ark-2

[stray elm]

YOO!!
I was right!!

[untold ingot]

Old enough lol

[stray elm]

Based

[stray elm]

Ever published anything?

[untold ingot]

I have never made my own product from the ground up of that is what you are asking. But yes I have worked on products from financial websites to nasa simulations

With

Anyone can work with nasa.

Do a project with them lol

Find one they are doing, and work on it

It's just science bro

[untold ingot]

You don't need one

[stray elm]

I'd also like to know.

[untold ingot]

I did it through the university. You can Google it and find stuff to do just from your phone or whatever

You don't need to go to an ivy league school to work with nasa lol

[blissful perch]

To be clear, ASA didn’t exist until the community whined about not having ark 1 copied into unreal engine 5

Originally, it appeared that WC was intending to advance the ark series with ark 2 and largely leave ark 1 to slowly fade out. The strategy was then tweaked

[stray elm]

Adapting to what your community wants

[blissful perch]

It’s more to the points of “why didn’t they do asa first and ark 2 later”

[untold ingot]

... If you are trying to be hired yeah, maybe. If you just work on one of their open projects it's not an issue

[untold ingot]

I mean that is still what they are doing

[blissful perch]

They’re doing parallel development

I believe the initial question Xor asked was “why not do just asa then do just ark 2”

[blissful perch]

I think they appeal to entirely different audiences

[split dove]

it's time for change anyway

[winged dome]

Basically, yeah. Did a lot good but even the Devs admitted there were things they weren't able to do due to engine limitations

[chrome lodge]

Is asa gonna have new map after fjordur or it will be totally abandoned for ark 2

[worldly garden]

It's going to have a new official DLC. We don't know if we will still get new free community maps.

[hollow frost]

when will ark2 come?

[worldly garden]

late 2024 at the earliest.

[chrome lodge]

I don't remember if the island has a new creature which as been voted ?

[lime forge]

Rhynio

[weak knoll]

Ark ascended will be available in august this year?

[blissful perch]

October at the earliest

[worldly garden]

Not an exclusive one no.

[pine basin]

Nothing is granted regarding dates

[blissful perch]

Check announcements and google

It’s what WC most recently said, but that’s subject to change. It’ll launch when it’s done

[idle leaf]

didnt they say ark 2 would be realased like months ago

[worldly garden]

Late 2024

[pine basin]

First announcement it was a 2022 release, then it was postponed to 2023. Now it’s postponed to late 2024.

[daring pawn]

ark 2 will be after ark 3 lol

[drowsy hamlet]

I do still call that optimistic I do say around 2025 if it even ever will come out

[tropic crag]

How original

[hazy stump]

.

[pseudo lily]

what about the ark survial accended or smth i forgot the name will that be free to people who bought evolved

[untold ingot]

What ark origins

I don't know of anything that will be free to people who bought ase

[pseudo lily]

accended

idk why i said origins

[untold ingot]

Asa is not free to people who bought ase

[pseudo lily]

are they still shutting down the servers?

can we still run our own servers

[untold ingot]

They are only shutting down official servers

[pseudo lily]

oh alr

i thought they were shutting down the whole game

[untold ingot]

Nope, just official

[pseudo lily]

that's a relief

[stray elm]

They can't effect unofficial.

[pseudo lily]

my friend just bought ark i was going to be sad for him if it completly shutdown

[tropic crag]

Tell him to get a refund and just wait for ASA lol

[snow orbit]

do we know if ark 2 is getting multiplayer?

[winged dome]

Literally on the Ark start menu for the past couple years...
Ark II -

MULTIPLAYER

Sandbox survival game

[drowsy hamlet]

😂

they better don't they already done that enough

[drowsy hamlet]

lol no but it can't be worse than this version

will see what we get if it's poop I suppose it's finally time to look for a new game

wait are you talking about ark2 or asa

oh lmao I'm talking about asa

👀

ark2 already f up the moment they say it's a 3rd player game

I use both but 3rd player the mean like other games use it as well and that makes it a poop game

I'm more excited for ASA than ark2

[south lance]

the insane delay +3p complaints means its not unlikely that theyll go back on their word

precedent is there, and theres a lot about survival games that 1p is just superior at

i dont think 3p is the worst tho

95% of gameplay needs 3p

[winged dome]

My only concern about 3rd person is how it'll work in tight quarters like caves or short bases. I play like 99% in 3rd person, but go 1st in those instances, so I'm curious to see how it'll work in Ark2. Also wonder if the new Asc camera will be a preview of what to expect in Ark2

[chrome lodge]

Is it legal if someone does a mod in asa with some of the creature of the vote ? Is wildcard gonna be ok if it's done ?

[winged dome]

WC is pretty chill with mods, so I wouldn't be suprised if modders try to add in some of the other popular creatures somehow

It would maybe be more dependant on the original submitter allowing permission for the modder to add their content, but even then its not like they can really do anything about it

[keen dragon]

I'm gonna be honest, I can't play ARK in 3rd person.

I exclusively use 3rd person when riding a dino, and that's because I'm quite vain.

[blissful perch]

First person only would be way worse…riding a creature in first person should be a crime lol

[split dove]

there he is officer, the masochist that rides dinos in first person

[chrome lodge]

Can someone explain me what are the 6 post for being able to vote please

[split dove]

don't know, but it's most likely bc of bot account spam votes

[worldly garden]

New accounts are in a temporary "early bird" status that gives them limited access on the forums until they have made 6 posts. Once you have reached 6 posts you get full access on the forum.

[chrome lodge]

Thanks a lot but I still don't understand what a ''post'' is and where to do them on the forum (I don't speak English currently so sorry for my misunderstanding)

[worldly garden]

A post is a message, like you are doing now here. It can be made anywhere on the forum, just don't spam.

[chrome lodge]

Oh ok thanks I already did one without notices

[mint swan]

when ark 1 close ?¿

[drowsy hamlet]

I'm okay with 3rd player just only the 3rd player like it is in ark survival evolved not like different games like fortnite there poop camera location and stuff (no I don't play that game played it 1 time left because that camera angle is the worst ever)

[blissful perch]

Question; do you want wild pigeons? City pigeons? Or extinct ones like carrier pigeons?

[thick tulip]

massive flocks of passenger pigeons could be cool. probably untameable, but cool

[stray elm]

Oddly enough, Extinction has birds.

You rarely see them though, since you have to walk into a volume for them to trigger.

Which is kind of depressing.
Hope we get more birds in ASA, possibly even using whatever system the Insect-Swarm uses to have one entity have like 10+ models.

[true fox]

when gen1 first launched the stupid insect swarms were everywhere in the swamp biome

[drowsy hamlet]

gen1 and 2 should have never been added

[true fox]

I don't know about never, but they were (and gen2 still is) too buggy to be launched

[drowsy hamlet]

they made the game to easy and gen1 is just poop no good base locations at all

[untold ingot]

Gen1 has no good base locations?? Are we playing the same Gen1?

Gen1 has some of the best base locations in the game

[true fox]

gen1 was, and is, kind of amazing

with the variety of places

[astral token]

Gen1 has some GREAT maps

Thye just don’t come together nicely

But individually speaking, that’s some of the best shit I’ve seen in ARK maps

[tropic forge]

he must be talking about pve officials plus when someone hates gen maps generally means they ruin their monopolizes either on pvp or pve

[south lance]

gen2 is the main problem map

[drowsy hamlet]

you downloaded the same dlc as me?

[drowsy hamlet]

that map has some good base location

[thick tulip]

to be fair, "good" PvE base locations are def NOT the same as "good" PvP locations...

[south lance]

i mean the issue i care more for is the shit that infects the other maps

tames and resources and shit

the map itself is cool imo, space biome can be stupid sometimes tho

[tropic crag]

Space is great, I just hate that the voidwyrms are only in one or two cycles when they are stated as being defenders of the ship, made by the ship's inhabitants

Why wouldn't they be out there all the time, then? Wth

[pine basin]

Gen 2 is the end game map. It didn't hurt that much actually. ASE is already pretty old. Unless you are playing on a new unnoficial server, gen 2 didn't spoil the game for you.

Remember we were supposed to be playing Ark 2 for ~1 year by now. Gen 2 was supposed to close the cycle.

[south lance]

yeah, but now that asa is gonna release and we are getting new dlc for asa, gen2 needs to be reconsidered in scope

unfortunately, the trend is that theyll ignore any potential problems the previous map caused and just powercreep it

maybe the new dlc will have missions or drops that guarantee capped loot

maybe the loot will include capped dinos

[tropic crag]

Seeing as the new DLC is dropping before the Gen ones, I don't see the issue here

A lot of people tend to forget that

I have faith it'll fill it's own niche

[south lance]

wonder what story thatll be for then

oh

after ext

[tropic crag]

Probably back on Earth, but idk honestly they have all the freedom in the world, it could take place on the Moon for all we know

This is their chance to do something completely wild and unexpected, or go the safe route and just do Arat Prime like everyone is expecting

[south lance]

idk i still think theyll try powercreeping the gens

[tropic crag]

The ball is in their court

[south lance]

is it actually releasing before the rerelease of the gens or did you mean its story is between ext and gens

[tropic crag]

Pressing x to doubt

Pretty sure it's stated as releasing after either Ab or Ext, lemme check

I can't seem to find it, but it does state that it was originally slated to release in Q4 of 2023, as was Aberration, so it's at least insinuated that it comes out around Ab release and before Ext (releasing in Q1 of 2024)

These are all I could find on the matter, very sick rn so not really at 100% and there may be more

"We plan to release a new canonical-story expansion pack for ARK: Survival Ascended that will be available in Q4 2023."

"The Island (Released at Launch)
Survival of the Fittest: The Island & Scorched Earth map variants (Released at Launch)
Scorched Earth (Released at Launch)
Aberration (Released by Q4 2023)
Extinction (Released by Q1 2024)
Genesis Part 1 (Released by Q1 2024)
Genesis Part 2 (Released by Q2 2024)
All the community-created maps are also to be released over time in 2024 (Fjordur, Ragnarok, The Center, Lost Island, Valguero, Crystal Isles)"

And then this, in the most recent ASA roadmap update;

"So for now, we’re going to plan that Scorched Earth will be coming to ASA in December this year, Ragnarok and Aberration will follow in Q1 2024, and the rest of the maps beyond then."

