ark-2

[fallow niche]

I'll fite u

[split dove]

[mint swan]

I hope there's more exotic alien creatures with cool taming methods

[winged dome]

Nah, salad-mander is bae

[split dove]

bring it on bee

[split dove]

yummy alien salad lizard

[fallow niche]

I admit this name is definitely growing on me 😂 saladmander

[winged dome]

If we still have Helena and her awful puns, I can almost guarantee Saladmander will be its official name

[fallow niche]

I'll end up calling it that forever wdym

[untold ingot]

I'm pretty certain brontos were real lol

[oak atlas]

@untold ingot No they weren't. In the 19th century Brontosaurus was named a genus based on an Apatosaurus skeleton and a Camarasaurus skull which were mistaken as a new genus, when in reality they were two seperate animals that had died in the same area. The mistake was quickly realised but by then the name "Brontosaurus" had stuck with the public and people to this day still think Brontosaurus was a real animal.

[untold ingot]

Hmm, I just looked that up and, yeah I guess so

But the creature itself exists, it's just a wrong name

[craggy spruce]

god i wish they werent insisting on dark souls like combat its going to suck not having free combat like ark 1

[untold ingot]

Skill issue

[oak atlas]

@craggy spruce I've never played Dark Souls, what sort of combat is that?

[untold ingot]

Think conan

[split dove]

More skill based with combos

[untold ingot]

Its basically just an upscaled version of any melee combat game

[split dove]

If we were gonna have ark 1 combat again I would vomit.

[craggy spruce]

naw any survival game that use dark souls combat dies rly quick it just aint fun esp for pvp clunky and slow

[untold ingot]

Name one that uses souls combat?

[craggy spruce]

conan exiles

[untold ingot]

Also, they never said it uses dark souls combat. Only that it uses souls like. There is a pretty significant difference

Conan flopped because of a lack of content in the game, and very clunky mechanics regarding "tames" and npcs.

Give me another example

[craggy spruce]

iunno look for some many out there but they have all dies and been forgoten

just aint a playstyle suited for a open world survival game

[fallow niche]

As long as it doesn't get too complicated, I'm happy with stuff other than left click spam

[winged dome]

What does souls-like even mean? Lock-ons? Stamina based attacks? Rolling?

There's a lot that can be adjusted and still be considered 'souls-like'

[oak atlas]

@untold ingot I think AC: Valhalla tried something like that with the bosses in that game, and I have to say I wasn't a fan
I mean, it was playable but it was just really irritating and clunky

[craggy spruce]

An emphasis on ‘Souls-like’ melee combat driven by player skill, with target-lock, blocks, dodges, combos, staggers, and special attacks.

[winged dome]

So saying a blanket statement that souls-like is bad for open world is a pretty weak argument when Elden Ring did so well

[craggy spruce]

thats a single player game

[winged dome]

But it's not though

[craggy spruce]

ark is multi open world with pvp

[winged dome]

Invasions and PvP

The only difference is base building and always online for PvP

And tames I guess

Torrent doesn't count

[oak atlas]

I hope Ark II has more dynamic AI for the creatures, make them a bit more interesting in their behaviour

[winged dome]

Supposedly they'll be able to hunt and track you via sound and scent, so stealth will actually be a thing

[vapid panther]

Making combat too difficult and keeping a skill tree puts a hard cap on end game abilities that some people can never achieve. More styles/ action in combat is great... but not everyone plays PVP exclusively so game balance becomes an issue.

[untold ingot]

Game balance is more of an issue in pvp. But sure

Ark isn't meant for everyone.

[vapid panther]

That may be why they are doing Ark 1 in UE5.

[untold ingot]

Uh, what

Ue5 is just a game engine. It won't change gameplay or anything

It won't balance the game

[vapid panther]

I meant game balance between PVP and PVE. They cant make two separate engines. All games have to make a choice

[craggy spruce]

to be fair if they keep working on ark 1 and eliminate duping etc and give it UE5 its probably going to be more pupular then ark 2 still just cus of the combat decision but thats just my prediction

[vapid panther]

They may have decided that difficult combat is the way to go. So make Ark 1 look better for the people who want to stay with the old combat.

[untold ingot]

Engines don't affect game balance though lol

[craggy spruce]

engine affect how the game runs

wich can change combat

less lagg etc

[vapid panther]

how to I phrase this different. Ark 1 will be the easier game balance. Ark 2 will be the tougher combat.

[untold ingot]

That's not the engine though. That is game differences.

There will probably be settings to make ark2 easy if that is what you want

[vapid panther]

There will alway be some PVP that think its too easy. And some PVE that think its too hard. Where do they find the balance? We dont even know how much character combat will play a role.

[winged dome]

I mean, any combat is tougher than cookie clicker spam like Ark1 😂

[vapid panther]

Im talking official. Single player/ unofficial/ Mods are a completely different game.

[craggy spruce]

its not about how easy or hard it is its about how fluid the combat is in large scale battles

[untold ingot]

If you want to stay with ark1, stay with it. Ark2 is going to be a different game, with loads of improvements on ark1 mechanica

[vapid panther]

they'd loose a large part of their base if they ignore the people who've been around 5+ yrs. I suck at combat so I expect to end up on a private server. but i dont want the game to cater to a small group and end up with a limited gamestyles

[untold ingot]

Like ark1 currently does?

[craggy spruce]

thats whats going to happen if they go forward and the playerbase they have had since 2015 will remain with ark 1

[winged dome]

There's still probably going to be PvE servers

But, I will never play official 😂
PvP or PvE, y'all toxic MFers

[vapid panther]

Official has gone down a lot in the last few years. They opened it up to 'non-Ark' players when they started uping the rates and having overpowered tames/ gear.

I'll play official thru once. Just cause I admire Ark 1. But Im aging out of 1st person combat games so mods and private servers will become the norm.

[craggy spruce]

the overpowered tames are their own fault ofc it cant be that hard to fix the mutation limit so they can no longer bypass the 20/20 limit

[vapid panther]

Im curious if there is even an endgame to Ark2. Did Rockwell survive the crash? Are the Aratai more advanced than they appear? Are there Arat Bosses? Gonna be fun figuring it all out.

[untold ingot]

It's not hard. It is too late to do that for ark1 though

[craggy spruce]

they have had plenty of times to fix it and give another wipe every1 would appriciate another fresh start considering how stale it is

should have been yearly wipes from the start with some server with no wipe

[vapid panther]

I like Immersive Taming and the new ways to tame dinos. Im looking forward to these world events that i feel will be totally new ways to tame/ acquire dinos. And hopefully, they cap em all. Bring strategy and choices to the game

[oak atlas]

I hope Rockwell is gone, it seemed like his story wrapped up neatly with Helena. It'd be cool if Santiago became corrupted by element or something

Idk

[vapid panther]

the Arat version of element. I think we played out element.

[vapid panther]

Maybe Santiago gets power hungry and Meeka needs allies to stop him.

[craggy spruce]

dont be silly santiago would never give up on family

[vapid panther]

True. went to far with that scenario!

[oak atlas]

@vapid panther Yeah, it'd be interesting to follow Santiago for most of the game only for him to then become corrupted. But I don't think he should die, he just needs to be rescued, or maybe he sacrifices himself to end the corruption or somethign

@craggy spruce Of course, how could I be so foolish

[untold ingot]

That change would also happen on pve as well as pvp. And a full scale wipe on official would completely kill it

[past wind]

Oh boy, people complained about ark’s combat system for 7 years. Now they want them to keep it… that’s crazy

Ark 1’s combat is shit. I will be happy if they totally change it.

Character movement is also shit. Im glad they will work on both

We might have more interesting bosses and ascensions this way

Also better missions

[untold ingot]

Yeah, the game will vastly improve with overhauls to movement and combat

[craggy spruce]

not at all ppl generaly fall off once servers are too much built up fresh wipes always revives the game for a while before its back to the same stale fully built servers again

wipes more often = more activity

[untold ingot]

Not really

See, I have been following population trends on ark for awhile, and the population is much more stable on no wipe servers

[vapid panther]

An Alpha tribe rendering their bases does not equate to a stable active population

[craggy spruce]

ive played since 2014 beta this is not true at all its always full of activity every time the servers have wiped

there are always more ppl playing after a wipe when every1 is on equal footing

[vapid panther]

Its great after a wipe when everyone is scrambling to get a base built and a few tames to hold off raiders. And i agree, with the rates nowadays, that only lasts a short while.

[craggy spruce]

turn gathering back to original 1x but leave taming at x2

[vapid panther]

Maybe the Aratai will be an ingame version of a wipe... they make raids once in a while that level all the bases! Or maybe the new spider spreads a plague

[untold ingot]

There's not it just seems that way

[craggy spruce]

no

[untold ingot]

Official has thousands of players, spread over thousands of servers

Unofficials have the same groups of people switching between a bunch of them

[craggy spruce]

if wc announced another official wipe tomorrow the numbers would triple if not more u cant argue on this

[untold ingot]

Unofficials have lots at the start, but those numbers very quickly fall. And it doesn't really come close to official numbers

[craggy spruce]

its how fresh goes

[untold ingot]

For a week, or two

Then it would die back down to normal levels

And on pve it would probably die off completely

[vapid panther]

There's still a lot of speculation on how the world will be presented. It might be one big map for PVP and PVE combined. That would affect if/ when they could even do a wipe. I'd rather they keep rates down and cap stats then the need for wipes goes down a fair amount.

