ark-2

[hearty osprey]

LoS is still ASA, it's a ark2 prequel in ASA
If Santiago shows up will depend on vin diesel, or they will strat pivoting harder to Karl hurbem (bob)

[worldly garden]

LoS is a "standalone" ARK 2 prequel DLC for ASA. My understanding of it being "standalone" means unconnected to the rest of ASA.

[hearty osprey]

At most the connection I see them implementing is skins u earn in that dlc that u can use elsewhere

[mystic wharf]

So you mean legenf of Santiago is kind a new game ? Because if its not related to asa , then its literally a new game

[worldly garden]

I believe it is meant to have more mechanics to what they intend to use for ARK 2, hence why it will be a standalone DLC. In a way it can give ASA players an opportunity to see what ARK 2 might be like.

[mystic wharf]

So do you think legend of Santiago will have third person only caméra and soulslike combat or not at all? What éléments do you think are gonna be différent ?

For me it will just bé asa but with ark 2 mechanics

[hearty osprey]

Don't think they have talked about it enough for anyone to do any major predictions

There's just the blurb in 490 and like the 3 interviews Jeremy gave, in which I think he focuses more on 5.7 and gen1 than anything else

Don't remember any major thing about LoS in them

[worldly garden]

“We’re taking a lot of the systems developed for ARK 2 and moving them into Legacy of Santiago because we’d like to get player feedback on them and prototype them to reduce risk,”

Stieglitz had spoken about some of these new features coming to ARK: Survival Ascended with the release of Legacy of Santiago in Q4 2027. He noted that, while the expansion won’t feature the narrative things we can expect from ARK 2 when it finally launches, it will bring with it things like Soulslike third-person melee combat.

[hearty osprey]

Nice, on the soul like melee

Probably a extension of what the Tek spear introduced

[tribal chasm]

There is a flaw with their test, in that there's already a heavily filtered community playing ASA at the moment

and one of which has a playerbase where nobody can play the same game...which they are of course welcome to do, but it's like 20,000 people playing 20,000 different versions of Ark

[blissful perch]

Not sure I’m following

[hearty osprey]

Yeah, but could still be a good stress test for the mechanic and to see how many ASA people could be interested in the jump

[mystic wharf]

Oh okay, so the new DLC is completely separated from ASA? That could be interesting, but i wonder what are they gonna do ? reuse the same game , same caméra etc.... and just tweak tiny things, or doing a major modification on the gameplay taking assets from asa but changing completely how its played and how it looks , like for example a completly new camera type , new movement etc....

[hearty osprey]

We have no idea if ark2 will be as customizable as Ark has been in terms of settings

[mystic wharf]

If the changement are small , it will still feel like asa not a standalone

[mystic wharf]

?

[tribal chasm]

Take a game like Rust, 10k servers, 50k players atm -- community play mostly the same conditions;
Ark: 100k servers, 30k players -- very few people want to play under the same conditions

I will backtrack though and say I am looking forward to seeing what comes from Legacy of Santiago >.>

[blissful perch]

I see the point here, but I’d also say that’s fine if Ark 2 also plans to be customizable

The massive bulk of players may change rates and content, but (mostly) people are all working off the same foundational mechanics and systems. So while it’s certainly true from an “official balance” perspective that some stuff may be tougher to test (though I doubt that given official servers give plenty of data themselves), I suspect the model will provide plenty of data to help improve Ark 2

[tribal chasm]

Hmm yes - good point

[mystic wharf]

I would like if legend of Santiago will have everything that asa has but with gameplay made from scratch meaning new caméra and why not new way to play

[winged dome]

So let me get this straight,

Your biggest complaint, whether or not you will even play Ark2 is based on whether or not your character direction is locked to the direction the camera is facing? Am I understanding that correctly, because that is really the only difference I can think of between Enshrouded's camera and ASA's

[mystic wharf]

the biggest change i want see or maybe the only one ,the rest is decent for me , like some want see better combat i want see better camera , nothing deep or strange just better stuff for better immersion

[mystic wharf]

But I dont really think they gonna change any of the camera , they are probably gonna make how the tek spear works and make it better @worldly garden

[blissful perch]

If this is true, best I can say is “stay tuned”. Santiago dlc may have what you seek, but frankly that sort of thing may simply not be something you can see until we get Ark 2 gameplay reveals. I doubt Asa would alter this sort of thing in its lifetime, at least for most of its official content lifespan

[mystic wharf]

Well good... That would be cool

[winged dome]

Ok, so, define what that is.
What makes a better camera a better camera?
All I know is that you don't like the ASA camera for some reason, but Enshrouded's is ok? What makes that difference for you?

[mystic wharf]

The enshrouded camera for me just feels a lot more free and open while for me asa caméra just seem rigid and tight and not my type, mostly the feeling of it but i Play first person too just the third person have to be like GTA 5 or enshrouded style i just dont like the style of Moving forward only in asa , its just style préférence

[winged dome]

I've played Enshrouded for a hundred hours or so and I honestly can't recall the camera controls really being any notably different from ASA's - but it clearly didn't bother me as much as it bothers you

[mystic wharf]

I find asa caméra so harder to control compared to enshrouded but each has his own opinions

Everything else in asa is top for me at least décent

Some are trying to steal asa ideas and making a game similar not us but other developers

With différent graphics différent look just a lot of ideas

[mystic wharf]

Whatever that's strange that legend of Santiago has nothing to do with asa

I dont even understand what they mean by that

Will it be something made from 0? Like a new game ?

Or it will be asa but they will just add some things?

[dire needle]

Probably same

[mystic wharf]

If its the same that's not a problem

Gonna be a bit disapointed but hey

[dire needle]

Ye , i really like when this is silent

I was tired of peoples talking lol

So much better.

[tame geode]

You're right so much better when it's literally just "Ark 2 is a myth" and "We're getting GTA VI before Ark 2 hurr durr" posted nonstop.

[true viper]

From what we know, it's meant to be a prequel to Ark 2 (probably an excuse to further test Ark 2 features before it might release in EA). They're touting it as 'brand new experience' in ASA, so I have to assume that they're meaning that in terms of gameplay, hopefully with regards to combat. There are retargeted Ark 2 player combat animations in the ASA dev kit, in the Lost Colony folder, so those could possibly be introduced in LoS.

[tame geode]

I'm wondering if that means it'll have a custom game mode that uses a new player character and controller. If not... then I'm to stupid to understand what the point of testing any sort of Ark 2 combat in ASA would be.

[mystic wharf]

If the game is played the same way why it would be a différent game

And if it will be controlled and feel the same way there is no purpose

[mystic wharf]

Ye for real,

Annoying peoples as Always

[dire needle]

Im glitching

[mystic wharf]

Lol

[mystic wharf]

Why they dont just bring all asa assets but make a new game from 0 with legendof Santiago

[dire needle]

Still very silent these days i like that

[dire needle]

I think from now on its gonna stay silent like that

[charred yoke]

What’s gonna be different abt ark 2 compared to the other games? Like what new features will it have

[winged dome]

'Souls-Like' combat, forced 3rd person camera, new movement options (climbing, vaulting, mantling), dynamic world events (creature migrations, interactions ect), component based crafting, story is going to be more accessable

[mystic wharf]

Lol wouldnt be cool ?

[blissful perch]

And a skill tree

[dire needle]

So cool , im tired of peoples talking lmao

[blissful perch]

Well we kinda saw it already with tek spears. I think Santiago however could be a playground to really dive deeper into larger mechanical changes just meant to stand away from the rest of Asa’s content

[dire needle]

I think ark 2 will just have the same camera type as asa just like the tek spear but made better maybe...

The tek spear of asa doesn't have the camera you want , but its still like souls like combat so im pretty sure ark 2 wont have a free caméra .

Ark is just a low quality game

[mystic wharf]

Then ark 2 doesn't interest me , because asa already has what i want just a better camera was what i wished in the version 2

[winged dome]

There's no point in getting worked up like a child when we don't even have gameplay trailers yet showing how it will be.

[mystic wharf]

But zen who is worked up like a child? @winged dome

I dont see it

Just tell me

My long time friend who betrayed me once

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[winged dome]

I didn't mention the skill tree since LC technically added one lol. But yes, hopefully a much more expansive and engaging one for players, and hopefully for creatures too

[blissful perch]

I’m hoping the LC skill tree is uh, not the one we see in ark 2

[mystic wharf]

Im trolling hard in case, zen my closest friend , im not worked up

[blissful perch]

I’d like a skill tree a bit more focused on reasonably achievable goals that aren’t tedious to perform. Gathering materials to build a base for example as earlier game quests than say killing large creatures or doing story missions/raids/etc which may be expected for later game characters and might be more fun than asking them to get 5000 wood or something

Ideally even have quests specific to certain classes of creatures etc, such as “kill X Rexes with creatures that are of a medium or small size class” since I can’t seem to get over my desire for a size based class system in ark 2

[mystic wharf]

The développers also are low quality

[red bloom]

I upload a lot of stuff, and I tamed a lot of the nice, beautiful color of the Acrocanthosaurus . I lost everything at transmitter. I can't find it any more.

[hearty osprey]

Honestly the LC skill tree quest are already a good deal close to what u are saying, yes there's many grinding one (it's ark, half the gameplay is grind)
Asking to kill string enemies, alphas, doing outpost
For the kill rexes with small, we have the get XP in x group, yeah not as restrictive as the other and less challenging

The class systems closest thing we have is drag weight but it's a really bad way of doing a class systems

[blissful perch]

Yes that’s why I’m hoping for a better defined class system of say “small carnivore” or even better “raptors” versus “canids” etc

[hearty osprey]

If u lost stuff in upload, don't upload anything else, don't download anything else
Doing so will overwrite and permanent lose Ii

[blissful perch]

Agree a lot of it is standard Ark grind, but what I found perplexing about the LC tree is that sometimes the requests didn’t really “fit” the player progression stage or really fit well against each other. For example you’d have “get 1000 stone” next to “tame 3 Rex” or “do 3 hard raids”

[hearty osprey]

Yeah, they are only separated by the number of skill Collums u completed

[blissful perch]

I don’t mind the LC tree as a test drive, but I’d hope in ark 2 it would be a bit more sophisticated

[hearty osprey]

All 5 intervals of skill Collums have a pool of 15 to choose

Rng can end u up with a weird mix

[winged dome]

Would also be nice to have tasks that are always completable regardless of map/cluster. Having to kill Rockwell or King Titan while not having access to those maps is annoying

[blissful perch]

Limits in general based on settings would be nice

Would also be interesting to have them scale (funny but maybe unwise) with settings such as requiring 500 stone at 1x but 5000 stone at 10x gathering rates

[winged dome]

Gather 10000 Black Pearls

[hearty osprey]

Yeah, that's more of the LC ones, the global ones weren't made with any specific map in mind

WC seems to treat most things with the presupposition that there's always a cluster available

Honestly surprised no modder has touched the skill/quest system

[blissful perch]

It does make me wonder if it’s like the fishing system, which I’ve heard is rigid and very painful to mod (at least in ase)

[hearty osprey]

I'm not smart enough on the devkit to comment

[blissful perch]

It would be cool to have custom quests tho that for example take mods into consideration

[dire needle]

Worst game i played though.