[pine basin]

Yeah, for ASA, if they really intend to have a long early-access cycle + some years of development of the “new” game, I guess they need to 1 - postpone genesis maps as long as they can or 2 - balance the 2 maps.

[icy vale]

well this game also be 300 gb?

[nova sonnet]

PLEASE OPTIMIZE ARK 1.5

why the fuck is lost island 60gb

[mint swan]

Anyone know when next arkpoc wipe is?

[pine basin]

It’s supposed to be smaller. But we will see.

You mean lunar?

Id say you are right indeed

[south lance]

i thought lost island had like 2 locations of note but idk for sure

lot of caves have stupidly long thin entrances

[tropic crag]

Not the biggest fan of the map, but it's shaped like Tamriel so that's cool, the islands in the East remind me of the Center a little bit too

[south lance]

wish we had more of an archipelago map

like crystal isles kinda does it in the southwest

[stone cedar]

we need an item for the island that allows solo players to raise babies on pve official. Since maewings likely wont be released for a year

on ASA

Also, I hope they balance dino levels so its the same spread and % chance of higher levels

All maps created equal

[tropic crag]

Definitely the levels all need to be fair and even across maps, I 100% agree there

[stray elm]

That's probably what the Gigantoraptor is for.

Personally, creatures like that should be on as much maps as possible that fit the theme. Since they're going to be so useful for all types of players.

[pine basin]

Man, I think that’s one of their greatest difficulties when making a map, because I hate archipelago maps. I would love a map with a huge landmass.

[south lance]

valguero does that pretty well

i think the main issue with an archipelago map is that its hard to add features

the most featureful is priobably gen1 ocean

but even that is basically all underwater feature wise

wonder what crystal isles would be like without crystal wyverns, since it has so much explorability but its so easy to traverse

[pine basin]

Gen 1 ocean is broken AF though

I know people that crash in there all the time. I myself had some crashs in very important occasions (like at the moeder arena).

Also it lags a lot in there. I’m not sure if it’s because there too many fishes spawning

[split dove]

must be the 15 seagulls crashing people

[pine basin]

Just when in the ocean swimming. I think it’s more related to the fishes

But back to the topic, I would prefer an ocean designed to be a biome for the water creatures, for some missions (like gen 1 and 2), special loot crates and water caves. I wouldn’t want them to spend too much time on the water biome.

I would prefer to see them focusing on the land

[south lance]

i havent lagged too much in gen1 ocean personally

the huge amount of stuff in it could cause an issue tho

[nova junco]

Yeah gen 1 ocean is weird and laggy. It doesn't even crash the game for me it just disconnects

No where else in the game that happens to our tribe

[untold ingot]

I never have had issues with it, and my pc is a potato

[icy vale]

know what i be mad if they make ark2 a subception

[tropic crag]

Yeah, it's the overspawns. Previous gen consoles can't handle it, and current gen ones can only do it for so long before a crash

[mint swan]

ark 2 gonna be anything like ark 1. farm, build, raid,defend like?

[winged dome]

Most likely

[vestal sand]

i swear if ark 2 gets delayed again im deleting ark and getting my life back.

[worldly garden]

until ARK 2 releases

[humble reef]

Ok

[arctic nimbus]

[gritty laurel]

And wenn is that?

[worldly garden]

Late 2024 (at the earliest)

[vocal kettle]

Hii @worldly garden

[blissful perch]

Unknown if you’re PlayStation tho

[halcyon fiber]

Ocean on gen1 lags asf on PS4 🤣
Ive never lagged out from there since i've got ps5

[worldly garden]

Hi 🖖🏻

[mint swan]

Shifter still alive in #ark-2 ? Dayum

[blissful perch]

I’ve been around. But I’ve largely stopped responding to anything uninteresting

If it’s juicy game design related content I’ll usually try to come back for it

[winged dome]

Nope, only 'when Ark2?'s

[blissful perch]

I mean…when was the last good conversation I had here

August 6th about the perception of map size mattering more than actual physical size

[mint swan]

True, if the map is flat it seems smaller than a map where you need to puzzle your route

[mint swan]

When ark 3?

[blissful perch]

That, but the other major consideration is mount speed. Tons of fast fliers and gliders that ignore the topography and shrink the perceived size of a map can make things feel worse

[mint swan]

True

[blissful perch]

Part of what’s so nice about Ab despite being smaller than other maps is that transport is slowed way down…so the map feels larger

[mint swan]

I wouldnt mind if flyers in ark 2 were more limited

Fliers

Idk

[blissful perch]

Lots of discussion about that very topic here. Downscaling the role and importance of fliers

[nova sonnet]

FLYERS R GHOOF XDD

[quaint cypress]

@anyone know when ark survival ascended comes out?

[naive sigil]

october bro

[nova sonnet]

NOVEMVER

[stray elm]

October.

[nova sonnet]

November!

It came to me in a dream

[stray elm]

October. 🦛

[nova sonnet]

November!

[stray elm]

October.

[winged dome]

It's out when it's out

[quaint cypress]

Thanks boys

Can’t wait

[naive sigil]

Ye well hopefully they fix some shit

[quaint cypress]

Hopefully they don’t allow aimbot and esp

[trim quest]

Tomorrow

At 3:47 am

[vapid birch]

November 2029

[tribal chasm]

Please in ASA or Ark 2, remove the 'do a 360 and the dino will despawn' mechanic
All 3 dinos I wanted to tame today have despawned right in my face, despite being all of 2 meters away from where I originally found them

[torn bear]

I’m confused. Is ark 2 and Ark survival ascended not the same thing?

I’ve been told for ages that Ark 2 comes out in late 2024. What’s the difference?

[winged dome]

Ark Asc is a remake of Ark 1 with a better engine, cross play, and more new features - currently set to release in October of this year along with a rollout of all available DLCs, free maps, and a brand new paid DLC ober the next year or so

Ark2 is the sequel to Ark1, with more of a primitive focus - set to release in late 2024

Two different products

[torn bear]

Oh cool that’ll be good

I hope they don’t push it into next year like they always do

[winged dome]

Asc was already delayed a bit from August to October, as well as some of the planned content being pushed back a bit. But hopefully it's back on track for October release

[torn bear]

Agh I hope so

[quartz night]

Ay am I still gonna be in it?

[winged dome]

Asc? Defo my guy
Ark2? Ehhhh... We'll see

[woeful kiln]

You mean 9202

[eternal wigeon]

Still seems to soon

[woeful kiln]

True

How about 99999999999999

[nova sonnet]

November!

[somber swallow]

Do they still intend on not releasing the game for ps5?

[split dove]

not at launch, after the pc and Xbox series s/x early access launch period

[somber swallow]

Okay well at least playstation still gets it

I've only played the game for like a year and I've got over 1k hours I'm excited for the new stuff

[winged dome]

That's ... not confirmed yet

[split dove]

forgive me Zen, i must've mixed it up after working 10 hours straight on 4 hours of sleep

[winged dome]

Go rest, I got this shift 👍

[verbal wind]

so, odds of getting a good look at ASA things today?

[winged dome]

Unlikely. Probably not until September for anything more than some concept/comparisons/creature vote stuff

[worldly garden]

Nah today will probably be ongoing creature vote and EVO. I guess there's always a possiblity of a random ARK 2 concept like they've done before.

[split dove]

they have put Ark 2 stuff out every 4 weeks roughly, last week we didn't so the chance for something Ark 2 is there seeing as we got nothing in july

[winged dome]

Still waiting on Yi Ling dossier too

[worldly garden]

Guessing that will be next week, although the concept was out quicker than normal.

[winged dome]

Yeah, concept was out real quick

[tropic crag]

Well yeah, they've stated before that once they have the top ten they do a preliminary concept art for all of them, just in case

[winged dome]

Oh, do they? Must have missed that

[tropic crag]

I can't remember exactly which vote they said it after, but it was shortly after one of them where they changed the rules, maybe the Rhynio one? Idr

[tropic forge]

maybe today they will give a redwood tree UE5 for their hardcore fans to be happy about it 🤣

[tame geode]

Dont forget no news on the animated series either!

I actually think we'll get something on ASA. Ark 2 ain't gettin squat for a bit with the ASA rush. I feel like they're trying to pull a big surprise about the animated series though. WC likes those kinds of surprises.

Like, Ark 2 has to compete with the news for ASA, then news for each story Ark and their respective non-story Ark as they get promoted and then released, in addition to a whole new DLC and its teasers and news. Good luck getting anything useful about ark 2 besides loose concept art in there with as little as they've been able/wanting to give us.

[tame geode]

Idealistically we'd get something, but we were also told that we wouldn't have to wait long into 2023 for the show, that the remaster would be free, the devs cheating on official servers, and the rest of the garbage with the roadmap. Credibility and positive consistency are kinda out the window at the moment.

As the company tries to lift up on their big boy game studio britches, things will probably get more sparse and less exciting.

Amazingly thats coming from a diehard Wildcard fanboy. I want nothing more than awesome cool news. However, corporatization generally kills passion especially with a community like Arks.

While I don't agree with many of his opinions, I think neddythenoodles vid on the subject kinda did a good job encapsulating all of that as well if you havent seen it.

[tame geode]

Conquest is an official server type. Employees cheating in a game they work on or for in which they have administrative powers is still just as a scummy, and I simplified it for ease of reading. Even if we want to debate the semantics of what a remaster is, the owner of the company said an upgrade would be free, and has since not even properly acknowledged the mistake in any form.

Like I said, I'm a huge fanboy, but the credibility of Snail Games was already trash and thats going to seep into Wildcard as well.

Doesnt matter anyways, we were both right.

No news on anything.

