ark-2

[blissful perch]

You can also have that sense of permanence in personal/SP servers

Official just needs to clean slate every X months/years to purge things

[thick moat]

dats true

[lunar whale]

Very true.

[past wind]

I understand your assertions here, but I’m not sure this would be a popular decision. Ark already has/had servers with constant wipes: Arkpocalypse and beginner servers

And those aren’t popular

I think we just need more environmental threats

You know when we, pvp players, used to build boats to store safely out stuff and they brought Leeds to the game?! Things like that, but for the land bases, would help I guess

I mean, I’ve talked about Aratai raiding bases in here

[blissful perch]

Arkpoc is very popular isn’t it?

It just ebbs and flows as folks leave before a wipe and come in droves right after one

[past wind]

Not that I know of

I think it’s ok to have seasons while on early-access, but after that, I don’t know…

[lime forge]

I would say Arkpoc is popular. Go look at the server population

[past wind]

I like the way it is now, but maybe creating environmental threats to the older/larger tribes, if possible, would be awesome

[past wind]

Ok, I stand corrected

[warped hamlet]

If ark 2 comes out is there any guarantee the original good YouTubers will come back? Like kishko and his tribes

[past wind]

Of course not 🤣

People will come if they like it

[mint swan]

how would we, some mortals in the ark discord server know?

[warped hamlet]

I hope in this game they fix the bugs that made the pvp just get bad

[past wind]

I’m sure WC is doing their best

[warped hamlet]

Yeah I am aware, they juggle new maps and updates it must be EXTREMELY difficult, I am still not aware how they do it, in the 2 years they develop a new entire game and new maps and updates

[mint swan]

it will be a totally different game, nothing gets "fixed", nor do we know if it gets improved. everything will just get a rework

[warped hamlet]

Damm

[past wind]

True, but I’m sure the new mechanics, new engine, new map etc are aimed to avoid old issues. Like mesh holes, map exploits etc.

[little yarrow]

Don’t waste your time buying ark 2

[mint swan]

see the thing is with games, different types of games will face different issues. mesh holes are not common in more focussed rpgs, but are very common in mmo's

[mint swan]

why waste time? buying takes at max a minute

[past wind]

Don’t waste your time trying to convince people in the ark 2 channel 🤣

[little yarrow]

If they couldn’t fix ark 1 what’s to say they would with ark 2 it’s the same everything just a continued story meshing will still be thing duping will as well

[blissful perch]

That’s a valid risk. I’d recommend buying after seeing some gameplay or seeing how week one goes

[past wind]

True, agreed. My point is, they are developing from the ground up, knowing the issues and looking for solutions. There’s a big chance of improvements.

[mint swan]

no logic is following in this. why do you think they make a second game? to recreate glitches? they have been focussing so hard on ark II, focussing on ark I is just a waste of time. + like i said, mesh holes are very rare in rpg focussed

if Ark II is just a few months away, why create fixes for bugs

[blissful perch]

Exploiting is gonna happen 100% of the time

[mint swan]

in what games bugs are not taken advantage of?

[past wind]

All online games have exploitable features.

[warped hamlet]

That’s a worry of mine, the graphics might be a bit too good for my humble old pc, though I am upgrading it

[blissful perch]

Correct, so it’s a valid worry for ark 2 to have exploits 😂

The question is WHAT exploits will there be, how bad will they be, and how will they alter gameplay? And when will they be fixed

[past wind]

It’s a non issue as all games have it. The real question is if they will be manageable

[mint swan]

invalid to just decide to not buy a game based on some worries

[blissful perch]

Ark PvP is riddled with cheating and exploiting, so if that pushed you away from ark 1 I can see that pushing you away from ark 2

[warped hamlet]

That’s what pushed my tribe but me away

[mint swan]

see, pokemon scarlet released, full of bugs. so thats a valid reason not to buy it/not buy it yet. but we have seen no Ark II reviews from people who played it, so you just cant say: "i wont buy it because it might have bugs"

[past wind]

What is funny to me is, people are dooming ark 2 and praising buggy ark 1🤣

[mint swan]

black market of ark scares me how much money those people are talking about

[blissful perch]

Yea that’s hypocrisy to me lol. But some folks are just concerned ark 1 and ark 2 will have similar issues

[split dove]

it's going in reverse mode for them

[warped hamlet]

Used to play ps4 ark, guy meshed turrets on the entersnces to our rathole, it was probably our fault because it’s the worst rathole it could be (valguero blue ob) they quit after that, now I just go solo in smalls

Hopefully I can drag them back, even if it’s just to PvE ark 2

[past wind]

Sure it’s valid to be concerned, but amazes me there are more people asking for Ark: Remastered version than those willing to see Ark 2 released 🤣

Ark 1 isn’t fixable, IMO

[warped hamlet]

Nah there’s too many maps and bugs to fix

[blissful perch]

You could rebuild ark 1 from the ground up and remaster it. I wouldn’t do it lol but it’s possible

[split dove]

tell that to the delusional people coping thinking it will ever happen

[past wind]

I know

[split dove]

oh wait, they won't acknowledge the truth 😂

[warped hamlet]

See I am restarting and hoping it gets minor fixes but I know it won’t, I just wait for ark 2

[past wind]

In that case it wouldn’t be a remaster

[mint swan]

i sometimes want to strangle communities by how idiotic they act.
somebody says something that MIGHT happen
everyone else hears that, spreads it
then, the rumour spreads and people start talking about it like its a fact

[blissful perch]

…that’s definitionally a remaster

[split dove]

*** ahem Loadedcrysis***

[blissful perch]

It’s the same game being redone and rereleased

[past wind]

If you build from the ground up, it’s a new game…

[warped hamlet]

Yeah it annoys me, I was watching some good YouTube old ones and people are saying “kishko died and his parents didn’t know he had a yt”

[mint swan]

no? lmao, a remastered game is the same game, just better coding

[blissful perch]

^or just newer in some cases where devs are lazy 😂

[past wind]

If you build it from the ground up, it’s new game

[warped hamlet]

Yeah

[blissful perch]

What’s done under the hood has no impact on a game being a remaster or not

[warped hamlet]

From scratch no code maybe assets but no code

[blissful perch]

A remaster is entirely dictated by “is this the same game”

Which it 100% is if it’s intellectually identical

[past wind]

By definition, it wouldn’t be a remaster, but it’s their game, they can call it the way they want 🤣

[mint swan]

if thats the case, its either a modern thing or i am lost

[blissful perch]

Most remasters are exactly what I’m describing, because who would buy a game that’s a remaster without major changes to what’s under the hood 😂

Many remasters are games that are rebuilt for new code bases (example being a new console)

[split dove]

ark 1 remasterd, but we decided to add a new credits song performed by big Vin himself

[mint swan]

if nintendo would build a game about an italian plumber who collects coins and stumps on enemies to save his crush from turtles, would that be a new game?

[split dove]

see it's different shifter, not a exact 1 to 1

[blissful perch]

*the same game but for a new platform

[past wind]

Yes, of course lol

Or they would be calling Mario remaster of remaster of the remastered version

It’s just a new Mario game

[mint swan]

Remaster: A remaster is a type of port where the original game is updated to work on newer systems and with better performance. The developer uses most of the original code (if they can) and usually just improves the textures and framerates but keeps the game mostly intact otherwise.

aight mb

[past wind]

But if you take old assets, work on them and improve image, sound etc. it’s a remaster

[past wind]

That’s a remaster indeed

[blissful perch]

So to remaster ark 1 you junk 99.9% of ark 1 code, thus basically rebuilding it

[past wind]

It’s not made from the ground up

[blissful perch]

Therefore it’s practically from the ground

[mint swan]

other resources talk about starting from scratch though

[quaint horizon]

Golden joystick awards today

[past wind]

Oh boy ok

I give up 🤣

[quaint horizon]

I forgot about that

[split dove]

if you think ark 2 will be there you got too much hope

[mint swan]

grrr, i am an ark player, but the servers are down so im going to be toxic in the discord >: )

[quaint horizon]

On pcgamer nah won't be on there. Tho it's about consoles. I never have voted. So doubt jt was something to vote on

[blissful perch]

Seeing folks fresh off official is very amusing

[blissful perch]

That’s because they’re both right 😂. It can be either

[split dove]

ark 2 ''was'' on pcgamer in a 10 sec reused trailer clip, best bet for this year is the game awards if they attend this year

[blissful perch]

The super best bet is waiting on the announcements channel 🧠

[civic jungle]

When is ark 2 coming out

[split dove]

2023

[quaint horizon]

Oh I know I was there

[civic jungle]

Damn

[mint swan]

tomorrow

[quaint horizon]

They could win most wanted today

[mint swan]

in #ark-2 is where the cool people are located

[split dove]

and in #general are the ''different'' people

[civic jungle]

Geboren shush

[blissful perch]

General concerns me

[mint swan]

the "dark" side

[quaint horizon]

Let's hope gameshwo awards has gameplay

[mint swan]

it doesnt, during the times ark servers are online its fun with mods, during offline times though...

