ark-2

[blissful perch]

Source: my dad works for Microsoft

[wary reef]

Maybe in 2025 for your birthday

[tropic crag]

As a treat

[winged bridge]

lol wait till ark 1.5 before, and hope the 1% it releases on the announced date wins

[inland shoal]

Can we have a separate thread for ASA I want to speculate on meta changes and the upcoming new dlc that's exclusive to ASA

😩 please

Like what are people's thoughts on it is it going to be a prequel to ark 2? Like there's so much they can add to the ark lore

Gen two hype was crazy leading up to the release and I'm starting to feel the same way over ASA with the texture overhaul on the tree

[fallow niche]

#general message

[tulip lava]

that tree pic really getting you hyped up fr

[winged dome]

But general is iccccccky

[fallow niche]

Oml I'm sharing the link where dollie mentioned the channels lmao

Does the link not work? Otter said she couldn't find it either

[winged dome]

Oh, it worked, I didn't realize it was linking an actual post

[tropic crag]

Worked for me

That's what post links look like now, I hate it

[fallow niche]

I was like, i know copied the link right

Zena had me worried, smh

[winged dome]

My bad 😂

[jovial agate]

@inland shoal you're acting like it's going to be a new story with no lore and not just ark as it is ported to unreal engine

new lore*

[inland shoal]

Bro there coming out with a new season pass exclusive to ASA??? Yes there's going to be new lore

[tropic crag]

Singular DLC, not new season pass lol

[inland shoal]

Official dlc not fan made maps

[jovial agate]

they haven't even shown an image from the game yet and its 3 months away

the dlc they're talking about, not even a season pass, is going to be released MONTHSSSS after the game is released

[tropic crag]

It will have new lore, though. Don't see why you'd think it wouldn't

[inland shoal]

Okay? Doesn't mean that you can't speculate on it now

[winged dome]

Devs said its a new canon DLC

[jovial agate]

it's just a little soy getting excited about a game and dlc that are going to be butchered because of time and skill restraints

[tropic crag]

And some things basegame are being revamped, it's not "literally the same game" or anything like that

[jovial agate]

.....right!

[tropic forge]

thats not true they show a drop and a tree

[jovial agate]

funniest shit I've ever see

seen

[tropic crag]

It's more than "soy" to think that the remake is going to not be a step in the right direction imo

[tropic forge]

but i had to say it 🤣

[jovial agate]

release is 3 months away and we haven't gotten an in game picture yet

literally a tree and a drop

[tropic crag]

Ok, and?

[tropic forge]

dont worrie in 3 months you will get a pic 🤣

[jovial agate]

I don't understand how people can get excited over it for that fact, and the fact BOTH wildcard and snail games are corrupt and don't care about the player base who had supported it for over 8yrs

[tropic forge]

youre wasting time whit The fanatic of this channel, dosent matter what you say about anything as long its on defending all wrongs and excuses from wc and snail he will moke you all the way

[jovial agate]

I don't think he even has anything to say to me about what I saud

the truth hurts, especially when you've been supporting a company whose game is completely addicting and you think they care about their players

they literally have tribes on pvp servers like conquest that will ban you if you kill them in pvp/fob their base

literal insanity

[winged dome]

Soooo ... don't play Official 😂

[calm scaffold]

They type here every day and defend wildcard down to the last hair, no point in even talking to them lol

[jovial agate]

what is that even suppose to mean

the devs suck and take my money no matter what servers I play on

[jovial agate]

u rite

[nova sonnet]

comparable to valorant players going batshit insane when riot game drops a tiny bit of lore every 3 months

[jovial agate]

I'm the most upset about that conquest server where tea tribe is running around banning people who try to raid them / kill them (this is pvp servers btw) and the tribe is linked to snail games. they take down the server whenever they're raided

like wild card can do NOTHING about that? they can't mention it might lower the games literal stocks because people don't want to play when they get banned for playing?

[winged dome]

Continue to suck money? Last I checked, Ark was a one time purchase. No Subscription

[nova sonnet]

bro never heard of server hosting

[jovial agate]

the new game is going to be $60, plus dlc, after I paid over a 100 for this game that only got released full access 5 yrs ago and is already becoming unsupported to make the same game with better graphics

so yes, they are sucking money

ontop of buying ark 2 a year from now

which is even more money

[winged dome]

For a remake - which you don't need to buy

[jovial agate]

there's no point in arguing with you

they are taking support from this game and focusing on ark asa and ark 2

you clearly have a bias for this company

that has no bias towards you and the rest of the people who defend their actions

[analog hamlet]

ARK: Survival Evolved Conquest:

The ARK Conquest Discord can be found here: https://discord.gg/e25Pc2PysU

[calm scaffold]

Told ya

[winged dome]

As they should - Ark1 is a mess and is in dire need of fixing. If Ark Asc was just an engine upgrade then I'd be pissed, but its way more than that with a ton of QoL features

[jovial agate]

I can't WAAAIT for a few months when I can come back here and @ you when there's maybe 2 new features added and the rest is graphical updates

[winged dome]

We already know theres way more features that that 😂

[worldly garden]

There's a lot more coming because ASA is meant to thrive alongside ARK 2. People severely underestimate what ASA will be.

[nova sonnet]

it'll just be delayed again

[mint swan]

Wild baby dinos, cross platform multiplayer, cross platform modding, new structures, photo mode, better snap points etc. I think thats a few more than two new features

[jovial agate]

half if not more than half of those could have been added to this game

[worldly garden]

Not the point he was making, but ok.

[jovial agate]

those are not game selling features when the game is currently out and they can currently add them without it being a new game

the point being there are enough features to call it a new game, or at least worth 60$? for better snap points?

everything except cross platform multi-player can be achieved through mods

[worldly garden]

Also, Dynamic navigation mesh and creature pathfinding overhaul (AI pathfinding)

[jovial agate]

again, could be an update for this game. they should've added things like that before this came out of early access

but now they're selling us a new game for features that should've been added years ago

[winged dome]

Guy says I'm not worth arguing with, but dismissed every counterpoint given 😂

[jovial agate]

dismissed? you mean rebuttal?

you're acting like a few QOL features is enough to justify people buying a $60 game they already have

[tropic crag]

Holding you to this, @ ing you like hell when you're wrong lmao

[winged dome]

QoL features, optimization improvements, an entire friggin' new engine, true crossplay with mod support, and way more 😂

[jovial agate]

you can't account for things they mentioned just now, like wild baby dinos lmfao there's mods that add that, and better snap points

[mint swan]

Asa is also a better deal for new players because instead of sixty dollars plus extra for dlcs instead it will be 60 for all of it

[jovial agate]

you're literally wrapping a nice little bow on a pile of shit

yes, you're right

but they should give the game free to old players who had paid over 100+ of dlc

[tropic crag]

Keep coping, get ready for the @ s in a few months

[jovial agate]

you people are the rare few overdosing on copium

also >in a few months
more like next year at this rate seeing how they aren't showing ANYTHING from production other than a tree asset and a loot drop

companies usually have full trailers out by now, we don't even have a full jpg image

[tropic crag]

Hifi Rush dropped with no trailer, no nothing, and look how successful that game is

You don't always need AAA marketing to make a game lmao

[tropic forge]

dude told ya dont waste time here, their points are, defending everything wc says even when they go back on their word, ending dino breeding, end official servers, end cap bps and so on, if you dare to scroll back about 1.5 year of this channel you will see them making ark 2 on this channel and everyone that try to talk about a topic their respond would be " that's being address and not more talk about"

about the game being free for old players, if and thats if they make half of what they said and the game aint broken like ark 1 is they have the right to sell it as a remaster but that as yet to be seen

[winged dome]

I defend what WC says because I believe a lot of what they have said is beneficial to the game as a whole. Uncapped breeding lines is broken in both PvE and PvP, and you're a fool if you think otherwise

And ending Official Server support for an outdated game is just logical. Why spend time, money, and resources on an outdated game format?

[tropic crag]

Official ran for 8 years, be grateful we even got that much lmao

[winged dome]

But I won't disagree that I got a lot of satisfaction when the Devs said Officials would be wiped 😂

[muted nebula]

When ARK 2 drops is ARK 1 just gunna die ?

[mint swan]

Your acting like companies never go back on their word. This isnt a new thing. It happens all the time.

[tropic crag]

And it's all gonna start back up again anyways, not like the players aren't going to reup on ASA, I know for a fact that the mega tribes are planning their whole operations as we speak lol

[split dove]

it's only a minority of the playerbase after all

[winged dome]

Define 'die'. Support for Ark1, aside from fixing crashes, will be ending when Ark Asc drops

[mint swan]

I believe It is supposed to coexist with ASA

[tropic forge]

did you just try to twist my words? you damn well know when i said about you guys being in favor of ending official servers was for ark 2 and eve ASA not about the end of officials of ark 1 but yeh go ahead

[jovial agate]

you're a fool if you take anything wildcard says seriously at face value

[winged dome]

I'm not twisting anyone's words, I'm just voicing my personal opinion

But feel free to think otherwise

[nova sonnet]

🍿

[jovial agate]

🤡

[astral token]

[nova sonnet]

hot take: introduce microtransactions to ASA and Ark 2

[serene onyx]

No

[blissful perch]

My interests are with clarifying WC’s intent vs reality. Being realistic means swallowing entitlement and optimism. I’m replying because I want to agree 100-fold that it’s a questionable take to support capped stat lines if you care about game balance

Given fox seems to prefer power tripping and seems against PvE balance, I’m not surprised he’s labeled the numerous patient and polite discussions had about breeding as some rabid internet troll group

[tribal chasm]

They don't need to cap dino stats entirely, it can be achieved by making things difficult and having filters to get through, much like the old game. Deterrents/tedium maybe, but it's more about not letting things out of hand too quickly.

Think Pre 2018 vs post 2018:
No cryopods, whistle non stop to breed (or else they mess up position), no optimal floating dino designs either due to prior comment, hard to obtain mass females due to element/cloning being much harder, dinos took longer to tame/move around as well, not as many bonus rate events or auto raising mechanics (such as Maewing).

