ark-2

[true fox]

But yeah by 2016 we probably should have had that

[blissful perch]

A small indie title in 2015, like the vast majority of games made at that time, did not optimize performance

While not an excuse for WC’s new 2023-2024 products, I think it’s fair to say they did what they could with what they had in their early days. Given the budgets and timelines it’s a miracle they outlined so many systems that worked together to make the blueprint of a huge hit. My expectation is that with budgets, people, and time, ark 2 can be the realization of everything ark 1 worked to be

[stray elm]

Hell, even Dying-Light 1 that was slightly more professional then Wildcard was at the time had a bug ridden game on launch

[stray elm]

Oh, honest thoughts.
But do you think ASA will be delayed this CC?

[blissful perch]

Could be. I also don’t expect much in the way of finalized release dates until I see extremely concrete game footage and specific announcements ahead of imminent release

[stray elm]

Oh defiantly.
Personally, I'm betting on, at most, end of September without Scorched.
I don't see a huge delay of months, since that'll bottleneck all of the other DLC's.
But I can also see with how much love they're putting into this, that they might wanna put Scorched on the backburner until they get basically 60% of the game done, then put all focus on indivisual DLC's.

[blissful perch]

I’m curious about how they balance polish and timeliness

[stray elm]

Yeah, I really wanna see their work-schedule and how it goes.

[blissful perch]

We’ll never see that lol, we just see the end product

But I am very happy to see they’re prioritizing soft deadlines and polish. I just hope they keep that up

[stray elm]

I believe Dollie stated in general that people at the office where stepping back due to mental stuff going on with the submarine.
So if I remembered that right, they're willing to allow their employees to step back for mental health, when other massive studios like Microsoft wouldn't allow that.
Dollie I believe has also stated they take mental health very seriously, so with that I don't think they crunch heavily.

[blissful perch]

All studios have crunches. But it’s good WC doesn’t use that to exploit people

However my concern was whiffing a release deadline AND having questionable polish (for example with Gen 2)

[stray elm]

Oh defiantly, even the Survival-Stories had crunches.
But there's 'alright' crunches where it makes sense. Then there's ones that should violate some human-rights law.

[blissful perch]

Some lines of work have more or less of it. Auditing for example is hard 18 hour days for 3 months and breezy 6 hour ones for the off season

[stray elm]

Didn't Bungie had 18-hour days for like a year for Halo-2?

[blissful perch]

However it works in the industry tho…you gotta manage your customer expectations and your ability to meet them

WC is doing way better at it. And I appreciate it

[stray elm]

Yeah, Googled it.
Halo-2 had 18-hour workdays for 10-months straight.

That's a 'yikes'

[lime forge]

Imagine them paychecks though

That’s a dream

[stray elm]

I checked their hiring page, and yeah, it's big bucks.

I believe senior level-designers get paid like 60k a year over there.

[stray elm]

Senior animators at Wildcard get around 120,000 - $135,000 a year.

[lime forge]

Damn. That’s great money. Makes a man reconsider his career choices

[tropic crag]

Hehehe, defiantly

[exotic merlin]

when the wildcard wipe all the official servers guys?

[stray elm]

End of August

[mint swan]

Question prob repeated many times but i can’t find any pins - which maps we get when asa drops right away? The Island only ?

[lime forge]

The island and SE as of now

[stray elm]

Current plan is The-Island 'and' Scorched on launch. But with an update to the roadmap coming next week, I'm betting they're removing Scorched from day-one

[lime forge]

I’m betting on a full delay into early 2024

[mint swan]

Cool
I hope they will give required tools to the modders asap so they can start working on whatever they feel like

[tropic crag]

They've said something along those lines, forget where though

[sour bane]

i hope they add new items in ASA

like upgrades for items like a better cooking pot that can be crafted in the smithy

generally more mid game stuff

[autumn vortex]

What's going to happen to the servers of ark1 when ascended drops? Can we make our bases jnto a single player thing?

[verbal wind]

official servers will have a chance to download the save I think they've said

it's not touching unofficial servers

[wooden ibex]

when are thry finnaly launch ark 2

[lime forge]

Your guess is as good as ours

Official answer is 2024

Of course before that it was 2023 and then 2022 before that.

[worldly garden]

August 31st, unless the roadmap update this week changes that.

[lime flume]

@worldly garden did they say there's an update this week?

[worldly garden]

A roadmap update in Friday's Community Crunch.

[lime flume]

I just spotted it thanks

[desert swallow]

In CC they'll say they are no longer bringing down the original ASE servers and people who destroyed or abandoned their bases will be even more angry.

[true fox]

I suspect a significant delay in ASA, which will trigger an extension on server life for ASE.

But no ne maps or anything that requires developer time

[glossy brook]

i see videos said ark 2 is like conan exil gameplay 😮 is really or fake ?

[true fox]

There is no real gameplay out there.

curated studio stuff only

[glossy brook]

yeah but is same not far

[true fox]

the vin dielsel cinematic videos

[glossy brook]

i hope is not bad hype

[worldly garden]

The only reason some people say it will be like Conan is because the way ARK 2 is described supposedly sounds similar to Conan. But we have no gameplay footage of any kind for ARK 2, so people could be completely wrong about it.

[glossy brook]

i hope you have reason

so gameplay like ark 1 it's finish ? what you mind about that

[blissful perch]

I suspect gameplay will be like ark 1 in some ways and not in others

It will NOT be a carbon copy of ark 1. That’s ASA. It looks like ark 2 combat revolves way more around melee (ark 1 is almost all ranged)

[worldly garden]

There is no gameplay of any kind yet. We won't see that for ARK 2 before next year. So no-one can accurately judge what the game will be like. Only based on what is written.

[frosty orbit]

Ark 2 is only third person

[blissful perch]

This was unironically the entire chat for almost a year

[desert swallow]

I know. I was there, reading it in third person. Took a while to get used to.

[blissful perch]

Wild times. I adjusted pretty quick to reading chat in third person, but I get change can be scary

[tropic crag]

"You guys get to read chat in third person?"

[true fox]

I had a friend read it to me so I could experience in 4th person

[ripe cedar]

I think thats second personish

[gusty ermine]

So Ark ASA getting delayed? 🧐

[untold totem]

Wrong channel

[serene onyx]

Perhaps but i hope it wont

[true fox]

Update is coming this Friday

[worldly garden]

Hopefully just September, but find out soon.

[gusty ermine]

I still have faith that it will release at the end of august

[worldly garden]

I would too if not for the fact they indicated 31st August, therefore not giving themselves any kind of window for a pushback in August. That's why I think the first half of September.

[gusty ermine]

I mean yea. And it doesn’t make sense that they’re shutting down oficial servers just to delay Ark ASA. That’s why I’m thinking it will release on august.

[stray elm]

I'm going with at most the end of September, without Scorched.

[stray elm]

Well, who's to say they wont delay that also?

[serene onyx]

They might say something about delays Friday

If there is one

[worldly garden]

I suspect if there's a delay they'd extend the shutdown too, assuming it's not like a day delay or something.

[stray elm]

Wildcard has to know that if Official goes offline for too long, then getting new official players will be hell for ASA.

[serene onyx]

Its already gonna be hell.. right?

[stray elm]

I mean as in barely anyone on Official servers day-one.

At least if they shut down official hours before ASA's launch, it'll entice people to move to ASA faster.
But if it's days to weeks apart, people will start to move on.

[serene onyx]

Thats right

[stray elm]

Unless they're going to drop official, and let ARK be a community ran game (I wouldn't mind that) then they have to keep the ball going.

[serene onyx]

I wouldn’t mind either

[stray elm]

Personally, I think ARK would do better if they allowed the community to manage their own servers.
Smaller clusters, better admins.

[serene onyx]

It would definitely do better

[true fox]

I like the idea, but there are issues. One of the reasons I prefer official is that I know my character and progress will not suddenly go poof because the admin loses interest or does not want to pay server fees anymore

Or suddenly log in to find out someone wants to play with everything-is-a-dodo mod for a month…

Or I’ve been deleted because the admins brother wants my base spot

Etc etc

[vernal glen]

I hear from guys on official classics what admin soak their turrets and just fly away

[true fox]

I’d be surprised if that actually happened

The admins work for WC and have better things to do with their time

[frosty orbit]

Probably

First, it's the same game but remastered, with Unreal Engine 5

Second, only The Island and Scorched Earth available at launch

[rancid harness]

I'm genuinely hoping for some fundamental mechanics reworks. Like the inventory. Dear lord the inventory

[tropic forge]

you guys are hoping too much, better be careful

[rancid harness]

Oh I have no expectations.

Actually that's a lie

I expect ASA to be worse than ase for a long time.

[solar breach]

Ark has always been the game to hype you up then let you down at the worst low possible 🤣

[vestal shadow]

Can't wait for ASA to be delayed only to still be a buggy mess that isn't worth 60 dollara

[lime flare]

When Asa is out are they keepig ark up? or they gonna delete it

[worldly garden]

Only official servers will be taken down. Whether they will continue to sell it on Steam/Xbox/PS I don't know. Probably will though particularly for the old gen players.

[lime flare]

Ah gotcha

offical servers my beloved

[true fox]

Unofficials, SP etc will all continue to work. But I’d be surprised if you saw any updates other than critical security flaws

[lime flare]

Nah real, thats fine idk if id want to spend money on asa immedately. just needed to knownif my babygirl ark would stay up

Gotta wait till the bugs are mostly out

[real lotus]

gonna be a good while then

ark still has tons of bugs, and it took some time before the biggest bugs went away, but some are still there

[lime flare]

Yeah but the bugs are usually pretty minor

nothin toooo serious for the most part

[true fox]

So your official goes away 8/31. However we are expecting a roadmap update Friday in the community crunch.

