ark-2

[astral basin]

yea I understand it better now, ASA is just an updated variant of ASE while ARK 2 is like a complete different game, but reading from the steam page ARK 2 sounds more like an combat / explorer game then really bulding bases and taming dinos (for which ARK was always known to me)

[grim kestrel]

Oh should look for community crunches, Ark 2 base building has been said it going to be more than 10x more manipulative than anything possible in ASE.

[stray elm]

ASA is more of a testing grounds for ARK-2 anyway.

[astral basin]

o well, in that case I will just shut and wait for some more info about the game x)

[tropic forge]

gotta wait to see something of ark 2 but gonna take more than one year of waiting

[astral basin]

for the time being il be purchasing ASA and just enjoy the better graphics while still playing the game I always loved

[astral basin]

true, at least we have ASA soon to spent the year 😛

[tropic forge]

news of ark 2 should come in 2025

[astral basin]

thats what I thought

[astral basin]

ain't it getting released in end 2024 🤔 (what the current expectation is)

[tropic forge]

no i personally dont believe that

[zenith otter]

ASA is Ark 2

[astral basin]

true

[grim kestrel]

Starting over on just the island at launch and gonna have rynio and charchar possibly spawning as they put them on the island for ASE would imagine they would still be there in ASA

[tropic forge]

ASA as already being delay, everything of ASA as being push back, all maps including the new one

[astral basin]

doubt that, but most I'd be looking out for in ark 2 would be new maps and base building

[zenith otter]

If they just fixed snap points for building in Ark it'd be great

[grim kestrel]

No it not. ASA is a remaster being built from scratch.

Ark 2 is a whole new game that will focus on a primitive style

[astral basin]

If that day would ever come 🥲

[zenith otter]

Which is taking priority over ark 2

[tropic forge]

damn the amount of problems ark as and just fixing snap point is enough? 🤣

[zenith otter]

then when it's a success they'll drop the idea of ark 2

[astral basin]

I'd love to not see killed dinos their bodys fly around the map like a helicopter too yea

[fallow niche]

Na, ASA is going to be played and updated alongside Ark 2

[grim kestrel]

Of course it is because it essentially a engine test for Ark 2 and a funding method for it.

[zenith otter]

Yeah okay

[astral basin]

I am afraight for it yea, even tho I'd like to see ARK 2 being build from scratch, but I guess it has its good sides

[tropic forge]

ark 2 its suppose to be build from scratch, we were suppose to get a gameplay in last march but thats when things got complicated

[grim kestrel]

Jasper out here new to the server questioning everything and everyone including mods. Imagine.

[astral basin]

😂

anyway, I am gonna head to bed, as its 3 am on me already, was fun talking to you guys and I know a lot more now, thanks for that.

[vital jetty]

Ab is the best map, so hard disagree.

[grim kestrel]

I'm not a fan of abb, but it a bit of a stretch to say delete 3 maps cause you don't like them. Everyone has their preferences and if it a map you don't care for, then either look to meet someone who does and tribe up with them where they can go there or trade for what you want off that map.

[stray elm]

They also spend money on those maps, so I doubt they'll just remove them

[vital jetty]

Ab did what every map should have done imo. Change what can go on it, and can be the meta in it. A server not riddled with fliers and gigas was amazing.

Even Gen1 did this to some extent, allowing you to HAVE fliers for breeding, but not usable. Ab should honestly do that just so it's even more viable like other maps are.

Giga can be on map, but can't attack and isn't rideable (and do the same for all other dinos).

[zenith otter]

Damn skippy 😉

We all can only speculate. Only our grandkids will be able to enjoy Ark 2 by the time it releases anyways KEKW

[grim kestrel]

It not even flyer restriction just the map design. It not appealing in the least to me and I just can't stand to look at that map.

Even on server clusters that enabled flyers I don't even play Ab

I tagged along with some people for the boss fight and haven't touched that map since.

[tribal chasm]

Well is that because you are using future maps to do what you want? Like since Gen2 especially, no need to visit Aberration at all aside from 1 or 2 things

When it came out it was essentially a high risk, high reward kinda map

[grim kestrel]

No, my main maps are Rag is preferred, extinction, and lost island

[vital jetty]

What don't you like about the map design? I find it amazing.

[grim kestrel]

It looks an irradiated nuke with skittle colors went off in that map with an emp effect keeping it dark.

Looks like someone used a color wheel and just pointed to something blindfolded to determine what color something is, obnoxiously dark, and irradiated areas,

[vital jetty]

I find the color scheme fine overall good. What part of the map were you in lol

[plucky mountain]

So you’re a rat lol

[stray elm]

If that's your logic, 90% of the playerbase are rats.

[vital jetty]

If by rat you mean owning Shadow Cave and Fertile lake Entrance, then I suppose.

[verbal wind]

i like ab fine except when it comes to getting between the zones. without a rock drake it takes forever to get back and forth, especially going to and from the red

[regal light]

ab best map

[verbal wind]

i put it above gen 1 worst and then scorched earth

[grim kestrel]

Lost island the best map, 5 castle ruins to build on and make use of, not to mention a handful of caves

[verbal wind]

center is my favorite

then rag, from there it's the other maps without particular order

i put val as 4th least favorite because it gets old fast and constantly has lighting bugs

[grim kestrel]

Val a good contender, but kind of need an unofficial server with cave building on for those castle ruins. Helm's Deep dugout can't be built in without cave building on.

[verbal wind]

when val came out that was such a huge letdown

it was nice to have a new helm's deep in Fjordur to build in though i don't like how you have to wall off the top portion and ruin the overall look of it

[grim kestrel]

Ruins were my favorite base locations, enjoyed trying to build off of them

[verbal wind]

there's one space on the center that's my favorite to build, a set of ruins just across the water from the blue obelisk island just north of the skull volcano

it's nice and tucked away, very safe, very close to a lot of resources and the cave nearby is usually one that overspawns like shit so it's easy to level dinos fast

[plucky mountain]

I love scorched

[verbal wind]

i would be ok with SE if it weren't for the weather events

namely, the dust storms

[plucky mountain]

Like the lighting storm I’m currently dealing with lol

[verbal wind]

also yes

[plucky mountain]

Can’t cryo my stuff 🙄

So I’m watching a scorpion and a vulture 1v1 to pass the time

[verbal wind]

i mostly hate the dust storms because it basically forces you to hunker down and go idle for like five minutes

especially if you're away from base

[plucky mountain]

Lv 85 scorpion and a lvl 90 vulture place your bets

[verbal wind]

the heat storm i can deal with after i get really good desert gear, by late game i barely even notice except for everything getting suddenly hard to see because the wave effects are dialed up way too high

i don't really spend a lot of time on SE except to get wyverns and kill the manticore, so i place it higher than gen1

gen1 is the only map i hate

which is a damn shame because inversely it has the best boss fight in the game

the CMC fight is some of the most fun i've had playing Ark

[lime forge]

Agreed

[verbal wind]

it just sucks because you have to go through gen1 to do it

[lime forge]

The only thing about gen1 I didn’t like is biome segregation

[verbal wind]

that's probably the worst thing about it

that could have been handled so much better

i imagined the ocean biome as being an all-over biome with a central island hub, with entrances for each of the other biomes set up like the proto-arks on extinction

i think that would have been an amazing way to handle it, especially if they were treating the genesis simulation/map as a 'video game world'. having a central travel hub would have been in keeping with that theme

and we wouldn't have had to rely on teleporting across the map in a game that is very much NOT optimized for popping across the map. anytime i go into a boss fight teleporter i have my fingers crossed the game isn't going to crash

[potent hull]

all i am hoping for in ASA IS 1 less bugs then ark has now 2 not being kick off the game when fly or when events are going on in game

[winged dome]

Biome Teleportation is bleh, and not a fan that more maps are starting to adopt it (Fjordur)

But the worst part about Gen1 for me was the repetetive missions. If you clear Alpha then you should at least get credit for the other difficulties so you're not repeating the same mission 3 times...

[tropic crag]

[manic panther]

I loved Gen1, great for resources, breeding, the missions took time to master. And that feeling you had when you finished a biome of never going back there

[blissful perch]

Great for breeding 🪦

[vital jetty]

Why do you hate Gen 1? I also liked that map xD

[plucky mountain]

As long as the main issue is fixed and that’s stegos

[vital jetty]

Point market did allow for Meat/Berry buying w/o having to leave base. So was nice in that regard when mass breeding lol

[near shale]

gen 1 and 2 are s tier maps, nuff said

[vital jetty]

I love Gen 2 overall, but the amount of mesh holes makes it a solid F tier.

The amount of people my group had to fight who were living in the mesh, or hard meshing us was astronimically high compared to any other map before.

[near shale]

ah i suppose im seeing this from the lens of a SP/PvE player, that is a very reasonable criticism

[vital jetty]

don't get me wrong without those issues it's one of my favorite maps

My group had the entire underwater spot with the cube. All main entrances turreted off, but we also had, and this is no exaggeration, 12 or 13 spots turreted off as best we could, that were mesh hole entrances people were using, and people were still meshing to get in. a dude made a video on a crazy amount of mesh holes in Gen 2 and we probably missed 8+, and that's just for one spot lol.

So I REALLY hope ASA takes care of mesh holes (which is should given the options it has to utilize)

[grim kestrel]

Something that would be a nice addition if they could make it work is an added structure if not by Wildcard but maybe a mod, I'd potentially even be okay with it under premium mods.

Have a structure that worked as a merchant where you put in what you want to sell and you can set it for any resource and any amount of that resource you want for it.

If someone doesn't have the required resource amount it would say "Insufficient Resources" and if they do when they double click on the item it would automatically take the resources off of them and put it in storage section of the merchant structure and give them the item they bought.

[tropic forge]

UE5 should take care of mesh right, whit nanite devs should have a clear sight if theres holes

[vital jetty]

I'd assume UE5 also has the checkbox for mesh holes, as future versions of UE4 did.

[vital jetty]

Eh, Part of ark (imo) is doing those trades already, without some building to automate it.

It's a risk-"reward" thing. Most people won't trick or scam, but some will.

[grim kestrel]

Those will still happen it would be more to set up stuff while offline and this is more PvE I admit considering people just raid for stuff in PvP

It'd just be nice to be able to put stuff like that up to passively sell and save dino trades for in person

[vital jetty]

People trade all the time in PvP. It's just a matter of getting scammed or not (most don't scam, as it's a solid way to get wiped).

[grim kestrel]

Maybe someone who uses the new mod system will do something like that.

[near shale]

Auction house mod

[grim kestrel]

I'd check something like that out, had one server where the owner built a phenomenal looking auction house and held them periodically, it was nice to take dinos and put them up and see what others brought as well.

It's nice to find a Role Play direction PvE server where people routinely look toward others in the community for stuff they don't usually focus on and it allows people to do what they enjoy more than something they don't typically do

[winged dome]

Revitalized RP community is my biggest hope for ASA. Its so dry right now with only 2-3 populated servers

[azure heron]

When does ark ascended come out?

[near shale]

There is a fairly popular auction house mod for ASE already

I do not use it so im maybe not the best person to talk about it but still.

[split dove]

end of october as described in the latest community crunch in #announcements

[astral basin]

just wondering, will official servers come back to ASA? As ASA only allowed unofficial hosting on Nitrado didn't it?

