ark-2

[iron sequoia]

Customisation go brrrrrr

Gimme CAPES

[untold ingot]

I dont want to go into a boss fight and have the entire win condition be rng on how lucky my original tame was, or how much time I spent afk

[winged dome]

Levels are okay I think, or at the very least it can be converted to a new system for the assumed creature skill tree. Maybe wild tames have a randomly assigned number of skills already spent, which higher 'level' creature having more than a lower level? Then breeding has a chance to merge the pre-assigned skills to get a better baby, but no mutations to have a crazy critter

[untold ingot]

Bosses should be beatable by one dino, not through a spamming of the left click but actually through a skilled fight

[winged dome]

That way there's still hunting for prime specimens

[mortal kestrel]

I mean, a skill tree for dinos doesnt have to be complex

could just be that a dino has a skill tree based off its "type" so like, a tree for fliers, ground based dinos, utility based dinos (shoulder pets, unrideables, et cetera), hybrid movement dinos (think rockdrakes, bloodstalkers, and manas here), and water dinos

categorizing tame skill trees both makes adding them to dinos more doable, and also helps universally identify dinos so we dont have the whole rockdrake thing going on where half the community calls it a flier and the other half doesnt

[iron sequoia]

Idc as long as it doesn’t hit the rider or dismount you
Hate bosses that do that

[mortal kestrel]

same

[untold ingot]

I would just rather see less fluff tbh. Every specimen should be worth taming, but should be harder to find, and harder to tame

[mortal kestrel]

I too want bosses to be doable with just one tame... but not because the boss is weak, but because you've invested enough time into that tame to make it viable for that boss fight

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I dont know where I stand on that. It is kind of a trend in ark1 that things that fight the rider are too op. Hopefully the character has more abilities and isnt quite as squishy

[mortal kestrel]

well we do have more advanced onfoot combat as well as parkour mechanics

so its not like the player is entirely helpless without their tame like in arkI

[untold ingot]

I have been playing conan a little just to get the feel of a survival game that has some better character movement/weapon stuff, and honestly I really want to see that type of combat added to ark2. If dinos had similar fighting, I feel itll make the game so much better

[mortal kestrel]

I dont see wildcard adding an indepth on foot combat system unless they expect you to be able to use it honestly

would just be a waste of time

[iron sequoia]

Why fight on ground when I can chomp with my rex

[mortal kestrel]

I do not

not because the combat system is necessarily bad, but because that games hit detection is even more ass than arks, and also conans ai has to literally break physics to fight you, which is both not immersive and off putting

[mortal kestrel]

why chomp with the rex when I have my special move?

(which yes, those are confirmed for arkII)

[untold ingot]

Its pretty buggy, but the concept is okay

[mortal kestrel]

monster hunter would be a better example of a combat system for arkII tbh

its very diverse, and the ai flow with it instead of against it

[iron sequoia]

I enjoy my safety rather than doing a move
If I go to kill something it’s my Dino killing it not me

[untold ingot]

I havent played that one. The unskippable 40 min long cutscenes really shut down any desire I had to test it out]

[mortal kestrel]

fair

but I really do recommend it, monster hunter is so fun

[iron sequoia]

Unskippable cutscences are a crime

[untold ingot]

Either way the concept of both is the same basic thing. It takes knowledge of a combat system, not just afk looking for numbers to get bigger

[mortal kestrel]

I also hope arkII has combat like monster hunter because Im hoping arkII will have some monster hunter vibes

I want to be able to square up with a rex with my toothpick if Im determined enough, even if the fight takes half an hour like some of the bigger fights of monster hunter

[iron sequoia]

So much to think of so much potential but so my fear

[untold ingot]

Fighting a rex on foot should be almost impossible imo. A single bite should kill the player, but hopefully the movement works so that you can escape

[mortal kestrel]

dont ask me for advice classy, my response to fears is throwing you into the philosophical deep end

[mortal kestrel]

I do agree that a single attack should do significant damage to the player

so just dont get hit 4head

[iron sequoia]

Yea i would like to see that

Semi realistic dmg at least

If I get bit I want to lose a arm or leg

[untold ingot]

I really want to get scared to fight big dinos earlygame lol, I dont want to be able to get the best stuff day one, and then spend the rest of my run sitting around waiting for better stuff

[untold ingot]

I would prefer if dismemberment isnt a thing, but that is just me

[iron sequoia]

Oh yea I agree I was just using that as a scale of dmg delt

[mortal kestrel]

I want to be able to defeat a rex on foot if I get skilled enough at combat to do so, that would make me feel like Im actually getting good:TM: you know?

not just "hee hoo cant damage rex because Im on foot even though I literally have a big ass stick with an obsidian blade which is one of the most sharpest things in existence"

[untold ingot]

I mean, in an actual practical sense, even an aluminum sword would be better than obsidian lol

[untold totem]

obsidian is sharp but it's basically glass

[mortal kestrel]

depends on how you make the obsidian weapon

[untold ingot]

Not really.

[mortal kestrel]

people typically embed fragments of obsidian into wood, so even if one breaks your weapon isnt just entirely useless

[untold ingot]

Obsidian works when added to a club, or on arrows. It really doesnt work as an actual blade

[untold ingot]

Against a rex, a club with shards of glass is entirely useless imo

[untold totem]

tbh i find it extra stupid if just some person melee bobbing an army of dinos

its like you are trying to barbwire club an elephant

[iron sequoia]

Me: bonks rex with club
Rex: prepare to be disintegrated

[mortal kestrel]

meh, its a video game

realistically the dinos would either kill each other off and cause their own extinction, or they hyper take over the environment and make everything else go extinct

[untold ingot]

I could see a pike(not ark1 short spear "pike") or two handed axe working against larger dinos, but things like clubs or swords dont really work against larger things

[untold totem]

bare in mind people still make dino armies... it makes "no tame" kinda stupid

[mortal kestrel]

thats assuming you can even have a dino army in arkII

[untold ingot]

You better be able to

[mortal kestrel]

eh? I dont think so

it kind of makes balancing pointless if you can just have a big ass group of the most "meta" creatures anyway

[untold totem]

same with assuming downgrade ARK similar to Conan where AI human(oids) are superior than tames

[mortal kestrel]

who said anything about ai being superior to tames?

[untold totem]

if you really hard nerf the thing what makes ARK, ARK then they are just copying conan with dinosaurs at this point

[mortal kestrel]

I just said I want to be able to square off with a rex if I felt like putting in the effort of getting good

[untold totem]

dinos are AI btw

[iron sequoia]

I want a Dino army
It’s fun to run around with

[mortal kestrel]

arkII is third person only

the game is already different from arkI anyways, might as well make it more interesting while you are at it

[untold ingot]

Ark is a dino game, it better be a dino game in ark1. I dont want to see conan remastered

[mortal kestrel]

its hardly interesting to just run over the map with an army of rexes

[untold totem]

what does it have to do with your goal of taking down a dino army with no tames?

[mortal kestrel]

who said anything about taking down a dino army with no tames?

I said I want to square off with a rex, not rexs

[untold totem]

people are so keen to make the whole "souls combat killing dinos thing, monster hunter style" we tend to forget the utilization of Tames is what makes ARK different than Conan, ATLAS, and Last Oasis

[mortal kestrel]

I dont think it would even be physically possible to dodge that many bites unless dodges give iframes for the entire animation, much less actually do damage

[mortal kestrel]

to be fair, you can blame wildcard for that more than the community

the steam page doesnt even mention mounted combat, but it did emphasis how on foot combat is souls like

[untold totem]

its more of the community overhyping as well who knows all we get is just a better ATLAS combat or ported from Lost Oasis

and sure it's WC's fault to trying to "simplify" or found some similar buzzwords for "better combat system than ATLAS"
but we all know we are overhyping it as well because "Dark Souls is hard"

[winged dome]

Dark Souls isn't hard, it was designed in a way to punish how most gamers approach things. Once you learn how it works, it's actually pretty easy

[stray elm]

Basically.
The original point of Demon-Souls was to be a parody of fantasy games.

[blissful perch]

The base game has a grand total of I believe 20ish minutes spread across all the game…which you rarely watch at once because you often grind between major story quests

[blissful perch]

Ark 2 phalanx when

[blissful perch]

Having a single tame with you as a familiar could retain ark’s initial intent without being a tame spam mess

The special quality of ark is most of the wildlife can be tamed. Not that it can be bred and spammed at someone in a lazy fashion

[untold totem]

it felt more of a reskinned conan if you limit the number of tames in play

[blissful perch]

You experienced this gameplay yourself?