[untold ingot]

Classic is run by snail, not wc

[mint swan]

It happens but it’s not common..legacy official Xbox servers a admin/mod gave tribes god rexs and gigas..the current servers on Xbox official a admin/mod spawned in a 296 prim tek rifle for a tribe and those got duped and spread around ..but like I said it’s not common

[mint swan]

They probably change the date official ends depending how ASA release is going if on time still or not

[true fox]

I think my point still stands though, no?

[untold ingot]

Snail does things like that

[stray elm]

And official currently isn't like that?

If that's also a worry for you. Just host your own server.

[true fox]

I also don’t want the responsibility of running it. Hence, official

[untold ingot]

It doesn't take that much to run one lol

[tropic forge]

took 8 years for officials to go down or at least thats the talk, whats the longest unofficial server timer run so far?

not to mention for each map a new server is need it

[blissful perch]

Part of this question imo hinges on “does ark 2 want to be an MMO”

For MMOs, a traditional mark of stability is a large official network. But if the MMO is toned down in favor of survival and RPG elements, restarting or playing unofficial would likely be the most common and effective form of play. Part of that will come from the time it takes to be “done” with the content and progression. If it’s endless or near endless like ark 1…officials have a logical niche (similar to the wipe discussion had earlier)

[tropic forge]

thats the thing whit sandbox games whitout any objectives, the player makes their objectives can be short can be long or can be endless but fall short and barely play

[blissful perch]

Ark PvE is a survival game first and a sandbox second imo. PvP arguably has remained a sandbox game first by virtue of not having a win condition

However, that’s not really the point being made here…which is that any sandbox can reasonably be wiped or have no officials under certain circumstances. But an MMO is treading on very dangerous turf if it relies exclusively on unofficial

[tropic forge]

i have to disagree whit this, either pve or pvp its the players decision on what to do whit the game aint nothing about surviving on ark, you can just survive by killing dodos and a fireplace to cook the meat thats it

[blissful perch]

The intro cutscene and boss kill cutscenes functionally define an objective that you can complete to “win” a story ark in PvE

[tropic forge]

but nothing tells you to do it

hell on the island if you dont go for those scrolls you dont even know about the tek cave

[blissful perch]

But there IS something that tells you

That’s my point. There’s a cutscene now when you first spawn on the island that tells you to fight bosses and ascend off the island

This is what imo PvP still has that makes it more of a sandbox. There’s no directive outside the PvE one, and once the PvE one is done, most folks are their own PvP objectives like they did before

[tropic forge]

ho really, bit way too late but...

[untold ingot]

Well, it's there now lol, and it will be for asa

[stray elm]

God please let Wildcard add a tek-cave to Scorched. 🙏

[true fox]

Why not level up on scorched and just Xfer over for the Island bosses?

[stray elm]

That doesn't solve the continuity error.

[untold ingot]

Scorched does need a tek cave imo

[stray elm]

It really does.
I could care less if it's unique, or a copy and paste of The-Islands.
Just need a proper tek-cave ascension then 'kill giant cat and be done'

Though, I always imagined a flier-version of the tek-cave for Scorched.
Wouldn't work in ASE due to how janky the flying is. But if flier-controls are revamped in ASA, it could work.

[untold ingot]

They have the city thing there already, just need to make a gate in it

[stray elm]

There is already a gate, and a canonical entrance to the tek-cave on Scorched.
But it's way to small to be friendly for anything like rex-sized.

[tropic crag]

The tek cave on Scorched is non-violent by all accounts, so it would just be a boring walk to a terminal that does exactly what the Manticore cutscene does... why would anyone want that lol

Honestly got more than we needed with the switch update already

[true fox]

Does every planetary ark control nexus have to be in a tek cave?

Perhaps different versions have diff forms?

Also the island tek cave is so damned buggy. Walk down on foot and you drop through the mesh

[untold ingot]

I never had that issue lol

And I have done the tek cave well over a dozen times

[stray elm]

Never had that happen in my multiple runs

[stray elm]

Also from what we currently know, yes.
All ARK's have a form have some bridge between the overworld of the ARK, to the control-room. Which is usally some form of cave.

[true fox]

Happened to two groups I was in. Not to me but others. We always rode down to be safe from then on

[true fox]

Yeah I ageee there is a bridge, but it could be up high or something. A tower

[stray elm]

Any videos capturing this event from others?

[true fox]

This was years ago

I have no idea.

[stray elm]

I mean from other players, like Youtube videos.
There's bound to be videos of it if it was common.

[stray elm]

In theory, it can be disgused as anything, as long as it's in theme with the ARK. (The-Island's tek-cave entrance was in the volcano, Scorched was in a colosseum, etc.)

[tropic crag]

That's happened to me as well, but it was quite a while ago as you said, so probably fixed (best to go down and back riding a tame to be safe anyways, though)

I did have another similar issue more recently though, about a year ago a snow owl I was riding got mesh destroyed while I was flying down to heal my gigas... sad times, as I lost my whole kit and the team I was guiding through had never run the cave before and were drunk and died at the Overseer fight lol

[true fox]

No idea if common. I’m just paranoid ow

[tropic crag]

Weird part was, I wasn't even like hugging the wall or anything, just hit a weird kill volume I guess

[true fox]

That’s a bummer. We now have spare players flying in tek suits and the ground team killing

This was post door and the history tunnel to be clear. On the way down we ride gigas to shred the trash

[tropic crag]

Wait, so you were in the arena? Or the bridge just beforehand?

[mint swan]

Wowowow

Ark ascended = ark 2 ?

Or are differents games ?

[tropic crag]

Different games

[mint swan]

Uhmm

[tropic crag]

ASA is a remake of Ark 1

[true fox]

Ascended is ark1 on ue 5

[untold ingot]

You got mesh killed in the tek cave riding a snow owl?

[mint swan]

In ark ascendend will be small tribez ?

Tribes*

[true fox]

Probably but we don’t know

[mint swan]

F

Ark didnt talk about

[true fox]

This coming cc on Friday should have a roadmap update

[tropic crag]

True, we might get more details on what game modes to expect then perhaps

[mint swan]

Yes

[true fox]

All I really want is a release date update. Are you on track? Yes/no?

[tropic crag]

I imagine we won't get that, but there's always a chance

[true fox]

But knowing WC will probably be “gosh doing things is hard so 3 more months” 🙂

[inner falcon]

is ark 2 gonna have free private servers? (pls)

[winged dome]

No official word, but probably a safe bet to say yes

[inner falcon]

thank god

[winged dome]

Especially since Official is just a small part of the overall playerbase

[inner falcon]

i just dont like how you have to buy ark and then pay more just to play a private server with ur friends

[stray elm]

That is most survival games

[winged dome]

With Ark1 you can at least host a dedicated session, but that's pretty cpu intensive

[stray elm]

Well, hopefully ASA has an option that fully removes tether for PC sessions.

[inner falcon]

i tried that but it doesnt work for me it only lets 1 person join the server at a time

[inner falcon]

sadly ^

[winged dome]

Mmhm. Haven't hosted too much but the times that I did the Tether kept getting in the way even with crazy increased range. Cave loading is bleh

[inner falcon]

wait is there a good way to host in Ark1?

[gloomy prawn]

Without paying?

[inner falcon]

yea, like hosting

[stray elm]

Kind of.
On pc you can host a non-dedicated server that can have up to (I believe) 5 players. But it has a tether distance.
You can increase it to a comical amount that it covers the whole map, so anyone can go anywhere. Only issue is, if the host goes into a cave/boss fight, everyone is forcefully teleported.

If it wasn't for that one issue, it'd be perfect.

[inner falcon]

alr idm everyone getting tp'd cause me and my friends usally just go together lol

[winged dome]

Time also doesn't pass while you're not playing, so raising babies can be a pain without boosted rates

[inner falcon]

ah yeah i understnad that

[stray elm]

Well, with the time thing that's why being able to control settings is key for a good single-player experience.
You can increase how fast babies are raised, and the percentage you give to babies when imprinted.

[inner falcon]

yeah

i just dont know how to make a server while making a non-dedicated server, as in my friends cant join the server its really confusing

[earnest pulsar]

Yes, hosting dedicated can be done quite easily, but it requires you to have a spare machine. I've hosted 10 maps, but that took two machines with 32GB RAM each. So long as you know how to port forward (and your isp allows it...) it is pretty easy and works well.

[inner falcon]

ah alr then, thanks for the info

[earnest pulsar]

Np. I learned by just Googling YouTube videos. Good luck!

[vernal glen]

About it, then i host game for my friend, he wasnt able to touch water like get in the cave. (The center)

[lime flare]

😟

[viscid nest]

are there any set relaese dates?

[vivid chasm]

Wildcard is saying it will be released in 2024 but I'm gessing it will be pushed another year or two.

[gloomy prawn]

Well if they have to split their time between ASA and working on that. I’m sure it will be pushed back, but it’s going to keep us busy like ark has over the passed 7-8 years. A shiny new toy while they finish phase 2

[tropic forge]

that really depends on how much more you have to do whit the same game and different graphics and maybe some changes but still you better be wake up this friday for the good news of ASA thats about to come

[swift scaffold]

I think everyone would be happier if they just continued working on the original game, than adding a sequel and a remake-

Like remove bugs and glitches, add more bosses and events in the world- cause creatures are enough tbh.

[harsh spear]

asa pvp will be so bad. only 2 maps and so many people want to come back to ARK to play pvp. most people hate scorched earth cuz of annoying sandstorms and heat so everyone is gonna be fighting for ice cave and carno cave.

[swift scaffold]

Cyberpunk did it- and it really brought the game back from the brink.

[harsh spear]

na i disagree. if they kept working on the original it wouldnt bring them further. ARK isnt suited for modern gaming setups. Low FPS even on high end pcs. so UE5 is definetly the right thing to do.

i just think they shouldve given ase owners a discount if thats possible

[tropic forge]

what you mean by low fps on high end pcs? cause pvp player build a shit ton of structures on purpose to lag so they wont be that much attack or is something else?