Small tribes when it came out was a good example of this; enough filters that most dinos after 1 year had been mutated ... at most, 20ish points. Now you can go from 40 points to 254 in 1 month

[tropic forge]

not once i see any of you talking about take out breeding and rebalance the entire game to work whit only tame dinos but yeh 🍿

[blissful perch]

with the exception of a few bosses and missions, the game IS balanced around only tame (or at most imprinted) levels

that's...the entire problem lol. You just dunk on the game with halfway mutated lines with some very rare exceptions

[tropic forge]

cleary you play single player or outburst unofficials to said something like that, tame a giga and go do a purple drop on extinction and record that so ppl can see you do it

[mint swan]

News for ark 2 date?

[blissful perch]

I think this unfortunately leads more to gatekeeping/rewarding the most dedicated at the cost of everyone else. Tedium should always be minimized

[mint swan]

When ia dropped thia fking game?

[blissful perch]

found a video in about...3 minutes with some level 300 gigas with 35k hp. Hardly capped

[tribal chasm]

It doesn't have to be tedious in the direct sense, but at least have a degree of difficulty / requirements
Pretty much all games I used to play in the past (online based) are now 50, 100x easier than they used to be. Good for peoples dopamine, bad for balance

[blissful perch]

and ofc I appreciate the intentional misread of my message Fox 🍿

[tropic forge]

i said tame since you wanna take out breeding, twist all you want

[mint swan]

I have 4k hours in official of this shit full of mesh and bugs

[blissful perch]

balance should be in the stats and gameplay imo...if you can ever one shot 99% of the environment that's too much. Doesn't matter imo how long that takes

[blissful perch]

you know quite well what I mean and continue to be dense. If you want a fruitful discussion, I'm happy to engage. But in a one way conversation it's hardly my fault if you choose to ignore me 🤷‍♂️ . You know by breeding I mean mutations and specifically mutation stacking

[mint swan]

Dev u need to do a better game this time

Ark 1 was a big shit

From official comunity

[blissful perch]

Ark 1 is getting a remaster in the near future, and ark 2 is coming in 2024. I'd recommend providing critique at that time

[tropic forge]

i aint scrolling up to copy/paste your answers

[blissful perch]

since I think WC and everyone here is aware of ark 1's faults

[mint swan]

Remaster???

Really??😂😂

Removing or nerfing mutation stacking would make the game a less fun for people like me who enjoy doing it ofc i am a single player so i cant speak for pvp players

What they have to remaster?

Remaster the mesh from 5 years?

Dupe method?

[blissful perch]

you already read and responded to them in the past. Hence my disappointment in your lackluster efforts to paint me as some whimsical troll

[mint swan]

I play from day0

[blissful perch]

if you're SP, I'm sure mods can readd the feature

[mint swan]

And from day 0 i have mesh

[mint swan]

True

This game lost like 99% of veterans gamers

[blissful perch]

there is a clear void in end/post game content that would need to be filled if mutations are removed. Of that there is no question

[mint swan]

Just kids on boosted now

[blissful perch]

are you mad about ark official being thinly populated? I suspect folks left recently when they found out it's being shut down in August

[mint swan]

U just a random kid like 10 years

[blissful perch]

should specify that any form of play for unofficial/SP should be supported or enabled. Ideally through simple settings tweaks, but if not that then through mods. Most balance or design conversations I engage in are about the vanilla "default" ark experience, be it official or an unofficial with no changes applied

[south lance]

just use mods

[mint swan]

Good thing ill actually be able to do that in ASA

[south lance]

exactly

[tropic crag]

🤡

[astral token]

Sounds like you play official, which to quote Ced, is “the minority”-

[nova sonnet]

#ark-2 channel members try not to react with clown emoji challenge

[untold ingot]

Impossible challenge

[untold ingot]

There are things that can't be done without decent dinos, this is true. And I think getting rid of breeding entirely would be a bad move for arks future, but on the whole and in nearly 99% of interactions with pve, a single moderately decent Dino makes gameplay trivial. Instead of having 2 or 3 things require a capped Dino line (while everything else can be done with a basic tamed Dino), I do think a rebalance of things needs to be done that both makes normal pve more of a challenge, while still having higher difficulty events like ext purple drops. My argument however is that it's not really capping stats that makes dinos op, it is adding levels after that is too strong. The compounding percentages between mutating and then leveling is what makes dinos really broken, which is why I would much rather see a different system implemented, or at least a nerf of the current one. Something like a perk tree for mutations and a skill tree for levels fits the concept I would ideally like to see.

[untold ingot]

It shouldn't be imo. Official brings a gameplay that can't be replicated on unofficial. For both pve and pvp. What should happen is some changes to how official works to make it more open and friendly to everyone lol

[tropic forge]

just a reminder to newcomers that ark is 8 years old so what you call "the minority" used to be the majority

[tropic forge]

totally agree, just a reminder to take out a function from a game thats being worked to balance difficulty will brake the game make it impossible to achieve certain things so the entire game would need to be rebalance to function properly for that change which is breeding to get stronger dinos not to mention the cap bps for sniper shotguns etc

[untold ingot]

They did already mention that they are doing a rebalancing. How much actually will get changed is still up in the air though

Capped bps need to get changed for the same reason that capped mutations do. Although capped gear is waaaay more impactful lol.

[tropic forge]

i can see it having more impact on pvp maybe on pve would be on gen missions

[untold ingot]

A capped flak armor, just as an example, is like 200x better than primative. Prim flak is usually sufficient to protect for a decent amount of time against most small pve dangers, do the same with capped flak and you are literally untouchable

For pvp, a capped set is normal to have, and while necessary isn't super game breaking, but for pve (excluding certain genesis missions) it is well beyond necessary

[tropic crag]

Sadly, the official statements and the current numbers are what matter, not what Ark "used to be". Official players do be living in the past, though, so...

[astral token]

But in it's present state, it's quite bad

[astral token]

[wild vortex]

I just feel like saddles need a durability

Especially stegos

[blissful perch]

That sounds…annoying? Unless you can ride on any creature without a saddle. I’d certainly hate to be suddenly kicked off my flier because the durability of the saddle hit zero ☠️

[blissful perch]

It WOULD be nice if official was pleasant enough to be the standard format where most people play. But I suspect that won’t happen without some extremely major changes to how the game operates.

[blissful perch]

Tbh even default flak is pushing it imo. You can face tank a rex for way longer than you should be able to with 100 base armor lol

[tropic crag]

Fair enough, but yeah as you said it'd have to be far and beyond what I would expect Wildcard to effectively change (and not mess up doing so, lest the masses cry)

[blissful perch]

Well if we stop beating people over the head about it, the knowledge about minority/majority helps inform us what “the masses” actually are, instead of who the vocal majority is

I suspect if you looked at hours played for example official players would smoke the rest

[tropic crag]

Press X to doubt

[blissful perch]

I dunno, it seems pretty likely given official players probably play longer sessions and dedicate more time over a longer period to the game. The next question of course is “so what”. Does a ton of extra hours translate to anything?

For example…in a game like minecraft, more hours played for say a content creator means more exposure and more sales. But for ark, does more hours for an official player = more content? Or is it the same content but it’s more hours that get cut out because nobody wants to watch people waiting around for timers and/or low rates?

[tropic crag]

A no lifer on official is typically still a no lifer on unofficial, the route chosen does next to nothing but speed up or slow down the rate at which they breed their tames and get into the meat and potatoes that is raiding, no more, no less

[untold ingot]

That is not even remotely true lol

[tropic crag]

But I guess I could understand your point, if only slightly? More time playing game = more played time to report to whomever, be it Microsoft so they can adjust the Game Pass revenue split or to Snail/investors to give them stuff to look at and pretend to understand

[untold ingot]

Generally speaking the skill level between 1x official players is higher than you will find on unofficials

Other than say mts

[tropic crag]

Anywho, without going on a tangent, what do hours mean to your original point? People with more hours should be listened to, about something? Because that's not something I think should dictate the direction of the game in ANY sense whatsoever lmao

[untold ingot]

Yes, your arguement would be to ignore the people who contribute the most to the direction ark goes

[tropic crag]

Especially taking into account the fact that people lose jobs, forget to pay rent, and so on, over breeding alone, and given the decision to make that the whole game, I'm sure some would 😂

[untold ingot]

Yeah everyone should just play chess or something

[untold ingot]

Not directly. It depends on what the hours are used for

Ark pvp is not really set up well for youtube, and ark pve youtubers consistently do the exact same things every time.

[untold ingot]

People forget stuff like that over literally anything. That is not a valid reason to ignore or belittle people who played on official.

[blissful perch]

I think you stumbled into my second message lol

[untold ingot]

Lack of originality of youtubers does not mean limited content possibilities

[blissful perch]

That’s not really the case for YouTube anymore, at least for ark 1. Content is driven by market, not the other way around

There does seem to be a limited set of what ark players want to watch. Ark 2 official COULD cater better to content creation imo by offering more diversity and more “content worthy moments” per session

For example, the random events or cultivating an actual sense of danger while traveling

[untold ingot]

I mean, better balance really helps that imo. Even without adding anything new to the game

[blissful perch]

Season based official PvP would also mean content creators for the format could release content once a season and not release anything confidential. Especially if changes happen season to season

Avoiding balance on a shaky foundation has kinda been my mantra for ark 2 design…I just think the foundation of ark 1’s gameplay isn’t quite there. Ark 2’s seems closer. Get a good gameplay loop and foundation -> then tweak balance

[untold ingot]

Honestly I doubt that would have any impact at all. Just look at wipe servers like mts or arkpoc. You get like 3 videos a month, if that, because the game mode literally doenst lend itself well to consistent uploads

[blissful perch]

YouTube has radically tweaked the algorithm to promote content uploads like that

[untold ingot]

Personally I have hope that asa has a better gameplay loop tbh

[blissful perch]

The issue may instead be that it’s boring to watch what’s out there because the game and meta are a bit stale

[blissful perch]

It would be nice! But I’m not expecting that anytime before ark 2

[untold ingot]

I dont know anything about the youtube algorithm, because I dont particularly care for it really

[blissful perch]

It’s helpful to understanding content as a marketing tool

[untold ingot]

But youtubers who have a name already, consistently upload clone videos almost exclusively

[blissful perch]

🤷‍♂️ it takes time to adjust. The change was I think a year ago?

