ark-2

[blissful perch]

WC can’t meet deadlines, but they do tend to be honest beyond that

[wintry cape]

I can't do much useful googling right now but I'm very sure that if someone tries, they will find audio recordings of WC/SG talking quarterly finance stuff

this is typically very available to the public

[radiant tiger]

What should I look up to try and find the contracts?

If they are public

[tame geode]

How do we know? I'm sure WC wants the best for both the community and their business, but a large part of the concern is the fact they've massively hurt their credibility by saying, "X will be free", and then backtracking on that. Even if they were forced to do so, what else will they have to back track on?

[blissful perch]

They changed what X was

[wintry cape]

2023 financial year is starting this week, so there was probably a big discussion 2-3 weeks ago

[blissful perch]

X was an UE5 direct port. Asa is NOT just an UE5 port. It’s a balance and performance pass, a bunch of QoL, and a new DLC

[desert swallow]

"Due to unforeseen circumstances Ark 2 will not have souls like combat"

[blissful perch]

I don’t love the price tag either, but I’m being fair by admitting ASA is not what was originally mentioned as a free update

[wintry cape]

If SG/WC are listed as public companies, or someone closely related to them is, then you can go to SEC ( Securities Exchange Commission) and read the published accounts for that public company. They will provide all sorts of details regarding the financial health of the company, things the company is proud of and threats the company recognises

[past wind]

There’s not much mentioned because they’ve announced it with a meme

[tame geode]

That makes it even worse. Being crooked like a genies wish or monkeys paw makes it look waaay worse.

[wintry cape]

"Ark 2 combat will be a port of Mario64"

[tame geode]

"Oh... well... actually... The product was originally a toaster, but now it's a bread crisper. So, it's different."

[blissful perch]

Idk, I think it’s worse to say a toaster will be 1$ and now it’s 20$

At least this time it’s a toaster being upgraded to an air frier

[past wind]

The thing is: the only information we had was we would get an free UE5 upgrade for Ark. It wasn’t clear what else would come.

[radiant tiger]

I can't find any documents between WC and SG, we need some war thunder players

[wintry cape]

Ark 1.5 is a ground up recreation of Ark 1 using the UE5 engine. Most assets and mechanics can't simply be copy pasted into the new engine so the developers will have to start from scratch (almost). Ark 1.5 gives the developers an opportunity to fix bugs that were fundamentally impossible to address in UE4. They definitely won't fix all bugs and it's unlikely the game will be perfect but at least the developers stand a fighting chance.

[tame geode]

Sure, but if a company told me they were upgrading my toaster to a an air fryer for free, and then said well, we added a few features (not to discredit how much work will be done to ASA) so we need to charge ya for it. I'd probably say, ugh... No thanks... I just wanted a toaster. Problem is, a certain part of the crew is being strong armed into using air fryers, and charging em for it.

[past wind]

I don’t buy they are charging for it because the scope changed.

[desert swallow]

The worst will be when we do spend 50 bucks on the bundle and come to find out that the bundle only includes access to the beta of ark 2 and not the full game itself.

[past wind]

They are probably charging for it because people are tired to fund Ark 2 for another year.

Jeremy said most part of the work was already done. So why not just release the upgrade and maybe later the remaster?!

[blissful perch]

I’m saying there was no mention of an air frier. WC promised a free toaster, then said “actually we’re gonna offer you an air frier but it costs ya”

[past wind]

Free upgrade + paid remaster.

Doesn’t make sense to say they changed the scope in two months just because

[blissful perch]

Right, but that’s not what was initially communicated

[past wind]

There are other reasons they can’t say out loud. Like money.

[wintry cape]

don't listen to social media

[blissful perch]

Listen to what then? My mind reading? WC communicates using social media and other forums

[past wind]

And I’m just conjecturing. Because I think their approach now is better than before. Keep things until they can say more.

[past wind]

Well, anyone waiting for the toaster just want the toaster. Saying it’s now called Air Fryer won’t change the sentiment.

[blissful perch]

Not wrong

[tame geode]

I hear ya. I just don't think with the vocabulary they've posted they can legally claim that their intention was to produce a different product.

Not that social media posts are legally binding or anything. You can't just tell someone you're selling them one thing, and giving them another, at least to your investors. Thats what makes snail so scummy at the moment, because thats exactly what theyre trying to do.

[wintry cape]

google "snail-inc-fourth-quarter-and-full-year-2022-earnings-call"

[blissful perch]

They could have explained it better if that was their intention

[tame geode]

There's also a level of common courtesy that goes into it that WC have demonstrated to us. They've not tried to weasel worm their way like that.

[blissful perch]

My guess is they just made a hard pivot and changed one product to another while we were in the dark

[wintry cape]

fill out the form with whatever details you see fit, you will get access to a corporate group call discussing a bunch of stuff

if you want to hear what snailgames thinks of their gamers, straight from the snail's mouth

[tame geode]

I agree. The lack of follow up kinda reads as fear, even if there's NDA bs, they can still respond in a way the community is familar with.

[wintry cape]

oh god i'm listening but i have no way to rip it

[radiant tiger]

How do you listen to it?

[wintry cape]

with great difficulty

[radiant tiger]

Oh haha, I want to be in on the loop 🥺

[tame geode]

HOD's vid kinda sums most of that up.

[wintry cape]

do the google search, find the page asking for basic registration details, give some name and some disposable email address, it will take you to a "webcast" page where you can listen to the call in full

there is some chinese man talking about how impressive it is that the ark community is so dedicated to the game, something something about nintendo switch

"introduce new features to keep the game fresh and noise noise

i can't listen properly right now

"monetised content"

"initiatives for 2023"

god the audio quality is awful

"this new ark game will be powered by UE5" "new addition to ark franchise" "we are excited to reveal a new ark expansion pack coming this year"

[bright wigeon]

Ahaha

[wintry cape]

"new biomes, new mechanics"

[bright wigeon]

I think it’s funny everyone’s being butthurt over ark2 release

we all knew they was gunna do this

we all knew.

😆

[wintry cape]

this call is worth getting a proper transcription of....

[blissful perch]

Pretty much all the chatter and outrage is about ASA

[wintry cape]

plz.. someone else

"I would like to share the latest progress of Ark 2"

i'll stop spamming my bad paraphrased transcript, i've made my point

"ark sales decreased by 33 million in 2022"

getting spicy

[tender cypress]

Im back my loyal subjects

[wintry cape]

git gud

we finance experts now

[tender cypress]

I did, I’m your king now

[tender cypress]

For me 🙂

You missed me, I know you did @wintry cape

[wintry cape]

take my money!

[tender cypress]

Only cuz you asked

[past wind]

Makes sense. Also makes sense to shut down the ark 1 servers. Also I understand why they will charge for the UE5 upgrade, it’s just a natural outcome with Ark 2 new postponement.

[loud dome]

Imma pay either way.

[past wind]

I want to hear more about it first.

[tender cypress]

What if it’s not worth it

[loud dome]

Cause I love Ark?

[tender cypress]

But what if it’s not a good ark

[loud dome]

I’m concerned about the new direction, that I won’t lie about. But I’m confident it’ll be good.

[tender cypress]

-great idea

[past wind]

For the people still enjoying Ark 1, it’s a no brainer. But people like me, that already stopped enjoying Ark 1, it’s necessary to have new stuff. I mean really new stuff, not just better graphics.

[loud dome]

It sounds like Fortnite mixed with Dark Souls with Ark’s flavor.

[tender cypress]

I’m a beginner and I already sorta stopped enjoying it

When does beta release?

[past wind]

They didn’t say anything about a beta. I guess august is just the final version release, no early-access.

[tender cypress]

???

Ark 2

[past wind]

2024

[tender cypress]

Is there going to be a beta for that?

[past wind]

People that buy the bundle will get it for a month, before the actual release on the end of the year

[tender cypress]

Would getting beta be worth it?

Was it for ark 1?

[past wind]

Im more interested in buying the bundle because of the early-access

I want to play ark 2 ASAP

[tender cypress]

Pve, pvp, sp?

[loud dome]

I wanna know more about the “souls like” concept and the serious tone.

[past wind]

All of them I guess

[loud dome]

Like I feel Ark is serious as it is

[tender cypress]

I genuinely don’t know what to do in ark rn…

[past wind]

I doubt we will get relevant info about Ark 2 this year

[tender cypress]

It takes forever for me to raise Dinos so I can’t do boss fights and stuff

Charlie, how long did it take you to get ur first boss Rex on official pve?

[past wind]

This is what everybody does in ark. 90% of the time is breeding and farming

[tender cypress]

???

[loud dome]

Especially once you get a base going.

[past wind]

Man, my first boss was in 2015

When there weren’t the boss arenas

[tender cypress]

I don’t understand how someone can turn a lvl 150 rex into a lvl 450 rex on official pve

[past wind]

We could kill the broodmother just trapping it

[past wind]

Hard to explain that to you in here. But it’s possible. Also, x-Rex can get to 500.

Watch YouTube videos. First you think it’s complicated, but it really isn’t.

[tender cypress]

I’ve never really understood how to mutate Rexes to get them boss Rexes

[past wind]

But this system will hopefully be revamped on Ark 2

[past wind]

It’s easy. But you will need to read or watch a video about it

[tender cypress]

Takes forever to breed and raise a single Rex on official pve

[past wind]

Basically you need to have 100s of females and get as much fertilized eggs you can.

[past wind]

Yes

[tender cypress]

I was tempted to move to sp just because of it

[past wind]

Actually there other creatures that you can raise faster and do a better job on the bosses. Depending on the bosses.

Shadowmanes, deinos, megatheriums etc

Rexes are just the ones that can beat all the bosses. But they aren’t the most effective.

I want all the above to be different on Ark 2

[tender cypress]

Same

I can’t unlock all the tek grams because I don’t have the Dino’s to do the bosses

[weary kestrel]

Tame a bunch of high level rexes.

