ark-2

[blissful perch]

Time

(Nobody knows)

[marble basin]

Dare i be excited over ASA or are they gonna pull an Ark on it

[near shale]

be excited, but also be healthily skeptical

[manic panther]

I’m looking forward to winter wonderland drops as people won’t have skiffs and dragons to get to them first, it will be argy racing

[true fox]

2 weeks left of officials. No ASA updates. Trying hard to be optimistic

[south lance]

i wont worry about it unless theres another delay

[marble basin]

Ark really employed every classmate that didnt have any schoolproject finished in time

[south lance]

programmers be like that honestly

im starting to realize 80% of cs people are just there because they spent too much time gaming and never had any other valuable hobby

[true fox]

Delay seems somewhat inevitable at this point. Nothing on steam. Zero gameplay only random theatrical trailers.

[marble basin]

cs?

[south lance]

programmers

[true fox]

Computer science

[marble basin]

ah

[stoic jay]

Nah been confirmed in general chat to be October still

[winged dome]

A hobby doesn't need to be valuable. Its what you do in your free time. People are allowed to have fun 😬

[south lance]

no i get that

but like, most engineers ik actually do a lot of projects before getting into the major

most science majors ik studied their respective science

but most cs people ik never really did cs

actually, mechanical engineering is also kinda like this

even business majors usually have some experience with investment and stuff

but cs? its always the default major

want money but havent developed skills prior to now? major cs

[tropic crag]

What does this have to do with Ark 2?

[south lance]

someone said wc only hired the kids who always turned things in late

i said that thats basically programmers as a whole

[marble basin]

yea i didnt find an asa chat

[south lance]

there isnt ine

this is the asa chat until asa releases, then youll just use the general and ark chats

[marble basin]

they delayed the adding of that

[winged dome]

The point of Majoring is to develop those skills 🤔
I know I had no applicable skill when I started learning Physics/Engineering.

[tropic crag]

Still has no obvious reason to be in this chat, still wildly unrelated...

[marble basin]

slight detour, doesnt matter

[south lance]

sure, but practically most people in physics actually studied physics casually, engineers generally played around with parts and made projects or are obsessed with tech

[winged dome]

Lets talk about the recent Ark2 news
oh wait 😂
/j

[marble basin]

Cant really talk about ark 2 stuff since they never release shit 💀

[south lance]

all the ark2 convos have been had

[tropic crag]

Well, they gotta live up to the accusations, right?

[marble basin]

Squeezing out every last drop of the ark 2 content we have

[south lance]

(not really but nobody wants to say anything new)

i blame the people who exclusively come here to bash ideas

[marble basin]

Im only bashing the delays

[south lance]

the people i refer to arent active anymore

[tropic crag]

I want more delays

Bring em on

[south lance]

if they are, there arent any new ideas to bash anyhow

[marble basin]

"I cant be hurt anymore"

[south lance]

just open transfers 😭

sacrifice the 5-20 people tribes

to save the 1-5 people ones

[tropic crag]

More delays=games are more polished, just look at TotK

[marble basin]

But give us a damn real delay and not these 10 shitty optimistic ones

[tropic crag]

Got so delayed, but because Nintendo knows how to make games, it was ok and everyone agreed it was a good thing

[marble basin]

Better say it comes in 2 years and finish early then to dissapoint 10 times over with optimistic short delays

[south lance]

as it stands im apathetic to the release date

i think it would be really annoying to the people who still have a lot of time to play ark but now all the servers are dying because everyone is waiting on asa

[tropic crag]

The game was functionally ready to ship in like mid 2022 or some such, but they delayed to refine the physics engine

[marble basin]

theyve done it with every dlc and project

would be fine if it was 1-2 times

Whoevers putting deadlines are the number 1 optimist on earth

[south lance]

does it matter tho

[marble basin]

which thing

[south lance]

delays

[marble basin]

Yes

[south lance]

like excluding cases where a game is delayed multiple years in short delays

[tropic crag]

To the current age overly needy gamer, yes

[south lance]

since then its just spam news

[mint swan]

Im convinced it’s part of there marketing scheme,get more people talking about it weather it’s good or bad .just want the attention lol

[tropic crag]

The current average gamer is basically just a shareholder in disguise, but with no real reason to be listened to

[marble basin]

Theres no negative effect on hype and community bec of all the small delays revolving this?

[south lance]

the community is apathetic

[marble basin]

I think most people outside of the group youre mentioning have similiar thoughts tbh

[south lance]

but the community is addicted to ark

[tropic crag]

The game gets all that back as soon as release date hits, so no 😂

[south lance]

so theyll still buy it

the issue is with new players

[split dove]

## addicts

[marble basin]

Nah i think they lose quite a bit of traffic from arks rumours and behaviour

[south lance]

it unironically might be better to delay just so people forget about the conquest incident

[tropic crag]

You'd think wrong, then

History shows otherwise

[marble basin]

Other games that have done the same but on a smaller scale have lost alot of traffic

[south lance]

since nobody talks about ark ezcept in that case

[marble basin]

Mustve missed all of them

[tropic crag]

Because they weren't wildly successful and unique, yeah

[marble basin]

I think it hurts more than doing good tho, bec when it actually releases people have MUCH much higher expectations and if it dont then the reviews will be "Well why the delays bla bla bla"

[marble basin]

Overwatch 2 for example

its basically dead now, and was from release

[tropic crag]

Because it was shit, no?

[winged dome]

But Overwatch1 did great

[marble basin]

Overwatch 1 did great

but ow 2 got delayed a few times

[winged dome]

Not just delayed, it was cut to ribbons content-wise

[tropic crag]

I assure you, it wasn't the delays that killed OW2 LMAO

[marble basin]

tried to build up hype and create a polished game, everyones expectations skyrocketed but they released a overwatch 0.75

[marble basin]

Yep

[marble basin]

Partly

Just saying that there are examples where the release doesnt just revive the game and hype

[tropic crag]

There were far more factors in OW2's demise, though. It's somewhat of an unfair comparison

[marble basin]

sons of the forest

[tropic crag]

Pretty sure that was rather successful, was it not?

[desert swallow]

ya it was

[split dove]

but we have to make it look like the delays were the reason it failed, not the awful changes made to said games

[marble basin]

No it was horrendous at launch with the ending

[desert swallow]

people don't play the forest for the ending for the most part

and they've since updated it.

[marble basin]

The reviews were shit, price and content didnt match

[tropic crag]

Then idk what SotF you were playing, maybe the Ark one 🤣 ?

[marble basin]

Brother it had 10 minutes of gameplay

to finish the story

[tropic crag]

It's a great game, I still play every now and then

[winged dome]

I could never get to that SotF ending 😭

[tropic crag]

Yeah, if you cheated

[marble basin]

If you ran from spawn past everything

[tropic crag]

#ripstickspeedruncheese

[winged dome]

So, intentionally skipping content makes a game short 🤔

Who knew

[split dove]

## wowsers

[tropic crag]

Which... wasn't part of the main design of the game? What are you getting at lol

[marble basin]

No we were talking about games that got delayed and still didnt get a successful launch

[desert swallow]

I played sons of the forest on launch. Our family played together, we explored the island and eventually beat the game, it was a great experience all around.

[marble basin]

Youre jumping past the point we were talking about tho

[tropic crag]

It was very successful, so you're just wrong

I'm really not

[marble basin]

What about the backlash then

[desert swallow]

We are going to play it again when it enters full release

[tropic crag]

You're just factually wrong

[marble basin]

Jumping past the point but sure

[tropic crag]

I also await full release, gonna be so cash

The Forest players knew what they were getting, some others didn't. Really not that hard to parse why some reviewers were so harsh on the game, and reviews aren't everything

[desert swallow]

This guy you talking to just doesn't like exploration games or something?

[marble basin]

Read from the start

[tropic crag]

It's like saying Ark was trash on release because it only had like 10 dinos and no breeding

[marble basin]

Yall really keep pushing past the point, not what the arguement was about

[tropic crag]

People exploded onto Ark when it first released

[desert swallow]

what was it about then? Summarize. I kept scrolling and it was still going. Not reading that.

[tropic crag]

Then what is your argument? You keep saying this, but I've been rebutting the same point from the get-go

[marble basin]

That history has shown that some games, with delays to improve the released product, doesnt always turn out good

[tropic crag]

This is said point I was referring to, just to be sure

[marble basin]

hurts reputaion and other factors that could be avoided if many delays wasnt there

[tropic crag]

Ah, so it is the same point

[marble basin]

Youre so passive agressive lol

im just arguing

[tropic crag]

I'm just trying to understand where the point I was arguing against changed, you kept saying I was ignoring it when it was the only point I was going off of...

[marble basin]

Its fine, not in the mood to keep arguing

[tropic crag]

Understandable, it's ok to just say that, you know

If that was in fact the crux of the situation

[marble basin]

Yea i dont have any interest to keep arguing where people keep being passive agressive and on purpose trying to make you sound dumb, also no energy lol

[tropic crag]

I am in no way trying to make you sound dumb, just pointing out the facts and arguing my understanding of the conversational piece at hand 🤷‍♂️

[sly mica]

Facts ☝️

[blissful perch]

This is one of the most laid back arguments Bruising has ever participated in (as an FYI)

[blissful perch]

Delays to release aren’t a deal killer IF the product is able to reclaim that audience after launch. That can come from marketing, a strong product, lack of competition, etc, but the point is that the delays themselves aren’t an issue IF the surroundings are ok

[marble basin]

100% agree

[wild grail]

anti cheat and fix exploits would make any version of ark popular again

[pine basin]

My concerns are because the surroundings don’t seem to be ok 😂

Consumers are on a crusade to cancel SG. WC is being a lot erratic about the development of their two games. Also very erratic, PR wise, about all their products, including the series.

