ark-2

[eternal wigeon]

Who cares about balance when we have to deal with hacks

[untold ingot]

Because hacks can be countered and beaten lol

I have never met an aimbotter I couldn't beat with heavies lol

[eternal wigeon]

I'm just joking/serious

Why would I care about balance of the game when I gotta deal with constant cheats

[untold ingot]

Because there are still places you can play without hacks.

Why do you think everyone plays unofficial?

[eternal wigeon]

Brrrroo
My friend placed a bat heavy in front of an aimbotter

He stood still in fur until it turned on and died....

[untold ingot]

The only really bad hacks are the ones that can turn off gens, popcorn gear, or make you godmode

The rest can be countered

[eternal wigeon]

Yh, sometimes it gets patched and smth new comes out

Aimbotting etc is normal game play 👍

[untold ingot]

It's annoying but not enough of a reason to disregard game balance

[eternal wigeon]

Cheating is very normalized

[untold ingot]

Yeah, it's a plague

[eternal wigeon]

Ik, I was joking
But like, I would prioritize the cheating over balance

If I had to deal with both and fix just 1 of them

[untold ingot]

They are handled by different people...

[eternal wigeon]

Does it matter?

Someone's in change or decision making and management

[untold ingot]

Yeah, but there is never a justifiable reason to only focus on one

[eternal wigeon]

True, very true
Just saying I'd prioritize the cheating issue

Cause it's just so bad

Games unplayable with cheats vs game unbalanc

[harsh spear]

i also hope they prevent any kind of ini change. i dont want to be forced to make my game look like trash to have that competitive advantage

[eternal wigeon]

I'd hope they optimize their game better then

[harsh spear]

well they just need to have the video settings be useful. changing stuff barely changes fps

[untold ingot]

Wait for lumen lol, it'll make things worse

[south lance]

depending on how easy mods are even creature balance can be completely changed in unofficials

a lot already prevent players from building in some places and ban some creatures from being used entirely

[untold ingot]

Yeah, but a game that depends on mods to balance items is pretty bad

[south lance]

ultimately if the players have fun it wont matter, but yeah official would be cancerous

[untold ingot]

I mean, maybe it's just me being 100% biased against adding stronger fliers lol

[south lance]

i dislike griffins being yet another creature that needs several hundred hours to bring from wild to combat viable

wildcard just loves the breeding system too much

wonder what portion of official pve would disappear if breeding took under 100 hours to get any desired form

[untold ingot]

Dunno, I have never seriously played official pve

[south lance]

i mean something similar might happen on pvp but im not sure

breeding takes way too long

[untold ingot]

Pvp would still exist. Breeding is not what keeps people playing there

[south lance]

yeah

but if breeding didnt take as long, things like trading for lines wouldnt be as big id imagine. And that seems to be somewhat significant

[untold ingot]

It would still be a thing lkl

[south lance]

being a thing doesnt mean its as big

[untold ingot]

You would be surprised how many pvpers are just completely incompetent and lazy

[south lance]

ig

[eternal wigeon]

This do be true

[tropic crag]

That's an anecdotal fallacy at best, and his preferred game mode of choice has no bearing on the understanding of what goes on in PvP

Again, that's just simply false to assume

[eternal wigeon]

Illegal RMT is rampant

[eternal wigeon]

U don't know man

People sell duped items and even cheats etc

[tropic crag]

No, really?

[eternal wigeon]

Idk if you're trying to be sarcastic but yes
Loads of RMT and selling

[tropic crag]

It was obviously sarcastic

[eternal wigeon]

Recently tho maybe not as bad cause dead gane etc

Like personally I wouldn't care about rmt

But when it involves duped items or selling cheat services
Fk all that

[tropic crag]

Ah, ok, so you're one of those lol

[eternal wigeon]

I'd imagine it's not that good tho

I heard prices drop long ago
Cause more dupe loot in economy etc

[tropic crag]

"Trust me, it's worth it guys!!!11!!"

[stray elm]

Hang on, I got a phone call to make

[tropic crag]

GG promoting illegal practices in the official discord, guy

Also circumventing ban lmao, GG

You're speaking excessively highly of it and said it's worth it????

[eternal wigeon]

I mean yh, many people find it worth cheating etc cause devs can't stop any of it..

[tropic crag]

Good riddance

[stray elm]

[tropic crag]

Cheats and cheaters make me feel icky

[blissful perch]

Tbh might even be a net positive so the PvE servers aren’t cluttered with breeding setups lol

[south lance]

lol fair

imagine mutation rates increased to 25 or 33%

[winged dome]

Imagine mutation caps actually working 😂

[compact barn]

do you guys think a 1650 with 32 gb ram and i5 10500h will be able to run ark 2?

what are your guys' thoughts on the system requirements? i cant find a reliable source for them but the only one that seems semi reliable is system requirements lab, anyone know if its reliable? thanks in advance

heres the system requirements i found according to systemrequirementslab

CPU: Intel Core i5-7600/AMD Ryzen 5 1600 or better.
RAM: 8 GB.
VIDEO CARD: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 /AMD Radeon R9 270 or better.
DEDICATED VIDEO RAM: 2048 MB.
PIXEL SHADER: 5.1.
VERTEX SHADER: 5.1.
OS: Windows 10 (64-bit)

[sage kernel]

I really don’t think 8gb of ram and a 960 will be able to run Ark 2, but for your 1650, it’s hard to say.

[compact barn]

yeah i cant afford a new pc im broke and i really want to be able to run it

i dont even know if ill be able to afford it with all the inflation you know

[sage kernel]

The game has always been wrong with requirements I really wouldn’t say any card is optimized other than a Titan X

You might have a chance but the cards become obsolete.

[compact barn]

Titan X? so im f**ked is what youre saying

no way the game will be that good looking / unoptimized, truly tragic for me

[compact barn]

so you really think that my pc doesnt have a chance? titan x is $700 bro 😭

[sage kernel]

I’d say it has a change tbh, the reason why it’s expensive is cuz they don’t make them anymore, again the card is a 2015 card.

[lime forge]

I mean you have over a year to put something together for an upgrade if necessary

[sage kernel]

chance*

The cards are just gonna get more expensive tho.

[compact barn]

i cant even work, i have no money, this isnt looking good

i can legally work but nobody wants to hire me

[sage kernel]

why is that

[lime forge]

Young with no prior experience?

[compact barn]

yep

[lime forge]

Just gotta keep applying

[compact barn]

most places dont even email me back

quite sad

[sage kernel]

well idk man that 1650 is gonna struggle like it might be unplayable since the game is transferring to UE5

[lime forge]

What I did was look for jobs that listed “will train” and always had ads out.

These are the typically the worst places to work and have a high turnover rate

[compact barn]

i just upgraded from a 1050 ti like not even a month ago and im already running into trouble with my 1650

[lime forge]

Good chance of getting hired

[sage kernel]

I’m gonna be honest, you downgraded

[compact barn]

i wish i had daddy's money or smth

[compact barn]

naw, everything runs better

[sage kernel]

yeah but it isn’t as optimized. my 1050ti was the best card I had before moving to a 3060.

I had a 1650 but it was horrible compared to my 1050.

[compact barn]

i have my old gaming laptop and this pc maybe i could sell / trade these 2 for an upgrade? idk

[compact barn]

damn not for me

[sage kernel]

I would’ve tried to saved up for at least a 1660 super.

[compact barn]

1650 is heaven for me but its already lacking in terms of running new games

[sage kernel]

I just would’ve stuck with the 1050 til at least a 1660 super. It raises your chances by a lot of running ark 2.

[compact barn]

ok

[sage kernel]

Ark 2’s requirements aren’t true, they’re a copy and paste of ark’s original requirements

[compact barn]

oh gotcha

thank you

[latent mauve]

Can anyone help me on smalls???

[mellow coyote]

when ark 2 coming ou?

[tall stag]

it hasnt been announced

[tough flame]

end of 2024

[wooden forge]

Which probably means end of 2026

[blissful perch]

Tbh best to say “when it comes out”

[warped oak]

it’s confirmed ark 2 will come out in 2033

[tropic crag]

That stuff was funny the first like... 5 times. Now it's just kinda boring and overused

[lime forge]

Nah. It’ll be delayed.

[serene onyx]

It wasn’t tf, end of 2024 most likely into 2025

[warped oak]

@serene onyx it actually just got completely canceled

[serene onyx]

Not surprised tbh

[bitter lava]

ong

[fallow niche]

Wasn't canceled

[serene onyx]

Dont worry we were only joking

[sudden axle]

Is survival ascended going to available for pre order for playstation?

[serene onyx]

No

[fallow niche]

We have not heard anything regarding pre-orders.
https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/articles.html/community-crunch-368-asa-roadmap-update-asa-comparison-and-more-r2126/

[stray elm]

We don't even know if it'll have pre-orders

[sudden axle]

Are they going to keep the playstation official open so we can at least play something?

[fallow niche]

I'm aware that you were joking, others may not be.

[serene onyx]

That makes sense lol

[fallow niche]

No, all official servers for Ark Survival Evolved will be shut down.

[stray elm]

No

[serene onyx]

You will still have unofficial and sp

[sudden axle]

So is playstation going to be out of the Ark player base?

[serene onyx]

What?

[fallow niche]

Again, only official servers will be shut down. You will have access to singleplayer and unofficial.

[sudden axle]

I get that. But I just want to know if playstation will have access to the new version of ark when it does go live

Because I remember a while back it was announced that Ark was going xbox exclusive

[fallow niche]

Playstation 5 will, yes. Ark Survival Ascended will be available for PC, Xbox Series X/S, and PS5.

