ark-2

[fathom peak]

My PC is not up to date but I have no problems playing ASA. I have the settings on high for ASA and I get an average of 45-60 FPS. So I assume that I can play ARK 2 with my PC. I suspect that some people just play on EPIC and at 4K. That's just a guess on my part.

[bright silo]

I do wonder if the weaker of the 2 xboxs are holding back development in some way

[fallow niche]

@livid panther #bobs-with-probs. This is for Ark 2 only.

[livid panther]

like ASA

[fallow niche]

#bobs-with-probs. Ascended is not Ark 2.

[worldly garden]

Surprises me how many people think ASA is Ark 2. 🤣 I mean ask yourself where is Vin Diesel?

Plus the fact ASA is the present, not the future.

[indigo glade]

ASA basically is Ark 2. 30000 people still play ASE, only 20000 play ASA right now two weeks after a major fan favorite map launch. So yeah when like five people decide they're willing to start over again for basically the same product I imagine they're going to think twice about shutting down the previous product this time. And that's if it even does launch while ark is still relevant.

[fallow niche]

It's more just Ark 1.5 . Ark 2 is wholly different, just looking in the pins or at the store page will show you that..

[true viper]

I frankly do not understand how anyone could come to that conclusion

[indigo glade]

Statistics.

[true viper]

That doesn't turn one game into another

[indigo glade]

Oh I don't doubt that there will be an ark 2. I just highly doubt how relevant it's going to be considering ASA isn't even played more than the first game is a year and a bit in. To the point where I could see them continuing official services for ASA instead of losing the players this time.

[fallow niche]

That still does not turn it into Ark 2.

[solemn sonnet]

On xbox all Asa servers are empty there's only a few with 20 players

Ark2 better be optimized to make the game playable on consoles

[true viper]

It's probably going to be very relevant because it's more well thought on paper compared to both versions of Ark we currently have.

[indigo glade]

I hope so I am rooting for them and don't understand why people don't play ASA. Gotta say though to me this already feels a lot like a second game and it's going to be hard to want to switch to something new again after putting the time in. But if it's cool enough I'm sure it'll happen.

[true viper]

There is a content gap in ASA compared to ASE, and frankly I think a lot of people are tired of more of the same.

BTT aside, ASA to me feels like the last of what can be done with the ASE/A formula

[indigo glade]

I'm loving BTT to be honest. It makes the game feel really new. The new tames make me play the game so differently. Plus the new map is going to be a fresh experience. But ya I feel you, probably a lot of people could be just waiting for ark 2 after so many hours in ASE instead of doing it all again in ASA.

[true viper]

Yeah, cause the way I see things is that what all is promised and thought to be coming to Ark II is what should be in Ark to begin with.

Instead of going back and fixing problems with existing things like underdeveloped dinos, WC releases a new one. I understand why they can't do an Isle like Evrima overhaul, but from a players perspective, it makes the game stale after awhile.

My friend Depths is doing good work to correct what he can with the paleo-ark mod

[summer crest]

How is there only 20,000 people playing ASA when you look at the Bob's DLC alone on Playstation and there's around 1.5 million people that have downloaded that DLC alone?

[granite laurel]

is ark2 already out? Looks like they've been doing it for 3 years now.

[worldly garden]

The thing about judging how popular Ark 2 will be by comparing the player numbers between ASA and ASE is that it's not going to give any kind of accurate indication. The thing about ASA is that the majority of it (i.e. content wise) is what people have played for the past 9-10 years. Ark 2 will be very different and brand new content entirely.

Even with Wildcards track record for releases and issues it is more likely a brand new game would interest people more than a rehash of the last 10 years content. People seem to forget there are gamers out there that could very well be interested in the type of game Ark 2 will be even if they never played Ark 1.

[untold ingot]

There are a lot of people who would play Ark1 but only don't because of how intractable the game is on single player

What?

It's not unsolvable. It's buggy and not very user friendly

[versed ether]

Who plays ark on single player..

[worldly garden]

a large number of people do.

[untold ingot]

Probably a million people tbh

[solemn sonnet]

Right, pve and pvp must be a mess with all those bases everywhere. Fps gotta be tanking

Still single player on consoles still 30fps and the performance is horrible is hard to play. Hopefully ark2 delivers a somewhat smooth experience

[true viper]

I would like to think it would, but depending on what version of UE5 they’re working with or upgrading to when each new version comes out might cause problems.

UE 5.5 isn’t the most stable build at the moment.

[clear shell]

imo asa is just a beta for ark 2, once they manage to have a smooth asa we will start seeing ark 2 stuff

[true viper]

There is an aspect to ASA that is a test bed for Ark II. I think the battle rigs and Armadoggo are indicative of what me could expect to see in Ark II to a degree.

[true viper]

What I’m most curious in when it comes to the Dino’s is how they’ll move.

IMO, more Dino’s should have movement toggles like Dread and Amarga and be capable of turning in place, strafing etc. makes the creatures a lot more enjoyable to operate

[jade nimbus]

I also would love them to actually feel alive instead of being a death shell that just walks around doing nothing. There could maybe be packs and nesting grounds and the dinos could eat and sleep.

[solemn sonnet]

Right! We just have to wait and hope for the best

[elder olive]

I hope the dinos are more alive. Dinos are too stiff. Hope it actually feels like your riding a dino like yelling commands. Like on your horse in rdr2. Actually having a unmounting animation instead of throwing you off

[frail dagger]

That sounds cool but knowing wildcard they'll probably won't do that, they may make us bond with a dinosaur of some kind

[light pendant]

Im convinced this is a myth

[errant wedge]

Also when is this launching after all these years???

[true viper]

No idea, presumably it's releasing sometime after Gen II re-releases

[wanton sandal]

It say the future above ark 2 but we all know that future will never come

[sturdy berry]

hello

[swift hinge]

Hoping for a update tomorrow for Community Crunch

[true viper]

It would be nice

[sturdy echo]

ark 2 is the friends we made along the way

[zenith rampart]

When is ark 2 coming out

[distant pendant]

It’s not

[frail dagger]

Ngl feels like I'll be 30 before I see a new update on it, And I graduated 2024

[errant wedge]

Hell nah

[winged dome]

Anyone else feel themselves crumbling to dust... or just me?

[mint swan]

ark 2 is out in 2025 august 14th 7pm utc

[vagrant crystal]

🙏 Give us ark 2 Already

[rotund mountain]

any news yet?

[proper goblet]

Watch ark 2 release late 2026

[solemn sonnet]

We know

[mortal elm]

they should add six obselisks

double everything

[mint swan]

they should add 5 of when they because of the did it

[worldly garden]

Couldn't agree more!

[mint swan]

for the when they did it its so like didnt even yaknow

[worldly garden]

absolutely

[mint swan]

Greetings there sir it appears you didn't answer the question properly, are you sure you were paying attenetion?

[worldly garden]

I had no idea you were asking a question 🤣

[mint swan]

neither i was saying random words 😎 🤷‍♂️

[worldly garden]

I had wondered 🤣

[tiny dove]

1

[solemn sonnet]

Community crunch maybe

[worldly garden]

Why would they mention Ark 2 in today's crunch? Because 2024 is gone? I wouldn't be expecting it to be mentioned for a while.

[blissful perch]

^zero reason to expect ark 2 news out of the blue

[tribal chasm]

Well for like the first time in a while, they've got a new threat/competition for this genre
Ie most of the players are playing Rust or Ark, but with Jagex making a Runescape Survival game, could be a 3rd player.

I am sure they are are aware of this, but it's like - for the first time, an actual threat to their profits for Ark 2 aside from GTA6 xD
Edit: I don't mean GTA6 is a 'direct competitor' to Ark, I just meant every dev is trying to avoid launching their game near it.

[untold ingot]

Gta is not a competitor to ark lol

[hasty solstice]

Not going to see Ark 2 before every map is out for ASA and they will be delayed at least 1 time each so it will take time, same amount of maps to release this year as 2024 had, so it will not be before late 2026 or 2027 at best

[sturdy echo]

minecraft 2 before ark 2

[hasty solstice]

Elder Scrolls 6 before ark 2

[worldly garden]

Not sure why so many people think all ASA maps need to be out before Ark 2. It's possible all story maps maybe but ASA doesn't need to be finished entirely before Ark 2 releases because both games are meant to run alongside each other.

[hasty solstice]

Most logical finish asa maps before they focus on ark 2, before they get patch fixes and other things alongside each other

[elder olive]

That's what i thought too. Why does everymap need to come out. Everyone knows it because of ase

[blissful perch]

The new dlc imo will prolly need to be mostly done or complete before we see ark 2 so the bulk of the team can swap games, but much of the old maps/content seems well designed to be run by a small crew

[stray elm]

I'd argue it all depends on whether Wildcard wants a second paid expansion or not after Lost Colonies. And the placement of that one may determine when they want to release ARK-2.
It also depends if Wildcard wants to reride any hype with rereleasing Gen2 with the ARK-2 end credits to help with a small portion of the marketing.
Third and lastly, also depends how dedicated they are in releasing content in order.
Seems like currently Lost Colonies is what they're working on, which is a map set between Extinction and Gen1.
They may want to do this throughout the entire story maps of ASA to allow their developers to hone their skills even more for ARK-2. As a lot of Bob's Tall Tales new mechanics are reminiscent of different mechanics ARK-2 wants to have. So they may be wanting to hone in just a bit more with Bob's True Tales, and any of the paid story maps.

[true viper]

LC-Gen1-Gen2-Ark 2

Going based on a linear timeline, that’s the release order

Kind of like how 1 comes before 2

[blissful perch]

Yea I’d assume after lc is when the labor transition begins

[stray elm]

Depends if their wording with the Lost Colonies tweet is anything to go by, and them saying our "first" ASA expansion. (or something along those lines)

"Excited to reveal 'ARK: Lost Colony', the first canonical story expansion for ASA"
Yeah, they stated it's the first.

Whether or not it'll be the only, is to be seen.

[untold ingot]

I think there have to be at least 2 to equal out the Gen saga to the first 4 maps

[rotund mountain]

do we know when the next community crunch is coming out?

[torn hemlock]

Today

[stray elm]

That's what I'm assuming.
Lost Colonies is hopefully going to be a proper epilogue to the original storyline, while acting as a prologue to the Genesis saga.
We get Gen 1-2.
Then we get the second expansion as basically Gen3, set on a small ASA version of Arat **right ** after Gen2 to properly end The Survivors story, before we have a time jump in the universe that is ARK-2.

[untold ingot]

I am hoping lc is before gen1 (I think it is) but that the next is after gen2

That would be super nice

[stray elm]

It's confirmed in a roundabout way that it is.
It's confirmed to be on the icy/now dethawing side of the Earth. While following the story of Mei-Yin in Mappa-style animations.

That's basically Arat-Prime.

[tiny cradle]

What chance is there to have a "gen 3"

or is it confirmed

[stray elm]

Currently it isn't.
But they stated the Lost Colonies is the 'first' paid expansion, so we'll see if any more come out.

[tiny cradle]

alright

[untold ingot]

If there is, which timeline could suggest, it won't be a gen3 though since the spaceship went boom

[tiny cradle]

It would be like a prologue to Ark 2

[untold ingot]

That's what gen2 is

I highly doubt they'll converge the two more than that

[solemn sonnet]

I knew ark 2 was late 2027, no one believed it

[untold ingot]

Looks like Ark2 pushed back past 2025 at least, probably even 2026

[true viper]

2026, that seems to be how things are looking right now

Which honestly, might be for the best

[latent grail]

yeah gl with that

[swift hinge]

id put money on 2027 because I think they will do it after gen 2 releases

[haughty ruin]

Ark 2 2030+

[blissful perch]

I suspect we won’t hear anything until late 2025 either tbh

[true viper]

I would hope that's not the case either, but you may be right

[desert mulch]

can’t lie this channel needs deleted

[rotund mountain]

its probably coming out early 2027 late 2027

honestly i was supposed to start college when ark two came out, at this point i will be graduated from college when its even just in development

[latent grail]

wasn't it initially supposed to launch in like 2022

[rotund mountain]

yes

it was first announced 2020-2021 timeframe

you can never trust wildcard though

not with dates at least

[latent grail]

WC blew the development budget on a cinematic with vin diesel's face on it

[rotund mountain]

yup, they needed more money and started working on ASA but now its all they can do

[solemn sonnet]

They didn't mention lost island and crystal isles prolly 2027.have everything done and then focus on ark2

[rotund mountain]

most people who would have wanted to play ark 2 will not be interested (unless there addicts) by 2027

its just not good for them either way

if they stop working on asa ppl will be mad, if they dont start working on or saying anything abt ark 2 ppl will be mad

but they will get funds if they keep going with asa so

[latent grail]

probably waiting for next gen consoles ngl

[rotund mountain]

yeah

[true viper]

I was suppose to halfway through college when it was suppose to come out

[clever pond]

Why are the devs silent about Ark 2?? I am geninuely concerened if it may release in early 2026 or later

[stray elm]

Probably wont be 2026.
Gen2 isn't slated to release now till late 2026.