I don’t see how mounted combat with a massive variety of tames constitutes a conan remake

[untold totem]

i am talking about limited number of tamed creatures in play not the tameable varieties

[blissful perch]

I’m talking about both

Limited mounts but tons to choose from is what makes ark so unique

[untold totem]

i never mentioned the tame varieties

[blissful perch]

No. I did

I’m arguing your statement that limiting tame counts somehow makes ark lose its unique qualities is wrong

And I’m instead saying it’s the variety of possible tames and mounts that separates ark from conan

[untold totem]

i never claim the creature varieties... just the number of tames on your command

[blissful perch]

You seem to be saying having one mount per person makes ark like conan. I disagree, and provided my reasoning

[untold totem]

the issue here is people are overhyped the whole souls like gameplay on a game where tames is the dominant gameplay

[thick moat]

though the theme and gameplay will probably feel very different or even better than Conan, so I wouldnt say it would turn into a Conan Reskin

[blissful perch]

I agree, my entire point has been that ark 2 has little to no risk of being a conan reskin

[thick moat]

I would like dino tames being more rare and you can only get those with the dynamic event system by saving one from imminent danger or any other event, making it so seeing someone with a tamed dino an actual surprise...

but that may cause a bit of backlash

[lime forge]

If you don’t want a tame heavy game perhaps the Ark franchise isn’t for you.

[thick moat]

it's not that lol, it's just that it would be interesting if they took that aproach

[untold ingot]

Tames should be more rare, they should be better quality, and harder to get and replace

[blissful perch]

In my head, event tames are somehow superior to “normal” tames

[thick moat]

what I enjoy and what I love from ark is the setting, music, lore and the stories and conflicts you can make between tribes...

gameplay isnt my favourite honestly

[thick moat]

this ^

[blissful perch]

Also…CREATURES should be more rare. A herd of trikes should be a fun find rather than an expected feature in every beach

[thick moat]

yeeee that's what I want to see, it would be so exciting

[lime forge]

I agree. They shouldn’t just be spammed across the map. But they should be a large part of the games focus though.

[untold ingot]

yeah, for sure. A more empty world with more valuable dinos would be nice. Especially for pve, maybe not so much for pvp

[untold ingot]

They should be a huge focus, but not so abundant

[blissful perch]

I wouldn’t say empty, I’d say realistic

[untold ingot]

Yeah somethjing like that

[thick moat]

i think im the only only pvp player that wouldnt mind more pve focus, honestly, I enjoy the gamemodes as a whole

but I played like 85% of my hours on pvp, because pve on ark 1 feels like there's no point unless u just want to chill and relax

[untold ingot]

You arent the only one, I like it too. But the flipside of it is fewer dinos spawning make it harder to rebuild, especially if there is a level system like ark1s

[thick moat]

yup, harder for solos too, even though that's a small part of the playerbase

im really excited to see ark 2 gameplay, i can't stop thinking about it when I get the chance lol

[untold totem]

solos are should be "hard mode" they choose to just be alone on a tribe focused game

[blissful perch]

(Unless you choose SP mode)

[untold totem]

if good solos that have no life dominated over tribes with actual sleep schedules and actual work life

that is a bit of a bs

[thick moat]

that's interesting, how will they treat offline raids?

[untold totem]

no offline raids

[thick moat]

that's a big problem on ark 1

[untold totem]

its a skill less kind of raids... i prefer actual stealth raids if they are implemented since no auto trurrets

[blissful perch]

*feature 😂😂

[thick moat]

fr at this point is a feature

[orchid apex]

brachiosaurus could’ve been on other parts of the eden ring, just not the part that we were on 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[thick moat]

did the eden ring ever fall onto arat?

im not sure I saw it fall, other than the capsuels where santiago is on

[orchid apex]

no, the ship (with the rings) launched from arat

[thick moat]

nono

they called arat the planet

[orchid apex]

ohhh

[thick moat]

and the orc like things are aratai

Ik what you mean, I think that's arat prime

[orchid apex]

i thought you meant on earth

[thick moat]

naah

[orchid apex]

yeah, it was heading to earth during the ending of gen 2

after hlna did the separation thingy

[thick moat]

wait what, heading back to earth?

[orchid apex]

no

hlna separated the corrupted parts of the ship and exploded those parts along with rockwell

the eden ring is the only part left now

[thick moat]

oh interesting

[untold ingot]

The gen2 ship was not headed to earth, it landed on arat

[orchid apex]

the ring did

[untold ingot]

Not on earth..

It's on an alien planet

[orchid apex]

no i know…i meant the ring landed on arat

not the ship

[thick moat]

im wondering now, why did the colony ship start searching for habitable planets when earth was getting purified by the arks on the ending of extinction, is it even known why?

[orchid apex]

i think it already began searching long before extinction was pure

[thick moat]

that may be it

so genesis is kinda a prequel xd

[orchid apex]

this is why i believe in the theory that everything that existed on the ship will be in ark 2

[thick moat]

WAIT

[orchid apex]

including maewings

[thick moat]

what if after we finish ark 2 we come back to earth?????

[orchid apex]

nah

[untold ingot]

The ship was made at the same time the arks were. It was a failsafe

[thick moat]

nah im smoking some crack rn hahah

it could be possible no?

[orchid apex]

Nah, we aint going back to earth, no point

[thick moat]

fair

[orchid apex]

the ship finally discovered a pure, element-free habitable planet

[thick moat]

dat true

[untold ingot]

Uh, it's not element free

[orchid apex]

Uh, i mean, it is

[thick moat]

how, isn't it a pure planet techincally?

if we dont count something from the ship falling onto it

[orchid apex]

theres no element in ark 2 from what we know so far

[polar trellis]

tek cave from trailer "heavy breathing"

[thick moat]

it was technology

[polar trellis]

made of element

[thick moat]

that wasnt powered by element i think

[orchid apex]

Doesnt mean its being actively powered

[thick moat]

but the weird ring thing was powered

we dont even know what that is

[orchid apex]

Eden ring

[polar trellis]

ark 2 be like elden ring is real

[thick moat]

truee

[orchid apex]

Thats probably why theres ankys and rexes in ark 2

they came from the ship

[polar trellis]

also can't wait to see how rockwell regenerate from single cell

[orchid apex]

im afraid rockwell is dead

[thick moat]

yeah the mini life ships that was santiago in may bring dinos from there too

[orchid apex]

the whole ass ring landed on the planet

[untold ingot]

There is nothing saying that arat is element free. Just that there won't be usable tek

[thick moat]

you can see it fall?

[orchid apex]

everything that lived on the ring lore-wise should be in ark 2

[orchid apex]

yeah

[dry flame]

There's no tek because the trailer sequence is actually a dream sequence 1980s deli owner Din Viesel is having about a life he may have led before. Ark 2 will be about navigating 80s Los Angeles in an attempt to sell this as a script idea.

[thick moat]

is it on the last cinematic?

[polar trellis]

i think there is chance infected survivor have some of rockwell cell's and he can regenerate he was whole ship so maybe still alive even when main body died

[orchid apex]

yeah, while hlna says her last message you can see it slowly floating towards the planet

[thick moat]

ohhh

[dry flame]

Maybe we get to play as Rockwell.

[thick moat]

imagine we can explore it, nah there's so many posibilities on ark 2, kinda crazy

[orchid apex]

if thats a thing then he would be on the other neighboring planet he crashed on

[orchid apex]

the ring is unfathomably huge, it is quite insane

the entire eden biome on gen 2 is only a small portion of the entire ring

[thick moat]

yeah you can see the other part on the map itself

it's cool

[orchid apex]

rip shadowmanes and noglins though, they’re extinct now

and all the other rockwell-based creatures

[thick moat]

good xd

[dry flame]

Not if we're Rockwell...

[orchid apex]

bro 😂😂

[polar trellis]

yea someone before noticed those orc's from trailer even wear shadowmane skull or something

[thick moat]

sabertooth?

[orchid apex]

if the lore follows up and makes sense, then there should be live maewings walking the planet on ark 2

[thick moat]

hope they are not as good if they are tameable

[orchid apex]

why?

[thick moat]

it's so fast

and has so much mobility

[orchid apex]

Yes

[thick moat]

it will be like when managarmars or flyer speed existed

[orchid apex]

there’ll probably be exomeks and stryders too, but most likely as structures

[thick moat]

i would like ark 2 to be more land focused

[orchid apex]

cause they would be deactivated

[thick moat]

as decoration hahah

[orchid apex]

there will be pterosaurs though

and probably other flying creatures

[thick moat]

yeah ik

though If they add more danger to the skies

it could make it a viable choice to go through land

[polar trellis]

i wan't to see how good creatures looks/move etc in ark 2 damn this gonna be so pleasing for eyes

[thick moat]

yeah, there's so much to look forward to

[orchid apex]

maybe its possible that we go to the other planet that rockwell and the other part of the ship crashed on

and we could see skeleton remains of shadowmanes and noglins

[thick moat]

interesting

[orchid apex]

i wanna see the quetzal

one of my favourite pterosaurs

[polar trellis]

yea 100% we got all fan favourite dinos and some unpopular gone reduced to atoms

[orchid apex]

hopefully they actually make it stand upright and not a fat bird with back problems

ark 1 quetzal so disappointing

[thick moat]

chonky quetz

[orchid apex]

imagine they remove taming and riding

[thick moat]

if they do it will be partially

[orchid apex]

if they did that then the game would die

[polar trellis]

somewhere was info we going for example find baby dino and raise it

[thick moat]

yeah dynamic event system

you could help a wounded dino too

[orchid apex]

