AYANEO Pocket Air

[rustic sluice]

Depending on how hard the phone is throttling it'll get pretty close to the 8g1.

Tho I pre-order the fold the other day so it definitely won't be beating that. But I'm fine with that

[lone parrot]

an s22, Bluetooth telescoper and a docking kit, is pretty much a full base-coverer. Handheld, couch gaming device, and pc.

[atomic copper]

S22u Snapdragon version or?

[rustic sluice]

Yea

USA, USA, USA

[lone parrot]

inb4 "phone is not a handheld/pc/console"

[rustic sluice]

It aint

Experience is just worse even with a good controller

Plus battery and usually cooling.

Like I have access to perfectly emulated Majoras Mask 3d at 4x, but I'd rather still grab my switch lite and play the GameCube version

And that thing is shit in comparison to this.

[lone parrot]

Seems a bit gatekeepy since the Switch does the same thing.

[rustic sluice]

Only difference is its not android. Atleast not natively

There are also a lot of quirks about phones+controller that just don't exist on a proper handheld. Like the creaminess, bad aspect ratio, useless cameras. Tons of background pings that eat battery life, usbc controllers drain battery while idle, lack of cooling severely limits the soc, smaller battery and usually worse ergonomics.

Is there a practical difference in available uses, no not really, but the experience is just vastly different.

[lilac spindle]

what do you mean by creaminess?

[rustic sluice]

Thats a good question, what got auto corrected, had to talk to my boss mid paragraph.

Ahh, cameras

Nope

Ahh, creakiness

It's not a word

That's why

[atomic copper]

I hate you. I have Exynos 😢

[rustic sluice]

Asserts dominance in 7 hours of screen on time.

[limber verge]

When the indiegogo campaign?

[untold badge]

Sometime in August for international users

Domestic ones should be able to put a preorder before the end of this month

[untold badge]

There's a reason why the Razer Edge got alot of flak because it's nothing like actually having a dedicated handheld build wise. And this is from someone who has been using these controllers since the early moga days. The experience is just different.

For most people it's fine because they don't have to get another dedicated device and it's there all in one, but for people who want a dedicated device, it's definitely no bueno

[lone parrot]

yeah, it's definitely for people who are more into gaming for the sake of gaming, and not buyers looking for a specific type of gaming device/experience. You see this a lot in #🤷│what-do-i-buy

[timid hatch]

D1200?

[shrewd gale]

still no price? aya really likes to drag their feet around that lol

I guess it's better than the air plus disappointment

[teal mason]

1 dolar

[atomic copper]

what happened there?

[shrewd gale]

aya was saying the i3/mendocino air plus models were gonna cost around $300 for almost a year and when the time finally came for the campaign to launch they went back and said first 100 or so people will get them at that price and after that the price would be doubled

[lilac spindle]

thats so scummy what the hell

[shrewd gale]

yeah lots of people were pissed

aya is known for overpricing their stuff in general so I'm keeping my fingers and toes crossed that it would be different for the pocket air

[tiny moss]

First ten will be $100, next ten $200, rest $700

Honestly I’m sure they’re aware they burned a lot of goodwill with the air plus and presumably won’t make the same mistake twice

Probably part of why they’re so hesitant to announce pricing too

It’s a product category where $20 one way or another could be a big difference in sales but also they don’t want to get caught promising a price they can’t actually hit again

[atomic copper]

based on what you said to me, i dont think so. i'm fully expecting this to be 350-400 then. with the argument that this is a premium android handheld, unlike the steam deck which is a dedicated pc. also this is more pocketable etc etc

[shrewd gale]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-avengers-endgame-yeah-i-know-i-can-do-this-all-day-gif-14595803

[atomic copper]

ie. its priced fairly and its a different market, so its not competition

Kirby made me stay away from this, his "mediatek hell" comment haha

im sad i will miss out of oled, 7000+ batt tho

[shrewd gale]

lol yeah I can see aya trying to justify whatever high price they would set like they normally do but I have a little bit of hope because gpd lowered the prices of the XP+ way down to under $300

[atomic copper]

i still think 250-300 is fair

for this

[shrewd gale]

I agree

[tiny moss]

300 including shipping would be a hard line for me to even be interested at all

If it’s above that it’s DOA for me

[shrewd gale]

I also agree

[atomic copper]

call it the aya tax

much like the anbernic tax

[shrewd gale]

I'm tired of aya acting like apple and charging like they are a premium brand for their products when frankly they are not

don't @ me aya fans

[atomic copper]

oh i agree

but they are the first mainstream handheld pc

so of course they will

[tiny moss]

Aya might be worth more as a brand than like ayn or anbernic but not as much as valve, asus, or maybe even GPD

[atomic copper]

Aya's main competitor for a long while is just GPD

but aya's devices have always been alittle better imo

so they had competition but uncontested

now with Valve and asus involved, they cannot keep doing this

Asus undercut them like heck

[shrewd gale]

yup

and even now I'd say GPD has been doing pretty well lately with their recent pc handhelds

[atomic copper]

agreed

the win max 2 is awesome

too bad i dont need it

but i would seriously buy it as a streaming pc for a dual computer setup

[tiny moss]

Honestly I regret upgrading my desktop

Should’ve just gone win max 2 7840u and g1

Oh well

Next round

[atomic copper]

what did you upgrade to

[tiny moss]

5800x I got a good deal on and a 2070 super I got a great deal on

Cpu is a bit overkill but it was only $20 more than a 5600x

[atomic copper]

5800x + 2070super is a great combo.

[lilac spindle]

if i could afford to get a win mini i would just because of how insane it looks

[atomic copper]

i jump from 4 to 12, and i was like bruh why did i not do this earlier

the system feels so much smoother

[tiny moss]

The win mini does look insane

[atomic copper]

you will grow into it, thats what im trying to say

[tiny moss]

But it would be a steam deck replacement not a tiny laptop

Like I wouldn’t write emails on the mini keyboard

[lilac spindle]

i would try to do a college essay on it just to be funny

[tiny moss]

But yeah I’m hoping by the time I grow out of my 5800x desktop APUs will be good enough for me to just not buy GPUs anymore

[atomic copper]

4090

seriously

totally worth it

[tiny moss]

$$$

Lol a 4090 from Best Buy right now costs almost double what my entire rebuild cost me

[atomic copper]

but you will not need to care for god knows how long

i.e. it saves you in the long run

[tiny moss]

Lol

Buying a $200 GPU every 3 years is a lot cheaper than buying a $2000 GPU every 10 😉

Unless you think I’d get 30 years out of a 4090

[fluid bone]

2k gpu always

[atomic copper]

but $200 gpu dont do modern triple As very well

unless its not your marekt

[tiny moss]

I’m fine with 1080p medium settings tbh

Which is why I think next round I’ll be able to forgo the GPU entirely

The 7940hs mini PCs are already almost there for me

[atomic copper]

ah, then nah, gpu not a strong thing for you then

[fluid bone]

At that point isn't a console better

[atomic copper]

i do 1440p 240hz

[tiny moss]

If I could run my steam library on an Xbox then yeah, but I can’t stand buying hardware that locks me into only buying software purchased via their approved methods, and then losing access to that software when I change hardware in 5 years.

[atomic copper]

im of the opinion that a PC will always be better than a console coz you do more things on your pc than your console. But of course, use case/perspective

[tiny moss]

But also I tinker around with music production software

So I need a decently powerful PC anyway

So it’s really just buying a GPU vs buying an Xbox rather than a whole PC vs an Xbox

[fluid bone]

I don't disagree, just meant from an only doing 1080p medium perspective

[tiny moss]

I did take into account that if I was simply looking for ‘cheapest way to run starfield’ an Xbox was it

[fluid bone]

Makes sense

[shrewd gale]

so yeah looping back to the topic aya needs to think carefully about the price of this one

[atomic copper]

400 usd

clearly

coz it emulate more stuff than steam deck

[shrewd gale]

the fact that they are dragging their feet with announcing price hints to me they are doing just that 🤞

[atomic copper]

and steam deck is 399 start

while our 400 is highest storage, includes shipping and can "do more" than the steam deck

[rustic sluice]

You know apple charges like double the sum of all parts right. And that's on the low end of their pricing.

[brisk quarry]

M&K and mods are such a huge plus.
Lack of mods is such a downer.

[junior narwhal]

Aya also has made the cheapest 7840u device so far but it’s a popular narrative

[atomic copper]

did they?

[junior narwhal]

Yes the geek 1s is cheaper than even the ally depending country ie US

The air plus situation is complicated if you take the steam deck out of the equation it doesn’t look nearly as bad

[atomic copper]

what actually happened with the air plus......i just know they backtracked from the low price, but i never knew why

[junior narwhal]

Essentially they couldn’t produce them at that price so they shifted and made it into a higher end 6800u device but still offered configs with the chips promised. The 200 cheap models were supposed to be like a sign of goodwill they lost money on those tbh. If you want another example of this ayn had to raise their mini pro for this reason

[atomic copper]

thats still kinda shitty. i know they cant make at a loss but they shuoldnt have jumped the gun with prices and stuff then

[latent sleet]

Not sure if the Geek 1s is cheaper than Ally, but the UK have been kinda screwed over with the Ally being priced at £699. There's been no currency conversion at all

[junior narwhal]

It is $699 as well for the geek 1s but depending on import tax vs sales tax either could be higher

[latent sleet]

The highest model of the Steam Deck is £569. Valve did adapt the pricing

To convert the Ally's price to dollars, it costs $898.08 here

[junior narwhal]

That’s rough

[latent sleet]

I wasn't going to buy it anyway as it's too big, but not happy that Asus pulled that move.

