ark-2

[lime forge]

Only game I’m as excited about as Ark 2

[tropic forge]

its a sub game

[lime forge]

It’s not a sub game

[tropic forge]

you pay subs to play

[lime forge]

No you won’t. Devs have already spoke on this and have no intentions of charging a subscription.

I’m assuming you’re mixing it up with something

[tropic forge]

nope last year i almost bought it but i read and was a sub game maybe they dont charge now cause you barely can do anything but they will

[lime forge]

You can’t even play it right now

[tropic forge]

you can when they do tests but aint ark 2 better stop before we get the hammer

[lime forge]

I take it back. Either I got it confused with something or something changed.

It will be a sub

My bad

[past wind]

If the meme is really about updating the Ark 1 engine, I didn’t like the move at this point. I mean, we are eagerly waiting for new info about the animated series and Ark 2, not for an Ark 1 update.

[lime forge]

My thoughts exactly

[past wind]

Not saying it wouldn’t be cool to see Ark 1 updated, but the timing isn’t good

[lime forge]

I really have no interest in it

Like I’ve put thousands of hours into Ark. Thats majority time at keyboard.

Idc how good it looks

[tropic forge]

you should be tremble if ark 1 was getting update to EU5 cause it wasent good news at all for ark 2

[minor prism]

U 2 just main discord or what 🤔 how u not interested in ark 1 all of a sudden 😂😂

[lime forge]

We like Ark 1, it’s a great game.

But after thousands of hours why would we want a remaster while they’re already making a sequel?

[minor prism]

Bro ngl the fact that they said Christmas was last thing they was touching then we got sotf and now upgraded engine like cmon boys don’t be gay lmao

[past wind]

Me too, but I would definitely try it. But I would get bored really fast.

[lime forge]

Ah you’re one of those guys

[minor prism]

Nah I’m waiting for ark 2 to bro that’s why I even entertain this section of the discord

[lime forge]

I might check it out if they give it to me but I ain’t buying it. Who do they think they are? Bethesda?

[minor prism]

I like ark 1 tho and don’t think ark 2 Guna be better than it matter of fact I think they are leaning more towards pve and that sounds shit to me ngl 😂

[past wind]

No, definitely won’t pay for it

[lime forge]

It’s just to little to late man. I know they really couldn’t have done it sooner but that’s just the way it is.

[bold juniper]

Conan is pve doesn’t mean it can’t have pvp

[tidal kettle]

lmao

[lime forge]

Would have been much better if done after Ark 2 was released. Probably would have made a great nostalgia buy.

[minor prism]

Tried it bro you can only raid at certain times 😂 dookie that is bro ngl

[bold juniper]

Sorry you can’t online raid someone must be sad

[lime forge]

People read the word story and immediately think it’s all PvE

[minor prism]

You sound mad af ngl 😂

Don’t play pvp it’s not for people like you lmao

[bold juniper]

You sound mad and trash at the game, the time forces people to online raid

If you can’t fight people your not playing pvp

Simply raiding bases is pve

Because your only fighting the game

[lime forge]

Insert he’s right you know meme here

[minor prism]

If u say so bro I know what I know and I don’t think you playing Conan makes you a g nice try tho

[lime forge]

Your PfP is a doodle from a bad spoof movie made 20 years ago

[blissful perch]

Hold on he’s right: ark 1 PvP is primarily a knowledge game 🧠

[bold juniper]

Well I play both and offline raiding is piss easy, if that’s the only thing you can do your no good at the game and prolly shouldn’t even play

[blissful perch]

Let’s see if ark 2 changes that to be more about mechanical skill

[minor prism]

Shows I’m not 12 bro lol

[past wind]

Off-line raiding is definitely pve. You are fighting AI.

[minor prism]

You know nothing about me just assuming you know lol fact is your mad af that offlining exists me on the other hand I just don’t get offlined fat L for you tho 👌

[lime forge]

Don’t be a Menace that’s the name

[bold juniper]

Yes because I correct someone I’m mad, sounds like someone is deflecting

[lime forge]

The only people who don’t get off lined are the people who have to bury their bases in the mesh

[minor prism]

No your mad because you moan about offline raiding bro just get good maybe 🤷‍♂️

Not in mesh bro

[bold juniper]

Bruh

[minor prism]

Just know how to pvp 😂

[blissful perch]

Or unemployed 24/7 bois

[minor prism]

Don’t get wiped or offline because my tribe ain’t ass lmao

[bold juniper]

Me getting offline raided is not pvp

[lime forge]

For sure unemployed

[bold juniper]

For sure

[minor prism]

Self employed next?

[lime forge]

I miss being unemployed

[bold juniper]

Building 20 dollar bases

[minor prism]

Cry maybe 🤔

[lime forge]

Really took all that free time for granted

[past wind]

Ark isn’t a job

[lime forge]

Tbf if it pays the bills it’s a job

[minor prism]

Lmaoo you all sound mad af 😂 must hurt to not live the life you want to huh

[bold juniper]

Maybe if you had any mechanical sense you could try online raiding, I promise it’s more fun

[lime forge]

Something tells me he ain’t paying no bills tho

[minor prism]

Stay salty my people 👊

[bold juniper]

So you think offline raiding is pvp

[lime forge]

Why did you have to use the cut up cucumber for that? What is wrong with you?

Use the grape fruit

[tropic forge]

dint let me spell it 🤣 belive me i try

[lime forge]

Lol

[valid oracle]

hai guys, are there any updates on the release date yet?

[blissful perch]

…you mean eggplant?

[bold juniper]

Offlineing is pve on lining is pvp, if you can’t online at all your bad, not saying you can’t offline but if that’s your only way then your on the wrong game mode

[lime forge]

Yes….

In my defense I don’t eat either

[blissful perch]

Idk about you but an ark 2 eggplant parm would go hard

[fallow niche]

[lime forge]

Hey bee

[blissful perch]

Me: talks about how I want to make a mean eggplant parm in ark 2
Bee: 👀

[bold juniper]

Eggplant park is a disgusting food

[ripe cedar]

I agree, i dont want to eat a park

[lime forge]

Dog parks aren’t bad

Little stringy

[ripe cedar]

So do you think food will be better than meat, cooked meat, and berries

[lime forge]

Yeah.

[blissful perch]

It would be nice to rely on actual dishes instead of eating entirely cooked meat

[bold juniper]

Complex food systems are tiring in games

[ripe cedar]

I think that there will actually be plants with specific fruits that grow in specific places, also different types of meat, at the minimum carnivore and herbivore

[bold juniper]

I don’t wanna make a trip around the map to make one meal

[lime forge]

That would be awesome

[blissful perch]

Extremely simple ones may as well not exist tho

[bold juniper]

But they should

[lime forge]

Maybe gather enough to make more than 1?

[blissful perch]

Removing ark 1’s hunger system would at worst make bobs in the snow region mildly sad

[bold juniper]

You should most definitely be able to make simple foods

[tropic forge]

wait you guys want primitive but want fine cuisine 🤣

[bold juniper]

I’m talking pvp wise I’d rather spend my time not making food and rather the dinosaurs

[blissful perch]

Complex ≠ fine cuisine tf? Complex just means not meat on a stick

[bold juniper]

Bruh that’s fax round here

[lime forge]

I don’t mind the system but ffs remove the god awful moaning

[ripe cedar]

Might be ok if you dont loose all of your hunger in 10 seconds

[tropic forge]

but thats primitive only bbq meat

[lime forge]

Cooking isn’t primitive?

[blissful perch]

Even the most primitive people didn’t just swallow pounds of cooked meat as their entire diet

[bold juniper]

Cooking is primitive

[ripe cedar]

They really need to change how leveling works because in ark 1 it really does suck, half the things dont really do anything and every level up gives the same increment in the stat and you dont get anything new out of it just the same stats from level 1 to level 180

[blissful perch]

Imo levels shouldn’t change stats at all

[ripe cedar]

Yeah

[lime forge]

Fun fact: the first pie was made by egyptians in the 5th century BC

[ripe cedar]

I agree but seems too controversial

[lime forge]

Yeah that opinion sucks

Growing stronger as you level is like…. I wanna say required

[bold juniper]

Nah the offlinign is pvp opinion sucks

[astral token]

Even if a UE5 port happens

Nothing gameplay wise is gonna change probably

[lime forge]

Don’t change the subject!

