ark-2

[past wind]

There was plenty of time to grow

[stray elm]

I'd rather deal with a rex then a pissed brachi.
Cause a rex, while would easily kill a human, you could outsmart.
The fuck are you gonna outsmart from a 2000+ ton behemoth?

[covert tapir]

true but compare the little girl hastn grown a bit tho? i highly doubt shes from the arks they must have given her an implant or something

[past wind]

Id rather deal with dodos, they are chilled little dudes

[covert tapir]

but well see about the time skip and stuff

[untold ingot]

Show it you k ow algebra. It'll be impressed and leave you alone

[covert tapir]

but i doubt the arks would send kids onto the islands

[stray elm]

You aren't 'given' implants.
They're fabricated onto your skeleton.

Actually, we can see this in the second trailer.
We see a skeleton of a survivor, with their implant being fused into their arm.

[untold ingot]

Because that would raise the games rating lol

[covert tapir]

yeah but who knows maybe santiago can infuse them cause he is a smart fella after all

[stray elm]

Yes they would.
They 100% would

[past wind]

She might have. Anyway, if I were the guy behind those trailers, I would insert Easter eggs

[covert tapir]

we still dont know if they actually age?

creatures evolved from what we see

so some time passed

[stray elm]

The ARK's where made with no moral ground with mind.
The Genesis-ship was the moral place, keeping their people in a simulation to entertain/prepare them for their new planet.
The ARK's just mostly tested for any age/time period people to see what era/age of a human is the best for survival.

[past wind]

I think she will be just an Npc. I don’t believe we will have kids. Atlas tried that, they have given up.

[stray elm]

They tried and got a 'looot' of backlash from it.

I'd love NPC companions that're part of your tribe.
But admittedly, it's a bit weird to have children in a video-game.

But personally, I wouldn't be 'opposed' to it. As long as they don't add any animations.
I'd probably just wouldn't participate.

[covert tapir]

talking about that, will our tribe be set up somewhere? will ee actually have a tribe, can they die. what do you guys think

[stray elm]

What you mean?
You mean characters like Santiago/Vin?

[covert tapir]

yeah , i wonder if we can meet them or maybe we are them

[stray elm]

Oh hell no, they've confirmed we're not them.
You know how many people would be pissed if we couldn't make our own characters?

[covert tapir]

well they could have made a story mode and a free mode

[stray elm]

And yeah, it's a bit of a given we'll be able to meet them.
They wouldn't hire voice-actors just then we wouldn't meet them.

[covert tapir]

that would require 2 save files tho

[stray elm]

Yeah, there is a story-mode.
It's called 'following the story'

It'd be idiotic if they had a "story-mode" for an open-world game.
The way they have it in Genesis-2 is just fine. If they actually gave the missions some story.

[covert tapir]

hell no i want a real story not just " do this so i can get into the ships computer"

[untold ingot]

Well, I for one don't want a real story lol. I want to make the story

[stray elm]

That's what I just fucking said.

[covert tapir]

thats fine too i just dont want the "everyone is gone here a some explorer notes "typ of story

[stray elm]

Yeah, and it'll happen.
'Within the form of story-based missions' (in theory)

[untold ingot]

I didn't dislike that

[mighty lion]

Mission mission, optional cutscene ... mission mission, cool unlocks.. mission mission... regional boss

Is what I forsee

[covert tapir]

i didnt dislike it but i dont want it again 😂 we have had it for 6 maps damn

[untold ingot]

But 1 game

I would kind of like it for 2 games

[stray elm]

Genesis-2 told it's plot through the missions (as poor as it was) and it's expanded universe through the notes.
Which is how it should be, personally

[grim kestrel]

Ark has a real story, it how you begin and get to the end, they only control the ending. What you want is a linear story where you just do what they intend for you to do and nothing more.

[covert tapir]

i know all about arks story but our character was not part of it

everything already happened

or am i missing something

[grim kestrel]

Your character was apart of it how you got to that point on your own, it wasn't pre-determined.

If you just speed ran the transcendence, then you missed the whole point of the story. anyone who took it slower and casually built up for transcendence and not to just raid other people feel like they connected more than those just trying to PvP which is exactly why I prefer PvE in games like Ark

[covert tapir]

what does that have to do with anything that i said lol, i take things slow and get every explorer note and only do pve

[grim kestrel]

Most of the story is your journey

They just tell you how it ends

[covert tapir]

there are 2 seperste storys, mine and the people that were there before me

[grim kestrel]

Yes

[covert tapir]

yes

im looking forward to having more npc story but that doesnt mean my story is non existent

[grim kestrel]

Hopefully that will be more prevalent with the fact we'll have AI tribes some of which we will probably be able to interact with quest/story wise and others we have to fight.

That would be a nice addition

[gusty granite]

It’s the same game only difference is you play it in easy mode

[grim kestrel]

Lol, no difference is the people I play with actually want to build an astatically appealing base not necessarily got to have ultimate defense.

[untold ingot]

As if pvp is hard lol

[gusty granite]

Lol compared to pve yes

[mighty lion]

Oh those vault drops towers must be perfectly aligned and symmetric

[stray elm]

We're part of the story, but all of the built-up has already happened.

Cause that's exactly that, the notes where the buildup to 'us.'
Our story starts on The-Island, whoever you are is up to you.
What our motivation to get the the Tek-cave is up to you.
Your reaction to all of these tales are up to you, if you even decided to read them.
The story of ARK is about restoring Earth, and 'we' do that.
Your motivation is for you to decide, but the story of the Titans and Corruption does focus around us.

[tepid bridge]

Is ark 2 gonna be really bad for pvp?

[split dove]

combat will be more skill dependant, player movement/traversal options are upgraded. compared to current Ark 1 pvp i think it's gonna be more variable and interesting to watch. changes that make the PvE aspects like dinos better can also be a positive for pvp. it's also advertised with the tag for online pvp.
Considering those changes and additions i think pvp will be better on Ark 2

[grim kestrel]

Only if you can't adapt to bows, dark souls melee, and 3rd person parkour movement

[tepid bridge]

Nah, that sounds ass

[tepid bridge]

Thats nothing like ark thats a whole new game

[grim kestrel]

Ark 2 is a new game 🤣

[tepid bridge]

Dude thats gonna kill the pvp community

They hopping on the souls bandwagon

Its gonna be a new horizons but with real dinos

[grim kestrel]

Primitive style basically the direction primitive plus was going.

[tepid bridge]

Its a good thing they bringing ark 1 to unreal engine

Cause ark 2 is probably gonna die 💀

[grim kestrel]

For you.

Ark 2 is going to be a success for the rest of us

[tepid bridge]

Nah man ive heard alot of people say what ive said and just confirmed it 💀

[grim kestrel]

The Wildcard Founders Note sold a lot of us without game play footage required

[tepid bridge]

Wait till u actually play then lmao

[grim kestrel]

hold the door open This is the way out if you don't want it.

[tepid bridge]

Cringe 💀

[grim kestrel]

Yes you are, we're moving forward with a much more fluid movement system, a game that won't be ruin by OP tek, will have AI tribes not just dinos to deal with, and 10x more manipulative building system all of that confirmed by the founders note.

But you don't need to worry about it to soon anyways, it a time exclusive for PC and Xbox

[tepid bridge]

We will watch it die 💀

[grim kestrel]

Oh I almost forgot best part...

Cross platform modding

[tepid bridge]

Thats the only redeeming quality 💀

[grim kestrel]

Nope, every bit and much more is a much needed improvement, prim+ was the best version of Ark 1 it just a shame they decided to hold any updates and put that time into Ark 2

[tepid bridge]

Huge hot take lmaoo

[grim kestrel]

Anyhow the rest of us in this chat are actually hyping the game up, so you're a lone wolf in this channel.

[tawny depot]

you guys dont think ark2 going to be good?

[grim kestrel]

We do, the PSN user is just a lone wolf. The rest of us today have been hyping it up

And when I say today, I mean I've been chatting with people in like 3 different channels in this discord looking forward to Ark 2 for like 3+ hours. Most time straight chatting in discord I've done in one sitting in a while.

[tepid bridge]

Alot of people do they just dont have platforms

[grim kestrel]

Most people do, it just the few that can't embrace the fact you won't get your tek suit and guns to have a CoD shootout and will actually have to adjust your playstyle.

[tepid bridge]

The game is gonna be nothing like og ark it wont have the same feeling

[tepid bridge]

Tell me you play pve without telling me u play pve

[grim kestrel]

It not supposed to have the same feeling, for starters Wildcard themselves even said tek was the worst thing they added to the game and I agree with them.

