ark-2

[long sparrow]

halo is supposed to be story. the story being different is the point

[stray elm]

Halo is a good example of game that's both about the story 'and' gameplay.

[long sparrow]

hello

[true viper]

Halo

[stray elm]

2

[true viper]

3

[long sparrow]

MCC

[mossy grotto]

hablan espanol

[true viper]

Infinite

[long sparrow]

english only please.

[stray elm]

2 had a better narrative.
Fight me.
JK

[long sparrow]

remember not to go too offtopic lol

[true viper]

no hablo epanterias

[stray elm]

Agreed, Pumpkin.
You shouldn't.

[mossy grotto]

i dont know english

[mossy grotto]

que

[stray elm]

Then how did you just type in English?

[mossy grotto]

because is spanish

[stray elm]

But you're able to understand me, and write some form of English.

[long sparrow]

#rules

[mossy grotto]

and

[stray elm]

So stay speaking English.

[true viper]

Something I thought about while playing Wilds was, if Alphas come back, it would be cool to see them be the head of a pack, and have the underlings serve as a minion like NPC during combat.

[long sparrow]

that already exists. the pack dinos have the highest level being alpha

[mossy grotto]

but i want people that spish spanish

[true viper]

There's not a lot of them here

[stray elm]

#1110949794907684965 will be your only place you'll be able to do that.

[long sparrow]

we can't effectively moderate every language.

[true viper]

You could try to find them, but I don't see people talking in Spanish for long periods of time here

[long sparrow]

because we have rules

[shell lintel]

Yes, this is what I want!

[stray elm]

Then the minions proceed to attack the pack leader because that mechanic is buggy AF.

[shell lintel]

Still be funny lol

[long sparrow]

alpha gotta teach it whose boss.
also I doubt that'll be an issue since they'll just have it not be able to attack the same species like ark

in ASE most carnivores can't attack other carnivoes lol

[stray elm]

Yuty vs Carno's

[long sparrow]

pretty sure they can't attack eachother when wild

[stray elm]

They can.
They can bug out and kill each other.
With how many carno's there are in a pack, usually the carno's win.

[mossy grotto]

i see

[long sparrow]

never seen it happen weird that they are in different groups in the first place when most aren't.

[true viper]

That's something I'd like to see. Like if there's a corpse on the ground, and two carnivores approach it at the same time, watching them fight over it would be nice, if only on an atmospheric level

[stray elm]

There's videos of it happening, and I've had it happen a few times.

Also, teams in ARK if I recall aren't just "carnivore vs herbivore vs omnivore"
It's less that, and more size based.

[long sparrow]

pretty sure its just dinos that would be around eachother.

not sure why carnos/yutys are different tho

[stray elm]

Pretty sure a wild raptor will kill compy's and dodo's due to how small they are. But won't kill dilo's.
There's a bit more grey area.

[long sparrow]

dodos aren't carnivores

[stray elm]

That wasn't the point I was saying

[shell lintel]

Size difference would make sense.

[long sparrow]

its not just size. it groups. carnos can't attack raptors

[stray elm]

Yeah, had to go in game to test this.
Diets aren't just how teams work, it's also weight/size.
Had leavemealone enabled and a summoned raptor killed a summoned compy

[long sparrow]

same with rexs

never said it was just diets

diets are just almost always the same in said group

[stray elm]

Summoned a rex, and that also is a lie

[long sparrow]

think rex just killed the carno.

weird it didn't kill the rapotr

[stray elm]

Rexes go after raptors.

[long sparrow]

rexs may fight everything thats not alpha or bigger then it

[stray elm]

Now a Giga won't go after a rex, and both won't go after alpha's.

[stray elm]

Now, here's the thing that I think causes the yuty bug.

[long sparrow]

raptor fights dilo but not carno

dilo is not in the same group as them

yuty isn't either.

[stray elm]

Yeah, so I think it's more like "small carno, medium carno, big carno" teams.

[shell lintel]

I could go for a raptor pack killing bigger dinos.

[long sparrow]

hopefully this group things is more thought out in ark 2 lol

[stray elm]

So I think what caused the Yuty bug is probably them accidently hitting the yuty or vice versa during killing something, and that causes every carno in the group to become aggro onto the Yuty.

[long sparrow]

most likely a different carno showing up and aggroing it. the ones in the group shouldn't

but its because the yuty and carno are in different groups

[stray elm]

Actually, they're the same.
Wild versions don't attack each other when not in the same group

[long sparrow]

nah but they can hit each other. if yuty's carnos could hit the yuty it'd happen every time or almost.

not semi rare

yeah, sitting in a group and the yuty's carnos aren't hitting it.

[stray elm]

Did you summon something for them to kill?

[long sparrow]

but a spawned one got hit for a second

[long sparrow]

yeah me

second one didn't get claimed before the yuty died

thats most likely whats happening. a non-grouped carno showing up and killing the yuty

game lagged when I was going up and I got killed by the barrier 😂

wonder if that will be in ark 2

[harsh spear]

not just games. if people like a a real sport they tend to stick to it too. thats just how we work as humans.

[long sparrow]

kinda a different point lol. sports don't get sequels.

[blissful perch]

Bad question lmao

[blissful perch]

I wish I knew more about ark’s “group” behavior mechanics. In ASE anyway it seems very loose, where they’d spawn in a group but would really only stay together because they would aggro to the same stuff due to proximity

[harsh spear]

well u tend to stick to something and thats the psychology behind it. thats why sequels sell.
though i feel like these days people arent so easily baited to buy the same thing and expect a little more.

[blissful perch]

I mean people always ask for the same thing, then many get mad when it’s the same

What those people tend to actually want is the same experience. Which not all games can provide with a sequel

[long sparrow]

especially when its a game from their childhood

[blissful perch]

Now I of course want something entirely new, because ark 1 started to really become a slog near the end of my experience

And because I see ark as a massive opportunity for some really creative design to take place - but only after the shackles of ark 1 gameplay are taken away

[harsh spear]

i think we want the same feelings but a different experience. because without it being something new, u wont feel something different than what it already is.

[true viper]

I've tried tracking down what makes the babies follow parents in the wild, and reroute that to instead be something that checks for the level of a dino. I didn't get very far with it in kit, but I do agree, it would be nice to see proper herds of animals. I have to imagine that we'll see something like that with the orcs, a sort of 'follow the leader' kind group traversal.

[blissful perch]

Well this is also promised in ark 2 for migration and watering hole mechanics…so I sure hope it’s common lol

[blissful perch]

Yea my bad, I meant the same experience like “the feeling of wonder and learning something new from scratch” for example

[harsh spear]

what do u mean by that ?

watering hole mechanics

[blissful perch]

creatures will congregate around points of interest like watering holes

[harsh spear]

like krill swarms in the ocean ?

[blissful perch]

like african animals coming to a pool of water

[wicked jungle]

I was researching seen there was a ark 2 trailer 4 years ago what happen to the game??

[stray elm]

Dead

[true viper]

It's been routinely delayed, primarily because of Snails financial blunders in recent years.

[stray elm]

Genuine question.
Wasn't ASA announced before the whole car issue?

[true viper]

It might have been, either way, I get the impression it was Snail who strong armed WC to double down on ASA instead of Ark 2 because of their stock prices

[wicked jungle]

Sorry I'm new to ark just looking stuff up about the game came across the trailer . What's Asa ark ascended,??

[long sparrow]

ark 2 is different to ASA.
ASA is ark survival ascended which is ASE remastered

[true viper]

All good man, it's the soft remaster of the original game, survival evolved.

[wicked jungle]

Best thing if I was them i would drop the number 2 don't put a number behind it. just leave it at ark and give it a sequel level of a upgrade from the ground up .

[stray elm]

I don't know.
If ASA was before the car stuff, then I'm more keen to believe it's Wildcard that knows they have a playerbase for ARK-1 stuff/gameplay, so they'd rather prioritize that, get more money to fund ARK-2, and most importantly hone their skills in UE5 before moving onto ARK-2.
Not saying Snail isn't involved in the delays. But pretty damn sure Wildcard would've worked on ASA either way.

[wicked jungle]

Great game so far tho

I like it alot

[true viper]

You're bang on, but some players are ruthlessly opposed to even the notion of Ark 2

[wicked jungle]

The heck Is car stuff I'm gonna haft to look this stuff up also seen they had a show which I'm watching

[true viper]

Oh the battle rigs, yeah that's a cool mechanic they've brought into the game via the Bobs Tall Tales DLC

[long sparrow]

its not important. just beaurocracy and theories.
if you mean the battlerigs thats bobs tall tales, DLC for ASA

[true viper]

A lot of what WC is doing is feature testing for Ark 2, and the Battle Rigs are one example of that

[wicked jungle]

Maybe they will get back to business I think they can do it it's awesome game

[long sparrow]

they are still doing ASA. ark 2 is a ways out

[true viper]

Oh yeah, Ark 2 is arguably what Ark should have been what Surival Evolved was on day 1.

Things are looking up with Lost Colony though, it will have overt gameplay and narrative implications for Ark 2

[eternal thorn]

I thought I read that Ark 2 was supposed to be focused on primitive technology only... like primitive plus kind of thing

[tribal chasm]

For Ark2 they had planned to use customisation features for weapons / saddles (I think), which would be mostly primitive stuff yeah

[true viper]

Battle Rigs are an example of component based crafting that effects the look and functionality of the object it is

[eternal thorn]

Ah, gotcha

[stray elm]

Armadoggo with it being a companion system seems to really give me the vibe that they'll recycle that system for npc's in ARK-2.

[true viper]

Yeah that too, I'd love to see more of what Armadoggo brought to the game in Ark 2

[stray elm]

God, I hope it isn't going to be like Fallout 76 where you can get named npc's into your camp that everyone has a copy and paste of.
That'll make me think we can get Santiago/Vin-Diesel as a camp npc.
And...that'll have its own consequences.

[true viper]

I'd love to see NPCs, human and orc that have dedicated combat and or utility roles.

[stray elm]

-Installs a few mods.
Santiago: "Survivor, why am I in a maid uniform?"

[true viper]

Dawg

[stray elm]

That's why I hope important npc's like Santiago won't actually be companions.

[true viper]

It would be nice to have the option to bring them along with you, form a soft party of sorts you know?

[stray elm]

I have too much PTSD from other modding communities.
The less we interact with them, the better for them.

[eternal thorn]

I would prefer there were no Santiago/celebrities all together

[true viper]

Eh you’re always going to have at least a hint of that with any game. The same lady whose voices Moana voices Meeka. It’s an eventuality with most things, it just come down to how open is the inclusion

[stray elm]

Santiago is fine, fictional character.
I would like if they brought more B/C listed actors instead of these big A list ones.

[stray elm]

Sounds like a genuine waste of money when you can get the same effect with a lower listed actor that would benefit from being in a IP like ARK, instead of someone like David Tennant.
I love the mans work, but there's plenty more starting actors that would've greatly benefitted from playing those roles instead.

[tribal chasm]

It is just frustrating to see how the game developed:

• Spawn in with nothing
• Run around for a few days with a spear/pike, barely able to fight off the dinos
• Struggle to make and protect a base, especially a large one
• Struggle to tame the dinosaurs around you, especially strong ones

Then you see trailers for stuff involving cats and power rangers...it is just like, how did we go from that type of game to this?

It would be nice to see us being inferior again in Ark 2, at least for certain parts of the map. It's too easy to thrive nowadays, Ark Thrival rather than Survival. I don't mind if they add cool new features to Ark 2, but it shouldn't instantly let us dominate the game.

[eager halo]

ark2 2035

[blissful perch]

A few ark days is exactly the problem lol

[stray elm]

That wont ever last for long.
People will find metas.
People will get better at the game over time or leave.
ASA is still exactly how you listed to new players if they're going in blind.
Can't expect players that have been playing for a decade to struggle during the early game.
This is just the natural progression of any game, especially in rpg's like Elden Ring.
Early game stuff just becomes a chore once you understand everything of it.