I’ve seen a chunk of content creators that upload more rarely (on my feed anyway) rise quite a bit

For ark though…not sure what’s left BUT to put up clone videos. It’s been 8 years and the game isn’t flexible enough imo to offer unique content forever

I suppose the 100 days trend last year was a good one?

[blissful perch]

Dunno about listened to, but the hours should be going towards something for WC

[tropic crag]

And they do, with Ark 1 on Game Pass, the higher the amount of players and time played (not just for official, but the game as a whole), the more of the revenue that is split between all active developers that are a part of the program goes towards WC, as their game is what's holding people on Game Pass (in Microsoft's eyes, idk how it all works on an intricate level necessarily, but I do know that's pretty much how it goes)

[blissful perch]

So for console there is strong appeal to encourage official play (long sessions, long overall commitment). I hadn’t considered the gamepass kickback element

[rancid harness]

I'd argue gamepass is one of the biggest reasons ark1 is as big as it is

Hoping ASA gets added to gamepass later in its life cycle

But then there's also the issue of free game = banning cheaters means nothing

[blissful perch]

Gamepass isn’t free?

I guess you can get one free trial per email and it’s close enough. Is that the argument?

[rancid harness]

If you set your home console, you can create new accounts and they can use your gamepass/live

[tropic crag]

That's still only one console/one account at a time playing, so uhhhh... I don't see the argument here

Unless you mean alt accounts? Which will happen regardless

[blissful perch]

The idea is you get banned -> new account ezpz

Although surely it’s easy as hell to ban a console by IP

[tropic crag]

Oh, for sure

Easier than PC, even. We can't have VPNs and such 😂

[split dove]

lemme chill in madagascar

[blissful perch]

I’ve committed

The freshest ark 2 take is back lads

[untold ingot]

I mean, I dont know how big ark is on xbox, but the numbers on steam are not at all dependant on xbox gamepass, and it still has a ton of players

[blissful perch]

Pretty sure PC player counts also smoked console counts

[tropic crag]

Could've sworn it was the other way around, but I don't really know tbh

Yep, it was lol, Jesse even said so in an interview way back when 👀

Funny enough, the current Xbox player count is also more than Steam

[winged dome]

Even mods can only do so much in cushioning poor endgame activities for an 8 year old game - with PC, there's a lot larger game pool to choose from for an Ex-Ark player's next game. Couple that with Ark being free on game pass, it's not too surprising console numbers are beating PC at the moment

Also console being wayyy more accessible than a PC that can run Ark decently

[tropic crag]

My main point was that, at several points in it's lifetime, especially pre-Game Pass, Ark was more popular on Xbox than on Steam

Some of the metrics were even pre-Win10 version

[wary reef]

A lot of steam players is on mods which really helps keeping it fresh

[tropic crag]

They're still tracked in the battlemetrics and such, pretty much all online (as in, connected to the internet while playing) methods of play are included

[ashen lynx]

They need to fix the windows 10 version

[tropic crag]

They're fixing every version, that's what ASA is 😂

[worldly garden]

Not the Stadia version. 🙃

[winged dome]

We don't talk about Bruno Stadia

[tropic crag]

Isn't Stadia dead?

[rancid harness]

yup

[tropic crag]

Can't really fix a version on a platform that no longer exists 😅

[fair pasture]

Is there a confirmed Survival evolve release date?

[astral token]

Yeah like 2015

[fair pasture]

Survival ascended*

The UE5 version

[astral token]

Late August 2023

[fair pasture]

fairs

[worldly garden]

31st August is the official date.

[stray elm]

When did they state the exact date?
Thought it was just 'August'

[winged dome]

I don't think we have an exact date, but
'This also impacted our decision to sunset the ASE Official Network offline on August 31st, shortly before the ASA launch.'
ASE Officials dying on the 31st

Just before my favorite quote my WC ever

Kbye~

Free upgrade was never officially announced, only hinted at and admittedly too early in a tweet

But I'm too busy today to have this argument again for the 40th time, so...

🍻 Cheers

I'm going under? Under where?
Oh, pfft, you made me say it 😂

TIL I own WC 👀
News to me 😂

[worldly garden]

As they said in the roadmap that it will be late August, then in the follow-up roadmap they said "This also impacted our decision to sunset the ASE Official Network offline on August 31st, shortly before the ASA launch." it would only leave 31st August as being the August day it would release.

[stray elm]

Fair, if they mean literal hours to minutes before release with the 'shortly after'

[worldly garden]

Lets face it, it will be September. 🤣

[stray elm]

It will release at 11:59PM on August 31st.

[winged dome]

12:01am August 32st

[stray elm]

This years August doesn't have a 32nd.

Unless that was the joke.

[winged dome]

That's the jo-
wait, every August doesn't have a 32st ... unless 👀

[nova sonnet]

December 32nd, 2020

[south lance]

should gear cap for weapons be scaled back much? 3x base weapon damage seems alright though im not totally considering these changes alongside armor and stat caps

like bred tame stat differences compared to tamed 150 values are something on the order of 7-10x right now, and the same applies to player armor vs base durability and armor wise

saddles and weapons seem less out of the ordinary at 2x and 3x roughly for their effect over primitive gear

i think id probably focus on scaling back the former over the latter

especially since capped saddles are way more accessible to bobs on gen2

and red drops across all servers

somewhat similar situation with weapons

but both the armor and the capped tames seem way harder to obtain comparatively

[untold ingot]

Overall weapon and armor balance needs to be addressed. But I do think 3x damage for a capped weapon is a bit much. I think it should be more like 1.5 with a nerf on the range of the shotgun. Other than that, I think saddles should get a nerf. The scaling doesn't work great for pve imo

[south lance]

should all items/tames be around that 1.5x capped effectiveness vs prim?

[untold ingot]

Having not tested that it's hard to say if that'll fix the balance issue, but that would be my first approximation

[south lance]

theres probably some sorta testing on unofficials somewhere with lowered caps

or maybe just wipe servers which dont usually hit the same stat levels for tames and i think armor?

[untold ingot]

But all things considered, a shotgun should not be as effective against large tames as it currently is

[south lance]

shotgun does seem overly effective atm

you could probably do well to just increase its spread tho

ive seen vids of people using shotguns to down wyverns from like 100 meters

[untold ingot]

It should deal less damage against things larger than a parasuar, and needs an overall nerf anyway

[south lance]

i think pellet spread increase would be fine?

it should fuck things up up close unless you mean even in those situations its over powered

[untold ingot]

Shotguns aren't super effective agaisnt elephants and hippos, or bears. So why should they be against rexes?

[south lance]

i think damage of near capped shotgun is something like 10k per mag

[untold ingot]

Shotguns irl are basically anti small weaponry

[south lance]

ig

[untold ingot]

They should have a damage reduction similar to when agaisnt a rock golem when being shot against anything large

[south lance]

dont large dinos alr have decent damage reduction outside flyers

iirc its something like 30%

[untold ingot]

I don't believe so

[south lance]

it might vary with the specific dino but i think this applies to rexes and sauropods

[untold ingot]

Can't say I have ever noticed it

[winged dome]

Bullet size isn't changing, but the target size is. Lot more meat and bone to punch through to actually deal lethal damage. A larger caliber round would be relatively more effective, so damage reduction for shotguns makes sense for larger tames while still keeping them useful

[untold ingot]

Yep. A sniper rifle should be way more effective against large tames than a shotgun

[south lance]

i think thatd end up being more annoying

at least the shotgun you know where the player is

or can do more since they are closer

[untold ingot]

It's better than having 0 challenges because you got a sniper shotgun that is good antilarge

[south lance]

(assuming close range shotgun use)

yeah shotgun range is kinda dumb

[untold ingot]

The ttk of player vs Dino should be harder to do imo, if not in asa, then definitely in ark2

[winged dome]

The range is a bit much, but I don't think it's too out of the question. Maybe start a damage dropoff at 70% of current range

Ttk in Ark2 I hope is very different

[untold ingot]

The issue is the damage output against large at range.

[south lance]

apparently dododex doesnt show any reduction on stuff lile sauropods and rexes so ill go with you being right

theres some stuff about gun damage reduction but its super old and probably changed

[untold ingot]

Shotguns get used to hunt birds and squirrels, and as anti personnel, they do not get used to hunt elephants

[winged dome]

Accuracy by volume makes sense for smol targets where pellet size relative to target size is still reasonably comparable

[south lance]

longnecks couldve been better off as anti large ig

reduced reload and all

[untold ingot]

Yes, I have no issue with shotguns being good against onyc and spiders, because irl they would be at close range and up to a fairly decent longer range. But agaisnt rexes or wyverns? It doesn't make any sense

[south lance]

tho i dont think any gun really should be good at anti large

[untold ingot]

Snipers are anti large, depending on the caliber

[south lance]

the dinos are too unable to do much to survivors far away unless survivor mobility gets capped

snipers would become basically hard stop to any large dino tho

and you already have limited counters to that besides your own sniper

[untold ingot]

They already are effective against unsaddled dinos

[south lance]

ya

seems like the best foot anti wyvern weapon

[winged dome]

Hard part is balancing it. Rof? Bring multiple guns. Cost per shot is mostly irrelevant with gathering rates buffed over the years

[untold ingot]

I don't thing they need to change, other than maybe adding an armor piercing against saddle armor

[south lance]

maybe just reducing armor so snipers are one shots to other snipers would be fine tho getting aimbotted would be a nightmare

[winged dome]

Isn't that what Comp Bows are for?