[tropic crag]

They literally acknowledged it in the post that announced the paid remake

[split dove]

can't expect a ark players brain to function properly

[tropic crag]

Apparently, goddamn lmao

Guy has me blocked for some reason too, never even spoke to him before 🤷‍♂️

As for the seep into WC bit, they're literally leveraging the ability to make Snail money with quitting and letting Snail rot, so that's also wrong (and good on WC peeps for threatening to quit over forcing MTX or NFT shit into the game, proud of y'all for that 😘 )

[tropic crag]

It was some twatter post, I wouldn't know exactly just heard about it

[tame geode]

Stieglitz never acknowledged the blunder. When the owner of the company makes what some would argue is a pretty big mistake, I wouldn't think it's appropriate to send an employee to clean up the aftermath.

I'll admit I haven't looked into whatever twitter posts are mentioned since I dont use the platform unlessit gets sent to this discord, but saying that snail has had and will have no influence on wc's business practices would be incredibly ignorant.

Feel free to insult me or others, but don't wonder why you get blocked as a result.

[blissful perch]

I'm all for accountability, but are you saying the Snail CEO should have directly responded to this? Rather than the people who made the initial statement (WC), who then walked it back by saying instead of a lazy UE5 port they would rebuild ark 1 from scratch in UE5 with new QoL and DLC?

[tame geode]

Nah, I was saying Stiegltiz should've. I feel like normally he would. He's actually been super amazing about that kinda atuff until recently.

Would've really helped his rapport to come and be show his relatablitilty and fan support again.

Like a, "Look guys, I know I said X, but the more we looked into it, the more the team got excited about doing more things with the remake. The scope of the project took a massive positive turn, but now we need more time, and will have to charge for it. Hopefully, you'll like what we wanting to bring to you, and make it worth it."

Not those exact words of course.

[blissful perch]

that is basically what happened

[tame geode]

Thats what the crunch said, not jeremy

[blissful perch]

although I don't think he made either communication

[tame geode]

There's a different level of intent or impact coming from the founder of the company vs a crunch we get every week made by an employee.

[blissful perch]

yes...but one could argue that a plan being walked back, especially one that nobody could financially invest in, isn't perse something he needs to directly respond to

since I don't think he made the initial promise or statement?

[tropic forge]

ho man they dint share a redwood tree for their fans uffff go ASA

[desert swallow]

This kind of comment is why they don't share anything with us according to Dolly. Highly professional stance by the way.

[tropic forge]

try again

[desert swallow]

what do you mean?

was agreeing with your sentiment

[blissful perch]

fox isn't great at reading this chat

[tame geode]

I believe the idea for the remaster was leaked, but then Stieglitz was the first to openly announce it before the crunch poated more info about it.

And one could argue that he has no obligation to tell us anything, and he probably shouldn't. It just hadn't been in his nature to ignore blunders like that, or not use it as an opportunity to hype the game up.

[tropic forge]

i read it right he's just going on the wrong way, the simple true is they have nothing to show

[tropic forge]

there's nothing to hype about a rush remaster/remake early access game

[tame geode]

Also should reiterate that you and I were in agreement about the outcome. I promise I wasnt trying to be combative to that point. Just having a discussion. I apologize for my directness.

[tame geode]

These kinds of comments are why I can't take a stance on certain events without it being implied that I'm stupid.

[desert swallow]

pure speculation. I'm sure they have stuff to show, but there is some truth behind what Dolly said, this community will be highly critical of anything put out, so they know it has to be good and as close to final product as they can get.

I don't think Dolly should have said it though

[winged dome]

Basically any change/thing revealed will be ripped to shreds if it 'isn't right'

[tame geode]

Thats unfortunate, because that didn't use to be the case. I remember when jat posted the super early development stages of the platform saddles, and it was still hype af.

[winged dome]

Majority of this community is so painfully toxic these days

[tame geode]

Like a snake eating it's own tail.

[tropic forge]

well it is true posting a damn UE5 tree upgrade its a joke but since they had plans... well to some was this month ASA would be release, i believe if they actually had stuff to show like map areas in UE5 they would have show, but since this "remaster/remake" whatever you guys wanna call it its being so rush they probably breaking more than actually making progress

and all this to get a quick cash to finish ark 2 or maybe its more funds to snails since snails invested in making another fail game

[desert swallow]

wouldn't the fact that they haven't shown anything suggest that it isn't being rushed?

[tropic forge]

well can be the other way and its being rush and getting all screw due to that?

[tame geode]

Hmm... To peeps that know anything about game development showcasing an asset like a tree would be entertaining as it showcases the difference in power of the two game engines. Its also an opportunity to show that they are doing stuff and that they do have stuff to show.

Instead they get mocked for it, and well... You cant have it bother ways. So, you get nothing.

[tropic forge]

its not like ASE was a perfect stable game to begin whit

[desert swallow]

everyone shits all over ASE but it's a damn fine game, people wouldn't have played it as much otherwise.

[tropic forge]

its a love/hate relation plus there aint any game like ark that you can choose

[desert swallow]

Here's a hint as to why. Because it's not easy to make.

[winged dome]

The Devs seriously did something special with ArkSE, even with the issues it's a damn fun game that keeps dragging me back. If the updates and new features are half as good as they say for Asc, I'd still be totally happy purchasing it again

And I hope Ark2 follows in a similar vein

[pallid trellis]

ah

[tropic forge]

well if you look at it, only recent years companies (indi ones) doing survival games but more recently games being giving a chance to tame creatures, aint about easy or hard to make it its all about market and what makes ppl spend money

[pallid trellis]

ark 2 the day were all official severs are gonna have tribes with members in the hundreds

[tame geode]

I agree. Nothing but shit from the community in debatably the wrong ways. Experienced folks have more developed arguments, but then lesser experienced peeps see that and have to crap on it in less educated ways. It creates this vicious cycle of misplaced frustration as those lesser experienced peeps gain experience.

Its rough with how punishing the game is by itself without the social aspect.

[pallid trellis]

ark is a enjoy the grind but hate the getting raided part

ark grind is fun

getting offlined in 2 minutes is not fun

not to mention the fact that ark has so my ddos users

thx god i use a aes 256 encryption

[tropic forge]

humm, have you ever fall trought the map from simply log in? have you fall trought the map while farming metal whit a arky? have you ever rubber band against a tree 50 stray times? how long have you being playing ark?

[desert swallow]

list out all the positive things that you've done in ark.

falling through the map has happened to all of us, but it's not what defines ark. It's a bug, and they have fixed a lot over time as well.

[tame geode]

I have 30k hours across 4 accounts with 98% of that time being on official servers. I'm not proud of that, but there is very little I haven't seen in the way of bugs.

I also recognize that many of those issues happened because of something I did, and can prevent. Not always, but most of the time. There are reason why players clip through the mesh, there are reasons you get clipped inside of trees. I haven't personally had any of the examples you listed happen to me in years because I learned what caused them and avoid them.

Should we have to work around bugs? Thats debatable. Dying to the same thing over and over again is not something I'm personally interested in. At any rate, the game having bugs wasn't quite your argument and sounds like a strawman.

I challenge you to find a game that doesnt have bugs. Look at like minecraft. Minecraft has sooo many game breaking bugs. The way community handles them is completely different though.

[winged dome]

Hot dang, 30k. Respect 🫡

[tame geode]

I hate flexing hours because it's disgusting. However it seems thats what the comminity accepts as credibility.

[tropic forge]

ufff 30k thats a lot but aint crazy numbers

[tropic forge]

i can spend 30k hours inside a base and just saying i got 30k on the game btw

[tame geode]

Oh, I've made the mistake of wrestling with a pig my bad. Peace out to you.

[tropic forge]

damn going bad mouth ha

[winged dome]

I see gameplay hours as your willingness to stick to a game, despite it's flaws, wayyy longer than any other game or series and still seemingly enjoying it. I'm hovering around 11k

[blissful perch]

issue is that ark has hour sinks that promote afk

which imo aren't real play hours...because you aren't actually PLAYING the game

[winged dome]

True, and fair point

[tropic forge]

officials sink hours thats at least what i think even more if is pvp, still on pve you always have stuff to do

i have see ppl spending days inside the base rising dinos and collecting eggs and was fine by them, they call that playing ark

[tame geode]

Thats why its meaningless to boast hours, but it does show some commitment to the game like what was mentioned I guess. 30k hours sounds like a bunch until 10k of that is afk rendering the base.

[winged dome]

Personally, the vast majority of my hours are playing the game. Though most in the community sees anything aside hardcore Official PvP as waste of time

[tame geode]

I guess instead of saying I have 30k hours to that kid, I should have just said I've been playing since before spinos were in the game. Not gonna stop him from trolling.

[tropic forge]

ufff

[winged dome]

Ah, early Spinos and their skin-covered yucky teeth

Kinda miss the puppy run though, despite being comically inaccurate

[tropic forge]

i miss the time that 1 phiomia mean that you could save your dinos from starvation

[tame geode]

It's dumb, but I personally miss the sabers having nuts. Something so strange about it. Then they took the time to give both genders their proper anatomy lol. So weird, but so funny.

An example of a bug we all laughed at back in the day, but the community would have a fit about today.

[blissful perch]

ark has a massive problem of "I've played X hours or been here Y years, so I have perfect knowledge of how game design works"

perhaps to some people's surprise, game design knowledge is independant of how much time you spent playing ark

[tame geode]

Well, I could also add that I've actually spent hundreds of hours in the devkit which still has limited credibility, but I think the point of me mentioning my hours is because some guy challenged my ability to refute his comment, and the community just accepts playtime. In some instaces hours played can translate to experience. I've also not mentioned being perfect at the game. I just try to learn from my experiences. A lot of people do not.

[stray elm]

What you mean I never touch coding before?
I have 1,560 hours in ARK. I totally know how the game works.

[mint swan]

when does it come out

[stray elm]

End of 2024

[blissful perch]

it's more a comment about the reason WC has grown weary of communicating with us about anything related to design or specific information...we see what the community universally supports, which are community creature votes, and that's about it

[tropic crag]

🤡

[tropic crag]

🤡

[lavish coral]

Next wipe:

ARKpocalypse: September 8th 2023
Beginner: September 29th 2023

[tropic crag]

That has nothing to do with Ark 2 or ASA

[lavish coral]

Which company would announce a planned wipe few days before a shutdown of all servers?

