ark-2

[marble basin]

People get mad that a sequel isnt different enough and now its bad thats its different? lmao

[verbal wind]

can't please everyone

[split dove]

and Ark Survival Ascended is being made for people that want to stay with Ark 1, even the devs said that Ark 2 won't be for everyone and are doing this to try to please both sides.

[marble basin]

yea some people just take out their frustration in chats like these without thinking it through

[split dove]

the same people crying that Ark 2 should be out now would cry when it's released in a poor state, wich is why it's delayed and to take better advantage of UE5

[ionic meteor]

I don't get it, I thought the community hated ARK2 for so long and wanted WC to stay with ARK1 for a while.

[marble basin]

Tho i do think the long delays are very stupid, theyve delayed for so many times that they shouldve become better at estimating their capabilities

[verbal wind]

the community couldn't agree on what color the sky is

[split dove]

i thought the vocal part of the community had functioning brains, guess i was wrong again

[ionic meteor]

Yeah should've given us a 2024 release from the 2020 announcement tbh.

[marble basin]

Yea id rather have a long time to wait, or atleast 1-2 months delay than 2 years 2 times

[vale tartan]

and they will still realise a big as s crap

[split dove]

This bundle will be available to purchase from the end of August for up to 1 year (after which ARK: Survival Ascended and ARK 2 will be sold separately). Additionally, the bundle will provide players access to an exclusive 1-month closed-beta to ARK 2 in 2024 before the rest of the general public can play ARK 2.
still has me thinking it's slated for summer next year

[vale tartan]

that stinks already before the realise it

[marble basin]

bro speak english

[ionic meteor]

The problem is: A. people held on their breaths thinking ARK2 is around the corner and B. is the new remaster is expensive and is not free as promised.

[marble basin]

its not expensive tho, its basically free since you get ark 2 aswell for 50 euro

which is normal for a new gen game, maybe even a little bit low

[verbal wind]

like 60-65 is the norm

[split dove]

considering it's a early access release that could be it's seperate price, as iirc early access games are forced to be priced less than full releases

[vale tartan]

i havent har that much crap since for ever dude you work for wild card ?

[ionic meteor]

I'm pretty confident this won't be the last time you'll have to bring up the WC's message in this chat 😂

[marble basin]

just take the L

[fallow niche]

[split dove]

it's for the betterment of this channel Bee, i swear

[fallow niche]

Nope

[astral token]

[ionic meteor]

There's a very strong chance they'll continue supporting ARK1 even after ARK2 releases because of the 'radical' changes and how its completely different, age of empires 2 is a prime example, being remastered and supported despite newer entries being released because there are people who love the second installment than the newer ones, and so ARK2 and ARK1 might co-exist post-2024.

[astral token]

This is already known

It’ll be a Monster Hunter World/Rise sort of scenario

[split dove]

Final Content Update: In June for ARK’s 8th Anniversary, we’ll release ARK: Survival Evolved’s final content update, which includes the fan-voted Rhyniognatha!
ARK: Survival Evolved Updates: will be limited to crashes and critical bug fixes.
Only Ark Survival Ascended is being supported for years to come

[vale tartan]

People spend to much time in the game to let go of they hard work in official servers

All those breeders that works hard on mutations will never agree to that

[ionic meteor]

Yes but some people want or expect ARK1 to die but it looks like thats not the case afterall.

[astral token]

ASA is not dead/gonna die anytime soon

@fallow niche a dedicated ASA channel would be nice 🙂

I’ll send a dm to dodomail too

[ionic meteor]

Exactly my point.

[fallow niche]

Can probably bring this channel back to Ark2 at this point and just move ASA to #ark-survival-ascended while we wait for feedback on the ASA channel suggestion.

[astral token]

It’d be heresy to talk about your successor in your house months before murdering you

[wary wraith]

you can still use KB and mouse on xbox, right?

[fallow niche]

.

[blissful perch]

Don’t make me think ark 2 is the rise…what a downgrade from world

Ark 2 should be the MHW compared to rise

[astral token]

My example was more about parallelism

[blissful perch]

The choice of example damaged my soul lol your logic was fine

[ripe marsh]

damn fr 💀 ?

haven't gotten rise yet but I am planning to

[blissful perch]

Try the demo

[winged dome]

World >>> Rise, its not even close to a comparison

Rise was SO disappointing

[lilac olive]

Ark 2 will release 2026 do to ue6 being diveloped

[mint swan]

Lol

[blissful perch]

Don’t excite me like that

[mint swan]

€10,00 bucks for Ark 2 this smells like big time trouble

[blissful perch]

Dang inflation must be something fierce if 50-60$ is 10,000 euros. Rip the EU

[mint swan]

Hahahaha

[split dove]

i blame the gas companies

[winged dome]

Obligatory Brexit meme

[blissful perch]

Flobs you ok buddy? Fren is making it seem pretty bad

I’ll buy you a copy and ship it over, save you 10 grand euros 😂

[split dove]

meh, everyone has gone insane already anyway. this is just phase 2

[sick solstice]

Guys

[split dove]

no

[winged dome]

New discord member, anime profile pic, all caps name, dis gonna be good 🍿

[blissful perch]

Nothing made me chuckle like when I was chatting about WC’s PR and someone’s like “why be negative”…when I’ve been here being measured for years

Pretty sure I’m the only person LEFT from the first days of the channel actually using it

[split dove]

the ark 2 chat?

[blissful perch]

This ark 2 chat

Been chatting game design, business, and science (as it pertains to ark 2) in here for years lol

[split dove]

i've been here from the start, just haven't botherd posting all that much until recently

[blissful perch]

Then you know I’m one of the last of my kind 😂😂

[lilac olive]

Just waiting for the only ark 2 discord I see

[blissful perch]

Ah that’ll be a nice day. But I’m not in a rush

[rare heart]

Based

[winged dome]

Ok so explain what Based means, because I don't get it

[blissful perch]

Based is the inverse of cringe

[rare heart]

Agreeable, more or less

Idk, it seems like with each passing day people just accept shitty content as something good

[potent hull]

i am her to see DR asa lol

[ebon chasm]

i wonder if they would add new dinos

[grand lynx]

four new ones with the new story map announced, but no details yet.

[ebon chasm]

new structures as well?

[fallow niche]

Can probably bring this channel back to Ark2 at this point and just move ASA to #ark-survival-ascended while we wait for feedback on the ASA channel suggestion.

[grand lynx]

yeah, they only listed display case and a smaller teleporter. check out the community crunch in #announcements

[white dove]

will do, I'll move my monolog

[grand lynx]

true say bee

[fallow niche]

Tyty

[weak basalt]

Not before ascended ark survival ascended ascension comes out I hope. Really wanna buy the baseline game 4 times before the 2nd game 😂😂😂

[split dove]

Ark 2 is currently slated for late 2024, mainly to give Wildcard more time to learn to utilize Unreal Engine 5 better first

[weak basalt]

So still plenty of time for them to try force us to buy ark 1 another 2-3 times I guesss

[fallow niche]

Can move that to #general and keep this one for Ark 2 itself. Plenty in general chat are having that conversation. Thank you.

[shell scaffold]

The news seems to have brought a boost in players to ark lately

[white dove]

you're very much kidding yourself if you believe wildcard stops at 2 delays (with about 5 concept art snapshots) Realistically we're looking at a mid 2025 release if you put their past into account. Plus dealing with U5 as a "unfamiliar territory" for them.

saying end of 2024 is just to mitigate the outrage

[fiery oracle]

2 year delay auaeueaoaoaeu

[marble zenith]

i think it wont even be released at all i genuinely believe they cant afford to get it to gameplay without charging us all again for ark 1

[white dove]

A very valid point. Either way I won't hold my breath, I've already written it off... I'm only here to make sure people remember the stuff that's been pulled in the past, because the playerbase really didn't kick off until console release, and those folks are too new to know the pain

[south lance]

i forgot what i was gonna talk about

[tropic crag]

The mods literally just talked about this lol

[south lance]

🤪

[mighty lion]

Can you make an ASA channel?

[fallow niche]

Already looking into it. For now use #ark-survival-ascended or #general please.

[south lance]

this is the channel where you ask if ark2 has dropped yet@mighty lion

[hidden verge]

Ark 2 should make use of AI anti cheat

[minor thicket]

is Ark 7.5 out yet

[potent hull]

asa will hop full be better cod then old ark 1

[fallow niche]

Can probably bring this channel back to Ark2 at this point and just move ASA to #ark-survival-ascended while we wait for feedback on the ASA channel suggestion.

[maiden granite]

Do we have info if there will be again crowdin translation for ark 2?

[fallow niche]

This channel is not for ranting about ASA. It is for Ark 2. You can move to #general.

[fallow niche]

Not yet.

[white dove]

If they can't/won't show any Screens/video From Ark 2 this year... does that mean they plan to complete the game in 1 year after initial concepts? Why hold back development art/showcases? Especially now.

[fallow niche]

They've shared more concept art. It's only April. They have time to share more.

[marble zenith]

Ark 2 💀

[maiden granite]

I'm kind of hoping for it because I want to put a piece of my own soul into it But on the other hand, the same thing can happen as with Ark 1 (often mistranslation)

[fallow niche]

I really hope it does have a good translation feature for our non native English community

[candid bough]

its going to be fucking garbage nobody is gonna wanna buy it because nobody wants to get fucked over again and again like we all are now :/

[desert swallow]

Oh come on now, I'm sure the translation won't be that bad.