[mystic wharf]

Glopum glopum true

[untold ingot]

We need fluff for that

[mystic wharf]

Everything is rigid in asa

That's why i have a complaint for being not enjoyable

The game doesn't feel like its a complete game

It looks like its a half done game and i dont want to wait for years or for ark 2

A lot of immerssion is taken out because of this

The developers are jokes

They just make half done games everytime

[dire needle]

Its because of the players

That play this game

[mystic birch]

Protect the inner system of bugs with proper separation of concerns and make sure that the architecture of the code is actually testable and scalable.

Right now the game resembles a junior's experiment at college.

[dire needle]

I agree with you friend

[mystic wharf]

I like The last line because its very true but some nonsense peoples @winged dome like to defend them that's why the game is shitty

Finally someone who doesn't put fanatism into the game that's hard to find though

[mystic birch]

Reality speaks for itself.
I didn't play any game that had so many bugs, crashes and updates that break the online gaming system for everybody.

I am a software engineer, I work closely with other stakeholders and the result here is really absurd. I didn't get lost colony because everyone said it is riddled with bugs.

I prefer less features and a working game, and I believe most people would want the same instead of having their stuff destroyed every once in a while.

[mystic wharf]

Some say its fine for them but for me its the worst game i ever played in terms of everything

[winged dome]

See, thats the neat thing about opinions (which we've discussed before);

Everyone has one, and none are wrong.

[blissful perch]

it's stunning to me how ark is riddled with bugs (and always has been) and how often this exact argument comes up...followed by people still buying it in droves. I suspect there is a scale of "content vs polish" and this content is so attractive to a large enough group of people that polish can be dubious without tanking the project

what's most insane to me is that WC seems invested in officials into ark 2 even despite them being the most vulnerable to bugs/issues that can cost people up to hundreds of hours of progress

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[untold ingot]

The ark community is a special breed. Tbh I'm really glad I don't have to deal with gaming communities for work.

[lapis siren]

Mybe ark 2 was the memories we made along the way

[tender kettle]

We will have Diddy Release before Ark 2 comes out

[mystic wharf]

Veloci find you annoying because you say that

[cold cradle]

Once the Ark Genesis story concludes there is nothing left but the start of a new planet, leading to Ark 2?

[worldly garden]

Wildcard makes half done games every time? They've only made ARK. besides, ARK 2 will be an early access title, it won't be finished when it releases.

[dire needle]

By half done game he means a lot of things seems unfinished, bugs , dinos getting stuck everywhere, dinos staying like statues not Moving,stuff like that , it doesn't feel like its a well done game .

Or a finished game .

Described as finished for the developers of asa, which sounds stupid .

[mystic wharf]

Nevermind im tired of talking about something that will never change lets talk about something else i think i might be out maybe

[dire needle]

For real peoples are boring

[mystic wharf]

Ye Honeslty they need to work on ark 2 and make a better game asa is already full of trashy shit.

[mystic wharf]

Its stunning that you dont get that they dont care and they will never improve asa

Ark 2 they will care more so less bugs

So stop contuinuing to be dedicated to asa and lets say tô them to release ark 2

Like lets say to the devs we dont want no more asa dlc we just want ark 2 , then they will release it and it will be a lot better than asa in my opinion

Tbh what's the purpose of asa?

Its feel like ark 1

Better play ase then

That's why ark 2 is the best thing to release

Asa is useless

The joke is that its the same experience released as a new game lol.

[dire needle]

True ignore asa tbh

[mystic wharf]

Its looks like a bullshit of a game , thanks for the developers to say its a better version of ase although dinos are still stuck everywhere, still being statues, still being garbage , they game is full of glitch, still not Moving when you let your tame wonder around ,its because of the fanatics that this game is trash ,

The devs stole their money

A remaster has to have better immersion

Not the same

[blissful perch]

In theory there’s Santiago’s legacy, which I think serves as some flavor of bridge between Asa and Ark 2?

[dire needle]

That's why i will never be a fanatic as them .

[mystic wharf]

That's stupid they are making more maps for Money and all of you just are fine with that normaly they would have released ark 2 by now Legend of Santiago is useless why making just a dlc for ark 2 and not just releasing ark 2, that's stupid, that's why games are boring because its full of hardfanatics as you that are fine with developers bullshit

[lofty vortex]

when ark 2

[dire needle]

True , The fanatics are pathethic and annoying peoples , you should ignore them , i ignore them personally.

[mystic wharf]

True They are a pain , there is a game that some Peoples make and they call it the ark killer , i really think that ark gonna be abandonned because of this game because its the same concept but with better immersion , and better in every aspect , there will be créatures animations , mounts , building etc.... Not our game but another game i know honeslty i would not care if ark will be abandonned because im not a fanatic mostly not a fanatic of the developers and i want a better game

[dire needle]

Bahahaha

Its time for ark to be replaced

By a better ark

Since the developers dont care

One thing is that the so called hâter of the other game they dont know they will probably play it , such pathethic peoples

[worldly garden]

What makes you think they will care more about Ark 2? At the end of the day they'll still likely have a very busy and tight pipeline to work towards. This is the main reason ASA is in the state it currently is. There's no reason to think Ark 2 would be any different.

[cold cradle]

Also you should take into account they are still testing Unreal Engine 5 in preparation for Ark 2 which takes a long time

[worldly garden]

Put your money where your mouth is.... what game are you talking about that will make ARK and ARK 2 be abandoned by players?

[deft raven]

That’s what I wanna know 🤣

[split dove]

they don't care, yet they're both here everyday like broken records . almost seems like one schizo on 2 burner accounts

[dire needle]

The only schizo guy seem to be you though, Always making assumptions of what we say .

And modify it to your own hypocrite liking

[split dove]

whatever you need to believe to live in your own delusions i guess

[mystic wharf]

Flobs is the worst hardfanatic of this server though, ignore him that's because of him that games are so bad.

[split dove]

please ping the messages where i'm a ''fanatic'' to you. and no, me dissagreeing with you doesn't make me a fanatic btw

also hilarious you are going on about others making assumptions about you as if you're not repeat offenders

[mystic wharf]

You are just a fanatic agreeing with all of the peoples that dont like the fact that im more into ark 2 denying stuff doesn't make you any better .

[split dove]

so you have no source nor arguments, got it

[mystic wharf]

Schizo making his own conclusion i already told you the arguments, why you are ignoring them ?

[split dove]

ragebaiting technique needs some work

[mystic wharf]

Then if ragebaiting could kill you , you would have been already dead

[dire needle]

Ignore that loser , its a waste of time talking to childs .

[split dove]

no need to talk about yourselfes lads

[mystic wharf]

Ye or a hardfanatic bot lol

[split dove]

ark 2 isn't real and Klaus Schwab made it up so that wildcard can become property to the world economic forum

[worldly garden]

Lets not all get personal in here, it's not needed. But let us all in on what this game is? You mentioned a game but never backed it up with a name.

[split dove]

when hell freezes over GP

that's when we will be blessed with the title

[dire needle]

I have a question Do you want ark 2 or not ?

[mint pine]

Windrose is basically Ark2 with a tweak

[split dove]

i do want Ark 2, but i also understand the number of reasons it's taking this long. i also don't fully love Asa but you don't see me beating a dead horse constantly. i keep my engagements civil even if i disagree on multiple points and only lower myself to the level of others if i see they're not going to bother themselves

[split dove]

this was the most obvious sarcastic ragebait sentence you could read tbh

[dire needle]

If you want ark 2 why are you fighting with us ? Is it because you are stupid ?

[split dove]

gee wiz, here i am talking to you normally as you wanted and yet you're both starting the arguments a majority of the time like this before they spiral. and you wonder why people seem ''hostile'' the longer these discussions tend to go on

i said my peace and i'm bouncing

[untold ingot]

Are you secretly Nero on an alt?

[split dove]

also you're calling people stupid? ''pot meet kettle moment'' if i've seen one

[old raft]

ark 2 is a myth?

[untold ingot]

Because I've never seen you productively add to any conversation

[split dove]

complete the free trial and watch the add to find out

[untold ingot]

You've been here like 2 months. You haven't said anything interesting other than hard backing Nero. Get a grip

[split dove]

please define your definition of ''fanatics'' i'm still waiting on an answer from both of you two

[old raft]

free trial?

[split dove]

sarcastic joke

earliest we can expect to hear from Ark 2 is after Legacy of Santiago in Q4 2027 (Q2 2028 tbh)

[untold ingot]

I'm hoping we start to get teasers mid 2027 again

[split dove]

that was a fun time

[untold ingot]

Those were the good daya

Everything went downhill

[spare wing]

👻

[dire needle]

So stupid that i will make No comment .

[tame geode]

@dire needle 🥱

[winged dome]

Now, now - let's not stoop to their level by tagging and inciting bickering

[tame geode]

Was trying to reply to their last jab at me, but goofed it on mobile. There was no going back. Ya hate to see it.

[astral token]

I doubt it xD

Damn the saga in this chat is really something!

[spare wing]

👻

[tame geode]

I'm doing my part! I'm part of the problem!

[quasi hull]

i know its not comming out before gta 6

[hearty osprey]

Yeah, no one is claiming anything close to it

[covert spoke]

see you guys in 2028-2030 when ark 2 release, and they invest in a better anti-hack, and isolate servers by regions on pvp clusters, and put unique ids,names, so we dont need to handle with human1, human2, meshing the entire game with 2400 dupper flaks, and bugged dino mutations.

[mellow vale]

No

[winged dome]

Or just not have Official servers at all, and largely solve most of those problems in one go.

[tribal chasm]

Say you wanted to host each map with 70 players for 1 year, it's going to cost us regular folk like $8000 USD a year

[quasi hull]

hosting optimization would be nice... but well ark and optimization in same sentence its almost every time a joke

[winged dome]

That's a sacrifice I'm willing to make

[hearty osprey]

Or just self host

[hearty osprey]

Hosting your own server in your own machine is quite easy to do

No point in paying nitrado

[quasi hull]

try hosting 6 maps + mods and event servers on your laptop then come back here to tell how stupid you sound rn

[tribal chasm]

I was referring to even a small cluster of servers that might mimic what official players (both PvP and PvE) currently have, it's very expensive.
Self hosting is not suitable for large amounts of players or multiple servers (usually)

[quasi hull]

70 slots btw thats a minimum for servers these days

[quasi hull]

someone help me host a server for pugnacia paradon btw im gon cri

[blissful perch]

Part of that is of course because of the current hosting monopoly

[untold ingot]

#unofficial-setup-help

[untold ingot]

Almost all of the major unofficials are self hosted

[dense delta]

This should be in Ark: Never coming

[tribal chasm]

Elite Ark is the closest thing I see, about 1000 people across their servers, idk how many servers (50?)
The way they generate money for the servers is something that would be shut down quickly if done as the norm for all servers

[winged dome]

Pay to win isn't unheard of in Unofficial communities lol

[untold ingot]

It's actually the standard

[winged dome]

Maybe, I dunno - I stick to communities without Pay to Win, but have absolutely seen it before

[blissful perch]

you mean the rmt system already being wack-a-moled on officials?

[swift linden]

Now we are talking

[heavy tinsel]

hody

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[mystic wharf]

Arent you bored to say that ?

[worldly garden]

Ark 2 is a myth

[mystic wharf]

Arent you bored to say that ?