I wonder when in 2023 we’ll get ark

[polar trellis]

im sure they goes crazy with unique taming system no 90% population just tranq taming

[orchid apex]

ark 2*

[thick moat]

it would feel more natural than sleeping them and putting food forcefully while they sleep lol

[thick moat]

thisss

[orchid apex]

they already have started that

with the last few ark 1 creatures they have released, they have all had unique taming methods

[polar trellis]

february-June-december or delayed to 2024 lol

[orchid apex]

they already delayed it to 2023

people would be mad

[polar trellis]

yea but who know, in my opinion we got this in 2023 because we got an early acess not full game

[orchid apex]

I would assume June 2023

thats when they released ark 1, and thats when the jurassic park films come out ig

But then again, i cant imagine them barely doing any reveals and the game coming out 7 months from now

[polar trellis]

gameplay trailer next week we will see hows it is

[orchid apex]

It better be good bruh

I’m actually so excited for that man

[thick moat]

same, i have never been so excited for a game

[polar trellis]

me to. excited but little afraid

[orchid apex]

i was waaaay more excited for genesis 2

Idk why

[thick moat]

gen 2 was kinda a flop for me

[orchid apex]

I loved it

[thick moat]

the trailers seemed like something different

[orchid apex]

I was a bit disappointed about the voidwyrm being a regular wyvern

[thick moat]

idk having a full tek suit ruined it, I thought they would be lowered versions of it

[polar trellis]

i was disappointed in eden zone like lack of variety 😛

[orchid apex]

I feel that

[orchid apex]

Nah eden ring has alot of variety bruh

[polar trellis]

one big biome bruh

[thick moat]

yeah it seemed like you were in very similar places because of the same colour palette

[orchid apex]

oh thought you meant creature variety mb

[orchid apex]

but i mean, we knew that before it came out

[thick moat]

thought the ship and ring idea is the best out of all dlc maps

it's very beautiful

[orchid apex]

rockwell’s garden is beautiful though

[thick moat]

yy and the rockwell innards biome

[robust furnace]

wish it had more biome variety

[robust furnace]

since manas do not fit in the garden

[orchid apex]

Shadowmanes fit the best inside garden tho

[robust furnace]

fr

[polar trellis]

isn't this funny that people think ark 2 going to be dark souls due to we got and dodge button 😅

[orchid apex]

if ark is gonna be like dark souls

i’m just gonna stick to ark 1 ngl

[thick moat]

it's just the combat chill

the combat is inspired

[orchid apex]

not just the combat, the third person only mode aswell

also lock-on combat aswel

[thick moat]

you don't have traversal mechanics on souls though

it's just a mix and matches of other ideas

they won't make it boss focused

[polar trellis]

souls-like combat doesn't mean we got an ark souls

we just got dodge button like conan

[thick moat]

hope they don't add iframes vs dinos though lol

[orchid apex]

they did say that ark 2 will be a multiplayer sandbox just like ark 1 is

so im happy for that

[thick moat]

imagine just rolling over a rex bite, weird asf

[polar trellis]

xd

[thick moat]

y :D

[orchid apex]

i cant wait for thursday

[polar trellis]

dodging is for those orc's enemies not dinos

[orchid apex]

and i hope its not just a 1 minute trailer

i want a good look on what ark 2 is gonna be like, its been too long

[thick moat]

same, they just gave us little hints

they are being to cryptic

[orchid apex]

i want a good 2-3 min trailer, with lots of details

but ik its too good to be true

[polar trellis]

yea some structures,combat new creatures and our favourite dino ride

[orchid apex]

what is our fav dino ride, rex?

[polar trellis]

every rideable creature lol

[orchid apex]

was gonna say, rex kinda boring

[polar trellis]

be wary rex fans are everywhere 💀

[thick moat]

i mean it's very overused, it's very normal to think they are boring at this point xd

[polar trellis]

at least rex got new looks in ark 2

[vernal spindle]

Looking at that anklo concept it seems like there are extra spikes where a saddle would be…. Maybe in ark 2 wildcard will try and push away from dinos and more towards foot/hand to hand combat.

As long as ARK 2 doesn’t have any form of in-game transactions then I will gladly spend another 7 years playing.

[fallow niche]

Well, you'll be happy to see this then. @vernal spindle

[open aspen]

I think the dino combat was supposed to be majorly overhauled. Perhaps we'll see overall less rideable tames as a result, limiting it to mostly "combat" tames only

[untold ingot]

I kind of doubt that tbh

[untold totem]

Just no

We are riderless dinos away from Conan tbh

Riding and collecting tames is the main pitch of the game

Stuff like building and combat is just typical sandbox survival stuff

[dense edge]

oh hey Mazda, didn't know u were here

[shrewd roost]

So ark 2 reveal next week?

[untold ingot]

The only thing we know is that the next one is gameplay, we dont know when it is going to be

[split dove]

Could be next week, nothing confirmed besides that the next news should be gameplay

[potent hull]

the game play is of you Flobs make it a good ark 2 game play ok lol

[velvet verge]

Whens this out for xbox

?

[split dove]

2 minutes of gameplay with the ark 2 theme made up off Santiago grunts

[split dove]

Sometime next year, pc and box (current Gen only) have the early access launch at the same time and day 1 on gamepass

[velvet verge]

So it won't work on my xbox one s

[split dove]

it will only be on the new series X and S, so the game isn't as held back by the older consoles

[iron sequoia]

Just thinking about that hurts my head

[split dove]

You're welcome 🤞

[thick moat]

That's the best thing that could happen to ARK 2 👍

[signal tundra]

hamter excited for ark 2 noises

[mortal kestrel]

well no, mounted combat is still a thing (I mean we literally see vindiago riding a rex with meeka)

I think wildcard is just giving the game more depth is all, to avoid the whole "oh no I dont have a dino, guess Im useless now" shtick ark has going on rn

[iron sequoia]

I hope there is more variation
Anky example
Can find ones with bigger spikes, some with broken ones or missing
Instead of the real only difference being colour

[split dove]

iirc Kairuku and Dinopithecus are the only ark 1 creatures that spawn at different maturity states. And only some other creatures have varying model differences between gender and that's really it

[prisma pike]

You can kidnap their babies from the wild with maewings lol

[split dove]

Perry the kidnapping platypus

[iron sequoia]

Yea

[ripe marsh]

praying for size variation 🤞

[blissful perch]

I’d rather have age variation and that’s it

I don’t want to play a game of “guess the species” because two variant shaped creatures of different species happen to look similar

[ripe marsh]

how would age variation work and besides that they def have to set a limit of how big or small it can spawn

[blissful perch]

How would it work? You’d have babies juveniles and adults in a herd?

Or you’d have nesting sites with adults eggs and babies, etc etc

[prisma pike]

Crystal wyverns lol

[blissful perch]

tru

[ripe marsh]

oh lmao i was thinking something else entirely

[tropic crag]

There's plenty of other ways that things can look different and not be confusing, like the previously mentioned anky spikes being differently sized or broken, maybe even differently placed depending on the creature for added cool points. Things that can be specific on a per dino basis

[blissful perch]

sounds like a lotta artistic effort I'd rather see on animation complexity and new creatures

and ofc those exact same characteristics can't be used to indicate damage/health or other elements of a creature. For example in monster hunter part breaks often show visually on a monster...so natural variation of a trait would prevent WC from using something like say broken spikes to indicate damage

[glass stag]

will ark 2 rly be a third person pvp game?

[blissful perch]

third person yes

pvp? No more so than ark 1 is pvp. PvE will almost assuredly remain supported

[glass stag]

oh

[winged dome]

I wonder how dynamic damage will affect tamed creatures over time? Maybe tanky creatures like Stegos or Trikes lose defensive ability over time as they get worn down or something - and if there's a way to restore a creature to original status

[blissful perch]

I don’t think that’s what dynamic damage is

Dynamic damage here seems to refer to hit zones and perhaps part damage like in monster hunter

I don’t think it refers to “maintenance” damage

[winged dome]

Well, in Monster Hunter if parts take enough damage then they break which changes that area's damage weaknesses

Horns break off a Diabolos which makes it slower and its staple charge attacks slower and have more delay

Look, I just want an open world survival crafting Monster Hunter with taming and base building

[blissful perch]

Same

[blissful perch]

All true. I’m curious if ark 2 wants to move into MH level complexity. I suspect it can’t because there’s so many more creatures but maybe I’m mistaken

[nocturne raptor]

Ark says gameplay for now, the game play will last 5 seconds and be a cinematic and not the actual thing

[oak crystal]

I know that anything they showcase right now isn't going to quench the thirst we all are having for this damn game. Yet if they show any simulated gameplay, that's going to be a big disappointment.

[blissful perch]

Disagree: simulated gameplay that shows a new alien creature would be very interesting

[oak crystal]

True, seeing the new Gen 2 kitty during that trailer was "interesting". But again if it's simulated, Cmon do better.. Give us some details. Heck, show us how the damn dodo walks around in the new world. Is it going to be the same mechanics? Or is it going to do something new?