I hope everything goes back to track after ASA’s release next month.

[wild grail]

is there a ASA channel?

[pine basin]

Every, and I mean 100%, game is exploitable by cheats and glitches. What they can do is make it harder to exploit.

[pine basin]

No

[thick tulip]

this channel

[tropic crag]

Wouldn't really say little to no information/radio silence is "erratic", they did this with almost every DLC release until they... well, had information to share

[pine basin]

Actually radio silence was their best decision so far. I mean before, when they talked. 😂

[wild grail]

Is ASA just a OW2 situation ? Should i wait for Ark2 ?

[pine basin]

OW2?

[wild grail]

overwatch 2

[south lance]

whats ow2 situation

[wild grail]

Same game new title

[pine basin]

So no, it’s not. At least based on the info we have so far.

[south lance]

its literally a remake idk what youre expecting

[wild grail]

Just curious

[blissful perch]

WC has had erratic PR since day 1 tho. Nothing new imo

[south lance]

like theyll touch up on some mechanics and add some more content

but the quality range with that is immense

so i dont think its enough info to imply itll be bad by calling it similar to ow2

now, other problrms with wc, you can take issue with

[wild grail]

Never said Ow2 was bad, i’m sure they made plenty of money

[south lance]

like balance changes and stuff

its the implication tho, since everyone else calls ow2 trash and thats a strong association now

but yeah the game isnt designed to be significantly diffetent from ase if thats what you mean

[tropic crag]

OW2 is bad, so uh yeah that's the thing you led with lmao

[blissful perch]

OW2 was in large respect a scam and a failure though. You had to repay for OW1 (which was entirely disabled for paying players), and the PvE mode was cancelled

[south lance]

ark2 will be the actually different game

[blissful perch]

Ark 2 and asa will not render anything in ASE unplayable except official servers - which is fine because all other unofficial play is available

[south lance]

whenever that comes out (2025 🤞 )

[wild grail]

Ah so ASA is the funding they need for Ark2

[pine basin]

Sure, that’s true. Hence why I still have high hopes for ASA and Ark 2, but I’d say I’m hopefully concerned.

[blissful perch]

I’d only be worried about the release date. The product will be fine

Just set expectations of “ark but a bit better” for asa and “ark but objectively better” for ark 2 and you’re good

[tropic crag]

And even then, if you're worrying about a release date for a video game, you have greater issues 😅

[south lance]

you can think of it that way if you want

[pine basin]

I hope you are right. ASA can be really good.

[south lance]

thats more or less my theory of why asa is being sold for 40

[split dove]

it will help fund it, but was it made just to help fund Ark 2 and not to make both sides of the community happy? unlikely

[pine basin]

Reasoning: 70% to fund Ark 2 and 30% to please the people that won’t like Ark 2

[wild grail]

I’d like to know how bad the financial state is at WC

[blissful perch]

Likely not bad

[grim kestrel]

Both can be true, it helps the funds in a smaller company. As well as gives people a look into what the new game engine will start offering.

It going to be a pretty good upgrade regardless with the fact they maintained a single game for 8 years.

[blissful perch]

No major layoffs or anything that indicates a serious bind

[pine basin]

You won’t, but they earned a lot of money in those 8 years

[blissful perch]

If asa flops that’s another story

[wild grail]

How many employees do they have?

at WC

[south lance]

the latest ive seen is 35 but thats a 2019 number

im sure they hired more since then to develop asa/ark2

[pine basin]

If ASA flops I would say they are pretty much done

[south lance]

i think theyll take some loans out for ark2 then

its ark2 i imagine everything rests on

[pine basin]

Not broken, but done in the sense people will be totally distrustful about them

[grim kestrel]

When looked up it only showed 2018, so just 5 years ago they had 35-38 employees

[blissful perch]

My guess is an ASA flop will harm the scope of ark 2. And if ark 2 flops that’s big bad

[split dove]

and big sad

[south lance]

if ark2 flops the company is over

shi hai will go back to burning flash games to the ground

and wc devs go to some random indie studio idk

i cant imagine the devs arent highly sought after considering what theyve managed so far design wise

[wild grail]

They pull about 20 million a year, wonder how much the 4 founders take

[south lance]

i mean average income assuming 100% of that goes to income is like 500k

[wild grail]

It’s got 98 employees per their linkedin

[south lance]

they could lose out on 80% of that to snail or smthn and still make good money

[pine basin]

Would you give money to a company with their history(taking into account ASA failing)?

[south lance]

ill give them a 10% loan

[blissful perch]

Operating costs likely means only about 40-60% is on personnel

[south lance]

still a lotta money

[south lance]

10-30%

[wild grail]

Guess i have to take back my blame of them not hiring anyone. Don’t make enough money to.

[pine basin]

They’ve hired a lot of people actually

[wild grail]

Says they are hiring on their website, if anyone’s looking for a job

[south lance]

how tf are credit card companies at 25 %

[pine basin]

I remember they used to publish cartoons with their staff

[grim kestrel]

What they've done so far? They have an exceptionally good MMO open world game with a ton of moving parts that has been successful for almost a decade now. The devs that are higher up in the credits of the game if they wanted to could probably go anywhere.

Coming from someone like me who grades open world games at the level of What Rockstar Games does which is a heavy grade. Wildcard has done honestly a fantastic job with what they have had to work with.

[pine basin]

And the numbers were growing year after year

[wild grail]

it’s what it should have always been

that’s why americas in the mess we are in. If interest rates would have been higher all these years

we would be sitting ncie as a country

[south lance]

i think youd need a decent education system first but also idk if mods are online

[wild grail]

but the jokes of people they hire for economics for the government don’t understand 🤦‍♂️ nor do the masses

If the interest rates are low that’s when u should worry

[south lance]

maybe ill study macroeconomics one day

[wild grail]

America needs more people to lol

[south lance]

in the meantime ill try to produce tangible goods

[blissful perch]

Some excellent free material is out there for economics that teaches you the basics. Stuff like why low interest rates are good if you want to encourage borrowing

[south lance]

i get that

[pine basin]

That’s not always true. It depends on what kind of cycle the economy is

[south lance]

but that wont allow me to argue about economics

i need to at least exceed the average junior undergrad in econ

[wild grail]

Only bad comes from low interest rates

[south lance]

it couldnt be that hard since its all made up anyways

like philosophy

[grim kestrel]

Getting off topic of Ark 2 and ASA

[pine basin]

Only bad comes from negative interest rates

Low interest rates are ok, as long as you are in the right cycle for that

[wild grail]

Low interest rates directly cause debt

no way around it

[pine basin]

Not at all… bad education does

I mean, there are productive loans and bad loans

You can business without credit

[wild grail]

Redistributing blame is a common theme in this server lol

[pine basin]

And depending on the economic cycle, you just can’t have high interest rates

[wild grail]

Should cycle medium and high, low interest rates cause a terrible amount of consequences and they don’t make up for it

[fallow niche]

Can bring it back on topic of at least Ark lol

[wild grail]

Yeah that’s my bad

[south lance]

rats, mods here

no more argument guys

[pine basin]

If ase servers are going down the 30, it means asa servers will be up in the next day?

[fallow niche]

We can hope, cross your fingies

[south lance]

the devs will surprise us with 1 month of touching grass actuslly

no ark offi for you until Halloween

[split dove]

good

[blissful perch]

Based WC moment tbh

What would also be based? An ingame market system. That may actually make me want to play ark 2 official

[split dove]

(it won't make me touch ark official ever again regardless)

[blissful perch]

Idk. I do love me a good player driven market economy…get me some fun crafting or looting systems and a market to sell them and I have a purpose to play an MMO again

[pine basin]

I would like a Fear Ascended Event, just saying

[pine basin]

The sad thing is Atlas had nice ideas, including that one, they should have implemented a system where you would be able to set up stores in the Freeports. I have no idea if they did, because I quit playing it.

[patent valve]

The real question is; will we get Fear Evolved on ASA this year? 😉

[south lance]

the better graphics offer a lot more potential

but i dont think the devs can make ark scary

[split dove]

superman thyla that jumps at you accros the map as soon as it can get to you in a straight line

[tribal chasm]

cannonball skin that turns them into pumpkins

Halloween colors are some of the most disgusting colors in Ark, all orange-brown shit, would be a terrible way to start ASA

[winged dome]

Really? I like the orange and browns

[tribal chasm]

I guess it could be worse, some of the other events are definitely more immersion ruining (ie full red, or white, or green dinos at xmas)

[tropic crag]

Yeah, the oranges and muted whites are really nice imo, Halloween probably fav event overall (music, content, skins, the whole thing)

[pine basin]

It shouldn’t be scary though. It should be like an horror comedy movie, like it’s been for the past events.

[pine basin]

Indeed, also dodorex, dodowyvern and their minions. No other event beats it.

[tropic forge]

seems someone dosent know that ASA will be release on early access

[tropic forge]

95% sure no events will happen until next year

[pine basin]

Seems someone doesn’t know ASE had events while in early-access

[tropic forge]

and yet you still dont get it

[pine basin]

I don’t, what do you mean?

[untold ingot]

It would be interesting to have an event on launch

Doesnt seem bug prone at all

[tropic forge]

not happening

[untold ingot]

You have inside information? or just supposition?

[tropic forge]

too much will be going on for them to make a event this year

[untold ingot]

Maybe, depends on the prep they have done

[patent valve]

5% chance apparently lol.

[tropic forge]

still aint bad 5% chance, i could give 0%

[untold ingot]

Where are you getting that percentage?

[tropic forge]

my years of ark exp

[untold ingot]

...

[patent valve]

Still would be awesome to see what they put out in ASA. So much more they can do there, hopefully with less buggy interuptions.

