ark-2

[untold ingot]

I mean, I was making a joke lol

[grim kestrel]

I wasn't

I'd rather pay retail on steam than put even free download statistics for epic, they have lost more financial information than steam in just three months and instead of putting money into security to fix it they just chased exclusive contracts

[hasty nebula]

It sucks its taken this long for a release and with really no date or any confirmation of much. Game must be really good then right? 😂 more time spent into it certainly should be. I would think.

[grim kestrel]

I mean it actually only been in full development for just under a year now I think

[untold ingot]

I am pretty sure it's been in major development for like 2 years at keast

[grim kestrel]

That sounds pretty accurate I wasn't completely sure

[hasty nebula]

They put off the release last year

[untold ingot]

They had some pretty major stuff done 2 years ago

[grim kestrel]

I figured they would, delays are a good thing. I'd rather them do that than end up with another cyber punk

[verbal wind]

given the state of things over this decade so far i'd expect a bit of a wait

which is probably why we're getting an extra dino for ark 1 and i suspect a new map

[untold ingot]

100%

I would rather wait another year than have it flop

[verbal wind]

yeah

a late game can be good. a rushed game will likely be bad

[sinful ermine]

I don’t think extra time is going to be the determining factor in whether it flops. Especially since the release date is just Early Access again anyway.

[sinful ermine]

Delays can be good. In WC’s case delays are just a baked in part of their workflow.

[grim kestrel]

I'm pretty patient with game development, I'm a rockstar games fanboy 😂😂

[hasty nebula]

Lol

[grim kestrel]

I bought GTA5 for every generation released on including PC >.>

[sinful ermine]

I have so many titles I am watering at the mouth for this year that patience isn’t even difficult

It’s just life. xD

[grim kestrel]

What I'm looking for the most in ark2 is to see combat system, parkour, and building

[untold ingot]

Ark2 is the only one I am excited about lol, I haven't seen any other good ones

I don't get it

[grim kestrel]

That gonna be a good one lol

[untold ingot]

Still don't get it

[grim kestrel]

Get it now? 😂

[untold ingot]

No

[grim kestrel]

[insert walking away gif here]

[swift hinge]

Ark 2 is probably gonna release in like 2024 if we are being real. Like we haven't seen game play and I heard it's supposed to be out by June or something

[fallow niche]

That's just a Microsoft date, not Wildcard.

[grim kestrel]

I'd be okay with a no game play release if it a finished product to be honest

[swift hinge]

Oh OK thanks!

[grim kestrel]

Just stealth release 😂

[swift hinge]

I hope

[covert tapir]

are you still here talking i just slept for 7 hours lmao 😂

[untold ingot]

Yup, we decided that ark2 will be procedurally generated archapelagos, and will be absolutely massive

[north heath]

You'd think I'd they are updating ark survival evolved with unreal engine 5 they would be able to easily integrate the ark 2 game play into the survival game. As a developer I'm not sure why they're not putting an alpha or beta version out to get feedback from avid ark players. Show us the story line or game play stream recordings. This ark 2 game is starting to look like a well developed myth. There may be some truth to it but it is so elusive, I'm thinking sasquatch has more evidence of being real.

[verbal wind]

it's just cosmetic, but i'd like to be able to wear a hat and not have my character be made bald underneath

[untold ingot]

Pro tip, the entire release is a beta to avid ark players lol

[untold ingot]

In any case as a developer I am sure you understand the significance of first release. A lot of games flop just because of a bad release

[mighty lion]

Yeah, I just hope they are taking lessons from the atlas launch to heart

[untold ingot]

What were the issues with atlas launch

[untold ingot]

Tbf ark1 on release was pretty unplayable too

That just gets overlooked a lot since it was a relatively small indie game]

Wouldnt that be great

[grim kestrel]

Hm

[tawdry willow]

🍿

[mighty lion]

An argument, 1 person deleted all their messages, so no point in having one side talking to themselves

[stray elm]

They are.
It's called 'early-access'
That's the new beta.

[grim kestrel]

Just like everything else, we just call stuff something different and consider it new

Early Access sounds better than beta which makes it sell more

[dusty dust]

UE5 for ARK 1 in 2023, ARK 2 will come in 2025

[slate lake]

Is there going to be a story mode or not cause it sounds like tehre is or if there is will it be in multiplayer?

[ocean tendon]

ark 2 gonna be 1tb isnt it

[grim kestrel]

Hopefully not 😂 it entirely possible that after file compression it will 150gb minimum

I personally think single player a wasted mode taking up space personally, just have it be non dedicated in the server list, for people playing solo

[verbal wind]

it would be weird to have a sp campaign mode after ark 1, but I enjoy story mode in other games

[fallow niche]

I'd prefer an sp, so my kiddos can play without worrying about other people.

[grim kestrel]

True, it definitely a mode that can't leave. Just a personal take lol

[south lance]

sp is probably a given

[verbal wind]

most games i don't really care about multiplayer

in ark i enjoy it because there's stuff to do with other people other than just running around shooting each other again and again and again and again

[south lance]

thats like 20% of the multiplayer experience tbh

its mainly just end game pve

well, you can probably invert that ratio with a decent tribe

or if you just do solo

[sly glade]

when ark2 exit?

[south lance]

exit pre beta release/early access phase? 2023 probably

[verbal wind]

oop, take a drink!

[grim kestrel]

I think they should bring titanosaur to Ark 2 simply due to what could of possibly sent them extinct? o.o

[verbal wind]

not enough food? bad access to water or breeding grounds

also titanosaur wasn't on the genesis ship

or the genesis simulation

[south lance]

neither was brachi tbf, at least neither are on the section we played on

tons of new dinos could probably still be added since there was like 30 unconnected sections of the ship

[split dove]

Titanosaur was kinda on the ship in the survive the ark mission, just not on the physical map

[past wind]

I don’t think that would be a good argument to what expect in ark 2. Not all creatures were wondering around in the ship. Some were probably stored in backups/cryofridges.

And that’s me trying to stick to the lore. They can just ignore it. 🤣

[tropic forge]

i could see a world event were araita tame one and as a mobile base raiding players

[split dove]

oh no

[past wind]

Aratai raiding bases would be awesome IMO. Not necessarily in a titanosaur

[tropic forge]

ence why a world event

either pve or pvp ppl had to band together to wipe that titan or risk a lot but of course more later cause 30 days on a server aint nothing

[past wind]

If Aratai were close to my enemies, I would just join the Aratai

[astral token]

Aratai is a fun name

Combination of Arat + AI

So it’s like the intelligence of the planet

[untold totem]

or A Rat Tie

[ionic meteor]

The enemy of your enemy is your friend 🤷‍♂️

[blissful perch]

Or so adults don’t have to worry about tames starving when they have a busy week 😅

I’m gonna be a bit peeved if I can’t play solo or on a small personal server, so I’m hoping ark 2 caters to that rather than be a mega MMO

[astral token]

If Sp is gone I am gone from ARK 2

And I bet a lot of others

[tropic crag]

I'd certainly be a little peeved as well, unless the option to host your own server cluster is there from the get go, then I'd be ok with no singleplayer. Still a little disappointed, mind you, but not enough to never play the game ever again 😂

[past wind]

Sp won’t be gone. They can just create a smaller and limited in size map for it.

[past wind]

If the map is massive, most domestic pcs won’t be able to host it and at same time run it to be played

[tropic crag]

If the map is like Atlas like you think it is, that will be more of a dealbreaker to me than anything else stated in this discord thus far, aside from NFTs

[past wind]

I mean, I tried to do it in a The Island map and at some point I had to wipe my base 😂

[tropic crag]

But gladly, there's already confirmed story and story beats that would not work well at all in that style of mapping, so I'm hopeful they stick with the tried and true Ark 1 method of maps

[past wind]

I don’t want it to be like atlas. I want it have a similar concept: massive, everybody in the same “server” and no transfers, just travel.

[tropic crag]

That is literally Atlas style mapping, lol

[past wind]

It’s already stated there will be a new World System, so it won’t be like Ark 1 (probably)

[tropic crag]

World System? Refresh me on that, I don't remember where that was

[past wind]

Founders statement back in June

It doesn’t say much, just “New World System”

There are too many other areas of fundamental changes in ARK 2, whether it’s the new opposing-force ‘Aratai’ who have their own tames, the new Creature Management & proper World Map systems,

New map system, actually

[tropic crag]

Oh, so we have no idea what that entails whatsoever? Yeaaaaaah, idk about that one 😅

[split dove]

could be about the player made map, hard to see a map in your hands in third person lol

[past wind]

Huh… everything here is basically conjectures for months

Nothing is 100% certain

[past wind]

I don’t think so, but we will see

[tropic crag]

That's what I think when I read that, a world map, like in most other MMOs, and possibly fast travelling/better markings of unique locations

[past wind]

I think what I said above because they describe Arat as a massive map and also they are working on a new map system. I think it won’t be like Ark 1

But we need to wait

[bold juniper]

I hope the map just increases in size instead of dlc

[tropic forge]

like new world style?

[bold juniper]

Idk what you mean

[tropic forge]

opening more area of the map

[bold juniper]

I guess

[tropic forge]

well in sp sure that works but online extreme bad idea on a game you have free building

[wanton pike]

I was thinking about new world too. But I also think it will be impossible to create such huge maps with unlimited building everywhere. Maybe it is doable if there are areas in between where you can not build, so the servers can manage 🤷‍♂️

[tropic forge]

i rather have a fresh map than have 15 bases per tribe

[wanton pike]

If there are enough servers anyways then I guess that don’t matter

In the beginning you can expect there to be a ton of tribes and people on most servers though

[tropic forge]

guess you dont notice than, i notice on extinction crystal isles ab tribes building more than 1 mega bases on convenient spots you really think if you merge all ark1 maps in to one and have 500 servers that would stop ppl making mega bases on the map on convenient spot?

