ark-2

[past wind]

I would not like that 😂

[haughty ore]

atlas?

[blissful perch]

Primitive vs tek is an entirely separate conversation from easy to recover progress to hard to recover progress

[past wind]

Id rather see different biomes with different seasons

[untold ingot]

I think it would be a cool thing, periodically there actually are seasons that happen

[past wind]

🤫

[untold ingot]

I am fine with that, iff the map is gigantic

[past wind]

Yeah, that’s a requirement for this

[haughty ore]

the premise of atlas was cool but the thing was that to look for fights you had to actually search for them on the map. In ark you can just fuck around and find someone randomly

[past wind]

In smaller maps wouldn’t look good

[untold ingot]

My biggest pet peeve with ark maps is that the regions usually make 0 sense

[rare heart]

I doubt there would be different seasons depending on where you are

[untold ingot]

If there are hemispheres, sure, if not, then the season should be the same everywhere lol

[rare heart]

Seasons should def tie into natural disasters

if you want different hemispheres tuen you get the dry season

And since the carno concept shows a savannah biome you get wildfires

[blissful perch]

I’m fine with some biomes acting as a disincentive for building through natural disasters

[past wind]

I don’t know when you played it, but back in the earlier days, there were so much people playing it that was very common to engage on naval fights all the time. With time it’s population went down and things got boring.

[blissful perch]

Much like the extinction wasteland was “protected” from building due to meteors

[rare heart]

snowstorms? Like bruh

[past wind]

It’s just a matter of density of players

[haughty ore]

yeah launch was pretty fun but after it died down it was meh

just building on an island for eternity

[past wind]

Yeah, if Ark 2 is popular, a massive map wouldn’t be an issue

[rare heart]

You mean if servers could handle it

Who the hell wouldnt play ark 2

Only .5% of everyone who ever bought ark 1 still plays it

[past wind]

I don’t know. I’m no market analyst 😂

I don’t even know what exactly to expect from Ark 2

[rare heart]

The reality of ark 1 being everyone bought ark 1, realized it wasnt what they got because it was executed poorly, and dropped it

[past wind]

There’s not much info so far

[rare heart]

They have so much money bruh because it is very popular for being one of the best poop games ever made

why they are making a sequel AND a show

[untold ingot]

That's literally not what I see lol

[rare heart]

Bro

it is exactly that

[blissful perch]

I think there’s gonna be loss between ark 1 and 2 because of the combat style, third person only, etc. that will be made up for in returning or new players

[untold ingot]

The sales to player base ratio in ark is pretty similar to any game

[past wind]

TBF, Ark was a huge success. I wouldn’t say people dropped it. I mean, the all time max player count was back in 2022. More than 200k concurrent players.

Only on Steam

[untold ingot]

That was just steam numbers, ignoring Xbox and ps

And ark1 is hugely popular on both lol

[past wind]

That’s something most games won’t have after seven years

[haughty ore]

hopefully combat will not be as shit as ark 1 combat

[past wind]

And epic

[untold ingot]

I can't think of any game that has its highest player count after 7 years of a consistent player base lol

[rare heart]

This game came out in 2015 it is very old for what it is ur insane if you think it being maxed out in 2022 means anything

[past wind]

That’s my point

[haughty ore]

csgo

dota i believe

[untold ingot]

What it means is that the game isn't being discarded by players 🤪

[past wind]

There are games that are still popular after a decade, like gta and cs go, but their max concurrent player counts happened closer to their releases, not after several years

[past wind]

It means a lot, that’s the reason they are upgrading their engine

[rare heart]

It literally has idk where you get these high numbers steam only peaks at 40k average in a month

[untold ingot]

Um, steam peaks at 40-50k concurrent players at any given time

[past wind]

Average peak is different from all time peak

The all time concurrent players peak happened around Fjordur release

[rare heart]

the game has a great concept which entices a shit ton of ppl but they do it so bad its true potential over the years is lost

[past wind]

No doubt it could have been better, but by no means I would say people dropped Ark

Any studio would want this kind of “drop in numbers” 🤣

[rare heart]

Everyone hates this game i dont think there is a single real person ive talked to that likes this game because its such a lifestyle changer

This game operates at such a massive scale for how shit it is

[past wind]

It’s actually bad for people like me. I’m bored with Ark 1 and eagerly waiting for Ark 2. But there’s still too many people playing ark 1 and WC won’t drop it.

[rare heart]

yes

[past wind]

Man, I think you are very wrong on your assessment. And that’s not my opinion. That’s what the numbers tell me.

[rare heart]

bruh

You do not realize how massive the game has been in terms of gaining publicity

[untold ingot]

Ark is not and never will be a game that suits everyone. Expecting that is unrealistic and naive.

[rare heart]

it is so small now compared to the long and distant

[split dove]

as Bruising would say: ''that's a clown take''

[split dove]

Even Cedric said Ark 2 won't be for everyone, and that it's okay

[rare heart]

Duh, im just saying that but on average this game is not good

Its just that this game drew in massive amounts of people throughout its life with most disowning it because of its quality

[untold ingot]

Name a game that hasn't happened to

[rare heart]

More than ark? A lot

[untold ingot]

Ark1 is continuing to get new players, pretty much on a daily basis if this discord is anything to go off

[rare heart]

Most notably skyrim, or i guess fallout 4

[untold ingot]

Skyrim is maintaining a player count and gaining new players?

Isn't fallout a single player game?

[rare heart]

Yes

[rare heart]

No shit?

[untold ingot]

I don't know skyrim tbh

[rare heart]

Ark just has a much worse rate of maintaining

[untold ingot]

Because it requires effort over time, and a huge learning curve, and people don't like that

[rare heart]

A good game that captivated a lot of people. A good game is able to make a good amount of people like that type of game, but it can never be done with everybody i agree

I say skyrim because both have a goofy factor to it but arks is more derived from boredom than gameplay

[rare heart]

Effort is fine

When a game is basically selling your soul to the devil in terms of “skill” and gameplay its a little too much

[untold ingot]

Lol, what

Ark doesn't take that much skill lol

[split dove]

we've met your match, should we summon our own ''sane'' person?

[past wind]

I actually looked Steamcharts last month. The numbers are pretty much consistent over the years. I wouldn't say Ark lost its player base. Some people go, some people come.

[rare heart]

grinding Is better done when you can do it as your progressing through the game

Rather than needing to grind inorder to progress

[past wind]

Like I've said above, most studios would love this kind of trend

[rare heart]

You said learning curve? Pvp is fairly skill based in terms of tactics

[untold ingot]

Lol, what

[untold ingot]

Sure, but it's not really very hard to get into if you know the base game

[rare heart]

Ik

The effort is really the dumb part of the game

[untold ingot]

Nah, it's just an everyday weird take lol

[past wind]

Look at steamcharts. They have the average player count each month since the begining. You will see it's pretty consistent over time.

[untold ingot]

It literally takes not much effort, unless you are trying for alpha status

[rare heart]

What….. this game is notoriously bad in terms of effort

[untold ingot]

Yup, and for an old game consistency is literally the best thing you can haelve

[past wind]

I would love Ark 1 was less popular by now, because it would speed up things for Ark 2, but it's not the reality.

[rare heart]

Thats like the 2nd biggest thing this game is known for? Other than riding dinosaurs?

Like life wasting effort?

[twilit dust]

Can a join someone tribe

[untold ingot]

Because people are playing it wrong lol

[past wind]

Man, you are talking about personal tastes. We are talking about consistent player base.

[untold ingot]

The game isn't out yet, so not really 😂😂

[past wind]

I'm one of the people already tired of Ark 1, but I can see it's still popular.

[rare heart]

The majority of ppl play pvp no?