[split dove]

The dark side of the ark community is a pathway to mentalities others would consider unnatural

[blissful perch]

Maybe we can keep those folks on ark 1

Time to peddle ark 2 rumors to keep the community cleaner

[mint swan]

how can i describe them?

0 sleep
0 hours of being nice
10000 spend on the black market

[scenic agate]

slides into Ark 2

[split dove]

probably better, they seem to love ark 1 more than anything new and complex

[split dove]

and really fluent in chinese from playing official pvp

[blissful perch]

Tell them ark 2 is SP vin only gameplay with a story focus ASAP

[past wind]

是的

[split dove]

we should edit the fan wiki Ark 2 section lol

[mint swan]

typical ark player would learn some dudes native language just to swear towards them

[wintry urchin]

God I hope it's Q1 of 2023 and not Q4

[scenic agate]

I bet on Q4.

[wintry urchin]

Stop

[past wind]

But in ark you see just squares

[wintry urchin]

That's too far man

[past wind]

My bet is q2

[scenic agate]

Woman lol and I was dreaming of playing it this christmas, but oh well....

[mint swan]

i move my pawn to E4

[thick moat]

Yall forgot about the term "remake", if anything ark 1 would be that, not a remaster

it's like the crash bandicoot reboot, it's a completely fresh new game based on the old

[blissful perch]

That really depends on how faithful the new game is to the old one

[scenic agate]

Let's hope it won't be like the crash Bandicoot reboot though.

[blissful perch]

Most rational chatter

[thick moat]

we are talking about ark 1 if it got a remake

not ark 2

[mint swan]

the destroy all humans remake 💀

[blissful perch]

I never played the original and I had fun with the remake

[scenic agate]

Ah,ok. Because I played original crash on PS1 and was not loving the new stuff.

[past wind]

I think an Ark 1 remaster would be converting everything to UE5, but it would be buggy AF

[thick moat]

yeah I just used it as an example of what is a remaster and a remake

[mint swan]

i only played the original 🤣

[scenic agate]

Gotcha.

[thick moat]

nah if they do it, it should be a remake

[past wind]

Converting old assets to a new engine would be a remaster

[thick moat]

ik

im just saying if they decide to make ark 1 again they should make it from scratch (remake)

[mint swan]

opinion no one asked for:

the spiderman remake was not needed

[thick moat]

remember this is the ark 2 channel btw

[past wind]

Oh sure. Agreed. Theres no point in doing a remake of a buggy game (buggy to the point it can be unplayable).

[mint swan]

the general chat scares me

[thick moat]

yup

[mint swan]

here is shifter, so im staying here

[thick moat]

i only talk here ahaha XD

[past wind]

If I were wildcard. I would release a The Island DLC

for ark 2

[scenic agate]

For nostalgia?

[thick moat]

or a mod map

[past wind]

Yes 😂

[thick moat]

I hope it happens, i wanna see the island on UE5

and aberration

aberration is beautiful dudd

best dlc

[mint swan]

would need to wait another 2 years for that to work

[thick moat]

HuHHH?

[blissful perch]

I haven’t chatted anywhere else in years 😂

[mint swan]

i like gen1

[thick moat]

the tping didnt make it for me tbh

[scenic agate]

You're pulling my leg, right?

[blissful perch]

Gen 1 is beautiful, but it’s littered with oof problems

[mint swan]

no, i would rather take your arm

[thick moat]

though biomes look very nice specially bog

[scenic agate]

Arm-a-geddon.

[mint swan]

its confirmed, i am canon in Ark II

[untold totem]

I mean you can recreate them now since most of the Island assets can be bought in the UE store

[blissful perch]

Tbh I should be in ark 2 😂

My hot takes are legendary

[mint swan]

In which month you think Ark 2 will be realesed?

[split dove]

i'm gonna be a npc trader you unlock after burning Vindiagos village to the ground

[split dove]

any month, then i'm always right for the whole year

[thick moat]

june may is my guess

because of the xbox game pass 12 month guarantee that got announced on june of this year

[quaint horizon]

June is a big month for ark and Microsoft.

[thick moat]

yessir

[quaint horizon]

6 times including launch did ark/Microsoft release stuff for ark.

[ripe marsh]

2023, I'm not sure but it is releasing in Early Access

[split dove]

Technically the early access launch is the open beta before the full launch 🧐

[thick moat]

Nah beta is when a game is almost done, early acces is like a middle ground between alpha and beta

[stray elm]

"'Beta' is a standard term to denote a milestone release during production in which game functionality is included and optimised (but may have bugs), game content is finished (but may have some implementation errors), and which is considered nearly complete."

Not a solid definition, but it's defiantly 'not' near the end.

There's a few differences between Early-Access and Beta.
But by the end of the day, they're more or less the same.

[mortal kestrel]

facts

but I'd want a much bigger completely reimagined abby

[thick moat]

yeah but i dont think ark 2 game content will be finished, i think they have a lot more ideas to add, imo for me it slides more into the early acces side of things

[thick moat]

abb is perfect as is, love that map

[mortal kestrel]

they did say arkII would be launching in early access

[mortal kestrel]

I want more glowy tbh

[thick moat]

more glow? wdym

[stray elm]

There's some cut concepts that would've made Aberration better, in my opinion

[mortal kestrel]

^

[mortal kestrel]

bioluminescense

hell, I'd love to see like flourescent rocks and crystals too

[thick moat]

ohhh ik what you mean

[mortal kestrel]

maybe even trees with like crystalized bark and gem leaves

[thick moat]

yeah there are some zones on the blue zone who lack something fr

[thick moat]

i have never seen those concepts

[stray elm]

Like the cut lava-region, or the more grossed, worm-like Rockwell.

At least it wasn't as butchered as Extinction was.

[thick moat]

lava region🧐 ?

[thick moat]

oh yeah didnt they want to make extinction bigger?

because of it being on the earth and all that

[stray elm]

We don't know.
But the wasteland was going to be more then just sand

[thick moat]

yikes

yeah it felt a bit unfinished

[stray elm]

And the cut kaiju that later on became the Stryder

[stray elm]

Thank Atlas for that

[thick moat]

heckin tencent ruining everything

[stray elm]

Tencent?

[thick moat]

they wanted to milk ark so much with pixark, ark park, dark and light using ark code, atlas

[stray elm]

They had nothing to do with ARK

[stray elm]

That's Snail-games

[thick moat]

oh right mb

i forgor💀

[stray elm]

ARK would be much worse if Tencent had their way with it

[thick moat]

still I assume tencent wanted to do all these spin offs

[thick moat]

agree

[stray elm]

Hang on, you mind if I dm you?

[thick moat]

yeah np

[stray elm]

@thick moat Extinction had even more

While you can see Aberration that we got in those concept arts.
They basically scrapped the whole idea of the original Extinction map, though.

[thick moat]

yeah

the fallen obelisk for example

i hate seeing these concept arts that didnt happen because of rushing

[stray elm]

It's in the game though

It was reused for the sunken-forest obelisk.
Though, a bit more lackluster in there then it would've been on Aberration

[thick moat]

yeah that's what im saying

the concept arts for this guy are so damn beautiful

[stray elm]

Oh yeah, they're great

Even the Island was gonna have a mountain range

[thick moat]

yeah im seeing beach concepts too

[stray elm]

This is why I would love a ARK-1 remake.
Either a official one, or a unofficial one made by modders in ARK-2 with Wildcards permission

[thick moat]

damn even obelisk ideas

[thick moat]

I hope this happens someday

all this would of made ark even better

I hope they take all the time they want with ark 2, as long as it releases, there are so much great ideas

[potent hull]

we all got the mad ark 2 news bug we are all ark 2 now lol soon we will see ark 2 next month i hop

and game play

[thick moat]

all I know is family

[potent hull]

bob you got ark 2 new bug your now ark 2 it self no bob gone to us lol jk

[thick moat]

If bob isn't a preset name for ark male character im rioting wildcard

[past wind]

I’m pretty sure it was the standard name in 2015, then they’ve changed to human

[stray elm]

It was.
It still kind of is, cause if I recall, there's like a 1/5 chance that the default name will be 'Bob' when you load into the creation-menu

[untold ingot]

I have never seen it

[tropic crag]

Yeah, ever since the change, I've not seen it even once, and I make a looooot of characters.

So I'ma call bull on that one, chief

[untold ingot]

It might be a small percentage, but it's not 20%

[wintry urchin]

I've made like 50 characters over the last few years, literally always human

[past wind]

Yeah, they’ve changed that. I don’t remember when and why. I liked the Bobs more than the Humans.

