AYANEO Pocket Air

[hoary grail]

Essentially -- there wasn't a single slide that said it, but over the last few minutes he said supply was limited, there would be no restocks, and please buy the Pocket S.

[sturdy dragon]

I'll buy the 6gb if I can get early bird price.

[peak current]

Supply is limited stinks

[civic kindle]

Do Aya allows refund as long product not shipped yet?
Or only before igg ends.

[peak current]

But I'm guessing this was planned and worked on before they made a deal with Qualcomm

[peak current]

I feel like this is just an IGG feature

But Ayn is probably open to it as well

[fallow haven]

I mean fair enough absolutely
But I won't buy the S, I hate how it looks

[hidden gyro]

Maybe they received an excellent deal with Qualcomm on the chips, making this an easier loss to handle.

[peak current]

Hopefully yeah

[hoary grail]

I'm so torn now. I want this, but I also want a lower-end Windows handheld, and it's really hard to justify buying both.

[teal mason]

If battery life don't matter to you a windows handheld would be the better choice

[fallow haven]

I mean at $300 you don't have many X86 options

[fallow haven]

I wonder how quickly it'll sell out

Everyone just bought an Odin2

[peak current]

Very fair from Aya and Arthur here, seems like the best they could do

Realized that BOM ballooned and tried to make best of it

[clever laurel]

He waited so long to get this out that he's now in competition with not just AYN, but himself.

I know the Odin 2/Pocket S are months away but when you're talking about devices with double the power, people will wait.

[quick pollen]

Won’t matter on this chipset

6gb is completely fine for the d1200

[lime wind]

arthur did ok, given the constraints he was under

[quick pollen]

For an oled screen and a solid chip it’s a good price. Not ayn Odin of course, but not everything has to be value king

[sturdy dragon]

I don't disagree unless their Android build and frontend software is crap. More just speaking to general value.

[hidden gyro]

This also seems ready, and while Ayn says December for Odin 2 their track record shows it could be far longer

[civic kindle]

This will have the same speakers as the air 1s 's ?

[fluid bone]

Seeing these prices, I get to mute this channel now. No thank you at all

[quick pollen]

I agree, No chance ayn comes out in dec lol

[sturdy dragon]

I'll bite at $279 shipped, will probably pass if I miss early bird though. They didn't say how limited the early bird was, did they?

[quick pollen]

My only thing with the d1200 from what I’ve seen and benchmarks, is that it will likely have to run some gamecube and ps2 at closer to 1x, but likely the more demanding games. That sucks because even with oled it won’t look as good as a 2x picture

Sd8gen2 will be a godsend leap forward for handhelds

[sturdy dragon]

Yeah, I wouldn't recommend anyone get this over the Odin 2 unless you just really hate Ayn. Even then, wait for Pocket S.

[hollow grail]

Way better prices than I expected but yeah, doesn't seem too worth it still

[hoary grail]

Definitely not a lot of Windows options for the same price, but I was thinking of a Loki Zero or Mini Pro -- so roughly the same price. The Pocket Air will probably have better ergonomics and screen, but won't be able to dip into PC or Wii U.

[hollow grail]

I had a brief moment of consideration just for the OLED screen but meh, I'll keep my obin preorder

That'll be a fun journey to go through with y'all

[quick pollen]

If you really want a high spec oled I’d wait for the S tbh

[hoary grail]

This looks so much more comfortable to hold than the Pocket S, though!

[hollow grail]

I'd refund the other one though, I can't justify spending much more than I did on that obin lol

Like I said I won't bother, but hey the prices are certainly better than I ever expected

[fallow haven]

I mean fair enough, but that 3050e in the Loki Zero won't be too great either

[sturdy dragon]

Mendocino should be decent lower end and a similar price.

[hoary grail]

For sure! Which is why I'm so torn between this and a lower-end Windows device. The prices and performances aren't too far apart.

Looking more broadly, it's kind of crazy how competitive this scene is getting. I'm not going to pretend to understand how these Chinese companies are funded, but it's hard to imagine there's enough interest and money to sustain 5-6 companies pumping out new handhelds at such regular intervals. Something has to give at some point.

[fallow haven]

Absolutely fair, but as someone who favors battery life it's a much easier choice for me

[sturdy dragon]

Well I think Odin 2 will start a plateau as there isn't much more to work towards unless new emulator options emerge.

[sturdy dragon]

Yeah that the difference between 1.5-2hrs and 3-6hrs for similar content.

[fallow haven]

Exactly

[hoary grail]

For sure, but if we've reached a plateau, then it'll be Ayaneo and AYN and Anbernic and Retroid and Powkiddy all releasing handhelds targeting the same people with roughly the same performance (without even getting into the Valve/Lenovo/ASUS Windows options). If AYN is driving down prices -- and the Pocket Air suggests they are, if Ayaneo are admitting they're selling at a loss -- that's a lot of companies trying to survive off pretty small margins, I'd think. Maybe they all hope to survive until the next big emulation leap forward, whenever that is?

[sturdy dragon]

Yeah, they'll fight to see who can make it cheapest, smallest or in different form factors for a while. Then my guess is they'll try to find some niche features but ultimately they will likely to focusing on Linux builds with similar performance and more efficient x86 handhelds. I think x86 is the long term future. Enough Asus, Lenovo, Valve players drive price and efficiency and/or get Microsoft to create a handheld version, nobody will pay much attention ARM chips.

