ark-2

[trim quest]

They’ve stated that for a long long time

I don’t think tek will be in the base game aside from the fragments of the ship falling to the planet

Honestly I hope it’s not in Ark 2

[grand tundra]

yh probaly, but i hope its gonna focus more on the dinoaurs and building instead of aliens and fotureistic :S

[trim quest]

Aside from some sort of narrative point like it existing on other worlds as some sort of universal problem I don’t really want it as a gameplay element.

[ionic meteor]

I highly doubt them being corrupted humans but who knows maybe in the end of the story mode it could be revealed that they're rockwell's creation and that they secretly serve rockwell

[trim quest]

That’s honestly what I’m betting will happen although I can’t be sure until the game is released

[split dove]

this is turning into the cursed lore section of #lore-nerdz but in ark 2 chat

[trim quest]

It was my plan all along

[past wind]

Would be nice if they go that way. That would bring back Rockwell without really bringing him back.

BUT they don’t really look like the corrupted people. They are more like orcs.

[stray elm]

Bruh

They already confirmed they're natives.

They're not.

The steam-page already confirmed they're the natives of Arat.

[past wind]

Can you paste it here? I didn’t find.

I’ve found native fauna and flora, but not the part where they say Aratai is native “fauna”

Not saying they aren’t native

I think they are actually

[stray elm]

Yet again, learn to read.
"Hostile 'Aratai' hunt & attack you riding their own tamed creatures, as they seek to drive human interlopers from 'THEIR' world."

[past wind]

Thanks

[stray carbon]

I'm sure this person knows how to read.

🙂

[stray elm]

This ain't the first time something obvious was right in front of their screen.

[stray carbon]

I miss stuff all the time

But you ain't tellin me that I don't know how to read

[drifting oracle]

Whats the release date?

[stray elm]

That's cause you're my boss.
I joke with you. But I'm not going to make you publicly look like an idiot.

[stray carbon]

release date for?

[stray elm]

What?
You want in on this bullying?

[stray elm]

If you're talking about ARK-2, then 2023.

[drifting oracle]

Ohh

[stray elm]

Exact date is to be announced.
But it's 'theorized' (unofficially) thought to be releasing in June 2023 or before.

[drifting oracle]

But it can be 2023 jan nor dec

[stray elm]

Yep

[drifting oracle]

Oh thats cool

[lavish umbra]

will their be multiplayer in ark 2

[drifting oracle]

Y

[lavish umbra]

wym y?

[stray elm]

It's an ARK-title, so yes.

[drifting oracle]

I think ark 2 will be a respite from ark 1

[lavish umbra]

oh ok i was gonna say because if it was just gonna be a solo experience would not even think about buying it

[stray elm]

Y'all forgor there's a steam-page for the game that answers that question.

[drifting oracle]

Bc of that fighting system

[stray elm]

More or less a hard transition.
Akin to Fallout 1's top-down turn-based combat to Fallout 3's first-person more action based RPG elements.
Different gameplay, but the same in concept at the same time.

[drifting oracle]

Yupp, but idk how will i accept that fighting system and 3rd person view only. Thats soo different from ark 1

[stray elm]

Meh, to each to their own.
I do also dislike that it'll be third-person only. But ARK-1 was also first-person only at launch. So who knows, they might add a first-person later on if people demand it enough.
The combat all depends how it actually works in-game. But personally, anything is better then ARK-1's generic 'RMB until dead'

[drifting oracle]

😄 i think they will not add 1st person bc how would you pvp wifh dark souls pvp system in 1st person

[stray elm]

Easy.
You don't, and you kick the player into third-person when they equip a weapon, or combat.

[drifting oracle]

Ohhh didnt think of that

[stray elm]

Making a game into first-person is hella easy. Just change the camera angle.
But actually making it look 'good' is another story.

[onyx fog]

I think any type of weapon in hand should go 1st person
If you are riding a tame forced 1st person would add a big skill gap IMO....one which experienced players like myself would appreciate.

[blissful perch]

That’s a weird way to say “It would be bad”

If you’re first person, it’s very hard to have a game with so many variable hitboxes like ark’s creatures work well, because you can’t intuit your size and hit/hurt boxes

[brittle root]

Maybe 3023 but 2023 sounds a bit far fetched

[past wind]

Man, that part you sent doesn't say they are native. 😂

"THEIR" is very vague. I won't enter on this discussion again. Even so because I think they are native, but it's not said on the Steam page.

The humans can conquer Arat and call it "Their" planet

[stray elm]

'sigh'

Yes, it doesn't outright say that they're natives.
But if this is a undiscovered planet, (that we know of) and this is 'their' world. It's called 'common-sense' that they're the natives of this world.