[south lance]

long range

[untold ingot]

I don't think one shot kill weapons are good in ark at all

[south lance]

atm dont fab snipers take like 3 or 4 headshots to kill a player with capped armor

capped fab sniper

[untold ingot]

The variability of that is too much to really answer lol

[south lance]

i mean its basically just dependent on number of shots to break armor since headshot usually one shots naked player no?

ik some people run with like 900 hp tho

[untold ingot]

900hp is a low estimate honestly

[south lance]

that doesnt sound fun to play against lol

[untold ingot]

I ran 2k on my sniper char lol

[south lance]

💀

too many survivor levels

tho thats like 190 into hp

[untold ingot]

Yeah

There is no point in going high movement speed or weight if all you are doing is sniping lol

[south lance]

yeah thats valid its just that having hp scale to that height, and you can comfortably hold an extra set or 2 of gear plus brews

[untold ingot]

But tbf, I think snipers are mostly in a balanced position rn. They aren't overpowered, and they aren't underpowered

[south lance]

thats so many shots to kill tho

[untold ingot]

Shotguns, tek bows and flamethrowers are a bit more of an issue

Ttk in ark should be a lot

Especially at range

It's not cod

[south lance]

ye but thats sounds like it requires around 5 or 6 headshots to kill

am i wrong

[untold ingot]

I don't believe it takes that many

[south lance]

if its at least possible to do so without needing to reload then fine

without like aimbotter aim

[untold ingot]

It is if you can hit your shots lol

[south lance]

a lot is

just seems impractical at some point

[untold ingot]

Which means it's more balanced lol. If it was practical in every scenario there wouldn't be much use for dinos now would there lol

[south lance]

fair ig

[untold ingot]

In a perfect world the weaponry would have niche uses that complements each other

[wild vortex]

So like alpha brood mother would two shadowmanes 3 Rex’s 3 bread stegos cap saddles and two velos 2k melee each would I be able to complete this boss fight successfully?

[harsh spear]

alpha brood mother hits like a truck. so you need tanky stuff

idk what u wanna do with velos and stegos

i would just get good rexes with good saddles

[untold totem]

Just use megatheriums lmao

[vernal glen]

👍🏿

[wary reef]

[winged dome]

Why go in with half the max allowed dinos? Bring more Rexes. Stegos are slow, they're not going to do much. Velos are pretty bad unless ridden and even then they're not great in bosses

[blissful perch]

The real question is why we think the ark 1 broodmother will be in ark 2

[split junco]

[ripe cedar]

I mean we got araneo art so i wouldnt be surprised seeing it in some way

[split dove]

A last remnant of an ancient power
kinda makes it seem like only the araneo is transitioning

[untold totem]

it's just brood gone smol

[winged dome]

I dunno, that Ark2 spider seems a bit small for a boss creature. Might be a standard tame

Might actually make it worthwhile to use, Ark1's Araneo is basically PvE cave fodder

[tropic crag]

It is most definitely just an araneo

But maybe actually useful this time around

[ripe cedar]

I didnt say it was the boss but the fact that it is coming back could mean brood is too because they are somewhat linked togetehr

[winged dome]

Yeah, mb, misread

[untold ingot]

I think it is more likely to be a miniboss tbh

[stray elm]

I think it's just simply the Araneo.
Don't think there's more to look into it.

[winged dome]

More mini bosses would be sweet

[blissful perch]

I think actual curated boss fights (mini or otherwise) would be pretty sweet. Something beyond “LMB”

[winged dome]

We've at least seen some basic mechanics are possible during fights like Gen2 Rockwell or some of the Gen2 missions, so hopefully those can be expanded upon for more unique fights/encounters

[untold ingot]

The self contained gen2 missions are pretty good. But even fights like the lava golem would be good to have in larger quantity

[winged dome]

Yeah, agreed

You know what I'd like to see less of?
And this is to the fault of mod map creators mostly ...

Labyrinth/maze caves with buttons, puzzles, and traps

[untold ingot]

I don't think there is an issue with those

[winged dome]

I really dislike them because everyone is just going to find the solution online and skip as much of it as possible. Plus traps that one shot you with awful hitzones, or spawn like 20 creatures (always the same Scorp, Spider, Snake, Bat combos...) making them very predictable just gets old fast

[untold ingot]

So the issue then isn't the maze. It's making them original and not googling the solutions

[tropic crag]

The one hit kill spike pits, let alone in a place on the map where you can't get back to easily was always bullshit imo

[weak vine]

ark2 will come 2030 Thank you for your waiting

[tropic crag]

So I'm of the idea that those could go for sure in exchange for more open air mazes, like the ones seen in BotW or something

[weak vine]

[winged dome]

For me, the issue is the unnatural feel of it all. Compare Ragnarok's Labyrinth to the Center's Underworld and connecting caverns - both house an Artifact or more so are required in some capacity for map completion. The Center has a sprawling network of tunnels and connecting caverns with unique locations - many of them not being required to explore and even multiple entrances so you can essentially travel a fair amount of the map completely underground. There's no traps perse, but plenty of cave and non-cave spawns in certain spots leading up to a no-tame parkour course leading up to the artifact

[tropic crag]

The Center was underrated for sure in that regard

[stray elm]

Kind of hope ASA will actually give the later on Artifacts proper descriptions then just 'The artifact found on Aberration'

[winged dome]

Rag's Lab starts off with a room where you run around pressing buttons to open a door. There's no hint which buttons are right in game as far as I know, so you either randomly press buttons and hope for the right combo, or look it up. I guarantee I know which 99% of players end up doing. Then the fire room with more buttons and invisible trap hitboxes. I still have no idea what sets the trap off, but if it does go off then you better spam med brews or you're toast. The path split is fine, with the water tunnel being neat for ambiance, and the jumping pillars being alright. But the actual maze with more random buttons is awful

[untold ingot]

Rag is a terrible example for a lab cave. The one on fjordur is way better in design imo

[winged dome]

Then the worst part is the sacrifice room. Don't have a throwaway shoulder pet or tribemate? Lol, start over from scratch and lose your inventory! The arena at the end with the spirit creatures is pretty neat though.

I picked the Center and Rag because they were both early community made maps - yeah, later maps are better but most of the overall concepts are still there. Fjordur's is probably the least frustrating because it at least has the decency of being able to find the solution in game reasonably

[untold ingot]

You picked the worst example by picking rag tbh

[winged dome]

Does Valg have a labyrinth? I honestly don't remember except maybe that one cave with the death pits but I remember it being pretty straight forward

Lost Island is just Rag Lab Jr with less rooms and more maze with random buttons

[untold ingot]

Yeah, but fjordur labyrinth is pretty good. The biggest issue is how op it is as a base location

[winged dome]

Eh, good is a stretch, but I know I have bias against labs as a whole

Points for theming though

[untold ingot]

I mean, it's better than the center parqour and is one of the most interesting cave to run for the first time

[winged dome]

Well remember, the Center is one of the first community made maps

[wintry night]

Hello

[winged dome]

But I agree, the actual parkour course is the weakest part of the overall cavern. But I'd take it over a button maze with no in-game solution

[wintry night]

When I press information to see the server, it does not direct me to any other page , mi ark mobile

[untold ingot]

Well, ark mobile isn't ark2, being as ark2 isn't released yet

[wintry night]

I know, but if anyone can help me

[untold ingot]

Mobile has a seperate discord

[winged dome]

Doesn't help that I also don't like Rag

[blissful perch]

The caves should be like missions - that way a one hit kill trap just ends the mission rather than causes you to lose your items and have to respawn etc etc

[sour zenith]

is there still gonna be stupid pocket admins or a more restircted team of support

[pliant veldt]

What is the date of the Ark 1 update?

[tropic forge]

what update?

[pliant veldt]

Ark 1 update

Is there any updates for ark

?

[tropic forge]

are you talking of ASA?

[blissful perch]

he means the final ark 1 update

there's no confirmed date beyond "june 2023"

[pine tiger]

By enabling it in the server settings.

[frail scarab]

anyone wanna start a fresh world im new

[harsh spear]

are they really gonna charge extra for DLCs even though they are already cooked ?

[serene onyx]

No

[spark stump]

Does anyone know if ark ascended will have tethering

[mint swan]

can we please get fixed collisions with ark 2? since when im trying to get past dinosaurs, i get stuck on them, or it looks like im unstuck before it snaps me back, please.

[desert swallow]

Please remove all collision detection in your game. Also fix my network issues. Thanks.

[astral token]

It’s not magic

[astral token]

Why don’t you also GIVE EVO while you’re at it

[stray steppe]

Wait is it true that you have to pay 90€ for the new ark thing ? 😟☹️

[astral token]

60

[thick tulip]

gonna say it again, mounts need to have souls-like moves in Ark2, not just players lol and rexes need a pounce attack like on Land Before Time XD

not that i think the rex pounce attack will make it into game, just would be insane to see/do

but souls-like combos would fill in the medium sized tame combat quite nicely

[ripe cedar]

For split screen?

Or just non dedi

[spark stump]

Non dedi

[ripe cedar]

Possibly

Since its a current gen thing

[blissful perch]

Say it again as much as you’d like: it’s true

Although I think a pounce makes minimum sense on a rex, each size/creature class should have a unique suite of moves and abilities that are more than just spammed bites or “forward hit cones” like most ark 1 attacks

I’ve advocated for side steps, twists, guards even…all would work to make tame combat more diverse

[thick tulip]

no doubt, rex pounce for lols only

but the agile dinos def need dodges as a part of their melee: deinons, raptors, terror birds, etc should be quick on their feet as a part of their appeal

would also like to see armor kits for unsaddled tames, mainly kentros but also gigantopithecus and dire wolf...dont need a saddle to gain defense

[winged dome]

Rexes and Gigas being able to attack behind their feet just by biting looking down is the dumbest thing 😂
I hope Ark2 has more realistic and balanced hit zones

[split dove]

let them do dmg by pooping onto creatures under them. let's be honest, those turds would weigh a lot

[blissful perch]

One thing I’m torn is on rebalancing the weight system. It always bugged me that a fairly basic kit in ark 1 would weigh down a raptor/terror bird. I wonder how you could keep small mounts as viable travel options that obviously would hold less stuff

[tropic forge]

too soon for that, troll

[earnest path]

Bro when ARK 3

[mint swan]

2070

[mint swan]

when ark 4

[earnest path]

YO we should be worrying about ARK 5

[mint swan]

nah, ark 6 will be lit, with unlimited 2048K and real life is the same, as ark.