[wintry urchin]

It used to be Bob and Jane

Waay back

[spare sphinx]

I've gotten it before, I forgot to take a screenshot though

It definitely still happens but it's probably like 1/100 or 1/1000

[fallow niche]

Back to Ark 2 please

[wanton pike]

Not much to discuss about ark 2 though. Don’t know much about it

[fallow niche]

Then move to another channel, this one is dedicated to ark 2.

[wanton pike]

👀

Will the parasaur make its return in ark 2? Why did you remove the msgs 🤪

[fallow niche]

We only have 7 dinos confirmed. All current official information is in the pinned messages.

[past wind]

7 actually, that I have counted

Rex, raptor, brachio, dodo, lizzard plant, Archeopteryx, ptera

[fallow niche]

Fixed

[past wind]

[stray elm]

8

Aratai's.

[past wind]

what else?

[past wind]

they are like humans

[stray elm]

It still counts as a creature

[past wind]

I wouldn't count as wild beings

[stray elm]

They're 100% wild animals

[past wind]

9 then, humans LOL

[stray elm]

Sure

I wouldn't count the lizard cause it's an alien. But that's just me.

[past wind]

Well, dino is a general concept as I don't think pteras and dodos are dinos I guess

we better say creature/tames I guess

7 creatures/tames

[stray elm]

Creatures is what I've been using

[deep vortex]

How will building be in the next ark

[stray elm]

We kind of don't know, but there's a little bit of information on the steampage

[quaint breach]

So we'll have blueprints?

[winged dome]

For pre-fab structures at least, yeah

[dull stream]

I wish they'd give us a little hope by showing some gameplay, I've resorted to going back to WoW for the time being and that is an all time low for me lol.

[lime forge]

They did say next time they talked about Ark 2 there would be gameplay

[sinful ermine]

If Ark II has a good character creator I will forgive it up to five cardinal sins

[late mango]

Wasn't said everyone thinks so they only said that there will be more stuff for ark 2 soon so it might be gameplay but who knows

[lime forge]

Dollie said gameplay is next

Top pinned post

[sinful ermine]

TBH it all sounds too good to be true. But if they can deliver… Well, than the franchise will have a long and storied legacy.

[thick moat]

You forgot le ankylosaurusus

And even more, parasaur, trike, quetzals... all those where on the final part of the ark 2 trailer

Those cave paintings give quite a bit of info

[stray elm]

The painting doesn't count

Cause it also shows the mega-mek vs the king-titan

The cave-painting is reflecting on the moto of the game.
"Survive the past, tame the future"

[thick moat]

The inner circle refers to ark 2

The outer side is ark 1

The past is outer side, inner future

[lime forge]

That’s all just theorycrafting. Those cave paintings don’t mean anything.

[buoyant ferry]

will ark 2 have pvp?

[elfin pumice]

probably

[tropic crag]

Undoubtedly

[dull lily]

ark designers: Lets do a high quality trailer but put things in there that dont mean anything! absolutely

[lime forge]

Do you honestly think the devs added secret meaning to the cave paintings in their one minute long trailer?

[dull lily]

Bro this company is so sucessfull i really think yes my guy

Good that youre not a designer / dev

[wraith steppe]

when ark2?

[lime forge]

So tell me. What other hidden meanings were offered in the trailer? Perhaps the head of Santiago’s spear represents the future, while the haft represents the past.

Or since the head is made of tek it must represent the past and the wooden haft represents the future. I wonder if the devs intended for the brown color to signify his shitty mood?

WildCard starved us for information for so long the animated series channel devolved into a cult, and the Ark 2 channel is now grasping for hidden meaning in the trailers like it’s some religious scripture.

[elfin pumice]

If the cave had paintings of dinos its very likely that said dinos are in that planet

[boreal comet]

I hope that ark 2 sticks to one map because it always bothered me that in survival evolved wildcard were always focusing on the next map rather than updating the ones they already have.

[elfin pumice]

I want big scary flying alien (not wyvern big)

It could have 2 pairs of wings or something

[elfin pumice]

Same

[elfin pumice]

How would you update a map that has already been published?

[lime forge]

I think he means like fixes and what not

[inland pasture]

Wonder when gameplay will come out

[elfin pumice]

Didnt the island get uptated some time ago?

Some volcano thing

[lime forge]

I’m also hoping for a single map. Have DLCs just expand on it opening up a larger area.

Spit it out already Flobs

[split dove]

North was changed to snow, central became redwoods and the swamp became the swamp

[boreal comet]

"Some time ago" exactly my point. They just don't update the game. It's always new maps.

[grand lynx]

This would be amazing

[elfin pumice]

Its hard to update maps that people have already built on

[boreal comet]

Expand outwards then

[elfin pumice]

If its in the same planet ok but i wouldnt like to have the map look bigger and when i try to go somewhere it just says "you must purchase x dlc to enter area"

[lime forge]

Imagine building a nice little complex on a beautiful open field, and then the next day you log in and you’re in the middle of the redwoods with an active volcano in your back yard.

[elfin pumice]

Exactly

[boreal comet]

Then expand outwards

[split dove]

They atleast gave you time to move outside the affected area, imagine if it wasn't like that

[inland pasture]

You on ps5?

[lime forge]

The map won’t just look bigger it’ll be bigger. You just gotta buy the dlc to open the new area.

[elfin pumice]

Kinda like EA does

[boreal comet]

ps4

[lime forge]

That’s not just EA that’s how DLCs work

[elfin pumice]

"Pay 10€ to acces this snowy biome"

[boreal comet]

I wouldn't mind the idea of dlc opening new areas

But ayleast have the main game all free

[lime forge]

EA would sell the new biome, the new tames, new building pieces all separately.

[elfin pumice]

If theyre clearly separated by like a large body of water or a desert ok but if theyre immediatly by eachother then its a no for me

[lime forge]

So you just don’t want an invisible wall stopping you

[elfin pumice]

Yes

[lime forge]

Yeah that would be ugly

[boreal comet]

Yeah.

[elfin pumice]

In ark 1 it makes sense cause its an ark but not on an alien planet

[lime forge]

I’d definitely prefer like a rock slide or something opening up a passage through a previously impassable mountain range or something.

[boreal comet]

I'm gonna get alot of flak but I hope there's no wyvern or tek either.

[lime forge]

I hope Wyverns make the cut

I just want them nerfed

Not gone

[elfin pumice]

So on multiplayer you see ppl just going through a mountain?

[split dove]

Being dead is a big nerf

[boreal comet]

The problem with wyvern is that they make the game too easy

[lime forge]

Literally nerfed into the ground

[lime forge]

I’d rather people without the dlc don’t even play with me

[boreal comet]

I also hope there's no host tether distance on local

[elfin pumice]

So each cluster has 50 servers with all the possible dlc combos?

[lime forge]

That seems highly unnecessary. But I don’t really care how they chose to execute it. There’s more than one way to skin a cat.

[boreal comet]

Hated having to rent a server for my friends just to nullify that.

[lime forge]

Yeah. Tether is the reason I ended starting my own private cluster.

That makes for terrible gameplay

[iron sequoia]

Lmfao

[split dove]

Am I wrong tho?

[iron sequoia]

No definitely not wrong

[boreal comet]

Yeah and there's no excuse for it now since performance can't really be an issue on a new engine and better platforms.

[lime forge]

I mean….with pc yeah no excuse. Idk about consoles.

[boreal comet]

I mean it's only coming to next gen

[lime forge]

I haven’t owned or even looked into consoles in years idk what they’re capable of anymore.

[boreal comet]

Gonna have to play on my pc since PlayStation isn't getting it :/

[split dove]

Not initially on launch

[lime forge]

Invest in that PC and never worry about consoles again man.

Easily one of the best decisions I’ve ever made

[blissful perch]

The only thing consoles still beat PCs at is local coop, and even then it’s slipping

[lime forge]

Lots of games don’t even offer local coop anymore.

[boreal comet]

My pcs better than my ps4 but I just used my ps4 for more ease of use, but ps4s on the brink of being put behind so i should start using it mainly.

[blissful perch]

I’m curious if tethering will still be required on local simply because ark 2 is so dang massive that most folks hardware will combust if it’s running the server and client

[lime forge]

How dang massive is it?

And how do you know these things?

[blissful perch]

Get WC to hire me and I’ll tell you 🧠

[boreal comet]

I mean they have Microsofts budget and literacy no other game has something dumb like that so I doubt it'll be back.

[blissful perch]

Many other games of the scale of ark 2 don’t offer singleplayer or hosting of servers and client

Unless I missed a step and there are folks who host the entirety of WoW on a home PC? I could have missed that step…

[thick moat]

well no shit it's theorycrafting, and those cave paintings definetly mean something, why tf there would be a circle englobing a bunch of primitive dinos while the outer side has the king titan and mega mek, im sure those dinos will appear on the game.