[blissful perch]

You should always be wary of the creatures around you

Though I’d actually say the single biggest offender in ark 1 is flak. You can tank way too much in that armor

[stray elm]

To be fair, you can tank with any armor once you reach a high enough quality.
There's an evergreen at like 300+ armor per piece that you basically will no longer take damage until that piece is broken.

[eager halo]

i have asc flak pants that defend for 500 can survive at least 1 attack from anything

[stray elm]

(no damage from most thing I mean. Obviously a Titano/giga can still kill you.)

[tribal chasm]

I think playing on the Time Capsule version of Ark shows this is not entirely true. Yes people get better and solve the game more (see any old MMO like OSRS or WoW Classic). However then you see players with 10,000+ hours struggling on the Time Capsule era of Ark

[blissful perch]

Did they struggle because the game was running at 2fps?

[eager halo]

not titan tho 😭

[blissful perch]

Or did the struggle because it’s tedious to constantly be gathering resources?

[stray elm]

My man, I also have the day-one build of ASE.
Shit is slow, but not hard.

[blissful perch]

I say this because ark 2 has so much potential to drop the tedium of ark 1

[long sparrow]

things have changed so much that playing old versions just isn't the same.
metas change, QOL changes.
playing old minecraft isn't really harder just WAY slower. same thing with ark.
ark 2 will likely be the same after a while, updates will change things.

[stray elm]

That's what I'm saying.
2015 builds of ASE aren't hard, they're just slow.
Because the default rates where like .5 of what we have today.

[long sparrow]

pretty sure its 0.25 for harvesting. taming has also changed.

its just way slower then now. and you have less options

guess you wouldn't have veggie cakes. but there also isn't an overseer or most bosses. so its just a which counts as harder.

[stray elm]

IF anything, they're by far easier in actual difficulty due to the lack of a swamp, and real hazardous biomes like the snow region, and no kapro's/pest animals outside of compy's that can fuck with you.

[long sparrow]

yeah, the nuisances also aren't there.

[stray elm]

No giga as well.
Giga was added later.

[long sparrow]

think thats in the time capsule version.

[stray elm]

I have an older version

Not going to say how, because not sure if Wildcard supports it. But there's a way to get the true 2015 first build of the game.

[long sparrow]

yeah, if you are talking first version then you don't even get bosses really 😂

[stray elm]

Technically I'm playing on a later version that's more stable then the first build.
Since...turns out, never knew this.
They published ASE back in 2015 with fucking 4K textures on everything.

[long sparrow]

wasn't only brood in version 1 I know they were all in it, but can't remember if it was summonable

[stray elm]

On UE4.
Where the average specs was still around the 20 series cards with the 30 series being next gen shit.

[long sparrow]

one of many reasons ASE is huge lol

[blissful perch]

Don’t @ me about file size tho. It’s criminal

[long sparrow]

I wonder if ark 2 will also have a huge filesize 😂

[stray elm]

Actually, all three bosses are available during day one. Just no arenas.

[long sparrow]

did they not require the artifacts? none of dragons were in the first version were they?

[stray elm]

They where. Just looked completely different.

Ice caves weren't made out of ice, and had less dangerous creatures.

[long sparrow]

oh only 2 were there. skylord and strong

the other 2 were added later

[stray elm]

The water ones, right?

[long sparrow]

swamp and lost hope (right side) yeah

[stray elm]

Yeah.

[long sparrow]

I hope ark 2 also has weird changes like that 😂

[blissful perch]

Point being here though…the game was actually easier at the time, but doing anything felt harder because it just took ages

[long sparrow]

there were tons less enemies too.
the only thing that actually made it harder is the lack of breeding and how slow everything is.

including taming because no kibble.

lack of options too

[stray elm]

I don't know about you. But that's not hard.
That's just tedious.

[blissful perch]

Only based part of 2015 ark was no breeding

[long sparrow]

but yeah, you are removing things so options are gonna get removed

[blissful perch]

I loathe tedium, but it’s “harder” to do something if it takes ages, and some people conflate that with true difficulty

I could require 10000 button presses to open a chest, but that’s not the kind of difficulty that’s actually good design

[stray elm]

Sure, but then there's a fine line.
If something is hard because it's tedious, then by being tedious it isn't fun.
I don't 'enjoy' metal runs on The Island. But I do them because metal is a huge part of late game ingredients.
I don't 'breed' because I enjoy it. I do it so I have imprinted creatures that're stronger then the wild caught ones.

[tribal chasm]

I don't associate it with difficulty entirely, but rather balance.
If they added content to ASA or Ark 1 which allowed certain players/tribes to stand out over others, sure.
Right now it's really, really hard to fail...bowling with a large bowling ball + the bumpers up

[long sparrow]

I'm pretty sure people struggle with the time capsule because it runs SO bad 😂 it crashes way more often then updated ASE which also crashes more then normal games.

[stray elm]

Am I the only one who has never crashed with ASE?

Like ASA I've crashed plenty of times.
But I don't recall one time crashing during ASE.

[tribal chasm]

I have a computer from 2012 and and the Time Capsule works totally fine tbh xD

[blissful perch]

I crashed constantly on ase, especially in 2015

[long sparrow]

you got really lucky lol.

or don't play singleplayer

ASE console crashes a lot due to the saving issues.
steam ASE is also being effected by new updates (like drivers and stuff) so it is progressively getting worse.

old versions are the same thing. things are just slowly getting worse.

[blissful perch]

This is somehow even worse. It’s putting a hard time gate on outcomes instead of a skill based one

[stray elm]

I mostly play SP

[long sparrow]

in ASE currently? because beforehand sure. but in the last 2 years (beforehand on consoles) its easy to crash

[blissful perch]

To use the bowling analogy, it’s like saying “the ball is huge and the bumpers are up, so to balance the game I’m going to put a 10 minute delay on the ball return”

[stray elm]

I mostly played SP the entire time.
Used to play ASE on the Xbox One during late 2015 to around 2020 when Gen2 came out.
Then from there on out, I moved to PC.

[long sparrow]

yeah, you switched before the save issue happened. and steam outside of crashes from mods crashes were few.

comparing old versions of things are gonna be wildly different. QOL is a main point in updates.
look at pokemon, how much faster you can do the same things in the newer games (even outside of the broken XP gain)

[tribal chasm]

I agree extreme tedium should not be encouraged, but there has to be a balance regardless. Right now players can tame 1000 dinos,have a massive base, complete many bosses, have almost the best blueprints, endless resources all on day one.

[long sparrow]

only if you know what you are doing.

there are so many options yes, but somebody who just started is still gonna take time to get there.

[blissful perch]

Pokemon (unlike ark) has has great success improving to an endgame that challenges the player and improving complexity without sacking accessibility - mad respect

[blissful perch]

As for this, the crazy high blueprints IS the 10 foot long bowling ball

[long sparrow]

knowing where notes are, knowing what to skip and ignore, going straight to the goals instead of whatever you want, etc. all things a person just starting ark won't do.
it'll take less time then 2015 yeah because the game is faster but it won't be nearly as fast as you are saying

[blissful perch]

And notes are the bowling guard rails

[stray elm]

I don't know.
Every game becomes too easy once you play it for too long.
Even extreme primitive/hardcore survival games ARK-2 is seemingly wanting to imitate like The Forest series/Green Hell become mute after some hours.
Thinking you can keep that throughout the entire games lifespan with the same player seems mute.

[blissful perch]

…moot?

[long sparrow]

just look at any speedrun (in-bounds glitchless obviously)
no matter what game it is, they can beat it WAY faster because they know what to do next and know metas in the game

[stray elm]

🐟

[blissful perch]

But yea if you want people to feel like a game isn’t too easy, you need difficult stuff

[long sparrow]

most games have settings for that, ark included. want it to be harder. make it harder

[blissful perch]

Or at minimum, something engaging to keep people on their toes, even if they’re very accustomed to it. Take say, monster hunter

You can’t really make it mechanically harder

You can just make everything take longer

[long sparrow]

ark is about being tedious. its just a click to kill game

[blissful perch]

Take max level 180 or 210 creatures. It’s just “more tranq shots, more tame food, more hp, more damage”. It’s not like the creatures have different attack patterns

[blissful perch]

Well yes that’s a big part of my beef lol

[long sparrow]

higher difficulty actually make it easier lol

[blissful perch]

It doesn’t have to be that way

That’s the magic of ark 2’s combat system

[long sparrow]

ark 2 probably won't. at least the exact same.

more complicated combat means it won't just be a click to kill 😂

at least probably

[blissful perch]

I mean the system proposed of blocks and parries is already leagues ahead of ark 1

[long sparrow]

ark 1 is like oblivion 😂 (except oblivion you can actually dodge)
its just a simple damage check essentially.

[blissful perch]

Well I won’t argue with that. Combat is a stat check or a cheese check lol

[harsh spear]

that doesnt even work half the time with projectiles

[long sparrow]

in oblivion? you just need to switch directions.

[harsh spear]

no in ark 1 arrows

[blissful perch]

I mean half of ase’s projectiles also noreg in singleplayer 👀

[long sparrow]

oh yeah 😂 the netcode don't like projectiles

its a lot better in ASA.

[harsh spear]

there isnt a singleplayer in ark

[long sparrow]

still worse then most games

[harsh spear]

even the singleplayer runs on a local server

[long sparrow]

its still singleplayer

[harsh spear]

which explains why it noregs there too

[long sparrow]

wonder if that part will be fixed entirely in ark 2😂 obviously desync still will. but will it be more or less likely then ASA

[harsh spear]

u mean in ark 2 ?

[long sparrow]

yeah lol

[harsh spear]

have we even seen something like bow and arrow being a thing ?

[long sparrow]

how is a bow and arrow not primitive

[harsh spear]

it is but it is more of a advanced primitive.

[long sparrow]

I highly doubt they won't put one in 😂

how else would you even tame things

slingshot 😂

would still have the issue anyway

[harsh spear]

tbh i hope they rework the taming entirely because this whole knocking out and then they love you doesnt make sense to me

[long sparrow]

they were designed that way

[harsh spear]

the way u tame an equ makes sense

[long sparrow]

also there were bows in the trailer

[blissful perch]

Bows are pretty damn old. Obviously the oldest hunting tools were axes and spears, but early bows (obviously not composite or longbows) were pretty old iirc

[harsh spear]

true

[long sparrow]

pretty much the next thing 😂

[blissful perch]

My guess is that ark 2 is gonna “cap” at Bronze Age gear - so we’ll get swords and shields made of metals and longbows

Prolly crossbows

[harsh spear]

i think the spitting arrow pipe thing was before bow possibly

[blissful perch]

Gimmie 30 minutes because this is badly needed but I have to run until then lol so don’t want to open that topic yet

[blissful perch]

Blow darts?

Bolas were very old too

[long sparrow]

a google says bows in the "modern and developed sense" are 10000 years old
but flint arrowheads are at least 20k and its plausible that its over 70k years old

[harsh spear]

yea

[long sparrow]

I can see a date of 6000 years old but can't find anything older. probably because of its material it wouldn't last.

yeah, hard to track things that decompose entirely. bows have the flint arrowheads that wouldn't

[harsh spear]

i mean logically it would be much easier to make a blow pipe with darts rather than to craft a bow with a rope like construct

[long sparrow]

potentioally less useful too

not gonna do much against animals

[harsh spear]

with deadly poison it kills them lol

[long sparrow]

that then make the meat useless and you'd need to have said poison lol

[harsh spear]

only the impact im guessing. u know there are people who still hunt like this today

in africa

but they use the poison on arrows with bows

[long sparrow]

this one says the earliest of any recordings of it was about 2000 years seems kinda late.
it also says that the earliest people to use it was south america.

thats of course by evidence. could be older.

[long sparrow]

we'll definitely get bows in ark 2 since its in the trailer
also how would they do taming lol. IRL it takes generations to domesticate something.

[harsh spear]

i think feeding them would make sense but not knocking them out. because this would leave a negative feedback loop in their mind that they would associate with you thus not liking you

[stray elm]

So, here's the thing

Animals created from the ARK's aren't normal animals, nor for the most part even real animals.
They're genetically altered abominations that're biologically programmed to be easily dominated by humans and subjugated to them.