[tacit oak]

I personally think they moved gen 1/2 1 year later, because they are aiming to Release Ark 2 this year

[eternal vigil]

Ark 2 for 2030 ? In early access ? 😂

I miss Ark survival evolved 😬

[wanton pike]

My god the ASA roadmap 😅 Ark 2 will probably release in 2027/28

[polar cobalt]

I think anywhere from like feb-may 2027 for ark 2

If it’s a linear timeline. I believe they expect the community to play Asa and ark 2 at the same time because some people might not like the new mechanics or combat style of ark 2.

Idk if the premises behind the core of ark 2 have changed though after the mostly negative reaction from fans. I guess one advantage of taking 5+ years of making a game is you can really feel things out

[solemn sonnet]

No way, wildcard supporting 2 games!!! They can barely keep up with Asa, which is a mess. Now imagine two

[blissful perch]

“Mostly negative” is a meme. There was a vocal response from some current dedicated players that would never support changes to the ASE/asa formula, but a large group of players who don’t play ark constantly want change

[stuck sail]

Maybe they want to Release ARK 2 This year so that they still can release content for ASA for people who want to Play This

[gleaming ravine]

Ark 2 2028 I'm calling it

[true viper]

That won’t work with this current roadmap tbh. Until something else changes, we’re stuck with what we have.

[stuck sail]

ARK 2 isnt mentiont so maybe they dont want to be specific if they need to Delay it more

[tribal chasm]

The direction ASA has taken has not only disgusted me entirely, but it's likely to follow into ARK 2 as well. So much for Vin Diesel's primitive dino world, will be full of random immersion breaking shit within a month

[true viper]

The delay is implied with this road map. When LC was announced, it was tied specifically to Ext and Gen 1/2.

so far as story maps/games are concerned it’s going to be

LC - Gen 1 - Gen 2 - Ark 2

There is the slight chance that Ark II could come out before late 2027, maybe late 2026 because of the Early Access factor, but that’s just a Hail Mary thought of mine

[jovial gazelle]

Straight disrespectful to us...they let "late 2024" come and go and nothing. Another community crunch and nothing...

[elder olive]

People have to remember even though there's a roadmap with dates. All maps have been delayed by a month or two. So we won't be seeing ark 2 in awhile

[stuck sail]

What Direction do you mean. I’m Not a Fan of the Content pasting and that needed Updates Like Performance take so Long but the Rest ist ok for me. What do you dislike

[solemn sonnet]

We better be getting 60fps on consoles with UE5 update

[polar cobalt]

I feel like a lot of people cringed at the “souls like combat news” I’m quite different however

[blissful perch]

I think it wasn't universal either way. Some folks were strongly against, others were very interested

[blissful perch]

I also think late 2026 is possible. It sorta depends on the state we see ark 2 released in...which we have no idea about (and prolly won't until late 2025 early 2026)

[polar cobalt]

60 fps with stuff turned on or off? My game looks and runs great when I turn off clouds and decrease grass. Fog looks really cool on extinction but have to turn it off during osds

[polar cobalt]

I think the game should be different and more grounded. Would be cool if certain Dino’s could sort of counter each other or pack animals could overwhelm a larger Dino like a Rex

[blissful perch]

yea idk how long ago i talked about it, but i had mentioned a sort of soft "class" system for different creatures

and that these classes would be able to support more diverse gameplay niches

[polar cobalt]

Would love that

[tight granite]

These are the things i think its necessary for ARK 2
Optimization
listening to the community
add something bro. Make it ark 2 not ark with better graphics
Dont be greedy. See quality over quantity as your goal
don't update the game per century
Optimization
Do not make it Ark Survival Bugolved
Optimization
Come out before gta 6
Optimization

[elder olive]

I think it would be better off if there was no level system that would make the game optimized more because there's not like hundreds of the same dinosaur. So many useless low levels. Like jpguards said classes would be nice. Always thought a max lvl parasaur could take on a lvl1 rex was goofy

[tight granite]

i mean less dinasours prob make the game run better by 10 fps or something but i think level system is a must for a game like ark where you have to SURVIVE by grinding. Cuz you are a small little human

[elder olive]

That's where getting good gear comes to play. Survival Games like grounded was fun to play. Grounded doesn't really have a leveling system like ark but they have mutations. Like a loadout for different situations. And you're a small human literally lmao

[tight granite]

i actually never played and watched grounded so imma look it up and then talk :D

[elder olive]

It was a fun game honestly

Kinda like ark but less janky

[tight granite]

yeah maybe i'll watch it one day

[elder olive]

And it's nicely optimized

[tight granite]

but it seems like grounded is a game where you grind to make yourself stronger which is very different from ark

[tight granite]

its nice for a game to be optimized but do we still think that ark devs care about players having fun instead of money

[elder olive]

Yea another thing about ark was. It sounds so cool on paper but wildcard didn't make as cool as the idea

[tight granite]

thats what makes games unique like grounded and ark

[elder olive]

I only play ark cause it's the closest to the dream game I always wanted if someone else made an really good version of ark I would switch immediately

[tight granite]

ark has so much potential and has literally no rival in its kind

[tight granite]

this is why ark isnt your dream game because they dont have a rival to compete

if they did i believe ark would be 100x better

i wish they treated a gem like ark way better than this

[elder olive]

Yup

[obtuse jungle]

ark 2 never

[tight granite]

we gonna get gta 6 before ark 2

[true viper]

Late 2025 might be a stretch imo, but there could be a decent argument made for 2026.

At this point, we'll know when we know

What do know for an absolute fact is that we will be getting Ark II related information through Lost Colony and Bobs True Tales.

At the very least, that's something to look forward to

[blissful perch]

Sorry that last bit was when we’d see news (late 2025 or so I think is possible)

[blissful perch]

That’s what classes and levels could do though (ie parasaur’s class would make it virtually unable to be used as a combat mount). Or skill trees for creatures could exist that offer variable ways to improve tames without bluntly making their stats rise. You could also nerf breeding to not be cough stupid in terms of PvE balance

I agree that a dodo should be a dodo…it’s just weird when a max level raptor solo rinses a low level rex

[true viper]

Ah right. That's much more realistic I would think. Nothing would prevent that from being the case

[solemn sonnet]

Nah it's 2027

[kind summit]

Ark 2? uuuh

(please dont kill me)

[true viper]

Asking about the game, or the release date?

[true viper]

2027 sounds about right given what we know now. I'm just considering the early access factor. It will technically be out but it won't be released

It's a copium argument to be sure

[tight granite]

wildcard devs will have a headache in 2037 so prob 2040

[blissful perch]

Comedy 100 guys 👍

[split dove]

give them credit for coming up with a joke with those 2 braincells

[wanton pike]

Maybe they should delete this channel. Ark 2 isn’t going to release anytime soon anyways

[worldly garden]

No need to delete this channel. There's still plenty of normal people that know how to discuss a topic.

[runic sapphire]

[wind tartan]

Did they scrap ark 2

[trim quest]

No it’s being pushed back to work on ASA

I would view Ark 2 like Elder Scrolls 6, it’s gonna take a long time to fully complete

[lone bear]

Asą so ass

[wanton vector]

Ark 2 in 2026!

Why pause ark 2 for dying ASA its population is trash forget ASA garbage

[jade nimbus]

I'm really concerned, the new roadmap isn't great. Ark 2 will probably release after genesis which releases mid 2026.

[wanton vector]

Ya ASA is a dying game they’ve lost over 50% of player base yet they release a giant roadmap that’s definitely gonna be getting delays throughout the roadmap because wildcard things. I don’t get what the obsession is with this game why do they care so much about refurbished ASE but with some new Dino’s… it’s not working it’s dying its old and boring hence the insane player base decrease

[bright silo]

They need money from asa to fund ark 2 development

[gleaming ravine]

Ark 2 is 2027 at the earliest, with delays 2028+

[jade nimbus]

I would say late 2026 earliest, with delays mid 2027

[open maple]

i take it u havent seen their newest timeline?

[jade nimbus]

Did you read my damn messages?

[open maple]

they left out two major maps lost island and crystal isles and have a timeline of dec 2026 for gen 2... so obviously not coming in 2026... u obviously didnt see their newest "timeline"

[jade nimbus]

lost island and crystal isles aren't story maps and they aren't the priority as far as I know.

[jade nimbus]

they don't have a timeline of dec 2026 for gen 2, it's August.

[wild tusk]

Asa isnt even prioritized as a whole I mean they be releasing maps and mods before they fix other bugs and just make terrible decisions honesty. Now they are back on the ark 2 trend because they got their money grab off this game so they could continue working ark 2. At this point they are gonna take advantage of us dumb enough to spend the money on this game just so they can use it toward ark 2. Eventually they will stop caring about Asa and it will be all about ark 2 which imo looks like hot garbage

[sacred flax]

what is?

[true viper]

We haven’t even seen gameplay yet. All we have are rendered cinematics.

And concept art

[wild tusk]

@true viper and based off the concepts they talked about and we’ve seen IMO it looks like trash

[uneven torrent]

Hope ark 2 aint gonna be like this

[open maple]

you need to read the last community crunch...

[jade nimbus]

YOU need to read it, it says fjordur for december.

[open maple]

you right... i meant the last map is dec 2026

we all know how wildcard is with timelines.... i have a feeling ark 2 will be 2028 -2029 if we are lucky

[distant reef]

.

[vale panther]

🤡

[vale panther]

Wildcard

[mint swan]

so ark 2 is not releasing this year?

[floral crow]

Hell no

[halcyon fiber]

Maybe…. 2027 but who knows

[marble zenith]

F@@k ark 2 that shiz ain’t getting released they just fooled everyone to pay for ASA thinking they’d get ark for free 🤣

[mint swan]

Wildcard some scammers for ark 2 was hyped with the boys to play this game but they screwed all of us like little babys. its just sad Tbh

[untold ingot]

You might need the definition of scam...

You didnt pay for Ark2, so even if it doesn't come out it's not a scam

[worldly garden]

kids don't know what scams are

[marble zenith]

Not entirely true they promised if you paid for ASA (which was meant to be free) then you would get ark 2 as part of that deal so yeh it’s a scam to make money off the original game

[worldly garden]

They scrapped that plan a week later lmao.

You kids have no idea what's going on.

[wanton pike]

I’m quite hesitant on this, because I’m thinking, if they still give Ark 2 to those buyers, it isn’t a scam. But on the other hand, it was also meant to release much sooner.

[wanton pike]

It wasn’t a plan, they’ve put that deal on the market and people bought it. But they didn’t get Ark 2 yet.

[worldly garden]

LMAO you have no idea what you are talking about. They bundled ASA+Ark 2 together, but a week later after community backlash they removed Ark 2 from the bundle and stuck all ASE DLCs free in the bundle. No-one paid any money at that point.

[wanton pike]

Okay buddy. Not really here to debate

[worldly garden]

Neither am I, just here to disclaim any silly claims of scams.

[wanton pike]

I wasn’t either. But I am also thinking we might be talking about a different bundle. I was on about the one way back

The one shortly after the first trailer of Ark 2 dropped.

[worldly garden]

There was no trailer after Ark 2 trailer dropped. The trailer dropped back in 2020. The only bundle offered was when ASA was first announced in April 2023.