[tropic forge]

ence why i say no events

[untold ingot]

I am interested to see what engine they are using

[tropic forge]

they gonna spend rest of the year figuring out problems whit ASA otherwise there is no point of making ASA if is going to be the same thing as ASE

[patent valve]

5.2 last we were updated.

[untold ingot]

Well 5.2 was the most recent, but 5.3 just released. Are they going to be advancing with it?

[tropic forge]

can they make update jumps whitout having problems on coding?

[untold ingot]

Unless they did dumb coding, yes

For the most part

[patent valve]

yeah we will have to see, they will likely try to stay with the most stable.

[tropic forge]

cause yeh i sough 5.3 and makes a huge diference for sure

[patent valve]

I think the new engine makes the upgrades alot easier these days.

[untold ingot]

Every version of ue5 makes a big difference

[jaunty pewter]

If ark ascended releases next month how is there still 0. Gameplay?

[high kite]

hi

[pine basin]

Because

[jaunty pewter]

What shouldn’t it be nearly done

[pine basin]

No. They even said it will be an early access release.

If you want something finished/polished, wait another (give or take).

[jaunty pewter]

So first gameplay will be released at launch

[pine basin]

No idea

[fallow niche]

They also said they will share any trailers or gameplay until much closer to release

[pine basin]

But I guess it will be released before the release

[stoic shadow]

what is all the chatter about. is there some news?

[pine basin]

No news

[tropic forge]

plus it will be only the island map whit not transfers until SE

[blissful perch]

Atlas imo failed because it didn’t learn from ark’s failures when it came to level design. Massive maps with horrendously long travel times and a too-deep (IE tedious) survival system coupled with a lot of the PvP baggage of ark made it a very tough sell

[stoic shadow]

I like that idea. maybe a item storage space as well in that area.

is there going to be a ocean DLC as well? just reading the name @blissful perch

[blissful perch]

No, that’s my pitch

My strong argument is to have ark 2 release with NO ocean, and have a DLC entirely dedicated to it

[stoic shadow]

sounds like a waste of money. maybe expand an ocean make it look really nice. coral reaf, new tames to that area. island , maybe a tyoe of build that helps adapt to the area...

[blissful perch]

That would all be standard expectations for a DLC commitment

[untold ingot]

I mean, oceans are so easy to make in ue5 that it doesnt make sense to not have one

[blissful perch]

Water is easy. Aquatic combat and mechanics are likely not

[pine basin]

I’m not sure why it failed, but I didn’t quit because of the big map. I actually liked the big map. The main reason I quit is people from my company stopped playing it and there weren’t good unnoficials. So I just got back to Ark after ~6 months.

[stoic shadow]

I know little about that but I am inclined to agree.

[tribal chasm]

I think it's disappointing both caves + ocean became irrelevant for resources very early on into Ark

in terms of any rare resources*

[pine basin]

Don’t you think the ability to travel between maps without having to teleport would be a good thing?

[patent valve]

it failed cuz unofficials were stupid expensive to host.

[pine basin]

Given they fix the traveling issues Atlas had

[patent valve]

each quadrant was more money, in order to host the whole map it was about 9x the cost of hosting an Ark map

[stoic shadow]

it is going to make raiding more fun. who like building in caves and trying to raid them?

[pine basin]

Well, we had Blackwood, but the funny part about atlas was in part because of the huge map

[blissful perch]

Transfer like an obelisk or teleport like Gen 1?

[pine basin]

Transfer actually

Teleport would be fine

But limiting what you can carry with you while teleporting/fast traveling

I know it’s cannon in ASE the arks are totally segregated

But the new dlc could be a new large map from earth, or aratai before Ark 2

Having a large map, fixing the issues we saw in atlas, I think would be nice

[untold ingot]

Ue5 is capable of that by default

[blissful perch]

It depends on how the map is constructed. Physically large is meaningless if it doesn’t do something for gameplay

[pine basin]

Of course, I was thinking on implementing new mechanics so it would be worth to have a large map

Like new way to do bosses. I liked the bosses in atlas, it was kinda a global event

But like someone said earlier, I don’t think huge changes like that would be implemented on ASA

[untold ingot]

I mean, its already worth having a large map for ark

[pine basin]

IMO yes, but I think we would need some mechanics changes so it would worth

[stoic shadow]

the larger the map the more space people can cram into and fight to be top dog.

[pine basin]

Or it would just be an empty huge land

[stoic shadow]

lol

[pine basin]

Instead of having 20 servers with different maps in a cluster, we could have just one map, that’s what I think would be more interesting

[stoic shadow]

100%

[tropic forge]

it must be nice to have huge map like you guys talking whit almost no life to it

[pine basin]

“They would need to change some mechanics” would fix this

Ark 2 will have world events

Just use the huge map to host those world events

[stoic shadow]

maybe set it up as a pangia or hawaiian island.

[untold ingot]

On the official side of it, having huge empty land is a definite plus

[tropic forge]

not even thinking about that, im just remember what cidric said once about cristal island having many part lifeless due the fact they hit the max wild dinos count before breaking the server

[pine basin]

To build bases, yes

[tropic forge]

not sure how that will work whit UE5

[pine basin]

TBF crystal is a community map, on an old engine for an old game

[stoic shadow]

there will be some factors that will come into it. to see if it will work

[pine basin]

Also, like raq said, empty spaces can be just places where players are supposed to occupy and build their bases

[tropic forge]

yeh that dosent work normally 🤣

i have see ppl building on top or right next to metal nodes so they havent to more around to grind 🤣

although thats pve

[untold ingot]

You cant tell me that a bigger map with evenly spread resources doesnt allow for more build locations in pve lol

[stoic shadow]

PVE sucks in ark. Map filled with junk and key parts walled off. single player is the best PVE experence

[tropic forge]

if those areas aint flat enough to build their "little" castles it will be more empty space

[pine basin]

It’s clear to me they never really cared about the official pve servers, or they would have implemented more exclusion zones for the maps

There are lots of mods and plugins just to fix that

[tropic forge]

yeh wc dont care or aleast gives the vibe they dont care much about the pve servers

[stoic shadow]

I am ready for city skylines 2. It even comes out on my birthday.

[grim kestrel]

That a personal preference not a factual statement.

As someone who started PvE briefly in official and transistioned to unofficial still PvE no specific mode will ever be suited for everyone, but one of the best parts of PvE is the player based economy and trading among others within the community of those servers.

Best experience was unofficial where auctions got held for anything you thought someone else might be interested in and we used ingots as universal currency during auctions.

[pine basin]

I think missed his point

The fact you liked more the moderated unnofficial just corroborates with his point

Official pve serves are just a spam fest of structures

[stoic shadow]

I am happy you had a better expence then me.

[pine basin]

Caves with artifacts blocked

[tropic forge]

?

on pve?

[pine basin]

You can block entrances unfortunately

[grim kestrel]

No, I hit the point cause single player in my opinion is the worst experience cause it just blanklessly going through motion with no player interaction.

Which falls under personal preference as I stated earlier. Some people can play solo in single player.

[tropic forge]

maybe when was on launch of ASE but since i play on ps4 that wasent possible

but blocking a obelisk yah you could for a certain time

[pine basin]

Last time I checked, it was possible to block caves with artifacts

[grim kestrel]

I feel like Ark is the kind of game that is best experienced online rather it PvP or PvE as player interaction drastically changes the experience

[tropic crag]

ence

[pine basin]

You can’t build close to the artifacts, but it was possible to block the caves

[tropic forge]

if you put dinos there sure

[stoic shadow]

lol we are way down the rabbit hole from ark 2, asa

[grim kestrel]

Which is where unofficial becomes better than official especially if it discord managed with good admins to monitor the cluster closer than official can due to the large number of official servers

[tropic forge]

not really infact its a huge problem related of pve side of ark

[pine basin]

It is for sure, but WC never cared much about pve. The best pve servers are unnofficials, because the people that run those can use ini/mods/plugins to fix what Wc didn’t

[pine basin]

That’s my whole point

Im not saying single player is better, I’m saying official pve is broken

[tropic crag]

People really be not taking the aquatic terrain into account around here, smh my head 😂

[grim kestrel]

I wouldn't say that, when the short time I played on official I did have two different tribes structures removed from land grabbing that allowed us to build where we wanted.

It just a matter of reporting enough information

[pine basin]

Unfortunately most people will just move or give up, becaus the support takes too much time solve things

[stoic shadow]

If they can make it as good as the second avtar with water seens it would be cool.

[pine basin]

Blocking building would be more efficient

[stoic shadow]

wait for ark two they should add water, air, earth and fire bending. LOL

[pine basin]

Blocking points of interest of course

[grim kestrel]

It obviously going to take time considering there tens of thousands of official servers and a company with less than 1000 employees

[untold ingot]

There arent tens of thousands of official servers though

[pine basin]

That’s my point, it’s broken because it’s annoying to play like that

[untold ingot]

The point is still valid though

[stoic shadow]

WC do not care about gamer experience. they only care about money in their hands. Hints all the griping as of late.

[untold ingot]

And the above message is a wonderful demonstration of why we dont have much info

[pine basin]

I wouldn’t say that, but they just focused too much on pvp

[untold ingot]

The pvp community says they focus too much on pve.

[pine basin]

They do, but that’s not true, and I’d call myself a pvp player, but when I tried pve I could tell they didn’t care much about this mode

[grim kestrel]

If that was the case they wouldn't hold events as often as they do, they wouldn't push cross platform play and modding like they are, and they wouldn't hold community voting to determine what creatures get added.

[pine basin]

Everything is balanced for pvp

[stoic shadow]

I hope they keep me in the dark. I have not had the surprise of a game sense I was a kid. I want to boot it up and not know what I am getting but know it is going to be good.

[stoic shadow]

it is like charismas but better.

[untold ingot]

Meaning?