[white dove]

Same here, It's maddening that it was never integrated into ark1, so much xenophobia all because no one can communicate without google on the side

[fallow niche]

Again, Can probably bring this channel back to Ark2 at this point and just move ASA to #ark-survival-ascended while we wait for feedback on the ASA channel suggestion.

[desert swallow]

you have to admit, boxes in chat were terrifying. I'm sure they'll do better in Ark 2

[fallow niche]

I'm so hopeful for some better chatting in Ark 2

[split dove]

my fear of boxes was solidified due to that tbh 🫣

[stray elm]

Assuming my post was deleted?

[nova junco]

Because the game is completely ducked right now

[timber lance]

Nice nickname

[timber lance]

Good point

[prisma pike]

\n op

[tropic crag]

What post?

[stray elm]

I copied and pasted something UpFromTheDepths said.
TL;DR, he's finally excited to bring Paleo ARK to console due to the crossplat form modding. So I figure that's not part of the April-fools joke.

[tropic crag]

I mean, he is continuing the series into Ark 2, so

He also just might not be in on the joke

[stray elm]

Yep.
But just rounding out what is/isn't part of this April Fools joke.

[stray elm]

He said he's known this for months

At least the crossplatform modding

[tropic crag]

Meh, we've all known for months that the Ark 1 remake was going to have it, joke post or not

Because UE5

[stray elm]

Oh, I know.
I mean ruling out the cross-platform modding.

[untold ingot]

Ue5 doesn't make cross-platform modding any easier

[tropic crag]

Sure, but UE5 is what they are making cross platform modding for with Ark 2, so it would only make sense that an Ark 1 on UE5 would have the same, right?

Regardless, we've spoken on this before so idk why it was brought up again tbh

[untold ingot]

They are making cross-platform modding because they are getting someone else to run the mod support lol

[left arch]

@tropic crag you're still on it being a joke? 🤨my brother in Christ it is April 3rd where I am and April 2nd at wildcard
How long until the deadline is for them to clarify it was a joke for you

[stray elm]

April 2nd actually, for Wildcard

[left arch]

I
I said that

[stray elm]

April 2nd

[left arch]

Yes?

[stray elm]

April 2nd

[left arch]

🤨what about it

[stray elm]

Yes

[left arch]

Alright

[stray elm]

No

[left arch]

Blood vessel in brain, popped

[stray elm]

The word LASER stands for Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation.

[left arch]

That is true

[raw bobcat]

Ztimulated* u mean Lazer

[stray elm]

No

[odd holly]

@left arch its not worth it, hes on copium

few days and nothing from them saying its a joke lmao

[tropic crag]

Because they don't work on weekends... does nobody listen when I type?

[odd holly]

oh yeah they have to be at work on monday just to send a simple tweet, or something of the sort to say its a prank, which they can do from home

[left arch]

That's what I'm saying

[stray elm]

No, I don't have text-to-speech on. So I can't listen

[odd holly]

and if its actually a joke. they would had said it at the bottom of the crunch

[tropic crag]

No, but they have to be at work to do the big post that requires them to be in-office to plan it out and type it up

[odd holly]

instead of dropping this and not saying anything else lol

[tropic crag]

Ah yes, the arbitrary rules of April Fools that everyone follows /s

[odd holly]

this man gonna go silent tomorrow ngl

[left arch]

Real

[fallow niche]

Can probably bring this channel back to Ark2 at this point and just move ASA to #ark-survival-ascended while we wait for feedback on the ASA channel suggestion.

[left arch]

😳okedoke

[tropic crag]

But yeah back on topic

[left arch]

Slimed

I want leaf lizard news

[tropic crag]

Sabertooth did look cool, and I hope that it has something actually useful to do in-game now (or I will never tame it, just like in Ark 1)

[vocal musk]

ark 2 isnt going to sell we spent alot on ark 1 and now we need to pay even more? ugh #cancelark2

[tropic crag]

Wait, why did mine get deleted? It was about the post, which was about Ark 2's "delay"

Tf man

[stray elm]

Which one?

[fallow niche]

Accidental delete, was a link before it.

[nimble trail]

I agree, the devs are blatantly refusing to listen to their consumerbase and then shoves bonus disappointment in their faces, and that is just a recipe for poor sales.

the creature designs are great, but they aren't going to sell it if the combat is janky like souls combat is known to be, and third person only alienates most of the playerbase

[tropic crag]

Ah, understandable

[untold ingot]

I am looking forward to the soulslike

[tropic crag]

Same here, and since when is souls-like combat heralded as "janky"? Everyone and their brother loved Elden Ring...

[untold ingot]

I am tired of the same old first person shooter that is used in every single game

[mossy charm]

Yeah, souls like combat has the potential to be really good

Hopefully it’s better than Conan Exiles lol

[untold ingot]

Their consumer base was begging for this tbh

[mossy charm]

What

[untold ingot]

Conan combat is okay, but could be way better

[mossy charm]

Yeah, I think it would be more fun if the weapons were more balanced

But when it’s just pike and greataxe it gets super boring lol

[untold ingot]

Or dagger spam

[mossy charm]

Yikes

[untold ingot]

The Conan pvp is really terrible.

[mossy charm]

It really is

[untold ingot]

For pve without cheese it is good

[mossy charm]

Yeah, doing unnamed city bosses is pretty fun

Killing the red mother for the first time felt so exciting

[untold ingot]

The only issue with it is the ai in that game, and the tames/items are terrible lol

[mossy charm]

Yeah lol

Plus the game is just buggy as all hell

[untold ingot]

Yeah. I am pretty sure wc will do a better job

[stray elm]

Been playing through Cyberpunk, and besides the bugs the story is fucking great.
Hopefully ARK-2 can make me feel the same emotions I've been feeling for Cyberpunk

[nimble trail]

when? Everyone I know is either still angry over it or have given up on ark over it

amongst the other things

[untold ingot]

For the last year people have been campaigning for and ark1 remaster and wanting ark2 to be scrapped. They are getting the remaster

[nimble trail]

nobody wanted a remaster like this convoluted marketing mess

[untold ingot]

No, they all wanted it for free

[tropic crag]

What bugs are there still? Haven't seen any lately

[stray elm]

Game breaking ones have been patched, from my experience.
Just normal ARK-like jank where NPC's will clip through each other.
In one serious moment, the building I was in was getting shot up from a fucking giant ass drone, and the friend I was with just T-posed to show his dominance.

[tropic crag]

Hmm, are you on current gen?

[stray elm]

PC

[verbal wind]

there are always bugs in games, and bugs that will pop up from the fixing of previous bugs

[tropic crag]

Ah, well can't help you there

I know on Series X, there's slim to no bugs whatsoever

I have yet to own it on PC though

[stray elm]

Seems like console versions of games are just generally less buggy

[tropic crag]

Weirdly enough, yeah

At least, in my experience

Been honestly debating selling my laptop tbh, I don't use it for anything other than like... modded BO3 zombies and BTD 6 lol

[potent hull]

i wonder will they revamp are ark skills and add more or make them better in ark 2

[prisma pike]

What

[stone valve]

your mother like elden ring . i hate it and i know many other ppl too so dont speak for all ... souls like is bullshit if you want souls like then play dark souls .....

[verbal wind]

tell us how you really feel

[short fulcrum]

Sounds like a skill issue...

[glad garden]

I sense anger in the force...calm yourself jedi or the dark side will get you

Personally I'm supper hyped by ASA and A2 ❤️

[thick moat]

❤️ i hope it turns out well #positivevibes
(eveb though 1st days i was kinda negative with wc💀)

[rancid harness]

I'm shook by the pricing model. ASA is $40 on ps5, so based on the Xbox/pc bundle price they're selling Ark 2 for $10?? What?? Like it's it gonna be that bad of a game? Are they that worried about people not liking it? What's going on here??

The price almost implies wc has no faith in a2

And why on earth are you selling the remaster for more than $30? Did xbox not want to pay them for it for game pass? They could have used this opportunity to draw even more people in, but the price point is going to keep a lot of potential people out.

[stray elm]

Bundles half the cost of most games to make it enticing.

ARK-2 wouldn't be 10$, it'd be more like 20$ USD, or 30$.
They're lowering since it's a 'bundle'

[rancid harness]

ASA is $40

So I guess that logic would make sense.

$20 for ASA, $30 makes up the difference of the $50 and is half of $60, new game price for A2

Still weirds me out that they're selling a game that hasn't even had a screenshot revealed yet.

Which I think is pretty disingenuous.

[stray elm]

40$ on Playstation, since it's excluding ARK-2

49.99$ USD for everywhere else

[rancid harness]

Then ark 2 is $10

[stray elm]

Again, not how that works.
The pricing of ARK-2 by itself can be higher, like 20$ to 30$
The bundle just makes it cheaper

[rancid harness]

But I'm getting ark 2 for $10

That's the opposite of a power play

[stray elm]

In the bundle, yes. But not by itself

[rancid harness]

Correct

The simple fact that at any point they are selling ark 2 for $10 implies many things

[stray elm]

It implies it's in a bundle, yes.

[rancid harness]

Yup.