[oak atlas]

@untold ingot The population of unofficial servers depends on the server, they're all different. There are some unofficials with amazing populations because of how they're set up, and some are just dead.

[untold ingot]

Their population is concentrated, not large lol

[lime flicker]

A lot of people might dislike this but I hope server transfer for Dino’s isn’t a feature

[south lance]

fair

as long as tamed dinos are viable against bred dinos

preventing people from showing up immediately with 300 dinos is a good thing imo

it forces a way too hardcore 24/7 playstyle

[lime forge]

I dislike tf out of this

Personally I’m hoping server transfers aren’t much of a needed thing In Ark 2.

I’d rather 1 map that gets added to with dlc.

Instead of the 1 server= 1 map we currently have.

[lime flicker]

I only say it because… when me and my brother started ark, it did t matter the server, everyone had wyverns and the best Dino’s, come to find out later people were selling Dino’s on eBay through server transfer, even if we kill their Dino’s, you can buy a better one in 10 mins

[lime forge]

I don’t like the idea of leaving my favorite tames behind when switching servers. We should be able to go to a map, tame what we want and bring it home.

[verbal wind]

id rather not have to restart everything just for switching to a new map

[stray elm]

I think the way they have it now is best, but increase it by like 8-months to a year before allowing transfers.

[verbal wind]

just disallow it for pvp

[untold ingot]

Transfers are necessary for pvp imo

[haughty ore]

I really hope that for modular gear they just don't mean items like tools but more like armor

[worldly garden]

Roadmap coming on 31st March, not long to wait to see what ARK 2 stuff is on it. 🥳

[covert tapir]

you are stealing my jokes mister

[ripe marsh]

the roadmap is real

[untold ingot]

Road map

[covert tapir]

damn they really do it 31st march cant believe it

[untold ingot]

I mean, it's pretty funny imo

[ionic meteor]

Mark your calendars March 31st for the roadmap!

I'm glad he clarified that bit

[untold ingot]

It's only 12 days

[ionic meteor]

roadmap drops on april fools for me 😂

[untold ingot]

That's pretty funny

[tropic crag]

I hope they pull the most devious of licks possible and just don't post anything until all the crybabies are good and fuming

[haughty ore]

Knowing WC they will drop it as late as possible, so yeah on the last day of the month

[ionic meteor]

Thats weird, for a roadmap I expected it to drop earlier seeing as its a 'roadmap' but this makes me feel like its gonna be massive.

[worldly garden]

It's going to be pretty juicy. 👀

[tropic crag]

Oh for sure

[haughty ore]

I didn't even see that tweet. What do you know, last day of the month

[astral token]

☠️☠️☠️

[covert tapir]

31st march 11:59:59

[lime forge]

The sad part here, is that even if you’re wrong it’s not gonna be by more than a few hours.

[astral token]

In my country it’ll be 1st Apr by the time crunch drops

Anyway beyond like GMT+2 will get April fool crunch

[lime forge]

Ohio isn’t a country it’s a state

[stray elm]

My question is, why the fuck are they preparing this hard for just a roadmap?

[haughty ore]

Because they're giving us a release date that'll get delayed once we get close to it

[stray elm]

Like, I'm getting Dino-Discovery 2.0 vibes.
Have a countdown for an event, just to then have another countdown....
Like, I could totally not be seeing it, but that feels pointless

[worldly garden]

Because it's gonna be big with some surprises! 😆 I got a feeling the Animated series won't be far behind it either.

[stray elm]

Okay, but we roughly already know what's in store.
Animated-series, UE5 update, rest of Switch DLC's, and ARK-2.
I don't see anything else, since I feel like that'd be straining the studio at that point. All that's left are release dates for these.

So.....it's not really a surprise if we get release dates for these?

(unless the surprise is another delay. But even then, that's not a surprise)

[worldly garden]

👀

[stray elm]

What?

[lime forge]

The delay isn’t gonna be much of a surprise at this point

[covert tapir]

its either gonna be like : ark animated series, watch now

or ark 1 ue5 download now

if they prepare that much

otherwise i dont really see the point

[astral token]

I doubt

[untold totem]

that actually will proven their point lol

[ionic meteor]

ARK Roadmap predictions:
*- ARK UE5 release date.

• Rhyniognatha release date.
• ARK TSOTF Crossplay Info (confirmed).
• ARK TSOTF New content? (New map, New creatures).
• Nintendo Switch DLC release dates.
• ARK Animated series platform?
• ARK Animated series season 1 release date.
• ARK Animated series season 2 release date.
• ARK 2 Gameplay reveal date.
• ARK 2 release date.*

Here's all my predictions and things that could possibly appear on the roadmap.

Keep in mind that some of these might appear in the form of a release window rather than an exact official date.

[covert tapir]

thats the same as saying" something will be revealed"

[ionic meteor]

These are just predictions after all, and I forgot to mention there's literally no chance they'll put all of this on the roadmap I'm lowering my expectations and think they might address like 3 or 5 of these.

[lime forge]

Ark 2 gameplay-Coming Soon!
Ark 2 Release Date-TBD

[lime forge]

They did say it would cover the entire franchise

[ionic meteor]

Yes they might do this but at least they address it lol.

[lime forge]

I s2g I’ll go ballistic

[worldly garden]

I don't think Switch will be included. Grove Street always make it clear that they announce stuff themselves first, and they've already said generally when the maps are coming this past week.

I guess they could possibly include it, but not sure.

[ionic meteor]

Idk just thought they might include it just to fill it up with content, them saying that they'll have SOTF crossplay info on the roadmap suggests thats the case.

[haughty ore]

Yeah that gameplay they said they would show back in November has yet to be seen

[split dove]

it's almost like that would be the next thing they were gonna show originally, you know until they decided to share more stuff instead bc the crybabies were crying again for new stuff

[haughty ore]

I feel they delayed showing gameplay because of the backlash from 3rd person only. Now they're working on changing it, either that or they're just behind as hell

[split dove]

they already said people can add back first person with mods, so i highly doubt they're adding first person back themselves bc a few people don't like it and don't want change. ''let's change the whole game design for TPO bc some people cry and moan about it, even when they can use mods for first person''

[haughty ore]

Don't think they'd allow mods on official or whatever system Ark 2 has of it

[split dove]

not on official servers, but with mods coming to consoles i think official will become even more of a minority over time.

[lime forge]

The third person only isn’t new information. We’ve known that long before anything else.

[split dove]

funny how some people think they delayed it to change TPO, when that was only just revealed with the steam page and delay to this year itself in June 2022 🤣

[lime forge]

Only people who think they would delay to add 1st person are people who have a opposed 3rd person only since it was announced. Everyone else knows it’s another delay because it’s WildCard.

[covert tapir]

ngl id love first person only on foot at least

i cant really imagine being jumpscared in 3rd person

or running away from something

it just doesnt have the same vibe

[ionic meteor]

While this actually happened to some games I know (Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice league for example) I don't think it'll the case with ARK 2, like any other sequel in any other games it has to be different from the first.

[split dove]

a small price to pay for improvement

[haughty ore]

I dont mind 3rd person but i would honestly like to shoot guns (if they even have them) or bows first person. I dont know about 3rd person shooting/ranged

[ionic meteor]

Yall need to chill out and be thankfull they're not completely ruining the game like adding microtransactions, battlepass.

[haughty ore]

and seeing your actual gloves you've equipped in 1st person was always dope

dont give them ideas

[split dove]

Wildcard W

if it weren't for Wildcards stance against microtransactions and NFT's Snail games would've made them add microtransactions to Ark 1 and Ark 2

[ionic meteor]

They're not greedy like some game companies I know (I'm looking at you rocksteady games).

[split dove]

introducing the ark battle pass, unlock your new rex within the 2 month period or buy it for $29.99 - EA if they were in charge of Ark

you know it would definitely happen if one of those companies was in charge

[ionic meteor]

Of course they would cause they gotta pay for their massive dev teams.

[worldly garden]

Imagine buying a Rex for $29.99 and it instantly gets deleted by the Mesh. 🤣

[ionic meteor]

Thats worse than constantly getting killed by the same dino over and over again trying to get your loot back.

[split dove]

that's without the skin bundle that adds a costume, saddle skin and a rex tooth sword for an additional $15.99

[ionic meteor]

Third-person-only or this.

[blissful perch]

rajang. refuses to elaborate

[covert tapir]

thats like saying we should be thankful they implement dinosaurs tf

stop lowering your damn bar

[covert tapir]

is that a monster hunter thing

[split dove]

your dodo doesn't move, mine does. the bar on dodos is so low on your end

[blissful perch]

Ark 2 needs to add special music to certain apex predators

I want to hear my death chasing me down and I want to be grooving

[split dove]

just play a horror esc music track

[covert tapir]

you spend money on a moving dodo?

[ionic meteor]

That would be a nightmare for gareth coker lol.