[winged dome]

Ark1 is pretty poorly optimized, UE5 changed how assets can be rendered so theres hopefully much less strain than UE4

[swift scaffold]

Tbh the single reason Ive had poor fps or lagged a lot is cause of multiple structures, or when Im spam dropping like a thousand entities.

And im playing on a laptop.

[tropic forge]

yet the poor fps ppl talk aint about the game itself but the ppl that create the lag for measuring 💄 or just really to create lag and sadly both applies to pve and pvp

i can speak for pve sadly kids that follow youtube baiters come to official servers and build castles only to after finish complain that official is very laggy and had to build another base that lags less but refusing to take down their "little" castles cause took to much trouble to make them

[harsh spear]

hmh na. i remember in ocean biom in gen 1 i had just about 24 fps with my 5700xt. ark is kinda old but the performance never got much better

[winged dome]

Gen1 Ocean is a great example of poor optimization killing overall performance

[tropic forge]

i had 1050ti and had around 60 fps and was only dual core 🤣

only place that really said wc fuck up really bad was on gen 2 boss where i would drop to 50-60 fps whit a 3090 and 12 core cpu

[tropic crag]

The game is unoptimized, if you argue otherwise you're either hard of sight or some other thing is wrong with you lol

But that's what ASA is for, no need to go back and fix the first game's problems (which can't be fixed, btw) and make the remake, that'd be stupid and unnecessary and costly.

Now, a discount for previous Ark 1 owners I can kinda get behind, if and only if they were shutting down the ability to play Ark 1 online, which they aren't, so I don't really see the need for it in that case (besides, it's only 60 USD for the whole game + all current DLC, if you can't afford that then maybe don't have such an expensive hobby?)

[blissful perch]

Gotta also remember that ASA was likely in direct response to a ton of people asking for ark 2 to be a repeat of ark 1

[winged dome]

Hard to forget when someone reminds us every other day 😂

[twilit sky]

Ark 2 otters when???!

[tropic crag]

It'd be sick if they just made them huge, no explanation, and gave them spikes like everything else

[tropic forge]

at this point be happy to have saladmander for a shoulder pet

[twilit sky]

That would be cute ngl

[tropic crag]

I can't stop saying "Huge. Spikey. OTTERS!" but like the one guy in Spongebob who says big meaty claws

(You know the one)

[fallow niche]

PLANT LIZARD??

[winged dome]

SALADMANDER!?

[tropic crag]

Oh no

[stray elm]

LIZARD

[fallow niche]

SALADMANDER

[stray elm]

I'm gonna be pissed if that thing is just an enviromental animal, and not tamable.

[fallow niche]

ME TOO

[tropic crag]

Saladmander better get it's fair shake on the orc planet

[fallow niche]

I'd love saladmander to be the creature id 😂

[tropic crag]

We've seen worse, like lionfishlion_BP lmao

[fallow niche]

That is adorable WHAT

[tropic crag]

That's the id for the Shadowmane lol

[fallow niche]

I know

You said it was WORSE

[covert ether]

3.141592654

[tropic crag]

I want pie now, for some reason

[fallow niche]

Wonder if there will be different IDs for the Aratai

ArataiBerserker or something

[tropic crag]

I'd hope so

[fallow niche]

Would be neat

[tropic crag]

I want that one youtube channel to do a big war with different types of Aratai

[fallow niche]

Rex_fluffiest_character_bp_c

[fallow niche]

Cantex?

[tropic crag]

Possibly, I don't really remember

[fallow niche]

There's others but cantex is the one I know off the top of my head

[tropic crag]

Various levels of fluff on the rexes would be a funny sight, probably hell to code for sharing spawn zones though I'd think

[fallow niche]

Babies need to be the fluffiest

[tropic crag]

Oh for sure

[fallow niche]

Fluffy saladmander like some plants

[tropic crag]

It just has like a head of lettuce around it's neck like a lion's mane 😂

[fallow niche]

YES

[winged dome]

Fluffiest Rex is just that overfloof'd Yuty from back in Ark1 early access 😂

[fallow niche]

[blissful perch]

Seems kinda easy tbh. The hard part (and by hard I mean ooof) would be the modeling and artistic work to make so many variants look and move well

It’s probably stupid easy to just say “rex pulls from model A X% and model B Y%”

But making models A and B might be pure pain lol. It takes a lot to make a new compelling set of creature visuals, especially if it goes above and beyond ark 1’s color palette approach

[tropic crag]

I just moreso meant it would be really similar names for the game to pull from and may cause issues (like half the things in Ark 1 being named mega-something, which is annoying to sift through even from the player end of things for stuff like spawn codes and fridge searches etc.)

[potent hull]

i got a idea for a dino for ab in asa i think a dino that we can tame that make Nameless Venom the same venom for the Rock Drake or a dino that make different
kinds of venom

[desert swallow]

I would make it so it has a better chance to get nameless venom when harvesting the nameless

[blissful perch]

Oh I assumed they’d have the same name. I suppose you could do the whole “X” thing again, but it wasn’t impossible to manage in ark 1

[gloomy prawn]

Being able to whistle a Dino to “pick up player/Dino” something without riding it.
And another whistle to “drop held Dino/player”

[potent hull]

is a idea for any one ho wants it

[blissful perch]

The smart megalo ai comes to mind

[tropic crag]

Yeah, just irritating in more ways than one I guess

I do think a creature well suited for gathering nameless venom is certainly a niche yet to be filled, so that's got my approval, as does AI tamed dinos picking up with and without player input

[blissful perch]

It feels a bit too niche to just be helpful for gathering nameless venom, but maybe some sort of material sniffer or something that grabs leech blood, venom and a few other spoilable resources better

[tropic crag]

Oh of course, no more one trick pony dinos lol

[potent hull]

lol

[potent hull]

like the idea

the dino can keep the venom for longer then it dos now

[tropic crag]

Also wouldn't mind your opinion on temporary tames, I think I mentioned it somewhere else but I think we should have 0 in Ark 2 because they are gatekept by the higher up tribes and are usually really bad for the game health imo @blissful perch

[blissful perch]

Temporary like titans or temporary like liopluridon? Imo two very different questions

[tropic crag]

Temporary tames, period

Titans and lio spawns both are able to be held by one tribe for the whole limit of the map they're on

As in, you can tame them repeatedly and stay the only tribe holding them if you get to them first

And if you leave them on they map they spawned in, it takes up the slot

[untold ingot]

Titans aren't gatekept

[blissful perch]

Imo they’re not the same. One is kind of a “map buff” tame and the other is a story progression (PvE) or massive temporary siege weapon (PvP)

[tropic crag]

One helps you get better loot with which to raid than other people can feasibly get, the other just straight helps you raid easier by a ridiculous amount, they're effectively the same in PvP

[untold ingot]

Both are useless tbh

[blissful perch]

I can’t support this because I despite mutation stacking as a premise

[untold ingot]

Would be cool, but hard to do

Mutation stacking is probably going to be a thing whether you like it or not lol

[tropic crag]

Which is the point of the convo here, if PvE were the point, it'd be useless to tame them in the first place for the most part (aside from maybe the lio, but again, there's little to no challenge in most PvE with just the base loot quality anyways if Ark 1 is anything to go off of)

[blissful perch]

They do fill different niches tho. The lio niche imo is better served by world events that offer changes to get rare resources or rewards for people who search for and take part in them. Similar to stumbling upon this rare creature and making use of it once tamed

For titans? I find them a developmental error. Cool mechanic for sure to keep in missions or other confined areas of gameplay, but they got silly in the open world context of ark 1…if you weren’t fighting people to get a chance to use them

[tropic crag]

I can't see this happening, as it would be far too much to put into a mechanic that I hope isn't in the game to begin with

[untold ingot]

Ark is designed as a longterm permanent world multi-player game. Mutation stacking or something similar is going to be a thing

[gloomy prawn]

If they can make Dino’s grow from eggs and slowly develop in size until adult,
They can make features slowly develop by % on a mutation. They would just need 10 features for like every Dino that could grow and visually mix together. *wishful cosmetics

[blissful perch]

That’s…not hilariously wrong, but not really true either Raq

[untold ingot]

The likelihood of it is extremely high

[tropic crag]

I thought it was a survival sandbox game... silly me

[sage dragon]

Are the official servers going to be crossplat form?

[tropic crag]

That's the word thus far, yes

[blissful perch]

Given how often it’s cited that the game’s content is breezed through…I thought it was obvious how much design went into the survival experience rather than the persistent multiplayer MMO experience

[tropic crag]

Unless you mean like Steam/Xbox/PS, in which case no, it's as it is with Ark 1

[blissful perch]

In ASA stacking is a certainty. But for ark 2 it would be a grave error to use such a sloppy system for pretty much any reason

(Even if for reasons that elude me and my understanding of ark 2 based on known information about a focus on primitive survival a “persistent MMO” is in fact the secret primary goal for ark 2)

[untold ingot]

Imo it would be a grave error to remove the system entirely. Altering it is necessary to fix the bugs in it and to make it more enjoyable, but it needs to be a thing

[blissful perch]

The cool part is that it doesn’t. ASA exists for people who need it to have fun

[untold ingot]

Pokémon exists for people that don't want it

[blissful perch]

It’s the single greatest threat to PvE balance, and it’s a really bizarre if not downright lazy way to gain PvP retention

Pokémon breeding is far superior to ark lol

And I agree pokemon and other RPGs should be where breeders should go. Keep people interested in survival in the ark series

[untold ingot]

The threat to pve balance is a bug in the code

[split dove]

It also exists for the crying people that don't like change

[tropic crag]

The threat to PvE balance is that the minute you breed out a creature, you can steamroll the AI

Just with imprint

[blissful perch]

I’m very supportive of ASA, despite me not being a personal big fan

[tropic crag]

That ain't a bug lol

[blissful perch]

It’s likely a huge boon to WC, so they can better cut ties to the shackles of ark 1 design without flipping off the entire dedicated base who may not want what ark 2 has to offer

[blissful perch]

Going above 20/20 IS a bug. However I dislike the entire system intrinsically and…also we’re all talking about stacking way above 20 anyway

[tropic crag]

Yeah, but refer to my above statement

[tropic crag]

This one

[blissful perch]

That’s true, but I’m a little nervous to wack basic breeding and imprinting

Even I have limits 😅

[tropic crag]

Imprinting needs to be toned down for sure, as does point gain per player invested point, you agreed on this in the past iirc

[split dove]

Little Timmy spent 8 hours glued to his virtual Dino, little Timmy's Dino now has 30% more dmg and dmg resistance than the exact same Dino in the wild

[tropic crag]

Basic breeding is intrinsic to the game, but not basic breeding leading to steamrolling the AI immediately after

[untold ingot]

I have already talked about fixes to that

[blissful perch]

Ah yes that’s true. But I do still think the imprint system at minimum should remain

[gloomy prawn]

That’s why I said cosmetic mutations per type instead of actual stat increases. You’d be breeding for looks not steamrolling the game.

