It'll take more than that to damage the plastic.

[floral nebula]

insane

[magic girder]

hell yeah batman

[nimble sonnet]

jk ofc, it should be fine to link them

just note that some themes from thera and arkos are not compatible with our emulationstation

[floral nebula]

well, i did just crash it, as you note

and now im looped on "applying hardkernel odroid go ultra quirks

its fine

ill hit it again in the morning. i've said that for two hours now but this time i mean it

omg

arkos Carbon is beautiful on this screen

[sharp stone]

Whoa

[floral nebula]

dayum these colors

more pics tomorrow

[modern fractal]

thank you! yeah this is very very on my radar, sounds like they did a good job

[floral nebula]

yeah this one is excellent

others are hit or miss

and the lack of wifi and bt hurts this but not much

[sharp stone]

I really only need it for scraping and can just use an adapter during setup

Seems like a winner

[floral nebula]

oh wow jelos does not like wake from sleep

[bleak imp]

Not supported on that platform right now. The power button doesn’t seem to work in sleep.

Think it’s a driver issue.

[floral nebula]

okokok one last thing shit

[magic girder]

The linux fanboys are eating good tonight

[signal field]

I just want to know when powkiddy is going to ship theses.

[cold cloak]

I wasn't ready to hear that in my headphones. 😩 It is loud. I like it.

[ionic axle]

https://tenor.com/view/linux-yeah-i-use-linux-gigachad-chad-arch-linux-gif-26093280

Wow, look at that screen

[floral nebula]

well you sure as shit won't be ready to hear the "WHU WHU" when luigi starts.

[modern fractal]

awesome!

[floral nebula]

I nearly pooped

nearly.

[floral nebula]

the screen is amazing

alright. tomorrow.

[magic girder]

if the CFW and price are good to great, this is gonna be a top seller

[floral nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/super-smash-brothers-kirby-arms-captain-falcon-minmin-gif-17580244

[versed tartan]

you've been stung by the ogu tinkering bee. you will never be the same.

most people just run in fear

[modern fractal]

told myself to wait for reviews but im tempted to just preorder lol

[versed tartan]

now all this community needs is a gpd xp plus that the community doesn't snub in the form of the rg506

[weak lantern]

I'll wait for the wifi edition

Wifi is just too important for me

[versed tartan]

most of the games on these things are offline.

[weak lantern]

I do play some of these online though but outside of that syncing saves and retroachievements as well as backups in general... really just convenient

[versed tartan]

ah right. not everyone has an an sd card that roams between devices or a wired backup setup

[modern fractal]

ive got multiple devices without wifi and yeah its inconvenient sometimes but it isnt a dealbreaker to me

[ionic axle]

I'm excited to get this one, hopefully PK ships soon 🙏

[weak lantern]

I'm willing to wait and continue using the rp2+ lol

[nimble sonnet]

starts charging for JELOS

https://tenor.com/view/evil-evil-laugh-evil-racoon-hehehehe-muhahaha-gif-25486258

[lusty elm]

access to the latest builds and devices exclusive to patreon members

[nimble sonnet]

access to the latest bugs and devices exclusive to patreon members

ftfy

[ionic axle]

JELOS is worth it

[signal field]

Is there a HDMI out?

[versed tartan]

not yet, but the port is there

[lusty elm]

Any clue if it’s a native landscape panel?

[cold cloak]

He flashed a OGU image and it worked....so it's a rotated panel.

[nimble sonnet]

^

Sounds like it's going to be pretty easy to get the few issues fixed.

[blazing spoke]

Am...am i about to buy a powkiddy?

[magic girder]

yes you are

give in

[blazing spoke]

[nimble sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/emperor-star-wars-good-goooooood-evil-gif-12447951

[versed tartan]

welcome to the powkiddy psyop

[blazing spoke]

How does the cpu/gpu compare to other devices? Faster than rk3566 and t618?

[nimble sonnet]

much faster than 3566, comparable it seems to t618

[magic girder]

much faster than the 3566 probably a bit behind the T618

[blazing spoke]

Not bad at all

[versed tartan]

easiest way to answer this is show footage of someone running ps2 gta3 on the ogu and the same game on the rp3+

[blazing spoke]

I'm sure without the android overhead you can probably get more consistent performance

[nimble sonnet]

We already have some pretty great support for OGU, so this device will inherit that.

[versed tartan]

the difference is like 7-10fps

[nimble sonnet]

#1095093328200081570 message

etc

[versed tartan]

so like.... the rp3+ is slightly faster due to the overwhelming optimization of android and the s922x/a311d's years of dev neglect in kernel-development finally coming to a head

how long did it take amlogic/hardkernel to get from 60% speed to 100? 2-3?