[covert tapir]

why cant ark 2 make you spend money to tame a dodo

[split dove]

better than one that doesn't

[covert tapir]

pick a side flobs

[split dove]

i have, i would spend money on Ark 2 if it was out already

[blissful perch]

I think he’d have fun 😂

[split dove]

let the man cook some horror tracks for when you get chased down by a rex

[blissful perch]

Listen to Rajang’s theme and it makes more sense

[ionic meteor]

They actually talked about this idea during the pax west stream.

[blissful perch]

I saw the whole thing and tbh forgot it was mentioned

I seem to recall Coker being like “wait no pls”

[ionic meteor]

Coker almost had jeremy slip up on how many dinos are in ARK2 too.

[blissful perch]

I heard about 60 🧠

[split dove]

[ionic meteor]

He said a lot I think? but based on what he said it looks like early access will have less.

[blissful perch]

He said we have “si-“ or so planned

Sounded to me like he cut himself off saying 60 somethin

[covert tapir]

i hope early acces doesnt have a lot i like weekly updates

no matter how buggy they are

[ionic meteor]

he did? lmao

[covert tapir]

six?

[split dove]

we don't want ark 1 ''raptor clones with different model and sounds'' again

[blissful perch]

Weekly updates work with janky ark 1…id expect semi annual or MAYBE quarterly updates

[covert tapir]

xd

[ionic meteor]

it could be either 16 or 60 or.. 6 💀

[covert tapir]

how many did ark early acces has?

[split dove]

30 at launch?

[blissful perch]

Given we’ve seen concept art and trailers for I believe more than 6 I think it’s higher lol

[covert tapir]

so many 😮

[blissful perch]

Ark’s original roster was around 20

It expanded extremely quickly though

[covert tapir]

well we know more than 6 creatures

so i guess 60 in the beginning is a big number

but with a giant map comes a giant amount of creatures

hopefully

[blissful perch]

I’m fine with 60 high quality creatures if that’s the number. Especially since 1 may be the Aratai and that’s a BIG add

[pearl tangle]

Yay the ark 2023 roadmap is coming soon

its coming march 31 specifically

[lime forge]

I’m most curious about why the 31st

Why not now

[pearl tangle]

They want us to be disappointed

[past wind]

I’ve called it

[pearl tangle]

and on march 31 for them its April 1st

so if ark 2 isn't on there it will be an April fool

[past wind]

It’s supposed to cover the whole franchise

But it’s not certain how much info we will get

[pearl tangle]

Yeah it says 2023

[past wind]

But I hope it will be a comprehensive roadmap

[pearl tangle]

ark 2 might come out in 2024😢

Prob. Not tho

[past wind]

I don’t believe so

It’s an early access title

There’s no reason to postpone again

[pearl tangle]

Yeah but wildcard has the Ryniognatha update they have to make

Whatever well wait and see

[split dove]

the Ryniognatha and UE5 update are being done by the ark 1 team, wich normally shouldn't hold back the Ark 2 team.

[rare heart]

Ark updates till official launch will probably be a lot slower if it is a more content filled/better made games

I remember ark 1 was just machine gunning everything out

Id assume they will be bigger but slower

[split dove]

considering most dinos added in ark 1s early access period were just ''raptor clones with different model and sounds'' and could be swapped out with every other ''clone'', and seeing as the dino ai will be more complex, the new location based dmg overlays and dinos hopefully having more unique attacks it will/should normally not be as fast as ark 1 creature drops. it should be bigger but slower, as we'd likely all want quality over quantity compared to ark 1 machine gunning them out during early access.

For creature-scale combat, suffice it to say for now that when you attack something with your T-Rex in ARK 2, the results are visceral: the animation of the attack actually hard-impacts on the target (not “passing through” it), the victim’s flesh is torn, and the target physically reacts at that location to the hit

[rare heart]

As it should be

Static attacks are so immersion breaking in a dinosaur game

[ripe marsh]

First time fighting nerg, his dive bomb was scary

[rare heart]

Ye

If dinosaurs function like open world monster hunter + that combat if they could pull it off would be peak

[rare heart]

Theyd have to be harder than monster hunter if you could tame them xd

[ripe cedar]

Monster hunter rarely works well when fighting more than 1 or 2 things at a time

[sacred quail]

what in tarnation is a roadmap

[split dove]

a roadmap is a game developer's way of letting players know of planned content down the road. This may contain dates/release windows for stuff like gameplay, more reveals and release. and this roadmap is gonna cover Ark 1, Ark 2 and the animated series.

[sacred quail]

ohhh alright, I hope they reveal something good

[split dove]

seeing as they did reveals every 4 weeks from January to February, while this month we've gotten new stuff every 2 weeks, first was the weapon modding tease, this saturday was the Spider and in 2 weeks the roadmap.

[rare heart]

Ye because its meant to be constant boss fights centered around just player to monsters

When you add open world into the equation, note that the ai doesnt have to necessarily deal with restricting map borders. Also since its more or less an ecosystem now creatures will be forced to interact with eachother dynamically

Monster hunter doesnt need that because its worlds arent really worlds, just aesthetically pleasing arenas

It also doesnt need to have that dynamic interaction between ai to be fun either (it does but its lacking)

Actual ark 2 bosses should def function similar to elden ring or i guess monster hunter monsters

Actual over world animals need to be entirely new and defining if the game is supposed to function like how its steam page says it does

[turbid scaffold]

add tamable ants if intrested ping me

[pine inlet]

If You Add Massive Ridable Ants Please Ping Me!

[desert swallow]

I'm predicting the ark roadmap will be out March 31st

Taking bets now

[pine inlet]

okay

[split dove]

i'm betting 2 waffles on it, one has frosted flakes on it

[pine inlet]

26981 dollars mate

[desert swallow]

check @jeremystieglitz on twitter

May be old news, but first I'm seeing it

[untold ingot]

I mean, it is old news lol

[split dove]

#766826918803800074 also has the message for people wanting to stick to the discord

[past wind]

You are predicting something already confirmed by Jeremy? Or you are implying the risk they don't comply with Jeremy's statement is high, but this time they will be able to?

I mean, this time I believe they are more cautious on what they publish (except the UE5 meme).

[blissful perch]

I think ark 2 could be like this

[covert tapir]

im interested to see how fighting a pack of raptors with your own pack works

cause 6 creatures soulsliking at the same time sounds kinda costly

[blissful perch]

it depends a lot on how the AI operates

I'm very curious if wild creatures can use senses on other wild and tamed creatures...or just players

[covert tapir]

i wouldnt be suprised if its just players but i want it to be for all

tho that would mean every creature rendered needs lots of power

to operate correctly

[split dove]

For creature-scale combat, suffice it to say for now that when you attack something with your T-Rex in ARK 2, the results are visceral: the animation of the attack actually hard-impacts on the target (not “passing through” it), the victim’s flesh is torn, and the target physically reacts at that location to the hit. all to convey the feeling of the raw power of such a ferocious creature!
seems to only be players that get souls like combat

[covert tapir]

my english is too bad for last sentence, so it only matters where the player is hit?

i get that right?

[split dove]

wdym, this is about the dinos

[covert tapir]

" seems to be only on players"

oh thats what you wrote i guess

[split dove]

i meant souls like combat

[covert tapir]

you know you confuse me everytime you write something xd

#waffles

[split dove]

not my fault you stupid

[untold ingot]

I want rexes to do barrel rolls though

[blissful perch]

I'm not so sure this refers to how the mounted combat mechanics will feel

specifically if mounted combat is based on combos and light/heavy attacks rather than LMB spam

[split dove]

all we got on creature scale combat atm

[blissful perch]

agree...but it doesn't quite answer what I'm after 😛

[split dove]

i guess we might know with the gameplay soon

[untold ingot]

Doesn't a few of the Dino rp games like the isle etc have things like combos?

[blissful perch]

When I played the isle there was nothing like a combo

only disappointment

[covert tapir]

i want a bodyslaming trex

[untold ingot]

Fair

[covert tapir]

gameplay gonna be walking through a forest seeing a dodo

[blissful perch]

I do think it would be awesome if creatures had a move pool rather than just exclusively a bite OR a buttload of fantasy attacks

[untold ingot]

I think it's possible for there to be combos, special moves, critical hits, etc on every Dino. I don't expect there will be dodge rolls or blocks, but maybe sidesteps and pounces for smaller creatures

[blissful perch]

for example if rex class creatures could use a combination of stomps, bites, body/tail slams, etc

smaller raptor class creatures would have perhaps some side steps and pounces for sure

[covert tapir]

no trex dodge roll?!!??