[untold ingot]

It's an interesting take, but it would rely on the aratai having the capacity and capability to achieve space travel. Rockwell didn't create them as the only way he was able to create things was by taking control of the arks' capability to Spawn dinos etc

[past wind]

You are implying what you think is common sense... but it's not

[untold ingot]

As he is dead before landing on arat it doesn't make sense that he made them, so if they aren't natives of arat, then they had their own space travel to get there

[stray elm]

Raq, is what they said in the steam-page not clear that they're stating they're natives?

[untold ingot]

Perhaps it isn't common sense, but it is the logical deduction

[past wind]

Agreed. I just think what the other person said, about Aratai being Rockwell's creations is plausible

[stray elm]

Thanks you.
Yes, it might not be common sense. So I am sorry for that.
But it's pretty fucking logical of how they worded it, is that they're natives.

[untold ingot]

Well, considering that one part says that native flora and fauna are being overrun by things from earth, and the next bit with opposing pve force says the aratai are running around with tames, and they clearly aren't from earth, I would say it is logical to assume that they are native to the planet, with like a 5% chance that there is something weird going on

[past wind]

Hence why I think they are native, but not impossible to believe the story the other guy was suggesting would be plausible

[past wind]

Sure, I never said they aren't native, I just said it's not said anywhere they are for sure native

[untold ingot]

I think that is the part that isn't plausible, Rockwell blew up on the ship, he no longer has access to the spawning mechanics because he is dead, and the aratai weren't on the ship

If they aren't native, then they followed a similar storyark to humans. And I just don't find that likely

[stray elm]

Also, the corrupted survivors in the arena where literally 10-feet tall.
The Aratai seems to be the normal 6-7 feet tall.

[past wind]

Rockwell could have been there before. I don't know.

[stray elm]

How?
And why would he bother to come back?

We already got confirmation he directly went to Arat to upload himself after Extinction.
Where in the timeline would he have time to go to Arat, that has yet to be discovered by the ship he's currently on?

[past wind]

For power, I don't know

There are lots of gaps to fill

[stray elm]

.

[past wind]

Ask the guy the other guy 😂

[untold ingot]

Rockwell has never been to arat

[past wind]

I, myself, believe they are like Arat Orcs

not even smart enough to space travel, meaning they are native

[untold ingot]

That seems the logical choice lol

[past wind]

I just though the other guy had a point and you said it was impossible because Steam says they are native. But it's not there. The end

[stray elm]

Had to reinstall Windows, yet again. Cause my computer is slowly dying and the most littlest thing will corrupt Windows

[past wind]

But all the other arguments you both put up there are more convincing to me, than just saying "it's on Steam" LOL

[untold ingot]

Oof, fun...

[stray elm]

Well, yeah.
The steam-page makes it pretty clear.

[stray elm]

Yep

Have to stay with this girl, until I can save up enough to get a new computer

[lunar citrus]

I mean. We're on an alien world and weird monster guys are a threat, I think it's the obvious answer that they're the natives? Even without the steam page literally saying so

[past wind]

It's not obvious and the Steam page doesn't say they are natives. But the argumentation above is good to explain why they are not Rockwell's creations.

[lunar citrus]

"
Hostile 'Aratai' hunt & attack you riding their own tamed creatures, as they seek to drive human interlopers from their world."

[past wind]

?

[lunar citrus]

where the steam page literally says they're natives

Under "Opposing PVE force"

[past wind]

I've said the Steam page doesn't say it.

[lunar citrus]

I literally just copypasted it from the steam page

[past wind]

I can read. And it doesn't say they are native...

[lunar citrus]

"Their world."

[wispy sierra]

damn, deja vu

[lunar citrus]

Yep

[past wind]

I've said above everything I think. Let's move on

[wispy sierra]

i'm with charlie, can we just move on

[fallow niche]

[wispy sierra]

country's doing cleanup i see

[fallow niche]

Some stuff does not need to be said

[past wind]

Agreed. I'm really sorry. Won't happen again.

[stray elm]

For once, I agree with Bird.
Can we just Thanos snap that convo out of existance?

[burnt sparrow]

ark is a dino game prove me wrong

[blissful perch]

Can’t. Statement too genius

[burnt sparrow]

thank u

[south lance]

anything cool happen since august

september passed by too fast

aight 😔

[mint swan]

Thylacoleo are superior tames

Prove me wrong

[untold totem]

No, they require extraordinary kibble to tame those

[ocean tendon]

the superior tame is obviously bob

[soft steppe]

Just to play devils advocate. Just because its their world doesn't mean they are natives. They could be aliens to the planet too and just claimed it first

E.g. USA says that North America is theirs but they aren't the natives

[stray elm]

You'd need pretty damn high technology to be able to space-travel.
They seem to have just entered their own stone-age not long ago.