[untold ingot]

You didnt read any announcements or news did you. That's old and it didn't happen because people didn't want it

[blissful perch]

Well the initial bundle was Asa + ark 2 but you had to buy all the old maps when the came out on asa

[marble zenith]

It’s irrelevant cos Ark 2 is not happening rest assured

[blissful perch]

Which even I’ll admit as an ark 2 supporter is a bit much

[untold ingot]

Yes, your in depth knowledge of the affair is thoroughly demonstrated by not even understanding the Asa launch. You obviously know what you are talking about

[split dove]

you've gotta take his claims of knowing the subject better very seriously, after all he watched youtube videos on it that totally weren't done just to generate money

[untold ingot]

Only reliable ark news is gp. Everyone else is outdated 🤣

[marble zenith]

I know it was meant to release in 2022 then 2023 then 2024 and it’s now 2025 🤣 we’ve seen no gameplay infact im pretty sure all we’ve seen is a trailer and some pictures of a few dinos

[untold ingot]

Yeah, but the btt dlc in Asa keeps referencing Ark2, it's obviously not canned yet

[marble zenith]

You keep telling yourself that pal

It’s done

[untold ingot]

I don't really care either way

[marble zenith]

And it appears they also confirmed this weekend that we lose crystal isles and lost island

[uncut perch]

Any update on ARK 2? (last I checked messages there was around 1 mo ago). Any rumors?

[fallow niche]

No we don't, chill.

[fallow niche]

Nope

[worldly garden]

You keep showing your naivety 🤣

[untold ingot]

Lol

Meeks really showing that business insight

[marble zenith]

Why because I don’t spend my every minutes trawling social media for every little announcement 🤣 it wasn’t on the road map and I assume others were kicking off which led to Dollie making an announcement which I obviously did not see

[worldly garden]

Ark is known for people complaining about stuff that they don't understand.

[marble zenith]

Pretty sure raasclark also said the same in a vid is he naive as well

[marble zenith]

I fully understand thanks just don’t see all the posts

[worldly garden]

He probably recorded his video before Dollie said anything.

[true viper]

Closet thing to a rumor is that 2027 seems to be the popular thought at the moment, based on the roadmap anyway.

Even then, that's just speculation

[marble zenith]

I think it’s a safe bet to add at least an extra month or two to each of the dates on that road map so I’d say 2028 at the very earliest as they seem to have problems recoding what they already have with ASE with unreal 5 and 5.5 will probably extend those problems

[true viper]

Not a bad thought, but it also comes down to whether or not WC is reserving time in-between releases to work on the game.

Cause I doubt that the game has just sat around collecting dust

[rough nacelle]

It was never given a release date , WC never said a date.

[marble zenith]

Never a specific date but said 2022,2023 then 2024 but made an announcement each time before the end of the year apart from 2024

[fallen fiber]

ark 2 is an ancient myth

[untold ingot]

So the assumption should be they have something, but aren't releasing it

[marble zenith]

No as we haven’t seen anything to suggest there is any production whatsoever

A simple trailer from 4 years ago doesn’t mean nothing

[untold ingot]

Haven't seen that for gta 6 either lol

[marble zenith]

🤣 there is a humongous difference rockstar have actually developed other things and they have shown actual game trailers and leaked some stuff

Hey you can believe all you want I hope your right but sadly I’m aware of how poor wildcard are so I won’t be holding too much hope

[rough nacelle]

Nope

That was never Wildcard.

[marble zenith]

Dude it’s literally on the community crunch

[untold ingot]

Your evidence is being grumpy. Mine is they reference Ark2 with every btt addition. Who has more evidence

Citing a delay when you are talking wc is like saying water is wet

[marble zenith]

Im not entirely sure what references you are referring to im afraid

[untold ingot]

I know. Like you didn't know the conditions of Asa launch either. You don't know things but you have an opinion like you do

Nothing wrong with not knowing, plenty wrong with not knowing and pretending you do

[marble zenith]

So enlighten me

[nimble nymph]

When is Ark 2 coming out?

[untold ingot]

I don't enlighten argumentative people, I argue with them

[marble zenith]

Not pretending to know anything

[marble zenith]

Never

🤣

[marble zenith]

Yep can’t find any ark 2 references

[untold ingot]

Not my problem

[true viper]

Size of the company also matters a lot in this regard. Rockstar and Wildcard are not comparable in any regard simply because of the size discrepancy

[marble zenith]

It’s cute how protective you are of wc proper loyal you are

[untold ingot]

If that's what you see sure. It's not as if your opinion matters

[analog elbow]

cheecky

[worldly garden]

I know people in here tend to make up lies, but he's right. I can't remember about 2022, but Wildcard definitely stated on their official website that Ark 2 was releasing in 2023, then later changed it to late 2024. So yes it was Wildcard.

[wanton vector]

Ark 2 the future that will never arrive

[void bramble]

I dont care How long ark 2 is as long as they do it right and it ain’t as buggy as this

[rough nacelle]

You got any Proof of that? Genuine

[worldly garden]

Yeah, this is the 2023 delay: https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/articles.html/redefining-the-survival-genre-with-ark-2-and-an-update-from-our-studio-founders-r1949/

And this is the end of 2024 delay.

Can't remember where 2022 was first mentioned though, but that first link confirms it was originally planned for 2022.

[marble zenith]

That’s it they have always given an announcement of the delay just not the latest one that I’ve seen at least I don’t think I’ve seen any mention of ark 2 since the 2023 delay

[solemn sonnet]

If ark2 is coming 2027 maybe 2028 it better be flawless

[bright silo]

Thats not possible for wildcard

[solemn sonnet]

They better, ASA has been a mess

[bright silo]

I feel like if they wait too long they would just delay longer until next gen consoles

[solemn sonnet]

Optimization is crucial for wildcard and now Nvidia fake frames just encourages devs to not optimize their games

I'm just hoping for ark2 to let me play single player with a friend and not be tether.

[blissful perch]

Beyond the “Wc loves bugs” line, it’s also an early access release…so I wouldn’t bother expecting flawless

[solemn sonnet]

If it's early access should it come after gen 2 2026

[true viper]

It depends on how far along the game itself is in development. 2026 would be nice, partially because it’s ridiculous that the game has taken as long as it has to reveal more of itself/release. but if it’s rushed WC will face the same criticisms that they already get with ASE/A.

If the game absolutely needs to be delayed until late 2027, then that’s where we’re at unfortunately.

I think the game could be something great, but I wouldn’t want to see it rushed just for the sake of it coming out.

[solemn sonnet]

Same

[true viper]

Yeah, like part of me thinks their hands are tied with Snail still at the helm. Them not wanting to see the ASE formula retire because of how profitable it and ASA has been for them. Seemingly at WCs expense it feels like.

It’s like a golden handcuffs situation I imagine

[solemn sonnet]

I wonder if they'll do many maps for ark2 or just one big map like avatar frontiers of pandora

Hopefully more alive than asa and ase

[untold ingot]

Ark2 will likely not have a higher pop than asa/ase

The type of game it is does not work well with super high concentration of players

[solemn sonnet]

And that's the problem, it just needs to be a coop game max 8 players like sons of the forest or LOTR return to moria even valheim. Being a 70 players server was never gonna work.

[true viper]

It’s possible that we may see other parts of Arat in future expansions and what not

[solemn sonnet]

I'm honestly not feeling that multiple map plan I'd have one big map teeming with life

[rigid bison]

.

[true viper]

It would be nice if we got a game that took what Atlas did and did it better. I have my own personal reservations about that, not in practice, but in execution.

Plus there's no telling one way or another if that is even in cards right now

[blissful perch]

What do you think is next for WC after Asa?

Company make money -> company bankrupt. Make it make sense

You have to flop something usually to go under

Luckily wc isn’t snail. Snail going under could actually benefit wc cause they’d be sold off

The only scenario that would make ark 2 not happen is snail going completely bankrupt, somehow doing so by selling WC without selling the rights to ark, and never developing again

[true viper]

He said exactly that just now

[solemn sonnet]

I didn't played atlas what did it do

[blissful perch]

^to confirm, yes I’m aware

I’m not sure it’s delusional to assume a game developer that’s trying to make money will release a sequel to their best selling product

[true viper]

Each grid on the map was it's own server

[blissful perch]

In fact you’d likely expect a hasty ark 2 release if bankruptcy is about to happen to try to scrape some last ditch revenue

[true viper]

To be fair the release date is up for interpretation, but there has been stuff made for the game, and most recently it was given attention to in the Lost Colony announcement.

[solemn sonnet]

I won't what's the early access for lost colony in April

[blissful perch]

They’re making money off ark are they not?

If the thing making money makes money…why would you halt its production?

[true viper]

The assets that were included with the trailer. Those are tangible materials made specifically for the game. I reckon that if Snail weren't going belly up atm, we would have likely seen Ark II by now. ASA is pretty much Snails meal ticket for the time being.

[blissful perch]

You mean snail’s financials, which include far more than the costs and revenue generated from ark?

[true viper]

Those are rendered assets. You can't be serious right now

[blissful perch]

I’m not arguing that Asa or ark 2 will magically fix snail’s dubious financials

But it’s basic business if Asa makes more money than it costs to produce (which is highly likely given it’s a remaster)…it’ll continue to be produced

[true viper]

Of course they look like they're CGI, because it isn't gameplay. They were given that extra polish like most game reveal trailers get.

[blissful perch]

Ok so you understand then that WC and ark aren’t the sum total of what’s represented in snail’s finances

As familiar as you can be with quarterly snail earnings reports?

[violet sluice]

Hi, so is ark2 good I haven’t played it yet?

[blissful perch]

Unless you’re an ex employee 👀. Maybe you DO know why snail wouldn’t proceed with an obvious money making sequel to their hit product

[blissful perch]

Doesn’t exist yet

[violet sluice]

Ohhh ok thanks

[blissful perch]

A company often relies on investment to fund production…very rarely does it entirely come from existing capital

[true viper]

That is a serious question to ask, and it would be easier to answer if Snail weren't bleeding money atm. To the best of my knowledge WC still has a business relationship MS through gamepass (Ark 2 is mean to be an xbox/pc exclusive for a time). They might be getting some assistance from them behind the scenes.

[blissful perch]

I suspect snail in bankruptcy will have to sell some of its major assets, which would include wc and the ark ip (assuming they’d be worth something to resolve some of snail’s existing debts). If that happened, both games could still exist if investment continued

[true viper]

At the very least, we do know that it isn't canceled and that Bobs True Tales and Lost Colony will provide some information to serve as a primer for Ark II. Much in the same way that Bobs Tall Tales ended with giving Meeka a sincere character motivation.

[blissful perch]

The big unknown for us in this regard is if snail’s financial losses indicate Asa and ark 2 cost more to make than they generate in revenue - which I’ve not seen clean evidence of in either direction because snail at large made such horrendous financial choices way outside the scope of ark

[true viper]

It would be smart on the part of WC to divorce themselves from Snail if they can.

A lot easier said than done though

[blissful perch]

We both agree ase was a financial success (surely)

I suspect Asa is also some form of financial success given it earned a contract with nitrado for exclusivity and is cheap to make (it’s a remaster of already existing assets and designs)

So I’m not sure it’s a hard pitch to say ark is in some way profitable in the right hands

Also true. If only officials were shut down or wiped so the hardware could be updated to cheaper servers 😔. Can’t imagine how much was lost before snail then invested it into trash cans

[bright silo]

Nitrado contract isn't about success but wc failure

[blissful perch]

It sucks for us users, but it makes money 🤷‍♂️

Same with ark 2 being Xbox and pc exclusive on launch. Sucks for some users (PS), but it makes money

[bright silo]

Nitrado wiped debts that couldn't be paid in exchange for exclusive contract so calling it financial success its odd

[blissful perch]

People think a contract makes net money for both parties -> contract is signed. So nitrado had to assume people would pay them somewhat well for Asa servers to offer/sign such a contract

Wiping debts with operating profits is…kinda exactly what a financial success would like for snail based on my understanding of their finances

[marble zenith]

Ark is literally the only thing making snail games any money they’ve killed off so many games it’s unreal and they are in financial shit they are shady as

[solemn sonnet]

Is there a way wildcard can get away from snail

[candid pawn]

TBH
I only want to play it when it comes out so I can tame the flower Lizard that was in the trailer

[true viper]

Under the right circumstances the FTC could possibly step in, but that would be a dramatic over-reach given the current circumstances. Until then Snail indefinitely owns the rights to Ark.