Breed them and combine the best stats. Such as if dad has better health and mom has better melee, you breed them until they pop a baby with both the good health and melee. You may have to do a lot of this and it'll take a stupid amount of time on official rates.

Once you get a rex with all of the desired stats, breed it until you have a bunch of females and one male with those same stats. They should all be the same level. Do not keep any mutated babies at this point.

You should be using an incubator. This way you can tell how many points is in each stat. If you breed two of your best stat rexes together (who MUST have the same stats!) the baby will always come out with those stats unless it mutates. Take note of those numbers.

Now you breed. All those females to that one male. Again, they should ALL have identical stats and they should ALL have the same level.

Once you get a mutated baby, you will know right away because the incubator will tell you so. And since you keep track of the original stats, you can see which stat is higher from the mutation. A mutation will add two points to a stat, thus two levels.

Once you get the desired mutation, if it is a male, it replaces your previous, un-mutated male. Keep your previous male, because - and this works at any point down the mutation line - if a female pops with the mutation you need, you breed it back to the original male until it throws a male baby with her mutated stat.

And then... you keep going on like that. If OG breeding group is level 250, then the first mutated baby will be 252. You breed the 252 to the 250 females. When another mutation happens, the baby will be level 254. And so on and so forth.

Now, at a certain point, you will hit 20 mutations on the paternal side. You can keep mutating after this point, but your chance of a mutation is cut in half. But since all of your females are clean, with no mutations, there will always be a chance of a mutation on the maternal side.

This works because even though if you breed a male that says 20 mutations on the paternal side and 1 mutation on the maternal side, once that male produces offspring, that 1 on the maternal side will be pushed to the paternal side on the mutation count of the babies - so then, the baby will say it has 21 mutations on the father's side, and 0 on the mother's.

To further clarify on keeping the original male with zero mutations,

If you get a female baby with your desired mutation, it's illogical to use her as your breeder because of the cooldown. If you just breed her back to your current mutated male, though, the mutation count will double because both parents will have mutation counts and so both will be passed down to the offspring. So you must keep your original male so that you do not double the mutation counter.

Theoretically you could keep stacking mutations like this forever.

[tropic crag]

Wow, that is one of the best, most detailed break downs of breeding I've ever read, I think. Good shit, mate 👍

[weary kestrel]

Thank you! It took me a while to get the hang of it and eventually I just had to do it myself to fully understand. Every guide I read left me still confused. So when I talk about it I make sure to be very clear, and explain parts that confused me when I was learning.

[tropic crag]

Fair enough, I got the gist from that one Syntac video, but there were parts that he left out or didn't touch on that were brought up here (mainly how to flip the muts from one side to the other.)

[tender cypress]

Thank you so so so much!!!

[weary kestrel]

You're very welcome! If you have any questions feel free to ask (:

[untold ingot]

You are just missing the neg mutating part

[tender cypress]

?

[tender cypress]

Will do!

[untold ingot]

If you breed a mutated male with a mutated female (that have the same mutation) their counter artificially raises, while the stats stay the same. If you do that, get two babies with the higher counter and repeat the process like 30 times you can overload the counter so it reads a negative number. Since the check for mutation chance only checks thst the counter is greater than 20 having a negative counter means the chances of a mutation are the same as if it had no mutations.

[tropic forge]

youre missing the lvl1 cheat way to get mutations 🤣

[tender cypress]

… you lost me after the first sentence…

[untold ingot]

It's not practically useful to do unless you are trying to cap a dino

[untold ingot]

Lol, thst comes after you get the neg line and doesn't affect the mutation chance. It only helps you maximize the stat to level cap

[weary kestrel]

I thought I'd pretty much covered "Do not breed two mutated dinos together" :p

[tender cypress]

I just wanna know how to make boss Rexes to practice on the server I’m on now and when I get ASA and ark 2

[untold ingot]

Don't, unless you are trying to neg mutate

[tender cypress]

You did

[tender cypress]

You’re hurting my tiny brain

There is only so much I can learn about ark before I go clinically insane

[weary kestrel]

I tried watching that video but I have a very hard time learning through video format because I zone out. Which makes looking things up about Ark frustrating, because even things that could be answered in a sentence are just ALL videos...

[tropic forge]

to be honest having a bunch of lvl1 fem you will get muts like 70% per egg and dosent matter how many mutations the male as

[untold ingot]

With 100 female fresh tamed rexes and a neg counter male, you can literally cap a line in like a third of the time as doing a clean stack

[untold ingot]

Level 1 does not increase the chance of a mutation

[tropic forge]

ho it does

[tender cypress]

Know what sounds good to me? Coming back here in a few months after j get the hang of normal mutation stacking then learning neg mutations…

[untold ingot]

It's not worth doing unless you are in pvp or you want to cap a line

[weary kestrel]

I get it. Sounds a little exploit-y

[tender cypress]

Ty again! @weary kestrel good night!

[weary kestrel]

Np! Good night

[untold ingot]

It's no different than going past 20 normally. It's just more efficient at it

[blissful perch]

If you’re on official just ask around for a boss run and skip the single worst time wasting mechanic I’ve ever seen in gaming

[south lance]

[marble zenith]

if your new just go with the basics neg mutes are where the OG players are at listen to @weary kestrel explanation and see how far you go then look into neg mutes

[marble zenith]

pretty sure if the male is above 20 then even with fresh lvl1 females the chance is halved

[old turret]

Is it time yet? Nvm they delayed to 24

[blissful perch]

Or just don’t care about breeding because it should be removed going forward. In ark 1 you can just take form other breeders and in ark 2 I’ll riot if I see the horrendous system repeated

[tropic forge]

you know theres a way to bypass breeding process and just get stray to boss fights right? its call reapers

[blissful perch]

Reapers can do alpha master controller?

[rocky lotus]

will the map also get updated?

[untold ingot]

Yeah

[blissful perch]

I’m mildly surprised given I don’t hear them being used as armies for that

[storm yew]

cant really say im surprised whatsoever with how ark 2 has been coming along

anyone else remember when we all thought we'd get ingame footage at the microsoft panel? good times...

[mighty token]

ark 2 is gonna release when chess 2 comes out

[tropic forge]

yeh

[untold ingot]

They aren't comparatively great. But if you have people riding them and seperate dps tames they work amazing

[tropic forge]

i was the one on my group that come up whit a ways of passing alpha mc, use rexs reapers even gizmo myself but theres was a problem from time to time doing mc, when done sometimes some dinos would stay behind, lost about 9 reapers 3 rexs 2 gizmos in total runs i have done if not mistake

[high hawk]

PC 2

[tropic forge]

what? they are even better when ppl dont ride reapers on mc, at least the AI is more smarter than panic ppl and does the tail swing, you just gotta be always giving commands, know if youre only taking one is still very duable as long you have a team to back you even, hell you can even dodge the mc lazer by jumping if youre riding one

[untold ingot]

Huh, I'll have to try it again. My unridden reapers got smoked last time

[tropic forge]

lol i remember was able to jump to those bridges on the final ring

[tropic forge]

were on agressive?

i use them on agressive give commands time to time even more when gigas spawn and i was on foot

in official

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I have done boss fights before, a lot

I only successfully soloed the alpha gen1 with stegos and theris with one reaper though

[tropic forge]

solo i never try since i was on a group doing free runs but i always said if i had to do solo i would bring a gizmo for the final run and the rest reapers max out lvl

and gets even better since you have the mutagen from gen2, i used one on a R-reaper and it was a beast

[untold ingot]

Maybe if I get a desire to try it again I'll do that

[tropic forge]

used gizmo for the mc beam, when you ride it and you get zap it dosent dismount you

[rancid harness]

What's a gizmo lol

[tropic forge]

ferox

[blissful perch]

So…to my original point. Did you do master controller with only reapers? No other bred tames? The point I’m making was that you need someone to do breeding of some sort to complete everything. But I’m not confident in what 20 mounted players can do

[tropic forge]

i did whit my group only reapers and was i who supplied them so they dint had bonus ride, wait i think one or two use theirs cause im recalling one was crying of loosing a color reaper

[blissful perch]

So that’s 20 reapers? And how many riders?

[tropic forge]

since we trying my way "idea at the time" 20 reapers and about 5 to 6 ppl in total

[blissful perch]

I see, alright

[tropic forge]

and if wc havent fix or its suppose to be like that you can use reapers to jump above those "bridges" on the final stage

[blissful perch]

Does that work for any boss? I suspect it’ll struggle against some of the tanky island bosses and obviously king titan, but I hear you don’t need much breeding for those (for other reasons)

[tropic forge]

reapers have a natural armor as long dosent have light, if not mistake i use them on rag, mc, all asc bosses those i can confirm, think i use them once maybe twice on valguero but not sure and i think i use on the island too maybe once or twice since i had groups of dinos for those fights than again i cant confirm those

i think i can say now it was a long time 🤣 since i stop playing before transfers open on gen2???

[blissful perch]

I’m less worried about their hp and more their damage

Since I know for some bosses like island alpha brood afaik you need bred tames to eat through the really high hp pool

[tropic forge]

35 to 50k hp rest on melee they work fine

[tropic forge]

yeh brood i recall using megatheriums but i think at some point i did whit reapers, now if was all reapers or not not sure cause brood her healt aint the issue its the poison at least for me

[blissful perch]

Oh the reapers would torpor out lol?

[tropic forge]

i dint get that, what you mean?

[blissful perch]

Well brood “poison” is just torpor and stam drop isn’t it?