[soft steppe]

Kinda like the rest of the survivers

Im leaning towards they are natives, but it makes me uncomfortable that im killing natives of an alien planet

[stray elm]

Eh.
We came from a ship, and even the survivors in the trailer have metal-based tools. (Santiago's hatchet)
The Aratai didn't have any metal-based tools in the trailer, just stone and bones.

[stray elm]

Not like we haven't already caused mass genocide to the local ARK population just to gain XP

[soft steppe]

They are all computer replicated though

[stray elm]

No?
They're living beings.

Notes have confirmed they're actually smarter then most basic animals on Earth.
And even more smarter compared to their original prehistoric counterparts.

Being able to give something commands, or even tame it to the extreme of a dog requires decently high intellect.

[soft steppe]

That just proves they are more unnatural

Id perfer 2 aliens races and we are teaming up with one to fight the other one

[tropic crag]

Doesn't make them any less of a living being lmao

[stray elm]

Doesn't matter if they're natural or not.
They're, in-universe, still living breathing animals that can feel emotions.

[fallow badge]

does it really matter though, its just a program

[soft steppe]

Killing clones we created for the purpose of killing is different to going to a planet and killing off the natives

[stray elm]

We're talking about in-universe.

[stray elm]

They 'didn't' create them for killing, that's the thing

They where created to preserve life.

[soft steppe]

Perserve like eg farming

[stray elm]

Here's a question for you.
Lets say I clone a human from a tube, and they're biologically enhanced to be the best of humanity.
Does that make them less valuable then, since they're a clone?

[fallow badge]

yes

[stray elm]

That's dense as hell.

[fallow badge]

they are artificial, unnatural as someone else said

[stray elm]

Who gives a shit if something is unnatural?
They still have a functioning brain that works the same as we do.
Which, since our conscious and personalities are ties to our brain. Why does it even matter as long as they can feel emotions?

[soft steppe]

Would you still classify them as human?

[stray elm]

If they have human DNA, yes.

If they are still biologically human, and are literally just a human bred from a tube.
Yes

By definition, they are human.

[fallow badge]

eh at this point its just based on morals

[soft steppe]

Well their dna would have been manipulated artificially

To be 'the best human'

[stray elm]

I did forget about that part.
Which, arguably means they'd be the most 'human' out of all of us.

[soft steppe]

All im saying is I kinda get where the natives are coming from

[stray elm]

No shit. I do to.

I'd be also pissed if some alien races crashed down, possibly killing thousands of my species, and start claiming my land as their own.

[fallow badge]

yes they can be seen as human from an outside perspective but if they are the best of being human then i dont think they'd be human since humans cant be the best inherently, humans have flaws, those flaws separate us from other humans

[soft steppe]

Ahh anyway it will be interesting how it will all play out

[stray elm]

Get roached.

[soft steppe]

And im sure there is more to the story than they have told us

[stray elm]

No shit humans have flaws, every living animal does.
And this theoretical human would have their own flaws. You can't erase that.
But they'd be biologically a pinacol human.

Name him Jerry

[soft steppe]

Like this is only one part of the planet who knows what other creatures lifeforms are here

[fallow badge]

then what is the pinacol of being human if theres still flaws, doesnt really sound like a pinacol of anything

[soft steppe]

They gotta leave some content for expansion packs lol

[stray elm]

Theoretical stuff that you'd probably call us all dumb/asses for.

'Uh oh, stinky'

Yeah, cause you killed it

You popped its stink-sack

[soft steppe]

Also there also no pinnacle of human as it all depends on the environmental conditions they are living ie adapting to conditions. Thats what evolution is all about

[stray elm]

Yeah, sounds dead.

[stray elm]

'sigh'

Did you do an uppercut on their ass?

Yep.
Cause that intelligence can easily negate and environmental hazards, if they know what to do and can do said thing fast enough.

Having good intelligence 'is' a way to adapt to any environment.
It's how we spread like fucking cockroaches on Earth.

Irragation was pretty damn OP.
Same with agriculture.

[soft steppe]

Having good intelligence, just doesnt happen. There are physical trade offs more complex brain. Longer time in juvenile state

[stray elm]

They could, but I don't know.

[soft steppe]

Being strong means you need denser bones to support muscles etc

Therefore higher body weight food consumption

[stray elm]

That, my good sir. Is kind of a lie.
You can have good intelligence naturally by inheriting more neurons.
Also, information (to a degree) can be passed down without verbal communication, it's how phobia's can be passed down.
Also, information being passed down 'is' evolution.