[latent sleet]

Didn't Ayn kinda do something similar? They did put up the price albeit not as much, but they cancelled quite a few skus. They seemed like stretched themselves too thin again

[rustic sluice]

Well technically, that's if you're having it shipped, I could walk into best buy and pay the same thing.

[rustic sluice]

Part of it was AYN just announcing certainloki models at that price. Tho I think they forgot that AYN doesn't include shipping.

[junior narwhal]

Sales tax puts it above geek 1s albeit not much

[teal mason]

Isn't that about the same as the odin pro? This seems to have generally higher quality components than that device though

[tiny moss]

yeah the odin pro is a terrible deal imo

double the price of a t618 and doesn't even get you a full gen up

or alternatively 75% the price of a steam deck and nowhere near 75% as capable

[junior narwhal]

Nothing is gonna beat the steam deck for price to performance but the Odin pro did get better battery life and was a lot smaller

[tiny moss]

does the odin pro actually get better life when emulating the same stuff? I see reviews claiming 6 hours on gamecube, which is about what you'd get on a deck playing gamecube rather than comparing odin pro playing wind waker to the deck playing elden ring

[junior narwhal]

Its probably close if your pushing the Odin. 6 hours is a real push for steam deck to hit.

[tiny moss]

I find 6 is pretty standard for indies or retro stuff on the deck

if you tinker you can sometimes get over 8

[junior narwhal]

I don’t own deck so it’s believable for 6. 8 hours would need like 5w total draw so unless your playing something ultra light it’s not gonna hit that

[tiny moss]

You can get down to about 5 watts total draw emulating n64

the SoC only needs like 1.5

on 2d stuff that doesn't touch the gpu at all you can get even lower

[junior narwhal]

I’m not a huge fan of the Odin but if the pocket air is $300 ie like the Odin its more justifiable than the Odin was/is

[tiny moss]

yeah, I would consider this at $299 moreso than the odin pro at $299

but if this is above $300 it's DOA for me

if this is $249 it'll actually be seriously tempting

[junior narwhal]

I am willing to go to $330ish but yeah the closer to $400 it is the more unappealing it becomes

[brisk quarry]

680€ for highest model SD in my country.
Fuckin' mental!

That might just be one of the worst deals on handhelds so far lol.

[latent sleet]

Yeah, it really just seems to vary. I'm glad there's other alternatives for everyone

The Steam Deck and ROG Ally might be a steal for some countries, less for others.

[brisk quarry]

This.
Even the cheapest version is 420. Although iirc before it was 430.

[shrewd gale]

yeah I admit both the geek and the new revision are well priced handhelds, I'll give them that

[junior narwhal]

Pre steam deck though yeah they were way up there in price

[atomic copper]

Supposedly it was coz they couldn't source the chips at a good price and it was too low for the minimum bulk buy thing. It never bothered me coz I was after the max till I wasn't

[atomic copper]

They have a revision already for the geek??? Wut

[fierce minnow]

The Geek1s

It's actually tempting

As I like the power of my Ally but the battery life sucks ass

And I think having the 32GB of ram would be good since sharing with the GPU

[tiny moss]

yeah 16 is starting to become the kinda bare minimum and that's for desktops that DON'T share that ram with the video card

for AAA stuff anyway

my concern with x86 handhelds in general is its super cool that we're starting to get handhelds that can run AAA stuff, but they have no real margin for futureproofing

like when I got the deck it could run AAA stuff

now only a year and a half later a bunch of stuff is coming out it will not run under any circumstance

like starfield

and I'm concerned the ally will be the same way - able to run this year's AAA stuff but not next year's

so a AAA handheld at this point is only a AAA handheld for a year?

so yeah lots of ram and/or an eGPU option I think are what you need to future proof these (obviously not handheld anymore when using the eGPU)

[limber verge]

Faster ram would help more than having an extra 16 for igpu

[atomic copper]

i dont think the Air Plus will fare that much better.................

[rustic sluice]

New chip series, same socket so it was easy to upgrade the existing models. Air plus is also getting a 7840u refresh soon.

[wooden cloak]

honestly 32gb is the minimum to me but then again thats just because of workloads...

my main workstation is a 5950x/128gb ram cruncher

[atomic copper]

they are seriously pumping them out way too fast

[junior narwhal]

Gpd is doing the same thing rn

[atomic copper]

didnt say it was just aya lol

[junior narwhal]

Oh sorry I thought they implied aya 😂 but yeah x86 makers are moving quick. I’m not even disappointed in that it’s just boring to see only refreshes

It’s even worse since we are getting refreshes after only half a year has passed

[atomic copper]

this is why PC > handheld pc

the movement is alittle slower

[junior narwhal]

It’s gotten bad I believe the win4 and win4 refresh are only about 4-5 months apart

[atomic copper]

wonder how does the win4 owners feel

[junior narwhal]

As a win4 owner not great

😂

Especially since they are selling a better chip and double the ram at the same price as what I paid

[atomic copper]

OKAY now that part REALLY sucks

if it was just the chip, i'd be somewhat ok

[junior narwhal]

It definitely added some salt to the wound 😂

My first thought was oh this is how rp3 owners felt

[atomic copper]

well....imagine me opening my odin about 3 days ago

then found out about odin 2

except mine is alittle more palatable coz i didnt spend 700usd

[junior narwhal]

that’s rough did you at least get the Odin on the sale they did

[atomic copper]

nope. i got it through their indiegogo back in the day

got it in may last year

but didnt open open it fully till 3 days ago or so

but it still hurts coz i thought there wouldnt be odin 2 until 1 year after loki

[junior narwhal]

yeah and some Loki skus haven’t even shipped feel bad for them

[atomic copper]

supposedly theres quite a few qc issues with them too

[junior narwhal]

Yeah the battery issue

[atomic copper]

i think we can at least trust aya to not have this when they do the Pocket air

[junior narwhal]

Kinda scary

[junior narwhal]

[atomic copper]

like seriously....how. do they not qc this or qa it properly

[junior narwhal]

Well ayas air skus don’t normally have issues others have been rough as of late

[atomic copper]

they have been in the game longer

[junior narwhal]

They have similar issues from time to time the neo2/geek skus are cursed imo 😂

[atomic copper]

luuul

probably got too complacent

[junior narwhal]

It’s kinda of like whatever can go wrong has gone wrong

[atomic copper]

hopefully its a wake up call for them

or not

people will just buy anyways

[sturdy dragon]

I wouldn't feel bad about the Odin 2, based on how AYN launches products, it will probably be a year before Odin 2 is actually in people's hands. They just made the teaser because Aya did the Pocket Air announcement. They probably release more details as Aya's igg campaign launches so they can stay in the conversation.

[rustic sluice]

Either way it's a chip refresh every year if you want the best of the best.

[quick crescent]

What else has a dimensity 1200 in it? Have we ever seen it out in the wild before?

[shrewd gale]

gpd xp+

#1095085563205390347 message channel with gameplay footage of the XP+

[quick crescent]

Thanks! I’m pretty sure I’ll be picking this up. Odin 2 is intriguing but god knows when that comes out.

The pocket air seems to be a one of the most powerful android based devices coming out? Is there anything else to consider in this market?

[shrewd gale]

I'd say odin 2 but yeah as you just mentioned it's probably not gonna be out for a long while

the upcoming orange pi rk3588 handheld has me very interested. although it probably wont emulate quite as well as the pocket air, it should generally be at least a little better than odin and it will be able to dual boot android and linux

also it has a 5.5" screen while still managing to be a bit smaller than the switch lite

#1102802378496954389

[quick crescent]

Hmm I’ll have to check that out too.

I wish the razers edge had the sd 8 gen 2 in it. I probably would’ve sprung for that.

I don’t have any android handhelds so I’m being a bit picky with my first one. All my other devices are corpo or Linux (anbernic, miyoo, etc)

[full herald]

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ayaneo-pocket-air-light-thin-oled-android-handheld/coming_soon

[quick pollen]

The oled on this is super big. Gc, ds, 3ds, psp get such a huge boost with oled. Along with media consumption

[rain grail]

wtf

https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_fit,w_auto,g_center,q_auto:best,dpr_2.0,f_auto/r3iopyfldjy7yzumahme

Why would they make an image like that lol

[hazy smelt]

is this the fabled sleeping baby position?

[tiny moss]

https://youtu.be/eaBUeINW_3s?t=28

[hollow grail]

Has the price been revealed yet?

[lilac spindle]

nuh uh

[hollow grail]

Sadge. Is that supposed to happen tonight?