[wanton pike]

It wouldn’t stop people from taking the best spots, but that’s how it is, people will always fight each other over the best spots. Mega tribes with their mega bases will always be a problem for the smaller tribes, but maybe they will introduce something to prevent people from creating mega tribes

[tropic crag]

God I sure hope so

[grim kestrel]

Did they already do that with small tribe servers?

I only play Ark with 2 other friends so it doesn't concern me, but not sure I am in favor of just nerfing people cause they have a bunch of people to play with.

[tropic crag]

Oh, how naïve you must be to think that small tribes stops the megas 😂

[past wind]

The megas play on small tribes

[grim kestrel]

I don't play PvP either way ^ So it not naïve more I don't care to fully understand mindset of PvP entirely. I'm just saying it sounds weird to punish people just for having a lot of people to play with.

Now I do believe they should make it a punishable offense to have mega tribes on small tribes cause it in the name and that by definition exploiting.

But in regular server you're kind of accepting the risk especially if you're on official

But like I said I don't do PvP on base Ark, only PvP I will ever do is SoTF, so I will never fully understand I guess.

[tropic crag]

It's not exploiting, just breaking the rules, lol

[grim kestrel]

There you go ^ More reason it something I think they could/should take action on swiftly.

[tropic crag]

But still, I wish to never see a mega tribe form in Ark 2, they are unnecessary and ruin the experience imo

[prisma pike]

I love how you want to not have to no life the game then want things that'd make you have to no life the game lol

[grim kestrel]

I won't carry on, it just an opinion from a PvE player that it sounds weird to me in a regular Ark server to restrict everyone that has a bunch of people playing in one tribe.

[tropic crag]

I mean, how many people do you think is reasonable to have in one tribe? 10? 30? 100? 1000? And you have to consider all modes of play, otherwise you're just going to limit yourself/run into a wall when talking with most other players, which you seem to do a lot already 😅

[grim kestrel]

I think a comfortable limit Wildcard could put on tribes is 30-40.. Past that you need to just ally people.

[tropic crag]

I agree, 30 sounds like a good number to me. Most people don't even have 30 gamer friends, speaking realistically, so I think it's a good middle ground

[split dove]

and it also won't be enough to cap a server with just 1 tribe

[tulip garnet]

Since the Aratai look an awful lot like the Urukhai from Lord of the Rings, Ive decided that Ark 2 is the timeline of Middle Earth where the Orcs won and are now being invaded by a new type of human (us) and thats why they're so angry.

[grim kestrel]

Ark 1 I only allied one tribe, it was on an official on rag he did it so we could build closer together and I also found out your dinos can eat from allies food trough

I did state earlier I support any enforcement on small tribes server still having mega tribes cause it flat out just cheating rules.

[prisma pike]

Enforcement is a joke

[tropic forge]

im not talking about taking best spots but rather per tribe having more than one mega base due to distance instead of making outposts something small, you gotta remember there's always ppl that giving the chance they would be on the entire map

[grim kestrel]

Actually an easy fix would be don't add the ally feature in smalls to begin with.

Then why did you say it would cause an issue to just ally? o.O

I'm confused now

[tropic crag]

Obviously, there would be things in place to ensure that there isn't people breaking the rules, we've been over this like 10 times already 🙄

[grim kestrel]

So Ark 1 has a limit of 12 ally tribes, do you think they should lower that or keep it?

[tropic crag]

It'd be more than just "oh yeah, here's an arbitrary limit and the good ol' Ark 1 alliance system, have at it!"

[grim kestrel]

If it saying "They will still act as one tribe" that kind of a strange take.

They already have a limit on the number of allied tribes, 2 people in here I assume play PvP agreed when I said like a 30 limit would be comfortable for Wildcard to restrict.

There a limit already to amount of allied tribes being 12, allies can build really close together which means up to 360 people in close proximity of each which is a lot.

Me personally after calculating that I believe cutting that in half at least would be necessary as it would bring that max to 180.

Non-allies have a substantial build restriction.

It kind of UNENFORCEABLE to control how people act outside of those restrictions, the most they can do is prevent them from basing to many people near by. They can't control people just dropping someone tools and stuff

[tropic crag]

Long story short, yes, the alliance system needs work too, but the tribe system even moreso than the alliance system imo 😅

[grim kestrel]

That ^

And you CAN'T really tell people how to act, you can only really just tried to add counters to prevent excessive exploits... This is my last take on this cause I'm gonna use a real life comparison for you.

We have laws in place right? It designed to keep people safe... Is it 100% effective? Lord no, that why we have cops and prisons to have consequences.

I'm done if that doesn't help you understand.

[cold locust]

I’m willing to bet that Ark 2 will cater more to the pve crowd and they are going to use ark 1 UE 5 remaster for pvp

So arguing tribe limit is a waste of time.

[tropic crag]

I highly doubt that, lol

[grim kestrel]

Nah PvP and PvE is and always will be 50% split on average, they're going to try to balance it best they can.

[cold locust]

Well with the random world events that were announced it would imply that working with strangers will happen more then fighting them.

[split dove]

if the pvp maniacs want to stay on the more pvp focused Ark 1, then let them run crazy there, at least Ark 2 will have a bigger focus on the pve side compared to Ark 1's heavy pvp focus over the years

[grim kestrel]

Problem is there is an expectation of perfection to certain amount of people which I was trying to explain it never going to be prefect to Breserker

[tropic crag]

I get what you mean here btw, I've been saying roughly the same thing for years now. It's exactly like how you can implement all the precautions you want, but there'll be cheaters on your game eventually. It's inevitable, but we shouldn't put things in the game to stop it if it makes the game worse to play for the normal, good players and won't matter in the long run

[mint swan]

Super off topic, my apologies, but have the devs stated how many maps are there gonna be in ark 2? Is it like the island, SE, ab, etc or will there be completely new ones?

[grim kestrel]

Perfection is fake and doesn't exist, anyone who thinks otherwise is a narcist and needs to go be medically evaluated.

[tropic crag]

So far, no, they have yet to state plans for any DLC or other maps besides the starting one (of which we know very little, or if it'll even be one map, really we don't know jack about the map honestly 😂 )

[split dove]

yeah, let's bring back Arks on a remote alien planet 😂 (fuck the lore reasons making it basicly impossible)

[mint swan]

I hope they do something at least a little different lol

[tropic crag]

The maps will be quote "massive", if that helps? Lol

[past wind]

Design the game in a way you won't need big tribes to play it and a good part of the issue will be solved. Also, make it easier and more effective to create alliances to fight against stronger forces.

like any other pvp, the more powerful will win, just make it in a way huge tribes aren't needed

[tropic crag]

We literally don't know shit about the maps, except they big and they may have floaty rock thingies and they may have ship pieces, oh and may have a redwoods 😂

[past wind]

I would like to see the game more focused on communities and alliances

[real merlin]

everyone got the pride thing 🤷‍♂️

[mint swan]

Ah well maybe it’s for the best that they keep it kinda secretive until it releases

[tropic crag]

Says the one with an Andrew "I traffic humans" Tate pfp 💀

[mint swan]

I hope to see towns and stuff over mega bases

[blissful perch]

The benefit of being large is you split the abhorrent grind for materials and tames between tons of people. Wack the time grind -> the glue holding megas will weaken

[past wind]

Me too

[real merlin]

hate to say it but there is no evidance

[tropic crag]

Agreed, anything other than that and the playerbase will go ape mode

[past wind]

villages with an integrated defense system (basically an alliance).

[mint swan]

Cuz rn if you try and start a town by building next to someone, well let’s just say expect to be evaporated within the next 30 minutes

[past wind]

Not just that, but to be able to deffend yourself.

[blissful perch]

Offlining is another one for sure

[past wind]

make it in a way alliances and communities are better designed

[blissful perch]

I’m not against a fixed guild system tbh that people can join one of two guilds. That way at least everyone is in a mega

[past wind]

it could be a good idea. Or just create regional alliances

[blissful perch]

If you do something and get reported, have WC manage the tickets more actively and ban them from joining a guild and RIP they can’t be anything but a solo

[past wind]

depending on the size of the map, create 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 etc alliances delimited by regions

[mint swan]

Maybe there could be a boost for everyone if you start a community? Like everyone in the towns Dino’s get a small defence or damage boost or something.

[blissful perch]

Idc how many but yea that idea

[blissful perch]

Force everyone to join a guild and that becomes easier

[mint swan]

Ohhh a guild would be neat

[blissful perch]

Right now maps are only able to support one mega. Perhaps with guilds and larger server pop caps/maps people can actually hold ground and participate in larger scale play

[tropic crag]

This is something Shifter and I suggested a ways back, iirc. The PvPers were not happy with the idea, you know how it goes. "Anything that isn't making me stronger so I can steamroll the server sucks and is PvE and also we need tek again" 🤣 . So the idea of the defense buff may actually be a win in their eyes

[past wind]

That's a very good suggestion IMO.