[tropic forge]

hell no lol, it drop your health like crazy not even sure if does torpor, i rhink its manticore that does the high torpor

[blissful perch]

Tbh I never paid attention, I just spammed LMB until it died. Not sure if it or the spiders did poison/torpor/etc. all I know is when I finished everyone had torpor

Maybe in ark 2 I’ll actually know what boss attacks do

[tropic forge]

i think youre confusing whit manticore, that one that can drop even rexs in the middle of the fight

[blissful perch]

I’ve never been knocked out by brood but I’ve 100% had a lot of torpor on my rex group after the fight

[tropic forge]

i remember back when i was playing on ps4 the same group of rexs i solo alpha megapethicus 4 times whitout healing lost to alpha broodmother i was piss as hell, aside time spend to lvl up those rexs they use max out saddles

but i dont remember torpor from brood maybe im wrong but torpor only comes to mind is manticore

[blissful perch]

I think the torpor isn’t enough to be a consideration for brood since I’ve never had anyone knocked because of it…except an unmounted player who decided to try to flex (spoiler: he died instantly)

[tropic forge]

lol you just remind me a guy doing alpha rockwell 🤣 once we were inside he to try to switch armor by taking each piece of hazard suit to put flak i think but he got tentacle and the body was naked on the floor 🤣 good think for him it was a free alpha rockwell run otherwise that would be like 3k element lost as payment, i think that was the price ppl were charge then

[tropic crag]

Can confirm reapers are very viable for bosses, especially the R ones. I've run them exclusively on every map, the only one it gets kind of close on is Ab Rockwell, and that's only in singleplayer (they are viable on both single and unofficials, but single Ab gets hairy as you have to use the terminal and that limits you to either a tek suit or rad suit, and seeing as how you can't use shottys on reapers to shoot the balls AND you have to turn your shoulder pet on and off at certain times to kill enemy reapers, it gets a little too close for comfort near the end)

[tropic forge]

wc turn orbs on again on rockwell ab?

[winged dome]

Why are R Reapers different/better than regular? I figured they were just reskins

[split dove]

every variant has some stat changes, like aberrant variants have less hp and more dmg, same goes for X and R variants i think

[winged dome]

How does that make them viable for bosses, especially the R versions? 🤔

[split dove]

more dmg output compared to normal version

[winged dome]

The difference between Ab and Normal is like ... 1-2%

So unless R Reapers get a big buff somewhere, they'd be about the same

[tropic forge]

In addition to having totally new color patterns and regions from their normal counterparts, they also have a 5% damage increase and 3% less health when tamed.

trust me it makes a difference when you lvl them up and whit mutagen you get even extra kick on them

either way reapers have natural armor that i personally find it better than max out saddles

i remember my last reaper "big momma" had around 60k hp and 1030 melee

i guess if that was on pvp it would had more melee since that was the talk of difference between pve and pvp

[mighty lion]

People are posting ark 2 is pve only, did I miss something in the crunch?

[split dove]

no, people being dumb yet again

[mighty lion]

Cool, that makes sense. Thank you

[tropic forge]

aint ppl being dumb its just some trolls make rumours and ppl follow then even more if is trolls whit youtube channels

[tropic forge]

next time you see ppl saying its only pve or pvp tell them to check steam page its all there

ufff that general tab its way too toxic, i start to laugh at the shit ppl saying than after 3min i change from laughing to thinking "this is madness", some ppl actually making campaign not only against ark 2 but even ark 1 to ppl just quit 🤣

[tropic crag]

All variant dinos have minor (but meaningful, especially at higher levels) stat changes, as Fox said. Variants are almost always better than the standard ones, basically

[mighty lion]

"In addition to having totally new color patterns and regions from their normal counterparts, they also have a 5% damage increase and 3% less health when tamed"

[tropic forge]

did you copy/paste my reply??? 🤣

[mighty lion]

Personally I prefer higher hp reapers, but high melee are kitting machines

[mighty lion]

Oh I copied the wiki, sorry I didn't see your reply. You beat me to it

Lol

[tropic forge]

yeh i got it from wiki but i was like "i already reply him that"

[desert swallow]

"trust me it makes a difference when you lvl them up and whit mutagen you get even extra kick on them"

[tropic crag]

I always forget to mutagen my reapers, tbh 😅

[blissful perch]

Sleeper problem with ark 1 is that player levels scale in value based on wild creature stats

[desert swallow]

The dinos are your weapon.

[blissful perch]

Sorry, player INPUT levels on tames scale based on wild creature base stats

[tropic crag]

That's why the wild tame stats matter the the most, yes

[desert swallow]

That and the roll after tame

you can hit the jackpot on a bad creature, statistically rare, but can happen.

a bad roll can ruin a great wild tame as well

[blissful perch]

Yep. If ark 2 still uses the basic ark 1 stat system (hopefully not), I REALLY hope they make base stats a flat value separate from any wild level ups

[potent hull]

can i sand you a video on what asa my look like

[mint swan]

F

[fierce violet]

Are they really shutting down ark for ark evolved scented

[mighty lion]

Yes for the candles

[potent hull]

look at this video this is what asa may look like

[royal patio]

hi

[potent hull]

ji

hi

[deep hearth]

hi

[potent hull]

hi am above you lol

[untold ingot]

Some variation is good, but it should be no more than like 10 or 20%

Not 400%

[mighty token]

Lol

[past wind]

As long the whole meta is overhauled, it will be way better. Having souls-like combat opens a lot of possibilities to accomplish the missions, kill bosses etc.

[potent hull]

can i sand you a video is a video on what asa my look like

[past wind]

Sure, but I won’t be able to watch it right now. Can you tell me what it is here?

[potent hull]

sent ty

is only what asa my look like

[blissful perch]

The variation in wild tame stats is fine…what I want fixed is how that results in higher stat tames getting more stats per player inputted level up

[untold ingot]

Yeah, player added stat levels need to be just gone

[potent hull]

can i san you a video

[blissful perch]

Is it official content?

[potent hull]

is a video on what asa my look like

[blissful perch]

Alright, hit me

[potent hull]

it is mad by one guy it look good

[potent hull]

jut let me no what you think of it

i think it look good if asa did look like that

[blissful perch]

The motion blur makes me so sad lol, but the content is interesting

I think this UE5 update to ark 1 needs to include major QoL and content changes however to make people want to pay for ark 1 again. Ark 2 is clearly a new product…so it doesn’t have that issue. But it’s so new I think there’s valid concern it’ll lose elements people found attractive in ark 1. For example if ark 2 has the really obtuse souls “attribute” system that would be a major turnoff for me

[potent hull]

back at least the video give us sum idea in how asa will look and my feel still we need reil game play of asa

[paper sigil]

wheres the video at?

[potent hull]

i can give you the video it show what asa my look like

[tropic crag]

I'm ok, but thanks for offering!

[potent hull]

is the same video i gave to shifter

[tropic crag]

Yeah, it's alright, I don't really need to see it

I'm 100% going to buy whatever WC put out anyways, so

[zinc saddle]

so i might need some help with this

do you have to pay money for new ark?

ark 2

or will we able to upgrade to the ark 2 for free for others who do have this game?

[winged dome]

Yes, you need to pay for things - why is this such a hard concept for people? 😂

[zinc saddle]

someone tell me that in a call i left saying they will upgrade it

but guess they were not right in the call

i did not no if old one we can still play on it

and invite others on steam to play with us on old one

i do want to try it but i remember i got it for free on old one

so will have 2 arks

old one and ark 2

[winged dome]

What we know right now:
Old Ark Official servers will be shutting down in late August (or when Ark Ascended releases) - you should still be able to host/play unofficial servers/singleplayer as normal. This version of Ark will not receive any updates except to fix crashes

Ark Ascended will be a paid release in late August, with 2 DLC packs for additional cost with the maps having a timed release (Scorched, Aberration, Extinction in the first pack, Gen1 and 2 in the second) as well as a brand new expansion coming in late '23

Ark 2 will be available as part of the bundle with Ark Asc from Asc's release until one year after - then Ark 2 will be a separate purchase. If you get Ark Asc in the bundle, you get Ark 2 as well

[zinc saddle]

also someone tell me that if you do play unofficial servers you will have to pay for them for others to join you can someone explain to me on that because i do not understand i might need help on clearing that up i was not sure

[odd holly]

unofficial is free to play on

its only the person that runs it that have to pay for it to keep it running

[zinc saddle]

so that means i can just host server then on unofficial server

and i wanted to check because people tell me wrong information

they tell me that you wood have to pay to host unofficial server

after ark 2 comes out

[odd holly]

official servers = wildcards run it
unoffical servers = random owner people that pay to keep the servers running for other people to join on.

if you are planning to host a unofficial server of your own, yes you have to pay to keep it running

[zinc saddle]

ok then will have to switch to ark 2 then so we can still play then

ill let them no

so its free to host on ark 2 then

[odd holly]

idk

I dont think its known yet at this point for ark 2

seeing as ark 2 got delayed to 2024

[zinc saddle]

o

but in singleplayer as normal

can you still invite players to it if there friends with you on steam?

on old ark?

wait if you do unoffical server offline on your computer

and invite someone on your friends list on steam can you let them in game ?

will it work?

what i mean is allow them in by via invite on steam on your friends list?

what i mean is you do not have to host server to be on list on old ark

you can just invite them on unoffical server that offline but still invite them to your world

will that work?

like on your friends list on steam?

i was not sure so i wanted to ask about all of this i was not sure

also how about the mods on old ark will they move over to new ark?

[tropic forge]

let me tell how gaming online works, official server=own by the game company can be free or you pay a sub like WOW than you have unofficial server= server host by a player thats paying for that server and HES the one that makes the rules and can decide if other players can play on his server for free or not

[zinc saddle]

so what your saying is that is its free to host ark 2 but on old one i was not sure

[tropic forge]

its never free to host any game unless you own a "server pc" otherwise you have to rent a server to host a online game dosent matter if is ark 1 or 2 or other game

[zinc saddle]

i have pc

[tropic forge]

yes you can make your pc as a server to host online unofficial servers but it will consume a lot of resources to host a game and play it on same pc

[zinc saddle]

ok i was unsure i got mix up

so unofficial server on pc hosting is free then is that right?

i got mix up what others were talking about

i was unsure of the information i was getting to understand this stuff

[tropic forge]

a server itself is a pc, can be a normal pc, a gaming pc but when companies that rent server services its a different hardware configuration, i recommend you google it to understand better how servers work so you have a clear idea

[zinc saddle]

ok so i can still host server then on pc

ok thanks for letting me no

[shell scaffold]

so mods come first for PC in August and then console later in the year? I saw that the overwolf CEO said this yesterday

[winged dome]

I don't think we have any confirmed details yet on the timeline for mods, except WC working with modders to get popular mods available on release

[vapid panther]

Whats the timeline for the non canon maps? Seems like all will be available day one but they didnt list the maps.