[solemn sonnet]

Fuck

Just gotta hope for the best

[marble zenith]

I’m sure if the share price drops below $1 (currently $1.80)is is removed from the market which may force a sale and I’m pretty sure someone like Microsoft would be eager to snap up ark

[true viper]

That would be more ideal than snail, but it also comes with it's own consequences

I have to imagine Snail would want to sell of WC and not the Ark IP

It's the only thing they have of any value

[blissful perch]

I’m not sure what you’re intending to say here. It sounds like you’re agreeing with me that ark is a money maker for snail? If so, I assume they’d want to release more asa content at minimum…if not a sequel (Ark 2)

[blissful perch]

I’m actually not sure if snail owns the ark IP because they own WC or if they own the ark ip separate from WC

[stray elm]

Think it's a parented thing.
Wildcard owns the ARK IP, but Wildcard is owned by Snail Games, and in turn anything Wildcard produces with the ARK IP is automatically Snail Games product.

[blissful perch]

That’s my understanding too, but I’m not experienced in the copyright field and may be missing some other arrangement

[stray elm]

Think it's safe to say that in some way, Snail Games owns the ARK Ip in some form.

Because if they didn't, and only owned Wildcard, the studio.
Then Jeremy/Jesse I assume would've all left and transferred ownership of the ARK IP to the new studio, leaving Snail Games basically fucked.

[blissful perch]

Agree there

Although the other obvious reason they couldn’t do that is because of basic NDAs and non-competes lol

[stray elm]

Non-Competes are gone now in the U.S

[blissful perch]

Were all existing ones abolished? My recollection was that they were banned from being renewed or created

[stray elm]

"Under the FTC's new rule, existing noncompetes for the vast majority of workers will no longer be enforceable after the rule's effective date."
-By FTC.Gov

[blissful perch]

Oh that’s nice. We sure that applies to snail given the international ties?

[stray elm]

Seems like existing ones got voided as well

[stray elm]

They're a U.S company now for like six years

[blissful perch]

Ah gotcha

[stray elm]

They moved from China to the U.S.

[blissful perch]

Yes my guess tho is that WC owns the IP, and snail owns WC

So a sale of WC would in theory contain the ark ip

(Non competes aside)

[stray elm]

But again, that legally I believe means Snail also owns the IP if they own Wildcard.
There has to be some legal reasoning of Snail owning the ARK IP, because if they flat out didn't, Wildcard could just do shit like this. (again, not a lawyer. But from my understanding this is why parent companies own their child studios products, then stuff like this can't happen)

[blissful perch]

Right, that makes sense

I’m assuming they own WC and all associated IPs

I’d also assume sale of WC would also include all associated IPs though…since a WC husk with no ark ip is something I doubt would sell to anyone

[marble zenith]

No I’m saying it’s the only thing they have that makes money that doesn’t mean that they make enough to keep afloat they are dodgy as and more than likely don’t have the money to make ark 2 hence why they forced WC to charge for ASA which was meant to be a free upgrade

[blissful perch]

So you think snail will finish Asa and go under without attempting to release ark 2 to make some money?

[marble zenith]

I don’t believe they have the funds to actually bring Ark 2 to market no hence why they’ve tried to drain asa for all money they can

[blissful perch]

IMO I think ark 2 was too risky a release without more time to cook - and Asa gave wc/snail more money and time to make ark 2

Just my thoughts tho

[true viper]

Wildcard was doing pretty well financially after the release of Gen 2 in ASE. It was really only Snail who dropped the ball and made ASA an artificial priority over Ark 2. Not to say that Ark 2 wouldn't have been delayed for a year after announcing, I think that was inevitable, but the delays post ASAs release are a direct result of Snails financial troubles.

More money needs to go to them atm.

It's highly unfortunate, but just the way things are at the moment.

[fresh vine]

i think they just need to take their time, build a better team, get the game right and only release it once its stable and enjoyable ... lets learn from past mistakes, build a game people dont want to throw out the window 20 minutes after playing.

1.) Build capital by making ASA better and more playable, prioritize functionality over form
2.) Enhance team from ground up using above capital, this in turn will generate more capital for future projects.
3.) Mandate update schedules for not only base game but mods as well, launching ark to get 10 mod updates, just to play for 15 minutes, crash, and then have 3 more mod updates to get really sucks. Hotfixes should be the ONLY update that is pushed outside the "Normal" update schedule. Hotfixes should only include code changes related to resolving bugs not adding features/functionality.
4.) Take the time to get Ark 2 right out of the gate, Players dont mind waiting for a better game but if its just a repeat of "Here is a broken game, we'll fix it on the fly" ... its going to flop ... HARD....

I hope Studio Wildcard actually reads this ... but i doubt they will ...

[solemn sonnet]

They won't change unfortunately

[true viper]

If WC weren't essentially being held hostage by snail and their poor financial practices, both in and out of debt, I would like to think that would be something WC would otherwise like to do.

Unfortunately in the case of ASA, I don't see that happening because of how scrapped for cash snail is, the necessary capital required to make those arguably necessary changes.

Now so far as Ark II is concerned, I imagine that they have been taking their time, making the initial delay necessary (hopefully). It really is a shame that Wildcard lost the momentum that they had going for themselves after Gen IIs inital launch.

[fresh vine]

I dont think its a matter of "Won't" change rather than how @true viper pointed out, they cannot due to fiscal issues... as for Ark2 .. i seriously doubt we will see any movement on this until they get this fiscal issue figured out ... there is alot of money involved releasing a game of this nature and ASA is barely able to keep their lights on ...

[blissful perch]

idk why people insist polish > content when time and time again that's not what people spend money on

ark 2 will release in early access...ie it will have bugs and missing polish. People will prefer that to a polished game that has less stuff in it 🤷‍♂️ . Especially ark players that have always preferred content over polish...people who actually require polish to play games wouldn't be playing ark

[true viper]

It's not even that ASA can't keep WC's lights on, it's mostly to with ASA being the primary financial reason why Snail hasn't completely imploded. If they were more responsible with money, and allocated enough resources to WC, they would reasonably do all of what they set out to do, even if it isn't perfect like all games are.

That's just my thought process on the matter.

WC themselves are rather financially stable, at least relative to Snail as far as I'm aware.

[marble zenith]

Unfortunately snails record for killing off games doesn’t give people much hope

[worthy mesa]

If you look it up the company made side investments, I believe they were trying to make their own electric vehicle like Elon.

[faint turtle]

I hope this game isn’t cancelled because I like the dinosaur redesigns in this game so much more, carno, Rex and raptor

[solemn sonnet]

Right! those designs make them look more strong. Like built for a harsh environment

But they need to be more transparent. More concept art would be nice. What i wouldn't give for another trailer.

[blissful perch]

“We’re not working on it much” felt transparent

Trailers also create expectations…which knowing this community are a pretty serious concern 😆

[solemn sonnet]

I wish they would add free climbing to asa, ark2 will have it but I hate not being able to climb this small stone

[blissful perch]

They almost did with climbing picks and the like, but I doubt Asa is equipped to suddenly have free climbing. I’m sure PvP alone would riot if they saw people suddenly scaling all the walls

[split dove]

i mean those people riot at the least of things

[solemn sonnet]

Just for single player then

[vocal widget]

Ark 2 should be built on the foundations of Ark and not spinning off like they did with Tek on asa.
It's gonna end up like Teken on playstation.

[blissful perch]

I’m not sure I understand. What did they do with tek in Asa that’s different from ase?

What ark 2 plans to do is make a new foundation that’s inspired by Ark 1 (ase and Asa are Ark 1), so I certainly hope that remains the case

[solemn sonnet]

Hopefully more primitive

Those weapons that syntac showed in a video of ark2 looked pretty sick

[true viper]

That's one thing I'm slightly worried about with the game. The primitive aesthetic works very well in a setting like Ark, but I equally think that a medieval theme would fit very well in Ark.

When I made my cottages mod, It was to add to a 'primitive' feel, but not so de-industrial that it was otherwise reserved for early man

[solemn sonnet]

Primitive is definitely where ark needs to stay

[blissful perch]

IMO if medieval is the end game of ark 2 that would be perfect. I don’t see it being out of reach either tbh

Since most “primitive” games include composite bows if not crossbows

[true viper]

Right, bows have been around pretty much since man reached modernity (modern cognitive function)

Settings like Dinotopia would be great for a game with the same general premise as Ark

Lord of the Rings to some extend as well, just for a little bit more of that added fantasy spice

[untold ingot]

Arks general premise is super future Ai having genetic reconstruction abilities but being invaded by space magic. That's been it's storyline since the start. It never was a "primitive" game.

[true viper]

Early to mid game it very much is. Not so much for the lore and story though

It's one of those it is and it isn't kind of things.

[untold ingot]

That makes it an isn't.

And the early to midgame primitive is literally just the crossbow and metal pick. It's not actually got much of a primitive component to it, and you leave that by like level 45ish.

[true viper]

It has the base trappings of what would otherwise be called primitive though, in the sense that it's pre-industrial ie electricity and fabricated materials.

[untold ingot]

The electricity and fabricator segments rival what is possible with modern tech. If not surpass

My only argument is that ark isn't primitive gameplay. And never has been. I hope Ark2 is, because I would love Conan style combat mixed into ark

[true viper]

Be that as it may, those are still post-industrial technologies. When people say primitive they're typically talking about technologies before the industrial revolution. It ranges from early hunter gathering societies to feudal societies. It's used as a catchall to include anything before the 1800's.

Current Ark does have a primitive component to its gameplay, but it is very brief and easy to progress out of.

[untold ingot]

If a player stays in the "primitive" stage, they literally can't progress. But primitive referring to pre 1800s is very debatable. Because the 1800s were definitely not primitive

[true viper]

Like I said, primitive in the case of Ark, relative to its gameplay is an umbrella term for pre-industrial technologies

[untold ingot]

Of which there are like 10 items.

It's like saying cod has primitive gameplay because it has a knife

But either way, primitive in the case of ark most usually refers to the blueprint quality, not the actual level progression stage.

[true viper]

Then what about thatch, wood, stone. Most items in the mortar, wooden crop plots, cloth, flak, hide etc? All of those things existed in human societies well before the industrial revolution. Quite a bit more than just 10 items.

[untold ingot]

Human society preindustrial was not primitive. No one uses the term that way.

[true viper]

Like I've been saying, and you've continued to ignore. Primitive in the case of the Ark community is an umbrella term for pre-industrial technologies.

[untold ingot]

Primitive in ark means not having blueprints. That's the most common use of the term

If you consider crossbow primitive. Then you must also consider simple pistols as primitive (those are industrial age) since they are the same development tier

[true viper]

No one, especially an Anthropologist or Archeologist would agree that feudal Europe was primitive, in the same way early mans societies and tribes were primitive. There's an alternate use case for the word primitive to describe both blueprint quality AND technologies the player has access to in the early/mid game.

[untold ingot]

Point I am making is that ark does not have a strictly delineated preindustrial progression tier

[untold ingot]

Feudal Europe was not primitive though...

[true viper]

That's exactly what I said

[untold ingot]

Right I misread.

Either way, my point stands. Ase/a does not have a "primitive" tier, even if the definition is preindustrial

Pointing out that that is a non-standard use of primitive in ark terminology, and in real terminology is a secondary point

[true viper]

It's not a perfect separation by any means, but there are the base trappings of what would otherwise qualify as primitive/pre-industrial. I consistently see people talking about how they'd like much more of that in a setting like Ark.

[untold ingot]

Like I just did

Calling it primitive is a misnomer though

[true viper]

It is a misnomer, going off the dictionary definition. But so far as its definition in this community is concerned it refers to any pre-industrial technology. A slang term basically.

[true viper]

Adding onto this for a minute. For better or for worse, Tek is a dramatically important element of the story. It isn't going away anytime soon. The Rex saddle leak from 2023 confirmed that.