They felt the need to bundle a next gen game with no proven gameplay for $10 with a remaster of a game that came out in what, 2014?

[stray elm]

Yep.
Cause ARK-2 wont be released for a year and a half, and many games lower the prices of both games in a bundle.

Wildcard has been generous with their marketing.
Remember the time they made ARK free for a whole 24 hours to own?

[tropic crag]

Uh, you mean several times? Lmao

[left arch]

wait a minute

ark 2 real?

crazy

[rancid flicker]

when ark2 starting?

[verbal wind]

🍻

[strange fable]

lol they will delay ark 2 for at least until 25

then release a shitty bet and never fix issues, dropping dlc's to stay afloat

just based off their track record

[neat bough]

sh

[broken dune]

Asa will be 1$ on game pass with all dlcs tho

lol

[mortal siren]

1$ ?

Gamepass has a 20% discount on some games

So if the discount applies to the bundle and the DLCs and let’s say the new DLC of ASA will be 10$, ASA with all its DLCs + Ark 2 will be 80$ to own

And they didn’t mention ASA coming to Gamepass

[broken dune]

bro they got the ultimate edition only no need to buy anything

[mortal siren]

Ark Survival Evolved Ultimate Edition is something and ASA is something else

2 different games not connected to each other

[broken dune]

So only ark 2 will be 1$ on day one

[mortal siren]

Ark 2 will be coming to Gamepass Day One for free (for those who are subscribed to Gamepass), yes

But for ASA and its DLCs, WC didn’t mention that they will be coming to Gamepass as well

It may come in the future, who knows

[unborn galleon]

ARK 2 doesn't Exist!! And they want us to Pay for it with the Bundle!! Change my mind

[lunar finch]

Nah.

[unborn galleon]

[desert swallow]

Sure, I'll bite, you're going to buy the bundle because you're addicted to this game.

[unborn galleon]

You might be right Lol

But that doesn't mean they are fucking people over

[desert swallow]

It's 50 bucks for a luxury, put things into perspective.

life goes on. They aren't a good business imo but produced the best survival game I've ever played.

[split dove]

sadly snail games has their claws in them wich may have been why it became a paid product, as snails stocks have been down for a small while

[desert swallow]

snail games, more like fail games!

[split dove]

they can't make good games, so they try to make ark clone cashgrabs that fail as they don't have passion while making products

[desert swallow]

Wish they could separate from them, but I'm sure it's all money related.

[blissful perch]

Pretty sure without snail WC would have gone belly up

[fallow niche]

Can move that to #general please, same conversations there pretty much.

[blissful perch]

My 2 cents is ASA and ark 2 go here, since there’s no shot they’ll be fully divorced in discussions about future ark products…at least until ASA comes out

[fallow niche]

Can use #ark-survival-ascended or #general for ASA until we get feedback on the ASA suggestion. This is for Ark 2.

[mighty lion]

Who's betting the devs are radio silent for a while?

[past wind]

TBF, it would be better this way.

[blissful perch]

What would they say?

[past wind]

The release is like 20 months away

[blissful perch]

I’m fine with biweekly concept art

But I’m curious what non-radio silence means for Frieza

[mighty lion]

Isn't it monthly?

Just not posting on Twitter or discord

[past wind]

That and features showcase, I mean the concept of the features. There's still too much to explain here.

[blissful perch]

The sns showcase was slept on…it was really cool to see that

[past wind]

Yeah

[mighty lion]

The could address concerns and confirm more about the upcoming shutdown .. but that may be in future crunches

[blissful perch]

What’s to confirm about the shutdown beyond the exact date?

[mighty lion]

Was there a new showcase?

Things like if player characters will transfer ( doubtful)

[blissful perch]

“New”. There was one a few weeks ago that showed some weapons and a bit on how component crafting worked

[blissful perch]

They confirmed nothing goes from ark 1 to ASA or ark 2, since UE4 -> UE5 isn’t feasible

[mighty lion]

I have a hard time believing player engram data cannot be transfered

[past wind]

TBF, a fresh start is better in that case

[mighty lion]

But I do believe that it won't

Yeah a fresh start does seem more fun, except starting on island

[blissful perch]

I think the player data itself may be rewritten or something to that effect? It would add needless ark 1 baggage imo

[fallow niche]

Y'all. Please.

[blissful perch]

Similar to how I don’t want a lick of ark 1 transfer into ark 2…it just adds baggage, both in content and in code

I dunno what to tell you except the crunch looped issues together for these two games

[south lance]

theres literally nothing to talk about with ark2 i dont get why devs would be mad if we talked about asa here

[fallow niche]

Then move to #ark-survival-ascended or #general please.

[desert swallow]

People are trying to keep hype alive in anticipation of ark 2 in a few years. Some people will have none of that!

In a way ASA is the precursor for ark2, and thus related.

[winged dome]

But its not Ark2

[desert swallow]

Sure but there is no ark2, so when people talk about taming in ark 1 it's usually from the lens of "I hope they fix this for ark 2"

same with ASA, since it'll be the first exposure to UE5 and ark franchise, which will be in use with ark 2

[fallow niche]

ASA is not related to Ark2 other than the pre-order. Any ASA talk can go to #ark-survival-ascended or #general until a decision has been made on the ASA suggestion. Thank you.

[blissful perch]

I hope ark 2’s breeding system is fixed. I hope that with the new news of the game I can’t speak of that the old horrendous time wasting method of breeding can sit in the past and people who want it can still do it

[stray elm]

I hope the video I just watched wasn't right of the roadmap being SnailGames start of their metaverse.

[fallow niche]

#ark-survival-ascended or #general unless it is specifically Ark 2.

[blissful perch]

I have no idea how this would even work in ark 2…it’s still not clear to me

[stray elm]

Shi-Hai has already talked about it, and the idea is to introduce NFT's in ARK-2. Where everything is marketable.

[vapid panther]

Maybe the new canon map for ASA is after Gen2 and before Ark2 as an actual link between the game

[split dove]

Gen 2's ending legit links to Ark 2, i think it's gonna be a dlc set between Extinction and Genesis part 1

[stray elm]

To be fair, ARK-2 is set a few years later. There's enough gap to have a DLC is if was in there

[vapid panther]

I mean actual link as in we can transfer characters. It will be UE5 so makea it easier

[split dove]

yeah no, keep Ark 1 stuff in Ark 1

[past wind]

So you think ASA's exclusive DLC will picture Arat? That would be awesome if they did.

[blissful perch]

The entire point of [redacted] is so ark 2 can be independent from ark 1 in every possible way

[past wind]

A preview of Arat would be awersome

[stray elm]

I don't 'think' so. I was just defending the point

[past wind]

Anyway, WC if you are reading, I hope the new map is in Arat

[stray elm]

Honestly, the more talk of ARK-2 and the marketable mods, the more I'm just turned off from the ARK IP as a whole.
This is Fallout-76 all over again for me.

[past wind]

You know it's optional, right?

[stray elm]

Optional doesn't mean it's good.

[past wind]

People can release free mods for Ark 2 still

[split dove]

iirc it's gonna be up to modders to choose if they want to make them paid no?

[past wind]

You are against a way to monetize the creator's work?

[vapid panther]

It'd be wierd for me to add story in between other maps. Id rather see a glimpse of whats coming in Ark2. Make it so items dont DL. Not really important but could allow them to test terrain or fighting styles.

[stray elm]

Yes, but there's still going to be a fuck load of uproar if well known mods like ARK Additions choose to market themselves.
This is literally what happened with the Creation-Club, and that shit was shut down

[past wind]

It is

[stray elm]

If it's like the Creation-Club, they only get 10% anyway.

[past wind]

Why are you against giving money to the content creators?

They have bills to pay

[blissful perch]

It’s really weird to pay for mods. I dislike it

[past wind]

If you read the announcement again, they will get 50%

[past wind]

But the modders will have an option to do so, not an obligation

[blissful perch]

I’m fine with mods being roped into official content as a paid DLC (with the modder being compensated), but just any old guy having that control is a -2 from me

[stray elm]

I'm against the idea of locking well known mods that people have in their loadorder behind a paywall after it was free for years.
And it's not like it's enough to pay bills, even if 50% a mod would be like 5$ USD.
2.50$ per purchase is not enough, that's lower then minimal wage.

[blissful perch]

Correct, but that’s a lot of sway a single person could have, and it has perverse incentives

[stray elm]

And it's not just the mods, it's the fact that Snail could still be going forward to make ARK-2 a NFT dumphouse.

[velvet willow]

Les go ark 2030 or sooner

[past wind]

Just look the big mods numbers. They are downloaded by thousands of players

As customer I would like to have everything for free, but people need money

[stray elm]

Yep, cause they're a click of a button.
I can expect those numbers to half in revenue.

[past wind]

Well, that would be ok I guess

[stray elm]

Again, if you want to see my issues with it. Look at how well the Creation-Club did.

[past wind]

Not everyone would pay for mods

others will

Maybe new modders will have alternatives for free

we will see

[vapid panther]

I run 10+ mods... at $5 each that doubles the cost for me. I dont think it will play out

[stray elm]

Until we get more information, I'm starting to lose interest of the ARK IP.

[past wind]

Well, clearly the current model isn't sustainable as it is and they decided to change theis strategy

Ark 2 is taking longer

They will need more money to fund their work

[stray elm]

Money I'm not sure I'm willing to give.