Another delay incoming

[lime forge]

Lol that is kinda sus.

[winged dome]

Jat did mention they're not fussed about the wipe schedule since it'll be going away soon 🤷

[tropic crag]

Not to mention, if that's when the server would normally wipe... why change it? That'd be even sillier lol

[ancient swift]

will ark be 3rd person only

[ripe marsh]

yeah

[ancient swift]

thats dumb

[lime forge]

It’ll be fiiiine

[ancient swift]

i need someone to play ark with:/

[north willow]

WHAT

THIRD PERSON ONLY?!?!?

[lime forge]

Uh yeah

It was one of the first official announcements about Ark 2

Back in like 2020

Oooh. No, there’d be fuckin riots if they did that.

[inner jolt]

wait ark 2 will not be like the first one but with better graphics?

[lime forge]

It’ll be the same genre of game, but the gameplay is going to be significantly different

[stray elm]

That's what ASA is for

[nova sonnet]

why dont you guys just play on an unofficial server

and forget ark 2 and asa are coming out

just dont even bother

in caps so then where is the SALVATION☠️☠️

BAZINGA

[tropic crag]

Wtf are you on about lmao

[rustic crow]

Let’s see, because they will have new content and stuff to do

[lime forge]

Some people are just EXTREMELY salty that a business isn’t giving away their work for free.

[nova sonnet]

ASA and ARK 2 are out of reach, but ASE stands forever

[blissful perch]

ASE could stand forever…for some people. It won’t for me 😛

[lime forge]

Same. We’ve been asking WC for years to fix Ark. They finally do it and people still complain lol

[blissful perch]

With such a large playerbase, someone is gonna complain about anything. Although with ark, there’s usually a complaint from everyone about anything. Even if it’s perfect, it’s too late, it’s not everything fixed at once, etc etc

[mint swan]

Do you remember the April 1st CC?

[lime forge]

Can you be more specific? Or are you referring to this last April when they announced both delays

[south lance]

i wish theyd just confirm them fixing some garbage but idek if the devs know all the balance changes they need and snail games just wont support changes that fix cancer cause all that cancer is basically time sink

[static marsh]

we should also know if the smalltribe will exit at the beginning of ASA

[winged dome]

Hopefully we get some more info on available server types as we get closer to the release window

[fast isle]

Are wildcard going bankrupt? Million dollar franchise taking a 3 million dollar loan?

[winged dome]

Uh, what? 😂

[fast isle]

I kinda skimmed through a video and I heard “ a multi billion dollar franchise taking a 3 million dollar loan to finish their game is worrying”

I mean it’s not like it matters because I’m sure many people are gonna buy the game

[winged dome]

It's also an unofficial source video, I don't believe it for a second - plus 3m is probably a pretty small amount for a game the scale of Ark

[tropic crag]

I was gonna say, since when did they announce they took out a loan? Lol

Def isn't official info

[stray elm]

Can they back it up with a source?

[fast isle]

They had a bunch of pictures and stuff

[stray elm]

Pictures mean shit when there's no source.

[fast isle]

Yet again i don’t know if it’s true I just skimmed through a video to avoid click bait

[winged dome]

So, no 😂

[fast isle]

Pictures of a website with words

[stray elm]

Pictures can be fabricated.

[fast isle]

Looked like a financial report

[stray elm]

I too can make a website and say shit.

[winged dome]

I mean ... You clicked. That bait was good enough 😂

[fast isle]

But in the fourth quarter of 2022 they made 15.3 million

[tropic crag]

Fair enough, yeah I would avoid stuff like that entirely in the future bud 😅

[fast isle]

I’m sure they wouldn’t need a 3 million dollar loan?

[fast isle]

Loadedcrysis used to get me so angry I just blocked his channel

[tropic crag]

Very good

[fast isle]

He’d make a new information video where he repeats the same stuff

[stray elm]

LoadedCrysis?
More like LoadedBait.

[fast isle]

Every week

[stray elm]

Yeah, he's not also doing too hot in viewership anymore.
You could say his crisis is pretty loaded.....
Laugh. 🔫

[fast isle]

I just rewatched the video

He has financial reports from snail games themselves

[stray elm]

Can you DM the video?

[fast isle]

SEC filings

[tropic crag]

Snail Games ≠ Wildcard

Just to be sure

They do have other projects, however destitute they may be 😂

[winged dome]

PixArk 😂

[fast isle]

Bro pixark

I got it free on epic games and I saw king daddy dmac play it once

And I never played it myself

[fast isle]

Yeah it’s snail games mb

But doesn’t snail games like own wildcard

[stray elm]

Oh yeah, I reversed Google searched the site.

[fast isle]

Is it fake

[stray elm]

No, that's an actual government website I believe

[fast isle]

So snail games is really in debt 4.0 million dollars

[stray elm]

But it's normal if I recall to take loans from parterships like Nitrado, especially with a new game coming out soon.

[fast isle]

How are they even in debt after making nearly 100 million a year?

[stray elm]

That's normal.

[fast isle]

Where’s all the money going 😭

[stray elm]

ASA and ARK-2, probably.

[desert swallow]

businesses re-invest their revenue for growth, on paper it can show a deficit some years

[fast isle]

Is ascended just them remaking and remodelling everything

[stray elm]

It's normal for companies to be in debt I believe, cause it's investment debt.

[fast isle]

In ue5

[stray elm]

Basically, I'm spending 4Million to go into debt to release a game and get 8Million.

[fast isle]

I’m kinda disappointed they aren’t offering a free upgrade for it or even a discounted upgrade

[winged dome]

That, plus new features. True crossplay, mods for console, ect. And a new DLC

[fast isle]

They’re gonna make 100 million at least I think

[stray elm]

ASA isn't even an upgrade. It's a new game

[stray elm]

Right, but you get the viewpoint.
Can't make money without spending money.

[fast isle]

Is it not just a pretty reskin with some bug fixes and a few new dinos

[fast isle]

Yeah

[stray elm]

Nope.
More like the RE2Remake

[fast isle]

What’s the point tho?

For those who don’t like ark2?

[stray elm]

Yep.
Which is a solid half-of the community right now.

[winged dome]

Basically. Community wanted more Ark1, so WC did just that

[fast isle]

How can ppl judge a game without playing it

Or even seeing gameplay

[stray elm]

By reading what gameplay promises they're showcasing.

[fast isle]

But the promises look good lmao

[winged dome]

To some, others not so much

[stray elm]

They look 50/50 to me, and complete shit to half of the community.

[fast isle]

I’m just happy that tek is gone and building is improved

And the graphics will obviously be nicer

[stray elm]

I like the idea of souls-like combat, but I had the idea of it possibly being all primitive throughout the 8+ years of its lifespan.

[fast isle]

Ngl the game had mad potential

But it’s just balancing issues I think

Like primitive plus and all of that is cool

[stray elm]

Tek isn't also the issue, it's balancing issues with it. Like you just said.

[fast isle]

But u can still like run through everything with a giga pretty much

[fast isle]

Tek is too op tbh like u can’t have a shit tek rifle it wouldn’t make sense so it’s either op or it’s not

Tek suits and nets ruined pvp

[stray elm]

Again, balance is the issue. Not the item itself.

[fast isle]

Yeah I guess so

[stray elm]

Tek would've been a great addition if it was actually balanced out.

[fast isle]

But I hate how I don’t own genesis

And I bola a guy in a tek suit

And he flies away

While I can’t ever get nets

[stray elm]

And them giving up and removing it in ARK-2, instead of rebalancing it is one reason why I king of dislike ARK-2.

[winged dome]

Can't you learn nets on Lost Island?

[fast isle]

That’s what asa is for ig

[stray elm]

Yep

[fast isle]

If you can I’d be disappointed

[stray elm]

You can

[fast isle]

Lmao that’s a bummer

[stray elm]

And Fjordur.

[fast isle]

I’ve never played fjordur

Ragnarok on 🔝

I’m addicted to that map

[stray elm]

Fjordur unlocks all engrams if I recall, like Gen2

[fast isle]

Gen 2 is the only map I actually want but I’m done with ark

[stray elm]

Wait for Gen2 on ASA

[fast isle]

I’m not playing asa

Done with ark 1 forever lmao

I just wanna watch some ark 2 videos and if it’s good I’ll play it

[stray elm]

Then you'll be needing to wait for awhile for ARK-2, especially if it gets delayed again.

[winged dome]

Gonna be a while for Ark2

[fast isle]

Yeah I don’t mind

[torpid talon]

asa airbus a320

[fast isle]

It’s not like I need to play ark in the meantime

I just want them to take their time and actually remove all the bugs

I used to think the game was made buggy on purpose to make you lose your stuff and play more 😭

[winged dome]

Hah 😂

[torpid talon]

lmao

[fast isle]

Me and my 7 year old brain

Or 9

[winged dome]

No, that's what the stint of 'fun' creatures was for

[fast isle]

I don’t even remember when I got ark

6 years ago I think

So I was 9 yeah

[winged dome]

Pego, Microraptor, Purlovia, ect

[fast isle]

Troodon

[winged dome]

'"Gameplay"'

[fast isle]

Why are troodons so fast

Never understood

And the worst part is when you’re wearing good armour and a level 20 troodon kncoks you out

and you’re stuck there for a good 20 minutes while it runs around trying to kill you

Missing half its shots but just enough to keep you out

[winged dome]

Status effect that completely ignores armor 👌

Now I always keep stims on my bar

[fast isle]

I’m just so excited for the crafting style of ark 2

The more primitive style of gameplay too

• more realism and better graphics

[winged dome]

Yeah, I'm excited to learn more about how the modular crafting works

[fast isle]

Dinosaurs don’t have an omniscient radar 😭

Im also glad they considered Dino armour

I thought of having dinosaurs vary in size slightly but it wouldn’t make sense for a game with pvp you know

[stray elm]

Like, it can.

[winged dome]

Could work, as long as the variations weren't outrageous. Smaller scale could move slightly faster and have more stamina than larger scale that have better weight or health or something

[stray elm]

Scales would 100% just be cosmetics.

Like the fish scaling.