[lime forge]

Bro don’t be mad

[thick moat]

oh dont start with the "DoNt BE MaD" by the way I typed lmao

[lime forge]

I’m sorry I blew up

[thick moat]

[tough bolt]

Still no gameplay :((

[thick moat]

Remember The Game Awards MAY have gameplay, we'll for sure know if the last Community Crunch before 8th of December mentions something

[past wind]

You mad bro?

[past wind]

You can’t run all the Atlas grids on a common home pc

Let me say I think Atlas going UE5 soon will be a nice preview of Ark 2

[thick moat]

WAHHH im going psycho mode be careful

[tough bolt]

Oh yeah

[blissful perch]

Concur

[sinful ermine]

I wonder if the Aratai will tame Dinos, or just native fauna, and conversely, whether or not we will be able to tame the native life forms on Arat

[split dove]

the steam page description does say that they will attack us with their own tamed creatures, whether that's native life or also dinos is still a mystery atm

[winged dome]

The creatures bred through the Arks and assumedly Genesis were genetically engineered to be susceptible to domestication, so I bet the Aratai get both native and foreign critters in some respect

[blissful perch]

I’m gonna guess lore will not decide what Aratai can ride

It’s gonna boil down to AI design and how it looks and feels for immersion to fight certain mounted Aratai

[next pelican]

Alternatively theyll pull a genesis and just have a gang of 400 arati riding parasaurs

[sinful ermine]

You know what really annoyed me the most about boss fights in Ark is that the primary deciding factor in what made a mount viable or not viable was it’s drag-weight/how much effect knock-back had on it rather than core stats

There are a lot of creatures that could kill a boss if knock-back didn’t send them flying every time the boss attacked them

[elfin pumice]

If said creature weighs 1/10 of what the boss does of course its gonna go flying

[blissful perch]

the core stats determined 99% of what could be brought

[elfin pumice]

This too

[blissful perch]

which is kinda...lame given you can mutation stack things to have absurd stats

[elfin pumice]

Mut stacking shouldnt make it to ark2 or it should be drasticly reworked

[blissful perch]

your mechanical skill in ark had 5% or less to do with your chances of clearing a boss, and the remaining 95% was the amount of breeding you sat through...and some icing on the cake of farming capped flak

[elfin pumice]

Dont forget about the saddles

[blissful perch]

fine game design for a 2015 RPG/MMO/survival game that was prototyping something new, but I'm not really interested in that for a more modern product

[sinful ermine]

That’s not true though. Mantises out DPS basically everything when properly equipped, but cannot fight bosses because of knock back

One example, of which there are many

[sinful ermine]

“It makes sense” is not always the same as “it’s fun and a good mechanic”

[winged dome]

Not to mention the DPS race against the Dragon that can kill any creature in 5 fire breaths 🙄

[past wind]

I didn’t see anyone commenting that here, but would you like the possibility to create an Aratai character? Like having classes (more RPG).

[sinful ermine]

Huh, seems unlikely. But on the other hand, also a natural fit for PvP

[desert swallow]

Aratai playable confirmed

[desert swallow]

Agreed, should be from upgrades you build for your dinos, saddles, costumes etc

[winged dome]

Playable Aratai? Hope not

[iron sequoia]

Pls no

[stray elm]

Please yes

Recruitable Aratais

[iron sequoia]

I don’t want to grow attached to them
I just want to overtake there planet and wipe them out
Is that too much to ask for

[stray elm]

Yes, cause that sounds like shitty writing.

[past wind]

Are you an average billionaire?

[stray elm]

Basically.

Got the same morals of one.

Elon, is that you?

[iron sequoia]

Lol

[stray elm]

You think we're joking.

[iron sequoia]

You think I’m serious?

[stray elm]

Yes

[ripe cedar]

Judging from history its more like average human

[stray elm]

Average commander*

[ripe cedar]

Average ark player

[stray elm]

Humans are quick to follow orders, even if moral is in play.

[stray elm]

So yeah, like you said. An average ARK player

[iron sequoia]

Lol well I’m not serious

[stray elm]

Yes you are.

[desert swallow]

Send me your personal information.

[stray elm]

693-354-3654

[past wind]

You are done. Don’t even try.

[stray elm]

I should've clarified that humans are quick at following orders from 'higher' authority.

[desert swallow]

Do you know who I am?

[iron sequoia]

“Good soldiers follow orders”

[split dove]

''It will be done my lord''

[stray elm]

"And good people, know when to not"

[past wind]

Well, seeing it’s not so popular to have controllable Aratai. I hope, at least, that the new SOTF will have them if it comes. 🤣

[ripe cedar]

But new sotf is ark 1

Its a remaster

[past wind]

The new new I mean, if it comes one day.

[stray elm]

All I want is to be able to recruit them.
Either in a later update, or later DLC. I can be patient.

[past wind]

I think that has a huge chance if NPCs will be a thing. But I was hoping to be myself an Aratai. 🤣

Like having special buffs when mounting Arat creatures

I think it’s the AVATAR 2 vibe

I want to be a blue Aratai

[ripe cedar]

Nah i’d rather do that with real players

[stray elm]

Didn't ask you

[blissful perch]

If good people died for not following orders they often failed to reproduce 😂

[stray elm]

The point is, some orders like bombing civilian populations shouldn't be followed through by good people.

[blissful perch]

“Good” isn’t always easily defined in the moment

[desert swallow]

It's kind of like the trolley dilemma. If bombing that population to destroy the target will save many more lives then what do you do?

[stray elm]

Most of the time though, it doesn't.
I'd be happy to know any moments in history that bombing civilians was morally good for the better of everyone else.

[blissful perch]

History is told by the winners and is told in hindsight

[desert swallow]

When Luke Skywalker destroyed the death star

[stray elm]

I said 'history' not fiction

[blissful perch]

One could argue the conclusion of WW2

[stray elm]

Japan?

[blissful perch]

And Germany

Both were bombed pretty thoroughly

[stray elm]

Germany I don't know much about.
But Japans situation was extreme.
Even the people that gave the order to drop the fat-man regretted it afterwards.

[blissful perch]

You can regret the right choice. Not to speak on the specifics of that one

[desert swallow]

Most soldiers come back from war with regrets as well.

[stray elm]

That wasn't right though.
America had the raw power to do damage to the military of Japan without literally nuking a city.

[blissful perch]

How could they not? Much like well written Aratai conflict, right and wrong is blurry

[desert swallow]

Well you know how sometimes you can cook something in the oven but it's just quicker to use the microwave. It was like that.

[stray elm]

Are you really comparing cooking to genocide?

[blissful perch]

I’m not sure I would call that genocide

Fighting a war and inflicting heavy blows on your enemy and genocide are not identical

[stray elm]

"the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group"

[desert swallow]

It was a way to quickly end it without more lives being lost, far more than what was killed. Just for the record I don't think a nuke should ever be used again.

[blissful perch]

The aim was to win the war, so by definition not genocide. I hope ark 2 being about survival of the fittest and involving some cool grey area alliances/conflicts would also cleanly fall outside genocide

[desert swallow]

And Japan was the aggressor. Import point to make here.

[stray elm]

Aggressors with planes, not nukes.

[blissful perch]

To say it’s morally clear is imo foolish

[stray elm]

So, bombing civilians is fine if it means victory and the "greater good", no?

[desert swallow]

When Japan attacked they had no idea about Nukes and they weren't ready until near end of war. It was the result of an arms race.

No it's not fine, but war doesn't have easy answers, it's best to avoid war all together.

[stray elm]

I'm more asking Shifter, since he was the one that brought this topic up. (not to be an ass.)

[blissful perch]

To the ones who made that choice, yes. And it was seen as “good” by many. It helps that good and bad are defined by people and not natural laws

There’s no natural law like gravity that applies to morality. It’s human generated and human enforced. We see it change in our culture and history, games like ark 2 acting as snapshots of our current moral system 🤷‍♂️

[stray elm]

So, are the bombing of the Ukrainian civilians morally right?

Or is that different?

[blissful perch]

You want me to answer a modern, ongoing political crisis wearing the hat of WW2 military leaders?

[stray elm]

I was talking about morality in general, not exclusively WW2.

[blissful perch]

I’m saying that no choice of that nature is cut and dry

I provided a counter example to the one you used to defend that morally good choices are always obvious

[stray elm]

In the ARK-2 channel?

[blissful perch]

Where else? If you want to dive deeper into ethics, my DMs are open

[stray elm]

I want nothing to do with what you call 'ethics'

I'm done here.