[earnest path]

BRO ARK 7 CAN'T WAIT BRO

[mint swan]

makes me wonder, what ark 8 will be like

[earnest path]

I had a dream about ark 9

[left arch]

You plebs are still on ark 9? That's old news, us true fans are speculating ark 11

[earnest path]

11?!?!?!

I was about to talk about ARK 50

[left arch]

Mhm

Ridiculous

[winged dome]

I'm still waiting for Ark1 to be good 😂

[mint swan]

cant even walk past a dino without getting snaped back fr ong

[stray elm]

Thought I read that right last CC.
Everyone thought though it'll be every 'other' week.

[blissful perch]

new assets look nice - although the rocks holding down the ASA cooking pot look way too shiny imo...rocks aren't silver ore 😂

The rest look great though...eager to see what the rest looks like

[split dove]

gotta be wet river rocks

[verbal wind]

i want separate berry plant models for crop plots

would be nice to see the berry color growing on the plant

[sonic storm]

is ark 2 out

[left arch]

no

[ripe marsh]

perchance

[harsh spear]

does snail games have impact on upcoming ASA and ARK 2 ?

[drowsy hamlet]

That will be 5 tera bite to download 😂

[neon meteor]

I second that. I always forget where TF I planted my narcoberries.

[winged dome]

Would be nice for wild bushes too. Maybe generic bushes give the regular random smattering of berries but mostly fiber while dedicated berry bushes give a lot more of specific berry types. I know at one point WC had berry specific plants in their radar a long time ago

[hazy elm]

Ark 2 needs massive bosses like dark souls that can be solo'd or grouped for

super hard but good loot

Make the pve better

[winged dome]

Massive and soloable are usually contradictory - at least outside of power fantasy type games

[blissful perch]

I think it was dropped because resources can quickly become unavailable based on the structure clear radius, and you because need so damn many of them

[winged dome]

Makes sense

[blissful perch]

I think the genesis solution of plants with variable drop rates works though - stuff with say 80% narco still ensures you can get what’s needed without losing the immersion of variable plant harvesting nodes

[blissful perch]

This is what bosses should aspire to be. Ideally with restrictions in place (and scaling difficulty based on playercount)

I’d kill to have a really solid boss fight that mandates the use of a small mount like a raptor

[blissful perch]

This right here is the centerpiece imo of ark 2’s long term success. What IS good loot

Ark 1’s loot system imo is all kinds of borked. Wildly OP gear with stats that absolutely trash the PvE balance and cost heinous (sometimes uncraftable) amounts of resources

But what can ark 2 do to fix it? I don’t know the best answer to this. MHW style loot would be cool, but since ark loot can always be stolen or destroyed, it feels like ark 2 can’t use the same system of ultra rare drops (unless they can be mass produced like capped BPs)

[hazy elm]

High quality armor and weapons/bps from them

Including high quality dino armor

and weapons that have unique playstyles and/or effects

[earnest path]

Bro I over heard news about Ark 95

[blissful perch]

Exactly the opposite of what I think a good idea would be - see my above message

Unique weapons would be cool, or a unique tame…perhaps special engrams. But comically high stats on gear is what ruins ark PvE so profoundly

[mint swan]

dw, by then everyone will own an advanced NASA Super Computer.

[odd briar]

Will they be shutting down official servers for asa

[winged dome]

Ark SE Official servers will be shut down August 31st

Ark Asc Official servers will probably last a few years, then also likely shut down at some point

[blissful perch]

I wouldn't be shocked if ASA and ark 2 servers stayed online roughly the same duration

[ripe cedar]

Ark 2 ascended when?

[winged dome]

Prob before the Animated Series Asc drops

[ripe cedar]

And then we would have ark survival infinity

[drowsy hamlet]

Oh alright we be oke then

Will be gaming with our mind no controllers anymore

[mint swan]

i use a keyboard steam ftw.

[untold ingot]

Nasa computers for the most part are worse than normal gaming computers jaja

[ripe cedar]

Are you sure about that

[untold ingot]

I worked on a fair few of them

The big super computers are usually in different companies, or at universities

[ripe cedar]

Well yeah they are not meant to run games

But that doesnt make them worse computers

As long as they do the job they were designed for well

[blissful perch]

NASA supercomputers are impressive - average NASA computers are likely no better than the government standard (ie bad)

[ripe cedar]

Well when most people say nasa computer

They almost always are referring to the super ones

[untold ingot]

Nasa uses other people's supercomputers usually

[blissful perch]

like many things, on the ground it's often contractors/contracted things

but I'd presume like so many government contracted things, it's functionally identical

[untold ingot]

I mean, they aren't nasas computers usually

[tropic crag]

I love semantics

[sonic storm]

What is up with ark 1.5

[drowsy hamlet]

See in ark I just can't use a keyboard

Not used to it

[worldly garden]

Nothing.

[astral token]

Incorrect, it’s the skybox.

[south mortar]

I’m sticking to ARK XP

[winged dome]

ArkS DOS

[left arch]

Ark java

[tropic crag]

I prefer Arkdows Vista, best looking one for sure

[mint swan]

The joke become instantly unfunny when you tried to join in

[left arch]

Jesus man

Went for the throat

[full berry]

bro went for the jugular

[thorny bronze]

Release date

[mint swan]

ark 2 will be "released late 2024" but, they gonna start pulling a scrap mechanic.

[blazing mango]

yEAH , I used to work on one , we used it for imaging using a big microscope and that PC was a Beast. The graphics card alone was worth more then half the stuff in that lab.

i was always tempted to install a game inside it xD

[somber rock]

Realese Date?

[untold ingot]

Google

[left arch]

Late 2024 is the current one

[somber rock]

Late 2024

🙂

[soft steppe]

Don't worry there will be unforeseen events that will delay it more

[tropic crag]

I sure hope so

[mellow wadi]

what graphics card?

[blazing mango]

No idea, it was big though. I haven't seen the purchase list since administration is the one who deals with those kind of stuff but we did ask and all they said was what i posted on my first post. I am sure its a good gpu though , otherwise we would not been able to see what we do on the pc.

this was back in 2020 btw

[mellow wadi]

oh damn

alr, so im guessing 4090s r better than that now

[blazing mango]

true, but the one we have works like a charm for now

[mellow wadi]

but im guessing it was more of a titan series gpu, not 30 series or 20series

any idea of the price?

[blazing mango]

we do live cell imaging on it and that needs a big gpu and cpu.

[mellow wadi]

yeah, probably nvidia titan rtx, which is mainly used for grapics designing, researchers, developers, etc

[blazing mango]

im not a pc tech savy so il have to take your word there. Im more of a microscopes dude.

[mellow wadi]

nice

idk man, im not a pc tech savvy either but i know a lot abt computers and ai. I'm only 14:)

[blazing mango]

thats nice , the more you know , the doors open in your job options. i learned that the hard way

[mellow wadi]

true.

idk tho, I'm not rly a job kind of a person, more of a making jobs for people type.

[blazing mango]

you do what you love the most, thats the best kind of job

[mellow wadi]

alr, well we should get back to the ark 2 topic 😅

[mellow wadi]

fr

[ashen abyss]

when is ASA releasing?

[stray elm]

Sometime in August.

[ashen abyss]

daaamn super close

[gusty ermine]

Hopefully it doesn’t get delayed

[tropic crag]

Hopefully it does

Pain

Chaos

[split dove]

Salt

Tomfoolery

[wary reef]

[tropic forge]

you mean sometime on september

[stray elm]

Haha, very funny and original delay joke.
Going to keep saying August until they do delay it.

[tropic forge]

aint a joke, just following what they said, official servers ofr ark1 ends on the end of august short follow ASA launch but yet believe what you think

[stray elm]

Shortly after can be a week, to literal hours before ASA's release

They could shut down the servers for ASE the day before ASA comes out.
We just don't know, cause a delay hasn't happened yet.

[tropic forge]

"This also impacted our decision to sunset the ASE Official Network offline on August 31st, shortly before the ASA launch."

if you wanna count hours, minutes or second go ahead

[stray elm]

Yeah, I'll count hours.
Not unrealistic to think they'll shut down servers, just to reboot them back up for another game hours between.

[tropic forge]

well if they gonna keep their word those servers are going to the trash since they gonna use more update servers so dosent matter if they clean those servers or not

[blissful perch]

I think September is pretty reasonable

And it shocks me to agree with Fox 😅

[stray elm]

Right, but if we think of it as a business standpoint. It'd make more sense to shut down the servers of your product hours before the release of the new product, versus shutting down your servers weeks before the release.
They admitted official being the minority, but it's still a minority to capitalize on.
Shutting down the official networks, then letting nothing happen for a week or two would heavily damage the already minority of that playerbase.
But if they do it hours beforehand, then it wouldn't have as much impact on that playerbase/people moving to other games.
Not saying it 'isn't' going to be delayed, this is Wildcard.
But I think it's more likely that the servers will shut down 'hours' before release, then weeks.

[blissful perch]

If it were me, I’d release ASA a week before shutting ASE servers down

However, it’s not me. September seems pretty reasonable all things considered 😅

[tropic forge]

its minority now after 8 years keep that in mind plus when they said "shortly before the ASA launch" i believe gonna be couple days not weeks

[stray elm]

I could see like 3-4 days.
I just think a week or more would start to damage that playerbase.

[tropic forge]

not really

whats gonna damage will be before the launch for those that play official, but whit a pause if you really like the game the "hunger" will return to play the game again either ark 1 or ASA

[blissful perch]

It’ll likely be at least a week before official is playable for 90% of players 😂. Flashback to every MMO launch ever where servers get trashed on launch day

[stray elm]

True.

[tropic forge]

well its suppose to be a "remaster" not a brand new idea of a game so they better have a good launch or i can see another battlefield fiasco

[tropic crag]

As if even half the players that even play official will be jumping on to play the new one, at least, going off the comments typically made by that minor section of the playerbase

I foresee a pretty easy launch tbh

[stray elm]

Don't you love the concept of the loud-minorities?