Mei-Yin canonically knocked out creatures to tame them in the notes.

What would normally just piss off a IRL animal due to (as you stated) negative feedbacks.
ARK created animals basically have stockhold syndrome tied to their genetics.

[blissful perch]

Ok, so here’s the first thing to think about - does making “sense” matter? I’d argue, not really as long as you’re within some plausible explanation. What’s much more important is asking the question of “is something worth taming, is the taming difficulty proportional to the benefit you receive from the tamed creature, and is the taming method actually engaging rather than tedious?

[harsh spear]

where is that info from ?

[stray elm]

The notes themselves.

Specifically when Mei-Yin knocks out a raptor and rock drakes to tame them.
And for the genetics stuff, that was explained by The One Who Waits.

[blissful perch]

Also get rid of taming effectiveness. It was a bandaid mechanic added to prevent cheesing the KO tame system. As soon as that mechanic is gone, the potential for taming methods explodes because no longer is a single mistake completely ruining the quality of your tame

[harsh spear]

i mean even if they were biologically altered to be easily dominated by humans , it still wouldnt make sense that they would trust someone that hurt them. thats against their nature

[stray elm]

Nature can be rewired when they're not real animals.

[blissful perch]

The lore is “creatures were made for humans to take them as tools to beat the arks and eventually take on the titans”

[elder olive]

I do wonder where wildcard got this odd taming method

[blissful perch]

But I’d also say “who cares” to the lore on this one - taming is such a core mechanic to ark that it’s critical that improvements be done to improve the mechanic first -> then you can tweak the lore as needed

[blissful perch]

It’s genius because it’s crazy easy as a “no mechanic” method

There’s no minigames, very few new animations, a couple of new stats like the likely double serving torpor bar for poisons, and boom

Very smart move in 2015 when ark had almost 0 resources

[stray elm]

They're also not resurrected dinosaurs as people think.
They're all (mostly besides otters/cats) are fictional animals purely created from the ground up by the ARK's.
A rex in ARK is canonically not a Tyrannosaurus Rex, but a Tyrannosaurus Dominum as their dossier states.
Same as raptors, being Utah-Raptor Primes. Which is a fictional species of the Utah-Raptor genus.
Nature doesn't apply to genetically created monsters.

[elder olive]

Should do far cry primal taming honestly lol even though irl you'll die immediately

[harsh spear]

jurrassic park says different lol

[blissful perch]

“Nature doesn’t apply to genetically created” makes me laugh as a biologist lol cause that’s obviously not true. But as stated here, the lore need only be good enough and most people will go along with it

[stray elm]

Jurassic Park's dinosaurs are hybrids of real DNA with frog DNA.

[harsh spear]

but theyre genetically created monsters

[blissful perch]

Creating life is creating genetics guys. If you did NON genetic creating of life, now that’s a monster

[stray elm]

When I they're created by the ARK's, I mean they're created from the ground-up.
Jurassic Park dinosaurs are still genetically based off of real dinosaurs.
ARK creatures are just flat out fictional. As seen with the ARK's creating wyverns from the ground up.

[wraith saddle]

thats just AI

[blissful perch]

Self replicating AI in its highest form perhaps. Anything less isn’t likely going to come close to qualifying

[harsh spear]

they arent made from the ground up. theyre at least heavily inspired by evidence of real creatures

[stray elm]

Should've phrased it better.
Nature of an genetically created animal doesn't matter if those they're so far deprived from their original genetics that they no longer follow their original/wild nature.

[stray elm]

Like, let me double check. But if I recall Marc stated as such on his Reddit Q&A.

[blissful perch]

Not your fault, but that’s also BS. Genetic distance doesn’t mean squat in terms of instinctual behavior

[harsh spear]

i mean if u say utah raptor prime or whatever, its still inspired by an utah raptor so its not like they came up with something unique

[wraith saddle]

how could you even try and say ark dinosaurs are totally fictional 😭

[stray elm]

Inspiration doesn't mean they're genetically related.

[blissful perch]

Now the ark notes did confirm that the ark’s creatures were designed to be “more suitable than normal wild animals to working with humans and executing complex commands”

[stray elm]

And we have in-universe instances of them being easily subjugated by humans.
These aren't normal animals. Their primary purpose is to serve humans. They just have to be reminded of it.

[blissful perch]

I mean idk about “reminded” cause they weren’t brainwashed or had amnesia lol. They’re just hardwired by design to partner with sufficiently able humans

It’s certainly true they aren’t just “random earth wild animals”

[stray elm]

Point is, they be wack and are far from being their IRL counterparts.

[harsh spear]

thats honestly just a bad excuse for having a replaceable taming method imo.
it was fine for ase but i think ark 2 should try to aim for something more realistic. because every time i tame something it reminds me of how weird it feels to knock it down to then be buddys with it. its contradicting and goes against this feel u wanna create which is to bond with the creature u tamed.

[blissful perch]

Sure, though I believe they’re also intended to seed “more normal” life once the titans and element infection are purged

[blissful perch]

Well start here then Siggi

Cause I agree that lore is a garbage reason to keep the ark 1 taming scheme lol

[stray elm]

Like, a kidnapper can bond with their victim.
You're taking a wild animal out of its natural habitat. If it wasn't for them being built to be around humans. Some of them would 100% die in captivity due to stress of being captive, if we wanted to be realistic.

[harsh spear]

its not so much about it making sense but the feeling when u play the game and for me it always felt weird

[stray elm]

Taking any wild animal into captivity is a grey area of morality.

[blissful perch]

If we want to be realistic, 90% of ark players would die from dysentery

[stray elm]

Yerp

[blissful perch]

I mean is it any less weird to stick food up a creature’s butt while it walks aimlessly around?

And I can assure you jumping onto a wild zebra trying to feed it a carrot is a sure fire way to get seriously injured

[harsh spear]

but its a difference captivity vs trust. like u can actually bond to an animal where u help each other. i mean thats how it worked originally with humans and dogs right. they were beneficial for each other so they naturally bonded.

[stray elm]

But it is because it doesn't make sense is why you feel weird about it.
You just earlier had a hard time with the concept of "genetically tied Stockholm syndrome in these genetically made animals" and due to that not making any logical sense, it feels weird.

[blissful perch]

Well…the current thinking is that dogs and humans formed an uneasy alliance as hunting partners that often could share kills and had complementary skills

It was hardly an overnight affair

[harsh spear]

right.. but many things in games go by quicker than they would naturally.

[stray elm]

Aren't those studies tied to the fact that now crows are slowly allying with wolfs in Yellowstone Park?

[blissful perch]

Not slowly. They ARE

they are currently, right now, hunting with wolves

[stray elm]

Right, wasn't sure if it'd be considered tamed yet or not.

[blissful perch]

What’s “tamed”? Tons of animals have symbiotic relationships

[harsh spear]

bonded would be the better wording

[blissful perch]

We just define domestication usually as the complete control of a species’ reproduction to serve human resource or service needs

[stray elm]

Right.

[blissful perch]

I don’t see that relationship coming about between crows and wolves

[stray elm]

Isn't taming and domestication different though?

[blissful perch]

“Taming” isn’t usually a real thing

[stray elm]

Oh, wait. Nope they're the same.

Taming is a synonym for domestication.

[harsh spear]

so in far cry primal u would see a difference in that matter . they would give u more of a feeling of bonding and u would try to feed them to do so. however if ark2 would try to just copy that, i think it would be lame. so its probably better to make tames more action like, like we have with the equu where u ride it and it will eventually calm down and stop resisting.

[blissful perch]

Right, thought you meant ark taming. The closest real world equivalent to ark taming I suppose is bonding with an individual, which is often wildly separate from species wide domesticating

Also uhhhh. Far cry primal taming was ok at best

You just yeet meat at something a few times and it loves you

[harsh spear]

ye ik thats why i say it would be lame

[blissful perch]

Ark taming should be a challenge to overcome, and it should feel like getting a familiar in an rpg

Nobody is gonna be looking up “how to domesticate animals” and be mad that ark doesn’t do that. They’re gonna want to feel engaged, challenged, rewarded, and ideally connected to what they tame

That’s why the coolest tame methods on paper in ASE were the “hunt with the wild creature to tame it”

[harsh spear]

i guess u could also do it where u protect the creature from other creatures, that would fit for herbivores

[stray elm]

That's what I thought taming was

[harsh spear]

but it depends how the wild creatures interact. like if they would naturally rarely attack but suddenly attack more when u try to tame, it would feel odd.

[stray elm]

Thought taming was the process of gaining a friendship/relationship with another animal, but the domestication is domestication.

[stray elm]

Also Siggi, don't think I'm trying to argue with you about ARK-2 taming. I do agree it should change. Just was correcting your point that in at least ARK-1's canon, that KO taming is canon, and these aren't normal animals and have basically Stockholm syndrome for a genetic trait towards humans.

[harsh spear]

i mean u can make anything canon to make it fit with the game design

[blissful perch]

Amarga is “hunt to tame” and it’s an herbivore

Just because it eats plants doesn’t mean it’s passive. Common misconception. Some of the scariest animals on earth won’t eat you

[stray elm]

100%
But this is also made by the same people that dumped millions of their own personal cash into a show that is doing 'eh' just so they can animated the notes and expand the narrative.
So, seems like they take the narrative somewhat seriously.

[blissful perch]

Except didn’t they tweak the narrative between the notes and the show?

Even between pre and post extinction?

[stray elm]

They changed aspects of the notes in the show as, in Jeremy's words "because we wanted it to still feel unique from the notes"

[stray elm]

That's due to the departure of Marc Soskin, the original writer.
We don't fully know how they operate internally, but from what I understand, seemingly it's Jeremy/Jesse who comes up with the general ideas of the world while their hired writers is the one to then translate it into notes and make note characters to then slowly relay these world ideas into them.

[harsh spear]

so if ark 2 is gonna connect to ark 1 , how can we be sure that it will be primitive then. as there is often technology around obelisks and such

and people would naturally expect those things theyve seen in ase

[stray elm]

Tl;dr
Genesis ship goes BOOM after Gen2 and everyone crashed onto Arat, the planet ARK-2 is set on while they're buttnaked.
That is the confirmed narrative.

The planet you see at the end of Gen2 is Arat.

[harsh spear]

even if it starts out primitive, i feel like theyre just gonna add better things in dlcs as the game progresses

[stray elm]

God I fucking hope

[harsh spear]

with technology being slowly involved

thats kinda what happened with ase

[blissful perch]

I mean it’s scifi

And it always will be. The question is how that materializes in gameplay

[stray elm]

I don't mind a more primitive style base game.
But if we're to expect ARK-2 to have a 10+ year life span. I don't want to stay with shitty wooden houses and barely functioning tools for that entire playthrough.
While I'm salty Tek wont be in ARK-2, I'm fine with it as long as slowly over the course of expansions, they AT LEAST go back to medieval era shit, or if they really want to treat me, early industrial stuff for the end game/Gen2 equivalent for ARK-2.

[blissful perch]

I think ark 2 would be squandered massively by jetpacks and the tek tier. However, I also think that element in its varied forms can add a ton of spice and flavor to ark 2’s world, be it tech/tools, creatures, etc

[stray elm]

I just wonder how, IF they where to later on readd guns. How that'd play out in a third person only game?
Like, with the souls-like combat, would it be more in the gameplay of Gears of War, or would it just feel to wonky and clanky? Akin to gun mods for Elden Ring just feeling...off.

[blissful perch]

…like horizon or monster hunter or a variety of other games with ranged weapons?

[stray elm]

Oh, fair.

So yeah, Gears of War without covering

[blissful perch]

It’s just frommsoft that can’t seem to figure out ranged weapons lol

[stray elm]

Fiar.

FIAR?!
Meant to say fair

ARK to me has always been about progression through technology, even in the 2015 version of ASE it was about that.
So I hope it isn't completely removed for ARK-2's life cycle.