[untold ingot]

I think even rexes should side step

[covert tapir]

depending on how slow the attack

[untold ingot]

Brachis too

Because the whole 283927 point turn to turn around is so annoying to me lol

[covert tapir]

they should at least have like a shake stuff cause i guess raptors will gain the deinonychus jump

[blissful perch]

brachis should be able to corner better...but sidestepping a multi ton animal is a meme

[untold ingot]

If riding a brachi doesn't feel like ballet, they did it wrong

[blissful perch]

you're riding a walking tank, and imo it should feel like that

you should have cc options and bulk to withstand threats...unlike ark 1 where your front is completely helpless

[untold ingot]

Movement should feel smooth. Ark1 movement definitely is the opposite of smooth lol

[covert tapir]

tbh there should be more stuns in game

and if the attacks are slower

its not as painful

[verbal wind]

i hope that models kinda react to terrain better

[covert tapir]

i highly doubt creature attack speed will be nearly as fast

[blissful perch]

stuns are buns

staggers might be good, but hard stuns are just not fun

[verbal wind]

like walking up an incline and stepping on certain points, the model shouldn't suddenly go 90 degrees

[untold ingot]

That last less time lol

[blissful perch]

smooth can be slow

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I am a proponent of slow. It makes things more enjoyable at a pace I want. I want smooth though

[covert tapir]

getting hit by a bronto tail with any creature should at least slow move speed for a couple of seconds

doesnt have to be a big slow down but like 20 %

[blissful perch]

a brachi for example should not be able to used the same as a raptor...one is very clearly more suited for agile dodging, and the other is far more suited for cc/tanking and methodical slow travel

[untold ingot]

I mean, a game with stuns that last 10 seconds is too mich

[blissful perch]

i'd rather have it have very high knockback for anything below X size

[covert tapir]

if they get fall damage by knockback

[blissful perch]

so a player or raptor is sent flying

[covert tapir]

even when unridden, with better ai it is doable

[untold ingot]

Brachi needs to feel like a tank. But tanks have decent movement lol

[blissful perch]

brachi just needs proper cc and doesn't need to get stuck on pebbles and that's 99% of the battle

[untold ingot]

Cc?

[blissful perch]

crowd control

[untold ingot]

Ah

I don't know, brachis to me should be very good against single entities, but like elephants should be vulnerable to groups of attackers

[blissful perch]

I see brachi as walking tanks that are largely immune to small creatures and require large takedowns

[untold ingot]

A pack of allos or more mobile medium sized creatures should work well against them though

[blissful perch]

makes sense. They could be resistant to the knockback due to being larger and have more tools to wear down a brachi

[untold ingot]

I don't like knock back damage lol

[blissful perch]

knockback is a potent tool for cc, and should be used with care

right now it's abused in ark 1 on almost everything and can lead to cheese

[untold ingot]

Well, my point was I don't thing brachis should be crowd control

It doesn't make sense. It's like having an elephant sheep herder.

[hexed drift]

is there a release date yet

[mellow wadi]

ark 2

[mellow wadi]

Prob summer is what they think

[blissful perch]

it's hard to imagine because very few small pack animals are stupid enough to face off against an adult elephant

[split dove]

we will see with the roadmap on the 31st of March

[hexed drift]

does the show have a date yet?

[rare heart]

Tomorrow

[untold ingot]

So youre saying brachis should be anti raptor?

[hexed drift]

fr?

[untold ingot]

I would rather see them anti Rex, etc

[split dove]

i swear ark players believe anything

[blissful perch]

anti-human/raptor? More like largely immune to. My vision is that it's mututal

[mint swan]

No, it does not. Ignore the people uncapable of replying with a yes or no

[blissful perch]

the brachi is slow and easily dodged/avoided, but it has attacks and abilities that make it near impossible to kill with a small mount or on foot

[hexed drift]

lol alright ty

[split dove]

we will see if there's release dates/release windows with the roadmap on the 31st of March

[rare heart]

Raptors arent really canines/probably didnt function like any sort of pack hunter in the modern world

Bigger raptors target smaller animals much more easily than smaller raptors (IRL the utah (what every pop culture raptor is) couldnt even jump

Sauropods would be immune to any raptors

[untold ingot]

Yeah, but it's strength should lie in being an anti large carnivore tame

[blissful perch]

I see the opposite...that it gets in trouble against large carnivores

[untold ingot]

If someone brings out a brachi, a solo Rex should be scared, while a pack of then should not

[blissful perch]

I see an even fight against one rex, and a losing one against multiple

[untold ingot]

An elephant against any single large predator will almost always win. Against a group, it'll almost always lose

[rare heart]

Realistically yeah

[blissful perch]

there are no elephant sized predators alive on earth

[untold ingot]

I don't see an even fight against one Rex lol

[untold ingot]

And rexes aren't brachi sized either

[blissful perch]

I'd say the closest we have rn is brachi vs carno or allo

[rare heart]

?

[blissful perch]

if you want to relate this to elephants and lions

there just aren't any massive predators in our modern ecosystems

[mint swan]

There are

[blissful perch]

not on land

[rare heart]

With dynamic combat on paper (how they want it) i wouldnt be surprised id actual sauropod hunters were allos, gigas, etc

[untold ingot]

Put an elephant against a polar bear. Elephant wins usually

[mint swan]

That would be correct

[blissful perch]

a polar bear is also carno/allo scaled

[untold ingot]

Most predators, even when combat capabilites are even, will go after weak or wounded creatures, rather than trying to take on a healthy adult lol

[mint swan]

Asian elephants are also much smaller; could be comparable to the American bison which a few tames in ark relate to size

[blissful perch]

that has...what to do with the question being asked? Free lunch is always ideal lol

this is a question of intuitive balance

it's intuitive that the largest carnivores in ark 2 should be on similar footing to the larger herbivores (unless my titan tame suggestion is used)

[untold ingot]

And my intuitive balance says rexes solo wouldnt willingly take on a fight with larger herbivores lol

[blissful perch]

realistically nothing touches a healthy adult sauropod. But I sense the game isn't going to take that route

[rare heart]

Media too also fails to represent sauropods accurately in terms of their predation defenses

Sauropods can also run quite well (in terms of stamina)

Most media makes them unrealistically cartoonish by treating them like a boss battles than an actual animal

[untold ingot]

I hope it does

[rare heart]

Stomp attacks also make no goddamn sense either other than being cliche “and i guess cool?” But stale

[blissful perch]

stomp attacks are stale is a wild take

given extremely few ark creatures use them, and they are an excellent choice for diversifying the move pools of ark 2 creatures

[rare heart]

Every animal game ever

Hadrosaurs could def stomp

[covert tapir]

i want bodychecks

[rare heart]

when i say stomp i mean rearing up with a crazy uneven distribution of weight to kill something with a wacky hitbox

[covert tapir]

headsmashes

attacks that do recoil

[blissful perch]

a stomp from a sauropod should be gg

[rare heart]

Sauropods like brach, would just use kicks or running into things and standing on it

[covert tapir]

imagine a rex turning to the side and jumping onto you with his might

i want brachios to fight each other like giraffes do

[rare heart]

Sauropods should still stomp but the rearing ultra finisher kill everybody aoe attack is dumb

[covert tapir]

smacking their necks together

[rare heart]

A simple brachi run would ko everything

idk why i need an attack to deal the trample for me

[covert tapir]

a brachi cant get their foot high enough to stomp a rex

[rare heart]

Why they run into it

[covert tapir]

unless they go on their hind legs

[rare heart]

Knock it down, step on it anyways

Rex was slow as shit as well

Armored herbivores stomping is also dumb too

[winged dome]

🍻

[desert swallow]

wrong

[rare heart]

.3.?

Its built like a boulder and is supported by two legs? The only large theropod not faster than trex was spino

In turn hunted beefy herbivores

Irl giga and rex side by side is absurd too

[south lance]

i dont think people totally believe rex was super slow anymore

but paleontology is so fucking bipolar idk whats the current consensus

[rare heart]

In terms of large carnivore yes

[south lance]

has no feathers, has feathers, some feathers, dunno, ffs

[split dove]

we got a new spino debate every month

[rare heart]

Rex is a beefcake that didnt need to be fast because it hunted things that were built heavily. With a bite that basically disintegrates flesh

Unlike say, giga who is much lighter, who just ran down medium sauropods and just filleted them (giga did not live with argentinosaurus)

Mapu did tho but it still had a light frame to dance around argents and once again, fillet them

[rancid harness]

We'll know March 31.

[potent hull]

or this week

[rancid harness]

Jeremy confirmed on Twitter that the roadmap will be dropping on the 31st

[fallow niche]

Please use #ark-animated-series for the show.