[worldly garden]

Why would I be bored? If I was bored I wouldn't have said it.

[mystic wharf]

Ark 2 is not a myth

[worldly garden]

I'm still waiting for you to tell us the name of that other game with dinosaurs that you claim is called an Ark killer and Ark will be abandoned because of it.

[mystic wharf]

Dont think i will tell you since you are being provocative

[mystic wharf]

And ark 2 is not a myth child

[worldly garden]

You don't have to tell me because I know there is no such game.

[mystic wharf]

There is its just that i dont tell to provocative guys as you

[mystic wharf]

Ark 2 is not a myth Cope hard GP

[worldly garden]

I know it's not a myth

[mystic wharf]

So why you say its a myth then ?

[worldly garden]

Same reason you said there's an Ark killer game out there and that Ark will be abandoned over it.... i.e. making stuff up.

[mystic wharf]

You will see i might say it one day who knows but it really does exists , you worry because you are a fan of asa

Its understandble

But then dont try to hide to being called a hâter

Since most of peoples like to call others haters but when its them who hâte ont things that should be normal ? , so pathetic They are calling themselves haters then.

[dire needle]

That guy is so vicious lol

[mystic wharf]

Ye i dont even know what they are doing on ark 2 since they hate on it so much , the truth is that they probably just want to insult on that game because they dont want it and dont like it , so they just talk and come here for that , gp , zen , raqak being provocative and negative is a big example on their hatred into the game , wow im into ark 2 that's such a pain wooh im against you because you want ark 2 wooo like really lmao wtf is their problems then dont come here to bother peoples and being annoying if you dont want ark 2

[cyan panther]

What's the name of the ASA killer ? I'm genuinely interested because I don't like the direction they're taking with the lore with LC

[mystic wharf]

What you dont like with lc ?

I didn't tried it yet

[cyan panther]

The lore is more the animated series one and not the original one, there's a lot of inconstancy and errors

[mystic wharf]

Tbh there is plenty of better games than asa i dont know why peoples like it so much, but what do you mean by animated one and original one ?

[cyan panther]

For now animated series is only island so there isn't much lore, but for example there is the relationship between Helena and Mei in LC which doesn't exist at all in the game lore

There's also the Helena ascension in extinction where she was supposed to be unconscious in the original lore, but on LC she's totally conscious

In LC lore, Diana is still dead but in original lore she was resurrected

[winged dome]

Dude,
I'm not your boyfriend,
stop mentioning me when I have nothing to do with a conversation.

[mystic wharf]

Kloop kloopa kloop

[tough basalt]

Ark 2 is the friends we made along the way

[tame geode]

Oh no, not GP too! I don't know if I've seen ya get spicy before.

[worldly garden]

I don't get spicy anymore 🤣 Left that side of me back a while ago.

[mystic wharf]

Kloopi kloopi kloopa

Ark 2 hater

And ark killer hater

[hearty osprey]

[mystic wharf]

Like ark is not even a perfect or good game to not have a game better than it

Idk what dude thinks in his head

[winged dome]

So, what was the name of that game again? Still waiting on that

[mystic wharf]

I wont tell you since you dont care about liking it you just care about defending asa so its useless zen , gp , raqkaqq , flobs the crew of the ark 2 haters

Idk how you can be fanatic of a game so bad as asa sounds strange

[winged dome]

So, doesn't exist, got it. 👍

[split dove]

it was promised to not be revealed to us 3000 years ago 🙏

[winged dome]

As was prophesized

[split dove]

we preach the gospel

[winged dome]

I also love how just wrong he is lol
Ark2 hater? Brother do you even read? I've been defending and hopeful for Ark2 since it's reveal four years ago. I want it so succeed and blow ASE/ASA out of the water because I truly think it could be a masterpiece if WC plays their cards right

[split dove]

that would go against his narrative of us being ''ark 2 haters''. All the evidence of us being pro Ark 2 is here for the taking if you look at all, it's just that we made fun of him due to the month long ''Ark 2 player camera'' debacle so he has to shift the narrative

[winged dome]

Yeah, 'we're the haters', says the guy refusing to play it because the camera mechanics aren't even revealed yet perfect

[mystic wharf]

Its not because you dont want it to exists that it doesn't exists , btw did you called flobs ? Because how its possible that when i talked about him he immediately came responding, you really are bunch of vicious peoples that's disgusting to see

[mystic wharf]

So you mean you are an evil guy and a child ?

Making fun of peoples on what they like just like that ? So i should make fun of what you like too? 🤔

Are you that stupid ?

In fact you are just an ark 2 hâter

That doesn't want to be seen as one

But I expose you so you cant hide

Idk what are you trying to hide veloci Messages and yours are already here

Fighting when i say im more into ark 2 says it all

[mystic wharf]

I dont refuse to play it , and im not being a jerk fighting with peoples when someone says what game he likes , its just that i wanted a new camera to be part of the game , i will still prefer it to asa though because there is more stuff i like about ark 2 than asa , the ark killer has the camera i want though

Also what is funny is that you use that camera @split dove, sheepy guy if zen would have said he likes the camera i want you would have said the camera is cool , so i dont Even know why i give attention to young peoples as you

[winged dome]

I wonder the same thing myself. Back to the block list bucko.

[split dove]

you finally got it right after 6 edits or should i wait a little longer perhaps?

[mystic wharf]

Ye truth hurts you bucko

[winged dome]

Nothing you said was true, but okay 🙂

Keep believing in yourself

[mystic wharf]

There is no believe its a fact , Dude how can you try to hide something that you said ? Fighting with me when i said im more into ark 2 says it

[winged dome]

As I said before, link* the proof.
I'll continue to wait.

[mystic wharf]

You Saying Block me because im more into ark 2?or veloci saying i can't wait when you will be disapointed in ark 2 when i said i want ark 2 ? There is nothing more to add its already there , but its useless since you dont want admit it

[split dove]

damm that's crazy. please give us the name of the ark killer as we're interested in checking it out

[winged dome]

Bro,
I don't care if you're more into Ark2, ASA, ASE, or whatever. As I've said and explained multiple times, everyone is free to their own opinions and none are wrong - thats the beauty of opinions.

The thing that ticks me off is you're constantly spouting lies and defaming people because they have different opinions than you - whose really the problem here?

[split dove]

** it's clearly us durh**

[winged dome]

Anyway, I have better things to do with my time than argue with internet trolls

[mystic wharf]

Lol how more stupid can you be ? You were and are the only ones atracking me because i wanted ark 2 to have a new camera so therefore having different opinions than you , on the other hand i never attacked someone for his opinion unless provoked , you like playing a lot bucko

[winged dome]

What a curiously relevant comment to link for no reason in particular

[split dove]

[winged dome]

[split dove]

[mystic wharf]

If you really wanted ark 2 you would be friend with me meaning not fighting with me , but you are fighting so the fact that i say something that is not true to you , is just a way for you to hide

[winged dome]

What a curiously relevant comment to link for no reason in particular

[mystic wharf]

Saying irrelevant without explaining is just avoiding the argument

[winged dome]

Relevant.
Read a little more carefully (Hint, it might help more than just in this instance)

[split dove]

it's almost like we watch this chat regularly for years, hoping for meaningful discussions about game design and Ark 2. Also calling ***us ***vicious because we won't bow down and fall in line just because you might sick your groupies onto us for having opinions of our own doesn't mean we are the same

[mystic wharf]

If you have a point, say it clearly instead of hiding behind being sarcastic

[winged dome]

What a curiously relevant comment to link for no reason in particular

[split dove]

[mystic wharf]

Say why do you fight with me if you like or want ark 2? @winged dome

Its seems you can't answer that

[winged dome]

What a curiously relevant comment to link for no reason in particular

[winged dome]

What a curiously relevant comment to link for no reason in particular

COMBO! x2

[mystic wharf]

Lol yes that's what i taught you have no argument bot , keep having fun trying to deny the undenyable, cya young one

[split dove]

the truth is that ark 2 was being directed by the Ayatollah, and the fact that Trump killed him set back development by years

[winged dome]

What a curiously relevant comment to link for no reason in particular

[split dove]

Ah, victory - Nute Gunray 33BBY Naboo

[cyan panther]

Sorry guys I tried to get us the name of the ark killer but I failed

[humble scarab]

[tame geode]

I'm fairly sure Nero said him and his friend were making the ark killer correct? Probably didn't want to share a name so he doesn't violate any sort of self promotion discord rules.

[split dove]

@tame geode something like these messages?

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[untold ingot]

Easy. Because you are kind of a jerk.

[split dove]

lowballing it tbh

[blissful perch]

Dang. Couldn’t get it even after relying on our stronger soldier

[split dove]

fun fact, i can sense when people talk bullshit about me. best tread carefully unc 🤗

[mystic wharf]

Its not bullshit its true

[split dove]

please tell me if this is true, i must know

[hidden crest]

Crazy

[hidden crest]

Crazy how do u get the Information xd

[untold ingot]

You really just see the worst in people huh

[untold ingot]

There is a magic hat you just gotta reach in and pull things out.

[mystic wharf]

You are the only one who started to attack because i like ark 2 so you are the only one jerk you are an annoying person

[worldly garden]

Lets stop the arguing and bickering in here now. If you need to then block each other. But the bickering stops now.

[tame geode]

🦗 🦗 🦗

Something that I think would be cool for Ark 2, and I legitimately think this is possible, is having some sort of procedural UV textures for the dinos.

They'd need a lot of constraints to retain parity, but giving same species creatures viable variations in scale patterns and color regions would be a HUGE addition I think folks would love to see. Could maybe even incorporate procedural osteoderms to a certain extent.

I'm under the mild impression this could be stored in the dino stats as a simple 4d vector upon generation and the textures could be generated at runtime using different constrained noise filters passed through some sort of RGBA texture map that gets applied to some sort of base uv map and base creature model.

Would be crazy to have variable plumage, fur density, or small back spikes. I'm not sure how far out of reach something like that could be. I guess if they really wanted a feature like that, they would find a way.

The only reason I mention that is because I think it's way more realistic than my original thought of some sort of scar mapping that creatures can develop over time with combat.

[winged dome]

Theres mods that do this for ASA/ASE, so its definitely possible, but yeah seeing some variation in creatures will help to make them feel a bit more realistic. Scales, plumage, scars, ect

[tribal chasm]

It would be interesting the dinos could have variations a bit like the character selection screen, not as extreme of course...but definitely within what you are describing

[mystic wharf]

Why when i see the dinos in asa they dont look that good compared to other games i played ? They always look janky like the face , and the textures on them doesn't look impressive, its not possible to make better visuals for dinos or what in asa?

Because i dont know when i see the dinos im not impressed , i mean the visual quality, even the best dino

Also is it possible that the assets quality of ark 2 will be very much higher in your opinion or it will be the same as asa ? Because if yes the dinos can look more impressive @tame geode

[tribal chasm]

Admittedly the graphics for the dinos are like 10 years old now - but it's also important to remember that Ark is a very large game with a lot of things going on. A game that is single player, or has much less going on can obviously achieve better graphics >.<

Most of the time in multiplayer the dinos already become lowest graphics anyway as part of the optimisation.

[mystic wharf]

Ye probably so the new game ark 2 gonna be the same for you in term of graphics quality for dinos and stuff or better ?