[fallow niche]

Only Ark 2 will be PC/Microsoft exclusive.

[stray elm]

That was ARK-2

[sudden axle]

Okay, thank you. Sorry if I seemed difficult

[fluid lark]

Where could I go to find updates for ark-2?

[fallow niche]

The pins here are updated whenever they post anything in #766826918803800074 or #announcements.

[tropic forge]

gotta love ppl making creatures even more for ab map 🤣

[tropic crag]

Whe

[winged dome]

-n Ark2???

[lime forge]

Aww. You guys are finishing each others sentences!

[rocky wren]

question about ark ascended what graphics card do i need

[stray elm]

We don't know, but you'll probably be fine if you can run ARK on medium graphics or higher with stable frames.

[rocky wren]

k

ty

[stray elm]

👍

[mint swan]

What's the betting ark 2 is over run with cheaters first week? I'd bet my life savings on it

[astral token]

Thanks for your life savings 😌

Overrun means a majority i.e. more than 50% of the players are cheaters

While there will be many cheaters, the number of normal people playing will be far greater

[blissful perch]

It takes a second to get cheats usually. Exploits tho? Expect em

Is every ark 1 story DLC also terrible? Curious

[frosty orbit]

You never know

Cyberpunk was released too early and was terrible but now, Cyberpunk is a really good game

Give time to Ark 2 and Ase, stop being so impatient and when you will see the final product, you will be happy that they succeed

[unreal kelp]

I would like that payable in small unmarked bills please

[split dove]

ark players are basicly as broke as you can find besides microtransaction payers, whenever they can't buy something they will keep asking random people to get it for them sometimes

[unreal kelp]

Amen to that, can’t count the number of times I’ve seen players come online and say “can someone give me, X”

[verbal wind]

its impossible to stop all cheating

[cobalt galleon]

when was the last thing that was said about this game? i havent heard much lately

[winged dome]

If only there was like a Pinned section or something that had all the updates and info in one spot

[eternal wigeon]

Suppose to release late 2024?
X to doubt

[mighty lion]

Define cheaters

[unkempt shoal]

wonder when will they give acces to ps4 players and pc in diff countries

[split dove]

Ark 2 and Ark Ascended will never be on PS4 and Xbox one (i think was the previous Gen) Ark 2 will only be a timed exclusive period, so it will come to PS5 a bit after launch for PC and Xbox series s/x

[tropic crag]

We don't know the timed exclusive thing for certain, do we?

I was under the impression that, as far as we knew, it was 100% exclusive thus far

[winged dome]

Assumed timed exclusive, not confirmed

[blissful perch]

My guess is that the exclusivity is limited…or it’s a continuous payment. Otherwise it’s not financially viable to just lose a playerbase

[stray elm]

Could it also not be possible for ARK-2 to just be called a 'timed exclusive' due to the fact Sony has a short 1-2 years for an Early-Access game to be on their platform before being taken off. While Xbox has a 4-year plan for their Early-Access titles?

I believe it was December of 2016 that ARK-1 came out on the PlayStation. Which would be less then a year before official launch.

[unkempt shoal]

man why some games arent in ps4 like alot of people have it atleast put some good games

[stray elm]

...what?

[winged dome]

I mean, PS4 is outdated hardware. Why intentionally limit the capability of a game to cater to old tech? - If you mean PS5, then talk to Sony, they hate Early Access games for some reason

[stray elm]

Well yeah, PS4 is considered last-gen, and ASA and ARK-2 aren't coming out for last-gen.

But I believe they confirmed ASA will be on PS5, due to the only year long Early-Access I believe.

[unkempt shoal]

man i hate ps5 ps4 is always in my heart : )

[tropic crag]

Gamepass is a continuous payment, so... that checks out tbh

[blissful perch]

I’m gonna guess gamepass < PS5 playerbase but that’s just a guess

[tropic crag]

PS is the smallest playerbase of the "normal" or most widely viewed as acceptable version of the game, and the way the Gamepass revenue split works is pretty favorable to most devs from what I've heard (of course, depending on game quality and performance in the way of downloads and daily players, pay is split between all the games on the service). That said, not every xbox owner has gamepass (yet), but even aside from that the Xbox playerbase is and was the largest of the three regardless

[short fulcrum]

I wonder if ASA will eventually come to mobile and nintendo's next console

[tropic forge]

at the rate its going you should be wondering if ASA comes out this year at all

[tropic crag]

Old joke is old

[lime forge]

Definitely an issue with judgement somewhere in WC HQ

[frosty herald]

Can someone tell me if ark 2 gonna have official servers?

[blissful perch]

Yes

[winged dome]

Gotta have somewhere for the minority of players to feel justified 😂

[untold ingot]

I mean the alternative is hiding here ridiculing people

[jolly heron]

The only thing I wish they would do is make it so you can move over your builds from ASE to ASA

[untold ingot]

I mean, the size and shape of a lot of base structures are changing, so that wouldn't be possible

[winged dome]

With the building improvements ^

Plus no other data will be transferrable between games, why would they allow builds to be?

Though, I wonder if it would be possible to blueprint a build in Single player or something and import it to a server to share/build - obviously it would require materials and such, but that way you can template out quick builds

I forget if that's an ASA feature, or an Ark2 feature

[untold ingot]

That is in the works for ark2, they haven't said it for asa

[jolly heron]

I mean there will be mods maybe someone should make a mod to transfer/change the data to make it compatible. There are tools like that for minecraft actually.

[winged dome]

With mods, it might be possible but I wouldn't count on it

Especially with snap point improvements. A lot of technical builds use unintended snap points, so if they're fixed/removed from Asc then the build won't be able to be copied over exactly

[untold ingot]

I highly doubt that will be possible, especially for builds

[blissful perch]

Biggest issue is a lot of the structure sizes are being changed. It’ll probably break most ASE builds instantly

[unreal kelp]

It’s a different engine, it’s not possible to make it compatible which is why they are going to stop official servers for ASE when ASA goes live

[pine basin]

I think they are aiming to make ASA an Ark 2 preview (regarding features). So would make sense to have the new blueprint system coming for ASA. But yeah, there’s no official confirmation of that

[winged dome]

Could be a possible feature roll out with upcoming content/DLC

[pine basin]

Yeah, that’s possible. But I think it would be wiser (my opinion of course) to keep both games as similar as possible (regarding features, assets, engine etc). If their real intention is to keep both updated and running.

[tropic forge]

sorry to tell you but that aint what they are doing it, just read ark 2 features on steam page to see how much different they are

[south lance]

asa is just the team justifying practice with ue5 as a remaster

[winged dome]

Could be part of it, but don't forget how much the community was asking for more Ark1 after seeing some of the drastic Ark2 changes (3rd person only, no Tek, ect)

But either way, I'm excited to see the changes, new features, and new capabilities with a better engine

[winged dome]

Surprised that wasn't auto-blocked

@fair sun ^

[fair sun]

ty

[winged dome]

o7

[blissful perch]

The goal I believe is to have parallel products for ASA and ark 2 but to basically have them appeal to separate playstyles and types of player

[pine basin]

Yeah, that’s my assessment too. By features I mean things like buildings blueprints or the models of the creatures (the sabertooth should look the same on both, but with some adjustments to the gameplay).

[winged dome]

Saber is confirmed to have an updated model in Ark2, looks nothing like Ark1's

[pine basin]

Sure, but I expect all the models will be updated for ASA

So, why not making them the same (3D model) for both games? Just changing some parameters to work better for the different gameplays

[winged dome]

Probably - I'm expecting the Ark2 creature roster to be slimmed down, at least for real world creatures and have more xenofauna instead. Some of the Earth creatures will likely have roles/abilities combined with similar enough creatures to trim the roster bloat

For example, Ark2 Saber might have Saber and Thyla abilities

Anky could do get Stone or Metal/ Flint on a toggle, and we drop Doed entirely, ect

[split dove]

do we really want the ark 1 ''creature x clone but with y model and different sound'' in Ark 2 again tho? bc i sure don't want 50 creatures doing the exact same thing with the only difference being the model, sound and sometimes a extra third attack if you're lucky

[untold ingot]

I tend to agree on that. I would like every Dino to be as unique as the recent ones

[tropic forge]

the recent ones are over op whit abilities from pay dlcs combine in a single creature almost making every creature before obsolete, guess new is the best next thing

[winged dome]

Seeing as almost every DLC has done similar to shake up the meta, that sounds pretty par for the course

[eternal wigeon]

Yeh I wish they did more dino/map tlcs or balancing

[verbal wind]

carch makes giga useless in most cases

[mellow coyote]

when does ark 2 come out

[eternal wigeon]

Late 2024 apparently

[mellow coyote]

alr ty

[uneven nimbus]

im hyped for ark ascended is coming out in october 2023

[mint swan]

how much is ark ascended gonna be?

[worldly garden]

$40

Initially, then $45 later

[mint swan]

is it the same price if i have xbox gamepass?

[worldly garden]

They haven't said it will be on gamepass.

[mint swan]

cuz for ark 1 i got all expansions for basically free

wait it will be on xbox tho right?

[worldly garden]

Well $40 is for everything.

On Xbox series S/X yes, but not Xbox One

[mint swan]

oh ok

thx

[crude sedge]

For what it 40?

[worldly garden]

40 is for ASA which includes base game and all DLCs.

[crude sedge]

Oo, thanks

[tropic forge]

better correct that before that spreads around whit wrong info

[winged dome]

Whats wrong with it?

