ark-2

[untold ingot]

I would prefer story missions only exist on singleplayer, but maybe that is just me

[stray elm]

Having them as their own instance like Genesis-2's big missions wouldn't make much performance issues.

[untold ingot]

I have never had this happen honestly

[stray elm]

Have you been in the redwood biome?

[untold ingot]

I have been everywhere on the gen2 map, both in server and in sp

[stray elm]

Then you must've got the flower end of the stick.

[bold juniper]

Or they have better specs

[untold ingot]

Most of the reason ark has issues with the map is issues in the processing. Other games have much much bigger maps and dont have the issues that ark does.

[stray elm]

Specs wouldn't matter when they also start breaking in the dev-kit

[prisma pike]

Ur game is bugged bruh

[untold ingot]

My pc doesnt even have the specs to open the dev kit lol

[stray elm]

Wasn't saying they did.

[bold juniper]

My pc is just around as powerful as the nex Xbox

[stray elm]

You say this, while I've watched friends also experience this issue.
Then I proceed to have same issues in the dev-kit.

[bold juniper]

But I’ve been around both edges of the map in pc and old Xbox one and never really had any problems

[stray elm]

Edges 'away' from the space biome, right?

[bold juniper]

Everywhere on the map

I followed everything in search for spots

[stray elm]

Then I have no idea what to tell you.

[bold juniper]

Oh Xbox one op

[prisma pike]

L pc's

[bold juniper]

No fall damage

I wonder how armor is gonna work in ark2

Do they give abilities or just pure armor

[untold ingot]

I mean, this is 2022. People would throw a fit if armor doesnt give abilities lol

[prisma pike]

Abilities on everything for no reason is cringe

[untold ingot]

I am beginning to think that you think everything is cringe, which is just cringe lol

[bold juniper]

Cringe

[prisma pike]

You're cringe how bout that

[fallow niche]

[untold ingot]

I embrace my cringeness

[prisma pike]

"I was born in the cringe, molded by it"

[barren spindle]

"torn by it"

[plain orchid]

"I didnt see the based till i was nearly a man"

[tropic crag]

It's your console/general setup, One X I played on Gen 2's release doesn't have this issue and I have good innernets

[stray elm]

Again, I've seen a friend livestream this issue to me, and I still have it within the dev-kit.

[tropic crag]

Y'all's innanets is bad

Simple

It may be good for your area or something, but it's bad most likely

[stray elm]

The fuck is a innanets?

[tropic crag]

You know

Ya innanets

[stray elm]

It's an actual word, and if I say the definition that'll lead to a one way road to 'fucking banned'

[stray elm]

Anyway, no.
I do not in fact have any affiliation with a famous website that starts with the letter 'P'
I don't know what you're talking about, man.

[tropic crag]

"Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?"

[blissful perch]

Huh, limited download servers. Kinda what I was thinking for ark 2 with limited transfers

[pearl finch]

That would ruin my whole grinding set up for ark2 if that happens

[blissful perch]

With 99.999999% certainty I can say you will never be able to transfer anything from ark 1 to ark 2

I’d save myself and not grind anything in ark 1 with intent to bring it to ark 2

[split dove]

"Jesse, we need to transfer items to a completely new game on a different engine"

[split dove]

[tropic crag]

🤣

[prisma pike]

They should let me transfer the way my implant looks

[unique pelican]

'

[past wind]

I was saying it earlier, I don't think the World Maps will be the same as on ark 1

I'm not sure we will have transfers like now

[untold totem]

you wont be the same character as ARK 1 regardless

[tropic crag]

We don't know that

[stray elm]

Like we've said many, many times. We don't officially know this.

[tropic crag]

The whole stating-things-we-know-nothing-about-as-if-they're-true thing is getting kinda old, tbh

[stray elm]

Like, I'm on the fence that it'll be left open. But that's just 'my' take on it.
We'll only know when it's officially revealed.

Also, shower thought: What if Wildcard pulls a Halo and make it that Element was created by ancient humans?

[tropic crag]

As with all things, yes, it's just useless to state anything about Ark 2 as fact until proven one way or the other. Not saying we can't speculate, that's kinda the point of this stage in the game's life, just speculating on features and/or suggesting them, not saying "this thing is/isn't happening in this particular way, 100% guaranteed trust me"

Also idk what you mean, Halo isn't like that necessarily, unless you meant ancient humanoids

[stray elm]

Or......what if 'element' created humanity? 🤔

[stray elm]

In the Bungie trilogy, the Forerunners where humans

[tropic crag]

That could be a spin, for sure

[tropic crag]

Nope, they never were supposed to be

[stray elm]

Guilty Spark states otherwise

[tropic crag]

Guilty Spark is an AI that knows next to nothing of the true lore of the game, lol

[stray elm]

Man literally states to chief 'You 'are' Forerunner'

[tropic crag]

Just because he relays some select information about the forerunners to mister chef doesn't mean he's the be all end all, watch Halo Legends if you don't believe me

Forerunners are not humans

[stray elm]

I have.
They where pretty humanoid.

[tropic crag]

Yeah, humanoid, not human ancestors

[stray elm]

Mind if I send you a video?

[tropic crag]

Sure

[stray elm]

There's even a cut ending for Halo-2 that showed a human skeleton in a Forerunner casket.

I know they're not humans in lore 'anymore'
But I was more or less stating the general plot-idea.

[tropic crag]

I am not watching an almost 2 hour long video rn LOL

But we were not forerunner

[stray elm]

Just the 'what bungie established' section

[tropic crag]

We were the descendants of the precursors, which made the forerunners, then made us

[stray elm]

Right, and that's 343's lore

The 'original' intention for the Forerunners that Bungie was going for, was that humanity where the Forerunners.
Bungie has a thing of making humanity the hero's of the story.

[stray elm]

Also iirr from the books, the Forerunners are our sister-species, and the precursors made us.

[fallow niche]

Back to ark2, this isn't halo.

[stray elm]

I don't know.
The rings on Genesis-2 look sus

[fallow niche]

Back to ark2.

[bold juniper]

Sageness

[quiet escarp]

I wonder if ark 2 will be just as hard-core survival pvp?
I like orp setting for pvp personally but im also a solo player. I still feel like ark1 raiding is more balanced for orp settings however, since in ark 1 you can just soak a base and be in pretty quickly

I guess I just wonder if in ark 2 you'll be able to sustain things as just a casual player

[untold totem]

they dont... they said in the livestream that they will tone down the survival aspect

PVP will be different since their priority is mostly "primitive"

[bold juniper]

But I’m sure for the pop that want a grind there’ll be servers either by wildcard or hosted by people

[quiet escarp]

Nice, sounds like it will feel more like a game on normal mode then!😋

[untold totem]

no

[bold juniper]

But for those who want a challenge there is mod support dmso

[untold totem]

we dont know how will the "normal" play turns out, they don't mention "no ORP"

or how the dino roster is gonna be

[bold juniper]

Rex pt sauropod dodo raptor archaeopteryx

[stray elm]

We do know it'll be less then ARK-1 on launch.

[bold juniper]

That’s what we’ve seen

[cold hearth]

Will people stick to ark one or 2?

[tropic crag]

No, they didn't. They said there will be the same level of survival in Ark 2 as Ark 1

[untold totem]

depends

there are some people will wait for a sale rather than early release

[blissful perch]

Thank you for covering the chat

One day Mazzy will stop telling people that misinformation

[untold totem]

cant help when the stream itself is all noise and barely content

[stray elm]

That's no excuse

[tropic crag]

🤞

[untold totem]

no excuse for basing on what i understand in the stream itself?

[stray elm]

If you're getting just noise from the stream, then maybe state your things as 'what you remember' then 'facts'

[tropic crag]

It's fine to state it as you saw it, which was apparently not very clearly. Just stating it as fact when you didn't pay enough attention isn't really all that great, though 😅

Not trying to bomb on you or anything, but what they stated was simply not what you heard, no harm done. I will correct you on it though when it pertains to someone asking for information

[untold totem]

TBF i tried to my best of abilities avoid 3rd party ARK news this time around

but that itself is a difficult task

[tropic crag]

I just avoid Ark youtubers pretty much entirely when it comes to reveals and content being shown, helps loads I promise

[cold hearth]

Or people like me who can berley run ark 1

[tropic crag]

Just stick to Wildcard's official channels and it's way easier

[untold totem]

they just dont give us the TL:DR, hence the noise

[cold hearth]

Is ark 2 a heavier game?

Didn't they showed the specifics needed to run ark 2

[blissful perch]

Wildly unknown. We only know the engine

[cold hearth]

Mmmm

[blissful perch]

Expect it to be equally performance heavy when when optimized though to ark 1, since it’s going to be coming out 7 years later than ark 1 and will be released with current hardware in mind

[tropic crag]

Idk, if you want concrete details, you gotta watch the streams like everyone else. It sucks, but they usually give a highlights reel of the good parts when it's a long one, and it sometimes even ends up on the Community Crunch, if we're lucky! Lol

[cold hearth]

Is the engine hard to run?

[blissful perch]

I TOLD you what they said lol, that’s the gripe. It’s that you keep saying your take when a quote of what they said renders it false

[cold hearth]

What was it again unreal engine 5?