[civic kestrel]

I've heard speculation they're not going to release the price until their current indiegogo campaign ends

[lilac spindle]

thats how i feel about that

[civic kestrel]

Idk what that even means

[lime wind]

because they have supply issues

I guess they are more careful with their promises after air plus

[untold badge]

The Air Plus had its own issues because pricing that at that low for a company like Aya would have been insane on their bottom line. If I remember correctly they said they were losing money on those devices so they had to raise the prices or pretty much stop selling them all together. Either way, they were stuck in a rock between a hard place with that device.

Now granted, Aya should have probably not priced it that low from the get go but still.

Having said that, the Pocket Air is more likely 300-350. And compared to the XP+ (in which the only reason that device is that low now is because that device sold like hot garbage) the build quality between the 2 are miles apart. They're in 2 different leagues

[tiny moss]

Yeah I don’t think build quality was the problem with the XP+

So much as an x86 priced android only handheld with a mediatek SoC is an extremely niche product proposition

[untold badge]

It wasn't, but the quality of the XP is still outclassed by any of the Air line of devices. That was the point.

The main issue was that price, especially at retail

[timid hatch]

estimated price?

[lilac spindle]

7 dollar

[timid hatch]

add two zeros

[lilac spindle]

[rain grail]

That makes no sense at all, why would them having supply issues lead to upside down images??

[hollow grail]

They ran out of right side up screens for the photoshoot

[fierce minnow]

The main issue is the fucking SD card does not work and they never fixed it afaik.

Also the form factor is really weird/turns off a lot of people.

[atomic copper]

GPD XP+ its legit a phone with a controller, but much more streamlined, but still not streamlined enough to the point its like a dedicated handheld

you look at it and it feels........clunky

[tiny moss]

The XP+ had/has a lot of problems - just saying that foremost among them is that nobody paying that much for an android handheld

[junior narwhal]

How much was it?

[atomic copper]

arent they about the same price as an odin pro?

[atomic copper]

i recall it being around 339-380 during the crowdfunding phase

then it went up like $50 each or something

[junior narwhal]

Yeah that’s about what an odin pro was especially with the super pack

[atomic copper]

so for the same price as an odin, you get a stronger device CPU wise....but its not as streamlined

[junior narwhal]

Imo there is a market for a 300-400 android device

[atomic copper]

Pocket air price

$450

and does not come in black

https://tenor.com/view/bye-slide-baby-later-peace-out-gif-19322436

[junior narwhal]

I would stay away 😂

Throw the entire sku in the trash

[atomic copper]

the worst part..........

DPAD ON BOTTTOM

[junior narwhal]

I like dpad on bottom

[atomic copper]

https://tenor.com/view/cosmo-thinking-look-up-cosmo-the-space-dog-look-gif-27558429

[junior narwhal]

Because I prefer it for ps2 and streaming

[atomic copper]

PS2 controller is dpad on top

[junior narwhal]

Yeah but I think the games play better with stick on top

Or at least the ones I play

[atomic copper]

oh it never stops hurting............

i need more Cosmo quotes

[junior narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-bart-lisa-join-us-gif-13066208

[atomic copper]

never

PSP was dpad on top. PS vita was dpad on top, all PS controllers are dpad on top, heck the SNES controller was dpad on top

dpad on top is the way

[junior narwhal]

Just because something was doesn’t mean it should have been

[atomic copper]

you take that back!

[junior narwhal]

I speak the truth!

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-search-your-feelings-you-know-it-to-be-true-star-wars-gif-16574787

[atomic copper]

i could not retro game on my odin at all

it was so awkward

and that is how i know dpad should be on top

[junior narwhal]

Adapt and overcome

[atomic copper]

have tried

and reject

the one thing even the soviets didnt do to me was tell me dpad on bottom

[junior narwhal]

Why not get a d-pad top device for those games .and another device for gc/Wii+ era stick top

[atomic copper]

yea, the RP3+ was that device

[junior narwhal]

T618 just isn’t fast enough for what I want

[atomic copper]

it covered both ends relatively well, and placement etc was perfect

[atomic copper]

which was why i end up getting rid of mine too

its not fast enough for what i want, and it was too cramp feeling too. a grip didnt solve it

[junior narwhal]

I wish more companies would do the ktr-1 model

[atomic copper]

cramp as in too thin for my hands

[atomic copper]

yeap

and i totally respect Nil for it

i hope he has a revision, the KT-r2 with a stronger chip

[junior narwhal]

I have small hands and it feels cramped as well

[atomic copper]

i pray for those to thinks playing on the miyoo mini, rg nano, funkey etc

is comfortable

or i pray for my hands if i tried

[junior narwhal]

I called the Miyoo mini a hand cramp demon

All verticals are little uncomfortable for me

[atomic copper]

fun to have it tho

[lime wind]

lol, sorry, I thought this image had the “preorder july delivered in aug” text missing

[atomic copper]

you know how this device says pocket air retro edition

does that mean there is other colors?

its the same shell as the Air so i'd assume so

[tiny moss]

the current famicom colourway is the one thing I have zero notes on

it's perfect

[lilac spindle]

at the livestream thing they had on saturday they said there might be other colors

[atomic copper]

famicom color is........EWWWWW

shots fired

i also objection your objection

[wooden cloak]

You say that... but then realize the TJD T10 colorways exist

[atomic copper]

white blue orange all goods. Reminds me of Gundam

other two..........EWWWWWWWW

[sturdy dragon]

Since you don't know the correct d-pad location, your opinion has been summarily dismissed.

https://tenor.com/view/bad-dog-gif-9198112

Actually I will agree those yellow sticks are trash.

[untold badge]

Yeah they never fixed it

[untold badge]

The indiegogo was 350-450. Then it jumped up to $500-$600 at retail

[atomic copper]

https://tenor.com/view/cosmo-thinking-look-up-cosmo-the-space-dog-look-gif-27558429

DO NOT SAY THAT TO ME

[atomic copper]

...yea nah, i'd buy a windows handheld

[untold badge]

Yeah $500-$600 was death for that device.

[granite shale]

the only problem of gpd xp+ for me is , the screen is too bright

[sturdy dragon]

The XD+ pricing included their gimmicky controller setup, plus the chip is another year older. No reason why Aya can't hit $300 on the Pocket Air.

[tiny moss]

I think the d1200 is gonna be nothing special pretty quick here

so yeah hopefully that's reflected in the pricing

obviously I'd expect aya d1200 to cost more than anbernic or powkiddy d1200 but it shouldn't be monstrously more expensive than ayn d900

given it's been a hot minute

[lilac spindle]

theres gonna be a day when retroid and anbernic are gonna be using the d900

[tiny moss]

they might just skip it

max zhou already claimed d1200 is next for them

hard to justify an upgrade over the t618 without getting a full other gen of games

[lilac spindle]

oh

yeah

[weak spindle]

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ayaneo-pocket-air-ultra-thin-oled-android-handheld/coming_soon

[safe sphinx]

Meh

[tiny moss]

just waiting on price

[timid hatch]

Those sticks look so bad.

[tiny moss]

I like them

very retro famicom

or do you mean something other than the colour?

I hate the LED ring but I assume I can just turn that off

[junior narwhal]

I’m definitely not using the led ring either and I like the famicom look I have a bit of nostalgia for it

[tiny moss]

I don't have any real nostalgia for it specifically as a north american (I had the normal north american NES) but I love most 'old computer' aesthetics

at least outside of like plain black old sega consoles

[limber verge]

Wish the sticks were in red instead of off white

[timid hatch]

this would look better. stick looks like those handhelds people never take care of.

Over all look isn't bad. Just those sticks are off.

where is the offwhite color?

[limber verge]

maybe dirty white

[trail swift]

Pretty dirty white to me

[shrewd gale]

will aya or ayn announce the price of their upcoming android handheld first?

https://tenor.com/view/western-wild-west-cowboy-good-bad-ugly-gif-8589836

[weak spindle]

We know who will shipped first: Aya. Ayn is a powerpoint release, vaporware.

[tiny moss]

we know who will be better priced too

and who will have a better SoC

[weak spindle]

sounds like aya again

[tiny moss]

you think so? I'm concerned the pocket air is gonna be stupid expensive like $350+

[weak spindle]

at least it will be available to ship. people forget ayn shipping delays?

[tiny moss]

the key is you don't have to actually order any of these until they're in stock

[weak spindle]

I don't want a company to hold my money for a year

[tiny moss]

you usually only get the device like a month early by loaning them money for a year

[weak spindle]

I agree for any of these companies, you can sit and watch it from the sideline until it is in stock.

But ayaneo will be in stock and ready to buy much quicker than ayn

[tiny moss]

yeah it's just gonna be a hard sell if it's more expensive than an odin 2 for a d1200 while the odin 2 gets a 'better than an SD870' snapdragon

[weak spindle]

People need to realize Ayn spec will be outclassed by the time it ships because of all the delays.

[tiny moss]

so I'm really hoping this is aya's first actually budget/value device

d1200 will also be outclassed either by the time it ships or shortly after lol

because it's a much worse chip

[weak spindle]

but again, it will ship

Ayn is pulling your leg

[weak spindle]

as if ayn will do better

that is BS

[tiny moss]

You think they're lying about using a snapdragon?

[weak spindle]

Yes

[tiny moss]

what chip do you think they're using?

the snapdragon logo has been in a bunch of the marketing materials

[weak spindle]

it will change at the last minute. it will be crap

And remember Ayn lies about shipping times

[timid hatch]

AYN lies about a lot things. I am so glad the 199 cult died off a little. You couldn't criticize the device without getting timed out in Taki server at those times.