[grim kestrel]

Yes there will be official on ASA, that the reason official is closing on the 30th

[astral basin]

aa all right, thats great

[grim kestrel]

I expect official to be a little less popular though unless they have some official servers where WC chooses certain mods to be added.

I'd expect unofficial to probably be more popular with the use of cross platform modding and cross play.

[astral basin]

yea I get that, but I my self always liked official or self-hosted more, as they don't wipe and are not relying on someone paying their invoices

[honest turret]

Hello

[split dove]

crossplay and crossplatform mod will also eventually take people away from official as well

[grim kestrel]

The servers I always looked for never wipe as long as there is a healthy player community. Just make sure it a discord ran one that usually helps ensure that.

[grim kestrel]

And hello

[vital jetty]

The beginning of ark more were on Official than unofficial, and for some time it remained a close 50-50. Many left official because of the exploits/cheating. If most of that is toned down significantly, I see Officials regaining a lot of attention again. Especially with Smalls being a thing from the jump.

[astral basin]

I searched for those too in the past, but never really found any, and even then it was almost impossible to find an unofficial server with only mods you like, as I my self like the unmodded gameplay a lot, mods like S+ and stuff are handy, and I won't say no to them, but a lot of servers those days have modded so much that it becomes boring, with complete shops and stuff

but thats my opinion

[grim kestrel]

As Flops pointed out like I did. ASE isn't cross play unless you count windows and Xbox.

ASA being cross play and cross platform modding that a pretty significant feature that will add weight to the scale on top of the continued weight you just mentioned where it will still pose exploits and borderline cheating, mega tribes, land grabbing, etc.

[vital jetty]

That's certainly one way to put words in my mouth.

[grim kestrel]

Not what I did? But okay. Just adding on to the discussion as I think opposite might happen and unofficial may launch out the gate with more attention.

I never tried small tribes so I really don't know the extent of it, but from what I have read here it sounds like it might be the the popular side of official (imo)

[vital jetty]

saying "on top of the continued weight you just mentioned where.." and then listing a bunch of things, implies I mentioned those lol.

[grim kestrel]

That because that still going to be a deciding factor but now there a giant factor being added which means the scale of deciding official or unofficial tilts further toward unofficial looking at those aspects

[vital jetty]

I didn't say it did or didn't? I said you listing those after saying it's something I mentioned, implies i said those when I didn't.

Especially when I think the opposite and think officials will be more populated than before due to the fixing of exploits and cheats.

[south lance]

in a while at least

[grim kestrel]

If I was going to imply you said something I would of been like "As Berserker said". Saying "on top of the continued weight you mentioned" simply means it still going to be a factor to some extent. People are still going to be looking for whatever they can official wise.

Then I continue on with other stuff I know from being a factor that played a part in why I and others I played with went to unofficial as well as new factor that most likely to shift scale even further.

[split dove]

then you're in luck as asa is gonna ad the content to the game the same way ase did (Island -> scorched -> aberration -> Extinction -> Gen 1 - Gen 2 with the free dlc maps inbetween each one iirc)

[grim kestrel]

The Island (Released at Launch at the end October 2023)
Survival of the Fittest: The Island
Scorched Earth (Release in December)
Ragnarok & Aberration (Released by Q1 2024)

Extinction, Genesis Part 1, Genesis Part 2, and all the community-created maps are also to be released over time in 2024 (Fjordur, Ragnarok, The Center, Lost Island, Valguero, Crystal Isles)

Latest crunch in #announcements confirmed it is end of October

Someone in the regular ark channel gave a plausible prediction could be 24th launch and WC sets up Fear Evolved on the 31st since most of their updates always fall on a Tuesday.

[tropic drum]

@grim kestrel that'd be pretty cool.

[grim kestrel]

UE1 created in 1991, UE2 in 1998, UE3 in 2004, UE4 in 2005, UE5 in 2020

Looks like UE3 was not exactly an engine proud of with the shortest life span, but 15 years from 4 to 5. So who knows maybe UE5 will have another 15 year life span.

I googled history of Unreal Engine and that what I found, I was curious after seeing your post there

It a pretty big read about UE4, even with nitro I can't copy paste the whole thing in one post 😂

[untold ingot]

Like 24 of them

[blissful perch]

If your issue was alpha tribes I suspect you’ll be disappointed. Asa has not yet pitched any design or balance changes aimed at reducing the influence or capacity for megas and alphas

I’d bet comfortably that it will be nearly identical to ASE after a few months. Best to wait for ark 2 if that’s the hang up

[bitter knoll]

yeah especially with teh contract nitrado has them under to take control of all ASA and ASE commercially hosted servers

only thing outside nitrado will be private servers

[desert swallow]

You're not quitting your job so you can become alpha?

[blissful perch]

Shoot you caught me 😛

[blissful perch]

That has nothing to do with…player made alpha and mega tribes

[bitter knoll]

sorry i was replying to something said earlier, i should have used the reply

[winged dome]

Delays are lies? Thats a new take 🤔

[stoic shadow]

quick sell your wildcard stock. (those who are smart will buy)

[bitter knoll]

to be honest WC has never released anything on the initial release date, everything has always been delayed

[bitter knoll]

its actually Snail Games stock, and why would you they are about to go bankrupt being 9 million in debt

[stoic shadow]

do you know the special people that always turned things in late if at all in school. I wounder if that is who wc hired to make the game.

[stoic shadow]

that they are.

[bitter knoll]

to be honest they dont utilize their assests correctly, I mean Cedric one of the best hires was put in public relations rather than coding and design, when he designed survival of teh fittest

[stray elm]

Cedric didn't work on Survival of the fittest though?
He worked on Primitive+

[stoic shadow]

that game I did not like very much.

[bitter knoll]

i mean it would be good if they sell out to another company because then you get huge returns on your dividends but if tehy file bankrupt you just lose monry

[bitter knoll]

its a stateent that one of their better design people is being used in public relations rather than design, they are famous for hiring great talent and then not utilizing them in a role best suited for them

[stoic shadow]

what is good is subjective backed on the person point of view. Both games delevement and art share that element. Thus making games is a form of art. From my point of view it was made to a lower standard.

[bitter knoll]

yeah well it is what it is at this point, just wondering how everything is going to play out with Ark 2 if they go bankrupt

I am looking forward to ark 2

but worried

[stoic shadow]

There is a big fan pool. maybe they could be saved from crowd founding and taking better care of people that buy their games. Right now they see us not as humans play a great game but as dollar sgins to make them rich.

[bitter knoll]

I agree but teh problem with crowd funding is the crowd has to have faith in you building a good product, and if you go under they invested in a loss

and too many are familiar with WC to believe in funding them lol

just too unreliable and dont listen to their player base

[stoic shadow]

new management may fix it. at the same time it is hard to change ingrained views and cumpany policy

[bitter knoll]

yeah kinda wondering how teh talks with microsoft are going, its rumored that microsoft want to buy them out, but still just a rumor

[stoic shadow]

EA runies everything they touch. I hope they don't

[bitter knoll]

i agree microsoft is not the best solution but since they have invested more than 10 million in ark so far over teh years it would make since, they have a huge investment to lose

[stoic shadow]

so you are buying stocks now?

[bitter knoll]

nope not until i hear that talks are official, then grab them like crazy for the dividends payout

[tropic crag]

Some goofy stuff in here today, jeez

[untold ingot]

That's a player rumor, not a Microsoft one

[ruby badger]

Bence Mor deri rengi gelmeli.

[untold ingot]

Arkpoc

[pine basin]

Not even a rumor… just wishful thinking. They are like “If we don’t buy it SG will need to sell their IP”. Sure…

[tropic crag]

Typical delusional "fan" behavior. I saw that guy who stalked the animators of the show on linkedin make 2 of the same post on completely false pretenses about the state of the show, even though he was banned months ago and therefore has no idea what's actually going on lmao (we don't either, but the comments he made were quite delusional, as redditors tend to be)

[blissful perch]

When the goal is attention rather than accuracy we find ourselves here

[tropic crag]

It's a sad state of affairs, but it's the hand we're dealt 😔

[blissful perch]

Of the greatest challenge facing the human race, the internet is one of them

The environment another. No other species on earth has been aware of their global impact (though others have caused irreversible and permanent changes to our planet like humans have) - the question is…will we be the first animals to actually band up and fix what we did? I suppose that also applies to the Internet

[tropic crag]

True and real

[blissful perch]

The rise of “chat room” socializing replacing real socializing is a wild thing. Imagine the ark 2 chat in like…2008. I wonder how much less hostile it would have been

[lime forge]

Less hostile?

I personally would have swung on at least 9 people in the first week.

[south lance]

800 million in sales but an 8 million loan is gonna be the problem ya

[blissful perch]

Why are people so trusting

@lime forge you’re old - was this always the case?

I feel like I could say ark 2 removed PvE and people would believe me

[lime forge]

Was what always the case?

Gullibility? Absolutely.

Especially if it came from tv or newspapers. The internet just broadly expanded people’s options. Nothing has changed.

And I’m NOT old, I’m 32

[blissful perch]

Fair enough

[astral token]

So you are old

💀 🤣

[daring dagger]

🤣

[rancid harness]

Lol we're old, friend. The second you hit 22 you're irrelevant and uncool.

[winged dome]

I was irrelevant and uncool way before then

[split dove]

i will be like the egyptian pharaohs, wrapped up and buried eventually as well

[astral token]

A day will come, when all the ARK chatters will be gone

But it is not this day

Or any day in the near future

[daring dagger]

no need for deep stuff in a discord server about a dino game with an epic soundtrack

[astral token]

So let us keep for ASA

[astral token]

The epic soundtrsck invokes deep stuff

[daring dagger]

especially extinction

[jagged zodiac]

Ab>

[daring dagger]

i didnt say extinction is best

i like ab more as well

[winged dome]

Extinction needs light/heavy variants, and unique themes for desert/snow. Forest also seems a bit too chaotic for an overall chill biome, but otherwise Ex soundtrack slaps

Ab King though

[grim kestrel]

Extinction one of my top maps

May become the top map if they announce Thylacosmilus Atrox as the winner of the creature vote tomorrow

[winged dome]

None of the creatures this vote really stood out to me

They're all just meh

[astral token]

Based funny cat enjoyer

[daring dagger]

i just hope for not dreadnoughtus at this point

[grim kestrel]

Hatzegopteryx Kukulkan is probably the second one, beyond that the rest are meh to me as well

[winged dome]

I didn't even look at any of the submissions past dossier pics

Voting page should seriously have working links to the submissions ... having to copy/paste every time is annoying

[tropic forge]

not a single community creature as made sense for each of the maps and some that did dint get pass 3dr round

[astral token]

No?

[lunar citrus]

eh?