[blissful perch]

My point is that the engine won’t tell you how hard it is to run: optimization, graphics quality, and server/client processes will

[tropic crag]

It'll be hefty, but not kill your PC for no reason like Ark 1 did on release, I'd imagine (or at least hope)

[cold hearth]

Great point

[blissful perch]

What you can expect is that on release you’ll see steam release the recommended specs

[tropic crag]

[untold totem]

sees ARK 1 specs

umm

[blissful perch]

The recommended specs for ark 1 iirc were pretty high. I may be mistaken though

[untold totem]

TBF the updates bloat it a lot since then

[blissful perch]

Size ≠ specs to be clear

[tropic crag]

Recommended specs for Ark 1 are a lot more accurate than they used to be, that's for sure...

Straight lied to us in the early days

[untold totem]

oooooooh that

[tropic crag]

Yeeeeeah... lol

[untold totem]

makes the "spec requirements" unreliable ain't it?

[tropic crag]

Sure did

[ripe cedar]

Recommend specs for ark 1 say 60 gigabytes, that is not accurate

[lime forge]

It sounds right for the base game

[tropic crag]

Yeah, just the island, none of the DLC files, it probably is 60

But the fact that they have to add the DLC dinos into the base files for the free maps and mod maps causes it to be more than that

I downloaded "base" Ark at first just last week, and it was 125 gigs for the reasons specified

No free DLC maps, no story DLC

But the dinos are there

I can go into singleplayer and spawn a rock drake, wyvern, anything in the whole game, but only on the island

[untold totem]

not just the dinos, items as well

even bosses... which is weird

[tropic crag]

Yep, every file for an item that isn't terrain or map detail is there and included

[ripe cedar]

Well either you cant join official server without all dlc or remove transfers or keep it as it is now

[tropic crag]

I don't think I understand what you mean

I can join an official the island server

[ripe cedar]

In terms of not having the game without dlc installed be so big

[tropic crag]

Ehh, I think it's fine as is, no reason to split the playerbase even further (over the DLC content, of all things)

Just get a terabyte external just for Ark, EZ

Like 40 USD where I am

Got an 8 tb for 120 at Costco on sale for both me and my dad, works like a charm

Not counting inflation, this was years ago

[ripe cedar]

I feel the large size of the game is probably the biggest turn off of the game at this point

[tropic crag]

Lmao

Official PvP and it's culture is the biggest turn off in the game, bar none

[ripe cedar]

Especially with how slow download speeds can be in some places

[tropic crag]

Get better internet, or just wait a day

[ripe cedar]

Also lack of tutorial or help for new people

[tropic crag]

There's tutorials

It's called YouTube

(There is an ingame guide, btw)

[ripe cedar]

Really depends on the the of person on whether they will look elsewhere for help or not

[ripe cedar]

I would not count that

[tropic crag]

I solved most things on my own, through trial and error

If someone can't die to a giga 20 times because they're stubborn and then learn from it, then Ark isn't for them

[untold totem]

most survival games are just trial and error.. except for conan

it's basically "fuck around and find out" type of game

i prefer not having a tutorial because people should face consequences

[tropic crag]

I don't think almost any survival game needs a tutorial, unless there's like extremely deep mechanics that you are expected to learn right away just to be able to play properly

[ripe cedar]

Well most people that play mostly survival games already know about ark so if they want to keep growing the playerbase they may have to make it easier for people who arent as familiar with the genre to get into it

[untold totem]

umm

[tropic crag]

Why do that? Then it's not Ark, it's "babying you: the game"

[untold totem]

how does "people who knew ARK" start then?

[tropic crag]

[untold totem]

i start ARK with rage and almost refund it until my friend made his own server

and i didnt start on an official server

[tropic crag]

If people don't like survival games, Ark is the one game they might try, it's literally gateway survival, it's so simple lol

[ripe cedar]

Kinda proving my point, not everyone is going to have that friend and will just refund it yet you seem to really like the game

[tropic crag]

But Ark also isn't for everyone, I don't like that mentality of making all the games appeal to all the people, that kills games

Citation: Elite Dangerous

[untold totem]

that is me but it's different compared to multiple memes about "quitting ARK yet come back and play again"

[tropic crag]

They wanted to keep their stupid Pegi 16 or whatever, so they neutered the content, and now had to separate the game's servers into several to accommodate the rating for the DLC being different than the base game 🤮

[untold totem]

plus i got ARK as a suggestion from a group of friends... not because "hey it's a dinosaur game"

[tropic crag]

That's not helping really lol

[ripe cedar]

Multiplayer is different because at least you can ask people on the server stuff or tribe up but singleplayer definitely seems like it can handicap people experience with the game not knowing what to do after making a beach hut. Im guessing 99% of people dont read the survival guide and therefore wont know how to tame and will just be kinda stuck

[untold totem]

yet you can cheat on SP

[tropic crag]

Then that's their bad for not reading the tutorial, and playing singleplayer without a guide

You're stating the most offbeat, niche examples

[untold totem]

i admin abuse on SP before i can play properly

[ripe cedar]

You would need to look that up and the whole point is making the game intuitive enough to learn without needing to do that or if it is that hard providing the necessary resources whether in the game or links to the wiki or something

[tropic crag]

They don't matter though, because they didn't have the drive to keep playing from the start

[untold totem]

arent suvival is all about figuring things out with little resources you have?

[tropic crag]

Trial and error, my man

The items tell you what they're used for most times, too

There's not "no tutorial", just not an uber obvious one

[untold totem]

the only thing i would agree on is the Dossiers should be guides on taming and caring them

[tropic crag]

Because, you know, it's a survival game, figure it out

Some of the later dinos have 0 clues on how to tame them, I'll admit

But by that point, you've heard about how to tame shadowmanes or have the intuition to figure it out yourself

[untold totem]

plus we are in the internet age... we are not in the 80's where game guides are a thing

[tropic crag]

[ripe cedar]

Do not underestimate peoples inabilities to look up how to do stuff

[tropic crag]

(Even though there are guides in some games)

[untold totem]

3rd party tutorials are not out of reach

i remember i looked up how to tame Tropeos within days after CI

[tropic crag]

Again, those people lack the drive to play the game then, who cares if they quit? Fuck em

Too ignorant to learn how to play, that's not the game's fault

[untold totem]

they must be like.... 40 year olds or something... because my tribe leader is like that

he never do taming

[tropic crag]

Or they're just stubborn jackasses who refuse to ask for directions, like every dad EVER

Don't wanna admit they're lost or can't figure it out themselves and need help

Which is on them entirely

[untold totem]

tbf he did well without tames

he be tried to beat Val Brood naked

anyways

speaking of Val brood

i am so want to have dedicated boss arenas that is unbuildable like Ext

[tropic crag]

I would be down for that as well

But it'd be difficult to do without cutting off a large enough area

[fallow niche]

Game guide would've been semi helpful, since some never think to look online, but a controller/keyboard guide will work just as well even if its just the basics (lmb is melee, I is inventory ,etc)

Boss arenas (if there are any) should stay non buildable, personally

[untold totem]

sadly the wiki is mostly PC focused.. there are some "control guides" dont have the controller version

[fallow niche]

Ark1 has a controller guide ingame, they could do that for ark2

[tropic crag]

Ark 1 does that, does it not?

[fallow niche]

An active game guide ingame? Not really, aside from some tips while loading.

[tropic crag]

In the settings I'm pretty sure, where you'd look to find, well, the set control scheme

[untold totem]

i am still struggling to use the HLNA Exo Mek in Gen 2 boss and the Scout because they dont have guide in the UI

[tropic crag]

We don't need a clogged UI early game to tell us how to walk, screw that

Maybe how to tame a creature, if it's all that hard to figure out

But not basic controls, just read em, don't be lazy lol

[fallow niche]

There doesn't need to be a clogged UI anywhere. It could be added to the options menu with the other 2 guides for controllers and keyboards.

[untold totem]

this is why i brought up the dossier should be... less ambiguous

[tropic crag]

To be fair, I hope dossiers don't return

Maybe out of game, but not ingame

[fallow niche]

Do you know how many people straight up have never even seen a dossier?

[tropic crag]

[untold totem]

dino reveals be like

[tropic crag]

Same with notes in general, just get rid of em

[untold totem]

no lore in ARK 2, got it

[tropic crag]

We have NPCs fam lmao

Just tell us the lore, outright and upfront

[untold totem]

NPC that can easily build over by jerk tribes?

[tropic crag]

Not have to hunt down some hard as shit to find note

[fallow niche]

They've never looked at them ingame, is what I mean. Not that ark1 dossiers tell you how to tame dinos anyway.

[tropic crag]

No, but thanks for trying

NPCs will not be able to be built on, that would dumb af

If they even appear in the game world

[untold totem]

i rather have environmental storytelling than NPCs that blocked your "alpha build spot"

[tropic crag]

Might be like in a blocked off cave you can't even enter

We had enough environmental storytelling imo, and they're going to add more regardless so don't worry

The fallen eden ring is enough environmental storytelling, and that's only the trailer lol

[untold totem]

If ARK 2's map is not a massive land mass like say Valheim and ATLAS did then yee?

but if it's like ARK 1 then that is too much needless clutter

[tropic crag]

Whe

What is too much needless clutter? You lost me with that one

[untold totem]

talking about story NPCs

as a replacement for notes

i mean you can go for Conan route but then again.... it's basically Note + NPCs

[tropic crag]

We already know they're a thing, and notes are one of the most complained about features in the first game, they'd be stupid not to remove them

And did the NPCs in Conan block any OP build spots?