[lilac spindle]

what the hell 😭

[timid hatch]

720G SD

[hollow grail]

Hwat is the 199 cult

[tiny moss]

didn't ayaneo do the same thing with the air plus?

the pricing bait and switch

[full herald]

In the early days before AYN had revealed the name of their Odin handheld, it was known as the "199 handheld" since it was rumored to have a price of $199. Stratospheric levels of hype were built up around this handheld on Taki's discord server by him drip feeding news and by user made renders with the "nachosloth" lore.

It was one of the most effective marketing campaigns by a company that essentially had no marketing department, it was all user driven.

[shrewd gale]

fun times

[hollow grail]

Incredible. I'm guessing it was never available at that price, even for early birds?

[weak spindle]

exactly right

[shrewd gale]

odin base and lite were available around that price for early birds

[tiny moss]

Isn’t the lite 199 right now?

[shrewd gale]

shipping and taxes put them well over $200 but there's that

it is indeed

[lilac spindle]

the moral of the story is to never meatride handheld companies

[wooden cloak]

for me the other problem is its just a tad bit too big

[hollow grail]

I'd love to see something rp3 sized that's good at gamecube generation games but it seems like companies are struggling with that rn

[wooden cloak]

how much is the shipping on the odin lite?

vita for me is the bar

[untold badge]

$300-$350 isn't that bad of a base price. It's when it hits $400 as a base price is where it gets bad. Having said that it's going to start at 300-350 more likely

And we can say the chip is older, but you also have Ayn still selling a Snapdragon 845 almost $300 not on sale ($365 for the 256)

So my guess is $300-$350 at base. It passes $400 base, it won't go over well

We have to just wait, at least with Aya, the device should ship this month as long as they get more SOCs and that Mediatek doesn't run out of more D1200s again

[untold badge]

Nah they were upfront and said why they did it. It still sucks and that device didn't sell well at all but they were upfront about it.

[timid hatch]

How much was the GPD XP+ when it came out?

[untold badge]

$300-$400 on indiegogo. $500-$600 retail

The XP+ was extremely pricey at launch

[timid hatch]

I think this comes in at the 400 plus mark

[limber verge]

I believe retail price would be $400

[untold badge]

Higher models are probably $400. The base models at launch probably 300-350

[timid hatch]

I don't know. Aya has higher prices than most.

[junior narwhal]

Depends the air line was reasonably price and their geek line is the cheapest 7840u. Even the air plus was cheaper than the win4

Compared to the other x86 manufacturers outside the steam deck they aren’t that expensive

[untold badge]

Ehh. The Air line and the Geek line were pried really well. It just depends on the device and if the device isn't losing them money (see cheaper versions of air plus)

So this one has a high chance of being priced well.

If you compare it to the Steam deck, then literally every x86 handheld that's not Valve's is expensive, which is a unfair comparison.

[rustic sluice]

They include different color caps in the box.

[shrewd gale]

"But because the current BOM cost has exceeded 300 US dollars" and just like that I lost interest in this device completely

[hollow grail]

Sad

[limber verge]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[hollow grail]

Do we know when this press conference will be?

[sturdy dragon]

Ouch, likely just priced themselves out of a lot of sales.

[hollow grail]

I was quite interested in this but now most likely nah

It's gonna be damn forever before a good and at least somewhat small ps2/gamecube device comes out isn't it

That's actually somewhat affordable

[limber verge]

They're going to have a higher igg launch price than gpd XP plus 😒

[shrewd gale]

late August

[sturdy dragon]

We will see, maybe he will take a hit to break into the Android market, but I'm guess not. So he is likely going to price this out like a Razor Edge.

[hollow grail]

I was prepared to pay around $300 plus shipping and shit and pick this up but eh. Maybe if it's $350, idk

Looking like it won't be tho

[limber verge]

My max is 350 no more

[sturdy dragon]

The same, was willing to do $350 shipped, so no nicotine stained joy sticks for me.

[hollow grail]

It feels silly to even be considering this when I have a Deck but I don't really like emulating stuff on it

[sturdy dragon]

Unpopular opinion, but I love Android and wanted something smaller than the Deck with good battery life. This was checking the boxes as an upgrade to my Odin.

[limber verge]

I want a upgrade to my Odin with a OLED screen

[hollow grail]

I like Android too, haven't had any issues with it

[limber verge]

Plus it's small and lite compare to Sd and rog ally

[hollow grail]

Ye exactly, that's a big part of why I was interested

Still not pocketable at all but looks more convenient to carry around than the big'uns

[tiny moss]

no way $50 per unit recovers fixed costs on a unit bound to be niche

so my guess is at least $400

which is insane

honestly I see no way for this to make money - it's expensive so it'll spread the fixed costs across fewer units, which makes it more expensive, so the fixed costs are spread across fewer units, which makes it more expen...

[hoary grail]

I was interested in this -- it'd be nice to have something to sit between my Steam Deck and my lower end devices -- but if it's $400USD/$550 CAD, it'd be cheaper just to buy a second Steam Deck for emulation.

[tiny moss]

yup

[wooden cloak]

Shame

[atomic copper]

yea, DOA

shame, i was highly considering this for the oled panel

[tiny moss]

[atomic copper]

dpad is wrong place anyways, i would have hated it just for that

[lilac spindle]

damn

we truely
live in a society

[atomic copper]

unfollowing this channel.....see you all in other channels ❤️ also means i no longer have to see the Bad dog gif sent to me by @sturdy dragon

[granite shale]

It seems it is wise decision to pick the oled switch currently as my oled device as this is going to be > 300

[mental pier]

With djasho android is a doddle to set up unlike the faff that is emudeck.Problem with android is the ceiling is much lower.

[hazy smelt]

Let the doomposting commence... lol aya is always overpriced

Really we should've known tho, the only reason to be so hesitant to show price earlier is it's too damn high

[lilac spindle]

kinda felt like that

[fierce minnow]

It's also a full fledged smart phone, so they priced it like one.

[lean coyote]

i would be rocking an Xp+ as my smartphone if both sides of the controller came off and replaced with the cover cap

the biggest blunder was only letting the right side swap

[fierce minnow]

oh thats right, I forgot you couldn't swap the left side.

I never had one, so I was thinking they were fully removable; I take back my comment about being a full fledged smartphone.

[lean coyote]

aside from that it was, though. Its like the only one with full SIM card and calling support

[teal mason]

At that point just get an android and a backbone controller if you want it to be a phone so bad

[lean coyote]

yeah but the flimsyness of a usb-c connected backbone doesnt compare to the thick-ass magnetic sliding grip on the xp+

[teal mason]

true

[safe sphinx]

I had a feeling it would be around $350-400 def not worth it

[sturdy dragon]

Well d1200 is twice as powerful as t618 and 20-30% more powerful than the d900 in the Odin. Either way that pruce to performance puts it around $300. Still waiting for official price, but I thinks this will be another G Cloud situation. People will love it but only if they get it at a huge discount or 2nd hand.

[civic kestrel]

Or if for some weird reason they make this their only handheld. I can’t imagine giving up a ROG Ally or Steam Deck for this though. Maybe if you ONLY want retro emulation and want a smaller size…

[hearty bison]

you say that but didn't the Odin ship with upside-down screens for a while?

[timid hatch]

I kind of called it #1095085563205390347 message

[hollow grail]

You can rotate the screen in Android, how is this a thing lol

[civic kestrel]

Yeah I was thinking around $500/$600. Anything less than 300 seemed unlikely.

[tiny moss]

that's an insane price for a d1200

[limber verge]

It would be be a bigger flop than those lowend Intel AMD handheld

[tiny moss]

this is 20-30% more powerful than a $199 odin lite.

[limber verge]

Pocket Air Plus*

[vale pond]

Wait did I miss something? The price is announced?

[limber verge]

There was a post stating that the BOM for this device is around $300

[tiny moss]

They even acknowledge the 1200 is not a good chip anymore

Jeeez

[limber verge]

Probably need to ask taki what is driving up their BOM cost

[tiny moss]

OLED probably ain’t helping

[lilac spindle]

the fan cooling too

[hazy smelt]

Baby sleeping position ain't cheap u kno

[vale pond]

$300+ for 1200 is extremely uncompetitive. it is a skip from me. hopefully odin 2 will be something better when it comes out in late 2024

[lean coyote]

there are numerous steam decks on FB market under 300 around me

[teal mason]

lucky

[serene jetty]

I want Redmagic to release a gaming phone with magnetic controller attachments like the Pimax Portal. Hopefully they do a mid range model too - their top of the line models are too expensive for me.

[trail swift]

What red magic does that's special is but top of the line tech in there. If they skimp out, it wouldn't be anything special.

[untold badge]

Molds (because it's probably not the exact same as the original air), screen, buttons, hall analog sticks, ect....

This stuff can get expensive especially for a company like Aya. The original air was in the $500s (granted with a x86 chip). But molds are not cheap for a company the size of Aya

[untold badge]

It's good for a first android product. You still get your Emulation up to PS2 and Gamecube with most if not all the library. It'll be fine for a first chip.