[tepid bridge]

Cry about it lmao

[grim kestrel]

Lol, you're the one crying because the new game not the same.

Take your lone wolf self back to an Ark 1 chat

[tepid bridge]

😂

[stark moth]

I think Ark 2 will be amazing

[potent hull]

i am all was her

[thick moat]

if they maker eal what they are all promising on the steam page, yes, it will be a banger

[grim kestrel]

Check out the Ark Founders Note, it a long article giving a lot of detail.

[thick moat]

yeah I did the day it released lmao

read it whole

[grim kestrel]

That sold me on it, if I didn't have Gamepass Ultimate that would be my pre-order right there, but at most I might have to buy DLC as it'll be gamepass day one

[thick moat]

same, between the steam page and what they said on the note, it's very promising

[mint swan]

Will ARK 2 come to PlayStation? I looked it up and it said it was an XBox exclusive, but I only have a PS5 and I love ARK.

[split dove]

as far as we know it's just a timed exclusive, so not at launch but probably some time after

[south lance]

ark2 is bad because i cant aimbot with fab rifle in first person 😔

[split dove]

Ark 2 will suck bc my spear isn't hitscan 😔

[mint swan]

That's good news as I really want the game when it comes out because who wouldn't?

[somber drift]

same

im looking for where charchar spawns on valguero if it does

[thick moat]

Ark 2 will be ass because I can't use ini and gain performance😔

[somber drift]

3 person only to so yea

[thick moat]

what

[somber drift]

charchardontosaurus

u know where

[thick moat]

yeah i know it's carcha but we were talking about ark 2 xd

[somber drift]

oh

oops lol

[thick moat]

though ill respond anyways, they are where gigas spawn

[somber drift]

ok ty

[thick moat]

i can send here a spawn map

if u want

[somber drift]

sure ty

[thick moat]

https://ark.wiki.gg/wiki/Spawn_Map/Valguero?creature=Carcharodontosaurus

[somber drift]

ty

[thick moat]

np

[somber drift]

[thick moat]

yessirr

[silent sable]

[nocturne lily]

got dayum thats a helluva thagomizer on that stego concept

[thick moat]

i love that name stego tail has lmfao

[split dove]

carnivores be talking a lot of shit whilst in optimal thagomizer distance

[south lance]

thagomize these bobs

[astral token]

Git thagged

[tough bolt]

Lol

[scarlet onyx]

E

Are iguanodon goods for level 35

[hazy elm]

This game is going to kill ark 1

[scarlet onyx]

Wdym

Are iguanodons good?

[mint swan]

Yeah

They are pretty good for begin

Is it your first creatire taming?

[mint swan]

Are you level 35 or is the iguanodon?

[scarlet onyx]

Me

[mint swan]

Yea i guess they are pretty usefull for your level

I mean they have alot of stam they are pretty fast and they can collect lots of berrys

[scarlet onyx]

It only took 1 tranq arrow

[mint swan]

Oh damn

Must be a very low level

[scarlet onyx]

It’s 23

[dusky jackal]

When come ark 2 on console??

[mint swan]

But i mean they are basicly much better parasaurs but without the parasaur ability (which is basicly useless in pve)

[mint swan]

It will come on xbox on the same release date as pc

[scarlet onyx]

I’m playing ark 1

[mint swan]

Ps5 not confirmed

Pregen consoles probably never

[scarlet onyx]

Yo @mint swan wanna play ark1 ???

[mint swan]

I cant im omw to school rn

I mean school/college i really dont know its different here in my country

But my ps plus is also gone so i probably still couldnt

[scarlet onyx]

I’m stupid

[mint swan]

Lmao

But you got any flyers yet?

Like pteranodon

[scarlet onyx]

I’m trying to get one

Every one I find is like level 15

[mint swan]

Ye that sucks

[scarlet onyx]

I’m on ragnarok

[mint swan]

Viking bay prob?

[scarlet onyx]

Idk

I have three Ankys

[mint swan]

Or ok wait are you next to the blue pillar?

[scarlet onyx]

Yeah

[mint swan]

Then you are at jungle prob

[scarlet onyx]

Yeah

My base has heeps of iron nodes near it

[thick lintel]

Guys, you might want to continue this convo unrelate to ark 2 somewhere else before it gets deleted or someone gets annoyed!

[scarlet onyx]

Oh yeah

Yo @mint swan imma die fr fr

[mint swan]

Wait go in ark chat

[tropic crag]

This channel is for Ark 2, maybe go to the #ark-survival-ascended channel?

[scarlet onyx]

We are in that channel rn

[tropic crag]

No, you aren't. This is #ark-2

[scarlet onyx]

We were talking in that channel

[mint swan]

These messages were like 10 min ago we already swapped cuz someone told us

[mint swan]

^

[mint swan]

^

[mighty lion]

Already has compared to pre announcement

[worldly garden]

👀

[elfin pumice]

i want a dlc where the entire map is underwater and terrestrial lifeforms live in giant underwater cave systems. You would need aquatic dinos to go between cave systems and all the good resources would be very deep where little to no light reaches

[iron sequoia]

Mhm skip water stuff for base game and keep it to a dlc so it gets the proper love it deserves

[elfin pumice]

the initial map needs to have at least some lakes

[iron sequoia]

Lakes yes

Ocean no

If dlc is done they can make the lakes have tunnels or a cave in future to match the new water expansion

[elfin pumice]

im 99% sure there will be DLCs in the future

[iron sequoia]

Mhm hopefully

[thick moat]

Fr better for them to focus on land first

[south lance]

this could be cool but the land areas would need to be massive

[elfin pumice]

not really

just some areas with plants and rocks

[south lance]

if they arent then too much of the game revolves around water travel which wouldnt be fun

the water element is cool

but you still have 80% of the game completely locked to land unless you completely change how resources and basebuilding works for this dlc

[elfin pumice]

it would be a dlc though. maybe an expansion of the main map

[south lance]

though, this could be easier to work with if the map was a giant trench

and you had large caves across the walls

[elfin pumice]

thats the idea

[south lance]

changing the entirety of base game is pretty hard

[elfin pumice]

i know

[south lance]

though it could be cool

need to know how ocean works to really say

it wouldnt be barren for such a dlc, and i cant imagine they still add eels and jellyfish after all the 8 years of complaints

they might add better resources

if you could like

build a base sorta like vacuum compartment ones but way more bob level

you could have smaller land areas

probably should be fine too since the main thing about such a map is overall traversal mechanics completely changing

though maybe you also want to change base design idk

[astral token]

Hopefully the ARK ocean becomes playable with UE5

Tho I am not an overall fan of the change

[south lance]

wdym

[fallow niche]

Remember to move off-topic to #ark-survival-ascended or #general

[old turret]

@crystal smelt

[spice oracle]

can i play ark 2 allready :(?

[blissful perch]

May my takes be heard far and wide

[mint swan]

Yes, the game is out did you miss it

[blissful perch]

I can imagine an ocean DLC with small islands and flats/mangrove swamps for land building (along with pontoon and ship building)

[south lance]

islands would definitely be there

but i would really love some sort of trench map

[lethal crane]

Gen 1 oceam biome

[south lance]

cause you can go all out with like 5 different layers to play with

[lethal crane]

Plus subnautica also

[tropic forge]

complains? there was only complains when they release eels cause aside to getting dino pin down they would dismount player but they fix it later so there was no longer problems whit that, jellyfish gives you bio toxin which was the best for tranq darts so dont see a problem there either

[split dove]

eels were a even worse ranged jellyfish at launch

[blissful perch]

What about Gen 1 ocean biome? The islands were largely tiny and had none of the shallow waterway environments like mangroves and sea grass flats i mentioned

[blissful perch]

Also what about subnautica? Yes it’s an ocean map on an alien planet. They obviously can’t cut and paste subnautica…but ark 2 unlike subnautica will have RPG elements and multiplayer. It’ll also involve taming over simply surviving the depths…and involve far less tech/tek

[south lance]

basically every pve stun mechanic sucks

unless dino AI in ark2 advances to the point where fighting stun creatures is fun i dont see it happening

not to mention that yes theres tons of complaints at least from what ive seen on major community spaces

its like the biggest reason i see for people not interacting with the ocean besides it generally being useless

movement reduction is still incredibly annoying even if it technically isnt stun

anything that just stops you from moving for more than 5 seconds is

[blissful perch]

I’d argue stuns in general suck

[south lance]

i can see limited stun being ok

[blissful perch]

I don’t mind slow/stun TRAPS. But offensive stuns are miserable

See: bola

[south lance]

youd need to chain some combo of low damage atracks first to then activate a stun

high risk high reward thing that is somewhat rng could be fine

[blissful perch]