Actually, I have a dumb question for you Bird. If you're interested.

If you where to put yourself into the the in-game universe.
Do you think a cloned creature would have any less value, even though they're biologically better then their counterparts. Then to a native animal like the Aratai?

Ight, making sure I wasn't the crazy one here for once.

This is exactly my thought on this whole convo.
A lab-created human is still a human by the end of the day.

Right.

Wait, on the bed?

Oh, that's why.

Yeah, that's gonna do like nothing to it.
You're probably just stinking up your bed.

I've learned the hard way with a wasp that 'smacking an insect with a hardcover book does jack shit against a soft surface.'

Yeah. Insects have pretty damn hard carapace on soft surfaces.
You have to squash them between to hard surfaces, then they just don't press down on the soft-surface instead.

Nah, it's gonna come back up.

Told you

Insects rule the world in population not only cause they can nut and bust fast.

There you go.
Hard-surface on a hard-surface.

Did you at least salute it for its admirable attempt of fucking with you?

Damn

[soft steppe]

Ok does your thoughts change if the clone is a copy or original

[stray elm]

I'd give that guy the highest insect funeral I've done.
Wrap it in toilet paper, light a candle, and flush them down.

True

[stray elm]

A copy 'is' a clone.

[soft steppe]

Well creating a apex human wouldnt be a copy

[stray elm]

Technically, we're biological clones of our parents.

I'd say we're both clones/mixups of our parents and a few generations before.

Neat

Well 'YEAH!'
You're popping a bone out of its socket.

Yeah, I have a mutation also.

It's called 'dumbassery'
Rare gene mutation I've heard.

[tropic crag]

pinnacle*

[ocean tendon]

avatar moment

[tropic crag]

Also, these dudes must not have a very high understanding of preservation of life lmao. The whole reason that the dinos and humans are clones was to preserve Earth life at all costs, because it's important. The fact that we kill some of the dinos (which canonically breed in the wild/have their own circle of life and natural food chain, btw) so we can cook and eat them as well as feed them to our own is to continue the cycle of life. How hard is that to understand?

[blissful perch]

Almost all phobias stem from trauma or socializing

[blissful perch]

Categorically false…sexual reproduction is definitionally to create NOT clones

[blissful perch]

There are many people who value human life infinitely higher than other animal life. Not super shocking

[ripe cedar]

Also unlike us omnipotent beings who know all da lore the genesis colony may not even know the arks were successful and believe they are truly the last humans left

[tropic crag]

Except for the fact that we already know that they know Earth is ok, from the very first trailer. Otherwise, they'd have no clue who in the hell HLN-A is, let alone the king titan or the mega mek shown in the cave art of the second trailer (and subsequently what the girl says about Earth in said second trailer as well)

[hot dock]

cool

[ripe marsh]

Ark 2

[swift hinge]

when is ark 2 releasing?

[split dove]

2023

[swift hinge]

thanks

[limber vault]

Nobody will play ark2 because dev’s can’t fix ark 1 🤡

[stray elm]

[split dove]

i told you it's always the same people

[stray elm]

Yep

[past wind]

I will ☠️

[limber vault]

Thank you for your feedback 🤝

[past wind]

You’re welcome 🦾

[lone elm]

im sorry to hear that

[limber vault]

Devs just suck I guess 🤷‍♂️

[drifting oracle]

ark 1 is always number one for me, ark 2 will be only for the times, ill be bored 😄

[tawdry frigate]

If I did them both on my PC it would blow up it takes so much space I wonder how much ark 2 will take up

[split dove]

ark 2 will probably take less space at launch and in general since it's gonna be ''more optimised'' and won't have 10 whole maps at the start

[blissful perch]

I’m actually insanely hype to uninstall ark 1

Had a great run with it, and am ready to free up 400GB and move to the next title where the game is better

[brittle radish]

Agreed

but I managed to bring down the space arks take from 400GB to 200GB

[drifting oracle]

Thats not a problem for me, but i dont think it will take that much space when it will be on new unreal engine 5

So more optimised and everything

Im quite exited for more deeply optimised ark, i wanna play on full max details on 4k without having to worry abt game crashes or 60fps xddd

[mint swan]

ark 2 when?

2024?

[split dove]

next year

[mint swan]

isnt that too soon?
i mean... will it be enough time for the devs to fully optimize it?

[split dove]

the foundation of the game is more than ark 1's 7 months, so it should be more optimized

[mint swan]

they can release it in early access like they did with ark1 tho... so ig it can be 2023 too

[split dove]

they will release it in early access next year tho

[stray elm]

They already confirmed the Early-Access phase of the game is next year

So, next year is when the game is ready to play.
The 'launch' date has yet to be known.