[past wind]

They might not have all the spare money to fund the new multi-platform system alone

[past wind]

And that's fine

But it won't change the reality

[blissful perch]

The issue is that modders can basically compete in a market

[tropic forge]

ffs why ppl are talking they run out of money???

[stray elm]

I could care less about the fucking needing to rebuy everything.
But the fact that they're going with Overwolf, an addware, and doing exactly what Bethesda did even though it failed, I'm not seeing the positive in this.

[stray elm]

SnailGames stocks are at an all time low

[blissful perch]

A cheaper mod that does the same thing can cheat a more sophisticated one. Or a mod that’s ubiquitous can charge really high prices if they so choose because it’s required to play on a bunch of servers

[desert swallow]

When ark 2 comes out I won't be able to pay my mortgage because of all the mods.

[tropic forge]

still dosent mean they need money to make ark2 ufff

[past wind]

Well, I've been saying I didn't like their announcement and people were in denial. That's just one of the reasons.

[stray elm]

And if modders get really tired of it, they can pull off what killed the Creation-Club, and just make new free mods that do the exact same thing the paid ones do, but better.

[past wind]

But It is what it is

I'm still interested in Ark 2 and ASA

[vapid panther]

Maybe creating mods will be easier so competition will increase?

[past wind]

I will wait and see how it ends

[blissful perch]

Easier mods means more mods yes…but if you want to encourage good work you need the incentive to be fair

[desert swallow]

paid mods won't be popular because unofficial servers that want to be popular will not use them.

[stray elm]

Yeah, competition within the 'free' community.
If the ARK modding community can pull of what the Skyrim/Fallout community did, they'll kill off the paid mods.

[blissful perch]

You can basically wiggle your mod into the market, make it used across tons of servers, and jack up the price

[desert swallow]

You wouldn't want to gate an unofficial server with real money.

[stray elm]

Yeah, and there's the issue of needing to buy a mod to get into a server.

[past wind]

Hence why they have their rewards program. And apparently they need funding to keep the mods going forward.

[blissful perch]

People already sort of do with server patreons

[past wind]

Well, the servers have the option not to use paid mods

[stray elm]

And Charlie, the fuck do you mean "why wouldn't I want creators to be paid"
Wildcard has been doing that exact fucking thing for 8 years with sponsored mods.

[past wind]

BUT they aren't willing to keep doing this way

[stray elm]

And that's on Wildcard's/Snails fault

[past wind]

They need funding for that, looking forward

[desert swallow]

Can you play on the server without being a patreon. Sorry not familiar with it.

[vapid panther]

Is this what they meant by 'never done before'? Get the community to develop all new content and take half the profit!

[past wind]

Yeah it is

WC wasn't able to deliver ark 2 on time, things changed

that's the reality as I can see it

Ark 2 has a new model now

[rancid harness]

Nah, making mods easier to make and downloadable on all platforms

[blissful perch]

Depends on the server. Some only give whitelist to patreons

[stray elm]

The reality is the premium mods are most likely the start of what SnailGames wanted.
They talked a few months ago of wanting to market mods for ARK-2, and now we're seeing it for ASA.
They say "we want to support creators" but we know that's a load of shit, since it's SnailGames. They just want to profit on it.
And if that's the case, I have no interest in this IP anymore.

[past wind]

Well, If they are funding the devs, they deserve a say on it

[blissful perch]

That’s only if there’s a market for paid mods. I suspect the market is extremely tight

[past wind]

they will fund WC for another 20 months

[stray elm]

Funding with features that no one asked for, like paid mods

[blissful perch]

It’s REALLY crummy practice though to have micro transactions built into the modding ecosystem, and basically have financial ties to all modders

[unborn tundra]

i dont think i could think of one game with paid mods

other than maybe mc pocket edition

its bull shit

[stray elm]

Honestly, I don't encourage it normally. But I kind of hope people boycott ASA and ARK-2 enough that it'll force SnailGames to reconsider their marketing.

[stray elm]

Recent Bethesda titles

[past wind]

I don't 50% of the price paid for mods will give them enough profit to pay for the franchise's development and pay their montly bills

[blissful perch]

They make tons of money from sales. They need to scale their scope back before resorting to tactics like this

[past wind]

Well, if it happens, it will be a fair game

[past wind]

There is a bunch

I'm a simulation games guy

[stray elm]

Which is why I kind of hope this boycotting will do something.
Companies like Snail don't give a fuck about reputation, they care about money.
Hurting them where they care is the only way to make changes.

[sharp marsh]

Well I guess it is Monday in the US now, and no sign of any word that it was an April Fools joke 🙂

[past wind]

You can pay like 1000x more in mods than what you paid for the base game

Complex games have lots and lots of mods

[stray elm]

Yeah, and I don't want that.
I don't want to pay for hundreds of mods just to join a server.

[past wind]

And it works for simulators (racing, flying etc)

If it will work for Ark, I don't know

[past wind]

The thing is, you don't have to pay

but if you want an specific feature, someone can work on that and get paid

[blissful perch]

A bounty board using modders is fine

Paid public facing mods tho? Terrible idea. Unless there’s a serious vetting process to turn them into WC partners or something, which doesn’t sound like the case

I’d have been ok with big mod efforts like CI or Fjordur being paid DLC for example

[past wind]

I think it's on the announcement they will assess the mods

[stray elm]

Also, not to sound like an ass, and I know not everyone can do it due to mental issues or physical.
But for a majority of people, why not instead of relying on making mods to keep your lights on, get an actual job that pays the minimal wage of your country/state?

[blissful perch]

Most mods are a hobby

[stray elm]

Exactly

[blissful perch]

The mod money is for WC to make extra cash

[stray elm]

What they do on their free time.
A lot of modders just want to make them for fun, not market them as another job.

[blissful perch]

I’m already hype for scam mods

[stray elm]

They already deal with shit at work.
They most likely don't wanna deal with shit while modding, like needing to market it.

[stray elm]

Yeah, future kind of looking grim, not gonna lie.

[past wind]

But the modders will still be able to offer their work for free

I don't see the issue here

Unless you don't want to give that option to the modders

[stray elm]

The issue is that there's too many factors that'll come into play that wont make it a good system.
Rather just scrap it as a whole before needing to deal with the bullshit of it.

[past wind]

Yeah, but I think overwolf you take care of them. If they don't, well, that will be bad. LOL

[stray elm]

And if they 'really' fucking care to support modders, then just do sponsored mods more often.

[past wind]

Maybe they already did

[blissful perch]

Or have more mods roped into cheap DLC. I think that’s an acceptable approach

[past wind]

This roadmap could be the results of their struggle to deliver their products

[stray elm]

Or integrate popular mods into the official game, and give the original modders a small percentage of ARK's total revenue.

[past wind]

The problem is, what revevnue? THey will need to fund Ark's 2 development for another ~20 months.

[stray elm]

The fucking revenue for ASA and the DLC's.
Not 'all' of the money will be going to ARK-2, they'll need to ratio it.

[past wind]

Which are probably going to the development of Ark 2?!

We don't know how bad it is

[blissful perch]

Like I said, if their money situation is that bad, they need to cut back on scope

[stray elm]

Then how're they going to keep the servers up, if they're throwing all of their money to ARK-2?

[past wind]

Look, the reason I'm disappointed since friday is, the picture doesn't look great after the roadmap

[stray elm]

That, or just sell Wildcard or the ARK IP if they're 'this' desperate.
There'd be a lot more red-flag of a company about to go defunct then this.

[past wind]

I'm still in, but not so confident as before

[blissful perch]

I don’t love saying it, but if that’s the level of severity that’s the way to go. Cut the scope back, release ASAP in whatever state you can complete, go from there

[stray elm]

Yeah, no. I'm not in until I see more proof.

[past wind]

That's my whole point

They have lots of bills to pay and Ark 2 development

[blissful perch]

Snail would have to sell ark and I suspect it won’t. It would rather sell itself than sell ark

[stray elm]

With new laws being passed, seems like Chinese products wont be retrieved into the U.S if I recall.

[past wind]

Man I will just say we can just guess here. It's hard to assess the reality of things.

The fact is: they've changed their strategy. Like it or not.

I didn't like, I've been voicing it since friday

It doesn't bode well to me

But it's the new reality

[unborn tundra]

how did you type so much with the chat cool down 💀

[past wind]

Cool down is low I guess

5 seconds

[desert swallow]

Paid a discord mod

Mods can be purchased, 50% goes to WC

[unborn tundra]

snailgames selling discord mod for $49 now

[stray elm]

If this law is true/gets passed. Then Snail has 4 options.
A: Sell the ARK IP to somewhere in the Americas and make a new Chinese exclusive IP.
B: Go defunct
C: Remarket ARK towards Chinses citizens (though if I recall, their Chinses community isn't their largest)
D: Move their HQ to SnailGames USA, which would be a process.

[unborn tundra]

imagine if snailgames didnt push ark 2 back another year, craaaaaazy idea

[desert swallow]

It would just be sold through WC would it not?

[stray elm]

Wildcard doesn't own ARK

[past wind]

You know there's the rest of the World, right?

If US congress really passes a law, they will handle it

but their market is more than US

[stray elm]

Yes, but the Americas is where their biggest marketing of video-games are.