A small 0-2 second stun or combo break thing is manageable for sure

[south lance]

yeah it needs to be short

[blissful perch]

But it’s not great feeling for the recipient in almost any case, and should be minimized unless imo it’s a stationary detectable trap

[south lance]

but like im imagining its point would be to use some high dmg attack

shotgun for example

[blissful perch]

If YOU stun yourself, the stun duration can be way longer

[south lance]

2 seconds is more than enough to get off a shot

[astral token]

Stun can be fun

[blissful perch]

Stun is never fun on the receiving end. Which imo means it has to be used extremely sparingly

[ripe cedar]

Debuffs are always good until you are the one receiving them

[astral token]

Shadowmane is the most challenged I have felt in ARK in a while

[south lance]

shadowmane is just double jump up or avoid entirely lol

its like a kapro but not quite as bad

[blissful perch]

Yes, because in ark 1 the only way to be challenged is to be stunned or dismounted

[lavish rain]

Yeah basically

[blissful perch]

Because capped flak or tek makes you functionally immortal unless you sit in place and get endlessly hammered

[lavish rain]

Kinda does

[south lance]

the challenge is just spatial awareness lol

its not enough of a challenge even

with an average kit you literally never die to pve

[ripe cedar]

No its balanced, you just use capped gigas

[blissful perch]

Debuffs are obviously bad lol, but some are unfun versus a danger/risk

[south lance]

unless youre pushed off a cliff while afk

[blissful perch]

Or stun locked and bled

[south lance]

eh ya

[lavish rain]

Or stun locked and chain stun locked

[south lance]

eurypterid will have its aggro glitch before it can finish you off cause itll do 1 dmg

[blissful perch]

Stun locked usually means chain stunned yes lol

[south lance]

same with troodon

[ripe cedar]

Well we really need to know what type of invincibility frames we will get if any because if there are none stunlock seems very inevitable

[lavish rain]

I tap 2 islands and counterspell the stun

[blissful perch]

Dunno why you’d think that? I frames seem entirely separate from stun locks

Unless you have stun every time you’re hit. But that would be psycho

[south lance]

can a creature just be hard because you have to shoot a weakspot or run

[lavish rain]

Jellyfish

[blissful perch]

If those are in ark 2 you’d need about 300 i frames to escape 😂

[south lance]

provided halfway decent hitreg

half of these issues could at least be solvable if hitreg wasnt terrible

hopefully they get better servers

[lavish rain]

We all know that won't happen

I lost boss fights because of bad hitreg

[south lance]

i mean id be hopeful

[lavish rain]

coughs blood dinopithicus king

[south lance]

its not like its the first game by wc anymore

[ripe cedar]

Well we wont really know until the games out

It could go either way

[lavish rain]

Still hard to imagine an ark game without bad hitreg

[thick moat]

didn't wildcard kinda fix hitreg on humans with bows at least on one of the TSOTF patches?

[ripe cedar]

255 ping here we go

[thick moat]

i think they made hitbox bigger

and smthin else

[astral token]

Hopefully ARK I on UE5 comes soon enough

[blissful perch]

Dunno. But hitreg being bad in singleplayer in ark 1 has me worried. But in ark 2 I imagine the modernized engine alone will provide some help for that

[lavish rain]

Is it just a graphics update

[thick moat]

yeah seeing them get rid of ini makes me wonder if the UE5 version will have long time problems getting fixed

[thick moat]

it's not just a graphics update

[ripe cedar]

I dont think changing engines will help with hitreg that much, its still all unreal engine, its on wildcard to fix hitreg

[blissful perch]

Standard character sizes will help too

[thick moat]

they can work easier with UE5 from what I understand

[lavish rain]

What is it them

[blissful perch]

Banning anyone over 200 ping on a server is a good start to fixing reg

[thick moat]

an engine upgrade lol

[lavish rain]

Which does?

[ripe cedar]

Are we talking about bad servers or bad hitreg becuase while both are bad and compound with each other they are different issuess

[thick moat]

if the server lags don't count sure XD

let's use kicking from the server, not banning

that would be stupid asf XD

[ripe cedar]

Same thing

Its more about not letting people join

[blissful perch]

Hit reg being bad = one problem, people being hit by 200 ping players around corners or in weird ways = a second imo similar problem. But yea I should have differentiated

[ripe cedar]

Tranq dart hitreg is great right?

[lavish rain]

Conclusion: we need to storm wc and fix the game for them

[ripe cedar]

I love using the longneck rifle so fun

[lavish rain]

Second worst hitreg right behind shotgun

[blissful perch]

Projectiles reg like crap is the issue. Which is why everyone ever uses hitscan weapons

[thick moat]

man the smithy shotgun is so ass because of that

[thick moat]

even with hitscan

not as much obv

[lavish rain]

Tek rifle has good hitreg and the rail gun dosent even hitreg

[lavish rain]

The pump is also sometimes assbecause of hitreg

[thick moat]

y but not as much as smithy one

[lavish rain]

Most people go straight to fab shotty, so it's not as much an issue

[astral token]

Oh I am not excited in a good way

Just waiting for my mods to break and new bugs to come out

[ripe cedar]

No its because they do no damage, people use the end game bows fine because of the insane armor piercing on metal arrows and tek rifle for its good dps and structure destruction

[thick moat]

they are discussing it right now

some mods may be saved

[astral token]

I know Zen said they are discussing it

And believe me that means it’s not gonna happen

[lavish rain]

Add interrogation feature

You knock a player you can reveal their base

[thick moat]

bruh

[lavish rain]

Come on its genuis

[thick moat]

no

[blissful perch]

I’ve not had nearly as much issue regging on structures personally

[lavish rain]

Why not

[blissful perch]

But I agree some weapons seem to suffer way more from bad reg than others

[lavish rain]

Shotgun reg is the only thing that's personally bothered me

[thick moat]

fortnite copy and doesn't make sense

[lavish rain]

Fortnite copy?

[thick moat]

fortnite literally has the same feature

but with squads or duos

[lavish rain]

🤨

I give up

[thick moat]

why

it's true

[mint swan]

Fortnite copy?

[south lance]

god that would be so good lol

you could probably still ddos the server tho i think

its just that you couldnt join and then have to spend 4 years trying to get out

[sonic elbow]

Man thinks this is Fortnite

[lavish rain]

This isn't a fortnite exclusive feature

I have only ever played fortnite twice, six years ago

[ripe cedar]

It works already if you can crash the server

[south lance]

yeah

though it probably works better against people who arent from the server region

[past wind]

Or just make size mattes on stats. Like: larger chars: more melee and can carry more weight, but will be slower and have less stamina.

If not possible to do that. Yeah, standard sizes. At least for pvp.

[covert tapir]

you guys think xbox showcase will give us something for ark 2? maybe they reveal stuff simultaneously

since ark 2 appears on xbox aswell

[mortal kestrel]

possible, but if not, then I'd have to guess arkII has been put onto the back end

[solar timber]

Don’t give me hope

[untold totem]

Don't give me hope

[lavish rain]

When is the event

[covert tapir]

started now but ark 2 wasnt listed in the begining

[split dove]

not 1 of the 4 games being shared, but could be in a part for gamepass

[past wind]

Aaron Greenberg confirmed they will talk only about the 4 games

[stray elm]

Someone mind DM'ing me the event?

[split dove]

just go to the xbox youtube account spartan

[stray elm]

Too lazy

[split dove]

[solar timber]

Update so far there’s nothing about Ark

[covert tapir]

I dont think anything will be shown

[split dove]

nope

[covert tapir]

its just elder scrolls ending

[tropic forge]

y'all forget the bone they threw to chew on , just to think there's ppl waiting for more ark2 news so soon

[covert tapir]

i wanna see stuff tho 😦

ill take anything

show me the walking animation that will be enough

[grim kestrel]

Movement and a base building teaser that all

I'd be good

[thick shoal]

It never was going to be shown. Microsoft already announced the games being shown prior to the show

[covert tapir]

you know how sometimes there is a suprise at the end and a suprise is not going to be announced before

but it didnt happen so theres no need to discuss this

[thick shoal]

I think Microsoft are trying to be more open to keep players happy

[ripe cedar]

no, there won't be anything, from what wildcard said in the crunch its going to be longer than a few days until they share gameplay

[lavish rain]

How much longer

[grim kestrel]

Gonna have to downgrade from tek enhanced for Ark 2 lol

I don't know, bored at the moment and that was just a random thought 😂

[split dove]

from what last weeks crunch said with the concept art they will build up to the gameplay trailer with more concept art and tidbits

[stray elm]

And with that said, that most likely shows it'll be a bit till the gameplay.