[ripe cedar]

Obviously you get stronger but it shouldnt be only through rigid stat increases

[lime forge]

Bro I want more stats

I want strength, agility, dexterity, endurance

The whole nine yards

[blissful perch]

Return to WoW for that fix

[ripe cedar]

So dark souls leveling?

[blissful perch]

I’d take ark 1 to dark souls leveling every time

[lime forge]

Sure, they’re already adding RPG aspects. I’ll bet dollars against dimes the leveling will be the same.

[ripe cedar]

Well remember we also have the skillh tree that is advanced seperately as well

[tropic forge]

dude you bet a lot you gonna be broken whit bets

[lime forge]

I make a stupid amount of money fox

[minor prism]

Bro stop being a fucking idiot lmao, can you offline on pve servers? Now why can’t u offline on a pve server then? Because you play a PvP server and offlining is part of the PvP cluster on ark 🤦‍♂️ you are right though obviously technically offlining is pve you don’t fight anything ffs lmao

[tropic forge]

well i make none 🤣

[bold juniper]

Yes offlining is a part of pvp but it’s a pve thing to do

[lime forge]

Offlining is for sure PvE gameplay, but that’s no need to ruin a perfectly good discussion about food and leveling in Ark 2

[ripe cedar]

Well it is kinda required with how well balanced ark can be

[fallow niche]

Pvp complaints can ark 1 probably be aired in #pvp-discussion

[ripe cedar]

Why

Ark 2 has pvp

So why cant we discuss how it could be different

[lime forge]

Because she said so

[fallow niche]

Because they're complaining about ark 1 currently

Not ark 2.

Gentle reminder to bring it back on topic.

[ripe cedar]

I complain about ark 1 all the time here but i guess its not pvp so doesnt count, we still dont have enough ark 2 info to purely talk about it so we have to take what we have from ark 1 a lot as well

[lime forge]

Just to come back to this it won’t only be through stats, we’re getting a skill tree as well.

[ripe cedar]

I know

[blissful perch]

I wouldn’t mind fixed stat increases on level up I guess

But leveling up food and water is already basically a trap…and movement speed levels are cringe

[fallow niche]

It's dedicated to ark 2, hence the reminders.

[lime forge]

They can’t all be fixed. I want control over my build.

[ripe cedar]

I think that it shouldn’t be exactly like ark 1 though

[lime forge]

Me neither

[blissful perch]

“Equipment, gear, and tames”

[ripe cedar]

Maybe diminishing returns so you at least cant just level 1 thing a stupid anount

Remove crafting skill also

[lime forge]

Bro you’re giving me a meat patty when I want a cheeseburger

Gotta have my buns shifter

And by buns I mean stats

[ripe cedar]

Bring in new stats that are more combat related since people only level for combat anyway

[lime forge]

Crunchy stats

[blissful perch]

Your cheeseburger is made with Kraft singles paddy and I don’t want it

[lime forge]

Bro I don’t buy American cheese

[blissful perch]

Crafting skill needs to be entirely changed to be about crafting speed and perhaps unlocking new crafting materials/methods

[lime forge]

We buy blocks of cheese and shred and slice our own. I guarantee you, if I ever offer you any kind of sandwich, you want it.

[ripe cedar]

Maybe have upgrades for the crafting stations themselves insead of players idk

[blissful perch]

Then why sell me a Kraft cheeseburger of an idea? You’re better than that 😂

[ripe cedar]

And let you make player inventory items in the smithy for example

[lime forge]

Crafting skill is booty

[lime forge]

You’re apparently very picky

Shifter gotta have it just right

[blissful perch]

For RPG elements? You right

[lime forge]

I think Rpg elements are just what the doctor ordered

[blissful perch]

It’s a major gripe I have about ark 1 is bad RPG implementation

It extends from breeding to player levels to note runs

[split dove]

ah yes, cheese sandwiches for ark 2

[ripe cedar]

Make dino stats less random(if they really need to stay at all that is) with less dangerous areas having lower max level and more dangerous areas with high min and max level

[lime forge]

Gotta have Dino stats to

[bold juniper]

Ark1 is a dinosaur sandbox game first and for most

That’s kinda what I want from ark2

[blissful perch]

Yes. A sandbox game has no obligation to be an RPG

[lime forge]

Rpg aspects do nothing to take away from that.

[blissful perch]

I think it’s fine to sprinkle in some RPG, but it’s far from a requirement

[ripe cedar]

Well they are obviously keeping some rpg aspects if xp is a thing

[bold juniper]

Yes but I’d rather development be focuse on game mechanics over rpg

[lime forge]

And skill trees.

[blissful perch]

Rpg IS a game mechanic. An insanely major one

[ripe cedar]

But rpg does fit with sandbox in that it allows player freedom with how they make their character, i can only hope to god that it actually is balanced and there isnt one build that does everything

[split dove]

i tend to forget my rpg launcher is a game mechanic 🧨

[bold juniper]

Lol

[ripe cedar]

I think thats a c4 dodo

[bold juniper]

RPG who uses those tek grenade launcher is much better

[split dove]

close, it's a boomstick dodo

[ripe cedar]

Will ark 2 have dynamite?

[bold juniper]

[ripe cedar]

I know it will have dinomight at least

[blissful perch]

It’s a way to express for sure. But it comes at a cost of directly contradicting survival elements if you’re scaling and the ecosystem isn’t

[ripe cedar]

That is true

[lime forge]

This is one of the main reason I want separate trees for main aspects of the game. Like combat, breeding, harvesting just to offer a few examples.

[blissful perch]

Which is why imo WC should tread carefully when adding RPG elements

[lime forge]

Something where everyone can do everything but you specialize into something specific or a hybrid

[ripe cedar]

But its kinda a staple of ark games at this point dont you think

[wispy sierra]

Kraft cheeseburger?

[ripe cedar]

Lol

[split dove]

no wonder there is a Krafting skill stat

[ripe cedar]

.

[blissful perch]

I’d say that yes, some form of RPG progression is essential to what people expect in ark. I can’t deny that 😅

It’s also part of what makes things hype. Taming any old rex isn’t as hype as bagging a max level

[lime forge]

That’s right shifter

Baby steps

[blissful perch]

Any suggestion of being able to level up movement speed remains cringe

[lime forge]

As is

Movement speed should be upgradable.

[ripe cedar]

So rpgs either level up the enemies( which you cant do in multiplayer without bs) or have really easy areas and really hard ones so guess we are going with the latter or just dont have the rpg elements make you invincible to lower level stuff but obviously stronger towards it

[lime forge]

Just not near to the extent you can currently get it

[blissful perch]

Correct assessment, and yes the later option will be needed

[lime forge]

I’m fairly certain my survivor in Ark 1 can sprint close to 80 mph

[timid raptor]

yall tie character development and strength progression too strongly to the RPG genre. its not just RPG's, its a generic game design concept.

[lime forge]

Eh.

[blissful perch]

Identify another genre that does stat based leveling up as a form of progression and I’ll concede the point

Other than idle games I guess 😂

[timid raptor]

survival games

[lime forge]

Name one

[timid raptor]

ark, grounded, conan

[astral token]

The levelling system in ARK sucks

[lime forge]

Idk what grounded is but Ark is tagged as an rpg

Pretty sure Conan is as well

[astral token]

A skill based system like Horizon would be far better

[ripe cedar]

Well we know ark 2 has a skill ttree

[blissful perch]

Three survival rpg games

[wispy sierra]

Gottem

[astral token]

Who?

[timid raptor]

well i guess its taking RPG to a very literal sense of abou the character, but most games are RPG's in that sense where you are playing the role of a character.

[ripe cedar]

Who?