[blissful perch]

Biggest issue I recall PvP folks highlighting is what stops everyone from dogpiling the “winning” faction and the remaining factions are empty

[split dove]

''you must play PvE, you filthy pve bob'' is their only response to facts and reasoning

[mint swan]

Ark is full of people that only play the game to watch their Dino’s kill stuff on screen, not like there’s a problem with that

[tropic crag]

Which is easily solved with a seasonal guild lock system 😂

[blissful perch]

It’s also full of rpg/sim players who only want to breed and farm mats. It’s a wild time

[past wind]

limited space

[blissful perch]

That’s tougher than season locking, since that means that if a friend wants to join an already full faction that could be locked out

[past wind]

I mean, I would split the map in regions dominated by different alliances

[mint swan]

Lmao yeah, I hope that side of ark doesn’t majorly affect how ark2 will be

[tropic crag]

(And maybe some other mechanic, like Charlie suggested, or maybe auto-balance like other PvP team based games have)

[blissful perch]

A tribe wars/turf wars type gamemode would be fun, but it could never be vanilla

[blissful perch]

Well it basically dominated ark 1 so here’s hoping it stays in ark 1

[past wind]

Not limiting the number of players, but the spaces one alliance can own

spaces on the map

[blissful perch]

See here then

[mint swan]

Ark 1 can be an enclosure for the sweats and hardcore pvp players /j

[blissful perch]

As long as ark 1 is the last game with mutation stacking I can rest

[split dove]

the social outcast experiment

[grim kestrel]

Anyone here by GTA San Andreas? Imagine gang territory aspect in that as a tribe territory where the AI tribe would spawn and not attack the tribe that is currently in control of that area.

PS: This is a horrible idea not sure I even want it, but it a hell of a take. 🤣

[mint swan]

GTA,
Get that ark

[blissful perch]

Like I said, you can’t do a turf war as the default for ark 2 PvP without radically altering the sandbox promise

[tropic crag]

Eh, idk about that, but having a safe zone for the various alliances (even if it's the same one for all, maybe even the NPC tribe safe zone that may or may not exist already) is a good enough idea, then just let them fight for the land on the rest of the map 🤷‍♂️

[mint swan]

Maybe it could be in the server settings so you can have a specific game mode?

[blissful perch]

A tribe wars mod exists for ark 1, and TheAxeMan played a few seasons of it

[mighty lion]

I agree, plus let people play with who they want

[blissful perch]

The massive factions in Eve I believe are something that could be done, where you join one of the premade factions and players in that faction know who you are and tend to see you as friendly

[tropic crag]

Agreed, but again, there's other factors there, as I stated, that would also need to be worked out. Active moderation is one of those. Never once did we say "oh yeah just put a hard limit and have em eat it up" 😂

[past wind]

My idea would be like that:

1- X number of regions would be PVE areas where people could start the game without risking their progression, but those areas would limit the level and progression
2- X square kms would be claimable by the alliances and they would manage it
2- X Square Kms would be non claimable areas, lawless regions, they would be areas between the claimable zones

[mighty lion]

Wait until you win a long argument with him and he goes back and changes all of his messages in chat

[tropic crag]

Sadly, he's a little misguided at times

[mint swan]

Some people are in these channels just to disagree with everyone lol

[blissful perch]

Well I DID motion for a subscription fee to play official but…

[tropic crag]

I mean, not really. We were under the pretense that there were other changes, following previous discussion

[mighty lion]

Skin sales should be ok as long as they dont change hit boxes

[blissful perch]

Why not? You’re using a service and you’d get PvE adminship which can catch cheaters and rule abusers. Obviously less work to manage than PvP but that’s not a bad deal

[grim kestrel]

Where did i say hardcapped? I suggested a comfortable limit based on being asked what a limit could be by Bruising at 10,30, 60, 100.

Since when did comfortable mean the same a capped?

[blissful perch]

A cap = a limit

It makes sense to do a subscription but it’s not risk free, I’ll give you that 100%

[tropic crag]

Microtransactions of any kind are out of the realm of possibility, so I just don't even consider them 🤷‍♂️

[mint swan]

If the official servers had a fee imo it may make the player base on there a bit more relaxed. Maybe once people are using their money to get on there they won’t spend 48 hours spamming pillars across the entirety of the map (not saying it’s necessarily a good idea, but one to consider maybe)

[tropic crag]

But they do fund it, by buying the game 🙂 see what I did there?

[grim kestrel]

When I was responding to a direct question not a personal take. Berserker acting as if I made that a personal take.

[blissful perch]

It’s extremely normal to sell a game and have online cost money

[tropic crag]

Most people is a gross over exaggeration, tbh

Some, sure. Most? Doubt it without the data to back it up

[blissful perch]

Many MMO games you risk a lot in PvP. But that point aside, yes you’d lose players because that’s how supply and demand works

The question is…are those lost players a greater cost than the benefit of the remaining players who pay the subscription

[mint swan]

The game is hella expensive anyway, even though fees for playing official may be a decent idea, it could just kill the servers and make them not inhabited at all

[tropic crag]

We don't know how expensive the game will be, to be fair

Then... don't play official, problem solved. I do not see a losing scenario here 🤷‍♂️

[blissful perch]

We also don’t know what could be at stake. For all we know every player has a stash that’s safe

[grim kestrel]

I think microtransaction are better than giving a subscription benefit.. Subscription is honestly what killed Fallout 76 IMO cause they made it virtually impossible to do 3/4 of the game without it.

[past wind]

Me too

[mint swan]

Yeah that is true, but ark1 is like what, 80-100+ dollars for the whole that thing? (I got mine as a gift so I don’t know the exact price, correct me if I’m wrong) imagine how much ark2 considering all that’s going into it

[blissful perch]

The way of the gaming world is microtransactions over subscriptions so it’s a fair take

[past wind]

But I think WC doesn't want to implement neither of them. They will probably go the DLC way.

[grim kestrel]

All my comments still are still up, only one I deleted was about blocking you.

[tropic crag]

That could easily change, the game could be 20 dollars full release for all we know 😂

[mint swan]

Man I’d love that. Gotta cross our fingers that it’s not like 200 bucks

[grim kestrel]

Not in this topic you didn't, scroll up and open your eyes.

[untold totem]

Given only few pay to play MMOs with paid subs survived an thrived while most MMOs failed kinda saids a lot with the paid sub model thing or MMOs in general (also RuneScape is free to play iirc)

[split dove]

it's early access, it's definitely gonna be less than full price

[tropic crag]

Minimum? Press X to doubt. It's a game by an indie studio, not by a galactic conglomerate of game devs 😂

[grim kestrel]

Gawd it people that think if it won't fix a problem perfectly why bother that are the real issue >_>

[tropic crag]

They are AA at best, which we've been over iirc

By definition

[past wind]

I'm pretty sure pricing doesn't relate to the size of the studio

[split dove]

also next gen only, so that might also push price up a tad

[tropic crag]

Take a breather, it's ok to just walk away sometimes duder. It's text on a screen

[mint swan]

I think it’s going to be more than ark1, I’m like 80% sure logically

[split dove]

The numbers Mason, what do they mean?

[tropic crag]

Not as much as the industry norms at large, sure. But it does come into play

[grim kestrel]

This is actually a split thought, I tried to look up if Wildcard is AA or AAA all I got are forum post going between some say technically indie, some say AA, some say AAA

[past wind]

Kinda... usually indie studios make smaller games, meaning they are not so expensive. Ark 2 is probably an expensive game, more expensive than ark 1 for sure.

They have to set their price according to their costs

Being on Gamepass helps to fund their development costs

[tropic crag]

That I will admit, the industry is moving towards 70$ as the typical price point for current gen releases because of a variety of factors, including the cost to make all these games going up by default as the quality requirements go up and the cost of the software does the same

[mint swan]

In ark you can play 6k hours and be nothing but a beach Bob with a stone pick axe in seconds because of someone slightly stronger than you, so this is definitely true

[untold totem]

Tbh I don't mind the current way of monetization rn with the equal priced DLCs

[tropic crag]

Honestly though

Same here

[grim kestrel]

I hope it goes back to 60 when all companies finally stop making games for Xbox One and PS4

[past wind]

Not happening

[grim kestrel]

You right more than likely why I said hope lol

[mint swan]

Games for xbox one won’t stop for a longggg time.

[tropic crag]

But the issue here is funding moderation, Mazzy 😅 (which is impossible with the current model, sans a ridiculous price hike to the game and DLCs)

[past wind]

I mean, you can buy it or subscribe to gamepass (or any other similar services), but the prices will always go up.

[tropic crag]

I don't, I think it should've gone up a long time ago

[untold totem]

I dunno, they are kinda well off compared to other snail owned games

[grim kestrel]

I feel for Australia though cause our $60 standard editions were $100 standard editions over there.

[tropic crag]

No, you're right. But it also was more on the developer to determine it then, too, and less decided by shareholders based on the industry at large (as there was none, just quite then, or at least not as big a one)

[split dove]

i wouldn't be sad if Wildcard could separate from Snail and Snail goes under

[mint swan]

What did ark get sued for again?

[untold totem]

Well ATLAS flunked

That's the result

[past wind]

you mean australian dollars? It's just an unit, it doesn't mean it costs more

[untold totem]

That is a dream

[mint swan]

Ohh so that’s why SE sucks /hj

[split dove]

let us dream, distracts us from current events

[past wind]

This hasn't nothing to do with the lawsuit or snail games

[grim kestrel]

By standard over there they pay 100 for standard, 120 for next up, 150 for third on average. Got a friend that lives in Queensland it obviously conversion rate it still wild

[untold totem]

They are... Under a different name until the main founders returned to WC

Have you seen the Dev Dossier?

It has both ARK and ATLAS on it

[past wind]

I played the game, their decisions were bad people stopped playing it

[untold totem]

It does

[past wind]

My point is 100 AUD is like 70 USD

different monetary units

[tropic crag]

AUD is not USD, lol What he said

[past wind]

you can't really compare that way

[grim kestrel]

obviously it conversion rate, still just wild to think about

[mint swan]

I mean, I’m happy they did it because ark is one of my favourite games and it could’ve all ended there. But I wish they’d revamp it even though with the release of ark2 it will very likely never happen.