[untold ingot]

No

[past wind]

no

[rare heart]

What

[past wind]

majority play Unno PVE

[untold ingot]

It's a 60/40 split with more pve than pvp

[past wind]

officials are a small fraction of the player base

[rare heart]

hmmm

from what i understand official pvp was more or less the original default gamemode though right?

[past wind]

no

there were day one PVE servers

I remember this because I tried both

[untold ingot]

For pvp sure, and it still is, for pvp

[past wind]

I had chars on PVE and PVP servers

[past wind]

There were PVE servers day one

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I am aware

[rare heart]

pve is like… fine, still boring since this game operates from getting its fun from pvp

[untold ingot]

That's why I said "for pvp" lol

[rare heart]

Idk how anyone plays straight pve

[untold ingot]

By enjoying the game?

[rare heart]

but pvp is takes too much effort.

[past wind]

Again, it's a matter of personal tastes

[rare heart]

There isnt enough game

[past wind]

I like PVP more, but the numbers say otherwise

[untold ingot]

No more than rust, or any other game with a similar setup

[haughty ore]

ark 1 pvp consists of smallest body size, movement speed build and just throwing bolas

[untold ingot]

Lol, no

[rare heart]

I didnt play rust

[past wind]

Of course there's

[rare heart]

mmm

Breeding i guess

[past wind]

People on PVE pretty much do breeding lines and go for events

[opaque ferry]

Is this ark 2 chat or am I bugged

[rare heart]

Pve is like half the game without some form of pvp

[past wind]

I believe Ark 2 will have a lot more PVE content

[untold ingot]

9 or 10 maps, hundreds of di os you can tame, more than a dozen bosses, gen1 and gen2 missions, caves. There is a lot that can be done, even if you don't count building

[past wind]

because Aratai will be an important PVE force

[rare heart]

I know Thats what it needs to be

[untold ingot]

Imo pve content makes pvp better

[rare heart]

More content

I want that more than what we have rn

[split dove]

another benefit from Aratai is that it will feel like there is some ''pvp esc'' action for pve players

[rare heart]

as long as i cant pick and choose certain world events itll be good

and like… the ai is better

[past wind]

Yeah, that's one of the things Im really excited to know more about

[opaque ferry]

I think the AI will have to be better if they plan on implementing dark souls esc combat

[rare heart]

I think aratai should still be in pvp though

[untold ingot]

This is why I am leaving the pvp scene lol. The feeling of fighting things is fun, but being able to do it casually is better

[past wind]

First trailer could be the devs attacking an Aratai camp. Just saying

[split dove]

the events will happen wether you are there or not, it's not like current Ark 1 missions where you have to be there for it to start

[rare heart]

feels way more immersive and engaging if aratai can attack/raid whenever

[untold ingot]

They probably will be. I have no doubt they will be trivialized thougb

[opaque ferry]

imagine the aratai raiding your base while another tribe is also raiding you

[rare heart]

Yeah i agree but i mean like
Natural disasters
Ai raids happen when they want to

Instead of like how missions work now

[untold ingot]

Aratai are going to be bots, don't expect them to perform amazingly against a well built base lol

[rare heart]

like dinosaur stampedes happen whenever instead of it being a mission

[past wind]

That's what I want, but they still need to give us the details. LOL

[rare heart]

i doubt thatll happen honestly

[past wind]

Still, it would be great to have this kind of attack

[rare heart]

i wouldnt mind it though if the aratai could intercept raiders

if the aratai could interfere with human raiders too then im for it

[split dove]

The ai will be a lot better and not as cheesable
''No omnipresent radar -- animals now track and hunt by sight, sound, and smell! Hide from predators with visual camouflage and environmental obstructions, and learn to mask your scent! Dynamic pathfinding enables creatures to intelligently maneuver around obstacles and player-built structures.''

[rare heart]

Hopefully dinosaur kits are better

If every dinosaur is fleshed out like newer ark 1 creatures then itll be good

[past wind]

That's sad, how can I tame my first raptor if it can avoid obstacles?!

[opaque ferry]

bola

[rare heart]

because like 80% of the actual dinosaurs in the game are just stat meatbags

[past wind]

yeah, hopefully there will be bolas day one LOL

[rare heart]

and are practically overshadowed by the fantasy creatures or newer dinos

Id imagine every form of primitive ark 1 item will be in the game up until metal tools but no guns

[past wind]

I doubt all creatures from Ark 1 will make it to Ark 2, if it is want you mean

[opaque ferry]

Guns might be heavily end game like tek

[lavish rain]

Ark 2 revolutionizes survival genre

[rare heart]

but they’ll have weapon variety since that concept, feels like monster hunter now

[opaque ferry]

If you have to build your weapons out of parts I can imagine that guns would be harder to make

[lavish rain]

Tek scrap gun would be satisfactory, a tuned m4a1 that is built with tek parts, and shoots bullets made of tek scrap, but isn't actually tek

[rare heart]

Yeah i agree but if they have useful kits im all for it

Im pretty sure the roster will only be base game dinos and aliens

[lavish rain]

Is there a game that has had component based gun crafting, as advertised by the game?

[rare heart]

and like…. Maybe gen 2 creatures but probably not

I think all the fantasy creatures will not make a return

[opaque ferry]

No idea

[split dove]

anything that was on the eden biome from gen 2 can return, not like that ring is crashed on Arat

[rare heart]

Id imagine flintlock esc functioning weapons are more likely than actual guns

[lavish rain]

No I think there will be a few fantasy creatures, especially later in dlcs, I don't see then adding dinosaurs in a dlc, which if I recall they never did in a paid dlc, only in free dlc

[opaque ferry]

I like the dinos and all but I still wanna know the purpose of the flower chameleon

from the first trailer

[rare heart]

if its actually that small ill like it

[past wind]

Actually anything can return. Everything. It's up to the devs. THey can just say some creatures were on crios or something like that.

[rare heart]

Small dinos in ark are overscaled because the game cant handle it

[past wind]

What do you mean?

[opaque ferry]

They look meganuera sized

[past wind]

what dinos were overscaled?

[rare heart]

I dont see why they wouldnt add some dinosaurs if the environment suits it

[rare heart]

Any shoulder pet because it would break the game

[lavish rain]

It's an alien planet

[rare heart]

If ark 2 is like ark one that lizard probably wont be that small

[past wind]

They have added new dinos through normal updates or new maps. They can do like that again.

[rare heart]

If its actually in the game

Like i REALLY hope they dont do creature votes

[opaque ferry]

It could be a collectable

[untold ingot]

Small dinos wouldn't break the game lol

[rare heart]

This communities taste is absolute garbage + cc corruption

[past wind]

most shoulder pets are fantasy creatures, but the dimorphodon size seems ok

[rare heart]

Thats fine

im just saying the game couldnt handle like micro creatures

[untold ingot]

People like dino votes, I bet they will come back in some form or other

[untold ingot]

Why not?

[past wind]

What micro creature you mean?

troodons, microraptors etc are small

[rare heart]

They vote for the dumbest/most cliche shit imaginable

[past wind]

you want bacterias to be a thing?

[opaque ferry]

I think micro is like actual small flies or bees

[rare heart]

No like, rodents, snakes lizards

[untold ingot]

And? They have all turned out pretty well so far

[rare heart]

Like realistically sized things

[past wind]

bees are there, but they were huge in the past

[rare heart]

The cool ones were cc corrupted

[opaque ferry]

The small bees in ark are 2d images

[rare heart]

desmodus and monkey are cool

And are only in the game because cc’s used their power to get it ik the game because they have a brain

[untold ingot]

There is nothing in the engine or the game code prohibiting small creatures. They usually aren't small because you have to interact with them. Just look at fjordhawk babies for micro creatures lol

[past wind]

If they aren't tamable, they better save computing power. It's just an animation to the beehive.