[winged dome]

Scorched will be available upon initial release (but still need to buy the DLC pack) Q3 '23
Aberation Q4 '23
Extinction Q1 '24
Gen1 Q1 '24 (Pack 2)
Gen2 Q2 '24 (Pack 2)

Oh sorry, misread - I don't think we have a timeline for non-canon maps yet

If I had to harbor a guess, I'd assume a month or so after their compliment/mechanics sharing DLCs are released
Center / Rag Q4 '23
Valguero / CI Q1 '24
Lost Island / Fjordur Q2 '24

But these are just speculation

[blissful perch]

They said those come out with the main game in the crunch

[winged dome]

'The base game will include The Island, SOTF, and all the “Non-Canon” DLC maps (which will be added to ASA over time). '

So they're confirmed but are releasing after a delay

[blissful perch]

Ah I see. I assumed the bundling meant instant. Good catch

[winged dome]

Yeah, I had to read the announcements a couple times myself to make sure I understood everything

[shell scaffold]

yeah they didn't say anything about the timeline of the mods, but the overwolf CEO tweeted that they would first be bringing mods to PC, then console later in the year

Overwolf is the company they are doing the mods through

[winged dome]

Makes sense, OW needs to build framework to support mods on console and PC would be a safe and relatively established place to test that framework first

I'm very interested in how the criteria for 'quality and value' for paid mods will be established ...

[astral token]

I’d also be fine if CI didn’t make it

Perhaps one of the friends we lost along the way

[winged dome]

Not my favorite map either

[astral token]

Maybe a $10 off for users who won’t download CI, rewarding the sane members of the community 🤣

[tropic forge]

so ppl are considering the last cc to be all true before this next cc?

[winged dome]

Some people still have their doubts, but I believe it's true. There's some things in the Crunch I don't like, but a fair bit I do

[tropic forge]

humm

bit wierd making such announce and dont have a steam page for ASA when they have a page for ark 2 but still possible

[winged dome]

Yeah, still odd to not have any dev tweets about it

[tropic forge]

plus this all would making dollie looking stupid, i for sure would refuse to post anything else unless was concrete cause yeh "next time you see something from ark 2 will be gameplay"

[versed pike]

i hope there will be new tek engrams or tek engrams will be different like the tek suit but that better or new tek engrams because how long have we been playing with the same engrams

[tropic forge]

you better hope the game actually works instead of more engrams if ASA is real

[versed pike]

True

[tropic forge]

one thing for sure if ASA is real and almost if not all is true from last cc will make a huge 180º on their word and wont go well for them in terms of player base

[versed pike]

@tropic forge what stuff went out of the game because I heard through the grapevine that quite a lot is going away like net gun and stuff

[tropic forge]

none of that is mention on last cc, better read it for yourself

[versed pike]

Where

[tropic forge]

#announcements

[winged dome]

The scope of the project changed. If it was just an engine upgrade then yeah, I'd be pretty pissed about the price. But it's an engine upgrade, new features and QoL updates, full cross platform support PLUS cross platform modding. That's a LOT of new features that take dev time and resources

[split dove]

the engrams will only be unavailable until the dlc itself is out again after being converted to UE5

[blissful perch]

I'm curious if "new features" includes new engrams and the like...in the last long period of updates we've only seen new engrams (beyond saddles) with new maps

[winged dome]

Besides, seeing all the Official players' salt when they saw Officials servers are shutting down was priceless 😂

[rancid harness]

The fact that we can quote this hurts me. That tweet was the single greatest disappointment for me.

[tropic forge]

no i wasent refer to that when i mention a huge 180º, i was more mention on their progress on ark 2 and if is true about everything that would mean they are pulling out resources from ark 2 to make ASA ence the delay plus its also confirm what i said when they mention about ark 1 EU5 by copy/paste stuff from ark 1 to ark2 to speed the process

[blissful perch]

the music is a wonder of the modern world

[mint swan]

Yea the salt was delicious

[rancid harness]

They're releasing a new story dlc with 4 new creatures after the current dlc is made available, and I assume there will be new engrams with it.

[blissful perch]

went really well on the popcorn I stole from fox

[winged dome]

Oh yeah, lack of Ark2 news was painful

[blissful perch]

sure, but we don't know how long that'll be after ASA's release. There's always the possibility we see something content wise before that point

[rancid harness]

You were wondering about new engrams. That's the only thing we have confirmed.

[blissful perch]

i wasn't clear, but i was responding to this

[tropic forge]

that was about to happen soo or later cause the moment they announce ark 2 officials die for me cause of the time bomb, dont know why other would thing it would last until they quit ark 1 🤣

[winged dome]

I figured they'd slowly phase out lesser populated Officials once Ark2 was released, then maybe a final date a year or so later for end of service. But nope, just slash them all at once 😂

[blissful perch]

YEET

[tropic forge]

if is true to all i might actually buy ASA and get myself burn just because of 2 things, 1 EU5 aberration dlc and 2 for ark 2 being in the bundle plus the beta

[blissful perch]

i wonder how much grass touching will happen on server shutdown day

[versed pike]

Haha

[winged dome]

Prob none, Alphas are already planning to server cap Asc servers at launch

[rancid harness]

A lot

[versed pike]

Thats 100 procent true

[tropic forge]

good thing im not a pvp fan anymore 🤣 lost that appetite on cod mw3

[versed pike]

smalls end official has new opportunities again

New start

[winged dome]

Official servers bring no value to me personally, so I couldn't care less what happened to them

[rancid harness]

Get your tribes together people, the rush will be real

[versed pike]

Ye

[tropic forge]

i like officials but yeh it as its issues

[blissful perch]

Hoping shutdown happens a week or two before ASA is up lol

[versed pike]

I play smalls with 4 tribe s

[versed pike]

Nah thats not good

[blissful perch]

WC is gonna mark it as “touch grass” in their road map timeline

[versed pike]

Haha

I dont want touch gras tfu

[tropic forge]

wonder if wc will reused same servers or they gonna get new better/worst ones

[blissful perch]

“We care about our players and want to give them the chance to touch real grass before returning to ark and turning grass off in their foliage settings”

[winged dome]

Actual PvP players: How do I turn off all this ground clutter?

[blissful perch]

I also can’t wait for all the specs complaining when UE5 ark games drop

“What do you mean my half eaten potato can’t run the game on 200 fps”

[tropic forge]

so wait, why wc took off INI. if their planing for ASA in such short notice? to piss off pvp players?

[blissful perch]

It’s called a “pivot”

Where one course of action was being followed, and now a new one is

[versed pike]

Ye

[tropic forge]

other words "lets piss them off so they get heat up before we make announcement of something that will even piss them even more so they dont get in state of shock" 🤣

[blissful perch]

Based if true

[versed pike]

I was banned for ini the day before yesterday

Its sad

[versed pike]

Look dm

[untold ingot]

People being banned for ini is actually such a huge step in the right direction

[versed pike]

True but its stupid

because there are still so many aim botters they do nothing about it and then they suddenly remove ini after a few years because it is credited for pvp even though people are still walking around with aimbot

[untold ingot]

Little steps

Can't solve all cheating at once, but some is good

[blissful perch]

It’s also probably easier to check for ini

[untold ingot]

I am expecting and hoping the new anticheat deals with aimbot better

[untold ingot]

Significantly easier

[tropic forge]

wc says its hard for them to control 3dr partie programs and aimbots its on that class

[past wind]

I hope this means they will really test some of the stuff meant for Ark 2 on ASA. Like larger maps, the new creature manager and improved AI behavior.

[versed pike]

I know but still

[past wind]

Apparently they will develop both from now on, so I hope the announced dlc won’t be the last one.

[winged dome]

I hope so too, but we'll see

[tropic forge]

gotta wait for tomorrow to see whats gonna happen

[past wind]

My bet: nothing will be said tomorrow. Quote me on that later.

[tropic forge]

what? another "there will be no eve this weekend, end of cc" 🤣

[past wind]

Yes. Why?! Because I believe they’ve already said everything they could last week. And I don’t believe anything has changed in a week.

[winged dome]

Stock price sure has 😂

[past wind]

Time to buy, investors. It’s cheeeeap!

[tropic forge]

yeh i read on general snail stock price when really down but i dont understand none of that shit

guess if microsoft wanted to buy wc it would be a nice time for it thats all i got from it

[past wind]

All snail games investors are Ark players. They are pulling the prices down just to prove a point.

[tropic forge]

boycott ark is real???

[untold ingot]

Yeah kind of

Snail stock tanked lol

[past wind]

Of course I’m kidding, but it would be fun. 🤣

What made the stocks tank was probably their profits going down. Apparently Ark sales tanked. And Ark is basically their most profitable product.

[tropic forge]

well ark 1 steam page was bombard whit negative reviews so... 🤣

[untold ingot]

Ark is like their only profitable product

[tropic forge]

well everything else as being abandoned so yeh makes since, if only someone bought dark and light 😢

[past wind]

D&L is a bad game, man. Ark is light years better.

BUT there are two other products that may save snail games

D&L mobile and Ark mobile

Mobile games are totally based on microtransactions

[tropic forge]

dude D&L is more fantasy compare to ark but the way of taming and other stuff i find it more appealing to me

[past wind]

It could be a huge cashflow if they are successful

[past wind]

The general idea is amazing. I remember when the first news came. But the implementation was so bad. As an example of that: the creatures are ugly AF and the building system is shit.

