ark-2

[mortal kestrel]

wyverns in arkII should be smaller in general tbh

[untold totem]

the only thing that is saved is the Eden ring

Means no reapers

See ending again

[graceful tinsel]

Less health could help, but not rlly

[mortal kestrel]

not necessarily true, survivors could have had reapers in the eden ring

[mortal kestrel]

no I mean smaller in size

[untold totem]

Not confirmed unless they released the roster

[mortal kestrel]

I also want actual hexapedal dragon tames

it would be so cool to see like an alien nightfury kind of vibe with one of the endgame alien tames

[mint swan]

Hmm wyverns could maybe do with a slight damage nerf along with a speed nerf and something to counter them like some weapon or armor

I mean if there was some sort of black arrow weapon that did extra damage to wyverns it would be pretty cool

[mortal kestrel]

they need a breath attack rework

and wyverns can be countered quite easily of damaging their wings cripples them temporarily

[wispy sierra]

could be really awesome done right, or really out of place done wrong

[mint swan]

True

[mortal kestrel]

true, but its hard to do wrong tbh

[wispy sierra]

a random fantasy dragon in an alien planet would feel kinda off

[mortal kestrel]

the game literally has space dolphins and space whales

[untold totem]

The truth is that reapers are dead, along with anything in the Rockwell Garden since it is attached to the ship itself unlike Eden in the end

[mortal kestrel]

I said alien dragon

[wispy sierra]

well i can't read so there, take that

[mortal kestrel]

lol

[tropic crag]

🤣

[mint swan]

I mean something like xenojiva from monster hunter could work

[wispy sierra]

xeno jiva goes hard

[untold totem]

Basically copy Avatar

[graceful tinsel]

Dinos need weak points

[wispy sierra]

alien dragons are sick tho

lots of cool designs to pick from

[mint swan]

It’s alien enough that it can pass as a apex predator on the planet and it could maybe be a boss or egg steal tame

[wispy sierra]

just don't do safi jiva

[mortal kestrel]

yes, a xenojiva kind of dragon would be sick

as long as it doesnt turn into a basic ass red dragon (Im looking at you safijiva)

[untold totem]

Meanwhile they choose Orks

[wispy sierra]

it's an interesting contrast but safi just doesn't do it for me

[mortal kestrel]

making dragons work in arat would be pretty easy tbh

[mint swan]

Yea no I’m talking like xenojiva many eyes kiinda weird hands and mouth like an actual alien not just a damn dragon

[untold totem]

I mean Arati is just Orks

[tropic crag]

Prepare for death

[mint swan]

Space orcs

[mortal kestrel]

I'd love to see a dragon shaped like a nightfury, but maybe had trail effects similar to an astro creature

[wispy sierra]

like, alien dragon turns into fantasy dragon, sure, that's cool, but did it have to be the most generic dragon ever to exist

[untold totem]

Not Warhammer kind of space orks

[mortal kestrel]

call it Astrodraconis

[tropic crag]

[mint swan]

Hmm nightfury shaped dragon with flightmare looks and coloration

[mortal kestrel]

yesss

[mint swan]

Honestly could work

[mortal kestrel]

give it like two sets of wings like a stormcutter

[untold totem]

I mean they already showed us actual fantasy Orks in the trailer

So fantasy dragon in an alien planet is not a stretch at all

[graceful tinsel]

The T. rex in ark isn’t a rex, and a giganotosauras is smaller than the rex, so what would a rex look like in the ark universe

[tropic crag]

Not necessarily, the genesis sim has them saved to it and that survived as we can tell in the very first trailer, so

[mortal kestrel]

and make it shoot spines from its tail like a deadly nadder

[wispy sierra]

namielle is an example of a really unique alien looking hexapodal dragon

[mint swan]

Hmm this would have to be an endgame tame

[wispy sierra]

that was just me ranting about safi'jiva.

[mortal kestrel]

yes, I did specify that

[untold totem]

Still unconfirmed

I will still wait for the dino roster if that is true

[mint swan]

Also the arati are similar but different enough to orcs that they are definitely inspired by them but aren’t just orcs

[untold totem]

Also I don't see a reaper in code: red

[mortal kestrel]

I doubt we will see a dino roster until arkII is near release, or already released

[mint swan]

Yea maybe more reveals at the extra live stream

[wispy sierra]

dino roster:

dodo

[untold totem]

They look more orc to me

Since it is confirmed they are not some "mutated nameless" like everyone thinks

[mortal kestrel]

Im curious what alien tames we will get

[wispy sierra]

hopefully they go all out and give us some wierd trippy stuff

[mint swan]

Well yea I said the have orc like inspiration but are not just orcs

[mortal kestrel]

agreed

[mint swan]

I mean the flower looking gecko lizard thing was pretty alien

[mortal kestrel]

I personally want dino tames to be more combat focused and alien tames to be more mobility and burst damage focused

[tropic crag]

PLEASE stop stating things like they're facts when they are unsupported and simply false

[untold totem]

They are literally just Orks

Just put Orks and pretend they are aliens

[mint swan]

…. Have you seen most orc depictions in media they are not just orcs just because they are big grey and tribal does not make them orcs

[mortal kestrel]

arent orcs green typically?

[untold totem]

But this time there is already evidence unlike "survivors taking them to Eden"

Visual storytelling

[mortal kestrel]

not really

[untold totem]

I can only be wrong if reapers are confirmed in ARK 2

[mint swan]

Orcs are typically green yes

[mortal kestrel]

ha

[mint swan]

at least in most fantasy media

[untold totem]

Lord of the Rings Orks are not green tho

[tropic crag]

[mortal kestrel]

meanwhile shadowmanes in arkII

[untold totem]

Reapers are dead, and it is fine

Same with anything in the Rockwell ring

Manes included

[stray elm]

Ah, but that's the thing.
If Wildcard wants them back, then they're not. Even if it doesn't make sense.

[mortal kestrel]

^

[mint swan]

honestly i feel like many creatures could do well in the new planet plus given how well invasive species manage to gain a foot hold in our world the dinos and other creatures could do the same pretty well

[untold totem]

Eventually

[stray elm]

They could excuse it as "tamed shadowmanes on the Eden-ring bred back into being feral"

[mortal kestrel]

rockwells creations are iconic to arks brand, especially reapers and rockdrakes, no way they dont come back to arkII, at least indirectly if anything else

[stray elm]

Or if there's part of the Genesis-ship still working and producing creatures, it could also produce reapers.

[untold totem]

Bare in mind the "erasure" can give WC a chance to make new alien creatures that are better than the Rockwell Ring ones

[mint swan]

yea most aberration creatures are just a staple of ark at this point

[stray elm]

Rockwell didn't make Reapers nor the Drakes, but they are iconic.

[mortal kestrel]

hence why I specify indirectly

[mortal kestrel]

he didnt? well whoopsie

I thought he at least influenced their creation

[stray elm]

He only created the Genesis-2 creatures. Like the Noglins, Shadowmanes, etc.

[mortal kestrel]

I see

[stray elm]

Nope, they always existed before he was even on Aberration

[mortal kestrel]

ah

[tropic crag]

There really isn't

[mortal kestrel]

well, regardless, Im totally down for reapers and drakes to be reworked in arkII

[stray elm]

Mazzy is talented in spread misinformation. We've already talked about this, Bruce.

[untold totem]

Remember, we still have this "tame obselecence" thing where the old ones gets useless every time they make better ones

[mint swan]

yea i just want my good draco bois there

[mortal kestrel]

chances are they are much better, with wildcards experience in making fancy creatures since aberrations release

[stray elm]

By the end of the day, it's Wildcards story.
If they want something from ARK-1 back, they'll get it back even if it doesn't make any sense.

[mortal kestrel]

there's a core reason why thats a thing in arkI but likely wont be in arkII

[untold totem]

Depends still, but protesting works

See carcar

[stray elm]

What about the CarCharger?

If you mean the demand for it. If I recall right, one of the dev's stated they where already planning on doing the CarCharger before they even did the community vote.

[tropic crag]

No, they aren't and it's getting old that you keep stating things that are unconfirmed

[mortal kestrel]

the reason why all the new creatures are super broken in arkI is because arks core creature combat is "who can spam left click the hardest" and minimal skill actually goes into it

[untold totem]

That is what I mean

[tropic crag]

Rockwell didn't make those...

[untold totem]

Ok I am gonna say "not confirmed*

[stray elm]

If what I remember is true. Then the community didn't do shit.
They where already planning on adding the creature.
The community probably just gave them a bit more of a push to actually make it into a creature then just concept-art.

[mortal kestrel]

if arkIIs dino combat is designed with more combat mechanics in mind from the start, then advanced creatures will fit in better and not seem so broken

[stray elm]

We already talked about that.

[mortal kestrel]

^

[stray elm]

This is what you should always say when talking about speculation.
Even if there's hard evidence to suggest it, it's not confirmed until we see gameplay, or a dev says otherwise.

[mint swan]

yea nothing is ever truly unconfirmed unless said so when it comes to media

[stray elm]

I'm like 99.9% sure NPC's are going to be in ARK-2.
But that's still technically speculation, since they have yet to confirm or deny their existence.

[untold totem]

IF and BIG lF they made the "big meat wall of nomnom" whistle is no longer viable to compensate the whole dark souls combat

[tropic crag]

I know, you hate to see it

[untold totem]

English is not first language and I am prone to use shorter words

[mint swan]

dude having ten rexs rush at you with a whistle is not going to work for ark 2s game play i just isn't so its going to have to change

its an inadvertent effect of the combat being changed

[stray elm]

Other languages don't have the common-sense of "What I'm stating is unconfirmed, but it's what I personally think?"

[tropic crag]

[stray elm]

Mazzy, what's your native language?