(Not really)

[untold totem]

no because
1 it's all flat
2 the jungles are not dense and there are no NPCs in the jungle
3 most NPCs are in the already existing structure areas in the open desert/highlands like camps and settlements

[tropic crag]

Precisely, places you can't build already

[untold totem]

which is the majority

[tropic crag]

Uhhh, not really

Like 80% of the first map (I don't play it anymore) was buildable

[untold totem]

conan is small compared to ARK Island when comes to map hell the server i playing on cant handle more than 70 players

[tropic crag]

The big city dungeon wasn't because, well, it was a dungeon with enemy spawns

The first map was not tiny lmao

It was insanely vertical too, unlike Ark

[untold totem]

i dont feel the verticality tho

[tropic crag]

I built on this huge pillar thing in the Northwest once, it was crazy high up, almost highest point in the map

[tropic crag]

Ok? That's a you issue, sorry to say

[untold totem]

compared to Island mountains?

[quiet escarp]

I just hope ark 2 figures something out to where it's not about "always having playerbase online in your tribe" in order to keep things. It could be orp, it could be that a base is less needed and you can keep things uploaded or whatever. I want it to be more about gameplay/ risk what you use in pvp.

[tropic crag]

Yeah, there were much higher points in Conan

[untold totem]

i mean losses are too common in ARK anyways

[tropic crag]

ORP would be a godsend, but nobody wants it because then it "removes the ability to PvP" which I call bullshit on

You either have to get on to feed your dinos/re-up your generators/etc, or your base decays. Can't sit in ORP forever

[quiet escarp]

I just dont like how regular officials are opperate out of ratholes or single square undefended bases or don't log off or it's all gone besides your players level.

[untold totem]

this is why i want them to consider ratholes as "meshing" because those are not intended to be lived in anyways

ratholes are not intended when comes to map making

[quiet escarp]

True the rathole playstyle goes too far. Honestly orp is a good way to go. Its all I play on anyways

[tropic crag]

💯

[blissful perch]

an optional tutorial that teaches UI and basic mechanics would be great, I 100% agree. A great survival game teaches you the basics and sets you loose, and ark 1 has sort of struggled with that

it tells you "tame and stuff" but it's not super clear with how to actually go about DOING tames (from a mechanics perspective)

[bold juniper]

I love how Conan just tests you in with nothing not telling you how to do anything

[untold totem]

tbh that is how most survival games should work

Conan just remind you to drink

[bold juniper]

It feels massive till you get obs and even then it’s big enough to house 40 plus a server

[bold juniper]

Game doesn’t even tell you how to get thralls

Or learn new recipes

But Conan map has depth which makes it feel much bigger than it actually is along with the dungeons

[untold totem]

tbf conan is simple

[bold juniper]

Not if you wanna pvp and farm efficiently

Conan recipe run first thing is ridiculous. It’s basically a three hour endeavor

You die

And it’s 4 hours of grinding to get your legendary 1percent loot back

I hope it ain’t like that in ark2

It’s rough in Conan

[south shadow]

Tbh is it just me that sees no problem with the way the game is played other than the amount of people within a tribe? Megas ruin the game more than the places to build

[blissful perch]

i dislike the breeding system more than anything else, but for official I can see megas being the most problematic

[lime forge]

I love breeding. Breeding is my favorite thing to do when I carry my tribe

[mint swan]

In my opinion megas are cool because of huge fighting and giga fights instead of tribe vs tribe because there’s no Lot of counter fobs Like megas

[prisma pike]

I'm gonna RREEEEEEE

Having a community in a mega makes the game infinitely more enjoyable

[tribal chasm]

If they can figure out a way for megatribes to be less immortal from raids via technicalities (such as server capping/ddos etc) would be interesting.
Imagine you could boost a server in Ark so that it could support more players or...

[tropic crag]

💯

[tropic crag]

🤮

[prisma pike]

🤡

[lime forge]

Tell me you have swamp fever without telling me

[prisma pike]

You only get dossed if you die and they show gamercard on body or they just decide to doss a random gt that joined server

Not barcodes tho

Barcode op

[prisma pike]

Only based people have swamp fever

[ocean tendon]

[lime forge]

Make more oceans In Ark 2!

Better Oceans!

[spice oracle]

Make ark 2 official servers playable 😛

[royal patio]

I hope ark 2 will be for all consoles at launch instead of launch exclusive

[spice oracle]

Seems it is launch exclusive for Xbox

[royal patio]

sadly yeah

[tropic crag]

Lobby at Sony HQ, it's their fault

They don't like early access games like the other companies do

[nocturne sage]

did they say if ark 2 will be 60 frames on x/s/ps5?

[lusty bronze]

i hope they make the sharks and dolphins able to jump a bit out of water unlike in ark 1 where its like a barrier

[fast isle]

Gonna cause so many problems

People jumping onto land like a manta with a shark

Super speed dolphins which have been bred overtime can just fly over land like mantas

[ripe marsh]

this is assuming super breeding and stat changes are the same

[dry flame]

Actually, it will be 1 FPM, or Frames Per Month.

UE5 employs a hyper-realistic rendering engine in which a college-educated artist comes to your home, sits inside your TV, and lovingly paints each frame with painstaking detail.

This, of course, is a bit slower, but totes worth.

(You will also need a TV large enough to accommodate the artist, and snacks while they work. But all that's in the ToS.)

[royal patio]

I hope they do figures and statures I would love to add them to my collection if they go that route

which I really hope they do

[fast isle]

Probably will be but on a smaller scale

[unborn galleon]

Any news about ark 2?

[split dove]

not anything noteable rn, we should get a lot at extra life on november 5th

[unborn galleon]

Gameplay

[split dove]

we're all hoping for gameplay at extra life

[graceful tinsel]

🏰

[potent hull]

we will ether get game play at extra life or family or both i think both

[ripe marsh]

when is extra life again

[stray elm]

November 5th I believe

So, next next Saturday.

[ripe marsh]

ah so far away

[stray elm]

Fewer then it was on the 1st

[ripe marsh]

true

[rotund grail]

God hurry up ark 2 please 🙏

[dry flame]

Yeah, because rushing a game in development ALWAYS turns out great, right?

[rotund grail]

Look at what they did taking there time .Can't get worse

[ripe marsh]

I'm looking....what am I supposed to look at?

[rotund grail]

Please come out Jan 1 .Probably not till may tho gŕrrrr

[blissful perch]

Rushed development is why Gen 2 launch has astros out ranging turrets

Let’s not do that again 😂

[mellow wind]

Pretty sure that’s actually intentional to drive demand for the new stuff. Pretty much everytime something ranged is added it’s range exceeds turret range for awhile then they reduce it

[warm blaze]

i will love if your caracther can lose a part of his body (like when a rex hit your arms when you try to escape) but whit a passive ability he can re grow whit time

[blissful perch]

…find me a man who can do that and I’ll bite

But I’m good not being some weird superhuman regenerative monster

[warm blaze]

yes after what i write i think yes i dont want superhuman regeneration

[blissful perch]

No worries lol

I do think a tame with regenerative properties could be cool. Maybe a tame that can drop its tail to distract stuff or maybe sacrifice some hp to make a clone

[warm blaze]

yes but clone how come?

[blissful perch]

Maybe a tame that can release a shimmering hologram version of itself as a clone to distract

[warm blaze]

like a robotic tame?

[blissful perch]

No?

Imagine an octopus releasing an ink cloud

[warm blaze]

ok

[blissful perch]

And that ink cloud looks like an octopus

[warm blaze]

ah ok now i see that will be cool

[tropic crag]

[tropic crag]

[elfin pumice]

i cant wait to see how the character customization will look in ark 2

[lime forge]

I can’t wait to see what Ark 2 will look like in Ark 2.

[split dove]

Can't wait for 4k gameplay model of Vin Diesel

[tropic crag]

Aw goddamn bro really

There was like 5 cap O's in there, hardly a spam

Dumb bot

[lime forge]

Vin be lookin good in the trailers

[lavish rain]

Bruh

Paddy cool it

[graceful tinsel]

Wondering how they will handle progression

Ark 1s engram kinda felt off to me

[past wind]

In 19 days we will probably know better

[subtle crown]

Tf

[graceful tinsel]

Nice

[wild kraken]

gameplay trailer

patience is a virtue

[brittle mason]

Wait what?!

Ark 2 in 19 days?

[stray elm]

Extra-Life is in 19 days

We may or may not get something on it.