TBF Atlas has way more potential than D&L

IMO atlas is better than sea of thieves.

[winged dome]

That's a ... take

[past wind]

Anyways. End of off-topic on my part 🤣

[tropic forge]

theres some creatures that are cool but the game itself feels like on alpha stage so yeh no way to know how would be if they work on it like wc did whit ark

[past wind]

I have played both from day one. Ark was more polished than D&L. Maybe it can be savaged on the mobile version.

[tropic forge]

yeh i only found out D&L way late, actually i think i found it near the time they abandoned it

[split dove]

snail games made it, kinda speaks for itself 😂

[drowsy hamlet]

Let's be honest cheating sadly happens on every big game

[south lance]

downwards since january

spiked in feb

[drowsy hamlet]

Because we have so many people who are just toooo noob to play legit

[south lance]

back to the trend a week later

i wanna see someone aimbot with prim fab

[drowsy hamlet]

Dammm

[winged dome]

@charred glen you need to chill 😂

[drowsy hamlet]

It clearly says you can't post it

[winged dome]

Absolute madlad

[drowsy hamlet]

@fallow niche might need some help here

[split dove]

ark chatters can't use their brains as obviously stated

[fallow niche]

What

[charred glen]

💀

[drowsy hamlet]

The spamming link or something

[winged dome]

Repeated link posting attempts

[drowsy hamlet]

[wispy creek]

Bro they cant even fix the longneck animation. Theyre lying there asses off

[charred glen]

Horse React 🐴

[drowsy hamlet]

All guns are broken in a way in ark

[wispy creek]

Mods arent even coming on console straight away🤣

[drowsy hamlet]

Not on pc ether gotta make them first

But no rag on the new one tho

[charred glen]

@fallow niche 🐴

[drowsy hamlet]

No Val

No fjordur :(

[versed pike]

I hope ark two doesn't cost as much GB as ark one

[fallow niche]

Please move ASA content to #general or #ark-survival-ascended until the ASA channel suggestion has had feedback. This channel is only for ARK 2.

[drowsy hamlet]

If the remove the file it won't

[versed pike]

Rip

[drowsy hamlet]

Why we don't have a channel for the new ark1

[fallow niche]

.

[charred glen]

no reacts 😭

[drowsy hamlet]

Alright back to hiding in the dark

[wispy creek]

Ark 2 is gonna flop

Atlas 2

[winged dome]

No spamming them, there's a difference 😂

[fallow niche]

Atlas is not wildcard, no relevance to ark 2. Move it to #general please.

[versed pike]

What maps are there in the beginning?

[fallow niche]

Of Ark 2? Just arat prime that we know of.

[versed pike]

Yes ark two

[drowsy hamlet]

Atleast abbbb

[versed pike]

Ab

[fallow niche]

Ab is not on Ark 2.

[drowsy hamlet]

We need the abbbb

[versed pike]

Hahaha

[drowsy hamlet]

Oh right

[astral token]

[versed pike]

Sleepingpod

[versed pike]

Wich maps

[drowsy hamlet]

Bro no map of ark 1 will be in ark2

[blissful perch]

Beneath that floating island area would make for a great cave system…maybe even Ab part 2 👀

[drowsy hamlet]

Unless the lazy and add old map in lmao

[fallow niche]

Just Arat Prime that we know of. All information is in pins.

[versed pike]

I was told the island the center scorht erf ragnarok

[fallow niche]

That is not ARK 2. As I previously said, please move all Ark Survival Ascended content to #general or #ark-survival-ascended.

[versed pike]

Where do I go for ark two info

Then?

[fallow niche]

Ark 2 is in this channel. Ark Survival Ascended is not Ark 2.

They are two separate games.

[versed pike]

Ohw

[fallow niche]

All ASA information is in the crunch.

We do not have an ASA channel (yet?)

[drowsy hamlet]

Well to be honest I think we should call that 2 now and ark2 ark3

[fallow niche]

No.

[drowsy hamlet]

😂

[versed pike]

Haha

[drowsy hamlet]

Alright I ma go hide cya

[split dove]

Ark 3 is Ark survival ascended, seeing as Atlas is kinda Ark 2 😂

[drowsy hamlet]

Atlas not of ark

[versed pike]

Ark dino game

Wheeeee

[mighty lion]

I predict that a majority of the player base will stay with ark ascended and request continued expansion to that game. But I hope ark 2 is good enough to prove me wrong.

[blissful perch]

The official playerbase for sure

[mighty lion]

Yeah

[split dove]

we shall see next year when they drop gameplay and screenshots

[blissful perch]

I think ark 2 is aimed at an expanded audience in many ways, but there’s not 1:1 overlap with the ark 1 base

[split dove]

we kinda need new people aswell tho

[versed pike]

but there is smalls and official right or?

[fallow niche]

We do not know, because neither ASA or ARK2 are out yet.

[blissful perch]

All we know is that there’s official PvP and official PvE for ark 2 when it comes out

[versed pike]

Mm

[tropic forge]

🍿

[winged dome]

🍻

[versed pike]

Only official??😔

[blissful perch]

So far yes…only official

Other Gamemodes will be released over time is my understanding of Dollie’s message

[tropic forge]

no ark 2 as single player confirm

guess by that it should have host mode too like ark 1

[versed pike]

Oof

[split dove]

we could also have server hosting at launch/closely after launch

[winged dome]

Very likely, just not officially confirmed yet

Single player is also a sure bet

[tropic forge]

aint sure bet its confirm, its on steam page

[wispy creek]

Atlas is a ark reskin. So its ark

[fallow niche]

It's not. Move to #general if you want to complain about atlas. Thanks

[tropic forge]

🍿

hey @fallow niche you gotta post the saladmander pic so he knows what ark 2 is

[wispy creek]

Why are you defending a company that lies and just cares about our money?

[fallow niche]

Okay but first I need you tell me where it even says singleplayer because I don't see it and I got happy thinking my kids could play

[tropic forge]

ark 2 steam page on the tag side

[fallow niche]

Move it to #general if you want to complain about the recent crunch. We're not doing it in this channel. Thanks.

[fallow niche]

Do you mean this? It doesn't have a checkmark next to any of those, so it isn't confirmed.

[tropic forge]

yup

[fallow niche]

Yeah its not confirmed lol

[tropic forge]

naa dont think they can put those tags if aint gonna be on the game

[fallow niche]

Saladmander as promised

[fallow niche]

Yeah they can. Those are just to let you know if it is or isn't. It'll have checkmarks if it's in.

[blissful perch]

Steam tags iirc aren’t checked off like they are for console/OS support

[tropic forge]

i just check a game that i mess up in buying it that dosent have single player and the tags dosent have single player

[split dove]

yeah, none from Ark 1 are checked

[blissful perch]

Right…because afaik that’s not how they work lol

[fallow niche]

Oh

Oh well

[blissful perch]

I think ark 2 is saying SP is on the table. Ofc unlike official PvE and PvP Dollie didn’t say it’s confirmed

[fallow niche]

Ark 1 has these, I don't know where on earth I got the checkmark thinking from. Probably looking at another game somewhere. Sorry

[blissful perch]

Probably languages and the OS/console support stuff? Those have checkmarks

[fallow niche]

So we do probably have SP, but I'm not going to say absolutely yes because we don't have info yet

[blissful perch]

Well we also don’t really know what SP entails. It would be nice if it was a robust mode rather than what I’d argue is a sort of…forced mode in ark rn

[fallow niche]

Probably, I get confused sometimes with all the random things we keep track of.

[fallow niche]

Wdym by forced? We don't absolutely have to play SP

[blissful perch]

If you want a halfway acceptable SP experience you need to tweak a ton of settings

[fallow niche]

OH you mean

[blissful perch]

Forced meaning that it’s multiplayer balanced/settings but you’re alone

[fallow niche]

Okay

I'm caught up sorry 😂

[blissful perch]

It would be nice if settings and boss scaling etc were balanced a bit more reasonably for a single person in SP

[fallow niche]

Yes, without creating an insanely OP option like the "use singleplayer settings".

[blissful perch]

Singleplayer settings definitely imo is uh not the suite of changes I’d have used

Rates DO need to be higher for SP/non dedicated, but I’m not as sure that the stats need to be wildly jacked up

[versed pike]

@fallow niche ar you a mod in ark one rn?

[fallow niche]

No, i am a volunteer for the discord. This channel is only for ARK2. Please stop using it for unrelated content.

[versed pike]

Oh okey

[drowsy hamlet]

So does ark2 actually have a name or is it serious named ark2

[fast isle]

What’s wrong with ark 2

I mean it’s not creative but I don’t see a problem

They finna call it Arat or smth 💀

[winged dome]

Ark2: Survival Evolveder

[drowsy hamlet]

Lmao

[drowsy hamlet]

It's like the didn't know what to name it 😂

[winged dome]

To be fair, there's nothing wrong with Ark2. Halo: Combat Evolved -> Halo2

[drowsy hamlet]

Okay fair

[solar vector]

I mean would you rather ark survival unevolved

[stray elm]

Honestly?
Yes

[stray elm]

Okay, but even in that situation it did feel lazy

Halo 5: Guardians is a badass name. (even if the game isn't)
Same goes with Halo: Infinite as the 6th main title

[winged dome]

Whatever they decide to name it isn't going to be the selling point for me

[stray elm]

It doesn't matter of the selling point. It's the name we're going to have to stick with for the next 8+ years, so I'd rather it some 'zing' to it.
As of right now, it's just a meme name.

[winged dome]

How is Ark2 a meme name?
Is any game sequel with just a '2' a meme too?
Doom 2
Half-Life 2
Portal 2
Diablo 2
Left 4 Dead 2
Torchlight 2
Halo 2
Banjo-Tooie (that counts, right?)