Probably 2-3 years like ARK-1 did.

[mint swan]

i agree too

[rustic oxide]

ark is broken and still mega fun so if ark 2 is broken I wouldn't even care

[graceful tinsel]

Bad take

[robust furnace]

shit take

[vital nebula]

gonna pve the shit out of ark 2 and get into the lore

i owe it to vin diesel

[stray elm]

Atleast he's good for something. (I kid)

[stray elm]

Where you a PvP player beforehand?

[vital nebula]

still pvp but my gut says pve is going to be better for ark 2 w/ NPCs and stuff

also a good way to learn the game without getting set back every day to no lifers

[stray elm]

True

[vital nebula]

i also have way less free time tbh, can't dedicate my life to a game anymore

would be cool to see raid windows for pvp servers and servers that wipe more frequently

[untold ingot]

I would love to see pve like normal ark, with some special tp rooms for pvp

[spiral jolt]

I would like to see more advanced dino ai like they don't stay in one place instead they wander around(in a small area) and have traits or slt

[acoustic ginkgo]

I’d like to see a server with no hacks

[mint swan]

i hope pve in ark 2 is gonna be sooo good that well get a feeling of playing far cry primal

and i rly hope there will be a huge freakin cool skill trees... something that will make it rly worth it to ascend to get extra levels to access higher level skills (or just get extra skillpoints)

i wonder if youll directly be able to put skillpoints into weight , hp , melee dmg , oxygen , speed etc... or if there will be only skills and there will be smth like Weight I , Weight II , Weight III etc each giving +50 or so weight and each costs more skillpoints...

Or... there will simply be 2 different systems , 1 with attribute points exactly like in ark 1 , and a completely new skill tree with skillpoints

[untold ingot]

I am hoping for the III type tree. Games with that just seem so much more well done imo

[fallen fiber]

pvp in ark II:
Other people, but theres also Aratai...
idk im not a pvp player

[stray elm]

[old turret]

Flopped yet?

[dusky glacier]

When is ark 2 gonna be out!!!!!

[drifting oracle]

2023

[dusky glacier]

When in 2023!!!!

[ripe marsh]

If we're going by what Xbox said, maximum release would be June 2023

[wispy sierra]

no exact date has been revealed yet

[drifting oracle]

Thats not the date, but year

[wispy sierra]

a year is part of a date

[drifting oracle]

Yuppp but it is in 2023 xddd

[wispy sierra]

yeah

[onyx trellis]

I doubt there will be skills like that, but it is said it will be third person only, and feature an Elden ring style combat systemz meaning you can block and dodge and all the good stuff

[ripe marsh]

they actually confirmed those in pins first link. Go check it out it also got more details on what to expect

[molten swan]

Ark2 :0

[onyx trellis]

Thx

[ripe marsh]

mp

[mighty lion]

I'm hoping it's a dual system like other RPGs. Where you can assign points to specific traits like "carry weight" and then an additional skill tree that's for the passive and active perks they mentioned. Going to be interesting to see how they implement the " knowledge points"

[mint swan]

hoping knowledge points will be related to finding those dossiers and documents , since in ark1 finding them only gives some skins

[mighty lion]

From what they've said it sounds like it will be related to optional missions. Like "tracking a creature to its den"

[mint swan]

ahh yes i remember that , and finding egg missions too... maybe finding dossiers would be a permanent side mission.. or they didnt even implement them yet... maybe its gonna be like ark 1 with every few weeks adding new dinos , features , engrams to construct , building engrams ,new missions , maybe even improvements to the npcs

[stray elm]

There wont be any usable tek, so no

[drifting oracle]

There wont be any tek

[stray elm]

No, they did just confirm tek ruins.

[drifting oracle]

Whats that

[stray elm]

Stuff like tekgrams, tek-bows, tek-suit, etc, wont be in ARK-2.

[stray elm]

Pretty fucking self explanatory.

Ruins of stuff like the Genesis-ship, which where tek-based.

[drifting oracle]

That isnt really like self explanatory, okay, some tek ruins, but what will it have inside em? Or they r just for fun or what. When ark 2 will be primitive ark, not tek ark like 1 one so i dont quite understand

Bc tek ruins doesnt mean tek items etc..

[stray elm]

No shit.
Tek ruins as in the crashed ship.
'Environmentally' tek is staying, since environmental tek has been in ARK-1 since day-one. (Obelisks, the implant, supply drops, etc.)

[drifting oracle]

Okay, enviromentally, but not as usefull items right?

[stray elm]

That's what I did say, yes.

[stray elm]

.