[blissful perch]

To this day there is heavy uncertainty about the top speed of a rex

[long nova]

Cant wait a year for a game to never release gameplay and then show us a date a year later of when it’s release will be

Cause there is no way it’s releasing this year

[fallow niche]

We'll hopefully know more in a couple weeks with the roadmap

[long nova]

Most likely gonna say ark 2 coming in 2024 at least we will have eu5 ark

[tropic forge]

something tells me the other guy was right, they gonna release on 31 so they can say it was a delay and was actually april fools day

[long nova]

All this delaying reminds me of another very similar game

Hmmm

…

[rare heart]

I bet it was slow but lots of stamina, i wouldnt be surprised with intelligence studies if it was capable of ambushing

Considering our only reference of bipedal animals and flightless birds and humans and both arent that fast, but great at stamina

[blissful perch]

ostrich can run pretty quick

humans are also one of an extremely small group of sweating animals with high stamina

[rare heart]

Its also small and still gets predated by lions and cheetahs easily

[blissful perch]

i was unaware it had to be rex sized given you used penguins as your example

[rare heart]

You know what i meant

[ripe marsh]

I'm pretty sure there were studies that were highly in favor of rex being one of the most agile mega-theropods, even more than giga or spino

[blissful perch]

"our only reference of bipedal animals and flightless birds and humans and both arent that fast" implies you think ostrich are slow

kiwi and penguins are slow...but those aren't all flightless birds lol

[rare heart]

I dont even think penguins are in the same family of what is considered a flightless bird anyways

kiwi is though

[blissful perch]

you are clearly not using a taxonomic category

[rare heart]

Not really no but you had do be snarky and you obviously understood what i said the first time

[blissful perch]

i understood and disagreed, and it seems your move was to try to dismiss my argument that Struthionidae has fast moving animals

unless I missed a recent study, people were confident a rex could deploy burst speed. The question was for how long and if it was the preferred hunting mechanism

[rare heart]

Compared to their main predators that favor high speed and low stamina? Not fast enough

[blissful perch]

by that logic anything eaten by a cheetah is slow

you're trying to dismiss my point again though. The point is that the rex has the bone structure and capacity for speed. What's not known is how or if it used said speed

[stark ginkgo]

bingo

there are many "theories" on rex meaning many people say different things but that one is the most supported, end of story.

[blissful perch]

the story for any extinct animal tends to not end lol, but that's the current consensus as I know it

[rare heart]

Sure, still dont think it is outpacing a large charcharodontosaurid, i think i spelled that right, in any way

[blissful perch]

"I bet it was slow but lots of stamina" - Majunkey

[rare heart]

Yeah

[blissful perch]

so is this you retracting that statement and pivoting to saying there are faster therapods?

[rare heart]

in its size range yeah

that was my original point

[blissful perch]

"Rex is a beefcake that didnt need to be fast"

bro I'm not so sure it was

[rare heart]

Yep

yeah i typed it you can find it

[blissful perch]

I saw a lot of gymnastics...and a comment that it's very slow

[stark ginkgo]

man im still curious how megaraptorians fit into tyrannosauridea...

[rare heart]

I said what i said

rex relative to other something like a giga or acro is far slower because it didnt need to be

[blissful perch]

no complete skeleton found be like

[stark ginkgo]

it also depends on there prey and niche...

[rare heart]

I know

different prey different build

[blissful perch]

I think I also missed the step where we were certain these other animals were faster

[stark ginkgo]

yeah

if your a 7 ton animal hunting a 20lb animal your losing more then you gain.

[rare heart]

Are they not much lighter in build? With tyrannosaurus being heavier and much more robust?

[ripe marsh]

It's 9 tons now lol

mf keeps getting bigger

[stark ginkgo]

im just talking about any animal in general

not just the rex

[ripe marsh]

fair

[stark ginkgo]

it depends alot on the species.

[blissful perch]

all of them have similar bone structure, being therapods

[stark ginkgo]

yep

[blissful perch]

almost all the musculature is conjecture

most physical traits for these animals are inferred using bone scans and testing physical limits that if broken result in the bone shattering

muscles are then added to accommodate those limits...but who knows how precise that is. Biology is filled with vestigial or bizarre adaptations

[stark ginkgo]

yeah...its a shame we will never know truley.

[rare heart]

I will say stuff like giga is less studied

But when you line up giga with a rex the difference is so night and day in their scale its insane

[blissful perch]

get me ma time machine

[blissful perch]

since that's not possible I'm not sure what you mean. No complete giga skeleton was ever found

[stark ginkgo]

honestly mainstream media has caused well the giga to look like a concavenator on steroids and the rex to be a giant lizard

[blissful perch]

mainstream understanding is tragically not adjusting as fast as the field is lol

from what I'm seeing, the predicted giga size is about 1m longer than a rex

[stark ginkgo]

if only people did not make docu series USING ark models

[blissful perch]

and ofc that model is heavily inferred, since no complete giga skeleton was found

[stark ginkgo]

honestly i would try and go off of the creatures most similar but make sure its not a kaiju concav

[rare heart]

From what i understand giga predictions are longer but the overall body frame and robustness is very thin compared to trex

Same with spino, obviously but spino is dumb so we dont talk about it

[stark ginkgo]

263ft LONG SPINO

[rare heart]

so trve

[blissful perch]

from what I see gigas were generalist carnivores that ate whatever they felt like

[ripe marsh]

latest study was how spino can't swim..... poor thing can't catch a break 😭

[blissful perch]

it says they likely preyed on sauropods though...and those are certainly NOT fast animals

[stark ginkgo]

Spino Checklist
-Cant Walk
-Cant Run
-Cant Stand on all 4's
-Cant Swim
-Eats fish

[stray elm]

Fuckers couldn't move

[south lance]

paleontologists are the goofiest people

[rare heart]

I think the assumption is that during this time they generally always lived around hadrosaurs and sauropods because they dominated the early cretaceous

Why late cretaceous south america and africa are the way they are for things like mapu

[blissful perch]

imagine telling a story but you only get one letter from one page every 10 years LOL

[stark ginkgo]

well after that megaraptorians took over and all hell went lose

and the force had been broken

[rare heart]

Spino is lost interest for me

[stark ginkgo]

yeah bro lets talk about...

[south lance]

i want my big beefy alpha rex that runs at 50 mph because i want monsters not mortal animals and beasts you can just shoot down

[blissful perch]

i want plausible realism

[south lance]

alligator tier skin

[blissful perch]

if a rex teleports, I'll be pissed

[stark ginkgo]

only alligator tier skin bro...

[south lance]

ive an unrealistic hatred of realism

[rare heart]

Godzillas leg sized giga (my favorite)

[south lance]

i mean if its bone plate itd have wildly reduced range of motion

[rare heart]

I dont get why we gotta only do the obvious tropes

[south lance]

if only our biochemistry could be more epic

we needed more gravity

but temporarily

[ripe marsh]

"Nothing personnel, kid" devours an inoccent beach bob

[tropic forge]

🍿

[blissful perch]

you'd never think it was epic

[south lance]

true

[blissful perch]

psychology results in you normalizing things and not finding them remarkable after exposure

[rare heart]

They want to grow limbs back thats enough for me

[south lance]

if the standard for all lifeforms was higher then the best we have would be as proportionally better as our current best

thus my unrealistic hatred of reality

but my feelings want to be sated too

feelings of awe

[blissful perch]

realism for its own sake is cringe

realism for immersion's sake is based

[south lance]

wc should hire some cult leaders to get some tips on immersion

[untold ingot]

I mean, the game will never be well enough designed for full immersion

[pallid quest]

:/

[hasty hull]

Hello

[lime flicker]

Welp, waiting for the 31st 😭

[blissful perch]

A game designed for full immersion ceases to be a game

[rare heart]

The isle

[astral token]

Because you shouldn’t watch nooblets and WC will release a roadmap on 31st

WC = Wildcard develops of ARK ._.

Um sure

[worldly garden]

Why would Superman know what WC means? Lazer vision don't help with that.

[lime forge]

I’m pretty sure Superman had the power to make up his own powers at one point. So while laser vision wouldn’t help I’m sure he could think of something.

[worldly garden]

It wasn't a real question. 🤣

[slow flax]

Could fly around really quick asking loads of people till someone told him?

[lime forge]

That’s canon

[ionic meteor]

Nooblets just fell off real hard tbh, I used to watch his videos because they used to be helpfull but now he posts rants about ARK2.

[astral token]

Same 💯

[split dove]

he needs to keep his channel and views relevant for 1 week in some way

[worldly garden]

That recent ARK 2 video was bad. And it was just full of comments of people agreeing with him that ARK 2 will be delayed for years. So many Sheep in there.

[split dove]

certain people tend to attract similar people

[lime flicker]

Roadmap comes on the 31st for ark related release dates

[south lance]

cynicism is too low risk

[haughty ore]

nooblets is chill

[rare heart]

Every game’s cc eventually are just staying afloat with pennies and nickels content wise

eventually they will adapt or just die

[compact flicker]

Guys. Any news on the next gameplay show? When can pre-orders open?

[tropic crag]

About 5 messages up indicate a roadmap on the 31st (as would the latest tweet in the #766826918803800074 channel), but other than that not really

[worldly garden]

Doubt there will be pre-orders.

[compact flicker]

what is a road map

[rare heart]

Im hoping pre order bonuses are not lame

[winged dome]

🍻

[split dove]

a roadmap is a game developer's way of letting players know of planned content for down the road. This may contain dates/release windows for stuff like gameplay, more reveals and release. and this roadmap is gonna cover Ark 1, Ark 2 and the animated series.

[compact flicker]

thx

[split dove]

pre order for a early access game? i highly doubt that will ever happen or get done a lot.

[compact flicker]

I didn't know the game was in early access. Sorry

[split dove]

we thought you already knew, but it was more aimed at the ''pre order bonuses shouldn't be lame'' message

[rare heart]

Its happened before, ark was also a game where they dropped dlc whilst in early access so who knows

[split dove]

they had to drop Scorched bc of a lawsuit or they would've gone under

[tropic crag]

That was a very unique situation, that I doubt will happen again lmao

And in no way indicates a pattern

[rare heart]

Ok

[split dove]

scorched was the only wildcard dlc in early access, aberration was a few months after leaving early access. (i don't count center as it's a mod map pushed to official)

[past wind]

IIRC scorched was supposed to happen anyway, but it would be free.