[untold ingot]

Almost no one uses it like that

[true viper]

I've seen it used that way plenty in the pockets of the Ark community I'm in

[solemn sonnet]

Do you mean the leaked Rex saddle, it looked more like scrap metal to me

[true viper]

It had a very Tek like composition. It's most likely just scrap metal, and doesn't doesn't have the functionality of the Tek saddles we have now.

[split dove]

there's going to be a tek scrap tier, basically a tek tier but without full tek capabilities

[true viper]

Then there's the genesis ship, that's not going anywhere either

[solemn sonnet]

It exploded though

[true viper]

Right, but there's still likely some working tek in there somewhere. Don't forget that Meeka wants to revive her mother, that would necessarily require working Tek. Plus we say the Tek pod thing in the first trailer.

Tek will have a presence in the game, but to what degree is currently unknown.

[blissful perch]

Agreed, however I’ve so far only seen tek scrap as a material. It’s certainly plausible that scrap tek is not the same as the highly advanced tek tier we have today, and it also could mean we don’t see the return of jetpacks and blasters

Tek may also play a major role in the missions/story and a much weaker role (if any) in the standard tech progression. I don’t mind it in the story but would prefer to not see the return of exos, jetpacks, etc that just violate the map and the gameplay

[indigo glade]

Didn't the Eden ring separate before the explosion and just the Rockwell side explodes? Might have misunderstood how that all goes down.

[formal acorn]

does ark 2 do not release on ps5?!

[fallow niche]

Not at launch.

[formal acorn]

oh wow lmao.

[true viper]

It'll be a PC/Xbox exclusive by the time my grandchildren are born

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but won't Ark II have wild herding behaviours?

[fallow niche]

The steam page just says this bit

[bright silo]

Intelligent path finding on ark? Lol

[spiral rivet]

I’m convinced ark 2 isn’t an online game no more.

[fallow niche]

Probably look at the store pages then..

[true viper]

Ah fair enough

[spiral rivet]

I mean with the realism. Just gonna be a real life simulator 😭

[fallow niche]

[blissful perch]

I mean monster hunter world had a lot of this, and that’s not a super new game

[true viper]

Can't believe I'll have to pay taxes and take out a mortgage on my beach bob shack.

This isn't the libertarian paradise I was promised.

[spiral rivet]

Exactly

[shut obsidian]

Ark 2 is a myth its not real guys

[solemn sonnet]

Why are you even here then

[hushed grove]

Is ark 2 an entirely new game or only the lore which will be added to ASA

[solemn sonnet]

New game a sequel to ASA/ASE

[graceful glacier]

When this one will release man

You sure

[bright silo]

Ark 2 ain't releasing next year

[regal peak]

i mean i wouldnt say guns are primitive

and we had those in the 1300s

[blissful perch]

I’d say a flintlock isn’t the same as a fabi sniper…but I’d also say that a flintlock and a bow are not really comparable

[regal peak]

agree

its like medieval

if it uses metal, it aint primtiive

[blissful perch]

I personally think basic copper and even iron working is primitive

But it’s “end stage” primitive. I’d be very down for true primitive (knapping and the like) but I doubt that’ll be the case

[regal peak]

when i think primtive, i think rocks and sticks (so like wooden / stone spears, bows)

not guns and swords

[blissful perch]

I find it fluctuates by context for me, but I can 100% see your view

I also think ark 2 would be awesome if that’s all it has. Tons of unique arrows, spears, and other tools that can be explored with the component based materials system. Ie more primitive tools but way more customizing with unique materials

[regal peak]

yeah

[blissful perch]

I find it a bit annoying that some people can’t imagine having a progression system that doesn’t go from bows for the first hour of play to jetpacks

It’s what makes ark 1 feel kinda bad for me…the most fun I have is the bob phase with a bow sneaking around trying not to die. It feels worse and worse as my base grows and I spend more and more time fiddling with material grinding and breeding and less time out in the world trying to survive for its own sake

(And you only spend MAYBE 2 hours with a bow and spear before oops it’s metal or guns)

[raven musk]

Based on the Ark Ascended Roadmap, it is very likely that Ark 2 will release in 2027 😭

[serene onyx]

its real just taking forever

[true viper]

I would hope that it’s early 2027. Could just be a cope argument from me, but considering it’s early access there’s when it comes out and when it releases

[solemn sonnet]

Hopefully it just 1 or 2 years early access and not 10 years like ase/asa

[fallow niche]

Evolved was a year and a half to 2 years. Ascended is only a year and some change.

[feral owl]

Ark 2 will be scrapped

[fossil iris]

ark 2 is for 2035

[feral owl]

Ark 2 is dead they are just trying to keep people engaged so they don't abandon asa while they wait

[languid hamlet]

It was 2 for Ase 2015-2017

[fallow niche]

Point still stands, nowhere near 10 years even exaggerating lol

[true viper]

Ark 2 was directly referenced in the Lost Colony announcement. IDK where this notion is coming from.

[languid hamlet]

Considering ase was still clearly unfinished it should have stayed in early access

[fallow niche]

Still was only 2y

[solemn sonnet]

We both know ASE never left early access and ASA just keeps increasing the time. The game will never feel like a completed product. Hopefully ark2 feels different

[languid hamlet]

I didn’t say it wasn’t.

[fallow niche]

It obviously did leave EA. Ark 2 will be a separate game entirely regardless and probably will stay in EA for at least the first 2 years. It's not uncommon for games to be in EA for a couple years.

[true viper]

ASE did leave early access, officially speaking. Quality wise, it's up to interpretation

[feral owl]

The lawsuit from their main character the backlash the lack of development skills and devs the game will never release

[true viper]

What are you talking about?

If Vin Diesel has a lawsuit against him at the moment, it doesn't automatically mean that Ark 2 will be scrapped. Never mind the backlash, half this community lives to complain about anything WC does good or bad.

[feral owl]

Vin Diesel is in the middle of a sexual assault and battery lawsuit usually career killer if convicted and cancel culture would wreck this game and if they can't even fix bugs in asa without mass server crashes what makes you think they can create a whole new game effectively wildcard has proven they aren't very well staffed or skilled with coding but hey I'll eat my words if it actually releases people really shouldn't get their hopes up though

[bright silo]

Wc can just overwrite vin with a rando bob no one would notice the difference

[true viper]

Alright so a few things:

1. if convicted until there's a verdict reached by a jury he's assumed to be innocent until proven otherwise (plus not really the place to be talking about this specifically)

2. Generally speaking I do think WC is decent at coding, definitely know more than I do. Biggest problem they face right now is the poor quality of the ASE/A engine. Lots of bloat and dilapidated code on the front end that creates the impression that they're bad at what they do. When in reality it's mostly to do with ASA being rushed and artificially limited.

You're making assumptions on factors that are two degrees removed from the game itself. You're not wrong to think that current cultural stigmas and factors could have some sway in regards to reception of the game, but at this very moment it's pointless to reach concrete assumptions. Simply because those factors themselves are not inherently tied to the standard operating procedure of making a game.

[feral owl]

Well if anyone else but snail games was backing the project and their main character wasn't facing legal issues I'd say it has good chances of making it but I stand solid in my opinion

[elder olive]

It's ark if they cancel vin diesel. Can just change appearance with scissors

[true viper]

It would be a bit more complicated than that, but yeah.

[untold ingot]

The issues causing gameplay bugs with the ase/a engine are due to in house code, not the actual ue5 engine. They are amateurs for the most part (modders who were good and got hired)

[true viper]

ASE being lifted and brought into UE5 versus being remade from the ground up from within the engine also plays a role in this. It's why so many bugs from ASE have resurfaced in ASA. It's only antiquated code.

[blissful perch]

Praying for mercy (ark 2 doesn’t reuse buggy ase code)

[true viper]

If it were, I have to imagine that it would be out by now.

[untold ingot]

That's code on top of the engine. Not engine itself though.

[true viper]

I've never said it was the brand of engine that's to blame

[untold ingot]

They did rebuild their engine backend. And they are doing it again for ue5.5

The bugs resurfacing have little if nothing directly to do with the engine. Most have to do with actual gameplay code or client server interface. Meshing is a different issue, that is an engine issue

Meshing methods is an interface issue

[true viper]

We've had this conversation a few times before. You're right it's code on top of the engine, not the brand of engine itself. With that being said though, the on top code from WC, and types of files (Primal Game Data BPs, Character BPs and their parent classes, etc.) everything is virtually identical for the most part. Not remade from the ground up within the engine. All of that was essentially just dragged and dropped from UE4 to UE5. That's why old bugs are resurfacing because it's the old on top code put into a newer version of Unreal.

[untold ingot]

Yeah, that's not engine code tho, that is easily portable code for the most part, mostly made using the design interface and blueprints in ue5. That part hardly changed from ue4 to ue5

[true viper]

How is it not engine code? It informs what's going on with WC's version of UE5 does it not?

[untold ingot]

... What.

A piece of code made in a blueprint is not engine code.

There were minor changes between blueprints in ue4 and ue5, but nothing that should have been so major as to break anything

[true viper]

I get the impression that you're comparing UE4 and 5 as they are out of the box, when I'm saying that much of the coding in the ASE/A dev kits are identical to each other so much to the point that it was just cut and pasted into UE5 with seemingly little to no polishing/optimizing. Why else would old bugs be resurfacing if it isn't something to do with the quality of the code in WCs in house version of UE5?

It's not a UE5 problem, it's something to do with the code WC themselves introduced in ASE that hasn't been corrected for in ASA.

[untold ingot]

Yeah, because that has nothing to do with the engine. Which is why I brought it up. It doesn't matter if it's ue4 or ue5 for a large portion of common ark bugs. It's due to shoddy code in house code that hasn't been fixed in a decade. Granted their code base is a lot cleaner now, but it's still far good, and that's not because their engine coders are bad. The ark engine on ue5 and it's interfaces with stuff like curse forge is actually quite good. Just the gameplay code (written in blueprints) is outdated and looks like something from 2014.

So yeah. It's not due to engine bloat, or not being optimized or anything like that. Most issues with ark are due to network code not being robust enough, and gameplay code not being updated. That is 100% on them.

The only time ue5 engine bloat is an issue is if you play on Xbox s or have a subpar pc. Otherwise it's really not an issue. Ue5 isn't a lightweight engine, but they way Asa uses it on the engine level is actually very good

[true viper]

Of course it's to do with the engine, specifically WCs version of the engine, not UE5 as a whole. That's what I've been saying this entire time. Their engine is what we experience as players.

Unrefined source code from ASE being placed into ASA and shipped. It makes for a bad quality version of a UE5 game.

[untold ingot]

No their engine is not what we experience as players lol. Gameplay code and engine code is not the same

[stray elm]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but from my understanding. There's basically three types of codes ARK uses.
There's the engine's coding itself that Epic Games made, which I believe without a licenses you can't access.
There's your own C++ coding you can apply ontop of the engines code.
Then there's blueprint graphing, in which we the community can access with the Devkit.

[untold ingot]

To a degree yes. Your own c++ code could be either engine or like blueprint graphing, but you would know the difference. Everything done in blueprints can be done in c++ calling appropriate engine code, but the reverse isn't true. So sometimes devs will just go straight c++

[stray elm]

Right.
From my understanding, Wildcard does mostly graphing, but most of the backend stuff is done in C++

[untold ingot]

Yeah, they extend the base ue5 quite a bit, but most of their gameplay code is done using blueprints (because the workflow for that is waaaaaay easier)

It is a whole separate skill though. I can code decently in like 23 languages, but I can't blueprint for a dogs fart for example.

[stray elm]

Damn, that's 23 more that I can decently write in.

[untold ingot]

At a point they are all the same. Just gotta know the basics of any low level language, then know the unique problem they try to fix.

After that it's all syntax

Blue printing though is a totally different paradigm, it's as different from writing code as a ux designer

That said, wc does have coders that make me feel like a noob

[stray elm]

How so?

[untold ingot]

Well. I don't really really know game engines and they do. And skittle is way better at network code than me

[stray elm]

Ah

[untold ingot]

Different expertise basically

That's why I gave up on trying to make mods/do games. I don't have a design bone in my body, and I am years and years and lots of motivation behind the people who do game specific code.