[lime forge]

I feel like you’re fabricating an issue here

[oak crystal]

No issues, no worries. We just having a discussion about a game.

[blissful perch]

I don’t see why we need a gameplay trailer for that

I learned a ton from reading details. So a simulation with a new creature and some written info is almost a best case scenario for me

[oak crystal]

true

[granite lynx]

true

[past wind]

Anyone who reads that “update from our Studio Founders” will find Ark 2 will be all they have envisioned for Ark 1

They talk a lot about new mechanics and Unreal Engine 5 and all its new features

[blissful perch]

The update from founders has been key intel for sure

[split dove]

especially for the world events, creature management systems, world map and new dino visual dmg impact

[woven shuttle]

i want deinonychus in ark 2

i have a soft spot for them

[past wind]

I wouldn’t hold my breath… but the new raptor might be more functional this time

They can’t release the base game with all creatures they released for the first game over the last seven years

And already having a raptor with feathers indicates to me a Deino isn’t plausible

[woven shuttle]

fair point

[lime forge]

Not adding deinonychus would be a missed opportunity imo. They’re a fan favorite for sure. Not to mention with all the new mechanics why wouldn’t they add a favorite climbing tame?

[woven shuttle]

you know what they could do, add climbing to the raptor

🧠

[nocturne raptor]

"Ark gameplay" shows 1 dino being eaten alive by a dilo and leave it at that "stay tuned for next month😁"

[past wind]

My thoughts: the new raptor will be both.

Hence why they don’t need to add another very similar creature

[lime forge]

I’d rather have the actual deinonychus than just upgraded raptors.

[tropic crag]

Ark 1 suffered imo because of how many dinos wee just kinda useless once you got others, the raptor/deinonychus dynamic being a prime example

Same with the plesiosaurus and mosa

[past wind]

I get it, but I don’t think they would bring 2 Dinos this similar day one. Also they kinda made the raptor more closer to the deino. Which makes me think it might be able to fit currents Deino role. But that’s just me.

[tropic crag]

I'd personally rather not have redundant tames, and just consolidate uses into one

Raptor is, of course, the winner there, as everyone knows what a raptor is

[lime forge]

There’s no way they’re gonna fill an entire world with fauna and not have any redundant tames.

[tropic crag]

Raptors were very smart too, I don't see climbing being completely out of their wheelhouse

[tropic crag]

How so?

[past wind]

Maybe in future DLCs they can bring more diversity to the game. But for the base game, I don’t think it would be possible.

[lime forge]

That’s just not how things work. Something is gonna be superior and the rest in its niche are gonna fall into redundancy.

[tropic crag]

That's not at all what I'm talking about

[lime forge]

The only way around this is gonna be to have a single tame for every purpose

[past wind]

Raptor was useless on Ark 1, so they made some visual changes to it and might have made some changes features wise.

[tropic crag]

If there's a giga, sure, it'll be the best meat gathering tame and you won't really need carnos or raptors to do that; but that's not the feature we're talking about. An early game, light tame that could climb is more useful in traversal and stealth than a giga

[lime forge]

The raptor wasn’t useless due to visuals though.

[tropic crag]

No shit

[past wind]

Not my point…

[lime forge]

I’m not really sure what you’re getting at here. Why are we comparing a giga and a raptor?

[past wind]

My point is makes no sense to put two visually similar tames ON A GAME, with two different roles.

[lime forge]

Why wouldn’t it?

[lime forge]

You really think everything should be shoehorned into a single tame?

[past wind]

It’s a game afterall. They rather focus on model and build creatures that are far different. Both visually and features.

[tropic crag]

The crux here, too though, is that if the players want redundant tames, they'll make redundant tames. That's just how it works. And being an early access release, they'll more than likely take a few suggestions (or even hold votes, 2015 style) on what people want added to the game

[past wind]

Everything? Who said everything? But mixing deinos and raptors roles makes sense.

[lime forge]

That’s not good route to go in a game like Ark that’s main focus is on the creatures and taming. You’ll end up with “pets” like WoW, with 3 actual pets and 1000 different skins for them.

[past wind]

Because they can put an X number of creatures. Time limits, budget limits. It would be rather to spend time and money on the right things.

[past wind]

I don’t know man. No one would ask deinos if raptors filled in that gap.

They are already visually similar. They just need to add deinos features.

[lime forge]

The main part of the game is taming creatures. Spending time and money on them is “the right things”

[past wind]

That’s why they will probably release dlcs

To add more creatures

But the base game has time/money constraints

[tropic crag]

"That’s just not how things work. Something is gonna be superior and the rest in its niche are gonna fall into redundancy." says, to me, that once you get a tame that does something better (i.e. a giga over a raptor for the purposes of meat gathering) then you'll drop the old tame altogether, which is something I want to avoid. Breeding up a line of raptors just for them to become useless once you get a giga is something that harms the game imo, because you'll never use raptors again and all that development time and designing spent on them is just wasted.

[tropic crag]

But that's the thing; people are going to. It's inevitable.

[past wind]

Dlcs will work for that

[tropic crag]

That's what we're trying to avoid, wat

[lime forge]

I don’t think that’s gonna be as big of an issue in Ark 2. I think the dens that they mentioned are gonna give use to smaller, early game tames.

[lime forge]

That’s literally what he’s suggesting should be done with raptors and deinonychus.

[lavish rain]

Medium tames will still be useless, there's no use for a medium Dino, people always skip from raptor to Rex and skip carno

[past wind]

They will be able to add all the creatures from Ark 1, you think?

They will have to choose what worth their time or not

[tropic crag]

I have no idea where/how that says early game tames are going to be used for meaningful functions late-game, but ok I guess

[past wind]

Having two very similar creatures isn’t time well spent. Like I said, they rather just add more features into the raptor.

[lime forge]

Able to? Yeah. There’s no real reason they couldn’t. With UE5 anything Ark 1 could handle Ark 2 should do better. Will they? I doubt it. But there’s no reason they shouldn’t bring crowd favorites forward with us.

[lavish rain]

I think early game should become obsolete

Do you use a campfire once you get a grill? No.

[tropic crag]

Having raptors and deinonychus would be exactly what you described, so idk then 🤷‍♂️

[lime forge]

Early game should and likely will but entire size classes of shouldn’t become useless

[past wind]

I’m not talking about UE5 capabilities, but the devs capabilities to bring things they took seven years to develop into the base game.

[tropic crag]

You have little idea of what we speak, I promise you

[lime forge]

No. Combining all the deinonychus abilities into a raptor and then removing deinonychus is what I was describing.

[lavish rain]

Maewings are small, but are arguably the most useful tamesin the game

[tropic crag]

I thought that's what we were defending the idea of

I'm lost

[lime forge]

Yes. The devs are more than capable of bringing any tame and any number of tames forward with them. There’s no reason crowd favorites would need to be left behind because “we have raptors at home”

[lavish rain]

Paddy needs to sober up

You are making 0 sense

[tropic crag]

The way the community talks about WC begs to differ, they seem to think they're incapable of anything even close to that 🤣

[lime forge]

Read the conversation

[past wind]

They aren’t of course. I think no studio, even AAA ones, can’t do that.

It’s not just throwing dinos into the new game. 😂

[tropic crag]

I know, just being devil's advocate because I know a lot of the community likes to think that Wildcard are the game company equivalent of like Blockbuster

[lavish rain]

In terms of irrelevance, they sure are

Pepper 🌶

[tropic crag]

They're more relevant in the gaming sphere than you are

I don't remember hearing about your multi-million dollar game

[lavish rain]

Schitzo moment

[tropic crag]

Assuredly

[mellow wadi]

L

[tropic crag]

Damn it

Was trying to spell windows 10

[mellow wadi]

o..

Ark 2 W

lol

dead end

[lime forge]

You were defending the idea of just rolling all abilities from two different tames into one and removing the other. I was saying that’s gonna do nothing but accomplish what blizz did with pets in WoW and completely destroy the entire concept.

[mellow wadi]

Imagine talking abt ark 2 in #ark-2

just bad

This chat is where u spam W Ark 2 and react to my comments. Nothing else:)

[tropic crag]

Well, no, I was defending the idea that we shouldn't have redundant tames (aka the raptor, in the case of Ark 1 post-deinonychus) and stating that the raptor is essentially the same thing design-wise, but more widely recognized by people who know about/like dinosaurs, hence rolling the deinon's abilities into the more marketable creature (which, again, is pretty much the same thing)

[past wind]

What if this is a Deino, but they decided to call it a raptor?! It’s cool to you?

[tropic crag]

Fair, it could be a deinonychus, they haven't officially stated that it is, in fact, a raptor 🤣

[lime forge]

No. It’s not, the deinonychus and the raptor have always been 2 separate tames why would I want them all rolled together all of a sudden?

[past wind]

Because the raptor is useless

[lime forge]

That’s how things in Ark 1 work, not how they have to work in Ark 2.