[blissful perch]

🤷‍♂️ alright. Ethics are almost always more complex than you think is all. I’m curious if Aratai interactions will make some folks face those questions

Or if we’ll just treat them like we do any other hostile alien creature in a video game

[lime forge]

Man I scrolled up really far and still can’t find wtf this has to do with Ark 2.

[sinful ermine]

I think it’s some kind of social commentary on the validity of the human struggle on Arat

Since we’re invaders

Technically

[blissful perch]

That’s correct

The initial question was “is it right that we force land on a planet occupied by sentient natives and replace their ecology while killing them?”

[sinful ermine]

I would say no without any additional context. But did the people who launched the Genesis Ship have any way of knowing Arat had any sapient inhabitants to begin with?

That is an important question.

And it’s also relevant that relations between the two species do not have to default to hostility. That’s a two-party choice.

[blissful perch]

I would say no, since the ship was launched with an AI that intended to FIND a suitable planet, but I differ to lore nerds on that

[blissful perch]

True, I’m not sure who swung the first axe, although the trailer indicates something got hostile pretty dang quick 😂

[past wind]

We will be freedom fighters, ok?!

Also, the fact Arat is full of element and mutagel has nothing do with our interest to finish this tyranny

[sinful ermine]

Wait, it is?

[stray elm]

We don't know.

[past wind]

No, jut trolling

🤣

[lime forge]

I mean they’ve survived the apocalypse and ended up there. Can’t expect them to just lay down and die

[sinful ermine]

Lol

Some people would

[past wind]

This why I want to be an Aratai. I will diplomatically talk with Vindiago and finish this non sense

We have a common enemy, R******L is coming

[thick moat]

Vindiago lmao

[blissful perch]

Diplomacy 100 inbound 😂

[lavish rain]

A

[lavish rain]

Source

[past wind]

I’ve already said I was trolling. I was “justifying” the “invasion”

[rustic oxide]

Trolling is mean and rude and sad and bad dont do it :)

[lavish rain]

I do it all the time

[rustic oxide]

:(

[lime forge]

He does. It’s true.

[blissful perch]

Coherent and tasteful trolling is A+ tier

[blissful perch]

I’d love more mounted siege weapons, but I’m not sure what to do to make them more viable

[untold ingot]

The defenses of bases would have to be significantly more versatile for that to work. Otherwise you cause problems that make bases too easy to offline

[past wind]

I thought about that, it would be really cool actually.

[past wind]

I bet the new defense meta will be largely different from Ark 1

[untold ingot]

I hope it will be. I hate defense in ark1 lol

[mint swan]

is ark 2 mainly pvp?

[untold ingot]

It has pvp, it also has pve. I don't think it is mainly anything yet

[mint swan]

will it be like ark 1 with breeding raising and taming

[untold ingot]

That is likely

All the info is in the pins and the steam page

[mint swan]

oh ok

[blissful perch]

I’m thinking the use of mounted defensive and offensive weapons would be super cool. But again, not entirely sure how to do that. Maybe make the rider invincible while mounted on the siege weapons so they can’t be picked off them?

I feel like a turret wall would be far more immersive and entertaining (using ark 1 framework) if you had actual players manning some form of specialized defensive turret(s) be they catapults etc

[past wind]

I've talked about that in here before, that's a reality on Atlas already and I think they will do the same for Ark. You just have to assign NPCs to mounted weapons like a cannons, ballistas etc.

Also, the NPCs need food and they are paid (gold coins).

[winged dome]

What little info we have, at least ...
Hopefully the gameplay reveal will be worth the wait

[lavish rain]

It wont

[blissful perch]

Yea except I don’t want NPCs lol

I just want human manned ballistas shooting people off their walls 😂

[lavish rain]

Their definition of gameplay is a 3 second clip of holding a spear with no hud in the night

[hearty mortar]

so dose anyone know when this game is coming out like what quarter of 2023

[fallow niche]

Nope, just 2023.

[winged dome]

Xbox games showcase hinted at first half of 2023, but not a guarantee

[tropic crag]

"I understood that reference."

[glacial hatch]

guessing it'll get set for early 2023 and delayed to late

[thick moat]

honestly not too far off of what could happen ahahah

I would be inspecting every damn pixel though🗿

[sinful ermine]

The idea of a persistent world in which all of your work is left vulnerable while you are not playing is the fundamental problem of this genre

[tropic crag]

And why an unstructured PvP isn't very good for the longevity or health of the game

[untold ingot]

I mean, that's not objectively truw

It's 8 years into the game and pvp is still going fairly strong, even on official

[tropic crag]

Then let me rephrase

*for normal people

[untold ingot]

It's just not super accessible to new players because they don't know how to play it the way you have yo

You have to have a tribe unless you are doing smalls or a wipe server. Otherwise you can't get really anywhere

If ark2 doesn't have some form of persistent world in which pvp can take place, as well as bases to raid, then ark2's pvp scene probably won't last super long

[tropic crag]

Hard disagree

Just look at Rust

has wipes
has bases to raid
is one of the most populated survival PvP games out there, almost double what Ark's entire official player count is, and that's on a bad day

That's including official PvE on the Ark side, btw.

I'd also say it's very accessible compared to Ark, you can just jump in and find a dude with a gun, kill him, and then research his gun and bullets; boom, you've skipped the boring grind to almost the entire second tier of the workbench

There's also no, you know, having to sit there and either beg at the heels of the megas to join them, or breed for years just to even become slightly capable of fending for yourself. Not to mention the greatly reduced reliance on RNG, at least in my experience

[sinful ermine]

I would argue that niche =/= strong

A lot of people seem to think this would be a bad idea, but I believe with 100% of my being that tribes having instanced territories with restricted access is actually the ideal method for cultivating a healthy player-experience that is dynamic for both hardcore players and casuals.

You have your stronghold, and then you have "the world"

The world is where all the risk, the glory, and the valuables are found and fought over

But no matter what, you always have your stronghold to return to

[tropic crag]

Nobody would fight, they'd turtle up like they already do with shared PvP/PvE clustered servers (according to some, I think it's not a terrible idea but definitely needs work)

[sinful ermine]

Nobody fights without a reason anyway

So give them one

[tropic crag]

Certain times of the month being PvP enabled would be the penultimate way to go imo, of course keeping the tribe war feature for those few who do want to just PvP when they want

[lime forge]

People would absolutely fight in that situation. They’re playing PvP because they want to engage with other players.

[tropic crag]

Maybe, for a week or two

But easily and most definitely not for years, lol

[lime forge]

For some that may be true. But PvP players arent on PvP servers just because it sounds cool. They’ll be looking for fights because that’s the content they enjoy. I do think instanced territories would be a good idea if it was to be implemented properly. It would be huge for dealing with pillar spam and would mean players would be able to build in the location they actually want. But in PvP it would need more. Nobody wants to kit farm in the open world as the only source of PvP. Perhaps some incentive for war that would open up a tribes territory to be raided by those involved.

[sinful ermine]

Splitting Arat’s openly playable area into conquerable territories with direct benefits is one possible method.

[lime forge]

I like the idea but I feel it would turn out like amazons new MMO and result in to much control for one player to have over another.

New world I think it’s called

[tropic crag]

I think I've said before that having a feature akin to the faction war from For Honor would be a cool thing to do, have the Aratai, the tek wanters, and the Santiago tribes all be vying for something

At least, in PvP, no idea how that would have a place elsewhere

[lime forge]

I honestly think instanced, match based PvP would be a great thing for the franchise.

[tropic crag]

Unless they did some galaxybrain branching story shit

[lime forge]

Not saying it should only be that way

[tropic crag]

Match based is the goal imo

[sinful ermine]

At the end of the day it seems to me that what’s really kept Ark PvP going all this time is the sunk cost fallacy. Regardless of whether the devs had good intentions in how they designed the game, that element of the experience is fundamentally malignant and I don’t want to see it repeated. That’s my contention.

[lime forge]

But perhaps arenas you que into with one tame of a specific size and the winner keeps the others loot and receives more as a reward.

[sinful ermine]

It would be interesting perhaps to be able to put one stronghold against another in all-out warfare, but have no permanent loss incurred. You get benefits for winning, but no real penalty for losing. That way people can legitimately just cut loose, have fun, wreak chaos and do crazy ridiculous things without sacrificing weeks, months, or even years of work.

[lime forge]

Group content could be akin to battlegrounds in WoW even. But without respawn and you could loot your kills.

[tropic crag]

I don't want the PvP to turn into a facebook game, which is what this kinda sounds like to me, but maybe I just read it weird 😅

[lime forge]

Just imagine a ravine with a fortress on either end, 10 people and 10 tames on each side fighting to kill and conquer the opposing side. You could even do a full scale siege.

All you risk losing are the tames and the kit you brought in with you.

[sinful ermine]

That might be something.