[untold totem]

Like I just said "Big IF"

if they keep the tame combat as it is like in ARK 1, that souls dodging will not work

[mint swan]

i got confused by what you meant sorry

[tropic crag]

I know, y'all need to slow down 😩

[untold totem]

Filipino

Even if you Google translate it, it won't work because I am not fluent in my home language as well

So... Back to the topic

[untold totem]

Keep up

[stray elm]

Sorry that your brain is still running on Windows XP

[stray elm]

"Ito ay hindi kumpirmadong impormasyon"
Is this correct btw?

[untold totem]

Yes

[tropic crag]

It's my nephew, I have to type with one hand and hold him in the other, lest he grabs my laptop and tries to knock it down lmao

[stray elm]

Is nephew what you call your copy of Windows-XP?

[tropic crag]

You so funny, big laugh

[stray elm]

Don't lie, you chuckled.

I can hear you.

[mellow wind]

Kinda feel like the addition of new creatures will be complicated in ark2 seeing as it’s meant to be before ark1. Means anything added needs a story as to why it’s not around in ark1 or mentioned in the notes that were left behind

[wispy sierra]

it's not before ark 1....

[mellow wind]

You sure? Kinda seems like it seein as Santiago is around and everything is primitive

[wispy sierra]

that's a respawned santiago

it takes place after genesis 2. the spaceship crashes onto the planet where ark 2 takes place

[mellow wind]

Lol guess we gotta wait for the story as to why we went from tek to sticks

[wispy sierra]

santiago purposefully doesn't want to use tek

(i think)

[mellow wind]

Suppose they could go with something along the lines of files being corrupted in the crash and that’s why we can’t make advanced stuff

[tropic crag]

Hmm

[lime forge]

According to what they’ve told us, it seems that Santiago doesn’t want to use Tek anymore. Likely because it’s use destroyed Earth.

[mellow wind]

Yea just seems like a bad reason for it though. Lol if someone said you can’t use tek to only use primitive to fight Dino’s you would laugh at them

Lol not tryin to argue that we should have tek or anything just seems like a lazy story

[lime forge]

Idk. I don’t think so at least. It just cost them their entire planet, using it again and potentially destroying the new planet doesn’t seem like a risk worth taking. Especially considering there’s no genesis ship for mankind to fall back on this time around. Certainly wouldn’t consider it a lazy story.

[tropic crag]

Yeah, seems like someone just simply hasn't seen or considered the actions and repercussions therein of the Ark story and it's main story beats... but that's just what it seems like to me.

[jaunty nexus]

In terms of the story, I also feel adding tek to ARK-2 would be a pretty terrible idea as it just doesn’t make sense considering the events that happened within ARK itself.

[prisma pike]

Any new information about the game?

[oak vale]

Im going to pre order it the second i can

Im addicted to this game so

[wispy sierra]

no

[wispy sierra]

ark 2 is gonna be quite different from ark 1

[oak vale]

Im still addicted to the theme of the game

[clever vortex]

There are two Santiagos in the explorer notes. They are both clones of the same person, but one of them is from the ARKs and the other is from the colony ship. At the end of Genesis part 2, the colony ship Santiago clone wakes up naked in an escape pod that is crashing down towards Arat (The planet). The primitive tools he uses in the ARK 2 trailers appear to be made from bits of tek scrap that he salvaged from the wreckage. It's possible that all the tek gear left over is just severely damaged and can't really be used, but considering the use of tek is what led to Earth being all post apocalyptic and Santiago was shown to feel pretty guilty about his part in all that, it seems reasonable for him to try to avoid making the same mistakes again.

[tribal chasm]

Santiago avoiding the same mistakes, would be nice if Wildcard can do the same in Ark 2 😄

[blissful perch]

There’s a lot of stuff to improve upon, and ofc one person’s definition of mistake is another person’s “perfect game element”

(See: mutation stacking)

[tropic crag]

[ionic meteor]

That was very well written

[cold hearth]

If Dodorex in ark 2 redesign or don't change?

[tropic crag]

I think it's safe to say that if anything returns to Ark 2, it'll probably be redesigned lol

[past wind]

Regarding the Dodorex, I hope they are planning to have themed events on Ark 2 and the first event should be New Year’s Eve 2023. 🥲

[lime forge]

Love the optimism

[mint swan]

so kinda like a weaker tek or peices of tek to make much more powerful items like a better spear or sword

[lime forge]

I could get behind like very rare malfunctioning tek. Something like a jet pack that is only capable of short little bursts, but at some point is gonna completely fail and explode

[stray elm]

I support scavenged-tek supremacy.

[mint swan]

Hmm maybe a tek rifle that only has like a 15% charge and once it’s put it’s pretty much done

[dry flame]

Ark 2 needs the ability for players to climb, as shown in Conan Exiles. In fact, all survival games need this. Riot if otherwise, etc. etc.

[untold totem]

climbing picks be like

[lime forge]

A tek rifle that may potentially explode

All tek should just randomly explode at some point

[untold ingot]

I think they announced that climbing is going to be a thing

[lime forge]

They compared to BotW even if i recall correctly

[analog bison]

Will the combat be good or will it be just how it is rn

Like will it be something like a souls game or na

[stray elm]

They already confirmed stuff in the steampage

Yes, ARK-2 will have souls-like combat.

[analog bison]

Ok good

Bc we need good pvp/pve

[stray elm]

True.

The current melee system is shit.
And feels weak.

[analog bison]

U have my gamer tag as ur name💀

[tropic crag]

It will be "souls-like", which one of them already stated is a buzzword for skill based combat

[analog bison]

It’s kinda stale nothing special at all

[stray elm]

It's the same gamertag I have on all my platforms.

[analog bison]

Same lol

Just a lil different

[past wind]

Some tek items are too good to be totally thrown away. I can think of cryopods and Cryo fridges.

[analog bison]

Btw are is it taking out and or adding any new Dino’s

[stray elm]

Originally was from my Xbox 360 profile, and I just kept with it since it brings a lot of good and bad memories with it.

[past wind]

They will need to replace those in a way

[analog bison]

Just get rid of the fed suit

And or all tel weapons

That and gen 2 ruined ark

[past wind]

What you guys think about a breeding pen?

[analog bison]

Wym

[past wind]

Avoiding lots of tames on the map

[analog bison]

Like just a section of the map made for breeding?

[tropic crag]

Pins is all we got rn

[past wind]

No, an structure you put your tames in to breed

[analog bison]

Like a already built structure?

[past wind]

Like a propagator from the structures plus mod, but not tek

[analog bison]

I mean it would be ok

[past wind]

Yeah, pre-made structure

[analog bison]

I find it better to have to build and or find a whole breeding base

Just bc it adds something to do

[analog bison]

Ya but they should cost a lot tbh

[past wind]

Me too, and I’m pretty sure breeding bases kill servers performance

[analog bison]

Kinda

As long as it’s not like filled to the brim with Dino’s and eggs then I say it’s ok

[past wind]

My thoughts: basic breeding pens shouldn’t cost much, but they can make tiers of pens

[analog bison]

I mean ya

[past wind]

The higher the tier, the more it costs

[analog bison]

Like 1 tier can only fit things like pts

And max tier can hold some gigas

[past wind]

Yes, that

[analog bison]

Like ya that seems kinda fair

The first one should be a lvl 40 item or something

But the giga like 90+ I think but I’m not good at deciding things like that

[past wind]

Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking about. Also needing more space to place them.

[analog bison]

Ya like a almost flat ground

[granite lynx]

🤨

[analog bison]

What

[past wind]

Having to put all tames on the ground kills server performance. I think they should find a different way to breed creatures. The best way I can think, excluding tek, is a pre-made breeding pen (a building/structure you put X number of tames and breed them (one male only of course))

[analog bison]

Wym only male

[past wind]

Only one male, and all the other slots should be for females

[analog bison]

It would be cool if there was a air version

But that should cost WAY more

[past wind]

Air version? Didn’t get it

[analog bison]

I mean ya for best breeding

[analog bison]

Like u can make a floating breeding base

[past wind]

That would be tek, no?

[analog bison]

Na

[past wind]

I’m thinking on “primitive” ideas lol

[analog bison]

Like a floating thing

But more wweight less highly in air

I’m not talking abt tek

[untold ingot]

Personally I don't want to see pre-built breeding pens. I would rather see changes to breeding to make huge operations less practical and viable

[analog bison]

U can make a ladder up to it ig

[analog bison]

Dino’s should be a second thing in this game

[past wind]

Like what? I thought about the pre-made buildings because of atlas

[analog bison]

I would kinda like it to be more foot

But then again u deff will need Dino’s a lot more then ark 1 in this game

[untold ingot]

Uh, no lol. It is a Dino game jaja

[analog bison]

Never said it wasn’t

[untold ingot]

Like adding a genetic tree, or changing how mutations work

[analog bison]

I just said I would like it to have more things for foot

Not just all Dino’s only

[past wind]

Hmmmm it can go that way for sure

[analog bison]

Especially for things like pvp

Dino pvp is trash

[past wind]

I disagree. The problem is the metas. Lol People find out about some meta and stick to it for good. Ark used to have a more diverse kind of pvp. One of the issues I see on Gigas or Meks etc.

[analog bison]

Gigas ain’t a problem

They are fine the way they are

[past wind]

If they can make it more balanced with the new mechanics, it can be good.

[analog bison]

There the best Dino in the game and the hardest to tame and get

Gigas shouldn’t really be balanced

There the biggest Dino and the strongest

They should be way more op in a lot of ways imo

[untold ingot]

Metas will be a thing no matter how balancing works

[analog bison]

It’s a thing in every single game

[analog bison]

Meks never been a issue tbh

[untold ingot]

Uh, meks have always been an issue lol

[past wind]

True, I just want something more flexible. You can fit multiple metas at once. Surprise factors all the time I mean.