Faslosuchus is a desert swimmer, perfect for SE. Center has one of the biggest ocean focuses of all the maps, so a big ass whale makes sense. Aberration is perfect for weird lil dudes like whatshisface

[thick tulip]

truth. no more sauropods

[winged dome]

Yi-whateveritwas seems to get a lot of odd hate for some reason. I dunno though, I actually liked it 🤷

All the other votes seem pretty fitting, though I would have been pretty upset if the Cheetah won on the Center or at all

[tropic forge]

creatures that won they win by the op abilities not how they fit on the map or if the abilities would made sense for that map, and before you go whit center giant whale to be use as semi mobile base you will change opinion once you play whit it

[winged dome]

You do realize WC sets the abilities, right? The submissions are just for inspiration, but ultimately it's WC that puts them in the game with whatever changes they deem fit

Hence why Rhynio suddenly went from Carno-sized to Rex-sized seemingly out of nowhere

[blissful perch]

I am a little sad the amphibious mount submissions didn’t win for the center

Also a bit irked another raptor was added for Ab. That map has so much potential and imo it’s a bit wasted on another bleed raptor…that creature could have been slapped anywhere

[tropic forge]

raptor? looks like a stupid bird that shoots feathers, that alone made a huge impact for me, the spider that could hypnotize was the perfect creature for ab

[slow sonnet]

joose

[blissful perch]

I agree the jumping spider (abilities aside) was a better pick. Ark needs more three dimensional arthropods

[winged dome]

Arthropleura is kinda flat, but last I checked it's 3d ...
/j

[tropic forge]

even the spider form was perfect for ab

[winged dome]

I'm hoping the abilities/submissions that aren't picked are used as future TLC ideas for creatures that seriously need it. Araneo being a great example

[lunar citrus]

If the spider was picked we'd be having a discussion about how yet another bug was the worst choice qnd it should have been the cool wall climbing raptor

[blissful perch]

I’d be on the other side of that debate for sure - that of arguing in favor of the spider

[thick tulip]

at least the spider was a real-world creature, per the rules for submission...no such thing as a Yi Ling

[blissful perch]

Ark needing more arthropods is still true

[blissful perch]

I do kinda think that the fantasy/real life creature line being blurry is both good and kinda tough to navigate

[lunar citrus]

Its based on yi qi

Species being mutated to the point it's something else fits very well with aberrations themes. And several of its own creatures

[winged dome]

Aren't a few of the other creatures in Ark basically described as 'close, but technically it's a different species'

[blissful perch]

See here. Yes there’s a blurred line

I wouldn’t say Yi Qi should have been disqualified. I’m just a bit disappointed about it winning

[thick tulip]

fair point. castoroides never built dams, hyaenodon were not even related to hyenas, dilophosaur looked nothing like JP dilos (and never spit venom), not to mention all the size discrepancies

i did vote for Yi Qi, but only because i wanted Yi Qi...not the abovementioned mutant Yi Ling lol

[winged dome]

That's why I try not to get too hung up on the 'real world' details. All these critters are genetically modified monstrosities anyway - and that's before mutation stacking 😂

I just turn off the 'but realism!' part of my brain, dinosaur game go brrrrr

[split dove]

we got monkeys that can disabled high tech armor with their poop, nothing makes sense 😂

[blissful perch]

Sometimes I care. Depends a lot on the specific submission tho imo

[winged dome]

I still think WC should have kept with general map themes for the submissions - not forcing real world creatures. Scorched brought Wyverns, Golems, Phoenix, and Manticore - that vote should have allowed fantasy creatures. Ab has stuff like Reapers and Seekers, something alien could fit. Genesis 1 and 2 could have some really out there options/hybrid creatures

[soft kettle]

Where can i see a breakdown for new ark news?

[thick tulip]

physics engine aside (which should be fixed with UE5...grapples!), i dont particularly wanna suspend realism concerning dinos in a dino game, but i get what you mean

[grim kestrel]

Keep an eye on #announcements channel as it comes up, but here a basic run down of information known for ASA from 4 different Community Crunches and Ark 2 from Microsoft Xbox's website...

ASA
ARK: Survival Ascended will now be a standalone package released on every platform (PC Windows/Steam, Xbox Series S/X, and PlayStation 5) at $39.99.

The package will include the following pieces of content built-in (not sold separately), with each remastered and altered for the next-generation on Unreal Engine 5: w/Cross Play and Cross Platform Modding

The Island (Released at Launch at the end __October 2023__)
Survival of the Fittest: The Island
Scorched Earth & Transfers (Release in December)
Ragnarok & Aberration (Released by Q1 2024)

Extinction, Genesis Part 1, Genesis Part 2, and all the community-created maps are also to be released over time in 2024 (Fjordur, Ragnarok, The Center, Lost Island, Valguero, Crystal Isles)

---

ARK 2
Coming day one to Game Pass
Console ● PC
No official release date ● Currently slated target for 2024

Cross-platform modding and next-gen tech
User-created Mods & Maps are now distributed across all platforms, including modded unofficial servers! Using Unreal Engine 5, new lighting systems enable photorealistic day-night cycle, with real-time generation of ambient lighting & shadows.

Best-in-class, third-person action
Advanced character traversal mechanics like mantling, free-climbing, parkour, sliding, and swinging! An emphasis on ‘Souls-like’ melee combat driven by player skill, with target-lock, blocks, dodges, combos, staggers, and special attacks.

Dynamic alien world
Explore a mysterious world where events happen independent of your presence, and your choices to interact with these occurrences yield rewards or challenges. Hostile ‘Aratai’ hunt you riding tamed creatures, seeking to drive out human interlopers.

Rearchitected gameplay
Construct unique gear from distinct modules & materials to customize form & function. Progress on a skill tree filled with abilities, perks, & passives. Animals use dynamic pathfinding to maneuver around obstacles, and hunt by sight, sound, & smell.

(Ark 2 information come from Microsoft Xbox's website where they were given details to advertise.)

[soft kettle]

What is the release date of asa

[grim kestrel]

Read the top of the post where it shows map releases?

[soft kettle]

Thanks boss

[blissful perch]

There are a very small number of fully accurate creatures in ark

[soft kettle]

Will asa be on game pass

[grim kestrel]

[Insert maximum effort gif here]

[split dove]

we don't know, but it's planned for the end of october as described in the latest community crunch in #announcements

[blissful perch]

I kinda want to know why it matters if it’s known to be on gamepass ahead of release

[split dove]

it doesn't, case closed

[blissful perch]

Do you not just…check gamepass day 1? You know the key question of “is asa on Xbox” ahead of time anyway

[grim kestrel]

Most likely a contractual obligation

[blissful perch]

I didn’t ask “why is it there”. I asked “why do people care ahead of release”

[grim kestrel]

Not exactly, you asked "why it matters if it known" not specifically why people care until this post

[blissful perch]

“Known” here means “known publicly”

[grim kestrel]

That not the only way the word "known" can be used. But okay

[blissful perch]

The implicit assumption is that WC can’t release asa on gamepass without their knowledge (because it makes no sense)

So they’d always “know”. The group that wouldn’t “know” is the public

[grim kestrel]

🤔

[winged dome]

If they need to factor into their budget the high cost of buying a game or not

Games are expensive on allowance money

[blissful perch]

You almost lost me until this raw throwback to when I didn’t have income

[plucky crow]

I got a question if anyone can answer it idk if it's to early but is there an early access for ark 2 ?? just curious

[split dove]

unless it changes in the time between now and Ark 2's release it's still intended to be a early access release. the early early access for ark 2 was part of a bundle including Ark Ascended and Ark 2 that was scrapped and will no longer be happening

[winged dome]

Probably why there's no Playstation release planned yet since Sony has a thing against Early Access titles

[split dove]

alongside the timed launch exclusive deal made between Wildcard and Xbox

[agile tusk]

@cunning talon will ASA increase the ammount of players in small tribes or will it be the same 6man only?

[civic temple]

Any more than 6 doesn’t make it small does it

[pine basin]

You mean late access, right? 🌚

[pine basin]

It’s because MS signed exclusivity with wildcard

[winged dome]

Probably part of it, but I don't think that would stop WC from saying Ark2 will come to PS at a later date

But as of now, still just PC and Xbox

[grim kestrel]

As someone familiar with a company using time exclusive contracts being Rockstar Games, not typically how that works.

It usually obvious it will release, but the way that contract treated they usually just wait until tail end of contract to reveal a release date to the other platform.

In RG case it usually one year. Not sure what kind of agreement WC and MS made up to have it PC and Xbox only temporarily.

[pine basin]

All games with temporary exclusivity are announced like that. The studios won’t say they plan to bring it to other platforms in the future.

But yeah, I believe it will come eventually to the PS, but they won’t say it officially

[winged dome]

I don't usually pay too much attention to it, but do other games specifically say they're timed exclusives? Ark2 did say that

[pine basin]

No, they don’t. It’s probably on their deal they shouldn’t say it’s timed.

[grim kestrel]

I imagine it must of been a pretty substantial deal that benefits WC cause for a game like Ark especially when Ark 2 going to be cross platform play is going to be a big disadvantage on any PS players when they do get it.

[pine basin]

I know the release of starfield skyrocketed Xbox sales

Unfortunately exclusivity is good for them

[grim kestrel]

That also a single player game

[pine basin]

But I don’t believe Ark is on the same level of a Bethesda game. This specific deal probably won’t have a huge impact.

[blissful perch]

Here’s hoping ark 2 has a wipe when PS gets access

[pine basin]

I doubt it, they will probably just add more servers

[blissful perch]

Luckily idc, but you’re prolly right

[grim kestrel]

That would be a better solution, a wipe would harm their existing player base more than balance it for PS.

[blissful perch]

It does suck for PS folks looking to try official

Maybe mutations won’t exist so the extra time Xbox and PC players get won’t be abused as badly

[vital jetty]

EA means subject to change upon official release if they state in the beginning they plan to wipe on official launch, then anyone being upset only has theirselves to blame.

[blissful perch]

They honestly SHOULD wipe a few times during early access, since that will allow them the ability to make critical changes to the game without worrying about player data. PS release would be a good spot for that

[pine basin]

New servers are usually kept outside the old network for a while. At least that’s what they do for new maps. Maybe they will do that when PS servers release.

[winged dome]

Get a better feel for how progression will change with updates and balance passes

[pine basin]

If they repeat ASE, they won’t

[blissful perch]

They could do the legacy server approach ig, which WAS functionally a wipe

[pine basin]

I remember 1 wipe in the beginning

[grim kestrel]

Mutations if done off of decision while raising I believe would be better. Have it be a 2-3 choice off of a potential stat, and it just random which of the three options you choose from during imprints.

So instead of imprints being a standard boost to all stats have it be an RnG of choosing what kind of imprint to do based on what that particular imprint offers you in 2-3 choices

[pine basin]

Even for the final release, they opted to release new servers, segregated from the old ones

[vital jetty]

Most legacy servers were completely abandoned. It also isolates the player base, at least in regards to officials.

[pine basin]

That’s more possible

[pine basin]

But that’s a way to wipe without all the backlash 😂

[vital jetty]

They'll get backlash no matter what. Keeping up the legacy servers was ultimately pointless.

[blissful perch]

I’m not saying it was good or bad, however it was how WC chose to handle a functional “wipe” of their officials

[vital jetty]

A simple statement of "Will wipe upon full release" means anyone getting upset by it only has themselves to blame for it

[vital jetty]

They had to, since they said servers wouldn't wipe upon actual release, until they realized how bad that is for an official launch

[winged dome]

Won't stop them blaming WC for not paying attention 😂

[grim kestrel]

That one way to settle it

[blissful perch]

Tbh they should do early access wipes as often as they feel is absolutely necessary to ensure new features and content are added smoothly and functionally

[pine basin]

Not at all, no one really complained they would release new servers. People just moved and they were able to wipe the old servers.