[past wind]

Sure, because of taxes

but the thing with AUD vs USD is just a conversion thing

it doesn't really cost more in Australia

[tropic crag]

I mean hey, we got an ascension, be grateful 😂

[past wind]

sure they do

just checked UK VAT is 20% average

[mint swan]

Yeah you’re right, I’m a bit picky sometimes lmao.
I still won’t stop dreaming about a Phoenix tlc and maybe a slight map rework

And that damn manticore needs a ai fix

[tropic crag]

As a wise man once said...

"DON'T STOP
BELIEEEEEEVIN"

[grim kestrel]

Yes it just conversion, just saying it wild to look at and think about. If you went from US with 1 million and went to AU and converted over your money you'd receive back almost half a million more figure wise

[mint swan]

Hold onto that feeeeelinnnnnn
(But not in caps because the bot won’t let me smh)

[tropic crag]

You've just joined yesterday, and you haven't memorized the caps limit? Shame /j

[mint swan]

Phoenix could’ve been a godly tame, but instead it’s completely forgotten because wyverns are just objectively better in every way

[mint swan]

I didn’t know there was one tbh lmao

[bold juniper]

Plesie needs talc before phoenix

[grim kestrel]

That's okay I found out in #ark-survival-ascended that 7 emojis is to many apparently

[mint swan]

Aaa I forgot about that guy!!!

[bold juniper]

Phoenix has always been a trophy tame, many others are not there just useless

[mint swan]

Ark when too many colourful images 😠

[mint swan]

Yeah, but I’m kinda tired of trophy tames and useless tames. I think ark2 needs to have every creature have a use rather than having like five valuable ones and the rest are shit

[tropic crag]

(We all do)

[grim kestrel]

Example?

[mint swan]

Argy, anky, a rex army for bosses, dodec, and theri and maybe arguably a wyvern or two and you’re set forever lmao

The rest are just kinda… there

[grim kestrel]

Agree 100%

[tropic crag]

Phoenix has a use, it's an afk pearl far-Gacha would like to have a word

[mint swan]

Heck you can even replace argy with that flying tek ship thingy super late game

[split dove]

i always get reminded they exist when i try to get black pearls on the island trying to find sea scorpions

[mint swan]

Damn I forgot about gacha, and I didn’t know Phoenix had any use than just being a pretty looking trophy for your base

[tropic crag]

Well that's your problem, you're getting BPs on The Island 🤣

[grim kestrel]

Gacha are nice for free armor

[split dove]

my bad that we only had island bc of Paddy

[mint swan]

Go to Crystal isles if you need pearls if you’re able

[grim kestrel]

Crystal probably best map for organic poly too

[mint swan]

Crystal is just excellent for many resources, I love that map dearly

Especially all the “rare” ones

[tropic crag]

It does have a few uses, but none of them are done any better than other creatures can, sadly

[past wind]

but after gen 2, the only reason I went to crystal was for O. Polymer

[mint swan]

For ark2 I’d like to see “everything has a use in some way shape or form” rather than “this creature is better than this one so don’t bother taming this one at all”

[mighty lion]

Crystal isles is better than abb for poly?

[grim kestrel]

My only issue with crystal is I recently based on top of a waterfall center map, there land detection issues where you can look like you're walking on thin air and a few floating trees.

[past wind]

I hate abb, but I would say they are even if you like abb

[mighty lion]

Ok, love me some abb

[mint swan]

Obviously they don’t have to give a dilophosaur or a dodo late game uses, but I’d like to see generally everything has a use at some point in time rather than 80% of the games creatures being worth nothing but meat and hide

[tropic crag]

IMO, not quite. But it's beyond good though if you have the right setup, maybe a bit quicker too since there's a guaranteed spot to get it (that's easy af to find compared to the org poly bushes or crabs) and you don't have to look for it

[mint swan]

Crystal isles is safer than Ab that’s for sure, so it’s better to get poly there

[tropic crag]

That too

[past wind]

safer and faster to travel between maps, at least for me, I had a tree base right in front of the cave entrance

[bold juniper]

Phoenix also cooks meat in inventory

[tropic crag]

Yeah, not as good as Magma, but yeah

[mint swan]

+flyers are allowed on Crystal

[bold juniper]

Phoenix much smaller then mag

[past wind]

Not sold, I have plenty of grills to do that 🤡

[grim kestrel]

I didn't know this cause I never got lucky enough to ever get on SE during a heatwave

[mighty lion]

Thanks for explaining, I mean we just port in, slot cap a few bears and port out in the next timer on abb.

[past wind]

THat's not really the issue with abb, I can use a hover there

[mint swan]

I’d rather use birds on Crystal than rock drake or deinonychus my way through Ab

[past wind]

the problem IMO is the amount of stuff attacking you

[bold juniper]

Fjordur is ok for poly farm too

[past wind]

Abb is like the Australia equivalent in Ark

[mint swan]

Nothing is ever not after you on Ab lmao

[grim kestrel]

Only time I voluntarily went to abb was unofficial that had flyers enabled lol

[mint swan]

Fjordur is my favourite map, it was a great end to ark1

[past wind]

just use a hover, but again, once in the ground, you will be attacked from all the sides

[mighty lion]

Once you live on abb for a while, it's really an easy map

[past wind]

Nah, I tried, not for me

[grim kestrel]

What would be thoughts of certain dino taming like Thyla, Sabertooth, Hyena, shoulder pets, etc being tamed by picking up baby ones and you have to raise them up.

[mighty lion]

Hope there is a decent size subterranean area in ark 2, or atleast a DLC

[past wind]

I don't like it at all

[mighty lion]

To each their own

[past wind]

They are planning something like that

[tropic crag]

I mean, it is quite literally down under(ground)

[past wind]

Right? ☠️

[mint swan]

Land down under (literally)

[grim kestrel]

I'd be down for certain underground base, but I think a balance would be entrance surface would need to be semi-obvious

[past wind]

I would like if the new Abb would just be a huge cave system under the map

something like the Valguero ocean, but with caves

[mint swan]

Instead of it being a separate map? I’m 100% on board with that

[past wind]

yeah

But I'm not sure it's doable. The map is still something we know nothing

[mint swan]

There’s a mini Ab on Fijordur which was pretty cool lol

[grim kestrel]

Or like the highlands cave on Rag, easy to spot if you're looking but covered by something like a waterfall or veins or leaf bush

[past wind]

yeah, but I would like it even bigger

[mint swan]

Definitely

[past wind]

with subterranean lagoons and all

[mint swan]

I’d also like to see more biome variation, like how crystal isles had

[past wind]

But I'm not sure it's doable

[grim kestrel]

as long as they don't go crazy with ambiance lol, I liked the floating islands but I can only stand the ambiance for so long

[past wind]

It depends on the implementation of it. I mean, I don't like the way they did on Crystal. The transitions between the biomes aren't ideal

I like more the transitions Ragnarok has

[mint swan]

Instead of having a bunch of different maps, trying to fit more biomes into one map would make it so much more interesting. I’d love not holding my breath every time I gotta do an ob transfer and risk loosing everything I have and instead just be able to travel the same map instead

[past wind]

I mean, theyve put a huge mountain chain to split the map between the desert and redwood

[mint swan]

Definitely! More natural transitions for sure

[grim kestrel]

Rag is underrated when it comes to how well they transitioned their biomes.

[mint swan]

Rag? Underrated? Interesting take lmao

[rancid harness]

I think it's the most popular map lol

[past wind]

It's probably the best map so far in that regard

[rancid harness]

Definitely not underrated

[past wind]

Crystal is a mess, The Island is a mess

[mint swan]

But not overrated either. It’s definitely an excellent map

[rancid harness]

Crystal doesn't know what it wants to be lol

[mint swan]

Ugh I can never stay on the island. It’s so excruciatingly boring.

[grim kestrel]

In terms of use it not, specifically referring to biome transition. It something people don't think about, but that why it so popular

[rancid harness]

You go there for the caves. It's ark beta, of course it's gonna be mid

[mint swan]

They tried to go with the “mystical wonderland” vibe, but it kinda just ended up being “let’s pour unicorn vomit on a map and see what happens”
Wont lie, I definitely still somewhat like the map

[rancid harness]

It's cool, it's just done wrong

[mint swan]

Yeah, that is true

[past wind]

Actually I'm pretty sure it was a community map they added to their official maps

[mint swan]

Yes, I know it was a mod.

[rancid harness]

"They" being the modders

[past wind]

The mod was better actually. Not the biome transitions, but on other aspects 😂

[mint swan]

But it’s just everything at the same time instead of a smooth transition between biomes. I somewhat enjoy the chaos but it’s insufferable after awhile

[rancid harness]

You can tell it's not a nekatus map cuz it isn't cohesive

[grim kestrel]

I just wonder how often a modded map will be voted into official cause that going to be the only reason, all unofficial servers won't have to wait in Ark 2

[mint swan]

How big can they even make the map before it just becomes laggy and unplayable? I’m curious how they’ll combat that.

[rancid harness]

Mods in ark 2 will be integrated. There won't be any official mod maps. The game is being developed so that we don't have to have them make maps official.

We can just play them

[grim kestrel]

I mean maps have to be server made so official wouldn't get it unless Wildcard made it official though o.o

[mint swan]

Ab was 100% overhated. It was an excellent map (even though I don’t really play on it)

[split dove]

i kinda liked it's approach to a map based meta, with not allowing stuff like gigas and rexes to be transferd over

[mint swan]

Excuse me, metal pillar spams??? That sounds like hell itself

[split dove]

imagine if farming paste on abb was easy instead of only being able to craft it, spam hell

oh right

i meant like beavers aswell

[grim kestrel]

How early do you think clothing piece is craft spammed for levels way people did cloth hats on official lol

[mighty lion]

How much ele would you guys say you used a week powering your bases?

[mint swan]

0, primitive bases ftw /hj

[grim kestrel]

How much does 1 element last in a Tek generator?
The Tek Generator uses 1 Element or 100 Element Shard in 18 hours for the radius 1.0 plus 0.33 for each additional unit of radius.