[harsh spear]

id prefer it being the type of experience u would expect when u were sent back in time when dinosaurs existed but thats just me

[stray elm]

ARK has never been about that. That's the thing.

[true viper]

There can be room for both. I personally think that any setting with Dinosaurs is at its best when the technology level doesn't exceed past what you seen in Game of Thrones or Lord of the Rings. You sort of get a best of both worlds approach. With Lord of the Rings, the unga bunga cave men are the Dunnlandings, and in Game of Thrones you have the Wildlings.

[harsh spear]

but many people do just view at as the dinosaur game

[stray elm]

Many people are wrong

[true viper]

Arguably why Ark 2 is taking the stylistic approach that is. I wager to guess that people have that perception because of the way Ark was originally marketed. It didn't have this overtly heavy handing SciFi element that it later took on, and the nostalgia for that idea at least is very strong in peoples hearts.

[harsh spear]

so u agree with me. but this is likely not whats gonna happen when u look at how ase has evolved and how its leading into ark 2. the only thing that gives me a bit of hope is that they said its gonna be more focused on primitve

[stray elm]

What type of stories with dinosaurs go past those points, though?
Almost every popular dinosaur movie/game has technology either modern or more advanced.

[untold ingot]

Ark has always been a futuristic scifi game lol

[stray elm]

Yep

[untold ingot]

I don't recall them saying it'll focus on primative. Only that it'll be souls like and have less tek

[true viper]

Dinotopia, but sort of flipped that notion on its head and made advanced technologies a remenant of the past.

Dino Knights would be another, but that's the deepest of deep cuts so far as paleo-media is concerned

[harsh spear]

i saw something about it being primitive on the steam page. however the german site for ark 2 still isnt available so i cant look it up..

[stray elm]

That's two, sure. Probably good as well.
But so many dino medias are more sci-fi/modern then not.
Dino Crysis.
Jurassic Park/World
Primal Carnage.
The Isle
Turok. (which I think Jeremy has stated he grew up with, so likely the major inspiration for ARK)

[true viper]

Like I said, there's room for both and shouldn't be thought of as a 1 or the other type of deal

[untold ingot]

They don't mention the word primitive on the steam page. Closest they come is primal.

[blissful perch]

There’s also a very clear distinction between sci fi environments and sci fi gameplay

[true viper]

It's all about its placement in the progression of the game, and the world at large for that matter

[blissful perch]

Ark 1’s tek tier was clearly sci fi gameplay - Ark 2 certainly doesn’t need to do that to still have a heavily sci fi inspired world and feel

[stray elm]

Stiiiiill think Tek wouldn't be so hated if it actually fit into the rest of the games gameplay loop and didn't just make everything so easy.

[true viper]

Ark 2 isn't in the position to completely ignore Tek either. If it were taking place hundreds or thousands of years post crash than maybe?

[blissful perch]

But that’s the entire issue. Because people expected a progression system that kept upgrading and out scaling the environment (instead of an expansion of the toolkit), it was an almost inevitable outcome

[stray elm]

But with Santiago still alive and seemingly cloning no longer being a thing. It's clear that this is not long after Gen2.

[untold ingot]

Yeah, but Santiago from Gene is there. So it's like at most 20 years

[true viper]

Either way, at least for mods, I have to imagine it will be easy for them to ignore story implications and whatever else and create content that fits into that mold.

[stray elm]

Unlikely, as he'd physically would look older.

[harsh spear]

how so? if the advanced technology is part of ur progression then u will follow along and use that so its not like u could choose to not have that type of experience. and for me there is certain things like jetpack or motorboat that kinda throw me off that feeling of being in this past world.

[blissful perch]

I mean the tek scrap sword is a confirmed thing

[stray elm]

If we're to assume at least Santiago is the same age Vin is IRL

[blissful perch]

In fairness you aren’t in a past world. That’s the entire point of ark’s world building

[true viper]

Right, I'm saying that IF Ark 2 were taking place far later in the timeline than what we currently believe, there's more justification for the narrative and world of the game to ignore Tek all together

[untold ingot]

If he was 30, 20 years would be 50. Most people don't change toooo much in that time, especially with an active lifesty6

[stray elm]

That's the thing. ARK has never, been never, and will never be in a 'past' world.

[untold ingot]

Yeah, but that's not how it is. Its just after crash

[stray elm]

Vin is 57, so if we're to assume Santiago is around the same age. 20 years would be a lot.

[true viper]

Dawg, that's exactly what I'm saying.

[blissful perch]

All of my comments here are to the effect of “I want to survive among wildlife I’m always paying attention to and being cautious of” - because it’s simply not accurate to want ark to be something it isn’t (a realistic “prehistoric planet” survival)

[untold ingot]

Yeah, if Santiago is older, the timescale is much smaller

[stray elm]

Also, depends on when he helped conceive Meeka. Because she's like....8ish?
Seems likely ARK-2 is set within the first decade, not past it.

[stray elm]

If someone wanted the last bit, then just wait another 20+ years until The Isle finally adds primitive humans. Then you'll have that gameplay.

[true viper]

The brutal truth of the vanilla game is that it does have a very overt and heavy handed SciFi bent to it, not a low tech high fantasy type brush that's painted over the narrative. ASE had this really great overhaul mod called Survival Plus (not primitive plus) that drastically scaled down the advanced technologies in favor of a more primitive style of gameplay, and honestly it made the experience feel like something you've lived in.

[blissful perch]

Hold up I’ve not heard of that one. I heard of the hunted, but that’s the closest thing I saw to someone doing this

[true viper]

Actually inspired me to make my mods. It was a really great piece of content.

[true viper]

I'll send you a link to the steam page VIA dms

[stray elm]

Not apposed to a primitive world.
But I think it's both unrealistic and boring compared to ARK-1's premise to image an ARK title staying one single era of technology throughout it's lifecycle.
I'm down for an unga-bunga hunga-lunga base-game. But if shit ain't progressing after the second/third expansion, then I'mma fucking dip because that shit, just like any tier in ARK (including Tek, as much as I love it) gets boring after a bit.

[harsh spear]

i think the earliest version of ark didnt have any futurstic elements other than drops. i think there wasnt even obeliscs. and it was heavily inspired by the hunger games when they tried to push the pvp gamemode. so the dropsystem was futuristic and the implant. but those things originally were more of gameplay element than what u would expect of a sci fi movie. all of this other stuff came later as the game progressed

[stray elm]

Obelisks, implants, and the hexagon barriers where always day one.
My man, you can SEE the obelisks in the first ever trailer.

Same as the tek growths in the caves.

[harsh spear]

i think that they originally did make the island with the intent to replicate the past world

[true viper]

That's completely fair. Fortunately Ark is in the kind of position where it can cater to pretty much any thematic style, albeit if heavily modded if not by yourself then others.

There's some things that can't be escaped from like the Obelisks and Tek Cave (at least in ASA), but the possibility and plausibility to make the game a medieval/prehistoric unga bunga game is definitely possible.

[blissful perch]

I mean there’s also a very common belief I don’t understand that “primitive means there’s no progressing”

[stray elm]

Sure, but then they started to add too many stuff to The Island like swamps, redwoods, and a whole snow region that threw it out of the window under the first year.
IF and big IF that was their plan. That plan is no longer what they want with the ARK IP.
ARK is more closer to Turok with its sci-fi aspects then a primitive world with dinosaurs.
ARK-2 will not be any different, as we'll have remnants of the Genesis ship on the planet, and Element to some degree is softly confirmed to be the antagonist again. A a sci-fi alien hivemind substance.

[blissful perch]

You can do a LOT of progressing and unlocking new tools and mechanics throughout your play experience without needing to toss aside 60+% of the game’s tools and weapons after a couple of hours

[true viper]

TBF, there are segements of the player base that rely on others thinking for them.

As unfortunate as it is, that's just the way it is. I may be guilty of it myself to some extent.

[blissful perch]

The awesome power of groupthink

[stray elm]

That's why I'm on the fence for ARK-2.
Primitive is subjective.
They can 100% do a 180 turn and release industrial stuff day one and go "technically, in the time line of the universe. This stuff is now considered primitive"
Or go completely unga bunga with just sticks and stones.

[true viper]

I feel like it may take on a more Monster Hunter like approach where things look less advanced than they really are.

[blissful perch]

Agree completely

The assumption that primitive means “if it isn’t a rock or a stick it’s out of the question” just makes me chuckle lol

[true viper]

Cause if we get metal swords, pikes and shields again, that relies on a dark ages level of metal forging, which is primitive compared to what we do with steel today, but high tech in its own right.

[blissful perch]

No other animal has performed metal working after all

(But other animals have made tools of stone and sticks)

[true viper]

Yeah, but it's very utilitarian. Chimps will use sticks to eat ants like a kebab, but they're not craftsman

[blissful perch]

They’ll whittle them down for insect fishing, but yes it’s hardly the same as advanced woodworking

[true viper]

Stick go in hole, ants come out, chimp happy

[harsh spear]

i thought that metal forging still fits within that primitive because i viewed it as someone who knows more goes back in time where u would know which rocks to mine for metal, heat it and forge. but other things like motor boat or tek space ship were out of explanation

[blissful perch]

Homie I know how to forge metal but I’d likely be miserable at doing so. It’s a difficult and particular craft

[untold ingot]

Again, I don't recall them ever saying primitive. The steam page does not use that word

[true viper]

I guess people also think of primitive in the say way they think of uncivilized, which in some ways is true, but so far as human beings are concerned, we have the same level of cognition that we did 2,000 years ago, the only difference is that we just know more things.

[blissful perch]

One of their initial tweets iirc is where primitive was used

[true viper]

Even if the steam page doesn't say so, both trailers are incredibly overt in their primitive-ness.

It's a core artistic staple of the art direction WC is aiming for with Ark 2

[untold ingot]

Melee combat!=primative

[blissful perch]

Did you see a rifle?

[untold ingot]

I don't really see a reason they wouldn't add one tbh. People are going to ask for one.

[true viper]

No, but I'd be surprised if there wasn't one. There was that Rex saddle leak from 2023 that use Tek Scrap as armor.

[blissful perch]

People will ask for all sorts of stuff, and have asked for all sorts of stuff, that wc has known better than to add

[true viper]

Even then, Santiago and other humans are doubtlessly smart enough to make rudimentary firearms of their own. They're not complex tools in their base function.

[blissful perch]

I suspect a musket will be in ark 2, but much more imo will shatter any premise of primal or primitive

[untold ingot]

The dude built a spaceship and blew up an ark. Yeah he can do it 🤣

[true viper]

I'd be very surprised if there wasn't a firearm of some kind in the game.

[harsh spear]

there are so many shooter games and yet people also wanna force their way into a dinosaur game. doesnt make sense to me

[blissful perch]

Yea why anyone simps for the ark Fabi sniper is beyond me

If that kind of firearm is in ark 2, it’s cooked

“Oh wow you can block and dodge attacks? So cool”

“Teehee I have a long range hitscan weapon! You can’t react and you’re dead ;)”

[true viper]

It also depends on what Santiagos thinks of Tek

I had to rewrite that message so many times before it let me send it lmao

[blissful perch]

What WC tells Santiago to think you mean

[true viper]

Same difference

[blissful perch]

But yes, the narrative will have to align with whatever vision they have for the tech

It’s well poised to be primitive imo, but who can say

[true viper]

Tek will be in the game, it's just a hand toss as to the frequency we encounter it, and if it's usable or not.

[blissful perch]

Oh yes I suspect it’s heavily involved in the story or bosses

I wouldn’t be shocked if it showed up as something like the big gun thingy you use at the end of genesis 2

[true viper]

It depends if the narrative calls for that. There still is that 'Dark forces' entry in the steam page

I pray to God it's not Rockwell again

[blissful perch]

Well yes lol that’s true

I do secretly want to see enforcers not done dirty

Also did you send me that link 👀

[true viper]

Yeah man, check DMs

[hardy beacon]

Thought this game was cancelled

[blissful perch]

Nope. Just heavily delayed

[leaden cloak]

Ark 2 Is coming in 2030

[compact harbor]

just need to cancel this garbage dump of a fire and be done with it. zero interest in dark souls combat and being stuck in third person.