[pine basin]

But that’s exactly what wildcard posted on their CC

[chrome lodge]

Can someone explain me how the voting system work please

[winged dome]

Its a tier list. Creature you want most at the top, least at the bottom

[chrome lodge]

Thanks you but when is the least creature of the 10 disqualified ?

[winged dome]

Theres only the final result at the end of the voting. No rounds or anything - this is it for the Aberration creature

[chrome lodge]

Oh ok thanks

[thick tulip]

putting unwanted dinos at the bottom of the list is just as important as putting favorites at the top

[mint swan]

exactly

[thick tulip]

ive seen way too many people on my server say "favorite dinos first, then the rest" lol then gigantoraptor happens

[tropic forge]

so the new dlc is also incluided on that price???

[stray elm]

GP forgor to say all 'legacy' dlcs.

[pine basin]

Oh, right, I forgot about the new dlc.

[leaden lion]

Yeah I think people voted the giant turkey out of spite or something

[untold ingot]

no

[untold ingot]

It was actually the funniest thing lol

[split dove]

How to vote correctly:

1. Look at the creatures
2. Place them in the order you want based on what they look like as the abilities can and will be changed by Wildcard if they think it's too over the top or powerful
3. submit the list
4. cry that something you don't want won the vote bc you just put your favorite 1st and least favorite last while not changing the others /j

[leaden lion]

Sounds accurate, especially that last step

I mean i did cry about giganto being added but I did order everything not just my favorite and least favorite

[chrome lodge]

Where can we see the older winner of the vote please

[worldly garden]

You mean the Gigantoraptor?

[rancid harness]

Really hoping for that spotlight owl for ab

[chrome lodge]

Yes please

[worldly garden]

So far they've only revealed the concept art. https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/articles.html/community-crunch-369-gigantoraptor-concept-creature-submissions-and-more-r2129/

[tropic crag]

It's definitely a contender for me, but spiders kinda take the cake, I've had and raised arachnids all my life and invertebrates in general are my weakness

[winged dome]

Yi looks fun, but I'm a sucker for small raptor-ish creatures

[tribal chasm]

I hope in Ark 2 or ASA they can try to remove some anti-cheat mechanics which heavily affect gameplay:

1. Character loss
2. Crashing and 5 minute wait to relogin (character stayed logged in for 5 mins) whilst character gets killed/dies
3. 3 second delay on Transfer all is really, really user unfriendly

[untold ingot]

Well, points 1 and 2 aren't actually anti cheat things. Just really bad server file transfers lol

[tropic forge]

point 2 its funny cause you can kill the character even on pve by drowning dosent matter if log out 5min or 5 days but i think i know what is trying to say

[tribal chasm]

Both are -- at least number 2 is, I think it was genie who said something like 'if the 5 minute login thing didn't exist', something anti-dupe mechanic.
Number 1 in many ways is anti dupe as well, partially why they don't restore characters/engrams. I am confident the new system will help prevent character loss in ASA, it would be the most disappointing thing otherwise

[untold ingot]

I mean, that is because their file transfer system is really bad

They could make an anti dupe file transfer method very easily, but they way the originally build character files forces them to do it a bad way. So hopefully they fix that for next time

[stray elm]

Who wanna bet they're still using C++?

From the little I know, I believe most of the industry has moved to C# by this point.

[eternal wigeon]

They been using C++ for Ark1 at least so idk

[stray elm]

I know they use a blend of whatever language they use, and blueprints. As a lot of their more simpler stuff like guns are blueprint-based.

[untold ingot]

I haven't used c# that much, why would they move to that instead of staying with c++

I know unity uses c#, but off the top of my head I can't think of any advantages c# has ocer c++

[stray elm]

From what I heard, C# is just a lot more easier and more versatile to use.
Could be false, but a programmer I was watching said they worked for Microsoft, and said 'majority of the things we code with is C# anymore.'

[untold ingot]

That's like apple saying they code everything in swift. It doesn't mean it's better

As for the versatility of c# over c++ the only thing I can think of is maybe using .net libraries? But ue5 is still written in c++ so they probably don't even need those

[stray elm]

Fair enough.

Isn't Epic-Games also making their own language?

[untold ingot]

Yeah, but I don't know it's scope as of yet

[stray elm]

Hopefully it's more powerful then C++. Cause coding-language advancement got me excited.

I always knew that coding-languages where hella important for advancing softwares/hardwares, but now that I'm learning Java, it's exciting.

[untold ingot]

I doubt it'll be more powerful. Maybe easier

As far as I am aware, to date c++ is still the most powerful and fastest language around. Python comes close but only when it uses c++ libraries lol

It has great versatility, but sometimes languages need more specialization to excel in certain areas

[stray elm]

Would binary technically be the most powerful language, if you knew how to use it?

[untold ingot]

Binary isn't a language though

[stray elm]

Coding, I mean

[untold ingot]

Well, yes and no.

Yes because you could theoretically code something to be the absolute fastest you could want it to be, but no because most systems use different binary and rely on differing versions of assembly to work

Imagine a program not working on your pc just because you have a different hard drive than the coder did

Plus oop is so incredibly important for modular coding like programs and games require, that it really isn't even practical to think about doing it any other way

[stray elm]

I see

[tropic crag]

I remember reading a thread somewhere, where the person had literally homebrewed a fix for character loss and transfer issues for his cluster in a matter of days or weeks just by learning how to code 😂

That's to say, most of the dupe and character loss issues really aren't all that hard to fix, just hard to implement for WC (a lot of the problems were dupe prevention related, and he undid some things that would mean people could technically dupe easier on his cluster, but just made it a rule to not dupe and actually enforced it like unofficials tend to do)

[untold ingot]

I mean, it's pretty easy with some basic bash scripts. I have one I did for my own personal cluster I hosted locally

I did spend a lot of time on it, and made it pretty robust. But it wouldn't work on a large scale

[tropic crag]

Yeah, that sounds about like what I had read

[untold ingot]

There are ways to do it on a large scale without duping.

See the banking system lol

Imagine if there was duping in banking transactions

Like they can't fix every problem, but they sure have a lot they can do better

[marble vale]

Bro ark 2 cost like 700 bucks

[lime forge]

That’s cause it’s gonna be really really good

[split dove]

700 rupees? goddam thats expensive

[blissful perch]

$700 gets you the deluxe package, where WC tells you directly that they can’t in fact cheat on your behalf

[rancid harness]

Add an extra $50 for a dedicated agent to review your reports and do nothing about them

[tropic forge]

thats already a free feature

[rancid harness]

TRUUUUUUUUE
Certified Gamer Moment right here

[chrome lodge]

When you submit your vote for the creature on aberration its registered but you can change it right ?

[tropic crag]

No, once you vote, that's it, no take backsies

[split dove]

so you better vote the correct way

[charred swallow]

Wildcard selling so hard

[harsh spear]

is there no voting for the creature now ? im confused because all they posted is the individual links for top 10 creatures.

[eternal wigeon]

There is voting...
Latest announcement at the end of the lost of dinos named has in blue letters BOLD
sumbjt your vote

[worldly garden]

There is voting, the link was just left off by mistake, but it is there now. Also it was posted in #announcements on Monday too.

[modern abyss]

I’m Greg

[chrome lodge]

Is the physique of the game gonna change in asa ( water and dino's feathers) ?

[lime forge]

Do you mean the physics?

[split dove]

leave my demonic anky ragdols alone

[chrome lodge]

Yes

[worldly garden]

Yes, it will be fluid.

[chrome lodge]

Ok thanks

[sonic elbow]

ARK 2, 25 cent pre-order now

[eternal wigeon]

Ain't worth the offer
They needa pay me to play Ark

[wide bloom]

Ark 2 date 2024?

[winged dome]

Late 2024 for PC and Xbox, no date for Playstation

[lucid radish]

why is there no channel for ark ascended?

[winged dome]

Teeeeeechnically we should be using General, but I refuse to yield

Plus the Mods don't particularly care that we use Ark2 - for now

[tropic crag]

I thought we're supposed to be using just #ark-survival-ascended for it, but yeah tbh this channel fits better in terms of content and also #ark-survival-ascended is a bit closer to general and therefore more of a cesspool than here, near the bottom of the channel list 🤣

Come to think of it, #ark-survival-ascended is just general 2 pretty much

[eternal wigeon]

Think they do plan on one later
But yh idk why not sooner

[winged dome]

I don't think there will be a dedicated Ark Ascended channel. It'll be covered by #ark-survival-ascended once its released anyway

[untold ingot]

Imagine what people would say in an Asa only chat though

[winged dome]

I'd imagine it's a lot like this one.
'When ASA?'
'Why 3rd person?'
'Available on Playstation?'
'Is it single player/story game?'

[blissful perch]

It’s sad how dull it’s become

[lime forge]

You forgot to mention the fireballs

[mint swan]

what do you mean

[wary fiber]

Guys , when ASA launches , it will cost 59,99€ with 2 dlcs included and then later other maps will be launched but the ones who paid the 59,99€ will have those next dlcs ( like scorched on december) but then later we will have to pay again for Ark 2 ?

[eternal wigeon]

Nope
ASA will be 40$ including all Dlcs

Price deals been changed many times

[thin sage]

Do i have to buy ark 2 either after buying asa?