It might be unoriginal, but that's ... kinda the point. It's a sequel

[stray elm]

I wouldn't count Banjo-Tooie, but yes. I do think those are unoriginal names.
And your point of 'that's the point since it's a sequel' falls fucking flat on its ass, since a sequel 'can' be unique.

Example, DOOM Eternal having a much better name as a sequel, then DOOM (2016)

[fast isle]

Ark survival devolved

That should be ark one’s name Ngl

There’s no survival in ark 1

[winged dome]

Can't use that because reasons 😂

[fast isle]

Only tek suits and nets

[fast isle]

Why?

[winged dome]

Couple years ago, devs shared Ark 'play as a dino' April Fool's joke was called Ark Survival Devolved

[fast isle]

Good

[stray elm]

I think they're saying this as a 'it should've been named that instead of evolved'

[fast isle]

Ark didn’t do April fools this year because the biggest joke is them

[fast isle]

Yeah Exsctly

Ngl I’m actually confused like

How did ark become so successful

Everyone collectively agrees it’s a trash game but people still play it

[dapper sinew]

bc it’s addicting

[fast isle]

I think it’s because it’s unique play style of playing a survival game with your friends and raiding other people is just

[winged dome]

It has a pretty addicting gameplay loop that checks a lot of boxes for people. Good enough to look past most of the faults

[fast isle]

I’m so glad I didn’t waste too much of my life on that game

Saw a guy flexing 20k hours on ark

Genuinely feel bad for him cause he lost 2 years of his life

[stray elm]

Because even though people say it's shit, it isn't a shit game itself. It's just ran by a shitty parent-company that has the community of salty teens.

[winged dome]

Imagine flexing hours

[tropic forge]

wrong, ark is the success that is today due to simple reason of not having another rival

[fast isle]

Real

Conan exiles company could have done it better

[winged dome]

There's a bunch of rivals, wym?

[fast isle]

Bro ubisoft cousin have done it better

Imagine ark made by sony interactive

Visual masterpiece

[low turret]

pc maybe, console doesnt seem to get play tested though

[tropic forge]

what game you have mmo free building "more or less" you can tame dinos breed them have primitive to futuristic weapons tools and have massive maps?

[fast isle]

Maps are mid, broken and pay to win

[winged dome]

Conan Exiles checks all of those boxes except futuristic weapons

[tropic forge]

you have dinos on conan? and theres breeding there?

[fast isle]

The taming dinos is the only unique factor they have

Literally

You know if rust had dinosaurs it’d be a better ark

They could leave everything else and just randomly add tameable dinosaurs

And it’d literally be better than ark

[winged dome]

Taming and breeding animals and monsters, yeah. It's not as indepth as Ark's, but it's there

[tropic forge]

damn dint know that

[low turret]

not exactly breeding

[fast isle]

Mount and blade bannerlord is better

Get your fair maidens up

[low turret]

snatch babies and hope for a greater version

[tropic forge]

humm, still aint close to ark style then

[winged dome]

Eh, close enough. Guess the server I played on had some ... mods 😂

[tropic forge]

plus i notice ppl when nuts when they had color change on dinos guess that counts too

so in the end ark dosent have a true rival otherwise not sure it ark would last this long dealing the way wc does whit their player base

[winged dome]

The way I see it, if it's a survival crafting game then it's a competitor to Ark. Each has their own niche mechanics or whatever makes the unique, but at the end of the day it's still a survival game

[tropic forge]

theres plenty "survival" games but none so far as to offer what ark does which is way less about survival and more about dinos

[winged dome]

That's just Ark's niche. It's still a survival crafting game at the end of the day

[tropic forge]

theres like 4 i think dino games atm that are survival but you are the dino trying to survive as a baby until fulll grown but thats it

[tropic forge]

but again ark as almost no survival mechanics and everyone is on ark cause of the dinos

[winged dome]

I don't disagree with you there, but point stands that Ark is a survival crafting game. And there are many others like it. Atlas, DayZ, Rust, Conan, probably tons more

[fast isle]

Hey.. hey is that you.. hey you yeah. You. Take it. Take this. It’s called trash. I mean there’s other names for it. Like uh.. ark, wildcard, snail games, nitrado servers. There’s some more but uh. Take it. Give me 60 bucks For it too. Shut up and give me. Oh yeah you want some extra parts for it too. 40 bucks.

[winged dome]

Heh, Minecraft is a competitor to Ark as a survival crafting game

[fast isle]

There’s a very common trend with popular games. Unique features and a complete game loop

Minecraft’s unique feature is block world

[tropic forge]

ok but lets go back to were this all start it which was why ark was so successful so far and why i said it dosent have a true rival, aint about being a survival game its because it as dinos,breeding,colors and futuristic shit on it plus primitive too

[fast isle]

Game loop is killing Ender dragon then creating whatever you like

[winged dome]

You're wanting Ark's rival to be exactly like Ark, which isn't realistic. Is Coke not a rival to Pepsi, despite having different ingredients and Coke was designed to be drunk warm; Pepsi cold?

[tropic forge]

just saying is there was another company making same thing as wc whit another story im pretty sure wc would be at easy as they are and even less dropping shit on they player base just because

[winged dome]

-Slaps roof of Atlas-

[fast isle]

Wait what

[tropic forge]

dude they are from wc devs where is the diferent company there?

[winged dome]

Grapeshot Games

[tropic forge]

just because they had a different name and saying its a "sister company" dosent mean they aint the same shit

[fast isle]

If it ends in games it’s a bad company as In late releases for everything

[winged dome]

So wait, now because the game is too similar to Ark, it can't be a competitor? 😂

[tropic forge]

omg no its the same company same code same ppl no matter what

dark and light ark atlas as all the same damn code same principles same everything and all own by snail games that owns wildcard

not matter how many branches a tree as its all the same tree or you gonna call a different tree if you find a branch whit a different color?

[winged dome]

You tell me 😂

[sharp marsh]

I realy was excited about Atlas (bought it), but was so very disappointed

[tropic forge]

lol youre the one seem to no understand thats why i say that so you tell me 🤣

[winged dome]

I've made my point, you're wanting far too specific mechanics matching for a game to be considered a competitor to Ark

[tropic forge]

well a rival for me as to be similar in term of games youre you gonna say stranded deep is a ark rival?

or green hell

[winged dome]

Sure, they're survival crafting games

[sharp marsh]

We could all pack up and play Sea of Thieves 🙂

[tropic forge]

but yet none as dinos to tame breed so on so how can they rival whit ark not to mention none of those i mention are mmo

[winged dome]

Just features, parts of the whole
By your logic, Pepsi isn't a competitor to Coke 🤷‍♂️

[tropic forge]

both have sugar caffeine and gas

[winged dome]

Different features, makes them totally different 🤷‍♂️

[tropic forge]

althought one start whit the same thing as their name until was forbidden

[winged dome]

Completely non-comparible!

[tropic forge]

you just blow my mind, nice talk

[winged dome]

Likewise on both accounts

[tropic crag]

I love this whole conversation, and how it always breaks down into "Oh, so Ark isn't close enough to Rust to be comparable? Ok, let's use Atlas as an example, then." "Nononononono, that's too close, so it doesn't count" "Whe? " literally every time without fail

[tropic forge]

so you read all and you fail to notice the part of a ark not having a rival game from a different company?

[tropic crag]

🤦‍♂️

[winged dome]

Can you tell today was slow at work? 😂

[lost fossil]

@tropic forge trust when I say @tropic crag is the definition of a wildcard simp

Rust devs are a thousand times better the wildcard devs will be

[lost fossil]

If anything ark needs to be more like rust when it comes to pvp balance and communication with the playerbase

[tropic crag]

I've suggested a tool cupboard for Ark 2 multiple times here, and I'm far from WC's biggest fan, lmao. But go off, I guess 🤡

[untold ingot]

X to doubt. Rust doesn't even have official servers

I have played rust for like 50 hours, and in those 50 hours I was aimbotted 27 times. You literally can't convince me it's any better

Literally the only thing from rust worth taking is the tc and explosives not treating structures like they are paper

[lost fossil]

B to cancel I ain’t talking about the fact rust don’t got official servers I’m talking about in game wise and in terms of developers rust trumps ark in that category

[lost fossil]

That’s true

[lost fossil]

Not trying to rust got it’s faults

[untold ingot]

I don't think it does at all.

It's a different game entirely

[lost fossil]

But I’ve seen more active communication with rust devs then I’ll see wildcard do anytime

I mean did you see what their last two posts included

Also said official @untold ingot

Is getting deleted shafted

So either way their won’t be an official except on their ark survival ascended scam

[untold ingot]

I mean, you can have an opinion. I just disagree with it

[lost fossil]

That’s fine

You just gotta look at things in both perspectives

[untold ingot]

Tbf though, if I was a wc dev I wouldnt like talking to the community anyway. I have seen how toxic people are to them about the smallest things

[lost fossil]

Ark has potential it’s just the devs are not going about it in right way

[untold ingot]

On that point we disagree

[lost fossil]

I’d imagine so but part of what makes up ark is the pvp aspect mainly

[untold ingot]

And?

[lost fossil]

Yep said smallest things could be fixed but wildcard ignores

[untold ingot]

That doesn't give people a right to be toxic

[lost fossil]

They could try to balance the game more

[lost fossil]

I agree it doesn’t

[untold ingot]

They are, in asa

[lost fossil]

That shit is ran by snail games

[untold ingot]

So is the main ark. What's your point

[lost fossil]

That shit is cash grab for snail games

Just to get everyone to switch

[lost fossil]

Ark is the original

[untold ingot]

Everything is that for snail. Wc has done a good job at keeping the game alive in spite of snail

[lost fossil]

Snail is gonna kill it especially when the ceo of wildcard said it was going to be free and all

Paying for that shit only helps snail

[untold ingot]

Because in January that was the plan.