[blissful perch]

I did argue for removing stat leveling on players and tames before so I can’t lie to you and say it’s not on my mind

[desert swallow]

The fixes are obvious. Don't make bred dinos so much better, reduce saddle armor, and make boss fights more interactive

[blissful perch]

You mean a 100% pivot from stats to appearances?

[gloomy prawn]

That’s what I was writing about earliar

That’s what I meant anyways

[blissful perch]

#bobs-with-probs or a recruitments channel

[tropic crag]

On the other end, I also don't like things being nerfed just because you tame them, like the wild giga vs tamed giga stats, probably one of the only creatures I can think of where you can't immediately turn around and kill a creature you just tamed one of

[blissful perch]

In that case I apologize for the misread. I’m not against it, but I do want to ensure mutations don’t alter the actual model of a creature…since I want model changes to represent real variants of creatures. But color mutations getting crazy imo is the best way to support mutations

[tropic crag]

It didn't come off via text that way, sounded more correlated and not replacing to me, apologies

[gloomy prawn]

It’s alright it was a lot to write, misleading

[tropic crag]

In that case, 100% for it, but again not something I see them doing as it's a lot of work for very little function

[untold ingot]

You would be surprised by how much people ignore the obvious

[gloomy prawn]

Idk I think it would be funny to max stack hunger mutation and have a fat ass Dino

[blissful perch]

All true. But getting to those outcomes takes thinking 🤷‍♂️. Which is what we’re doing

[tropic crag]

True, it would certainly have appeal in some circles of the playerbase in that regard 😂

[split dove]

Maxed food = -90% speed forever

[tropic crag]

And have done in the past, when we talked about this very same thing like 4 different times lol

[blissful perch]

The primary vacuum in design left by breeding is “what do end game ark players do with themselves long term” rather than anything else. The stats are the cherry on top that wound up screwing the entire game’s balance up lol

[desert swallow]

answer is obvious

loot boxes

[blissful perch]

If they weren’t illegal, for sure

😂😅

[split dove]

Genesis lootcrates

[gloomy prawn]

Yeah last time I buy a 35k loot crate form missions.

I got better from the normal loot drops

I drew the short end of the stick on those points for sure.

[gloomy prawn]

But that is a good question, cause do you give the ability for people and Dino’s to become god like?
Do you give people more cosmetics to collect and gather or breed for.
Missions to keep them busy, regardless everyone has a different preference and not everyone’s going to be happy.

[blissful perch]

Agree that this is a hard question to answer, and many people are split on it

[untold ingot]

Tamed dinos should be weaker, by far. But it's mainly the per stat level increment thst is the issue

[tropic crag]

They stated as much too, that some players aren't going to like 2, and that's ok

[untold ingot]

That and how saddles work

[gloomy prawn]

I hate the ability to become god like, as it ruins the survival aspect of the game I’m playing.

[blissful perch]

I’m always a fan of having endgame loot be about cosmetics or experiences or trophies rather than about raw stats that let you power trip

But some people love power tripping. It’s going to be a divisive issue

[blissful perch]

I mean…to a degree yes it’s the worst offender for sure. But having 5x higher base stats than the wild counterpart is also extremely dumb. Even 2x is dumb. And that can happen with 0 player levels or imprints

[gloomy prawn]

Even if I’m level 100 I want to still jump and run from a rex and not just tank it and not care.

[tropic crag]

That's why I hope the skill based combat means more than we currently know, and levels/stats are less effective at keeping you alive than pure skill is

[gloomy prawn]

Levels should be stuck unlocking engrams and better armor and better buildings and tools

[tropic crag]

I want the feeling of taking a raptor to a rex and killing it with my dodging like I'm naked running a dark souls boss

[gloomy prawn]

But not for stats

[untold ingot]

The issue there then is that dinos go from level 5 to level 150..., not the mutations

[tropic crag]

Levels are also an issue, yes

[blissful perch]

Yesss. Levels and progression should be about unlocking more stuff to explore and try out, and less about our scaling everything. Through there’s always a little of it in a survival game lol

[blissful perch]

Also an issue I cited. A raptor and a rex shouldn’t be evenly matched because one is 150 and one is 5

[tropic crag]

Not nearly as much as breeding though, which allows for the stats to be combined as such and get so ridiculous in the first place

[blissful perch]

A wild raptor should nearly always get smoked by a wild rex. Stat variation should support this

[untold ingot]

Just looking at the math, it's the level system that is the main issue, not mutations.

Simple as that

For balance in pve

[blissful perch]

It’s like asking if the root is worse than the tree. Without the mutations, player levels are a mild issue

A max leveled fresh tame is far weaker than a capped tame with no player levels

[gloomy prawn]

Maybe remove dinosaur levels as well.

[blissful perch]

Not against it, but those levels could also be tethered to skills in a skill tree or something that isn’t raw stats

[untold ingot]

And the difference between a 20 stack and a max level tame?

It's 2x. Not nearly as big an issue as the 10x that comes from player added levels

[blissful perch]

Let me rephrase. In an exponential relationship, do you blame the X value or the squared term? I’d blame both personally

That “10X” is a product of mutations AND levels. You know that

The effect of levels scaling with mutations means more mutations -> more broken player levels

[untold ingot]

Mutations for adding perks or visual changes is the direction I think it should go.

I am already against having a level system for dinos in the first okace

[gloomy prawn]

A raptor should be a raptor.
Yea have a skill tree for progression as you build a relationship and buy perks, but nothing overpowering and game breaking.

[blissful perch]

Skills should imo be all about lateral progression

[gloomy prawn]

If you want something bigger and stronger get a bigger and stronger Dino

[blissful perch]

It’s about “more tools” and less about “these tools are better, ditch your old ones”

[untold ingot]

The perks from mutations shouldn't necessarily be stat buffs, but they should be there

[tropic crag]

Something like adding climbing as an ability via a perk, which gives the visual model bigger claws/different claws would be nice for sure

Or a perk that changes the tail on the anky to be better at getting different resources perhaps

So there's less redundant tames in the game too

[blissful perch]

I’m also real suspicious of mutations being the driver for these skill points. I’d KILL for a species level “knowledge” system instead that’s tied to your character

[gloomy prawn]

“You’ve leveled up knowledge of certain dino by 5 points” now all Dino’s of that breed will be affected.

[blissful perch]

Perhaps have some level of variation in what you tame (IE maybe new tames have a unique and random set of starter skills), but ultimately your goal is to get better with “raptors” so that future raptors you tame retain that progress you earned while using your first raptor

Something like that yea

[gloomy prawn]

By using taming breeding hunting with traveling with you level up a knowledge base of that dino

[tropic crag]

So 100% down for that, your character actually learning about the dino and how to handle it

[blissful perch]

It would pair well with a dossier expansion

[untold ingot]

How would that work in a tribe scenario. And how does it add persistence?

[gloomy prawn]

Have tribe perks that everyone works towards increasing

[tropic crag]

Instead of just "oh I know the saddle now, I now know exactly what this does and can do all of the things on command"

[blissful perch]

🤷‍♂️ could be either way. You could scale the requirement to the number of people in the tribe, or have tribe and personal “proficiencies” that can be additive

[gloomy prawn]

Like leveling up your tribe level

[blissful perch]

There’s a LOT of persistence to add to a global RPG progression mechanic for every species in the game lol

[gloomy prawn]

That would keep you going

And having to tame and learn about them all “gotta catch them all”

[blissful perch]

Omg I’d love it

[gloomy prawn]

And just small perks.. “increase taming speed of raptors by 10%” type perk

[tropic crag]

I still think that idea a while back of us filling out the dossier as we reach certain benchmarks with a species was fucking spectacular

[blissful perch]

Ideally taming is kinda quick for most creatures

The difficulty lies in the execution rather than waiting around to tame it

[tropic crag]

I can see this, like you become well known in the raptor community because you're there taming/hunting/raising them all the time lmao I love it

Could have those type of perks be called like "Alpha ___ Tamer" or something

Damnit, now I want a taming skill tree again

[gloomy prawn]

A GIANT dino book and skills trees

[untold ingot]

Scaling by number of people in a tribe would be a bad Idea lol

[gloomy prawn]

Have a generic skill tree for survivors.
And you pick where you go to what you tame and increase

Weapons/taming/crafting.
With limited points by max level.
So to have max in everything you would need friends that are skilled in other trees

[untold ingot]

That scales great for sp, I don't see how it will scale for multi-player

[blissful perch]

In theory it could just be linked to each character, like normal exp

Although I’d like to see a tribal component added, it’s not required by any means. There’s plenty of reason in fact to NOT add RPG elements to tribes, since engrams tried that and had to be walked back

[untold ingot]

I gathered that... What I don't gather is exactly what you are proposing

[blissful perch]

A fairly standard survival game practice of improving a skill/knowledge type through use

Rather than general “exp” which is often farmed through the most effective means rather than through practice of the specific skill being leveled

[untold ingot]

How does it relate to dinos, and what does it have to do mutations

[blissful perch]

It replaces mutations

[untold ingot]

...