[grim kestrel]

Then you have lived blind to the most notorious company Rockstar Games that basically guarantee game of the year and when they announce a release other companies basically push safely around their title cause they know if they release to close to RG their game would be eclipsed in sells.

However that is off topic and my only response before we get back to Ark topic

[stoic shadow]

I have heard of the, Looking them up and I see all titles; I would not even dream of playing yet alone paying for. Most people lack taste in good games.

Anyway I am happy I found ark. It was just what I was looking for in 2019.

[grim kestrel]

I think it might be you who lacks taste for good games, they push the bar far beyond any company every time they release a game.

Wildcard I am hoping becomes the second tier company with how good ASE has been which is why I am looking forward to see how ASA and Ark 2 turn out to see where Wildcard stands for me.

[stoic shadow]

it very well may be the case. I too am exiecty looking at how WC far's in the comming years.

[untold ingot]

Honestly I stand with the most people have poor taste in games arguement

[grim kestrel]

Unreal Engine 5 definitely going to be something to check out.

[tropic crag]

Funny thing about this looking back, Ark had that in EA, they removed it though

[grim kestrel]

Cross play going to make unofficial great at least for PvE as it going to open up a huge community opportunity for discord ran servers

[tropic crag]

Or rather, added arenas

Most people do have bad taste in games though, otherwise we wouldn't be getting the drivel we are typically getting these days. Think the yearly CoD and Battlefield shovelware, the mobile games out the wazoo, MTX garbage left and right, etc etc

Remember folks, you vote with your wallet

[stoic shadow]

100% right

[grim kestrel]

Without doubt, the last CoD I bought was BO4 and it was strictly for blackout. Haven't touched an FPS since. Shooters have turned inheritly toxic, but I put that to the PvP mindset of people because majority of PvP players all they care about is finding the meta to gain a superficial win or play as cheap as possible to make themself feel better.

Sportmanship in PvP is 1% nowadays

[tropic crag]

Yeah, most FPS are pretty bad in that regard, the only one I play that isn't singleplayer these days is Hunt: Showdown really, most people there are pretty sporting

But I'd definitely buy a new CoD if either the multiplayer was actually any fun and it was not super buggy or it at least had zombies, if even that (looking at you, Vanguard 😒)

[grim kestrel]

Treyarch was the company that did zombies well until Activision started stepping on toes causing two of the founders to quit and go their own way. Activision ruined the zombie experience.

[tropic crag]

Really unfortunate, that

[grim kestrel]

But to get back on topic..

I think I might look into two unofficial clusters ran seperately on ASA, one for purely PvE and one with strict arena based PvP rest PvE.

[tropic crag]

I'm likely going to be starting the same for my community, when the info about and ability to do so arises

[blissful perch]

Imo the easy part is a lifeless setting. The hard part is making it as immersive and complex as a terrestrial one, especially if ark 2 is raising the bar big time on what the standard land experience will be

[tropic crag]

Yeah, I just meant like the terrain/landscape of the underwater environments don't tend to get a lot of attention by players, the ecology and such.

I sure do love a big ocean with a bunch of random shit in it à la Gen 1, but I would like to see the environment actually make sense for the inhabitants too, seeing as Ark 2 isn't that hypercurated test tube baby rex that ASE was. These things actually had to evolve on Arat for (insert unspecified timeframe here) so I'd like to see the dinos all have their niche in the environments but also fit in visually and naturally, if that makes sense.

Also, I was basically just riffing on what everyone else said and agreeing with you in a (understandably rather obtuse) way lol

But anyways, yeah woohoo yeah ocean DLC all the way woohoo yeah

[south lance]

you need more caves underwater

like in gen1

[tropic crag]

If caves were the focus of progression like Ark 1, yes I would agree

[south lance]

with resources and creatures

my wifi :(

[south lance]

its the only way to make oceans very useful imo

[tropic crag]

Again, for Ark 1, sure

There's multitudes of ways they could make them more interesting in their own little DLC for Ark 2, though

And now my goddamn E key is going out, shit

[south lance]

oh this was for ark2

i dunno what theyll do with ark2 oceans

i hope food and organic material becomes more important over inorganic like metal nodes

make the game revolve around food or smthn

cap the actual armor and weapons to primitive, make the game revolve around food and stuff you get from dinos be the primary kit resources

so maybe you harvest hide from dinos but its durability is really low, so you constantly need to find new dinos for hide, and youll fight for those population centers

the oceans can be shallow and functjon as a place for random substances and food

[blissful perch]

Ahhh I getcha

[south lance]

basically i want everything to be more temporary

you can cap progress a bit to balance out the time requirements for constant upkeep

i dont want current food system ofc

but like make meat running the end game thing rather than metal farming

now you can just farm meat in a greenhouse xd

[grim kestrel]

food and hydration is necessary I think, part of being a survival.

Only thing I could see being reasonable to reduce "grind" time is have smaller resource requirements and tone down the breeding time.

[blissful perch]

If ark 100 days videos weren’t primarily breeding I’d love the content so much more. Imo it’s imperative for ark 2 to find another time sink

[grim kestrel]

Anyone who good at content creating would edit out most of that as off air time I would think.

[blissful perch]

They do - but hearing “I spent X days breeding” and X is somewhere between 40-60 of the days of the video…it’s painful

[grim kestrel]

I do agree breeding could be cut down on official, that honestly what pushed the group I play with to unofficial.

[blissful perch]

Cutting out stat mutations (or at minimum the need for them to complete the game) would also be great

[grim kestrel]

That where I disagree, stat and color mutation was really what made breeding worth doing

[blissful perch]

I’d so much rather those 100 days videos be about the struggle to survive or the lucky break events than “find X, tame it in trap -> breed X -> grind mats -> repeat”

[blissful perch]

Breeding shouldn’t be worth doing beyond imprint and spare tames imo 🤷‍♂️

It should be a minor affair rather than the central element of late game gameplay

Color mutations or small stat boosts are prolly fine for the folks who want to hard dedicate to the effort…but it shouldn’t be required to get your foot in the door for PvP or to beat the PvE content

[tribal chasm]

are those 100 'ingame' days or 100 IRL days

[blissful perch]

100 ingame days

[grim kestrel]

I won't make counter to PvP to much as I don't play it, but I do think that breeding should play apart in stats if for nothing more than that how you have to get boss ready. I don't think you should be able to tame boss ready dinos

[blissful perch]

You can improve your tames in other ways or require special materials earned through challenges to fight bosses

[desert swallow]

mutagen was a test run for this I'm sure.

[blissful perch]

Agree with that

I think it was a step in the right direction for sure

[lime forge]

Instance based arenas and dungeons just like our favorite mmo

[vital jetty]

tbf that's also in game days, not actual, with super fast breeding rates.

And most of those use the single player option which nerfs the bosses and makes your dinos stronger, so it's not even AS needed as it seems.

[vital jetty]

You can do MANY bosses solo as it is. Only requiring something like a frog/Kangaroo or other things to cheese the bosses.

Tames really just make it faster for farming than anything else.

[pure locust]

when does this game come out

[lime forge]

Next year as of now

[stray elm]

End of 2024

[pure locust]

seriously

[grim kestrel]

ASA
ARK: Survival Ascended will now be a standalone package released on every platform (PC Windows/Steam, Xbox Series S/X, and PlayStation 5) at $39.99.

The package will include the following pieces of content built-in (not sold separately), with each remastered and altered for the next-generation on Unreal Engine 5: w/Cross Play and Cross Platform Modding

The Island (Released at Launch in __October__)
Survival of the Fittest: The Island
Scorched Earth (Release in December)
Ragnarok & Aberration (Released by Q1 2024)

Extinction, Genesis Part 1, Genesis Part 2, and all the community-created maps are also to be released over time in 2024 (Fjordur, Ragnarok, The Center, Lost Island, Valguero, Crystal Isles)

---

ARK 2
Coming day one to Game Pass
Console ● PC
No official release date ● Currently slated target for 2024

Cross-platform modding and next-gen tech
User-created Mods & Maps are now distributed across all platforms, including modded unofficial servers! Using Unreal Engine 5, new lighting systems enable photorealistic day-night cycle, with real-time generation of ambient lighting & shadows.

Best-in-class, third-person action
Advanced character traversal mechanics like mantling, free-climbing, parkour, sliding, and swinging! An emphasis on ‘Souls-like’ melee combat driven by player skill, with target-lock, blocks, dodges, combos, staggers, and special attacks.

Dynamic alien world
Explore a mysterious world where events happen independent of your presence, and your choices to interact with these occurrences yield rewards or challenges. Hostile ‘Aratai’ hunt you riding tamed creatures, seeking to drive out human interlopers.

Rearchitected gameplay
Construct unique gear from distinct modules & materials to customize form & function. Progress on a skill tree filled with abilities, perks, & passives. Animals use dynamic pathfinding to maneuver around obstacles, and hunt by sight, sound, & smell.

(Ark 2 information come from Microsoft Xbox's website where they were given details to advertise.)

[stray elm]

Holy fucking wall text

[grim kestrel]

Saved a document for when people ask about information and release of Ark 2 and ASA. Better than having to constantly type out same responses to a question that going to be asked 100 more times before it said and done

[lime forge]

That’s kind of obnoxious

Or you could just direct them to the pins

[stray elm]

Yeaaaaah

[tropic crag]

"I don't wanna look at the pins, just tell me"

I for one appreciate the effort

[daring kayak]

When its coming out

[lime forge]

Next year

[blissful perch]

You gotta step back and see my point though. Even with rate and other changes, it’s STILL a massive chunk of the run

[tribal chasm]

I disagree strongly with the opinion I'll be frank, Ark was never designed around 100 in-game day challenges, and it would be silly to say like...
A huge part of Ark is the Pokemon-like hunting down of creatures, trying to find the best stats, sometimes colors...
If they wanna have more survival, instead of breeding or whatever, they can use mods or increase rates to their liking

[blissful perch]

Nothing I said indicates ark should be designed around 100 day challenges

I’m saying that content creators spend a huge amount of time on this stuff - I cited a particular enjoyable type for me, but even more “standard” slow paced content has a massive breeding lens

[tribal chasm]

When solo you have the other grinds that will take a lot longer anyway, like obtaining blueprints is very RNG too...looting crates every 1-2 hours and praying you don't get unlucky for 4 weeks

[blissful perch]

In fairness, ark is a survival sandbox game. Breeding should be the mod in that case, since…the game is marketed as a survival game

It’s not marketed as a sim or breeding collection game

To take ark’s steam page: “Stranded on the shores of a mysterious island, you must learn to survive. Use your cunning to kill or tame the primeval creatures roaming the land, and encounter other players to survive, dominate... and escape!”