[eternal wigeon]

If they ever release ark2
Yes, you'd have to buy it
It's a separate game

[wary fiber]

@eternal wigeon okey

[tribal chasm]

Reduce fog amount in ASA for Island please, just had fog 3x in one ingame day (start of day, midday, and at near end of day again)

[blissful perch]

We just need headlamps to piece fog

🧠

[split dove]

give the miners helmet an actual good use

🧠

[tropic forge]

talking about weather how about making lightning a real threat and actually hit players that use metal armor while flying, open areas and time to time hit the ocean parts too

[split dove]

i'd be down for that

[south lance]

rng ohko would not be fun

we already have the occasional crash

[chrome lodge]

And with the lighting a storm that make a swirl in the ocean

[acoustic radish]

Could add a Lightning Rod to prevent your base from getting destroyed too

[tropic forge]

even go further and had energy banks to store power

[marble vale]

👎

[wary fiber]

Will there be crossplay when ASA is out?

[worldly garden]

Yes

[timber orchid]

yes

[last storm]

Yes

[willow veldt]

Will it be available on mobile ios?

[untold ingot]

no

[willow veldt]

Will ark: survival evolved still be available after ark 2 is released?

[fallow niche]

Singleplayer and unofficial, yes.

[thin jungle]

Hiuii

Ark survival evolved has to be still available because that is the best game I played besides the borderline thing

Where you can't go far from the host

[tropic forge]

ark: craziness evolve, that should be this tab name

[untold ingot]

That's why they are making Asa...

[thin jungle]

@untold ingot what?

[tropic forge]

🤯

[trail kiln]

Is the game out yet?

[worldly garden]

ARK 2 isn't coming out until end of 2024 at the earliest.

[thick tulip]

i hope the AI updates will include pack/herd/flock/swarm mechanics...

pathing aside, i mean like movement patterns and feeding animations or some such

like they promised wild babies, i just wanna see stuff like a herd of trikes making a "horn wall" to defend against a hungry rex...then the rex de-aggro once he feeds. ya know, actual AI updates lol

[tropic forge]

youre hoping way too much for a remaster/remake early access ASA

[astral token]

[thick tulip]

so i take it you guys are expecting a 1:1 re-release of ASE lol

i get that on early access the game will be a little bare-bones, i'm just hoping for final product AI to be something worth prefacing so long ago

[winged dome]

Thats ... basically what ASA is

[thick tulip]

why even bring up "better" AI if theres nothing better about it

re-release =/= remaster

just a hope though lol i dont expect anything that goes on here to be added in game

[winged dome]

Not even going to entertain that arguement for the 100th time

[thick tulip]

for better AI?

[winged dome]

Re-release vs Remaster vs whatever the hell else people want to call it

[thick tulip]

ah lol who cares about the definition of remaster of whatever, i just want better AI XD

[winged dome]

All we really know that is confirmed to be updated on the AI front is better pathfinding - everything else is just speculation and hopes

I doubt much else will change

[thick tulip]

agreed, i just hope itll be better...

[winged dome]

Ark2 seems to suggest better AI, but we'll see

[thick tulip]

i feel like theyre close to something more realistic (we all know they dont care about 'realistic', js) with pack bonuses, mate boosts, aggro range, and fight/flight base AI

for us with a million hrs of playtime, sometimes its just the moving world of 'living' dinos acting like dinos that makes the game worth logging in for the billionth time lol

[tropic forge]

uff that statement true words, shame im the only person alive that never see dinos acting like dinos 🤣

[thick tulip]

lol thats my point...i hope the new AI will make them act like animals in the wild

like when a procoptodon starts doing the treadmill on a rock (pathing) that is the best way to kill immersion XD

[blissful perch]

Imo that’s an ark 2 hope - for ASA there’s likely too many creatures and too much ASE clutter to invest into an in-depth exploration of realistic AI (as opposed to improvements to existing behaviors like following or attacking)

ASA would be (to me) a win if it was able to address the big sticking points of ASE while still being basically ASE

[thick tulip]

sounds fair, considering timeline. i just want it to be implemented at some point lol def not holding my breath on a passing idea...least of all one voiced on discord XD ✌️

[blissful perch]

I’ve been there…I’ve suggested some hard copes here lol

[desert swallow]

Have you actually ever seen a real Procoptodon. How do you know they didn't do this?

[thick tulip]

lol they probably did, procoptodon couldnt jump...

[desert swallow]

I think I"ve seen that movie

[thick tulip]

?

there's a movie about procoptodons not jumping?

[desert swallow]

Procoptodon can't jump

White men can't jump

[thick tulip]

yeah my wife just had to explain it to me...🤣

over here failing XD

[desert swallow]

They are smart. I've got one too

[mint swan]

@regal marten

[jaunty pewter]

when is the release date rn

heard it got pushed to 2025

[tropic forge]

TBA

[winged dome]

Late 2024

[wind swift]

yep, "end of 2024", it was delayed many times / for many years already. i call vaporware at this point

[blissful perch]

I wonder if we don’t chat here so the “release when” question is always at the bottom…does that actually help people the fastest 🧐

[tropic crag]

No, we've already seen that, true to form, Ark chatters can't even lift their sight a mere comment higher than their own and read the exact detailed obvious answer to the same question that they're asking

It's just impossible for them

[willow veldt]

What will be released first ark 2 or call of duty 6 🤣

[minor thicket]

😆😆😆😆

[icy vale]

Lol

[winged dome]

Seeing as theres been like 30 Call of Dutys now, I think 6 was released a while ago 😂

[tropic crag]

Right? Someone out here living in 2009 🤣

[frosty quarry]

What’s an ark 2?

[frosty quarry]

ASA probably towards the end of this year then they will probably stick with that for atleast 2 yrs then ark2 probably around 2026-2027

[blissful perch]

I’m gonna offer a new discussion take for the first time in a century - what’re thoughts on imprinting being done once at hatch and after that only to ADULT tames? Then changing raising to be an extremely minimal process that can take place while you’re fully offline? I’m a bit worried about just making raising super fast, but I want to give players the chance to let afk raising take place while also not missing the chance to get imprint bonuses

If we want numbers, you’d hit E to claim -> do ONE imprint to get say 10% -> do the remainder of the imprints with an adult tame

[thick tulip]

i had a similar idea that involved maintaining an affinity stat in place of imprinting stat and would work the same way but that would be irritating lol

[thick tulip]

its def a good idea though, imprinting system is irritating too lol

[blissful perch]

One the difference is that unlike affinity the model proposed is permanent. Agree maintaining affinity is a chore that ultimately reduces tame diversity rather than (the goal) of increasing diversity

[eternal wigeon]

Are u saying u can keep imprinting when fully raised?
Cause then it's just op, all raised tames will be 100% imprint buffed

Making things way ezier and noob friendly should be an unofficial setting

[blissful perch]

The idea is that if you do NOTHING, you can then imprint up to about 90%. If you do the baby imprint and then do the adult imprints, you get 100%

[eternal wigeon]

Still busted

[blissful perch]

With cryopods it’s pretty much the standard to have 100% for everyone but bobs is my understanding

[thick tulip]

truth

[eternal wigeon]

Well no
In pvp for example, people can raise mass dinos meant for suicide
Like 100+ un imprinted cause it's to annoying

So ur saying ud make that even more busted

[blissful perch]

It would still take the same number of imprints (and probably time) to complete

It just wouldn’t be locked once adulthood was reached (except for the 10%)

So an adult tame raised lazy could cap at 90% after someone went through the effort of completing however many imprints on the adult

[eternal wigeon]

I like quality of life updates but certain things I'd leave to unofficial servers to choose what they wanna implement

This game is currently unbalanced as is anyways

[thick tulip]

ASA rebalance would be nice

[eternal wigeon]

More tlc on older disks etc yh I guess

Newer dinos always busted and nerfed

[blissful perch]

The idea is to drop the active time needed to raise a baby so…more people can actually play official

[eternal wigeon]

If we're talking Offical PVE sure

PvP is different

People have alrdy mentioned PVE and PVP Officals should be slightly different but WC to lazy

[blissful perch]

They COULD go hard on this

Season Wipe PvP and not PvE for example

Since they already split them (see tuso and flier carry)

[eternal wigeon]

They have arkpoc or classic for offical wipes

And some people do like no wipe pvp

Both are popular

[blissful perch]

“Popular” by what metric? I see lots of dead PvP official servers 3-4 months after every DLC since extinction

And ofc arkpoc falls off hard in 2 weeks iirc

[thick tulip]

even the populated ones are just ppl who log in just bc they logged in yesterday lol

[eternal wigeon]

I don't have stats on me
And yh offical pvp clusters always been dying

I'm just stating ik pvp player who like no wipes
And many like wipes

But offical already has a cluster for wipes like arkpoc and classic etc

[blissful perch]

I just want to know what actually works for PvP. Is it solved? I’m skeptical is all

[eternal wigeon]

I mean the worst part of the pvp is cheating alone

Then, and only then, do u move onto the game pvp balance and exploits

Cause cheating is so bad, it should be a priority

[thick tulip]

"server generated" events seems like itll put ppl on an even field, since the environment will be targeting everyone

or was that just for Ark2?

[eternal wigeon]

Sounds like ARK2, if you mean smth like AI NPC humans fighting you

[blissful perch]

Yea that’s ark 2. The world events anyway

[thick tulip]

✌️

[eternal wigeon]

Ark 1 does have other kind of events

[blissful perch]

ASA should appease the current PvP population, but I see ark 2 as a strong place to branch out and try to actually resolve “what makes PvP work best in the ark genre”

Step 1 imo is reducing some of the frankly offense timers and time wasting active grinds that are tear jerkingly dull

[eternal wigeon]

Don't know if it means much
But I've heard pvp players hate 3rd person only or soul like combat

Not liking changes to a game they've alrdy played and learned

[blissful perch]

Current ark 1 PvP players -> they have ASA tho

If they hate change, WC listened and granted their wish imo

[eternal wigeon]

True, like waiting timers
Have it like 5min instead of 15

[blissful perch]

How about 30-60 minutes instead of 24hrs for a mating cooldown?