Spinos are useless for example.

[analog bison]

Now lol

[analog bison]

Not really

They are good Dino’s

They can be see as a better Rex to people

[untold ingot]

I am thinking you have never touched pvp

[past wind]

Not 😂

[analog bison]

How

They have good Dmg,hp,weight,Stam ig,can swim

R good on both land and water

Imo kinda they can be seen as a way better Rex for good reasons

[untold ingot]

In a pvp fight, they are worthless lol, same as rexes

[analog bison]

Fair

Tek is the worst thing to ever be added

Same can kinda be said for electric things

[thorny slate]

Does the Ark II will have tek tehnology?

[somber swallow]

Defo never touched pvp

[icy comet]

yes, you spawn in with an iron man suit and tek nuke

[somber swallow]

Would just be rust 2

[blissful perch]

Confirmed no tek in Ark 2 so you’re good

[somber swallow]

Shame

As long as turrets remain Alg

[stray elm]

They probably wont

It's a primitive-focused game.

[somber swallow]

How tf is raiding gonna work

[stray elm]

Not like ARK-1, that's for sure.

[somber swallow]

Legit just rust 2 at that point

But with bows n sticks

[blissful perch]

Plant X I’m imagining at minimum is gonna be in

[somber swallow]

Icl I’ll stick with the busted mess ark 1 is 😂

[stray elm]

This doesn't mean though that it wont return in a form in later DLC's.
This is more or less just for the base-game that we know, and they could return turrets if people demand them during Early-Access.

[somber swallow]

Sounds like they’re focusing on pve even more sadly

[somber swallow]

Hope they do

[blissful perch]

You have time. Ark 2 isn’t launching on PS

[somber swallow]

I play ps n pc

[blissful perch]

Also I sense turrets of some form in ark 2 bootleg. Velos and plant x are easy candidates for organic primitive turrets

[somber swallow]

Yeah true

[blissful perch]

No turrets means PvP is big dead, and wc probably knows that

[somber swallow]

Fr

[stray elm]

You're also trying to imagine ARK-2 just being ARK-1.
Have to remember it's a new game, new meta.
It's not going to be the same balance as ARK-1, so the worries of 'no turrets' may or may not be a thing.

[somber swallow]

Yeah fairs but pvp will be weird with no form of offline defence

[blissful perch]

The game design of PvP for ark 2 seems to be confirmed to be sandboxy and anarchy based similar to ark 1, as per Dollie’s remarks

[untold totem]

ATLAS style AI manned ballista turrets

[blissful perch]

The specifics may vary, but if the structureless PvP is here to stay, turrets are a must

[somber swallow]

Yeah exactly

[untold totem]

make bows great again

[somber swallow]

Kinda wish for ark 2 they took what made ark great and just jumbled it into ue5 with a new map

[stray elm]

That's more or less 'is' what they're doing.

[somber swallow]

I feel like Drastic changes will just lose a lot of people

[blissful perch]

“What made ark great” is not the same for everyone

[somber swallow]

From what I’ve heard not really

[stray elm]

People demanded a more primitive game, so they're getting it.

[somber swallow]

Ona pvp standpoint I mean

[blissful perch]

Technically the soul of ark, survival with dinosaurs, is still quite present in ark 2

[somber swallow]

Pve wise yeah

[icy comet]

atlas was ark with pirates. Ark 2 will be atlas with dinosaurs.

[somber swallow]

I do like what they’re doing with taming and ai though

[blissful perch]

That’s the PvP soul too

Ark is about survival and dinosaurs/creatures that you can tame…that’s the game’s identity

[somber swallow]

On a base level yeah

But building and bases is a huge part of pvp even more so than tames removing any part of that would be odd eg removing turrets makes so many dinos obsolete

Vice Versa too

[blissful perch]

Well removing mutation stacking is something I see as a must so that would be one big change to PvP

[somber swallow]

Yup 100%

I’m hoping for a lot more unique styled dinos too like reapers or wyverns originally before breeding

[blissful perch]

I’m good never seeing reapers but I catch your drift and I agree

[somber swallow]

#1 thing tho is sort out meshing /duping

[somber swallow]

I mean the mechanics behind em part of the reason why abb felt so much better than other maps to this day

[blissful perch]

Mechanics I support. I never liked the visual of em and the stats are just nutters lol

[somber swallow]

It could’ve been a stand-alone game even but it got ruined by newer dlcs

[blissful perch]

It’s true that Ab was the greatest map of all time

[somber swallow]

IMO the visuals are on point they are what they should be scary alien munchy thing

[blissful perch]

It’s my subjective preference. I think they nailed what they wanted to make

[somber swallow]

Stats are fair enough too as the struggle for a high level is mad

[somber swallow]

Exactly

Sound design on reapers is ❤️

[blissful perch]

Basilisk were done dirty

[somber swallow]

Yeah very true

[blissful perch]

The turning radius is just such buns…and it gets stuck on stuff too much imo

[somber swallow]

Good for pvp defending tho

[split dove]

remember when they didn't even have eyes until wildcard added them as a colour region?

[somber swallow]

Otherwise very plain

[somber swallow]

Yup

Fingers crossed they take all the good things from ark 1 along

Defo wanna see unique taming mini bosses/world bosses some form of turret and at least an electric tier cause fair enough Tek is a bit op

[blissful perch]

Anything can be OP, tek is just a cosmetic thing lol

Hitscan snipers are also OP in a world of bows and crossbows

[bold juniper]

lol

go up to 1600 level tek

tech

[mint swan]

Is ark 2 only ganna be story mode

[tropic crag]

🤣

[past wind]

No. We don’t have a lot of info, but what we already know points to something similar to Ark 1 with new mechanics.

[muted cloak]

ive been womdering what happened to earth after extinction, wouldnt that be a cool ark 2 dlc lol

[ripe cedar]

probably got rockwell'd

or maybe they could successfully defeat him and escaping to the gen ship was a last ditch effort

[mint swan]

Well after extinction all the element was going to be purged from the planet so most likely is starting to recover from being poisoned by element

So we could maybe return to earth for a dlc

[somber swallow]

Yeah the ending to the extinction story line is In the king titan cutscene

Basically after king titan dies element begins receding and Helena activates return protocol bro g ing down the arks spreading new life and purging the element from earth

[past wind]

There are a lot of gaps in the lore to fill. They can go either way. Earth as a future DLC would be nice.

[stray elm]

Rockwell made a B-line to Arat-Prime. So I doubt he did anything too harmful to Earth.

[ripe cedar]

I guess the arks removing all of the element would give a pretty good reason to leave earth asap

[stray elm]

Yeeeep

[stray elm]

And now Millions of angry apes that'd have no issues wooping his ass.

If one ape can woop his ass, imagine Millions now.

[ripe cedar]

I mean in terms of gameplay I kinda has to be one

[stray elm]

He was sent to the universes version of Brazil.

[ripe cedar]

not really, I mean if it wasn't for the player and HLNA he would have successfully controlled the whole ship and later arat

[autumn vortex]

Did they release the story of ark 2 would be about?

[stray elm]

Slightly, on the steampage.

[ripe cedar]

uh its about people surviving on arat

[stray elm]

Seems to be a multi-layered story.

[ripe cedar]

it really depends how the player character interacts with it

which "fight along side" seems to suggest pretty involved

[stray elm]

Santiago is having to protect his daughter and being haunted by his past.
Our survivor doesn't know how we got here, so we have to discover that.
The Aratai don't like us being on their planet.
And a unknown dark-force is looming on all of us.

[stray elm]

This is how I imagine the story-telling to be.

The story is probably going to be a lot more important.
But not 'forced.'

[mortal kestrel]

I used to think Earth made like Reach from Halo because of the teaser for genesis part 2

but these days I think we were directed to board the ship by Helena to stop Rockwell who boarded it

so Earth itself is likely fine

[stray elm]

Still feel like they should've done one more DLC that was a bridge between Extinction and Genesis-1.

[autumn vortex]

Tyty

[mortal kestrel]

well there is the gen1 trailer

[stray elm]

That's not good enough.

[ripe cedar]

I mean I feel like we will probably go back eventually whether its our ark 2 character or not

[mortal kestrel]

true

[autumn vortex]

Xfer character from ark1 to keep skins?

[ripe cedar]

no

well most likely no

[stray elm]

It'd be interesting if they did a DLC that was on the otherside of the world, where it might've not healed as fast yet due to the extreme cold. And while the Earth has a core again, it'll take some time for it to start fully rotating normal 24-hours.

[mortal kestrel]

yeah, a dlc involving us getting to Arat Prime would be cool

but then again, maybe Helena just teleported us to the ship because yes

[autumn vortex]

What do yall think about pve servers with pvp options?

Imagine extinction, domes are same but outside is free game

[mortal kestrel]

I feel like that would be abuseable, unless it was like pvp only on certain days or certain times

[stray elm]

Yeah, but that seems boring compared to driving a tek-atv to Arat-Prime and killing the last stragglers of Corrupted creatures on the way.

[autumn vortex]

Not exactly

[mortal kestrel]

agreed

I dont think pvp will be quite so hot in arkII ngl, since we have to worry about the Arat and their dinos as well

and with dino ai in general just being much smarter

[autumn vortex]

Like there could be a good portion that has better resources and higher lvl dinos but only pvp

Anywhere else would be safe

[stray elm]

Hopefully with bigger threats like Aratai's and better creature AI. It'll make people more keen on teaming up on PvP.

Cause if we go with real human behavior, we're only united when we have a greater threat then ourselves. But divided when it's just ourselves.

[autumn vortex]

Single player sound slikes it gonna be fun now

[stray elm]

If the Aratai and new A.I can prove to be rivals, then this could make for interesting PvP stories.