[blissful perch]

It relates to Dinos because it can be a method for getting “knowledge” about a species through interaction with it

Which can then be invested into skill points or other bonuses for that species

[untold ingot]

It takes common ground to have a conversation, I literally have no clue what you are proposing, and your explanations are literally the most generic statements in the chat lol

[blissful perch]

@tropic crag was there severe ambiguity in my proposal?

[untold ingot]

Alright, I am done with this conversation

[blissful perch]

It made sense to me - interact with a species -> get some form of specific experience point -> gain “species levels” -> spend on “species specific skills”

[tropic crag]

It's like gaining mining XP in RuneScape for, well, mining lmao

Not that hard to understand... or so I thought

[blissful perch]

It made sense to me from other RPGs lol so it was worth checking

[untold ingot]

That sounds like a vague idea, and I still don't k ow how it relates to mutations or multi-player

[gloomy prawn]

To unlock species specific engrams
Saddles/armor/skills

[blissful perch]

It relates to mutations because it entirely replaces both functions it served: it 1) adds longevity and 2) adds incremental progression metrics that are tied to the creatures in the game (that aren’t just raw stats)

[blissful perch]

I’d love to see those weaved into the system too for sure

[untold ingot]

It adds the longevity of leveling. But that's already a thing

I don't see how it replaces mutations. I see how it replaces the leveling and engram system

[blissful perch]

I’m creating a design hole by removing mutations in my “theorized ark 2”. This new system fills that hole

[untold ingot]

It links all progress to the character, and ark is notorious for losing characters

[gloomy prawn]

I just see it worth it, you have to build a relationship and knowledge of a creature before you can unlock a perk to purchase a saddle for such.
And instead of stats, add the ability to reinforce a saddle or make leg armor or head armor for it.

[blissful perch]

By that logic linking progress to tames that can be shot through the mesh, lost in transfer, or killed through extremely questionably buggy means is equally stupid

[gloomy prawn]

The better acquainted you are with a species the better the perks.

[blissful perch]

The inherent assumption is that characters work

[true fox]

These sound like incredibly complex mechanics to code and store

[blissful perch]

I mean…other games already do this

It’s extremely common in RPGs to have this sort of thing

[untold ingot]

Not going to lie, this sounds like a system I have already talked about before, but it doesn't fill the niche of mutations

[blissful perch]

I can assure you it’s not been discussed here before. I’m happy to be proven wrong by a quote from an earlier chat, but I only recall your suggestion of moving mutations to unlocking skills instead of stats

[untold ingot]

It is a replacement of leveling for engrams in exchange for a more interactive leveling approach. It still doesn't replace mutations. It replaces player leveling

[blissful perch]

The species knowledge would unlock both saddles and the like AND skills for the creatures themselves

It would entirely replace mutations and act to replace the engrams/leveling as they pertained to creatures (which fixes the huge pain in the butt engram sink that saddles act as in ark 1)

[untold ingot]

And all of this is linked to a character.

[blissful perch]

Yes

[untold ingot]

And owning a cave was gatekeeping? Lmao

[tropic crag]

What in the world...

[untold ingot]

That seems like a terrible idea for ark not going to lie

[tropic crag]

Because it's linked to the character, and not the dino itself? Is that correct? Also very strange to bring up gatekeeping in something tied to the character that is intrinsic to the player and their efforts, as opposed to something like a base spot which players have little to no (if any) permanent control over

[blissful perch]

I’m just not sure I grasp the gatekeeping thing either. You’re gonna need to elaborate

[tropic crag]

Like we say in DayZ, you don't own that AKM you found, it's just your turn with it, same with Ark base spots imo

[untold ingot]

People trap others characters. And for a late game fight this would be even worse for a new player than mutation stacking would be

Fights between players would boil down to who spent the most time with their dinos.

I could see it working in pve or sp, but this isn't a pve only game

[blissful perch]

…uh what?

[untold ingot]

What do you want me to clarify lol

[gloomy prawn]

I get it

[blissful perch]

How is this different from mutations, which are also people who spent tons of time with dinos

[blissful perch]

How does this result in the loss of a character linked progression system

[untold ingot]

Because currently cryos exist and you can steal dinos. Or you can trade lines.

[gloomy prawn]

Imo remove everything past riot gear. I don’t think the game needs anything tek related.

[tropic crag]

...You can't steal a character under the confines of what WC set as the rules of the game, unless you break those rules and hack tho

[blissful perch]

No tek tier in ark 2 agrees

[untold ingot]

You can cage them indefinitely though

Or their character gets deleted during a server restart, or any number of things

[gloomy prawn]

That happened to me on official servers constantly

[frank grove]

it'll come to later end game of ark 2 i bet lol

[blissful perch]

I pray not. So far so good given the talk of ark 1 style tek not being really meant for player use ever again

[gloomy prawn]

Tek gear makes players godlike in game. Being able to just fly away or super punch or use a rail gun.

I enjoyed the game before tek, and wouldn’t miss it if it disappeared.

[untold ingot]

Having something like that I would see as a great addition to a modified mutation system, not as a replacement

[true fox]

IMHO it’s the super Dino’s that actually make you more powerful

[gloomy prawn]

I think an armor branch in a generic skill tree. Letting you level up +5%/10%/15% durability to your armor.
And another little branch adding +5/10/15% armor rating to you armor
Would be enough

Armor YOUR character wears receive this bonus. Not the armor itself.

[untold ingot]

Ark2 already has different types of armors

Based on a component type crafting that gives perks or something from the components

[gloomy prawn]

Nice.

[tropic crag]

Doesn't mean there couldn't be what he proposed...

I like it tbh

[gloomy prawn]

I’m saying like a character tied perks towards a generic survivor tree.
Like we would level up a species skill tree to improve a species.

[tropic crag]

But that species is human! Hell ye

[untold ingot]

I don't have an issue with that idea. Only the concept that it replaces mutations lol

[gloomy prawn]

Not armor itself but perks tied to your survivor depending how you spend your points to improve armor/weapons/crafting

[untold ingot]

Basically a redo of the crafting skill mechanic

[gloomy prawn]

Yea

Instead of crafting skill and crafting tree where you choose what you are good in crafting

[tropic crag]

When did he say it replaces mutations? It's armor related, quite obviously...

[blissful perch]

Oh. I did say it replaced mutations

[gloomy prawn]

I would say more like Skyrim , you improve the perks to improve your armor rating or armor when wearing a certain type of armor

[blissful perch]

I said that species knowledge would lead to creature skill points (in addition to armor and saddles) that could replace mutations

[untold ingot]

Read the rest of the chat. It was obvious

[tropic crag]

No, the armor thing Viking just suggested

[blissful perch]

AH. Yea that’s his thing, I haven’t said anything on it lol

[untold ingot]

That's not even what I was referring to in any case lol

[gloomy prawn]

To many conversations at the same time. Lol

I wouldn’t replace mutation but like I said earlier id remove the stat points and just make it cosmetic, or have a limit to 20 mutations and every 5 mutations in a given category gives you a perk. Like added bleed effect, defense rating, water breathing etc. depending where you mutated.

[untold ingot]

I think mutations should be perk based, like entirely perk based

[blissful perch]

I’m very down for the cosmetic only mutations approach. Pretty colors are pretty. Would be cool to even have some colors be more rare than others to add trophy hunting

[gloomy prawn]

I agree

[untold ingot]

Cosmetic only mutations are worthless

[gloomy prawn]

Not completely perk based but remove stat and add perks

[untold ingot]

There is no point in doing them

[blissful perch]

To you maybe. Ark isn’t always about you though. I’ve had to concede that

[gloomy prawn]

Perk/cosmetic

[untold ingot]

Yeah, something along that line

[untold ingot]

Please explain to me the value of a cosmetic only mutation?

[blissful perch]

Do I need to explain the value of a wooden castle?

[untold ingot]

That literally removes the longevity of breeding

[blissful perch]

Or people who sell color variations on the market?

Some people just like stuff that looks different. Simple as

[gloomy prawn]

I mean let’s say cosmetically your Dino grows spikes over stacking ATK mutations,
At 5 ATK mutations add Bleed to attacks
At 10 ATK mutations add reflect damage from these spikes that are growing cosmetically.
Etc idk just throwing it out there

[untold ingot]

Yes, so we should remove the gameplay of having mutations in favor of colors. Sounds great

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I think this is a better approach than the color variation approach

[tropic crag]

How, if it takes the same amount of time to get a cool purple that it does to get max mutations? Just because it doesn't make your dino hit harder?

[untold ingot]

You get that most people don't breed for specific colors right?

[gloomy prawn]

People breed for god complex

[tropic crag]

And Ark 2 won't be for everyone, hence ASA

[blissful perch]

I'm gonna ask a real simple question here. Do you think that ANY longevity concept that replaces mutations is inferior?

[tropic crag]

You understand that I'd imagine

[untold ingot]

Here is to hoping it is for me then, and not for you lol

[untold ingot]

If it is not Dino related then probably yes

[tropic crag]

Well that's the rub, who is it going to be for? The signs thus far point to not Ark 1 fans lol

[blissful perch]

If it's not BREEDING related? or not dino related?

[untold ingot]

With the changes stated as being the combat and camera. Not the breeding

[gloomy prawn]

If it’s non of those what we mutating

[blissful perch]

I've suggested numerous ways that dinos and players can experience variation and longevity over the years. But none of them involve repeated breeding. All seem to be "inferioir" to the existing system

Is that understanding correct?

[untold ingot]

The most recent one didn't replace it. It replaced leveling

[blissful perch]

In your head alone it didn't replace it

[untold ingot]

Your other source of opinion on the matter was bruising....

[blissful perch]

your source was...your previous statements. I can rely on my own for a similar level of support. Regardless, I outlined the systematic progression of creatures through this system, and how that would replace mutation's design niche (which is a systematic progression system for creatures)

[tropic crag]

And now he's going to resort to insults, very good

[untold ingot]

I seriously don't understand why you are so dead set against breeding being useful lol

[tropic crag]

I'm out, gonna eat dindin

[blissful perch]

I've only stated my reasoning for what? 3 years now?