And if we're talking about how old the chip was, the Odin was older than the newer chip that was out then when that device came out, than the d1200 is to the newest chip out right now. And the Odin can go up to over $300 and the Odin has worse parts in it than a Ayaneo Air does

And if we go off the XP+, that device sold like absolute dogwater. So GPD is probably cutting its loss with the device and selling them at a cheaper price.

[teal mason]

https://youtu.be/riWzr0U5Knk

[pastel mortar]

Gaming journalist moment

lmao

[timid hatch]

when will everything come out

[lilac spindle]

theyve been saying end of august but i think its gonna be more september october

[teal mason]

bruh

[untold badge]

Everything will be revealed in this month's press conference according to Arthur

[hearty bison]

man AYN's strategy worked, huh, no one is talking about this anymore

[tiny moss]

People stopped talking about this when it was revealed to be a d1200 for the price of a steam deck lol

[fluid bone]

Ayn has blue, they win

[hollow grail]

If anything, Ayn's best strategy was revealing the Odin 2 right after the price of "too damn much" became clear, and I highly doubt that was even intentional lol

[hoary grail]

I'm still kind of interested in it since I want something smaller than a Steam Deck, but since Aya Neo announced the price range it's made me think I should just get a Loki or an Air Plus instead. If it's this at $400+ (which comes out to about $550CAD) or something that can also do up to PS3 emulation and PC games for, like, $100 more, paying a little more for much better performance seems like a much better deal.

[quick pollen]

Price out?

[wheat falcon]

they said the material cost is $300 so there's literally no way they can beat a refurbished steam deck on price

[hoary grail]

Here's the quote again for reference. It'd be great if the Odin 2 reveal makes them lower the price, but given we probably won't see the Odin 2 until sometime next year and the Pocket Air is aiming for release within the next month or so, it's more likely that AYANEO are hoping that "I need it now!" beats "I can hold off a year to buy one of these when it's cheaper."

[lone parrot]

Womp womp. Welcome to the d1200 trench

[tiny moss]

I wonder how anbernic is doing

Since they were gonna do a 7840u and a d1200

And presumably are now realizing there’s no way for them to be competitive with either of those

The nano seemed oddly well received for being a closed source forked funkey clone

Dunno how successful the PS was

405v is appealing to me but I have a broken brain that wants uggo oddball handhelds

[fluid bone]

They're making a killing off 353v/vs,xx

[lone parrot]

The only way to truly mog the xp plus would be to release a mini x86 chromebook

[tiny moss]

True. Verticals are the best after all

[hot owl]

Huh?? Isn't it an Android handheld??

[lone parrot]

Like... How many people would buy a mini-x86 clamshell rolling a uhd615 gpu

[teal mason]

it is?

[carmine rover]

switch emulation

[teal mason]

yeah

[lone parrot]

eggns exists

its the only switch emulator d1200 really works well with

[sturdy dragon]

Ayn isn't above trolling them obviously, so maybe that is their lack of 7840u chips will make them sell this at a better price. 🤞

[tiny moss]

raises hand

[hot owl]

I'm confused how they got don't starve together on Android, maybe they got the name wrong and it's pocket edition

[trail swift]

I mean, I'm stuck between worlds. I've had the original Odin and I love it (even though I had to replace a stick right out of the box). Great performance and super long battery (seriously did a 10 hour flight and never had to recharge doing psp/PS2). But it topped out without some games I really want to play on PS2. So I got the air pro. Now I can play those games, and the OLED is heavenly and the sticks are 200% better and ergo is better overall, but... The battery life is rough, the screen is smaller, and it's quite a chubby fellow. And Everytime I pick up the Odin I get a smile, it's svelte and the screen is just the right size, but the buttons/sticks/triggers are all worse. So, getting a pocket air would be great, I might be able to play all I need on PS2, have better controls and ergo and have the battery, but smaller (but better) screen, and do I even need it? I have all my games/systems covered right now. Despite all their troubles, I could wait for the Odin 2, and maybe the chip upgrade is more noticable, and maybe they fix the sticks and ergo enough to replace my Odin 1? But then again, I love the craftsmanship and dedication aya neo has...

[cinder sun]

I think a d1200 will be fine what emu runs on android and requires more than that?

[lone parrot]

fine? you don't know this crowd.

[lilac spindle]

feral beasts the lot of em

[timid hatch]

Did we get a price. Being lazy don’t want to read the past 25 messages

[lilac spindle]

nope

[tiny moss]

D1200 is probably beefy enough for any emulator that runs on android other than switch - but it is mediatek which can sometimes have compat problems (and means it’s stuck with android forever) and more importantly the price is gonna be x86 territory

A lot of people assumed d1200 meant it wouldn’t be snapdragon/x86 priced

And yet here it is

[teal mason]

can someone make a list of android handhelds from weakest to most powerful, just include pimax, Razer, ayn, and any d1200

[lone parrot]

over 300 for base level price before distrobution costs, market inflation, etc.

i got my openbox XP Plus for 270. customer basically used it for an hour and then sent it back. imagine barely getting through the initial setup and thinking "screw this, i'm out."

[timid hatch]

That is a lot. Maybe just get a deck at that point

Sorry just thinking out loud

[tiny moss]

yeah just their BOM is apparently $300

and they still have to make up labour, shipping, taxes, overhead, R+D, etc

if the BOM statement is true even the indiegogo early bird first 100 promo nonsense or whatever they do will be at least 350

[timid hatch]

What is a BOM? Never heard that term

[fast quail]

Bill of materials

Cost basically

[timid hatch]

Oh ok

D1200 must be expensive to source

[quick pollen]

Oled retro gaming is such a fantastic game experience.

[trail swift]

It is! But 6 inch is the perfect handheld screen size... what I really want is for Odin and Air to stop playing games and just hook up and have a beautiful baby. They know they want each other

[hearty bison]

when you're making an Android handheld price is always going to be a big factor

[rustic sluice]

Until you get to the highest of tier products. If yours throwing in the top of the line chip you can get away with a lot more. But mid to low high end, price is strict for most.

[fierce minnow]

Agreed, Aya fucked up by not using the Air Plus screen here. 5.5 vs 6, it seems like a little thing but it makes a big difference.

[granite shale]

I agree , my OLED switch do that well

[cinder sun]

The air is oled?

[quick pollen]

I’ll be getting one this week! Going full oled everything when I can lol

[quick pollen]

Amoled and massive battery

[cinder sun]

Wow

I dunno folks it sounds pretty sick to me lol

I was kinda considering the odin 2 but oled is amazing

[quick pollen]

I mean it does actually sound like a sick console. Odin 2 I’d consider more to people if you wouldn’t get it a year and a half later, and if they actually dropped all the specs

[cinder sun]

Right I wish they weren't trying so hard to hype it

There's always a market for arm based handheld cuz the battery life is gonna be superior

It doesn't really compete with the steamdeck like that as long as they keep it small

[quick pollen]

I’m interested in final retail price, but the device in a vacuum looks really good

[cinder sun]

For sure

I just got a x55 so I shouldn't even be looking at these upcoming things

But I can't help it

[junior narwhal]

Nah the air oled is the better screen

[fierce minnow]

Better, but smaller.

The higher you go up in consoles, the bigger screen you need.

[junior narwhal]

5.5 on android isn’t gonna be as much of a con as on windows

[fierce minnow]

I hope not.

As it was awful in Windows.

[junior narwhal]

honestly even on windows it was worth the trade off

[fierce minnow]

I am not sure; it had enough power to play most of my stuff but the screen was so small I didn't enjoy it. PS3 games, or PC games, expect you to have a large monitor or TV.

So trying to read some text, I literally needed a magnifying glass.

So maybe since we can only do PS2/GC it will be feasible like you say, but I really wish it was 6"

[junior narwhal]

I play a lot of vns/indie stuff and that rarely came up. It was more the triple A stuff where the screen issue appeared

Owning both the air plus and air. The air screen gets dimmer (air plus is way to bright) while having way better colors. It’s a no contest on a android device imo

[fierce minnow]

I should have an Loki here tomorrow, so I will probably skip this one honestly.

Unless that turns out to be a POS.

[junior narwhal]

Which Loki

[fierce minnow]

A white 256 6600

6800 did not seem worth the extra.

But it should fill my same niche for the size as it shoudln't be too much bigger than an Air.

[quick pollen]

I just don’t think 5.5 or 6 in is small tbh lol

[ivory finch]

Depends on the game

[lone parrot]

depends on your eyes and if you have boomer reflexes

like, i need a laptop screen or larger to do Burnout Legends, but if it's something slower, like I dunno WRC? it's fine.

[timid hatch]

I know Zero boomers that play games in retro handhelds. The fact that term is over used makes me sad for the future

[untold badge]

Pretty much here. That 8 gen 2 is gonna be wild. $299 starting price (at least on indiegogo)

Uh yeah the Odin 2 is gonna be great as long as they don't screw up shipping and production the same way they did with the Odin Lite and Loki

[tiny moss]

I don’t think the speculative future odin 2 is why this is DOA

The current odin lite is

The d1200 is not enough of a boost over the d900 to be worth paying double for

[untold badge]

Eh. I agree with the Odin Lite being out is a big deter, but until that price for the pocket air comes out (in which if Aya sees the specs of the Odin 2, they might pivot to something else) then idk.