[blissful perch]

How many folks will treat extra life as entitlement to a reveal

[stray elm]

Many

[blissful perch]

I suspect this chat will be too active at extra life lol

I’m torn between wanting to see gameplay or just a better sense of the experience in some other fashion…

[split dove]

we probably will get something among those lines, atleast a info dump as usual is very likely

[tropic crag]

Yeah, the chance they show something is pretty high given their track record, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility

[jaunty nexus]

Some info on how the game will play would be nice

So we don’t just have speculation

[tropic forge]

yeh another 1min trailer of a dodo picking bones, to be honest all of this lack info at all its a sign aint be any real news this year

[split dove]

That trailer might not have revealed much, but we do know a lot more after the steam page was updated. So the first half didn't have as much as we were expecting. I'm glad they announced the delay earlier in the year tho, here's to hope extra life reveals new things/shows gameplay

[tropic forge]

just dont get too much hope or you might get another surprise

[blissful perch]

Best possible news outside of gameplay/content reveals would be a delay to late 2023

Then I can actually play ark 2 without my life suffering

[past wind]

In 19 days Wildcard will host their annual Extra Life stream. And it's POSSIBLE that we will get more info about Ark 2.

[mortal kestrel]

me over here laughing at all the youtubers making videos with "new information about arkII"

meanwhile me, your resident information dealer- oh really?

[untold ingot]

It is funny how the new information usually tends to be like 6-8 months old

[mortal kestrel]

yeah

[mint swan]

Yea I’m tired of the “news” channels just coming up with the same information we already have

[jaunty nexus]

The same youtuber that posts clickbait everyday and people still bother clicking on his videos

[untold ingot]

I mean, it is all of them to be fair

[jaunty nexus]

There’s one or two of them that really do it too much and I’d like to see their channels taken down as a fan of ark

[uncut cypress]

When do you get off ark2

[royal patio]

ark 2 is gonna be on Xbox game pass for 3 years after release?

as a ark survival evolved fan and someone who owes a playstation I think that's a bad move on wildcards part since a large amount of the fans are on playstation

[tropic crag]

The numbers do not support that at all, and it's a Sony issue, bug them about it. They don't like early access games for some reason

[stray elm]

It's a Sony issue.

Sony only allow two year long Early-Access I believe.

[blissful perch]

also "large" is a meme since PC smokes consoles in sales to my knowledge

[stray elm]

Also, the Xbox community for ARK is much larger then the Playstation community.

[ripe cedar]

last time I looked into it pc was biggest then playstation and then xbox

[stray elm]

No shit, wasn't what I said now was it?

[ripe cedar]

you said xbox was much larger than playstation

[stray elm]

Oh wait, I'm dumb/tired.

[stray elm]

Checking it now, and nope. Xbox is higher then Playstation

[ripe cedar]

what are you checking on?

[stray elm]

MMOStats and PS-Timetracker

[ripe cedar]

yeah I saw that and mmostats does not specify xbox only at all as far as im aware says it gets its info from how active people are on social media relating to the game

[stray elm]

Ahh

[ripe cedar]

wildcard released statistics(from like 2 years ago but dont have much to work with not every platform has an easily accessible open api for numbers like steam) had playstation 2-3 times bigger than xbox and steam being at least twice as big as both consoles combined, I feel like I have seen more recent stuff but I can't exactly remember where, I am sure the ratio's have changed a decent amount with all platforms having had a way to get the game for free but I doubt that it would be enough for xbox to overtake playstation. I got this info from the crunches where they shared statistics (example: crunch 251) which while old are at least numbers given by wildcard and like I said I doubt the ratio of players would have changed by an insane amount even if the number of players did. I am also guessing that this info is from official servers only although that may be incorrect but still the platforms with more people would have more people playing on those servers anyway. having more up to date info would be nice though especially with all of the free to play deals potentially changing up the numbers

[lavish rain]

[lime forge]

If you look at the polls here in Poglin polls number wise they do support what you’re saying

[stray elm]

I'm not reading that.

[stray elm]

Either give me a TL:DR, or explain it in hyroglifics.

[lime forge]

TLDR PlayStation is a larger part of the Ark community than Xbox

It’s a fuckin paragraph man.

[ripe cedar]

oh shit, yeah they did release new statistics in poglin polls, ok thats nice

I knew I remembered seeing them somewhere but I forgor

[stray elm]

Aren't those statics for deaths of a specific creature?

[vague ore]

Anyone tryna play im on ps4

[lime forge]

Sir this is a Wendy’s

[vague ore]

Oh my fault

[elfin pumice]

why is there an ark 2 ps4 edition page on xtralife

[bold juniper]

Xbox ark and windows ark are the same so it’s hard to say exactly how many peeps are exclusively Xbox

[tropic crag]

Win10 is included in most of those statistics, last I checked

[ripe cedar]

If more people died on one platform thats going to be because more people were playing and had more chances to die. Also there was a poll for what platform you play on although they may be skewed as maybe certain platforms are less likely to join the discord especially with xbox’s discord integration, that showed xbox and playstation being somewhat equal

[fallow niche]

Can bring it back on topic of ark2 thanks.

[versed mountain]

Ark 2 will be like Halo: ODST confirmed

Source: me

[lime forge]

Ark 2: Oceans as far as the eye can see.

That’s what I’m hoping for

Well that and fireballs

[blissful perch]

Man wants fireballs underwater smh

[lime forge]

Nobody ever said I was an easy man to please

[blissful perch]

Better to not be pleased then

[tropic crag]

Hey, Mario did it, fireballs underwater

If Mario can do it, anyone can

[blissful perch]

Don’t encourage him

I do want an ocean DLC tho. All the land is tiny islands and shallow sandbars/mangroves

[tropic crag]

Yesssssss that would be killer

I honestly thought we were getting that in a way with Gen 1, I thought they were all gonna be separate maps

[blissful perch]

But I want that to come AFTER ark 2 the no oceans base map is finished and polished

[tropic crag]

Silly me

[tropic crag]

💯

[ripe cedar]

They basically were seperate maps

[tropic crag]

Of course, as all DLC should

In reply to Shifter

[tropic crag]

You know what I meant lol

Not any one of those biomes is even near full map size

[blissful perch]

I’m ok with that on paper

The issue I had with the ocean was that it felt too dang crowded. The bog and arctic biomes felt pretty good size wise

[tropic crag]

Oh yeah, the biomes were fine for what was intended, and I will say the ridiculous overspawn of coel in the ocean wasn't great at all, for server performance or just general gameplay

But that's just it; they were biomes, no more, no less

[blissful perch]

I’m ok with that for genesis

[tropic crag]

The first trailer really sold that they were different maps all based on a theme, as did some choice words at one point, but maybe that was hopeless optimism from whoever said it (I don't remember so don't ask lol)

At least to me it did

[blissful perch]

I thought it was unique maps too

But I’m ok with it tbh. Genesis 1 was in many ways a good pilot for the future, and the quality of the biomes was a huge step up from even the remastered island

[tropic crag]

Oh for sure

I honestly would even be fine with them doing it again possibly, maybe we get sucked back in to a different part of the simulation in a potential DLC

[blissful perch]

I keep telling people smaller is better in terms of detail and polish

[tropic crag]

I definitely don't want Atlas grids, fuck that

So I getcha

[blissful perch]

It felt like you could learn each section of genesis 1, and I kinda love landmark based navigation…something that’s hard when terrain is massive and hastily generated

[tropic crag]

100% agree

[blissful perch]

The obelisks to some degree helped with that on most maps, but Ab and genesis 1 imo did the best job, followed by extinction

[tropic crag]

(Even though I still couldn't find my own ass in the snowstorm biome if you asked me to lmao)

[blissful perch]

Snowstorm area had some oof zones. But those storms should have been rolling rather than constant. But I think ark 1 never had the infrastructure for events like that

[tropic crag]

The X-yutys beat me into the ground several times on several playthroughs just because I couldn't see jack squat

Those and the snow golems

Speaking of which, I hope we see variant creatures again, at least if we don't see the basic creatures textured and colored to their environments

[blissful perch]

I don’t want variants tbh

I’d far prefer it all be the same species

[tropic crag]

I mean, they could have them interbreedable

It's not out of the realm of possibility

That'd be cool as hell too

[blissful perch]

Idk if we’re gonna get an in depth genetics system

[tropic crag]

If they keep mutation breeding, that better be a part of it or I'm walking to studio Wildcard's mailbox with a strongly worded letter

[blissful perch]

Mutation breeding, if it was NOT just a flat stat booster, would be ok in the genetics model I’ve proposed

[tropic crag]

True

That the one where they can inherit skills, but only so many?

It all gets confused sometimes in here 😅

Profound

[lavish rain]

I laugh when I hear the word variant

[tropic crag]

*Variant

Whoa now, you don't just get to delete that

And edit the other thing

[lavish rain]

🤣

Still

Variant

[tropic crag]

Why is variant funny, I don't get it

[lavish rain]

Variant

Listen to it too many times

[tropic crag]

Certified Schizo Moment™️

[blissful perch]

I’d actually be down for a system like that for skills

Every creature is identical in level but their skills vary between what the skills are and what level (delta - alpha) they are

Some skills would just be one level ofc, but others could have that four level variance

Get some RNG that at the very least isn’t purely stat based

[tropic crag]

Yeah, that could be neat

And the whole thing I was saying earlier would be fine to me if they were considered the same species and just looked different/had a chance at different skills based on their environment, like the snow ones get maybe a blunt weapon resistance skill, while the desert ones get a slashing damage resistance skill (or a chance thereof)

[lavish rain]

All variants are Greek lettets

Omega variant rex

[runic cloak]

any idea for ark 2 price？

[blissful perch]

Biome based creatures could have unique skills or maybe a different odds of having certain skills, sure

[tropic crag]

"Theta Variant Reaper King" and the like would probably get pretty crowded on the screen, though, at least if they keep the floating name UI. You can already hardly see some of the full names and levels of creatures when you scan them with HLN-A lol

[blissful perch]

Why would it show the variant?