[winged dome]

Could do that too, but imo if there a different (visually) then there should be a difference mechanically

[stray elm]

That's probably way too much time and effort that could be put into something more worthwhile, especially changing stuff like movement speed and stamina that'd could easily get out of hand with balancing.

Not just that, but it'd also add yet another grindy mechanics people have to look out for.
It's already an issue that not all 150 creatures have good stats, since it's RNG of where they mostly put their points into in the wild. We don't need another chore.

[winged dome]

Also depends on how they do other scaling like levels or some equivalent. If the whole system is built from the ground up with those variables in mind then it isn't as crazy RNG as it seems.

Imo, hopefully the base level of a creature shouldn't really matter that much. The ballooning of wild dino levels made some tames way stronger than they had any right to be, but community want big numbies so everything was inflated over time, and the game was further tweaked to compensate

Then mutations happened 🙄

But I'm no game designologist, these are just the ramblings of someone passionate about a dinosaur punching simulator

[tropic crag]

?

Why are you booing me, I'm right

[split zephyr]

Any body on ps4/5 wanna play

[mint swan]

I’m finally freeee

What do you want to know about the April 1st cc?

[mint swan]

It was one of the most important ones regarding Ark II, I just want to discuss it and this is ark 2 chat

Thank you for your suggestion though

[charred swallow]

Bro when tf is ark 2 coming out

[stray elm]

End of 2024.

[stoic raptor]

(Supposedly)

[stray elm]

That's if it doesn't get delayed again.

[stoic raptor]

exactly lel

[stray elm]

Which personally, I kind of hope it does.
I'd rather them take time to develop ASA and ARK-2 equally.
If they rush the DLC's out to get to ARK-2's deadline, than that would heavily effect the quality of the DLC's.

[winged dome]

Could be two separate dev teams 🤔

[untold ingot]

*is two separate dev teams

[tropic crag]

That's something we've known for a while, is it not?

[winged dome]

Maybe, I can't remember everything 😂

[split dove]

Must've been the ark player "publicly confirmed info dementia" PCID syndrome

[tropic crag]

Are you ok?

It just reads out like you had a seizure is all, because none of it makes sense 😅

Had me worried

[ruby lake]

When Ark 2 comes out, I’m hopping I can build cooler boats

I wanna be able to become England

Boat war ark 2 funny moments ps5

Amazing

What system do you play on?

Is it loud, like fan wise?

What

Can I show you my cooling system?

No

Check Dm, it’s very sad how I have to cool it

I own a ps4 pro

Also known as the “Boeing 747”

It’s kinda broke

It can’t draw enough air so I put my personal fan next to it

I removed the dust yesterday

Also let’s not clog this chat lma💬

How

PS4 aren’t exactly easy to take apart

I don’t like computer because it needs a 4000$ graphics card to run a decent game

[lime forge]

I’ve yet to find a game that can make my 1080ti sweat

[drowsy hamlet]

ehum minecraft using a different pack to make blocks really detailed will do it

[nova sonnet]

what an insightful discussion, thank you for your time😁

now i know EVERYTHING.

[nova sonnet]

Knowledge is power.

[nova sonnet]

Knowledge is everything.

[tired needle]

Im groot

🤣

[mint swan]

ark2 01.01.2030

[rich bear]

I wonder if the game will be optimized and not 300+ GB that takes 12 hours to install and ends up cluttering your entire main drive.

(Referring to Steam)

[stray elm]

My ARK has never taken 12-hours to install with all DLC's.

[rich bear]

Mine does for sone reason. Could be steam and it could be my gaming laptop, I have no clue.

[tropic crag]

ISP issue more than likely, possibly modem related if you haven't bought your own

The standard modems that most ISPs give out are trash

(On purpose)

[untold canyon]

ARK Is the 1.5 play video real?

[tropic crag]

There is no gameplay of ASA right now, so no, I don't believe so

[untold ingot]

October 31st 2023 is the hard deadline for Asa release

[fallow niche]

I feel like we need a good dose of saladmander

[stray elm]

Feel like we need a good dose of ASA reveals before Salamander.

[fallow niche]

I miss the salad okay

[stray elm]

But also, seems like Raq is correct.
Snail from what it appears is investing into ASA, and making sure ASA doesn't release later than October 31st.

Need to do a bit more research into it, though.

I kind of wonder if they're going to show something for ASA on the 1st of September, since that's ironically a Friday.

[untold ingot]

I'll send you the link

[stray elm]

Oh damn, it's a official Snail-Games document.

[untold ingot]

Basically any more delays defaults the contract to ase and really makes it rough on everything lol

[untold ingot]

Yup, read section 6 too lol, it's the pits

[stray elm]

Exclusivity?

[untold ingot]

Yup, basically nitrado is in charge of all hosting for Asa and ark2 and they get to decide pricing and if anyone else can host

[stray elm]

PAIN

So if they wanted to, they can force us into playing official

[untold ingot]

Yeah, pretty much

[stray elm]

Welp.

Looks like I'm sticking with ASE if they do that. 🦛

[untold ingot]

They won't, but it'll probably cost more than ase hosting

[stray elm]

Probably.

[stray elm]

Which section has the talk about the release-date being no later than the 31st?

[untold ingot]

It's the first bit. The loan is for Asa if it releases by oct31st, otherwise it goes for ase

[stray elm]

Ah, the funding section

[untold ingot]

Yeah

[stray elm]

So yeah, they're kind of forced to release within October, or else the money for the servers go towards ASE and that'll probably be a bit hectic.

[untold ingot]

Yeah, they stepped in all the mud on this one

[stray elm]

Umm....can you explain that analogy?

[untold ingot]

Well, not really

Just that this is a big issue imo

Like bigger than over wolf mods, bigger even than the conquest cheating by snail. Because this doesnt affect official players, it screws over everyone who does unofficial

The issue is that it won't be obvious until launch, so people won't talk about it

I looked for YouTube videos on it, but the only ones talk about the release date. It's like no one read the exclusivity bit yet. I think gp is going to do a video on it though

[desert swallow]

it's releasing on that day whether it's ready or not

[tropic crag]

I mean, it's releasing in early access for a reason

If they use that fact to their advantage and just say that any issues that do occur are because it's EA, then imo that's fine because I still know it'll be good when it's finished

Couldn't really care less what state it's in when it releases tbh

[desert swallow]

saved for later

[tropic crag]

Ok, go ahead lmao idgaf

[desert swallow]

Ok, sounds good

[iron sequoia]

[blissful perch]

Eck. Unofficials getting hairy does not please me. Hope nitrado doesn’t abuse the monopoly if they have it for a while

[untold ingot]

They have it contracted for 7 years

[ripe cedar]

early access or not they really need this launch to be decent at worst

[lime forge]

AAA games with subscriptions rarely have decent launches. I highly doubt Ark is going to.

[tropic crag]

Since when is ASA a subscription based game? I must've missed that

[lime forge]

I never said it was. I believe you missed the point. It was a comparison.

[tropic crag]

Strange comparison

[mint swan]

Hopefully Asa is “good when it’s finished “ but we’re talking about ark lmfao…ASE been out for years now and it’s no longer (Game preview), like it was on Xbox …and there’s still broken stuff and stuff they can’t fix ..I don’t have much hope for Asa especially being crossplay but I’m willing to give it a try

I think the whole cross play thing is going to make or break ASA I think that’s bigger then any other thing they plan doing

[tropic crag]

The stuff they can't fix is due to engine and platform limitations; those won't exist in ASA. Also, just saying "this old as dirt game still has a few bugs in it so the new one will too and be bad" is a bit of a false equivalence

Cool thing about crossplay, if you care about that too, you can turn it off

It'll only let you play on servers that are also non-crossplay, though (which there's none of for ASE official iirc, you have to go find an unofficial to play if you do that)

[mint swan]

It’s all just assumptions/opinions I don’t know for fact if it’s going to be horrible or not it could actually turn out pretty good ..same as you,there’s a lot of people who seem to think “new engine no more problems” but it’s all speculation.(I see it as new engine ,more problems because devs don’t have a lot of experience with it yet)We won’t know till we try it…also the thing about crossplay is the way the devs make it sound is as if all officials For ASA will be crossPlat.and that only player dedi servers will have the option to not play crossPlat…which I don’t agree with due to pc hackers .not only that but as we’ve seen with the past few ark patch’s/updates especially with Xbox/win10 is that they don’t always get updates on time..so if that happens in the future,most likely official servers will be shut down alot until all systems have there update because it would be unfair for one system to play and not the other..and if a crazy exploit was to come out such as spoofing for ASA then rip almost the whole official player base compared to if it was just in one system…reason why I think crossplay is going be arks biggest change it could make the game or break it and no1 will want to play it

[tropic crag]

Trust me, I hate crossplay as much as the next guy, but it's an avoidable issue... you literally can turn it off lol I don't get what the big deal is, do you actually like playing on official somehow? Is that the deal?

And as for the opinions stuff, I don't really see how getting rid of multiple generations of consoles in favor of just one and also ridding themselves of an unintentionally stunted engine (it being the main reason for the old game being "bad") doesn't immediately make the new game better, it factually does 😂

Needless to say, Ark 1 was Wildcard's first game, that's a thing a lot of people seem to not think about. How can they learn from their mistakes when the mistakes have to be made first?

It's kinda like how Larian Studios is going. They made Divinity Original Sin 1 & 2, which had a few issues here and there, but then they made Baldur's Gate 3, most likely game of the year and one of the best games in the past decade, for sure. A near flawless masterpiece, in just a few short steps. Wildcard have yet to take those steps, but do I think they're in the same boat? Hell yeah.

I highly doubt they'll deliver anything less than a masterful and enjoyable game for years to come, as they already did with Ark 1 (which we all have played for years, issues and all, let's be real.)

[harsh spear]

when is the next asa delay announcement ?

[drowsy hamlet]

there won't be one they need to do it they can't delay it

[nova sonnet]

XDDDD

but what i said was true!

[blissful perch]

Is that similar to the ASE official contract? Or it is clearly all inclusive for unofficials?