[lilac spindle]

is this live on indiegogo yet?

[clever laurel]

September 6th I believe is the launch date

[lilac spindle]

ah ok

[lone parrot]

Hey GPD, nice to see you again.

[fallow haven]

Yeah but it's starting at $279 shipped so slightly below GPD

[lone parrot]

aggressive underbidding. so bourgeousie of them.

welp, the plateau is here. welcome to the great industry stagnance/panic.

[runic mason]

If that is true then I'm gonna curse

[shrewd gale]

that rumor evolved into pocket S

#1143189188167082054

[latent sleet]

Just a heads up

They're doing limited batches. You can't buy it after the igg

[hollow grail]

Lmao

[shrewd gale]

so no retail at all? why bother having retail prices then lol

[lilac spindle]

ig just in case

[hoary grail]

I don't think he's necessarily saying it'll be Indiegogo only -- it could mean that they only produced a small number, and not all of them will be available through Indiegogo. Like, they could've had 1,000 produced, and they'll sell 800 or something through IGG (for example), with the rest going first-come, first-served through their site.

[tiny moss]

probably will be indiegogo only if they all sell in the span of the indiegogo campaign, but won't be indiegogo if they don't

[hoary grail]

With the exact breakdown of IGG vs their site being a calculation of how much they want to be rid of them vs how much of a loss they want to take.

[lone parrot]

it's limited batches, because there's a limited audience.

There's definitely a crowd for devices that allow you to do all retrogaming ever with no tweaking at all ever and no framedrops at all ever, simply because they have discardable income and are sick of coping...
but that crowd is tiny.

[limber verge]

If I can get one for 279 I would buy one

[lime wind]

I’m getting win600 vibes from this channel

wait for ayn they said

[timid hatch]

DOA?

[tiny moss]

Actually I think with the price it might sell

To people who are fine with never running anything but android on it and just want ergo and a good screen for gc/ps2

[lime wind]

I already bought the chinese one

235 baby

[hearty bison]

And most of them already ordered an Odin 2

[granite shale]

so it is a LIMITED version , it become a bit attractive for collection

I got ayaneo air but I personally don't like the dpad they are using
It may got worse feeling when playing retro game.....

[hoary grail]

If I can get it at early bird pricing, I'll probably get this. It looks comfortable to hold and the screen should be nice.

[granite shale]

I think they have planned to produce minimum amount of device. If they cannot sell all in the indiegogo, then the remains will sell at retail prices.

[limber verge]

I just hope igg site is stable

[lime wind]

should be okay

I’d be surprised if it launches on time, but it shouldn’t be a shitshow

[paper zodiac]

I agree, I don't get why everyone is so down on this. No-one actually expecting the Odin to ship on time, are they?

This thing, they HAVE to ship on time or close to it, to avoid competing with themselves.

For $280, if it ships on time, you're getting the most powerful thing that isn't a Steam Deck that's out, but for $120 less than the steam deck. Same chip as the GPD XP plus (but doesn't look like a phone with controls attached). Mid way between the 3+ and Steam Deck in price, size and performance.

I mean, have I missed something? Better stuff may be out soon, but that's always the case, and who knows if they'll ship when they say they will.

First thing out between the T618's and the steam deck in price that actually seems worth it to me.

I guess limited units means a small community around it. But also, limited edition, so could hold it's value well.

[clever laurel]

A couple of points here.

1. No it isn't the most powerful device that isn't a steam deck. The pimax portal is heavily overclocked and will beat this. There's also the razer edge. Whether those devices are good is another debate but its not the most powerful

2. This device is coming when there is the Odin 2 and Pocket S on the horizon. Two devices which outclass anything else on the market. Yes they are months away but I'm sure a lot of people will happily wait for a device that barely costs more and is twice as powerful

3. Arthur has admitted that he is taking a loss on the Air and this is purely because he waited so long to get this out there. He spent time in the livestream explaining why this is expensive. He knows people want the Pocket S from him now that it's been announced.

In the end, this device is late to market and doesn't have as much value in people's eyes whereas if he had launched this 4 months ago it would have been in a much better position.

[paper zodiac]

That's cool, I didn't know the pimax could be overclocked to be more powerful than this. Can this not be overclocked? (I don't know much about this stuff)

I think the Razer Edge is $399, same price as the steam deck, isn't it? I might be wrong on that.

I completely get the point about the Odin 2 and Pocket S, that's what I was alluding to in my post. But, well, delays can be an issue. Plus, for android emulation (until better emulators arrive), the only real difference between those two and the pocket air will be more Switch games, right?

[hazy smelt]

Pocket air is like 1x-2x ps2 res, sd8gen2 is more like 3x-4x res

Much more capable Vita emu too

[paper zodiac]

Sure, but they'll all run basically all the PS2 games, so if you're not bothered about enhancements....

I always forget the Vita exists, but you're probably right there 😄

Question for people who know more about this than I do (which will be most of you, I imagine).

When it comes to the difference between the models, the internal storage space doesn't matter much, unless you want a lot of android games.

Ram wise, the only difference for emulation will be with the Switch/vita, where 6GB = very few games, 8gb = some games, and 12gb doesn't really matter, as the chip will be the limiting factor.

I assume that's right?

[weak spindle]

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