[stray elm]

That's understandable

[mint swan]

ark 2

or 2 ark

(follow for
more
motivational content)

[graceful glacier]

Ark 2 was the friends we made along the way

[gaunt jasper]

Man, we still talking about Ark 2? there’s no way in hell that game is anywhere near ready considering how botched of a job they’ve done with ASA

[supple cloak]

ark 2 - scam 2

[solemn sonnet]

I wonder if the devs are still set on 3rd person mode for ark2

[blissful perch]

I hope so. You get a lot more flexibility in how combat works when you can see your character’s animations

[worldly garden]

My only concern with 3rd person is building. I always go 1st person to build in Ark. Apart from that 3rd person doesn't bother me so much.

[lavish lava]

There was a YouTuber who was saying Ark 2 is likely delayed five years. WC likely haven't been working on it at all because efforts are focused on ASA right now. So WC won't really start serious development until late 2026 or so.

[surreal glacier]

doesnt surprise me, you seen how much money ark is making from the mods

[worldly garden]

The only person i saw talking about 5 years was LC, and he was basically just saying that it won't come out until at least 2027 which is 5 years from original release year.

[blissful perch]

By the time ark 2 comes to PlayStation maybe it will be closer to perfect. Hard to say

But I for one am pretty exhausted with ark 1’s gameplay loops and simple mechanics

[languid hamlet]

They’re pretty boring. Feels like most of what you do is breed, then the bosses are pretty easy and there’s nothing to really do afterwards. Hoping ark 2 changes that. The new combat system excites me

[true viper]

What's what I hope the Orcs address. It will be nice to have dynamic encounters with a humanoid faction that you can experience a more interactive combat system with.

[untold ingot]

It'll likely be done the same way as Conan for the most part, which will be a let down

[true viper]

Something I would like to see are Orc supply convoys you can raid for supplies. That way you're not always in the position of being hunted by them, you have agency to be the aggressor.

We'll have to see. Either way, what we end up getting will be an improvement so far as Ark combat is concerned

[blissful perch]

IMO they’re but one piece of the puzzle…having hitzone based combat and an actual mechanical effort associated with combat beyond mashing LMB and having higher hp/dmg numbers than your opponents would be the most critical

Much as I find the orks amusing…I think they’d probably serve a better role as a more complex and coordinated PvE encounter than as a PvE “raiding” force that’s harassing your bases all the time and forcing you to keep going back to base

[true viper]

I think they could reasonably do both

I don't see that being such a far fetched idea

[polar cobalt]

Loaded crysis? He was just saying it’s been 5 years since it’s announced I believe. Misleading title

[polar cobalt]

They’re confirmed to be orcs?

[stray elm]

They're just called that in the community because they look like Orcs.
They're actually called Aratai's.

[chilly sorrel]

i want ark 2

[polar cobalt]

I haven’t seen the trailer in forever I just assumed they were humans lol oops

[stray elm]

So far, the only confirmation of what they are where in the storepage.
Tl;dr so you don't have to go through the page, they're called Aratai's from the planet Arat, and they're natives to it.

[polar cobalt]

Ah ok thanks

[elder olive]

I never liked arks gameplay everything so stiff and buggy and janky.

[untold ingot]

Have you played Minecraft?

[elder olive]

Minecraft ain't buggy or janky.

And it was made by one person at the time.

[blissful perch]

I hear ya, but I moreso mean that the gameplay mechanics are good for a 2015 tech demo...but never really modernized as ark grew more complex

[flint juniper]

Me who can't even tame argentavis 🤡

[dense swan]

Is there any info about release date?

[delicate walrus]

U can pray for one

[mint swan]

hopefully before 2034

[solemn sonnet]

Prolly 2026 after gen2 releases

[gleaming ravine]

2027 will be a broken early access for pc , console wont be until Ps6

[worldly garden]

No

[solemn sonnet]

Late 2024

[graceful glacier]

I'll see you people in 2030

Gotta survive until then 🗣️

[unique turret]

I don't want ark 2

[untold ingot]

Don't buy it then

[shell mesa]

ark 2 mobile is dead

[fallow niche]

Mobile has nothing to do with this channel. This is for the sequel to ark survival evolved/Ascended on console/pc.

[copper iris]

I wonder if vin diesel will still be around when ark 2 drops

[left osprey]

He will since it’s for family

[graceful glacier]

Nah straight 2050 🗣️🗣️

[rotund oak]

coming soon in 5020!

[woeful creek]

I can't wait for the main guy to go "its about family" and then ride off into the sunset with his family on a bunch of raptors

[craggy ivy]

When will it release

[winged dome]

When it will release

[whole sinew]

Just Imagine The Day You See The News And You Find That Studio Wildcard Has Made An Official Announcement Of The Official Release Date Of ARK II.

[solemn sonnet]

And it gets a delay

[graceful glacier]

This game is about to be the game of the year of 2100

[solemn sonnet]

Ark winning an award, that will never happen

[serene onyx]

Exciting but then you will remember they will delay it again

[crude elm]

I don’t see ark 2 releasing before ASA releasing all the free maps, since after that there won’t ever be free maps released and paying 15$ for redesign maps isn’t gonna be enough to keep the playerbase so they’ll just move onto Ark 2. Then just let ASA sit there being milked by all the creators

[inland flame]

This game needs to just be canceled at this point :/ Release date - late 2024 now gonna be late 2027 at the earliest....

[polar cobalt]

Won’t new consoles be out by 2027 ?

[mint swan]

So it’s releasing this year right

[stray elm]

Probably not with Gen2 delayed till the end of 2026

[gleaming ravine]

Idk tbh

[reef trellis]

guys who can guess the specs that will be needed

[graceful glacier]

Ark 2 will be running on 7090 🗣️🗣️

And 12 12900X3D

🗣️

[fiery sonnet]

Who ever needs to release ark 2 when ark 1.5 makes soo much... U all know what..

[fiery sonnet]

Cuz ASA makes so much money 💵💸💰

[worldly edge]

RTX 4090 GPU if you want the low end of the gamr

[buoyant apex]

？

[whole sinew]

2028

[graceful oxide]

My prediction, the new ark you have to buy a lot of kind dino's , this ark is just a kind of proof prototype, how far people will go. I mean pyromane, dreadmare, its normal to buy skins and items on other games. Game makers are following those trends because there been a lot of money been owned by that. We people are dumb enough to buy all. Thats why the trend of buying stuff is so populair. And if Ark 2 comes out. This officials server going to shutdown to force people to go to the new ark. Same they did with ark 1. Or els it won't be a succes. So in fact you lose all you buying stuff on this game and your progress. I hope the new ark will atleast more be like as ark 1. To much in this ark don't make sense how things work and what you can do.

[blissful perch]

Not sure if I fully agree. WC has so far confirmed Asa and ark 2 will be live at the same time. I do hope they stop with the promise that progress made on officials is permanent UNLESS they make ark 2 a true MMO

[graceful oxide]

No progress can't be permanent. If your really good strong build up on this ark. Would you leave? Ofcourse not and so many others won't either. The makers know that. Thats why the shutdown the officials server few months before ASA. So people can cooldown, in the hope the come to ASA. They need as much people on there new game to be a succes. This game is not like a Call Of Duty and you going to play the new one. You have something build up here where you care about and don't want to lose. You been in a group where you like to play with and create a lot of memory's. You don't want that getting destroyed

To many already quit after ark 1

[hazy latch]

Ark 2 isn’t worth it, atleast not right now.

[blissful perch]

I’d argue ark 2 is pretty different from ark 1, so it’ll attract people who aren’t playing on officials right now

The folks who love Asa will stay over there. Only reason ase was closed for Asa was because 1) ase servers were crazy expensive because they were so old and 2) Asa basically is ase

[graceful oxide]

Just wait if ASA server will keep up, Don't think so

Activity ain't that high as ark 1

The activity numbers now it high as the moment ark 1 died

[untold ingot]

Activity split between ase and Asa is nearly identical to ase at its peak. The argument that Ark1 died isn't supported by the numbers

Just remember people were saying ase was dead since before extinction, but it's peak player count was actually in it's last year. Interest in the ark franchise hasn't decreased significantly

I do expect it'll drop off a bit as Ark2 is released, and honestly I think that's why they are releasing less official servers in Asa than ase

[sharp glade]

when is ark 2 coming out

[fallow niche]

No date yet

[pine basin]

Although I agree with you that the player count (ASE + ASA) is pretty similar to the numbers we had before ASA released (meaning the same amount of people are still interested in Ark), I don't think Ark 2 is the reason they are releasing less ASA servers. I guess the reason is ASA isn't as popular as they were expecting (for several reasons, performance probably being the #1).

About Ark 2, are you still confident it will release? I mean, they will be busy all the way through 2027 (they say Gen 2 for ASA is release in the end of 2026, but I'm sure there will be more delays). And the last time we heard about it was when they announced ASA.

I hope it will be released, but I lost my hopes in 2022.

[untold ingot]

In btt they keep with the theme of Ark2, the whole btt story is basically that Bob and meeka are on ark2 planet. So yeah, I think it'll be a thing

[true viper]

Bobs True Tales is probably going to be a more heavy handed primer for Ark 2

[untold ingot]

I suspect that

I still think Ark2 will launch after lost colony at least tho

[stray elm]

Ehh

I wouldn't hold my breath for that.

I don't know. ASA is their testing grounds, and if Bob's True Tales and Lost Colonies are to help test out features for ARK-2. I don't see ARK-2 coming out until Bob's True Tales is finished.

[solemn sonnet]

Late 2024

[true viper]

It would be nice if it launched after Lost Colony, but I suspect WC will want to add a lead into cutscene with Gen II or do something special after it launches

If the stars align and they dramatically speed up production on ASA, maybe that could be the case.

[pine basin]

Yeah, but I'm afraid they will just release the Arat map for ASA instead. I mean, It's been almost two years since they've shared any info about Ark 2. And I remember them saying, in one of the crunchs, that they would talk more about Ark 2 after ASA was released.

[stray elm]

They'll need some form of new income over time if they did this. And ASA isn't to our knowledge coded to last a decade+ of constant content being pumped into it. (ASE barely was)
So unless they're going to recode most of the backend stuff so it can support years upon years of constant expansions, then they'll need to move on from ASA at some point. Which is where ARK-2 comes into play.

[true viper]

I truthfully do not see WC releasing an Arat themed map in ASA well before Ark II. Short of the game being canceled all together (very unlikely) this would spoil Ark II in its entirety.

Based off how Dread released, I get the impression that WC is all but begging to move away from ASA and onto something completely new.

[pine basin]

I'm not so sure Ark 2 code would be that different. They are both meant to run on the UE5. I remember Atlas having pretty much the same code as ASE, WC doesn't like to be innovative. That said, I think ASA can sustain development as much as Ark 2 would.

The reason I would like Ark 2 to be released is it has a lot of new features and gameplay, which is also a negative factor, because it costs more for them.

[untold ingot]

Ue5 also runs like 50% of games ever. Atlas had the same code because it was the same people in the beginnings of their career

[stray elm]

Eh, I can see some form of prequel map set on Arat right after Gen2.
ARK-2 has like an 8ish year time jump from my understanding, so there could be differences.
The ASA Arat could be more primal and hectic since everyone is getting spawn killed by debris from the ship and new alien wildlife. While ARK-2 has more established civilizations, as humanity has slowly gotten used to living on the planet

[true viper]

UE5 isn't the problem as an engine. It's the old source code that isn't very good which is to blame. At the point in time Atlas came out, it was much more realistic to think the source code could be updated, but this far into the future from then makes that completely unlikely.

[untold ingot]

I mean, to a degree. A lot of ase source code was rewritten for asa

[pine basin]

Sure, but Like I said WC doesn't like to innovate, they will use ASA's code as much as possible (my guess).

[stray elm]

ARK-2's steampage is all about innovation

They boasted about it so much in it.

[true viper]

Right, but marketing is a thing to consider. All may not be what it seems behind the scenes.

[stray elm]

How they want to "revolutionize the survival genre"

[true viper]

I have to imagine that if WC was using a majority of the source code from way back in ASE, the game would be out by now.

Even if there was a delay.