[tropic crag]

Not during early access, but yes, Ark DLC was going to be free at one point iirc as well

[fiery oracle]

anyone else worried about the lack of gameplay

[untold totem]

It's hard to worry when we all know it's the good old "ARK things gets delayed again"

[worldly garden]

Nope.

[mint swan]

im worried about the whole game not gonna lie

lock on combat?

third person only?

and most of the time a game with a celeb in it is not very good...

[astral token]

Mods will be all platform and can add back FPV rasily

[astral token]

Unknown what role Vindiago will play

[mint swan]

idk man

like i really hope it will be a great game

but fuck man i cant stop thinking about it

lets be honest the last few games these past years

have been crap

and im just worried ark will end up the same

[mint swan]

main character right

[mint swan]

well yeah but the FP animations will be god awful

[astral token]

Unknown 👍🏽

They will probably not lock the MC and keep character customisation

Highly unlikely we’ll play as Vin

[mint swan]

please no

let me make my own characters lmfao

[astral token]

Souls like combat sucks in FPV, probably why it was removed

[split dove]

and the new player traversal mechanics probably also wouldn't work well in first person

[mint swan]

i just dont like lock on combat in general

[astral token]

Lock?

[split dove]

it's likely gonna be camera lock, not actual auto attack lock

[mint swan]

ye ark 2 wil have lock on combat

[mint swan]

this

[astral token]

I prefer any combat over left click spam

[mint swan]

i like the pvp now honestly

just gotta learn how

[split dove]

Shifter fell alseep fighting a bone bronto, woke up and was still fighting

[mint swan]

😭

[astral token]

Me but Beta King Titan after all my gigas died ☠️

[mint swan]

im playing trough scorched earth rn

vanilla settings

im suffering :3

[mint swan]

should have brought 1 extra giga

[astral token]

I had an Ice Titan

[mint swan]

died?

[astral token]

I was pressing left click and I dozed off, woke up some time later and was still pressing left click

Finally it died

The King Titan

[mint swan]

should have brought a longneck rifle

obviously

[rare heart]

Usually lock is a choice, so hopefully its optional

[elfin pumice]

It will probably be

[rare heart]

Lock is very… meh

[elfin pumice]

Its good when the player has to move a lot during combat

[rare heart]

Hard to pop off in those games, you can win sure, not as interesting

Idk i barely see anyone use lock the entire time

Its usually just to refocus on the main target

[elfin pumice]

In what game

[rare heart]

Souls or monster hunter

unless im using a ranged weapon then i dont prioritize using lock

[elfin pumice]

Souls players almost always use lock on

Except for specific attacks on some weapons in pvp

But very rarely

[rare heart]

I didnt play the souls games as much, but i did play a lot of monster hunter

Idk i imagine most of the bosses would be more in line with a monster hunter creature in an arena. And i bet there would be a handful of humanoid bosses too

[elfin pumice]

I like the idea of humaniod bosses

Could be like the ararai version of aztec jaguar warriors

[split dove]

there's a chance there might be some more genesis esc brute Aratai

[rare heart]

Idk ark 2 ai with how everything is worded sounds insane compared to something like monster hunter

or like… any game for that matter

And the games that should have stuff like that dont xd

Im hoping bigger carnivores will also be less abundant in terms of rarity

[tardy onyx]

The AI sounds like it's from Sons Of The Forest, where the monsters stalk you and wait for a good moment to strike

[potent hull]

sow what Dinosaur in ark 2 will you all tam first me will be a Stegosaurus

[worldly garden]

🦤

[covert tapir]

whatever thing seems the most helpless

[vague bolt]

Most likely something that's fast and versatile, for now- that would be a Raptor, but if something like a Baryonyx gets added, Baryonyx

[covert tapir]

lets face it we spend the first 2 hours dying anyways

[split dove]

nah, i'd spend the first 2 hours in spectator mode going around the map

[covert tapir]

that ruins the first fun no?

[split dove]

it's just a joke, you probably wouldn't be able to tell either way

[covert tapir]

you know me too well

[split dove]

took you 30 min to figure out what place is known for waffles after all

[covert tapir]

while that is true, you also tricked me into thinking it was a person

[split dove]

who the hell would name their child waffles?

[covert tapir]

a belgian perhaps

[bitter kiln]

Ark 2 better have every tame pet able

[mint swan]

Real

[potent hull]

even you as a tame pet lol

[bitter kiln]

Think about it imagine petting a carno it'd be adorable

[untold ingot]

Ah, yes, just sitting on the couch petting the absolute horned monster of death

[wanton pike]

Petting your tames giving you affection points lol

[bitter kiln]

Precisely

What would be the best creature in ark to pet?

[tropic crag]

Flobs, I think he's got a point...

[split dove]

we're not like americans with naming our children

[tropic crag]

Yes, because as we all know, Americans name their children after food products /s

[split dove]

[stray elm]

We do

[split dove]

tell me you're lying

[untold ingot]

Wish that was possible lol

I have met a kid named pizza

[split dove]

oh god

[tropic crag]

Speak for yourself, my first daughter is most likely going to be named Midna and my first son is probably going to be named Richter

[stray elm]

Nah, it's American tradition to name our children after foods.
Like how Elon named his child after some technological shit.

[tropic crag]

Maybe wherever you're from, sure. But in the rest of the states, not so much

[stray elm]

Bruise, you hear that?

[tropic crag]

Look up the most popular U.S. baby names, I'm willing to bet that a food item isn't in the top ten, if even top 100

[stray elm]

It's the sound of a joke going over your head.
Like a bird that thought to land on a tree, but decided 'nah' and continued moving on.
Like the wind blowing over a mountain top.
Nothing goes through you, aye?

[blissful perch]

Is the sound louder or softer than a bootleg

[past wind]

I guess you’re kidding, but please NO! We don’t need more clicking simulator.

[stray elm]

The fuck is a boot leg?

[blissful perch]

I’d take daily pets over mutation stacking 10/10 times

[untold ingot]

Just play with hyenadons lol

[past wind]

Id say no for both, actually. 🤣

I want something more than that

[split dove]

i'm gonna name my son Edmund if i ever have one

[untold ingot]

I like mutations. Just not stat mutations

[tropic crag]

I hope hyaenodons don't make it into Ark 2 I SAID WHAT I SAID

[blissful perch]

Im sorry more?

[past wind]

Like missions to improve the affection or something with a purpose

[untold ingot]

Getting rid of my pro caving/boss fighting strategy there

[past wind]

Not just clicking and waiting

[tropic crag]

Actually one of the most useless creatures, no joke

[blissful perch]

I’m fine with missions or something similar to a side quest to permanently improve a tame’s connection to the rider

[stray elm]

I thought that too......

[past wind]

I think Ark 2 should be more about quality over quantity

[untold ingot]

Bro never used them lol

[blissful perch]

It kinda has to be. Since souls combat collapses with ark 1 creature densities

[past wind]

Something on those lines

[past wind]

I mean about breeding and bonding with your tames

Instead of serial production of gigas, we should have one special giga to use, you know?

[blissful perch]

It would be nice to have it work that way

I wonder if it would work to have creature species wide level ups that wouldn’t be lost on tame death

So if you kill someone’s giga they don’t lose everything they earned for “gigas” they just lose the game and need to tame another one

[untold ingot]

That's a new idea

[past wind]

You mean more character dependent?

[tropic crag]

Like, your proficiency in using said tame, right?

[blissful perch]

Someone (me) has to think them up lol

[blissful perch]

Tied to characters yes. Protected the same way your character levels and engrams are

[tropic crag]

The more you use them, the more you know how to get out of them, etc.

[blissful perch]

I think it would be good to feel like you don’t lose meta progress on death. No gear = you can’t do much, but at least the huge grind of meta progression can’t be offlined

[untold ingot]

That's kind of the lord to troop relationship in Warhammer. I like it

[tropic crag]

More maneuvers you learn to do while riding said dino, possibly

[past wind]

I now you don’t like Atlas and their skill tree, but they did something like that where you need the skills to tame and ride the creatures. Not saying it should be the same, but it would be interesting to work from there.

[blissful perch]

I mean you could tie skill trees to the same system

[untold ingot]

Personally, I think it should be that way lol. You need certain skills to be able to quickly tame creatures, and get different perks for riding them

[blissful perch]

I see this as a given for ark 2, and it’s not quite what my idea is about

[tropic crag]

One of the few things I think Atlas has that would be ok to implement, if done right

[blissful perch]

My idea is more about unlocking bonding traits for each species through interaction with it, and that some/all of those traits persist after you/the tame die

[past wind]

I got it. But it’s basically building over what atlas had, you know?

[untold ingot]

Something like "I put 5 points into rexes" now all the rexes I am riding get a 10% boost?

[past wind]

You are adding more complexity to it, and I think it’s a good way to go.

[blissful perch]

Does atlas have traits that work like that? Where they level up through use of the trait/interaction with the creature?