That’s the joy. You don’t know from the name alone

[tropic crag]

But that's purely an aesthetic gripe anyways

[blissful perch]

Color cues and perhaps ability cues would tell you

[tropic crag]

Ehhhh, how else would you tell? Nvm

[blissful perch]

Or ya know, entering the creature’s inventory has a UI that shows the biome type

Whatever floats your boat. Although if you breed desert and jungle…what biome type would you assign heh

[tropic crag]

Oooh, so you could knock it/tame it then see the type? And if you don't like it/need it, you just kill it off

[blissful perch]

The biome type. I’m torn on seeing skills at any stage before it’s fully tamed

[tropic crag]

Just have them be considered hybrid, maybe take the stripes from one and the colors from the other, at random when bred

[blissful perch]

Yes but what NAME do you choose?

[tropic crag]

Hybrid

[blissful perch]

Ah so the names will be useless lol

[tropic crag]

All of the ones bred with other biomes are simply hybrid

[blissful perch]

Because everyone and their mother is running hybrids

[tropic crag]

Well, not necessarily, you can have them show between what they are hybrids of

[fallow niche]

Nope. Will have to wait until they give an actual release date more than likely.

[tropic crag]

But if you get all of them hybridized together, that would be one cluttered UI lol (depending on how many variant, I guess)

[runic cloak]

Sure,as long as it’s below 50 dollars

[fallow niche]

Well thats up to wildcard, it's their game.

[runic cloak]

[blissful perch]

The breeding ui could easily be a mess

[tropic crag]

Or I guess they could just not allow hybridizing past a certain threshold, so you can't get all the skills on one dino class

[lime forge]

I would honestly be surprised if it was under 60$

[tropic crag]

I wouldn't, it can't be more than 40 USD as per early access rules

Now, on full release? After all the diehard Ark fans have already bought it so the price doesn't really matter? Sure, 60, easily

[runic cloak]

Lol I brought ark ultimate version last year , and than steam release it for free ,hope not get Fck up again

Double price double pain

[tropic crag]

I always either buy games immediately upon release, looooooooooong after they're dead, or get them when they're free (even if I don't like/see myself playing the game)

[runic cloak]

[tropic crag]

The few games I get in the middle of their lifetime I've either just learned about the existence of, or saw them on a really good sale that was impossible to pass up, but that rarely happens

[tropic crag]

Don't you me boyah

[runic cloak]

The most upset point that is I did not actually get much time to play it yet

5hours total

And now it get free it let me felt like I am dumb

[runic cloak]

[tropic crag]

Rough

If it was 2 hours you could've refunded and got it again but free

But yeah, not much you can do after 2 hours iirc

[ripe cedar]

After 2 hours you have to be convincing because it gets reviewed by an actual person instead of being automated

[tropic crag]

And is almost always denied, even with good reasoning

[past wind]

Steam gave for free the base game, not the DLCs. But why would you buy the ultimate survivor and play 5 hours?! 😂

[runic cloak]

Waiting to change a better graphic card

my 3070 get hot after 1hours gameplay

[tropic crag]

You are fine with a 3070, lmao

Get better cooling

[runic cloak]

6fan

[untold ingot]

I mean, most of the people who play ark have graphics cards that are way worse than a 3070

[split dove]

i got a 1050, basicly everything on max and mine is still fine after playing ark for hours

[lime forge]

1080ti and I rarely shut Ark off

[split dove]

pc build diff it seems

[runic cloak]

Than i think something is going wrong on my pc?

[tropic crag]

That's most likely the answer, yes

[untold ingot]

Because it is heating up a lot? Yeah the cooling isn't working well

Although, if it is running at less than 80c it should be fine for years

[runic cloak]

Like 60-70c

[tropic crag]

[untold ingot]

While running ark? Bruh, don't waste another $800 for a new card lol. That'll run like that for a decade

[tropic crag]

I thought he had an actual problem lol

[runic cloak]

Ya

[tropic crag]

That's baby temps for Ark 1

[runic cloak]

Serious?

[tropic crag]

Yeah

[untold ingot]

The only way to get less than that is to use liquid cooling

[runic cloak]

Ya i will need it when ark2 i suppose

Lol

[tropic crag]

Ark 2 will probably be better optimized, tbh

And not turn my room into a sauna

[untold ingot]

Well, optimization doesn't effect the temperature of hardware components all that much

[tropic crag]

If it runs better, would that not strain the system less?

[untold ingot]

Not really, you'll just get a better frame rate

[tropic crag]

Huh, weird

[untold ingot]

It's mostly the settings that affect how your computer runs

[tropic crag]

Well I don't need more than 60 fps, so I always cap it if possible

[split dove]

bro i wanted a indoor sauna

[tropic crag]

😂

[split dove]

saves money if i can get it for just average game price

[tropic crag]

If I ran Ark on my Series X and PC at the same time, my skin would probably melt off like a ghoul from Fallout

[lavish rain]

How big is this skill tree

How long will it take to max this tree

[untold ingot]

There is no confirmation, but I am hoping it takes like 100 hours or more to max it out

[lavish rain]

I hope it dosent

Talking 100 hours just to see "new skill learned, rators no longer attack you unless provoked"

[untold ingot]

Well, you said maxing it out.

[tropic crag]

Yeah, the endgame stuff better take at least that long to get

[lavish rain]

No

[lime forge]

It better not be possible to completely fill it out at all

[tropic crag]

Ehhh, miss me with that "can't get all the engrams because it's meant to be played with others" bull

Screw that shit

If I work hard enough, I should be able to do everything, full stop

And not just get extra engram/skill points simply because I'm playing in singleplayer, either

[ripe cedar]

Missing all crafting recipes is a lot different to me than having to specialize in the skill tree

As long as you can reset it

[tropic crag]

If respecs are free and fast, sure, let me have to pick and choose what to do any given task with

But if it's an item or something, or you can't do them back to back, then nah, let me learn it all

[ripe cedar]

But then i feel either you would get too op or the skills would not be able to be very impactful

[tropic crag]

One of the most flawed aspects of Ark tbh, the respec requirements and the engram point gain

As long as the skills are unique and not flat stat boosts (which I assumed, because that would be stupid if they were), then I wouldn't have an issue whatsoever

[ripe cedar]

I dont know about no cooldown whatsoever but respeccing without needing an item i am fine with

[past wind]

That’s completely fine. My laptop GPU runs at 90c and it’s fine. 😂

Go play ark 1 until 2 comes out

[ripe cedar]

90 is reaching the limit usually

[past wind]

Yeah, it’s the limit for laptop GPUs

But he is fine. 60-70 for a desktop GPU is totally expected

[lime forge]

90 is well above what I’m comfortable with

[ripe cedar]

Its ok but probably preferable if you got better cooling

[lean raptor]

anyone know how to fix micro stutter when opening inventory

[ripe cedar]

Go to #general or #bobs-with-probs

[past wind]

In that case, never buy a gaming laptop. They are hot. 😂

[blissful perch]

Yes, but a skill system should by NATURE offer choices like this

Engrams is annoying and frustrating because you can’t make a base, saddles, and gunpowder by yourself. But skills should lock people out of being everything at once, and it’s ok to make respecs a bit tricky

[tropic crag]

I dunno, I guess respecs in general have really polarized me against them. There's only a handful of games that have them where I actually go "huh, that's reasonable", and they're all singleplayer games save for one, Grounded, where it's not even really respeccing so much as just changing your perks to the needs of the situation (albeit in a rather unique way that's close enough to consider it as such.)

Also, the part about comparing engrams to a skill system is mostly just me trying to have something to compare it to in-franchise, I know that engrams ≠ skill points in the slightest. But it's the closest thing we've got to them in Ark 1 imo

[blissful perch]

It’s a fine comparison, but the key difference is that skills are optional to gameplay and engrams aren’t

You need a buttload of engram points to build something, ride something, or make basic crafts, which are all basic elements of gameplay

[tropic crag]

Who says skills won't be necessary? They might be to access new areas, or do new moves

[blissful perch]

You don’t think tames will serve this role?

And even if they DO have new abilities or moves, I doubt they’ll gatekeep game content or core gameplay

[tropic crag]

Didn't consider it for a second tbh, but that makes sense

[blissful perch]

You’ll still be able to build craft and survive with a skill set I would hope. It’s how you do so that is impacted by skills

[tropic crag]

I sure hope so

[blissful perch]

Take MHW: you can always finish a hunt with any set of skills or weapons

It’s the method through which you complete the hunt that is changed by your skills and weapon choice

[potent hull]

hi all did shifter all ready kill off ark 2 lol jk

[untold totem]

If ARK 2 is gonna be just a monster hunter clone, I'll pass

I rather tame and lead my tame army

No matter how you execute those dark soul monster hunter moves, I doubt it is effective against the 10 rex whistle attack unless they make the Rexes the instinct to "not fight until one of them dies" instead of the "nomnom wall" of ARK 1

No matter how much the rider whistled

[untold ingot]

There is just something about the nomnom wall that just makes my day

[untold totem]

DS Bob: does fancy dodges

Me with a giga army: whistle target

[untold ingot]

I agree with this lol. Ark1 character stats are way less important than the engrams. Hopefully they change it so that leveling is less of a grind for trying to build things, and more about skills and such

[untold totem]

Even with the skill system like ATLAS ||(yes I keep bring that shit up)||

I always respec, not for stats but for certain skills for say for example building, taming, or even combat or seigeing

[untold ingot]

True. I am interested to see how they go with it. I don't want to see general all purpose skill builds because that ruins the game play imo.