I would just like if asa has so much better quality for dinos visually

[tame geode]

I'm not an expert in any of this, but I reckon the gaps in "realism" for modern ark assets probably stem from way the light interacts with objects and the limitations on how individual graphics card present those interactions from player to player.

When you watch things like the ASA trailer and see the closeup renderings of a raptor or whatever it looks significantly better because they're using the photo mode which is manipulating focus to change how the "light" interacts with various objects at varying distances. This makes certain things look sharper or blurred which can make something in focus look higher quality.

But even with camera mode, you may notice that when you use camera mode in game it still doesn't look like the trailers, even with max settings. That's where I'd speculate the difference lies in how individual gpu's process all of the information. If I had to guess WC has access to dev specific graphics cards that are significantly better than our consumer grade cards.

All of that said, there's always gonna be improvements to be made to man-made creature models, and the newer creatures are getting better.

The reason I mention all of that garbage, is because many games that have dinos or creatures don't have to worry about all the extra gameplay features ark has. Like a jurassic park game puts more focus into its creature models because those may be the sole selling point of those games. Ark has to contend with creatures, base building, breeding, weapons, mini games, etc. and all of those things have to be cohesive with each other. While other games may have to deal with similar issues, they're not quite as involved as Arks systems. Especially with replication. So, certain things get less attention in order balance memory and storage issues. I mean the games already massive and performance intensive.

I know many folks think WC's just screwing around, and yeah maybe they can do certain things better, we all can, there's just so much in the game. I don't think any other game as many features as ark tries to offer. That's probably why folks keep coming back to it.

However, with more experienced modelers and designers one would hope they'd be able to deliver not garbage/aged assets that can be processed to some sort of decent fidelity on variable devices for ark 2.

Also, don't bother with, "WC should focus less on adding features, and fixing blah blah" Yeah, it should be a given that WC makes fixes to their game... there are features I wish they'd address. The reality is, it's not profitable for them to reiterate on old content. And honestly not nearly as many folks would still be playing if they didn't constantly add new content. They've gotta add new content to stay relevent.

Wildcard isn't trying to cater they're player volume to the tryhard fanboys, they're trying to keep the attention of casual folk that probably aren't hanging around the discord.

[mystic wharf]

Ye the graphics looks weird and doesn't feel that Amazing when i play it , some other games do but with asa i dont feel amazed with the graphics ,it just looks normal not amazing

[untold ingot]

They do have a major issue with feature creep tho. For example 9n astraeos most of the issues people had were due not to the map, but the game code itself. Those issues probably would have been fixed a long time ago if management was more focused on quality rather than quantity. It's not a new problem for ark, and it's not the fault of boots on the ground devs either. (like everyone seems to think)

The issue is they are cranking out in 3 months what they used to have a year to do

[mystic wharf]

It looks like the dinos quality model of asa have a quality that is limited looks like it can't bé better

[blissful perch]

Even then they likely needed 2 years to really make stuff clean and polished

[mystic wharf]

Its defenetly the developers faults

[tame geode]

I'm not knowledgeable enough of WC's dev pipeline to know who's responsible for what when it comes to things like astraeos, nor am I aware of the issues with the map, but I will say that WC wants to be a big boy company, and that unfortunately has come to mean it's no longer about producing the best product, but just producing a product good enough that people will buy... or are strong armed to tolerate.

Kind of a catch 22 honestly. Like Walmart. Walmart sells a lot of garbage... all different flavors, but there's nowhere else to buy groceries. All the mom and pop places that cared about selling good groceries got ignored until they died because they couldn't get groceries out quick enough, diverse enough, or cheap enough to compete with walmart.

[mystic wharf]

Thats exactly what i think the developers dont care about the game itself they care about money but some wants to deny that

Like if they wanted to do a better game they would have done it

[hearty osprey]

yeah, cause they got all the time in th world to do so

[tame geode]

I also think it's why, for me personally, as much as I want ark 2 be a success, I'm not entirely convinced it's possible anymore. They want to do the thing big boy companies do and cater to the parents of children, and this crowd, or that demographic as opposed to just making a cool product that fits a realistic narrative, and doing that to the best of their abilities.

[untold ingot]

Right. They have some super smart people working for them, but even then it takes time to make good code etc.

[untold ingot]

I mean, in my books if they make Ark2 conan but ark it's perfect

[mystic wharf]

I agree with that though i want an ark 2 Conan type then i would say its a good game

[tame geode]

I don't know enough about Conan to have an opinion, but I do know they're going to be trying to push this confusing cater to the parents of kids, but also have violent action to maintain coolness that's gonna cause identity issues.

I mean look at the original teaser. The tribe is fleeing for their lives from a Rex and crew of Aratai and Meeka decides making goofy faces to mock folks is appropriate? Kids aren't stupid... It's not realistic, or funny, and interrupts the flow of the mood for what purposes? Is it fun? Are we supposed to get the sense of fun or danger? If they're going for Vin Daddy being so competent as a leader that Meeka feels none of this stuff is even remotely threatening then doesn't that detract from the sense of urgency needed from the player? It's little things like that which add up over time and make generic forumalaic slop.

But then later they're gonna try to have that same kid character try to convey deep serious adult emotions about crap that's probably way less important. Like I don't know... not being trusted enough to handle themselves in the wild or whatever generic garbage plot they go for...

Those are the types of things folks should be equally upset about because they all inform each others processes. Lower quality story... lower quality code... faster production... less attention to detail... boom! Marvel slop.

[untold ingot]

Fair enough. I kinda want them to nix story stuff instead tho.

[blissful perch]

I dunno, it reads like a modern action movie to me. Brief slapstick, brief story arc, most of the focus on the violence

[blissful perch]

They have creativity off the charts. What they’ve consistently shown a lack of polish - I can’t say if that’s fully justified by “evil corporate overlords” because it was the case since 2015…stuff WC makes is assumed to be janky, and that usually pans out. It absolutely takes time to polish, and it may be a choice that was made to basically forgo polish for content. But for Ark 2, where combat and other mechanics seem increasingly tied to performance and responsiveness…people may have far less tolerance for clipping into terrain, basic stuff not behaving as expected or breaking down, etc

My hope is that WC is focusing on making a strong Ark 2 foundation that can then serve as a conduit for appropriate content after the base foundation holds strong.

[untold ingot]

I find that moderately unlikely. The foundation for Ark2 is very likely to be a lot of the same engine tweaks as asa

[blissful perch]

I’m allowed to dream

[mystic wharf]

I would be sad i wanted ark 2 Conan style

[mystic wharf]

Im allowed to dream too then

But I wonder , imagine they gonna bring the same asa camera for ark 2 lol they can do that though

[dire needle]

They will ! They will !

[mystic wharf]

😆

Peoples are just weird and strange that's scary but You made me laugh lol

Im tired to see your funny face bothering and harrasing me i can't take it anymore

[mystic wharf]

But asa is far from being a good game its too easy of a game to bé a good one , even a 10 year old can do an asa game level

For me there is games that gonna be better than asa or ark 2 for me its like an immersive asa rather than just asa, that's what i wanted for years i liked asa but never was satisfied at 100 percent

[dire needle]

He is a really kind guy if you are correct with him

[mystic wharf]

But tbh im tired to wait for the ark killer thats why im still playing asa

But asa is not that good too

I mean not that immersive .

Whatever if only they add another option to have a better camera in asa @dire needle

@teal relic thanks

[rare rock]

what’s the ark killer?

[mystic wharf]

Secret , its a game that i find to be close to asa bul better

[rare rock]

gatekeeper

[untold ingot]

Asa was never supposed to ground breaking. It was always a graphics update on ase.

[untold ingot]

Great, go to their discords.

[tribal chasm]

https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/articles.html/community-crunch-355-ark-roadmap-evo-event-and-more-r2075/
I find this article interesting to read again all this time later;

The original roadmaps for ARK2 and ASA seem very ambitious in hindsight. Also interesting to see what actually ended up making it into ASA

[rare rock]

they put prices and all too thats crazy , they really thought late 2024 they were going to release this game. a year and a half ago

[tame geode]

It's so hard to tell if WC is just really, truly and honestly, that incompetent when it comes to giving timeframes, or if they willingly accept the title thinking it's better than admitting they'd rather keep carrots dangling in front of us in hopes that it'll keep folks content/interested/willing to open their wallets.

[rare rock]

wc or sg?

[hearty osprey]

Once I get some more free time, I'll likely end my evolution of ASA timeline, it's not super precise, rounding up to months

[mystic wharf]

No

It was gonna be ground breaking as you say

But the développers only do a one time job that's why their game is so bad

The graphics and everything was gonna be better than what it is now

But what is sad is that the devs dont improve their game like they wanted to do in the first place

[mystic wharf]

Im tired to wait for an improvment of asa that will never happen , if the developers care they would have done it since a long time being in Denial wont change anything, then peoples like you ask why im more into ark 2 or ark killer that's crazy maybe because i want an improvement ? @untold ingot

The fact that the devs dont care just makes me dont want to be fanatic of them as you, because then i would be équivalent to a poo,i dont want be a fanatic of the developers as you because i dont want to be fan of peoples that doesn't Even care about me

[dire needle]

Im crying because of how its suffering with asa developers and their game

I need to go away for a bit now i dont feel good

[rare rock]

asa devs are just funny people I like them , they want to do they just don’t know what to do. I THINK

[mystic wharf]

Sorry dude ... 🙁

[mystic wharf]

Lol

Or maybe they really dont know what they do

Lmao

[mystic wharf]

That makes me depressed dude i dont want hear that

[worldly garden]

if someone thinks the developers don't care because of the state ASA is in then it doesn't make sense to be more into ARK 2 which is being developed by the same devs that apparently don't care.

[mystic wharf]

Gp the kloopi kloopa, Well for me since ark 2 will be a new game and a better version of ark , they will make it better and care more

That's what i personally think

Then who knows

[worldly garden]

Lets cut out the name calling and just have proper discussions. 🤷🏻

[untold ingot]

They are just not good with timelines

[untold ingot]

I didn't ask you anything

[mystic wharf]

Asa should have be done from 0

That would have be better

[untold ingot]

A lot of their employees are modders turned developers. They are pretty good at what they do on that front, an they have some really good programmers on the backend side. It's just a tough problem to deal with all the features etc. Definitely not a scaling problem I wanna deal with.

[untold ingot]

Rewriting code from scratch is almost always worse,more expensive, and takes longer.

[blissful perch]

Code refactoring and other efficiencies are more time and thus cost…but I wouldn’t downplay the end value it has for the gameplay experience

Though part of this question of “half baked” also lies not with code directly but with features themselves. Stuff like the tek railgun…

[untold ingot]

Refactoring is awesome. It's epic and more companies should invest more in refactoring. That is very different from ground 0 rewrites. That is a smoking gun that most nonprofessional developers think is a good idea, but usually turns into unfinished product, tech debt, and a waste of resources.

Reinventing the wheel is dumb when it comes to wheels and code.

[rare rock]

spot on 👌

[mystic wharf]

That's not the problem the problem is that they need to modify it , but they will never do it

The problem is just the développers

[untold ingot]

We have already established that you don't know what you are talking about

[winged dome]

Nah man, he and his friend are working on coding the Ark Killer - which apparently any 10 year old can do!