[blissful perch]

@tropic crag weren’t you on legacy? Was it ezpz with no complaints?

[pine basin]

They should, but they didn’t in the past

[blissful perch]

Correct. But they did soft wipe lol. If your base was in a spot of the island that got changed, your stuff was gone

Rip the people who lived in the NW when the snow biome dropped, or the place that’s now the redwoods

[pine basin]

Half of the people said they would stay on the old servers but they moved after a few weeks/months

[vital jetty]

You weren't playing in megas then. Near every mega was complaining legacy servers would essentially not be officials anymore. And that was almost every mega, not just 1 or 2.

And that's not accounting for all the other tribes who had issues with it as well. THere's a reason so many left Legacy almost immediately.

[pine basin]

Just for the swamp and redwood

[blissful perch]

Snow came first

[split dove]

snow and swamp in the same update

[pine basin]

Did the snow biome changed anything besides the snow coverage?

That regional wipe I don’t remember

[winged dome]

Mountain heights, added ice areas like north middle coast and middle west coast

[pine basin]

Oh, maybe that was it, I was near the swamp, that one affected me, but don’t remember the snow biome affecting people.

[split dove]

there was a second area turned into more of swamp later on

[pine basin]

Anyways. Total wipes only happened once, I guess. They’d rather rollback than wiping.

[blissful perch]

Yes. Dollie herself said this has actually slowed/stalled and outright prevented certain changes from going live

Which makes sense and also infuriates me lol. Early access should be a malleable enough time period where devs shouldn’t feel trapped in choices made years prior

[vital jetty]

I don't recall a total wipe at all. I just recall them warning people to move bases before certain areas were changed lol.

[blissful perch]

Legacy loosely = total wipe

[vital jetty]

I wouldn't call that a total wipe. Total wipe implies completely wiping ALL servers. All servers weren't wiped. New ones were just created.

Personally that's how I see it anyhow

[blissful perch]

It was a wipe of all the old version servers. Idk…seems pretty close to me

(As legacy servers closed)

[vital jetty]

Anyone could join the legacyservers, and people didn't have to leave them, so it's not a wipe lol

[pine basin]

I mean that one:

“6/22/2015 PvP Wipe is complete. Welcome to your brave new ARKs!
Just a final update here, the pvp wipe should be complete now. If you have further problems, please let us know.

We look forward to seeing what new and amazing creations you guys forge on your new ARKs!”

It was like a month after release

Because of dupers I think

[vital jetty]

That's fair. I think I started playing like 2 months after, so didn't even see that ha

[pine basin]

I don’t count that as a wipe, because they released new servers instead

[grim kestrel]

It was only PvP then wasn't it?

[pine basin]

Yeah, pve wasn’t affected

People were using glitches or something

I don’t remember the exact reason

[vital jetty]

It's semi funny only because there was still massive dupes and glitches when i joined after the wipe..

[blissful perch]

Very early ark was very very bad

Then again I’m generally stunned most folks play serious PvP with the number of wild bugs and such the game has in 2023

[vital jetty]

Iwouldn't necessarily say anyone in 2023 has been playing it SERIOUSLY.

[blissful perch]

Don’t lie to me. But I’m glad you’re in the sane camp

[grim kestrel]

It unfortunate that you really can't enjoy an honest online experience mostly effecting PvP as there is always people who want to reach to top and claim their "the best" even when they use the cheapest methods to do so they possibly can.

(Off topic, but partially related to end result)
Arcade fighting game recently released is completely buried further than any game I've ever seen. AEW Fight Forever it released with a concept to be a pick up and play and ended up being an experience that only reward the worst of people, 3 months that game has less than 10 people playing it on any platform.

I mentioned that cause of where legacy servers got mentioned being abandoned. People enjoy taking the easy route until they only get met with people who do the same thing and realize just how unfair it is and they will eventually quit as well.

[blissful perch]

You KNOW some folks are out there sweating their minds away

[vital jetty]

Just watching YT videos of people playing in 2023 it doesn't seem like anyone on PvP is truly taking it seriously. But that's just my take on it. Maybe they're hardcore PvPing more than they would have, but it hasn't seem like it was in the past.

[blissful perch]

It’s certainly not peak PvP sweat hours like it once was, I can’t argue with that

[vital jetty]

Topic change: Can we vote to get gigantoraptor for Island instead of Rag.
I want my easier baby raising sooner, not having to wait until after Gen 2 lol

[blissful perch]

Rag is after gen 2??

[vital jetty]

That's how I took the one update on the CC

hold on I'll quote it in a sec when I find it

[grim kestrel]

Rag is set to be introduced with Abb in Q1 of 2024

[vital jetty]

Yeah, I think I misreas sommewhere, or somewhere they had it stated weird.

[winged dome]

Other community maps don't have an official timeline yet

Afaik

[grim kestrel]

I hope Rag maintains it release date, that my preferred home base map

[blissful perch]

I do think it’s funny how essential transfers became to basic gameplay over the years

[winged dome]

Rag overrated imo, but das just me

[blissful perch]

Back in 2015 you had one map at a time with one character…a “home base map” was never a concept

You just…played the map, then tried another one from scratch 😛

[grim kestrel]

Rag is the best design map (imo) it has a more realistic flow of biomes and such I think as well as they feel approiately sized

[blissful perch]

Did you say Ab was poorly designed?

[mint swan]

No Fjordur is best

[grim kestrel]

Yeah cause it looks like something out of an anime comic

[vital jetty]

Okay found it, 356 is the one that stated the roadmap would be all canonical DLCs, and THEN the community maps, but obviously that changed in the more recent updated roadmap. Just glad I wasn't crazy lol

[winged dome]

Realistic biome flow? Like having the coldest biome in the game a stone's throw from hot desert? 🤔
And a pointless near vertical mountain wall between desert and redwoods

[grim kestrel]

Fjordur from an aesthetic POV is nice, but to base on I'd still choose Rag

[blissful perch]

You’re entitled to your opinion. I’m also entitled to mine - which is that it’s a bit psycho to say the map with a desert next to unbearable cold and an unfinished redwoods mountain is better design than the crowning jewel of sci fi cavern design

[blissful perch]

Wait you said it faster than I did lmfao

[mint swan]

It has good buildin places though. Like the caves or by the castles

[winged dome]

Rag is like ... baby's first DnD map

[grim kestrel]

I'll give you that

[blissful perch]

Rag was impressive at the time - just like the center. I wouldn’t bash the impressive community effort

[vital jetty]

Yeah, I'm really confused on people who say they don't like Ab because of how it looks/color scheme, etc. It's one of the most beautiful maps. I can understand not liking it for other reasons, but that one has never made sense to me.

[blissful perch]

I would however question the objective aesthetic comparison of a map like rag to…an objectively more visually stunning map

[grim kestrel]

But in terms of finding ruins, I like Lost Island for that and caves

[mint swan]

I have never played on rag

Only the island and fjordur

[blissful perch]

…

[winged dome]

Oof

[blissful perch]

So you can’t really comment on the scope of map design?

[grim kestrel]

👀

[vital jetty]

I like Rag, but it's also one of the most laggy maps in existence lol

[mint swan]

I used to watch ark alot, its just i haven't had the time to play on it

[blissful perch]

Watching and playing imo are pretty different in terms of game feel. Though watching will certainly give you an inkling

[mint swan]

Ive seen detailed videos of all the maps

[grim kestrel]

On official? Of course cause it going to be the most popular with building. I started setting up on Val or Lost Island a good bit

[vital jetty]

Any other map with comparable buildings on it is less laggy than Rag.

[blissful perch]

All I can say is that watching Ab versus walking my first ravager to the overlook and staring out into the caverns below felt worlds different in terms of the power of the map design

[grim kestrel]

Maybe UE5 version will solve that

[mint swan]

Personally i love how you can tp in fjordur. Asgard is gorgeous and there is just so many places to build and explore

[winged dome]

Personally not a fan of forced teleportations to get around. Imo, there should be walkable paths to get everywhere in a map

Plus teleports alert the whole server. Get a populated server and those warp sounds get annoying fast

[tropic crag]

[tropic crag]

Because if it is, it can typically be preloaded and they then know that they don't have to buy the game separately

[untold ingot]

Pretty sure the gen1 fjordur tps don't alert the whole map lol

[winged dome]

Fjordur does, or at least for the altar teles

Or ones started via Transmitter

[tropic crag]

I was, and unfortunately most people I knew quit and/or felt betrayed because they felt either

1. WC hadn't told us it would functionally wipe soon enough, or

2. They just simply didn't know/weren't informed well enough by WC to know that their servers they'd been on for years were just going to become buggy wastelands of 0 tech support and near 0 new DLC servers

It really sucked for those who'd been getting by just barely, just to find out that all their hard work meant jack shit and that to play in an active environment they'd have to start from scratch again, which was understandable.

Not to mention, they kept removing legacies over time in a really poorly telegraphed manner (I was going to continue on legacy originally after my buddy quit from the first wave of deletions which included our home server, but then... the server I "migrated" (fled) to was marked for deletion the week after I moved our entire stock of mats/items/breed lines/etc. over, by myself 😅 )

[tropic crag]

That's a glitch I'm pretty sure, only supposed to happen in a radius around you and only if the person in question is looking at you (i.e. has you in render.) That's how it is on Xbox, at least

[winged dome]

Hm. I get them all the time

Dang kids, warping and teleporting everywhich way and yonder!

[tropic crag]

I'm fine with the teleporting, but I think two things should happen:

1. A cooldown so you can't spam/abuse it

2. You should be able to traverse between them naturally as well, like you said earlier

[winged dome]

I think that's what makes me like the Center so much. The whole underground world has a bunch of crossing networks of paths and tunnels to get there and interconnects nearly the whole map

[tropic crag]

I do miss The Center and it's Underworld, my favorite part of the map

[winged dome]

I'm legit excited to see it in ASA with visual touchups

[tropic crag]

Was my favorite map until they made basically Underworld 2 with Ab lol

[winged dome]

Underworld 2: Nameless Boogaloo

[tropic crag]

They should definitely add aberrant creatures to the Underworld imo

And maybe give it somewhat of a day/night cycle similar to Ab so that it offsets from the surface world all wonkylike and is cool and stuff

[blissful perch]

underworld with 2023 assets would go hard - even harder with ASA 2023 assets

[latent grail]

y'all got that much faith in WC to not botch this?

[tropic crag]

Even if they do, mods will be on console 🤷‍♂️

Modders will just do what people would like to see if WC doesn't, so what does it matter?

[latent grail]

can modders make the game not run like shit?

[blissful perch]

define "botch" for me here - everyone has a different expectation

[winged dome]

I mean ... yeah?
Some of the community maps are high quality and don't really much performance hits compared to some Official maps

[latent grail]

ark is a buggy mess where you and your tames frequently fall through the mesh into oblivion

[tropic crag]

What Ark you been playin? Lmao

[blissful perch]

had this been 2018 or earlier sure

but...for a while now it's been pretty rare to have sudden drops into the mesh. Unless you're a poor soul on Win10. We all hold F for those folks

[latent grail]

win10 btw

[winged dome]

F

Er
X

[blissful perch]

nope, should be F

[latent grail]

my friend tried ark on console and it was optimized so poorly that he said it was unplayable

[blissful perch]

good catch there tbh, let me edit

[blissful perch]

was he on an old gen console playing the new maps?