Remember this device was supposed to be revealed and come out awhile ago, but they detered away when the Ally came out and decided to put the 7840u inside the 2 and Air Pro

So idk at this point. What I do know is that the Odin 2 is extremely enticing

[quick pollen]

Oled screen adds a lot to gaming doe

At some point you are paying for luxury, and those luxuries are super nice

[timid hatch]

Who will be getting this over the Odin 2?

[lilac spindle]

people who want their 300$ thing sooner

[timid hatch]

I think this starts in the 400 dollar range.

[lilac spindle]

prolly

it does have a nice screen though

i will give it that

[hollow grail]

The oled display is somewhat tempting still but I doubt it's gonna be worth it

[lilac spindle]

its also orange

thats like

50$ right there /s

[timid hatch]

D1200 problems gives me pause on this. Well the price also

[tiny moss]

Yeah I think I’d just go d900 with an odin lite if I cared at all about price/current availability

[fierce minnow]

The odin lite is the best value atm for strong performance.

And the battery life is great.

The air b attery life is garbage and a half, so hopefully this is loads and loads btter on the pocket air since its arm based/android

[junior narwhal]

Going for both I think I’ll end up liking them both

I think ps2 and under the pocket air will be my preferred device (driver issues pending) and for Odin 2 switch/vita/pc

[timid hatch]

If I could I would go for both.

[junior narwhal]

I think for 95% of ppl Odin 2 is the obvious choice if your getting 1

[timid hatch]

I think this will be out in September time frame for 400 plus dollars

[junior narwhal]

I’m hopefully for $350 or less eb. $400 I would have to think about it for sure

[hazy smelt]

There's more differences than just the screen, if the pocket air was exactly the same as the Odin 2 but had OLED I would definitely buy it. I prefer the design of the Odin the layout of the speakers and buttons and better grips

[timid hatch]

I am not fan of the d1200. Just because the lack of driver support for it.

[untold badge]

That's with most if not all Mali GPU chips. They will always hang behind Snapdragon in that regard. Having said that, from owning a GPD XP+ for 2+ weeks, even though the device doesn't utilize the full chip, it plays GameCube at 1080p, Wii at mostly 1080p and PS2 at 2x-3x resolution.

If you want Switch Emulation then I completely understand

[timid hatch]

I get that it does many things well but at the 300 plus entry point. I want something that does everything.

[untold badge]

Then that would be the Odin 2 when that device comes out in 2084 (or probably around the end of this year)

Idk. I'm personally getting both regardless but as of now unless Aya does something crazy and announces they're upgrading the soc (which idk if they will, they could but idk), the Odin 2 is going to be your best bet

[timid hatch]

I think it will be our March of 2024 in all seriousness. After CNY

[untold badge]

That's fair

[timid hatch]

If the pocket air comes out in September. I might pick one up

[untold badge]

I hope it releases soon

Them just staggering is making even more people lose interest

[hoary grail]

It's at least up on their site front and centre now, so presumably that means it won't be too much longer until they start the IGG campaign.

[fierce minnow]

Pretty sure I'll skip this one.

For one I hate the color scheme.

[timid hatch]

color Scheme is super off putting. do we have dates and prices yet

[peak current]

Only price information we have is that Arthur said getting below $300 would be very difficult

[hoary grail]

He also said he'd be giving the price at their press conference in mid- to late-August, but I don't know if they've given an actual date yet, so...any day now, hopefully?

[tiny moss]

I love the colour scheme I’m just worried the price is going to be prohibitive

[untold badge]

The price hadt to be absolutely right now especially after seeing the Odin 2 prices

[granite shale]

what is the ram of pocket air? I forgot about it

[shrewd gale]

6gb ram. it should be enough ram for the games you could expect to run on D1200

[tiny moss]

So a significantly weaker device than the odin 2 on ram and CPU

And the real odin 2 price after preorder is 340

[granite shale]

The pricing of pocket air will be very interesting

Actually really don't expect odin2 info. and price come out earlier than pocket air

[teal mason]

It just did

[fast quail]

#1121418191713865729 message

[fluid bone]

This is sort of, DOA now

[hazy smelt]

Muh oled

[timid hatch]

I think the advantage this has over the Odin 2 is that it will be available sooner and OLED. But the color way is worse than the 505 yellow

[hazy smelt]

I don't know man, not much is worse than that piss yellow

I'll take the smoker tan sticks any day

[serene jetty]

finally a handheld with fast charging. your move ayaneo

[hazy smelt]

Being able to charge a handheld that can easily last like 8 to 12 hours, in like 1-1.5 hours is kind of insane

[serene jetty]

yeah, can't imagine having a device with the most power efficient chip, with an 8000mah battery, on power saving mode, playing lower end systems for like what...more than 24hrs. and then charges quickly too

[tiny moss]

8000mAh times the battery voltage assuming 3.3v (if that’s a dumb assumption let me know) is 26kwh so it should fully charge in about 30 mins at 65 watts

The steam deck only charges at 45 watts lmao

(And most retro handhelds at like 3-6)

[serene jetty]

wow, 30mins to full charge is crazy. hopegfully they sell replacement batteries long term too

[timid hatch]

Hoping they figure this out soon

[hazy smelt]

https://m.ithome.com/html/713633.htm

Rumor is there will be a pocket air pro with a SD8 Gen 2

Directly after the d1200 version

[hollow grail]

Lmao

[clever laurel]

His pricing on the 8g2 will be very interesting to see although there will be people that would pay a lot more just to have an OLED screen

[teal mason]

it’s gonna be like 500+

[timid hatch]

Then why get the d1200 one? Problem with AYA is they make their stuff old fast.

[quick pollen]

Dang that’s nice but I hear ergos on the airs tends to suck

But that’s like a perfect device otherwise

[teal mason]

I think I’m the only one who likes the pocket airs color scheme

[timid hatch]

There are a couple people. I am not one.

[teal mason]

[untold badge]

They had trouble getting the D1200 chips if I remember correctly

But still

[timid hatch]

At 300 plus dollars, best thing for AYA is to make this available ASAP

[tiny moss]

I do too

[untold badge]

I would bet this would ship before the Odin 2. Even if the IGG is in September or October

The biggest issue with Ayn is the shipping and when is the device going to get to you

[hollow grail]

I think the color scheme will look good with different stick caps

[rustic sluice]

For oled with a nice build I'll take it.

[umbral crown]

I think ayn and aya are just trying to outrumor each other. I would take this with a grain of salt. At least ayn has a video of the prototype.

[civic kindle]

I believe they are working on one, but original plan may be to reserve it for a pocket air 1s or 2 release 4-6 months later, Ayn just messed up their plans

[umbral crown]

Ayn annouced the soc. Aya is like 'oh yeah, we will make it too.'

[tiny moss]

aya was trying to slow walk to double dip on sales then ayn skipped the d1200 and ruined the scam

[umbral crown]

Ayn has d1200 all along and this rumor popped up suddenly. I find it a little sus.

[timid hatch]

I 100% agree. Better color on the sticks and this is a great color way

[civic kindle]

Their d1200 version was kind of put aside to focus on the 7840u refreshes as well, so that need to be taken into account

[umbral crown]

If it leads to faster shipment and innovation, i am all for it.

[timid hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/look-what-yep-this-gif-13617583

[umbral crown]

Double dip?

[tiny moss]

hoping to sell whales a d1200 now and an s8g2 in 6 months

when it would've been perfectly viable for them to just skip the d1200 and go straight to the s8g2

[umbral crown]

Icic retroid did the same thing.

At least retroid was cheaper.

[quick pollen]

Iirc retroid was within like 2 months?

[tiny moss]

but yeah somehow aya fucked up enough for the pocket air with a d1200 to cost them more to make than the odin 2 costs to buy

[timid hatch]

Iirc anbernic does this all the time

[tiny moss]

I dunno if they do vs just having to wait for prices on chips to come down

[timid hatch]

It was 6 weeks.

[tiny moss]

not gonna defend anbernic overall but I haven't seen them try to slow walk upgrades (if anything they don't upgrade their SoC as often as they should while making a ton of skus that are all the same specs)

anbernic's flaws are their software, terrible treatment of the community that makes their devices actually worth owning, and kinda expensive for where they compete (budget portable handhelds) especially after shipping

[timid hatch]

They don’t upgrade. They do make a handheld with the same SOC just better within months of each other.

Just all these companies do this in someway or another.

[quick pollen]

Yeah these companies want to sell you hardware. They aren’t making money anywhere else

[tiny moss]

I'm glad that as they run out of on paper improvements to make at acceptable prices they're turning to making innovative niche handhelds

like the RP flip, RGB30 with the 1:1 screen, etc

now we just need a portrait orientation touch device for pinball and nintendo DS and a 6 action button + clicky neogeo pocket stick handheld for fighting games/genesis/saturn/neogeo

[untold badge]

Well next week is when we get answers from Aya

So possibly Sunday

[lilac spindle]

the snapdragon wars
begun they have

[tiny moss]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-8ball-gif-23103663

[fluid bone]

Ayaneo: let's compete with the Odin2, $599 base sku

[tiny moss]

I'm curious

maybe they'll cancel the d1200

they'll probably try to compete with the 16gb sku

of the odin 2

[sturdy dragon]

If I was Aya I would scrape the d1200, reuse what molds, R&D, parts I could. If they can beat Ayn to shipping, they will likely pick up sales after Ayn announces their first delay and people get impatient.