[pine basin]

Of course they can. I remember when they decided to share the roadmap a few months ago they said they would talk to partners so they could take some decisions. After that they’ve postponed Ark 2 and announced there wouldn’t be a free engine upgrade, and instead we would get ASA.

If they need to postpone again they will seat and talk with their “partners” again

I mean, I few months ago I thought they wouldn’t postpone Ark 2 because it was an early-access title, which means they can release a more unstable build and keep working on it. If they did that with Ark 2, they can also postpone ASA indefinitely. Not saying they will, just saying it’s not impossible

The fact they are openly saying they are struggling with UE5 doesn’t bode well to me. I just hope they can overcome this fast.

[runic sluice]

Are they going to literally make ark 1 not available when ASA comes out

Like can we still do single player ?

[lime forge]

Only official servers are being removed

[tropic crag]

It's almost like that very question could be answered by looking at the posts where ASA was announced...

[split dove]

must be the PCID syndrome taking effect again

[tropic forge]

just a reminder ASA will be early access too, most dont see or dont want to see but ark 2 aint coming at the end of 2024 at all most likely 2026 since they have a 1 new dlc at least for ASA plus i believe ASA will be delay again to next year

[verbal wind]

having ASA out and everything planned for it, no way we'd get just a year before ark 2

[nova sonnet]

cant wait for ark 2 concept art

[stray elm]

I can

[tranquil ether]

whats the consensus on Overwolf here?

[prisma acorn]

is this the ASA and ARK 2 channel because i don't see anywhere else that talks about ASA as much as here

[stray elm]

Big shit

[stray elm]

It's used as an ASA channel until one actually opens up

[prisma acorn]

I like overwolf for league of legends but not much else

[stray elm]

I personally hate addware.

[tranquil ether]

thats what im worried about

[stray elm]

Well, with the new legal documents Snail-games have on their website. Another thing to be worried about it seems is allowing Nitrado to have legal say in how 'they' want to do server-marketing for ASA and ARK-2.
Which means if they wanted to, they could make it that they're the only server providers for ASA and ARK-2.

[prisma acorn]

i was gonna use it on diablo 4 but they released a big statement that all overlays are bannable and i didnt want to risk it

[tranquil ether]

i have been looking at various 3rd party trust sites and some of them have Overwolf at as high as 75% bad rateing .

[stray elm]

Cause it's addware.

[tranquil ether]

for a number of differant things addware being just one of them.

[tranquil ether]

i dont know anything about Nitrado.

[stray elm]

Shitty services, shitty customer support, they're the server providers for official servers, etc.

[tranquil ether]

ouch.

[tropic crag]

There was, a few weeks(/probably months now lol) back, an ex Nitrado employee who said that they can and do straight up blacklist customers for complaining or calling customer support too much for help solving issues with their garbage servers, if this stuff is true then it's a step in the wrong direction. I'd take 0 official servers at launch over only Nitrado on all platforms, official or not, forever

[ripe cedar]

And of course general monopoly bad reasons because no competition means they will probably be even worse

Yay

[nova sonnet]

i love nitrado!

[ripe cedar]

4 million dollars to screw over your customers, i guess we will see how it plays out in the long run for nitrado unfortunately probably will end up being worth it

[pine basin]

I know it’s not easy, I’ve been following other devs trying ue5. Everything is new. I’m not saying that implying Wc is being incompetent. But I’m saying that because I’m not so confident they will release things on time.

[pine basin]

I know it’s an EA release. But my point is, even being EA, it doesn’t mean they will accomplish to release it on time (by the end of October). At least I’m not so confident about that. We will see.

[pine basin]

First rule of the Interwebs: #1 Don’t trust everything you read on the internet.

[tropic crag]

... He had screenshots of the process, lmao

[pine basin]

I always read those statements from former employees or former CEOs with pinch of salt

[tropic crag]

There were others that colluded with him as well, and were in the same Nitrado group chat

Not to mention the people who were effected by it

[pine basin]

Well, I don’t trust those statements. But I’m not too versed on Nitrado servers. I was involved on hosting unnoficials before, but always private servers with private hardware.

If they keep things like they for ASE, that’s fine

We will be able to host our own servers with our own hardware (or third party hardware).

[tropic crag]

The issue is that it won't be like ASE, they will have exclusivity rights for all of ASA and Ark 2 (if I'm reading these right, and if they're true.)

[stray elm]

They kind of do for official, but this new deal allows them to have rights for 'all' servers.

Nope, you can rent servers from any provider for ASE

This is why the legal-document is a deal breaker for some players.
Cause now they're going to be forced to use Nitrado if Nitrado themselves restrict access to other providers for ASA.
Which is likely, since that's called 'monopolizing' the servers.

[blissful perch]

It’s called “good business” on nitrado’s part. The error was giving them full reign over all multiplayer functionality of a sandbox game

[stray elm]

Good business, until people say 'fuck it' and make their own servers.

[blissful perch]

(Should that be the case, since idk if this contract is identical to the ASE one or not. “All servers” may only mean all snail/WC servers)

[stray elm]

The legal-document mentions that SGUSA are allowing Maris (parent company of Nitrado) full reign of all servers, which included private servers.

[blissful perch]

You basically own console unofficials with a monopoly like that - it’s a safe bet for that alone. For PC you’ll get dedicated machines, but it’s hardly the same as the price competition from other host platforms

Although I suspect if multiplayer is allowed on dedicated machines, other server hosting networks can host unofficials. Perhaps in a janky fashion, but I don’t see how it’s functionally distinct in terms of enforcement

[stray elm]

"Subject to the satisfaction of the conditions of Section 6.1(c) below, for the period commencing on the date hereof and ending on the expiration of the seven (7) year anniversary of date hereof ("Exclusivity Period"), SGUSA hereby grants Marbis the exclusive, non-transferable, global, and irrevocable (i) right to (A) provide SGUSA (and its affiliates) with official servers to host and run the Games and (B) rent out private servers and community servers (other than the Expected Servers), (ii) licenses to use the server files, client keys, or any other, or any form of, data (collectively, "Server Files") in connection with (A) the administration and management of official servers, and (B) hosting and running the Games on private/community servers (but specifically excluding the servers which continue to host Ark SE in its current version, which shall be governed by Section 6.2 ), and (iii) licenses to host and run the Games on private/community servers, it being understood that Marbis shall be entitled to provide the aforementioned services through, and sublicense the aforementioned licenses to, its Affiliates and/or third party subcontractors appointed by Marbis ("Games Exclusivity"), Marbis hereby accepts such grant."

[pine basin]

I don’t know. I think only consoles will be locked in. Things will probably be the same as we have now.

[stray elm]

Sorry for the text wall, but that's the Section talking about it.

[pine basin]

AFAIK ase was always exclusive to Nitrado and we were able to host our servers. But officials and consoles… it’s different unfortunately

The issue now is, maybe, cross platform

Im not sure if pc will be locked in because of the cross platform feature

Or if you host a pc exclusive server you will be fine hosting your own server with your own hardware

[blissful perch]

It looks like A and B are distinct

B says nitrado can always, for 7 years, rent servers…but it doesn’t offer exclusivity that I can see outside A, which speaks to officials

[stray elm]

Does the "rent out private servers and community servers" not mean anything?

I have no idea how to read legal-documents, and just read it as one consisive page. So that might've been the issue.

[ripe cedar]

no it states exclusivity before that with A and B being for i which is non tranferable exclusive rights which would apply to both A and B

its in the description of GP's video if you know where that is

[stray elm]

I sent him the link

[blissful perch]

Yea I’m thinking this is nearly identical to ASE

It binds nitrado as the official server hosting service and “default” unofficial provider for 7 years

[ripe cedar]

anyone know a lawyer?

[blissful perch]

I do, but i can also say most lawyers won’t read one cut out clause and tell you much lol

[stray elm]

I can send you the whole document if you want

[blissful perch]

Yea let me see it

[untold ingot]

They did not actually. Only for official. But they will have exclusivity rights for ase if Asa isn't released by Oct 31st

[potent hull]

sow we will see asa in october

[untold ingot]

Yeah, for sure

Althooogh, if someone at wc really wanted to flip off snail, they could delay the launch until November 2nd lol, because then the contract for exclusivity doesn't apply

[stray elm]

That actually sounds like something Jesse/Jeremy would do.

[pine basin]

I don’t think so. If they need another postponement they will have to sit with their partners (snail games, nitrado etc) and negotiate that. Just like they did before the roadmap presentation.

Postponing it breaking the agreements is probably worse for WC than it would be for SG

[untold ingot]

I mean, maybe

But it would be funny

[tropic crag]

It certainly would

[mortal bloom]

When is the release?

[quaint horizon]

October according to 'snail games CEO jim'

Though now theres another document to read 78 pages lots of debt, info to go through.

[tropic forge]

where you ppl get those infos about snails documents???

[tribal chasm]

ASA will be separate again for the Snail Games and Wildcard servers right? I hope at least

[winged dome]

We dunno

[untold ingot]

All servers will be nitrados

[tropic forge]

and another shit creature about to join ark

[lime forge]

They’re public contracts required for investors

[mint swan]

Why does it seem like people are mad at nitrado for possibly owning all the servers? At the end of the day wc/snail agreed and accepted the terms that were in there deal it’s not nitrados fault..also there service must be ok if lots of games use them.if they were as horrible as people make them sound I don’t think they would still be in business…as for people saying there quality sucks it’s only true to an extent…wc/snail has/had the option to upgrade there servers for better performance but has not ..and I know this for fact because I played on a big official tribe server that was so fat it crashed literally every 15m and the devs had to UPGRADE the server and after that we were able to play again without as much crashing

[lime forge]

A lot of people just don’t like Nitrado. I believe it’s pricing. I’ve used Nitrado for years without issue, but I don’t use their cheapest available servers.

[tropic crag]

I've never had issues with them myself, but I'm also not going to pretend that they're better than Gportal or most other providers, they have quite a few issues that have been documented here already that I don't have time to regurgitate

[gleaming dagger]

Will the asa official servers be crossplay?

[stray elm]

Yes

[gleaming dagger]

WWW

[thorn jackal]

I need gaming PC….