[untold ingot]

Ase was entirely innovation, so was atlas, and the updates for mods in Asa. A loooot of innovation was done for Asa, it's just not readily apparent because it's not official gameplay and isn't visible to the gamer.

[stray elm]

Yeah, for how big they want ARK-2. It's hard to imagine they're using the ARK-1 source code for it.

[untold ingot]

Asa has a lot of potential for absolutell bangers for mods etc that it probably won't get due to the stigma against it

[stray elm]

Maybe they used it as a foundation.
But by the time it'll release, it more then likely will be completely different from the ASA source code that it's practically a whole new game.

[true viper]

They could be taking bits and pieces that are proven to be effective where found, but I have to imagine that would be very rare and incredibly isolated.

[pine basin]

I will give you the cursefoge mods, but Atlas wasn't innovative by any means. It could be an ASE mod easily.

[stray elm]

If those don't proceed to get rewritten for something more efficient later on.

[untold ingot]

The world method for it was groundbreaking at the time tho. The fact that gameplay sucked doesn't mean they didn't have phenomenonal backend devs. And they still do.

[stray elm]

You could access the ASE menu in it before it was patched out

[pine basin]

Even ASA is using a lot of ASE's code. I really believe they will port as much features, assets as possible.

[untold ingot]

Yeah, front end. But the backend was major changed

Asa was SUPPOSED to be basically ase but shiny. That was the whole premise

[true viper]

To be fair, they did it would be remade from the ground up, and they delivered on half of that.

[pine basin]

Not really, other games had cluster maps for decades. But it was a bit innovative for a survival.

I believe Ark 2 might have some innovations, but they will use as much ASA stuff as possible, I'm sure about that.

[untold ingot]

I mean, heck they even changed the pathing and player animations lol.

[stray elm]

Yeah, from what I can see from the Devkit. Most of the graphing is mostly the same, or modified to a degree. With exceptions like the Material for the landscape being completely different now.
So I can see that the "built from the ground up!" marketing ploy they used was for the backend, because there's no way they meant that for the blueprints.

[true viper]

For as good as the changes to the back end might be, what's still present on the front end is what gives players a feel for the game, and it's barely changed/improved.

[untold ingot]

The frontend of Asa is mostly a reskin, but the backend is way different

[stray elm]

Which is why a lot of the mechanical bugs exist from ASE to ASA.
Because most of the blueprints are same enough for them to be replicated from game to game.

[untold ingot]

Yeah it wasn't supposed to. If you were here when Ark2 was announced everyone was up in arms that they were changing ark. Asa is supposed to be ase but pretty

I think Asa turned out okay, and if this was someone's first glimpse at ark it would be significantly better than ase at this same time in development.

[true viper]

I remember that yeah. But at the same time, WC themselves did say that ASA would be ASE but built from the ground up. Not the same game in its entirety, but with better looking maps.

[untold ingot]

I do think ark2 will majorly alter the genre though

I don't recall them ever saying it would be built from scratch.

Nor is that feasible for a project of this size.

[stray elm]

Nah.
Them wanting to remove eating/drinking in ARK-2 kind of goes against trying to "innovate" the survival genre.
That's kind of removing aspects that makes a genre.

[untold ingot]

Yeah I didn't like that idea all that much

[true viper]

I have to imagine that they would walk that back. It's too drastic of a change away from what constitutes a survival game.

[stray elm]

Hope they go back on that and just make late-game consuming less of a chore.
I'd like if the gameplay progression slowly goes from eating to survive like in most survival games, to at the end eating for stat increases like in other survival games like Valheim or Enshrouded.

ATLAS actually had a system like that.

End-game ATLAS allowed you to cook meals that give you bonus stats.

[untold ingot]

With how bad the reception for Asa has been I really don't see them not trying to change it up. As much as people said they wanted a remaster of Asa that very much has not been the sentiment that has been seen.

This is why a company can't listen too much to its base, "give us ase but better, don't change the game ", they do just that and the response was "how dare you give us what we asked for". I really think rk2 Wil shake things0 up

[true viper]

In my honest opinion, a good majority of the player-base is too neurotic to know what they really want.

[stray elm]

Okay, to be fair. You can't listen to your entire playerbase. Because they're not a single collective minded organism.
The people that wanted ASE but better are mostly complaining now that the game runs worse then ASE.
From what I can see, most of the people who complain that they made a remake/remaster of ASE are the people who never asked for it in the first place.
This is just a good example of not being able to please everyone.

[untold ingot]

For sure. And I think almost collapsing really taught them they need a different approach

[true viper]

For better or for worse, ASA is how it is and will likely never change enough to satisfy everyone. I just hope that this recent roadmap is the definitive one up until Ark II is confirmed to be reentering production.

I have a sneaking suspicion that we'll likely learn more throughout the releases of Lost Colony and Bobs True Tales, but we'll wait and see.

[stray elm]

Well, technically that roadmap is already incorrect.

[true viper]

yippie

[pine basin]

I'm 100% sure they won't finish ASA by the end of 2026. I mean, they never delivered anything on time since 2015.

So, Ark 2 isn't coming before 2027. It wouldn't make sense to release before finishing ASA's lore. And also, they are all focused on ASA.

[true viper]

2027 does seem like the appropriate time for it to come out as of right now

[untold ingot]

If not 2027 or 2028 then it'll be safe to say it's not coming out

[true viper]

Personally, I think there's a loss of passion that people aren't really talking all that much about. The state Dread is in signals that to me. Hopefully Lost Colony changes that for players and the devs. But even from a modding perspective, after I got the cottages mod out in ASA in the state it should have been in ASE, I just felt drained.

Haven't really done much else in the way of it outside of messing around in the dev kit.

[reef trellis]

no it's innapropriate

[reef trellis]

rust took over my guy

yeah go ahead and not send that paragraph you were writing

[true viper]

My attention got redirected somewhere else. It may have over taken ASE/A so far as PvP specifically is concerned, but it wouldn't really matter much in a PvE context

With Lost Colony being a story DLC, and not just another environment for PvP (even though it will have that component) doesn't track in my view.

For PvP you may very well be right

[reef trellis]

yea

it says in your bio asa what is that

[true viper]

The current Ark game

[untold ingot]

Rust didn't take over anything

[frank trellis]

Oh waittt, is this the channel for Ark Survival Ascended?

I see it! Okay cool

[stray elm]

No

[frank trellis]

Ohh

[reef trellis]

it did

[serene bronze]

The Lost colony ?

[mortal quarry]

,

[graceful glacier]

Im really gonna become a grandpa when ark 2 drops hope my grandchildren like it

[worldly garden]

The category for this channel is Ark: The Future.... ASA is the present.

[pulsar minnow]

qui french

francais

[hallow escarp]

for real, at this rate we will get gta 6 before ark 2

[graceful glacier]

Yeah believe me it's not releasing before 2030 lmao

[hearty agate]

They could just better leave the project… no one will buy it anymore😂

[blissful perch]

I disagree…eating and drinking in ark is already extremely basic, and there’s not much gameplay around it. The core survival in ark has always been the hostile wildlife, so removing the “hope you brought some water and food” check wouldn’t change much beyond removing a chore. Assuming eating for buffs remains, since that’s another mechanic and is a common staple for survival and rpg games which has more depth

If they wanted food and water to matter, they’d need to make both more scarce (they won’t for PvP is my guess) and they’d need to add some level of engaging gameplay to those systems (again, unlikely because there’s plenty of engagement from the wildlife). It’s like a sleep mechanic that adds “realism” but practically just pisses players off by interrupting them every 10 minutes asking them to sleep

[true viper]

So long as there are other gameplay systems in place to add to the experience, stuff like that can be fun.

There was a mod in Evolved that I liked quite a bit called Survival Plus, and in that mod you had a soft energy stat, and unless you rested in either a bed or drank coffee, you would slowly build up torpor.

[spice jewel]

does anyone know when ark two will be realse

[true viper]

I personally think debuffs like that make me more present in the moment. There is an element of a survival games that require the player character to be it's own kind of antagonist/impeding force imo.

No date yet. Best guess among the general fanbase is 2027

[spice jewel]

k thank you

[true viper]

No problem

[blissful perch]

I think all those systems can work in context. Certain ark overhauls certainly could qualify

However, I’d rather the focus be on wildlife in ark 2. The player’s needs could easily (imo) be nearly zero, but they have to take care of their tames and be wary of the hostile wildlife

[winged dome]

Its not a real survival game if you aren't forced to eat 14 steaks a day.

[untold ingot]

I would do that irl if I could lol

[languid hamlet]

The way valheim does eating is nice

[blissful perch]

true, but I also think it's nice because it fits valheim

not to say such a system would be bad in ark 2

[remote ember]

Why are they not releasing a DLC? ARK2?! Has it to be a complete separate new game?

[solemn sonnet]

Ark2 will be a new game though it seems like it won't release until the rest of the maps have released for ASA

[chilly rock]

It's always been a complete separate new game

They just decided to do an Ark 1 remaster first (ASA)

[blissful perch]

this sounds like you're describing ASA

ark 2 is an entirely different game

no first person, conan/souls like combat, actual senses for the creatures, migration patterns, component based crafting with different types of wood/scrap/etc

none of these things were promised in ark 1 (ase or asa)

[untold ingot]

You dont have to buy it...

[blissful perch]

hmm. ASE in 2015 was pretty incredible all things considered

I agree it was never particularly polished, but it concepted a lot of cool stuff

[untold ingot]

Then why are you here.

[blissful perch]

imo if you want bug free you play AAA or small story games...ark is pretty complex as an indie title and it's pretty unlikely to be bug free

so I'm expecting some bugs in ark 2 for sure...I just suspect it won't be as bad as early access ase

[untold ingot]

More time like ark2 has had 🤣

[blissful perch]

i hear ya, but time in the tank is something that requires built up funds

their publisher (snail) blew a ton of the funds

and it apparently cost a ton to keep the really old ASE official servers running

...no? snail has owned WC and ark since 2016

[untold ingot]

They did...

[blissful perch]

oooh, yea that happened. But it was draining money for a long time before ASA came out

[untold ingot]

After a decade and several million dollars

War. Thunder is not snail lol

[blissful perch]

i won't defend WC entirely...they have always been incentivized by us (players) to prioritize content over polish, and they listened

but yea their publisher doesn't have much other than ark to lean on

[untold ingot]

They are a company and like literally all companies they make mistakes.

Only major mistake is making the pricing shenanigans with Asa imo. Most of the bugs are on official and that's due to servers

Unofficial Asa is less buggy than ase ever was

[blissful perch]

...well yes. However, a 10+ year trend of choices doesn't strike me as a mistake anymore. It's a fair choice given the very real pressure to produce content and make money off it (whereas polish doesn't seem to result in much monetary benefit)

that is (afaik) all on xbox

[untold ingot]

This is an industry problem not wc specific

Eh, not that big a deal though. At this point you should expect new launches to be issue laden. But they get it sorted out

[blissful perch]

it's WC specific to release velos, railguns, and other dubiously tested and ill polished things into the game for the sake of content. In addition to bugs. Yes it's industry wide, but WC has opted for a very aggressive "add it" policy - fine for a sandbox, but it has some downsides 🤷‍♂️

[untold ingot]

What's the issue with velos?

[blissful perch]

velos on extinction's launch?

[untold ingot]

If anything they were underwhelming. Weaker than ase

[blissful perch]

ase's velo launch

because they buy the game...

and a game fails if nobody buys it

[untold ingot]

Honestly I think wc should listen less

[untold ingot]

Like 6 years ago?

[blissful perch]

yes, I picked a smattering of examples

[untold ingot]

New dinos now are way more polished.

[blissful perch]

that oviraptor had super buggy taming for a long time didn't it?

nah, not possible. Cashflow was too tight

from my understanding, as far as I know (AFAIK), ase was losing money because officials cost so much

[untold ingot]

They literally couldn't have.

[fallow niche]

Can make sure to move non ARK2 convos to #general or #ark-survival-ascended.

[untold ingot]

I do like Asa I think they are doing okay with it, even if you don't like it,it was a financial necessity to make Ark2 happen.