This is also just talks of the base-game for ARK-2.
We don't know if they'll reintroduce usable tek, or another form of a sci-fi tier in a later expansion.

[blissful perch]

I believe den tracking etc may not be a “mission” at all so much as a world event where you can observe certain behavior and act on it? I guess the den fights could work that way tho

[soft steppe]

Id say the tek ruins wont be useable because there is no element

But will be interesting how they explain how we 'respawn'

[blissful perch]

Don’t underestimate the capacity to scavenge

[tropic crag]

I imagine it's something along the lines of us being cloned from our pods or just non-canon now, hopefully

[stray elm]

Or, they wont.

[blissful perch]

Use the MH cat cart

[stray elm]

Cause there isn't a canon explanation of why we respawn on Genesis-2.
Only fan-theories.

[tropic crag]

On Gen 2, yeah. We technically at that point are just exposed to the potential for death, unless the HLN-A death messages/respawning there is supposed to be canon, then we probably spawn from the pod like we do in the ending for Gen 1 leading into the intro cutscene for Gen 2

[soft steppe]

Well there is a replicator system on the gen2 ship

[stray elm]

Right, but at that point. That's just fan-theories.

[stray elm]

To replicate tools, or people?
Cause I thought that thing was meant to resupply the ship.

[blissful perch]

I think it replicates animals plants and resources

[tropic crag]

I mean, there's clearly cloners on the ship

[soft steppe]

Well its there to create everything, dinos resources etc

[tropic crag]

It wouldn't be a stretch to say we respawn there imo

[soft steppe]

Basically the same tek as on the arks

[stray elm]

I've always wondered how they're able to plop a survivor onto the ARK's while no one is watching.

[soft steppe]

Lets just not talk about how they transfer data from the arks to the gen2 ship though hehe

[stray elm]

Pretty sure it's all a connected, single system.

[soft steppe]

Whats the planet called again we crash landed on

[stray elm]

A rat

[soft steppe]

Arat prime?

[stray elm]

No, Arat.

[tropic crag]

Just Arat, Arat Prime is where the ship launched from on Earth

[stray elm]

Arat-Prime is the launch-site of the Genesis-ship

Or, as I like to call it.
AHH RAT

[mint swan]

A-rat

[stray elm]

Okay, So Peter-Fries did just confirm respawning is canon on Genesis-2

Basically, both the fact that the ship has similar technology that the ARK's did. 'And' that Helena-Deus came to the ship before we did, she most likely tampered with the respawn system like she did with the ARK's.

[tropic crag]

Cool, I kinda guessed it was, but never confirmed or denied so it was just speculation until now

[stray elm]

Yep.

So, at least that's one fan-theory that has been closes.

[split dove]

I knew rats were aliens sent to earth from their homeworld of Arat

[stray elm]

If only we can convince people that Rockwell didn't make the Reapers

[split dove]

Good luck with that one

[stray elm]

You're laughing.
I'm dying inside, and you're fucking laughing.

[untold ingot]

Did Rockwell create any of the ab dinos?

[stray elm]

No

[tropic crag]

That's just a disproven theory, as the writer already said so, did he not?

[stray elm]

All he made on Aberration was the power to harness Charge.
I.E. Light-gun, and batteries.

[untold ingot]

That's what I thought, because Mei both force tamed a drake and fought a reaper before Rockwell went all decomposed octopus

[stray elm]

Oh, and that one abomination that was put down instantly.

[split dove]

Rockwell just made a oversized flashlight tbf

[stray elm]

Basically.

And made batteries. (somehow nobody thought of that before him)

[stray elm]

Yes, but the major part of the community still believe this

[tropic crag]

He made the charge? I don't remember that part, but to be frank Ab is the notes I haven't read in the longest amount of time...

[tropic crag]

Doesn't make it any less disproven

[stray elm]

He didn't create Charge. He just harnessed it.

[tropic crag]

You know what I meant

[stray elm]

He did this to distract the tek-tribe to think that's his main project. When in reality, he was testing on a small sample of liquid element.

[split dove]

[stray elm]

Yeah, I have a lot of his Aberration notes ingrained in my head. Since I was the person that wrote down his notes into a story-line for the Survival-Stories

[tropic crag]

Makes sense

[hallow wind]

so respawning is canon.
but wasnt there talk about were on the moon of the planet that the genesis ship did land on?

lmao
respawns on the planet with 0 oxygen

[stray elm]

A moon can have oxygen, you dummy.

Correction: A celestial body can.

[hallow wind]

no but the ship didnt land on the moon

so if u repawn u spawn where the ship is

[stray elm]

You wouldn't respawn at all of the system was only on the main part of the ship, since it's blown the fuck up

[hallow wind]

its no like theirs oblisks to exact your coordinates to where you want to spawn

[stray elm]

Well, you can't in-canon either.