[mighty lion]

No I'm asking like on average

[rancid harness]

Can't wait to see how they balance out the endgame for Ark2 pvp.

I feel like Ark1 is pretty decent outside of the cheaters issues.

Also curious how raids will be, if they go the auto turrets route again, or if it's more about creature use.

It'd be cool if they implemented better creature AI for base defense.

[mighty lion]

Would like to see some sort of automated defences

[rancid harness]

Like the Dino leashes in ark 1 but better

[mint swan]

I hope endgame is less endless grinding and feels less like a chore. I hope it’s actually fun and something to look forward to

[grim kestrel]

I'm imagining some light sources we will be able to craft being antler designed candle chandelier to hang from ceiling, or bone standing lamp to hold a torch.

Some creative craft options

[mint swan]

Customizable candles would be neat

It would be cool if you could use dyes to make them different colours

[grim kestrel]

Have it where you take dye color and wood and it crafts color wood, when you burn that it burns in that color

[mint swan]

using dyed glass on a lantern item should give lighting of that colour, imagine having an intimidating mega base with red lighting, or an underwater base with blue or green lighting

[grim kestrel]

Dye and thatch could be a way to make a paint brush to paint your base.

[mint swan]

Oooh yes, or maybe fur though that’s more difficult

And an easier way to make custom skins (aka Dino painting)

[rancid harness]

Let's talk Dino storage.

Cryopods likely won't exist in ark 2, at least not to start.

I'm thinking stables.

Buildings dedicated to storage that could "hold" x amount of tames that wouldn't have to be loaded in

Obviously this probably won't happen due to modular building,

[mint swan]

Interesting idea, I think they may just expect us to keep all of our Dino’s just kinda out in the open beside our base, or in dino pens like everyone does before they have cryos

[rancid harness]

I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case. It's much more thematic and awesome too, but on the side of optimization and convenience, it might make sense to have some form of storage that isn't large playerbuilt barns.

They could also just do cryopods again later down the road lol

[mint swan]

It is 100% unpractical, but knowing wc it’s very likely that’ll be the case

And there will be 0 tek in ark2 from what I’ve heard, so that’s unlikely too

[grim kestrel]

Barn system probably close to what they are actually doing, just for breeding sakes there kind of has to be a way to put up some tames.

Or a lot of dinos going to become old yeller

[mint swan]

Maybe it’ll force people to be more selective with their tames

Maybe it’ll be a nice change to not have to deal with tribes that have 80 fully mutated lvl 600 gigas in their pocket at all times

[grim kestrel]

I mean as random as breeding is you can't be selective because the RNG of the game dictates a good or bad breed.

[mint swan]

Yeah, sorry I meant those two messages as two separate topics lol

[grim kestrel]

ah

[mint swan]

I just mean instead of running around snagging every high lvl you see, maybe it could be a challenge to figure out what you need beforehand

If boss battles exist in ark2 it will be a pain to have to keep your army just kinda standing next to your base

[grim kestrel]

Anyone raising giga army on official has psychopathic tendencies 🤣 JK

I raised one giga on official and was like nope, never again.. meat run requirement on official for a giga baby is stupid.

[mint swan]

Never even bothered with gigas myself.

I play almost entirely single player but I still just don’t feel like taming one

[split dove]

that's official as a whole, not really for people with little to no time to invest every day

[mint swan]

I always lead them into the ocean if they’re an issue

[rancid harness]

Easily fixed by having a planet based "magical" power source. They mentioned that environmental storms and events would yield rare rewards. I can see that taking the place of tek tier.

[rancid harness]

Sorry that was a reply to this

[grim kestrel]

At least with rex, argy, and thyla I could get away with a meat run every 5 hours. A giga was like 30 minutes, then I had to get scooting in a hurry to get meat

[split dove]

i imagine it will be more rare/higher tier components you can use to craft stuff

[rancid harness]

You don't think we'll get some form of advanced endgame stuff ever?

You think it's gonna stay primitive the whole game?

[split dove]

*primarily primitive, but as we've seen with that leaked render there will likely be tek scrap as more of endgame content for now

[grim kestrel]

I believe about 3-4 months after release we'll get a primitive method that works basically like a cryo to inventory creatures

[mint swan]

I’d love magic over tek

Keeps the primitive vibe without making endgame just “slightly more advanced beachbob”

[grim kestrel]

Only reason I say just a few months for an official way to inventory creatures cause I feel like that almost a guaranteed mod that going to be made that more than 90% of unofficial will just automatically go for.

[south lance]

me want le blood sacrifice

🙏

[mint swan]

That is true. In fact There’s already a mod that has more easy to use cryopods

Forgot what it’s called

[south lance]

sacrifice your highest hp tame to gain the blessing of the war god

[grim kestrel]

talking about the cryo version of a paintball gun lol

[mint swan]

Troodon taming

[mint swan]

It’s from primitive + I think? Idk

[south lance]

i dont like that "blessing" of the war god too much

im sure someone somewhere somehow utilized troodons effectively

[grim kestrel]

Giga new taming requirement = 20 extra large tames 🤣

gotta feed it

[mint swan]

I hope ark2 goes back to the games roots, and make it about dinosaurs again

[grim kestrel]

I just want them to remove mating from the wandering setting.

[mint swan]

Instead of adding all these mythical creatures like shadowmane, bloodstalkers, wyverns, etc, I’d like to see new dinosaurs instead

[untold ingot]

I mean, they are very op when defending crouch points

[mint swan]

Didn’t they do that already?

[south lance]

how much hp do they get to tho

[mint swan]

They added a breed on/off button

[grim kestrel]

Nope, gotta neuter and spayed them

[untold ingot]

Lol, what?

[grim kestrel]

if you want them to wander

[mint swan]

There’s a breeding on/off button in the little behaviour wheel-

[grim kestrel]

otherwise gonna have a bunch of fertilized eggs

wander is automatic mating

trust me I tried making my raptors wander in a pen

[mint swan]

Ohh I getcha

[grim kestrel]

so many fertilized eggs

[mint swan]

That’s annoying af

[grim kestrel]

yes, yes it is

[mint swan]

I’m most excited for the new combat system

My finger hurts sometimes from clicking Right trigger a thousand times

[severe granite]

Did ark 2 come out yet?

[grim kestrel]

It currently slated for June, but nothing more specific

[severe granite]

Bruh😔

[mint swan]

Nah rare wubbox, gotta keep waiting

[severe granite]

But everyone has been waiting for so long

[mint swan]

It’s a complex videogame. It’s gonna take time.

[severe granite]

true

[grim kestrel]

delays are good, better than getting another cyber punk

[mint swan]

If we rush the devs ark2 will be a cube of actual shit like all the other rushed out games

Or we’ll have a super glitchy unplayable beta era

I’d rather the game be good on release

[split dove]

time flies by fast if you're not so fixated on it, that's how i manage to make it feel faster while waiting on a better version of Ark 2 at launch

[mint swan]

True!

I’m not thinking about it unless we’re discussing it in this chat

[grim kestrel]

Honestly first time I saw this discussion the other day about release I thought it was just a year, Ark 2 been in major development for like 2 years. As an example of time flying

[mint swan]

Damn, it feels like just yesterday it was announced

[south lance]

its alr february

like, 5 months

till june

if thats when we get things

[grim kestrel]

🤞

[mint swan]

Love that it’s been released in June, so early

I thought that we’d be waiting like three years but nope

[grim kestrel]

knock on wood right now

LOL

[mint swan]

Knocked on my wall just now lmao

[split dove]

only reason we think it's june is bc the xbox event from June had all games listed as coming in the next 12 months

[mint swan]

Welp, we’ll see

I hope they won’t rush it

I’d rather wait another two years then have a bad game upon release

[past wind]

You can wait while I play it. And we both would be happy.

[mint swan]

?

I just meant it as an expression. Like I hope WC takes their time

[past wind]

But serously, I would be happy to play it while it's not finished. It will be released as an early-access title.

[mint swan]

Oh, if it’s early access that’s fine, I just mean I hope they don’t rush the final product

[past wind]

They already did, it's been 2 years since the announcement, and they were already working on it. Ark 1 was released in six months.

[mint swan]

Well it likely won’t be “final” for a long time cuz updates but yk

[past wind]

If they take longer, they might see people losing interest on Ark.

[past wind]

It will be an early acess

[mint swan]

Yes, I know that and you misunderstood me. Im too tired to explain so just take it as you will lol

[tropic crag]

We've talked about that ad nauseam here, search stables, dino storage, cryofridge/cryos, and other relevant terms for good jumping off points

Also, sorry if I answer/reply to something that's been done already, I'm playing catchup 😅

[mint swan]

Np, everyone does that I think lmao

[tropic crag]

Soul traps/balls? They're a standalone mod iirc

[mint swan]

Yeah that thing

I’m also wondering if they’ll keep the same lore or if they’ll rewrite it

[tropic crag]

Well, they kinda seemingly are? With the animated series I mean. But that's moreso just fleshing out backstories than rewriting lore, not that there won't be some rewrites (that are for the better, unlike most shows that rewrite game lore... ᴴᵃˡᵒ ˢʰᵒʷ, ᵍʳʳʳʳʳʳʳʳʳ)

[mint swan]

Oooh I’d like to see how that turns out

[tropic crag]

Same here, the show intrigues me beyond belief, if nothing else

[mint swan]

Is the first episode out yet?

[tropic crag]

Nope, no idea when it comes out 😅

[blissful perch]

used to be $50 lol. It's now creeping up to $70...stuff certainly grew in price but not in quality. Indie luckily is still 20-30$

[mighty lion]

In the end, what they give with the bundles will determine if it's worth it

[grim kestrel]

I swear Jesse on the top of the list there works 7 days a week, I don't think there a single time I haven't seen them in the devkit client

[mint swan]

Wait- is studio wildcard literally just 3 people or are they the only ones that have discord??