[latent grail]

ps5

the island, i think

[blissful perch]

and perchance did he load official pve?

[latent grail]

i've no idea

[tropic crag]

Probably didn't have it on an SSD, or his PS5 was poorly maintained

But did I catch that right? You heard it was unplayable, and took that at face value?

[blissful perch]

it's true ark is poorly optimized and certainly had a history of that

[tropic crag]

Hence why I focused on the unplayable bit

[blissful perch]

but is that the concern about "botched"? The short answer is that ASA will be smoother than ASE by virture of being a way smaller release

[latent grail]

he's a lot more astute/aware when it comes to things like that than i am

like isn't rubber banding still an issue

and collision with dino tails and shit

[blissful perch]

rubber banding is as much a ping problem as an optimization problem

[tropic crag]

That's an internet issue typically, yeah

ISPs tend to not play well with Ark on PS5 I've heard, gotta open ports if you play online

[latent grail]

jumping through hoops just to make the game run well is kind of my point tho

[tropic crag]

It doesn't happen on Xbox 🤷‍♂️

[latent grail]

playstation is the redheaded step child for this game

[tropic crag]

For sure, because Sony hates early access so they got it far later

[winged dome]

Laughs in Switch/Mobile

[tropic crag]

True and real, RIP our mobile boys

[blissful perch]

switch tbh is the youngest sibling - kids are 16, 14, and 5

[frank grove]

totally agree lmfao

[blissful perch]

mobile was just done...mobile. tbh mobile ark shouldn't be a thing

[frank grove]

i have it so me and my son can play it together

[blissful perch]

switch ark was actually a good release all things considered

it has to be...simplified somewhat because the switch is such poo hardware wise. But for that console? Ark switch was actually good

Ark mobile tho...huge oof. May it never influence ark 2

[tropic crag]

The rebuild was, OG Switch Ark was doodooass lol

[blissful perch]

true, credit is going to current switch ark

[frank grove]

from what i've gotten out of asking grove street games, asa for switch would be possible with the next gen version of the switch

[tropic crag]

The new Switch honestly sounds gamechanging

[winged dome]

Tell me they didn't call it something dumb like New Super Switch

[latent grail]

Nintendo Super Max Switch Giga Ultra Plus Double Deluxe with cheese

[winged dome]

I actually really hated Nintendo's fad of calling their games 'New! -Insert franchise here-'

So many non-gamer parents buying the wrong games because New was in the title and doesn't actually mean it's new

[latent grail]

but yeah. i'm just concerned about how good ASA and Ark 2 will be because i love the games but Ark was a trainwreck on release

[stray elm]

I'm pretty sure that's against the CoC, and against the rules for the admins to do that.

Again, I believe they're not actually suppose to do that. And real-money trading can get you banned as it's against the CoC for official servers.

[left arch]

What are you smoking

[stray elm]

Just saying, but "• 2.4. Conducting any kind of real-world economic activity on this server is strictly prohibited, and may result in the account responsible getting terminated."

[lime forge]

High riser trolling and bootleg taking the bait

[blissful perch]

be nice - it was really high quality bait compared to the standard

[lime forge]

That was not high quality.

[stray elm]

I was also bored and took it anyway for my own entertainment.

[blissful perch]

you're allowed to do that

[stray elm]

You're is correct.

'You are allowed to do that'

[lime forge]

Bruh

[left arch]

This is hilarious

I like this one

[tropic crag]

Yeah, we don't know the new Switch's name yet but here's hoping it isn't like those games were

[left arch]

I hope

[tropic crag]

Oh dodomaiiiiiiil, we got ooooooone

[left arch]

Damn

[stray elm]

[left arch]

They're gone, this is so sad

[stray elm]

Still think ARK-2 needs a settlement system.

[tropic crag]

I cri ery tiem

[onyx wadi]

preston appears

[left arch]

Another settlement needs your help

[stray elm]

Dieston Viney.

[distant pike]

@cunning talon can we expect the ASA servers to stay up and running with evo events for many years to come like we had with evolved?

[vital jetty]

That's the entire point of them making ASA, to support it for years to come on better Servers, software, and cleaner code lol..

[distant pike]

I would just hate to buy it and all support for it get dropped when ark 2 releases

[vital jetty]

CC 356 "After carefully considering what would be the best outcome for those who enjoy ARK: Survival Evolved and would want to continue to enjoy it in the years to come, we decided that our initial plan would not be sufficient. We want to provide you with an evergreen classic ARK experience, one that can continue to grow over time on a cleaned-up code base, making use of the new technological advancements not only in the industry but also in what we are working on with ARK 2."

[distant pike]

Ahh, fair enough lol I guess I missed that

[vital jetty]

No worries lol.

[grim kestrel]

ASA will be updated alongside Ark 2 so as it stands they plan to support both

[spare axle]

what maps are gonna be out on ASA release

ive seen multiple things

[grim kestrel]

The Island

and SoTF The Island

[lime cove]

when is ark 2 electric boogaloo coming out?

[grim kestrel]

ASA going to be cross play and cross platform modding across all platforms Xbox Series X/S, PS5, and PC (Windows, Steam, Epic)

[vital jetty]

Hopefully consoles won't be too turned off by the cross play. I know SoT console players were against it.

[grim kestrel]

Can't speak for PvP, but I know the PvE experience at least from organized unofficial cluster is going to be 🔥 with cross play

[tropic crag]

For PvP? Xbox players are likely going to see a dip in numbers for sure, but it's always been that way with Win10 being in the mix like it has been

But there'll certainly be more overall than there would otherwise to cover the deficit

[split dove]

Currently targeting late/end of 2024

[terse swallow]

Is there a roadmap for Ark ASA for mapsI understand it starts off with the Island map, but what follows and when?

[lime forge]

Scorched earth.

[winged dome]

December

[terse swallow]

Is that how much we know so far? No info on future maps like Ragnarok etc?

[winged dome]

One of the recent crunches had an updated roadmap for ASA map releases but I forget which. Ab and Rag I think should be Q1 2024

[lime cove]

epic

[true fox]

Odds that we'll see anything in the crunch today that remotely signals they'll release ASA in october?

[mint forum]

Probably, its getting too close for them to keep holding things back. But it is wildcard so you never know 😂

[true fox]

my wager is we're going to get a vague ''november" push

[tropic forge]

dollie already confirm for end of oct

[true fox]

Then in november they won't do december, because holidays, so it'll be "early january".

[tropic forge]

even last cc mods were confirm for end of oct

[true fox]

uh huh

That would be nice. But we'll see

[pine basin]

Chances are low IMO

[true fox]

I want it so bad.

I've just been replaying other games for fun

[mint forum]

Chances are it will be released by 31st oct, they arent allowed to delay it further than that without serious consequence

[pine basin]

They totally stopped sharing info regarding ASA. I believe we will start hearing more about ASA throughout October

[mint forum]

They seem to be more active recently, with the dev kit being shown and both dollie and jat being more active in disc

[pine basin]

But the fact they choose a 3rd party mod to show in the last CC means (to me) they aren’t ready to show us ASA itself

[terse swallow]

Island: October, Scorched: December, Ragnarok: Q1 2024

[split dove]

Aberration: also Q1 2024

[pine basin]

What about The Center? I thought they would follow ASE’s order

I think they will just follow the lore’s order and for the community maps they will start from the most popular ones

[near shale]

I think theyrr doing everything mostly in order but for some reason the center is moved around

heres hoping it gets an overhaul

[prisma acorn]

From CC 368:

"We’ve also decided to separate the release date of The Island and Scorched Earth. With what we’ve learned about remastering The Island from the ground-up, it wouldn’t be feasible to complete Scorched Earth to a standard we’re happy with. So for now, we’re going to plan that Scorched Earth will be coming to ASA in December this year, Ragnarok and Aberration will follow in Q1 2024, and the rest of the maps beyond then."

[mint forum]

Either way, it has to be released by 31st oct because of there nitrado contact.

[minor grotto]

I don't have an xbox s/x. Can I get ASA on windows 10 and play on pc?

[pine basin]

The contract doesn’t oblige them to release by 10/31. Which it does is if they release after that, they will have to share their earnings with ASE and Ark 2 with Nitrado

At least not the leaked contract we saw

[pine basin]

Yes

You will be able to get from Steam and Windows store

Not sure about Epic

[minor grotto]

but no way to take my saved data from ASE and get it on ASA? If I go ASA I'm starting from scratch right?

[desert swallow]

Yes

They are re-doing some things from the ground up. Old saves wouldn't be compatible and would restrict progress if you tried to make compatible. Puke and feel better afterwards.

[minor grotto]

yeah makes sense. I've had to restart multiple times before so whats one more really

maybe I can get my pick of a good spot in fjordur

[split dove]

its only gonna be island on launch, then scorched earth in december, ragnarok and aberration in Q1 2024 with the other maps releasing after that

[minor grotto]

shoooot lol

[minor grotto]

any chance they will bring some dinos from newer maps since they are revamping? maybe bring the fjordhawk and sinomacrops over to the island?

[split dove]

general asa crunch info

[split dove]

probably not, only thing mentioned about creatures on maps were the new community voted ones coming to their respective vote maps

[thick tulip]

missed opportunity, if not. would bring a semblance of new life into old maps with revamped spawn zones

[vital jetty]

Holidays are one of the best time to launch around, so your train of thought for that doesn't make much sense lol

[mint forum]

True but i doubt they would want to do that

[vital jetty]

Did Island get a new dino vote too and I missed it? I know the Rhynio is on Island, but that's also for Lost Island, so it's not actually a new creature solely for The Island, whereas other maps are getting exclusive creatures 😮

[winged dome]

Island is Rhynio, I think LI spawning is an oversight

[austere parcel]

Buscamos gente para el nuevo ark survival ascended oficial megatribus Si estas interesado escribeme.

[winged dome]

El #1110949794907684965 o

[pine basin]

Like the Dinopithecus on Valguero 😂

TBF I don’t want new Dinos, I want TLCs for the old ones.

I want the Ark 2 Rex ON ASA, also the carno, stego, ankylo, brachios and so on.

I mean, Dollie confirmed the dodos will have feathers, I just hope they look as good as in the Ark 2 trailer

[winged dome]

Yeah, kinda why I'm not super interested in the votes. Older, underutilized creatures deserve to be buffed and made relevant instead of completely replaced by new models

[sturdy lotus]

bro when the asc coming \

wtf all servers going down

[winged dome]

bro end of october

[sturdy lotus]

so its a break time

[winged dome]

yeah bro

[sturdy lotus]

gs

ggs

[winged dome]

(I dunno what that means)

(Okay, that one I do)

[blissful perch]

I don’t. I want the ark 2 creatures to be functionally distinct from anything ark 1 ever had. New combat mechanics, behaviors, stats and traits. The works. And that would be jeopardized by any form of inclusion in Asa (IE ark 1)

[vital jetty]

Somewhat agree, if only because most of the dinos being voted on are solely for the mentionings of 1400 abilities even though WC stated abilities mentioned might help them define the creature, but aren't a guarantee they'll go in.