[rare heart]

I know

Thats exactly what i mean, it just doesnt work that well

[past wind]

It was meant to run on 2015 PCs

[opaque ferry]

ya ik I was just listing micro creatures

[untold ingot]

It was the sinomocrops and carcha influenced by content creators lol, the monkey was a meme, and the desmo was legit

[rare heart]

they wont do that because itll look and function very weird

the monkey was influenced by up from the depths no?

[past wind]

The thing is, most pre-historical creatures were huge (talking about really old ages).

[rare heart]

I think sino is fine creature

[untold ingot]

For having as a tame sure. There is nothing in the game that prohibits having small creatures though. And Ue5 will definitely help that even more

[tropic crag]

Swap carcharo and monke

[past wind]

Besides bacterias and all, things were huge

[opaque ferry]

ik lol I have nothing against it

[rare heart]

Yeah thats what i thought monkey was from upfromthedepths

[untold ingot]

Monkey is from a meme

[rare heart]

Monkey is designed by a cc

Wdym

[untold ingot]

It's more because of the monkey nfts than a content creator plugging it

[tropic crag]

Yeah, and Neddy a lil bit once the goat was behind enough, he always abandons that dang thing at some point 😂

[untold ingot]

So because someone makes videos they can't have ideas for a creature vote?

[rare heart]

no?

Im just saying a vote is dumb when ppl use their influence to vote for something

[tropic crag]

Who told you that? It definitely was NOT popular because of NFTs LMAO

[untold totem]

Tbh the meme and big buzz words made the creatures won

CoughSky gigaUncough

[untold ingot]

Isn't that where the monke meme came from?

[rare heart]

Community votes are just dumb and ppl dont know whats best for them sometimes

[tropic crag]

Not the one in the vote... I mean there's plenty of monke memes out there, maybe you're just confused

[untold ingot]

The only issue is when you have people who don't play ark voting on it. Imo it should be an ingame vote rather than open on the internet, but thsts just me lol

[rare heart]

Carchar and “sky giga” are toddler choices

[untold ingot]

I don't know memes. I know that the monke was a meme

[rare heart]

Yeah

Minecraft votes are horrendous

Thought i think sino, monkey, and bat were fine for the game though

[untold ingot]

It engages the community, gets people excited, and wildcard has enough talent to make people's dumb ideas into something good

[untold totem]

Charchar is WC's choice tho

Just like the Sino

[rare heart]

carchar is whatever, bIg CaRNiVOrE eAtS gigas

And then sky giga….

[tropic crag]

Can't wait for the Rhyniognatha

[rare heart]

Sky giga. the epitome of prehistoric animals are only for kids

[split dove]

better than the 2 saber reskins that made it to the last top 10 somehow

[rare heart]

A giant bug that does everything

[untold ingot]

They have been pretty clear that the dinos functions and descriptions in the creature vote doesn't mean that that is what will be added

[rare heart]

Nah, giant cheetah wouldve been insane

[untold totem]

The community winner is the Monkey (with no guns), a glorified onyc (that broke the map), and some bug's head with way too high expectations

[rare heart]

I even think saber should replace thyla entirely in ark 2

[tropic crag]

L take

[rare heart]

Nah

Ark creatures are so overrated now

[tropic crag]

Thyla way cooler, we need some marsupial rep in Ark 2

[rare heart]

Thyla had its moment

Give me an actual smilodon

[untold totem]

Not really, it's miniscule IRL

[rare heart]

Im not saying delete it, just switch their roles

400 pound wombat < 2000 pound saber cat

[untold ingot]

Gen2 vibes anyone?

[tropic crag]

Still wish we got the plantable version 🥲

[rare heart]

like i literally think ark design chocies are overrated and need to be Changed

IE giga mostly….

[untold ingot]

I am hoping that ark2 defenses are more plant based

[untold totem]

That is why ARK 2 set in an alien planet is a best set for creative creatures that is not bound to reality like dinos

[tropic crag]

Look at the concept art, that's literally already happening lol

[rare heart]

Ppl dont realize you can have creative designs without being cliche 💀

[rare heart]

Yeah i know

the ones released look good

The fact they have brachi is fixing that creature design issue

brachi is just ultimately better than bronto and titano

And fuses the sauropods into one

Brachi was a good choice

[untold ingot]

Brachi was already a thing though lol

[rare heart]

carno? Perfect

[untold totem]

Using IRL is creatively limiting when comes to abilities

Daeodon, Amarga, and Desmo are too fantastical

[rare heart]

? Ark additions?

[untold ingot]

Yeah

[rare heart]

And?

Still peak over titano and bronto?

and not the official game?

As much as we want it to?

Just hoping giga isnt stupid

[untold totem]

Brachi is official

No confirmation on titano and Bronto ever existing in ARK 2

[tropic crag]

But back to the point of miniscule dinos, I think that the leaf lizard (if tamable) is a great example, it looks to be no bigger than the baby size of the glowtail, and I like that

[rare heart]

The mod is not the official game?

[untold ingot]

Ark additions brachi in the base game would make everyone in the world rage quit immediately lkl

[tropic crag]

If it works for the baby glowtail, it should work otherwise imo

[untold totem]

The concept art for Brachi saids it's official

[rare heart]

omg

No shit but were talking in an ark 1 sense

[untold totem]

We are in ARK 2 chat

[lavish rain]

You are all deranged

[untold ingot]

Beat me to it lol

[untold totem]

There is no normal here

[rare heart]

You dont know what we were talking about then

[lavish rain]

Time to clean house

[rare heart]

Yes but it is cool

[untold ingot]

Somehow dinos being cliche because they are popular in ark1?

[untold totem]

Clearly we are off topic

[untold ingot]

I disagree

[rare heart]

No just the designs being copy paste in general

and also old game that should renew their dinosaurs and make them into something new

So, yes

[untold totem]

Welcome to carnivorous theropoda where nothing looks unique

[rare heart]

Mostly giga

[untold ingot]

They did redo stegos lol

[untold ingot]

They added a new one

[rare heart]

Yeah thats ok

[rare heart]

You can be unique

[untold totem]

Stenkrosaurus lol

[untold ingot]

Changing too much in creatures late in the games development cycle isn't a good thing lol

[rare heart]

People fail to realize dino games in general have the lack of ability to think outside the box

like, the isle

[untold ingot]

Lol, whay

[untold totem]

Aside from literal reskin?

[rare heart]

Yeah

its a fucking video game they can do anything with it either making it better or worse

why its stupid as shit in ark 1

[untold totem]

Because games like The Isle are leaning towards scientific accuracy unlike ARK which is science fiction

[rare heart]

Bro

No, clearly you havent looked at the isle

nothing is accurate

[untold totem]

It's a dino murder sim

[untold ingot]

The isle lost dev support and people support

Either way, it's not wildcard lol

[rare heart]

i refer to that game because they also continue to make stupid obvious bland decisions

[lavish rain]

Attention sane ark 2 chatters, I suggest we defuse the situation and retreat to the hideout

[untold totem]

I don't get it and we are still off topic

[rare heart]

Not that ark 2 is

Its not offtopic

[untold totem]

[split dove]

🚪 🏃‍♂️

[rare heart]

Its basic creature design that ties into talking about ark 2 creature designs

You are just being deaf

Which is why im hoping that ARK 2 giga isnt dumb like in ark 1

[untold totem]

I told you already

ARK 2 being in a different planet gives opportunity for WC to make far more unique creatures instead of same bland dinosaurs

[rare heart]

Yeah i agree

i was never arguing with that way of thinking

its just that these games play into tropes too much in their design

[untold totem]

Being exclusive to dinos only stunted potential uniqueness and limiting potentially good game gimmicks

[rare heart]

i think devs could do better in their design

[untold ingot]

On recent dinos they definitely have lol

[untold totem]

I mean look how people loved the non-dinosaur creatures in Ab, Ext, Gen 1 &2

[untold ingot]

The ones you mentioned as bad design are like 8 years old

[rare heart]

yeah

I think the excuse of limiting dinosaurs to accuracy for this game is, whatever

[orchid flume]

When will ark 2 release?