[blissful perch]

By that logic every game is a survival game if you can die

[timid raptor]

I normally associate RPG's to deeper story games like Final Fantasy etc

[blissful perch]

Oh rpg by no means refers to story or plot

[lime forge]

It refers to stats and levels

Maybe fireballs

[timid raptor]

i know it doesnt, but going by the base definition, most games are RPG's then

except stuff like ace combat lol

[blissful perch]

Most are not

[untold totem]

time to reset to day 0

[ripe cedar]

Yeah

[lime forge]

Just let the fireballs happen

[blissful perch]

My entire point is name another genre that has stats and leveling that isn’t RPG

[lime forge]

Stop.stomping. My dreams

[blissful perch]

And no, I don’t count battle pass leveling or cosmetic leveling

[ripe cedar]

Honestly i like fireballs but fire is rough man it is too strong

Have you ever been hit by a fireball

[blissful perch]

What about fire cubes

[lime forge]

No. It’s gotta be spherical, conical, or a Ray

[mortal kestrel]

fire squares

geometry dash, but the shapes are dashing at you

[lime forge]

I’ll accept a shoulder pet as long as it shoots fireballs on my command

That would be awesome

[ripe cedar]

Like dodogama meatballs

[timid raptor]

it's not a mutually exclusive genre then in that regard, RPG is really more of as i said, a game design concept. it doesn't establish the base feel of the game.
you mainly don't see stat based character progression in competitive shooters for fairness reasons.

but what are some examples of non competitive games that don't have some form of character progression where you do play as a character?

[lime forge]

Ark 2: Dungeons and Dino’s

[blissful perch]

True survival games like subnautica

[timid raptor]

never got to play that one

[blissful perch]

No stat leveling of any kind in that game

[timid raptor]

kinda got spoiled nephew watched youtuber play entire game beside me lol

[lime forge]

I’ve never played it

[ripe cedar]

I did

[lime forge]

Is it worth it?

[ripe cedar]

Depends

Its kinda buggy but your an ark player so youll be fine

[lime forge]

I got turned off of straight up survival by green hell

[ripe cedar]

Depends how much you like the ocean

[mint swan]

Original subnautica is amazing. BZ was too buggy and my saves kept bugging out so i stopped playing it.

[lime forge]

I’ve really taken to ocean survival this recent playthrough of Ark

[ionic meteor]

ARK Players are immune to bugs

[ripe cedar]

Yeah

I love ark oceans but there isnt really anything in them

[timid raptor]

im guessing you mainly want to see it gone for pvp balance in ark2 right? well i hope you accept thats highly unlikely lol

[blissful perch]

Idc about PvP balance if it’s actually fun to watch

Since I dropped PvP when I got busy with my life

[lime forge]

Yeah, they have to much life and not enough anything else in current oceans. (Island, gen 2)

[blissful perch]

I want movement speed leveling gone because I want PvE improved to be somewhat challenging

[mortal kestrel]

my favorite survival game outside of ark and modded minecraft (because minecraft will forever hold a place in my heart) would have to be valheim tbh

[lime forge]

And idc what anyone says, megalodons aggro from way to far away

[timid raptor]

theyll prob do what they did in atlas where theres material you must farm from the ocean

[lime forge]

Valheim is fantastic

[mortal kestrel]

idc what anyone says

megalodons are too small

give me, the big

[ripe cedar]

Megalodons are more real life sized the problem is not many others ark dinos are so they seem too small lol

[timid raptor]

@lime forge thats on my next list to play after me and my brother finish grounded this week to hold off until ark2

[ripe cedar]

Being in 3rd person most things will be smaller

[lime forge]

And maybe some passive aquatic life. Why does everything in the ocean have to kill me no matter what I’m riding?

[mortal kestrel]

realism? in my funny dinosaur space game?

[ripe cedar]

Because its easier to see how fucking big some of these dinos are

[blissful perch]

They tried that in Gen 1 with more fish and it broke performance horribly

[ripe cedar]

It gets pretty silly

[lime forge]

In what world is a fucking eel gonna attack a squid that larger than a semi truck

[mortal kestrel]

it gets silly because they dont go all out with it

[timid raptor]

grounded isnt by any intent a 'competitor' to ark and conan, but its a decent experience for a play for the story and call it done with similar mechanics on a more casual style.

[ripe cedar]

Ok so you want the entire map to be a giant dino

[mortal kestrel]

if you're going to have huge creatures, go all the way

[mortal kestrel]

no, but if it isnt fluffy and cute, I want it bigger than one would expect from a real life equivalent

the games megalodons are the size of great white sharks at most

[lime forge]

Definitely worth it.

[jaunty fable]

You've never seen the size of a great white..

[mortal kestrel]

I've been scuba diving, so I have actually

[timid raptor]

i went back to do conan modded, but story of my life for conan is play for few weeks and server wipes, so done with that game ugh.

[lime forge]

It’s not about the great white it’s about the comparison

[mortal kestrel]

also that ^

[jaunty fable]

So you're wrong on purpose?

[lime forge]

Megalodon would swallow a great white

[untold totem]

• pokes modders *

[mortal kestrel]

no, I am drawing a comparison for humor and satire

arks megalodon vs the megalodon she tells you not to worry about

[jaunty fable]

That's fine but it also depends on which science we're following. The Meg size differ a lot from source to source 😁

[mortal kestrel]

yeah

[timid raptor]

jan 25 is the game showcase thing right that the theory is more details will be released there?

[mortal kestrel]

the measurements are anywhere from 30 up to 60 feet irl

with some even going as far to claim 80, but I wouldnt put stock in that-

[blissful perch]

*rumor

[lime forge]

I’d like to see the ocean provide everything in Ark 2. It would be cool to be able to do an entire playthrough that’s mainly water based.

[blissful perch]

#oceanDLC

[tropic forge]

oceans definitely need to be more "alive" on ark 1 you have barely anything to do on the ocean

[mortal kestrel]

I would love to be able to do ocean only playthroughs in ark

[timid raptor]

rumor/theory kinda interchangeable there lol

[mortal kestrel]

not really

[blissful perch]

Pretty sure you can on Gen 1

[mortal kestrel]

yes but really no

[timid raptor]

one theorizes they may release details at the next gaming event

[mortal kestrel]

being on the islands does not count as being in the ocean imo

[blissful perch]

If you count the underwater caves and not the islands

[mortal kestrel]

good luck getting to them without being shocked to death

[lime forge]

Maybe we get lucky and they add metal and obsidian nodes to the island ocean when they port over to ue5

[mortal kestrel]

especially as a fresh spawn

[blissful perch]

There’s no pebbles to make your first pick in the oceans, but after that you can survive without seeing the surface

[tropic forge]

the water bases aside from being expensive as hell they are horror show whit those frames stinking out

[blissful perch]

Skill issue detected

[mortal kestrel]

meh

[blissful perch]

Simply be lucky

[timid raptor]

im really shocked they are gonna port to ue5 for ark1. conan devs was like "yeah weve modified the engine too much, no way in hell were ever going to ue5" and ark1 is 200x worse than conan lol

[tidal raft]

NO TETHER please

[mint swan]

WC never confirmed anything

[lime forge]

You’re on PlayStation you don’t get a vote

[untold totem]

i call doubt on that one because it's a meme

[mortal kestrel]

its just a meme at this stage

[timid raptor]

oh? then why are people saying it like its a fact

[mortal kestrel]

if it actually does happen, it will likely be after arkII releases

[lime forge]

Because community

[timid raptor]

i havent been keeping up lately, people worded it like it was confrmed

[untold totem]

because all people working in and proxy to WC shared the meme like it was the truth

[tropic forge]

cause ppl are crazy plus clickbaits youtubers are loving this

[astral token]

It’s not confirmed

[mortal kestrel]

see #announcements its all we know

and as you can see, is literally a meme

[bold juniper]

Honestly I’d love to see Conan I ue5 because the game is broken as is, I’m sure shaving it and starting relatively new is better for them

[lime forge]

It was posted in the official announcements channel they have every reason to believe it’s happening

[timid raptor]

@bold juniper upgrading engine doesnt fix a game 😛

[bold juniper]

I’m saying it wouldnt be a big deal to start mostly fresh because the game code is so bad

[mortal kestrel]

conan is ass

the combat feels terrible, as does interacting with enemies because nothing has a turn radius and everything breaks physics to fight you

[untold totem]

oh ye i forgot to mentioned that the twit side of the community is gullible AF

[astral token]

Once again I will state my theory for those who haven’t seen it:

This is serving as a buzz to create talk till actual news about ARK II drops. If anything, it’ll serve as a filler for the ARK II delay to 2024

[bold juniper]

Pvp is find turn radius is fast and breaking physics where?