I’m thinking you have your instanced territory, then you have the contested lands, venturing into the contested lands is where you get the majority of your creature variety and mid-high tier resources. You can build freely in the contested lands, but your structures, items, and tames are always vulnerable if left out there. So that’s your bulk-standard run of the mill PvP. But you also have territory warfare that has a handy-dandy matchmaking system that takes into account overall tribe stats, as well as manual declarations of war. In either case, the battle must be agreed on by both parties and a wager can be made between them, tames, resources, tech, whatever. But no matter which way the battle goes, your territory and items and tames contained within are restored to their original state afterwards. Unless you deliberately agree to a scorched earth outcome beforehand.

Something like that.

Options for players of all types and availabilities

The important part is that the time and effort you invest in the game is secure, and you cannot be robbed of it.

[tropic crag]

Or at least the majority of your time and effort, I could get behind this though 100%

[untold ingot]

If ark2 pvp turns into that no one will play it. That sounds like sotf with a few extra bells and whistles

The most valuable thing in pvp is character levels, if you have that then you can rebuild everything else

I really don't want to see the entirety of ark2 pvp turn into a Dino included dmz mode.

[tropic crag]

You must not have read the bulk of it, then. It sounds absolutely nothing like sotf, or that shitty dmz mode in that shitty new CoD, lol

[elfin pumice]

It could be a separate mode from classic pvp

[lime forge]

Ark 1 PvP is not good PvP. It needs to turn into something else

[untold ingot]

The only reason its not good is because of the hacks and graphic ini

[lime forge]

And the left click spam outside of some tek and a couple tames, soaking turrets is also not engaging gameplay whatsoever, and anything off mounts without tek is just obnoxious little goblins trying to land a hit.

[split dove]

The ai in that mode is better than a majority of new players 🤣

[lime forge]

The only actual positive to Ark 1 PvP is the thrill of scoring top quality loot from a raid or hunt.

[tropic crag]

Not surprised, these are CoD players we're talking about, after all 😂

[tropic crag]

Objectively false

[split dove]

"Wait a min, why are there 5 juggernauts in the kitchen?" ai really be out to troll

[jaunty nexus]

ini is a big negative to the game to be fair

[inland pasture]

Ark 2 OT

[tropic crag]

Yeah, but it's not as bad as cheaters and some of the other glaring and general issues PvP has

Especially since everyone can do it, unfortunately (of course, everyone on PC, that is)

[jaunty nexus]

I agree the exploit/cheating issue is their number one weakness. Unfortunately that’s a never ending fight.

[shrewd pewter]

anyone one know the exact release date?

[untold ingot]

It hasn't been announced

[shrewd pewter]

L

[fading venture]

CDKeys (a well-known platform where you can buy keys for games) lists January 31st as the release date

Not sure how reliable it is, but if it's true...👀

[lime forge]

Cdkeys is a gd liar

[mint swan]

Tip number 1:

Dont get hyped around leaks. It would be a dissapointment, and People somehow convert a leak like its the truth. At that point, People getting mad at wildcard for no reason

[tropic crag]

See, you structured this a little poorly. The way it should've been posted is as follows:

CDKeys (a site that is in no way Wildcard or so much as affiliated with Wildcard, reducing their credibility as far as knowing actual information about Ark 2 to near zero, if not absolute zero) lists January 31st as the release date

[median kayak]

when we will have news for ark 2? i mean it will be release in months

[split dove]

it could be at the game awards on december 8th if wildcard goes to it, other then that we don't know when wildcard will reveal gameplay (should normally be the next time they announce anything ark 2 related)

[blissful perch]

Thank you for saying what I’ve always said 👑

[median kayak]

thanks flobs!

[thick moat]

If they do that all players of pvp just leave the game, that's the beauty to me of PvP, the freedom to do whatever you want anywhere

It's just that raiding bases doesn't have much risk since it's so easy to build explosives and structures are really easy to break, Rust for example does it well (if we don't count that's extremely flawed easy way for anyone to get weapons) explosives are harder to build and structures resist a lot more, even wood

I think with the new combat, huge world and new building systems (along with wipes) would make it such a better mode without these huge changes making it completely different from what made the game popular on pvp

They could do a separate mode with that idea but to me the PvP Concept should stay the same

[blissful perch]

Defense being strong works better when at the end of the day there’s a wipe

As for the suggestion to rework PvP: I’m for it. Have a small instanced space for each tribe with no resources in it, and have special defense zones out in the world that grant special loot (maybe replace the role of beacons/loot crates)

Your instanced space becomes your tribe vault, and there’s plenty of PvP to be had snagging kits or fighting over defensive loot zones or tames etc

[thick moat]

Nah too restricted, that's like an mmo

It wouldnt feel very sandboxy

It would get boring after a while too + where do even solos build, how are the smaller tribes meant to fight vs the bigger ones, how do you make every tribe that comes into the server have that small zone? It would get crowded, i don't think there's a way around it on a open world pvp sandbox, maybe with the atlas flag which makes it so you can own a piece of land that's not "restricted" with pvp hours and pve hours vs bases

[quaint horizon]

Anyone think we'll see it around the game show awards

[thick moat]

Yes we all think that, though imo them releasing SOTF makes me wonder if they did it because of a delay..

We'll have to wsit and see for the next community crunch on the 2nd if they announce something

[quaint horizon]

I don't think we'll see it at the gameshow awards. I think it will be next year's xbox showcase.

But let's hope I'm wrong.

[thick moat]

It may be the case honestly

[quaint horizon]

I see June being the release month . So whichever way they can advertise it the best for that

[thick moat]

I feel like the ankylo concept art was to calm the waters a bit, and they didnt say anything about it being "soon" so yeah what you are saying may be what will happen

[quaint horizon]

Yea

[tropic crag]

Do you know the term instanced or instancing? That plays a big role in the way this proposed reform of PvP works

[quaint horizon]

The new character models look pretty good. Weapons look good etc. Just need gameplay

[thick moat]

Oh I assumed it was random assigned zones for all tribes

[thick moat]

Graphically everything looks very good

[quaint horizon]

Yup

[sinful ermine]

This system is actually what makes it possible for smaller tribes to consistently contend with larger ones, because no matter what, the smaller tribes cannot be reduced to zero.

If the core of your operation in the game world is untouchable you have all the ingredients for a perpetual motion machine

At least as far as PvP is concerned

[thick moat]

Yeah u can just wipe servers with how pvp is right now and I think it'll be fine

It would be cool as a experimental mode but nothing else

[blissful perch]

Instanced = off the map

[blissful perch]

I do think these instances should be devoid of tames and resources. That way you spend the bulk of your time out where PvP can happen

[sinful ermine]

That'd be fine

As long as you can store at least some things, the functionality would still be beneficial to the health of the game

[blissful perch]

Yea I’m thinking the instances would be a “vault”

[thick moat]

Weird system...

I dont see it

[blissful perch]

It’s used in ark 1 for some of the genesis missions

[thick moat]

Yeah and there was a spanish yt series who used it too, but for pvp...

[blissful perch]

If you know RuneScape, it’s like the houses you can make in that game that are “outside” the normal map

[thick moat]

Yeah ik what you mean

I just really don't see it

[blissful perch]

It’s starkly different PvP for sure

It better mirrors an MMO, which ark 1 has some elements of, rather than a flat survival game

[thick moat]

Yes that's why Im not quite fond of it

[blissful perch]

What I dislike about ark is that it tries to juggle MMO RPG and survival elements

The world permanence of a survival game is fine if you don’t have a multi thousand hour RPG progression system and an MMO network where people can come from anywhere to your server to raid you

[thick moat]

I think they said there would be stats for ark 2 no?