[desert swallow]

They would find a loop hole for sure

This congressional law is dumb.

[past wind]

I believe there is a huge number of chinese playing ark

[past wind]

For Ark? I'm not so sure

[stray elm]

Not as large as their Spanish community, if I recall

[past wind]

I don't know, man. I don't have the numbers. But it's like tiktok. They will work through it

but that's just even worse for the whole picture

now there will be two policies, one for the US and another for the rest of the globe

In the end, we will need to see how things go for Ark 2

I'm still in, but have huge concerns right now. The paid mods isn't even the most important/relevant.

[blissful perch]

Idk, the paid mods is not a good signal. Not world ending, but it’s no bueno for folks like me who don’t enjoy official

[split dove]

best case would be them selling Wildcard and Ark to Microsoft or someone else

[past wind]

I don't see that happening. It's their main revenue. Just look the roadmap, they will monetize Ark as much as possible.

And it's not bad at principle, but the fact they just made a U-turn is what concerns me the most. I mean, Ark was supposed to get a gameplay soon...soon-ish and now there was a huge postponement. That raised a lot my concerns.

[split dove]

we won't even get anything this year aswel, only looks at assets like we currently got

[past wind]

Yeah, and that's frustrating to me.

[split dove]

i'm hoping it's not that far into next year when we finally see it and that the release isn't Q4

[past wind]

As of now, my hopes are on the floor.

[blissful perch]

It’s expected ark 2 is delayed - WC appears to still struggle to contain their scope

[past wind]

Maybe through this year I will get my hopes up again with ASA and other new info.

[blissful perch]

The snailgames move I dislike is all the money gathering steps along the way supporting the scope creep and implementing unsavory business

[past wind]

I wouldn't put everything on the investors. I mean, WC isn't complying with their deadlines. Maybe that's the only going forward.

And again, that's my view of things. Both the developer and their investors need to find a way. If WC needs more time, they will need additional flow of money.

[blissful perch]

Snail is the owner are they not?

[past wind]

Yeah, so?

They have a payroll. They reserved funds till X month and expect some money from Ark 2 sales. Sales are frustrated for this year. Can they stop paying WC payroll? No?! So they need another source of money.

[blissful perch]

Snail can force this

[past wind]

Yeah, beacause WC's devs also frustrated their expectations

In my point of view, both are culprits here. And that's fine. Let's move forward and see how this new strategy works.

[blissful perch]

The strategy is clearly that snail and WC believe ark 2 needing more time and up front investment will result in a genre defining super hit

[past wind]

Yeah, and still they need cash flow. Which made they change the strategy.

WC didn't deliver, now snail games probably demanded a change of course.

[blissful perch]

They likely don’t. They just need to release a product to get investment delivery after a major flop of a quarter for ark 2 progress

This is so snail can go to investors and say “see? We’re making stuff to sell so we’re still a good investment”

[past wind]

In another words, what I've said above, I guess.

[blissful perch]

Investors ≠ consumers in this case

[past wind]

I know

consumers are disapointed, as I am

but in the end, the investors are the ones giving them money to keep their business going while the game isn't ready

[blissful perch]

Correct. But the questionable monetization stuff doesn’t seem like it’s really there to attract savory investors

I think the product isn’t the issue so much as the business choices. It’s just not leaving a good impression

[past wind]

I think it is. They’ve probably demanded lower losses rates. One way is to raise income.

I doubt paid mods will pay for the system as a whole, but it helps.

[strange silo]

whens ark 2 coming out

[past wind]

2024

[blissful perch]

Higher ROI is obviously a good look lol, but it’s a big gamble to basically flip off your playerbase financially

[strange silo]

bruh it said 2023 💀

[past wind]

It changed 👍

[strange silo]

bruh wtf

[past wind]

I agree. Hence why I was disappointed after fridays announcement

But it is what it is. They didn’t deliver, things changed and we are here.

[strange silo]

bruh when do they deliver XD

[stray elm]

Get fucked

[blissful perch]

They do always deliver something at sometime

[past wind]

If they didn’t, I wouldn’t be a fan and wouldn’t be here talking about it.

[blissful perch]

I just want to talk game design but man has this been a wild ride of PR and business

[past wind]

Yeah. Like I’ve said before, their biggest problem is PR related.

Clearly they weren’t ready to announce ark 2 now, even less ready to present it on 2020

And still they kept promising new stuff

[blissful perch]

Yep. I don’t know how they’ve managed to consistently be wrong about what they can scope

[past wind]

Yeah, they have the info. They just made bad decisions. But, I’m looking forward and maybe I will be more confident when things start to happen.

[blissful perch]

How many years of them tho

I’ve got love in my heart for WC, and I think their work is visionary…but I really think they can do better about needing to hide in a bunker after every PR event because the news is always out of left field or promises something people can’t trust

[mint swan]

Snail Games is the issue, not entirely wildcard

[sweet sierra]

fuck it, since nobody else wants to say it, ill say it. wildcard has every right to release the game as is right now and keep working on it while we play the alpha version of the game. it would allow them to get feedback from a massive number of players, and allow us to figure out how we are going to break the game early on and give them a full lineup of bugs that they want to fix before full release. hell they could charge me 50-100 dollars to get alpha access and i would pay it right this second in order to play a game that i have been waiting for 3 years to play.

[mint swan]

I vote we all cancel snail games

[split dove]

we need to somehow get Microsoft to buy Wildcard and Ark

[mint swan]

That, or have snail games let wildcard be independent

[split dove]

will never happen, it's their only source of reliable income

[mint swan]

Wildcard as a company itself isn’t bad. They truly cared…sure deadlines weren’t met, but the quality of game was cared about much more

Since snail games acquisition though, the care for the game and its playerbase has gone down and down. It’s a money grab at this point

[split dove]

we're all 99% sure the remaster costing money was Snail games forcing them to bc their stock own was down

[split dove]

such is the sad reality of a corrupt publisher blackmailing the devs of it's only reliable income

[mint swan]

Oh for sure, 100%. Its truly sad because I don’t think many of wildcards employees agree with it, but not much they can do about it

[tame geode]

That made me gag. Microsoft would be even worse about money things. Look at Minecraft for example.

[fast isle]

☕️ 😌

I couldn’t have been any more correct

[blissful perch]

You have one full year to wait before that ☕️

I’ve been patient, and so can you

[fast isle]

End of 2024=2025

Idc when the release date is

I’m just saying i was right and these guys who doubted me were wrong

[blissful perch]

Oh shoot you right, let me change every calendar to read 2025 starting…which month?

Should we just lop September-December off?

[fast isle]

Wtf r u saying

[blissful perch]

Trying to find out how to round Q4 2024 to 2025

[fast isle]

What are you crying about bro

[odd holly]

He’s saying the end of 2024 could be sept to December ig

[fast isle]

End of 2024 is essentially 2025 start

Because it’s only a few months

[blissful perch]

I’m saying that’s bunk 😂

[fast isle]

Why are you pressed bro I wasn’t even talking to you

[limpid hull]

its wild card, probably 2025 Q2

[fast isle]

Tf 💀

[blissful perch]

I want a tasty I told you so

[fast isle]

Exactly

[blissful perch]

Doing it now is lazy

[fast isle]

I legit knew it was gonna be 2024-25

Cause who releases concept art when your game is supposed to release at the end of the year

[steady vale]

Yeah and you will see the price triple for the game and dlc

[fast isle]

Normally game devs show you in game assets and not concept art

[blissful perch]

(Surprise it’s wildcard - see genesis 2)

[fast isle]

I believe they focused on transferring ark 1 to UE5 rather than creating ark 2 as most people will stay on ark 1

I wouldn’t even mind staying on ark 1 as long as the bugs were fixed

[blissful perch]

I think they realized ark 2 with no backup is probably not safe, I’ll buy that

[fast isle]

And the maps like gen 2 need to be removed seriously

[blissful perch]

Temporarily they will be

[fast isle]

Tek transmitters and turrets and etc from drops

[blissful perch]

But I doubt any major balance is happening

[fast isle]

Idec abour ark 1 anymore I just quit it

No point even playing it

[blissful perch]

If they fixed the 20/20 mutation cap then balance would be back on the menu ig. But it looks like QoL and porting rather than any sort of larger set of changes

[fast isle]

Why would I play a game where I could go to a map with a free tek suit

With basically infinite weight

And I can farm 3k element in 30 minutes

And a full tek base with tek gear from drops

[blissful perch]

Why would I play a game that asks me to spend all day afk and/or farming for short moments of entertainment lol. Ark becomes boring to me at anything after I drop my fabi

[fast isle]

Literally removed the purpose of bosses Except for unlocking engrams

[blissful perch]

Which is why ark 2 having primitive only weapons seems hype

[fast isle]

And actual combat skills

Like dodging and parrying

[blissful perch]

I want Bob play to be the gameplay

[split dove]

i will take basicly anything over cookie clicker combat

[blissful perch]

Sick of the “oops I win because of my stat numbers” garbage

[fast isle]

First time I got hit with a net and tek rifle I just closed the game

Why would I even play against that bs

[blissful perch]

Imo error #1 is playing ark PvP

[fast isle]

Bro pve ain’t even fun like that bro

[blissful perch]

You no reg in singleplayer…how is there gonna be any sense of fair play on PvP servers lol

[fast isle]

Once u kill the bosses on single player it becomes so boring

[limpid hull]

mutate a maxed army of dodos

[blissful perch]

Alright vortex I’ll give you that Fahad’s take is insane

[fast isle]

Pretty sure on ps4 official servers there’s a mutated compy line

[split dove]

[fast isle]

Like really high level one

[blissful perch]

Willingly breeding random stuff to cap in PvE is the most psycho thing I’ve ever seen

[split dove]

makes sense, seeing as they already play official

[fast isle]

I’ve played every type of ark

Prim plus, official, smalls, unofficial, boosted, fiber craft,

I even played a Skyrim server where you pretend to be Skyrim people bro

I broke all the rules and killed everyone and was hastily banned

Worth it

[split dove]

i never got around to playing that ark avatar elemental bender mod lol, seems fun as a concept

[fast isle]

Oh yeah

Who snorted so much cocaine they thought of the noglin

“Yo let’s make a Dino that doesn’t get shot by turrets and can posses other peoples dinos and make them soak their own turrets”

[untold ingot]

No one's dinos get possessed though, and if they do they those people were bobs anyway lol

[past wind]

Sure they are super nice. But you know in the real World companies need money to run, right? Who do you think is funding WC?!