[untold totem]

more of a red herring to stir things up

[timid raptor]

yeah conan is on life support. I considered going to work for conan as I live next to them, and I have a specialization in game server performance development, wanted to help fix the dang game. But reading employee reviews.... horrible place to work.

[mint swan]

I was thinking the same TBH.

[astral token]

They need to keep generating talk about the game

[lime forge]

If they’re playing with my feelings like that my wrath will come down on them like the hammer of Thor

[mortal kestrel]

idk about you

but a fat ass crocodile sliding clockwise to face me doesnt look very natural to me

[lime forge]

The sound of my fury will echo through the corridors of WC HQ like the gusts of a thousand winds

[untold totem]

wake me up when they do actually release the gameplay

[bold juniper]

Hey Conan ai is among the worst out there no doubt

[astral token]

The hammer of Thor as seen lately in media doesn’t have much weight behind it, just a couple of bad jokes and some not funny puns

[untold totem]

sarco intensifies

[bold juniper]

It’ll sound like this “wahahahahahh”

[mortal kestrel]

the only thing conan did right was the ability to toggle censer garments 😔

[bold juniper]

Nah pvp in Conan is super fun

[astral token]

What about thin ass crocodiles jumping perpendicular to the direction they’re facing

[lime forge]

I can’t tell if that maniacal laughter or crying tbh

[bold juniper]

Waluigi crying

[mortal kestrel]

thats different, the sarco actually turns hits head and leaps at you

its not just tpose rotating clockwise while Im strafing

[bold juniper]

So both

[timid raptor]

performance is 20x better than ark, building aethetics make ark look like minecraft.

[bold juniper]

True but server performance is worse then arks

[timid raptor]

raiding was fun in how much simpler it was, people could create char and participate in action in hours on boosted servers.

[mortal kestrel]

I disagree on that

performance on conan is so ass that my character gets stuck in the ground and starts sliding to infinity if I so much as look at a building the wrong way

[lime forge]

My wrath is a real thing. I once drove my car through my buddy’s porch cause he called me a name as I was leaving.

[ripe cedar]

What is max player count

[timid raptor]

yeah agreed in ways, hence why i said i wanted to help fix it lol.

[lime forge]

I’ll do it again too

[mortal kestrel]

ark gets the occasional lagspike, but I've never had serious performance issues with it like in conan

[timid raptor]

@mortal kestrel i meant client FPS performance, sorry i should have clarified. You get much smoother FPS around large bases on conan vs ark.

[mortal kestrel]

meh

[bold juniper]

Servers can have 70 but typically the server feels heavy around 30

[mortal kestrel]

I dont care about having top of the line fps

besides, ark has a lot more going on in its bases than conan, so of course fps will be lower

[bold juniper]

Nah I’d say ark wins on server performance but building and pvp I like Conan more

[untold totem]

laughs in lag banding in The Den because me and some Miran build temples next to eachother, creating a severe lag spike

and those are just temples

any ways... ARK 2

[mortal kestrel]

I hope arkII will have heavy weapons, like greatswords tbh

[bold juniper]

Just don’t use foundations, they eat the server

[lime forge]

More weapon types are a must

[timid raptor]

well the switch to combat style, thats extremely likely @mortal kestrel

[ripe cedar]

Just dont build

[bold juniper]

I wanna see spear gang

[mint swan]

WC did fix A LOT of the gamebreaking bugs. 2015 was a dark time for Ark

[lime forge]

Ark 1 sword is a gd machete anyways

[untold totem]

i dont... ||because i am Jhebbal Sag AF|| and

those

are

just

temples

[ripe cedar]

I want a bonk stick

[blissful perch]

*Roman Phalanx

[bold juniper]

No this just spear only spear and nothing but spear

[mortal kestrel]

and I want the heavy weapons to actually feel heavy

I want to drag my blade as I swing it, maybe some forceful overhead swings as well

not like valheims greatsword, which is just a slowed down normal sword with no signficant difference

[mint swan]

I really hope Ark 2 doesn't have as many major issues right on launch. I think my record crashes for a day was like 15 or something.

[bold juniper]

You’ll never hit an opponent

[mortal kestrel]

not true

[lime forge]

That’s the highest hope I’ve ever seen in this server

[ripe cedar]

From a new game as big as this in 2023 probably not gonna happen

[mortal kestrel]

besides, Im not a pvp focused player regardless

[ionic meteor]

Expect some bugs at launch for sure but its fine

[bold juniper]

The slower the move the easier to read irl as be ass at pvp

[ripe cedar]

Yeah but they also do hella damage

[ionic meteor]

Because no game in existance releases without bugs

[bold juniper]

Hella damage but never hits is bad

[ripe cedar]

Might be better against dinos than players

[mortal kestrel]

arkII will def have a rough launch, considering we are seeing it in early access

[lime forge]

Skill issue

[untold totem]

i hope in ARK 2, PVP players should adapt to PVE changes... not the other way around

you know.. skill issue and anything

[bold juniper]

Sounds like mace in Conan not one player uses it to pvp, cus it’s ass at pvp but god tier pve

[mortal kestrel]

exactly

[timid raptor]

the trailer for game, ive read it interpreted as vin 'turning off' tek, as a signal that tek will not be a thing and game will stay more primitive. is this concrete?

[lime forge]

How would that work

[bold juniper]

Nah pve adapt to pvp

[untold totem]

skill issue

[ripe cedar]

Well when half of pvp is other tribes tames thats kinda important

[bold juniper]

It’s easier to adapt to pvp then pve

[ripe cedar]

And yeah if pve isnt balanced no fucking way is pvp gonna be

[mortal kestrel]

yes and no

arkII wont have tek as we see in arkI

but we will still see element, as its the main antagonist of arks universe

[ripe cedar]

Especially when you are taming things

[lime forge]

So just an empty hope with no context?

[untold totem]

if PVP players feel good about themsleves by "gitting gud" how come they cried when the PVE changes affected their meta

[mortal kestrel]

^

[ripe cedar]

Because thats not what they care about

[lime forge]

PvP players cry about everything

[untold totem]

that is what the PVP scrubs always say to a raided PVE/RP player

[ripe cedar]

They care about dominating the server

[mortal kestrel]

also true

[lime forge]

I know because I’m a PvPr lol

[bold juniper]

Because they have greater affects then pve, and besides pve is supposed to be challenging

[untold totem]

basically they care about the meta to dominate the server

[ripe cedar]

Exactly

[mortal kestrel]

solid pve makes even better pvp imo

[bold juniper]

That’s just every games pvp we

[mortal kestrel]

pvp is only goes so far in a game with other elements if said other elements are lack luster

source: new world and last oasis

[lime forge]

I think the hostile PvE force is gonna be huge for the PvE side of the game

[ripe cedar]

You could have the admin gun be in the game in pvp and people would complain if it was removed and that anyone that died to it just sucked

[split dove]

that's the lightest response if they don't try to swear you to death in 20 languages at the same time

[bold juniper]

Meh, depends on what

[minor prism]

Lmao you lot do realise that PvP players have to do the same shit you pve players do. to play PvP gives you more to worry about you have to pve and PvP what u guys doing on pve role playing 🤔 lol

[timid raptor]

long as it actually is a real threat like a pvp threat would be. and not just some lackluster attack that you consider more an annoyance than a threat

[ripe cedar]

All the more reason to balance pve

[bold juniper]

Pvp is an add on to pve so there for changing pvp doesn’t affect pve as much, less headache for devs

Pve isn’t that hard to balance anyways

[mortal kestrel]

hey if people want to rp, then let them rp

hell, ark would be a lot bigger if it better enabled people to rp in all honesty

source: ffxiv, a game where like half the player base does nothing but talk in chat

[lime forge]

It’ll start as a real threat and then get nerfed into the ground when WC realizes PvE players have no idea how to defend a base haha

[untold totem]

PVP players need to practice what they preach and git gud

[timid raptor]

that's part of learning 🙂 not much different than losing everything on your char as a new player constantly due to being eaten by rex's and raptors

[ripe cedar]

When have ark pvp players preached that lol

[mortal kestrel]

when havent they?