It's not like his tweet was an official announcement though

[lost fossil]

True but I under why most people are upset more so at snail games but

[untold ingot]

Because it's obvious that the high price is probably snail

[lost fossil]

If I was someone who’s played ark for years on official suddenly told official is going down for a new version of ark for $90 dollars I would genuinely be concerned

[lost fossil]

Paying for that helps snail not wildcard

It helps keep the sales up which keeps their shareholders happy

[untold ingot]

Keeping snail happy keeps wc around too though lol

[lost fossil]

Snail is a shady company ngl

Plus they basically added fuel to the fire by technically forcing official players to purchase ark survival remastered

By shutting down official

[lost fossil]

Once ark served their purpose they will ditch wildcard

And switch to the next one

[untold ingot]

They have stuck with wc because they have ruined all their other prospects

[lost fossil]

That’s why they milking tf out of ark until it’s over

Wildcard has to either cut their ties with snail or continue playing fiddle

Wonder how ark 2 will go

I’m honestly not mad about another delay

What’s gonna suck is what snail plans to do with ark 2

[rancid harness]

Pretty sure Wildcard is basically bankrupt at this point, what with no buyers for the Animated Series having no buyers and Ark 2 being delayed and most certainly over budget.

[tropic crag]

We have zero information as to their funding, but Microsoft did pay them to put the game on gamepass, so I doubt they're "bankrupt" lmao

[mighty lion]

I mean we have their earnings statements. Which I keep seeing youtubers misquote

From a business standpoint, it makes sense to sell a remaster if your next product keeps getting delayed and your current products sales aren't enough to cover your expenses. Though losses aren't the end of the world and many successful companies post losses. However accruing business debt in a market with rising rates is dangerous. Even if snail games wasnt public, this would've been the route taken.

[marble basin]

50 dollars for asa and ark 2

that makes asa basically free

[torn reef]

100%

no idea what people are complaining about

we pay now for future content is the only risk

[marble basin]

An easy way for a company to look for interest is to put a pricetag on things, its not set in stone

[astral token]

I would not mind paying if I knew more about ARK II, atleast gameplay, not just a few buzzwords :/

[marble basin]

cant you return games you have less than x amount of playtime tho?

[astral token]

Not in bundles I think

[untold ingot]

No, it makes ark2 free. Don't confuse the two lol

[marble basin]

You get both for 50 euro no?

[untold ingot]

Yeah, but there is still a chance ark2 cancels. I don't think it's a big chance but it's there.

I think Asa will be worth it but I don't convince myself I am buying ark2 lol

[mint swan]

The problem is that people are forced to buy ark 2 with it which is gonna be a completely different game. Its like if i was forced to buy overwatch to get tf2 (yea i know overwatch is free now but u get the point)

I want asa but idk if i want ark 2 yet

[south lance]

man i keep forgetting that snail games has a public balance sheet

300k daily players averaged monthly during 2022 apparently

[marble basin]

Doubt itll cancel. Why do you think that?

[south lance]

sold 6 million copies

[marble basin]

The thing is. Most new games are what? 60 euro nowadays. 50 for a new gen game is a steal. And then youre getting a remaster ontop of that, so asa is basically free

[blissful perch]

You’re not buying ark 2 tho

[marble basin]

Youre getting early access and ark 2 yes

[blissful perch]

You’re getting an ark 2 preorder (ie an investment) and buying a remaster for ark 1

[south lance]

The increase was due to the free week promotions on the Steam and Epic platforms and a subscription program on a certain platform that resulted in 36.3 million installs for the year ended December 31, 2022, as compared to 6.6 million installs for the year ended December 31, 2021.

[marble basin]

So youre getting ark 2

[south lance]

jesus lol

[blissful perch]

Should ark 2 never come out, you will never get ark 2

[marble basin]

Why wouldnt it

[blissful perch]

It’s likely a safe investment, but you’re not getting the product when you pay for it

[marble basin]

No but you are getting it

[blissful perch]

If I paid Apple for a new laptop and they promised me the new iPhone next year, which would you say you purchased?

[marble basin]

The whole arguement is assuming that you are getting the 2. Guaranteed

[south lance]

Net loss for the fourth quarter of 2022 was $2.3 million compared to a net loss of $9.1 million in the prior year period due to the $16.3 million write down of our Atlas license in the fourth quarter of 2021 offset by an increase in general and administrative costs of $4.2 million that was the result of increased litigation costs and professional fees related to Snail being a public company and a contingent fee related to the $2.5 million state tax refund we received in the fourth quarter of 2022.

Earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization (“EBITDA”) for the fourth quarter of 2022 was a loss of $5.3 million compared to a loss of $11.8 million in the prior year period. As of December 31, 2022, unrestricted cash was $12.9 million versus $10.2 million as of December 31, 2021.

[marble basin]

Why bring in the low % of some extreme case

[blissful perch]

Because people often forget what a preorder or early access purchase actually is

It’s a RISK you take on to support continued development. If for example 0 people buy ASA, ark 2 may not happen as intended 🤷‍♂️

[marble basin]

But the argument was that he said ark 2 was free

[marble basin]

But you know that wont happen

[blissful perch]

He’s thinking of it that way because you’re not getting a tangible product for ark 2 when you buy the bundle

[marble basin]

Yea but you can make any arguement unviable if you throw in extreme cases and numbers

[blissful perch]

Again, if I buy an apple and am promised an orange next year, I’m gonna say I bought an apple and got a free orange 😂

[marble basin]

Not if you paid for the orange?

[blissful perch]

But I didn’t get an orange when I paid money

[marble basin]

No but you paid for it

[blissful perch]

It boils down to your valuation of the future item

[marble basin]

This is so pointless lol

[blissful perch]

I assign 0$ to the future item, because it doesn’t exist and idk what I’m purchasing

[marble basin]

But it does exist and you know what youre purchasing…

[blissful perch]

Ark 2 is, much as I like the premise, a vague collection of ideas

It’s not a concrete product I’d know enough about to make an informed purchasing choice

[marble basin]

Idk where youre trying to get

What i said was not complicated

[blissful perch]

I’m saying the price tag of the bundle to me looks like the full price of ASA

Ark 2 has no impact on my valuation of the bundle - it adds no value to it because I don’t really know what’s IN ark 2

[marble basin]

Say that youre paying for ark 2 or asa thats up to you. Doesnt matter since youre getting both. You can call either of them free

[blissful perch]

I suppose if that’s how you value it

Though I’m not sure I’d put such a high value on a twice delayed preorder 😅

[marble basin]

50 euro for an early access new gen game isnt alot

[untold ingot]

Games have been canceled before, so it's not unrealistic to be worried about the value of the purchase

[untold ingot]

To some people it definitely is

[blissful perch]

50$ for an 18 month or more delay? I’m not sure I’d ever make a purchase that prospective

[marble basin]

Factually speaking. Not talking about peoples financial situation

[marble basin]

Id say its unrealistic

[marble basin]

Thats still not the arguement…

[grizzled belfry]

y'all can buy the game again if ya want to, I personally do not feed this type of poor business model.

[blissful perch]

It sounds like some folks will buy the bundle entirely as an ark 2 preorder, and have Asa as a side product

[marble basin]

Yep

[grizzled belfry]

to each their own...

[untold ingot]

Well, given your two takes, I would say you are unrealistic lol

[grizzled belfry]

@untold ingot what do you mean?

[marble basin]

Yea what do you mean

[untold ingot]

I would have thought it was obvious...

[marble basin]

No need to ridicule us. Explain instead

[untold ingot]

I did...

[marble basin]

Obv not since 2 of us are asking

[untold ingot]

$50 is a lot ($90 is more), and you are buying Asa, not ark2...

[marble basin]

Not from a factual standpoint 50 euro isnt alot

[untold ingot]

You must have a different set of facts

[tropic crag]

I don't really get what's at contention here, theoretically, you are buying Ark 1 (the "remake") at below market price of a standard release price for a current gen game (which is now 70, btw) and are getting Ark 2 free, eventually. Or you could turn it around and say you're buying them the other way around, but whatever. What's there to misunderstand here? Lmao

[grizzled belfry]

we already purchased Ark 1 it's a 10 year old game at $50.

[tropic crag]

That means nothing to the conversation at hand

[grizzled belfry]

sure it does

is ark remaster worth the price? no!

[tropic crag]

And as far as I remember, Ark 1 has never been 50 USD. It was 40 USD in early access, and 60 USD in full release

[grizzled belfry]

will ark II be better than ark I... not likely

would you like to see my steam receipt?