[split dove]

better to have a rough timeline compared to being left in the dark completely

[tropic forge]

if i had to guess they will post most of the dino roster that will be on ea before the gameplay and if is 2 creatures at each time per month i would say june maybe.... that would be 12 creature concept arts

[split dove]

yh the image files for those had monthly in them, so in the downtime between concept arts they might show some tidbits like they also said would be shared

[tropic forge]

i might be wrong whit the number cause i just check ark wiki and its quite a bit of dinos on the island, maybe its more weekly than monthly....

[split dove]

that's all we got to go off until the next teaser

[tropic forge]

if not mistake when i start to playing ark1 ea on ps4 it had 71 creatures on the island (no bosses), dont know how it was at the very beginning

[split dove]

i think at early access launch in 2015 it was like 20 ish creatures

[tropic forge]

uff

yeh think this gonna be ruff start again whit no kibble breeding so on unless they are way ahead whit progress (doubt that very much)

[stray elm]

More like 30-ish, but close

ARK always had a absurd amount of creatures.

[tropic forge]

well its a open map so only 10 creatures would get very repetitive very fast

if you look at real life we have millions of life forms

[stray elm]

No shit

[untold ingot]

I think millions of creature variations could be possible with a skill tree that alters the model of the creature, but I really doubt more than 50 base creatures will be in the first release

[tropic forge]

well will see in the next 2 days what will happen

wonder if they gonna make glowing dinos again (personnaly it was my favorite color change they had on dinos)

[untold ingot]

If there is a cave variation of things I would say it's likely

[tropic forge]

im saying that cause i was checking dates on release of dino concepts and notice jesse saying this "One of my favorite #ark-survival-ascended2 glow ups"

[untold ingot]

I don't think that refers to actual glowing color regions though lol

[tropic forge]

yeh but when i read the "glow" part it just pop in my head dinos whit glowing colors

[untold ingot]

Well, I would love deep sea and cave varients of common dinos that have new glowing color regions, but I am not holding my breath on that

[tropic forge]

x dinos had it too

wasent only ab dinos

[untold ingot]

True

[tropic forge]

worst part in all of that i believe had to do whit rockwell 😭

[untold ingot]

Maybe, but it's a new game, so the actual gameplay and visuals of things don't have to match what ark1 had

Even the roster doesn't have to match

[tropic forge]

naaa it as to have at least the main roste of the island or most of them

unless they go whit 50/50 50% dinos from the ark 50% alien life forms

[untold ingot]

It actually doesn't lol

There is nothing in the lore or anything saying that the gen2 ship was limited in what it could create to the ark1 roster. And the actual ship didn't land and let things escape. It was pods that landed. There is no telling what was in the pods

[grim kestrel]

Considering how many tek based dinos and the fact you get element free tek suit in Gen2 I highly doubt anything connects to Ark 2

[tropic forge]

well the second trailer actually shows part of the ship but yeh at first was pods that brought dino species down to the planet

[past wind]

Ir depends on what they are aiming for the early access. If they chose quantity over quality they can just bring most of the creatures from Ark 1, but they will probably be subpar

[untold ingot]

The point I am making is that they have creative freedom in what to add to the roster. They wrote that in on purpose imo

[past wind]

Id rather have fewer but totally “new” creatures (not new species, but new features, textures etc) over badly ported ones

[untold ingot]

I would like a mix of old remade dinos, together with a bunch of new aliens

[past wind]

Im more excited to hear about other features than the creatures themselves 🤣

I want to know more about the planet, the Aratais, the world events etc

I don’t care much which creatures will be there day one. I’m more concerned about their features

Like new taming methods.

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I doubt they will drop dossiers like in ark1, mainly because Helena isn't in the story anymore lol

[split dove]

it will be Santiago doodles as he gets bored

[tropic forge]

📕

[split dove]

🖊️ 📖

[untold ingot]

Pls don't let this chat devolve into emojis like the animated on 🙏

[past wind]

I don’t know… I think dossiers are an important part of Ark. I think they will be there in some way. Like those paintings in the cave.

[untold ingot]

I think so too, but I doubt they will be in the same format, and I doubt they want to spoil that yet, especially if collecting info is as big a part of gameplay as I am hoping it is lol

[tropic forge]

think they only did that whit the last remain dinos on the island right?

[untold ingot]

Did what?

[tropic forge]

reveal dino dossier before the release of the dino

[untold ingot]

Well, I guess. But I am hoping they play a bigger part in gameplay than just if you are interested in reading a bunch of madeup facts lol

It would be cool if you can't tame a creature until you get new dossier for it

At least for pve. Obviously that wouldn't work for pvp at alk

[grim kestrel]

I mean they do to an extent, they tell you aggression level, tendency, rather it a herbivore or carnivore, etc.

[untold ingot]

It usually doesn't really tell anything that isn't obvious, and doesn't really add anything to the actual gameplay

The only use of notes in ark1 is for exp buffs, which I really hope disappear

Fair I suppose. Wait till you hear that I want that with engrams too lol

I want to have to find a note to unlock the engram lol

I don't want it to be tied to levels

Engrams are not a skill tree lol

[sonic elbow]

[untold ingot]

In ark1. The steam page suggests that the two will be seperate

Engrams have nothing to do with a skill tree lol

[prisma pike]

You can learn everything though

You can buy engram points for hexagons

[split dove]

👆 ☕

[grim kestrel]

Skill tree defintion doesn't change per game, and hex points only apply to people that can access Genesis 1 & 2.

[prisma pike]

Imagine not having the dlcs

[untold ingot]

Crafting recipes /= skills in any game lol

The fact that you might not get every engram without a paid dlc does not mean that it is a skill tree lol

There is hardly any tree to engrams lol

And you can hardly say that crafting a camera in game is a skill

It's an engram

It's a counter example of calling engrams skills

Lol, that's how counter examples work.

[prisma pike]

Engrams are a tech tree my guy

Not a skill tree

You're dense

[untold ingot]

That literally makes no sense lol

[prisma pike]

This is a video game mf

I learn how to make a metal wall through looking at my wrist after killing a baby giga I ain't been taught shit

[untold ingot]

Factually this isn't even true lol

Tbf you didn't even try to reason. You just said we are ignorant for disagreeing lol

That's like the opposite of reason

[hushed wolf]

Hi

[south lance]

HIIIIH

[grim kestrel]

Hi

[tropic forge]

[grim kestrel]

[trail lagoon]

crafting is luck based and not skill based - avatar with full crafting skil points can make from 0 to +50% better of plueb print but in average he miserably fail under 20%

and then a lot of things are capped anyway

[grim kestrel]

[trail lagoon]

u cant do 20% better than asc blue print as is capped

[grim kestrel]

This channel is purely Ark 2 related, think you may of meant to post that in another channel?

Just a little random

[tropic forge]

actually that aint true, i did lots of craft cap bps that when above the stats allow but only stay until server save them it lowers to max cap, but i dont see what brought this conversation all the sudden to a ark 2 chat

[grim kestrel]

My thoughts exactly at the end of your post

[trail lagoon]

we are all curious what wildcard will propose in crafting with new components and based on our past experience

[grim kestrel]

I mean they design for official, so probably only slightly different for Ark 2 I would imagine, even with unofficial server where I have had 20k crafting it still a coin flip to a max craft.

[mighty lion]

The blueprint feature is gonna be epic

But I can already guess a few exploits

[grim kestrel]

I imagine only real blueprints going to worry about is armor, tools, and melee, if they treat bows similar to now where damage is more your stat

If crossbows are a thing those BPs will be useful

[untold ingot]

I am hoping bps arent a thing, and that components give extra perks or something

[lethal vault]

The bp they will add is Battlepass

Is there any news on when ark2 is coming or anything?

[mint swan]

i hope i get banend from the ARK 2 servers

[lunar finch]

[astral token]

*banned

[minor prism]

Ffs 😂

[worldly garden]

👀

[mossy mantle]

[neat bough]

is ark 2 coming 2024

[unborn torrent]

no

it’s coming in 2050

[deep dirge]

[iron sequoia]

2023 is all we know

[blissful perch]

I think 10 were untamable of those original 30?