[past wind]

No

[blissful perch]

At its most simple, yes

[past wind]

Not that I know, at least

[blissful perch]

Although that may be better suited to only apply to creatures you tame or breed

[untold ingot]

More complexity is what makes a game last

[past wind]

It’s just about taming and riding, I mean the skills

[past wind]

Yeah, I’m saying in a positive way. It’s good

[blissful perch]

Imo it’s replayability that makes multiplayer games last

For singleplayer games it’s complexity and content breadth

[untold ingot]

I mean, it's kind of both

[blissful perch]

Lotta simple but replayable games out there get a lot of players lol

[past wind]

New content helped Ark 1 a lot, I don’t know if new content fits replayability

[untold ingot]

Mp games that aren't complex are like team fps type things

Ark isn't like that

[past wind]

They should keep the constant flow of meaningful updates and DLCs

[blissful perch]

Ark appeals to complex and content breadth…but the issue is that the model depends upon constant content drops to keep the population stable

A replayable game can run largely by itself for a long time, and that extra time can grant dedicated devs more time between updates to make better content. There’s less vicious community pressure

[untold ingot]

True. It's a good model imo

[blissful perch]

It’s wildly unsustainable and means a loss of dev support spells instant death for the game

but, and I have to give heavy props to WC, they actually DO foster some replayability by having pvp revolve around wiping and rebuilding and offering mods for unofficials and pve/sp to experiment with different settings or experiences

[untold ingot]

The alternative is something like cod. Replays of the same old stuff, with extra cash flow over old skins

[tropic crag]

The current model is kind of why the Ark community is so ridiculously stupid and ravenous for EVO events and such, but that's a whole other thing

[blissful perch]

people love COD because it's easy to replay

[untold ingot]

I mean, give a model that doesn't rely on new content being added, that also isn't just a battoepass/subscription/pay to use skin scam

[blissful perch]

let's first be very clear that a model for longevity is NOT the same discussion as a profit model

[untold ingot]

I don't see why it's different

[blissful perch]

one determines the duration of developer support, the other can be entirely independent

a game with high longevity can be a profit loss and/or have no dev support, but can still have players

[untold ingot]

In single player, with no servers

[blissful perch]

WC support is not required for unofficial servers to exist afaik

[untold ingot]

I mean, in a degree it is

In either case, name an unsupported recent game that isn't single player and still has a large active playerbase

[ornate drift]

In Ark 2, can you make your own character or do you have to play as that bald Hollywood star? I forgot what his name was

[fallow niche]

Santiago is more likely going to be an NPC. We're going to be our own people.

[blissful perch]

recent sort of makes for an impossible ask? Recent games can't have demonstrated longevity

[untold ingot]

Recent == this decade

Like Mario is not what I am asking

[blissful perch]

and would you like to define large as thousands of players? Or do you want games that retain their playerbase across time?

[untold ingot]

Retaining a player base that is thousands, in roughly the same number of players

[blissful perch]

hmm, one could argue minecraft did this in the transition period between Mojang and microsoft

natural selection 2 has dropped from 1-2k players to about 200 and kept that count for almost 8 years (game released in 2012) and is still running

[rare heart]

Goated game

[blissful perch]

but most large playerbase games these days are games as service models...so no support = can't support a large playerbase. Definitionally impossible

[blissful perch]

yep. I've been helping work on the game and it's been an honor

awesome community that has shocking dedication

(wishing ark was like that sometimes lol)

[rare heart]

10% or whatever of the community never fighting a single boss according to steam xd

[blissful perch]

not sure if that stat is an easy grab, but definitely a huge percent never beat a boss

[untold ingot]

I wouldn't think it's 10% of the active player base.

It's just 10% of steam accounts of ark bought

[lime flicker]

ahem 🫣👀

11 more days guys !!!

[stray elm]

Would be pretty poggers if we got another concept-piece this Friday

[winged dome]

🍻

[split dove]

I think at most maybe something regarding the roadmap. Seeing as the new stuff we had this month was every 2 week.

[sour grotto]

is there anything on the release date of Ark 2?

[lime flicker]

Ark roadmap has been confirmed to release on the 31st for all ark related release dates, stay tuned

Also, 🍻🍻🍻

[potent hull]

will you be on the road map booge lol

[winged dome]

🍻

[shadow plinth]

Release date of Ark 2 is gonna be 2026

[ripe marsh]

Full release? Perchance.

[tropic crag]

Yeah, I mean sounds good to me

[bold juniper]

I think it’s way lower on Xbox, tho it could be game pass players just stopping in to test the game and leave

[bold prawn]

Hopefully they will keep their player base long enough to finish Ark 2…

[astral token]

Again, don’t spread misinformation

[serene onyx]

Fr

[tribal chasm]

I would like to see Ark 2 have a better character system, something more permanent, a profile that is always available and cannot be lost via silly means (ie transferring servers). Likewise, I think Ark 1's idea of 'longevity' is borderline exploitive, ie you must keep playing indefinitely or else you will lose everything you have (except your character, which as mentioned can be lost anyway)

[untold totem]

i rather have multiple characters in different servers/clusters

[tropic crag]

I've mentioned somewhat of a similar idea, where you have your character that is your character for official, (and then maybe one for unofficial/singleplayer as well, but that's another thing) and that's it. One survivor, one server at a time, one tribe at a time, with a cooldown on leaving and joining tribes and possibly servers as well (mainly to combat mega tribes in my original conversation, but also just for the sake of ease of access, because no one likes to sift through hundreds of servers to find out which one they have a character on)

[verbal wind]

if you mean the decay timer on servers, it's probably not a good idea to have someone log in, make a base, then log out for a month or two and keep their spot when it's taking up space

you can remove the decay timer on servers but on official there could be dozens of people to use that spot instead

[vapid panther]

Id like to see a medium decay timer and make it the same for all levels of buildings. I feel it's a huge problem that alpha tribes get to tek and pillar most of the map, then dont have to come back for a month. Meanwhile the newbies trying to get started have to be on every few days to keep thatch around, assuming they can find a buildable spot.

[tropic crag]

Yeah, always hated that. If it's a month for tek, make it a month for thatch. Why make it a lesser timer if you're just going to get raided anyways, if the other tribes feel so inclined? Like for real, what do we gain by having all tiers not be the same, like a week or something

Maybe two weeks, but obviously these are just placeholder suggestions

[verbal wind]

a week sounds good in general

[tropic crag]

For a big enough tribe, yeah

[verbal wind]

if all you need is to log in once a week that's a lot of time to get to it

[tropic crag]

I think two would be nice for the solos who may not be able to get on for extended periods of time

But that's probably just me

[verbal wind]

i've mostly played on a server that removed the decay timer though, but during that time i logged on like once every day for most of it

[vapid panther]

I feel 3 weeks so someone can go on vacation and not get ruined. And have a universal vault with maybe 30 slots you can keep by logging in with app. For those going to school or whatnot and needing a few months.

[tropic crag]

Ehhhhhhhhhh, idk about that, necessarily 😅

The idea of a safezone with limited slots has made the rounds before, and the consensus is that most people don't like it, apparently

[verbal wind]

then you get the people who will build in resource spots like metal and block their spawns for weeks without having to log in

[vapid panther]

I'll accept whatever if its fair across the board. The vault wouldnt be bases... its an upload. Totally off the server.

[tropic crag]

If there's a top dog resource like metal again, it better be in places that are either terrible to build or not buildable, period

[vapid panther]

It would help to have a cap on construction.

[tropic crag]

I know, a safezone. Most people don't like the idea, for some reason 🤷‍♂️

[verbal wind]

depends on the cap, i've seen some very big, very creative bases on official

[tropic crag]

The idea of a TC (tool cupboard, like in Rust) has been floated here, too 😂

[vapid panther]

Most people we hear from is not most people that play. Its alpha tribe kind of people. Lots of people play a few days at a time and never post

[verbal wind]

if they could find a way to prevent pillaring a section of the map that'd be great

i remember logging into a rag server and finding viking bay completely blocked, all the way to the volcano

[vapid panther]

The cap could be space? I just hate pillaring and massive walls in the middle of nowhere

I do like the creativity of some builders. Dont want that to go away

Valguero was horrible for blocking off beaches

[tropic crag]

A TC would solve the "your base is now taking over the map" issues

[verbal wind]

hmm. maybe like a tribe flag to place down? the tribe gets 1, and it establishes an area around it where the decay timer is the normal amount, anything outside of that radius has a decay timer of a day maybe?

[tropic crag]

Or other such scummy building practices

[vapid panther]

Atlas did the claim flag. It works ok. And larger tribes can have extra flag or two.

[verbal wind]

can't tell you how many times i've seen people leave a foundation, bed, and vault near the rag desert crates

[tropic crag]

Look up what the tool cupboard does, I think you'd probably agree that it's one of the better routes for these types of games, also maybe search it in this chat to see past convos on it

[vapid panther]

Or leave a locked trap at a spawn site.

I'll look up TC. Sounds like what I'd like.