[tropic crag]

And you're one of those, so I'm outtieeeee

[grizzled belfry]

I respect myself too much to be just another consumer

you can go for it if you want... but I make educated choices

[tropic crag]

✌️

[left arch]

ark ultimate survivor edition with all dlc is 50, asa is just the base game and it is 50, ark is still a currently online and completely functional game that is consistently one of the most played on steam
that is objectively a bad value

you are paying more for less

[blissful perch]

Ark 1 losing official may change the valuation

[blissful perch]

A valid take - I’m curious if the general consumer base agrees

[left arch]

not by a lot, most players play the game on unofficial

[marble basin]

Thank you

[blissful perch]

It’s about 60-40 in favor of unofficial from when I last heard

I’ll also add many folks paid more than ultimate survivor edition prices for ark 1 because they got DLCs as they came out

Someone who got everything day 1 paid about 25 + 20 + 20 + 20 + 30 I believe for the base game and all DLC

[split dove]

it was either 30 or 40 for base game back then

[blissful perch]

I got it early access for somewhere in the 20s, but idk if it was on sale (2015)

[split dove]

might have been a sale, as i remember buying it for 30 or 40 ish before the game went out of ea

[blissful perch]

No shot it was 40 tho. Just like the wild take AAA games should be 70 now

🤮 nothing worse than letting someone raise the price then blindly saying “meh guess my money is worth less”

[split dove]

it was 29,99 at ea launch

[left arch]

oh yeah I have spent much more than 50 on it over time

but as it is currently valued you get all of those years of content for 50 which is a good price

[blissful perch]

It’s also content upwards of 8 years old

[split dove]

you get the first season pass for the price of one (3 DLC for $20), and Genesis pass for like half the price of what it's currently for ark 1

[blissful perch]

So the value was decreased to be 50 in aggregate

Stuff like season passes came out AFTER many DLC had dropped

Point being, prices fell for ark 1 because ark 1 has aged and it’s worth less

[left arch]

you are still paying $40 more for asa for the same content but with improved QOL which reasonably should not be so much unless it is a crazy good top to bottom remake

[blissful perch]

It’s $50 total isn’t it? It’s about the price of ark 1 in 2015 + SE in 2016

[left arch]

it's very different than full remakes like resident evil or remasters like halo 2 anniversary

[left arch]

but it's not 2015, it's old content being sold for new prices

[blissful perch]

They’re trying to sell it as new content for new prices. Idk if that’ll be what actually happens tho

I’m as skeptical as you are they’ll pull it off, but that’s the aim they seem to have

[left arch]

it is not new content though, it's improvements to old content, which will almost certainly not be worth $90 usd

[blissful perch]

It’s not “new” meaning novel, but perhaps with UE5 they can cook something up as a major enough value add to say it’s a new game worthy of updated prices

Again, I’m not sold it’ll work that cleanly…but that seems to be the approach

I will say I’d pay $30 or so just for UE5 Ab, because that would be gorgeous. Ab was mapping and creative genius

[left arch]

I think as an improvement I would be able to stomach the increased pricetag if it wasn't for the fact that you are paying for it again, you aren't just buying an improvement to your product, you are buying a completely new product that isn't actually completely new
essentially people that already owned the game and have spent over $100 should not have to spend $90

also ab is one of my favourite maps in any game ever, it's based as hell

[split dove]

aberration supremacy

[tropic forge]

so by your logic every game remaster should be free as long a person bought the original before?

[left arch]

no, because normally a game remaster comes out after a game is very old and is mostly non functional, as I said Ark is currently completely entirely functional by all means and is normally one of the most played games on steam with hundreds of thousands of players

it's a very different case

[tropic forge]

resident evil 4 is working perfectly yet they release a remaster/remake, should i send a email complaing to capcom about the new one being paid?

ark 1 is 8 years old so..

[left arch]

no because resident evil 4 is extremely old

[blissful perch]

Ark 1 is mostly functional is a take I suppose

We have been around long enough to forget, but a new player is exposed to a ton of borderline insane amounts of poorly functioning and thinly acceptable mechanics

[left arch]

also resident evil 4's remake is a completely new product, it reuses nothing from the old one
asa is not going to be like that

[blissful perch]

We don’t really KNOW what precisely will be different. We have a general idea but that’s not a lot to go off imo

[left arch]

that would be worse, that means you payed for a functional product, and instead of fixing the actual product they try to sell you a reskinned one that actually works

I understand they can't fix the original as is

but you shouldn't have to PAY for your product to be functional

that's just straight up scummy

imagine if No Man's Sky required that you buy a whole new version of the game for the price of the original for an update that brings the game closer to a fully polished product

[marble basin]

Shouldnt the people working there have salaries?

[tropic forge]

nope

[marble basin]

Obv

[tropic forge]

well theres still couple long hours to wait until next cc so meanwhile im gonna 🍿

[left arch]

not at the expense of paying for what you should have already got??? not if it actively requires such an immoral decision

by buying a product you are meant to receive a fully functioning version of that product
so ark 1 is broken in many ways, and you have to fork over another sum of money to have it fixed???

how can you even try to justify that with "shouldn't the people working there have salaries"

[winged dome]

Ark Asa isn't just about the fixes, there's a lot of new mechanic updates as well as a whole new engine, QoL updates and new features. True cross platform support and cross platform modding is huge

But if you really don't like it that much, don't buy it. Nobody is forcing you

[left arch]

can you really say that those new features are really going to be a whole new game pricetag

[winged dome]

Packaged with Ark2? Yes.

Because remember, you're getting 2 games out of this

[left arch]

ark 2 doesn't exist yet

you are gambling

and besides

that's even worse still

cause you can't get it without ark 2

[winged dome]

You can if you wait, but then if you decide to get Ark2 it'll probably cost more overall

[left arch]

so that's bad

[untold ingot]

Iff ark2 doesn't get canceled, which is a possibility

[left arch]

and an actively anti consumer and immoral business decision

[untold ingot]

Provided they didn't do a lot of changes

[winged dome]

I don't disagree there, but value-wise it's worth it in my opinion

And again, no one is forcing you to buy it if you don't want to

[untold ingot]

I don't disagree with your evaluation. I'll probably still wait for a sake

[left arch]

well sure, but if I want a fully functional version of a product that I already own, then I need to fork out more money for the game
we all agree that is BAD right? like that's not the argument

[winged dome]

It has problems, but it is fully functional. Vast majority of players don't have nearly as much of an issue with that as you do apparently

[marble basin]

But working takes time. Should they work for free you mean?

[untold ingot]

If it is identical to ark1 and is only a port, I won't buy it and I would agree with this. If they did significant changes than my opinion is the opposite

[marble basin]

Its not immoral to charge for something that ends up changing overtime

Its like p2p games that end up f2p

Should they refund everyone?

[marble basin]

It is functioning. It just has bugs

[winged dome]

Some exploits too, but nothing absolutely game breaking. Have exploiters? Host your own server and deal with exploiters yourselves

[marble basin]

Yea like what game has had no problems

Theyre recoding an entire game + dlcs. New tech and it takes years and you think its immoral to charge for that? Lol

Fix bugs and rewrite all code in ue4 on ark 1? Which they stated theyd have to do. Or rewrite it in ue5 for a massive upgrade

[abstract birch]

You can get it on game-pass where it will cost nothing at all. Also having it optional is fine, but actually getting Ark2 forced down your throat when you wanna play ASA in August is a no go cause people can't even get ASA sepperatetd.

[left arch]

the game crashes and many of the systems require fenagling to work, the optimization is poor and the game is not a fully polished version of itself, all of that should be free
so what you are paying for is new mechanics, are those mechanics really worth the price tag of a whole new game

[astral token]

I don’t think you can sell a product then just not deliver it, that’s illegal I believe

[winged dome]

Isn't game pass a paid subscription? If you stop paying, do you keep the games after? Or if the games are taken off game pass, do you still own them? I don't really know much about it

[winged dome]

Yeah, that is absolutely lawsuit territory

[abstract birch]

I think you can't play them anymore, when you opt out, but as long as you have it, it is an extremly good deal, especially cause it gives you the option to check out games without having to buy them. Also it fells super fishy that Ar2 is "only" $10 if you take the PS deal without Ark2 as comparisson.

[astral token]

Usually a bundle is cheaper than the individual sum of its parts

[abstract birch]

Like I said, it would be fine as optional package, but they also should offer ASA sepperated for people that have no interesst in Ark2 or are still sceptical about it, cause there is actually nothing really to show of Ark2 by now.

[untold ingot]

Remember that they aren't selling ark2

[astral token]

OwO?

[tropic forge]

🍿

[astral token]

So much popcorn is not good for health

[left arch]

true

[untold totem]

merch! merch! merch! merch! merch!

o wait that is not general, brb

[blissful perch]

Slightly false premise…in the US anyway all that’s protected by fraud is someone deceiving you about the product being sold. There’s no reason you can’t knowingly buy a non functional product

[blissful perch]

Really the issue as said above is that you can’t deceive. If you’re promised ark 2, you must plausibly deliver that product. But there’s NO protection against a flop title, a wildly unfinished one, or a late title

So you’ll get “nothing” if your personal expectations weren’t met and feel cheated…but it’s legal

[left arch]

it's not just what's legal, I don't think they have done anything illegal, I just think it is an anti consumer and straight up nasty decision, to have to pay so much for something that you already have if you want it to be properly refined and include things that it already should have

[winged dome]

And that's what mods are for 😂

[past wind]

TBF it’s illegal in some countries to sell bundles and not provide the possibility of buying the standalone products.

[untold ingot]

I mean, if they go out of business they aren't really going to care what your consumers think. And enough people are calling for them to go out of business, 🤣

[blissful perch]

“Already should have” is defined by the consumer’s expectations rather than reality

People purchased ark 1 in its current state, so that’s the value it has. If ASA can demonstrate it’s adding value, enough so that people purchase it…ASA will have what it should have. Obviously some people have wildly false expectations, or overvalue future possibilities, but the bulk of purchases represent people buying the product as is

[kind zinc]

I hope my grandkids think of me when they finally get to play the release of ark 2.

[blissful perch]

Unironically I wonder what amazing stuff my grandkids will have access to for gaming

[left arch]

idk man, this still doesn't change the fact that I think that Asa is way too much for people that already own the game
you shouldn't have to pay for something you already own again for it to function properly

[blissful perch]

It’s a response to demand - people have been asking like crazy for ark 2 to be ark 1 UE5 remastered. Now it’s being provided

It’s not a 1:1 upgrade either…since it would be a financial deadend instantly if it was

[left arch]

that still doesn't change anything 💀 you are just paying for something you already own for it to function fully

that's not right

[blazing cedar]

The ONLY correct answer they have is that you can still play the original ARK, you just cant play it on their official servers

[blissful perch]

“Function fully” implies you bought ark 1 assuming it will have a bunch of new functions and development. That’s not a great assumption

[blissful perch]

That’s what they’re doing

[split dove]

official's gonna be even more of a minority with crossplay and cross-platform mods

[blazing cedar]

Its like me saying I have Diablo 2 so i should get Diablo 2 Ressurected for free

[left arch]

no
what it means
is that you should not have to pay again, for a product you already own, to function properly
any changes that are not strictly a new feature should be free