[untold totem]

see TSOTF feedbacks

[bold juniper]

We do all that pve shit too so honestly speaking they are better

Maybe not at making bases

That look nice

But that’s just a subjective definitions

[untold totem]

i am more like PVP players should adapt to the game mechanics aka PVE... not the other way around

[timid raptor]

ark1 never felt a real threat to the base, but passive dinos was a threat, so would be good for base to have that same risk, require that players setup offensive base defenses for PVE Too

[bold juniper]

It’s easier for pve to adapt to pvp

[blissful perch]

If I have to worry about getting offlined on PvE servers I’m gonna be extremely irritated

[lime forge]

They do? PvP players do the exact same thing as PvE players with the added threat of hostile tribes.

[untold totem]

lol no

[lime forge]

PvP is PvE. PvE is not PvP

[timid raptor]

i switched from pve to pvp on ark because i felt like i was missing so much of the game to have a purpose, like you barely use turrets in pve on ark1

[bold juniper]

Kinda because pvp changes don’t really matter to pve, like when do you use the tek made launcher

Or turrets

[untold totem]

bring a well leved, PVP Spec dino to wipe a "NPC threat" doesnt make an NPC more threatening

[timid raptor]

i had mainly used them in aberration because mobs kept falling down into my base from above, that was about it.

[bold juniper]

Gigi’s don’t really matter on pve like they do on pvp

[blissful perch]

Gigas are horrible design ☠️

[ripe cedar]

You still run missions with em i suppose

[bold juniper]

But if they changed yoga’s mostly pvp would be affected

[minor prism]

Bring back gigas that rage when they stub ther toe 😂

[ripe cedar]

Giga = yoga lol

[lime forge]

Like balance wise or just how derpy they look?

[timid raptor]

I've not played ark in over a year, wtf is a yoga?

[bold juniper]

Diabolical

[untold totem]

both

[blissful perch]

Yes, game balance is much more sensitive for PvP

[bold juniper]

I hate auto correct

[blissful perch]

Balance

[timid raptor]

your auto correct changed giga to yoga?

[bold juniper]

So therefor focusing pvp changes is better, it

[bold juniper]

Yes

[lime forge]

Ok. Hear me out.

[blissful perch]

PvP balance should come first if WC wants a survival PvP game over a sandbox game

[lime forge]

Balance PvE and PvP separately

[ripe cedar]

Survival sanbox

[blissful perch]

But since a sandbox game is more about adding things to do than creating and maintaining a PvP meta game…

[untold totem]

so basically the same "balance changes in ARK 1"

looked how it turned out

it made PVE looked like a children's party

[bold juniper]

Yes

[blissful perch]

Ooh bad example. Almost all changes because of PvP made PvE better

[bold juniper]

It was always gonna be like that with breeding

[mortal kestrel]

I took a step back to get some coffee, but this is true

[timid raptor]

Honestly, I don't know why devs dont just do this. Even at the simplest attempt you can have damage modifier tables, and have 1 table for PVE, 1 for PVP, and the game chooses the table based on attack context. even if its not perfect, better than nothing.

[mortal kestrel]

ark is indeed classified as a sandbox game, and i dont see why arkII would be different

[untold totem]

so the "oops all bleed" TLC update is "better" since it tried to combat tames with extreme health?

"trying" is the best word here

[ripe cedar]

It was 3 dinos

[lime forge]

I’ve never understood it either

[timid raptor]

like dolphins lasers, OP in PvP on official, weaker than an ant in PVE context.

[lime forge]

A lot of games do it

[blissful perch]

Yep. It’s about tools and experiences, not a meta

[bold juniper]

It is an end game tame so it should be powerful tho

[blissful perch]

Which is contradictory to many folk’s expectations for a PvP experience with a managed meta

[ripe cedar]

Gen 2 doesnt even get a second to talk about anything balance related

[mortal kestrel]

if the devs cared that much, then they should make tames act differently depending on the server being pvp or pve

[timid raptor]

My point was that PVE needs a boost for lasers, but they cant due to PVP, they need separate modifier tables for PVE vs PVP

[tropic forge]

best guess coding but againt you had more controls on dinos in pvp while pve got cut from those like grabbing

[untold totem]

the dolphin is not even made for PVE lol

aside from missions

and the mission mobs is weak AF

[bold juniper]

You want the game by 2024 or 2040 lol

[minor prism]

When shit was one tapping metal cliff plats 😂

[blissful perch]

There’s already changes between PvP and PvE like flier carry and whatnot. But imo it should be minimal

[mortal kestrel]

and with ark being a sandbox game, fun stuff like fancy movement and flying should be enabled to the individual servers discretion and not a hard coded limitation

[timid raptor]

@tropic forge I'm a senior engineer/architect, coding for it is not difficult. but if they were sloppy in how attack code is processed, it may be a lot of duplicated code to implement.

[mortal kestrel]

like how flyer speed leveling is, or hell even cave flying

[blissful perch]

Oh no, flier speed leveling must be off by default

[ripe cedar]

They could do it but at this point im pretty sure they have given up on balance for ark 1 at least

[bold juniper]

Agreed the more one game mode changes the harder it is for a player to do either or

[blissful perch]

Because sweet Jesus that was broken lol

[mortal kestrel]

the game is releasing in early access anyways

Im happy to have the change come in early access

[blissful perch]

Best update in ark 1 was the flier nerf

[untold totem]

bats go brrrrr

[lime forge]

What do you have against speed improvements in general?

[mint swan]

wouldnt say it was the best. It was needed, not the best though.

[bold juniper]

Getting picked by a pt flying super sonic

[untold totem]

quetz base intensifies

[timid raptor]

ability to shoot someone flying is much more difficult if they are going super fast

[bold juniper]

Can’t wait for my astrocetus to go more then 5 mph

[mortal kestrel]

yes, i agree

notice me saying "not a hard coded limitation" and not something like "should always be on"

while it should be off by default, I agree, I also think there should be more freedom on individual servers to customize that stuff how they feel

[mint swan]

watching the community cry over the flyer nerf was pretty funny though

[blissful perch]

Other than obvious issues like breaking into the mesh or breaking animations? It makes the game way too easy and breaks down engagements (too easy to enter/exit fights) and travel times

[astral token]

The thing about ARK is that it was made on a large power scale

They wanted a primitive dinosaur survival

[tropic forge]

at the begining of launch on ps4 in pve you could grab wild dinos but like always some dipshits start to drop boas on other ppl base so wc decide on pve no more able to grab wild dinos that included tusos ability to heal whit the grab attack

[astral token]

And a futuristic technological dystopia

[untold totem]

and a hard reset lol

[lime forge]

Imo speed should be upgradable on everything. It just needs to be controlled. There’s a huge difference between an xtra 15% and an xtra 100%

[bold juniper]

People were picking with griffs and dropping others to death for their loot

[ripe cedar]

Idk what to tell you just play pvp

[astral token]

The problem emerged that, while you could explain a bow not killing anything on impact, you couldn’t do the same for mythical blasts of an unknown element

[lime forge]

Flying does this alone. It doesn’t matter how fast you’re going.

[tropic forge]

hell no pvp is for thief's to grab other's ppl grind so they dont have to

[mortal kestrel]

I personally dont want direct speed improvements myself, its lazy and boring

I'd prefer improvements to momentum and inertia, and hell, maybe even hidden mechanics like wall running that can only be performed if you can build up the appropriate momentum and inertia

this could translate to wingsuits as well, to make glide suits funner

[blissful perch]

A standard speed for each creature solves a lot of balance problems with PvE

[bold juniper]

Yeah but in order to do so they kinda gotta grind

[mint swan]

We need improved travel mechanics in Ark 2. Walking/Sprinting accross a larger map will just get boring

[mortal kestrel]

that is confirmed

parkour is getting added to arkII

[lime forge]

See I like to be speedy. Everything being the same speed as everything else just turns me off.