[untold ingot]

How many ark killers do we see every year? Probably 100? It's pretty established atp that the only thing that can kill ark is ark itself.

[dire needle]

No!

[mystic wharf]

How i do not know what im talking about , you seem the only one that dont know what he is talking about , did the developers of asa solved the bad things about the game ? No , so they defenetly dont care about the game, making up lies doesn't gonna to fix that

[untold ingot]

Ask why's and not what's and maybe you will learn.

[mystic wharf]

If i ask why it will never get solved

[untold ingot]

Or work on any professional dev team in the world.

[mystic wharf]

It doesn't have anything to do with that they just dont care

That's it

Defending them is what makes the game bad

That's why i dont like the hardfanatics

Games are bad because of them

[untold ingot]

Right. Because acknowledging that making a big game is hard makes me a fanatic. Get a grip

[mystic wharf]

Making a big game is hard ? That's why asa has being the only one spécial worst game i ever played i played other big games that are decent

They just dont care

Like for example making better Pathfinding for dinos is hard ?

[untold ingot]

Then why are you here. If you hate them so much just leave.

[mystic wharf]

I dont hâte them i just say they dont care and why you Always say leave rather than lets improve the game ? That's what annoys me with peoples

[untold ingot]

It's an np problem. As of now there is no general solution to pathfinding. Which you would know if you had a clue. The best you can do is make approximations. That gets hard in situations like ark maps.

You don't know what that word means.

🫪

[mystic wharf]

But whatever

This discussion has being on since weeks that's useless

[untold ingot]

Right. When are you going to move on.

[mystic wharf]

When you are

[untold ingot]

I wasn't even talking to you. You butt yourself in a conversation tht wasn't about you, just because of how much venom you have

[mystic wharf]

Its you not me im saying something an opinion you attack it like a big hâter

[untold ingot]

I was talking with shifter, not you.

The hater here is you.

[mystic wharf]

Whenever i say asa needs to have a better something, you always attack and being annoying and négative if you were positive with me maybe i wouldnt fight you as well ....., veloci and i dont fight anymore

[untold ingot]

That's more veloci, not you.

[split dove]

and here i was going to try and join the convo with Shifter. but alas, the usual derailing due to a certain party happened again

[untold ingot]

Totally my fault 🤣

[split dove]

yeah, how dare we try to have actually interesting design discussions. shoo, shoo now

we could always talk about camera angles instead

[untold ingot]

Pls no.

[split dove]

that topic hasn't been done to death yet surely

[untold ingot]

Let's talk about grass, or textures, or how nanite isn't what it was hyped to be, or literally anything else.

[split dove]

🤔

[untold ingot]

Or deep q networks to run ai

[split dove]

[blissful perch]

It’s weird that respectfully critiquing something is not seen as a sign of love

Weirder still is when that respect is seen as…whiteknighting?

[untold ingot]

Ikr

[mystic wharf]

That's funny how you only join when there is arguments, you just come to create Wars , you never want join when its peaceful , you are the worst, even veloci and the others doesn't come Even close to you

[untold ingot]

It's wierd that people aren't on 24/7 huh.

[blissful perch]

Ark players expect 100% uptime tbh

[untold ingot]

Usually distributed between 6 and 1200 people tho.

[split dove]

speaking from personal experience and tactics buddy?

[blissful perch]

Speaking of bait tho, I am still so damn curious about Ark 2 fishing. It would be cool to get eggs or tames via fishing, and or have wall trophies and pet fish

Since pet ark coel are uh…buggy at best

[split dove]

curious pondering indeed

[untold ingot]

Getting tames from them would be weird

[split dove]

it would be weird

[mystic wharf]

Such coïncidence, which i dont believe

[untold ingot]

It definitely would increase peoples desire to go fishing tho

[split dove]

• coincidence

helping with spelling mistakes

[blissful perch]

Idk…would it be weird? You could easily catch “real” fish and get an inventory item like current fish baskets to then release the tame

[untold ingot]

Never attribute to malice what just is bad timing lol

[mystic wharf]

Do you have something interesting to say rather than just being toxic ? You are obsessed by me idk speak about ark 2 or something else ...

[untold ingot]

Oh. You mean the tames being fish? I thought you meant like fishing up a Rex or something

[split dove]

buddy thinks i'm obsessed with him 😂

that gave me a good laugh

[blissful perch]

Oooh no lmfao. I meant fishing for fish or maybe eggs of other aquatic tames

[mystic wharf]

That's why you Always responding to me

[untold ingot]

That could be cool. Getting tuso eggs from ocean fishing, or sarco from swamp.

[split dove]

it would be weird if you'd get anything bigger than a fish from small fish tho

[blissful perch]

Well the idea is you’d get the egg of something bigger

But it would also be fun to have ponds and aquaculture that stems from the fishing system

[split dove]

it's not the most unrealistic reward given arks history of confusing ways some systems work

[blissful perch]

Since right now it kinda sucks that you need cryopods or a base in the often limited ocean/beach realestate to have fish tames

[split dove]

you can also forget about having a small water outpost as well if you want to breed big fish

[untold ingot]

Me with my underwater tek bunker

[split dove]

forgot that's a thing atm

[untold ingot]

They are very convenient

[split dove]

i haven't touched the oceans since my island run on Asa 2 years ago

[untold ingot]

Astraeos has a good ocean.

[split dove]

i don't really vibe with Astraeos tbh

[blissful perch]

Frankly my issue is that there’s just so little use for tamed fish

[untold ingot]

Will probably change with Atlantis

[winged dome]

*Aquatica2

[blissful perch]

Which is slightly annoying because I think there’s tons of low hanging design space to use that can easily remedy that. For example having a fish farm that can yield lots of prime fish, eggs, etc

[blissful perch]

I can hope (my title here indicates I have to be optimistic about anything ocean dlc lmao)

[split dove]

we will have Aquatica squared soon enough

[blissful perch]

Unsay that please. My hope can’t be harmed this early

[split dove]

Yuh uh!

[untold ingot]

I am optimistic about the gen1 changes.

[split dove]

maybe they will make the whirpools less annoying to be stuck in. i remember getting dragged into one, launched into another and being free after whirpool number 3

[untold ingot]

Having been stuck in one irl, they are more annoying than that

[winged dome]

I hope they get rid of them. What purpose do they serve than to be an annoying at worst obstacle?
Now, if there was a way to harness them for a speed boost (with the right equipment), and they don't wander around then that'd be different story

[rare rock]

not gonna like bro asa is currently not bad and it’s only been getting and better and they recently hit a new peak they’re exploding

like I’m one of the hundreds returning to this game recently because it seems to be running 40% better than when it first launched as wild card themselves said so

like I was surprised to also find to many PlayStation friends playing it again or for the first time

also I can’t really complain because they gave us mods for console I’m forever grateful for that 😂

UE5.7 also coming soon

[rare rock]

[blissful perch]

I’m real nervous, because the promise for OG gen 1 was also this huge thing, but Gen 1 as an end product felt like a tech demo

[tame geode]

I feel like the fishing mini game is fundamentally flawed with its result. Wouldn't it be cooler if you got the fish you caught? We can already carry fish. Make being seated optional but buff fish bite times. Give caught fish the prime buff and give it two states, the one we already have with harvesting for boosted meat or force feeding the carcass for taming, but then also have a held harvesting option for when your just holding it that can give you the loot you would normally get.

I feel like that opens up room for more uses with fishing. Certain tames probably need to be switched to being hand fed fish bodies anyway. Or they come eat the fish out of your hand carcha style. Add fish eggs. Instead of breeding for level distribution, breed for size modifiers that effect the buffs it gives. Idk... ideas are easier said than done I guess...

[blissful perch]

@tame geode reading my mind

[tame geode]

Yeah, I saw the discussion, but not sure if I contributed anything useful to what yall presented. I do think fishing was a set it and forget it mechanic. Which sucks because they kept trying to add to it...

[blissful perch]

I agree it felt a bit like “here’s a thing!” without there being the consideration for adding depth

Or at the very least the implementation of it. I suppose we don’t know if it was thought about

[untold ingot]

Breeding for modifiers or "skills" /attrubutes is something we have discussed for years here. (I personally think it's the reason they tried adding traits in)

[blissful perch]

I far prefer skills/attributes over hard stat points

[tribal chasm]

Fishing was great in Ark 1, but it has been dead content for ~8 years due to MANY nerfs. Not a single use it for it, even when you catch the largest fish with the best rod/bait etc.

If Breeding was similar in Ark 2 I wouldn't mind it, but there's serious balance changes that should be made. Potentially even dumb stuff like tribe-only mutations, or a chance for dinos to get neutered when they transfer server xD

Some sort of filter(s) again so people aren't able to raise 1000 dinos at once with relative ease, or casually mutate their stats to capped

[untold ingot]

Add sicknesses for dinos so that if there's more than 100 in a given area they get sick and die.

[shy gull]

Inbreeding update

Makes creatures get negative mutations

[blissful perch]

Removing the concept of stat capping entirely is imo the right approach

There are other options that imo are better, and they fit better with a PvE approach of a “companion tame”. Stuff like searching for items that can upgrade an existing tame, or breeding traits (much quicker to breed than stats and a more linear scalar than the current system that sees compounding benefit with base stat mutations + imprint and player level points, BUT you still have reason to grind out in the world seeking these traits or boost items)

And, as I think is already being tested in Asa, swapping away from armies of tames and towards companions is a strong approach to help with the “raise and spam breed” approach. It should help by reducing effectiveness and/or incentive to spam through gameplay rather than strict caps

[untold ingot]

Evolutionary algorithms are really easy to implement these days. There's no point they couldn't implement a simple one based on trait/attributes and it would be much more interesting than Stat breeding.

[elfin island]

Is lost colony finally playable on console? (No fps drops when you Look into the sky and no Flying creatures Flying up to the sun?)

[merry pecan]

I don't think so

just saying

[blissful perch]

IMO this is less an implementation/coding question and more a game design question. What needs to be answered is “how do you make a tame stronger over time without making it so strong it blows the rest of the game’s content out of the water or requires a ton of afk grinding instead of playing the game”

I think a great place to look to is other creature RPGs, as the trend for them also appears to be moving away from “finding the perfect monster for 1,000 encounters or breed it after 1,000 eggs” and towards “fight in raids or special contexts to acquire items that can increase the stats of the monsters you already have”

[wise belfry]

Hello

[rare rock]

can’t tell you personally I never tried it , but just to be safe wait until 5.7UE update comes and then play it

but from players I know , it’s a lot better running than since launch yes

[elfin island]

What will 5.7 improve?

[elfin island]

Good to know thanks

[rare rock]

mainly performance so ark runs better (devs say asa runs 30~40% better right now than since launch , and they expect this update to make the game run 40~50% better than currently)

[elfin island]

I hope that it gets better…

[rare rock]

ja

[untold ingot]

Don't get your hopes up too much.

[worldly garden]

They said 5.7 has seen 30-40% improvement on both GPU and CPU, not 40-50%. But I'd say prepare yourself for zero improvement, anything better is a nice result.