Or will it be a skill tree with the stats

[blissful perch]

Stats are unconfirmed

The only confirmed feature is a skill tree with a knowledge point system…that is in some way linked to missions

I’m guessing stats to some extent aren’t going anywhere

[thick moat]

Hmm all I hope is they make speed not upgradable

People going full the flash mode is a pain in the ass

[sinful ermine]

Any type of movement ability is abused in PvP unfortunately

Even in Dark Souls people just constantly roll

Only For Honor had a straight up dual or die system that actually worked

That I can think of

[blissful perch]

Agree it’s bad design

It makes PvP at ping differences even more goofy

[thick moat]

Eh its not abusing an ability, it's just in the game XD

[thick moat]

That aint abusing though lol, you can catch rolls

[blissful perch]

It’s abuse if it’s used in an exploit style fashion I agree. I think the word ember was seeking was “spamming”

[thick moat]

Yeah but it's easy to counter if all they do is roll back

[blissful perch]

That doesn’t make it fun

[thick moat]

Agree

I mean if they just add dodges ill be fine

[blissful perch]

There’s a distinct different between fun and fair imo

I think dodges would be fun if they’re more like hops and less like assassins creed rolls lol

[thick moat]

And maybe rolls for disengaging but u can only do it once and u are vulnerable on it

[thick moat]

Yup

There's a lot of ways wildcard could improve on the souls combat, i hope they see the problems this combat has and improves on it

[south lance]

how do yall feel about stealing tames for ark2

like thats the one good thing i think cryos are good for

[thick moat]

stealing tames?

that's weird asf

what would the purpose be other than a little bit of tomfoolery

[stray elm]

You can do that with maewings

You can steal tamed babies with them

[ripe cedar]

You can also do that with eggs

[south lance]

not needing to start your own end game lines

bypassing the huge time investment breeding will always be basically

[south lance]

i mean adult ones

[sour geyser]

lol

[thick moat]

yeah just delete that type of breeding altogether

[untold ingot]

Stealing tames is the only way to even out lines, and it makes it easier to build back with good stuff. While I am against cryos, I am for stealing dinos, especially if it is something like the maewing stealing babies etc

[south lance]

the issue is that any breeding at all will at least somewhat mimic that

you will need to go througu the stages of breeding, hatching, raising, repeat

for multiple generations

you cant reduce that in any way except if you remove the hatching and raising stage ig but then its a wonky af game logic and wouldnt feel right

but even then breeding will be some decent level of time commitment or else itd be barely relevant, since the point is to create a superior tame by investing time

[stray elm]

They're muted

[south lance]

theyll be unmuted eventually i imagine

[stray elm]

Fair

[south lance]

doubt its a week long mute but i ciuld be wrong

[stray elm]

Wonder what they did

[south lance]

🤷‍♂️

[south lance]

should spaying/neutering be a thing then

[stray elm]

Yes

[south lance]

if you want to propogate lines the most effective way would be to prevent players from making tames unviable

though i do generally respect the effort involved with line creation

and this would make a lot of that irrelevant

though that its such an insane effort is part of the problem

if that effort was decreased, streamlining breeding and capping how far it can get earlier, then maybe it wouldnt be so bad to make that effort easily available for other players to exploit

[blazing orchid]

When is it coming out

[stray elm]

2023

[blazing orchid]

L

K

[untold ingot]

Probably yeah

[blissful perch]

If breeding is just consolidating stats and imprint, the advantage won’t be so insurmountable that stealing is required as an option to get a foothold

[south lance]

fair enough

then breeding would be used all the time tbh

[untold ingot]

I think a huge percentage of people don't want that though

[true pier]

Any idea when we get more ark2 news

[subtle matrix]

Why did they make the choice for third person

Why

[stray elm]

New combat system

[subtle matrix]

No

I refuse

Make it go back to first person

[lavish rain]

Trust me, you wont

[sinful ermine]

First person doesn’t really work with the kind of combat system they’re envisioning

[split dove]

and the new movement system

[blissful perch]

A huge percentage of people “don’t want” third person only too 🤷‍♂️. I see that as a flimsy argument, though I’ve seen you present other valid ones so I concede it’s not a no brainer choice

[untold ingot]

True, but that is driven by the cameras in game play, getting rid of breeding isn't comparable

[tropic crag]

I think "huge percentage" is the misnomer here, we don't have concrete numbers on either side to support almost any point of discussion imo

[upper scroll]

I sure don't want third only, or souls style..

Game 2 in a successful model isn't time to upend everything your players love. It's dangerous as hell. If the game feels copycat, it will flop. Literally everyone I play with is 1st person on foot, 3rd on dino. It's about the immersion of truly feelings in your creations, on your dinos, or deep in the forest

3rd person can't match 1st person immersion, by definition

[upbeat panther]

I think before we make any decisions about if we like or don’t like 3rd person we should wait to see the gameplay they are planning to show us

[stray elm]

Agreed

[upbeat panther]

3rd person might be necessary for the type of game they are making we just don’t know yet because there is no gameplay

I don’t think 3rd person is a deal breaker…

[blissful perch]

“Everything your players love” is a bold statement

People who love ark…obviously love ark. But the core of ark, the taming and surviving that defines the series, isn’t going anywhere

[stray elm]

Yeaaah, ARK is a pretty versatile game that has many, many mechanics. Hard to round down what people love.

[upbeat panther]

Yea lol ark has pvp which is an obvious statement, but I never play it. I only play single player. So it’s hard to pinpoint what everyone loves lol

[blissful perch]

That’s what’s nice about a customizable game like ark

[untold ingot]

I would say the breeding too lol. Most ark players spend more time breeding than they do taming

[blissful perch]

The breeding is not core to ark as a series. It’s core to the gameplay because of an error, but that’s it

[untold ingot]

This is a good point. Ark has a number of different play styles that have little in common other than the base game

[blissful perch]

And ofc the breeding is all roped into the taming and tame management

[untold ingot]

It's core to the game play for the bosses. The error made it too op and time consuming

But most people don't cap lines anyway

[blissful perch]

The 20 cap would not have been mandatory

Bosses were made harder after mutation stacking was discovered

[stray elm]

I'd say mutations are more at fault then breeding.

[untold ingot]

Maybe. But you can't say that breeding and raising dinos isn't a key game play aspect

[blissful perch]

True, though in ark 1 they’re basically the same

[blissful perch]

Key to gameplay, not to the game design

[stray elm]

A lot of people play ARK for the breeding.
I know someone that does.

[untold ingot]

Well, seeing as most players play for the game play and not the game design, I would say it's the more important thing to pay attention to lol

[blissful perch]

Makes sense. If the game is out and you know what the gameplay looks like, you may be drawn in by that

[stray elm]

Especially if you've played games like Pokemon before hand

[blissful perch]

Lotta RPG folks like endless stat stacking, it’s attractive to many people to outscale the game. Same for people who like to care for animals

[untold ingot]

I would say most people don't do the endless stacking though

[blissful perch]

Most people do, if they have more than a few hundred hours

[stray elm]

Hear me out.

[lavish rain]

Or they just buy said mutated dinos

For poly or for cash

[stray elm]

Since ARK has so many goddamn mechanics.
What if they turn cooking into its own mini-game within the game.

[lavish rain]

You never say anything good

[untold ingot]

I would be down for this

[blissful perch]

I’m fine with more things to do. Something has to replace mutation breeding if they remove it

[untold ingot]

I don't think it entirely has to be removed. Just nerfwd

[stray elm]

I might not say anything good. But at least I don't make fuck ups.

[blissful perch]

It won’t be removed. I’d be coping so hard if I expected that 😂

[lavish rain]

Wdym you don't make fuck ups

[stray elm]

Don't make me say it.

[lavish rain]

Say it

[split dove]

🍿

[lavish rain]

Hear me out, cloning

[stray elm]

If I do, I know I'll get muted.

[lavish rain]

Ugh say it in conquering the arks

[stray elm]

I left the server.

[lavish rain]

Dm it

[untold ingot]

If mutations were removed, then tamed dinos would be the peak of power, so it would be an rng race to see who gets the best Rex, and then no one could compete with them. All progression tame wise would be done in the first day lol

[stray elm]

'sigh'
Alright.

[lavish rain]

Precisely why there has to be some form of long term tame upgrading, because people tame everything they need before they go to bed

[blissful perch]

The first part isn’t even true if you can consolidate parent stats or imprint

[untold ingot]

Yeah, so mutations or some equivalent thing is kind of fundemental for game duration

[blissful perch]

Categorically false lmao

You could have equipment loot hunting be a grind, or any variety of other repeatable tasks

[lavish rain]

So we need some form of long term tame upgrading that dosent involve hundreds of hours

[blissful perch]

Some long term “thing”. Doesn’t have to be tame upgrades

[untold ingot]

And?... End result of that if gear continually gets better is that dinos become worthless past a certain point

[blissful perch]

Saddles are gear are they not?

[lavish rain]

People will get the best bps day 2

[blissful perch]

And I also don’t believe in endless scaling

I think endless scaling is silly

[untold ingot]

It's not enough to keep the game going just to get gear lol

[untold ingot]

It's not even endless lol

[blissful perch]

Thousands of hours with almost 100 creatures is functionally endless

[untold ingot]

It shouldn't be, but something like 20 mutations is definitely within the realm of reason

[blissful perch]

Sure, although I’d prefer some other way to get those stats

[lavish rain]

A game like ark I think it will always exist in some way

[blissful perch]

It didn’t before mutations (and the subsequent error that was made to enable capping)

[lavish rain]

Player retention would crumble

[blissful perch]

It really wouldn’t

Endless scaling is most common in singleplayer games

[lavish rain]

Official servers would barren

[blissful perch]

Take monster hunter: fantastic popular and long lasting game, and there’s no infinite scaling

Infinite grind to endure, and stuff to do, but not infinite scaling

[lavish rain]

MMOs bore me

[blissful perch]

MH is by no means an MMO. It’s an RPG for sure

[lavish rain]

And RPGs, too, if it's pure RPG

[blissful perch]

So you’re on board with severely reducing mutations? Since that’s an extremely RPG element

[lavish rain]

Uhm, yeah?