[nova sonnet]

i need pegomastex

[odd locust]

are asa’s graphics about to be vastly better than the original or js like a little tweak and remaster

[chrome lodge]

It's gonna be ue5

[lime forge]

Vastly better

[odd locust]

i dont really know what that means but im guessing its very good

[lime forge]

It’s gonna look better than real life

[odd locust]

perfect

[modest sail]

Is ASA going to be available for download before the release? Anyone know?

[blissful perch]

It would be posted on announcements if it was

[mint swan]

Do you guys think that with the new ARK game being crossplat that it had anything to do with as to why wildcard/snail chose nitrado (other then loan contract) for server hosing? Like maybe other server hosts aren’t strong enough to handle crossplat with the uploading items/chars from all platforms? Or perhaps some systems don’t give other server hosts the same permission (maybe Microsoft is like nope we only like nitrado) .or does that have nothing to do with it? (Keep in mind I have 0 server knowledge so im a bob when comes to that)

[lime forge]

I think its entirely a business decision

[blissful perch]

Agreed. It was probably the best deal

[drowsy hamlet]

nitrado isn't as good as they say they are it's a sell tactic mate 😂

there over expensive as well and making us pay for slots instead of space

there webside is useless

[untold ingot]

I think the only reason nitrado got that deal is because Asa went over budget and they needed a loan.

Official being on nitrado is fine, but anyone can host a cross-platform server, there is no reason to lock us all to a crap host other than needing the extra money to make the game

[south lance]

why would they do it for only a couple million tho

just delay again at that point

get a loan from elsewhere

unless nobody else wanna invest in SG anymore ig xd

[lavish coral]

Do we expect any change to breeding in ASA? Like the whole mutation system from a game design perspective looks broken right now but it’s most fun part for many pve players.

[lime forge]

The only thing broken about the mutation system is the cap that’s meant to stop it from getting drastically out of hand.

[split dove]

best chance for that kind of change would be Ark 2, as people that wanted ASA just wanted ''Ark 1 carbon copy in UE5''

[blissful perch]

I’d argue it “is” broken, rather than looks broken. But it’s also the only post game progression activity in ASE, so that’s not shocking people enjoy it. Ark 2 will need to fill that gap, and I suspect ASA will at most make some tweaks to it rather than fully resolve it

What I’d like to see ASA try is either 1) hard cap at 20/20 or 2) fix the unintuitive method of mutation stacking to be an intended mechanic and include proper UI elements that would guide a new player into understanding how to do it and how to track it

[pine basin]

Sony and Microsoft are super restrictive regarding online games. Not everyone can setup servers for the games on those platforms. That’s one of the reasons I’m not sure the crossplatform will be a issue on hosting servers with our own hardware (or other 3rd party providers). Maybe we will still be able to set up pc-only servers.

[pine basin]

Nobody wants to invest on WC anymore, not even SG (they are themselves in financial trouble I guess). It’s an one game company (they say atlas isn’t their game LOL), that is struggling to deliver their other titles (Ark 2 and ASA).

I love Ark, but I wouldn’t put my money on WC with their recent history

[blissful perch]

Well…I’d argue many folks are nervous to keep investing in WC if nothing is produced

[pine basin]

By my money I mean if I was a big investor, not as a gamer

[blissful perch]

If asa comes out this fall as planned, and it’s a hit, I see this as a very positive sign for ark 2 investment and support

[pine basin]

Sure, agreed. But right now… weather is cloudy for them… I’d say

[blissful perch]

I’d agree with that. I think they have a safe path forward, but they can’t stumble around into this fall and remain in optimal shape

[nova sonnet]

Nonsense! I love my 4000% melee Managarmr!

[south lance]

i love your 4k melee mana too

[south lance]

agreed

[blissful perch]

Speaking of bad UI - the % melee thing has got to go. That should show as a damage number, since that’s what’s actually relevant

“300% base melee” is a useless number to provide someone good information with, at least compared to “230 damage”

[rancid harness]

Idk, it's stuff like that that created the treasure that is the Ark wiki.

But I like having to look stuff up.

And research.

And discover things as a community.

[blissful perch]

If you have to read a wiki to understand the game - the game is built poorly

If you need to use a wiki to grasp every little detail that’s fine. But even the most basic ark concepts require outside information sources

[nova sonnet]

I prefer the percentages

[nova sonnet]

you need wiki for the lore☠️⚠️

[rancid harness]

You just said that if you have to learn organically, the game is bad.

And I disagree very very vehemently.

[blissful perch]

If you have to learn the game any way BUT organically, it’s bad

If I have to use a wiki to grasp how the game works at a basic level, the game has failed

[rancid harness]

Organic learning:
"The student develops curiosity about a topic, concept, problem, or idea, then seeks out methods to satisfy this curiosity."

[blissful perch]

Yes, and that should be done in the game, ideally through gameplay

NOT on an external platform like YouTube or a wiki

[rancid harness]

Lol imo the whole reason ark is good is because there's so much to explore.
Finding creature base damage is a good example of the multitude of small things ark has to explore.

[pine basin]

The system as is today, this can’t be done. Because there are a lot of variables. You probably know as you are well informed that the damage system involves a big equation

[untold ingot]

That's kind of like "go learn math kid, but don't read a textbook"

[rancid harness]

fr

[pine basin]

That said, I don’t know how they can make the damage status as a damage number

[rancid harness]

Multiply the base damage by the percentage and output the result instead of the percentage

Just hide the percent and base damage behind code

[blissful perch]

The actual damage dealt is not clean in ASE. But there’s no reason it can’t be cleaned up in ASA

[pine basin]

But it would be just another random number, because it wouldn’t be the real damage in the end

[rancid harness]

It would be if the target didn't have armor or resistance.

[pine basin]

Unless they simplify the system by a Lot, I don’t see how

[pine basin]

You want them to simplify then

I don’t like that

[rancid harness]

Lol I'm the one arguing that they should keep it the way it is

[pine basin]

I like the complexity of it actually

[blissful perch]

To use the analogy, ark right now is kinda like “take the test with the textbook full of answers open so you can just write the answers from the book”

[blissful perch]

It’s not simplified. It’s just a different way of displaying the same value

At 300% damage, a creature deals (let’s say) 150 damage to a training dummy. I’m simply suggesting that the creature stats show “150” instead of “300%”

[pine basin]

Ok then, let me rephrase then, if they take variables from the equation the system would be more simplistic and I don’t know if I would like that

[blissful perch]

NO variables are removed

[pine basin]

My point is “150” would just be another random number just like the 300%

[blissful perch]

It wouldn’t be though. 150 across all creatures is the same value now

[pine basin]

Because the final damage wouldn’t be 150

[blissful perch]

300% melee means different damage on every creature in the game

150 on a raptor = 150 on a rex with the model I suggest

[pine basin]

It wouldn’t because Ark has a lot of variables. Like debuffs, buffs etc

[blissful perch]

NONE of those things matter to base stats though

The issue right now is that “300%” is a meaningless number to compare a rex and a raptor

[pine basin]

Ok then, I think I get what you are saying. Maybe the % isn’t the real issue, but the base damage. Isn’t it?

They could keep the % but just make the base damage as 1, or 100, or a 1000

[blissful perch]

The issue is that the base stat for damage, which is communicated to players, is not consistent despite showing the same number. This is because it’s multiplied by the invisible base damage stat of each creature

300% on a rex is NOT going to deal the same damage as 300% on a raptor

[pine basin]

As I said above, changing the base damage to a fixed number for all the creatures would be fine to me

[winged dome]

That'd get weird, seeing a 100% Dodo and a 100000% Giga

[blissful perch]

That is a bad bad idea lol. That means a level 1 rex and a level 1 dodo deal identical damage (because their base damage is the same)

Base damage = damage at level 0

[pine basin]

TBF I don’t think the current system is flawed because of this specific point

But I wouldn’t be against this change LOL

I think there other things I have way more than that

[winged dome]

Its just needlessly confusing. At that point, just have the actual damage listed on the stat page. Bonus points for having a modifier for an Imprinted rider showing the buffed damage number

[pine basin]

Like the mutations you were talking earlier today

[blissful perch]

It’s pointlessly confusing and unhelpful

[pine basin]

Sure, but people would still need to check wiki to understand the final damage value

And I don’t see this as a problem

Because I like complex games

[winged dome]

Not if its just listed right there on the stats page

[pine basin]

You can’t list the actual damage because there are external variables

[winged dome]

Why not?

[pine basin]

The the creature you are trying to kill might be using a saddle (pvp). Or might be buffed or debuffed. Etc

[pine basin]

External variable

[winged dome]

But the damage the creature is dealing is the same

[pine basin]

No

[winged dome]

Specific DR of the target is different, but that doesn't matter

[pine basin]

It matters to me actually 😂

[winged dome]

Because the stats page should only account for the stats of that creature

[pine basin]

Sure, my point is people wanting to understand the system as a whole would still need wiki to understand how much damage their creature are actually dealing on their enemies

[winged dome]

Diablo tried to do what you're suggesting, stats would update vs the last creature you hit to account for resistances, defense, elemental resist, miss chance, ect - it was a mess and not useful

[blissful perch]

You will never know the exact damage you’re gonna deal to anything but a wild creature with no resistance. That’s expected, and people are ok with that…especially because armor values vary in ark

[pine basin]

Im not actually suggesting anything. I would be fine with either solution. I’m just saying that simply changing the % for the damage number wouldn’t really make wiki unnecessary

[rancid harness]

Could have lead with that lol

[blissful perch]

However all players should be able to know how much damage they’ll deal to a training dummy. Rather than seeing a % value that communicates no practical information a player can readily use (unless they memorized values from a wiki someone else gathered data for)

[pine basin]

Ark is so complex that we would need Dododex, arkpedia and all that at a given point

[rancid harness]

Right, which would be easy.