The only thing that mentions BP hunting or breeding is that RPG is a player added tag 😅. Hence my hope that ark 2 fixes them both to be less of the bulk of the gameplay experience

[smoky crow]

Anyone know current news on release date for ASA?

[lime forge]

October

[tropic crag]

It's not actually just user generated, it's also marked as such in the developer curated section 😅

The one just under the steam achievements, for reference

[blissful perch]

There’s both sets of tags right?

[stoic shadow]

nope

[tropic crag]

I don't think I understand what you mean, unless you're asking whether or not both types of tags exist, in which case yes they do but one is player defined and the other is developer defined

[blissful perch]

You understood me - I was making sure I wasn’t crazy in thinking there were player and dev added tags

[tropic crag]

Fair enough lol, it's 6am and I wasn't sure because the wording looked strange and all that noise

[blissful perch]

Yea nw, I also worded it like a chimp

[south lance]

when did prim plus die player wise

[winged dome]

Wasn't it around Extinction when it lost support? Or am I mistaken

[south lance]

if it lasted that long theres gotta be a lot of vids about the expetience

[blissful perch]

Prim plus was ill supported after SE came out - formal support was cut later

It was one of ark’s possible paths in development - between new gamemodes (possibly paid) or new paid DLC

[south lance]

was it not pretty full of content before support cut

was the main issue lag and bugs?

people weathered the same in 2016 ark so i wonder what the experience in prim plus pvp was like

im imagining everythings more temporary but idrk

now you gotta have bases set up for months to get everything down

i think cuttinf down that time would basically make everything better

[winged dome]

Actually, I think I remember Aberration release broke more features in Prim Plus, so that might have been the beginning of the end. Also about when Ark had the UI overhaul

[pine basin]

Prim plus never died, it just evolved to Ark 2

[winged dome]

Ohhhh, true true

[dry ingot]

Ark 2 : ReleaseDate; 2028

[desert swallow]

And rock drake saddle wasn't included in Prim Plus engrams, rumor has it that you could get it on drop from surface, but good luck doing that with just spinos and megalosaurs.

[worldly lotus]

2038*

[blissful perch]

I do remember some issues with available BPs that were “primitive”

[south lance]

i wonder if this means theyll do more gamemodes now

like do they regret not supporting prim plus instead of whatever they did

[mint swan]

What is the main Antagonist of ark ?

[south lance]

rockwell/element

[blissful perch]

Financially? No. Unknown if they regret it from a design angle

[south lance]

fair

[blissful perch]

Dollie only confirmed standard official PvP and PvE for ark 2 tho

[south lance]

i wonder if they even wanted gen1 and 2

didnt they want to end the story at extinction but for some reason went on to make the gens

[blissful perch]

Unknown what would grow out of that. I presume for asa they’d have more gamemodes given sotf is coming out with it at launch

[south lance]

idr what happened here

[blissful perch]

Needed funding from genesis games AND a testing ground for design to decide what to do for ark 2

[south lance]

aight

[mint swan]

No rockwell is dead

[south lance]

rockwells the only normal kind of antagonist for ark, but ye hes gone now

[blissful perch]

“Gone”

[south lance]

element is what made rockwell whatever he became tho, but element isnt a being

afaik, its more of an environmental issue

maybe it was sent by someone and they are the antagonist

[blissful perch]

Idk, but it’s clear it’ll be central to ark 2’s plot

[winged dome]

No one's really gone forever
-cue Rockwell laugh-

[south lance]

i didnt like his death at gen2 end so id be fine seeing him again

[winged dome]

Somehow Palpatine Rockwell returned. Again.

[blissful perch]

I actually really liked the end of genesis 2’s cutscene

[south lance]

itll be a meme tho

the cutscene is fine, i just didnt like the way he died

[blissful perch]

It felt right

It was an all or nothing moment. Fitting imo

[mint swan]

Rockwell always come back

[south lance]

rockwell is the seed for elements new consciousness after alpha titan was destroyed

that or it means nothijg and element is everywherr consuming other worlds

[blissful perch]

I firmly doubt that one. To think a universe wide force had one avatar seems silly

[south lance]

we dunno the exact extent of element afaik

[winged dome]

I'd kinda like to see RW return as a new survivor from the Genesis. See how he'd react to his Ark incarnation causing so much pain and suffering, and see if he'd try to atone or just try again

[blissful perch]

We saw it repeatedly on the genesis ship out in the cosmos

[south lance]

tho ig since thr gen2 space biome had element rotation it means its probably everywhere

ya

[blissful perch]

It seems to be common. It’s just a question of what it’ll do once it makes planet fall

[south lance]

lil nanotech gone awry

element is the paperclip maximizer

[blissful perch]

It’s not nanotech iirc. It’s just…a strange component of the universe

[south lance]

oh

[mint swan]

My théorie ? Éléments corrupt a random dino and he become the New alpha

[tropic forge]

gotta remember you have element from asteroids on gen2 as the ship fly's

[south lance]

ya

dump some element into the sun

if it ionizes its clearly manageable

[blissful perch]

Element is weird. It’s a liquid on Ab despite being fairly cool

[south lance]

thats why if its nanotech it makes sense

just a bunch of little machines

vibrating, looking for stuff to do, flowing past each other like water

[blissful perch]

It appears to be a native solid

So idk what the heck is up with AB’s element

[south lance]

linked up in certain cinditions

abberation is at elements critical point

or maybe it entered a dormant state as a solid

from the stress of a nuke

[tropic forge]

maybe its the planet's core??

[blissful perch]

Ab?

[south lance]

abberation is an ark

[blissful perch]

I mean it could be a meltdown of AB’s interior

[south lance]

big flying space station

all the arks were made from element no?

[tropic forge]

well yeh

[blissful perch]

A sludge of element and whatever else was liquified by the tek bombs

[winged dome]

Ab isn't a planet 🤔

[tropic forge]

but since ark's are kinda of simulation of the planet and since there's land there maybe some of the planet core was place on each ark for whatever reason?? temperature???

[split dove]

''no one's ever really gone''

[blissful perch]

Arks are more like boats than simulations

[winged dome]

Taking a rock/whatever out of a core of a planet makes it not really any different than a regular rock on the surface. It's missing the heat and pressure that makes the core of a planet ... well, a core

[south lance]

the arks can construct animals and shit and apparently its all based on what people think of animals as or smthn

which is i think why wyverns and deathworms exist

instead of real animals

[tropic forge]

its a sci fi game

anything can make or not sense

[pine basin]

Ark is literally the biblic name for a ship 😂

[tropic forge]

hell they could pull a venom kinda story for the element

[blissful perch]

The game piece means the lore is “whatever WC feels like”. However…

[south lance]

the lores still a creative guide

[blissful perch]

They do explicitly state the arks are lifeboats that hold the plants and animals needed to reseed earth post titan. IE, not a simulation

[pine basin]

Yeah, because that’s the meaning of an ark, coming from the Bible

[blissful perch]

You gotta generally follow (or at least be aware of) what’s explicitly stated unless told otherwise when it comes to lore

[pine basin]

Also, ASA will have the exactly same lore as ASE

[blissful perch]

It COULD have been arks like “these are simulations designed to test humans to be ready for the king titan” - technically close enough conceptually to be called an ark. But they wanted the Noah’s ark feeling with the arks being these massive spaces filled with life ready to reseed

[pine basin]

UNLESS the next and exclusive dlc brings more to it

[blissful perch]

It’ll have to

Nobody would buy a new lifeless DLC

[split dove]

the rockwell cooking dlc

[pine basin]

I don’t know man, ark AFAIK is a biblic name

[winged dome]

Cooking Mama, Ft Rockwell

[pine basin]

And it has this single meaning

[pine basin]

Hopefully

And huuuuuge map

Maybe 1 - earth post extinction
2 - Arat pre ark 2

My hopes above 😂

[tropic forge]

its funny that ppl here make more hype about stuff while wc barely does anything in last couple months aside from voting for crap creatures

[winged dome]

Except y'know, finishing production on a game and developing another. The devs aren't sharing much because everytime they do share something the community shits on it

[vital jetty]

A lot of the comments YOU have made in this very chat is what many others have complained about, which is why they quit posting ANYTHING.

They stated when it's near launch they'd post more in-depth things, and until then we'd get teasers, and they still got shit for it.

Unfortunately the Loud minority ruined any sort of teasers for the rest of us.

[tropic forge]

ho come on, for a remake about to be release next month they have nothing to show??? they must have a least have the island dino roost done plus the map itself, you think ppl would shit on them if they show pic (at least) of that?

aint a tree or a wall

[vital jetty]

It's not about having nothing to show, it's about WHEN they decide to show it.