Example: that one dino as big as the titan that almost won. Thing had more abilities named than Daenerys Targaryen had titles lol

[split dove]

hey man, as long as the new big ant submission has 15 op abilities people will vote for it instead of something unique

[pine basin]

They don’t have to have exactly the same features. I’m talking about the looks (at first) and then rebalancing them to ASA.

Just use the same art assets and balance them differently

[blissful perch]

The animations should reflect their mechanics

[pine basin]

The old Dinos in the new engine will be a bit underwhelming to me

[blissful perch]

I also kinda want my ark 2 stuff to be new

Since the ark 2 and ark 1 rex are pretty dissimilar imo

[pine basin]

But the creatures should look the same as they are the same creatures

Unless they say they mutated while in Arat

[blissful perch]

They aren’t though. They have the same inspiration, but they’re clearly not supposed to be faithful reconstructions of the actual animal

[pine basin]

Im talking lore-wise

The ark 2 Rex is more aligned to the real beast

[blissful perch]

Game > lore every time. Lore can be rewritten

[pine basin]

Asa rex should reflect that

[pine basin]

Asa is a new game

[blissful perch]

And it’s getting new assets

[pine basin]

And I want them to be the same as Ark 2 😂

[blissful perch]

I want ark 2’s to be newer still - and reflective of the art style ark 2 has

[split dove]

lore reason for new ark 2 designs is them evolving on Arat

[blissful perch]

You know I couldn’t care less about the lore Flobs lol

[pine basin]

They never said that

[split dove]

i'm just here to stur chaos

20 tons of garbage collected in one day will do that to a man

[blissful perch]

Fair

[winged dome]

But it's a fair possibility, especially if the Ark's and Genesis were prepping creatures to be more quickly evolved to adapt to new environments (X creatures, ect)

[pine basin]

I’ve said they CAN use that kind of reasoning, but WC never said that.

But I hope they will share the assets, not the mechanics (because the games will be kida different).

[near shale]

This (sorry im backreading)

[tropic crag]

Yes they have, they did the first (possibly second, idr I just woke up) time they posted an Ark 2 dino, just nobody paid any attention to it

[vital jetty]

The story of ark in relation to dinos is that they're DESIGNED to be able to adapt to ANY environment, extremely quickly. It's also why they're so "easy" to tame.

So it would make sense that they're different, having landed on an alien planet.

[true fox]

which lore is this from?

[stray elm]

ARK's lore

[true fox]

Which one? I don't remember that

[stray elm]

ARK 1's lore.

[true fox]

there's a ton of lore. I'm asking where you read thast

a particular explorer note?

[stray elm]

The-One-Who-Waits.

[true fox]

Thanks reading that thread now

[stray elm]

I believe at least.
Might also be in Genesis-1

The-One-Who-Waits just has like 60% of the confirmations, since her whole point is just lore exposition.

[slate dew]

how much the price prediction for ASA?

[grim kestrel]

Not a prediction, WC has confirmed it in a CC for $39.99 USD

[stray elm]

We don't need to predict

[stray elm]

40$ for the launch deal, 45$ after that (after 24-hours or a week, we're not sure) and 60$ once it gets out of Early-Access.
All in USD.

[grim kestrel]

👆

[slate dew]

Dayum

[true fox]

I'm wary of letting genesis lore skew the view of ark because a lot of it is specific to the genesis simulation

[grim kestrel]

Here a basic run down from 4 CC that they have put out.

ASA
ARK: Survival Ascended will now be a standalone package released on every platform (PC Windows/Steam, Xbox Series S/X, and PlayStation 5) at $39.99.

The package will include the following pieces of content built-in (not sold separately), with each remastered and altered for the next-generation on Unreal Engine 5: w/Cross Play and Cross Platform Modding

The Island (Released at Launch at the end __October 2023__)
Survival of the Fittest: The Island
Scorched Earth & Transfers (Release in December)
Ragnarok & Aberration (Released by Q1 2024)

Extinction, Genesis Part 1, Genesis Part 2, and all the community-created maps are also to be released over time in 2024 (Fjordur, Ragnarok, The Center, Lost Island, Valguero, Crystal Isles)

[slate dew]

I hope it's coming to gamepass

[grim kestrel]

There is nothing confirmed about a gamepass timeline now, but Xbox may reach out to WC to look at changing out ASE to ASA discussion with WC down the line since they usually update gamepass to the newer versions.

Only Ark 2 is confirmed it will be gamepass day one

[vital jetty]

Believe it's Helena's Island notes that mention the ease of taming dinos, which isn't natural at all. Especially with animals like the Megaladon.

Don't recall the other, will scan the notes to see if I can find the quick to adapt thing. Think it's the island one that says Rex in the snow biome thriving doesn't make sense too, though not a hard confirmation of that lol.

[true fox]

Yeah it's interesting.

[charred narwhal]

Will ark asa more Processor bottleneck or gpu bottleneck?

[prisma acorn]

no one knows yet

they havent released any info other then its coming out in the new engine and end of october

[grim kestrel]

Don't have to type "ark" when you use abbrievation "asa" considering that means "Ark Survival Ascended", so saying "ark asa" basically saying "Ark Ark Survival Ascended"

[winged dome]

It was mentioned in brief in Helena's Island notes regarding the Painted Sharks and how they tamed Megalodons too

[still ingot]

Is asa and ark 2 the same thing

[stray elm]

They're not

[mint forum]

Nope, asa is an ark remaster

[stray elm]

I still personally say it's more of a remake.

[mint forum]

Pretty much yeah

[stray elm]

But either way, ASA is a newer version of ARK-1. Which is nothing like ARK-2

[mint forum]

Still hoping asa is better optimised but you never know, probably gonna play it either way tbh

[stray elm]

I'm going to assume it'll be better optimized, and most if not all ASE bugs will be fixed.
Buuuuuut, it'll release with new bugs that may or may not be worse.

[mint forum]

Unfortunately bugs are to be expected with any new game, but they are recoding the game entirely to fix bugs so hopefully thats what it does

[stray elm]

Yerp

[grim kestrel]

True and bugs found in ASA can make sure those don't show up in Ark 2.

[mint forum]

Lets hope so,

But we all know what wildcard are like with fixing bugs

[tropic forge]

still it will be early access so bugs and need to improve performance will be require

[mint forum]

Aslong as it doesnt run worse than ase i think i'll be fine with it

Praying its not another cyberpunk 2077 situation

[tropic forge]

dont hope much since this is a rush remake, barely spend what, 6 months since they announce?

[mint forum]

They have already said that its been in the works longer than that, but still seems very rushed. Hence all the delays

[stray elm]

Also, a lot of things are being ported over and reworked on, instead of being rebuilt from the ground up

[tropic forge]

no ark 2 yeh they said they work on the game before the first announce but not ASA

[mint forum]

Dont change something that doesnt need fixing

[stray elm]

90% of ARK needs fixing

[mint forum]

Then port the 10% 😂

[stray elm]

You crazy?
You really think they're remaking the coding for an 8+ year old game from the ground up instead of just porting it over and reworking it?
It's a lot more easier to port something and rework it, then it is to completely remake it.

[winged dome]

ArkPark is born 😂

[mint forum]

They said in one of the earlier crunches that it is being recoded, cant think which one though.

Also a bit delusional but arent we all?

[vital jetty]

This discussion has happened a million times. Regardless of UE5 stating you can "port" the game over from UE4 "seemlessly", UE5 HATES UE4, and the port breaks more things than solves.

[grim kestrel]

They are porting over very specific things and reworking the rest as UE5 doesn't like ports from UE4 very often

[tropic forge]

but than isent that a remaster insted of a remake since the word itself says it all??

[stray elm]

'Recoded' is the key word.
They're 'recoding' the game, not making completely new code to replace everything.

[mint forum]

Yeah, i probably misunderstood a little. Im not the brightest of the bunch

[stray elm]

Not interiorly.

[vital jetty]

In order to fix the issues of ASE, you have to start from scratch, so false, based solely off of what they have claimed they are doing.

[mint forum]

The sad part is that we have no clue what they have done. At this point it seems like we may just need to wait for asa to launch to find out if anyone here is correct

[tropic forge]

a remake uses little to none of the previous game thats being "remake"

[blissful perch]

Jack is correct, and if everyone thought this we’d save tons of time

We could instead focus on more interesting game design questions 👀

[mint forum]

👀

[tropic forge]

want a good one but aint happening?

[stray elm]

That's.....that isn't how coding works.
It might be easier to do so, but you 'can' rework coding to fix it instead of starting from scratch.
They even stated the original plans for the scrapped UE5 port for ASE was just to port the Switch version to UE5 and publish it on every platform (which 'is' recoded to work, and is on the latest version of UE4)

[grim kestrel]

With what it seems like WC is doing it what remaster should be. It to common for so called "remasters" to barely change basic things.

I'll use one about to come out as an example.. Tomb Raider 1-3 "Remaster" yet it looks like it could still be played on it original platform.

[winged dome]

Pfft, more 'when Ark2??'s

[blissful perch]

No please. Have mercy

[mint forum]

I personally think that they are recoding most parts completely, they already admitted to the spaghetti coding of ase.

In one of the crunches they also said about fixing the bugs and recoding the game being one of the main reasons for asa being a seperate game

[stray elm]

I do agree with this. But that'd require them to 'port' the original code.
Which was my point. They're probably able to get away with developing this in 6 months due to the fact everything is being ported then reworked on.

[tropic forge]

"one that can continue to grow over time on a cleaned-up code base, making use of the new technological advancements not only in the industry but also in what we are working on with ARK 2."

that aint recoding

[mint forum]

Yeah i agree with this, they are definitely trying to use the same code, but also trying to scan through and polish for any problematic areas.

These are all assumptions anyway due to wildcards silence in anything asa/ark 2

[blissful perch]

Don’t underestimate the time save caused by not needing to redesign the game from scratch

[mint forum]

And dont forget that the original game was coded in a very short time aswell

[vital jetty]

They stated a few years into dev that many of the issues couldn't be fixed because of early on coding, that would need to be rebuilt from the ground up to fix.

And yes, you're referring to when they ONLY planned on a graphical update, which would still require them to fix code that broke in the port.

If they are doing as they claim, with full on mechanic changes, MAJOR balance passes to things that have been broken for ages they seemingly couldn't fix, and etc. they didn't port over most of the code.

If they did, most of the pressing issues will still be there on release, and they'll lose a lot of faith from the community because of it.

Unless you really think they ported over all of that code just to change almost all of it, on top of what broke.
Now that I think about it they could have done that, however non-optimal that is lmao.

[mint forum]

But that was only a basic version

[stray elm]

You can recode something to make it much, much better then it's previous version.
That's what Unreal-Engine 5 is to UE4.
UE5.1 is literally a recoded, better version of UE4.

Hang on

@untold ingot I'm not coding expert. So when you get online, mind telling me if coding can be reworked even if it's really shit, or if it's can't be repaired?

[tropic forge]

anyway if you wanna change talks why not talk about implement real physics for guns whit distance and wind effects on bullet trajectory since its UE5 that could be something (but again like i said that aint happening)

[blissful perch]

Hmm. I’m in favor. You’re talking Asa?