[thick tulip]

manageable

[eternal wigeon]

Or even better have oviraptor tlc boost mating idk

[blissful perch]

Less controversial but reducing taming time down but increasing the skill needed to tame something is also in this vein

Unknown if oviraptor is in ark 2 sadly so we can’t depend on that

[eternal wigeon]

Was talking in general as an idea

[eternal wigeon]

They kinds been doing that with recently newer dinos no? Diff unique Taming ways

[blissful perch]

Yes, which is why I want it to be the standard for ark 2

I ofc also need these methods to not be completely miserable

[eternal wigeon]

It's assumed AI and mechanics will have more complexity

ARK 1 unironixally can be complex alrdy

Knowing all the knowledge of game

[blissful perch]

And (imo reasonably critically) the methods need to incentivize fun rather than lame nonsense. For example, there’s 0 reason to not use a sign trap for an amarga because doing the tame “as intended” gets you a worse result, because damage = lost tame levels

Why have a tame oriented around combat, but punish players for getting the tame into combat

[blissful perch]

Imo complexity is only valuable if it adds to the gameplay. It’s not valuable in ark’s case most of the time to learn niche interactions and bugs/hidden mechanics that could and should be intuitive without the need for external websites or guides

[eternal wigeon]

What, would u recommend u could heal it so its effectiveness stays up I guess

[blissful perch]

Simply decouple effectiveness from damage. Unless it comes from you the player

If it dies, you lost the tame. If you hurt it, it’s your fault. Don’t see a need to punish people for having it fight stuff as the tame intended

[eternal wigeon]

Yh I'd agree generally
But I don't think WC or many care when they got bigger issues to care about 💀

They don't do much game balancing unless it's something obviously broken

Smth small doesn't matter to refine

Luxury for ark game designers to care about small balance things and gameplay

When they struggling alrdy

Wish it wasn't the case ofc

[blissful perch]

I mean the issue imo is that there’s no wipes to do balance

If you wipe, you can address some silly percent of balance issue because you can shut the servers down, ensure all of item X that’s been balanced is correct, then get people back to the game without worrying about their progress

But it would be stupid if I didn’t mention for the Xth time that it’s still true…that fixing cheating is required to start this conversation (although with less progress at stake…it may be attempted less)

[split dove]

oh shifter, you should already know ark players can never be appeased or be made happy with things they asked for themselves

[amber kayak]

when is offical sever wipe ?

[kind wren]

sometime in october is what i heard

it was extended

[amber kayak]

@kind wren thats cause google has conflicted info about it some say aug some say oct some say next year

[eternal wigeon]

September 30th is the current date

[eternal wigeon]

August was the old set date
Then a delay happened

[blissful perch]

About 3 hrs is all I could do @split dove Now it’s back to dates 🙃

[winged dome]

🫡 Honorable and respectable effort

[tropic crag]

There's official servers for Ark 2? How'd you even get ahold of a copy? I thought the game was "vaporware" as many say...

[lusty light]

für 3 offizielle Server

[noble epoch]

given that they are shutting down servers imo they should give people who bought og ark a discount on ark ascended

[lime forge]

They’re giving everyone a discount on release

[winged dome]

A discount for the minority of players? Na- wait there already is a discount 👀

[noble epoch]

stealing it?

[winged dome]

W-what? No, there literally already is a discount

[noble epoch]

oh i thought u said minorities

not minority of players

silly me

[frank tendon]

Have they said when ASA would be released?

[winged dome]

October is latest prediction

[noble epoch]

ark=ded

[winged dome]

Pretty sure it's not, but sure

[astral token]

I mean his name literally has kid... 😐

[brisk knot]

Or even for free

[winged dome]

Few more clowns and we'll have a circus!

[worldly garden]

Why do people constantly think people should work for free 🤣

The number of people that own ASE is in the millions, that would be millions of copies of ASA given away free and only a small portion of completely new players paying.

[blissful perch]

It’s discount

For playing a free additional service for a product paid…for 8 years, the reward should be getting free products forever

🧠

[split dove]

so the game should be free bc the servers used by the minority of the ark playerbase is closing and getting reused for ASA? peak ark user logic as usual i see

[blissful perch]

Nothing to do with minorities

It’s the same weird thing that people with ASE want asa free or at a discount…doesn’t matter if they’re active on official (where that number was stated) or not

[split dove]

oh i know, just wanted to use wildcards official statement

This also impacted our decision to sunset the ASE Official Network offline on August 31st, shortly before the ASA launch. Despite ASE Officials representing the minority of players on ARK

[tropic forge]

that would be funny for those that got for free on epic getting again for free 🤣

[tropic forge]

slavery never ended it just got word change

[tropic forge]

peak ark logic to assume minority only count in the end 🤯

[noble epoch]

they still need the money tho

[blissful perch]

In fairness it IS useful when asking “should we keep hosting ASE officials”

Not a certain answer for “should there be ASA or ark 2 officials”, though WC also confirmed officials for both so that’s not what’s being asked

[south lance]

ase should be heavily discounted or free

asa nah

[tropic forge]

you really think snail gonna let that go? get a clue, check the other snail games

[south lance]

thats why i say should

whats gonna happen is ase stays current price for a couple more years

[tropic forge]

dosent matter if you say it should aint happening

[south lance]

ok?

[blissful perch]

Why?

[south lance]

cause its unsupported from now on

[blissful perch]

Beyond the reality that old games sell for less, the game is itself a product without the service of officials. I can see a mark down for that, but I dunno about “heavy”

[south lance]

but there is no more dev input

[blissful perch]

No support = “done” in the world of products. You don’t pay less for a cookie because people stopped refining the recipe

[south lance]

idk i feel like games like ark need some sort of maintenance while playing to justify it

its not polished even now

theres a bunch of bugs and bad mechanics

[blissful perch]

Ark DOES have a service, which there’s valid argument to cut the price if the “promised” service is discontinued. But the service is the official network, not continuous updates

[south lance]

and without official and a large number of unofficial players leaving, the experience is far worse

so why would you have it up for the same price

[south lance]

both are tho

[blissful perch]

But they’re not

You don’t pay for the certainty of updates that ensure a high degree of polish

You DO pay for officials, because you get those the instant you click “buy”

[south lance]

i do personally

like if ark didnt update, unless it was in a really good state, i wouldnt play it, since long term it just isnt a good game yet

its good at first, for a few hundred hours, but it needs updates to keep me going beyond that. And a few hundred hours is a lot for most games, but for ark like games thats not terribly long imo

and those first few hundred hours are good because im essentially engaging with new content

[winged dome]

-Slaps roof of mods-
Look at all this free content

[south lance]

but the issue is that most modders are leaving for asa

[winged dome]

Not all - and the devs kit is open for you to make your own

[south lance]

there might be some left, but that means new mods will be slow to come and will only keep slowing down as time passes by

and this isnt to mention that a huge part of ark, at least for me, is the players, and thats gonna be leaving too

[winged dome]

I'm sure some will stay too

[blissful perch]

But the promise isn’t there in the price tag is my point

[south lance]

its fair that it isnt explicitly mentioned

[blissful perch]

You pay for ark “as is” at this stage in development. In early access, you pay for what you see and for the loose promise of more to come. It’s not the same

[winged dome]

You've already paid, gotten your money's worth - why does the price of the older version even matter to you anymore? Keep playing or drop it

[blissful perch]

Players think many things, and consumers consider quite a few things when valuing a game. However, that’s not always what the product itself IS

[south lance]

idk i feel like if ark released as it is now back a few years, like 2018, and without officials and with the corresponding playerbase that itll have after asa releases, i wouldnt buy it since itd be mostly dead

[blissful perch]

I think the question here boils down to “is ark valued substantially less (or free) once officials are shutdown and updated stop”

[south lance]

both development and playerbase wise

i think ark does explicitly advertise its playerbase too

every trailer involves playing with and against people

[winged dome]

Official Servers bring zero value to me personally

[blissful perch]

It advertises multiplayer - but not MMO gameplay really

[winged dome]

Thing is, you still can though

[south lance]

if thats mostly gone, it does make the game significantly worse

i mean technically sure

[winged dome]

Not technically - absolutely

[blissful perch]

If they showed full marketplaces and 100 person tribe wars as the “standard” there’s some argument that the marketing is no longer accurate. But that’s not really what’s being shown

[south lance]

not really, except for a few unofficials itd become pretty hard to find other people

thats what i envision ase will end up as, mostly a wasteland

[winged dome]

Tons of older games with 'dead' communities still have a good number of active servers and players - Original Team Fortress, Doom95, ect

[blissful perch]

It’ll probably condense to groups of dedicated fans/cheap gamers or private servers for friends. The product however is unchanged

It’s not like extinction erodes into dust at the end of the year

[south lance]

dedis will probably be fine for a while ye

[winged dome]

But that's the same as any game with any kind of multiplayer component - if you want the best online experience then you'll need to play the most updated and available version

[south lance]

i dont see why unofficials will be much fun after a while tho

its already hard enough to find one that isnt boosted to garbage. But thats a personal issue

[blissful perch]

For the same reason any old game’s unofficials would work

[south lance]

ase right now is an old game

but an old game with a big sequel?