[verbal wind]

or hell, just a large base that takes up half the spawn sites in an area

[vapid panther]

I bounced the idea that bases be instances off server. Has some problems but cleans up the server a lot. Just thinking out of the box

Or foundations on a spawn site so they dont spawn... arrgggg

[verbal wind]

i'm not sure how that could work

unless it's like only bases in instanced caves which presents issues

[tropic crag]

Speaking of spawning, I really hope the player spawn zones aren't like literal points on the map that you can record/look up and put some shitty death trap on later, always hated that shit. Only cowards who are too scared to face any form of adversity put traps on spawns

[vapid panther]

Kinda like home in ESO. You see a pic of the base but need to actually enter to do anything. And that takes you to another part of the server just for that base

[tropic crag]

That falls under a safezone, no?

Something other players can't touch

[vapid panther]

I kinda like spawn sites at ship crash sites with no build

[verbal wind]

and it would have to be anywhere across the map unless you don't allow building anywhere

[vapid panther]

Yeah. Guess your right. Maybe allow declared wars where other tribes can challenge you and get access?

[tropic crag]

Or better yet, just have the spawn points be procedural. There's almost no reason that player spawn points should be preset points imo

[vapid panther]

I want most of the map being no build. With immersive taming, traps should have less use so no need to fill the map with buildings

[vapid panther]

How's that work for retrieving gear?

[verbal wind]

i mean, one part of ark 1 that I like is that you can build anywhere

if ark 2 limits base building to preset areas that's a huge step down

especially to a sandbox survival game

[vapid panther]

Im expecting the map tp be huge so there should still be lots of cool places to build. But i get your point

[tropic crag]

I don't know what you mean, the initial spawns on the beaches are garbage for getting you back to your loot anyways? Like I don't understand

[vapid panther]

Initial spawns you could choose somewhere kind of close. But if you die on one side of the map and spawn on the other, it could make it impossible to get your gear

[tribal chasm]

Yes the building decay is one thing, not possible to fix in Ark 1, but it's sad when you see people staying up almost 24/7 for 6 months because they don't wanna let go of their progress

[tropic crag]

Gen 1 was horrible for this reason alone, but I understand what they were going for and it didn't work out having the zones buildable in Gen 2 either, so it's certainly a dilemma and something I hope they figure out for the random events that Ark 2 will have, so I don't have some wounded rex event spawning in my base just because it's in an alcove that has a spawn path for that particular event lol

[stray elm]

It kind of worked in Gen2, with the missions adapting to their terminal.

[tropic crag]

Nonononono, I mean the exact spawn points, not getting rid of the selectable zones. Like, you know how on The Island, if you spawn at the first spawn zone, and it puts you at that peninsula from the very first Ark trailer ("The Footpaw", I think it's called in-game)? I mean procedurally generating those points within the zones, so that you can't pinpoint the exact spot where you spawn and put kill boxes down

If they removed spawn zones, that'd be the dumbest thing lol

[vapid panther]

I hope ark 2 is different enough from ark 1 that i have to figure things out again.

[tropic crag]

Same here

[vague bolt]

Well from what I've read, it will be a completely different experience 🤣

[vapid panther]

Ahh. Sorry, misunderstood. Yeah, not specific spots would be great!

[stray elm]

Don't spawn zones also have like 3-4 sub-zones you can spawn in?
Cause I know with South-zone 1, I've spawned across the river from the Footpaw, and then sometimes on the beach near the rock-formations at South-zone 1

[vapid panther]

Island is kinda small. I expext ark2 to be huge. And some spawn zones on rag are huge.... and even took you from beach to mountain

[tropic crag]

Yeah, the zones are differently shaped than what is seen in the spawn menu

"Big glowy circle" is actually more like "literally anywhere on this beach, well into the other big glowy circle"

[stray elm]

Big glowy circle is more like deformed square, with each corner being a spawn zone

[vapid panther]

We're assuming we will respawn... could be permanent death. 🙂

[tropic crag]

But hopefully that is remedied with Ark 2, and the general area of the circle is a bit more fleshed out and explained

[stray elm]

Unironically hope a perma-death gamemode is better treated then in ARK-1.

[tropic crag]

(And also procedurally spawns you at almost any point in the defined shape)

[stray elm]

ARK-2 still needs slime-molds

[tropic crag]

It do be needin slime molds doe

I feel like the fact that someone at WC not only liked the idea but personally asked that the submission be kept in the last creature vote means something good for our slimy bois

But still I pray 🙏

[vague bolt]

The best assumption to be is that: you are going to wander around a portion of Planet Arat, which will be absolutely massive and many things will happen all at the same time everywhere, which does mean a bigger map is likely going to happen

[vapid panther]

I agree. I expect one huge map but they could do separate servers for regions. Effectively making the planet a cluster of servers. And go even further and block access to certain regions by level or need to complete a quest/ boss.

[vapid panther]

Slime mold that spawns from old kibble and starts eating all your good kibble and anything with power

[tropic crag]

I really hope they just do the same thing they have always done, but don't sign another exclusivity deal with Nitrado in regards to server hosting on Xbox and also have bigger maps that take longer to develop and stay away from the Atlas approach

[vapid panther]

I agree. Mutliple servers of same map gives more oppurtunity to find your perfect base site.

[stray elm]

I hope it wasn't some random dev also.
Someone like Jat or Jesse was like "ayo, this shits good"

[tropic crag]

I have a feeling I know who, but I'm not gonna say for the case of potentially being wrong

[untold ingot]

As long as there are more than a couple viable base spots on the map. That was (and is) ark1s biggest limitation imo

[stray elm]

......Mind DM'ing me who you 'think' it is?

[tropic crag]

Sure

[wintry urchin]

Imagine if ark had terraforming

Would be cool but abused so easily

[blissful perch]

I did - and I hate it

[wintry urchin]

Lol

[untold totem]

makes you wonder why most games with terraforming are predominantly PVE

[shadow plinth]

Ark 2 is all pve confirmed?

[astral token]

Look I don’t mean to be rude but, can you try to use your brain?

[shadow plinth]

Haven't seen any pvp trailers yet

The base game sounds related to pve

[steady vale]

wish we could get some form of in game generated images of actual assets instead of concepts, I understand wanting to keep things quiet and on the low but something is better than nothing, the amount of games announced post reveal of ark 2 that have shown significant progress. You ask for feedback and ideas but give us nothing to work off..

[untold ingot]

No, it's pvp/pve/sp confirmed

[tropic crag]

Please, don't become... him, but worse

We only just got rid of him

[shadow plinth]

He's still here

[astral token]

He’s gone

[split dove]

good riddance

[shadow plinth]

Why he keep posting bullshit posts

[stray elm]

Crabs confirmed to be lotus's alt-account?

[shadow plinth]

Me and him have nothing in common he's just posting bullshit comments everyday

So he's gone for good you say?

[split dove]

hopefully

[shadow plinth]

Who got rid of him

[split dove]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tropic crag]

He may have just up and left, we don't know

But praise the lord for no more random, bullshit posts 🙌

[worldly garden]

💩

[mystic axle]

Hi

[split dove]

no

[mystic axle]

I lost my character any anyone know how i get back its

[split dove]

#bobs-with-probs

[potent hull]

see what server he is on

[mystic axle]

1057 pve

[untold ingot]

It's confusing how you lost your character in an unreleased game 😂

[mystic axle]

My son created new one same server

Old one not show

[jagged anvil]

@mystic axle you are in the wrong chat room. Use BobsWithProbs

Nobody can help you in here

[vapid panther]

Go to the chat bobs-with-probs. They can help. This chat is for rhe new game

[mystic axle]

Thanks mate

[worldly garden]

I lost mine too, I was in the middle of ||taming Santiago.||

[potent hull]

i to lost my guy in ark but it was to gp he ceep him lock in his home on there my guy did not pay him money lol i joke gp i joke lol

[vapid panther]

How do you tame santiago? Beat him in a race? Or sit thru 15 hrs of him acting?

[potent hull]

jut say family

[neat fjord]

Is ark 2 out yet?????!

[vague bolt]

Or just have a family 🤣 ?

[split dove]

a 5 second google search would've told you, and no it's not out yet. the Ark franchise roadmap wich is being shared on March 31st could contain a release date, but that will only be for PC and Xbox series x/s as Wildcard has a timed exclusive deal with Xbox. Expect playstation some time after

[winged dome]

🍻

[lime flicker]

Not yet but just so you know it’s coming to Xbox and pc on launch, unknown when it will come to PS

[civic kite]

Who’s the bloke in ark 2 ment to be in the lore?

[fallow niche]

Santiago

[civic kite]

Same chap who helped kill Rockwell?

[vague bolt]

Can confirm he was aboard the Genesis and most likely had rigged Eden to separate upon arrival of a habitable planet

[untold ingot]

Uh, no, we did that

Santiago was in a cryo fridge

[covert tapir]

santiagos clone was in a cryo fridge, there are multiples bodies of one person no?

technically santiago extinction is a clone aswell or did i get that wrong

[untold ingot]

The Santiago referenced in the notes on gen2 happened prior to the events on the island

[covert tapir]

so the ships was already flying while helena etc were still on the island

and then on earth they did "beam me up scotty" to go to the ship no?

i dont know much about lore