[hallow wind]

south zone (easy) 1
south zone (easy) 2

and so on

[stray elm]

That's gameplay, my man

That's just a mechanic for the game to allow you to choose where to spawn.

None of the survivors where able to choose where they would wake up.

[hallow wind]

i remember a note on the island about it

[stray elm]

Oh, then please do send me it.

[hallow wind]

he had a vague dream?
i think it was nerva

his first explorer note
im playing the island rn i gotta find it again

[stray elm]

He talks about how barbaric the people are of The Island in his first note

[hallow wind]

in one of his first notes he speaks about his dream of an island

the first time i found it i was being attacked by bugs and couldnt read it much

[stray elm]

Funny, I don't recall that in Nerva's video of the Survival-Stories.
Where we recreate and hire voice-actors to read off the notes.

[hallow wind]

somethin about him having a dream

and an island

[stray elm]

He talks about his time during the Roman empire, but nothing about a dream of The Island

[tropic crag]

That's the non-canon beta note you're thinking of, and it's not Nerva but who Nerva was originally

[stray elm]

Was going to say this if they realized they're tripping.

I was waiting till "wait, where the fuck did the note go?"

[soft steppe]

But rockwell did create the gen2 monsters?

[stray elm]

Noglins, Shadowmanes, and the flower guy

Also, we where talking about Aberration.

[soft steppe]

And i moved it to gen2

Its called advancing conversation

[tropic crag]

He also more than likely started the replication of things like the reapers and velonasaurs and such, because they weren't previously on the ship (we can infer) being as they were created elsewhere. The files for them in the sim were probably uploaded to the ship via Arat Prime's uplink when he transferred himself over, taking them with him

[regal spear]

They better make a skinning animation and spears the dominant weapon

spears are one of the most successful weapons of all time, and they were nerfed as hell.

[stray elm]

There's many, many, many, many, many better primitive weapons then spears.

A bow.

[lime forge]

The Atlatl

[brittle root]

Hammer better than bow

[stray elm]

If we're specifically talking stone-age, then yes actually they'd be right. (also bows)
But it depends on how far of progression we'll be able to go with this 'primitive' gamestyle.

Yep.

[lime forge]

They’re gonna have bows. All the survivors are intelligent people. The loss of tek isn’t gonna take them all the way back to the Stone Age.

[stray elm]

I was thinking though more up to Bronze-Age, at the most.
Which......bows still actually where pretty damn good at that point.

Bows are just OP in most situations.

Eh, don't like a guy that's coming to your walls?
Just fucking shoot him!

[lime forge]

Bows never stopped being good. They are far more effective for range than spears ever were.

[stray elm]

Want to shoot a bird, but don't want to get up from your lazy ass?
Just shoot that damn pigeon!

[lime forge]

Then why couldn’t we say bows when you asked?

[stray elm]

Yep.
Spears where more close range combat-based weapons, while bows where long-ranged.

That's like comparing a knife to a fucking AR-15.

[lime forge]

Ehhh. Idk there’s very few instances I’d take a spear over a bow in a game if any at all.

Then I kite and shoot it

Like a man

[stray elm]

Spears are also great if you stab something like a compy, and you both kill that annoying fuck 'AND' shish kabob their ass for a campfire.

[lime forge]

I’ll tame that whole pack by feeding them the weakest of the group.

I’ll use either a bow or a club to knock ‘em

Wouldn’t be the first time or the last

I was a bob once

Then I was a bob with flak for the first time and I thought I was immortal

[wispy sierra]

Paddy, death toll

[lime forge]

I used to go to official ragnarok and type “PvP at blue ob” into world chat then sneak people with a club when they show up. By the end of it I was like level 30 running around with ascendant flak and capped tames lol. Shit was great

[stray elm]

Damn, that's actually a great strat if it still worked.

[lime forge]

I wasn’t a bob at that time I knew what I was doing

[stray elm]

Just run up to tek-armor guys and knock them out, steal their shit.

Damn, I never noticed that during my PvP days.
Just used tranq darts, then shocking tranqs when they came out.

....wha?

You got some OP fucking shit on you.
And you don't put armor on?
The fuck where they smoking?

TRUE!

I missed red-ascendant gears as a whole.

I still hate the cyan color.

We already have a blue shade.
We don't need 'blue but lighter'

Yep

Wonder if there's a mod to restore that.

Okay, let me correct myself.
I wonder if there's still a 'working' mod that does that.

Yeah, but new updates can sometimes fuck up older mods.

That's true.
But they could've changed something about ascendant based gear with their internal-coding since then that it counts.