[untold totem]

I doubt it of the template itself is limiting

Let me ask you this, be in WC's shoes

How can you make a charchar look different to their cousin, the giga without monsterfy it?

[rare heart]

8 years

[split dove]

atm just 2023, we might have a more specific date with the development roadmap coming this month

[orchid flume]

Tnx

[rare heart]

-Dont have the charca since they are the same

-extrude other features giga has other than its fake size like its crest. Usable arms

-center it around being anti large rather than being large. IE bleed etc, packs.

There are only really 3 carnivore plans you could have to keep diversity

Rex
Spinosaurus
Giga

[untold totem]

Ye but the community voted for it, you have no choice

[rare heart]

And giga could still be bigger than rex. It just doesnt need to be like 8 stories tall

[rare heart]

For ark 2, i highly doubt charchar is coming

lets be real

[untold totem]

So does the giga, your point?

[rare heart]

Uh

No? Even i can recognize giga is a staple of ark

[lavish rain]

Since when

[untold totem]

And it's not in ARK 2... (Yet)

[rare heart]

like saying dilo wont be in ark 2

[untold totem]

The shield in the concept art stated otherwise

[rare heart]

Im not even going to explain

[rare heart]

Shield?

Wdym

[untold totem]

Have you been watching in the #announcements lately?

Literally, all you have to do is look in the community crunch lol

[rare heart]

Um….

Yeah i know ive been following

[untold totem]

Dilo is confirmed

[rare heart]

Ok….

That agrees with my point?

[lavish rain]

Just because it's popular in ark 1 dosenr mean it'll be in ark 2

[untold totem]

[rare heart]

Im confused why you said that

it sounded like you said dilo wasnt gonna be in ark 2

[untold totem]

No, you said that

[untold totem]

Like bruh

[astral token]

I think it was an example

Saying Giga won’t be in ARK II is like saying Dilo in ARK II

Average communication gap

[lavish rain]

Wow aroy coming in clutch for us

[rare heart]

Im like going back and forth here

Just assume the iconic dinosaurs/base game dinosaurs are highly likely

I doubt any dlc or charchar will be in the game, atleast not for a while

[lavish rain]

Rock Drake at launch

[untold totem]

I prefer a new roster with few dinos and more unique creatures

[past wind]

Me too. But some old dinos are already confirmed, and I'm fine with that.

The most famous dinos will get their way to Ark 2

[lavish rain]

Rock Drake in ark 2 or else

[tropic crag]

Only if he sings Hotline Bling

And doesn't groom any of the dinos

[split dove]

[tropic crag]

But yeah, I don't really care for the take of "all the dinos should be 100% accurate but also unique at the same time", I think that's just outdated and lazy. If anything, what they did with most of the dinos in the first game was exactly that; they were all relatively accurate, with one or two changes for gameplay and/or creativity reasons

[lavish rain]

"Relatively accurate"

[split dove]

and seemingly they will continue that trend in Ark 2

[tropic crag]

Not to mention, they literally can't change the design every time a dinosaur has new info found out about it, that'd just kill the game real fast. The Spinosaurus is a great example, that thing's overall historically accepted patterns, diet, tail use, etc. has changed like 30 times since Ark 1 was released, we can't expect them to keep up with things like that

[past wind]

Spino is almost a huge alligator

People wouldn't like the change

[haughty ore]

Have they said anything about that tweet that said the next ARK 2 news would be gameplay?

[past wind]

I mean, they went the Jurassic Park 3 way, making it a bipedal

[lavish rain]

Yeah, people were being whiney and impatient so they ditched it and started dropping concept art, if you ask me though, it's a rare whiner W

We have intel now

[split dove]

they only kinda w they will ever have, the only reason it's kinda a w is bc we got more stuff

[tropic crag]

Which is what I prefer, anyways. Base it on popular media, it'll gain more fans, simple as

[past wind]

TBF, WC is always overpromising and underdelivering

[haughty ore]

true, how foolish of me to expect them to stick to their word

[past wind]

They shouldn't promisse something they would take months to publish (the gameplay footage).

[haughty ore]

that tweet was back in Novemeber iirc

hopefully the roadmap will give us some nice info

[tropic crag]

Like the Reaper, they rode on the fact that it's pretty much the Xenomorph from Alien, and that worked out very well

[past wind]

Yeah, but they've changed it a while ago. The gameplay will be published when it's possible.

[haughty ore]

did they say something about correcting the tweet or something? or just ignored it, i havent kept up

[lavish rain]

What should we do if roadmap dosent drop this week

[past wind]

Me too, but Raq will say otherwise.

[split dove]

wait like normal people?

[lavish rain]

No

We have to do somthing

[haughty ore]

roadmap is gonna drop and give us a 2024/5 release date

[tropic crag]

Dunk you in a vat of radioactive goo, like the secret ending of Fallout 1?

[past wind]

Wait another week

[lavish rain]

What is it with you and fallout

[lavish rain]

Hell no

[tropic crag]

I like the game, what can I say. One of the best franchises out there, easily

[past wind]

So, what do you plan to do?

tag the devs and curse them?

[tropic crag]

Probably drink himself to sleep

[lavish rain]

Marsupial mutation

[tropic crag]

My guess, anyways

[tropic crag]

The only good part of 76

[rare heart]

They should just keep spino relatively the same with some new things

Accurate spino as of now is nothing really special

just a stork more or less

[past wind]

I want it stronger, at least a buff in water

[winged dome]

🍻

[past wind]

I want it to rivalize the Rex

[covert tapir]

probably more like a glass canon since the sail actually makes it very frail no?

i always thought sail damaged = dead spino irl

[haughty ore]

what is that supposed to mean

[lavish rain]

It's an inside joke

[rare heart]

I dont think spino should beat rex unless its around water

[lavish rain]

L take

[rare heart]

get ur jp bullshit outta here

[lavish rain]

Whe

[rare heart]

Billboard duck does squat against rex in any way

[untold ingot]

I like the idea of regional apexes

[lavish rain]

What the fuck

[rare heart]

if anything make spino the rex of the sea

[rare heart]

This

[untold ingot]

Spinos don't go to sea lol

[covert tapir]

spino wasnt a water monster my dude

[split dove]

more like a river monster

[rare heart]

i know but thats the only way its gonna be reasonable

not sea i should add just water in general

[covert tapir]

maybe there will be no spino at all

[untold ingot]

Spino is too popular to get scrapped imo

[rare heart]

Realistically yes, spino is a bank dweller, new evidence suggests it didnt even swim at all

[past wind]

You apparently have no idea what moves this community

[rare heart]

Its dumb and childish

[past wind]

Jurassic park stuff are welcome here

[covert tapir]

true but as you can tell by this convo it does not have a niche for it to be

i mean did anyone even tame spinos in ark ?