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[languid hamlet]

I believe what you meant to say was dumpster fire. The combat is a huge improvement

[rough cosmos]

2060*

[compact harbor]

ark combat is just fine. PvP is for basement dwellers and teenagers that dont touch grass or have a life. One could say it also needs removed the game and needs to go back to being a component of PvE where Tribe leaders can agree to PvP at will.

Edit. Also I ment garbage dump. Like the landfill the place where all trash goes. ARK2 is far more than one dumpster fire.

[languid hamlet]

Pressing 1 button isn’t much of a combat system so I wouldn’t call it fine, if you like that then okay but improved combat isn’t an issue or a reason for why the game would be bad

[blissful perch]

If by “this garbage dump” you mean ark 1’s combat system and monetization scheme, I’m on board for change. Time to see something modern!

[elder olive]

Yea never liked arks gameplay combat. Although im not a fan of the souls like combat. I just hope it's more of a basic casual combat system. You know the light attack block. Heavy attack dodge or roll. Non of that special attacks or whatever.

[true viper]

Arks current combat system is very rudimentary. Not many dinos have stances or attacks that specifically geared towards defense or anything turn based or souls like. If people like the current combat system, all the more power to them, but it's ridiculous to think that WC shouldn't want to branch out like every other game studio does.

[languid hamlet]

This description sounds pretty much like souls like combat to me honestly

[elder olive]

There's game out there like this but does not feel like a souls games. Example dead island 2 it's just not 3rd person.

[stray elm]

Conan Exiles I think is the best example of what ARK-2's gameplay will conceptually be like.

HOPEFULLY just not as janky and actually feels good to hit stuff.

[elder olive]

Yea i always hated the jankyness in ark. Especially the grapple

[stray elm]

Was kind of hoping they'd make the grapples in ASA more like the bloodstalker swinging when it was announced.

[wicked jungle]

Ark 2 people Is it true that ascended Is getting a big update to the world and some graphics

[blissful perch]

Not for ark 2

Ark 2 is an entirely new game - I’ve not heard anything about an Asa upgrade beyond the new UE engine being implemented (which might be those things)

[stray elm]

Ascended, yes.
ARK-2 though is a different product.

Also, FYI. What do you mean by 'world?'
If you mean the existing maps? No, unless they wiggle in the time later on to go back to those maps and add new UE5.5 features onto them. But they stated that's IF they can find the time. Likely only maps past Rag will utilize 5.5 features on release.
And if they did go back, don't expect major landscape/geographical changes. As only new stuff in 5.3-5.5 are less actual landscape changes and more background performance/improvements to internal stuff like materials/lumen then actual major visual changes you'll notice playing the game.

Tl;dr 5.5 will mostly just be lighting/performance improvements for players.

[true viper]

Something I would really like to see is component based crafting for structures

I think there's a lot of value that could be extracted from that

[wicked jungle]

Ok i get you so the new maps would really benefit from un real engine 5 or get more details and so on .

[stray elm]

Every map 'should' get improvements with their performance. But only maps starting with Rag and up will fully utilize any new lighting or mechanical stuff 5.5 introduces.
For example, the new megalights will likely be utilize for those maps, but they MAY go back to pre-Rag maps and add megalights and such as well.

[stray elm]

Hope we see shale in ARK-2.

Remember shale, guys?

[true viper]

Tbh, shale was just re-tinted stone lol

[stray elm]

Visually? Yes.
Mechanically? No

It was suppose to be a self-healing base.
It was apparently almost implemented it into Gen2, but removed it because of the memories on that current gen of consoles just having a hard time running it.

[true viper]

Ah, didn't know that

[blissful perch]

I don’t get this…I do like more materials but I’m not sure I grasp what a component based structure would be

You mean like a table with legs made of rock and a table top of wood?

[true viper]

Something like that yeah. With my own structure mod stuff I'm doing, I'm going VERY in-depth, almost to an insane degree, and it would be nice to pre-make an arrangement of wall inside a crating station.

[stray elm]

Get fucked

[true viper]

It is NOT fun

I have 16 different slopes of walls to work with

[stray elm]

That was towards a spammer.

[true viper]

Ah right on

[stray elm]

I'd like to see at some point during ARK's lifetime a living structure set.
We already have technically living turrets via the wasp nest BTT introduced and the species plants. (which to this day I'm sad we never got a Ext and Gen1 version)

I guess actually that's technically what shale would've been.

I don't know.
I want my meat base.
Fuck inorganic stone bases.
Return to living in another organism.

Oh god, would it scream though if it got damaged?

🐟

[blissful perch]

I’d also like a wide range of materials that had different effects

More sidegrades instead of “stone is always better than wood is always better than thatch” would also be excellent

[elder olive]

Like grounded where u can choose to make a holographic blueprint structure before u put the actual structure or did i misread. Cause that would be cool

[mossy blade]

were going to get viscera cleanup detail 2 befor ark 2

[eager halo]

when ark2?

[harsh spear]

definetly agree. u should be able to make good looking bases without sacrifcing their strength. so they should all be unified into the same resistance category

[blissful perch]

I’m fine with some level of strength (ie thatch being the super early game cheap stuff) but yes most of the building materials imo should have similar resistance categories/strength. Though it would also be really interesting to have materials that provide different strengths/weaknesses for PvE players

[harsh spear]

as long as there is a benefit for 1 material, u will never use the lower one. thats why u rarely see wood or thatch inspired bases .its lame. minecraft does this correctly where u only use them for the looks and not for resistance tiers. it reduces your ability to be creative in base building.

and having wood or thatch inspired bases does seem like something u would want when the world in ark 2 seemingly is more focused on primitive / primal.

[untold ingot]

Having early game structures with the same dura as late game structures means early game methods of raiding are either the same as late game, or are unbalanced. Resistances of structures shouldn't be based for aesthetic in pvp

[harsh spear]

early methods of raiding ? like what ?

meta is that u start up with stone ( skipping wood and thatch at any point ).
then turn to metal.
and raiding is always the same. u come with stego, tank turrets, then use explosives. i dont see how structure resistance being different has a positive influence on that

[wind ridge]

When is ark2 coming out?

[inner steeple]

sometime in 2027, no joke btw, its either that or later, after all of the maps on here are out

[wind ridge]

Kk ty

[blissful perch]

My point is that the benefits are sidegrades rather than upgrades after a certain point. You’d still want a cheap early game material like thatch to toss a quick floor down in the field, but MOST of the materials would be on parity, like stone/adobe/shale

[blissful perch]

But yea this is kinda pointless reasoning imo. All raiding is C4/grenades/explosives + soakers, and unless ark 2 changes that system, the building material is pointless except as a very weak “how many explosives do you have” check. Only exception I suppose is tek, but it’s rarely used to make bases in ark 1 and is often seen as easier to break because it’s weak to tek weapons with high range (at least as I understood in ASE - can’t speak for asa)

[tawdry talon]

after genesis

almost confrimed in their official site

" from extincion to genesis to the journey of ARK 2"

[untold ingot]

Raiding thatch and wood is hatchets and such lol

[blissful perch]

It’s called an open base lol, cause wood and thatch is a bob base with likely no turrets

[prime fossil]

Don’t forgot about soaker throwers

[untold ingot]

The paradigm of different tiered structures is a staple of open world pvp games like this

[blissful perch]

Ok, but do all materials have to be in a separate tier? I’d think that’s pointlessly restrictive

[harsh spear]

if u wanna have the ability to farm to upgrade your base, you could still implement a system where u can upgrade a structure with matierals to a higher a resistance tier without having to slot it into their respective visual appearance.

like for instance, when u have a wood wall u could farm wood and thatch , go to the strucutre and upgrade the resistance tier with those materials so it can tank more hits.

[blissful perch]

Oh that’s interesting. Sort of like a “reinforcement” system rather than building with a new material

[harsh spear]

yep. and this would make it where people would naturally use the ressources that are more common in their biome to build the base. so it would make it look better with the world. but it also doesnt force people to only use that one type of material. they could still choose to go out their way and farm for a wood base in a desert.

[untold ingot]

Not per se. But making them all have the same so pvp can have aesthetic bases seems like pointless effort. No real pvp player will do that

[harsh spear]

the game isnt just pvp. its also pve. and there isnt any downside for pvp. also its not a big effort when u can copy paste the existing code from stone structure and put the same for wood / thatch.

[untold ingot]

In pve you can make your house out of anything and be fine

[blissful perch]

A real PvP player would likely appreciate the ability to build out of local materials

It’s more valuable for PvE sure to have more building materials, but there’s no reason to make PvP bases use identical materials. Since PvP only cares about tier, the flexibility is at worst minimally used and at best it’s a rare place to deviate from the meta (especially if there is greater variation in local materials).

[untold ingot]

Sure, but being holed up shouldn't be encouraged

[untold ingot]

Having different textures on the same thing is done in Asa using skins. I think that's fundementally better than having loads of different types of equivalent structures.

You can have whatever texture or look you want, without having to farm ridiculous quantities of different resources.

[harsh spear]

asa doesnt have different textures for structure as far as i know.. anyway, so u would rather want a system where the tiers stay like they are but u can change the skin of them. isnt that just a worse version of what i explained ? like why would u farm stone to then build a wood house.

[untold ingot]

Skins. Custom cosmetic mods for structures. There are a lot of those.

[harsh spear]

doesnt solve the issue that everyone uses the same tier

[untold ingot]

It's fundementally better than having a billion different types of structure

[untold ingot]

I don't see that as an issue

Do me a favor and explain why thst is an issue instead of using dumb emojis

[harsh spear]

stale , boring, always the same farming. visually unappealing.

for example, u cant try to build a wooden base like u would see jungle tribes do, because its worse than higher tiers ( stone,metal ) so it just gives u less options.

[untold ingot]

You can use a structure cosmetic for the same effect without needlessly bloating the number of different structures.

[harsh spear]

they already exist. so ur point doesnt make any sense. and again, why would u farm stone to build a wood base. that doesnt make sense.

[untold ingot]

Why would you pointlessly bloat the number of structures when a better solution already exists

[harsh spear]

what are you talking about

[untold ingot]

Variety for variety's sake does not make good gameplay. That doesn't add any quality to the game, just makes it so people have to grind more

[harsh spear]

no it makes it so u have to grind less actually. because u can use more ressources for building. and how can u not see how its a quality that u can choose different material for building than u can do currently due to resistance limitation.

[untold ingot]

Either way I am like 99% sure custom cosmetics will be in ark2

[untold ingot]

Because I don't see it as better.

[harsh spear]

custom cosmetics for wood -> wood maybe. but not stone -> wood cuz it doesnt make sense

[untold ingot]

Why not, they exist in Asa. Heck you can make a tek - > wood base

[harsh spear]

thats just stupid though

its faking

[untold ingot]

And? It's a game...

[harsh spear]

isnt that bad for pvp when u pretend something that it isnt

[untold ingot]

Only because skins counted as structures.

I don't think they do anymore, so it makes 0 difference

[harsh spear]

i mean when u come up with a strategy due to the material like tek rifling and then it turns out that its faked visual appearence so it doesnt work.

[untold ingot]

Look at ckfr in Asa. With that together with vanilla you had 7 or 8 unique tiers of structure to make bases, but there is much more quality in design and much more creativity 8n builds with custom cosmetics than there ever was in ase.

[untold ingot]

Most people in pvp play with cosmetics turned off. You can do that

[harsh spear]

yea and my idea would work where u dont have to do that to gain an advantage

[untold ingot]

Bases look better and are better,because it is by an large a better solution

[untold ingot]

Your idea of having different structures have the same resistances?

[harsh spear]

yes

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I don't see how that's good at all. That's literally the same concept as custom cosmetics with less freedom and more bloat

[harsh spear]

how is it more bloat ?

[untold ingot]

More engrams to learn more stuff to farm to get the look you want.