[blissful perch]

Highly common

[winged dome]

Why? With the proper settings, Unofficial can perfectly mimic Official - why would being an Unofficial be any less 'fun' than an Official server?

[south lance]

because the people running unofficial have specific preferences

[winged dome]

So run your own

[blissful perch]

There’s always groups who are 1) poor 2) low spec 3) nostalgic 4) change adverse

[south lance]

renting an unofficial isnt practical for 90% of players, especially since its only fun witj a significant number of people

playing a cluster with 5 people spread across 12 maps isnt fun

[blissful perch]

For some people. And the folks who want an MMO will be on ASA

[south lance]

yeah

[south lance]

which games tho

especially in multiplayer

halo series is all i can imagine but that seems exceptional

[blissful perch]

Ark isn’t exclusively MMO. In fact it’s very clearly split

[winged dome]

I'm not sure I understand the question - are you asking for examples of older games getting a recent sequel with multiplayer?

[blissful perch]

The service (the mmo) is in fact shutting down this year lol. So anyone who wanted the mmo will obviously not be sticking around or will buy it later

[south lance]

im asking for mmos that survive after a sequel is announced

[winged dome]

OSRS

[blissful perch]

Usually the sequel never runs at the same time as the original. OSRS is the only exception I can think of (although that was a very exceptional case)

[winged dome]

WOW Classic

[blissful perch]

True

[south lance]

runescape is probably a decent example yeah

[winged dome]

Guild Wars? I think

[blissful perch]

But again I state my above - this isn’t really relevant to the price tag perse

[winged dome]

I haven't paid attention to MMOs in ages

But at least a few good examples

[blissful perch]

Folks who value the mmo will…never buy ASE once the mmo shuts down. So the price is irrelevant to them

[south lance]

a reduced price tag would help ase population stay above a couple hundred to a few thousand

[blissful perch]

The question then becomes “will people seeking SP/unofficial/private servers pay the price for the product”

[south lance]

like 5-10 dollars for the whole game

down to 0

[winged dome]

But to the Devs, there's no point to continue to spend money for servers for a less populated and no longer supported game

[blissful perch]

And…since people did exactly that since ASE’s release there’s 0 reason to drop the price

Separate question here Zen

[winged dome]

Ok, I'm getting distracted by work 😂

[blissful perch]

You don’t need players to make income for a game that’s no longer the MMO

[blissful perch]

This premise imo is flawed

[south lance]

for the reason that the people who play ark for reasons other than it being an mmo are already buying it at current price?

[blissful perch]

Correct

[south lance]

cause sure ye, but i think itd be cool if some aspect of that mmo experience stayed

[blissful perch]

It would be cool, but it’s a dead premise. You need official support to run an official service for something like an MMO

[south lance]

i mean via unofficial

cause even the unofficial experience can often get you whatever mmo experience you want

[blissful perch]

That’s always possible if you get a dedicated enough group and some source code, but I suspect that won’t happen in the short term. Maybe 10 years from now wc will fork it over 😅

[south lance]

i dont think youd need much dev help

just make the game worth getting by reducing price a bit

[blissful perch]

But without source code I suppose you can always try to market and bring forth a community. Nothing stops that from happening sans officials

But there’s 0 reason to drop the price to promote that

The market for ASE as an mmo collapses when asa comes out. It’ll never be a primary monetary driver again unless unofficials have already built their numbers into a “new” mmo experience that attracts players

[south lance]

idk i think asa would just make ase even worse then since theres literally no reason to get ase after asa

thats what im getting at, but those unofficials will never succeed if all new players are forwarded to asa

unless its just too niche, and the people in that niche are already willing to pay 40 for ase

[blissful perch]

Many reasons - cheaper, lower spec requirements, more mods, I’m SURE some folks will argue with balance changes, and ofc nostalgia

[south lance]

i mean basically every mod you see now will likely be in asa

most large unofficials are making the transition to asa

[blissful perch]

This whole argument is about cheapening ASE because of the mmo going away. But there’s no argument that defends ASE being high price as it ages

The price will steadily fall as new games come out and ASE ages and declines in value to consumers

[south lance]

why not just accelerate that price reduction now tho

[blissful perch]

Because you make less money?

[south lance]

youll lose some money

ye, but i think the player count is gonna eventually even it out

if theres enough players in the first place

[blissful perch]

I doubt it. If you jump the gun, you get more players, but it’s not 1-1. 80% of those players who dropped $10 may have dropped $30 and you’d never know

[south lance]

ig

[blissful perch]

There’s also value in trying to push people to asa

Pay $30 for ASE…or pay $45 for the far more updated and newer asa. Pay for asa and you get a newer product and wc gets more $

[south lance]

i think asa being a large population is already a given tho

[blissful perch]

This conversation as I understood it is about money

Not really about playercounts

[south lance]

idk how much value is lost here if you dont go all out to get people from ase to asa

im guessing the majority of ase players will own asa

followed by people who cant run asa

[blissful perch]

Current official players for sure. They have the most pressure to move to asa

[south lance]

offi is already some type of minority

idk how small tho

maybe 10%?

ik a lot of offi also plays a significant amount of unofficial

[blissful perch]

Well as I said above - the minority at ASE at this stage in development is not indicative of their status at launch

[south lance]

asa launch you mean right

yeah fair

[blissful perch]

I think a lot of last Gen console folks and folks with low specs who can’t readily get a rig for asa or ark 2 will keep with ASE

ASE will also likely see a price drop when asa comes out, and a general price decline with age, which will keep the cash flow for a bit longer

[tropic crag]

This and your above statement are extremely contradictory

[untold ingot]

What is the contradiction?

[tropic crag]

That unofficial isn't practical for 90% of players, and then turning around and saying that official players are the minority of players at "probably" 10%. Which is it? Impractical for most players, or played as the preferred method of Ark by most players? But I know you didn't actually need me to spell it out for you... right?

[untold ingot]

I don't see a contradiction , just misunderstanding on your part

[tropic crag]

...Suuuure

[untold ingot]

Renting an unofficial is impractical for most people. Fact

Official has less players. Fact

Finding an unofficial that isn't boosted and broken is hard. Fact

Those aren't opinions, they are facts.

The contradiction is because you like to be contrary

There isn't actually one

[south lance]

people wanna play on unofficials, but they cant rent them basically

[winged dome]

*Don't want to rent them

[south lance]

that could be true too

but the monthly payments probably add up so i doubt itd be worth it, especially since its possible nobody plays on them since nobody knows about it or nobody wants to play

[stray elm]

To be fair, server-providers have been getting expensive.
I believe GPortal and Nitrado upped their pricing a few months ago?

[south lance]

how much

[stray elm]

I don't know. I just heard from a friend that goes through GPortal that they upped their prices.
Could be literal cents worth, but I don't see a company upping price-tags by cents.

[south lance]

fair

[stray elm]

But even so, providers like GPortal have sales of their servers.

[south lance]

a lot of unofficials ive seen have mtx too, so that likely helps cover it

but they also tend to be p2w

regardless of eula stuff

[stray elm]

Like, I don't think technically Wildcard can do anything about it other then ban them from official servers.
Which isn't going to do much, if they're only on unofficial. 🦛

[winged dome]

Could get a cease and desist? Kind of an odd area. Like modders asking for donations/doing commissions

[stray elm]

People have been doing it for the 8 years ARK have existed, and I don't think they've ever done so.
So they either don't care/mind. Or legally can't.

[winged dome]

Fair point. If it was a problem, then WC would take action to try and stop it. I guess if it doesn't affect Official servers, then they really don't have a way to police it

[stray elm]

Also, I believe Nitrado has a 'direct donation' system, which if you do that then admins give you a in-game reward for doing so. It technically isn't against the EULA.

It's the same process I believe of people donating to a YouTuber's Patreon, so they don't make 'direct' money off of another product.

[winged dome]

Might be a per-server basis for Nitrando, I've been on a few that didn't have anything like that to my knowledge

[stray elm]

I've mostly seen the donation system on Xbox.

[untold ingot]

It's on almost every pvp unofficial

[stray elm]

Damn, fucking PvP?
I can understand on PvE, cause the balance is kind of on you. But on PvP, that must be fucking chaos.

[untold ingot]

Mts does it

So does almost every other one

[stray elm]

Who?

[untold ingot]

It's why a lot of official players don't want to do unofficial

[stray elm]

Fair enough, if that's all what the official PvP community sees.

[winged dome]

I will say, finding a good Unofficial community is tough. Especially if you're picky about settings

[untold ingot]

Very

[stray elm]

I expect it'll be a bit easier with some official players not wanting to move to ASA, so hosting their own clusters.