[past wind]

Oh boy…

I give up

[lime forge]

Is that common for you when people disagree?

[tropic crag]

Making them different just for the sake of being different is literally what you were saying you didn't want

Like what

[past wind]

No, it’s just we are going nowhere here

[lime forge]

That’s not something I ever said

[tropic crag]

.

It kinda is bro

[past wind]

Id rather have a new alien creature than having two similar Dinos. That’s my whole point here.

[lime forge]

Re-read that. WoW did what Charlie is suggesting. I never said I want that. Your comprehension failed you.

[tropic crag]

Ok, clearly this'll go nowhere

👋

[lime forge]

Look I can’t help it if you guys just want to argue and not read and comprehend

[past wind]

It goes both ways 😂

[nocturne raptor]

No bro, ark is gonna add a 1 second video of ark2 with cinematics and leave the rest for us to decide

[tropic crag]

I never said you wanted that either, so it seems we're at an impasse in abilities of understanding

But anyways

[lime forge]

Right here you did

[tropic crag]

reads the quote
says "you didn't want"
mfw

[lime forge]

I know what you’re saying. I just disagree with it. I think it’s an ignorant way to go about a game like Ark that will end with very little variance between tames and bring nothing good to the table.

[split dove]

even tho i don't agree completely, no matter what there will always be something similar or better than creature x, and eventually creature x will be replaced by creature y

[mortal kestrel]

I do think some "filler" tames are good, to make the environment feel alive

I say filler in quotes because I want every tame to be viable if I put work into making it good, but obviously making every tame have a purpose would be quite limiting because its hard to make everything have a unique purpose

or things will have overlapping purposes and only one of those said things would be actually relevant while the rest would be redundant anyway

so basically, yes filler bad

but its also necessary and in some cases, inevitable, but thats fine as long as its the exception and not the norm like in ark

arks biggest issue with creature design isnt the filler in my humble opinion

its the games tendency to make one tame better than the rest... the best example of this would be stryders, why even have an anky or a doed or a theri, when a stryder does everything they can do, and do it better at that

am I saying raptors should be able to 1v1 a rex as a fresh tame? no Im not

I am saying that the raptors purpose shouldnt be straight up damage like a rexes, and should instead be mobility and status effects, so it clearly has a use despite the rex being so much more powerful

[lime forge]

I think a good way to fix that would be adding content that caters to different creatures. For example take stryders and every other harvester, at the base of a mountain the stryder is gonna be superior in every way. But if there were resources that could only be harvested from caves that something like anky could fit in, that would bring relevance to the anky for the entire line of progression.

[calm scaffold]

There will never be tames that are always relevant ez

Next subject

[past wind]

And I think you are ignoring the fact that resources are limited and WC has to make choices. Putting time on two very similar dinos isn’t wise. Working on both will drag resources they would use creating another creature. But well, this subject was already discussed enough. Now I will wait and see what they will do.

[lime forge]

Rexes, Theri, and shadowmane are relevant day 1 all the way to alpha Rockwell prime

[calm scaffold]

So they became irrelevant after Rockwell prime

[lime forge]

Yes. They become irrelevant after you beat the game. The same way the Master Sword becomes irrelevant after you defeat Ganon. Lol

[calm scaffold]

Beating Rockwell doesn't mean I just turn ark off and quit the server like

[past wind]

It basically does, if you play pve

Pvp you can raid people forever

[mortal kestrel]

not really, people dont really play pve for the story, its usually for the servers community and building

[lime forge]

Whether you keep playing or not you’ve beat the game.

[winged dome]

🍿

[mortal kestrel]

though really, it sounds more like they havent thought their argument through enough and realized you have a point they are unable to rebuke

[fallow niche]

Back on topic please

[lime forge]

Yes Mrs. Bee…

[fallow niche]

[mortal kestrel]

ark is a sandbox game so it doesnt really matter if you've beaten the game, considering 90% of arks content is endgame anyway

considering arkII is also a sandbox, I'd expect to see similar logic there as well, however I hope arkII will actually have more indepth content in the early and midgame so you dont feel pressured to rush to end game to experience all the fun stuff, so to speak

[thick moat]

spitting facts ong

[digital sonnet]

yall think rock drakes gonna make it in?

[mortal kestrel]

yes and no

[digital sonnet]

they werent on the gen ship yes

[lime forge]

I’m praying they do

[digital sonnet]

same

[thick moat]

all aberration and scorched creatures would be nice, after ext im not so sure..

ill miss Wyverns

[mortal kestrel]

to be more clear, rockdrakes are one of the most popular creatures in all of ark, so there's no way they dont make it in from a marketing perspective

however, I do believe they wont make it in as they are currently, I fully expect to see some changes to the creatures design, or maybe even an entirely new creature all together that fills the rockdrakes role as a mobile stealth assassin

[digital sonnet]

yeah thats what i think too , most people see them as the overall best tame in terms of travel, combat and other stuff ratio

so it would be bad not to include them

[mortal kestrel]

they are a pretty solid all around tame, yes

[digital sonnet]

a new fresh design overhaul for them would be very nice

[lavish rain]

Drakes are weak

[mortal kestrel]

but that wasnt what they were originally meant for

[thick moat]

yeah drakes on melee are pretty wack

they are just good at travel and how beautiful they look

[digital sonnet]

i wouldnt say so

ive bred mine to have decent melee

around 3.5K

[mortal kestrel]

drakes were originally supposed to be, as I described them, an extremely mobile assassin creature with stealth capabilities, which they filled extremely well pre-extinction

[thick moat]

yeah a dodo with 3.5k can do a lot of dmg xd

[lime forge]

One change I’m really hoping to see is a massive nerf to stamina recovery on ridden tames, especially flyers. I think making it closer to an actual beast of burden needing real time to recover after a ride would do well to nerf the game breaking ability flyers currently bring.

[thick moat]

in terms of vanilla settings drakes dont do much damage, and attack realtively slowly

[mortal kestrel]

rockdrake melee is unique, their bite happens continously, so you can run and hit a line of creatures with the same bite animation

[iron sequoia]

[lime forge]

There’s the OG sip icon we all know and love

[mortal kestrel]

however a rockdrakes damage actually comes from its pounce, it does damage as it travels through a target, this means the pounces dps actually rivals a lightning wyverns when fighting larger creatures

[thick moat]

or more danger on the skies

[thick moat]

???? wait what

[mortal kestrel]

whatever they do for the rockdrake in arkII, I hope it keeps its pounce

[thick moat]

you mean the dash when u are gliding?

[mortal kestrel]

you know the move that makes you dash towards a wall? thats called a pounce

[thick moat]

yh ik

[mortal kestrel]

it does damage, and has one of the highest knockbacks in the game

[thick moat]

dont remember it doing much dmg

[iron sequoia]

Or simply no drake in ark2

[mortal kestrel]

I sincerely doubt rockdrakes wont make it to arkII in some form

[digital sonnet]

[lime forge]

I hope you make a bowl of cereal and eat half of it before you realize the milk is sour

[thick moat]

lol

[digital sonnet]

itd be nice if rock drakes got a pounce like deinonychus with those giant giant claws

[mortal kestrel]

I also doubt wyverns wont make it to arkII, for similar reasons as rockdrakes

but of course, they'd probably be entirely redesigned to better fit with the games environment

[thick moat]

maybe with some dlcs

[digital sonnet]

imagine if theyd add them and make them look like got wyvernsss

[mortal kestrel]

eh? I personally dont like the game of thrones wyvern design, too much neck

[thick moat]

is it a wyvern? I remember it was a dragon

[digital sonnet]

ark wyvernss have a longer neck tbw

[mortal kestrel]

I'd rather see wyverns in arkII be really small, about the size of your average car perhaps

[thick moat]

no idea though

[digital sonnet]

theres many types of dragons

wyverns have a pair of wings and a pair of legs

[mortal kestrel]

a wyvern is a dragon, a dragon isnt a wyvern

its like how rectangles are squares but squares arent rectangles

[thick moat]

yeah I mean the usual 4 legged dragon

[mortal kestrel]

game of thrones had wyverns, not dragons

[lime forge]

I think if pounces are gonna be a thing there should be a way to escape them. Perhaps the rider pushes a sequence of buttons and the victim has to get so close to matching it to break free.