[blissful perch]

Even just an accurate hint about taming methods would be extremely beneficial for a dossier

[blissful perch]

In the loosest and most basic sense yes. But it’s not really structured all that well. If ark 2 takes a tech tree approach I’d like a more formal looking one

The ark 1 tech tree is unintuitive and kinda irritating to use if you treat it like a tech tree. Techs are hard to search for as a new player, often require weird prerequisites…and ofc it’s all tied to leveling up or hexagons rather than anything else

[astral token]

My idea for a game is far too ideal

Guns should one shot

[blissful perch]

Ideal ≠ realistic

[astral token]

If hit in a critical spot

Kinda like headshots but more

[blissful perch]

One shot guns likely won’t be ideal 😅. You’ll probably be net pissed off

[astral token]

A bit from a rex = ☠️

[astral token]

Make guns super hard to get

[blissful perch]

Unless ark 2 = COD style where dying is nbd

[blissful perch]

That matters 0% to gameplay

[south lance]

realism not epic

[astral token]

True

It’s not feasible 100%

[blissful perch]

It just wouldn’t be a fun game

[south lance]

its feasible its just a bad design decision

if everyone one shots each other then theres no fighting

[blissful perch]

You could take the gritty survival route for ark, but in doing so you sacrifice a lot and have to make major changes

[south lance]

just ambushes

[blissful perch]

It means more death which means death has to be less punishing, which adds new challenges etc etc

[south lance]

youd make the game way too cheap to justify such a teeny amount of effort required to kill

[blissful perch]

There are whole genres of games with one shot kill mechanics that work. Ark just isn’t that genre

You’d need to make death trivial

[south lance]

yeah but making death trivial means that loot is trivial cause thats what you lose oj death

unless you make it so you never drop loot ig

[blissful perch]

Correct. Kills would be more about routing people out of places than collecting loot

[south lance]

basically fps arena but the arena is 100 sqkm

[blissful perch]

Yeeeep

[south lance]

💀

[blissful perch]

It’s a valid take, but it’s not what I’d prefer or find ideal

[south lance]

not even battle royales would be this bad xd

[blissful perch]

People do love their battlefield games

[south lance]

ya but even then ttk is some .1 secs

.3 to 1

seems to be average ttk across most shooters

[blissful perch]

A headshot with a sniper basically is a one shot kill. Or an air strike lol

[south lance]

ya but thats a limited part of the game

even in ark you have contexts where ohk weapons are a thing

[blissful perch]

Sure, but the suggestion also only said some things would be one hits

[south lance]

fair enough ig

[blissful perch]

In ark right now very little base game things are one hits

Most of the existing one hits are because of BPs and breeding

[south lance]

its basically just breeding

[blissful perch]

Capped fabi doesn’t one shot an unarmed survivor?

[south lance]

i dont think any bp can ohk someone with normal kit

it does but nobody is running naked

[blissful perch]

Break helmet -> one tap?

[south lance]

then ya

[blissful perch]

I get the message that it’s rare in practice ofc

[south lance]

but people get like 40 sets of armor so even thats not a guarantee

the fact that you can artificially increase ttk so much tho 💀

[blissful perch]

Politely ofc: fuck flak

[south lance]

fuck the dura cap

tho its fair only because bps and breeding are fucked

cause breeds still one shot

[blissful perch]

Amor breaking is annoying, but being immortal is insufferable

[south lance]

theres so many mechanics that only exist because more important mechanics sucked from day 1

its weird

dunno if any other game has this issue

ig power creep is a version of it

[blissful perch]

It has to do with imo sandbox elements being added without careful consideration of the PvE and PvP power scaling they’d change/screw up

[desert swallow]

Yes, some problems with ark would require changing of core mechanics which would be quite difficult and could break the game or cause people to lose interest. Ark was/is very popular so the incentive NOT to change these core mechanics was there in fear of losing player base.

[south lance]

they also never really nerf entire mechanics either

at best its for specific creature abilities

[blissful perch]

They have tried where possible to not alter server saves or people’s progress

The issue of soo much investment in anything ark means it’s that much harder to see it wiped

[south lance]

i dont think itd be impossible to change a lot with some of these core mechanics tho since there are raw numbers involved

[blissful perch]

Even if the net benefits are immense

[south lance]

yeah thats probably it, hard to nerf breeding when it takes years

[blissful perch]

If you wanted to change flak I believe you’d need to delete all existing BPs and armor

[south lance]

that isnt the worst imo

[untold totem]

It's easier if it's a fresh start

[south lance]

you can get a decent bp in about a week of loot farming with a big tribe i think

[blissful perch]

You sure? Lotta folks would rage lmao. But yes ark 2 is a great place to make the good changes with less pushback

[south lance]

they would rage but they rage even now

they just think that because they spent a lot of time on something that it should never be in vain

meanwhile, gets wiped for the 80th time

[south lance]

i just hope core mechanics are tunable

hah this is yet another reason to decrease grind, actually allows devs to change things in game cause people arent investing thousands of hours into single parts of the game

[desert swallow]

Take the aberration rockwell fight for example, you can cheese it really hard, but it's become a mechanic people use when starting characters and a lot of people have used it to get a head start on the game (tek). If you were to remove that, the community would be upset because it's a loss of a convenient way to get tek and it would be "unfair" to the people who started later. Before people say "There are other easy ways", replace that with the cactus broth method above.

[south lance]

yeah theres an issue of cheese becoming its own necessary mechanic to engage with the game in pvp

also pve but mainly pvp

its proof that way too much of the game just isnt fun enough to justify doing though who knows if this is only the case because it was so easy

[broken dune]

I wonder if the devs of ark 2 read this channel

[south lance]

flyer nerf is probably the best case of this but i wasnt playing ark when it happened

[desert swallow]

they most definately do

probably sweating over all the stuff they read lol

scope creep to the extreme

[south lance]

the hypemachine never stops 😎

[blissful perch]

Flier nerf was contentious but oh so valuable for the game

[south lance]

did player numbers even drop

[blissful perch]

BUT it didn’t wipe anyone’s progress

[south lance]

i seriously doubt they would, i think people just cried a lot

[south lance]

true this might actually hit numbers

[blissful perch]

People tend to leave only when progress is wiped from my experience. Like when legacy was shut down

[south lance]

wonder if theres ways to prevent somrthing like that

[split dove]

standard ark community response tbh

[south lance]

you have to reduce how invested people are into specific servers and mechanics

[south lance]

ya lol

[south lance]

this would maybe defeat the point of long form survival like ark

[blissful perch]

“Long form survival” though is kinda bad in practice imo

At some point you’re at the apex of a survival game and there’s not much left to do but flex projects

[south lance]

i think the biggest issue in ark is that theres too much of a jump between progress levels if played normally

they need to pad in the progression scale

and not purely linearly either because everyone will need to do something after hitting endgame

[blissful perch]

It’s too fast for sure, but also the two ends of the progression spectrum are so damn far apart that it’s miserably easy at the end of it

[south lance]

a diverse skill tree is probably advantageous here

[south lance]

i think its absurdly easy with cheese

[blissful perch]

Minecraft has nothing on paper for the “end game” except end cities

[south lance]

without cheese theres a super fast patch, then a super long grind fest, then a fast patch

[blissful perch]

Keep in mind that a sandbox game’s appeal is meant to be defined by players. No concrete “end game” needs to exist

[south lance]

if you plotted time vs progress itd be a z shaped curve with an insanely long horizontal part

[south lance]

yeah but too much of the game is locked behind raw resource counts and engrams and bps

[blissful perch]

Yes, imo way too much of the gameplay is locked behind grind gameplay loops

[south lance]

and the options towards getting these are so similar that any real sense of freedom is idk, unreal

its like a supermarket having 20 different kinds of chocolate chip cookie

[blissful perch]

PvP always imposes player made limits on what tends to be done. Don’t get that confused with the sandbox environment not having a conclusion or game given goal for players

[south lance]

like you can tame whatever you want in pve

[blissful perch]

You can’t “win” PvP in ark - which is fundamental to the sandbox experience

[south lance]

but ultimately you still are just getting a travel mount capable of moderate forms of combat against ground and air, and is capable of ascending and traversing any map in somewhere around 10 minutes

at some point youll level melee so it can take out alphas quickly, and then youre done facing against pve, youre just breeding for boss maybe or youll cheese that too

[blissful perch]

You’re kinda assuming again that the meta = the game’s directive

[south lance]

you dont really have many things to do

[tropic forge]

thats on you, youre the one that make the objetives on ark

[blissful perch]

It’s like saying “why have glass in minecraft if nobody uses it in the speed run”

[south lance]

the meta is so strong and stable that people naturally fall into it, powercreep is that visible

[blissful perch]

Meta also ≠ power creep

[south lance]

the powercreep reveals the obvious meta tho

[blissful perch]

And the meta has 0 true impact on a player. You can always ignore the meta if you feel like it

[south lance]

you dont need to play with anyone to eventually fall into the same meta

[blissful perch]

If your goal is to f around with a kapro, you can do that and nothing in the game stops you