[untold ingot]

It can always be fixed. But if it's like a million lines long the time to fix can be a lot

[mint forum]

It depends on how bad the coding is, some code isnt repairable and any attempt to change it will make more bugs. I belive a similar thing happened with the isle

[tropic forge]

yeh cause for ark 2 that would be arrows 🤣 although there's arrows on ASA too

[mint forum]

Also depends on if you can find the area causing the issue

[stray elm]

To you, what would be more practical.
Porting over ASE's coding to UE5 and reworking it, or just remake the coding completely from the ground up?

[blissful perch]

I’m super in favor of phasing out hitscan entirely from ark. It’s super busted and imo not a fun experience when it just smokes projectiles in terms of viability. Also way harder to aimbot with projectiles

[tropic forge]

plus pump shotguns being use as snipers, at least thats what i did on pve 🤣

[vital jetty]

Coding can be reworked even when shit (not always), the issue is how long it would take to do. Their early on coding was Spaghetti code after spaghetti code, combined with a little more spaghetti code on top.

That sort of practice, especially EARLY ON, makes it take longer than it would starting from 0.

And it can't be fixed all of the time, especially when things that reference each other aren't in order, because you constantly miss those reference points when changing something, and creates an even worse headache for you as entities get worse and worse as you try to make the change.

[untold ingot]

I would pick and choose. If the code has engine depedance it would need to be rewritten. If it is standalone functions it'll probably be fine

[grim kestrel]

Ascendant Shotgun was the best weapon to have on your hotbar

[mint forum]

Agree with this, in the case of ark im pretty sure recoding from the ground up is the best thing to do.

[chrome lodge]

''Was''

[blissful perch]

Hard falloff for all weapons should also go in - I agree. Sniper shotguns is a meme, it shouldn’t be a standard lol

[stray elm]

Main issue I have with this, is the time.
6 months I feel like is a really short time to recode a whole game with as much content ARK has post Early-Access release.

[mint forum]

Shotty with sniper scope was so fun though

[grim kestrel]

I use that in terms of I phased out of Ark waiting for ASA. It still the best weapon on ASE considering the range and the amount of hits per shot.

[blissful perch]

Again, design takes a LONG time. And Asa has very little design compared to a whole new game

[mint forum]

It is a really short time, but they have a much larger workforce now. And a remaster/remake of a game is much easier to do as the designs and concept of the game is already there

[tropic forge]

but still thats more likely to happen on ASA unless its easy to give physics to bullets but i dont know anything about that

[vital jetty]

They have the code for overall reference. They also have their base mainframe of what they're making. Starting from 0 code while recreating it is far simpler than it sounds.

[stray elm]

What specifically are we talking about with 'design' in this situation. Cause that's a broad term.

[blissful perch]

They already did give physics to projectile weapons. It’s the same with bullets - they’re just smaller

[blissful perch]

Game design. The choices of “what to add/change”

[vital jetty]

I assume they mean something like -- THey know the Island they are making. They aren't flat out making a brand new Island map, they know where everything is going to go and flow.

[blissful perch]

That’s part of design for sure - specifically level design

[vital jetty]

outside of some balance changes, most everything is the same.

[mint forum]

For example, they already have the whole lore planned and completed in ase. But if it was a whole new game they would have to spend months planning that and how to implement it into the gameplay

[stray elm]

We'll defiantly see when it comes out.

[blissful perch]

The core “ark” functionality is the same. And that core was likely the product of YEARS of design effort. Not repeating that is a huge time save

[mint forum]

We have to unfortunately.

For all we know, no one here could he anywhere near whats actually happening

[desert swallow]

I do

[blissful perch]

It’s true. Jordan’s dad works for Microsoft

[tropic forge]

gonna be today cc whit a gameplay right?

[desert swallow]

My dad is Bill Gates

[untold ingot]

There is a huge difference between the code of a game, and it's asset placement. But the did already have practice doing both with the switch port

It's not unreasonable to think they could do it for the island in 6 months

[mint forum]

Its not.

scorched earth on top was a bit of a stretch though imo

[desert swallow]

lol no gameplay tonight. We're getting a picture of the newly remastered wooden chair.

[mint forum]

Sweet

[tropic forge]

or the creature for extinction

[desert swallow]

sitting on the chair

[vital jetty]

So long as it's top tier wood the chair is made out of I'm down.

[winged dome]

Nah, not a chair
A Toilet
That way they can show off some of those new structure-affected water mechanics 👍

[vital jetty]

#mahoganyWoodPlz

[tropic forge]

redwood tree quality

[mint forum]

As long as all 4 chair legs are in 8k i dont carr how buggy the game is

[blissful perch]

I’m actually hype to see if ark 2 has mahogany versus oak chairs

Didn’t we get confirmation of multiple wood types in ark 2

[mint forum]

I dont think so. If we did it was in an early crunch

[vital jetty]

They said different types of resources that did the same thing would be in different biomes, so yes, but no, depending on how it's put in.

[winged dome]

I don't remember, but there was speculation about resource variants

[tropic forge]

still needs sewage system to deploy in the ocean

[mint forum]

I think theres gonna be recource varients but that could mean a load of different things

[stray elm]

Personally, I hope we get ATLAS's version of blueprint crafting.
Much more interesting gathering different variants of resources then 'big number'

[mint forum]

Atlas blueprints seem alot better than arks imo

[desert swallow]

arks blueprints are really basic.

My dad says we didn't have time to change them for ark ASA

[untold ingot]

If that is going to happen, the harvest rates on 1x need to get cut down to like 10% lol

[mint forum]

Unfortunate

[stray elm]

Basically, instead of gathering like 4,000 wood for a bp, you have to gather like 200 of 4 versions of wood.

[blissful perch]

I’d much rather have each wood provide a different spread of stats

[mint forum]

That is alot better than just "12567 metal ingot"

[blissful perch]

The component crafting that got confirmed imo is a total game changer. I think old BPs are dead

[stray elm]

If BP's even make it into ARK-2

[desert swallow]

1.2574x10e¹⁵ Polymer.

[mint forum]

Hopefully this means that different recources and recource variations have different stats

[untold ingot]

We talking Asa or ark2 for bps

[blissful perch]

The ark 1 BP is probably pointless to ark 2’s design, as it’s all component and material based

[stray elm]

I was talking about ASA personally, but both.

[blissful perch]

That’s my hope

I don’t think we’re getting resource variants in Asa tho

[stray elm]

I believe the component based crafting confirmed that.

[stray elm]

Realistically, we're probably not. But it would make BP's much more interesting.

[mint forum]

Im pretty sure it did, but i cant be bothered to look through all the crunches

[stray elm]

"The specific materials you choose will further affect the appearance of your items, with multiple options of resources found in unique regions of the world."
Yep, they did confirm appearance. And I don't see why it wouldn't effect stats either.

[desert swallow]

The only issue with materials effecting stats is that everyone will use the best materials and they will all look the same.

So they need to make a rock paper scissors type system

[stray elm]

Depends on how they handle it.
Each region of a weapon would look different, and different resources may actually have drawbacks.

[desert swallow]

Ya but people will just min max the best and post it online

[stray elm]

Scrapped tek for example may have the best durability for blades, but the worse damage.
While something like steel is the best damage, but worse durability.

[mint forum]

Its a tricky system to get right which is why im nervous about it, especially with the "souls like combat"

[winged dome]

Probably, but with proper balancing then there could be meta-counters built into other components or armor

RPS style, but with additional effects or properties so it's a little more interesting

[stray elm]

I can see a lot of resources being left behind once you get to endgame, since some if not most will be for early-game survival.
But again, if done right they can give drawbacks to the more powerful resources.

[mint forum]

Some recources have to get left behind imo, if something available early on is still as good as something you get late game, its not really worth grinding for

[grim kestrel]

If the type of resources used depend on the appearance, I could see them having BP levels again that just only relate to the amount of resources, the higher level the more resources

[blissful perch]

There will be a meta to it - no question

[stray elm]

Kind of like Dark-Souls upgrading system.
You can make the beginning weapon really fucking godlike for early-game enemies, but even at its max, it'll never be good compared to endgame weapons that can be upgraded farther.

[blissful perch]

The interesting challenge will be focusing on sidegrades and changes for people to experiment with tools that suit their playstyles rather than bum rushing the meta exclusively

[mint forum]

It would have to be

[mint forum]

You also have to consider the fact that they are adding a skill tree, so maybe some stuff in there could act as counters to certain recources or weapons

[blissful perch]

Skills should work with and complement weapon/component traits - I agree

[tropic forge]

it would make sense whit a skill tree having status effects, bleed poison so on

[tropic crag]

[winged dome]

Status effects are alright if there's actual ways to reasonably cure them. Bandages for bleeds, antidotes for poisons, ect. Ark1 had very little in the way of healing or status mitigation outside med brews and Lesser Antidotes (Greater Antidote when?) or just hoping you survive

[untold ingot]

In a lot of ways ark1 surpassed it's creators designs and went a totally different direction from the original intentions I feel

[winged dome]

Devs have stated that before

Hence Ark2 being more of a 'return to form' for their idea

Ark1's Tek and futurism got popular early on and Devs rolled with it

[winged dome]

I can see Ark2 having expanded diseases and wounds, similar to how Starfield does it. Starts with a minor status, if untreated it gets progressively worse and opens up more infection/affliction possibilities unless you start treating them

Take away player air-borne infections and now you have diseases people will actually work to get rid of instead of everyone running around with Swamp Fever (why the fuck does it make you faster?)

[stray elm]

Wonder if they'll ever return to it, since now they probably see that there's a divide between the pro/anti tek side of the community.

[winged dome]

Hopefully Ark2 Tek is kept to lore/world building. Players shouldn't have it imo - at least until a few expansions later

Tek Scrap weapons and stuff or whatever is fine

[grim kestrel]

Which is all the better to have ASA and Ark 2 supported together so anyone who just has to have tek can, and people who want a more natural experience have Ark 2.

[mint forum]

I kinda want the industrial tier to be ark 2's equivalent of tek tbh

[pastel gull]

I will always remember my first days with the great effect of a fire camp light on the rocks of the cliff cooking my first meats out of a dodo, scared of what's arround in the dark awaiting to jump out of the bushes to try to kill me.

For me, my best experience is no tek 🙂

[blissful perch]

They did make ASA…

[winged dome]

Early game, best game 👍

[stray elm]

I know, but question now lies 'which one will be more popular/financially beneficial'

[pastel gull]

My answer to that is to make it both available as game mode, hardcore and hightek.

[pastel gull]

That would be more how I would see it yes. Likes vitamins in Atlas too

[winged dome]

Original vitamins system in Atlas sucked ass. Buff for proper management are fine, but don't kill your players for not juggling the entire food pyramid - while also killing them for overeating

[pastel gull]

could be just something like less performance on speed, muscle, agility, aiming depending on vitamins/proteins eaten. If its balanced its balanced.

[winged dome]

I don't bother cooking my meat in Ark, I won't bother juggling Nutrition Facts 😂

[pastel gull]

lol

[blissful perch]

It’s not gonna be that easy. The biggest issue ark has with tek is figuring out how to include the stupidly high variation in player power levels. Tek scrap or otherwise “integrated” tek is likely a nonissue and is gonna be relevant in ark 2 as we already saw

[winged dome]

Also in a way that doesn't make the previous 100 levels of engrams and unlocks completely irrelevant

[tropic forge]

dint someone said the Dreadnoughtus was going to win cause had loads of op abilities? 🤣 this community as no sense to choose a creature that blends whit the map only goes for the abilities

[stray elm]

If the community voted for creatures to blend with their maps, then the terror-bird 2.0 wouldn't had won Aberration.