[stray elm]

True.

[autumn vortex]

Will the NPCs be randomly spawning like dinos? Or will they have camps? Will there be friendly and hostile enemy camps?

[stray elm]

We don't know.

[autumn vortex]

Could friendly NPCs be traded with?

So much to ask...

[stray elm]

But seeing how Santiago seems to be a NPC, they might add friendly settlements, or one big single city that's like a HUB.

[past wind]

I think the World System will be closer to Atlas than to Ark 1. Huge map, villages, NPCs selling some exclusive items, lots of events happening around the world etc.

Maybe some kind of land claim system, safe areas (for the PVP servers) etc.

[mortal kestrel]

that brings images of monster hunter world, where the monsters would sometimes fight each other and also you

would be cool to see something similar in arkII

[stray elm]

Yep

[mortal kestrel]

like imagine you are on foot, getting chased by an aratai on a raptor or something

then like a rex comes out of no where like "surprise motherfucker" similar to the original arkII trailer

[round wyvern]

Hello ive just got a server as admin is there a good way to get people to join and where would i go to view this ? many thanks

[mortal kestrel]

wrong channel for that stuff

[round wyvern]

oh sorry just joined

[mortal kestrel]

this is for arkII talk

[round wyvern]

my bad

[mortal kestrel]

if you are living under a rock and dont know what arkII is, then check the pinned messages

[round wyvern]

id expect a different answer and not a rude one but hey

[mortal kestrel]

I wouldnt be surprised if an alien version of tek doesnt take its place in arkII in all honesty

after all, no tek does not necessarily mean no element, since element is the main antagonistic (and sometimes is even protagonistic) force in ark

specifically, corrupted element

[mortal kestrel]

I wasnt being rude, i was just being honest

and if you are that easily offended by "this is the wrong chat for that"

then you really shouldnt be on the internet

yeah, like I said

element is arks main antagonistic force

but its more specifically element that is corrupted

I really wouldnt be surprised if we see an aratain equivalent of tek in arkII

while I doubt Arat is by any means the origin of element, it wouldnt be so hard to believe that the planet played a key role in elements creation itself

[autumn vortex]

How do you guys imagine pvp will be like in ark 2? Do you think it will be like 1 where it's just swing, try to dodge and hit opponent with a melee weapon?

Or do you think there will be a slight combat system in place like blocking parrying ect?

[mortal kestrel]

seeing as arkIIs combat will be extremely darksouls inspired

pvp wont be even close to how it is in literally any survival game so far

[mortal kestrel]

from the steam page for arkII, under the header Souls-Like Melee Combat

"Target-lock, blocks, dodges, combos, staggers, special attacks, emphasizing player-skill-based action."

the closest thing would probably be conan

but conan doesnt count because the games hit detection is mega ass

I hope target lock will lock your camera to the closest part of your enemy, instead of just locking your camera to the dead center of the target

otherwise it would be super awkward to use against larger enemies

also I would like to see target lock not override the users manual camera inputs, so say Im locked to this rex, but Im trying to attack its left foot, then I should be able to move my view to its left foot, and then maybe the camera goes back to its neutral position after Im done moving it

[ripe cedar]

I mean so is ark 1...

[mortal kestrel]

no trust me

conans hit detection sucks so hard it actually makes arkIs look good

thats how bad it is

like, you can be deadass target locked on an enemy in conan, and literally kissing them, you know, giving them that BIG smooch

and your attacks still wouldnt be registering

[past wind]

My biggest mistake on Ark was raising a giga in 2015. Worst 14 days, I almost gave up. Unless they change the breeding system, I’m not sure I would happy without anything to replace cryos. I’m not saying to bring cryos back, but to bring some of the features of cryos to Ark 2.

[mortal kestrel]

meanwhile arks hit detection tends to only mess up towards the edges of hitboxes

[ripe cedar]

if cryos exist you should only be able to store stuff in your base not deploy it anywhere

this has bee said a billion times already but I am restating it again

but yeah breeding is a mess, it is extremely painful overpowered and neccessary to ark 1

[mortal kestrel]

I would like a tame manager to store tames at your base, but you can only bring tames out around your base too

and the amount of tames you can have active at once various between the amount of tribe mates, the region of the map you live in, and maybe even the size of your base

[past wind]

Also, with cryos you make it possible to storage the dinos in a way you save resources from the servers, BUT you still have the breeding. They have “fixed” the storage problem, but we still have “breeding farms” around the maps.

[mortal kestrel]

in arkII I only want breeding to influence dino coloration, and maybe give an imprint bonus and thats it

[ripe cedar]

if imprint bonuses exist it better be harder to get than press e on dino for 2x stats

[mortal kestrel]

since the player is getting a skill tree, I imagine stats in general wont work the same in arkII as it does in the original

[ripe cedar]

I think having stat leveling be diminishing returns like ark mobile is a good idea

if you want to super specialize use the skill tree

[mortal kestrel]

literally everything you do will benefit megas more than solo players because ark is meant to be played in groups

thats the equivalent of asking someone why they didnt donate the money they spent on fast food to charity

you can literally make that argument about literally anything

[past wind]

Like I have suggested earlier: pre-made buildings for storage and breeding.

[mint swan]

That’s also how most games work mega tribes and groups fair much better than single players

[past wind]

Look atlas and their pre-made buildings

[mortal kestrel]

well we know the building system will be reworked in arkII

[past wind]

It’s primitive and not so OP like tek

[mortal kestrel]

I dont think I'd like premade buildings though, that sounds unfun since I actually enjoy building

[mint swan]

Maybe a building system like the forest could work

[ripe cedar]

all of the premade building in ark 1 are dumb since they are part of the map and cant be destroyed

[past wind]

Like I said, look to Atlas, not Ark

Ark is 7 years old

[mortal kestrel]

you're the one thinking with their emotions, dont get mad just because you dont agree with me

besides, the issue could be avoided entirely by not having the tame limit increase linearly with each player joined, and probably capped at around 5 players instead of just infinitely scaling with each unique player

"Instanced rendering and network-streaming enable much higher client and server performance for large, player-built structures, and a longer draw distance! Survivors can set up and save their own preferred building templates, share them, and place prospective template layouts in the world to then build them out as a team."

this is all we know about building so far

I personally like the idea, since I hope it means the wider community will learn the basics of building half decent instead of there just being big ass metal boxes everywhere

no you are just proving my point

I said at around 5 players, stop grasping at straws love

me saying around 5 players is just suggesting an amount of players the tame limit could cap to to still feel somewhat fair to the solo player while not feeling too awful for mega tribes

but its obviously a suggestion, and not a hard declaration

[prisma pike]

Pretty shit suggestion

[autumn vortex]

Who else is excited to have all dinos in yard again?

[stray elm]

No

[past wind]

I’m not going back to have walls of brontos. I will play on no tames servers. 😂

[tropic crag]

Ideally, fuck megas

Most people don't have 30+ friends to play one particular game with, maybe around 5-6 at the most. Makes sense to me, even though it's just a suggested number and not gospel as you took it to be

[past wind]

Ark 2 could be more aimed to communities/alliances than tribes. I like to play alone or on small tribes. But I also like the mega raids. 😂

[mortal kestrel]

exactly my thoughts when I suggested the number

but of course, the key word was suggested

[tropic crag]

Meh, raids between groups of 4-6 are just as fun tbh, none of the videos I've seen with more than that many players looked even remotely enjoyable for anyone involved

Not to mention the lag

[mortal kestrel]

yeah, that too

[untold ingot]

Videos of mega raids don't do them justice though

[past wind]

The problem is it’s impossible to keep a consistent attack with 6 people. And we would have the issues we have now: informal alliances

[tropic crag]

We have no idea how anything in that realm would possibly work, though. It may be possible in Ark 2

Nothing is set in stone until it is

[past wind]

With communities we would have the good side of having your own land but also having the good side of playing with a lot of people, helping you to defend an area.

[mortal kestrel]

which is why I my suggestions werent directly just "fuck megas" but rather trying to find a medium between the solo player (because people like myself will play solo, just as megas will exist) and mega tribes

[past wind]

That would be good for me

[tropic crag]

I hope megas can't exist, so I'm skewed in an obvious direction

[mortal kestrel]

thats easier said than done

in literally every mmo survival game, there is probably megas in it somewhere

[past wind]

You can hope, but it’s impossible to control that. Look the mega tribes playing on “small tribes” servers 😂

[untold ingot]

I do like how they are doing the ldl servers. It feels like they are testing proof of concept for ark2, rather than just throwing us in with transfers disabled

[mortal kestrel]

yeah

I hope to see similar server diversity in arkII eventually as well

[untold ingot]

They are too big a part of ark to get rid of lol. Nor should they entirely be gone imo

[mortal kestrel]

of course, I just want the game to be out first and foremost, all that stuff can always be done later

[tropic crag]

And again, no one plays with 30+ friends that they magically have, it's just random people they've barely met. Most people have less than that to pick from, let alone that wanna play the same game day in, day out

[mortal kestrel]

I agree, isnt most of official in mega tribes?