[blissful perch]

There will likely be a new type of unofficials that mirror officials…since there’s now a real market for that

One thing I’ll say is unique to ark unofficial being so miserable to host is that you need to pay for multiple servers to make your cluster work. So you are much more likely to need donations or other paying players to keep things afloat

[untold ingot]

People say that will happen, I don't see it happening

[winged dome]

Mm. Or be stuck on one map and changing maps is a pain if you want to keep progress

[blissful perch]

High risk of a lot of issues, especially if you have a lotta players lol. As you’re seeing me and Flobs having lol

[blissful perch]

Idk what the success rate will be, but it’ll be tried for nearly certain

Zero reason to host an official clone while unofficial until the official network is down. Once official is dropped, folks who want ASE official and not asa are now a new audience for unofficials

[untold ingot]

There probably will be perma save unofficials that see a bit more popularity, but unofficials just can't keep the volume of servers required for an official clone

[blissful perch]

Not a perfect clone for sure. Especially on server counts. But for everything else it seems pretty within reason

[untold ingot]

All the serious official players will be moving to Asa anyway

[blissful perch]

Depends an awful lot on what asa actually delivers. And what you mean by “serious”. And how many official players aren’t currently playing ASE for reasons that prevent them from swapping (willingly or not)

[winged dome]

'No INI cheats improvements? No point!' -Serious PvPers

[blissful perch]

See reasons for why folks may not swap

[blissful perch]

Vocal anyway

Idk if by serious it only includes the no lifers or if it means folks who are generally invested

[winged dome]

To play on Official rates seriously, is there a difference? 🤔

[blissful perch]

Hard to say. I hear some folks can play a few hours a day/week on official and have fun. Don’t ask me how, especially on PvP, but I can’t discredit their comments

But are those folks called casuals? 🧐

[untold ingot]

Have you ever played on official rates?

With a tribe?

Yes there is a difference between no lifers, cheaters, and other serious players

[winged dome]

Only briefly. I don't trust randos enough to tribe, and the people I do trust don't have time for Official rates. Also, I don't have time for Official rates 😂

But that's just me

[tropic crag]

Yeah, official rates have always sucked ass, that much everyone knows 😅

[untold ingot]

Well official is designed to tribe. And believe me, if you have 40 people in a tribe, or 70, or 150 and you farm, it makes the rates act more like 25x than 1x

[south lance]

i think arkpoc is about fine outside shit like taming

[untold ingot]

It's only on smalls or wipe servers where you are required to no life to survive

[tropic crag]

Because having 150 people makes the dinos tame and raise faster... riiiiiight

[south lance]

it does help with the exponential growth

[winged dome]

Can get more done in the downtime at least

[south lance]

like you can parallel grind a bunch of stuff with more people

and you can be more secure

[untold ingot]

Imma take this as being obtuse

[tropic crag]

Sure, but you're still waiting a week or whatever per giga/whatever else breeding cycle

[untold ingot]

And what is the issue with that?

[tropic crag]

It factually doesn't make them breed or tame faster, since you're all about facts now...

[untold ingot]

The difference is you don't have to do it all...

[blissful perch]

It’s the diametric split in experience

1. achieving things yourself or 2) achieving them as a collective

[south lance]

breeding takes a while regardless, its a mostly broken mechanic, but you will be able to hit stat cap since you wont get completely wiped and lose all progress

[untold ingot]

If you are raising gigas, with cryos and maewing, you literally can choose your on time to raise gigas. Or whatever else you are doing.

[south lance]

plus you can take a larger base and mass breed too

like, literally everyone can set up a breeding sky quetz, but you cant mass breed

[untold ingot]

And this is the main difference between official 1x and other servers. And it's not replicable on unofficial

[south lance]

so you might increase how many generations worth of time by many multiples

[blissful perch]

I mean yes, if you’re referring to ark as an mmo see the above conversation Bada and I had

[tropic crag]

You can totally achieve things as a collective in unofficial, wat

[south lance]

more people basically bring your practical time towards grinding things to their theoretical minimum

[untold ingot]

I mean call it as you want, 1x is not designed to be solo.

[untold ingot]

Name one unofficial where tribes larger than 10 are allowed?

That isn't pve

[tropic crag]

Mine? A few others out there are as well, I can assure you

[untold ingot]

Yours is a pvp server?

What is the pop, and what's the biggest tribe?

And if it's that good, why isn't it big?

[tropic crag]

It's only a few hundred, and everyone in there knows at least 1-2 of the others, it's a word of mouth friend group, we don't take in randos

It's got PvP and PvE

[untold ingot]

So obviously it can't mirror official, and is irrelevant to the conversation

[tropic crag]

And the biggest tribe right now (in light of recent events, the majority of us are moving to ASA when it comes out) is about 30-40 deep, I think

[tropic crag]

Now that is obtuse

No one server on official can hold more than 100 players, correct?

Got that covered

And regardless, it is relevant to the original question asked, I have a tribe limit higher than 10, period, question answered

As far as other servers out there, idk, the burden of proof isn't on me lmao

[untold ingot]

In a closed community server

I guarantee that if you opened it to randoms and an actual tribe came on that was coordinated and good at pvp you would be wiped in a week

[tropic crag]

Ok, and? That has no bearing on the conversation at hand, you're just being obtuse again

[untold ingot]

...

What part of there isn't an unofficial that can replicate 1x is being obtuse. Closed community pvpve is not relevant to that conversation

[tropic crag]

That isn't even the point of contention here

[untold ingot]

Then you have been reading a different chat than me obviously

Because that was literally my point of contention

[stray elm]

[untold ingot]

And has been for years lol

[tropic crag]

You are just misrepresenting the original point entirely, which I already answered, so

I know these things are hard to understand, especially for someone who thinks it's hard to run/rent unofficial servers 🤷‍♂️

[untold ingot]

Impractical.....

That is the word used

Twist it however you want

[tropic crag]

"(of an object or course of action) not adapted for use or action; not sensible or realistic."
"impossible to do; impracticable."

What part of renting a server is not sensible or realistic? Or even impossible, for that matter?

I know what word was used, and what it means.

[untold ingot]

I'm not even going to bother answering to that

As always I am talking from a pvp perspective. That should make it perfectly clear. And if not, idgaf

[tropic crag]

So you're not going to give me the facts or a lecture on the matter? Darn.

[untold ingot]

No. You are the king of not answering a claim, or backing things up. I don't owe an explanation to you lol

[tropic crag]

Also already stated that there is PvP included, but I guess you decided to omit that from "your chat"

[twilit sky]

Hello

Let’s move to dms or wrap it up here please

[stray elm]

[tropic crag]

Ah yes, because you always back up your claims with reason and facts, lmao. I'm done, you got me rolling over here 🤣

I'm done, as stated

[twilit sky]

Bring it back to ark 2

Otters in ark 2

[stray elm]

Hope I can eat the Aratai's in ARK-2.

[untold ingot]

But not Asa 😭

[stray elm]

Aratai?
More like Arasoup. 🍜

What I'm saying is I wanna fucking consume aliens.

[untold ingot]

Bruh, you are weird 😂😂

[twilit sky]

^ LOL

[tropic crag]

Arathai food

[stray elm]

It's fine, they're not humans.
Pro-Humanity, fuck the alien environment. Am I right Santiago?

[twilit sky]

I just hope for npc builders LOL

Or like building blueprints

[untold ingot]

I mean. What is human?

[stray elm]

I'm just saying, a settlement-like system would be dope for ARK-2 if the map is large enough.

[twilit sky]

Truths

[untold ingot]

That's a question that people have been trying to answer since ancient times

[stray elm]

Meat

[untold ingot]

I thought those were confirmed for ark2. It would be cool if they had npcs that could do it

[twilit sky]

I think so but we didn’t get much info past it haha

[stray elm]

Humans, also known as Homo-Sapiens are a species/dominant species on Earth.
I don't care for philosophical shit when it comes to 'what are humans?'
Humans are a species, not an idea.
I will happily view sapient races as on-par to humanity, but they aren't humans. They're whatever-the-fuck aliens they are.

[untold ingot]

Hmm, but at what point does the line blur? Species aren't static

That's the science of it

Maybe the aratai are people that went there and it's like a billion years later.

That would explain their humanoid structure

[winged dome]

Nb4 Santiago sends us to another settlement that needs our help 😂

[stray elm]

Okay, so it depends what situation we're talking about.
If we're going on a All-Tomorrows situation, where there's 6+ species that evolved from Homo-Sapians, then sure they're human.
But an Aratai, that has no connection (that we know of) to humanity, then they're not human. They're Aratai's.

[untold ingot]

I mean

I don't get the reference, but yeah

There is also nothing not connecting them to humans

So my new pet theory is that the aratai are previous survivors from a different Genesis ship

[winged dome]

That's ... a stretch

[stray elm]

In All-Tomorrows, (a theoretical future book) humanity got fucked by a alien-species, and got mutated into like 6+ separate species.
They all deprived from humanity, but they all evolve separately on their own planets.

[stray elm]

That's kind of a stretch without any evidence.
Another Genesis-ship would be pretty impractical with the timeline, with humanity being nearly extinct by the time it launched.

[untold ingot]

Stretching is good pre workout

[untold ingot]

Huh

[stray elm]

It is!
And I advice everyone to do so, even if you're not working out right now.

[untold ingot]

Well, I am stretching the limits of the lore, because it is funny

[stray elm]

Fair enough.

[frosty iris]

Can u trade Dino’s

[blissful perch]

Unofficially yes. There’s no word about an “ingame market” in any of the new ark games

It would be nice to have 200-400 players on an ark 2 server so you could actually run an MMO experience that isn’t handicapped by…itself. Get some actual markets going and some real functional PvP that doesn’t involve server slot capping and having a fraction of the tribe actually present

[eternal wigeon]

With pvp
They have small tribes to cap limit, 6 man, but big alphas all have alliances, discord of 100+ people breaking the TOS

Enforcement doesn't stop tribes from allying and steam rolling others

Just a game of numbers then
And the little guy stands no chance

[blissful perch]

I mean I’m not even talking about tribe size

I’m talking about slot capping a normal official server so two big tribes can’t even be fully present

[eternal wigeon]

There already is slot capping?

[blissful perch]

…can’t even DO the large PvP that’s promised because the server slot caps are smaller than the tribe size limits on official 😅

[eternal wigeon]

U realize, by expanding the slot cap from 70

It will be an even bigger game of numbers?