[blissful perch]

It’s…pretty normal

[tropic crag]

What is?

[blissful perch]

People will show up - but will WC predict the number well enough to have adequate servers hosted that don’t crash or lag?

[blissful perch]

This

[tropic crag]

I have him blocked, so I can't see what you're replying to lmao

But I think they'll overshoot it if anything

[blissful perch]

It doesn’t jump to the blocked message in question? That’s amusing

[stray elm]

Oh nice, he has me blocked?

[blissful perch]

Doubtful. Of all the indie MMO launches I’ve seen…it’s pretty uncommon to have a smooth launch day

Even some of the big AAA MMO launches have a screwy experience

[tropic crag]

Yeah, it just shows up as I sent in the other server

[stray elm]

We'll see how much of Wildcard's issues where with the engine, but I doubt it'll have a 'smooth' launch.

[tropic crag]

Not clickable either

[blissful perch]

Weird

[tropic crag]

Idk, most of the ones I've been into on launch day have been fine

[stray elm]

Wait, so did Bruise block me on purpose, and his 'show-message' is just being fucky, or is Discord just being weird for him?

[random dirge]

When is ark 2 going to come out and is all of ark 1's server going to go bye bye?

[winged dome]

Ark1 servers shutting down August 31st, Ark2 late 2024

[harsh spear]

i think the majority of official players have already quit because there is no reason in continue playing. Basically everyone who gets raided at this point is stupid to play on

but im seriously concerned whether the new servers are gonna be exploited with admin powers

like they did with conquest servers

also pay2win might become a thing since now snail game can impact the development decisions

[stray elm]

They always could.

But Wildcard has multiple times, threaten to strike if they pulled that shit.

[gusty ermine]

I checked yesterday and I saw a bunch of oficial servers empty

Y’all think ark asa will be delayed?

[stray elm]

Normally I'd say 'yes'
But this is a new product, with hopefully new coding.
Hard to say if the delays are due to technical stuff, or just internal deadlines.

[gusty ermine]

Do you know of ragnarok will be available at launch of ark Asa?

[stray elm]

No, only The-Island and Scorched

Custom-Maps will come I believe after the Story-maps

Okay, not 'after' but overtime throughout 2024.
Just rechecked

[gusty ermine]

Awesome thanks. Is Abb releasing this year!?

Can’t wait to play ark asa 😩😩

[stray elm]

Yes, Q4 of this year

So near the end of it, is the plan.

Then Q1st of 2024 for Extinction.

[gusty ermine]

Awesome, thanks for the info. Do you know When is the next community crunch?

[stray elm]

Every Friday

[gusty ermine]

Can’t wait to see more. Have they said anything about showing gameplay or something on the new engine?

[stray elm]

They stated "we're waiting till the game is in a more finished state to show gameplay"
And the engine is on Unreal-Engine 5, if you didn't know that.

[worldly garden]

Gameplay will likely be early August, unlikely any time before that.

[untold ingot]

They have been saying they aren't showing gameplay yet for like 3 weeks lol

[gusty ermine]

So Ark ASA won’t have cryopods at launch right? 💀

[ripe cedar]

we dont know

but i hope not, they probably will be there though

[worldly garden]

They might do, we don't know yet, but they have hinted at having some QoL content from other DLCs at the start.

[serene onyx]

I only hope they aren’t

[worldly garden]

Actually aren't crypods part of the base game now?

[serene onyx]

Yeah now they are

[worldly garden]

Then that answers the question I guess.

[serene onyx]

Ig so, kinda sucks if they are tho

[gusty ermine]

Wait really?

[worldly garden]

yeah pretty sure they are.

[grand lynx]

Yeah they are, since around valg launch I believe

When they upped the org poly stacks as well

[fickle hollow]

Is ark 2 just for ps5 and not 4 when it eventually gets released ?

[mint swan]

Most likely, I’m not 100% sure though. Most games are moving away from old gen, no reason why to jump through hoops for game performance

[fickle hollow]

Would make sense I’m just trying to work out if@my sister needs to jump to ps5 now or not

[split dove]

it's already confirmed to be next gen only for Xbox, so when it comes to playstation it will likely also be next gen only

[blissful perch]

I’d assume PS5 is required - although maybe the PS6 will drop before ark 2 does for PlayStation

[worldly garden]

ARK 2 definitely won't be on PS4, I mean look at ASA.

[long sparrow]

ark2 isn't going to be on ps5 at launch just PC and xbox as its a timed exclusive. both ASA and ark2 will be next gen only so no PS4/xbox one

[stray elm]

I think ASA should have gradual weathers.

Cause currently on The-Island, if you're standing on a beach it's like 60 degrees.
But then you go a little bit closer till you're technically in the artic, and it's suddenly 26 degrees

[rancid harness]

I'm hoping that's the case too. Might be harder to set up though.

[stray elm]

Sure, but ASA is planned to have years of support.
So even as a later on update, would be nice

[rancid harness]

Who knows lol. I expect ASA to be a 1:1 remake of ASE at launch and steadily developed over time, but I'd be VERY happy to be surprised 😉

[stray elm]

Gameplay-wise, sure.
But visually it's already hella different

[rancid harness]

Lol yep, that's a given with just nanite and lumen being part of ue5

[stray elm]

I don't mean that, I mean the meshes they revealed

Like the supply-drops dropping their original generic sci-fi look, and going with the more biomechanical feel.

[oak kernel]

anyone got an image of the supply drops, I heard a decent amount about them but can't find an image anywhere

[stray elm]

I'll link it

[oak kernel]

aight

[stray elm]

https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/articles.html/community-crunch-359-ark-2-carnotaurus-saddle-concept-and-asa-comparison-r2087/

[oak kernel]

carno saddle?

[stray elm]

Scroll down

[oak kernel]

oh shiiii

bro that is so sick wth

[stray elm]

I know, right?

Imagine the different colors.
I wanna see how it looks with red LEDs instead of purple.

[oak kernel]

kinda glad they're gonna change the texture from blocks to future design

[stray elm]

Yeah.
It's more in line with the ARK's biomechanical-like feeling.

[oak kernel]

fr

[stray elm]

Kind of hope the obelisks also get a revamp.
Would love if they have more of that metal-flesh the supply-drops have now.

[oak kernel]

especially with all the genesis stuff in evolved, it just makes sense that the next game in line looks more futuristic

[stray elm]

Well, the Genesis-maps take a different artstyle for tek since it's a different faction that made those maps.

[oak kernel]

I wish to see the same honestly, that would look so sick, seeing a more "alive" metal type instead of the carbon fiber look they have now

[stray elm]

If you look at the tek on Genesis-2, it's a lot more metalic.
That's due to the Federations style for tek.
The ARK's are made from the URE, which relied more of biomechanical stuff, blending biology and mechanics into one station.

[stray elm]

Exactly!
The ARK's are suppose to feel almost alien in nature, like they're alive.
Would be sick if they applied this to environmental story-telling.

[oak kernel]

Is it even worth getting the dlcs for evolved anymore since ascended is gonna drop soon

[stray elm]

Nah.

Just get ASA.
59.99$ USD for the base-game and ALL dlc's.

[oak kernel]

okay

so if you get asa it comes with all dlcs?

[stray elm]

Yep, and the game itself.

[oak kernel]

damn, I got evolved for free like 3 years ago on Ps+ then was gonna buy the dlcs but never got around to it

[stray elm]

The only thing that'll be separate is a new planned story DLC that'll be exclusive for ASA

[oak kernel]

so same maps in the dlcs?

[stray elm]

Yeah, all of the maps from Survival-Evolved are part of the base-game for Survival-Ascended.
Any future DLC's exclusive for ASA will be paid though.

[oak kernel]

oh okay, so if I brought asa on release it comes with everything the dlcs give on evolved? if so then I'' just hold my money

[stray elm]

Correct, but anything that's new to the ARK IP like future DLC's will be paid.

[oak kernel]

ok

[stray elm]

Personally, that's a fucking steal.
60$ USD for the base-game, and 'all' of the DLC's from Survival-Evolved?

[oak kernel]

wait, asa and ark 2 are 2 completely different games?

[stray elm]

Correct.

ASA is a remake of Survival-Evolved, which is ARK-1.

[oak kernel]

I'm in NZ so it'll be like $110

[stray elm]

Still, the same price for a AAA game for a base-game and all previous DLC's.

[oak kernel]

oh okay, so there'll be ark 1, ark 1.2 and ark 2

[stray elm]

Correct.
ARK 1 will no longer be content supported, and will only have bug fixes after July.
ARK 1.2 will continue development content wise for years to come, with ARK-2 alongside it.

[oak kernel]

oh okay

damn, ark evolved will be left in the dust but then they'll be working on improving asa and Ark 2

[stray elm]

Yep.
It's to be expected of a nearly decade old game

[oak kernel]

had good memories on evolved, will still play singleplayer and multiplayer with friends cause I just looked it up and asa is releasing august this year on new gen/pc

so my friend on PS4 can't get it lmao

[stray elm]

Yeah, it's a next-gen title

[oak kernel]

my friend can't afford new gen so I'm just gonna spam invite him to asa every day

cause he loves ark

[ripe cedar]

They are planning multiple dlcs for asa

[stray elm]

So far only one is confirmed.

[ripe cedar]

According to snail games shareholder meeting 1-2 planned to be out by the time ark 2 comes out so probably planning at least 2 minimum at this time

[stray elm]

Where was this stated?

[oak kernel]

1939

[gloomy prawn]

Hopefully Nitrado will be supported quickly so I can switch my server over from SE so ASA -.-

[stray elm]

Nitrado is already supported?

Oh, you meant for ASA

Well, I would figure so since Wildcard runs their servers on Nitrado

[gloomy prawn]

Yeah when genesis 2 came out though they made us pay for larger player base servers if we wanted that map.
I wonder if they will do the same for Asa

But regardless can’t wait.

[stray elm]

I think that's on Nitrado though, no?

[gloomy prawn]

Yea

[tropic crag]

I sure hope Nitrado isn't all we can get for ASA or Ark 2, fuck Shitrado honestly, they can burn for how they run their business

[gloomy prawn]

Understand that, I can only access my server 60% of the time. Sue to a lot of issues and maint on their side and disconnections.