[untold totem]

TBF the server I played there has a skill trees modded for more individual builds like for example

For blacksmithing you either be a Toolsmith, Gunsmith, Boyer (Bow Maker) or Weaponsmith

You can be full on one or two lines of the tree but never all

Same with "Animal Handling"
Not only you choose either Breeder OR Tamer but you also choose between Domesticated, Companion (Shoulder Pets), Beast, OR Exotic

You can be full tamer/breeder or tamer and breeder of a specific species

[lethal canyon]

Hello! Really excited about ark2. Do we have an aprox release date?

[mint swan]

sadly no but we might get details on november 5 during the extra life stream

[mint swan]

Ark 2 sounds trash

Think I’ll stay on ark 1

Generally who asked for a dark souls combat system (never even played dark souls) sounds like it’s going proper pve

[stray elm]

With that name, I don't think anyone should take what you say seriously.

[mint swan]

It’s a sequel game they have to change things plus I think a new combat system can be fun but your welcome to do what you want

[stray elm]

This exactly.
Sequels are suppose to change stuff, while bringing what made the original one good into the next title.
I can't believe there's people who unironically think that ARK's melee combat is good.

[dry flame]

Y'all sittin' here talkin' about PvE and PvP and 1st person and 3rd person when the real issue is this:

Ark 2 needs to have an auto-run key for movement or RIOT.

[stray elm]

Nah, I actually hate toggle-running.
Key-holding running is a lot more easier for me, since I wont forget I have sprinting on.

[split dove]

Autoclicker combat is good, for noobs tho

[stray elm]

True

[dry flame]

Screw that, I wanna smoke weed while I'm in transit! Conan lets me!

Auto-run or riot!

[stray elm]

Sounds like a skill-issue

Could also be a option to choose between the two.

[dry flame]

I can do this while driving a car, sir, it is not a skill issue.

...in theory.

You know what, I just plead the Fifth here.

[mint swan]

I mean there could be a toggle for it

[dry flame]

And the Eighth, for good measure.

[stray elm]

Just realized that anthems are just the theme-song for countries.

[split dove]

The loading songs as you enter the country

[untold totem]

arent XBox does that?

my controller auto run on default

[stray elm]

A lot more different for me between Xbox and PC.

I hate using shift to toggle running.
But since I'll always have my fingers on the sticks, then I just need to press it down.

[mortal kestrel]

I'd be very surprised if skills weren't necessary

while I'd assume most skill requirements for areas could be bypassed with the proper gear or a bit of building (ark is a sandbox game after all) I imagine having skills (in this case, perks from a skill tree, to be more specific so people dont read this thinking I mean skill from the player) would make your life easier in general though

I believe ArkII should have a dynamic where you cover weaknesses with either perks or gear

say you go heat or cold resist perks so you can wear [insert future meta set here] in the relevant biomes/areas

or you can wear your fur or silk equivalent gear in favor of perks you'd rather have instead relating to damage or mobility

[stray elm]

I can see more hazard-zones being locked behind specific skills to make exploring said zone easier.

[mortal kestrel]

well, you can always make an armor set for that too though

[stray elm]

That's also if skills and engrams are unlocked with each other, akin to Atlas

[mortal kestrel]

or, you know... get bitten by an eel, that works too

[mortal kestrel]

I dont like that idea tbh

whats the point of unlocking the ability to use fur if I have cold resist perks anyways?

besides looking fashionable as fuck of course

[stray elm]

The point is the extra protection and fortitude.

[mortal kestrel]

but its counter intuitive design honestly

im sure arkII will have an equivalent of otters and eels, if it doesnt have those creatures directly

[stray elm]

Not really, cause while you may get fur out of the skill. But that wont help in a desert, or hot forest.

[mortal kestrel]

and with your logic, i'd need to unlock some thermal based fortitude to make arkIIs equivalent of silk for hotter biomes

[untold totem]

Tbh I like the item base buffs as well

More realistic than reading a book then suddenly you are immune to overheat without needing clothes and take a mindwipe to forget it

I think perks should be more of a kin to melee skill (like slashing, stabbing, and smack damage) and range skill

Not biological ones like fortitude, hunger, and thirst

Stam, Oxy, Health, and Speed can be retrainable tho

And crafting speed should be just crafting speed, not +to RNG

[blissful perch]

“I think perks shouldn’t be flat stat boosts like fortitude, but should instead be flat boosts to melee damage”

Mazzy nooooo lol 😂😂

[untold totem]

Melee is trainable

[stray elm]

So is pain tolerance.

And lung capacity.

[untold totem]

Aren't just under Health

[blissful perch]

Idc about realism here lol

[untold totem]

Stam, Oxy, Health, and Speed can be retrainable tho

[blissful perch]

The gripe is that your raw stats shouldn’t be flagrantly boosted

[stray elm]

I know, I was more disproving Mazzy's point.

"Melee is trainable"
-So is everything else in the human body.

[untold totem]

Forgot to scroll up bub

[blissful perch]

I was speaking to Mazzy, my B you snuck in

You can’t train how sharp a sword is

[stray elm]

Nah, my middle mouse button got robbed.

[untold totem]

But your technique is

[stray elm]

Sure you can.
Cutting people will sharpen it.
Jk, but sharpening is training a sword in a way.

[blissful perch]

That doesn’t increase damage, it almost always increases your likelihood of striking

Also…cutting people dulls the blade, that’s why people rub the blood off 😂

[stray elm]

No shit, that's why I said 'jk'

[blissful perch]

I’ve decided the jk was insufficient

[stray elm]

I've decided your existence is insufficient.

Now come here.

[blissful perch]

That makes two of us

[stray elm]

Three

Can't leave out the man in my head.

Actually, now thinking about it. I think it'd be interesting to have a Monster-Hunter-style durability.

[mortal kestrel]

tbh I dont want flat boosts in general, thats pretty boring

[mortal kestrel]

sameee

where you just resharpen the weapon or tool whenever it goes dull

[untold totem]

I am more interested if they gonna make whistled dinos less effective now they are no longer be just a "running body-blocking wall of nomnom" army

In favor on that silly dark soul fighting mechanic

[mortal kestrel]

would be great, and makes much more sense than "hmm yes, my sword is low, let me slap on more wood and metal"

[mortal kestrel]

well from what its looking like, damage in general will be a lot more impactful in arkII

so you probably wouldnt want a dino army anyway

especially if dinos get skill trees of their own

would make investing into just one dino and making it super op over time would be way more effective

[untold totem]

But are we sure we ever get that "dino skill" at all

I forgor

[mortal kestrel]

quality over quantity and all that

no we arent

it hasnt been confirmed or denied

hence why I said "if"

[untold totem]

Then for now I'll just still to the ARK 1 wall of constant nomnoming until skills are confirmed

I don't wonna get fooled again

[mortal kestrel]

again?

how were you fooled to begin with?

[untold totem]

Ask @blissful perch and @stray elm

No I am

[mortal kestrel]

arkIs combat is completely irrelevant to arkIIs tbh

[untold totem]

Depends on how "realistic" the AI would be unless it is confirmed so

[mortal kestrel]

it would be extremely off pace if they invest so much into the player... skill trees, parkour mechanics. combo and ability based combat... meanwhile dinos, the thing that actually draws to ark is just

"hmm yes" munch

[stray elm]

Asking what about what?