[fierce minnow]

0 incentive to do that.

Given that Taki has videos of this from months and months ago, they're clearly already spent significant resources on the product. They're a hw company after all, much better to release an lower power device, and follow it up 3-6 months later.

If you sell them the Gen 2 right away, thats 2000-5000 less units you could have moved from people who buy the D1200 and upgrade later on.

If Ayn was going to get their product to market first it would be different but from all indications, these D1200 devices are going to be in peoples hands at some point in Sept.

So you can sell these and then come out with the refresh once Ayn is actually shipping.

[sturdy dragon]

Yeah, I guess your estimate of sales and mine have a zero or two difference in them

[atomic copper]

I'm keen on this again

OLED > LCD

Might be able to tolerate the color

[atomic copper]

but they need to up ram

the 6 on the 256 model wont be enough (if taki is to be believed that it has 6gb per his vid)

[untold badge]

Nah it wouldn't be that. If anything, it would be that the Pocket Air D1200 would be the base ones, and the Snapdragon 8 gen 2 is the one that gets thrown to the Max.

[limber verge]

$350 for a d1200 is still not a good value. They be better off with a 8 gen 2 starting at $400

[untold badge]

I think that's kinda the plan tho. Keep the d1200, and it is what it is. And then go all out on a Snapdragon version. And that one model is like the pro version.

Idk but I doubt they're scrapping the d1200 version at this point

[limber verge]

I still believe both anbernic and retroid are going to have d1200 devices late 2023 early 2024

[untold badge]

I wouldn't be shocked if they did

But I was thinking they would go to D900 before that

[lime wind]

all according to plan

[carmine rover]

LMAO

[quick pollen]

https://youtu.be/djrdOH3vlMs

[lime wind]

eta comes out with a video and it’s already wrong 😂

[hazy smelt]

the clickbait blue dpad and buttons, fuck this guy seriously

[teal mason]

ik

lowkey a blue one would be fire though

but those gray sticks

🤮

[hollow grail]

He just photoshopped it to have blue components? Why???

Reminds me of this thumbnail where he made the 405m look more purple so it would look like a gamecube device

[fallow haven]

When I saw the thumbnail for the first time I thought it was just lighting

But now I'm not sure

[hollow grail]

I think it is just lighting but it's weird like it's gotta be an intentional decision

[lilac spindle]

calling it just a retroid feels so like
weird

[carmine rover]

you can see round the edge, it's been edited

unless he used a spotlight or something, in which case why arent his fingers blue?

[lilac spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-wrong-with-you-why-are-you-blue-what-is-wrong-with-you-why-are-you-blue-brba-breaking-bad-gif-26777019

[hollow grail]

Oh true

Yeah that's fuckin weird lol

[hazy smelt]

dude doesnt give a solitary singular FUCK about ethics, dude out here hustling for his paper

he's a youtuber first, second and third, then maybe a gamer, then last a credible source of info

[hollow grail]

Yeah, honestly I sometimes watch him just because I enjoy his on-screen presence and I think he can be fun to listen to but I don't tend to take his opinions very seriously

[hazy smelt]

he has no opinions, hes a literal paid shill unironically

[hollow grail]

He was like all in on Retroid when the rp3 came out, then said the rp3+ was a bit pointless but still good, then iirc he dropped his rp3+ and it broke and he started going like "actually retroid fucking sucks bro, garbage company" lmao

[fluid bone]

Yeah, he's an infomercial

[lilac spindle]

bro is bille mays

[timid hatch]

I feel like this with most youtubers

[teal mason]

yeah I thought it was lighting too lol

[atomic copper]

Luuuuul so we will get next year. When there is a 8+gen 2 or gen3

[quick pollen]

8+gen 2 exists right? Soc for the ultra and rm8s pro

Basically just overclocked

[atomic copper]

That's not an 8+ then lol. The plus usually is alittle more than an oc

[quick pollen]

Sure I don’t know exactly what they did, but I believe it exists

[tall crystal]

What's the estimated price on this?

[fallow haven]

Not sure
But Arthur said their BOM is like $274 (2000rbm)

[hollow grail]

I thought we were talking about Wulff Den this whole time lmao

[timid hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[hazy smelt]

Wulff is OK, he's just like a guy, very casual but I don't have any issue with him.

[fallow haven]

He'll definitely shit on something that needs it that's for sure

Even if he shits on something for the wrong reason

[hazy smelt]

At least he feels like a real person and not a billboard ad

[fallow haven]

His human mistakes feel more real

[fierce minnow]

Curious why we aren't seeing anything based on D9000.

As I see this in some tablets.

[lone parrot]

probably not worth the trouble right now.

same reason powkiddy thought about doing an x86 handheld and then didn't make one

[lilac spindle]

they did?

wtf 😭

[fast quail]

That's probably for the best

[quasi talon]

https://youtu.be/F3G7GLTffLI

pocket S now? perhaps start of new thread xD

[hollow grail]

#1143189188167082054

[limber verge]

clickbait

[teal mason]

they finna release aya neo pocket geek

[tiny moss]

Pocket kun

[lilac spindle]

ayaneo pocket plus S

[tiny moss]

B.duck edition

And knuckles

[lilac spindle]

lmfao

[limber verge]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-db-shotgun-gif-21597283

[untold badge]

Yep this device is donezo

Unless you want a air version of a android handheld

[lilac spindle]

when the rp4+ has the D1200 chipset >>>

[lone parrot]

GPD Bros.... we're winning

[tiny moss]

If gpd does an s8g2 clamshell we’re winning

[timid hatch]

"IF"

[umbral crown]

I asked. No android device at this point.

[limber verge]

the neogaf FF13 meme

[fallow haven]

Such a goofy ass novel

[lone parrot]

lol

[hollow grail]

They targeted android users.

Android users.

We're a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end buying some of the worst, most expensive pieces of gaming tech there is. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a little trinket in our shelf.

We'll punish our selfs doing things others would consider wasteful, because we think it's fun.

We'll spend most if not all of our comparing mobile chipsets all to draw out a single extra frame per second in Spongebob Squarepants Battle for Bikini Bottom on the gamecube.

Many of us have made careers out of doing just these things: reviewing these devices, all day, the same companies over and over, hundreds of times to the point where we know evety little detail such that some have attained such android nirvana that they can literally picture the next Anbernic device in their head before seeing it.

Do these people have any idea how many microSD cards have been smashed, systems over heated, roms and ISOs deleted 8n frustration? All to later be sifted through i. Daijisho just bragging rights?

These people honestly think this is a battle they can win? They take our video game toy? We're already building a new one without them. They release a redundant video game toy? Gamers aren't shy about throwing their money to redundant products, or even making the products our selves after two years of delays. They think calling us racist, mysoginistic, rape apologists is going to change us? We've been called worse things by prepubescent 10 year olds in the kt-r1 disxord server. They picked a fight against a group that's already grown desensitized to their strategies and methods. Who enjoy the battle of attrition they've threatened us with. Who take it as a challange when they tell us we no longer matter. Our obsession with proving we can after being told we can't is so deeply ingrained from years of dealing with spouses and friends laughing at how pathetic are that proving you people wrong has become a very real need; a honed reflex.

Android users are competative, hard core, by nature. We love a challange. The worst thing you did in all of this was to challange us. You're not special, you're not original, you're not the first; this is just another hype cycle.

[hazy smelt]

Nice copy pasta

[lone parrot]

who let 4chan in?

[tiny moss]

but who is this 4chan?

[lilac spindle]

remember when this was gonna ship in august

[lime wind]

it is shipping in august

[clever laurel]

For Chinese customers yes

[fallow haven]

What if I bought the pocket air 🤔

Kidding it depends on price

[timid hatch]

Fix the stick color under 350 and I might bite

[sturdy dragon]

They are going to be making red sticks. Saw it on their discord yesterday. Doubt the price will be right though. 😅

[lilac spindle]

oh that looks so much better

[lean coyote]

Assuming it's like every other aya air device, the stick caps will be modular

[hollow grail]

Yeah that looks pretty nice with the red sticks :D

[quick pollen]

That’s pretty clean

[timid hatch]

I like this look

[timid hatch]

ETA on it?

[sturdy dragon]

They said shipping to Chinese market the end of the month and global next month, but nothing specific. Guessing IGG opening next week.

Aside from having a product in hand sooner (at least 3mo, likely 6mo) and a smaller Oled screen, not seeing the appeal of this over an Odin 2. Especially since they are going to be priced well above that $300 entry level Odin 2 mark. Their material costs alone are almost $300, plus the have to recoup R&D, etc. I would be surprised to see this under $400. Which is sad, because this could have been a great way to open a new market in Android for them.

I will give them credit for announcing/teasing the Pocket S though. They didn't pull and Retoid and sell you the inferior product while sitting on the upgrade you were going to roll out a month or two later.