[blissful perch]

Just clarifying

[lavish rain]

I thought I already said thay

[blissful perch]

You may have and I didn’t remember 😂

[untold ingot]

It needs to be severely reduced, but shouldn't be removed

[blissful perch]

It won’t be removed, so that’s the outcome I hope for

[lavish rain]

They could do a system simular to mutagen in order to accomplish the same goal mutations try to accomplish

[blissful perch]

I have beef with the stat boosts and the process 😂

[untold ingot]

I would prefer the stat boosts get replaced for perks, which could include but aren't limited to stat boosts

[lavish rain]

Perks and skill trees 🤮

[blissful perch]

Perk farming could easily be a thousands of hours sink that doesn’t result in horribly breaking the game’s balance for PvE

[copper stirrup]

less knockout tames?

[lavish rain]

I think a perk system would be flawed

If it's a 1k+ hour time sink like shifter said, and those perks don't make stat crazy, your tame can easily die and you'd have to spend another 1k hours grinding another tame, as opposed to just hatching an egg and raising a baby in significantly less time to replace your tame

[blissful perch]

A mild tangent from our conversation, but I think most ark 2 tames if not all will mirror the new creatures and their taming methods

You’ll notice almost none of the tames added since genesis 1 are knock out

[copper stirrup]

i haven't noticed

[blissful perch]

You’d probably farm the perk in the parent so you’d be able to breed them into babies

[copper stirrup]

but thanks

[lavish rain]

It would HAVE to be like that, getting all the perks immediately from an egg

[blissful perch]

I’m down for jumping topics btw, no sass intended

[lavish rain]

I hope it isn't somthing ridiculous or hoping the game dosent fuck you over
Cough stryder

[copper stirrup]

should items in the inventory effect smell?

[lavish rain]

It depends

[jaunty nexus]

Do you mean like being tracked by creatures?

[copper stirrup]

yes

[blissful perch]

Hmm, like meat in the inventory attracts carnivores? I’m not sold

[jaunty nexus]

7 days to die did something similar with it and it did cause you to be attacked more often

[blissful perch]

For equipment I’d be ok with it though

[lavish rain]

I also don't want to have to mass grind (as an example) bug repellant for a 24/7 effect just so I don't get swarmed

[blissful perch]

But I think scent would work better with armor + special items + environmental stuff like mud etc

[lavish rain]

Anything your character itself is holding
So if it's a spear made of aratai shit, it'll only work if you have it equipped

[copper stirrup]

well water helps cover stench so something simple as water will help hide it

[jaunty nexus]

You’d get the effect ghillie armor already gives you if adding mud etc

[blissful perch]

For scent, yes

[copper stirrup]

yeah

[blissful perch]

But unlike ghillie, which grants total stealth, scent is but one sense

[jaunty nexus]

It’s a nice thought, but I doubt they’d be able to implement it

[blissful perch]

If you make a bunch of noise or are in sight, oops the scent masking ain’t enough

[blissful perch]

We were promised the AI would use multiple senses 🤷‍♂️

[lavish rain]

I fear that the scent based tracking system could become too OP causing nothing to track you, who knows what they could add later down the line

[untold ingot]

Most new tames on dlc maps since ab haven't been knockout tbh

[copper stirrup]

probably

[blissful perch]

*extinction

[copper stirrup]

mana

[lavish rain]

They could add a dead silence potion, or an invisible to dinos potion

[copper stirrup]

velo

[lavish rain]

They could go way too crazy

[untold ingot]

The key word is most...

[stray elm]

Gasbags

[lavish rain]

Your supposed to be on our side fucker

[copper stirrup]

most

[untold ingot]

Not all, but most new tames

[copper stirrup]

most yes

[stray elm]

Who's?

[jaunty nexus]

I suppose we can mark it down as a wanted feature

[blissful perch]

Mana velo gasbags and snow owl are KO. Gacha and enforcer aren’t. More are KO than not 😂

[copper stirrup]

kinda like passive tames

[stray elm]

Don't forget the titans

[lavish rain]

Shifter and me

[blissful perch]

I’m not sure how else they’d make multiple senses work for wild dino AI…

[untold ingot]

Titans and meks are extinction too...

[stray elm]

I am.

[untold ingot]

And scouts

[blissful perch]

True, but I kinda consider those bosses more than tames, especially cause they’re temporary

[untold ingot]

They are as much tames as titanosuar are

[stray elm]

So is the lyperodon, or however you spell it

[blissful perch]

True, but even in that case it’s roughly 50-50

[copper stirrup]

but knockout could make more sense such as titano

[lavish rain]

I barely call that a tame

[blissful perch]

Genesis 1 is where they really went away from KO tames

[lavish rain]

It's more of a boss

[untold ingot]

Yeah, that's true

[stray elm]

Then the maewing happened

[copper stirrup]

yeah

[blissful perch]

It’s a special tame because you need a net gun 😂😂

[jaunty nexus]

I don’t really have a problem with any of the tames except for the megachel. It was just a buggy mess

[untold ingot]

They have always been leaning away from knockout

[stray elm]

Have a strong enough tek-bow, and you don't.

[blissful perch]

So damn true. So janky

[lavish rain]

Said who? I knock it out without a trap nor a net guns, it's called skill

[untold ingot]

I tamed 2 bad ones, just to get a pair, and then never again. Imagine capping hp on a level 30 tame lol

[jaunty nexus]

Lmao

[blissful perch]

I’m glad the joke was well received lads 😂

[stray elm]

What joke?

[untold ingot]

I liked the concept, but it didn't work for ark1

[lavish rain]

Deez

[stray elm]

Walls

[jaunty nexus]

With a better AI it would’ve been fun

[copper stirrup]

megachelon taming is annoying

[jaunty nexus]

Same with the carcharo

It’s a buggy mess

[untold ingot]

Yeah for sure, also without 200 million sharks

[blissful perch]

To this point, what did you think multiple senses would look like if NOT the method I described? They said they were dropping the old circular detection radius in the Pax interview @jaunty nexus

[stray elm]

Also known as the megachelong

[untold ingot]

This is like the most exciting news so far imo

[stray elm]

I should point out you wanna pronounce this with a 'sh' instead of a 'ch'

[untold ingot]

People talk immersion and say first person, I talk immersion and it is ai quality

[jaunty nexus]

I didn’t pay attention to the pax interview

Was one of the things I missed

[untold ingot]

It's on the steam page too, just not in a ton of detail

[copper stirrup]

did the ark 2 gameplay come yet?

[jaunty nexus]

I’m banking on mod makers to have first person made fairly quickly

[untold ingot]

Not yet

[stray elm]

We'd be talking about it if it did

[lavish rain]

Not yet, they stingy

[jaunty nexus]

Well we do know next time anything is said about ARK II it’ll be gameplay thankfully

[untold ingot]

I could take it or leave it. I am not a fan of ark1 fp to begin with

[blissful perch]

This chat would be poppin something fierce if it came out lol

[jaunty nexus]

I like FP more than third

[untold ingot]

I think there would be riots if they say something and it's not the game play lol

[lavish rain]

Brewing somthing villainous and sinister

[copper stirrup]

man

theres a fair chance i won't get ark 2

[stray elm]

👨

[jaunty nexus]

Fair enough

You’ll have the chance to see early gameplay before you have to make a decision

[blissful perch]

Do you have a PC/Xbox?

[copper stirrup]

especially because wont be available for me for a bit

[jaunty nexus]

At least you’ll be able to see the gameplay and judge it before you play

[copper stirrup]

yep

[lavish rain]

Only 4 people could resist the force, lotus, the weed smoker, shifter, the expert life analyzer, raq, the tech geek, and lastly, flobs, the chef

[untold ingot]

Play ark1 like crazy, and watch all the ark2 bugs get fixed before you have to deal with them lol

[copper stirrup]

i get things on disc so hopefully there will be a disc version

[untold ingot]

Wait, I am the tech geek?

[blissful perch]

I love this head canon LMFAO

[copper stirrup]

just to prevent something happening and the game poofs

[untold ingot]

I would have thought science nerd

[mint swan]

Ah yea ark 2 will be good

[jaunty nexus]

I can only imagine day 1 bugs

[lavish rain]

You said you deal with computers a lot in you job right?

[untold ingot]

Yeah, looking forward to them lol

[copper stirrup]

ready for a long delay for us?

[untold ingot]

Well technically I don't have a job rn unfortunately

[jaunty nexus]

If it feels like day 1 atlas

[lavish rain]

Git gud

[untold ingot]

Yeah lol 🐸