[untold ingot]

That isn't how megas usually work though

[mortal kestrel]

^

[tropic crag]

It really isn't, I've suggested multiple solutions

[mortal kestrel]

if it wasnt so hard to control mega tribes

then they wouldnt be in literally every mmo survival game

[untold ingot]

Not really. I would bet it is still mostly solos or bobs, the megas do control it though

[mortal kestrel]

fair enough

everyone who talks in this discord does make it sound like everyone is in a mega tribe

[untold ingot]

Most serious pvpers on official are though

[past wind]

I feel you… I’m done with playing in mega tribes. Hence why I hope for something in-between

[tropic crag]

No one wants to do it because those are the no-lifer whales that shell out the big bucks every time a DLC drops, not for a lack of options

[untold ingot]

Uh, being in a mega makes it so you don't have to no life to play the game

[mortal kestrel]

^

and ark isnt exactly a game you can whale on either

seeing as all the games microtransactions are just dlc based

[tropic crag]

DLC for tribe members or secondary accounts are a thing

[mortal kestrel]

but even if that was true for ark, I wouldnt blame wildcard entirely for enabling it, its much better than trying to slap a price tag on literally every mechanic like EA does

at the end of the day, the studio is a business

[tropic crag]

And there's actually skin microtransactions for Ark 1, mind you. Only like 6 though

But they aren't going that route, thankfully

[mortal kestrel]

kind of? but they mostly come with the dlcs anyway

I think the season pass will get you all the skin microtransactions that do exist

[tropic crag]

Nope, there is paid skins

[mortal kestrel]

like?

[tropic crag]

The bionic skins

Look em up

[mortal kestrel]

I have those, and I didnt pay specifically for them

[past wind]

I think for Ark 2 the DLC logic will be different. I think we won’t have paid DLC maps on Ark 2.

I think we will have one massive World.

[untold ingot]

I think some are paid on console, they are free on steam

[tropic crag]

Because they're strange and can be spawned in, but that's not my point either way

[stray elm]

They also added them into the base-game via making them into tek creatures.
I don't even think you can buy them separately on Steam anymore

[mortal kestrel]

ohhh, well thats irrelevant since Im a steam player and not a console player

[past wind]

The paid ones you don’t have. Those are the tek Dinos skins

[untold ingot]

It would be paid expansions then

[past wind]

That’s what I think, but not maps per say

[mortal kestrel]

I have all of those

besides the non steam ones like the tek mosasaur one, and course the tek trike

but I do have the bionic rex and giga skin

[past wind]

You don’t. They aren’t on pc

Not the Rex or giga

[untold ingot]

I would actually greatly prefer that lol. Just having a gigantic map that gets bigger every dlc would be epic

[past wind]

It’s raptor, stego, trike, quetzal etc

[mortal kestrel]

well then again

thats completely irrelevant to me

[past wind]

It is. I’m just telling you there are paid skins for the consoles.

[mortal kestrel]

sameee like the frozen wild with horizon zero dawn

thats not relevant to me because Im not a console player

[untold ingot]

The big key point is that for the game to keep updating it needs either micro transactions, a monthly subscription, or paid dlc. I heavily prefer paid dlc for a game like ark

[mortal kestrel]

thats like me telling a console player they need to get S+ and dino storage

[untold ingot]

For ark 2 youll be able to do that lol

[past wind]

Maybe… DLCs will unlock ascensions and some special items

[mortal kestrel]

I too prefer the annual dlc

[untold ingot]

New biomes, New tames, New items, new bosses. It's just way better than any other payment method

[mortal kestrel]

I wouldnt mind some smaller scale stuff too, as long as its something I can actually own on my character when I buy it, like skins or whatnot

I dont want to be buying consumeable items like coloring, that would be a ripoff

[untold ingot]

I am a fan of unlock able skins through achievements, I really don't like paid cosmetics

[mortal kestrel]

same

maybe a mixture of both?

[past wind]

You can be right, but I have a feeling the one and only map will be available to everyone. But the tames, for example, could be locked by lvl, and the ascensions could need paid dlcs

[mortal kestrel]

like I said, Im not entirely against buying skins, or cosmetic stuff as long as its something account bound and not bound to just that current toon

wildcard is a company, and Im much more open having paid cosmetics over mechanics I have to pay for

[untold ingot]

I am entirely against buying skins lol

[past wind]

It’s not possible to keep it for another seven years without selling something appealing

[mortal kestrel]

eh, while I hope wildcard keeps skins behind achievements rather than behind a paywall, there are certainly worse options they could do

thats just my thoughts behind it

[untold ingot]

If ark2 switches from dlc to paid skins or a monthly payment to play it, that'll be a big nope from me and I'll look for something else lol

[mortal kestrel]

a monthly payment is definitely a nope

[past wind]

What you think about locking levels and tames behind a paywall?

[mortal kestrel]

nope

[untold ingot]

It's behind a dlc, not a paywall

[mortal kestrel]

^

[past wind]

Paywall = paid dlc 😂

It would work for me

[untold ingot]

No, not really. Do a trade with someone with the dlc, or tribe up with someone with the dlc

[past wind]

It would be like today

[mortal kestrel]

dlc is different as its more than just levels and tames, you are also paying for a map

but I do agree that dlc is somewhat pay to win, if free official maps didnt exist that also raised player level and had dlc tames

[untold ingot]

Ark does a great job of not forcing a pay wall on items tames or skins

[mortal kestrel]

yeah

you are more paying for access to a map than anything else

[untold ingot]

Especially with free maps coming out all the time with the dlc dinos

[past wind]

Hmmmm so I don’t know how my vision of one and only fully accessible map would work

[mortal kestrel]

as long as wildcard keeps to the spirit of dlc items being (mostly) freely tradeable between players, its not quite so pay to win

[untold ingot]

It would work the same as it does now, just with restricted access to areas that are dlc

[mortal kestrel]

it could work like horizon zero dawn

there's a region you can only access if you have the frozen wilds, but its all a big map

[untold ingot]

Personally I feel like we will still have individual maps, just in different regions of the planet or something

[past wind]

It could work then

[mortal kestrel]

well different regions are confirmed, but Im personally thinking the map will probably be somewhat tile based

with each region acting as a tile

[past wind]

Unreal Engine 5 runs massive worlds just fine

When Jeremy talked about reworking the world system and the world of ark 2 is described as Massive, I thought the one massive map would be the way to go

[untold ingot]

Is there a game out running Ue5 yet?

[untold ingot]

Like atlas?

[past wind]

Already released, I’m not sure. Maybe train simulator or something like that. 😂

[tropic crag]

The only free official map that raises player level is Fjordur, and it's unique to that map, can't be earned anywhere else, so I don't see the point of this statement. Also not all DLC creatures are available on the free maps, just most

[past wind]

Thats the reason why I thought locking levels behind paid dlcs wouldn’t be a big deal on our community

It was always the case for the ascensions

[mortal kestrel]

yeah

[mortal kestrel]

even if creatures arent on all free maps, you dont have to pay to use them if another player gives you one

[deft saddle]

Yeah like I'm pretty sure reapers aren't on any free map

[tropic crag]

Big if, have you met Ark official players?

[stray elm]

On PvP, you can rob tames.

So many people forgot that you can steal other peoples tames by throwing out another players cryopod.

[mortal kestrel]

yeah, I've been given random things by people riding random tames

[stray elm]

It's what I used to do on PvP back on Extinction.
Raid bases and hope they have what I want in a cryofridge.

[mortal kestrel]

cant speak for pve since I never touched official pve, but official pvp was one hell of a ride back when I played

[stray elm]

I'm just shocked so many people forgot about that mechanic with cryopods.

[mortal kestrel]

I wouldnt say forgot, more just not brought up

[stray elm]

True.
I haven't touched PvP since I got bored of Extinction back in 2018, so I don't know if people do know that but just universally agree to not talk about it.

[stray elm]

I had mixed emotions watching people cryo up their tame to do something, then proceeding to snipe them and rob their tame.

[prisma pike]

Bro nobody's forgot that. Everyone suits around with gigs from other dudes they've killed so they don't waste one of theirs if it dies.

[mortal kestrel]

its part of why I'd be happier with an overall tame manager that would allow you to store and bring out tames around your base, but not done out in the wild

[stray elm]

Ahh.
Thought people forgot about it since no one talks about it.

[prisma pike]

We call that building a box

[mortal kestrel]

this would mean someone would have to break into your base itself to steal dinos, assuming, dinos could be taken from the uploader to begin with

[mortal kestrel]

no not really

[stray elm]

I loved living in a quad-layered house.

[mortal kestrel]

I like making fancy eye candy bases that are functional as well

which is why I typically dont play pvp these days

[prisma pike]

Bro I used to have a bigass tower that we had all our tames in back in legacy days

Shit was big as fuckkkk

[stray elm]

Oh, I do to.
But I just love how goofy it is to live in a box within a box, that all walls are double layered.

[mortal kestrel]

fair

I love doing this trick with halfwalls that allows me to have an attic in my house that wouldnt be immediately noticeable from an outside look

[stray elm]

I love having hidey holes in my old tribe bases.

[untold ingot]

I mean, I was one for years lol. Trades for tames with resources is a very very common thing. Just look at this discord for how often people trade arb or dust for tames

[past wind]

New Content
Tame House

image (9).jpeg
Tames are getting a new place to call home! Players that tend to a lot of tames will now have a centralized structure to house and breed tames at, as well as harvest fertilizer from. It will allow players to store up to 20 quadrupedal tames of many types:
Bears, Cats, Cattle, Crocodiles, Elephants, Giraffes, Horses, Lions, Monkeys, Pigs, Rabbits, Rhinos, Shield Horns, Sheep, Tigers, and Tortugar.
After obtaining the Beastmaster 2 skill, the Tame House will be buildable at a Smithy:

[mortal kestrel]

whats that from?

[tropic crag]

🤨

[mortal kestrel]

atlas I would assume

[past wind]

The “tame house” from Atlas. I like it. It’s been a long time since I played atlas, but I like the idea.

[mortal kestrel]

since shield horns are mentioned

[stray elm]

We used to build our floors with a mix of foundations and ceilings, and had a secret latch that led to a basement where we held sleeping-bags and simple-beds, as a backup if our main beds where destroyed in a raid.

[past wind]

Atlas also has stages for the buildings. So they can have tiers for each kind of tames.