You will see 200 players vs 30

Even worse then current problem

[untold ingot]

Way worse lol

I mean, at least 15 people can marginally defend against 45.

[south lance]

they gonna have a queue system, not that itll change any of this directly, but itd be interesting if they added cooldowns to prevent people capping a server in seconds

[untold ingot]

I think they will be managing character files differently

[south lance]

idk how to make that work tho

[untold ingot]

Like account based rather than server based

[south lance]

that would prevent character deletion i think

which w9ukd be so good lol

[untold ingot]

If it is account based, just have the server check the tribe count, and limit it to some proper number or something

Like 20 people from a tribe can be on at the same time or something

[south lance]

i think the issue is if people leave tribe when transfering to another server to work there mostly, and then join tribe back after a while during war

you might need to have a tribe recruitment cooldown

on top of tribe transfer cooldown

maybe apply to allies too idk

it should take a while for people to set up and start a war imo

[untold ingot]

That would be easy to add in too

[south lance]

you might need to make it also apply to accounts that are tribed together but separate server or are coming from the same server

[untold ingot]

Instead of having a piece of code that runs on hundreds of servers, it would just have to run on the one that manages the character files

Imo tribes should be crossark

[south lance]

since people might just work together in separate tribes

that could work maybe

[blissful perch]

Or just have a hard cap of 2-4 tribes and allow solos

[south lance]

the issue is people in separate tribes working together

the same way they team on smalltribes

this wouldnt be possible to moderate i think

[blissful perch]

Right, so hard capped 2-4 tribes in the game means that can’t happen

[south lance]

people could then tribe cap a server tho

[blissful perch]

And if it does, it’s pretty clear third parting

[south lance]

idk if theres a way to be confident with that

[blissful perch]

Cap number of slots per tribe to no more than 40% or somethin

[south lance]

i think you could still circumvent the issue with a good number of players

like 80 players on server in 4 different tribes all working together

cpuld easily bring 32 online without getting caught no?

[untold ingot]

That won't work

[eternal wigeon]

Man u have no idea do u?
Enforcement is shit that it will still lead to major issues

I've played officials, whatever they try to enforce, doesn't work to stop it

[eternal wigeon]

Separate
Tribes
Will
Ally
And
3rd
Party

Just like on small tribes
And Enforcement is so shit, you could get away with it

Iv seen small tribes 6man vs fully capped server of multiple tribes fobbing at once

[south lance]

the main issue is on an active server youll have 4 tribes online that might look identical to 3p

at least at first

esp if they all sync up on activity

[untold ingot]

Having a tribe cap on a server will never work

[eternal wigeon]

End of the day, Enforcement is shit, no amount of anti cheat will help them 2 💀

[south lance]

i mean i think a hard cooldown with enough parameters would still work

[eternal wigeon]

Iv seen ark devs spawn dinos illegally on officials

Iv seen Snail games corruption on conquest

[south lance]

it slows down how quickly someone can engage in war

[eternal wigeon]

Small tribe has a 24hr cool down for switching in new players

Does nothin

When u account share or ally

[south lance]

im referring to server cap tho

itd prevent someone capping a server in seconds

i also mean server log in cooldown so people dont all log on at once

[eternal wigeon]

What happens if it caps slowly and it's 50 vs 10?

[south lance]

youre supposed to be fucked then lol

i dont think itd be fair to people who want to play in a big tribe to completely handicap their ability to play on a server

plus i dont think thatd be possible entirely

and if they log in slowly you have a chance to prepare vs if they all log in when of those 10 people 8 are asleep and wont get on in 4 hours

[eternal wigeon]

Wwll that's just a bad game design to have 200 players in a discord capping a sever
Game of numbers very fun

[south lance]

i dont really think server cap should be that high

not unless map size is massive and they change so many other parts of the game like mobility and cryos

im just working with current 70 cap

[blissful perch]

The reality ofc is that standard ark officials will never have fair PvP 🤷‍♂️. ASE ain’t built for it

[karmic grove]

Why do we even got this tab? The game ain’t even gonna come out till 2025💀

[eternal wigeon]

More like 2030+

[blissful perch]

Sorry about being unclear. Clear third party means nothing, because it’s not a crime on standard official

[karmic grove]

Facts

I just really hope they have thylas

[blissful perch]

For PlayStation you’ll have the advantage of knowing in advance what’s in ark 2

[karmic grove]

Yea

[blissful perch]

2030 for PC, 2040 for PS5

PvP will still be a mess tho, so you’ll have that

[wary fiber]

So , it will cost be 40$ to buy ark ASA and all the dlcs included. But how much will it be to pay for ASA, all the dlcs and ARK 2 preorders?

[stray elm]

We don't know how much ARK-2 will be.

[tropic forge]

40$ first week for early access ASA whit old dlc's that will be release in different times not incluided the new one/s and ark 2 is better to consider TBA so no price for it

[wary fiber]

Okey

[mossy minnow]

Ark 2 and 1.5 are not gonna survive snail games messed it up and so many players left and will not be back

[worldly garden]

1.5 definitely will survive. People overestimate how many people are affected by the Snail drama.

Ark 2 can't really comment on until we see it.

[blissful perch]

If ASE did fine with snail and all its problems…

[abstract jackal]

will have ark 2 official pve/pvp servers ?

[winged dome]

Likely yes, but not confirmed

[chrome lodge]

Is it possible for wildcard to refuse a voted creature ?

[winged dome]

Sure, they make the rules

[pine basin]

I can assure you >90% of players doesn’t even know about it. Also a lot of people that are aware won’t care about it.

[pine basin]

I can’t comment on ASA either. The fact we don’t have an screenshot so far doesn’t bode well to me.

I was really hyped for Ark 2, but since the second postponement I don’t even care that much anymore

Maybe when it releases my excitement will be back

[worldly garden]

Wildcard never release gameplay or ingame screenshots this early.

It's no different to how they handled ARK 1.

[winged dome]

Extinction got screenshots pretty early, and all DLCs got teasers in the form of Mysterious Mysteries but I don't remember when those usually started showing up. Gen1 virtual experience was pretty awesome. Gameplay was never until the official trailer/shortly before release

[tropic forge]

the fact of almost no info about ark 2 than ASA whit delays already its pretty much confirm wc asent change and learn at all, more they openly admit its hard to learn UE 5 despite the makers saying they made it better and by far more simple to use it, then you have a snail own game coming up whit a demo that i play( dint notice it was own by snail) and after 15min i delete and never though about it again until today i recognize the game and show it was from snails (it explain a lot why delete the demo after 15min) and i ear that was a really big issue whit a big streamer recently on ark and seems that snail was involved so yeh aint looking good at all where this is going

[winged dome]

Gonna need a Neddy vid to decipher that note 😂

[tropic forge]

sure fanboy 😉

[winged dome]

Of?

Publisher =/= Developer

I have faith in WC as Devs because Ark1 is good. It certainly has flaws, but no game I have played keeps me coming back like Ark does

[pine basin]

Not true. First Ark gameplay came like 1-2 months before the early-access was opened.

About dlcs, yeah, they don’t need to release a lot of videos screenshots prior to launch because it’s the same game

But a new game made from the ground up, with no videos or screenshots at this point? I don’t know… doesn’t feel right

[worldly garden]

Nope, the first ever gameplay, which was the announcement trailer was on 11 May 2015, 3 weeks prior to June 2nd EA release.

[pine basin]

A month then LOL

But I thought it was because it would be an early-access release from a tiny company

When they decided to release Atlas, they've announced it some months prior with a gameplay trailer

Anyways, It doesn't feel right to release it with little to no info at this point

[winged dome]

We have a lot of info for ASA, but not much as to what it'll look like aside from a few assets. No clue what new UIs might look like, how the lighting will look on a natural environment, ect

But overall, the gameplay will be mostly the same as Ark1. Mechanics ... mostly the same as Ark1. Maps ... mostly the same as Ark1, but with new lighting and assets

[worldly garden]

Nope, they released the Atlas reveal trailer at The Game Awards on 7 December 2018, 2 weeks prior to EA release.

You keep saying Ark and Atlas was showcased 1 to 2 months early, but it was literally 2-3 weeks early. And if they do the same for ASA then it could very well be 2-3 weeks prior to release. Because they have always said it will be shortly before release.

[eternal wigeon]

True, they kinda keep changing offical posts so you never know until you see it

[winged dome]

I think you're forgetting that ASA is still going to contain the same base gameplay experience that Ark1 has. Same progression of Thatch to Wood to Stone to Metal and Tek, same map progression of Maps (caves to bosses to Tek Cave and Ascensions, with a new one thrown in)

There will still be creatures and taming. Resource gathering and farming. None of that is going to change in any dramatic way

[eternal wigeon]

Think everyone is aware of this, that's not the pressing issue

It's remake/remaster of a previous game

So we are all looking forward on what plan there is to improve and change or add on existing stuff

We will have to keep waiting and see

[winged dome]

'In Theory we have no info for ASA, just what they PLAN to put into the game, not what IS in the game, or will be, on launch.'

Evidently not

[eternal wigeon]

I just assumed that's what he meant if he elaborated more 🤷‍♂️

[winged dome]

Now, for the new stuff, sure. We don't know how that'll all look - and I've already mentioned that

[winged dome]

Sorry, assumed you weren't since new stuff not being actually shown was already discussed and the quote was for the known Ark1 stuff being ported over

[tropic crag]

You do know how long a month is... right?