And yeah, they'd probably find something to complain about regardless of what was shown. You included. If they posted a screenshot of something in game you'd be in here complaining it wasn't a video lol

[tropic forge]

if we were on oct yeh i would be saying why not a gameplay clip to show the UE5 update

[blissful perch]

I want this

Unironically I want a massive cooking overhaul to make it either a fun minigame or a really rewarding custom crafting mechanic (pls no poo system like ASE where spam is king)

[blissful perch]

An ingredient heavy game for ark 2 would be so damn fun. I’d kill to explore or cultivate weird plants to make into dishes

Gardening like subnautica (lots of plant types, low maintenance - the challenge is mostly getting a hold of the plants and the space needed to grow them) would be fantastic for this

[stray elm]

My inner chief craves this.

Allow us to harvest anything and put it into a stew.

[tropic forge]

damn here i though was something about ASA

[tropic crag]

Inner chief

[limpid locust]

bannana

mmmm 🙂

[blissful perch]

Facts

[vital jetty]

The post by Dollie was totally about ASA! be happy 😂

[thick moat]

If they add those animations game its going +18 😂

[tropic forge]

no way, those are the old asset's plus she says its from back then

[thick moat]

why would they

not even different animations would be a good idea, it's prob something that means nothing

[vital jetty]

I thought i was being obvious about the sarcasm but I guess not lol

[winged dome]

You gotta make it reaaaaaaaal obvious for some folk around here

[thick moat]

what hype does to a mf

[restive oxide]

Does Ark 2 have any mod?

[astral token]

Ark 2 have many mod in future

[restive oxide]

So about Now? I want to know

[astral token]

No…

[restive oxide]

Bruhhhhh

[astral token]

A game which isn’t out does not have mods, who would’ve guessed 🤯

[half shadow]

Is the new ark coming out next month? Or has it been pushed back ?

[mint swan]

As far as anyone knows it’s still planned to release some point in October

I hope ark 2 is more primitiv

[split dove]

it's gonna be primarily primitive

[half shadow]

Watch it be October 31

[hushed coyote]

Lol

I doubt they'll release it this year

[tropic crag]

Very original, gold star! 🌟

[smoky crater]

Is it true that u can’t play ark 2 on ps4?

[split dove]

if it comes to playstation it's only gonna be on next gen consoles, so no ps4 tech holding it back by being a bottleneck. it's time to move forward with consoles

[smoky crater]

Oh alr ty ^^

[split dove]

but as it stands atm it's gonna be a launch exclusive for pc and Xbox series x/s. mainly due to a deal between Wildcard and Xbox/Playstation not liking early access games a whole lot

[shadow citrus]

Have they even started working on ark 2 yet?

Apart from concept arts

[edgy agate]

idk

[heavy stag]

Bc AA is in development

[shadow citrus]

Well it better be

It’s supposed to come out in a month and we’ve got no trailers, no gameplay nothing apart from some rocks, bushes and concept art

[tropic crag]

Ark 2 isn't slated for release until next year, fam. You're likely thinking of ASA, which is coming out next month as far as we know

[split dove]

even with Asa, Ark 2 and Ark in general Wildcard has always kept gameplay trailers and such stuff closer to launch to show what's basicly the final product, not a test build 2 years in advance. and maybe with this community it's better for them to not show anything until it's close to release as nothing is ever good enough for these people. if they were to show Ark 2 gameplay 6 months before launch some things show could've been changed drasticly or been removed entirely compared to gameplay very close to launch wich has less chance of something like that being the case.

[split dove]

this is also a valid reason why we get so little communication bc of some people ruining it for both sides (Wildcard and the community)

[tropic forge]

like this year 1st of april poopyheads saying ppl were stupid to believe on that cc?

i see flobs change language after the reply thats a nice touch, anyway, i dont get why some even dare to think that "few" "many" (they cant decide) is making such impact of what wc is sharing really, if thats the case is wc so shy they aint gonna release ASA or ark 2 because ppl complaing they sharing a tree instead of other more relevant things?

lets be real if ppl continue to complain they might not release their games, lets all try it out see if that happens since the "many" "the Loud minority " as ruined wc will of sharing news 🤣

[astral token]

There’s a difference between denial post trauma and continual incessant whining

[tropic crag]

Fox, I highly suggest a visit to your local computer lab at the closest college or institution. Your grammar, punctuation, and just about everything else needs serious work before you're even allowed to talk shit on me lol

Also, inciting people to be assholes to the devs isn't a good look, bud 😬

[leaden tree]

me to men i just wondar if they will be in ark survivel ascendud

[stray elm]

They're confirmed to come back I believe, since they're an ASE item.
But the question is if they're releasing when the game comes out since they are part of the base-game now, or when Extinction drops.

[leaden tree]

ah oke thank u

[prisma acorn]

It makes perfect sense why they aren't doing updates. Updates and renders take time and money to make and that time and money could be spent on furthering the development of the game. So when they're spending this time and money on something that isn't receiving any good feedback because of people like Mr. Fox talking down on all the hard work that they're doing, why continue doing it? Just keep your heads down and continue work until it's done! I don't care if I ever see another update post on what they are doing as long as I get a finished product on what they've done.

Which is set to come out in October

[blissful perch]

What saddens me is that the community could be shaping developing more if transparency was still present

There was critical feedback given after seeing plans for ark 2 for example that led to Asa and likely other developments. I just wish the community’s delivery was less hostile and more constructive

[chrome igloo]

i think its likely cryopods are added earlier than extinction, maybe even on launch

[vital jetty]

I hope performance gains on UE5 are so great there's no need for cryos and they say good riddance to them 😄

[chrome igloo]

its still a convenient tool for transporting dinos or getting them out of the way

[grim kestrel]

Earliest I would think cryo might be added if they were to be added before extinction would be when scorched earth gets added if they do it for convenance rather than story for ASA. That just my take.

If the only map is the island then I believe cryos could be held off on

[tropic forge]

ho man, if they are spending that kinda of money after i read your comment on a pic of a tree, smith and couple of walls i guess a single dino asset is on the thousands of dollars maybe millions??? nobody care right now of those things, ppl want to see how dinos are on UE5 hows the island on UE5 cause for a remaster/remake being done in a couple of months asking for 40$ in early access thats coming next month aint nothing special but yeh everyone as a right of their opinion just a shame ppl are more focus on shitting other ppl instead of asking for answers of a game they plan to spend in early access

[vital jetty]

Cryos ruined proper prep for raiding, and made defenders advantage not a thing.

If cryos were a thing back when I 2v40'd two different megas for 8+ hours until the rest of the tribe came on, I doubt we would have actually been able to hold. The fact they had to continually have people leave and come back to try and get more dinos for pushing is one of the reasons we lived.

I'd much rather go back to those times than the time of cryos. Truly puts you out in the open world more too.

[stray elm]

I'd rather not go back to the days where I'm needing to take a shit load of wasted time to bring 20+ rexes to an obelisk.

[tropic forge]

plus having dino cap servers

[stray elm]

Or stay up for hours until a Giga is juvenile for a creature that takes a literal week to grow up.

[vital jetty]

TP near an obelisk. ez.

[vital jetty]

Breeding changes, which they've already mentioned (albeit not how).

[stray elm]

How're you going to teleport pre-tekgrams?

[chrome igloo]

from a PVE perspective, cryopods are almost a necessity

[stray elm]

They stated they're 'adding' new creatures for breeding, not changing the system

[vital jetty]

Do the boss a few times? lol

[stray elm]

Again, I'd rather not waste pointless time taking a shit load of tames to an obelisk, when I can just, oh I don't know.
Conveniently put them all in my pocket and just throw them out.

[tropic forge]

a way to do whitout ob is to know a drop place and wait for it which kinda sucks plus someone might go there and grab it just because 🤣

[stray elm]

Outside of PvP, what harm do they do enough for them to be removed?
Anything they do you don't 'have' to do. It's PvE, don't use an item if you don't like it.
I can understand in PvP since to survive you have to use any current metas. But you have no excuse on PvE

[vital jetty]

Which involves them all being knocked out or waiting 5000 years for each throw out.

Also CC 356 "Dino/Baby Management QOL"

so thanks for incorrecting me 😉

[stray elm]

Again, only on PvP

Cryosickness is disabled if you don't have PvP enabled

[grim kestrel]

No they're not. Cryos are convenient but they are not necessary. They just produce laziness in people and the ability to fast track progress.

[vital jetty]

Okay, so different rules for PvE. literally proble msolved lmao

PvE - cryos. PvP - none. Fixed

[chrome igloo]

true

different balancing for pvp and pve

[stray elm]

I'm down for that. As ARK should be balanced separately between PvE and PvP.

[tropic forge]

they barely do that

[chrome igloo]

i think they just dont

[vital jetty]

My point is for PvP specifically, Cryos ruined Defenders advantage.

sure you somewhat have it, but at the same time not

[stray elm]

They don't.
They've nerfed creatures for PvP that harmed them on PvE

[tropic forge]

only major thing they dint from pvp to pve was pve couldt grab wild dinos

[stray elm]

And I agree with that.
But again, they should be in the game for players not on PvP/want the connivance of them.

[stray elm]

Actually you can.
You can't grab 'tamed' dinos

[vital jetty]

I'll still disagree for PvP. I'm sure they'll be around, and I'll use them if they do, but the game for PvP is far better without them.

[tropic forge]

did they change that recently? cause tusos cant or argies or anything else

[stray elm]

You also couldn't pickup anyone that wasn't in your tribe on PvE.
So yeah, that's basically their extent on ASE.

[vital jetty]

And if the "balance pass" for caves is making no crouch spots, you REALLY don't need them for raiding.

[stray elm]

It's always been like that.
I've tamed many creatures on PvE that way throughout the years.

[grim kestrel]

I disagree, Ark is meant to be a slower pace game and convenance is a terrible excuse for just wanting to shortcut a game experience.

[tropic forge]

well dint work for me on officials

[stray elm]

Making a game artificially longer is also a terrible excuse.
There's fun difficulty, and there's just being annoying as all fuck for no goddamn reason difficulty.