[stray elm]

Unironically been thinking of going back to PvP, as long as it's a private unofficial with official-like settings, but actually good moderation.

[mortal kestrel]

I do this as well

I actually build my inital house floor using pillars to negate the annoyance of uneven terrain, and then Ill surround the pillars with walls and foundations , and in the center point of the house, or where the natural land dips the lowest under the house, Ill make a small basement

[stray elm]

Nah, nah, nah.
You see, if you build with pillars then it's more obvious that you have a secret basement, since they could just see you're building out of walls. (this was before they allowed block foundations)
What we did was build our outerlayer that everyone would see with foundations, but having our middle section be hollowed out with ceilings.
Then they just see a normal base on the outside.

[mortal kestrel]

I often have the outside of the pillars surrounded by foundations

[fallow niche]

Bring it back to ark2 please

[stray elm]

It is.
We're discussing ARK-2 building.

[clever vortex]

Saw a video where someone did something like that in Rust, but they let other people move into the base and then came up out of the floor and raided them from within lmao

[mortal kestrel]

this is relevant to arkII

we are wondering how tame management will be in arkII since cryopods wont exist in their current form

and we are discussing build tactics to have more space with tames in our buildings

[fallow niche]

Did not look like ark2 building, so bring it back on topic or move to another channel.

[stray elm]

Anyway, about tamable Vin-Diesels.

[mortal kestrel]

literally, we were talking about arkII stuff, using what we did in arkI as a basis for what we were talking about

[stray elm]

[past wind]

Another controversial viewpoint: I think Ark 2 building system might not be as free as Ark 1.

[mortal kestrel]

wym?

the building templates are community made, meaning you'd have to build a house manually before uploading it as a template

[past wind]

Talking about the rework of the building system and the blueprints for buildings.

[stray elm]

Imagine in the ARK-2 dev-kit, they have the all of the NPC as their own folders with in the A.I/species folder.
And so we have the "Santiago" species folder. 😆

[tropic crag]

"I understood that reference."

[mortal kestrel]

I dont see why it would be less "free" if anything it would be more advanced since the stress it puts on the server has been reduced

[past wind]

I’m not sure what this means, but maybe a more plastered system

[clever vortex]

Santiago is his own species. No human would grunt like that.

[stray elm]

TRUE!!

[mortal kestrel]

Im hoping arkII will have more building parts than all the ckf mods combined

[clever vortex]

nice

[stray elm]

Homo-Santiogis.

The next step after Homo-Deus.

[frigid bison]

ok

[mortal kestrel]

random alien orc people? grunt

random rex crashing the party? grunt

random piece of tek with flashing lights? goodbye old friend

[stray elm]

He says that line unhumanly also.

[clever vortex]

It's like carcinization but rather than it being crustaceans turning into crabs, it's primates turning into Santiagos.

[mortal kestrel]

I think you meant grunt

[stray elm]

Santiaization.

[clever vortex]

Return to monke or progress to Santiago

[tropic crag]

🤣

[past wind]

Instanced rendering and network-streaming enable much higher client and server performance for large, player-built structures, and a longer draw distance! Survivors can set up and save their own preferred building templates, share them, and place prospective template layouts in the world to then build them out as a team.

[tropic crag]

Y'all are a hoot

[past wind]

Can’t this mean a more modular system?

[stray elm]

Devolve to monk, or evolve to Santiazation.

[mortal kestrel]

grunticization*

[stray elm]

'unholy grunts'
"respawned again"

Hold up, I have a question.

[mortal kestrel]

I dont see how that means building will be less "free"

I think it just means building will be easier to plan out

[stray elm]

Who in the fucking right mind would come out of the fucking vat-soup, after being bombed by your own friend, dying for (what you think) the first time, and fucking saying "Respawned again"

[mortal kestrel]

Rend back in the day has a similar building system, where you'd place parts and then "fill" them in to finish them

really wasnt restrictive at all

[stray elm]

I'd be fucking confused on 'why' I'm alive again.

Not a motherfucking one liner of "HMMMMM!! Respawned again"

Santiago is built different I guess

[mortal kestrel]

wasnt santiago unique in that retained all his memories between his various clones or something like that?

[past wind]

I would be in for more modular building system. Give me some pre-made bases and I will be fine 😂

[mortal kestrel]

at the very least, he was intimately familiar with tek

[past wind]

I’m no architect

[stray elm]

He didn't remember his Extinction version, no.

[mortal kestrel]

so I dont really see him being so surprised

[mortal kestrel]

well you can yoink someones template they uploaded and use that as well with this system

which Im all for

[stray elm]

Yes, but being cloned again with your memories wasn't a thing till Helena messed with the ARK's.

[mortal kestrel]

I certainly at least plan on making a lot of fancy building templates for peeps to use

[mortal kestrel]

ahh that makes sense

tbh pvp in arkII will be a lot different, because people can just copy templates from other people to make super defensive bases a lot easier

[stray elm]

This also brings up the moral question of "what makes you?"
If Santiago holds his memories, does that make him the original Santiago in spirit, or is he just a clone that biologically looks like him with a dead-mans memory?

[mortal kestrel]

so bases in general will likely be a lot harder to raid

[stray elm]

That's the type of story telling that I want them to touch on, since it was slightly touched upon on Aberration, but dismissed the moment Rockwell started going "Ara-Ara" on the tek-villages ass.

[mortal kestrel]

Im most hyped for the pve implications of template sharing

[past wind]

I hope so. I don’t like the way it is now.

[mortal kestrel]

Im so tired of just seeing boxes everywhere I go on pve servers

[past wind]

I’m also hyped to see PVE servers being more dangerous

Like Aratai NPCs raiding bases 😂

[mint swan]

I want to see the aratai have there own base camps that you can raid and those base camps progress as you do

[past wind]

I think they describe Aratai settlements on the Steam description

[prisma pike]

Go play pvp then

Lol

[mortal kestrel]

where I'd be tired of seeing turret towers everywhere?

[prisma pike]

Wait do PvE players even have gacha towers

[mortal kestrel]

not usually no

[prisma pike]

Bruh

[mortal kestrel]

like I said, most pve players just build a giant box and act like its an accomplishment

[prisma pike]

Yeah y'all probably get robbed anytime you run it

[tropic crag]

A guy who saw his death played out in a simulation several hundred times, and knew he was a clone already based on the evidence he and Yongki found? It's really not as much of a meme or even as funny/out of place as people think it is, I don't know why people are so hyper fixated on it

[mortal kestrel]

it takes like 1 iq to make a box

[past wind]

What? Do you play official pve? I’m pretty sure gacha towers are a thing.

[mortal kestrel]

no I play modded ark

[prisma pike]

I've seen more PvE bases that at least try to look like a house than I've seen a box

[mortal kestrel]

official is boring

[wet hawk]

I play PvE

[tropic crag]

False

[past wind]

Without mods, you will need gachas 😂 pve or pvp

[prisma pike]

Cause you play PvE

No shit it's gonna be boring

[wet hawk]

You don't need gacha towers... people have them in PvE, but they are usually discouraged.

[stray elm]

Oh, it's not the fact of the story that people are fixated on the line for.
It's cause the line is kind of deadpan the way it was delivered. And so makes it funny.

[stray elm]

?

[mortal kestrel]

no, I actually played pvp when I played official back in the day, so your entire argument is null

I play modded ark because it fuels my inner god complex

[prisma pike]

And you enjoyed it?

[mortal kestrel]

its satisfying blowing things up with dinosaurs

[past wind]

But do you play on official servers? With some mods gachas aren’t necessary.

[mortal kestrel]

if I enjoyed it, I would still be doing it

[wet hawk]

I do, Charlie

[tropic crag]

If you think Vin Diesel just speaking at all is funny, I suppose...

[prisma pike]

You can do that on official

[mortal kestrel]

not really

[prisma pike]

Yes because Tek saddles don't exist

[mortal kestrel]

ark doesnt have dinosaurs with attacks that are literal nukes

[stray elm]

Yes, it is to me and everyone else it seems.

[clever vortex]

In one of his Gen 2 notes, Santiago says this: "If my engram is cloned again to colonize some alien world in the far future, that Santiago wouldn't remember this version of me either. Maybe he'd be better off that way." I assume the fact that Gen 2 Santiago was not expecting his clone to remember his experiences, may have played a role in the confusion over that.

[mortal kestrel]

bruh just look at primal fear or ark omega for 2 seconds and tell me with a straight face you can do that shit on official

[wet hawk]

I play official PvE. I've played unofficial, and PvP too, but right now, I am playing PvE... The economy is so extremely bloated, everyone has every dino with final bred stats, so what's the point of gachas?

[mortal kestrel]

because you literally cant

^

[prisma pike]

You can tame things and ride em yeah

[mortal kestrel]

yeah but they cant blow up like half the map with one attack and fill my screen with constant death messages

[tropic crag]

"It wasn't a thing on the Arks til Helena Deus" isn't false per se, but the whole of Gen 2's notes (especially Santiago's notes) take place long before the Arks are even launched

[stray elm]

Right.
But this Santiago wasn't revived until post-launch.

[prisma pike]

Hey man space whale bomb op

[mortal kestrel]

not nearly to the level of modded creatures

[prisma pike]

Yeah it is wdym

[mortal kestrel]

most mods are played in pve because the creatures are strong enough to make pvp entirely irrelevant

with omega you can wipe entire bases with just the first tier of dinos, and primal fears end game you can literally one shot entire bases with just one attack

[prisma pike]

You mean unbalanced and ruined?

[mortal kestrel]

astros dont even compare

[tropic crag]

Yeah, I guess I could see that. Intentionally confusing the standard intelligence since 2017-ish, good ol' Wildcard writing

[mortal kestrel]

its not like spamming left click is very exciting combat in the first place

the most fun I got out of pvp was running around at mach 10 with a pump shotgun and blasting everyone

[tropic crag]

He's trolling, just don't reply

[prisma pike]

Ah yes the average "I used to play pvp" guy. You know literally only one dino is like that lmao.