[modest charm]

maybe money i can relate to but you have to take consideration in the thousands and thousands of hours players have dedicated just for it to get shutdown

[past wind]

I get it, man. But, TBF, we all knew one day they would shut it down.

Or they would start charging monthly for the servers

[modest charm]

bro ark 2 is just ark 1 with better graphics

[past wind]

You mean ASA, no? Ark 2 is a different beast.

[modest charm]

asa mb

[past wind]

Anyways, I don't think they are wrong in shutting the servers down. Their mistake was saying they wouldn't do that.

If they were clear about it since the beginning, I wouldn't be concerned at all.

[modest charm]

ark 2 coming out in augudt right?

[past wind]

No

ASA is coming in august. Ark 2 is coming in the end of 2024.

[modest charm]

wth is asa

[past wind]

ASA is the Ark Remastered

[modest charm]

oh thats the shutdown right?

[past wind]

Yeah, they are shutting down Ark Survival Evolved servers. And will replace those for Ark Survival Ascended servers.

[modest charm]

so non dedicated will be saved?

[past wind]

Just official servers, of course. Unnofficials can keep Ark Survival Evolved servers on.

[past wind]

Non dedicated will be fine

[odd holly]

still waiting for that one guy to @ me saying it’s a April fool lmfao

[past wind]

the shutting down is just about Official Servers

[modest charm]

ok

i myself started a week ago

[past wind]

Won't happen

Now it's time to say it's snail games' fault

[odd holly]

yeah the guy was on copium

[past wind]

5 phases of grief

We are close to acceptance

[odd holly]

fr

[modest charm]

i hate mods in this game just plau it legitly

[odd holly]

It’s optional

[desert swallow]

S+ really exposes how bad some design choices are in base game.

[verbal wind]

some mods just add nice things to the game

like CKF adds better structures. taller, better snapping, and uses less polygons so less intensive on servers

i hate how vanilla walls are basically character height

[rare heart]

Ark additions

[verbal wind]

better dinos adds a lot of QoL things

[wintry cape]

It depends. There is an awful lot of balancing going on to make the game workable for all scenarios. Pulling items is great for SP and small tribes because a mix of efficiency and laziness, but it reduces reality and difficulty for large tribes and collaborative work

[rare heart]

I would like paleo ark if it just replaced the vanilla dinosaurs instead of just making them spawn side by side

[verbal wind]

dino storage is a FAR better alternative to cryopods

[wintry cape]

There are solutions you implement when faced with the extra constraints of carry weight and having to organise your items that you simply don't do when you have S+(cheatmode) enabled

[verbal wind]

transfer tools help so much too

[desert swallow]

cryopods made some areas that you could consider challenging trivial.

[wintry cape]

i love transfer tools, but it's cheaty :^)

Ark wouldn't be Ark if it wasn't extremely painful

[verbal wind]

i'd prefer a little cheaty to having to move 8000 metal ingots 400 at a time

[desert swallow]

Maybe in ark2 (to keep on topic and keep mods happy) they will make it so that the gigantapithecus can carry stuff from one container to another like S+ would do. Big opportunity missed here in ark 1.

[wintry cape]

has anyone tried Ark but with 1/10th official rates?

[desert swallow]

Have you played sons of the forest?

That sort of thing has been well received.

automating the busy work is a plus for gameplay

[wintry cape]

That does sound good. There is a lot of hindsight. Ark has such a big scope for a game it's simply not possible to balance everything perfectly first time round

[desert swallow]

Sure, and that's what I'm getting at with S+, it exposes those short comings even if it goes too far with somet hings.

[wintry cape]

Yeah but Ark servers grow and exist for literal years. Too easy and megatribes will just dominate even quicker than they already can

[verbal wind]

disable for pvp

[desert swallow]

I would bet those automations would make no difference in tribe progression at that level.

[wintry cape]

What about.... Hardcore mode on all official servers? No respawn, new character every time you die.

[verbal wind]

there would be nobody on official then

[wintry cape]

i bet there would

[verbal wind]

maybe like 5% of who would otherwise be there

[wintry cape]

good, then it frees up space for small tribes and solo players 🤣

[verbal wind]

lol

[wintry cape]

i bet megatribes would create some sort of bus system for rescuing their dead friends, they have to find them on the beach and invite to tribe and rapidly level up

i'm trying to think of the biggest pain in the ass, and i think people would find solutions to it

[mighty lion]

Why don't you pitch it to them? Sounds like they will have servers with select balance passes

[past wind]

There’s this mode already. Or there was. I’m not sure if they shutdown the hardcore servers.

It wasn’t popular

[potent hull]

bug your poop has lvl up lol

[split dove]

The playerbase was hardcore after all

[potent hull]

flbos your poop has lvl up lol

[short fulcrum]

Lol, IGN just released a video named "why arks next gen unreal engine 5 remaster is a f*** you to fans"

[short fulcrum]

Access inventory to apply it!

[potent hull]

lol

[potent hull]

i a hoping for griffins to be breeding in asa they sad more breeding dinso

[short fulcrum]

100%

[potent hull]

i am hop the griffins is one of them

[potent hull]

i a hoping for in sad of roof as floors make more floors they did say more build stuff yes

[west stream]

2024
Ark 2's release date window has been confirmed for the end of 2024. This was announced on the Ark forums by Studio Wildcard and is an 18-month delay from when the game was originally supposed to release, which was before July 2023. 😂🤣

Delayed again and again 🥳🎂

[scarlet hound]

it’s gonna atleast be insanely good if they waiting this long

[short fulcrum]

2024?
You have to much faith in wildcard
It's obviously releasing December 2026

[west stream]

3023 for sure 🙂

[potent hull]

well i no as of now we yous roof a floors what if they bearing floor that are flat like roof we you now in ark bearing them to asa

[stone cedar]

So both ark 2 and ark ascended are going to be crossplatform from Xbox, steam, and windows 10?

So steam players can play with Xbox?

[winged dome]

Yep

[stone cedar]

That’s low key amazing! With mods too

[winged dome]

Asc with Playstation too, so likely with Ark2 if PS gets it

[stone cedar]

Love it. I’m guessing they do away with the windows 10 version then

[winged dome]

Announcement seems to suggest keeping it

[mortal kestrel]

Ark 2 not looking good after snails games

[hard trellis]

I love how my predictions for Ark 2 release date is more and more close to the truth XD
(... I betted it would come out in September 2026 with a friend the first time it was announced)

[tropic crag]

You betted, huh? 😂

[prisma pike]

Bruising, I don't think this is an April fool's joke anymore...

[hard trellis]

Yes XD

I do hope I win that free hot cacao XD

[tropic crag]

Eyes on the CC on Friday, trust me

[prisma pike]

Hopefully

The silence is deafening though

[tropic crag]

It's been a good ride, listening to all the discord happening in the meantime. People laughing, people crying, people ranting, etc.

I'm just riding the lightning out here

[prisma pike]

I simply do not care, if it's delayed or whatever then I'll go focus on something else like monster hunter or Minecraft or whatever.

[tropic crag]

Same here tbh

[prisma pike]

Sunbreak comes out in like 3 weeks on Xbox so I'm boutta have a few weeks at least of stuff to do

[tropic crag]

We got TotK coming in May, and then Pikmin 4 in August, so I'm eatin good this year

[hard trellis]

I play Single Player so I don't care that much tbh
So same too? And I have my stuff to do for school anyways xd

[prisma pike]

Hopefully exoprimal is good on full release, beta was fun but got kinda stale after like 20 matches cause you can't customize anything, but there was customizations you unlocked in the beta, just couldn't use em.

[tropic crag]

Fair enough, school comes first my man, get that knowledge

[tropic crag]

Was not impressed with that game from the second I saw it, don't know what it was, but just shouted something I didn't like to me, somehow

Also not a fan of those types of games in general, so that didn't help

[hard trellis]

It's my end study work and I'm still asking myself why I choose an AR escape room instead of, Idk, the 2d puzzle/platformers co-op I thought about last year XD

[prisma pike]

Eh, one of the game modes is ass, the hammer one.