[untold ingot]

And yet every idea I have presented that fixes your concerns you toss aside, because you just don't like breeding lol

[gloomy prawn]

I enjoy breeding my Dino’s, as it’s a cool aspect, and breeding should have some sort of perk. Just not a game breaking one.

[blissful perch]

if they addressed or even began to acknolwedge my concerns, I wouldn't be tossing them. But they all boil down to 1) the afk sim 2) the power creep or 3) the mechanically empty gameplay being front and center again

[untold ingot]

And yet everyone else seems to like the idea.

[blissful perch]

all 0 people yes

it's 99% you and me for these

[untold ingot]

Throw bruising in with his clown emojis and "you're an absurdist" statements and that about sums it up.

[desert swallow]

I think it's time we take a break and go breed irl

[gloomy prawn]

And what perks do we get from that? Not like gestation period is a couple days and the kid will be an adult and out the house in a couple more. Jkjkjk

[desert swallow]

Kid may get a stat mutation, get enough of those and you break society.

[gloomy prawn]

And they can take care of me when I’m old

[desert swallow]

That's if you aren't wiped before then.

[gloomy prawn]

Agreed.

[untold ingot]

I think a perk based breeding system is a great concept, and it's one I hope to see in ark2

[blissful perch]

I think a species based progression system that encourages interaction with different creatures in the world is a great concept to replace mutations, and it's one I hope to see in ark 2

[gloomy prawn]

Even if it’s another damn skill tree…
Under Breeding
+5% melee damage to bred Dino’s. Etc

With like 50 available perks but only like 25 stat points available to use in the tree so you pick how you breed “all Dino’s” in general.
And have species specific perks through knowledge system +5% dmg to bred raptors. Etc.

Idk there could be 100 ideas

[blissful perch]

the actual perks or skills have a myriad of possibilities

[gloomy prawn]

And it’s gives 100% customization to your play style and Dino’s you like

Works better in tribes I would assume, tribes would want to have different survivors increased in perks in different categories for boss fights or pvp or building.

[blissful perch]

there's a lot of options that can very quickly get lost in the weeds

I'd argue most skills should be abilities or castable rather than passive stats tho

[untold ingot]

Sure, but it's not a replacement

[gloomy prawn]

A good mixture of skills/perks/passives would be perfect. I just didn’t want to think to hard

[blissful perch]

agree. Imo we don't know enough about ark 2 to get in the weeds

[gloomy prawn]

They have a long time before launch, anything is possible

Who knows what will be added or changed, or scrapped

[blissful perch]

well I'm sure for every 1 thing we see a dozen or more are being tried, added, and scrapped

[untold ingot]

I would imagine they have a pretty fleshed out idea of what they want, and not much time to change a lot

[blissful perch]

at the zoomed out level yes

[gloomy prawn]

Yeah they probably have a goal or stream lined idea of what the y want for an end result

[blissful perch]

I suspect most of the micro is in heavy flux

[untold ingot]

What we are discussing is the zoomed out level for the most part

[gloomy prawn]

And this is just what we would like to see

We might actually like whatever they end result at

And if I don’t like ark 2 I’m sure I’ll still be happy with ASA

[frosty herald]

Ark2 gonna have official servers?

[vernal glen]

Its a secret

[frosty herald]

wym? I cant know?

[desert swallow]

you specifically? no

[mint swan]

Will the game be free for atleast a week after its released?

[winged dome]

No?
Why would you think this?

[winged dome]

Very likely, but no official confirmation yet

[verbal wind]

a game being free during launch week is a good way to make next to no money on said game

[turbid escarp]

Though perhaps It'll be on Gamepass during launch?

[split dove]

it was said to be a day 1 gamepass launch
''ARK 2 will launch in 2023, simultaneously on Steam Early Access and as a console launch exclusive for Xbox Series X|S and with Xbox and PC Game Pass on Game Preview.''

[winged dome]

Last I checked, gamepass is a subscription service

[minor frigate]

Do you think they'll make ceratopsians not ass in Ark 2

[verbal wind]

i hope Trike is better

i hate that they made it so low tier in Ark

[minor frigate]

they said something about the trike being much better in Ark 2 on twitter

[verbal wind]

but KBD at least made it mid-late tier

[minor frigate]

it should be much bigger and be able to stand to rexes

[verbal wind]

KBD increases its size and stats by 50%

[minor frigate]

Needs a better model too

[verbal wind]

i think the model is fine

[minor frigate]

i dont like how they keep making ceratopsians elephants with trike skulls

the feet are not supposed to look like that lol

[verbal wind]

they look pretty much like most modern mockups that I see

the big difference is the ark trike has more of a styracosaurus-like frill, with the added spikes

[winged dome]

Feet, uh ... aren't usually the things I look at when it comes to creatures - but the world takes all kinds I guess

Whatever floats your Shinehorn

[minor frigate]

No one was thinking this except you

[desert swallow]

There's a reason they allow you to go prone on your stomach in ark

[minor frigate]

Im talking about paleoaccuracy, which i dont really expect in ARK tbf, but you're just being vile

[desert swallow]

me thinks you protest too much.

[minor frigate]

what

[winged dome]

You're the one who brought it up 😂

[minor frigate]

I'm talking about the creature design, you put it in a disgusting direction man

[desert swallow]

we're not the one who stares at dino feet all day

[minor frigate]

this is why people don't like discord

[verbal wind]

well, it's said in the notes and such that the animals we see in Ark aren't actually the exact species we're familiar with

the Arks took some liberties with each species

[minor frigate]

Yeah thats why I don't expect it to be accurate

But I do think that if they use that as an excuse to make creatures look different, the designs should be inspired and not boring

[desert swallow]

atleast give them a pedicure right?

[verbal wind]

most of the designs look good to me

[minor frigate]

I hope this brings you more joy than the lord provides to your sorry life

[verbal wind]

things like the gallimimus definitely needed TLC at some point

and the plesi

[winged dome]

Whew boy, someone took things way too seriously 😂

Personally, with the exception of some low quality models in some of the earlier creatures, I don't really have an issue with any specific design choices

[minor frigate]

Those are some that could really use tlc

[verbal wind]

and the megalosaurus could have used a few more revisions. the muttonchops kinda look silly

[desert swallow]

You're saying foot fetish jokes provide more joy then the almighty?

[minor frigate]

I think trikes fit that category, and pachys too

[minor frigate]

apparently so you wont give over about it

[desert swallow]

The lord speaks through me

[winged dome]

Might wanna get those voices checked out 👍

[minor frigate]

I'm just asking you to be respectful bro

accusing people of that is jsut weird

[split dove]

every ark player is a schizo

[desert swallow]

Some people call it schizophrenia. Others call it a divine gift.

[split dove]

others call it mental ilness

[winged dome]

Trike is passable for me, only issue I have is its cracked out shifty eyes. Poor guys always look super on edge

[minor frigate]

This is what I get for seeking a civil discussion about dinosaurs designs

[minor frigate]

Hopefully the shift to UE5 gives us better models all round

[desert swallow]

They have a chance to update models. But that might be a fair bit of work for them in the short amount of time they've given themselves

[verbal wind]

yeah i don't see much wrong with trike design

the frill is exaggerated but it looks nice still

[desert swallow]

I think the giga model needs a lot of work. It looks like a giant potato.

[verbal wind]

i just wish it was bigger. they're supposed to be near elephant size

[winged dome]

Reasonably believable is good enough for me for the most part. I can look at it and say, 'Yep. That there's a Trike'

[minor frigate]

suffers from the same design choices as the JP/JW trike imo

[verbal wind]

i like the giga's walk cycle

[minor frigate]

maybe if its not your favourite dino..

[verbal wind]

it's very bird-like in the head bob

[minor frigate]

That thing is awful, might need visual tlc the most out of any creature

[winged dome]

Plesiosaur, Mosasaur, and Phiomia say hello

[desert swallow]

Phiomia is cute

[verbal wind]

phio has been nothing more but a source for meat and hide for me

[desert swallow]

but the devs never expected anyone to actually go that deep in the water to see those awful models

[verbal wind]

mosa isn't terrible

[winged dome]

Definitely true for the Island 😂

[verbal wind]

plesi is bad

[winged dome]

Mosa is so bland and chonky

[verbal wind]

plesi looks like they had a first draft and never bothered going farther

[winged dome]

Also has like no color zone variation

Mosas are all either all white, or all black - there's no inbetween

[verbal wind]

ark devs forgot the plesi existed lol

basil and mosa both got dlc variants later

plesi never got touched

[desert swallow]

they should have made it so the best stuff was deep under the water and rare. Would actually give a reason to go down there.

[verbal wind]

black pearls

[desert swallow]

And yes, the island under water is terrible. They didn't bother finishing it and it shows

[winged dome]

It used to be - only place for black pearls and oil

[verbal wind]

at least on the island they're much easier to find down deep

[winged dome]

But updates and feature creep happened

[verbal wind]

oil you could get from beetles

[desert swallow]

was the oil rocks in the arctic biome a thing at launch on island?

[winged dome]

Not any reasonable amount

[desert swallow]

I didn't play right at launch

[winged dome]

No, there was no ice biome

No ice, swamp, redwoods

[verbal wind]

i forget if snow was added same time as volcano/tek cave

or if snow came first

[winged dome]

Snow was first I believe. Volcano was there, but it was just a dormant crater full of metal and obsidian. No lava or cave

[desert swallow]

that sounds like early access build

[winged dome]

Real OGs remember Bronto Valley 👍

[desert swallow]

anyways, point still stands, there is very little reason to go under water, and I saw a poll, can't seem to find it, but most players never go into the water on their play through.