[south lance]

you arent usually going to actively ignore meta though

[south lance]

like youre plain punished for doing this in the form of time, which is the most boring way to punish

it takes longer to lmb spam, takes longer to hold w

[blissful perch]

Players will always invent a meta. What makes a game sandbox is the ability for players to choose how to spend their time in the game how they want in pursuit of their own goals

[south lance]

and space jump

[blissful perch]

Many people want the easiest quickest dopamine hit from progression, but plenty have their own ideas and goals they seek out

[south lance]

in mc at least, the build creativity allows for a lot more than what options we have in ark which basically just change how long something takes

since building isnt based on performance

[tropic forge]

i have done same bosses whit various types of dinos and ways to kill it

gets boring doing always the same way

[blissful perch]

But the speed run, the “meta” for minecraft, doesn’t use any of it

Because the speed run itself is a choice players make for how to enjoy a sandbox

[south lance]

but these options are made in the context that theres more to do than hit the end game, thats not really a thing in ark except building

maybe exploration counts

[blissful perch]

In minecraft there’s no real end game except end cities. Everything else can be done without the ender dragon

[south lance]

yes

[blissful perch]

In a pure “post game” context, minecraft is extremely lacking

[south lance]

and all those options alternative to the endgame are much more developed than the options we have in ark

[blissful perch]

But, like ark I’d argue, the need for a post game is an illusion

There just needs to be a series of objectives players can define for themselves to have fun in the game space

[south lance]

i dont think enough of those can exist without you eventually just taking a break or going modded/unoffi

which is generally true of mc too

[blissful perch]

I’d agree ark 1 is lacking in some respects on that front, but it’s mostly because a lot of it is gatekept by breeding (which is so time intensive you can’t really flexibly choose to dabble in it or explore it)

[south lance]

but id say at least building and exploration are much better in mc than ark

[blissful perch]

Procedural games have a big leg up in terms of late stage exploration

[south lance]

exploration cause the maps massice and random

building cause so much more freedom

[south lance]

ye thats something unfortunate with ark

if they could pull off procedural gen for every server thatd be crazy

itd also get exploited like hell but eh

itll never happen tho

[blissful perch]

It was tried for ark 1 but the community rejected it

[south lance]

wdym?

they had procedural gen way early on?

[blissful perch]

You can right now create a procedural ark

[south lance]

oh that

[blissful perch]

That whole idea, which was a possible direction for ark instead of SE, was scrapped because I believe people just didn’t feel immersed in procedural environments

That and people didn’t have all the resource locations memorized and got cranky 😂

[south lance]

xd

[blissful perch]

That being said I think ark can give plenty to do without more than one run of exploration

What’s IN the world can be made engaging enough to make the experience fun after you’ve “been everywhere”

[south lance]

ark mobile had a weekly cycle of dungeons with bosses at the end

there was like 10 before i quit

[blissful perch]

Procedural dungeons would be an excellent addition

[south lance]

idk how they implemented it

but it was something neat to do with friends

especially since it was usually new

[blissful perch]

It’s also something to test your skills in a slightly different way each time

Most good RPGs have some form of infinite or repeatable challenge mode so you can actually keep playing the game

World events sort of speak to this, but dungeons may be a boon simply because they can be more curated to a limited party/tame structure

[south lance]

ark2 dungeons should force you to solve 1 of some hundred leetcode problems, make some new devs that way

[south lance]

true

its definitelt easier to implement a decent dungeon experience than some open world type of thing

[blissful perch]

Idk about easier, but you have more control over how it’s experienced

[south lance]

i wonder what making procedural gen aratai structures would be like in ark2

itd be simpler to implement permanent ones

youd need to prevent them from beinf blocked off

but so you would with random spawns too

unless they arent extremely important

[blissful perch]

I’m gonna guess there’s thoughts about a combination of more fixed Aratai settlements and outposts that get built with premade blueprints as events

[south lance]

i wonder if that coulf work

atm all the objects like trees and rocks are permanently spawning in the same place they were originally put in

though it probably couldnt be too hard to make limited random spawn structures

[blissful perch]

Well this is an entirely new question

[south lance]

i might just be inadvertently focusing too much on the engine itself

[blissful perch]

Aratai structures would likely need to be placed like creature structures (for example the ant nests in Myrm’s mod)

[south lance]

im unaware of how those work

[blissful perch]

But procedural resource spawns are a whole new can of worms

[south lance]

are they completely random or are there a bunch of spawn areas they can pop up in but dont need to at a given time like loot drops

which i think respawn randomly into some set of possible spawn locations

[blissful perch]

I’m 90% sure they spawn as a static creature

[south lance]

do creatures spawn absolutely randomly

i havent ever really checked, would think so but i cant say

[blissful perch]

Creatures spawn in ark 1 in spawn containers

You draw a cube on the map, and creatures can spawn inside that cube with a preselected ratio

[south lance]

aight

[blissful perch]

Spawn containers are smart; they won’t spawn new creatures if the creature count cap is reached or if too many of a single creature is present it won’t spawn new ones

It’s why a lot of PvE folks do meat runs to cleanse out the spawn containers

It’s an ok system for ark 1, but if ark 2 has migration and other similar mechanics spawning will need to be far more complex

[tropic forge]

it will need a ecosystem were herb ones counts are control by carno ones but whit that there as to be and apex one whit low spawn rate like gigas on ark 1 which now im thinking about thats what it is on ark 1 but needs more improve so dosent get out of hand like ark 1 were theres tons of herb ones and even some that kill the carno ones, guess aint that simple

[blissful perch]

It will not need to be an ecosystem

In fact, it probably cannot ever be an ecosystem

[south lance]

ecosystems are way too hard to make reliable

[blissful perch]

They’d have to dramatically decrease the percent of wild creatures slain by players for an ecosystem to work, and I’m skeptical that’ll happen

[tropic forge]

well if herb ones stop fighting back carno ones maybe that would work???

[blissful perch]

You can spawn in a perfectly balanced ecosystem, but add players and shit gets very complicated

[tropic forge]

true

the meat runs kinda blows everything away

[south lance]

me when make everything extinct to feed 1 baby

pls no more

[tropic forge]

plus then theres the render, no render dinos gets "pause"

[blissful perch]

The fact you’d need a server to run an endless biosphere sim in addition to the game is also a performance risk for sure

[tropic forge]

yup

it would require reducing by a lot anything that aint players and their tames

[blissful perch]

You COULD do the sim, but it would come at a cost

[tropic forge]

it would need top notch servers whit the best net connection

[blissful perch]

If you had a massive game space like NMS, players would be unable to dent the global population. But otherwise it’s just a recipe for performance and gameplay nightmare

unless you were able to reduce player creature kills by an extensive amount

[tropic forge]

than we gonna have AI arath so thats more pulling resources from server uffff

[blissful perch]

I’d like to say the reason a functioning biosphere won’t work is MORE to do with players and the game and less to do with performance

[tropic forge]

i really hope wc test ark 2 on a server whit lots of ppl on it (max if possible) so dosent happen like ark 1 did

[blissful perch]

You could absolutely make a functioning realistic biosphere, but would it make for a fun ark game? Im sadly thinking the answer is no

[tropic forge]

really depends, i can see ppl that play in SP enjoying it but online i can see ppl destroying it like some many times ppl did on ark1 whit rare spawns

talking about destroying rare spawns i deeply hope wc dosent bring that trophy crap to do bosses, it was the worst thing for me on ark 1

[blissful perch]

The game is built for MP tho is the issue

[split dove]

finding all the spinos on the island

[tropic forge]

or alpha basilisk on ab

[blissful perch]

Subnautica has a functioning ecosystem (which is super cool), but in SP you don’t notice unless you play for a long time

And in ark even with low pop servers people are used to clean wiping biomes/maps in search of certain spawns. It could be changed in ark 2, but I doubt it could ever be realistic and remain fun

Remember killing 2% of mammoth BABIES results in extinction

[tropic forge]

i got lost there 🤣

[blissful perch]

If you wanted a realistic ecosystem: killing 2 out of every 100 mammoths will result in no more mammoth population

[tropic forge]

ho yeh

[blissful perch]

Not to mention the brutally easy trolling involved in rendering a key species extinct, or the gatekeeping that can happen if an alpha tames something and renders the wild versions extinct

[tropic forge]

when you meantion babies it pop my mind the penguins babies 🤣 and i was like "there wasent wild mammoth babies "

[split dove]

not yet

[tropic forge]

we really have to wait for the release to see what path wc took on ark2 doubt we will have anything concrete on gameplay unless that gameplay its a live one than yeh we might get better clues but doubt that

[blissful perch]

Many very interesting details will be discovered after release to be sure

[tropic forge]

well im almost certain there will be no kibbe to tame so thats gonna be a pain on start 🤣

thats another thing i wanna see if they gonna change, the timers to tame

[blissful perch]

Taming taking as long as some of the new tames makes kibble kinda pointless

[split dove]

by default it should be faster than ark 1 default tame times, i don't want to babysit a theri for 1 day with 15k narcoberries

[blissful perch]

Make taming a challenge rather than a test of patience

And ffs remove taming effectiveness

[tropic forge]

i can see 7h to tame a max lvl wild rex on release 🤣 whit meat only

so you want kinda like a endurance fight?