Other ones are fun tho

[tropic crag]

Wait, are you doing game dev as a school assignment? Do I got that right? Because if so, very cool indeed

[prisma pike]

The PvE stuff is way too easy as well

[hard trellis]

I do! ^^

[tropic crag]

That right there, s'why I hate those DmC type games, they don't challenge you at all (at least, ime)

[prisma pike]

I heard that they're making the PvE significantly harder. It was also only a beta, maybe there's more to it in the full release.

[tropic crag]

Hope so, but I definitely checked out unless the game changes drastically lol

[prisma pike]

Least it's on gamepass so you don't gotta pay to check

[tropic crag]

Fair enough, good point

[sharp marsh]

That is a good point, get to try it free 1st

[prisma pike]

I feel like most games that aren't at least on gp should have some sort of trial for them

[tropic crag]

Gamepass hath spoiled the modern gamer, tis true

[sharp marsh]

@tropic crag I dont think you might have been right thinking it was a joke - it is sinking in now at reality

I was hopeful tho 🙂 hehee

[prisma pike]

Tbh most gamepass titles are games that flopped and the company is desperate to pull a profit from it

[tropic crag]

You remember demo disks from Xbox Magazine? Loved those

[tropic crag]

Friday, mark my words

[prisma pike]

Remember that game disk rental service? I can't remember its name.

[sharp marsh]

Ill keep hoping till then 🙂 hehe If so Ill buy ya a 6 pack hehe

[tropic crag]

You mean redbox (🤮)?

[prisma pike]

No, they only mailed it to you and you mailed it back. Redbox was at like every Walmart in the country.

[tropic crag]

Oh, gamefly I think

[prisma pike]

Yeah I think that's it

I was like 9 when they were around geez

[tropic crag]

Always heard it was good, but never tried it, my buddy got a lot of free games when they went under heheheh

[prisma pike]

I only used it once when I had the flu for over a month and I ran outta stuff to play on the Wii lol

[tropic crag]

I did the same with Redbox, used it to get like some rinky dink game I can't remember (also on the Wii) and then returned it the next day and never used them again, as that was my introductory free game

My dad got this wack clown movie once, though. I thought it was a shitty indie sequel to Stephen King's It at the time, but it was in fact a standalone shitty indie movie sequel (the third, in fact) and I still think about it sometimes

[prisma pike]

It's kind of funny that you could pick up avatar back then and they just now released its sequel

[tropic crag]

Yeah, and Avatar was pretty cutting edge then too, but now not so much... the second one I've heard was pretty technologically impressive, though

[prisma pike]

I haven't watched the second one yet, still need to watch jw3 too. But I forget to when I want to.

[tropic crag]

I might see it this week, but also been forgetting tbh. JW3 was good, but not as good as 1 imo, ||and there's really no cool big bad like the indo's were in 1 & 2 iirc, the giga was cool but not indominus cool||

[prisma pike]

Well, I'm off to sleep, it's way too late for me to be sitting on discord. Goodnight my dude.

[tropic crag]

Night

Man, yeah it is late

[untold totem]

I like how this is the general chat while general became ARK 2 chat...ish

[tropic forge]

a house divided against itself cannot stand.

[mint swan]

@tropic crag thought it was an April fools joke? You were so adamant the rest of people were brain dead yet here we are 3 days later

[winged dome]

I am still surprised none of the devs have tweeted about the roadmap, not even Ark ASC or the Sabertooth reveal

[blissful perch]

Could be communications lockdown until the community gets a hold of themselves

[ripe marsh]

have they ever done that before?

[worldly garden]

If they are going to respond then it's going to take a while for the top dogs to decide on how to approach it before authorising any comms about it.

[winged dome]

Not even responding to the community, but just like ... promoting or showing it

[worldly garden]

Them promoting or showing ASA right now would be a very dumb move.

[ripe marsh]

Where they active when ark 2's details were revealed?

[winged dome]

I dunno - I don't use Twitter at all, just referring to the #766826918803800074 channel. They might have replied to others' tweets, but I don't care enough to actually go on Twitter and dig

[ripe marsh]

fair ig, I was just wondering if they ever went silent after a big news drop

[blissful perch]

Depends heavily on what the news is afaik

[tropic forge]

gotta wait until next cc to see whats true and whats not

[left arch]

it is simply such a big brain april fools joke we don't understand

[dusty dust]

well, see u in 2028

[ripe marsh]

Seems like the only option

[tropic forge]

aint a option really, either they gonna say it was a really bad joke ahead of time and they gonna give us the ark2 gameplay or most if not all will be confirm maybe explain more in detail and maybe informing us that ASA steam page is up cause is only 4 more months until august

dont thing they gonna go twitted weird msg or posting clueless memes

[split dove]

we do not plan to showcase any gameplay/screenshots/videos of ARK 2 this year; however, we intend to keep you informed and engaged in the development process by regularly showcasing more ARK 2 assets in the months ahead, leading to our gameplay reveal next year.
we ain't getting anything besides concept arts this year if it's real and no joke

[past wind]

wait 24h... wait monday... wait next CC... wait next next... wait next next next

get real peeps

It is what it is. I'm already looking forward.

[stray elm]

Yeah, I'd love to be proven wrong at this point. But Bruise just seems like their coping.

[rare heart]

“It is what it is”

Dinosaur game fans become addicted to waiting forever as games take lifetimes to make

[past wind]

That’s a way to face the facts. Better than creating factoids.

[desert swallow]

replace coping with trolling and you'd be right.

[chrome ibex]

i truthfully think releasing an unfinished product has become an industry standard and instead of pushing back a game and polishing it they just release something that simply just isnt ready to be played and it leads to bad stigma around the game. so props to the devs for trying to actually take time to make a complete full game upon release

[stray elm]

He's not trolling, he genuially thinks it's still an April fools joke.
I really, really, really hope it still is. But this all sounds realistic with SnailGame's

[desert swallow]

I was trolling earlier with the whole joke thing. They would have said so by now, and it doesn't read like an April fool's joke at all.

April Fool's jokes don't last for days after the fact.

[mellow abyss]

If it's an April fools then they should snap out of it soon because it's tanking their stock price

[pearl crater]

They already made an official response

It’s definitely not a joke. Basically said they didn’t realize how much work and resources for a next gen remake. So that’s why it’s not free.

I don’t know if I can post links in here but the link is on the ark Reddit

[stray elm]

DM?

[split dove]

you can also just copy the text and put it in here

[prisma pike]

Where?

[pearl crater]

We have been really excited to deliver an incredible ARK UE5 experience. Admittedly back in January we got ahead of ourselves at that time, as the scope of the project increased, we hadn't yet realized the full time, development resources, & costs needed to produce a complete next-generation remaster.

It’s on wccftech, they reached out to them for comment

[blissful perch]

“As the scope of the project increased”

😞 I know I’m not an expert but it’s been my mantra here for years

[potent hull]

you call me lol

i am her

[glass lagoon]

2024 lol

[unreal rover]

it’s gonna be atleast late 2024 if not 2025

the new ark remake won’t be fully released until midway thru 2024

[stuck haven]

Going to see full release of Star Citizen before Ark 2 at this rate....

[left arch]

Impossible

[wanton junco]

Half Life 3 before ark 2 mark my words

[left arch]

We can only hope

[wintry cape]

players just don't know how to be hardcore 😢

bring back extra lives, every player starts off with 5 lives and then they have a fair probability distribution of harvesting a new life once in a while. Something that isn't a grind but also can't really be farmed

just to bring things slightly back into the land of almost-sensible ideas

[winged dome]

Hardcore shouldn't have extra lives. Hardcore is hardcore

[past wind]

You will think you are hardcore until you die to a bug and loses evertyhing. 😂

[stray elm]

Yeah, that's probably why it died

[wintry cape]

I mean.. The countless silly ways I've died, the hours I've spent trying to retrieve a bag.. It's probably better to just kill me properly and be done with it 🤣

gets knocked out by a scorpion
wearing best flak with hp stats
worse than getting tranq bowed and thrown in jail 🥲

[radiant tiger]

Friendly reminder to not get ark 2 until they make the unreal engine update free

[sacred quail]

Gta 6 too lmao

[tropic crag]

Or until this coming Friday, where they'll announce it was a joke, as I've stated

[left arch]

nah man

it's definitely a real announcement

[wintry cape]

it's free with every purchase of Ark 2

or Ark 2 is free with every purchase of Ark 1.5

[radiant tiger]

Free.99

[left arch]

if they say it was a poorly done joke on friday then that's just them lying to save their image, it was definitely meant to be an actual announcement

[wintry cape]

best of both worlds

[radiant tiger]

It's not best of both worlds, and let's be real they are charging for both and making it a bundle

[wintry cape]

what concerns me is apparently SG is desperate to include microtransactions somewhere in the pipeline, that's just cancer

WC are the looking like the real professionals here who genuinely love their community

[tender cypress]

What’s the benefit of ark 2 except for better graphics?

[radiant tiger]

They gonna have to revoke it, SG is tanking rn because of this

Ark 2 is a different game ark 1.5 is better graphics+you have to rebuild everything

Rebuy*

[wintry cape]

UE5 engine will provide significant changes to how meshes are computed. There is so much more than graphics going on. Graphics are the last thing to worry about.