[hearty osprey]

Honestly this gonna be my first comparison on a major update, could fairly compare 5.5

[rare rock]

ofc , ever since kratos said lower your expectation to never be disappointed i been always doing that

[rare rock]

i switched it up then my bad

40-50% since launch and 30-40% should be apparently the incoming improvement

[untold ingot]

The thing to remember tho is that a 40% increase in performance does not always relate to a 40% increase in fps. And that's what people are going to expect.

[rare rock]

oh 💀

[severe edge]

Hello im new in the ark

[gilded widget]

howdy

[winged dome]

#1110949794907684965
Or I guess #1110925695900713072

[near girder]

Scam

[blissful ice]

Scammer

[rare rock]

im just watching syntac's lost colony series currently on episode 7 , its crazy how much bro is struggling with the dlc its so bugged , or was bugged , i hope

before ark 2 comes we need this game to be fully optimal , this also ensures ark 2 is optimal at launch probably

also im sold on lost colony , im going to buy it it looks fun i just wish i bought it when it was on sale for 25$

i was told its not worth it at all for some reason

[viral surge]

ark 2 come in this year?

[rare rock]

that is a funny joke

comes out 2028 if we are lucky

[viral surge]

oh

[hearty osprey]

Minimum is 2028
So 2030+

[blissful perch]

It won’t be, so I’d lower that standard

[rare rock]

that is fine i know , lost colony was still just very bad on launch

[blissful perch]

Most dlc are

It’s frustrating to say the least

[rare rock]

well good thing i was absent on ark during these days

i get to play half a year later after its much better lol

[blissful perch]

That’s usually best case scenario

[rare rock]

indeed , i cant wait to finish these upcoming final exams and play hours of ark daily🙏

[blissful perch]

Wc is capable, but they rush content so often that it results in what I’d argue are complete disasters for most dlc on launch….stuff breaks, doesn’t work, crashes, etc

[rare rock]

true

[tired folio]

Nunca llegará ARK 2 😭 😭

[tame geode]

Pobrecito

[mighty mesa]

.

[small flint]

wildcard couldnt wipe their own....... even if they tried. yet we still play the game

[untold ingot]

You could quit

[small flint]

look at my pic in fanart channel

[small flint]

i will quit if we get wiped because the devs dont respond to tickets correctly.

[untold ingot]

You can't get wiped in Ark2. The game isn't out.

[small flint]

look at fanart

[untold ingot]

It's not Ark2.

[small flint]

are u a prefect in school?

[untold ingot]

If you want to complain about Asa go to the channels for that 🤣

[untold ingot]

I'm not British lol

[small flint]

u sound like u were a hallway monitor

[untold ingot]

I mean, if that's what it takes🤣

[small flint]

the rules dont matter when the devs dont enforce them. so no. i wont go to an asa channel for something that i was responding to someone else about at first.

u didnt have to respond to me but u did

[untold ingot]

Right.

[small flint]

left.

do u play pvp or pve?

[untold ingot]

None of your business

[small flint]

pve. got it

[blissful perch]

at a certain point its on us as players if we expect something else 🤷‍♂️

[small flint]

u should see my tickets i put in

[blissful perch]

you official?

[small flint]

ye

[untold ingot]

Official has been bad for the last 10 years. Why do you think it would be good now?

[blissful perch]

oof. now that's a pile of garbage I won't touch. Can't imagine tickets or enforcement happen at a rate that makes the game fun

[small flint]

it wouldnt matter too much if the devs enforced the rules when there is major proof.

[untold ingot]

Perma ban all big tribes? That would be a start. I've never seen a big tribe that didn't have a hacker or two on call. Or that wasn't duping or rmt

[blissful perch]

right, but that's i don't think ever happened consistently

[small flint]

ip/hardware ban people that break rules such as aimbot, meshing etc. that would be the start

[untold ingot]

Vpns exist, hw bans are spoofable

[small flint]

i know vpns exist, but not everyone uses them.

[untold ingot]

Only thing that would really work is active and fast enforcement. And that's not going to happen

[blissful perch]

well, and it never has happened

[small flint]

people would work for free on the side to sort this stuff. everyone knows it.

[blissful perch]

it's not about "could it be better", because it can be. It's about "will it be better", which after a decade? I doubt it will be

part of why officials should just be scrapped in ark 2. total waste

[untold ingot]

You are suggesting letting nonemployees do moderation? Lol, how could this accident be prevented.

[small flint]

to be fair. if the game was built from the ground up like it was advertised alot of the issues would be fixed already

[small flint]

they have a moderation team on discord. its not hard to vet people that can be trusted.

[untold ingot]

Common misconception. Building from the ground up takes more time and usually causes more problems than it fixes

[small flint]

how so? have u been under the map or above the map on abb?

[blissful perch]

I get it if you came to ASA thinking that, but ASA has also been out for what? 2 years now? I think that's long enough to see the pattern

[small flint]

fill the void lmao

[untold ingot]

Insiding happens in years long tribes. You think it wouldn't happen for this?

[small flint]

as i said. its not hard to vet people

[blissful perch]

at this point tho you're just inventing 1x unofficials

which could exist, and be monitored by active players, if officials went away and opened that niche

[untold ingot]

You are advocating for extreme admin abuse. Because that will happen

[small flint]

wildcard handed the keys for that with snail games. look up the situation with tea

this is different tho imo.

[untold ingot]

I was here for it lol. More than once. I'm well aware.

[untold ingot]

Yeah, would be infinitely worse.

[small flint]

i dont think so. u just dont give them powers ingame. if u had a dedicated crew for tickets, investigations etc while the devs to the ingame part it would still make faster progress.

see my side of it?

[untold ingot]

It honestly wouldn't. The ingame part of it takes the most time. If the tickets legitimately have enough info, having more eyes looking at them makes 0 difference

[blissful perch]

OR, free up those devs to not worry about tickets and investigations by removing officials 🧠

[untold ingot]

That's just adding a layer of abstraction that serves no purpose

[small flint]

think about it this way. right this moment 1 server is capped with aim botters, render crashers, illegal racer builds etc.

another server is being meshed right this minute while we cannot get in cause 1 server is capped.

its the weekend so the devs obviously arent gonna do anything even if tickets get put in about the meshing and aimbotting.

at the end of the day. something needs to change otherwise this dev team are gonna end up randomly thinking 'i wonder what went wrong' lol

[untold ingot]

They lost 50% of their longterm playerbase when Asa launched. You think they aren't thinking that?

[blissful perch]

listen to yourself. "The game is full of people cheating and breaking CoC, so instead of accepting this is never going to be a fair playspace, I'm going to be mad at the devs who haven't fixed this in over a decade"

it's the same system as it was 10 years ago. At some point it's just intrinsic to ark even if it's disappointing

[small flint]

thats fair. doesnt mean i aint gonna voice my opinion. cause tickets dont get listened to anyway lol.

[blissful perch]

you're welcome to voice it, but I just caution you against being surprised if nothing changes

[untold ingot]

It's not a new opinion. It's not original, and it's not interesting. And talking about it in Ark2 isn't going to make it happen

[small flint]

idc what channel i talk about it in

[blissful perch]

🤷‍♂️ it's fine to make his voice heard, though it's likely as effective to shout into the void in terms of changing the immediate future of his (I assume) bases that are being raided

[small flint]

to clarify

[untold ingot]

#pvp-discussion, or the survive the ark forums

[small flint]

bases that have been getting raided for 3 weeks

multiple tickets warning of exact locations and rough dates of meshes etc

2 weeks in advance

[blissful perch]

if it were me I'd popcorn the bases and uninstall

[small flint]

nah. its taken them 24 hours to destroy 2 towers

[untold ingot]

What are you complaining about then? They suck

[small flint]

so they resort to cheating because of it

[untold ingot]

Everyone on official does that.

There is no big tribe that doesn't.

[small flint]

server has crashed like 30 times in 1 hour

[untold ingot]

Right. And that'll never change

[small flint]

depends. its being force dropped

[untold ingot]

Can't stop that

[blissful perch]

I'll say it a thousand times. Ark officials are not a fair play space and likely never will be

[small flint]

im sure there are ways. but it would involve upping their server security to handle spikes like this

which would cost money

and then they would get into another useless deal with a server provider again

im not saying i dont agree with u

[untold ingot]

I've been working with servers for decades. There is no way other than massively distributed systems that can stop servers from being dropped. And ark obviously can't do that.

[blissful perch]

right, so I guess my statement is...why play officials? is it because it's the only 1x available?

[small flint]

lol that person got hacked

[untold ingot]

There's no good Asa unofficial community from what I have seen. Ase seems to be dying on unofficial, and some creators are talking about coming to asa. Maybe that'll change things.

[small flint]

we actually had this convo earlier today while defending. official pvp is the only place where there is actually anything accomplished.

unofficial pvp servers wipe monthly most of the time, official pve unless u enjoy breeding and making funny colours theres not really much to do. official pvp is where it lands. no the game wasnt meant for any of this stuff. but there is still a rough active player base on official pvp for a reason. no other game can compare but unfortunately the underlying issues and as u said the rmt etc is whats killing it. people arent gonna flock to pve when these issues force them to quit. they will just quit.

[blissful perch]

idk about that, but you are 100% right nobody is going official pvp to pve

[untold ingot]

Yeah we all just pessimistic about it

[small flint]

im not wrong tho. lets use breeding as an example. why would u need full melee arthros on pve unless of course u decided u wanted to do it for shts and giggles.

think of the odd dinos that have random uses on pvp but none on pve. thats 1 accomplishment.

building for example. whats the reason for cramming 5 vaults into a personals build with upside down cryofridges when most pve people put 1 vault on top of the other and say cool thats fine.

[untold ingot]

Unofficial pvp was popular on ase. It was way more populated than official. But it hasn't taken off in asa

[small flint]

because it was moderated

[rare rock]

wipe? so like the entire server gets erased or what

[small flint]

ye

to keep it fresh

[blissful perch]

I 100% agree pvp offers some really cool diversity to gameplay, though on the flipside, this could be achieved just fine if there were pvp gamemodes or wipe servers

[rare rock]

stupid

[small flint]

arkpocalypse was the wipe servers.

but they started adding mods to it on asa and that broke the official pvp on it lol

[blissful perch]

i think some people foolishly think pvp is the problem...it's really "official pvp" that is just riddled with issues (most critically that of enforcement)

[small flint]

or so i heard a few weeks ago

[untold ingot]

Rota has been saying it's good now.

[untold ingot]

Right.

The toxicity in the chat from pvp players is real tho

[blissful perch]

I'd be pissed too if I spent 2 months working on something that got destroyed in a few hours

especially if I was unable to even defend it because of cheaters or server crashes...it's almost designed to make people toxic

[small flint]

not exactly toxicity. its not fun having someone walk through the wall because its a clear area for them but if u put turrets underneath ur base in the mesh u can get your whole tribe dev wiped.

its 1 rule for 1 1 rule for another. makes u wonder if the devs are actually playing in these tribes or not sometimes

which we know some tribes have pocket devs that have private dms with dollie etc. but thats a convo for another day.

[rare rock]

🤐

[untold ingot]

This discord does have a habit of pvp players harassing everyone they dont think is a pvp player. It's really stupid.

[small flint]

its a giff....