[astral token]

Speed should be a random stat like the others, but immutable post tame

[minor prism]

They tried with biome teleportation but do you really like it though 🤔

[bold juniper]

The problem is that it was the only way to travel booms

[lime forge]

I kinda like that

[mint swan]

Biome tele 🤮

[lime forge]

But I wanna be able to increase speed

[astral token]

I like how 1 reaction is vomiting and the other is 100 💀

[mint swan]

I love teleporting to a different biome and immediately getting attacked while the game is still loading 👍

[lime forge]

Me and shifter disagree on a few key points haha

[astral token]

A very polarising topic

[naive junco]

hmm. Imagine if there was a "Jump height" upgradable stat

[mortal kestrel]

I love being speedy too

you're talking to someone who feels too slow unless my movement speed is above 600%

but thats because arkI isnt very engaging in terms of travel and combat, and I still find the fact that I can just improve my base moment speed without mechanics to maintain it to be rather brain dead and effortless

[blissful perch]

One reaction considered what happens when you consolidate said speed stat into a line, the one is a 100

[mortal kestrel]

momentum would translate into that

naturally the more momentum one can generate, the higher and further they could jump

[thick moat]

hey there's a skill tree with passive and active abilities, there may be a lot of variety

[lime forge]

Ark 1 speed increases are busted. They go way to high. I don’t want anything near that.

[mortal kestrel]

yes

[tropic forge]

wonder if wc gonna make dinos need to drink 🤣

[bold juniper]

Agreed I shouldn’t be outrunning a raptor

[lime forge]

No. Not at all

[thick moat]

I have a feeling they will

[bold juniper]

Humans are a relatively slow thing

We live because we think not run

[lime forge]

But like a 15-20% increase is enough to make a notable difference and still not break the game

[bold juniper]

Fair enough

[lime forge]

Ark 1 you can increase it until you can outrun anything

[mortal kestrel]

thats why i say I dont want direct speed increases

I want mechanics that let me build momentum, and maybe have my moment affected by inertia to allow for some badass slides and whatnot

building momentum, like the direbear run or rhino charge basically... so you as the player start out slow, but the further and "better" you run, the faster you get over time

[bold juniper]

180 movement out runs everything

[thick moat]

yeah that type of speed makes the game easier and more simple than it should be

[mortal kestrel]

its a great travel solution while also making it harder for the player to just instantly run from threats, so it would be considerably more balanced than arks current movement speed mechanics

[lime forge]

I would also like momentum mechanics.

I’m expecting something close with parkour.

[bold juniper]

Till you run into a wall and ko yourself

[lime forge]

Has anyone here played the new WoW expac?

[mortal kestrel]

also, just imagine running like a crazy person, and then doing stuff like sliding under branches, or hell even under dinosaurs to get highspeed slashes at their exposed bellies

[timid raptor]

pff on unofficial we roll 300 movement 😛

[lime forge]

It has a new flying mechanic that’s really good

[mortal kestrel]

ark really needs speed to factor into its damage value

[blissful perch]

Human’s greatest strength IS running, but endurance rather than top speed

[bold juniper]

Outrunning tek turret shots

[astral token]

Sweating OP 😎

[bold juniper]

Our greasers strength is our tool usage

[lime forge]

I don’t think running is the reason we’re top of the food chain

I’m with bird on this

[mortal kestrel]

it definitely isnt

or cheetahs would be top of the food chain

[bold juniper]

We are hella slow

[lime forge]

It’s for sure intelligence

[fair pasture]

it defo isnt, but its a mayor factor for our early survival

[blissful perch]

It’s one of our two major traits that got us to the top yes

[thick moat]

i remember a convo like this months ago lol

very similar hahaah

[bold juniper]

Against that’s endurance not running

[blissful perch]

Tool use/communication and the ability to keep chasing prey until they got exhausted

[timid raptor]

yeah this is downside where you need MORE turrets to be able to counter rocket running. gotta overwhelm to point cant survive long enough

[mortal kestrel]

time for me to run all the way across the map

because sweat

[lime forge]

Yeah WC hasn’t given us much to talk about so we circle back a lot

[bold juniper]

You should try swamp cave fjordur

That swimming part is mean af

[lime forge]

Give it 20 minutes and we’re gonna be talking about breeding. Bet.

[thick moat]

yeah it's interesting still

[fair pasture]

always.

[timid raptor]

im done with ark1 pvp, ive raided and owned snow north, felt like a time to move on moment. drama too much of a turn off

[bold juniper]

Op that reminds me that wild Dino’s should have stamina

[bold juniper]

Nah nah defending swamp fjordur is just fun

[lime forge]

Same. I actually sleep now, it’s fucking life changing

[mortal kestrel]

more like 20 seconds

I want breeding to be for cosmetic purposes and imprinting only (beyond obviously getting more tames) I dont want to randomly have op dinos because they got down and dirty in a metal box for a year

[naive junco]

Do you think the herbivore/carnivore ratio should be more balanced since they are no longer controlled by the Ark system?

[timid raptor]

yeah and not having stress of obligation to login 'i might be getting raided' lol

[lime forge]

Plus I got some Belgian dude in the tribe doing all the work. It’s beautiful!

[thick moat]

don't they do sometimes run out of stam, it's really weird, there are times where they start walking

[lime forge]

@split dove

[blissful perch]

I want less creature density in general

[timid raptor]

so the belgian dude is carrying your tribe now

[bold juniper]

Lol

[mortal kestrel]

no, because they are still controlled by a system similar to the arks, in a way

[blissful perch]

Make each kill feel like it matters, and make your interactions with wildlife meaningful

[split dove]

🖕

[lime forge]

I did this in my personal world last week, cut it in half and I like it a lot.

[astral token]

Guns need to be the top tier

[tropic forge]

dinos have infinite stam as long you dont ride them

[mortal kestrel]

more specifically, the eden ring, while malfunct, is still operational and is actively creating dinosaurs, but is no longer regulating them

[bold juniper]

Have Dino corpse decay so people can track you through your killing spree

[astral token]

And a longneck should 1 shot any dino based on where its hit

[blissful perch]

*except velos

[thick moat]

yeah I know, its just that sometimes wild dinos just start walking slow as if they are out of stam

[mortal kestrel]

so if anything, we should see something like horizon zero dawn, where over time dinos get made more and more dangerous and aggressive

[fair pasture]

thats AI being stupid.

[bold juniper]

It depends on ai

[astral token]

^^

[blissful perch]

We have no idea how that works to such a massive degree I’m gonna hit you with a 🤡

[astral token]

Horizon is the fucking best of open world survival in the market rn

It’s more of a RPG

But still

[mortal kestrel]

as a slime, I am completely immune to your clown

[lime forge]

That’s a bold statement

[thick moat]

i want to play horizon 2 so baaad

[mortal kestrel]

makeup doesnt stick, being slime and all that

[timid raptor]

add dinosaur aging so you gotta cull the area routinely or if they stay alive long enough they get wiser and stronger and harder to kill

[astral token]

Name 1 better

[bold juniper]

Your not immune to my flamethrower mwuhahahahahha

[lime forge]

I’ve never played it

[mortal kestrel]

you misspelled handholding simulator

[thick moat]

what

[astral token]

Horizon 2 is easier than Horizon 1

But it develops other aspects in a good way

[bold juniper]

Just play the sims

[tropic forge]

maybe avatar seems gonna be dope

[astral token]

Frontiers of Pandora is a myth

[lime forge]

Avatar?

[mortal kestrel]

aloy in horizon forbidden west just

doesnt
shut
up

and basically tells you how to do everything before you can even think about how to do it

[astral token]

Like ARK II

Both of them are myths

[lime forge]

Movies turned games have a history of being booty

[thick moat]

yikes

[mortal kestrel]

besides, the game might as well have come from ubisoft from how cookie cutter it feels in terms of content

[astral token]

U can create artificial difficulty for urself

Like a Pokemon nuzlocke run

[mortal kestrel]

thats just a bandaid patch to a bigger problem that doesnt even address the core issue

[astral token]

A game being easy isn’t an issue, the plot, combat mechanics r all improved

So what more u want?