More different types of structures you have to make

By and large it's a worse direction

[harsh spear]

it makes sense that u have to farm those ressources though. being able to turn a stone base into a wood base makes it so your effort of farm feels weird. its out of immersion. also, because u still care only about the highest resistance tier with skins means that the farming u would do is always for the same material which also means that there is less use u can get out of different tamable creatures.

[untold ingot]

I really don't see how that's an issue. It's like comparing the new kibble tiers to old kibble system. Why needlessly bloat the amount of work a player has to do just to play

[harsh spear]

that doesnt apply though because in fact it makes it so you have to do less work because you can use any ressource and not just the best one

and more freedom of taming for use

[untold ingot]

Yeah, because it makes sense to have thatch be as strong as steel

That doesn't break immersion at all

[harsh spear]

how is that different when u put a thatch skin on steel though

[untold ingot]

Since we established thst it's not different and they already have that system employed in custom cosmetics, the logical conclusion is to stay with custom cosmetics

[harsh spear]

yea lets just ignore all the points we have discussed

[untold ingot]

Which? That it makes it more bloated?

[elder olive]

Pretty sure u can remove the option to see it

[untold ingot]

Make it so thatch and metal are the same and everyone will unanimously opt to use thatch, and every other tier will be ignored

[untold ingot]

Yup

The only point to different tiers of structures is for the different resistances. For variety of base look etc, custom cosmetics is a much better solution. And if that breaks immersion, just turn it off.

Structure varieties should only be added if the offer unique benefits for the map, like Adobe for se (maybe a cold tier for lost colony) but not just for visual effect. Cosmetics already do that

[harsh spear]

but the issue i see is that different structure resistances dont provide any meaningful improvement for the game. it just makes people use the better option so there isnt any point for them to exist.

[blissful perch]

It’s about resources and potential sidegrades

So yes, adobe and stone is a good example. Ways to use more local resources so everyone isn’t competing over identical building resources, ideally with subtle differences that benefit people building with local materials

[blissful perch]

And ideally in competitive tiers, since in ASE anyway metal and tek have no sidegrades available

[untold ingot]

That's because ark these days progresses so fast thst you don't have an early game. It's a balance thing not a structural problem

[untold ingot]

If they are different enough in use so as to be worth making sure. But if it's just a side grade for looks that's definitely not worth doing

[blissful perch]

IMO a side grade on principle isn’t just “the same thing but it looks different” - it means that two things are comparable but that one may be better in situation X and the other may be better in situation Y

Ark 1 has extremely few of these, stone and adobe being one the rare instances of this

[untold ingot]

It would have to be different enough with similar cost. Adobe almost. Never gets used because it costs more than stone, and the benefits aren't that much greater

[stray elm]

It's already a thing on ASA.
Only thing is that those skins are client-sided, so raiders wont take the bait unless they somehow also have said skin installed.

[blissful perch]

Agreed costs have to be similar, else it’ll be like adobe in ark 1 (awfully underused)

[harsh spear]

partly true but even if it progressed slow majority of players will eventually end up using the best in slot anyway so the variety goes lost. especially so when u are able to transfer a character from one server to another u will keep using the best.

[harsh spear]

thats even more cringe imo. having client side skins for structures. whats the point then even. u cant even show off your style of build then.

[untold ingot]

Variety for variety sake typically isn't good

[harsh spear]

build a castle ? too bad it has a metallic look for everyone else but yourself xD

[harsh spear]

what are u even talking about ? the things already exist in the game and u wanna be able to use them

stop making up arguments just for sake of arguing

[stray elm]

The point is for yourself, not everyone else.

I'd never touch a server ever again if I was forced to see everyone's deprived and godless skins.
You can have an RGB-gamer PC skin of a base. But I don't want to see that shit on my side.

I barely like the Steamboat Willie stuff due to this.

[untold ingot]

I wish there was a limited selection, because I want to see mine but not everyone elses

[long sparrow]

you can always download cosmetics manually and disable dynamic downloads. then you choose what you see

I hope they stick with this kind of system in Ark 2. makes way more sense then different structures that serves the same purpose.
structure tiers/materials have to be different enough to matter. custom looks is for the cosmetics.
content vs skins

unless its all in one thing, like variants of stone structures lol

[blissful perch]

I understand Siggi and I are saying slightly different things. But this aversion towards wanting sidegrades, or diversity within a tier of structure, blows my mind. Imaging if you could make fungal wood structures in aberration that produced a dim layer of charge light? Or obsidian structures that took reduced damage from fire? The idea being that it’s probably crazy annoying to harvest either of these materials non-locally, but you’re encouraged to use these materials if they’re nearby - and make use of the benefit right away instead of having the exact same generic materials needs that require the exact same resources be spread everywhere across the map

Imagine ark 2’s variation in woods and stones - maybe there won’t be the same resources available everywhere and these variations can create bases with slightly different abilities that are the same tier. If they aren’t, they’re useless

If you have thatch -> cool new material -> wood -> stone -> metal? Everyone is using metal. But if metal has an alternative with a twist, now it’s interesting. Don’t need 10,000 of these for cosmetic purposes, cause that’s dumb, but even 3 or so would be a huge boon for diversity

[harsh spear]

and its annoying why u cant do wood or thatch in your builds is because any wild creature will destroy them. so at least they could change that aspect imo. no point having that weakness to pve dinos. just another reason to skip them right away.

that would make it so you could use them at least in pve. pvp would stay the same though

[stray elm]

I don't disagree. But at the same time, this is kind of what skins are for.

Mechanically, I see now real purpose of allowing these to be engrams that waste your space, when you could just apply their looks onto an existing structure for free.

I do admit, fungal wood houses would be cool.

[blissful perch]

alright so to be clear, what Siggi describes is basically skins

you do need some trash tier structures that are cheap and early level, and I don't disagree

but for the system I describe, which is a small number of material variations at higher tiers, you have to also assume that the ark 1 engram UI (TEN YEARS OLD) would not be the standard for a system like this, since yes that's an insane amount of clutter on an already cluttered system

and it would be a small number of choices based on some local material/benefit types. Otherwise, just make it a skin

[stray elm]

I don't expect it to be that different.
Storepage describes them now as "knowledge points" and gettin those from doing specific stuff. But I think mechanically it'll just be the same.

[blissful perch]

the UI and the mechanics are not identical

[stray elm]

I imagine the ATLAS knowledge trees, but you need to do random world events/tasks to gain these points instead of leveling up.

[blissful perch]

and the UI is extremely clunky

[stray elm]

Oh, you meant just the UI

[blissful perch]

yea, since that seems to be the primary complaint

which is valid given how bloated ark 1's engram UI is

[stray elm]

I don't know, still seems a bit excessive.
Maaaaaaaybe if they had it akin to Terraria where you just learn how to make a wooden structure, and if you right click on it, it'll show you all possible sub-types of wooden structures that you can click on and change the appearance/recipe.

But by the end of the day, I think it'd be easier for both users and the devs just to make them skins. If they don't mechanically act any different.

[blissful perch]

they ARE mechanically different in my model

just not flat upgrades

in siggi's model, yes it's just skins

[stray elm]

Aren't you suggesting stuff like natural lights for the fungal wood?

[blissful perch]

yes, so something distinct from normal materials

but it's the same(ish) structure hp and tier of unlock

unlike say, wood to stone, which radically changes resistences and hp values, the gap between say fungal wood and wood is very small but there's a seconary ability for fungal wood

[blissful perch]

I doubt they have the staff to handle all claims

[mellow crag]

Maybe fix the game? Ah, sorry, to much to ask

[blissful perch]

Which again, is why I’d love to see them drop officials for ark 2 if they can’t reliably support their players (and it would save money that can be used for development to fix the game)

[mellow crag]

Hire me, I have so much time, nah, claim unable to support and hire nobody

[blissful perch]

I’d rather they use the money on fixing the game and making new content

Personal preference ofc

[mellow crag]

But they create pay to win content constant

[blissful perch]

Well I won’t defend the p2w in Asa. I can pray it doesn’t show up in ark 2 tho

[wicked jungle]

Dune awakening might be the best survival game since ark

Wrong chat

[harsh spear]

what i described arent just skins. skins are clientsided, so your build will only look cool for yourself. that sucks big time when u wanna build something cool on a pve server.
also, skins still force the meta structures. u skip wood and thatch builds and go to stone right away. so dont compare them. skins in the way they are implemented are a really bad way to allow for variety. thats literally like having custom league skins installed rather than actual skins. gamers want to show off what theyve done. and skins can have all kinds of stupid non-immersive designs so theyre not nearly the same as having the already existing structures be actually useful. and i agree there should be some differences for each material but having that will in itself force a meta where youll only use the best.

as i said before though, removing pve damage to structures would fix the main problem why theyre useless for pve.
on the pvp side, resistance is the other factor. but how much of a benefit does resistance actually provide for the game ? raiding is always the same. soaking and then using explosives. less resistance gives weakpoints that raiders could potetnailly abuse. so u just use the best for the sake of it but it doesnt actually provide any meaningful benefit for the game unless u look at the upgrade process. but as i stated before, u could still make a system where u can upgrade without having it to be to a different material.

the other factors still remain like having stone be better in colder areas of the map but thatch or wood be better in hot areas.

[long sparrow]

I don't disagree, if its different to be different make it a skin. if it functions differently it can be its own thing, they just need to be different enough and close enough resource wise. like obisidan being resistant to fire isn't any better then stone despite being harder to get.

[long sparrow]

dynamic downloads makes it so if others want to see them, they'll see them.
if they aren't different enough to make both fit whatever meta is there, it won't be any different to the ones we have now and that just leads to different to be different. 🤷

on the PvE side, tiers don't matter unless they regularly get attacked.
PvP will only ever use the top tier (or 2 if they have some equivalent of tek where its something unlocked different and requires "boss" resources)
(example) you can't expect them to use metal if tek was as easy to get. makes no sense.

maybe the aratai will change that with raids or something (PvE side)

[harsh spear]

i guess u havent played much pve then. tiers matter a lot. alpha raptor 1 shots thatch and wood very fast. tiers matter. hence why everyone builds stone

[long sparrow]

I have never been attacked by an alpha lol. depends where you build

[harsh spear]

if u have a massive build like a castle, u dont want some random fight that can occur to decay ur build resistance. makes holes overtime that u have to repair. gets very tedious

and in case a hole occurs, ur other things are open for attacks

[long sparrow]

I mean yeah, but thats what I said, "unless they regularly get attacked"

what kind of PvE are you playing where you get attacked that often lol.

feel like you should get turrets if it happens that much

[harsh spear]

it happens often when a wild creature chases another wild creature into the wall of your base

then attacks it and thereby ur base

[long sparrow]

turrets would also fix that just saying

[harsh spear]

or building stone directly hence why everyone does it

[long sparrow]

depending where you live. planty of spots can be built with anything since nothing is there.

it matters a lot less in PvE then PvP. especially if you know what you are doing and where you choose to live.
side tiers only work if they have a difference thats worth the resource cost. adobe barely fits that.
something like fungai wood on aberration would work since its the same rarity as normal wood.
but if its obsidian thats so situational that unless you directly live on it, it'd never be used.

[harsh spear]

there arent many. only certain cliffs. and it would still leave u open to get griefed in pve if a player decides to pull a creature into your thatch

[long sparrow]

yeah, I'm not counting PvE griefing. that effects any tier especially with alphas existance.

there is a reason corrupteds don't deal any structure damage on PvE anymore

[harsh spear]

u cant pull alphas though. they thought about this cuz alphas will perma change aggro

[long sparrow]

how does that work? if it perm changes aggro then you could just have it do that then kill it with 0 issues.

I play a private so never tried to drag an alpha anywhere.

if you count griefing then you aren't talking about just PvE, its just indirect PvP.

[harsh spear]

alphas decision making is particularly designed so u cant pull it. it will randomly aggro something else or run away. and in a cycle that u cant really predict or influence in your will.