[rare rock]

i was actually right now just talking to a guy that was kicked from tribe and was met with slurs afterwards lmaoo

because he was pve , they told him pve pvp it does not matter (they were pvp only)

[small flint]

theres no pvp without pve

so thats tribes stupid

[pallid bluff]

Guys

[small flint]

sup papi

[rare rock]

maybe they are true cavemen , pvp their way into everything

[small flint]

i do like cavemen

[blissful perch]

wait are yall PS players??

[small flint]

night at the museum is a great film

[pallid bluff]

How do I keep my enegrams on ps4 Ark Survival Evolution when I leave it wont save

[rare rock]

i am

[small flint]

that might be a question for the pve chat tbf. never heard of that

[pallid bluff]

Really

[rare rock]

it should stay permanently on that character unless youre using cheats, then it resets every time you leave

[pallid bluff]

I got to level 36 and it stopped saving

After that

[small flint]

did u click save in settings?

wait

[pallid bluff]

Like how

[small flint]

is that even a thing on ase? i forgot xD

[rare rock]

he should not need to and i dont thjink thats even an option

[pallid bluff]

No

Idk no one has had this problem

[rare rock]

online or offline? official or not

[pallid bluff]

Personal server

Offline

[rare rock]

yeah i think its just bugged i dont know to be honest

[pallid bluff]

Do I redownload the game

[rare rock]

why just wait some time

[pallid bluff]

Hrs later 😢

?

[rare rock]

plus if its a dedicated server reinstalling wont fix anything

[pallid bluff]

Its not dedicated just single player

[rare rock]

okay maybe. i wont tell you to do anything tho i dont know

[pallid bluff]

But whatnis weird it saves my levels not my enegrams

[small flint]

google says this

Engrams not saving in ARK: Survival Evolved single-player is usually caused by a failure to force a save before exiting or file permission issues. To fix this, manually save by opening the console (Tab) and typing admincheat saveworld before quitting.

[pallid bluff]

What

[rare rock]

i mean its google i would not trust that. but try that

[pallid bluff]

Ok how do you open cheat panel

[rare rock]

or search online , someone probably had the same issue like 6 years ago

[pallid bluff]

Wow

[small flint]

klightspeed
on Oct 25, 2015
Collaborator
What are the permissions on the SavedArks directory and the files therein?

If the ARK server doesn't have permission to write to the .arkprofile files, then every time the server restarts any character settings (i.e. engrams, engram points, name, level, etc) will likely reset to the state they were in when you copied the files.

Murdock2k
Murdock2k commented on Oct 25, 2015
Murdock2k
on Oct 25, 2015
Author
ok i try to change them, but i have to wait, i test it in a few hours, thx so far

klightspeed
klightspeed commented on Oct 25, 2015
klightspeed
on Oct 25, 2015
Collaborator
A permissions change should take effect immediately. It will not however take effect retroactively - .arkprofile files are only saved when the user logs off, and changing the permissions after stopping the server will only prevent loss of newly acquired EP and Engrams, and will not recover EP or Engrams that should have been saved but were not before the permissions change.

Murdock2k
Murdock2k commented on Oct 25, 2015
Murdock2k
on Oct 25, 2015
Author
yeah you are right, i changed them and after a relogg i have all my engrams i learned before. Thx for the quick help!
Before the change i fast traveled and than i had to skill my skillpoints again for 4 levels (all 4 were made on the new server) and after the change it works like normal 🙂

gj and thx again for the quick help ^^

forum says this as a convo feed

[rare rock]

i belive its r1 l1 then square and triangle all at the same time

[pallid bluff]

Ok

What did he type

[rare rock]

read it , two people talking about your same issue

anyway have to log off im getting ready for the school😔

[small flint]

its 4am for me im going bed got work in 6 hours

[pallid bluff]

What

Its 22:06 for me

[small flint]

lol. anyway. thanks for the convo peeps

[pallid bluff]

Hehe

[small flint]

good luck with the engram stuff. look at the message i sent above and see if that helps

[pallid bluff]

How do you log off

?

Ok Thx

[hearty osprey]

Oh the usual pvp people talk, and whatever this guy's server issues are

Not much ark 2 related, but beats so other beat down talking points from here that someone keep on repeating for like the 35th time

[untold ingot]

Haven't seen Nero in awhile.

[hearty osprey]

Oh, what could u mean

[split dove]

i guess we shall never know

[plain whale]

GTA 6 VS Ark II chat

[granite crane]

i want ark 2 more then gta6

[rare rock]

GTA sucks in general I don’t like how unmoral that game is

[untold ingot]

Fr

[rare rock]

it’s like Fortnite , why are these games popular and how 😂

[untold ingot]

Fortnite is fun, they just targeted the wrong audience

[pastel frost]

I played both, they are way different from each other

[pastel frost]

Lol, why r u searching for morals in GTA

[pastel frost]

No one can beat PUBG, & Fortnite is for kids

[rare rock]

when a game is that popular there is no target audience everyone is the audience

imagine you can build in ark2 like Fortnite 😂

[untold ingot]

Pubg is all crazy tryhards and my old eyes can't see anyone

[pastel frost]

Yes, you are absolutely right, but sometimes you have to face reality

[untold ingot]

Yeah, by not playing fps games anymore.

[pastel frost]

Burnout and Fatigue

[rare rock]

Battlefield 6 is good imo

[pearl orchid]

9567 Server Alpha Recorded Cheat Writing

I'm going to wear Dev soon lol

[tribal chasm]

I like the idea of something like a tribe tower for Ark 2 -- something on the server itself which only one tribe can claim + has to defend,
and it could even show up on the server list 'server controlled by >tribe<' to add another layer to it

and potentially rewards for controlling the most servers in a set time frame

[meager grail]

anyone?

[mystic wharf]

Ark 2 better than asa for me , im sure

[rare rock]

me too ark 2 is very extremely fun. Gameplay mechanics are perfect and the graphics with the fps as well. End is a little underwhelming because it’s rockwell again just like genesis2 again but yeah it’s good

[north herald]

So when is ark 2 coming out

[hearty osprey]

Minimum 2028, so 2030+

[north herald]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooo

Why why why

Please noooooo

[hearty osprey]

Main focus is ASA rn, and vin diesel commitment to the project is a bit uncertain

[hearty osprey]

WC has hands full on ASA till 2027, and still has 3 ASE map to port after that, even if nek does Fjo, CI and LI will need to be by WC, pretty sure their makers work at WC. And the extra creature for those maps

LI and FJ will prob also get vote creatures again

[rare rock]

wait so after all of this we might not even get him as the MC really?

no way he just dips right

[hearty osprey]

They settings up Karl hurbem to be the replacement

[hearty osprey]

FaF is Diesel main focus

[rare rock]

who the frick is that

[rare rock]

and what is faf

wait its fast and furious innit okay nvm

[hearty osprey]

This one

[mystic wharf]

Ark 2 more fun than asa @rare rock

[rare rock]

uh ok

[blissful perch]

King of the hill is a tried and true PvP gamemode, so on that I agree

[blissful perch]

2028-2030 is also the Xbox/Steam version. PlayStation may have to wait longer if the Microsoft exclusivity deal holds

[hearty osprey]

Oh yeah, I always forget that details

[rare rock]

whar

[blissful perch]

I try to remind PlayStation roles every so often so they can remind their kids to try Ark 2 when it comes out

[hearty osprey]

I have started looking less and less at the role, most people don't even reflect what they on, annoys me to no end

[blissful perch]

That’s why I only do it sometimes. Otherwise I’d get “no I have pc and ps” and “oh this isn’t even accurate” all the time and would waste my time

[junior ingot]

Who is first released? hmmmmmmmm......

[hearty osprey]

GTA6, it's not a contest

[rare rock]

i believe i am young enough to live and play it , hopefully

[small flint]

@blissful perch they got dev wiped on our server

GG wildcard

big up GM RAPTOR

@untold ingot

[tribal chasm]

That GM made me so angry IRL tbh, as someone who never gets or feels angry.
Had survived all of Wildcard's Extinction broken mechanics (titans/meks/manas), and was getting meshed every day,
then he dev wiped our tribe because a raft had visually glitched after an update (wasn't actually in the mesh, just visually displaced)

If there's any similar mechanics in Ark 2 like having beds on rafts/platforms saddles, would not recommend as can get banned even if outside your control

[winged dome]

I"m hoping Ark2 doesn't have Official servers so costs can be spent on development and updates instead

[untold ingot]

Noice

[blissful perch]

We can pray

[rose locust]

karl urban?

[unreal lake]

is wildcard making another ark game? or this ASA?

[untold ingot]

Wc announced in 2020 that they would make a sequel to ark (not a remaster). There have been trailers and leaks and stuff over the years. This is not Asa, it will be a totally new thing. Check out the steam page on it.

[rare rock]

sorry i dont understand this since i never really played official. but what youre saying is one of ark's devs deleted your server forever?

and why? because someone was cheating?

[untold ingot]

No, they dev wiped the cheaters that were raiding him.

[rare rock]

ah okay. so the server stays as well thats good. never understood these dev wipes they always had me worries because i am planning to play a lot of official on asa when i get back

[tribal chasm]

I just don't understand, you already have unofficial server for an option, why are there so many people who want Officials gone? The cost is a lot, but not in the grand scheme of things. If done right they are not a loss leader

Unofficial PvP quite frankly sucks, all those servers are hugely P2W, insane rates and mods, and die within a week or so. Plus you often run out of people to pvp/raid, unlike the official network

[tribal chasm]

Given how many times they keep trying to make SotF a thing, they clearly care about Ark having a cool PvP gamemode somewhat, just needs the right direction

[hearty osprey]

Can't wait for SOTF 4th death

Sometimes feels like I'm beating a death horse, well, I am.

[tribal chasm]

Well to clarify, I agree SotF isn't it, but they can shift that focus for a pvp gamemode into something else (and could probably match Rust's numbers)

[blissful perch]

Let me help. The reason is the phrase “done right” is something I see as untenable if the official structure is maintained

Now, if they fully convert officials into a network of servers offering new PvP gamemodes or something I think there’s plenty of merit for Ark 2

But wc has had over a decade to “make officials right” and imo they haven’t really managed to do that in their current state

[tribal chasm]

I had not thought of that option, interesting

[blissful perch]

I’m not going to pretend I’ll likely ever have the answer (I don’t play enough PvP and certainly not enough modern Ark officials to really know the specific needs), but one example would be converting all PvP servers to something akin to club ark, where you queue up for pvp lobbies for various gamemodes, ranging from short ones like sotf or king of the hill to maybe even long ones like arcpoc where after a month you can win points or swag rewards for doing certain things

[winged dome]

Basically this, but with Ark being so much about setup (building, taming, gearing up) I figure it would be extremely difficult to balance rates to have an enjoyable experience that doesn't just skip the majority of available content

[blissful perch]

I’d argue that rates are a fraction of the issue - mostly because in any no wipe system eventually it will be filled with end game players

[winged dome]

Yeah - rates, wipes, anti-cheat and other exploit policing are all considerable factors

[blissful perch]

Offlining, breeding, capped gear, and so many other things also contribute. Really it’s the mix of all of them that say in bold letters “full time job and even then it’s dicey, also all of your progress that took forever to obtain can be lost at any time, possibly not even through fair means”…which is guaranteed to make people angry and upset

I don’t see how that’s healthy gaming

[tribal chasm]

Full time job is ~40 hours, people on smalls can play like NEET's (16 hours a day / ~110+ hours a week) lol

and worse probably, waking up to defend base ... no bueno

[blissful perch]

I was being kind, but yes this is also very possible and even more concerning

[rare rock]

i work 80 hours a week

[blissful perch]

I can only hope that’s a seasonal gig or you’re farming overtime. Either way, a normative full time job is 40 hrs/week

[rare rock]

just kidding im useless to society and jobless 😂

but i think my dad would be close to that , he is seriously rarely ever home

[blissful perch]

Even just 50 hours can really dent your time at home

[small flint]

The issue is there is no other game that fits exactly like ark does. That's the only reason people keep coming back.