[mortal kestrel]

besides, even in arkI creatures have gotten more and more complex with each dlc release, paid or not, no reason to doubt that they wouldnt take that knowledge into arkII when making the creatures

[untold totem]

That is the thing

It's like that scene in Indiana Jones where the fancy sword guy is the whole new fancy dark souls stuff

While Indy is the ARK dino army

[mortal kestrel]

this is what is confirmed about AI so far

"No omnipresent radar -- animals now track and hunt by sight, sound, and smell! Hide from predators with visual camouflage and environmental obstructions, and learn to mask your scent! Dynamic pathfinding enables creatures to intelligently maneuver around obstacles and player-built structures."

much more indepth compared to arkIs

[stray elm]

I have no idea what this convo is about

[mortal kestrel]

yes

[mortal kestrel]

basically how dinos will work in arkII

[untold totem]

That is on wild dinos but for tamed 🤷🏼‍♂️

[mortal kestrel]

also you apparently know something about mazzy getting jebaited

[mortal kestrel]

no reason to think tamed dinos would be any dumber

[untold totem]

I doubt those dark souls mechanics are ever gonna beat the typical dino army tbh

Unless they dumb out the tames for balance or give priority to that mechanic

[mortal kestrel]

its likely they are, seeing as its emphasized rather heavily and tamed dino combat isnt really even touched upon

[mortal kestrel]

the only thing I could find mentioning tames is as follows:

"For creature-scale combat, suffice it to say for now that when you attack something with your T-Rex in ARK 2, the results are visceral: the animation of the attack actually hard-impacts on the target (not “passing through” it), the victim’s flesh is torn, and the target physically reacts at that location to the hit – all to convey the feeling of the raw power of such a ferocious creature!"

which doesnt mention anything about fighting with tames you arent actively riding

I do have to wonder how many tames one player can even have in arkII

I doubt it wont be anything like the scale of arkI

with so much emphasis on mechanics involving the survivor being on foot, I dont see the devs allowing us to make mega dino armies that quickly make all that work irrelevant

[untold totem]

Even if they make some realistic animations that slow down the DPS, the number of tames still "counteract" it

[mortal kestrel]

Im getting the vibe that your dino is supposed to be something akin to your best friend in this game

[mortal kestrel]

thats assuming we can even have high numbers of tames

[untold totem]

Knowing ARK players... Doubt it

I am not sure the PVP people want a pet sim

[mortal kestrel]

with damage likely mattering a lot more in arkII, I doubt the realistic animations would slow dps

it would very likely do the opposite, with damage mattering more, that means the damage you do matters more as well

[untold totem]

Depends how the cap it because they need breeders along with fighters

[mortal kestrel]

assuming arkII even shares a similar breeding system as arkI

which Im really doubting

I personally only want to see breeding for the purpose of colors and maybe an imprint bonus

but not actual stats

with the player having a skill tree, I dont think dinos will have the same method of gaining power either... maybe they wont have a skill tree exactly, but they probably wont have per level flat stat boosts either

if anything, all dinos of similar species will have comparable stats, and you raise your dinos power with the saddle you make for it

[untold totem]

Tbh I rather have like all (say a) Rex be same stats, no levels but only gain by imprinting and leveling

[mint swan]

I also want to maybe see a wounds system on the Dino’s like if a trikes horn gets bitten off then it has a missing horn on the model or you could see scars on your tames from fights that make them appear more battle damaged and look like they have been with you for a while other than just ohh all that damage your Rex took from a trike just gets heal from it eating some meat

Gives personalities to the Dino’s

[untold totem]

More models for already bloated game tbh

[mint swan]

Hmm true

[untold totem]

I rather have regional scarring or big armor chipping especially on saddles

Like Last Oasis' Walkers or ATLAS' Legacy Ships

[mint swan]

That’s kinda the idea I was trying to say but I guess I didn’t say it right

[blissful perch]

I am wondering if you’re going to be hard capped at X number of “active”tames

[untold totem]

I mean there are (supposedly) cap in tribal and server tame limits anyways

[blissful perch]

You misunderstand

I’m thinking what if you can only have one rex with you at a time?

[untold totem]

So specie limit?

[blissful perch]

Since it’s true that mass tame spam just invalidates mechanics based combat

Maybe it’s a cap of one pack or large tame can “go out” with you at once?

[untold totem]

It could be plausible since not all tribes is gonna be proactively out unless raids or bosses

But that limits the breeders tho

[blissful perch]

I'm wondering if within X distance of your structures the tame limit rises

so you could have your "breeders/industry" tames out and about but could only bring one at a time "out"? Hmm, it's a thought

[mortal kestrel]

I do like the idea of having a higher tame limit depending on the size of your base

the idea would likely be "ight bois my base is much bigger, so only 3 dinos aint going to be enough to defend it properly"

since the aratai will likely act similar to purges in conan

and they can ride dinos too

[untold ingot]

That seems like a lag fest to me lol

[mortal kestrel]

eh? at arkI standards, yes

but the steam page does mention that the build system has been redesigned to be much easier to load

the quote is specifically this "Instanced rendering and network-streaming enable much higher client and server performance for large, player-built structures, and a longer draw distance! Survivors can set up and save their own preferred building templates, share them, and place prospective template layouts in the world to then build them out as a team."

[untold ingot]

I mean, unless the tame limit is dropped significantly, itll be a mess. Rn its like 500, anymore than that will make servers struggle lol

[mortal kestrel]

I do think the tame limit will be dropped significantly

with damage mattering more, its less likely you'd want a large army over a small group of highly invested in dinos

[untold ingot]

I wouldnt complain too much about that

[mortal kestrel]

Im not

its not a complaint, its just what my thoughts are

[mint swan]

hmm that would make ground combat much more fun and more strategic rather than just ohh we have more dinos than them it becomes a matter of who attacked first and who has the stronger dinos plus much better potential for ambushes if dinos have some sort of stalk mode

i mean with dinos now hunting you in the wild i can imagine that hopefully they will try to sneak up on you if they are like raptors troodons or dilos rather than just gunning for you

plus limiting how many dinos you can have following you of a certain type makes it so that having other normally non useful dinos become useful

[steep fern]

Thad be dope

[mint swan]

yea but sadly likelihood of that happening is low as they would have to make it so that damage for dinos is localized and the parts on the model can be destroyed plus more models to add into the game but a man can dream

[mortal kestrel]

akshully

[mortal kestrel]

thats been confirmed

[mint swan]

ahem i have to go celebrate

[mortal kestrel]

from the website

"For creature-scale combat, suffice it to say for now that when you attack something with your T-Rex in ARK 2, the results are visceral: the animation of the attack actually hard-impacts on the target (not “passing through” it), the victim’s flesh is torn, and the target physically reacts at that location to the hit – all to convey the feeling of the raw power of such a ferocious creature!"

[deft saddle]

cant wait to fling a raptor into orbit with a rex

[mortal kestrel]

this likely means localized damage itself might be a thing, like you see in monster hunter

but it could also just be a cosmetic thing still and dinos just have one big overall hp bar and hitting it anywhere lowers it

[mint swan]

im fine with that

[untold ingot]

I mean, they announced that they are doing it though

[mint swan]

yea but i didn't see that

[blissful perch]

yea not quite what I meant

I'm thinking tames are "stored" by default and simply can't materialize when not "in base"

similar to genesis 2 missions limiting you to one tame

[mortal kestrel]

hmm, I do like that idea too

like you can tame what you want, but can only have so many active at once

I like this idea better tbh, means you can go tame whatever while also restricting dino warfare on a scale that doesnt make ground combat obselete

[blissful perch]

I feel like the tame manager that was teased in the CEO announcement might be hinting at that sort of system

[mortal kestrel]

Im certainly not against it

[blissful perch]

Because Mazzy made good points: why bother with mechanics focused combat if you can leeroy 10 rex at someone?

[wispy sierra]

john dark souls dodge rolling 10 rexes at once

i would like dino combat also to be more skill based

heavy and light attacks for each dino would be a good start

[mint swan]

I mean judging by how they are doing Dino combat from what they said it’s very possible

Or maybe more of an incentive to use alternative attacks on Dino’s rather than just the normal bite

Like maybe the trikes charge inflicts a bleed and a stun effect while the Rex just has a normal bite that does higher damage than other large carnivores

[mortal kestrel]

I want an alien rockdrake/bloodstalker hybrid tame in arkII

[mint swan]

…. I just want rock drakes

[mortal kestrel]

can glide like a rockdrake but also swing around like a bloodstalker, would be epic

[mortal kestrel]

I see rockdrakes coming to arkII in some shape or form... they are one of arks most popular creatures of all time after all, but not likely as they are now

[mint swan]

I’m fine with that just as long as my bois and girls get to be there in some way

[blissful perch]

i think the best bet is pebble drakes

smaller gliding/climbing drakes that are lower on the food chain

[mortal kestrel]

if rockdrakes do come to arkII, the form would like be an alien tame that shares similar attributes

[blissful perch]

I'm down for a rework

removing the jump would be a good move

[mortal kestrel]

I want a creature thats entirely focused on mobility with little to no combat potential

[mint swan]

Rock drake tlc for ark 2 let’s go

I want it

[mortal kestrel]

hence me suggesting a rockdrake/bloodstalker hybrid tame

in the gameplay sense, not the literal sense

[mint swan]

Hmm maybe something more like a bigger sinomacrops

[lavish rain]

Wtf that's like half it's kit

[mortal kestrel]

keep the tame bloodstalker sized

[tropic crag]

🤣

[mortal kestrel]

its a pretty good size for a tame focused entirely on mobility

[blissful perch]

the climbing gliding cloaking and pouncing is 50%?

you're tripping again my man

[mortal kestrel]

if this theoretical stalker/drake hybrid did have any damage potential, it would likely work similar to a rhino charge

it does damage depending on how fast its going

[lavish rain]

The jump is Theo nky reason the gliding and pouncing are viable

And tell me the last time cloak was useful

[tropic crag]

You are high, go sober up

[lavish rain]

No no

[mortal kestrel]

I wouldnt say the jump is 50%, but it is what makes it viable on all maps even without a largely vertical spacd to work with

though I wouldnt mind seeing the jump yeeted in favor for a vertical pounce it can do

after all, the rockdrake can pounce towards terrain even when flat on the ground if it has something to pounce too, no reason why it couldnt just freely pounce up

[tropic crag]

That'd be the only situation I'd be fine with a removal of the jump, being able to pounce from standing

[mortal kestrel]

so in that context, the jump makes a lot of sense

[blissful perch]

sry, I didn't say it explicitly, but that hybrid is OP and thus uninteresting to me

[mortal kestrel]

agreed it would just feel too terrible otherwise

[blissful perch]

I'm fine with a severely limited pounce range for those cases

[tropic crag]

💯

[mortal kestrel]

yeah but your advocating for the removal of a big part of my rockdrakes mobility, especially on flatter terrain

so therefore your lack of interest is inconsequential to me since you obviously dont know the concept of fun

[blissful perch]

I want drakes to be limited so other mobility options for other tames can be considered

I'm rather sick of "kitchen sink" fantasy tames

I'd be fine with the jump and climb if the glide was severely nerfed, but I can't imagine you'd prefer that

[mortal kestrel]

the kitchen sink fantasy tames are interesting, especially in a game where most movement is "hold forward and sprint" simulator that can be efficiently done even with your monitor off

[graceful tinsel]

What’s “kitchen sink”

[mortal kestrel]

throwing random stuff together

[wispy sierra]

my that you mean the ones with just every ability possible smushed into one creature?