[blissful perch]

Fair, though in that theoretical model obsidian would be more common (think a volcanic area akin to genesis 1) since yea ark 1 it’s too rare

[loud star]

Case #53020 @clear salmon has been muted for 2 hours.
Reason: Mass Tagging

[stray elm]

An obsidian base honestly would be...kind of dogshit IRL.

[blissful perch]

Its an example

[stray elm]

"Man, I spent hours collect so much obsidian, thankfully I made it all into structures for my base"
-random ass rex rolls up and shatters their literal glass hous.

[blissful perch]

Hey that happens with crystal (greenhouse) materials

And also that Rex just got stabbed by thousands of shards, so get bent homewrecker 😂

[untold ingot]

Worst part about it would be needing to replace your shoes every two days because obsidian is a literal cheese grater in small scale

[stray elm]

Just wear flak boots

[untold ingot]

It'll even wear down metal over time

[blissful perch]

Free flak boot shining

[mint swan]

Ark 2 Meeka boss fight

[loud star]

Case #53031 @stark token has been muted for 2 hours.
Reason: Mass Tagging

[sour thicket]

Hello.Does anyone know when Ark 2 will release?And how much time after that we will be able to create unofficial servers?Also is there any information about its price?(・.・;)

[blissful perch]

All known info is in the pins. The short answer is “don’t know” to all those questions

[sour thicket]

Thanks

[cobalt zenith]

ark 2 rename plz -bug ark 2

[fallow niche]

Ark 2 isn't even out yet, so it can't have bugs.

[dawn vector]

We got real life dire wolves before we got ARK 2.

(Don’t kill me, seen this joke said about GTA 6, thought it’d be funny [and more meaningful since our game HAS dire wolves in it] here too). Lol 😝.

[blissful perch]

Tbh I have to applaud. Original and vastly superior to the GTA6 slop 👏🏻 👏🏻

[split dove]

this one was a needle in a haystack

[winged dome]

Actual quality content compared to the mindless echo-chamber dribble

[proven pewter]

But it’s not original o_O

He said it wasn’t lol

[blissful perch]

I don’t see that claim

[proven pewter]

“Seen this joke about gta 6”

[blissful perch]

Yea, and I said his joke was original compared to the gta 6 ones

[glass moth]

hey idk if devs or anyone will actually see this, but i hope yall are doin well. i bet this shit is tough and stressful and your parent company doesnt make it any easier. alot of people, myself included, talk trash and criticize things, but i hope yall are doin good. i really wanna see ark 2 come to life in the best state possible. I know yall just wanna make the game the best it can be

[sullen timber]

Can't wait to see Ark 2. I wonder how different or how much more difficult it'll be compared ASE and ASA. lol

[fallow niche]

The main differences being 3rd person only and souls like combat might give a challenge

[true viper]

Imagine something like Conan but a little bit more free flowing and modern

That's my head canon anyway. As for how the Dinos and other fauna will control, who knows really.

[tribal chasm]

Someone here mentioned Green Hell a while back, I wonder if this game was inspiration for the Aratai

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[pearl tangle]

true

[clever osprey]

We will get GTA 6 before ark 2.

[gritty sorrel]

Wanna bet even after GTA 7?

[clever osprey]

Ark 2 is the friends we made along the way.

[gritty sorrel]

True

[mint swan]

I think ark 2 is coming tomorrow guys! I paid a mod 5000 on a PayPal with an encrypted name then he blocked me, but he said if I sent him the money ark 3 would be out soon too!

[lofty sapphire]

Gave up on it really could not care at this point o got to old waiting lol

[vestal prairie]

Ark 2 has officially been delayed till 2030 conversation closed 🔐

[true fern]

lol

[hot onyx]

I want to witness the mixture of survival and souls in a game, just cus yeah

[untold ingot]

Conam exiled, the mask something or other, etc

[stray elm]

"Conam exiled" sounds like a bad parody game. 🐟

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[loud star]

Case #53103 @mint swan has been muted for 2 hours.
Reason: Mass Tagging

[digital peak]

Feel like it’s gonna be pushed back till 2028

[serene onyx]

Who knows

[shell lintel]

It'll be awesome either way, might have to get bug spray though.. lol

[digital peak]

Yeah true

[mint swan]

Do we think that this is actually going to happen because nothing will make me happier than it actually happening

[polar hearth]

this channel should just be removed nothing been said about "Ark 2" in a very long time. 0 Updates on it and what current state its in.

[untold ingot]

It was mentioned that it's still in active development like 3 weeks ago

[shell lintel]

Lol, since they are taking a significant amount of time, it might not be too bad

[digital peak]

Yeah, the graphic better be insane

[shell lintel]

I am so going to need a PC upgrade

[thick moat]

TBH it's prob just gonna be asa requirements, maybe a bit more

[long sparrow]

it won't be much higher then ASA.

unless they force settings, just doesn't make sense
also it still has to support consoles soo

[shell lintel]

I have to turn everything to low to get 50+ fps

[thick moat]

without frame generation I assume?

[shell lintel]

On, I had it off, but it's on now

[violet sluice]

I hope the AI is good…..if it ever comes out

[south parcel]

Hi everyone, I don't understand what their problem is. If the problem is money, then why aren't they raising funds through crowdfunding? Or looking for investors? In the end, it will all pay off because the game is a bomb

[stray elm]

A: most larger studios don't tend to do crowdfunding, especially ones with investors.
B: They do have investors, as Snail is on the stock market. Hard to gain interest though when your CEO blows almost the entire companies budget on a shitty car investment that crumbled. Taking the money with it.

[vocal laurel]

Ark 2 better be fun because I waited years for this

[hollow loom]

All the hating on Ark 2, but I’m still remaining hopeful knowing that it’ll still be awesome

[tranquil niche]

Ark 2 is looking at a 2050 Release 😂 its going to take them 20 years to "fix" the bugs in ASA and release everything again then 5 years to release another broken game

[unique birch]

ARK 2 is not real. It was just a dodo propaganda project

[shell lintel]

Even if no better than ASE, it will be awesome!

[full kiln]

What is the release date changed to now

Or have they given up on setting dates

[long sparrow]

I don't think they've given a date. but it would be next year or later.

[stray elm]

Pretty safe to say late 2026 at the MINIMAL.

That's if every delay for ASA doesn't pump up Gen2 to early/mid 2027.

Actually, scratch what I said.
Safest bet is just "sometime after Gen2 rereleases"
Whenever that is.

[untold swift]

You actually gotta be braindead to have any hope for this game being released in a playable state

[abstract birch]

2077 is Ark2 release

[solid dirge]

actually tho, being for real, do we have any word or update or anything.

[stray elm]

To the game itself? No
To any lore stuff? Yes.

[sterile knot]

Yep last content/reference update was lost colony animation trailer with Helena back in her original body. Seems like everybody forgot about that counting as ark 2 lore.

[harsh warren]

sponsored by vin diesel

[patent glen]

let's hope for a better character customization..they all still have the same face 😬😁

[worldly garden]

This is the Ark 2 channel, the game doesn't exist yet.

[rocky plover]

they said Ark II would be released in 2023... look what year we are...

[plain orchid]

"Soon?"

[shrewd flame]

Think they release while still releasing asa content ?

[dusk venture]

HI

[hollow robin]

It’ll release soon, trust. sarcasm

[spark copper]

Can we get PVE small tribes for Ark 2?

[blissful perch]

What would that do?

Not entirely sure what the point of limited tribe sizes in PvE would be

[prisma cosmos]

😂

[compact harbor]

GTA 7 will drop before this landfill waste fire of a game

[fresh wagon]

“Waste fire of a game” says the guy on the official Ark discord on the Ark 2 channel 😂😂

[compact harbor]

Correct offical ark. not this dog vomit of a game ARK 2.

[muted bronze]

is it just me or is ark 2 gonna be like minecraft movie it was either gonna be ass or good

[true viper]

I don't think the two are comparable on that level. I would like to think that it will be good, but we do need to see proper gameplay of Ark 2 to make a more reasonable judgement.

So far as art and mechanics, I think Ark 2 is going in a positive direction in terms of the ideation of what the game could be.

[jovial gazelle]

Yo let me get early access I’ll help test what yall got so far

[hot shale]

أ

[feral owl]

Ark 2 coming in 2077

[wooden spade]

😂😂😂no in 200001480653 years

[charred pond]

no dummy its comming in 209999

[polar steppe]

bob

[slow sage]

vin diesel

[hollow loom]

GTA6 before Ark 2 💔

[vapid flame]

ts pmo 💔🥀

[feral cloak]

Guys ARK II coming summer 2023r. Is so close I can't wait 💀💀💀

[elder cargo]

It’s 2025 lil bro

[slow sage]

ark 2028 my prediction

ark 2*

[bright cave]

Still no ark 2

[fiery dagger]

😂 GTA FTW

[graceful canyon]

Hello, I wanted to report that I have a problem, I play from Steam and in ASA when I get an existing update or sometimes they put a download that doesn't exist (weighs 300 MB or less) once it downloads what it asks for the game starts to reinstall from 0. I have been talking to Steam for months and they have not given me a solution, I have tried everything they told me and yet the problem persists, can someone help me enjoy the game? This problem happens to me at least once a week or in days and downloading 200 GB that temporarily weighs 400 GB on the disk, is a big problem...

[untold ingot]

That's for Asa, not Ark2. The proper channel is #bobs-with-probs for help

[burnt python]

I’ve heard that ark 2 coming

Ark 2 #2125

[feral owl]

Nah that was a dyslexic person it's 2521 and it will be only 10% complete on release

[burnt python]

😂😂😂😂

[maiden belfry]

WC meant to say 2032 for Ark II

[safe moon]

Hello

[rough nexus]

Hi

[untold ingot]

Make a post in #1110925695900713072 either way your server isn't ark2 so it shouldn't be here

[tranquil plover]

Nobody is buying ark 2, asa is dead

[rotund thistle]

ark 2 WILL be the biggest game. on EVERYBODIES life.

[stray elm]

There's more unironic chances that Half-Life 3 will release before ARK-2.

[true viper]

How do we tell him

[stray elm]

🐟

[stray elm]

Just saying.
HLX has more official leaked coding and information then anything definitive for ARK-2.

And apparently recently a few official Valve employees, like the sound director/composer for Alyx either have hinted, or accidently fucked up in saying stuff.
The new era of Half-Life 3 cope is upon us.

[true viper]

Na, there was a comment saying that people would buy Ark 2 if Wildcard made the game

It's been deleted since then

[stray elm]

If Wildcard made HL3?

Or actually published ARK-2

[true viper]

There would probably be outrage if anyone but Valve made HL3

[true viper]

Slow down there pal

[true viper]

Look at Marathon atm

[stray elm]

Oooh, I see what you're saying.
They where saying "people would be an ARK-2 if Wildcard made it" without them knowing that's already a project.

[stray elm]

Isn't that being made by Bungie?
Given, basically no one from that era of Bungie.

Because like most AAA studios. There's basically no one from the original inception of their studios at them anymore.
Bioware before it got shut down-

[stray elm]

Given, even the concept of the new Marathon looks nothing like the old series.
Looks more like an extraction shooter then basically prototype Halo with DOOM-like graphics.

[tribal chasm]

I want the raiding/pvp scene to be more epic again -
a tribe building a full tek / fortnite style fob should be a rare sight, that implies the attacking tribe is serious. Instead of this 'every bob and his mother' throwing one down, even for a random rathole.

It was a progression in the early days of Ark:

1. Big tribe walking dinos across map, logistics required and it was intimidating to see.
2. A tribe actually placing down a large fob / turrets, meant they were not messing around.
3. Using tames + saddles that required effort to obtain etc...

Ark 2 should be more like that again for the pvp / raiding scene.

Games that have some slight risk-reward, or make you nervous-shake at times are GOOD.

[digital ivy]

Yeah but they’ve spoiled their community with cryo pods and just using batteries in turrets to set up fobs and if they remove em again everyone is going to lose their shit bc the cryos already been around for long enough to the point where people will stop playing just bc they have to walk a Dino they tamed on other side of the map back to base

[stray elm]

Would be really funny if they just abandoned PvP.