[rare heart]

jurassic park is bad now have you not noticed

[past wind]

It’s safe to say this is your opinion

[covert tapir]

unless when they were a noob

[lavish rain]

🤨

[rare heart]

Yes

[untold ingot]

Yeah lol, they are meta on ab and in boosted wipe servers

[past wind]

I like accurate Dinos, but most people like Jurassic park stuff

[covert tapir]

ok idk about pvp

[past wind]

And they will be there in ark 2

[rare heart]

Idc if its accurate or a fantasy creature

But atleast make it fun and engaging

I just want a fun character

[covert tapir]

the only reason id tame a spino is to fight alpha karkinos

[untold ingot]

I tamed spinos even in pve. Just not for bosses

[past wind]

JP stuff are funny

[rare heart]

that makes relative sense and doesnt like negate other characters in a game

[untold ingot]

Spinos are fast rexes, there is no reason not to have one. Just not good for dry boss arenas

[past wind]

Accurate spino is just an alligator with steroids

[rare heart]

more like a stork

mans sucks at swimming

[past wind]

JP spino is the king

[rare heart]

why i think ark spino should stay, relatively the same

But better abilities

[untold ingot]

There should be regional apexes though, rexes for plains, spino for marsh and river, theri for forest, yuti for snow/mountain etc

[past wind]

That’s what I’ve said above, I guess

[rare heart]

ik

[past wind]

I want it stronger

[past wind]

That would be awesome

Also “seasonal creature” like bears won’t show up in winter season

[rare heart]

I think yuty should be heavily downsized and jot necessarily be the apex

[covert tapir]

wowowo 🤚 hold it right there, no marsh or anything swamp like thank you

[rare heart]

yuty should be relatively the same too

[covert tapir]

pls for the sake of my character

[rare heart]

Yuty should be a lot smaller

Keep the roar buff but favor speed and a smaller size since theres no point for it to be bigger than a rex

and allow it to be dealth with easier in a pvp sense

IE no ones using yutys to kill stuff directly why is it so big xd

[untold ingot]

Yuti are ridiculously easy to be dealt with, like what

[split dove]

it's also not bigger than a rex

[rare heart]

it is

[lavish rain]

Yuty is dogshit outside its buff

[ripe cedar]

I mean it has same health as rex faster speed but yeah less dps

[split dove]

oh yeah i forgot that the thing ''bigger'' than a rex can go inside small dino gates, while a rex can't

[rare heart]

so whats the point of it being so big

[ripe cedar]

big = more awesomer obviously

[covert tapir]

are you asking why evolution makes things big

[rare heart]

Ark has nothing to do with evolution buddy

[ripe cedar]

yeah it really does not

[rare heart]

and yuty was fairly small irl

[ripe cedar]

not in the animal term at least

[covert tapir]

without us evolving noone would have made ark 😮 , what you say about that huh

[rare heart]

nOOOOO

[covert tapir]

ok im sorry

[ripe cedar]

without any of us evolving we would have way less pointless conversations in this discord channel

[rare heart]

trve

Ppl forget this chat is only for nonsense because there is no actual game yet

[covert tapir]

wdym we are the only people that do conversations here

it would be like the animated series channel

[rare heart]

there are entire discords like this

[covert tapir]

[rare heart]

(The isle)

[tropic forge]

🍿

[rare heart]

Like if there was an actual game no one would be debating

but thats all you can do cause ark 2 is just a concept

[covert tapir]

huh

once this game drops i am outta here dont know bout you

[rare heart]

duh

what i just said

[lavish rain]

Do you think we will see concept art or roadmap this week, it would be disastrous if they did neither

[rare heart]

Idk

[covert tapir]

we just got a concept art

[rare heart]

im hoping dlcs are just new regions and not like…. Other planets or some dumb shit

[covert tapir]

i doubt it

[lavish rain]

Dosent mean they won't drop new stuff

[covert tapir]

i think there will be a week of nothing before roadmap drops

so we are hungry and excited for information

[lavish rain]

That dosent work on us

We will tweak out if they don't drop new stuff

We have been hungry and excited for 3 years

[untold ingot]

I mean, I had breakfast

[rare heart]

Literally do anything

[stray elm]

As cool as the concept arts are. I'm not 'excited' for anything until we see gameplay and a definitive release-date.

[split dove]

just over 2 years, but we need to make this more dramatic

[covert tapir]

what did you eat

[lavish rain]

Yeah basically

[untold ingot]

My hopes and dreams

[covert tapir]

damn so not a lot huh

you lying about being full

[untold ingot]

Nah I just ate a sandwich

[covert tapir]

nice

[stray elm]

I'm eating shredded wheat.

[covert tapir]

im eating peanuts rn

who of you got an allergy to those things

[untold ingot]

That sounds miserable, condolences

[stray elm]

Fuck off, I love shredded wheat

[covert tapir]

honestly sounds fun

[lavish rain]

Like the cereal

[lavish rain]

Nobody of value does

[covert tapir]

this convo is drifting off

you guys think peanuts will be in ark 2

cause noone likes rockkarots

[untold ingot]

Who else can't stand cereal?

[lavish rain]

Corn flakes are the shit, but that's for another convo

[stray elm]

I can't stand overly sugared cereal

[south lance]

i only eat super sugery cereal

[stray elm]

Disgusting

[south lance]

i have to eat all the sugar to make up for the diabetics not eating enough

[split dove]

burn Bada on a pire right now

[lavish rain]

Back on topic...

[covert tapir]

what? thats not how diabetis works

[lavish rain]

Hurry before the mods come

[south lance]

im single handedly saving the sugar industry

[stray elm]

That's not how they work, but ight

[south lance]

it is how it works

[stray elm]

Actually, hang on.
Are we talking about Type-A or B?

[covert tapir]

no

[south lance]

because i said so

[split dove]

''You are getting off topic''

[tropic forge]

there's like 300 msg to be deleted even then not sure if this ever gets to topic 🤣

[twilit sky]

Hahah well starting now

Ark 2

[covert tapir]

they need a mass delete button for you guys haha

[tropic forge]

you gotta put the lizard plant pic to be on topic

[twilit sky]

We can purge but no need just go back to ark 2 please XD or use general

[tropic forge]

ho we definitly want to go back to ark 2 but we cant find the game 😢

[drowsy jackal]

I cant Wait for the realese Date

[south lance]

i cant wait to bob around on a raptor in ark 2 guys !!

im gonna name him 2pac

[potent hull]

i still cant believe we are still on ark 2 not ark 3 yet lol

[south lance]

i dont like water too much it scares me 😭

i would like better sizing unironically tho

[lavish rain]

The whole point of ark is to redefine survival genre

[south lance]

everythings too fat atm

[south lance]

they are redefining it into sandbox pvp

😌

[covert tapir]

dinosaurs were way fatter irl no?

[south lance]

nah

[covert tapir]

like they are big choncks no

[south lance]

well, some dinos are proportioned ok

like bronto is probably fine

maybe it had a thicker neck irl

but rex is way too fat i think

also everything is supersized

[past wind]

Actually the new idea of accurate rex should be fatter

Because of “Sue”

[lavish rain]

Then what's the point of a giga

And then what's the point of spino

[drowsy jackal]

I think the dinos will have a more realistic Style and hight

[blissful nest]

ngl, I don't think ARK 2 is gonna be as good as ARK 1, I mean, the designs for the dinos are sick, don't get me wrong is just that it's turning to like, an rpg game, which isn't wrong, it's just that it's a really big jump from the ARK I first person survival experience, then again, could just be me

[split dove]

probably just you

[past wind]

Im excited for the changes

[split dove]

same, it's good to see some refreshing changes to some lacking ones currently in Ark

[past wind]

Even WC knows it’s not a game for everybody. But maybe it will embrace more people than the first game. Or not. We will have to wait and see.

Ark 1 isn’t for everybody also.

[stray elm]

It's just you

ARK is already an RPG.