[blissful perch]

I think asa is prolly ok, though two monetization choices for the fanastic creatures and some paid mods are a huge red flag for ark 2

I'll be pretty pissed if I see a tame in the world and get a pay wall

[untold ingot]

I'm hoping fantastic tames is a huge flop

[harsh spear]

im pretty sure ark 2 doesnt even exist. all we've seen is concept art while the game was supposed to launch in 2023.

[true viper]

Ark II's development has been rough, but it does exist. The closer we get to Genesis and Lost Colony, the more we're going to end up learning about the game, be it the story/focus of Ark II or the actual development of the game.

[fallow niche]

@fast gale #bobs-with-probs

[blissful perch]

Whenever I read that I have to ask what will come out after ASA? perhaps a sequel?

[true viper]

How do you mean?

[blissful perch]

people go "there won't be an ark 2" and I'm like "what do you think comes after ark 1? ark 3?"

[true viper]

Ah right

I won't blame people for having that notion considering how delayed Ark II is/has been

[pine basin]

You know they can just milk ASA as much as possible and call it a day, right? They don't have to release Ark 2. They completely stopped talking about it. Not even to say it's still on the table.

[blissful perch]

they won't though. Ark 1's design and mechanics are archaic

[worldly garden]

They completely stopped talking about it? The fact they said Lost Colony leads into the events of Ark 2 shows they haven't completely stopped talking about it. It's still happening.

[untold ingot]

The background of btt is that it takes place on ark2.

[true viper]

I'd argue they do have to release Ark 2.

1: Because it's been delayed repeatedly

2: It was recently given attention to in Lost Colonies announcement

3: WC can't afford to only support development for ASA as their only supported title.

There is only so much that can be added to the ASE/A formula before it becomes further antiquated.

[solemn sonnet]

They really need to double their studio to get shit done

[untold ingot]

Eh I don't really buy this argument. They had money to both make an animated show and go for 2 years with nothing while porting to ue5. Then they sold at least 5 million copies of Asa. (I'm basing this off mod downloads). So to say they don't have money to make Ark2? Yeah I don't buy it.

I would be more inclined to think they don't have the manpower

Things change. No matter the company management is overzealous. Wc is lucky it's in a field where strict deadlines arent make or break

[sonic wren]

here here for the non trust, WC has definitely let down the audience. Also factor in pvp that has run its course for a lot of people

[tribal chasm]

Well they took unofficial server playstyles and went 'well all the popular pvpers are playing here, it must be what people want'
except that style of gameplay only lasts a few weeks, for a game that is meant to last months-years at a time
They should slow things down for Ark 2

[warped delta]

Ark 2 let's go

[true viper]

So one thing I've been thinking about with Ark II is the human population on Arat. It's hard to say for certain how long humanity has been on Arat for, but one thing I would like to see are different tribes of humans that you encounter. Similar to how the Wildlings are in Game of Thrones. But if we're going to assume that Humanity has been on Arat for as long as Meekas been alive, that presumably makes it 10-14 years. Not a long enough time to justify the existence of distinguishable human tribes I think.

[untold ingot]

It doesn't take long for people to split off into different tribes, especially in a violent scenario like habitating a planet with aliens and dinosuars would bring

[true viper]

Right, but it doesn't seem like enough time to give them a rich history.

[stray elm]

A lot can happen in a decade.

[blissful perch]

@true viper am I correct in thinking that Asa has spawn “biomes” that default certain creature spawns? Or am I meeting that with ark 2?

IE if someone makes a map they can label it “swamp” and it’ll spawn certain creatures?

[solemn sonnet]

Frontiers of pandora did that nicely having many tribe camps around the map and their own missions. I'd definitely would like ark2 to be like that

Hopefully the fauna reacts more to the player

[ornate furnace]

Wait asa is not ark 2?

[winged dome]

Never was.

[ornate furnace]

so will ark 2 be based off of asa or ase

or a completely new one?

[winged dome]

Ark2 is a sequel while ASA is the remake of ASE

[ornate furnace]

Ohh okay thank you!

[raven musk]

OMG!! on the Ark 2 Steam page the publisher of Xbox Games has changed the review!! before it was "Included at the end of 2024" while now it is "Included in 2025" could this be true? if you're wondering why you don't see it, it's because you have to follow Xbox Game Pass

[solemn sonnet]

I wouldn't get my hope up

[worldly garden]

They probably just changed it because 2024 is gone. I wouldn't read anything into it.

[solemn sonnet]

Right! 2027 seems more likely

[blissful perch]

Far cry style would be alright for Aratai tbh, so I agree. I also like frontiers of pandora’s resource harvesting system

[worldly garden]

I mean considering the fact they are releasing Lost Colony in November, lets face it likely December, then I don 't see them releasing Ark 2 immediately after that.

[stray elm]

And I'm gonna be honest, I think the "leading up to ARK-2" is more of a wording issue that they mean the Genesis maps, as they also lead up to ARK-2.

[worldly garden]

You won't find the answer in the Ark 2 channel. The game doesn't exist yet.

[untold ingot]

Asa uses spawn containers, and they are namd

But I think you have to explicitly say what spawns there. It's a bit of a pain and not a super easy to use sytem

[charred flax]

Will ark 2 actually be a new game instead of the exact same one with slightly nicer graphics?

[worldly garden]

yes completely different in many aspects

[autumn raven]

I mean it’s Ark 2 not “Ark 1 but better”

Only reason they made ASA was cuz people wanted something new fast

[quartz arrow]

wait is it still in progress? i thought it got cancelled or smth thats what i heard

[stray elm]

It's still in development. It's just having a Cyberpunk situation.

[worldly garden]

yeah still in development, just not been any real news on it for a while.

[solemn sonnet]

I wonder it the devs are split or they're all in ASA

[clear oracle]

They had also said going into this that the team was still learning how to utilize the new Unreal Engine system.

[autumn raven]

Yeah lol ASA is pretty much what Minecraft was originally a test subject to learn how to properly do the shit

[clear oracle]

Exactly! Once they learn more about UE5 and release everything for it, development will continue for Ark 2

[untold ingot]

I would say they already have pretty good pipelines for ue5

[gusty quarry]

PLS add deinonychus in ark 2 or pls make it a expansion or smth

[untold ingot]

Asa will be getting deinonycbis lol, but that's not ark2

[blissful perch]

Ok so the current system is that someone would have to create a container, label it, then add stuff to it? Then they could reuse it? I assume this system ignores other ark things like temperature/biome in Asa but could in ark 2

[untold ingot]

As I understand it yes. It's a bit more effort than that since you would have to define the container on the map itself. It does take a lot of effort and as far as I know there I relatively minimal reusability when creating the map, not to mention you have to define individual spawn points, so it can be quite painful. Once all initially laid out its easier to modify though.

[blissful perch]

Gross

But if you say, modded an existing map, can you just swap out/add/remove stuff from a container?

[untold ingot]

Yeah, that's what most people do in mods or custom spawn ini. It's still gross but way less so

There is probably a better way then the are currently doing, but to keep regional spawns in correct amounts the math does get quite beefy if you try to automate it.

[blissful perch]

Hm. I was hoping such a system interacted more with a biome but it looks like it’s overlaid

[untold ingot]

It would best be considered a layer on the map, of which biome is a distinct layer. To make the two talk together takes manual effort and a lot of it

[blissful perch]

IE it looks like it’s terrain -> vegetation/rocks -> spawn containers -> temperature/weather

Yes that’s what I was thinking. You think it’s out of scope for even ark 2 to have biome and spawning talk to each other?

[untold ingot]

Now that's not to say it couldn't be procedurally automated in, but that would require a different framework behind it

[untold ingot]

Hmm, not necessarily. It's possible (see Minecraft)

It just takes new code and a different paradigm

[blissful perch]

It certainly sounds painful for all parties with how it’s currently structured

[untold ingot]

The biggest issue with spawning as nuts as ark is keeping things relatively balanced, the search algo used to track that can cause lots of lag

[blissful perch]

You mean the number of a given creature compared to others?

[untold ingot]

Yeah basically

[blissful perch]

I do wish ark 2 has less focus on cleaning out biomes and creature respawning

IE it would be nice if the creatures themselves did a better job of balancing their numbers

Obviously a pipe dream. It would help tho if players weren’t encouraged to kill everything in sight

[untold ingot]

That's significantly harder, having primitive agents self regulate is an extremely challenging problem

Computationally as bad as arks current spawning is, it's much faster and less gameplay disruptive than a procedurally allocating or agent based approach would be.

Like imagine playing then your computer freezing for 2 minutes while it tries to work through spawn calculations.

[blissful perch]

Yea i imagine you’d need ai or something capable of making that shit up on the fly

[untold ingot]

That said, it might be feasible to do a supervised learning and auto train spawns, but that has no guarantee of working and would be very very touchy

[untold ingot]

I mean, sure. But what type of Ai? Technically dinos in ark are already Ai agents, but probably not machine taught.

The amount of resources to train Ai to properly behave would be incredibly intensive, both data collection and computationally.

By and large it's much easier to just use pre-made constructs than to train an ai

[blissful perch]

I assumed a generative ai that could learn what a “biome” should look like and steward the spawns a bit more dynamically than the current system

[untold ingot]

I would not rely on that at all

Generative Ai is not reliable for stuff like that

Not yet at least

[blissful perch]

In ark’s current system maybe it could be taught to plot spawn points at the very least?

[untold ingot]

There is a possibility that it could with proper configuration with a CNN, but let's face it, wc are not ML experts

[blissful perch]

True there is the question of expertise needed to get that to work (and if the juice is worth the squeeze)

[untold ingot]

That's some highly complex math and generative Ai can barely do basic arithmetic

[blissful perch]

It can’t plot points in 3D space? That feels kinda basic but maybe I’m missing something

[untold ingot]

The better approach would definitely be just a simple CNN imo

[untold ingot]

Yeah, that's not what generative Ai is good at

[blissful perch]

Yea I’ll fully concede it may be wildly not worth it to do that

[untold ingot]

If you need to manage a critical component of your codebase. Sure use generative Ai to make the code, do not use it to directly manage things 🤣.

[blissful perch]

Fair

[untold ingot]

Word vomit is not reliable for something like that, and that's all genai is

[true viper]

Spawns are typically relative to the map itself. You can make an entry in the array, assign the container and manually prune through what spawns there and what doesn't. There's only so much I know about spawns, but it's not so simple as name it and boom.

So far as ASE is concerned, who know what's going to be the case with Ark II.

[orchid geyser]

ark 2 will be buns with no guns and im not playing

[serene onyx]

really? i think it will be nice with no guns i find bows and swords fun

[dusk cliff]

I agree

I think no guns could be fun

[true viper]

We'd still have crossbows at the very least

[dusk cliff]

I really looking forward to ark 2

[serene onyx]

same, gonna buy is soon as its out XD

[dusk cliff]

Yea hopefully there’s some kind of update on the release date soon

[serene onyx]

yeah, i mean i doubt it but maybe

[true viper]

We may hear something after Lost Colonies release date, if not pre-sale date

[serene onyx]

thats true

[true viper]

What it seems to me anyway is that Lost Colony is the beginning of the end for the wait for Ark II.

[torn bay]

Were never getting this game are we

[serene onyx]

we will

[torn bay]

Before gt6

[serene onyx]

who knows

[iron ether]

We will get it but there will be updates for updates that updated the last update

[tranquil niche]

2028 release date

[valid moat]

ark 2 says its release date is late 2024 on google

[true viper]

But did that happen?

[cobalt abyss]

The internet is always right🤣.

[lunar finch]

One day™️

[true viper]

Miss admin lady, do me a favor and tell Dollie I’ll buy her any game she wants on Steam if she leaks gameplay footage.

[lunar finch]

Does gameplay footage exist?

[hard talon]

probably not

[true viper]

You can find out

Is there a game you’ve been wanting?

[jade nimbus]

Ah yes if the studio doesn't want to release footage just bribe the employees.

Oh wait that's Heather.

Hi Heather

[jade nimbus]

That's interesting

[proper goblet]

They need to scrap ark ascendant and try to go for ark 2 at this point

[jade nimbus]

I hope ark 2 will be well-optimized

[stuck sail]

what features do you want for ark 2

[solemn sonnet]

A bit more of a complex crafting