[mortal kestrel]

arkII has a dodge confirmed

just dodge the pounce 4head

[lime forge]

laughs in aberrant raptor

[thick moat]

iframes are gonna be scary to see how they balance it

[mortal kestrel]

to be fair, they never said the dodge will have iframes

[thick moat]

hope it doesnt count towards dino's basic attacks

dark souls inspired though, it may be the case

[mortal kestrel]

they just said the game would have a dodge

[mortal kestrel]

Im expecting the combat to be more comparable to monster hunter to be honest

[thick moat]

I hope so

[mortal kestrel]

it would be neat to see if the dodge had maybe only a milisecond of iframes at the start, but you can upgrade that with the skill tree later maybe

probably using that second skill point thing they mentioned instead of your standard skill points you get for whatever arkII will do for leveling up

[thick moat]

atlas skill tree pretty much

but better

[winged dome]

Monster Hunter has pretty crazy I-Frames

[stoic raptor]

You said that the wrong way around lol

[ripe marsh]

namely the superman dive, the normal dodges don't have that much

[blissful perch]

And/or the missions

[winged dome]

With skills, even the normal rolls can be very forgiving - but yeah the dive is an extreme case 😂

[ripe marsh]

oh yea true

[blissful perch]

90% of ark 1’s content is breeding, let’s not get hasty

[ripe marsh]

forgor about those skills

[blissful perch]

As for creatures…y’all are forgetting that a creature can have ecological value even if it’s not a fantastic tame

[crystal dragon]

when this game getting released lmao

[blissful perch]

Take boas: trash tame, but very valuable for immersion and the swamp ecosystem

[mortal kestrel]

shhh, we dont talk about what goes on in the basement

[mortal kestrel]

yes

[mortal kestrel]

no I didnt

[stoic raptor]

the squares and rectangles part

[oak crystal]

You leave Boa's out of this.. ;P

[mellow wadi]

LOL

i breed 90% of ark’s breeders:O

[stray elm]

You breed the breeders?

[mint swan]

Yes

[pulsar zinc]

bro in ark 2 well servers will come bro

??

[stray elm]

Game isn't even out yet.

[pulsar zinc]

mmmm

noo bro i am asking is servers option is there

[untold ingot]

The game is not out, there is no info as to how it will work yet

[pulsar zinc]

mm i will wait

[mint swan]

Ark 2 is so fun

The new brachio looks sick

[crystal dust]

image if the story of ark would finish like "hey! Yourname is awakening! C'mon bro, i thought that you were gone" and we discover that is a person in a coma

[ember oracle]

Ced did say it’s still gonna be 3rd person only still as of rn

Tweeted that yesterday

[fallow niche]

They've said many times that it will not have 1st person in vanilla.

[stoic raptor]

bruhh

[split dove]

if the game is designed for third person than it might not work well in first person and you play ark 1 in third person more than you think. plus the fact we don't even know how it will look like yet, it should hopefully be better than the ark 1 player third person toggle mode and it will take time to get used to, as is with change and new things

[thick moat]

Yes ark 2 is similar in that sense, it will still hold the survival sandbox multiplayer part

[past wind]

Like Cedric said, not everyone will like it, BUT we better wait and see how it looks/plays.

[mint swan]

lol Ark 1 third person O_o

[split dove]

yup, we can't really give a final opinion until we see it in action now can we?

[fierce berry]

ark 2 is going to have dlcs like genesis ab , ext , se?

[split dove]

right now we don't know that, but there probably will be dlcs after it's early access launch

[fierce berry]

i hope yes because like aberration genesis bring so much to the game

[past wind]

Or before that 🤔

Scorched came before final launch

[past wind]

Ab and Gen are in the past. I’m sure they will bring them back in any form

[fierce berry]

yes but in ark 1 like they added that alien theme and i think its best thing that they add

[past wind]

I’m sure Arat will have things that will ressemble Gen and Ab.

We won’t see the map itself, but some of their features

[fierce berry]

i would like yeah and in the trailer ptero are so diferent

and the new design of the ankylo im getting crazy to play

[past wind]

I actually liked a lot the new one lol

[fierce berry]

i like it to but for what we see from the ark 1 its a big update you know

[split dove]

just curious what the saddle will look like

[past wind]

Yeah

[blissful perch]

You ride bareback. I will not elaborate

[split dove]

i will just grab the spikes and go to town smacking rocks

[fierce berry]

that anky its so crazy

the design for this dinos are so improved and better

[past wind]

After 7 years, it will look better no matter what 😂

Even the Dinos that went through TLCs look better

[fierce berry]

i dont understand something like we all know we have multiplayer servers everyone is going to be vin diesel

[past wind]

Our guess here is Vin Diesel will be an NPC

[split dove]

it'd be a waste of the metahuman system from Unreal 5 if everyone is Vin Diesel, wouldn't it?

[past wind]

Definitely

[fierce berry]

like we are playing in a server and there are like 40 vin diesel 😂

[split dove]

and we've already seen different player models in the first teaser, would be weird if they don't use them

[past wind]

I’m 99% sure we will be able to customize our chars. I’d say it will have even more options than now, like body painting and tattoos.

[split dove]

no longer will you be forced to repaint when you respawn again

[past wind]

That 😂

Atlas already had a lot more options back in 2019

[mint swan]

Ark 2 will be for mobile

?¿

[split dove]

nope, only pc and xbox at launch and playstation later on

[winged dome]

Not until someone decides to port it

[lime forge]

Is it true Ark 2 will always be hardcore mode and every time you die you start over at level 1?

[split dove]

i thought it was gonna be a adventure story game, but wildcard never shares info so i wouldn't know either

[mint swan]

😔

[lime forge]

Yeah. I heard it’s gonna be single player story and only be multiplayer with mods

[split dove]

they really are redefining the survival experience with Multiplayer being modded in

[unborn galleon]

Modded doesnt apply to officials multiplayer online

Unless is a graphic texture mod?

[split dove]

oh yeah we know, we're just messing around as usual, and Unreal engine 5 is the texture mod

[past wind]

Don’t you think people are already crazy enough?

[split dove]

ark players are already crazy enough, you think i want these crazy people even more crazy?

[past wind]

Definitely

[thick moat]

BRUH i thought yall were actually serious saying it was an action adventure game lmaoo

[split dove]

d dd did you look at the ss steam page yet?

[thick moat]

nn oo Ooo

[split dove]

yy you p probably sh should

[thick moat]

ff or ss uuu re

[stoic raptor]

I doubt it. There is literally a tribe of people in the trailer.

[mint swan]

who'd you hear that from? sauce for that?

[past wind]

Hes crearly trolling

[past wind]

Sauce? Sour cream!

[stoic raptor]

that is quite literally not a sauce

[lime forge]

I am in fact crearly trolling. It’s an inside joke.

[mint swan]

As long as we get detail as good as Gen 1 i'll be happy ^^

[past wind]

Man, spend some time with your friends/family.

It can have a nice cave system.

They probably thought about it since day one

[fallow niche]

They've said it in two other channels, it can stay in those. It isn't relevant to this one.

[past wind]

We should be compensated for all that annoyance. Release the gameplay today, please.

[mellow wadi]

Yes

[fallow niche]

Can we not

[past wind]

If they don’t release the gameplay today, it’s your fault.

[lime forge]

Vin is not breedable. Seek professional help.

Confirmed

[orchid apex]

on a real note tho, i wonder what santiago’s role would be in the game

[tropic crag]

NPC/quest giver, I imagine? Since those are all but confirmed

[split dove]

he's part of the story, but besides that and maybe a NPC like Bruising said i don't think he will do a whole lot else

[past wind]

Something like all Ark 1 main characters. But Santiago will probably have a more important role now being added as an NPC. My educated guess.

[small pollen]

I'm hoping that it will be really hard to get a flying tame to begin with.

It would be cool if the map was really tall with different levels and all the flyers hang around at the top so you have to make a big journey to climb up and reach them.

[past wind]

I think it will be as hard as it was on Ark 1 back 2015

You would take some time to be able to fly because you needed lvl and some resources

My advice, if you want something hard, go play on officials

[mint swan]

Flyers need to be balanced in Ark 2. A lot of work needs to be done to make sure they doing spoil the game... again.

[small pollen]

I'm too scared to play on official ._.

[past wind]

Well… unnofficials are usually easier

They will balance the game for official rates/settings

[small pollen]

I like playing with my family and friends and making the settings hard that way.

I suppose I could try it... 😩

[untold ingot]

I like that idea a lot

Make it super difficult to climb up the whole way too

[tropic crag]

Make it like the inverse situation of the rock drakes, but it's literally all the flyers, they're all up on the floaty rock business

Sounds good to me

Kinda sounds a bit like the trial for the flying things in Avatar, too 😂

You gotta earn it

[small pollen]

Yeah I think that would be awesome. In the trailer at first they are in a thick forest type place and then at the end they come out into an open space that looks high up and you see flyers there which makes sense.

[small pollen]

😮 it would be good if we did that in ark 2 and Vin was the one to train us!

[ripe marsh]

I agree. I also want this to extend to Apexes, that way getting one is truly a great feat

[lime forge]

So like how they got their flyers in the movie Avatar?

[small pollen]

Kinda. I just meant that they are high up and hard to get to really. 🙂

Would you like more customization for your characters or not bothered? They should put a bit more into it if it's third person. The blue body paint and tattoos look cool.

[lime forge]

Flyers should definitely be hard to get. I’m hoping there’s a skill required to actually tame and ride them to restrict it closer to endgame.

[orchid apex]

they’re already doing acharacter customisation overhaul

[small pollen]

Oh! I've missed that..