[blissful nest]

Yeah, I know it's just that there's just something about ARK 2 that just doesn't get to me, who knows, might change in the future

[stray elm]

Aye, to be fair I have a fear that ARK-2 wont have the technology progression that made ARK what it is, so there's that.

[past wind]

Yeah, I’m with you here.

[thick moat]

It's just the stats aspect though no?

[stray elm]

That's still an RPG

[past wind]

I know most people don’t like tek and all. But I hope they can bring it back in a more balanced form

[thick moat]

It's a mix between sandbox and rpg and that's what wildcard is trying to do with ark 2 too

[split dove]

scrap metal

[stray elm]

Fuck it, give us 'tech'
Tek, but renamed to 'tech'
Then technically they didn't bring back 'tek'

[past wind]

Yeah, I’m curious really 😂

[thick moat]

Lul

[past wind]

Not tek, it’s tech

But they should wait a while

[thick moat]

I like how they hid the tek metal naming of the material on the sketches of the shields 😂

[past wind]

2 - 3 years

[silent sable]

[stray elm]

Yeah, I did notice that after a bit.

There's a little text saying 'tek' on the bottom right of the new weapon showcase

[mint swan]

The customization looks so badass

[vapid panther]

Perhaps the tek can just be remnants of the ship. Stationary tools that you can journey to and use while there.

[tropic crag]

It'd have to be a safezone, and we already know the takes on those

[thick moat]

i hope there is no safe zone tbh

[thick moat]

most likely it will be something that you could get late into the game, depends on how dangerous the ship is, maybe it has some defense units

[humble onyx]

Would be nice to have extremely difficult areas like on extinction with the corrupt mountain thing where basically no matter how much you prepare, it is always massively risky going there

[tropic crag]

I hope there is a safezone, maybe even village with the questgiver NPCs and the like and that it's done well

Personally, I like how Rust does it

[thick moat]

yeeeah Rust is well done, it fits into the world and it isn't just you can't hit any one because MAGIC!

[vapid panther]

Small tek tools like smithy in safe zones. But smelters and such in hard to reach/ survive areas.

[tropic crag]

And there's repercussions for your actions, which I like

You get flagged for long periods of time and are shot on sight if you PvP in the safezones

[thick moat]

That's too reaching imo

it's better for it to maybe learn basics, practice combat and somewhere to start out

[tropic crag]

Maybe on the servers you play on, on the ones I was on, you could farm in the safezones if you wished and the time added up the more penalties you incurred

Perhaps, last I played was about the same time, maybe a bit less if anything

I do think that but tweaked could work wonders for Ark 2 though, if safezones are going to be a thing

[rare heart]

Arent beaches like “safezones” or were supposed to be

Idk how youd stop that other than finding a way to somehow turn off player damage and building on beaches/safezones

Seems very hard to do unless its like a spawn point with a immune to damage radius

Do u mean like

As a spawn point or somewhere you can get to that is a safezone

I guess so

Idk about a town though

Maybe natural structures scattered across the map that fit like 1 group of ppl at a time

like small safe caves or something

grottos even

A town seems like it can be exploited

Yes

[untold ingot]

Personally I am not a fan of safezones

I think of there isn't an op ranged meta then it shouldn't be too much of an issue anyway

Unless auto turrets are a thing

[rare heart]

I doubt it idk

Auto turrets are i think is arks most mind numbing pvp feature

other than uh….. idk tek itself

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I am hoping for a better way

[rare heart]

Yeah it was too good in most cases

and emphasized pvp into that no life stigma

[untold ingot]

Not being able to move around a highly populated map because every Bob and their uncle has a turret trap in random spots

[rare heart]

depends

idk i think i only remember raiding the dumb ratholes and meta spots

and that too turret traps ruining entire early-mid game playthroughs

[untold ingot]

Yeah, which is why I think some heavy duty plant/npc defenses should be a thing. But things like battery heavies to camp everywhere is just dumb

[rare heart]

idk i feel like bases should be unraidable when X amount of tribe members out of the total are on

And a way to be able to tell if a base is raidable without like being cheesy?

Or just simply not allow ppl to build in places that give them an absurd/insane advantage in a crevace

[untold ingot]

It takes the skill out of open world combat, at least in a surprise fight

[untold ingot]

No base should be unraidable , regardless of the playercount.

[rare heart]

mmm idk

If it isnt life wasting time to replace the stuff then yes

in a default game

and if its a pretty primitive tech, tames might be more valuable then most resources

[untold ingot]

If a base can be made unraidable there is no point in playing the game

[rare heart]

depends on when you can raid it

[untold ingot]

Lol what.

[rare heart]

Idk i think theres ways to do it but to me its too complex in my brain

im fine with bases being raidable whenever, as long as im not spending days getting basic stuff back

Not tames though

[untold ingot]

Are we talking 1 or 2

[rare heart]

2

[untold ingot]

Because in 1 it takes literally hours to get stuff back lol

[rare heart]

Yeah hours

Obviously end game levels should take a long time to gain back but if i can somewhat recuperate fully from getting a basic level base destroyed itd be fine

for ark 2

Mostly against players

[untold ingot]

You don't lose levels, and any moderately skilled player can come back within hours

In ark1,

I see no reason why that should be different in ark2

[rare heart]

because it doesnt seem as like technology advanced in ark 1 due to its world building

[untold ingot]

If you are playing pvp in a persistent world survival game, you will get wiped, and you will have to rebuild. Having it be easy to rebuild completely makes it pointless

[untold ingot]

The player base will be mostly the same, the game style will be mostly the same. Just because it will be primative themed does not mean that it will be more forgivinf

[rare heart]

i dont think it will be the same gameplay loop

or…. Not function the same as now

Same premise approached in a different way

[untold ingot]

How do you anticipate it to be different lol?

[rare heart]

from how ive read it’s page

[untold ingot]

If it's a persistent world pvp where bases can be raided, you better believe that they will be lol

Nuance in gameplay does not change the fact that pvp will be unforgiving if you aren't either good enough or smart enough to deal with other players

[rare heart]

it feels different though im not saying it wont have that loop but it sounds like it doesnt function like ark 1

[south lance]

depends on what youre rebuilding

[untold ingot]

A standard pvp base and an arsenal of gear and tames

[south lance]

it should be easy to get into the pvp, it should be hard to get to some advanced point that for some reason is important

[rare heart]

yeah

[south lance]

becoming alpha could be that reference ig

[untold ingot]

Having a relatively safe base should take work to get

[south lance]

sure

[rare heart]

if everyone has the same playing field and cant take advantage of landscapes in cartoonish ways then yeah

[untold ingot]

At no point should it be unraidable just because it would take a lot to replace

[south lance]

id say a couple days work is a reasonable amount of tome

yeah unraidability is bad

[untold ingot]

Hate to break it to you, but the playing field will never be even. Some people just are more skilled and/or have more time to sink

[rare heart]

No shit

[south lance]

though id like certain things whos comparative cost goes way down in large tribes like mass breeding soakers + explosives to not be as much of a thing

i think no cryos goes a long way to solve this alr

[rare heart]

im just saying ark 1’s freedom of building is bad and so is its building system

[south lance]

but there could be more, depends on how automated defenses work

[untold ingot]

Arks freedom of building is one of the main reasons that it is so good lol

[rare heart]

Its not good?

its dumb, in a pvp aspect

[untold ingot]

What aspect

[rare heart]

pve? Go wild then i like it

[rare heart]

Everything

[south lance]

what things are the worst tho

cause you generally have a decent amount of freedom to build wherever however, plus or minus some cheese

[untold ingot]

Bruh, I literally have thousands of hours in pvp, and the only thinf I would change at all is a cave meta, and that gets changed by nerfing platform saddles.