[blissful perch]

Extra hard like HZD 1

[astral token]

U can always play a game as hardcore as u wish

[lime forge]

Wtf is horizon zero dawn

[astral token]

One of the games of all time

[mortal kestrel]

bruh no one even said anything about difficulty, and it shows how shallow your thinking goes that you equate what I said with just pure game difficulty

[tropic forge]

one of the best stories i have ever had on a game

[mortal kestrel]

^

[astral token]

Then elaborate what ur problem is

U didn’t say anything else for me to go off of

[lime forge]

I’m gonna buy it right meow

[astral token]

I will shoot if I see a target, be it in the dark

[astral token]

5 days ago u would’ve saved 67%

[lime forge]

Idgaf

[astral token]

Rich ppl owo

[lime forge]

I’d have pissed away that 12$ one way or the other lol

[astral token]

☠️

[mortal kestrel]

my problem, beyond aloy again telling you everything you need to do before you can even start trying to do it, is that the game design is "safe"

go raid this outpost, go get this collectable.. just [insert any ubisoft game here, literally if you've played one then you've played them all]... horizon is carried by its good story, music, and feeling of combat... the gameplay itself is boring and uninspiring

[astral token]

What would you have done differently?

[mortal kestrel]

wildcard, whatever you do, dont make arkII like a cookie cutter ubisoft game

nothing revolutionary about them

[tropic forge]

forbbiden west got like that? ufff

[timid raptor]

well i think its too late to give them any feedback on what not to do, the game is what it is at this point 😛

[mortal kestrel]

I have one game in particular that I would like to introduce you to that describes it perfectly

elden ring

[blissful perch]

HZD knocked it out of the park, if HZD 2 is the same that’s still a win

[bold juniper]

Well if you’ve played Conan the game tells you so little as to what to do

[blissful perch]

Ark 1 had numerous holes, and ark 2 imo needs to go a new direction to move the series forward

[mortal kestrel]

I have yeah

[astral token]

Didn’t play it so elaborate

[mortal kestrel]

I do agree

[bold juniper]

Like I just recently learned to make bread after 3 years

[blissful perch]

Ew elden ring

[timid raptor]

i seriously doubt they are gonna change ark2 much from the open world sandbox feel. dont mess with what was successful

[fair pasture]

i rly hope they dont.. i beg they dont kill the ark 1 vibe

[astral token]

I dislike Elden Ring bcz it’s pulling that sussy guy GRRM from finishing GoT

[mortal kestrel]

as i am terrible with words, youtube does it better than I

but Im not referring to the whole dark souls thing, more so the design of the open world... elden ring quite literally throws you into it and your experience depends entirely upon how much attention you pay to your surroundings... the game shows, it doesnt tell, so to speak

[astral token]

He’s gonna die at this rate

[tropic forge]

i give up on elden ring after i kill malenia

[blissful perch]

Which left the world empty feeling and left the player confused and uninspired

[astral token]

insert desk bashing gif here

Exactly

[timid raptor]

rebuilding ark1 on a new engine, new combat system, replacing the individual components of the game with modern redesigned approaches, redesigning world design schemes to support smoother map transitioning and server performance like they did with Atlas. all valid things to do for a 2.0 game and still keep similar base design

i do hope they take the atlas system and polish it more and use that

[blissful perch]

Breath of the wild had a much better open world. Some nebulous objectives to move towards at your own pace that were very clearly directing players to slowly make their way to them

[astral token]

Do wtf u want no guide at all is extremely meh and so Hardcore Gamery

[blissful perch]

Not even, it’s just hard core sandboxy

[timid raptor]

you dont play sandbox games for linear progression

[mortal kestrel]

I feel the horizon games would be infinitely more interesting if the player was mostly left to their own devices

sure, there should be some guidance so they can piece together what is going on

but it shouldnt be whatever hand holding mess HFW is

[astral token]

Yea but the average gamer ain’t got hours to figure out what to do next

[tropic forge]

not happening, look at other snail games, dark and light had huge potential its abandonware

[blissful perch]

No, but you also don’t play games that have no point to them

[astral token]

Go here isn’t exactly a handholding measure

[bold juniper]

Looks at league of legends

[blissful perch]

Players need direction, even if it’s loose like in a sandbox

[timid raptor]

sandbox, creativity, exploration is big things for many. look at No mans sky.

[mortal kestrel]

your first mistake is looking at snail games

fuck snail

[astral token]

It’s just like this is where the next thing happens

[blissful perch]

I know you’re joking but some folks here won’t see it as one so I’ll say LoL has a very clear objective

[lime forge]

Yeah duck snail

[astral token]

Visit here when u want to move on

[mortal kestrel]

wildcard would highkey be better off without snail

[blissful perch]

That game has an objective. An insanely clear one. Get to the center of the universe

[split dove]

''stomps every snail in sight''

[tropic forge]

yet they own wc

[lime forge]

Flobs just creepin

[split dove]

🍷

[lime forge]

I did that Dino wipe with todays reset you got them spino sails yet

[bold juniper]

We’ve been discussing for over an hour now

[split dove]

ain't been on yet

[mortal kestrel]

doesnt make them any better

[lime forge]

Slacker

[mint swan]

One thousand fucking percent this.

[split dove]

''i carry my tribe'' by doing a dino wipe and letting flobs do everything

[tropic forge]

it dosent but wc cant do much whitout their saying

[mortal kestrel]

there was a story released recently where snail has been literally abusing their power to go in and unfairly banning players for no reason

[lime forge]

Let’s all pitch in and buy WC from snail

[bold juniper]

I bought ark does that count

[mortal kestrel]

on official servers

[astral token]

I said it before and will say it again, you can’t buy something that’s not for sale

[lime forge]

5k each from every Ark player should do it

[astral token]

Snail will not sell

[bold juniper]

New objective buy snail games

[timid raptor]

dunno what snail has to do with what i said about atlas, atlas orig was forked off from ark1 as a mod, it was essentially ark1.5, and they designed a different server transfer system with the grid system.

From a technical perspective, this is a good design for horizontal scaling, its more flexible, it lets you have smaller individual chunks with load distributed over multiple cpu cores.

just atlas's impl was rough and buggy. The principle idea is what im saying I hope they continue into ark2 and just stabilize and polish it.

[astral token]

It’s their only money making venture

They will go under if they sell ARK

[mortal kestrel]

the only reason why atlas exists as it does is because of snail

[tropic forge]

i sough something about a new network whit micro-transaction they were suppose to release this year

[lime forge]

We wave 240m in their faces they’ll sell

[mortal kestrel]

I sincerely doubt that would go over well

[bold juniper]

You know what, just have vin buy ark

[split dove]

or we convince microsoft to buy them out

[astral token]

The power of family

[bold juniper]

That’s almost worse

[split dove]

better than snail at least

[astral token]

We r yet to see Microsoft’s gaming direction fully

[bold juniper]

Yeah but rather just have vin diesel buy snail games

[timid raptor]

so wait who is snail, i thought atlas was ran by grapeshot, where does snail come in

[mortal kestrel]

true

we do know microsoft is at least interested in ark, considering arkII will be launching exclusively on microsoft platforms

[tropic forge]

ho snail aint give up their golden eggs so easily since ark its only game that still makes money for them

[lime forge]

I wish Vin was in server so we could ping him

[astral token]

No company or business is your knight in shining armour ^^

Every company exists to make money

[bold juniper]

I bet he is just disguised

[astral token]

To generate profits

[mortal kestrel]

grapeshot is a fork of wildcard

wildcard is owned by snail games, who publishes all of their games

[timid raptor]

oh so snails just higher up the corp ladder

[south lance]

ya

[astral token]

Even Wildcard exists to make money

[mint swan]

unfortunately

[south lance]

wc is the main moneymaker for snail tho

so the power isnt quite so imbalanced

[mortal kestrel]

snail is also just a failure of a company tbh, and is being carried by wildcard

dark and light, atlas, pixark... all failures

[tropic forge]

ear pixark is doing fine

[mortal kestrel]

nah

[mint swan]

Ark park? Hows that these days

I wouldn’t say pixark is a failure

Its pretty good

[bold juniper]

That’s like sayingninja kiwis sas4 is a failure

[mint swan]

Sorry?