[blissful perch]

Taming effectiveness punished using crap taming food so the “challenge” was bringing the right food. But if taming takes skill of some sort let’s junk that irritating effectiveness system that encourages no risk taking and traps over intended taming techniques

[tropic forge]

to be honest i cant see anyway of taming something that aint dropping whit drugs like ark 1 even passive taming on ark 1 was dreadful on pve you only need 1 jackass to ruin everything

[blissful perch]

I can: it’s called most of the most recent creature releases

In ark 1 there’s clear issues that are systematic that ruin these new tame methods that I pray aren’t in ark 2

[split dove]

were they implemented the best? not really
was it a sign of more interesting taming to come? kinda

[tropic forge]

ufff i stop play on gen2 3 weeks before transfers open so no clue about those

[blissful perch]

I’d say the methods are way more creative than KO

[split dove]

i'd take a risky situation over shoot and afk wait till done

[blissful perch]

In practice tho it’s almost always trap -> repetitive task tho, which kinda defeats the purpose

[tropic forge]

well i sough that last dino "new giga" taming and i was like damn thats a crappy way of taming

[blissful perch]

Anything that requires sacrificing tames is bad because it’s poorly built in ark 1

Troodon is also pure misery…aggro and how exp is awarded is too janky to use for ark 1 taming imo

[tropic forge]

hienas aint cool to tame either same way as those cats (cant remember the name) from gen 2

[blissful perch]

I like those methods when they feel like they work

It’s when weird janky nonsense happens that things get frustrating

[tropic forge]

well 1 the approximate of player to creature fails really bad online at least 2 someone might show up and ruins all progress (either curious or just to ruin your progress on purpose)

[blissful perch]

Why would that be the case? Given that KO tames take so long right now?

[harsh spear]

i wish for ark 2 a different kind of pvp that isnt so tryhard that you lose everything and go against no-lifers nonstop

[winged dome]

That likely won't change for official servers

There's always going to be people with more time to spend on a game

[tropic forge]

i already said couple times, ark aint for pvp unless they change it drastically, needs to be fast pace not like pve that you have time

[blissful perch]

Ark PvP should be via game modes rather than flat sandbox but that ship has sailed

Yea I mean a unique tame taking longer than 10-30 minutes is probably too long

[harsh spear]

there could be times where pvp is active for example only on weekends and at the rest of the week structures cant be destroyed maybe?

[tropic forge]

yeh if they want pvp sanbox the rates gotta being a lot way more that as on ark 1, a tribe getting wipe after at least 1 month of work aint easy to start all over again

[blissful perch]

I think griefing is part of what you sign up for in PvP

Obviously 1-4 hours of active taming isn’t wise, but 10-30 minutes is hardly a loss compared to what PvP players already lose in a kit most of the time

[mint swan]

See, I disagree. I say lower rates. Higher rates make it too easy to grow, where being wiped doesn’t really hurt much because you can rebuild it so quickly

[tropic forge]

pls dont mix pve whit pvp, pve has already enought toxicite from the beat down pvp's that join the server you mix both there aint chatting on global its constantly measure 🥒 and cursing all the time

[mint swan]

I’ve never liked being raided, but it does help me knowing where my weak spots were and makes me stronger in the long run

[blissful perch]

Thankfully you’re wrong. Slow rates mean entrenched alphas that never get raided and dead servers

[mint swan]

I think Ark was better when it was 1x tbh

I don’t remember seeing dead servers when Ark was 1x, but sure

Agree to disagree

I can agree on tames

[blissful perch]

They added things to make entrenched alphas non viable before things died imo

When metal structures couldn’t be broken by almost anything ☠️

[tropic forge]

your way its a speeder way, you only need to be the first to get everything as much as possible and destroy all the others so you dont have to worry about alter like after 1 month you own the server cause no one can face you

[mint swan]

I can agree on tames and even breeding to an extent. But in terms of gathering, I think that makes it way too easy

They were, just different Dino’s

[blissful perch]

Plant x had infinite ammo too back then 😅. Not much to soak

[mint swan]

Of course it was way different metas and balanced differently.

I’m driving now so peace lol

On legacy? We were using Dino’s to soak

[harsh spear]

early days of ark often were like you help each other and if you said " dont raid me pls " they often would retreat to spare you. modern ark is like noone gives a shit, only tryhards that raid everything they see

[mint swan]

I remember explicitly using dinos(especially brontos) to soak bases

[blissful perch]

That’s a late stage lifecycle game for you though

Most casual folks move on and only the most dedicated are left

[harsh spear]

yea and thats bad i think

[blissful perch]

It’s normal and unavoidable

[harsh spear]

u know i played like non stop for a while and i couldnt keep up with other tribes and had to stop. and im definetly no casual.

everyone will get pushed out except the highest

[blissful perch]

I’m speaking of a general movement away from ark 1 as a result of people being bored or moving to other games because ark 1 is old (happens in every game ever)

I think Berserker is more saying people who aren’t committing to ark PvP tend to just leave, which has always been true (and is more specific to ark)

[harsh spear]

well i wasnt solo. i was 6 slot in small tribes, played from the start non stop and still couldnt keep up with other no-lifers that likely teamed as well.

na my tribe wasnt all nonstop players

and anyway. the point is that i think the way pvp is designed in ARK is very bad for the player base

its one of the greatest games and yet i decline to play it because pve is boring and no challenge and pvp is impossible to stand a chance.

[blissful perch]

Correct that ark PvP is designed to encourage toxic behavior and cheating

[harsh spear]

yea thats also a problem

[blissful perch]

Arkpoc is better about it. But PvP is filled with issues

[harsh spear]

thats one thing. the other is that once alphas have been established ( after a sever opened people will raid each other until a few are left ). and from this point on you will have a very hard time finding a good spot and even get build because others will raid you for their own savety.

[winged dome]

PvP in any game with little to no actual rule policing will always devolve into exploits and cheating whenever possible

[blissful perch]

Even worse when PvP has no end condition except running people off the server

[winged dome]

Monkey brain wanna win, don't matter how

[blissful perch]

Minecraft PvP was like ark PvP and it was horrendous. Then people realized curated minecraft PvP worked super well and it exploded in popularity. Ark should have done the same imo

[harsh spear]

in minecraft you can at least go so far away from the spawn that people will likely not find you so you can build up savely. in ARK every good spot is constantly being contested. Ive even seen Discords where people sold caves for real money. I think it was like 1000$ for island ice cave. ridiculous

[blissful perch]

RMTs like that imo are caused by deficiency in game design

[harsh spear]

even ratholes everyone knows about cuz of youtube videos

[blissful perch]

RMT often happens when there is a monopoly

If there’s only a few good places to make a highly defensible base, you’re more inclined to cough up for it

If you can’t start in PvP without a line? You’re more likely to cough up for someone who has one

[lavish rain]

Or pve

[blissful perch]

Yes, if the value of your time is greater than the money of the RMT. True

[lavish rain]

Any kind of MMO element will lead to RMT

[blissful perch]

However, one could argue making things take prohibitively long means people value it at higher monetary values

[blissful perch]

I don’t believe I’ve heard much of anything about rampant PvE RMT

[lavish rain]

Or, said thing can be grinded for RMT but is a one and done, like boss fighta

[lavish rain]

Oh, it for sure exists

I play official pve, it is real

[blissful perch]

Yes. IE making things easier to do makes RMT less likely. Same is true if it’s harder to monopolize a resource

Unbuildable caves for example would likely gut a sizable chunk of ark 1 RMTs

[lavish rain]

Boss fights are the main RMT of pve, sometimes dinos but mostly bosses

[harsh spear]

its kinda stupid that they thought its a good "balance" if caves get applied with 6x structure damage and thats it. Until you do the damage you have to soak for the most part anyway. And Titans were also such a flaw as well because they make any overworld location to a deathtrap because they are op.

[tropic forge]

you know what would stop RMT? ppl stopping being stupid enough to pay

[blissful perch]

Do said kits have capped flak?