And fliers like pts

[rare heart]

-spamming
-cartoonish exploiting of caves
-clunky snapping
-looks stupid
-functions in a stupid way

Granted the game already looks stupid most of the time in pvp

[south lance]

that last part will improve with better graphics

[rare heart]

Sure

[south lance]

cave meta is ass

caves shouldve been super thin

and really hard to build in otherwise

[rare heart]

But you cannot convince me that pvp build strats are fun in any capacity

On top of looking dumb because functionality is better obviously

[untold ingot]

The only reason the cave meta is a thing is cryos, platform saddles and pts. Without those, a base in the open world is practically just as good

[rare heart]

yes

[untold ingot]

Before the cave meta was the Plat meta, and that had people just as mad

[rare heart]

I want that

[south lance]

arent pts better in caves

since you can get way closer to a wall

[rare heart]

Building structures in reasonable areas than in points of interest or where you cant block off shit

[untold ingot]

Pts are broken everywhere, but worse in 6x spots yeah

[south lance]

they shouldve just pumped cave damage if they couldn't rework some of the other mechanics

[rare heart]

Like wedging yourself in dumb places to be good is the worst shit in any pvp game ive ever played

[untold ingot]

It is PVP you can blow up their stuff lol

[rare heart]

Duh but its dumb

[south lance]

only issue is that caves are the only somewhat stable base location so thisd make base turnover immense

[rare heart]

Ark is dumb, and not in a fun way

as much as i love deleting 80 billion spam and skyscraper high turret towers

but i dont play that anymore

[untold ingot]

I mean, that is mainly due to the mutation stacking

[rare heart]

breeding is so shit too

0 logic
Takes forever on pvp

Its cool on pve though cause i can incest everything

[untold ingot]

Yeah, we have clarified you don't like it lol, now give us something productive to discuss lol

[south lance]

breeding is one of those mechanics i think everyone wants reworked but everyones scared of everyone elses backlash

[rare heart]

Bruh this entire sequel is just a concept theres NOTHING ELSE TO DO

[south lance]

i wonder if it actually wouldnt be too bad to just properly cap breeding and wipe all lines

but eh, ark2 is dropping soon ish

[untold ingot]

"ark1 is bad" is literally the least useful topic to discuss because literally everyone agrees about the major issues lol

[rare heart]

I use ark 1 is bad because i want THIS GAME to improve upon its mistake but people argue anyways so i continue

[untold ingot]

A 20 melee mutated giga shreds still lol, thats nearly halfway capped

[south lance]

maybe reduce that too

[rare heart]

As long as ark 2 in breeding you cant incest to win itll be better

[south lance]

just scale back everything related to breeding

[rare heart]

wild animals would be stronger in a sense usually

[split dove]

10 - 15 max.

[rare heart]

I dont think genes should play into stats necessarily

[untold ingot]

Having a tamed Dino be as strong or stronger than a bred one would be not a very good game design

[rare heart]

Yeah

[split dove]

wouldn't be a point in breeding if it were the case

[rare heart]

But if its incest then no

[south lance]

not stronger

they just need to be usable

[untold ingot]

Bred ones should always be better than a fresh tamed one

[south lance]

atm breed cap makes every tamed dino die in literally <5 seconds

[rare heart]

like i get its convenient but it makes no sense at all

And just adding good genes by taming a desired wild one would be easier in the long run than waiting to get the perfect child everytime to improve the line

[south lance]

with most pvp mounts

[untold ingot]

This is true

[south lance]

no bueno imo

[untold ingot]

This is what people do?

[south lance]

the breed took 20x as long, but its also inpossible to play the game against

[split dove]

as we would say over here ''super klote man''

[rare heart]

Its always inevitable incest

or cloning i guess

[untold ingot]

Because mutation stacking requires that

[rare heart]

I know, but it shouldnt if you want it to be more dynamic

[untold ingot]

Instead of saying ark1 breeding bad, give some ideas on how to make it better lol 😂

[rare heart]

i did

[south lance]

if it took actual years to hit 255 stat cap then i could maybe get breeding atm

[rare heart]

make incest not work xd

[south lance]

but it happens in like a couple months

[rare heart]

Until a certain degree

because tracking genes to a certain point in the ancestral tree would be near impossible to code

[untold ingot]

Making something not work isn't an idea on how to make something better

[rare heart]

Yes it is

[south lance]

you could probably track incest down 2 or 3 gens

[rare heart]

in turn you rely on finding wild desirable animals to introduce into each level of the tree

[south lance]

that shouldnt be too much of an issue

the game alr stores every tamed dino on every server

[rare heart]

Because wild animal genes are typically always stronger than captive bred animals over time, duh

[untold ingot]

If tames are stored in a database, you could reasonably track way further than that

[south lance]

yeah

but im guessing they dont actually store all that info

idk if thatd actually be too hard tho

[untold ingot]

Currently they have tags saved on each Dino in a per instance basis. But that doesn't really work for tracing a line

[south lance]

how many dinos you reckon are on all of a given gamemode

[untold ingot]

It would be really bad for official servers if they had to keep track of every Dino in existence

[rare heart]

And i dont think dmg or health should be changed by breeding

It can be leveled still but i think genetics should only influence stamina, speed and weight. And color

There should also be skin mutations and genetics that influence the ability power of a dino

[south lance]

say 1x

couple billion dinos in the past year?

[untold ingot]

Maybe more

[south lance]

average breeding rate × tribes

[untold ingot]

Soo, a skill tree type thing?

[rare heart]

Yes

[south lance]

making soakers available to bobs would be cool

[split dove]

my take on dino skill trees

[south lance]

well, less so for other bobs since it means infinite offlining

[untold ingot]

Read up the past lol, that literally is one of the most frequently discussed topics here and is kind of a pet idea of mine lol

[rare heart]

So if the game is more dynamic in taming

Basically breeding should take care of the hassle of having to bond with an animal everytime you want one

But you still have to maintain their genetic health by reintroducing untouched genes

[untold ingot]

Although basically everyone here has their own takes on it

[rare heart]

So like i think breeding for stats shouldnt be like the primary focus unless you want some stats that wont utterly destroy the balance

unless theres a cap i guess but thats a cheap way of doing it

[untold ingot]

So remove imprinting? Typically the general consensus is to make imprinting more involved, at least among pve players

[rare heart]

Yeah no imprinting still

[untold ingot]

Imo imprinting should still be a thing

[split dove]

stat increases in breeding should be less of a focus

[untold ingot]

It should hurt to lose a Dino

[rare heart]

i think thats fine

I just think if you want a steady supply of healthy tames you need to tame specimens still but not as often as like…. Being low leveled and having to tame a new one every try time one dies

You could still have imprinting but i think having some of the most broken aspects of a dinosaur get stronger and stronger over time should take more genetic effort

[untold ingot]

Yeah, that has also been brought up. There are pros and cons to it depending on map design and how defenses work

[rare heart]

and i think colors need to be better

i think ark 2’s style doesnt match the (get any color by breeding) mechanic

regardless of it being neon red

[blissful perch]

Who has the stupid breeding take

[split dove]

look up

[blissful perch]

What the? No hp or damage mutations but yes break the balance silly in all the other stats

[untold ingot]

Sure by acquiring extra perks on a skill tree and breeding them in. There will not be a database of dino family trees though because that would be ridiculously bad on server performance

[blissful perch]

Also no you can’t have fun, you must introduce and sit through consolidating fresh tames into lines because let’s suffer?