[vital jetty]

True, look at the complaint about starfield being a "fast travel sim" even though most people play skyrim/fallout (unless on survival mode) literally teleporting from location to location the moment they discover it lol

[grim kestrel]

Read Berserker post

[stray elm]

People who've been complaining about starfield are the same people complaining 'why can't I land on gas-giants?'

[vital jetty]

I'm aware lmao. "it's a sci-fi game idc about reality"

I think they should add it in but it rips you and your spaceship apart upon landing

[stray elm]

And Starfield, all things consider, plays basically just like any other Bethesda game.
So those complaints are literally just to complain.

[chrome igloo]

i dont know crap about starfield but there is nothing on gas giants 😭

[stray elm]

Exactly.
There's no solid surface.

[vital jetty]

But it's just to point out if you give access to something, everyone is going to use it. Not giving access to something changes the game.

For PvP, you used to get into open world PvP because of ferrying something back to base, or to a drop/ob to upload to bring it back.

Now that's non-existent.

[winged dome]

I haven't been looking online or reading anything related to Starfield to avoid spoilers, but I've been enjoying it. Aside from a bug here or there and a crash or two on my dated PC, its been a great time

[chrome igloo]

yk what you are right, it'd be alright if theres no cryopods, itll bring back some of the primitive feel to ark

[stray elm]

And I get that, and I do agree they hindered PvP.
But there's no reason to remove them in PvE situations, cause there's nothing stopping you from playing the game the way 'you' want to.

[grim kestrel]

Or there wanting to speed run games that aren't meant to be run like that all because people that play like that are a achievement chaser.

I'd say it better to respect a games design pace than want to fast track it for your personal ego and completion expectation.

[vital jetty]

There is. I'm actively at a disadvantage if I'm not using cryos if they are in the game and everyone else is. I don't get the privilege of not using them, while in an arms race to defend my base lmao

[stray elm]

If cryopods where literally 'that' much of an issue for Wildcard, they would've removed them no matter what.
They stated they're readding cryopods to ASA, it's only a matter of 'when' they're being readded.

[chrome igloo]

cryopod function could also be nerfed if they were similar to cross ark dino uploading, where you need some sort of terminal to cryo/uncryo them

[stray elm]

Defending your base from random wild creatures?
We're talking about PvE.

[grim kestrel]

Not really that simple when they admitted a while back tek was the worst thing they did to the game. Hence why Ark 2 is going to be primitive style game.

[stray elm]

And yet, they now see that design choice has split up the community for ARK-2.

[vital jetty]

Which I already established my point on how to fix it, but you keep bringing up "in a PvE situation" which you know, PvP has PvE situations, so idk why you keep responding to me arguing for cryopods, when I said to keep them for PvE..lmao

[pine basin]

When did they say that? I never saw them saying that officially.

[grim kestrel]

Believe it was a twitter post, it was not a discord announcement or anything quite that official

[pine basin]

By whom?

[stray elm]

I'm not arguing at all. I'm having a discussion with you.
I stated "And I get that, and I do agree they hindered PvP.
But there's no reason to remove them in PvE situations, cause there's nothing stopping you from playing the game the way 'you' want to."
You responded with "There is." at the beginning of your message, indicating you're talking about the fact that 'there is' a reason to remove them in PvE, after I stated 'there's no reason to'
Miscommunication I believe.

[chrome igloo]

wait is asa october 1 or october 31

[stray elm]

We don't know

[chrome igloo]

what was the latest date

31 right

[split dove]

Just october

[chrome igloo]

oh i thought it said 31 on the contract or something

[vital jetty]

PvP has PvE elements, aka taming and the like. by saying "PvE situations" that doesn't just mean PvE servers. It reads as any form of PvE, including on PvP servers.

[grim kestrel]

Do you remember everything you read, eat, or did from even a couple weeks, months ago? I don't. There was an article that shared that post a WHILE ago. To long to remember specific details.

Don't be arrogant.

[chrome igloo]

just say i forgot 💀

[vital jetty]

In fairness when making a claim of seeing something you should have some sort of proof. Otherwise it just becomes a "just trust me bro" moment.

[stray elm]

Again, miscommunication.
I shouldn't had said 'PvE situations' and stated 'PvE servers' instead

[pine basin]

You are just using it as an argument and that's a huge thing, so I would like some proof...

[vital jetty]

fair enough

[chrome igloo]

no point being an ass

[pine basin]

If you don't have it, that's fine, but I will ignore your argument

[grim kestrel]

In fairness if you take the time to save EVERY little thing that you might 1% chance in up in a conversation about and need to share you'd be overwhelming busy and need quite a storage device for everything

[vital jetty]

The point is if you can't back up something you remember seeing/hearing, you can't bring it up in an argument as fact lol

[pine basin]

This

[stray elm]

[vital jetty]

I've tried finding something I remember seeing, being unable to, and admit I can't find it, so I retract what I said, even if I 100% saw it, without having the proof to back it up, it's just hearsay on my end.

[grim kestrel]

That a wild statement, not everything that is acomplished in life has been done after proof is found and saved. That an arrogant mindset of social videos like tiktok debates and stuff where people try to justify dumb stances cause they have some sort of "proof"

[stray elm]

You can also do what I do and say 'take it with a grain of salt since I can't find a source'
Then you can still have that discussion, but in theoretical now.

[grim kestrel]

At least you know how to use reaction Bootleg

[vital jetty]

No. It's how debates and fact work, long before tiktok was even a thought of an idea.

It's even how the court system works, LONG before Tiktok was a thing.

What you just did was a fallacy to try to undermine my intelligence instead of actually defending your point lol

[stray elm]

Hang on, brb

[grim kestrel]

Comparing discussion with a legal system like court in terms of having "proof" that just hilarious and I am done if you remotely think that the same thing.

[stray elm]

Back

[vital jetty]

I used it as an example since you said it only became a thing since Tiktok.

Funny how you ignore the other point, of which it's been used in debates far before Tiktok was also a thing.

[stray elm]

[grim kestrel]

I didn't say "only became a thing" I used it as an example of why people have this ridiculous idea of ALWAYS having to have some kind of source in a discussion.

There a difference

[vital jetty]

I recall Joe saying he hates ark and only likes to be in this channel to troll people.

Now did you actually say that? NO. But according to your logic, I can just make that claim, and you should believe me even if I don't have the proof.

See the issue with that logic now?

[stray elm]

Which than some people may believe, and that misinformation will spread like wildfire.

[vital jetty]

^^

[stray elm]

Which is how rumors start.

[mint swan]

What's ASE & ASA? Sorry if it's a stupid question.

[vital jetty]

Survival evolved and Survival Ascended

[stray elm]

ARK: Survival Evolved.
ARK: Survival Ascended

[vital jetty]

Just abbreviated so it's easier to mention in discussion

[mint swan]

Okay I thought so but wasn't sure, thank you all

[grim kestrel]

Honestly no matter how simple a question might seem there always a good to ask. Better to ask than not.

[tropic crag]

You are so inflammatory and obtuse, it's unreal. And as for "nobody care right now of those things", yes, somebody care of those things, lots of somebody care actually, especially if it would be a waste of money to show them when the community members such as yourself don't deserve a thing until release

[valid torrent]

Ark 2 should make the giga and carcha an actually balanced dinosaur, (they shouldn't be rekting everything) and just make their own special hybrid dinosaurs if they want a rare apex predator 😎 just my opinion tho (because my paleontologist nerd side of me hates how giga and carcha just rekts everything when irl they would not beat the t-rex, sure can kill but would lose 80% of the time)

[tropic crag]

Uh, Ark 2 may not even have those creatures, fyi

[valid torrent]

huh they wont?

[tropic crag]

But if they do, I agree, make them more in line with a rex but offer different utility

[south lance]

giga and carcha shouldnt exist in ark2 imo

there isnt any use for them

spino at least is more of a glass cannon and aquatic

giga is just a better rex that is balanced by not being given a tek saddle and no boss fights

just make rex the dps king and make its dps more significant than 65 base melee

tho whether thats enough or not is entirely unknown

we do have aliens after all

and i really hope the dino roster is cut down and everything is more rich in details and mechanics per dinosaur

you could cut a bunch of mechanics out entirely idrc

[olive shadow]

@south lance I mean ark : survival evolved veered completely off path from the "primitive survival game" basis that is said to be focused on for ark 2

[south lance]

it did

its unlikely a lot of design decisions would exist in ark2 that did in ase

we will not see space dolphins

[olive shadow]

yea haha

[south lance]

no voidwyrms or shadowmanes

no manas, maybe a bloodstalker tho

wyverns im doubtful of too

[olive shadow]

Meh

[tribal chasm]

wyverns were fine, high level eggs were rare on scorched, and no breeding

[olive shadow]

I feel like wyverns are just opinion based

I don't think they are too "wtf is that elemental space dolphin flying at me shooting blue lasers"

[stray elm]

Don't know where anyone got the idea ARK was always meant to be a primitive game.
You where able to get basic firearms day-one.

[olive shadow]

By "primitive" I really meant the tek stage

I get that this was intended in the early days anyways

[south lance]

idr wyverns before breeding tbh

[olive shadow]

but the fact people see dinosaurs and are greeted with tek stuff

[south lance]

i think they were balanced tho, besides lightning and poison being all out better

[olive shadow]

feels odd to me

[stray elm]

Those where in the devkit and planned since also day-one I believe.
But I get your point.
I still hold the opinion tek wasn't the issue, and it was the poor and shitty implementation they took with it.
If tek was balanced on day-one, barely anyone would have any issues with it.

[stray elm]

To be fair, obelisks are giant tek spires.