[tranquil plover]

Nah

[shrewd ridge]

Based on the very very first announcement of the game, should ark 2 already be out by now ?

[raw meadow]

Howd you get that unicorn behind your name 😱 🦄

So cute

[mint swan]

nuh

[rotund thistle]

too late. im manifesting it

[forest swallow]

lets be honest, this is never happening T.T

[cerulean scaffold]

Where is ark 2

[loud star]

Case #53193 @limpid maple has been muted for 2 hours.
Reason: Mass Tagging

[mint swan]

in my basement somewhere

[loud star]

Case #53197 @ancient tangle has been muted for 2 hours.
Reason: Mass Tagging

[loud star]

Case #53198 @limpid maple has been muted for 2 hours.
Reason: Mass Tagging

[unkempt grail]

Who still assumes that Wildcard will make the Valve move in ARK2? Valve has simply turned CS:Go into Counterstrike 2. I could imagine the same for ARK:ASA. Lost Colony will bring a few changes to the game. That will turn ASA into a new game - compared to ASE. So it would be logical to switch to ARK 2 in terms of naming.

ARK2 is supposed to be more of a Souls-like game anyway - so apart from the story, it has nothing to do with ARK SE/SA - not a successor in that sense. A different name would therefore be more appropriate. What do you think?

[blissful perch]

I think that’s silly, because ark 2 is of course a successor to ark 1. Ark’s theme is survival taming in a science fiction setting, and Ark 2 sure does that

It’ll have new mechanics and gameplay features, but the fundamental core is the same as ark 1. Because Ark is a sandbox however, a sequel can’t just be “new maps”, so it makes sense the sequel would be a significant leap forward in other areas

[shrewd flame]

Don’t give them ideas!

[worldly garden]

People keep claiming Ark 2 will be a Souls-Like game 🤣 It won't.

They said souls-like combat, not souls-like game. Combat just means rolls, dodges, etc. Nothing else is expected to be like a souls game.

One of the points of making ASA was to fund Ark 2, so that wouldn't make sense.

[half shard]

whens relesae

[stray elm]

Not confirmed, but likely after Gen2 gets rereleased.

[half shard]

kool

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[amber granite]

fortnite

[loud escarp]

i still waiting for Ark2

[craggy moon]

hello

does any one wanna play some ark with me randomly

[true viper]

Only if you PayPal me first

[tacit canopy]

when?

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[peak zephyr]

Is Ark 2 in the same room with us

[ripe heath]

Wait there a ark 2 channel

[true viper]

Before the beginning of time in fact

[rotund walrus]

Ark 2 ... ark evolved into half ascended isn't even finished still got day 1 bugs and same glitches sad really 😢

[long haven]

When will the ark 2 release

[vapid siren]

Never

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[frigid depot]

I feel scammed because I bought ASA thinking it was Ark 2, when it first dropped nowhere did it say that it was a remake, consider my thought process when i loaded up the new world excited to see all the new places and it was just The Island again...

[stray elm]

-Storepage and the trailer on the official ARK channel: "Respawn into a new dinosaur survival experience beyond your wildest dreams… as ARK is reimagined from the ground-up into the next-generation of videogame technology with Unreal Engine 5! "

-ARK 2's storepage: "Suddenly awakened on a strange primal world filled with dinosaurs and humans struggling for dominance; you must piece together the history of how you arrived there, team-up with legendary heroes, and confront powerful dark forces seeking to control the fate of all life. Saddle up, and join the definitive next-generation survival experience with ARK 2!

Every aspect of the ARK series has been rethought and redesigned in this sequel. Here's a sampling of the new features that ARK 2 will contain upon its initial Early Access release:"

There's been a dedicated ARK 2 storepage for five years now, my man.

[frigid depot]

not on ps5 thats where i got it, and the page was super bare bones when ascended dropped

now its kinda obvious

[stray elm]

It says the exact same thing on the PlayStation storepage.

[frigid depot]

but as someone who wasnt following this super tightly, ASA absolutely looked like ark 2

[stray elm]

-PlayStation storepage: "Respawn into a new dinosaur survival experience beyond your wildest dreams… as ARK is reimagined from the ground-up into the next-generation of videogame technology with Unreal Engine 5! You awake on a mysterious island, your senses overwhelmed by the blinding sunlight and brilliant colors bouncing off every surface around you, the azure waters of a verdant Island lapping at your bare feet. A deep roar echoes from the misty jungle, jolting you into action, and you stand up – not afraid, but intrigued. Are you ready to form a tribe, tame and breed hundreds of species of dinosaurs and other primeval creatures, explore, craft, build, and fight your way to the top of the food-chain? Your new world awaits… step through the looking-glass and join it!"

[frigid depot]

when ascended dropped

[stray elm]

They haven't changed the storepages since.

[frigid depot]

All it says is reimagined

as someone who doesnt follow ark super tightly when it first dropped and no other content but the island was out, i bought this quickly thinking it was ark 2

which is a valid thought process, its not like Ark was in need of a remake anyways so that wasnt even in my head

[stray elm]

A glance at the storepages description would've proven otherwise, but sure.

[frigid depot]

Im not up to date with Ark i would not have known they were doing a remake, they did not explicitly say anywhere that this is ALL remade content

Go to something like gta trilogy

its very clear about what it is

Snail games is not above having a vague description

[true viper]

FirstTime.GIF

[frigid depot]

my mindset when i saw the game on the storepage was OH ARK 2 Finally dropped! i saw the launch trailer, it didnt say anything about being a remake, so i bought it and was then unfortunate to find out that its a remake

[blissful perch]

I’m sorry you feel scammed but unfortunately that’s on you for not doing a fairly cursory look into the game

Especially since ark 2 has its own Steam store page in most countries and comes up as a different game with different characters etc.

[frigid depot]

ur a nerd

[worldly garden]

It's been known for years ARK 2 is NOT coming to PlayStation at launch. It's an Xbox console launch exclusive.

[frigid depot]

Can anybody read that i was not actively following ark, for years

[wanton pike]

I thought Ark 2 was going to release a year later on PlayStation

[worldly garden]

PlayStation has never been mentioned officially at all.

[blissful perch]

I promise I did. But to be a responsible consumer, even if you’re coming back to an old game, is to confirm what it is you’re buying

Now I wouldn’t fault you for being upset if you opened asa and got jump scared by all the paid microtransaction style content, but that’s not the issue at hand here 😅

[tender crown]

can you actually read the description and the name of the game next time? it says nowhere that asa is ark 2 dont get mad at use u didnt use ur brain nerd

[cosmic lava]

are you still avaible?

[untold ingot]

Still. Buying something without researching it is a bit insane

[frigid depot]

Yall are thinking from your own experienced perspectives. I was absent from the ark scene since scorched earth dropped in ASE. Ark 2 was supposed to be out by now so as a casual player, scrolling the ps5 store and i see ASA near when it first launched , i think OH this must be Ark 2 the game that was supposed to release like 5 years ago. i only saw the launch trailer for asa which didnt really say anything abt being a remake, now sure i couldve been more thorough on my investigation but I already knew I liked Ark so i had no issue buying the game. All i’m saying is i felt mislead to play the game and see the Island again. Its not like the launch trailer or even the description tells you that the game you are playing is literally just Ark but in Unreal5. It’s absolutely without a shadow of a doubt is purposely a little vague in the trailer/description

[blissful perch]

You didn’t think “weird name choice for a sequel”?

[frigid depot]

You cant tell me that it doesnt sound like a sequel name…

[loud kayak]

well surely you realised in time so your able to refund

[blissful perch]

You have the awesome power of the internet to simply google before you took your wallet out I guess is my point

[frigid depot]

Well yeah and im somewhat enjoying my time with asa i just think they couldve been a little more clear

Dude yall are incapable of thinking in someone elses shoes, why would i use google if my understanding was that it wasnt a remake, that idea what literally non-existent to me

[blissful perch]

Even if a game says “Ark 2” I always google to see if it’s any good

[frigid depot]

I dont like looking at other peoples reviews I experience games for myself

[blissful perch]

I look at reviews that talk about the game to inform myself, not to spoil myself

“Game runs at 10fps” isn’t a spoiler imo

[frigid depot]

Thats fair, i was blinded by the excitement of a new Ark game and just went for it

It didnt occur that they would be remaking ase

[blissful perch]

Which is fine, but idk if it’s WC’s fault

[frigid depot]

Im not saying it was anybodys fault i was literally just tryna say i felt mislead or low key scammed because it wasnt super clear, which is still my opinion i truly think its unclear so that those who arent in the know would buy it assumingely. This company is not above doing shady shit like that to make a little extra money. Now its easy to see thats its a remake, many dlcs have released. Although ive enjoyed my time with asa, I’ll definitely be waiting for ark 2, which will be out next millennia

[blissful perch]

“I felt misled or low key scammed” implies you’re blaming WC for the way they posted Asa on the ps store. Am I misunderstanding?

[frigid depot]

No it was definitely on me, but i think they chose to have a description like tht fs

[blissful perch]

Idk, I think it’s certainly possible to get confused…but the images on steam at least show all the ark 1 maps and gameplay in a pretty clear fashion

[frigid depot]

I was an extremely casual ark player, just a kid when i played. I kinda recognized the redwoods but i thought it was a new redwoods on an ark2 map, i didnt realize these were old locations til i spawned on the island

The caves and ruins i just dont remember at all

Well I remember the caves but they looked completely different

[untold ingot]

My own life experience tells me thst blindly buying things without ensuring it is what I am buying is a dumb idea. That goes for games, groceries and grapes

[frigid depot]

It wasnt a blind purchase, saw a new Ark game which i was excited for and the description/trailer didnt say anything abt being old content

[true viper]

Why are you making the reckless spending of your own money someone else's fault?

[frigid depot]

Holy shit people are incapable of reading

Its nobodys fault but mine

[loud kayak]

just refund it

[untold ingot]

"The definitive survival experience returns better than ever" from the Playstation page. There are at least a dozen similar statements. They were not hiding that it's the same game

[runic maple]

Hola

[blissful perch]

Yea I guess the reason people are telling you this is because you’re making it sound like wc let you astray

Which I think you’re just saying it’s unfortunate that Asa, a cool name for an ark sequel, wound up being Ark 1 remastered

[true viper]

So anyway, thas souls like combat am I right?

[untold ingot]

As long as it's not atlas style souls combat, 🤣

[blissful perch]

If I can’t make a single comparison to atlas I’ll be happy

[tiny glade]

Ark 2 is a myth

[charred pond]

Ark 2 will come 50 years after gta 6 ❎
Ark 2 will come 5000000 Years after gta 6 ☑️

[tawdry wave]

On an interesting note, apparently GTA 6 is launching in fall of this year according to google

[onyx sun]

yo gays what the deal with the fauking sky lord artefact when I want put tp on it the fps 1

@regal spear

[untold ingot]

According to Google or according to bots posting on Google?

[tawdry wave]

Google

[untold ingot]

That would be wierd if Google cared about it

[tawdry wave]

Look at the video game overview, n why is that?

[whole sinew]

what's taking em so long

they decided to make a trailer for the game, before its release for literally 5+ years

[winged dome]

Gestures broadly to ASA - what the loud minority of players asked for

[untold ingot]

They were planning on a 2022. So the trailer was for that 🤣

[whole sinew]

🤣 😂

[true viper]

Now I am become the hog consumer of slop

(Not a dig a dig at WC for making ASA)

[minor creek]

Bị hack bắn song văng game vào lại ăn khóa tài khoản luôn

Nhà làm game không biết làm ăn kiểu gì

[bitter saddle]

what're the chances this game comes out

[untold ingot]

Believe it or not, pretty high

[worldly garden]

Yeah chances are high that it comes out.

[covert lava]

It will release 2042

[next frigate]

Nooooooooo

[plain orchid]

Soon?

[true viper]

Late 2026 if not 2027

We’ll know more after Lost Colony comes out I think