[lime forge]

More customization is a must have imo. And I don’t mean just different shape goblins like we can currently make. I’d like to see something closer to Skyrim’s character customization

[orchid apex]

lol

i just really want the quetzal to look good, ark 1’s quetzal looks shit

i love quetzals

[small pollen]

Yeah they are cool. I always thought they looked.. stiff??? Lol

[south lance]

most of the older creatures look kinda goofy

[orchid apex]

they should stand upright, not bent over

and they need to be more slender, not robust

[small pollen]

Fingers crossed they get a revamp for you 🙏

[south lance]

itd fuck up platform saddles but i dont think those should be a thing in ark2

[small pollen]

No saddles?

[south lance]

i dont want platform saddles

[small pollen]

Oooh

[lime forge]

But the bronto battleship is iconic….

[south lance]

maybe if there wasnt so much clipping theyd be ok

bronto is fine maybe

[orchid apex]

i dont mind platform saddles existing, but only on very massive sauropods, not flyers

[small pollen]

I always thought it would be cool if utility dinos could be commanded to get rock, wood etc rather than riding them.

[orchid apex]

it just looks stupid to see a house on a pterosaur

[lime forge]

Yeah flyer weight needs to be nerfed into the dirt

[small pollen]

Like a training system with dinos bit I don't know if that's too complex lol

[south lance]

praying for dino automation

[small pollen]

But*

[south lance]

i dont wanna play farm sim

[orchid apex]

I also hope you can interact with creatures more, and creatures have more needs

like sleeping, drinking water etc

[south lance]

i dont want that at all

i hate thirst in general

sleeping might be cool if theres sufficient nocturnal creatures

and taming >breeding overall

[orchid apex]

not just nocturnal

[small pollen]

Lol it would only be a small part of the game. I really like looking after and raising dinos 😊😊

[orchid apex]

all creatures should be able to sleep

[south lance]

i do not want to rely on 2 entire sets of dinos just to play the whole time

[small pollen]

Yeah!!! They just stand there 😦

[orchid apex]

Exactly

[south lance]

i like to think they sleep in the cryos

[winged dome]

There's a mod to sorta do this - you could set waypoints for gathering dinos and they walk the route and gather resources automatically, fun to mess around with

[lime forge]

We have to take our tames to the watering holes and fight predators off to get them all taken care of

[winged dome]

I remember having a base up a big switchback ramp and having a doed walk down, gather stone, and walk back up

[orchid apex]

there also needs to be babies wandering around with their parents in the wild, sorta like the dinopithecus

[small pollen]

😮 cool! I'll be playing ark 2 on xbox pc gamepass so I can still play with friends. It's so cool we will have mods now on xbox.

[lime forge]

Would be a win in my book

[small pollen]

I noticed they added them to the dino discovery game >.>

Maybe it's a sign....

[orchid apex]

Idk man, i guess we’ll see on thursday

[small pollen]

🤞🤞🤞

[winged dome]

No guarantees we get anything on Thurs, but that's a hope

[orchid apex]

it’s a guarantee

[small pollen]

We can dream 🥲

[orchid apex]

Theres a pc gaming show, that are showcasing many games

Its not wildcard’s ETA

If it was, then we might aswell hope for 2024

[lime forge]

It’s not a guarantee

Love the enthusiasm though

[orchid apex]

Okay we’ll see

[small pollen]

The bronto really needs a neck slide.... 🤔

[lavish rain]

If we don't that's a huge L

[orchid apex]

I have massive hope that it will happen on thursday, i think it’s a guarantee

[split dove]

the world events will have something like this with nests

[orchid apex]

But we’ll see

[lavish rain]

They want to play mind games with us and say next thing is gameplay and not announce anything to 6 months later

And be like "technically we stayed true to our word"

The fact the said anything period would imply it is soon

Not play mind games with us

[lime forge]

Elaborate?

[orchid apex]

Yeah, they’re gonna release gameplay footage on thursday

90% Guaranteed

[lavish rain]

They also wanna get technical and say "oh we weren't the ones showcasing, therefore we don't owe you gameplay"

Because that is 100% a wildcard thing to do

[orchid apex]

Yep

[small pollen]

Like a playground slide 😅

[orchid apex]

Genesis 2 was the worst one

It was supposed to be release in December 2020, and it got delayed by 6 months

[lime forge]

I think a tail slide would be better. I hate taking damage everytime I jump off lol

Ark 2 needs Astrodelphis

[iron sequoia]

[mighty lion]

Let me dig in ark 2

[small pollen]

Like digging in Valheim?

[mighty lion]

Hopefully alittle smoother, but same concept

[small pollen]

That would be cool especially for pvp.

[mighty lion]

Yeah, great for PVP and base building

[mint swan]

like 7 days to die. Ark would be really weird if you could do that ngl

[small pollen]

It was great being able to dig a basement under my house in valheim for all my smelters

[mighty lion]

Yah, but it would add a new aspect. I think everyone has build a pit trap only to learn those zombies could tunnel lol

[mint swan]

So true! would be interesting to see in some parallel universe. Dig a hole deep enough to put Ark 1's king titan in.

[winged dome]

Some form of terrain manipulation would be awesome

[small pollen]

With it being more primitive a water wheel would be cool to help power things or a giant hamster wheel for your dino to power something lol

[stoic raptor]

I just cant see the terrain editing being a thing wildcard would add. Think about it. The maps we have in ark1 can be meshed and exploited and you cant edit them at all. Imagine the amount of bugs.

[winged dome]

Different systems, different problems

[chilly vapor]

Gameplay in two hours!

[uneven flax]

hey

[stray elm]

When did they say this?

[chilly vapor]

I’m joking

[small pollen]

Don't do that to us...

[stray elm]

[chilly vapor]

Well might not be

[small pollen]

My heart 😢

[stray elm]

Is something going on in two hours anyway?

[chilly vapor]

Community crunch is out , Cedric was very wild on Twitter last night. WE ARE CLOSE

[stray elm]

Oooooooh

Right, I forgot it's CC day.

[chilly vapor]

Hopefully it’s not , I want it to be at one of the game events

[stray elm]

I doubt they'll show gameplay in a Community-Crunch.
They're probably saving it for a event

[chilly vapor]

Just a matter of which one!

Game awards is a while yet , so hope it’s not them

Saying that it’s only a few weeks now

[stray elm]

There's a event they're bucked for next week.
People say "they can just show the already existing trailers" for the event.
Which I can see.
But that'd defeat the purpose of Dollie's message saying 'The 'next' thing you'll see of ARK-2 is gameplay'
A rerun of a trailer would be considered 'the next thing' of ARK-2, no?

[chilly vapor]

With what dolly said, the next thing we see about ark 2 officially will be gameplay , probably a gameplay trailer

[stray elm]

Right.
But others think it'll just be a rerun of the two already existing trailers.
Which would defeat the message saying 'The next thing we share/talk about of ARK-2 is gameplay'

[tropic crag]

"We see your interest buuut...

the next time we talk about or share anything related to #ark-survival-ascended2, it will be gameplay (yay!)

figured you'd wanna see an old rock smashing buddy real quick tho😉"

Emphasis on WE

[small pollen]

Did you say there was a new crunch?

[chilly vapor]

Today yes

[stray elm]

In a few hours

[small pollen]

I can't see it hmmmmm

[stray elm]

'IN a few hours'

They notify the whole server when the Crunches release.

[small pollen]

Oh ok I got confused after this lol

[stray elm]

Lewis seems to be a slight troll

[chilly vapor]

What?

[small pollen]

Calm down lad

[chilly vapor]

I was responding to what’s happening in a few hours like I was asked?

[small pollen]

What would you wanna see? I really wanna see how the third person fighting mechanics look

[stray elm]

[small pollen]

And the climbing

[chilly vapor]

Ok that was a troll , but overall I’m not a troll 🧌

[stray elm]

'Slight'

[chilly vapor]

Building , the “blueprint” system seems weird

[small pollen]

Oh forgot about that! My brother will like that. He always asks me how I build things because he always ends up living in a box so I can at least give him a couple of blueprints 🙂

[chilly vapor]

With pvp tho it may be unbalanced

[stray elm]

PvP may not be their priority anymore.

[chilly vapor]

Saying that with the primitive focus , pvp building gonna be different

[stray elm]

Seems like it hasn't been since Extinction.

[chilly vapor]

It’d highly surprise me , since there’s a larger pvp player base

[stray elm]

No, there's actually surprisingly isn't

[small pollen]

Maybe they will just focus on SOTF.... >.>

[stray elm]

On official, yes.
But if you add up everyone from Single-player, Unofficial, and Official. There seems to be more PvE players in total then PvP.

[stray elm]

If they make SOTF the PvP grounds and ARK-2 the PvE, then I'd be fine with that.

[chilly vapor]

Not on a fresh wipe of a popular server. And ark is dead tbh so recently it’s no good to make a decision of

[small pollen]

Me too!