[magic girder]

so with driver optimizations would help close the gaps

[versed tartan]

it would help.

but you have to ask yourself: wouldn't the t618 be slower running on linux as well?

it's an even trade. try @cold cloak 's android build when your units arrive. possibly pester powkiddy for a touchscreen replacement

[uncut vine]

This seems so nice

I usually wait for reviews but...

[grim holly]

Damn, this looks nice. But I'm sure as soon as I pull the trigger, someone will make one with Wi-Fi

But I was literally playing PSP not too long ago thinking "I want this, but with better screen", and seems like this might be it

[cold cloak]

Amlogic really does seem to lack ambition. They make okay hardware then ship it. No more kernel or Mali blob updates after that. They dropped support for all of their old boards in their new/old 5.4 kernel leaving them stuck on 4.9...😮‍💨

[versed tartan]

well. it IS one guy. This is like his perfect storm

[grim holly]

You mean, Amlogic is just one guy?

[versed tartan]

i mean the person who writes the kernel

[grim holly]

Ah, okay lol

Makes sense

[cold cloak]

Ah, well he's doing great. Keep up the good work. 😔

[versed tartan]

you do have a point though. as soon as they released the OGU and went on to release the N2L and latter stuff, updates were dark for months.

[cold cloak]

Are you talking about Hardkernel or Amlogic?

[versed tartan]

hardkernel

amlogic is just a manufacturer. its the same case with rockchip when this was about the rk3326

[cold cloak]

Yeah, but Rockchip released a 4.19 and 5.10 kernel...and it supports their new stuff as well as their 10yr old chips.

[floral nebula]

A note about the production date

This is the design date. Production date is near the battery

Here's a better shot of a board

I just didn't see it on mine with the battery attached.

[ionic axle]

What the ... more than a year ago?

[floral nebula]

23/2/4 is apparently the actual build date

22/2/23 is apparently the board revision date

I speculate that this was supposed to ape the ogu a long time ago but they sat on it

[floral nebula]

I can not imoress upon you what this screen looks like accurately. The colors and are super saturated and contrasty. The color really pops.

These are straight out of the camera with

*sunlight in a well lit cafe

[bleak imp]

Looking good

[ionic axle]

The blue looks better in person, that’s a slick color

[versed tartan]

this looks like it could be the next big thing for the price, power, and comfort factor

obviously it's not perfect, because people will complain about controls, wifi, color options, build, etc. but it genuinely looks like the best thing powkiddy has put together

[floral nebula]

Yeah it's got a finish to it

It's a different blue than the x55, but it does the same thing with the shifting tone

[pulsar edge]

What's GC performance like? The lower Res screen hopefully makes it look better at 1x res

[versed tartan]

if you can run 30fps hacks, do it. if not, you should be able to edit the config file to enable variable fps

that stuff got sorted out months ago, though

[floral nebula]

So far so good but it does have that Mario kart blue overlay shit

I'll check other games but so far they look great

I'm just trying small ones though

[versed tartan]

definitely enable widescreen hacks if you don't mind accessing the emmc through linux. those black bars are unsightly

[pulsar edge]

Metroid prime plz

[bleak imp]

Mario kart DD doesn’t work with the vulkan driver (even on a x86 system) You have to change it to OpenGL.

[floral nebula]

I'll check it out.

[signal field]

Thanks for these pictures. Makes me happy I ordered a blue one

[versed tartan]

FF: Crystal Chronicles is weirdly playable despite dips.
at 852x480, it looks pretty great, pixel-for-pixel

[floral nebula]

@versed tartan is that an ogu or a max3?

[versed tartan]

ogu

[floral nebula]

Ahh

I'll give it a shot too

[versed tartan]

too bad jelos doesn't have freeglut gles support. with that you could actually get some more rigid support for gamecube/wii. unfortunately it breaks -all- of retroarch in the process, so it's only something you do to the Stockmod CFW which runs completely on retrorun and standalones.

this soc family was not designed for full 6th/7th gen emulation. it just happens to dabble in it.

[grim holly]

The blue here looks much blue-er than in the original photos, I like it

Does it pick up smudges/dust easily? I had that problem with a black RG351MP, was kind of annoying

I do see some marks in the photos, but not sure if that's from fingers or it's just uneven coating

[floral nebula]

It's probably the lighting. It might pick up fingerprints a little bit but it's not that bad.

Maybe I just have dirty hands 😂

[nimble sonnet]

Looks really good

[pulsar edge]

I need this but I also DON'T need this... If you know what I mean

[uncut vine]

Same thing here

[pulsar edge]

Will wait fo reviews