[south lance]

its not that its guaranteed to stay primitive, its that not getting advanced tech is gonna be a good thing since then youre gonna start power creeping stuff that spent years getting fine tuned

[stray elm]

We're talking about ARK-1

[south lance]

i thought ark2, mb

[stray elm]

Nah, no worries on you.

[south lance]

i do think the mass appeal was a primitive aesthetic tho

[olive shadow]

ye

[south lance]

people dont bother with the technicalities as much since the first thing they see is a raptor

and for a lot of the game its taming dinosaurs

not tekking out with technopokeballs holding booster dogs flying at mach 3

[olive shadow]

It's good to have progression ofcourse

[south lance]

even tho ark in its design basically needs this inevitably

and thags probably why extinction was supposed to be the finale

but then genesis came

[stray elm]

So, I'm fine with having no tek in ARK-2. I just want people to be aware the game was always meant to be sci-fi in nature.
Also a good lore explanation why we can't just use tek on this new planet besides "tek bad."

[south lance]

i think the underestimste the will people have to buy dlc if the dlc content isnt stronger

[olive shadow]

I mean lore is much less important to new players than the actual game

[south lance]

yeah but tek couldve still been rarer than element veins

[olive shadow]

I get that older ark players want it to be preserved in a way

[stray elm]

Doesn't mean they can't bother.

[olive shadow]

I never said this at all

[south lance]

the lore determin3s the creative design

imo

[olive shadow]

they can absolutely implement lore

[stray elm]

Oddly enough, this is actually how Wildcard works

[south lance]

i wonder if they knew about having ark2 set on arat before genesis

or if ark2 was gonna be earth

[stray elm]

They make basic versions of what they want the next DLC to be set lore-wise to make the gameplay around that.

[olive shadow]

So I assume Ark 2's "The Island" will just be called arat

[south lance]

i think theres mention of the gen ship in extinction?

[olive shadow]

and then after we don't know?

or is it still the same expansion maps

like SE

[stray elm]

Genesis-ship itself was never mentioned. But it was hinted towards with Arat-Prime.

[stray elm]

Arat is the whole planet

[south lance]

nobodh knows how future dlc eill be like

[stray elm]

Or in this case, it's a moon

[olive shadow]

Right, But I mean expansion maps

Or is it only 1 map

[stray elm]

We have no idea

[olive shadow]

Forever

[stray elm]

The DLC's could be set on other regions of the planet

[south lance]

oh

then maybe genesis wasnt actually planned until afterwards

[stray elm]

Or, they could implement a tad bit of tek in the lore and allow us to teleport to the nearby planets.

[south lance]

probably why they revived clones of santiago

[olive shadow]

So you would be blocked from moving into these areas which would completely stop immersion or do you think it would be like in extinction

where it is an illusion

[chrome igloo]

why do banana taste so good...

🤤

[olive shadow]

I mean the whole "ark" is an illusion

[south lance]

fruits want to be esten

[olive shadow]

But I mean the background

[stray elm]

Actually, Marc had rough notes of the Genesis storyline that he left with Wildcard

[south lance]

so they make us wanna eatem

when did he leave

[stray elm]

I doubt we'd be able to explore the whole planet.
But there can be natural barriers preventing us.

Examples: Mountaints too tall to realistically fly over.
Endless oceans.
An apex-predator that kills you if you leave the map, etc.

[olive shadow]

Eh

[south lance]

who knows

[olive shadow]

I personally Feel it would be easier and more money in wildcards pocket to add DLC's

[south lance]

maybe theyll figure out a wau to make a whole planet

[chrome igloo]

subnautica, unending ocean + predators

[stray elm]

I would not like that personally.

[south lance]

ark2 entire redesign could be in store if asa goes well

maybe not of content we know exists, but other stuff

[stray elm]

A planet that size would require procedual generation.
And that'd sacrifice any good handcrafted environments or locations and bring them to a minimal.

[south lance]

idk what the limits of ue5 are

[stray elm]

God knows how much versions of ARK-2 they've done since some of the backlash.

[south lance]

i dont doubt a realistic model would be impossiboe

but something like a few gen2 maps in size

i think thats possible

[olive shadow]

False. Minecraft is an example of this and a youtuber has went over how they went around this. However a "whole planet" seems alot.

[stray elm]

2024 ARK-2 is defiantly going to be different then the planned 2022 version.

[olive shadow]

I don't see the problem of adding expansions

[stray elm]

You didn't at all get what I said

[tropic crag]

Defiantly

[south lance]

it might still be better to use the old server model anyhow

just cause if moderation is weak its better to allow people to leave than force them to get screwed by problems caused by other people for the time it takes for some few mods to handle it

[gloomy prawn]

Make it like no man’s sky, beable to explore a whole damn planet xD and travel to other planets or arks without having to load a new map

[south lance]

unless the map is large enough, then you could cut down server count disproportionately maybe

and if theres better ways to prevent a single group from controlling a server

since at that point the servers population will go down to almost.0

[stray elm]

Firstly, Minecraft's world is primitive as all hell.
The geometry is so simple that they're able to do so.
Like the amount of blocks in a 100x100 radius is the amount of pixels a 20x20 foot landscape in UE5 has.
Secondly, Minecraft has generated structures, yes. But they're all procedural and where procedurally placed on your world.
There's too little locations in Minecraft that repeats themselves. Versus a hand crafted enviroment that can have each location unique.

[south lance]

in this case more smaller maps are favorable rather than few big maps

few big map may or may not be more manageable to mod

[stray elm]

Also, again. Those worlds are procedurally generated and have no actually interesting Points of interest locations.
Each planet also looks the same and have no variants of biomes.
If you're planet is a radiation hellscape, it's 'all' going to look like the exact same radiation hellscape you saw when you first landed.
Only exception I can think of are planets with large oceans.

[olive shadow]

Are you aware of Gamespot's video on Unreal Engines 5.2 full tech demo of procedural generation?

I personally don't know what you guys mean by a "whole planet"

Like how much bigger are we talking

[south lance]

i think theres a game corp out there trying to make a much more sophisticated procedural gen but they havent even launched that game yet and wont for several years at this point

[olive shadow]

5?

10x?

[gloomy prawn]

They did the procedural arks that we were able to make our own maps? And they weren’t repetitive, they could scale that to a very large size and then add caves and dungeons and POI

[stray elm]

Yes, I do.
And while they look cool, again. You're sacrificing quantity over quality.
Think about it.
If you're map is huge, and I mean comically huge that it requires procedural generation to form. That leaves so much areas empty for miles, while only having a few good handcrafted locations like decayed buildings and whatnot.
Basically, would you rather have a Minecraft world that's comically huge and has only a few interesting areas that repeat.
Or a map like Ragnarok that has a lot of areas like castles and such?

[stray elm]

Those things where so horrible that they're ditching them in ASA.

[gloomy prawn]

Oh I made some pretty cool maps that I used with Nitrado xD

[olive shadow]

I would rather not have a "comically huge" planet at all lol

[stray elm]

So we're in agreement that the map should be quality over quantity?

[olive shadow]

I've stated that before but if they had to make a giant planet then you would go around it with procedural generation

[olive shadow]

Im confused why you said "look cool" then said quantity over quality

[stray elm]

Yeah, if they 'had' to that'd be the smartest way.
But I don't think that'd go well for a lot of people.

[olive shadow]

But yes, I've said like 5 times before, idk why we have to have a giant planet

and not just follow what we done in ase which was dlc expansions

[gloomy prawn]

I would like smaller maps for pvp survival style rounds

[stray elm]

Oh, this is the message that originally started it

[olive shadow]

I mean I'd like arat to be like 4x bigger than "The island"

[stray elm]

I believe Genesis-2 is already like 3x.

[olive shadow]

gen-2 in ase?

[gloomy prawn]

Yeah. That was a very large map

[stray elm]

Yeah

Largest map. (technically Fjordur is larger due to the realms)

[olive shadow]

Gen-2 was egregious imo

For pvp not as much

[stray elm]

But that map is like 3x larger than The-Island

[tribal chasm]

What is the benefit you guys are after in terms of 'size'
From a pvp perspective it has little effect given the many fast ways to travel/teleporters etc

[south lance]

gen2 is way more than 3x island

maybe 3x in length

islands only 36 kmsq

[olive shadow]

From a non pvp perspective which will be in the best interest of new players coming in ark 2

[stray elm]

We're talking about quality over quantity with map sizes.
We agree that we want more interesting locations and biomes than a large, empty world.

[south lance]

you just need to add significant pve combat

[bold bolt]

Where do I go to vote

[south lance]

that would make ark way more appealiny

#announcements @bold bolt

[stray elm]

Honestly, Gen-2 is like the perfect size for ARK-2 if we're mostly going on foot.

[gloomy prawn]

If you remove TEK and it’s strictly primitive it’s a fine size

[tropic forge]

it should be even bigger since ark 2 gonna have AI enemies

[stray elm]

And?
I don't think you understand how massive Gen-2 is if you're on foot.

It feels tiny if you're flying

[tropic forge]

thats why i say that

it really comes down how many bases will be build in a single server

[gloomy prawn]

Pft… I still felt it was taking me forever to travel

[stray elm]

You said it should be bigger than Gen-2

[stray elm]

Skill issue

[tropic forge]

of course pve will have much more than pvp in terms of giant bases in the open

[gloomy prawn]

So my perception on time is a skill issue?

That’s rude asf

lol

[stray elm]

Yes

[tropic forge]

aside from that "skill issue", whit new AI enemies which we dont know if will spawn random bases to raid and if the limit of players per server remains 70 or even increases 🤣 a gen 2 map aint that big for pve server

[gloomy prawn]

Depends how many people are on such pve servers

[tropic forge]

and depends if they allow the box box tribes to join in and exploid ways of making 3 max out bases in a single one for RMT

[gloomy prawn]

I mean are we talking huge community servers? Where there’s a 100 people building and making a community or being nomads