[tropic forge]

exactly ab dosent have a place for that shit show of a bird, zero sense there

[stray elm]

Like, I can see it in the fertile or biolum zone. But there was so much fucking better options then a bird.

[tropic forge]

i still say the spider that hipnotise was the perfect choice for ab

[stray elm]

The scorpion/spider thing would've fitted Aberrations more horror vibes.

[tropic forge]

think we are talking about the same spider

was the one that would shoot webs to cross the land?

[winged dome]

Yet the hoppy owl was a contender 🤔

[stray elm]

The one that was all black, and wasn't the jumping spider?

[tropic forge]

yeh think we talking the same one

[stray elm]

That thing was fucking scary.

[tropic forge]

and would be perfect for the blue zone on the darkest areas where was no blue trees

[tropic forge]

a yeti would make more sense than a owl on ab even a rat would make more sense

[verbal wind]

there are owls that live in burrows

[tropic forge]

you know what, since they wanted make a glass canon creature why not a porcupine???

[winged dome]

How would a porcupine be 'glass cannon'?

[tropic forge]

was thinking about the description they gave to that crap bird

[winged dome]

Losin' me

[tropic forge]

bet if someone draw a wyrm that shoot rockets from its ass and vomited elemente dush for ab it would wind

[tropic forge]

if you read the dossier the guy made you will understand the "glass canon" thing

[potent hull]

got a video for you can i sand it to you

[tropic forge]

no thx i try to avoid baittubers

[potent hull]

wel tilt it this They Want Me To Play Ark Survival Ascended! New Ark Merch Incoming? No Money For Marketing?

video titil

[tropic forge]

there aint new mechs

at least not official info

[potent hull]

well look som youtube of ark will be to play asa soon

[near vapor]

is there a release date for ark 2?

[tropic forge]

dude you gotta stop feeding those bait tubers its very harmful, only spreads bad info

[potent hull]

is nor look fo you self

[winged dome]

Late 2024

[potent hull]

0.40

[tropic forge]

omg dude wake up stop feeding those trolls

[potent hull]

time stap 0.40 read it

[tropic forge]

snails given streaming equipment and pc components, get real its all fake

[stray elm]

Actually Snail themselves on their official Twitter have stated this.

[potent hull]

see

[potent hull]

ty boot

[tropic forge]

in exchange for activities they will give that???

[potent hull]

yes

[tropic forge]

plus a month away from release they want ppl to test ASA???

[stray elm]

They're looking for streamers with high followers.
So the exchange is that 'you play game early and you'll expose your audience to this game for us to make money'

[tropic forge]

for early access

ho its not even a test its a "showcase"

[stray elm]

We don't know when they're going to give them the keys, all we know is that they're starting to reach out now.

[potent hull]

is there somthing to say to me fox

[stray elm]

Yeah, basically gaining attraction for the game via clout.

It's what they did with Survival of the Fittest, to be fair.

[tropic forge]

when it happen i will apologize until them its fake for me

[stray elm]

Fake....when Snail games themselves posted it?

[tropic forge]

shittt knowing snails 🤣

[near vapor]

awww shucks

[potent hull]

????

[near vapor]

aye ig they have more time to fix bugs and create more pre created updates

[tropic forge]

then i just remember since they mention wc its whit them on that why this cc dint mention anything about it???

[near vapor]

what

[potent hull]

what you sade lol

[near vapor]

shucks?

[stray elm]

They don't really 'need' Wildcards approval for what is legally their game.

[tropic forge]

not saying they need wc approval but why so empty cc, thats the biggest news since the announce of ark 2 since you know streamers going to show ASA which its like 1000% more compare to what wc show us so far

[stray elm]

Snail could've done it without them knowing, and so they didn't have time/the approval to send it in a CC.

[tropic forge]

damn thats some serious shit, guess backstabbing between snails and wc must be common pratice

[potent hull]

asa my com out at end of next month if they do give keys for asa it will be ether midle of next month or start of it (edited)

[stray elm]

Like....remember the whole fucking NFT shit Snail tried to pull that Wildcard had to shut down?

[tropic forge]

dollie already confirm ASA gonna come out at the end of next month

[stray elm]

That was the crunch that confirmed it, she just confirmed the confirmation.

[tropic forge]

not really

[stray elm]

Snail boasted how they're adding NFT's to ARK-2, and Wildcard shut that shit down quick.

[tropic forge]

well thats news to me

but who buy's NFT's?

[stray elm]

Not smart people

[potent hull]

look snail has a partner for the launch of arkade ambassador thing

it is noiz

[desert swallow]

I have 10

[tropic crag]

🤡

[true viper]

I would have thought it would be closer to the middle considering Halloween frankly.

Either way, it's at most 5 weeks away. Not a long waiting period in the grand scheme of things

[astral token]

5 weeks 👴🏽

[ripe cedar]

Do you think because they are releasing so late in october they will do fear evolved on launch or not, im thinking no

[near shale]

I sure hope not

Fear Evolved is neat but i dont think a holiday event is the best thing to have RIGHT at launch

[winged dome]

Agree. Most likely not

Fun as events are, would confuse newcomers

[grim kestrel]

Thinking about that, Valentine's update would probably be the update best to do first as it would give time for anyone new to experience the game

[karmic grove]

I wonder what’s coming out first, gta 6 or ark 2?

[split dove]

for you on playstation gta 6 is more likely as there are currently no public plans for ark 2 having playstation launch/version

[grim kestrel]

^ Ark 2 has a time exclusivity to release on Xbox X/S and PC before it goes to PS5

On the flip side there PC most likely be in Ark 2 as GTA 6 will be console timed exclusive to Xbox X/S and PS5

[tropic forge]

just a FYI about snails ambassador endorsement for streamers i just found the site and says the keys for approved participants will be given at launch, guess aint by streamers the game will be showcase before its on sale

[tropic forge]

guess i owned you an apology, seems that clip is legit

[potent hull]

ty i am hearing some say the keys are for the day asa coming out but i do not no

ty for it fox

[tropic forge]

seems to be, thats what it says on the site to register that the keys will be given on launch

[potent hull]

free is free lol

[tropic forge]

only for the approvel streamers, want the site? i can link you

[potent hull]

i seen it but ty hop asa work out

but youtuber do get news on game some times fast som get it on time

or late

[silent sable]

[ocean axle]

when will akr 2 release

[potent hull]

when you work for wild card lol

no next year i think

[ocean axle]

oh ok

[winged dome]

Late 2024 is the current window

[split dove]

the fastest we will get to see anything Ark 2 in-game is next year, so don't expect anything but mentions at Extralife as that's likely gonna be focused on ASA and maybe the animated series if they got a platform by that time

With that in mind, we do not plan to showcase any gameplay/screenshots/videos of ARK 2 this year; however, we intend to keep you informed and engaged in the development process by regularly showcasing more ARK 2 assets in the months ahead, leading to our gameplay reveal next year.

[winged dome]

I don't expect that to change with the ASA delay and launch features removal

[harsh spear]

what a suprise, streamers get early access.

i remember when atlas did that. there the game looked smooth for streamers, cuz they had to host private lobbys. then official release happened and nothing seemed to work.

[potent hull]

but your a boss in ark 2 yes lol

[winged dome]

What?

[pine basin]

Which features were removed? I don’t remember reading anything about that.

I mean, we don’t even know which new features are supposed to be implemented

Or which old features would be removed

[iron sequoia]

[winged dome]

Scorched removed from launch, transfers, thought there was something else but drawing a blank

[pine basin]

Im pretty sure transfers were supposed to be blocked even if scorched was released day one. Scorched I wouldn’t consider a feature, but yeah.

Besides those, they didn’t specify anything, so it’s not really postponed because they never promised anything

That’s good PR actually

After all the confusion, they recomposed themselves and went silent

[split dove]

And this list is not exhaustive. We’re hoping to get even more done, and the only reason we aren’t covering all of those details right now is that we’re still working on them. It’s taking a significant amount of resources and time at the studio, and we don’t want to commit to other particular features unless we’re sure we can get them in for launch. And yeah, we may miss our deadline on certain aspects, but they’ll come in over time as we continue to support this next generation of ARK.

[winged dome]

I'd consider a second map a feature 😂
Presumably you'd be able to transfer to it at launch but it was never originally specified as yes or no transfers

[pine basin]

Like I said, it’s a grey zone to me 😂 my understanding is gaming features are more related to gameplay.

[winged dome]

Fair, and I can see the confusion

[pine basin]

Yeah, that’s what I’m talking about, they were cautious to not promise exhaustively the features so they wouldn’t have to postpone any of them

[winged dome]

Overall, things that would have been now won't be, at least not yet

[pine basin]

Yeah, besides the meaning of game features, I agree with you. Postponements of ASA should affect Ark 2.

[normal trout]

boutta be the biggest scam

[pine basin]

Nah… I’ve seen worst

[normal trout]

like what

boutta charge 60 dollars for a filler game

then another 80 for ark 2

with better graphics thats it

[pine basin]

First of all, they will sell ASA + All ASE DLCs for 40 usd

[winged dome]

Hooo boy, someone is out of date

[pine basin]

That’s probably not accurate

[split dove]

you'd expect them to use recent/accurate info

[pine basin]

Isn’t that a good thing?

[split dove]

probably 40 max bc it's gonna be a early access title

[grim kestrel]

🍿

[pine basin]

Also, I’m pretty sure they are adding new features. It’s not just a new engine.

[split dove]

yh

[pine basin]

The UE5 update would be a filler game. ASA is a remake. I wouldn’t consider it a scam if they deliver what’s promised. We will see

Also, new dlc. It could be revolutionary, depending on what they are planning for that

[mellow wadi]

when does ASA come out?

[winged dome]

End of October

[noble jewel]

Could be a lot of things. I have yet to see any gameplay videos or really anything substantial. So it's really hard to tell what WC is cooking up.

[potent hull]

wc is cooking you up on a fryingpain lol

[main bane]

will there be community crunches after officaIL Servers shut down ?

[winged dome]

Yes, why wouldn't there be?

[vital jetty]

When was this mentioned?

[untold ingot]

Rumor

[stray elm]

Snail games retweeted it.

[stray elm]

Isn't a rumor, Snail games stated they're doing it on their Twitter.

[untold ingot]

Ah

[desert swallow]

Streamers get it so they can ban them early

[untold ingot]

So basically shi Hai and his grand kid get to play early

[stray elm]

Oh, they've probably 'been' playing it

[vital jetty]

Talking about the Arkade tweet?

[untold ingot]

10/10 they won't give it to anyone credible

[stray elm]

Yeah, and the fact Snail games confirmed the tweet to be accurate

[winged dome]

Look forward to your key Raq!
/j

[vital jetty]

Read that tweet again. It says people will be given codes for steam ON LAUNCH. lmao

[untold ingot]

What's that supposed to mean

[stray elm]

Oh, fair actually.

[winged dome]

[vital jetty]

I scrolled back so far like what am I missing xD lol

[vague cloud]

when is ark ascended coming out?

[stray elm]

End of October