[bold juniper]

You know ninja kiwi, makers of BTD

[mortal kestrel]

pixark has only ever peaked at 14k concurrent players

nowadays its has only has an average of 300, game is basically dead

[timid raptor]

i wonder if atlas has gotten better in past year, i enjoyed it for a while but it was a freaking buggy mess, but the new dev team was trying to turn things around. but yeah its def on lifesupport, felt like they had maybe 2-3 devs at max working on it.

[mint swan]

Oh

[bold juniper]

Where do you see active player count at

[blissful perch]

It’s weird to use CCU as a metric if the sales recouped the development costs

[mortal kestrel]

steam charts

[blissful perch]

Unless for some horrendous reason pixark has official servers

[mortal kestrel]

it does

[bold juniper]

Isn’t Pixarkon mobile?

[tropic forge]

nope

[mortal kestrel]

pixark is a steam game

[mint swan]

Yes

[tropic forge]

its ark but minecraft style

[blissful perch]

I retract my statement. Circus move award goes to pixark

[mortal kestrel]

yes

[bold juniper]

Your too powerful

[mortal kestrel]

the sad part is that pixark could have genuinely been good

[fallow niche]

Another reminder to move non ark 2 stuff to the other channels

[mortal kestrel]

hey its related to arkII

we are discussing what wildcard shouldnt do with arkII

[south lance]

rename ark2 chat to game design

[mortal kestrel]

by using other games as a reference

[bold juniper]

Do you read the whole thing? Because this is mostly talk about the development of ark2 and I’m how it could go compared to other games made by the same company

[mortal kestrel]

because we have literally talked about more or less everything that could be talked about with arkII

at least twice

[bold juniper]

Thrice really

[blissful perch]

We talked the information we got to death basically so we’re discussing broader design and business practice as it pertains to ark 2

[timid raptor]

not like theres new material to discuss anyways

[mortal kestrel]

mhmm

[blissful perch]

Not sure what else to productively use this chat for tbh

[bold juniper]

We can make it like the ark animated series chat and only post vin diesel

[mortal kestrel]

[blissful perch]

I guess I can spout rumors and nonsense here. If I vary the text I copy pasta I won’t get my messages deleted

But that seems hilariously stupid and non productive

[mortal kestrel]

lmao

[bold juniper]

Diabolical

[mortal kestrel]

Im with shifter on that

[bold juniper]

Just post vin diesel

[mortal kestrel]

[bold juniper]

[timid raptor]

start a rumour ark2 will be on the unreleased UE6 see if the devs reshare that.

[tropic forge]

just name a clickbait youtuber so new ppl start coming here asking questions

[bold juniper]

This emoji is a perfect representation of everyone’s feelings of being left in the dark

[split dove]

[blissful perch]

Why do that? I can make the misinformation right here in my noggin 🧠

[bold juniper]

[lime forge]

It doesn’t touch on my anger enough

[split dove]

this one fits better

[bold juniper]

This is ark 2

We gotta have vin to be on topic

[timid raptor]

that is one thing i liked about the atlas discord, weirdbeard was very open and transparent and talked about tons of his future ideas

[mortal kestrel]

nah, isnt bald

[bold juniper]

[lime forge]

🥪

[ionic meteor]

[bold juniper]

[blissful perch]

Point being, business and development of similar games or other games published under the ark IP seems pretty ark 2 relevant given again we only have a small amount of broad information about the actual game

[bold juniper]

👍

[tropic forge]

[blissful perch]

And it’s far superior to the “on topic” conversations about rumors that are dull and repetitive

[lime forge]

I wouldn’t even consider it broad

[bold juniper]

Ahh we’ve devolved, only post vin till more info is given

[lime forge]

[mortal kestrel]

spitting fax 📠

[bold juniper]

[mortal kestrel]

[bold juniper]

❤️

[lime forge]

🫡

[bold juniper]

[mortal kestrel]

😏

[bold juniper]

😂

[astral token]

Rename to :familygone:

[bold juniper]

[tropic forge]

❤️ 🥚

[lime forge]

mods face when they see Ark 2 chat next

[mortal kestrel]

vindieago emote when

[blissful perch]

I’m curious if the emoji spam is seen as more on topic than our conversation was

[bold juniper]

[mortal kestrel]

same

[lime forge]

Judging by the animated channel. Yes.

[bold juniper]

That’s what we’re testing

[lime forge]

[mortal kestrel]

[lime forge]

[bold juniper]

[lime forge]

Vin deserves this way more than bob

[winged dome]

No talk, only VinDiago

[mortal kestrel]

sippiago

[bold juniper]

[tropic forge]

clone wars

[split dove]

[bold juniper]

We need a vin diesel forest titan emote, griot

[timid raptor]

so this mod.io is it purely a mod distribution platform and the individuals games mods are still their own languages/frameworks? When I first heard it I thought it was an framework for building mods too to help with how they apply on consoles.

Curious how gonna pull off mods on xbox if they end up running native code. I expected ms to not allow native code and thought mod.io maybe provided a scripted language mod framework which ms would be more tolerant of.

[lime forge]

Vintiago* you come to our channel, you spell his name right

[bold juniper]

[mortal kestrel]

vindieago*

[bold juniper]

[lime forge]

We should go to war with the bob channel

[bold juniper]

YES

[lime forge]

Hahaha

[mortal kestrel]

fail

[bold juniper]

Four emojis at a time is the limit

[mortal kestrel]

[bold juniper]

[lime forge]

There’s no rules!

Put your shirt on!

There’s one rule!

[bold juniper]

[thick moat]

YES

[lime forge]

[thick moat]

[mortal kestrel]

[split dove]

🖕

[blissful perch]

Cm’ere Bob, we’re practicing civil disobedience

[thick moat]

lezduit

[lime forge]

Dollies gonna see this and be like “Ced we need to give them something, this can’t be healthy”

[mortal kestrel]

Im surprised mods havent looked in here yet

[lime forge]

[blissful perch]

They have, it’s on topic tho

[mortal kestrel]

yeah its definitely on topic

[lime forge]

[winged dome]

Anything is on topic if you include an Ark2 emote

[mint swan]

[thick moat]

[lime forge]

[mortal kestrel]

😏

[lime forge]

[tropic forge]

❤️ 🥚

[mortal kestrel]

imma start a revolution inside of a revolution

its all meeka, always has been

[lime forge]

[split dove]

so we just gotta go as ''sane'' as official players in this chat to bring attention to it

[lime forge]

[tropic forge]

🪓 🌴

[visual canopy]

🤜🦖

[bold juniper]

Family

❤️

[tropic forge]

👪

[split dove]

🧌 🪓

[south lance]

the meeka will inherit arat

[bold juniper]

Listen

[split dove]

ark 2 lore in 3 emoji

[bold juniper]

I wanna play as an aratai

😂

[lime forge]

[south lance]

just taxidermy one and wear it

[lime forge]

No words

[visual canopy]

🧌🦖

[bold juniper]

🧌

[south lance]

[split dove]

🧁

the cupcake incident

[bold juniper]

I think bob and Santiago would be friends

[lime forge]

🖕

🥪

[mortal kestrel]

yus

[tough bolt]

[lime forge]

🖕

[mint swan]

[dry jetty]

could we see something at the Xbox show on the 25th?

[astral token]

Maybe

[lime forge]

[tough bolt]

[past wind]

Unless WC says something, don’t count on that

This weeks CC might bring that info

[lime forge]

No words

[split dove]

this weeks Child Capture? 👀
good thing i'm no child

[past wind]

Yes

[bold juniper]

Not enough vin diesels

[lime forge]

🥪

[split dove]

🧌 🪓

[blissful river]

[potent hull]

i win

card game with icons lol

[brittle hazel]

I feel ark2 is gonna be 2024-2025 release…

[astral token]

Emoji spam ftw? 😂

[potent hull]

don t for get it is coming out in Early access

[brittle hazel]

Which means most likely everything in early access will become legacy content like it was for ark 1