[blissful perch]

that only shows online and in this discord

[grim kestrel]

nah they're like 200 people, if you google the studio name you can see their linkdin

[mint swan]

Ah I thought 3 people was a little ridiculous, lmao I should’ve known

[blissful perch]

i believe it was originally about 5

[split dove]

5 unexperienced devs at that point as well

[blissful perch]

they had experience

they lacked manpower and their scope though was massive

[split dove]

i meant in terms of big games

most of it before Ark was just a dungeon crawler iirc

[blissful perch]

they had pretty long tenures in the industry is my understanding

these were not college dropouts or entry level folks lol

[tropic crag]

That's actually why the lawsuit came about

[blissful perch]

but the scope and scale of ark was huge and way beyond the capacity of a small team to execute flawlessly. Ark is an extremely impressive project

[tropic crag]

A non-compete clause from another company they came from

[grim kestrel]

One of them breached a non-compete

jinx lol

[split dove]

if they were able to put ark 1 together like that, we can be more certain they will execute Ark 2 better with a bigger, more experienced and funded team this time

[blissful perch]

the vision is not my concern. WC has incredible vision and creativity

[grim kestrel]

That law still floating in congress where they're trying to make non-compete clause illegal

[blissful perch]

my concern is balance and scope creep, which I'm often not convinced is being managed well

[tropic crag]

Hope they do, that shit is so stupid

[grim kestrel]

the cover idea is great it sounds awesome, I feel like it just a plot to a bigger task to start dictating what people can do on a political level

[blissful perch]

those clauses are designed to prevent people from stealing company ideas

otherwise you can come up with something, yank a team together, jump ship on a company and swipe/sell their in development product

[grim kestrel]

That easily shutdown because companies generally patent their trades

[blissful perch]

can't patent it if it doesn't exist

hence the clause

[grim kestrel]

Patent is applied for before the product is made so when they show it off someone else can't start making that not in the company.

[blissful perch]

not sure you're understanding what "exist" means

in this case, you patent a game before you publish it. You can't copyright the prealpha whiteboard drawings of a game though

it's a massive company risk if you can't ensure that your ideas will be safe if someone leaves

[grim kestrel]

Yeah, non-compete definitely have a good reason to exist.

[blissful perch]

i think owning people's new ideas after they leave a company is absurd though, and that's also often present in non-compete clauses

[grim kestrel]

The law for me is written to broad, I think they need to detail it better to just change where non-compete becomes about the work not the employee specifically, then I would support the law passing

[blissful perch]

work can't violate the law

[grim kestrel]

Nah like make it where non-compete clause is strictly for securing their work and still allows people to go to another company is what I mean

[blissful perch]

hard to quantify but sure in an ideal world where nobody is tempted to a competitor to sell company secrets

[grim kestrel]

The bill currently is too broad and is why I don't want it to pass

[untold ingot]

I mean, noncompete are fine, but so many people can't work in their own industry at all because of misuse of non-competes.

[tropic crag]

That's moreso what I meant, that part

[untold ingot]

I had a friend who worked for a restaurant that made them sign a noncompete, then fired them. And now the can't even work at Macdonalds for another 3 years

[mighty lion]

The bill is needed to ensure we have a proper workforce. It is economically detrimental to eliminate skilled labor

[untold ingot]

Imo noncompetes and companies owning their employees ideas is such a stupid thing

[grim kestrel]

at least if they change it to where they couldn't work on specifically same thing but could go to another company, then regular people can work in the same field and those that try to sell trade secrets well the company can sue them.

[tropic crag]

Yeah, they just wanted to make a quick buck by abusing a shittily written clause

[untold ingot]

People looking for a job and seeing that the restaurant pays a bunch

[tropic crag]

Because Ark got popular and their games didn't

[untold ingot]

It's way more common than you would think

[blissful perch]

choice is also a luxury

[untold ingot]

Companies completely abuse the freedom of making their employees sign contracts like that

I don't know if I am entirely against noncompetes, but if you aren't lead engineer or something, you shouldn't have to sign one to work imo

[blissful perch]

the legal process is often threat enough

[untold ingot]

Yes because the waitress has the funds to sue a megacorp restaurant and win

[blissful perch]

in fairness the company would sue you if they found you violated the contract

[grim kestrel]

We're not disagreeing with that, that obviously a fact.

What we're saying is as broad as the current bill is the companies would become the one abused and where that doesn't sound so bad in some situations in the long term you would discover no significant improvements getting made cause no one wants to get ripped off from a company standpoint.

[tropic crag]

Just don't let them find out, ez

[blissful perch]

welcome to the difference between "on paper" and "in practice"

[untold ingot]

Either way, there needs to be a ton more restrictions on what noncompetes are allowed to be signed

[grim kestrel]

I believe Berserker pretty accurate with the restaurant argument

[mighty lion]

I agree with noncompete for the sale of a business, but not for regular workers, especially non executives.

[untold ingot]

Not with tech jobs though

[blissful perch]

they really only make sense for idea based work environments

anything in media for example

[untold ingot]

Even then they should be restricted

[tropic crag]

And even then, only if ideas aren't their own, if they can prove they came up with it first, then it shouldn't be enforceable

[grim kestrel]

I've already gave my opinion of the bill, as is it needs to fail. If it can be written specifically for everything in the company not the people I'd revisit it.

[blissful perch]

"if they can prove they came up with it first" is very hard to prove

[untold ingot]

It should be up to the company to prove that they didn't come up with it lol

[brisk adder]

not gonna be playable when devs are corrupted. doesn't matter how good the game will be, next day devs are selling their services lmfao

[blissful perch]

there are many valid WC critiques, but corrupt ain't one I'd use

[brisk adder]

sold for the highest bidder?

[blissful perch]

nothing corrupt about selling a company if you need capital and have none

[fallow niche]

Probably best to bring it back to Ark 2

[brisk adder]

unless u see it with your own eyes i guess

[blissful perch]

i like ark 2 coming soon, and that sale to snail made it possible

it's not corrupt though...it's a normal business activity

[brisk adder]

not that what i mean

pocket admins

that's what i mean! everything is allowed if you have one.

[tropic crag]

That was, sadly, Snail's fault and they need to answer for it

They were blackmailing devs into this so-called "pocket dev" behaviour

[grim kestrel]

That the first time I've heard the term pocket admins lol

[tropic crag]

Anywho, nothing to do with Ark 2 currently

[blissful perch]

have an underfunded and understaffed system and that's how things get done

you take on the most "safe" and most urgent tasks

[tropic crag]

You think members of Snail aren't in the mega tribes? Lmao

[brisk adder]

I mean we all know it

because they will not fix this, ark 2 will die. it's better to not even buy it from the start

[tropic crag]

Either way, still has nothing to do with Ark 2

[brisk adder]

same team, same admins same thing! or u that dump? lol

[calm matrix]

does anyone know how to screen share????

[tropic crag]

#bobs-with-probs , this is for Ark 2 chat

[mint swan]

Really said “don’t buy ark2”

[grim kestrel]

Okay well you don't have to personally buy it

[tropic crag]

Right, like why tf you here then

[untold ingot]

I am pretty certain that wildcard wasn't the one who did this

[grim kestrel]

Courtney be watching the chat enjoying popcorn lol

[brisk adder]

they are not just involved in ark2, they are involved in the company it self--- what's happening in ark 1 is a problem for whoever is involved in ark2. you don't invest in just a game they are investing in the company.

[mint swan]

Channel is called “ark2”
This guy: comes in here specifically to say ark 2 sucks (it’s literally many months before it’s early access is even released)

((The game literally does not exist yet))

[untold ingot]

Basically everyone here knows that snail games is trash. But wildcard definitely isn't. So I'll buy it anyway

[brisk adder]

not what i mean, if you know how to read! i am not talking about the game it self. the game might be amazing, what i mean is if they don't fix their teams, same problem with ark 1 will happen there. ark 1 has some glitches and problems but most of the actual problems aren't from the game, it's either from third party or with the admins.

[grim kestrel]

I fortunately don't have to buy it thanks to Gamepass Ultimate

[mint swan]

It comes with the game pass??? That’s awesome

[split dove]

yup, day one on game pass

[mint swan]

Damn

That’s pretty nice ngl

[grim kestrel]

OMG Jesse went offline

_>

[untold ingot]

Probably has a meeting

[grim kestrel]

First time I haven't seen them on over there

[untold ingot]

He was obviously abducted by aliens

[split dove]

the Aratai got angry they were making us stronger so they abducted him

[untold ingot]

They are running around on space Twitter with signs "nerf Bob"

[past wind]

They have fought and Cedric took the power is my guess

[untold ingot]

Nah, he is too nice

[split dove]

cedric uses jeremy and Santiago as puppet leaders

[past wind]

But Jesse suggested gigas could be brought to Ark 2

[untold ingot]

Well, except Santiago is gone, because vindiago took his place

[past wind]

Cedric knows what the community thinks

[untold ingot]

Burn it with fire 🔥🔥🔥

Gigas need to be gone lol

Or nerfed to sub Rex status

[mint swan]

They should rework gigas if they add them

[untold ingot]

Imo Rex, giga, carcha, spino should all be similar and practically equally balanced

[split dove]

it should be like the yuty is compared to the rex, basicly the same size, but can do some unique things the rex can't

[mint swan]

IMO They shouldn’t be just different looking rexes, they should have a completely different set of abilities and uses

It makes me sad that almost all big theropods in the game are almost the exact same, just with different stats and maybe an extra ability

[untold ingot]

I mean spinos are good how they are

[grim kestrel]

I think allos should of got fear roar when in a pack and yuty only got damage boost roar

[mint swan]

Yuty should make you warm in cold climates when you ride it

Kinda like the bear

[grim kestrel]

which put an otter around your neck and you can settle for 0 fortitude lol

[mint swan]

And it would be neat if you could put it into “nesting mode” and it sits beside your fertilized eggs and keeps them warm

Transportable air con that can also destroy your enemies

[grim kestrel]

Think I'd be okay with them moving otter to your head and curling up like a ushanka hat lol

[mint swan]

Otters are already adorable, being able to choose to place them on your head like little hats would make them even better

[lime flicker]

I thought you were going somewhere else with this gulp 🫣

[mint swan]

Huh?