[lavish rain]

I've never seen or heard of people buying starter kits

[lavish rain]

Paying bills with ark lol

[blissful perch]

People supply what’s demanded. People want to pay for this stuff and others supply it…it’s how a market works

Wonder if they were scammed. Gonna guess prim flak wouldn’t have warranted the RMT

Which is itself a grind to find good (even non capped) flak

[lavish rain]

So... what was the goal here?

[blissful perch]

Kill the demand for RMT

[bold juniper]

You can’t

[harsh spear]

find a better form of pvp for ark 2 xD

[bold juniper]

It’s a part of survival games

[blissful perch]

Nobody would RMT in multiplayer subnautica 😂

[bold juniper]

Lol

It’s not as competitive

It wouldn’t be

[blissful perch]

Indeed. Because there’s no demand for such a thing

[lavish rain]

Boss fight RMT will always exist, base RMT will always exist

[harsh spear]

i think it would be better if all caves are unbuildable so everyone is kinda even when it comes to base def

[blissful perch]

I suspect in SotF almost nobody would drop $1k on a single tame to maybe win one round either

[bold juniper]

Yeah to fast to expendable

[lavish rain]

Because I is a known temporary, and is easy to acquire

[blissful perch]

Yes. Now you see my argument

[lavish rain]

However if there was out of game progression, it would for sure happen

[bold juniper]

Meh from what I can tell ark2 will have Conan levels of RMT

[blissful perch]

If you can’t trade game progression and what can be traded is of low value -> RMT falls apart

[bold juniper]

Not too much but still there

[lavish rain]

Then... what would the point of bosses be?

[blissful perch]

Which tbh is about what you can expect if you want things to exist of value

[harsh spear]

i think most people RMT for boss fights

[lavish rain]

People would RMT the loot lol. No winning

[bold juniper]

What is the direct definition of RMT

[harsh spear]

and then some do for dino lines

rarely cave cuz they are expensive af

[lavish rain]

It's usually in game currency like dust, but RMT is common

[blissful perch]

Real money trade = someone exchanges real money to another for something ingame

[bold juniper]

Ahh ok, I knew it’s trading money for game stuff but I like to have the actual definition

[lavish rain]

Only possible in an mmo game

[blissful perch]

RMT can be to devs or between players

[lavish rain]

Bribe devs

[bold juniper]

People will RMT to have people do the one time bosses, I see the appeal especially on the genesis maps that require really well breed lines and annoying missions

[lavish rain]

But... no engrams or loot?

[bold juniper]

The telegrams give a huge advantage as well

[bold juniper]

Then wats the point of the boss

[lavish rain]

Lol. I got lucky ig

[bold juniper]

Cus that is a hell of a grind to get that alpha difficulty

[lavish rain]

I said rmt is common, but not an always

[bold juniper]

Not an always but it is sometimes easier for some to do so

[harsh spear]

the real reason why people RMT kinda rotates back to my statement that PVP is poorly designed in ARK. you cant stand a chance so u wanna build asap with the strongest stuff. RMT would be fixed for the most part if PVP wasnt designed in a way where you could lose everything in an instant.

[blissful perch]

Again, it’ll exist if there’s a demand and the good or service can be traded

[lavish rain]

Exactly, eliminates RMT but also a vital part of progressing

[blissful perch]

It would matter less if you could build as fast as you could be wiped

But that’s simply never been the case. And has its own problems

[lavish rain]

Then make bases harder to wipe

[harsh spear]

if you build up 2 fast and there is nothing to work towards than you lose interest in the game cuz there is nothing meaningful to do

[lavish rain]

ORP

[blissful perch]

That was tried and maps became saturated with minimal raiding

[lavish rain]

So there is no balance ig

[blissful perch]

Cave builds have to be banned and open world bases need to be viable

[blissful perch]

There is a balance, but it comes at a cost to someone

Easy up easy down is costly to people who want to invest in their material resources

[lavish rain]

Make open bases immune to titans

[blissful perch]

Easy up hard down means people who show up first get ahead but anyone late to the party is screwed

[lavish rain]

Hard up hard down

[blissful perch]

People who show up first get ahead and nobody else but other first people can contest them

Very stable, but only fun for established people

Removing cryopods would nerf caves adequately imo

[lavish rain]

So there is no winning

[lavish rain]

We've been over this

[blissful perch]

Not for everyone, but that’s kinda ok. Established players probably could do with more competition for their status

[harsh spear]

banning caves makes sense cuz you also want to be able to explore caves ( and get artifacts which you cant do on some maps )

[blissful perch]

Banning caves with any progression in them seems like the most brain dead logical move of all time 😅

It’s a viable thing to do if caves are too small for an alpha’s needs

[past wind]

Caves are there since 2015, but they became op when tek tier started: crios, tps and transmitters make them op.

Caves without those will be just ok

Back in 2015-2016 people only used bears or things like them on the caves

They won’t be if people can’t tp from and to them. Or bring huge Dino’s into them in cryos.

Believe me, they weren’t an issue before tek

Not true. People invaded servers and griffers used to hide in caves, BUT they were limited to what they could hide in the caves

Not getting every dino inside and inability to tp anywhere you want are major factors

You know people used to invade anyway, right? Alphas from other servers would just start from the ground up, hidden, and raid everything

Easy one, we just closed the caves entrances with turrets and all. The guys inside would do nothing.

With tek tier, they can tp and move Dinos in and out

It wasn’t an issue before tek

Same

Because what I’m saying is, you wouldn’t need to get in fast. Just siege and wait

It happened several times in the servers I played

It wasn’t an issue

[quick jay]

Ok

[south lance]

cave mechanic that transmits explosive Shockwave further would be cool

basically just boosted AOE

would need to travel through a cave too

[past wind]

Im not sure about any kind of shockwave, but the 6x damage is already a good thing

It wasn’t an issue before the tek stuff. The problem today is you can play without any limitations inside a cave. You can tp to farm everything. You can move in and out everything.

[untold totem]

When I start playing Valheim again that I realized

Building in restricted 3rd person view SUCKS

[winged dome]

Yeah, I'm a little concerned how builds will be with forced 3rd person

I can see ways of making it work, and also ways of it being awful ... Hopefully gameplay reveal shows a bit of building

[mortal kestrel]

tbh I'd like monster hunter style bosses

have bosses in arkII further your progression by dropping advanced crafting materials rather than unlocking stuff... besides, the steam page already insinuates that we will gain knowledge more from world events anyway

[split dove]

endgame weapon components being dropped from bosses or hard world events would also feel rewarding

[mortal kestrel]

mhmm

its kinda dumb, in concept, that you've killed a boss and just "oh hey I can suddenly craft [fancy tek item here]"

I guess it works in ArkI because the arks themselves probably upload the knowledge into your implant after passing their tests, but arkII doesn't have this system

[blissful perch]

Lore comes after gameplay (almost always)

[mortal kestrel]

well even in gameplay it wouldn't make much sense

[past wind]

People seem to forget this 🤣

[split dove]

it's not like a weapon component part can turn your spear into a boom stick
please don't let this happen

[blissful perch]

Monster hunter unlocks materials and blueprints to a degree

Since you can’t make a weapon without fighting the monster first in most cases

[mortal kestrel]

yes, but that can be justified by the more advanced materials allowing for more advanced crafting methods

[mortal kestrel]

actually, you dont unlock blueprints unless you specifically get a part from that monster, even if you do kill it... and of course, further blueprints are also locked behind checkpoints in the story

and you arent even the one making the weapons

[blissful perch]

You unlock the rath set when beating a rath even if you don’t get the gem

You can’t MAKE the thing until you have the part, but you can see it as a blueprint after you hunt one

[mortal kestrel]

well the gem is usually only needed for one part, but you've most likely gotten at least a scale

[mortal kestrel]

you misread what I said

you dont actually unlock blueprints in general until you get a drop from the monster... raths gem isnt the only crafting part it has, and you are guaranteed drops after killing a monster because you can carve up its corpse

speaking of

corpse carving would be awesome in arkII

[blissful perch]

You get guaranteed bonus rewards carve or no carve simply by hunting a monster in any form

[mortal kestrel]

well that typically depends on how well you did when hunting it

[blissful perch]

But I suppose on paper MHW has two blueprint systems…one locked behind the assigned quests and another unlocked when you hunt a specific monster

[mortal kestrel]

yes

[blissful perch]

The amount and type? Yes. But you always get something

[mortal kestrel]

its not always a monster drop though

it could easily be an ore or something you gathered as well

[blissful perch]

Correct

Although I believe the ore armor sets are default unlocked

[winged dome]

Just restarted World over the weekend, unlocked Diablos set on first visit to Wastelands thanks to turf war with Barroth 😂