[mortal kestrel]

actually every non dlc dino is like that, besides maybe yutys

[tropic crag]

Ok, and? The revival protocols would've been changed... how? Or why?

[mortal kestrel]

he certainly has something missing upstairs

[prisma pike]

And they're useless and not used

[tropic crag]

As do all trolls

[prisma pike]

Except for a select few that have uses beyond bite

[past wind]

I see. I thought official Pve players were still building those disgraceful buildings

[mortal kestrel]

hmm yes, "this dino is useless so we dont bother touching it ever"

totally convincing argument as to why official is better than modded

[prisma pike]

Except it's not an argument for that, it's just me telling you that your willingly shallow concept of what pvp is is wrong

[past wind]

Official is better than modded for the longterm, IMO

[prisma pike]

This mf thinks we get on sabertooths and bite each other or some shit

[tropic crag]

Just stop feeding him bro, the only right play in this game is not to play at all

[clever vortex]

To be fair, it's an accurate description of what pvp was like back when the game first released into early access lmao

[prisma pike]

And then there's the usual other PvE guy who thinks I'm trolling for being right lol

[wet hawk]

long-term, official servers never wipe... all unoffiicial servers I've ever played on have been abandoned at some point.

[untold ingot]

Agreed. Although most pve players who play modded aren't in it for the long term

[tropic crag]

.

[past wind]

Because at some point the population gets really low, and you do things faster on modded servers with boosted rates

[prisma pike]

Pvp back then was just picking each other

[past wind]

True

[prisma pike]

And clubs lol

[wet hawk]

Well, that and also the owners of whatever server just get bored.

[past wind]

I think I will start on official pvp on Ark 2 😂

Like I did on Ark 1

[untold ingot]

These days it is all foundy pushing with nets a flamethrowers, it's hardly any better

[prisma pike]

This mf said flames lol, you know people run shields and Tek canteens right?

[mortal kestrel]

different platforms have different metas

[untold ingot]

Good luck. I think my days of official pvp are over lol

[wet hawk]

There's always that guy that thinks PvP is somehow superior to PvE... like we don't know how to build a defense or we want the game to be easy, but frankly, PvP hasn't been fun for me since SE... It's not that I don't know how to PvP, but that there are much more rewarding PvP games to play... I like PvE for this game.

[prisma pike]

It's giga lines and meks with racers and velos and stalkers as well

[mortal kestrel]

facts

if I wanted pvp I'd go play league or some fps

[past wind]

I will give it a chance 😂

[prisma pike]

At the least, usually there's a few more tames. Oh, and I forgot shadowmanes.

[tropic crag]

Well, yeah, who's gonna spout "go back to PvE, you BOB" if not the Xbox official Ark players? 🤣

[mortal kestrel]

I might try pvp in arkII, the meta will certainly be more spicy with how many materials that can be used to make weapons with different stats

[past wind]

It’s not superior, but it’s less predictable

[clever vortex]

One time when I was playing with Primal Fear, my tribe encountered a ferox that just constantly fired explosions in all directions. Watched that damn thing clear an entire forest. Long story short, we started referring to that thing as "Sparky Sparky Boom Man" and had to abandon that part of the map until we had better gear.

[tropic crag]

Also this yeah, Hunt: Showdown is my PvP game of choice

[past wind]

But Ark 2 might have more PVE environmental dangers

[untold ingot]

I would love a good casual pvpve mode. I don't want to touch full pvp again, but total pve seems too tame lol

[mortal kestrel]

lmao, that was likely the wondering loot boss

could also either be a celestial or buffoon ferox too though

[wet hawk]

It's not superior. The game is different. If you like PvP, do PvP. If you like PvE, do PvE, but don't think one is > or < the other or make any assumptions or generalizations about players.

[past wind]

Mixed regions like atlas

[mortal kestrel]

I'd love pve with like a purge mode, where like either once every certain amount of time the game turns pvp

[tropic crag]

Shhh, you'll rile up the official PvPers with sensible words like that

[mortal kestrel]

:omegalul:

[prisma pike]

When your nitro runs out

[mortal kestrel]

oh shit we caught one

[prisma pike]

Bro typed that before I sent the message

[tropic crag]

🤣

[clever vortex]

Could've been anything tbh. Only know it was a ferox from its silhouette amidst the explosions lmao

[mortal kestrel]

you're just predictable like that

[prisma pike]

I guess not since I didn't comment on what you thought I did

[mortal kestrel]

nah, but the fact you immediately commented was predictable

so git gud

[prisma pike]

You typing after watching me start typing isn't predicting

[past wind]

Like I said, the problem of pve for me is how predictable and linear it is. I was playing PVE lately and got bored. After having finished my genetics I have lost any purpose

[mortal kestrel]

thats why I want pvp with a purge mode that rolls out regularly on a timer

say like, every friday or something

or have more frequent servers that have a purge mode once per day

it would honestly be awesome

[prisma pike]

Those used to be a thing

[tropic crag]

You can still do that, even

[prisma pike]

Not official but for dedis

But nobody really played them and they died

[past wind]

But they have died for a reason, not so popular

[mortal kestrel]

because combat in ark is boring enough that you either love it or hate it

[untold ingot]

As with everything it was probably an advertising issue or a settings problem. Having an official game mode designed for more casual pvpve would make it a lot more attractive to people wanting to play

[mortal kestrel]

but it will likely be different in arkII where combat is more advanced

[prisma pike]

Well yeah getting set up after like 2 weeks then having nothing to do but wait until you can do something again gets boring and you forget you even played it after a while I'd imagine

[untold ingot]

I would be fine with pve base locations, and pvp open world even. Running into random people and fighting them is fun, but I don't have the time to put into constant base defense anymore

[mint swan]

yea or maybe you can have an option for your base to be raided or not maybe a more gentlemens pvp based system could work

[untold ingot]

It'll be raided by the aratai, I don't need or want anymore base defense than that lol.

[past wind]

I’m pretty sure on Ark pve you can declare war to other tribes. They just have to accept it. But again, not something people use.

[mortal kestrel]

yeah

[past wind]

Wc needs to make something appealing

[untold ingot]

It's not something very well set up imo. It's either no pvp, or all pvp. So it's not very attractive to most pve players lol

[past wind]

True

[mortal kestrel]

it wont for for arkI no

but it would probably work for arkII if they make it more modular

[untold ingot]

If some of the server events on pve were a defense or attack or capture the flag or something that could be cool

[untold ingot]

Well, yeah, this is #ark-2 lol

[tropic crag]

The feature hardly works, tbh. It's also not explained literally anywhere, let alone the fact that your alliances are dragged into it as well, whether they want to or not. Just a good idea ruined by poor design

[ocean tendon]

should have pve weekdays and pvp weekends

[mellow wind]

The usual complaint about having raid/pvp times is ppl from other timezones and you end up with ppl building fobs during pve time then yea online once pvp time starts and raid ppl usually offline anyways

Not to mention just general pve harassing via wilds or spam

[mortal kestrel]

true

it would probably work better if you couldnt destroy bases during purge time

maybe only like the door or something

[stray elm]

I think if they wanna mix PvE and PvP together. They need to do it region-based.

They need to experiment with that in ARK-1

[mighty lion]

I've played games where there is a limited time opt in PVP event in each server and the winner gets special perks.

Albeit, it was a PVP focused game in general and the perks were assigning buffs/ debuffs to other players which lasted 2 weeks irl

[mint swan]

i agree with bootleg region based could work well certain regions are pvp and others are pve or it is a war declaration system you can fight people anywhere and everywhere but you have to declare war to raid a base

*could be sorry didn't mean to say is

[blissful perch]

Structured PvP would improve the format a great deal but WC doesn’t seem to want to do that at the moment

I hope over time there’s more of a balance split if nothing else

[mint swan]

yea a good pve pvp balance could do wonders for this game

[elfin pumice]

a truce system would also be great

[mint swan]

hmmm they should add the geneva convention to ark 2 no more war crimes

[bold juniper]

A tribe can only be attacked for so long before their structure become invulnerable

[graceful tinsel]

Agreed upon rules by the tribes

[mint swan]

yes no killing baby dinos and no use of tek

anything else is free game

[blissful perch]

Ark 2 is tek free anyway so you good dino master

[mint swan]

i already knew that i was making it a part of the geneva convention yolk

hmm what other rules go into the ark 2 geneva conventions

[lavish rain]

No vegetables

[untold ingot]

I mean, if rules for game play depend on the tribes, there will be none

[past wind]

That wouldn’t be good. Imagine a tribe on the verge of making a breakthrough and the time ends. 😂

[graceful tinsel]

True

[blissful perch]

Anarchy is a nasty thing

Which is why megas tend to follow a dictatorship style lol

[lavish rain]

What about democracy

[tribal chasm]

They can go back to the pre-extinction system with some minor changes, and it will solve the issue of needing to be online always.
Where maths, effort, logistics can make someone's base last a long time offline.

[past wind]

There’s no such thing on Ark.

[tribal chasm]

I have seen MAD diplomacy in Ark, where 2 tribes using major exploits agree not to use them on each other

[past wind]

Geopolitics does exist on ark, not democracy. 😂

Only alphas have a word

I never saw any official pvp server where all tribes decided things democratically

It actually makes no sense to play ark pvp on those terms 😂

[bold juniper]

Shoulda been faster nobody wants to be raided for 3 days

[blissful perch]

Dictatorship doesn’t mean no diplomacy lol

Though it’s true that diplomacy need only exist between equals

[past wind]

Protection dosimetry/balance is hard, but it’s important. The way it is on Ark 1 basically forces people to be on mega tribes.