[stray elm]

ARK is dead on official.
It's still very, very alive on unofficial servers.
More so on modded servers

[untold ingot]

The number of pve players vastly outnumbers pvp on its best day

[chilly vapor]

Not anything like it used to be

[stray elm]

That's just what happens when a game is 7 years old

[untold ingot]

It's like 70% pve

[chilly vapor]

I know…

[stray elm]

Look at GTA5
Game is nearly a decade old, and is now starting to lose players.

[untold ingot]

I don't thi k that is their plan. Sotf is still being made with ark1 stuff I think

[stray elm]

ARK-1 assets, sure.
But what does that have to do with balance and enjoyment?

[chilly vapor]

It’s only a concept , I can’t remember the word they used but what we get is like to test

[stray elm]

Beta.

[chilly vapor]

So if we like it they probably make it in ark 2 as a full release

[small pollen]

Seems odd to renew it now though. I feel like they will see how it goes and add it to ark 2 maybe?

[stray elm]

They're releasing a Beta version of it in December, and see if it'll take off

[chilly vapor]

They didn’t use the word beta. Something more temporary

[stray elm]

Yeah, it was something like a limited time Beta, or something like that.
I know what you mean

[chilly vapor]

Yeah like it was only a snippet to see if people like it

[small pollen]

I'd never actually heard of SOTF until the 24 hour stream. I watched someone play it yesterday and it was really fun to watch 😄

[stray elm]

One thing that depresses me is, ARK-1 got really fucked over due to it's early coding.
I do hope they'll allow modders to recreate either fully, or as fan-versions of their maps from the first game in a newer engine

Imagine a ARK-1 remake in UE5 with the new ARK-2 assets.

[small pollen]

UE5 Aberration 🤩🤩🤩

[stray elm]

UE5 gore for Rockwell

[small pollen]

Dayum

[stray elm]

I want that motherfucker to have zits on zits

[small pollen]

XD

[untold ingot]

All I know is that when sotf drops again everyone better play sotf like crazy so they don't get rid of it again

[marble thunder]

What does that even mean?
What would be the difference with ARK 2 then?

[untold ingot]

Nothing, that's why people want that lol

[grim merlin]

Would prob be too much work to rebuild the game on a new engine

At least ark 2 has mod support

[stray elm]

That's what I mean.
I'm hoping they allow modders to do that.

[tropic crag]

I don't see a world where someone doesn't make a mod that makes Ark 2 have all/almost all the properties of Ark 1 shortly upon release

[untold ingot]

I mean, I am not sure if you guys realize how much effort goes into a modded remaster of a map lol. It is so much easier to just make a new map lol

[stray elm]

I do know.

[uncut cypress]

When is ARK2 available?

[iron sequoia]

Currently just 2023

[lime forge]

2023 is all we got

[split dove]

2023, but later for playstation bc of early access

[past wind]

Actually, they still need to announce it to PS5

For now it's confirmed only to PC and Xbox Series consoles

[iron sequoia]

Launch exclusive

[lime forge]

We all know it’s gonna go to PS eventually

[past wind]

sure, but until they announce it, we better say it's not officially confirmed

[manic cosmos]

I want hair works in ark 2 tried to add it to 1 but failed miserably

[thick moat]

the what?

btw, did yall notice that turkey trial 6 runs from 22nd to the 7th, casually ending when the Game Awards starts? A coincidence? I think not

[stray elm]

When did they confirm Turkey Trials 6?

[ember oracle]

Today on Twitter /community crunch @stray elm

He didn’t reveal any info about it today just the dates

[stray elm]

Ahh

[thick moat]

And to add to the matter Ced quoted the CC with "see you next week my friends." he MAY be referring to PC Gaming or the next Community Crunch idk

My guess is Game Awards though, seeing PC Gamer is mostly interviews and refreshing what are the next games coming in 2023, maybe they even announce that they will show something on Game Awards on PC Gaming itself, who knows...

[thick moat]

(nvm he always does say that on every community crunch, false alarm lol)

[manic cosmos]

? What doesn't make sense, do you not know what hair works is?

[thick moat]

Im not sure what you mean by hair works, that's all..

[manic cosmos]

It's hair/ fur physics

[stray elm]

Yeah, there's really no physics to it if I recall.

It's pre-scripted animations.
I could be wrong, but I do believe that's what it is in ARK

[manic cosmos]

Not quite, ark uses flat hair textures, hair works simulates each strand of hair in realtime, like In the Witcher 3 the furry monsters look amazing due to hair works

[stray elm]

Right, but what I mean is the hair doesn't blow in the wind like in other games.

Like the hair doesn't have actual physics to them. But it just pre-determined animations repeating themselves.

[obsidian raft]

wait ark 2 is a monthly access subscription right?

[stray elm]

Are you joking?

[obsidian raft]

you tell me

[stray elm]

I asked.

[manic cosmos]

It can blow in the wind if you code it on, base game doesn't

[stray elm]

You can blow the wind? 👀

[mint swan]

Ofc

[carmine bramble]

hi

[blissful perch]

I want that but for creatures only. Make every player bald so the the performance draining hair works can be spent on creatures 🙃

[lime forge]

Tribe law: If Vin can’t have hair, nobody can.

[past wind]

I want my fluffy rex

[thick moat]

#yutygang

[lime forge]

So with the upcoming gameplay what’s everyone hoping to see?

[ember oracle]

Just anything

Don’t think we’re gonna get gameplay for a while tho lol

[lime forge]

They’ve already announced the next time they bring us Ark 2 news it’s gonna be gameplay.

I’m hoping to see some of the world events and the “dens” they’ve mentioned. Outside of that I wanna see the new mechanics

[ember oracle]

Yea I just think we won’t get ark 2 news for a while

Like everyone js saying next week or game awards. I think it will be a little longer

[blissful perch]

When we DO see gameplay, I’m hoping we see a bit of the modular crafting system and an ambush by a wild creature. Maybe a migration or den if we’re super lucky

[lime forge]

I’m hoping to see as few creatures as possible. That’s something I wanna discover through exploration.

Im not gonna look anything up and I’m gonna avoid this discord like a plague until I’m like 80-90% finished.

[blissful perch]

Agree, I was thinking a raptor/rex ambush so we aren’t spoiled about anything new

[lime forge]

I would like to see the modular crafting and structure building as well

Yeah, that’s what I was thinking too. Demonstrate the new AI with things that are already confirmed and let the rest be exploration.

[blissful perch]

Totally agree with that. I want to get a sense of the new mechanics and UI in a gameplay trailer rather than be given the content if that makes sense

[iron sequoia]

I just want to see movement and that how the 3rd person looks and probably the hud

[split dove]

for me it's just the combat, third person view and the world events/aratai

[past wind]

Yeah. Anything about the new World System, including the Arat map itself (size, biomes etc) interests me a lot.

[thick moat]

And the map size... Will there be borders? Is it an island?

They saying it's massive and it will have some visual story telling, which intrigues me very much

[past wind]

“New Map System” and “Massive Alien Planet” are both intriguing me since June. 😂

[thick moat]

Yessirrrrr

[past wind]

I mean, imagine that: instead of traveling to another map to go to “Aberration”, you just need to access one of entrances to a large cave system under the surface of the map.

[thick moat]

That would be so crazy that I wouldn't imagine it happening, but honestly, UE5 can surprise us

[south lance]

5 days till game review

[royal nebula]

The combat 100%

Also just hoping my PC can run the game, I got a 1660ti but idk if that’s good enough

[past wind]

I wouldn’t put too much faith on new info coming from that show

[south lance]

its all we got

[royal nebula]

They said next time they share anything it will be gameplay, even if it’s a tiny bit it’s worth it cause we have been starving for it

[past wind]

The reason I don’t believe anything new will come from that show is because this isn’t THEIR show and apparently they are not participating in it.

[royal nebula]

Unless they just talk about the Nintendo switch stuff

It said they were on it I thought

[past wind]

No. It says PC GAMER will talk about it.

[royal nebula]

Hm then we will probably get gameplay in December at the game awards

[past wind]

Maybe. But I believe the gameplay will came through one of the WC Channels. Maybe a Twitch stream or Community Crunch.

[royal nebula]

Definitely not

[past wind]

But that’s just me guessing

[royal nebula]

I’m sure they want people who don’t play ark to also see the gameplay

[past wind]

Well, we will see. I want to see gameplay and doesn’t matter where they share it. 😂

[royal nebula]

They announced the game at 2020 game awards i believe so I’d imagine gameplay would be shown this year

I still remember that day lol

[true spear]

So in Ark 2 are we playing a survivor or Vin Diesel?

[royal nebula]

I woke up from a nap and Ark 2 was just everywhere

[royal nebula]

Don’t know

[past wind]

Probably a survivor

But it’s not officially confirmed

[royal nebula]

Hopefully survivor lmao

Can’t imagine every single person being vin diesel

[true spear]

Let's hope that's the case. I heard something floating around saying we're playing Vin and was like "OH HECK NO"

[past wind]

Definitely not an official info

[royal nebula]

If theirs a singleplayer campaign or something then maybe but I doubt that will be a thing lol

[stray elm]

We're a survivor.