[split dove]

[lime flicker]

Otter hats 🫣

[mint swan]

OH

Hell no LMAO

[lime flicker]

lmao

[untold ingot]

I mean...

[mint swan]

Just saying, jerboas on the other hand are well known for dropping a large amount of hide

[split dove]

you monster

[grim kestrel]

gawd dam et, this is why we can't have nice things 🤣

[untold ingot]

Jerboas are the best damage number checks

[mint swan]

NOO I’m joking I promise

I could never harm the little fluffy mice

[split dove]

🗡️

[mint swan]

I’ve never even killed one (except once by accident :(( )

[grim kestrel]

rice weasle

[mint swan]

Micro raptors will always be my favourite shoulder pets though

Sinos are good as well

[grim kestrel]

Micro raptors are up there with ichy birds >_>

[split dove]

doesn't help that they got basicly the same sound as archas, i confuse them more for archas

[mint swan]

Micro raptors are one of my top five favourite creatures in the game in fact

[grim kestrel]

You must not of traversed ground of redwoods much lol

Despise micro raptors lmao

[mint swan]

Incorrect, I used to live there

[split dove]

maniac

[verbal wind]

microraptors are a pain but i love them

[mint swan]

I hate wild ones with a passion, but once tamed they’re amazing

[untold ingot]

Micro raptors just need a counter

[mint swan]

Stego

[verbal wind]

they're like having pretty little peacocks

[grim kestrel]

don't leave him alone with anyone, might be the next jack the ripper 🤣

[mint swan]

The world of ark is lucky I don’t play on servers

I’d tame fifty and set them to attack my target and walk around the server spreading havoc

That would be fun Lmao

[tropic crag]

Doesn't the Sino do that?

[verbal wind]

not really

[grim kestrel]

Not gonna lie on official I took a giga that was given to us by alpha of that cluster via fert egg and left it on wander and aggressive in the highlands of rag when we were moving to unofficial

[swift hinge]

It does, it screeches it away

[mint swan]

1. Deinonychus
2. Yutyrannus
3. Micro raptor and sino tied
4. Tapejara
5. Theri

[verbal wind]

ah huh. never used the screech against anything but bugs

[mint swan]

Diabolical lmao

[blissful perch]

Wait but it wasn’t fixed in ark 1 yet it’s played 🙃

[grim kestrel]

it was PvE so no hazard really, but people were probably like wtf

[mint swan]

Ohh I see

[swift hinge]

I wonder what Dino’s will be in ark 2, like gen 2 Dino’s because I’m pretty sure the ship crashed into ark 2’s planet

[mint swan]

I bet it’s probably gonna be somewhat the same, but with more dinos added in

[split dove]

seeing as the brachio will probably replace the bronto it won't be limited to what we saw physically on gen 2

[grim kestrel]

I would like for Wildcard to mix PvP and PvE servers, cause I would partake in some PvP if I could base in a PvE server main

[verbal wind]

i'm happy to see the brachi

[mint swan]

As much as I love the bronto, that makes me super excited

[swift hinge]

So maewings?

[blissful perch]

We can pray they aren’t 🙏

[mint swan]

I have a feeling they may exclude fictional creatures

[split dove]

also it's not the cursed ark 1 brachio skin for the bronto.
that shit haunts my nightmares everytime i see it

[mint swan]

At least I hope they do

[split dove]

even if they are in Ark 2, the mobility should be heavily nerfed

[verbal wind]

looked like a bronto that lost weight to an unhealthy degree

[blissful perch]

Fictional as in the manticore/griffin or fictional like the mana or the plant lizard

[swift hinge]

I want them to

[split dove]

they won't, aratai are clear examples of fictional creatures, i hope mythology based creatures don't return as well

[blissful perch]

If we’re lucky the mythology creatures won’t be in ark 2

[mint swan]

Everything. Nothing but extinct creatures. Pterosaurs, dinosaurs, creatures from the Cenozoic, only those. Im crossing my fingers lol

[blissful perch]

Oh that’s confirmed false then. Plant lizard and Aratai, as well as basic game description mean alien creatures are a certainty

[mint swan]

Darn.

Well the dinosaurs in ark are alien creatures anyway

[blissful perch]

🤷‍♂️ ark was about taming first, dinosaurs second. Doesn’t mean dinosaurs aren’t the center stage creatures though

[split dove]

no no shifter, the aratai are just official pvp players who haven't gone outside in years, they've mutated

[grim kestrel]

Griffin were nice it not like they had many uses besides taming while mounting

[mint swan]

I hope they make the sky as dangerous as the sea and the land this time

[grim kestrel]

Have wyverns or something as tough fly in more areas than just their nest

[mint swan]

I’d love to see maybe aggressive quetzals. They could be the gigas of the sky

[split dove]

flying alien creatures from Arat can fill that role, i hope we don't have wyverns in Ark 2

[blissful perch]

High key let’s not see wyverns in ark 2. Overdone

[split dove]

we already have like 10 variants, we don't need another one

[verbal wind]

aggro quetz would be neat. on the hunted mod i shit bricks every time a quetzal wanders close to my base

[stray elm]

We're on a alien planet, anything can become a substitute for none-returning ARK-1 creatures.

[stark moth]

As long as the flight/ attack mechanics are improved. Circle of doom is no way to have an aerial battle

[split dove]

local arat life can take some of those roles

[mint swan]

Quetzals irl where badass gigantic predators, quetzals in ark are goofy Mohawk lizards

[verbal wind]

flying semi trucks

[mint swan]

I love that you called is “circle of doom” lmao

[verbal wind]

one thing i want for flyers is the ability to glide

[split dove]

i also wouldn't be mad having a intro/first spawn cinematic showing the ship blowing up, with gen 2's hated creatures being seen disintegrating into dust

[mint swan]

The flying ai definitely needs to be approved, I’d love swooping and gliding and barrel rolling, it would be sm fun

[mint swan]

Better than “arm scratchy scratchy”

[split dove]

also kinda fills new players in on the connecting story between Ark 1 and Ark 2. and possibly showing what happend to our survivor if we are the same one from the Gen 2 ending

[mint swan]

True! I didn’t even know there was lore when I first started playing

[verbal wind]

easter egg, find the shell of HLN-A

[split dove]

reassemble her like a lego set 🪦

[mint swan]

That would make me so sad to see a destroyed HLN-A, I love her

[verbal wind]

yus

a quest to reassemble

and by the end you get your little emoting companion back

[brisk adder]

ark 1 is playable?

[split dove]

it could make sense bc she's a robot, imagine trying to reassemble rockwells burned atoms

[mint swan]

Instead of explore notes, there should be hln-a pieces, and after that maybe ruins and the fossils of creatures from the past arks

[stray elm]

Hard to do that when she's dead

[mint swan]

Yeah but she’s a robot, she can be fixed

[split dove]

just collect the pieces and make a lego set esc trophy to display 🪓

[verbal wind]

she was an AI in a robot body. programming can be backed up and reinstalled

[stray elm]

Not how that shit works, pal

If you bust a TV enough, it's irreparable.

[mint swan]

Idk u why are you called me “pal”

[split dove]

now hold on buckaroo

[untold ingot]

And ai aren't as easily replaceable unless their database was in the cloud

[mint swan]

Hold your horses cowboy

[verbal wind]

but if the data in the tv was backed up on a server, you can put that data into a new tv and it's like nothing happened

[mint swan]

So maybe a hard drive? Idk

[stray elm]

Don't need to be someone's friend to call them a 'pal'

[mint swan]

Well it’s weird lol

[verbal wind]

he's not your pal, buddy!

[stray elm]

"I'm not your buddy, chum"

[stray elm]

She wasn't on any storage

[untold ingot]

Honestly I don't want to see hlna again

[verbal wind]

none that we know of

[split dove]

''ain't nobody gon' be my friend buckaroo''

[mint swan]

I haven’t gotten that far yet so I don’t know exactly how she works

[stray elm]

She was literally half of Helena's consciousness.

[mint swan]

I just assumed she was some robot thingy

So I thought she could just kinda be okay with being screwed together with a screw driver and all fixed

[lavish rain]

Isn't a robot thingy that let me play blackjack so I didn't care

[split dove]

''this isn't how you play the game''

[stray elm]

This is shown in the Genesis-1 announcement trailer.

[stark moth]

I'm already assuming Meeka is Helena reborn

[verbal wind]

not sure if it was 'literally' half her consciousness. Helena made HLN-A after her ascension

[stray elm]

Helena is still alive.

[mint swan]

It would be cool to at least see a reference or Easter egg for her even if we don’t have her exactly

[stray elm]

We kind of already do in the trailer.

[mint swan]

I’m a new-ish player, it’s not like I know everything, calm down

[verbal wind]

Helena did that whole 'evolved past the need for a physical form' thing

[stray elm]

There's wall painting of HLN-A in the trailer

[stark moth]

We have clones so that doesn't matter much

[verbal wind]

a-la Q from star trek or Ancients from Stargate

[lavish rain]

I'll make my own game, with blackjack, and hookers

[stray elm]

I just said "This is shown in the Genesis-1 announcement trailer."
Giving you information you may or may not had known.
Why do I need to calm down?