[rare rock]

more of a casual take , but path of titans is satisfying when ark does not do the job. of course both are very different though

[winged dome]

Extremely, to the point of complete non-comparison except they both happen to have dinosaurs

[rare rock]

what about sons of forest? never played but i read about people comparing

idek what its about other than survival in woods

[winged dome]

Sons of the Forest has ... base building, sorta? Progression based caves and exploration and the enemies kind of react to how you interact with them? I wouldn't personally compare them either, but I haven't played Sons for a while, nor in a while

[untold ingot]

And they wear that time as a badge, which is really wierd

[blissful perch]

IMO there’s a reason for that, especially for open world survival PvP. It’s just a painfully challenging genre to make work

[verbal sonnet]

when ark 2?

[blissful perch]

Ark on the pve side is significantly healthier and struggles (imo) less while retaining the same desire to return

[blissful perch]

Sons is designed as a survival pve experience, and I’d say in some ways it’s comparable to Ark pve. The biggest difference comes out in ark’s truest and most intrinsic quality - gameplay that relies on tamed creatures

The best comparison I’ve seen to Ark PvP however is rust or Conan. All three games take slightly different approaches to the genre, and imo rust is the closest to what I see as an effective model. Regular wipes, quick progression systems, but deep enough mechanics to be interesting for PvP strike me as a strong balance

[hearty osprey]

minimum 2028, so 2030+

[verbal sonnet]

😭

so late

[untold ingot]

Ark = a persistent, 3d tower defense game. 🙃

I don't really like the rust to ark pvp comparison, since rust pvp loop almost requires regular "roaming" lookin for fights, and ark deincetivizes it. But yeah, there's not many games that can really compare effectively

[blissful perch]

except the enemies cheat half the time XD

[raven vector]

Rust 💩 Ark 😘

[modest scarab]

Ong

[rare rock]

rust is only good on pc. if i could refund it from my psn account i would

imagine if there is a rus like gamemode in ark2 i think that would be sorta fun

it would be nothing like ark

[ripe tulip]

.

[blissful perch]

Any reason why that is?

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[small flint]

unless someone runs a giga into ur base on ase xD

[blissful perch]

Compared to meshing I think that’s healthier (the bar is very low lol)

[rare rock]

a lot of reasons. first being that rust console E gets updates bug fixes new content so so so much later than normal pc steam edition sometimes more than a year later lmaoo. secondly it runs so horrible just like when asa first dropped and i have a ps5 pro by the way strongest console out there and its still like trying to run modded gta on potato pc. graphics are also automatically down scaled and render distance as well and that is very crucial in that game. also this game strives on mods console does not have that its very dry and servers are also only official you cannot play unofficial on console (official is so hard if youre not an expert). dev team is also different from the normal edition rust dev team (and they are worse and lazy)

[blissful perch]

Ahhh I see, so a lot of console specific issues rather than anything intrinsic to rust’s mechanics? That sucks to hear

[mystic wharf]

That's completly false , what things asa is better at than other games? For me its one of the only games that seems so low quality not in graphics but in the game itself , graphics are decent for me it can be better thought@small flint

[winged dome]

Genuine question, what are your specs?

[worldly garden]

💀

[split dove]

[blissful perch]

I’m more curious what the point of the “ark killer” is if Asa is already worse than other games at everything it does. And if this supposed game comes out before Ark 2

[winged dome]

🤷
Just wait for them to edit their messages and claim there is no 'Ark Killer'

[split dove]

there is no Ark killer in Ba Sing Se

[blissful perch]

Ah but of course. Then again, I’d have to read said messages after they’re edited. I’d rather talk about Ark 2’s PvP design

[mystic wharf]

? , tell me how asa is amazing , when i play it , it is so low quality

[spare wing]

👻

[winged dome]

Ok, so ... what are your PC specs?

[tame geode]

Look, if a game doesn't always look like a scene out of a James Cameron Avatar movie, then it's crap. You guys just don't understand because you're too infatuated with ASA.

[untold ingot]

Tbh if Asa is low quality graphics, I want to see game with high quality graphics.

[tame geode]

I know what it looks like. Me and my friend are making it. You'll see.

[untold ingot]

You are making Asa?

[tame geode]

Ugh... yes... I am ASA actually. John ASA.

[mystic wharf]

Nobody spoke about graphics maybe @winged dome but at least not me

[tame geode]

You can find my demo reel on YouTube. Just look up "Jurassic World: Rebirth" It's a little rough because it's still a work in progress, so be gentle.

[untold ingot]

Wait you made the movies too?

[tame geode]

Well, me and a friend. My friend mostly... John Jurassic-World:-Rebirth he's a pretty big name in the industry.

[mystic wharf]

I want Jurassic world but in ark form of a game

[untold ingot]

I think I've heard of him

[true viper]

In what regard?

[tame geode]

Probably like the new Jurassic park game but with out all the garbage.

You know what screw that... bring back Turok: Evolution. The ps2 version.

I actually think we are getting another Turok game.

[mystic wharf]

Im not talking about graphics dude

[winged dome]

I mean, you did at first then you edited your message

So again - what are your specs?

[untold ingot]

Jurassic Park is a franchise that should have disappeared 2 decades ago. It's not interesting

[tame geode]

Nero, go check out the trailer for Turok: Origins is that what your hoping for with Ark 2?

[untold ingot]

It has the wrong camera

[mystic wharf]

I corrected it because i wasnt speaking about the graphics and you though so , so repeating what are your specs is dumb

[mystic wharf]

I want asa but with Jurassic park dino models

And environment

But it will never happen

[tame geode]

It looks like it's gonna have weird creature animation speeds/weights like monster hunter does. WC's always had a good eye for portraying weight and speed of creatures in their animations IMO.

[untold ingot]

Have you seen paleo dinos?

[tame geode]

Ark has ripped so many aspects of its models straight from jurassic park its not even funny. We talked about this before, but it sounds like you want movie fidelity in a video game, and it's not gonna happen with open world survival games on low end pcs.

[winged dome]

Ok, but I'm genuinely curious what your specs are. Are you going to tell me, or continue to dance around the question? Its okay to just say no lol

[tame geode]

Jurassic Park will always be my all time favorite movie... that rex breakout scene, the build up in tension, the acting. Just a masterclass in visual story telling. Aesthetically, the Jurassic World movies have some outstanding VFX moments, but they're just trash stories. Uninspired garbage. How tragic...

Hot take incoming: I even think The Lost World is a fantastic movie. Playing ark is how kid me envisioned Isla Sorna.

[mystic wharf]

Ye veloci i want that exact same type of gameplay of turok for asa or ark 2 and that's what i call good graphics , imagine asa with turok graphics immersion and combat would be my favorite game @tame geode

[tame geode]

Yeah, and I am concerned you'll get those aspects that you want. Or at least my understanding of what I think you want. And I mean that with as little offense as possible. Ark isn't meant to be a combat fighter kind of game. It's too easy to have, "It bleeds therefor it must die" as the sole gameplay loop. Very superficial imo. They've been tossing out buzzword vocubulary that kind of eludes to that style of gameplay, and I think it's just a misstep if that's the direction they go.

I also think those turok animations are too cartoon-y like monster hunter. Things move too quick for their size. I'm sure the combat is fun though. Turoks always been good for that.

[mystic wharf]

At least i hope for better immersion and gameplay

[feral lake]

oi

:[

[tame geode]

Yeah, I think folks are always looking for ways of improving immersion, but gameplay becomes super subjective. The division between the PvE and PvP ark communities is a prime example of super different interpretations of what Arks gameplay is. Both have very specific interpretations of that gameplay, and both are toxic as heck communities. And the devs gotta balance that this time around with PvE being a thing from the start. So, unfortunately the game just won't be what you want. Not 100% at least. You'll have to fill in the difference with your own playstyle to make it what you want. Or don't if it ain't worth the effort.

And graphics will be over promised. They'll probably be OK, but I have a feeling you'll be disappointed. Most of us will either be disappointed or just whelmed.

Not to say we can't be hopeful, but we're talking about reality here, and the reality is WC feels the need to pump and dump, baby. They don't have the manpower to balance ASA and put out some marvel of engineering in the form of Ark 2 within any sort of useful production time. They ain't the big boy team like they aspire to be. I don't think they'll ever be that with Snail.

[untold ingot]

Right. They have some amazing talent, but large scale projects need more than talent. They need scale. Ark does okay at it but they have an upper bound

[small flint]

ever thought the concept of this game is what i meant?

[rare rock]

i mean then thats just ark

unless you mean you want the dinos in jw

there was tons of mods for that in ase but idk about asa

[tribal chasm]

I remember when I saw the Rhyniognatha was available at the start of ASA it was immediately off putting (probably more than anything else)
Like to have it at the absolute end of ASE when the game was ending/Gen2 was already out -- fair enough

But right at the start of ASA o.o like you can'ttttt start a brand new game with such overpowered mechanics like that, especially for Ark 2

There is so little pushback in Ark it seems, like you give the playerbase anything and they accept it rather than going 'yo this is kinda OP' lol

[hearty osprey]

So much stuff is way too op even on PvE that it's balance breaking

Everyone there just seems to want, more and more, do everything and be invincible tames

No better evidence that the creature submission vote, sweet powercreep

[mystic wharf]

Agree with that im one of the rare guys who dont accept things @tribal chasm

[native karma]

Did they remove the animated series channel

[worldly garden]

#ark-animated-series

There's little push back in Ark because OP doesn't mean as much on PvE, but if all PvP complain something is OP it gets nerfed to hell for PvE. Also there was lots of pushback for fantastic tames but that pushback makes zero impact on Wildcard's decisions.

[mystic wharf]

What you mean ?

[mystic wharf]

Im fine if the graphics are close to asa or better , just better GamePlay that's what i hope for

[rare rock]

they need to make money somehow , story maps are free after all

[blissful perch]

That’s somewhat true, but I do think some changes (flier nerf for example) had huge positive impacts for PvE

[blissful perch]

Ark 1 ones are. LC was paid, and there appear to be more paid maps to come. I do think it’s a bit…less than ideal to have a monetization model around powercrept fantastic tames

[worldly garden]

That's why BTT existed to bring in the extra funds. The Fantastic Tames could easily have been part of those but they went a different route. But pushbacks in general have little effect so the majority don't bother wasting their time.

[rare rock]

very true i actually remember my friend telling me that way back in early 2023 lmao

[rare rock]

ase has free story maps now?

yeah I also always preach the idea that it would be much better if we got stuff like astraeos. Maps with unique tames to that map

but wc can’t really produce that fast enough to make money out of it innit