[verbal wind]

the island ocean needs both more and less

more features, and much, much, much less huge rock spikes sticking out that just get in the way

[winged dome]

Just for the Island, yeah there not much point besides Artifact caves - both of which can be done pretty easily without a dedicated tame

[verbal wind]

the east ocean cave is nuts

the overspawn is real

[winged dome]

But bigger ocean maps like the Center, Rag, Crystal Isles, and Gen1 it's worth getting your feet wet with places to explore

[verbal wind]

especially on the center, i love just how deep down it gets

[desert swallow]

What is the word with Center and ASA?

[verbal wind]

should come out at some point

[winged dome]

None yet. I hope it gets a tune up or a creature to call its own, but the devs skipped right to Rag

[verbal wind]

center is still favorite map

[winged dome]

Underrated for sure

[desert swallow]

We should campaign for a water creature on center

it would fit the deep oceans it has

[verbal wind]

some more fish diversity would be nice

or something more between ichthy and megs

would be interesting to see ichthys of various sizes. there were some species that got bigger than mosas

[winged dome]

Beeg fish

[desert swallow]

there's also the now extinct whales. The leviathan. Carnivorous whales.

[winged dome]

With water tames, there's already a lot of overlap and not much room for filling a niche.

Ichys and Mantas fill the quick travel mount role

Megalodon, Baryonyx, Sarco, Plesio fill the mid size brawler

Beaver, Dunky, and Angler fill the harvester role (but underwater resources are bleh. If you're seriously harvesting metal with a Dunk then you're doing several things very wrong)

Basilos, Mosa, and Tusos make the apex

We even have 'pretty cool when wild, but loses all relevance when tamed for whatever reason' Electrophorus!

[desert swallow]

how about one that can burrow under the surface so we can create a stash in the water that can't be found by a parasaur?

[verbal wind]

you can build a small base on a plesi or mosa

[desert swallow]

ya but hidden, like a reaper

[winged dome]

Risky. They wiggle so much, players just phase through any walls you have

[desert swallow]

burrow under the ground

[verbal wind]

ah

so more like purlovia

[desert swallow]

ya

[winged dome]

Plus agro radius of wild creatures in water is 5 miles, so you need a dedicated pen/base anyway to keep them safe

Giant Moray could be cool, and fit the bill for burrowing stash

I also just really want a rideable Eel

Could double as organic defense. Maybe lash out and cause a bleed, and retreat into its burrow if hurt so they won't die from a Piranha that got lost

[rancid harness]

This man will have fert while all we have is raw meat and hide
Huge brain plays

[winged dome]

Keratin, Chitin, and Pelt too - but no match for the Fert gang

[tropic forge]

damn no love for the poor sarco

[winged dome]

Sarco is included 🤔

[nova sonnet]

server is now marked as nsfw

everyone abandon hope... it will only get worse from here

[stray elm]

How so?

[nova sonnet]

it came to me in a dream

[stray elm]

Okay, so bullshit.

[nova sonnet]

the subconcious is the most valued source of information

[winged dome]

Some would argue YouTube is

[nova sonnet]

the brain is infinitely times better once you unlock its full potential

[rancid harness]

Why unlock your own when you can pull from millions of others?

Much more efficient.

[nova sonnet]

because you cannot fully dictate their thoughts

[winged dome]

Million of brain > just one brain

[rancid harness]

Every how-to YT video is an engram, change my mind

[winged dome]

Can you?

[nova sonnet]

after rigorous training my brain has evolved to imagine endless scenarios, what can happen, what will happen, and the outcomes of it all. I know everything. I know how it all plays out. I can never lose if I always know how to lose, meaning I know how to win. no living creature can fathom the complexity of my brain

[winged dome]

And I can tell it not to think about Elephants - but what do you imagine in that almighty brain of yours?

Elephants

[rancid harness]

xD

[nova sonnet]

I am beyond elephants

you baseless tricks don't work on me

I even developed a vaccine for the grimace pandemic

[rancid harness]

He said elephants.
He processed the word.
We got him boys.

[nova sonnet]

dang nabbit!

i reverted to my original self for a moment

[winged dome]

Doesn't matter, still Elephant'd

[desert swallow]

It was @minor frigate 's fault. Started talking about feet.

[minor frigate]

Tf outta my mentions

[hollow chasm]

when this comin out

[winged dome]

Ark2 end of 2024

[prisma epoch]

[untold ingot]

Lol, the subconscious is what makes you dream, and most dreams are nonsense. I would say the subconscious has little information of value.

Unless you are a neuroscientist

[untold ingot]

Yeah, but as a source of information it's not worth anything

Unless you are studying it

[desert swallow]

Your subconscious is literally where everything you hear, smell, see, touch, taste is stored, most of which isn't important in your day to day. It's full of information and is retrieved by your conscious mind. That's why under hypnosis stuff can be retrieved that you have had difficulty remembering.

And.... we don't fully understand the brain so to say such a broad statement as "it's not worth anything" is well... stupid.

[twilit sky]

Will there be dreams in ark 2?

[desert swallow]

Only the dream of it being released one day

[mint swan]

only crushed ones

[twilit sky]

https://tenor.com/view/mlem-blanket-hug-blankie-otter-sea-otter-gif-23690782

[mint swan]

is that a casteroides

[mint swan]

I hope this game releases before Star Citizen

[tropic crag]

Star Citizen is never releasing as it's a scam, so I think that's a pretty safe bet to call

[primal hornet]

there are many of this non sense but it is greatest scam i know in gaming industry

[final token]

When is ark 2 coming out

[stray elm]

End of 2024

[verbal wind]

maybe

[true fox]

Ark2 is so incomplete at this point, that the correct answer is always this year + 1

Star Citizen is the new no mans sky hypetrain

[tropic crag]

New? Star Citizen was announced (and monetized excessively predatorily) long before No Man's Sky was even in development

[true fox]

By New I meant the hype train has been in full gear lately

No idea why

[tropic crag]

Not really, just the yearly new round of suckers they always get that hype up the game to others, it happens every year around this same time

It's just an endless cycle of players hyping up others to buy the game so they don't feel like they wasted their money to make the game feel more alive

But this is way off topic and Ark 2 won't be anything like SC, so...

[true fox]

Yeah, I am pretty sure ark2 will release at some point

[desert swallow]

Star Citizen is a new religion. 2000 years from now people will be talking about the coming of Star Citizen as the prophecy foretold!

[tropic crag]

Nah, it's all about the Far God and Raxxla my guy

[cunning robin]

Amboutablow

[tropic forge]

nope it will change the order, ark 2 comes first than ASA

[sour needle]

We HOPE there ll be early access 🙂

[lime forge]

I’m gonna be a little disappointed if a rework has EA…..

You already made the game once.

[true fox]

Early Access is just paying to be a beta tester for a bug ridden game

I expect nothing, so I'm less disappointed

[mint swan]

It’s a 50/50 thing I thought the same way but someone made a point to me.with EA you get the chance to fix some bugs and test more things .but the bad players also do too sadly..it’s some people that they will use that to there advantage and look for exploits and keep them to themselves till release .or game hackers who can get a early look at the files to make cheats ect

[blissful perch]

That’s the advantage of open EA…the game is “out” earlier, and it’s not like the issues you described can be prevented

[desert swallow]

Devs should realize pvp community will try everything in PVP.

[winged dome]

Anyone else get bamboozled by the announcement post? Be honest 😂

There was an @ for ArkNews

[fallow niche]

You dont have the ark news role from id:customize

[desert swallow]

I'm soaking in the tub sipping on some fine wine that my great uncle hector brought back from Naples. Thinking about @worldly garden 's latest video and the potential for more visually appealing dinosaur models. When all of a sudden my mobile device notifies me of a discord notification. See previously I have had the wherewithal to create a custom notification sound for just such an event. I flung myself up from the tub, and ran to the device. However, in my haste water splashed everywhere and I slipped out of the tub the moment my foot hit the floor. My momentum caused me to slip across the floor, out the bathroom door, and down the stairs. With my leg broken I crawled my way to the phone to only discover, that it is not a CC announcement, but a vile Nintendo Switch notification that is not worthy of existence. Thank you Wildcard.

[winged dome]

Bit harsh.
Switch Bros are Ark Bros too

[tropic crag]

Switch Ark is good fun, even if I don't have it and possibly never will unless it becomes free (I already know everything that is essential to know from the exclusive mode, hence not needing to play it myself)

[south lance]

switch users are mobile users without the trial by fire

[tropic crag]

Switch users are mobile users but not cringe and riddled with Microtransactions lol

[frosty orbit]

A community crunch is coming today ?

[winged dome]

A community crunch is coming today

[stray elm]

They do every Friday

[cerulean scaffold]

Yeah the bigger one yet

They will anounce Asa oficial release date and the changes that will come with Asa, maybe a trailer aswell if we are lucky

[tropic forge]

yeh maybe if youre lucky a delay too 🤣

[orchid bloom]

if were lucky it will only be a few weeks of delay 😀

[rotund stratus]

Wild card has been the most inconsistent gaming company I have ever seen so I am banking on a delay because they cant for the life of them give an accurate release window lol although I will give them credit if they do delay because at least its a little more than a month before the release window which is improvement from their history lol

I guess they are just trying to live true to their name haha

[winged dome]

A delay would be more consistent than an on-time release 😂

[blissful perch]

I’ve actually been extremely impressed with the shift in PR and a lot of other issues in response to feedback

I want to say so again lol to highlight that in the older days WC would give a specific day, whiff it, then…sometimes whiff it again without a whole lot more than a “whoops sorry”, and now there’s far better balancing of expectations and honest communication about uncertainty

The sooner a delay is called the better imo

[winged dome]

That's why I still think the Ark2 announcement was wild. Went from 'next revealed content will be gameplay' to 'no gameplay until 2024'

[rotund stratus]

Assss expected a delay haha

[winged dome]

October, called it 🍻

[stray elm]

Welp, I was half right.

No Scorched on launch.

[winged dome]

Is it related to Ark2?

Likely in some capacity, but probably not for players to use - at least directly or long term. More of a focus on primitive technology

[blissful perch]

So far the consensus is that ark 2 won’t have the “tek tier” ark 1 has

[stray elm]

No

Confirmed no usable tek in ARK-2.