[mint swan]

Sorry I replied to the wrong thing

[stray elm]

Ahh

[mint swan]

That’s good information to know, I’ll check it out later

[mint swan]

Meant to reply to this

[stray elm]

Well, in general that's not how electronics work.

[mint swan]

I’m not a software engineer

[stray elm]

Neither am I

And that'd be hardware

[mint swan]

Oh right lol

Hardware is all the robot thingys

Yeah

[stray elm]

Isn't clear if it's canon or not.
'Buuuuut' it isn't stated otherwise if it isn't canon, and it's the closest we'll probably get to a prequel to Genesis-1, so it's canon until proven otherwise.

[verbal wind]

HLN-A was an AI in future technology. it could very well work out that it had a backup somewhere

[stray elm]

Hardware is anything physical, like a graphics card or motherboard.
Software is anything digital, from apps to operating systems to even games

[mint swan]

Ark tends to have a lot of those “Sort of canon maybe but also not really at the same time”

[mint swan]

Yeah you worded it better than I did LMAO

[stray elm]

Yeah, it's good at that.
"Is this canon, or is it not? Welp, we gotta just wing with it until proven otherwise"

[mint swan]

Yeah, tbh maybe it’s actually better that way

Ark is more of a “show more than you tell” deal

So lots of it is up for interruption

[blissful perch]

official ain't (for me), but then again I'm not one of the many who play it

[stray elm]

Like, the inventory system is obviously not canon.
But like, is it canon everyone looks like a malformed version of each other after Helena gave future survivors the ability to respawn?

[mint swan]

Wait isn’t the inventory system inside of the implant?

So kindaaaaa canon???

[stray elm]

Gameplay, yes.

But canonically, no.

We have pockets on our clothes.

[mint swan]

I hope to see the extremely malformed monsters you can make in the surviver customization thingy in the canon lore. /j

[mint swan]

Ohh, my bad. I thought it was actually part of the lore

[stray elm]

Nah.
But it does act as a universal translator, tracking device, and it itches as all balls!

[mint swan]

Universal translator?

Can I tell my raptor “hey what’s good bro”

[stray elm]

Yep.
It's why everyone is able to talk to each other in-canon, even though they're from different nations and time

[stray elm]

This is in-fact why creatures are so obedient.

[mint swan]

WHAT

[stray elm]

Akin to calling a dog

[mint swan]

That’s so cool

I gotta read into the lore more

[stray elm]

Obviously since dinosaurs don't talk through vocal-cords, they don't talk back. But they do follow commands like a loyal canine the moment you gain their trust.

[verbal wind]

explorer notes give a good look into the lore of the game

[stray elm]

Which then I wonder, if they're able to understand. Could you guilt-trip a more intelligence creature in not killing you.

[mint swan]

So it doesn’t work for animalistic sounds, gotcha

[stray elm]

Yep, vocal-cords only.
Body-language though is easy to read in real-life. But obviously no one does that in ARK since 'video-game'

[mint swan]

manipulates and guiltrips the lvl 150 alpha raptor outside of my base into not destroying me

[stray elm]

Alpha creatures are weird.
They're never once mentioned in the lore

[mint swan]

Speaking of alphas, I’m pretty sure they aren’t canon

I did some research and it said that they where only put there as mini bosses

[verbal wind]

gigas definitely are

[stray elm]

Most likely not, since we're also suppose to get keys from killing the bosses to open up the tek-cave. But in-game it's their heads

[mint swan]

I wish they where added into the lore though

[stray elm]

"Ayo, Helena. Why's that raptor smoking a blunt?"

[mint swan]

Super charged, giant glowing creatures that never eat and destroy everything in their path sounds badass

Oh but I’m pretty sure the alpha leed could be

In the dossier, wasn’t it mentioned that survivors would hunt a giant “albino leed”, which could be a reference to the white colour often seen in alpha creatures

[stray elm]

Yeah, but it also could've been a reference to mobydick.

[mint swan]

True

The more I think of it, the more your theory makes more sense lmao

[tropic crag]

Doesn't she literally say that she's doing that in the ending cutscene? 😂

[verbal wind]

if a santiago clone could wake up and know that he 'respawned again', why can't HLN-A have a version of respawning?

[mint swan]

“Damn I’m about to die, better Upload myself to my SABRENT 2.5-Inch SATA to USB 3.0 Tool-Free External Hard Drive Enclosure [Optimized for SSD, Support UASP SATA III] Black (EC-UASP)”

[stray elm]

Fair warning Stock, you're gonna get spoiled here of Genesis-2's ending since it has to do with ARK-2.

[verbal wind]

it's high tech scifi nonsense, the writers could do practically anything with that

[grim kestrel]

What is happening right now lol

[mint swan]

I have plenty of time to catch up on the lore, I’ll make sure to do that before I play ark 2

[verbal wind]

i recommend the Neddy the Noodle explorer note series on youtube

it'll at least get you through aberration

[mint swan]

I really don’t want to spoil before finishing ark1 myself, but I need to. I started playing way to late and I don’t play often enough to get through it all so I might as well just watch an explanation

[mint swan]

I will! Thank you!

[stray elm]

Sure, if they wanted to figure out a way to bring her back.
But as of 'right now' there's no logical way to do so.
She has no other vessel to go to that we know of other then the one she was made in.
Her main body would be gone, so she'd need a new one.
Which unless Helena is going to make a new one, kind of hard to do with just Unga-Bunga technology.

[verbal wind]

we see in the ark 2 trailer that there are pockets of tek gear left

[tropic crag]

The Eden ring: "What do I look like, chopped liver?"

[verbal wind]

Santiago activates a console by a sleep pod/cloning chamber

[stray elm]

That's if tek-gear has computer components inside of them to actually be able to be ported onto.

[stray elm]

'yes'

[verbal wind]

not saying they will, it would just be nice because she's the one helper companion that I like and it's a shame it died

[mint swan]

No idea why so many people hate her, she’s great lol

[bold juniper]

Who

Hlna?

[verbal wind]

HLN-A

[bold juniper]

It’s not a natural transition with her dialogue

That’s why the cutscenes are great

[lavish rain]

She's annoying

[mint swan]

I think she’s funny lmao

[bold juniper]

The weapon from halo is good example on how to do it

[bold juniper]

At times but others not so much

[verbal wind]

it can be a bit intrusive at times

[stray elm]

Mostly due to her being a force companion on a game that never had that before.
But many people don't know that you can actually mute her

[verbal wind]

but I like the design, and how it emotes as it talks

[lavish rain]

Point being: I'll make my own ark game, with blackjack!

[mint swan]

That makes sense, I guess when when you’re alone for the entire game, having someone chatting in your ear can feel a bit weird

Out of place even

[verbal wind]

better than Navi

[stray elm]

Anything is better then Navi

[verbal wind]

they're not shouting HEY! in your ear every two minutes

[mint swan]

Who’s Navi?

[lavish rain]

Who

[stray elm]

A companion in a Zelda game.

[mint swan]

Ohhh

[verbal wind]

and i feel old now

[mint swan]

As much as I love HLN-A, I kinda hope we don’t have another companion in ark2

[stray elm]

Nah, I want even more in ARK-2

[mint swan]

Besides shoulder pets ofc 🫶

[stray elm]

Ew

[verbal wind]

bee shoulder pet when

[mint swan]

Tameable bugs when.

[stray elm]

Nah, give us recruitable Aratai's.

[stray elm]

They've been tamable.

[verbal wind]

dung beetle, scorpion, centipede, mantis

[stray elm]

Spiders

[mint swan]

I’ve never seen anyone walk around with a meganura on their shoulder

[stray elm]

Cause they're useless

But they are tamable.

[mint swan]

I was talking about ants and dragonflies

[verbal wind]

there's a mod that makes dragonflies tameable

[mint swan]

Should’ve been more specific sorry

But yeah,I mean without mods

Idk I just think they’re neat

[stray elm]

Fair

[mint swan]

Could be like a more venomous version of the micro raptor maybe

[tropic crag]

Since when?

[stray elm]

They originally just said 'bugs' which is what I meant.
Their second message then stated 'meganura' but I didn't see that part.

[mint swan]

I don’t see how they can be useful unless they had a tlc (unlikely) but I find them pretty at least

[tropic crag]

Read, damnit!

[stray elm]

Who's dammit?

And why're you yelling at them?

[tropic crag]

I love Halloween colored ones, I get a dermis or two every year

[stray elm]

Oh wait, you said 'read, dammit'

Bruise, you know I'm fucking with you, right?

[mint swan]

Nono it was my fault, I said “bugs” when referring to ants and dragonflies when there’s so many bugs in the game

[stray elm]

No need to apologize.
We go after each others throats all the time

It's kind of our thing?

[mint swan]

Dw, I take 0 offence to it

[tropic crag]

I know, I just like busting Bootleg's balls when I can, especially for slip ups like that

[mint swan]

Balls⁉️

[stray elm]

Don't worry, I don't have anymore.

[verbal wind]

the meganuera probably isn't tameable for pvp reasons. high level ones can be annoying to take down on foot with their tiny hitboxes

[stray elm]

Tell that to dimorphs

[mint swan]

They like to hover just above large dinosaur’s hit boxes

[split dove]

Bootleg euthanized confirmed?

[mint swan]

True Giga killers /hj

[verbal wind]

i've seen so many dragonflies with arrows stuck in their wings

[stray elm]

I'm not dead?

[split dove]

shit meant spayed/neuterd

[split dove]

not yet

[stray elm]

There you go!

[mint swan]

Euthanasia

[stray elm]

Don't worry, if I'm gonna die. I'm dying factionably.