[blissful perch]

Correct

Easy, and a massive QoL improvement for people who want to figure things out ingame

[pine basin]

Just to be clear. I would be fine with this change. But someone said above that we shouldn’t need wiki to play the game. But the only way to accomplish that would be simplifying the system, and I wouldn’t like that

[blissful perch]

And tbh, everyone else who doesn’t memorize base damage values; myself included. It’s really silly that I have to alt tab to the wiki to see what damage I should be dealing by multiplying the base stat with the % value I’m being shown

You do NOT need to understand every system in high detail to accomplish the goal of “not needing the wiki to play the game”

[pine basin]

All the games I like the most need external info to be “really played”. No man’s sky, the Witcher, Elder Scrolls etc

[blissful perch]

If a player can figure out how to perform the basic gameplay loop and understand the UI/features, that’s a success. If they want to see all the little details and tricks, that’s where a wiki or YouTube comes in.

[rancid harness]

I mean you can kill the bosses without knowing base damage.

[blissful perch]

But you can’t tame a creature or mutation stack anything without the wiki

[pine basin]

But I think it is already possible. But just the basics. There’s no final solution to make external info unnecessary, unless you make it less complex

[rancid harness]

Incubator

And taming? We did that before the wiki existed, come on

[blissful perch]

The incubator does NOT explain anything about how mutation stacking works or how the mutation cap works

[pine basin]

The incubator doesn’t have a tutorial

You just see the stats

[rancid harness]

And the mutations in which stats

[winged dome]

Only because the Devs explained how, or info passed word of mouth style on the Ark Reddit

[pine basin]

Yeah, but a beginner has no idea what this means. That’s what he’s saying

[rancid harness]

Idk about you but the game has a manual that shows you how to tame a dodo, no?

[winged dome]

It didn't use to

[pine basin]

All beginners need to read wiki, or watch a video to understand the system

[blissful perch]

The number of people who force fed material to tames or had no idea they were supposed to force feed ONLY narcotics (and never hit the creature to keep them knocked out) during ark’s lifetime was insane

[blissful perch]

And THIS indicates a failure. It’s fine for ASE given the early access and overall jank. But for a proper polished Asa or ark 2? Not so much

[winged dome]

The onboarding experience for a new player in Ark is actually pretty awful. Look in General, daily theres 10+ new players asking for someone to explain the most basic of gameplay to them

[pine basin]

I disagree, unless all complex games are a failure 😂

[rancid harness]

I think he's arguing that complexity unexplained is failure

[pine basin]

I mean, even series and movies have wikis to explain the details and fill in the gaps 😂

[rancid harness]

Any game can have ingame tutorials on complex features

[pine basin]

There’s no way to put every bit of info in game

[winged dome]

Skyrim at least has a competent tutorial. All normally-used controls and systems are explained one at a time in the first 30 minutes of the game

[blissful perch]

Almost all good complex games have an “easy to learn, hard to master” approach, where anyone can figure out how to handle the basic gameplay…but people can invest more time into the most niche mechanics etc should they want to be the best or most knowledgeable

[winged dome]

Ark is just ... nothing 😂

[blissful perch]

This is correct yes, although ideally there’s no formal tutorial, but rather gameplay mechanics that are intuitive and something you can learn while playing (although sometimes you just need text lol)

[pine basin]

The tutorial doesn’t explain 1% of the game, that’s my point

But yeah, maybe Ark should have a tutorial

[winged dome]

Because it doesn't need to - all the basics are covered, and it lets you figure the rest out as extensions of those basics. You don't need to lookup guides or whatever to do much of anything in Skyrim

[rancid harness]

That's what I like about it

[pine basin]

Well, at least I did. I needed external info to play it 100%

[rancid harness]

Go experience a new world

[pine basin]

And I’m fine with this

Complex games always needed external info

It’s part of the learning curve

[winged dome]

Now the other side of that coin is Pikmin4. That fucking game doesn't let you experience anything new or interesting without literally having a cutscene spoil everything about it

[pine basin]

The best players will try everything and teach the average players (me).

[blissful perch]

That’s bad design to use that as a crutch for learning the basics of gameplay

[pine basin]

I disagree. It’s impossible to have every bit of info in game. Every complex game I’ve played needed some kind of external documentation/info

[blissful perch]

If you want to guide people at the highest edges of complexity or gameplay, that’s to be expected - since devs are very rarely the best players. But the basic gameplay mechanics should never require a confused player to hunt around for someone else who explained it better than the devs did (either in a tutorial or via the actual gameplay)

[pine basin]

On that I agree with you

Ark should have a tutorial for the basics

[rancid harness]

I mean if you're stupid you're stupid amirite?

But yeah you can beat the bosses without muts
So I'd call mutation stacking an advanced mechanic meant for pvp and advanced players.

[pine basin]

It’s not just about intelligence. It’s more about how many hours you’re willing to dedicate to the game

Most info I got back in 2015 was from Ark testers or the hardcore players

[rancid harness]

Lol uh
If you don't have like 8 hours a day of free time, ark is the last game you should play.

[winged dome]

Most was actually from the Devs answering questions from players

They used to be super active and chatting all the time

[pine basin]

Sure, but the less hardcore people have wiki and YouTubers to help them and that’s fine

[blissful perch]

Some people are dumb and need to be handheld through everything. But if it’s the vast majority of players, the burden lies on the developers

[pine basin]

I mean, Wc should have made a tutorial indeed, but more complex stuff wouldn’t be covered

[winged dome]

Sure, but 90% of relevant info can be covered in a few basic tutorials.
How to Survive
How to KO tame
How to Build a base
How to Farm (crops)
How to Breed
How to Progress

Outside of gimmick tames, thats all a player really needs to know

[pine basin]

Like I’ve said above, it’s not about IQ, it’s more about dedication. I know people that like Ark, but don’t have more than 2 hours a day to play. The “local hosters” deserve respect 😂

[winged dome]

Heh, almost forgot, How to calculate base damage of a creature 😂

[pine basin]

Sure, agreed

[rancid harness]

Attack a parasaur, divide damage result based on percentage.

[winged dome]

The average player isn't really going to go outside those basic tutorials

[winged dome]

Joke based on previous conversation

[rancid harness]

🤘

[blissful perch]

Some of this doesn’t even need a tutorial. The new cinematics actually explain why to play ark (for PvE), and that’s HUGE

[winged dome]

New cinematics?

[blissful perch]

The Helena ones

[rancid harness]

Helena

[pine basin]

But if at any point they want to, there will be wiki and YouTube to help

[rancid harness]

Man hasn't played ark for 3 years

[blissful perch]

People playing 20 hours a day don’t learn this stuff either unless they read the wiki or talk to people who did. That’s the complaint. A very tiny percentage dedicate themselves to trial and error testing everything, and those few people build the wiki…that’s an extremely abnormal expectation for the playerbase at large

[rancid harness]

(kidding ofc)

[winged dome]

No, I have, do you mean the Helena-Deus ones? I thought they just cover story stuff

I don't remember anything tutorialy about them

[rancid harness]

They suggest what to do

[winged dome]

Oh

[rancid harness]

Hinting at the main goals

Definitely don't tell you how tho

[winged dome]

Gotcha

[pine basin]

I’ve already said above, hardcore players will teach people. They are feeding YouTube and wiki with info. Some are coding apps like dododex. And I think this amazing

[blissful perch]

That will always happen if the game is big and there’s stuff to do

Depending on them to teach players, and expecting players to rely on them for your game to function? It’s a failure in design. It’s like needing a guide to play 1-1 in mario

[pine basin]

That’s my point

[untold ingot]

Ark doesn't rely on the wiki to teach people how to play though

[rancid harness]

Uh

what?

Ok

[pine basin]

Yeah, I’ve also agreed with that. Ark needs a tutorial for the basics

[pine basin]

How did you know back in 2015 you needed a dodo kibble to tame a ptera with 100% efficiency?

[rancid harness]

Funny you should say that. I'm sure back when it came out, people actually did.

[pine basin]

Because this info is basic IMO

[rancid harness]

Imagine not comprehending the concept of "press A to jump"

[blissful perch]

Looking at general and bobs with probs, the wiki (loosely referring to “the community teaching itself how to play the game”) is extremely standard practice for ark, if not the default of you want to figure basics out

[rancid harness]

Now try jumping.

[blissful perch]

…a little controller icon describing what the buttons on a controller do is what was used

[pine basin]

It is and has always been the case

[rancid harness]

Ingame?

[blissful perch]

The player was then chucked into the game. This worked for simple arcade games and platformers, and it failed horribly for many many other games

[blissful perch]

Oftentimes yes. Or it was included in in the game’s (or console’s) manual

[rancid harness]

Ok because nes mario didn't have ingame tutorials lol

You're speaking generally, got it

[blissful perch]

Yea

Although I will never argue older games did this better lol

It’s a difficult task for any developer that scales with complexity

[rancid harness]

I'd argue that game devs don't have to anymore, what with the internet and all

Games like Ark actually create tighter and more involved communities when they leave it up to the players to discover, as a collective, how to advance through the game.

A lot of my long-lasting internet friends are from ark.

[winged dome]

I personally believe everything relevant to play/do well in a game should be learnable in-game. Ark does an ok job with this with the Rockwell recipe notes and most of the Helena creature dossiers

Sadly some are wrong, and more complex taming methords aren't covered

[blissful perch]

They don’t though. They do create a small and tight community of wiki builders and dodo dex folks. But the massive bulk of players simply use the wiki as a support tool, such that basic intuitive gameplay would have no impact on them or the community value ark provides

And the folks guiding the wiki will still have plenty to do - since again, the complexity isn’t going anywhere

[rancid harness]

The massive bulk of players search ark tips, watch youtubers, leave comments, ask questions, and are shown how to play.
All but the first one are actual community involvement that wouldn't happen unless the game was built as inaccessibly as it is xD

[blissful perch]

The bulk of who remains for the long haul, yes. Because they quickly discover the game fails to teach them

I’d far rather the community teach other advanced mechanics than the basics

[rancid harness]

Then we have different opinions! Woo!

[blissful perch]

Indeed. I like learning while playing, and find ark’s curve frustrating or downright useless without external materials. There’s much room to improve this for ASA

[tropic crag]

Oof, rough takes about the game having basic tutorials for mechanics previously unexplained, didn't have that on my #ark-2 bingo card