Am I psycho or am I reading all that right

[untold ingot]

You are a psycho, but you are reading it right

[blissful perch]

If you see me as sane I’m doing it wrong. Fair enough

[rare heart]

I think a good breeding system would basically be beast of bermudas then

[blissful perch]

A good breeding system should be extremely minimal stat/meta benefit but extremely high cosmetic or “because I feel like it” benefit

[untold ingot]

Never played thst, so you'll have to expounf

[untold ingot]

I mean, this is probably the one point we disagree on lol. I think breeding should make an impact, but no more than 25 to 50% better

[rare heart]

Its a skill tree. It basically you put points into things

Raw stats like dmg and hp scale significantly less then other things

Basically breeding adds extra points like ark

And when the population becomes too genetically similar you get negative points into a stat, but you can negate the negative by leveling up but that stat will never be max

But genetics are easy to manage in that game

[blissful perch]

Is beasts of Bermuda an RPG?

[rare heart]

Dinosaur survival

[tropic forge]

the isle but more rpg

[rare heart]

like the isle and ark had a baby

And you get skin mutations too

i think the dinosaur colors should just be more dulled down for most creatures except for certain ones that would probably be very colorful

the bright fake colors sort of work with ark 1’s style but i think itd look ugly on ark 2

[blissful perch]

Given ark 1 is 500-600% better base stats when you cap a line…and that’s before player levels 25-50% doesn’t seem so bad 😂

[rare heart]

It looks so dumb

Im sorry but dinosaur games do certain things that just, are so cartoony its insane. When the game isnt really cartoony at all

[tropic forge]

well just keep in mind theres no way for us to know what dinos look like... unless you have a time travel machine 🤣

[rare heart]

ark one is cartoony but i still think it looked dumb

Bruh pvp dont care about how 🏳️‍🌈 your dino is xd

Id choose my colors too

[untold ingot]

I mean from the discussion we have had so far, I am not convinced you really play pvp lol

[rare heart]

I dont mind the blues, greens, reds, and purples but like plz no neon

[rare heart]

Not anymore

[untold ingot]

The other guy

[tropic forge]

i hope for the light colors from ab x dinos

[rare heart]

I did play official 3-4 years ago but then i realized it was the worst shit you could ever do with your life

And then come back to it from time to time

but i dont sink into it because i have a life now

And i would get fucking excommunicated from every pvp tribe if i bred for just colors xd, just common sense

[untold ingot]

I played pvp for a significant amount of time and there are plenty of pvp players who like colors on their dinos lol

[rare heart]

I dont hate it

[blissful perch]

Probably depends on the specific sweaty tribe admin

[rare heart]

I do it too but i usually dont go for bright neon primary colors

[verbal wind]

i hope for better color patterns/regions

[rare heart]

My tribes never bred for colors

just stats and then most dinosaurs ended up being confetti vomit

[split dove]

i for one loved the shadowmane and noglin colour regions, i hope that quality of regions and colour use is carried over to ark 2

[verbal wind]

i remember one easter event i bred up a boss team of ugly pastel colored rexes lol

[rare heart]

just the bright basic colors always look horrible on most dinosaurs

[verbal wind]

just the most obnoxious shades of pink yellow and blue

[rare heart]

unless its something with good patterns

like sinos or micros

[verbal wind]

i have sinomas with brown bodies and dark blue accents

[blissful perch]

One thing that is a bit irksome is that you get all these mutations and most folks just kinda sit on whatever the end result is (color wise)

[verbal wind]

looks fucking wild

[rare heart]

As long as it eats the other thing faster

[tropic forge]

for some reason ppl go nuts whit cotton candy , its the worst color combination as far i have seen

[rare heart]

Because thats what they get

Because getting wanted color schemes very hard to do if you go in expecting x colors

[tropic forge]

no you dont get it, when i was trading eggs and dinos the first thing they would ask was if they were cotton candy color

[rare heart]

what does that mean

Just light pink

[tropic forge]

damn forgot the name of one color but the other is neon pink

[rare heart]

Thats just cause everybody works with what they have

[tropic forge]

neon cyan

[rare heart]

Getting a desired palate is time consuming even on boosted stats xd

[tropic forge]

no i only play pve so colors there is a demand

[rare heart]

Like if those neon colors were more dull theyd be fine

[tropic forge]

im a fan of black whit vermillion

[rare heart]

i dont think anyone would complain except insane ppl

white generally always pops though

Its just that the game is so

S a t u r a t e d

so a lot of colors look poopy

[tropic forge]

white pops my eyes 🤣 the light reflecting on the screen actually hurts my eyes

[rare heart]

Ye

Ark being an eye blinding hollywood mexico filter forever

Good thing ark 2 concepts look way more realistic (not accurate)

And hopefully the game actually looks like that

[tropic forge]

pretty sure colors will be on ark 2 thats one of the main selling of ark 1

[rare heart]

IK

Im just hoping the colors you can get fit the game better

[mint swan]

It seems the new planet is more hostile and exotic so I'm guessing we'll see more commonly odd colors

[rare heart]

yeah but

No more neon green and purple trex plz

[tropic forge]

well on the 1st trailer you already get a glimpse of color pattern on ptero

[rare heart]

Well that looked good

and the colors werent insane either

[tropic forge]

yet the lizard plant was bit of bright green

all im saying just dont get your hopes too high and wait for the gameplay (i hope) and not a render trailer like ark 1 had when i bought it

[fallow niche]

Plant?

[tropic forge]

what will you do if that lizard cant be tame?

[rare heart]

Thats works though

[fallow niche]

forcetame

[rare heart]

When its like a saturated neone green on a trex?

no….

[fallow niche]

Personally speaking I love the insane colors we get in Ark 1, I wouldn't mind them in Ark 2

[rare heart]

Its fine in ark 1 i agree

[tropic forge]

i love those light colors since they show up from ab

[rare heart]

I think it would ruin the aesthetic of the 2nd game if any dino could get any color

Id much rather breeding gain new patterns, or genetic mutations like albinism anyways

With colors too, but less diverse than the first game depending on what ur breeding

Ark 2 on paper is a pretty genre defining game when you read the page, but can they do it…

still

depends on how gritty of a game it is compared to ark 1

[mint swan]

I hope we see colors based off the area they're in like tanner in the open fields like the Carno Concept or darker in the redwoods

[blissful perch]

I wouldn’t mind color regions being used to differentiate biomes…it’s similar to the R and X creatures and I found that to be helpful

[past wind]

You are really on a mission to destroy the game's popularity... 😂

Colors is one of the things players like the most on Ark 1 and it will probably one of the things they like on the second game

[blissful perch]

I’d say I’m one of the most anti mutation folks in the chat and I still think color breeding is pretty legit and not a problem

[past wind]

And it is pretty popular among all players, even among people I played o pvp official

all rexes in a shit brown color... not so cool

people need to understand IF they intend to create a game that it will be here for another 7-8 years, it needs to have a lot of content

constant flow of new creatures, items etc. Also events people want to join (new colors for the dinos? new items? new skins?).

If look at steam charts and steam database you will notice the players peaks are always around new major updates, new maps or special events.

first peak of players I remember (player count went over 100k) was when they introduced tek tier, for example

if in 2-3 after released there's not much interesting content being released, people will just leave

[rare heart]

bruh i wouldnt kill anything because thats one of the few things u could actually cull entirely if the rest of the game was still there

im not saying get rid of colors just dont make it dumb like it is now

as much as i love crayola baby vomit colored dinosaurs

[past wind]

What do you mean? How should it be?

[blissful perch]

or it needs to be replayable

[rare heart]

desaturate the bright colors

thats it

[past wind]

People like it, it would be a wrong move

[rare heart]

but not for every dinosaur

just not like stuff that it looks dumb on

like big stuff

[past wind]

like what?

[blissful perch]

not sure what you mean "like what"

ark to me has longevity because it's fun to start from scratch and progress