[tropic crag]

My whole cluster goes down just about every week ever since they shit the bed a few weeks back, some of my players have lost characters back to back over it to just by joining certain maps

[tawny sorrel]

Having it delayed is kinda good for me raising money for ark 2 but it’s bullshit to have ark ascended but ngl it’s kinda cool

[tawny sorrel]

Fr

[gloomy prawn]

Yeah, and I have to restart it in the middle of the night a lot cause I start getting messages that no one can retrieve address or just randomly.

[tropic crag]

Yep, just the average Nitrado experience right there lmao

Not to mention, they can just simply block your support messages if they don't feel like dealing with you

It's fully within their terms, apparently, or something

[gloomy prawn]

Hey ark, make some extra $$ and become a server host for your own game. No third parties. Maybe?,.. an idea? Just throwing it out there

[tropic crag]

At the very least, let us Xbox players use like Gportal or at least some other provider that doesn't have a monopoly via contract and doesn't treat us like shit

[gloomy prawn]

I used g portal for Conan Exiles. Never had issues with them. I forgot about them.

[tropic crag]

They are great as far as I've heard/seen, never hear about a bad time with their servers

Anywho, let's not get too off topic, lest we be smit by the mods themselves (even though this is pretty darn pertinent to Ark 2, imo)

[gloomy prawn]

I was going to say as well. That’s why I stopped. I didn’t want to get shunned if we got to far off topic. But I agree we are in point talking about how or who to host our own sessions of ark 2 on console. As our experiences on Console for SE wasn’t to great.

I bad host can ruin the experience of a great game quickly.

Ark 2 give us more hand to hand combat weapons? Battle axes, knives, swords? Let us customize hilts and blades with gathered materials, trophies, artifacts. Let me add oil to my blades and use flint, spark powder, to ignite it to fight bugs in cave runs. Let my sword act as a torch and weapon. Maybe? XD

[oak kernel]

good ideas, unfortunately, lystro

[fallow niche]

You're fine

[tropic crag]

I do really hope we get like, souls-y weapon coatings that are temporary and change the damage type dramatically, of course fire is one that I think of/comes to mind first as well, but with metal weapons maybe we could have a current run through them for electric damage (maybe does more stun damage than raw damage?), or things like narcotic coatings for blades or even poison for various things (mainly arrows, please let us dip our arrows in poison lol)

[gloomy prawn]

I was thinking the same,
Collect venoms for poison DOT arrows,coatings. Fire, arthro acidic weapons for damaging armor in pvp.
Add electronics to weapons for paralysis, stun effect. Etc.

Can’t have the Dino’s be doing ALL the work.

[tropic crag]

I also like to be on foot Turok man for at least some of the game 🤝

[gloomy prawn]

I loved that game played it all the time with friends and siblings.

I’d like to camo up and not be riding something. Have some nice tools to pvp with

[tropic crag]

Wish they'd do a reboot of it, but actually good and not Turok 2008 lol. But yeah, painting ourselves like the environment would be cool

[gloomy prawn]

I’d like a better “drag body” and not be so glitchy

Idk give me conan style let me drag you with rope

Or be-able to drag bodies of smaller Dino’s you have unconscious with a rope pulled sleigh? Platform?
Have a small medium large platform that uses tamed dinosaurs to pull it.

[tropic crag]

Carts, maybe. Like, you knock a dino out, and you can put it on a cart so it isn't completely stationary (and therefore vulnerable)

But I suspect we'll see few knockout tames anyways, idk if they should put that much work into a system such as that

[gloomy prawn]

Yeah a lot of work, just dreaming.
I mean a wall of spikes works fine xD in those random hazardous areas, but like being able to drag them out of water cause idk why they love to run and start water wading till they pass out and drown lol

[tropic crag]

Always thought it was funny that every creature in the game just about, when facing being knocked out, just decides "nah, I'd rather DIE by DROWNING"

[worldly garden]

If you buy ASA on release it will come with The Island and Scorched Earth. The other DLCs will be releasing over time into 2024.

[worldly garden]

It was mentioned by Jim Tsai in the Snail Games webcast when they released their financial reports recently. He basically just said there will be 1 or 2 new DLCs before ARK 2 releases.

[winged dome]

The price for Ark2 has not been revealed yet

[gusty ermine]

I really hope ark ASA isn’t delayed. But it’s it doesn’t make sense that oficial servers are shutting down august 31 and Ark ASA it’s releasing at the end of August(??

[serene onyx]

The 31st is the end of August.

[south lance]

i just hope they dont recycle those servers

and instead get better ones

[tropic crag]

Yeah 😐

[winged dome]

We don't have an official release date for Ark Asc, aside from 'shortly after Officials shut down'

Unless I missed something

[tropic crag]

They've said end of August several times

You did, in fact, miss something 😂

[winged dome]

I mean like, an official date. The wording of sunsetting Officials on August 31st before Ark Asc's release is a little odd. They're futureproofing for a possible delay

[grim copper]

Who says we gonna see a rock next from ASA

[tropic crag]

I don't see why they can't release ASA later that day, even the same rough time as they take down ASE's servers, seeing as how the servers are not going to be repurposed from what we've been told (UE5 Ark needs better servers to run well or something, I don't remember but it was along those lines)

[unborn trail]

ARK > RUST

[worldly garden]

I think they intend to release it later that day. only thing is they don't give themselves any window to prevent it being September. 🤣

[tropic crag]

I mean, if they're that confident, then good for them

I'd rather have a confident dev than not tbh

[blissful perch]

Confidence is how WC winds up having to back pedal though 😅

[blissful perch]

They also said something to the effect of “delays happen and yes we may miss some deadlines” in a recent cc. So I’d expect some form of delay, even if minor, is pretty possible if not likely. Better delayed than miserably unplayable or incomplete, but that does undermine a confident stance on a release date

[flint palm]

Delayed again?

[stray elm]

He's not a community-manager?

He doesn't even have the Wildcard role.

[gloomy prawn]

Or a different tree!

[gusty ermine]

Or maybe a 5 min gameplay 🥸

[tropic forge]

🍿

[mint swan]

?

[nova sonnet]

hot take: more building options please 😄

pve strucutres only obviously

i dont wanna trigger any ark "veteran" that has phobia for tek

[blissful perch]

Always down for more building options

I dislike the tek tier balance wise not aesthetically. Would be nice to have more than one wood/stone/etc…we did get confirmation of multiple woods but idk if that’ll mean multiple types of wood structure

[nova sonnet]

and regarding maps, reverse scorched earth wouild be nice

a map full of ice

makes ice wyvern canon

ik ppl r asking for an ocean dlc but this is more promising

besides, ocean is prettty easy

you tame a tuso and u win

[blissful perch]

The ocean is easy because it’s badly designed

Hence the need for a DLC lol

Whereas ice maps are kinda boring and overdone. Every map has a cold biome…what would an ice DLC provide that’s much different?

[nova sonnet]

what would an ocean DLC provide to the other maps

they will remain with easy ocean

i seee a pattern

dont add anything, rework eevrything

[blissful perch]

For ark 2? There IS no ocean

We have no confirmation of an ark 2 ocean -> so the argument as I made it boils down to “don’t make a sloppy ocean for ark 2’s base game, instead make a really impressive one as an ocean DLC”

[nova sonnet]

oh wait ur talking about ark 2

wel I AM in the ark2 channel;

[blissful perch]

Correct, that’s the chat we’re in lol

[nova sonnet]

thought this was ark 1.5 XDDD

[blissful perch]

Fair to be irritated then lol. Ocean dlc would be dumb for ASA

[nova sonnet]

but not ice dlc 😄

nvm its same problem

i would say rework everything then add new dlcs but thjat would be asking too much

lets not bring our hopes up

[blissful perch]

I’m curious what they do for a final DLC. Do they take a genesis 1 route with lots of normal biomes, or an extinction/Gen 2 route where it’s a fantasy biome?

[nova sonnet]

praying its fantasy

the canon dlc they adding for ark 1.5 later on shgould be fantasy

and its probably gfonna be arat prime

[blissful perch]

It could be a prequel

[nova sonnet]

thats what im saying

[blissful perch]

Oh wait lol Arat prime is the prequel

[nova sonnet]

it only makes sense

you gotta fill in the gameplay gap between extinction and gen1

[blissful perch]

They could do other stuff - like the “first ark”

[nova sonnet]

you mean the prototype ark?

[blissful perch]

Or the first functional one

Could even do earth but after tek war and before extinction/the arks

[nova sonnet]

mega sequel

i still think arat prime is the better choice

extinction is nice so im hoping its similar

[blissful perch]

Agreed - but WC makes the lore, so they can write up lore to explain anything they want

That could include a pretty awesome map we didn’t expect

[nova sonnet]

hope so

when gen2 trailer came out i thouught there would be alot of unique areas

like where the missions take place

[blissful perch]

Gen 2 was weird. Had some awesome under the hood concepts. But in practice it felt so dang boring

[nova sonnet]

no caves, 3 biomes only

does ocean even count

theres no reason to go there XD and its ez to miss

[blissful perch]

The asteroid belt mechanic and improved missions were amazing conceptually. But then flaws started to show up lol

The SUMP was an awesome idea to get an ocean on an otherwise dry map, but it was kinda…not wrapped into any other part of the map

[nova sonnet]

eden and rockwell are very bland if you compare them to aberration biomes gameplay wise

since u basically fly around there's no reason to tame anything

on abb you lose your sanity trying to get a rock drake egg

if they made gen2 super super hard that will justify the free tek suits

even rockwell prime is easy

unironically the hardest part in gen2 is not getting knocked out by the euptyrid when spawning

[rapid oar]

Yeah

[rapid oar]

Correct but that’s cause the lack of flyers so it balanced

[blissful perch]

flier free maps imo are instantly better

would be nice to find a way to force fliers away from the role of "oops the game can be avoided because I'm above it"

[split dove]

lvl 35 or 37 pte taming go brr

[tropic crag]