[tender cypress]

I just started ark like 3 months ago on official pve

[tender cypress]

Oh, Ty

[radiant tiger]

Get off official, it's shutting down

[wintry cape]

I'm not trying to say meshing will be impossible, hackers always find a way to hack. But simply moving to a new engine, and re-writing a lot of stuff from the ground up again will provide a much better experience.

[blissful perch]

I’m getting a bit worried that you’re not joking

[tender cypress]

Why exactly are they shutting down official?

[radiant tiger]

To force people to buy ark 1.5

[tender cypress]

Gotcha

[radiant tiger]

Snail games needs money, they thought this could work, but now their stocks are even worse

[blissful perch]

The honest answer is that officials for ark 1 and ASA likely can’t financially exist at the same time

And since ark 1 development is stopping and there’s no backwards compatibility…the story explains itself

[radiant tiger]

That's definitely also a huge part of it

[left arch]

yeah the servers cost a LOT so you can't have both games with servers, a way they could do it is keep some official servers on Ark 1 but heavily reduced numbers and have the rest of the server budget go to servers for 1.5
but it's an easier decision for them financially to just move all of it to 1.5

[wintry cape]

In engineering projects there are often things that get 'laid in concrete' early in the development process, some things that will work from day 1 to day 100 but when you start adding more stuff it starts revealing flaws in the original programming but unfortunately despite the fact the flaws have been revealed, it is often found that as time progresses it becomes exponentially hard to fix the original code because it breaks so many things further down the line

using 'but' twice in a sentence that is already too long
I love grammar but i have no shame

[left arch]

NO

[wintry cape]

NO

[tender cypress]

Better than losing official?

[blissful perch]

Monthly sub for what? Ark 1 officials?

[left arch]

don't even JOKE with me about that

[left arch]

is it really?????

[tender cypress]

Yes

[tender cypress]

Yes

[left arch]

nah man

[radiant tiger]

That's called playstation+

[tender cypress]

Ok ok ok lesson learned

[ocean dragon]

One question the remake the ark only can play the people to have ps5?

[wintry cape]

no! no! go away ark bot no! no! no! no! no! go away ark bot no! no! no! no! no! go away ark bot no! no! no! no! no! go away ark bot no! no! no! no! no! go away ark bot no! no! no! no! no! go away ark bot no! no! no! no! no! go away ark bot no! no! no! no! no! go away ark bot no! no! no! no! no! go away ark bot no! no! no! no! no! go away ark bot no! no! no! no! no! go away ark bot no! no! no!

[tender cypress]

…

[left arch]

calm down

[blissful perch]

A subscription does make the most sense

[wintry cape]

SnailGames detected

[radiant tiger]

We already bought the game+ DLCs we aren't paying monthly service

[blissful perch]

However, as seen by reee, it probably won’t work

[radiant tiger]

Or we just play on unofficial like civil people

[left arch]

true

[blissful perch]

Officials cost WC money. I’d rather my money (as a not official player) not go to supporting servers I don’t use

[wintry cape]

financially BUT all subscription games are pure evil so a big fat NO by default

[blissful perch]

I’d love it if official players paid a subscription for the additional service they desire and make use of

[tender cypress]

Nooooo I meant monthly subscription to official servers, not the whole game

[tropic crag]

I'm not

[radiant tiger]

I'd rather have them burn it on official servers than be able to use it to continuously lie about what comes next for more money

[blissful perch]

I also meant for official servers

[wintry cape]

mobile "games" are the worst thing in the world. They are INCREDIBLY financially successful but they are all extremely disgusting

[ocean dragon]

???

[blissful perch]

That’s microtransactions

[blissful perch]

Nobody knows

[radiant tiger]

Only pc and next gen

Ps5 release comes out after pc and Xbox tho

Unless they lying about that 2

[wintry cape]

And that's where the money is. Seriously. The money from mobile games blows ALL Triple-A pc games out of the water

but it's pure evil

[blissful perch]

But great games like RS have subscriptions and it makes sense…you’re paying for ongoing support and development over time

[wintry cape]

it's not what gaming is

[tender cypress]

Clash of clans 🙂

[blissful perch]

P2W and microtransactions are entirely separate from a basic subscription service

[tender cypress]

ahem ark mobile

[radiant tiger]

If I have to continuously pay to play a game then that's a problem for me, it racks up

[wintry cape]

rAiD sHaDoW lEgEnDs!!11!!111!! - The game no one ever plays but has enough cash to burn on 1 billion youtube adverts

[tender cypress]

What’s that game

[wintry cape]

I liked ark mobile if it wasn't for the fact it was touch screen nonsense

[tender cypress]

World of Warcraft!!

[tender cypress]

I hated it…

Deleted it after a day

[radiant tiger]

Never really played WoW

[tender cypress]

Ur loss

[blissful perch]

The point is that you’re paying for a higher quality service than you’d get for it being free

[radiant tiger]

Yeah and ark isn't going to be higher quality

[blissful perch]

Right now ALL ark sales subsidize official servers. Everyone who doesn’t play official has their money partly “wasted” supporting a service they never use

[tender cypress]

I’m a highschool student, I’m broke

[radiant tiger]

In this scenario

[tender cypress]

Barely got ark 1

and I got it 75 percent off so I could get gen 1/2

[wintry cape]

The best game in the world. You can buy champions which allows you to access something and something happens but it might get difficult and boring but there is computer technology, ONE CLICK TECH, you can buy upgrades to your champions to make them all kick ass again in less time that it takes to think, "wTf am i doing with my bank account right now?"

[tropic crag]

No shit, if you aren't paying for moderation, of course you aren't going to get higher quality servers

[tender cypress]

Sounds like something worth spending my money on!!

[blissful perch]

The subscription for current ark official servers would die instantly because official servers are extremely low quality

[wintry cape]

please take my money!

[radiant tiger]

I mean even if everyone playing ark is paying a subscription to keep official servers running they won't update it to be better

[tender cypress]

Yea but people have spent years building

[blissful perch]

You’d need substantial increases to performance, stability, and moderation to make it attractive

[wintry cape]

and my grandmother's money!

[blissful perch]

They can download the saves if they want them

[tender cypress]

And your future kids

[tender cypress]

Not the same tho…

[radiant tiger]

Unless u on ps4 or Xbox, you can't download saves then

[wintry cape]

I cannot understate how financially lucrative microtransactions are

[blissful perch]

Everyone who played ark official should have been aware that this day was coming eventually

[tropic crag]

Except you can

[blissful perch]

An indie game almost always has a sunset date for their active service

[tender cypress]

In my defense, I just started a couple months ago and didn’t know this would happen

[radiant tiger]

Ark isn't exactly what I would call indie

[blissful perch]

So you likely have little to lose too

[tender cypress]

Wanna donate to an amazing charity?

[blissful perch]

Ark 1? It’s one of the largest indie titles on steam

Hard to say ark 2 is going to be defined as an indie product, but ark 1 certainly is an indie game

[tender cypress]

Like for example funds for FireSlayer to buy ark 2 and 1.5 🙂

[radiant tiger]

Omg just looked it up, 35 employees at wildcard?!

[tender cypress]

What’s an indie title?

[tender cypress]

Become the 36th

[radiant tiger]

Indie games are just games made by small companies

[tender cypress]

Gotcha

[wintry cape]

The ark community need to be aware of what microtransactions are and be ready to resist it. It's so fucking evil

"just because you can doesn't mean you should" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[blissful perch]

How is that relevant

Dollie confirmed they’d never come to ark 2

[tender cypress]

Since they are shutting down official anyways… wanna carry me thru some boss fights 🙂

[radiant tiger]

We need to convince congress that snail games is stealing info, lawyer fees in the US will put them under

[tame geode]

They already mentioned a "skins" tab could be for organization, but also microtransactions.

[radiant tiger]

I don't play official anymore

[tender cypress]

Yes you should, that’s why you can

[wintry cape]

is that a "fact" you heard from social media. I think we all know how social media "facts" work out super-smug.gif

[radiant tiger]

Go onto gen2 and get a bunch of poly then just tranfer around asking people if you can buy a boss fight from then

[tender cypress]

[blissful perch]

It’s a message from this chat. You can search for it

[tender cypress]

Who’s the owner of wc?

[wintry cape]

This chat? The last bastion of truth. Please do forgive me, m'lord

[radiant tiger]

The ceo or the company?

[tender cypress]

Both

[radiant tiger]

Ceo is Doug Kennedy and wildcard is owned by Snail Games

[wintry cape]

Are the contract details public?

[tender cypress]

And who owns that company? 👀

[radiant tiger]

Idk

Jim tsai

[tame geode]

Probably Tencet, jk.

[wintry cape]

has anyone looked at the SEC filings or listened to any financial reports?

[blissful perch]

Not sure why this sounds sarcastic. Dollie is a WC employee stating that microtransactions will not be a part of ark 2

[radiant tiger]

Jim Tsai owns snail games, also committed a bunch of crimes because of ark lol

[blissful perch]

Not sure how much more official you can get on WC’s stance

[desert swallow]

To be fair, WC employees have said things before only for it to not be true later.

[wintry cape]

It sounds sarcastic because it was meant to be very sarcastic

[blissful perch]

A stance ≠ a promise, and usually the stance is honest

[tame geode]

Sure, but it's hard to take what they say on social media seriously after the Stieglitz fiasco.

[radiant tiger]

Wildcard seems to be honest until snail games gets involves