[blissful perch]

"everything and the kitchen sink". It refers to stuff with everything someone could think of slapped onto it

[mortal kestrel]

but nothing about the rockdrake really feels random tbh

all the creatures abilites work quite well together

[graceful tinsel]

Jack of all do make the game less enjoyable, like if the Dino’s were more unique it would heavily improve the game

Add more risk

[blissful perch]

agreed

kitchen sink tames dramatically reduce the "viable" roster

[mortal kestrel]

ohhh so thats why shadowmanes have a glide and a bleed, and dont forget their secret web attack thats done by pressing ALT+F4

[graceful tinsel]

It should probably do less damage or invisibility drains more stamina

[mortal kestrel]

rockdrakes already dont do that much damage

[blissful perch]

shadowmanes are one of the worst offenders of kitchen sink creatures, you won't see me saying otherwise

[wispy sierra]

the only thing that feels slightly random is the invisibility

[blissful perch]

I think drakes dropping the jump but having less loss of stam when cloaked is a fine trade

[mortal kestrel]

not really

[blissful perch]

you can't jump glide out of every situation, but you can simply cloak and climb out

and if you're caught in the open on a drake that's your L

[mortal kestrel]

because then you're immobile in a game where a majority of terrain is flat

[blissful perch]

i think you're joking

[mortal kestrel]

no Im not

[blissful perch]

there's been verticality to use with a drake in every map after SE

[mortal kestrel]

I've spent most of my ark time on the back of a rockdrake

Im very familiar with how the creature works and interacts with terrain

[wispy sierra]

i think pebble drakes could be fine as a more niche transport tame for caves and cliffs

[blissful perch]

extinction has tons of elevation to work with, as does genesis 1

genesis 2 you have the entire sides of the ship, as well as the numerous plateaus and mountains...

there's an awful lot of viable terrain to use with a climber/glider

[graceful tinsel]

L take

[blissful perch]

^agree that this is a skill issue

[mortal kestrel]

rockdrakes dont need their jump removed

hell outside of their mobility they really dont have all that much going on for them

my grandma can swing her walker faster than a rockdrake can bite

[blissful perch]

on ab they are one of the highest damage attackers

[mortal kestrel]

they are noisey as hell when gliding

[wispy sierra]

grandma meta tame

[blissful perch]

they're behind reapers (which should be removed in ark 2), basilisk, and spinos

[mortal kestrel]

and their invisibility is as obvious as a fat guy hiding behind a lamp pole

[blissful perch]

that could very easily be improved if WC wanted to

[wispy sierra]

wait, is shift sugesting the removal of jumping in an ark 1 rock drake or a rock-drake-like creature in ark 2

[mortal kestrel]

well not necessarily

reapers are on the genesis ship after all

[blissful perch]

I'm speaking purely about gameplay

[mortal kestrel]

the drake in arkI

[blissful perch]

if i gave a dung about lore I'd be in the praise bob chat

[wispy sierra]

I think the rock drakes are fine in ark 1

[mortal kestrel]

same

[blissful perch]

if the ark 1 rock drake was put in ark 2, I'd want the changes I outlined

[wispy sierra]

well there ya go eve?

[blissful perch]

ark 1 drake is largely fine for ark 1

[mortal kestrel]

I want an alien tame thats a hybrid between the rockdrakes gliding and a bloodstalkers web swinging

it would be so fun to mess around and travel with

[blissful perch]

Blood stalkers already can glide

[wispy sierra]

i'd like a gecko-like tame, can't jump but cimbs fast, used for stealth. would be cool

[mortal kestrel]

parachute*

[blissful perch]

But I’ve noted to never let Eve balance a game

[mortal kestrel]

I've noted to never let shifter balance a game either

[blissful perch]

This is more the role I see drakes in ark 2 taking

[mortal kestrel]

you'd just make arkIs meta all over again

"hmm yes, chomp"

[wispy sierra]

damn things getting heated. need to go get my popcorn hang on

[blissful perch]

Where in my statements did I say I wanted no movement?

[mortal kestrel]

in every statement you've made nerfing concepts of fun and interactive movement

[wispy sierra]

🍿

[blissful perch]

You opened with “let’s slap all movement types onto one creature”, I replied with “bad idea because you’ll kill the number of viable movement tames” and somehow that’s the same as “no movement”

[wispy sierra]

got it, carry on

[blissful perch]

I’m sensing clown energy 😂

[mortal kestrel]

literally not true

I suggested a creature that can glide and use webs

[graceful tinsel]

There needs to be different movement types, speed to weight ratios and such

[blissful perch]

You’re right, you didn’t include mana jumps or enforcer blinks, my B

[mortal kestrel]

I didnt suggest any other movement types for that creature, literally just 2

[blissful perch]

The two fastest and strongest in the game, yes

[mortal kestrel]

or shadowmane teleports

or reaper jumps

[blissful perch]

Drakes and reapers have similar jump heights

And shadowmanes are just too broken lol, those need fat nerfs or removal for ark 2

[graceful tinsel]

Flyers need a heavy nerf

[blissful perch]

^i like this guy

[graceful tinsel]

Make the game way to easy

[mortal kestrel]

its a mobility focused creature with little to no combat capability

of course the movement would be strong otherwise there is no point in getting it

[wispy sierra]

@graceful tinsel congrats, you are now Shifter Certified

am i Shifter Certified 👀

[mortal kestrel]

I agree, fliers should be crippled temporarily if their wings are damaged

and whatever version of wyverns makes it to arkII, the breath needs to act more like poison, no fire or lightning stuff

[mint swan]

Or the fire needs to be less powerful

As much as I love my lightning bois they are too stronk

[graceful tinsel]

Cryopods might need to be removed too, it adds more risk and challenge to manually move your dinosaurs around, personally it feels too over powered that I can transport my whole collection in one trip with no risk on my argent

[blissful perch]

I think the cryo fridge is ok, but the pokeball mechanic isn’t. Does that sound fair?

[graceful tinsel]

Yes

[mint swan]

Yea but cryopods are tek based and there is supposed to be no tek so that’s good

[mortal kestrel]

there's a fundamental reason why I say no fire or lightning

both damage types come out in a continuous stream, which would make dodge rolling irrelevant, it would completely break the balance of the game and combats core design

[mint swan]

True

[graceful tinsel]

I would suggest using them like artifacts, only one full pod per being(human for balancing)

[blissful perch]

Think a little outside the box…you could easily have some primitive themed way to do a similar thing

[wispy sierra]

aw man no more heat. now i have to toss this popcorn. thanks a lot guys

[mint swan]

I’m saying that cryopods as they are now can’t be used I’m not saying there is no possibility of another similar feature being added

[graceful tinsel]

Dodging neeeds to be an aspect of ark 2, it always felt off that my Dino beat another Dino by sitting still and eating it, the ice titan fight was so entertaining to me because I went in solo with a mek and had to dodge all his moves while balancing heat

[mortal kestrel]

and before people say "no wyverns too strong" (which I agree wyverns are too strong and will need to be reworked for arkII) wyverns are like rockdrakes, one of arks most popular creatures of all time

no way they dont make it to arkII, at least indirectly

[mortal kestrel]

its confirmed

[mint swan]

True and also dodging will be a thing and probably will be a vital aspect to pvp and pve

[blissful perch]

Barrel rolls to the sides would be sick for fliers if we’re stuck with them

[mortal kestrel]

as is combo based combat in general

[blissful perch]

Double tap A or D and just scoot on over for actual dogfighting

[wispy sierra]

certain dinos should also be able to dodge. i could see raptors having a dash jump

[untold totem]

In the Rockwell ring... The same ring got destroyed

[tropic crag]

I'll fight you if you speak ill of my children again

[mint swan]

Hmm maybe fliers get reserved to a more scouting role or air combat based role rather than transport

[blissful perch]

Reapers are dumb

[mortal kestrel]

well no, it was the lifeboat that blew up

[mint swan]

I hope spinos are good in 2 I love my croco bois

[untold totem]

With the Rockwell ring in it

[mortal kestrel]

no, because the rings arent in the lifeboat-

[graceful tinsel]

Wyverns need a speed nerf, it feels weird that the biggest and most powerful flyer is also the fastest, why can’t my tiny dinosaur with no weight can’t put speed the wyvern in flight