[winged dome]

Take it to #general

[stray elm]

English please

[split dove]

It has been a noticeable improvement compared to like last year and before that

[winged dome]

As a cheap ass gamer, no complaints here. Delay was expected and price cut is a bonus

[desert swallow]

The cast from my broken leg should be off by October. So that's a bonus!

[main vigil]

Hopefully it stays with one delay and it will release in October

[copper grove]

at this rate, I don't think so

[ionic meteor]

With no gameplay footage revealed anytime soon, I'd say you won't be playing this game this october, probably november or december

[serene onyx]

Its gonna end up like ark 2 delay after delay

[burnt hinge]

Every ark DLC*

[serene onyx]

Im pretty sure there was one dlc that wasn’t delayed right?

[burnt hinge]

Wild card us easily the worst gaming company to ever exist(not a joke lmao), ever DLC they've made they delay

Gen 1 gen 2 and ext were all delayed

And every map they've made has broken the pvp side of the game, the devs cant patch simple spots on maps that you can literally walk into the mesh

Which are all over YT

[winged dome]

Only DLC on time was Scorched Earth because it was a suprise

[stray elm]

Saying they're the worst gaming studio is pretty childish if you know what other studios have done.

Blizzard flat out broke basic human-rights.

[winged dome]

Yeah, WC is far from the worst

[stray elm]

I'd say Wildcard are more 'idiots' are 'overambitious' then 'bad'

[burnt hinge]

Broke human rights on a video game LMFAO, Stay the victim of your life buddy

[blissful perch]

Some devs straight up sold scam products lol

[stray elm]

Blizzard has confimred harrasment cases towards their female staffs.

[blissful perch]

Don’t forget studios that sold games that were either 1) viruses or 2) flat out not the promised product

[burnt hinge]

Have you seen what the publishers are doing with ark XD

[blissful perch]

I can’t call anything WC does a scam knowing some devs released games that intentionally trap you until you can’t refund on steam anymore XD

[burnt hinge]

A few select d-bags at a gaming company doesnt mean the entire company is full of horrible people

Its like the whole nickmercs situation lmfao

[burnt hinge]

Bro they literally spawn stuff in on their servers and sell it to people posing as players for $

[stray elm]

And so this automatically applies to Wildcard caaaause....why?
Just cause of the higher-managments poor time management means the whole studio is bad?
Your logic also applies to Wildcard.

[stray elm]

That's SnailGames

[burnt hinge]

Im well aware lmfao

As far as creating and managing video games they are by far the worst

[blissful perch]

That’s admin abuse on officials. Not good, but it’s also not a scam

[burnt hinge]

That was my point

Not your political victim BS

[stray elm]

Also, those where SnailGames admins. Not Wildcard admins.

[blissful perch]

They could shut officials down overnight and still not scam anyone, because the ark product isn’t sold as official

[burnt hinge]

Wildcard owns the game and is associated with them lol

[stray elm]

Actually, they don't.

[burnt hinge]

You dont think in the slightest they have a hand in it ???

[stray elm]

SnailGames owns the legal rights to both Wildcard and ARK

[blissful perch]

It’s true that snail needs to behave to not leave a bad image on WC

[burnt hinge]

So snail games is WC...

Thats literally what you just said

[stray elm]

When?

[burnt hinge]

...

[stray elm]

Just cause Microsoft bought Bethesda, doesn't make them the same studio.

[burnt hinge]

They "own wildcard and the rights"

[stray elm]

Correct.

[burnt hinge]

So they are associated with WC...

Literally directly XD

taking you awhile to find a come back from that huh?

[stray elm]

They own Wildcard, but leaked text-messages have shown that Jeremy has stepped up a few times and told SnailGames to 'fuck off'

[burnt hinge]

No, its called an anology...

[stray elm]

A poor one

[burnt hinge]

Learn english... i never compared the 2

Stay a victim, im out

[stray elm]

Bye. 👋

@blissful perch That was interesting

[blissful perch]

Eh

Not abnormal for someone unfamiliar with corporate structure. It’s not exactly intuitive

[tropic forge]

"Our plan is to show gameplay close to the launch of ASA, as that’ll be when it’s completely ready and best represent the final product" "ARK: Survival Ascended will leave Early Access in late 2024 once all the content has finished its next-generation remastering."

[blissful perch]

It’s also true that snail speaks for WC and vice versa tho. If snail is admin abusing on servers, it’s gonna make WC’s credibility look bad

[stray elm]

Quick Google search solves a lot of confusion

[tropic forge]

what a complet noobs those guys are, what a fuck fest on that cc

[blissful perch]

They delayed the shut down of officials tho

Someone is out there celebrating

[stray elm]

Not many

Seems like more people in general would rather have it shut down still in August. Cause now it feels wasted.

[tropic forge]

can ppl start begging for wc not to share news instead, cause they have no clue what they are typing

[stray elm]

I'd like to keep up to date with the development stuff. But I agree that release-dates need to be purely a last-step thing

[blissful perch]

I’ve asked for broad dates for years, and it’s finally happening. It’s a good time

[tropic forge]

its gonna be delay again, ASA aiont coming this year

[blissful perch]

Who cares tho?

[south lance]

thats early access end

[blissful perch]

It comes out when it’s ready

[south lance]

its still releasing as a game you can buy this october

oh ya mean that

yeah idk i hope this is the last delay

[stray elm]

Yeah, with it coming out in early-access. There might be hope for the October release date, but I'm not betting on it.

[tropic forge]

btw is ASA the first in videogame history to be EA as Remaster?

[blissful perch]

If you purchase a game and they keep kicking the release date back it becomes a bit scammy. But that’s not what happened here. If you can’t buy it yet in any capacity there’s no obligation to do anything

[south lance]

at least i dont gotta add more money to my steam

39.99 just barely cuts it

[stray elm]

They're also really shit at making announcement blows like this lighter.
Like as cool as it is, having the reveal of the stone-tools is kind of lackluster compared to the delay.

[south lance]

im guessing they got a loan

since they decreased initial launch price

they didnt need to do that after all

[blissful perch]

They’re making a bet. Which is that lower prices will lead to higher sales counts

[stray elm]

Oh, and a discount for a game that's been delayed by two months.

[blissful perch]

It’s basic economics…

[south lance]

i doubt itll matter much

like why do that now instead of before

people would have still bought the game regardless

the only audience for asa is current ark players, i seriously doubt theyll make a ton of new sales

[blissful perch]

They removed SE from the initial launch package -> less product = less sales at a given price point. So they lower price to get more sales

[south lance]

i dont think ark players operate like that

[stray elm]

Sooooo, as cool as both of those are.
The only thing that was worth while in that CC was the stone-tools, since the discount isn't even gonna matter until 4 more months.

[south lance]

i think theyll take what they can get regardless

[stray elm]

Oh yeah, and then there was that ontop of that.

[south lance]

but sure i see that being possible

[tropic forge]

man ppl that quit officials if they read this cc or learn about it they gonna be really piss 🤣

[blissful perch]

You gotta remember ASA is appealing beyond current ark 1 players…because current ark 1 players are a fraction of the historic base and are a fraction of the customer base that’s being marketed to

[stray elm]

So we get a delay and no Scorched on day-one.
And for compensation we get stone-tools and a discount that isn't valid until 4 months.....
Like, I'm not trying to sound like a little shit. But that seems more of a 'dick' move then cool reveals with a delay.

[south lance]

idk how much of that will be the case

but ig remasters are pretty popular rn

maybe people will come back to the game seeing its not as buggy as it used to be

and not as shitty of a ui

since those are the two things i see the people who used to play this game in 2015 then quit say

[tropic forge]

and if you plan to play on official no transfers, so you only have to have a bit of lucky to choose the wrong server

[stray elm]

I still don't know why they're not pulling a Dead-Space remake, and showcasing the in-game development of the new mechanics.

[south lance]

most devs dont wanna show it off

[tropic forge]

cause that would make ppl go away 🤣

[south lance]

im guessing they wanna ride the hype train for sales

[tropic forge]

hype train 🤣

[stray elm]

How?
It attracted more people to the Dead-Space remake due to their transparently.

[serene onyx]

What hype train

[south lance]

deadspace is alr one of the most well liked horror games so they dont need to do that

[stray elm]

What hype train?

[tropic forge]

i was talking about wc not ppl from dead space

[serene onyx]

Theres no hype for this anymore

[south lance]

the hype train they think will happen after dropping a trailer

[stray elm]

You say that, but it was dead for a whole decade before the release of a new one.

[south lance]

i had no clue about that

[serene onyx]

The trailer has to be the best thing ever for hype to come back

[south lance]

all the youtubers talk about it like its amazing

[south lance]

probably yeah, idk how theyll make it work

[stray elm]

Dead space 3, back in 2013, was the last Dead-Space game. And that was cause it was so shit that it made the whole franchise flop.

[serene onyx]

Like better then anything they ever made

[tropic forge]

but they still planing doing the same, realese a suppose "gameplay" few days before ASA being available

[stray elm]

FNAF became leagues more popular then Dead-Space did at that time.

[south lance]

ya

if it looks good enough, people might overestimate the game and buy it again

[stray elm]

And the Dead-Space remake was to mostly attract new players, while keeping veterans happy.
So their marketing wasn't for the older players, it was to draw in newer players.

[south lance]

it might not need to cater to current ark players if somehow the marketing works, but idk i feel like people will mistake this for ark2

[serene onyx]

Already made up my mind im not gonna buy ark 2 im on the edge for asa tho

[south lance]

ik ark2 was definitely known during that 2020 event, lotta people mentioned it tho it wasnt constantly talked about after the event

[stray elm]

But at the same time, they can showcase the in-engine demonstrations of their new mechanics.
What will that do, other then boost trust and possible sales due to how open they would be?

[south lance]

asa is atm only known through crunches tho, at least informally