I still think there needed to be missions you could only do in the SUMP, big missed opportunity there imo

[blissful perch]

SUMP did need SOME reason to exist baked into the map rather than "it's there"

[tropic crag]

I mean, you can get karkinos and biotoxin? /hs

Yeah, it do be pretty useless... hope they revamp it a lil bit in ASA

[rapid oar]

Yeah

[rapid oar]

I love krabs

[tropic crag]

Don't get me wrong, karkinos are great (and need to be made breedable please dear god), but they're pretty useless on Gen 2 honestly

[blissful perch]

Everything is useless on Gen 2 except stryders manes and maewings 😅😅

Sorry, and the tek fed suit

[rapid oar]

I thought they where

[blissful perch]

Nope. unbreedable

[tropic crag]

And they could be so much better by just letting them breed so I can at least make them look cool so I have something to do with them lol

They have genders btw, just not breedable

[blissful perch]

Karkinos are instantly outclassed by a flier

A whole class of creatures become viable when fliers are booted out of the picture

[tropic crag]

True and real

Here's hoping flier balance is attainable 🤞

(I have no idea how though LMAO)

[blissful perch]

There are solutions…but who knows if they’ll happen

You can’t have fliers compete with grounded tames, which is the crux of the issue. You need to remove flier - ground interactions that favor the flier

[tropic crag]

True, I could see there being a thing where fliers maybe have like... a poise system? If that makes sense? As in, you take X amount of damage in Y amount of time, and you become grounded or something (kinda like giga rage, now that I think about it 😅. ) But I have no idea how they'd be able to implement it without fliers becoming useless since damage is so fluctuant with BPs and crafting skill and mutations

[blissful perch]

Mutations 😡

[tropic crag]

Yeah 😕

[blissful perch]

I’d far prefer fliers just do near 0 damage to anything on the ground

And take extra damage/have less health

[tropic crag]

I hope they just cap mutations at the very least, then it'd be far less of an issue

[blissful perch]

Let them occupy a scout/support role, but not a damage role

[tropic crag]

Now THAT would make fliers useless lmao

[blissful perch]

*ideal

Let fliers counter other fliers, and act as transport or support

[tropic crag]

Some fliers whole thing is damage, like what

[blissful perch]

Yep. So undo that

[tropic crag]

Lemme just un-breath my wyvern real quick

[blissful perch]

If you want a damaging flier, it’s so you can dogfight and pick off other fliers

You could easily make breath attacks do near 0 damage and just impart a debuff (if wyverns even arrive in ark 2, which I hope they don’t)

[tropic crag]

I'm sorry but that's silly

We're talking about ASA though?

[blissful perch]

No lmao. Ark 2

[nova sonnet]

just give ground dinos tools to fend off fliers

[blissful perch]

ASA won’t see any major fixes to fliers. It’s a dead topic

[tropic crag]

No, pretty sure we're talking about ASA

Have been since the karkinos thing, maybe even before then

[blissful perch]

This was the “start” with no mention of ASA

Unless you thought the SUMP revamp meant we were only chatting ASA? I assumed you meant ark 2 when you pivoted to talk of fliers - since that’s what I did

Fliers in ark 1 and ASA are a sailed ship

[tropic crag]

Hardly, the whole game is being revamped for a reason

If we voice the issues, there's a chance they get fixed

[serene onyx]

How do you know?

[tropic crag]

Hence my mutation cap comment

[blissful perch]

Too many fliers are intrinsically meant for flier - ground combat. Same with their stats

[serene onyx]

You got secret access or somethin?

[blissful perch]

ASA is meant to cater to ark 1 players, while ark 2 is meant to progress the series. So why would they redesign fliers from the ground up? Makes no sense

[tropic crag]

Not redesign, just rebalance

[blissful perch]

Since that would be required to “fix” them in ASA. I can’t imagine they’d ruin the skiff or wyverns to do the needed rebalance

[tropic crag]

Skiff could go unchanged for all I care, if you get the skiff, you earned it

[blissful perch]

The skiff broke Ab for good - I resent it for that

[tropic crag]

But the poise system I mentioned could be implemented easily I'd think, probably in ASE even lol

[blissful perch]

Yea but it would suck lol

[tropic crag]

Bet there's a mod that does just that

[blissful perch]

You get shot by a fabi and grounded -> rip

No counterplay to it either

[tropic crag]

Hence my statement on the matter of fluctuant damage and the issues it brings to the enrage-esque mechanics in the game

[blissful perch]

It also has no impact on PvE, unless you want a PvE dogfight to end in two grounded fliers poking each other lol

[tropic crag]

I very much disagree, it would make flyer combat much more interesting and involved. You'd have to take into account that, if you attack this creature, you could be grounded and forced to fight whatever is on the ground as well, so it poses a risk reward thing

But obviously there'd be reduced ground buildup from other fliers

[blissful perch]

I’m not sure how to help you if you don’t see that as really bizarre. “I’m gonna fight a flier” becomes two grounded flying animals attacking each other? Count me out

[blissful perch]

There’s NOTHING obvious about that lmao

[tropic crag]

I mean, it's obvious to me, like how the thing where flyers doing zero damage to ground dinos is the "obvious" route in your opinion

When in reality, it'd make the game unfun

[blissful perch]

It’s not “obvious” so much as a solution available

Alternatives that don’t reduce the strength of flier - ground interactions to account for fliers having the ability to engage whenever they want -> lost cause

My suggestion is just one of many that achieves that outcome

[tropic crag]

Poise does reduce flier to ground viability, though?

As they then are less inclined to attack ground units, lest they be grounded

[blissful perch]

Through the severe limitation of player agency (since I assume you lose freedom of movement when grounded)

[tropic crag]

As much as landing normally limits you, sure

[blissful perch]

A dogfight would basically be a test of “who gets grounded first” before anything interesting happens between two equal footed airborne creatures

It just sounds like a big risk to come for player agency. Nobody likes to watch while their flier spirals helplessly to the ground to get steamrolled

[tropic crag]

And it's not like every PvPer (the ones who will actually use this mechanic tbh) isn't running a suit and can't just abandon ship lol

[vapid panther]

Maybe terrain becomes relevant in flyer vs ground. If dinos cant see you behind a boulder it implies a directional attack wont hit you either.

[blissful perch]

Uh what Hermes?

A flier is above you and thus above a rock or other terrain

[split dove]

weren't they planning on doing that? but iirc they didn't do it and just added that lvl cap bc players would lose stuff and cry. now with ASA it's the perfect moment to do it

[tropic crag]

Almost as big a risk as leaving fliers as they are, I'd say 😂

[blissful perch]

Leaving fliers as they are is safer across the board than a bad solution

If you’re gonna eat bad PR for a major rebalance (especially a nerf) it needs to be a strong solution

[tropic crag]

And, again, fliers would deal reduced (or even zero, if it really comes down to it) grounding damage to eachother

You seem to be ignoring that point

[blissful perch]

0 and reduced aren’t the same. My statement stands if it’s reduced

If it’s 0, there’s thin room for discussion…but I’m really not sure how getting 2-3 shots with a fabi off would play. I presume you’ll say that it’ll be insufficient to ground? To which I’ll ask how you intend to ground a flier

A velo would do it nearly instantly I suppose…or a turret. But I’m not sure what else is really anti air on the ground that can do a ton of sustained damage to knock a flier out of the sky. Assuming a capped fabi doesn’t work like a rhino charge and one shot the mechanic like rhinos instant rage gigas

[tropic crag]

I wouldn't have the slightest idea how to gauge whether or not a fabi shot should ground any given flier, because like I said the damage in the game is very wacky and I don't know how to account for it if it's not going to be reasonably capped

So the discussion kinda grinds to a halt right there if we have little to no input on the other factors, I think

[blissful perch]

I think there’s a better shot for BP and mutation changes than flier changes in ASA

The most I can hope for in regards to fliers is that Ab and Gen 1 get tighter restrictions to keep out gliders or other things that break the map balance

[tropic crag]

Keep out gliders? Uhhhh, the rock drake is a glider, sir

But I get it, I think it'd be more efficient to just reclassify the maewing, managarmr, and bloodstalker as flyers tbh

Since they can start their crazy as fuck OP movement from literally wherever they want, and the rock drake has to get up high first (and is a true glider)

I don't know how I feel about the skiff being disallowed, though. I mean, Gen 1 is where you get it, for god's sake. But maybe disallowing it's construction on Aberration would be ok? Idk how I feel about it as I don't use skiffs for anything other than taming noglins on Gen 2

[blissful perch]

Skiff would have to exist on Gen 1

Just hard banned on Ab. Same with manas, maewings, etc

[tropic crag]

As would the rock drake's access to the map, imo

[blissful perch]

Drakes are kinda worse stalkers, but it’s not unreasonable to mutually ban them from each other’s maps

[tropic crag]

Drakes are nowhere near bloodstalkers lmao

[nova sonnet]

#BUFF DOCK RRAKE

[tropic crag]

They're breedable, so I'm good, but I wouldn't say no to it

[nova sonnet]

make them apply radiation on bite 😄

[blissful perch]

Thank god WC ignores us for balance most of the time

[tropic crag]

Now that is something I'd like to see from a creature in the future, holy shit I literally was thinking this the other day no joke

[tropic crag]

I mean, there's been nothing to balance, ASE is dying so why try to balance anything lol

But the new stuff, they just may take hints for

[blissful perch]

Even the new community creatures thankfully do not get their full community suite

[blissful perch]

8 years of ark, and I can count on two hands the number of major balance changes

[tropic crag]

Well yeah, that's a given

[blissful perch]

I’m fine with consistency. Rocking the boat makes people mad. But…there are some oof things I’d like to see changed going forward that I suspect are for ark 2

[nova sonnet]

its not a super special ability like what wyverns have but if the radiation damage is based on percent health max dmg it'll be a great soaker killer

oh yeah, mobile soaker killer than can glide, equip tek saddle and is tanky

[tropic crag]

Hasn't really been all that much asked for that hasn't already been done, besides like making certain things breedable

Percent based damage 🤮

[blissful perch]

Cave meta disagreed