I’m not sure what’s the best way to go, but I hope they find a good balance.

[bold juniper]

Imma have to think raid times like Conan

But with server transfers

And time zones listed

[tropic crag]

They could have the servers have different raid times, say you make 50 servers for the first map with this theoretical timed PvP;
10 are PvP enabled from 4-8 AM
10 are PvP enabled from 8 AM-12 PM
10 are PvP enabled from 12-4 PM
10 are PvP enabled from 4-8 PM
10 are PvP enabled from 8 PM-12 AM
Then, there's a guaranteed no-PvP time from 12-4 AM as well
That way, if someone wants to raid all day, they can, but have to take a four hour break at least every day, and transfer like hell

Obviously times are just placeholder, and the actual break time could be adjusted (though hopefully not too much) to account for those who are in different time zones and such, but you wouldn't want it too high to discourage PvP nor too low to make people be able to play 24/7, as no-lifers should be discouraged because that's a bad habit to keep

And definitely not one you should encourage

[civic dagger]

So u only got 4 hours to raid a base?

Yeah ok 😂

[past wind]

This would work for Ark 1 maybe, BUT we have to consider it’s possible there won’t be as many different servers as we have now, because the map might be massive and it would be hard to have a lot of different servers running. Atlas had 2 pvp servers on release, because each server was equivalent to 64 Ark maps.

That said, maybe the way to go now is geographically based pvp/pve. Parts of the map pvp and other parts pve.

The better solution depends on the world system

[civic dagger]

I think the pvp and pve servers r just fine no point in mixing them

U can’t adapt to everyone’s time zones

[tough fractal]

guys, i think ark 2 might have

dinosaurs

[tropic crag]

As I said, times could be adjusted, and I highly doubt it'll take more than 4 hours to fully raid a base in Ark 2 (if it does, I'll be surprised.) There could also be mechanics where, if a base is being raided, then as long as there is things attacking eachother (tames, base defenses, players, etc) then they're left in PvP mode, but only there in that general area, maybe within render or in a radius around some pre-defined center point of the base. And time zones are a big deal in Ark 1 PvP, having at least someone from your tribe on all hours of the day is a thing. Obviously not everyone will be able to be catered to, but no game does that, or is even capable of it.

[tropic crag]

Also, yeah, PvP is doing greaaaat 😂

[tropic crag]

😲

No way

Now that's just too far

[civic dagger]

Not at all what I meant

Ur little plan is mixing pve with pvp

U want to add raid protection for 20 hours of the day 😂

[tropic crag]

And your plan is... keep the shit the same? Delusional

[civic dagger]

Yeah lmao the worst part about the game is the exploits and cheating

Not the game aspects itself

You are a NPC, a literal Droid

[civic dagger]

Meshing etc

[tropic crag]

Hardly. The exploits are bad, I'll admit, but not as bad as the core PvP experience of left click simulator, mega tribes, and 20 hour plus raids, not to mention the no-lifers being catered to and WC fueling their bad habit with every new DLC

Nobody should be sitting there raiding for more than maybe 6-8 hours, maximum

That's borderline addiction and just bad for your health at that point

[civic dagger]

Ur just in the wrong, trying to correct me and ur systems failed 😂

[tropic crag]

Actually, "ur" in the wrong, that's proper grammar bud lol

[civic dagger]

Maybe in small tribes but mega tribes those wars last days to weeks

[tropic crag]

And that's a problem

[civic dagger]

Only thing I could say to fix is do like a 25 player tribe cap

[tropic crag]

That could be good, as well

[potent hull]

ark to a bout power family and to live

[tropic crag]

I've suggested several ways to limit mega tribes and their creation in the past, one of which is a reasonable tribe limit

[civic dagger]

Man I know your parents must love you humor

[civic dagger]

I’m texting not writing a school essay 😂

[tropic crag]

Proper grammar should be practiced at all times, but ok I guess

Helps to have people actually be able to understand you and helps you get your point across

[past wind]

Tribe limit doesn’t work at all. Look at small tribes…

I know plenty of mega tribes playing the small servers. They just share accounts and make informal alliances

WC tried hard, but it’s not doable. Players need appealing features not to go the other way.

[tropic crag]

Simple solution, informal alliances aren't allowed. Not to mention, I did say a reasonable tribe limit, not smalls lol

[past wind]

They already are prohibited by the TOS and COC. It doesn’t matter.

[tropic crag]

And as far as account sharing, that's going to happen regardless, as will cheaters, exploiters, etc

[tropic crag]

[past wind]

You would need a huge force of game moderators to enforce it

[tropic crag]

Moderation is necessary, yes, we've been over that

It's either paid moderation (subsciption to access official, possibly) or no official, there's no other choice

At least, no other choice that doesn't end in the game dying

[past wind]

Hence why it’s impossible to avoid mega tribes. They will share accs like they do now on small tribes. You will informally have 100 people in a tribe that should be limited to 6.

[tropic crag]

Or being overrun with cheaters

[past wind]

My only point is, just limiting won’t fix it. I hope they are working on features to make mega tribes irrelevant

[tropic crag]

It's really not. As I've said already twice in the past 24 hours alone, there are ways to implement features that would limit or eliminate mega tribing, if they even go that route (which would help with game health and longevity, for obvious reasons)

[past wind]

I’m not disagreeing with you, I just think what you suggest won’t fix it, because they’ve already implemented your suggestions with no practical results

[tropic crag]

That one suggestion pushed to an extreme, but sure

[past wind]

Can you point me to one solution that wasn’t already tried? Legit question

A solution against mega tribes

[tropic crag]

I'm gonna just type em all out again because they're admittedly hard to find, even for me

[civic dagger]

Make sure you are using proper grammar, you should not be saying “lol”

[tropic crag]

Here's a few potential solutions to mega tribing and general abuse of certain mechanics, since I can't remember all of them

Limiting characters to one per account
Having tribes carry across the entire network, think guilds in ESO or similar
Tribes being limited to a reasonable amount, 20-30 or so for the sake of putting a number on it
Having the official servers be subscription based, not only to lock out/discourage cheaters, but to fund moderation
Tribe leaving and joining cooldowns, as well as stricter alliance rules and/or more fleshed out tribe war mechanics, at least for the PvE tribe war feature(if it returns)
And lastly, having no official servers as it would be better for the development of the game if Wildcard didn't have to worry about official so much (last one is more of a joke as I know people are super adamant about having official, even though we'd be fine without it tbh)

[civic dagger]

I do agree with the tribe limit

But in instances where a tribe owns a whole map they could easily just have different tribes in different caves

[tropic crag]

I'm proud of you for your use of grammar, well done. But "lol" is actually a proper acronym, unfortunately.

[civic dagger]

Damn you 😂

But am I correct in you saying u gotta pay to access a server?

Like paying for game and dlcs included not enough?

[tropic crag]

Thanks for reminding me, actually. I forgot one 😅 , adding it now

[tropic crag]

Yes, you are correct. Moderation takes money, money that Wildcard clearly didn't have for Ark 1. If there's some big, continuous source of income (such as a subscription service, or, god forbid, microtransactions, BLECH) then the moderation of official servers could very well become a great thing, not like it is now where it takes months to reply to tickets and such.

Also, there would have to be a bigger crackdown on the rules for the moderation team, no more mega tribe pocket moderators. That's always left a bad taste in my mouth ever since I heard about that situation...

People also like to forget that Wildcard is an indie developer, trying to put out AAA games. Gotta give em credit where credit is due, to be fair. Official was great for a while there, but unofficials have clearly and largely taken the lead as far as popularity and enforcement are concerned.

[untold ingot]

Uh, I dont think the right road is finding solutions to megatribes lol. Being in a megatribe is a unique and fun ark only type of gameplay. I dont think removing that entirely is any sort of solution to anything. It will alienate a lot of dedicated players and have almost no long term benefits. Instead of targeting one play style as bad, some balancing or other mechanics can be put in place to limit the negative feedback of larger tribes on smaller tribes. I.e. a more firmly regulated official smalls or duos cluster.

[tropic crag]

But if that'll just be steamrolled by teaming megas (as Charlie had said apparently happens right now), then what's the point? Unless they make it so you can only have a character on one or the other, and not both, perhaps that would work?

[untold ingot]

Groups of people having fun playing the game together is not something that needs to be "fixed" imo, in anycase, most of the raids on smaller tribe setups or against bobs arent done by megas in the first place. They are done by smaller tribes

[tropic crag]

Hard disagree

[untold ingot]

On 1x official teaming megas is allowed within the rules

[tropic crag]

I'm talking about smalls

And/or duos

[untold ingot]

There is no official duos server though

Smalls as an idea works, but with the lack of 24/7 moderation on every server it makes it really hard to regulate

[tropic crag]

But if there were, why would it be any different from smalls? It'd still happen

[untold ingot]

It would require a complete restructuring on how the game is approached for smaller tribe numbers

[tropic crag]

Assuredly

[untold ingot]

I dont have a solution for smalls, but saying in general that the solution to pvp is wipes or getting rid of megas is objectively wrong lol. Neither will solve anything

[tropic crag]

Well, a lot of people seem to think otherwise, and would welcome wipes at the very least

[untold ingot]

Public opinion doesnt really change the statistics of it

[tropic crag]

Whe

[untold ingot]

They would welcome wipe servers on official, and then those servers would die just as quickly as any other server

[tropic crag]

The public that plays the game, you mean

[untold ingot]

The player retention on wipe servers is significantly worse than on the long term pvp

[bold juniper]

Yup

That’s why there are wipe and nonwipe servers

[tropic crag]

Since when has Ark had wipe servers? Hold the phone

[bold juniper]

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