[timid hatch]

At 350 I say it is still great if you get one in Sep

[fierce minnow]

I am absolutely certain that was 100% the plan, and they only teased it because Ayn started taking pre-orders.

[timid hatch]

Like AYN did with Loki. Does anyone have a non Loki Max?

[fierce minnow]

I do, I have a 6600u model, was shipped 4 hours after I ordered it.

[timid hatch]

when did you order it?

[fierce minnow]

Beginning of August.

And Yes, I think the Odin 2 pre-orders came out when they did because they saw Aya Neo was about to start Pocket Air pre-orders.

[sturdy dragon]

I honestly appreciate their timing. I might have actually gotten this and then lost money when upgrading Odin 2 later. I can't see this holding value once Odin is actually shipped, as the value to performance won't be there. But I guess anyone who does buy this will be laughing at me the next 6 months.

[hazy smelt]

@sturdy dragon aya only revealed pocket S due to Odin 2. They absolutely were going to sell ppl pocket air before teasing the S. Thank ayn for forcing their hand.

[atomic copper]

so what price is this gonna be at

1500????

[fast quail]

Odin 2s retail prices won't be as insanely good as the superfan+early bird

Gives the Pocket S more room to maneuver

But yeah Pocket Air

[sturdy dragon]

Nope, but it's public enough to make people question the price. I might actually pick on up after the Odin drops when people are desperate to sell their used ones for dirt cheap.

[fast quail]

That is always the best plan

[hazy smelt]

Staying one generation behind in Tech is always the most cost-efficient option

[sturdy dragon]

In this case 2 or 3 generations

[hazy smelt]

This applies to everything from PCs to TVs to handhelds, although there is some tech that advances so slowly that it doesn't apply such as sound systems and speakers. There are speaker systems from the early to mid-2000s that are still some of the best options for their price range 20 years later

[tiny moss]

still no price, odin 2 already accepting orders :/

[lilac spindle]

well ur pre-ordering for 2024

so

[teal mason]

I still know for a fact the pocket air will be available before the Odin 2 ships

[fluid bone]

That's awesome

Will it be cheaper and faster

[lime wind]

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/gaming?iso=20230830T20&p0=102&msg=AYANEO+Pocket+Air+livestream&font=sanserif&csz=1

it’s in full production

the cost of parts is >300 usd, so I am not expecting a cheap price

[fast quail]

The Pocket Air is probably going to be a sweet handheld

For someone else

[tiny moss]

I'll give him $250 for one

[teal mason]

350 max

after that no point

[hazy smelt]

Not even worth $350, that's the price of an odin 2 pro

This thing worth about $250

[lime wind]

there’s not much room to price this competitively

[lilac spindle]

tbh i feel like
the odin 2 is way too good to be true

there has to be a catch

[hazy smelt]

The catch is you don't get it for 6 months

[lone parrot]

i obtained my XP Plus for 270, open box, with one hour of use on it. Don't expect this to be less than that.

[lilac spindle]

wasnt the xp like 350

[lone parrot]

yeah

[lilac spindle]

yeah im guessing 350 for this straight up
however any second hand ones 🙏

[tiny moss]

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-trial-crazy-evil-ill-fucking-do-it-again-gif-17111514

Aya doing another d1200 at $350

[lone parrot]

it's such a freakishly powerful, but mildly innappropriate, handheld.

[tiny moss]

I don’t even think a $350 d1200 is a bad deal just compared to the odin 2, the d1200 at $350 is a bad deal compared to the d900 odin lite at $199

[lone parrot]

it's a pain to set up, because mediatek drivers, but once you do find the right version of every emulator, and some android games, you'll be fine

Citra was some drama. I thought for weeks no version was compatible with the d1200, and then i randomly tried out a back version of the universe edition.

[lilac spindle]

is there anyway to like
update the mediatek drivers or nah

[lone parrot]

nope. you take what you get

[lilac spindle]

wow that sucks

[lone parrot]

that's why so many people, taki included, felt the xp and xp plus were abandoned. they were released to the public and then gpd BTFO'd

credit there was a prerelease period where they listened to taki and made important changes to the devices. I play a lot of Sky, Genshin, and Dragon Quest Builders on mine.

[atomic copper]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-patrick-star-broke-poor-gif-14729256

[fallow haven]

For some reason the D1200 chip (and board) were prohibitively expensive
And it just makes me wish they had used something different to begin with

[granite shale]

things is not yet wrong until AYN announce odin2

[tiny moss]

Should’ve been a 3588

[timid hatch]

I don't like Dimensity SOCs that much

[safe sphinx]

Wait I thought they had a store in NYC I read this wrong 😭

[hazy smelt]

I'm guessing this will be $350-400. Compared to odin lite and odin 2 though it should be priced around $250.

We find out later today I think

Anyone interested in this just grab 6gb model. 8gb won't let you do anything more, you'll be processor limited and 6gb is enough for ps2 and gc

8gb version is actually pointless

Unless it's only a few dollars more

[lime wind]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUltb989xhE

[clever laurel]

Time to clear the rest of your day

[hoary grail]

Not going live on Indiegogo until next week?

[clever laurel]

I dont understand why the wait for another week. Surely its ready to go

[tall crystal]

Any price yet?

[clever laurel]

Nope. Only 2 hours in though so it could be revealed anywhere in the 3 hours to 4 days

[hoary grail]

Did the stream just end with no price or release date?

Edit: ah, turns out they just took a random sizzle reel break for no reason

[clever laurel]

He's explaining why it's expensive but no price yet. 'High end' product is one of the ways he described it.

This price is going to be scary

[hoary grail]

Here it comes now... hopefully

[hidden gyro]

That’s the price for Chinese market

[fallow haven]

2399 is the equivalent of $329

[tall crystal]

🤡

[hidden gyro]

So essentially the same price as the Odin 2

[hoary grail]

Wait, it's cheaper outside China?

[tall crystal]

I am so confused now.

[hidden gyro]

Wait

This is the “official” price, turns out the first one was a joke

[tall crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/they-had-us-in-the-first-half-not-gonna-lie-gif-13620240

[fallow haven]

$279 usd

[rustic sluice]

Prices before and after ayn

[fallow haven]

Indiegogo base model is the only one that makes sense

[tiny moss]

I mean full retail the base model is $20 cheaper than the odin 2

Worse SoC, nicer screen

[sturdy dragon]

Also less Ram

[tiny moss]

6gb should be fine for anything but switch, and if you want switch you’ll want the s8g2 anyway

[teal mason]

279 is actually pretty nice

[hoary grail]

This seems...not too bad, price-wise. How much worse will the performance be?

[rustic sluice]

This includes shipping, so no extra cost there, just import tax if applicable

[rustic sluice]

About half before OC

[untold badge]

A decent amount. But if you want up to Gamecube and PS2, this is perfectly fine

[sturdy dragon]

If early bird includes shipping, then it is more tolerable.

[rustic sluice]

Does give good hope for the S not being seriously overpriced.

[hoary grail]

Also, they've kind of undercut themselves by announcing the successor should be out by the end of the year.

[rustic sluice]

All Aya prices include shipping

[tiny moss]

Wow, shipping included is actually huge

That means this is significantly cheaper than the odin 2

[untold badge]

Welp Aya proved a decent amount of people wrong

[sturdy dragon]

I wonder if Early Bird pricing is limited...

[tiny moss]

I am probably still gonna pass on this but it gives me hope that the aya neo S won’t be silly expensive

[teal mason]

Probably 100 units

[peak current]

It's still a bit pricey, but it'll ship way before the Odin 2

Even if Ayn is on schedule

[clever laurel]

As it should be

[rustic sluice]

Also they all come with a case and screen protector

[hoary grail]

Shipping in September, I think he just said?

[hidden gyro]

End of September for shipping to global (outside China)

[rustic sluice]

Price is actually pretty good considering everything included

[shrewd gale]

agreed

[hidden gyro]

At least their shipping track record is pretty damn good.

[shrewd gale]

pricing for the 8gb and 12gb ram models is questionable but pricing for 6gb even at retail is very reasonable

[hoary grail]

No further restocking once they're sold out? That's a good way to increase interest.

[sturdy dragon]

Aww limited amount, selling at a loss. So they got out played and are trying to save face and sell off stock.

[hidden gyro]

It was probably too late to cancel this, so yeah sell at a loss, sell out, and then focus on Pocket S.

[clever laurel]

Comparing the Odin 2 early pricing tiers with the $279 it's not much different. That tier was $242 plus shipping.

[hoary grail]

And now he's explicitly saying it!

[clever laurel]

I'm surprised with the $279 price. Arthur was giving us a long speech about why this is expensive lol. Decent price in the end though

The 12gb is completely unnecessary though

[teal mason]

I'm pretty sure the pocket s will be 499-599

[fallow haven]

He's outright saying it's being sold at a loss to focus on the S?

[teal mason]

I try to get a pocket air early bird unit. That oled is so tempting

[hidden gyro]

Makes sense why they are including accessories too. Not everyone buys a case, but they likely want to clear out of all of the accessories for this at the same time.

[clever laurel]

The BOM was around $270 I believe before r&d, software development etc so yeah I'd assume this is being sold at a loss

[peak current]

That retail price for the 6g is exciting, gives a consistent buy