[hallow wind]

ark 2 trailer.
what did santiago say goodbye old freind too.

whatever it was, could've awoken and idk maybe it is some sort of Ark

[stray elm]

A terminal accessing the Genesis-system

[hallow wind]

and its in a cave?

a solid stone cave.

[stray elm]

Yep

[hallow wind]

u cant just put that in there its been there for millennia

[stray elm]

You can, if you have access to the knowledge of tek-based engineering.

[hallow wind]

do u see santiago with tek armour?

[stray elm]

I.E Santiago at one point, or the survivor from ARK-1

[stray elm]

Where's the survivor?

[hallow wind]

in space

[mighty lion]

Some of the art depicts massive crashed sections of the ship in the background... it makes sense for some of it to be buried

[hallow wind]

prolly dead

[stray elm]

ARK-2 is like 4-years later.
I doubt they're STILL in space.

[stray elm]

They're not going to bother saving a protagonist, just to kill them off in the most lackluster idiotic way ever.

[mint swan]

*next year

[stray elm]

We're not talking about release dates

[mint swan]

ohh

im dum

[stray elm]

Yes

[hallow wind]

it makes sence

[stray elm]

Not yet, please no spoilers.

[mint swan]

[hallow wind]

a new start on Ark

[stray elm]

Not at all.

Maybe in your weird world, it does.

[hallow wind]

it is possible he survived and had a life for himself on the new planet

[stray elm]

Or, if you read the steam page.
We're still playing as them.

[hallow wind]

but i doubt we see any of him during the story of Ark 2

[mighty lion]

? Santiago?

[stray elm]

Cause 'our' part of this new world, is to find out who we are after losing out memories it seems.
Was loosely stated in the steam-page.

[hallow wind]

no us the player

[stray elm]

"you must piece together the history of how you arrived there"
Sounds like a amnesia story.

[hallow wind]

because as a multiplayer sandbox, we must all find out we are all 1 person

unlikely.

[stray elm]

Welcome to how most online games tell a story.

[hallow wind]

sorry but i see Fallout76 having better sequels as a multiplayer franchise then simple dementia

[stray elm]

A majority of online games that try to have a lore to the characters, usually just unify everyone into one canonical character.

SKYRIM is a fucking single player game

You mean ESO?

[mighty lion]

Eso broke my heart as an elder scrolls fan

[stray elm]

Yeah, even that game more or less tries to make you out as the single protagonist.

[hallow wind]

im just saying all these games

[stray elm]

Help me escape this madness cLeo has started

[hallow wind]

make u be your own person

[stray elm]

Yep.
And there's a major difference between in-universe and gameplay shit.

[mighty lion]

I doubt they will have a story that limits the player to being a protagonist

[stray elm]

They did it with Genesis-2.

[hallow wind]

Ark itself made u be your own person

[stray elm]

Until Genesis 2, where the cutscenes don't compensate for other plays and expect you to do it yourself.

[clever vortex]

I can see something like that being the replacement for the explorer notes, where you can recover memories at certain spots and it just helps to recap the events of the first game for new players, but it would also need a new story to go along with that.

[hallow wind]

We shouldnt make our character from Ark 1 be the character of Ark 2

[mighty lion]

That's a good point

[spring rune]

ark 2 will have third and 1st person mode i mean both?

[lime forge]

Just 3rd person

[worldly garden]

1st person will likely be introduced through Mods, but it is still unknown how adversely affected gameplay would be with 1st person if it is designed for 3rd only. But of course official servers have no choice.

[nocturne raptor]

So excited for ark2 holy molyyyyy

[ripe cedar]

Third person makes those who commit sins in the character creator have to face them for the rest of time

[autumn bronze]

I feel like it’s going to be like the new cod third person but when you aim in with a weapon it will auto switch to first

[lime forge]

I doubt that considering its gonna be a target locking system

[autumn bronze]

Oh well damn I can’t wait till some gameplay videos start coming out lol cuz that sounds odd to me target lock system what does that even mean?

[lime forge]

Press a button lock on to target, press another button to switch targets.

[rustic oxide]

Man ark 2

What an idea

[brittle root]

It’d be good if they made smart choices

I don’t want a refined pvp system I want ark 1 pvp without all the bugs and exploits

[fallow niche]

Ark 2 pvp is already going to be different than Ark 1 pvp because it's a new game and a different combat system. This is not a rant on Ark 1 channel, keep that in #ark-survival-ascended or #general.

[untold totem]

There will always be bugs and exploits especially when PVP is the prime game mode

People just always want to win for nothing

[brittle root]

True but will ark 2 even take skill to pvp?

And it wasn’t ark 1 talk it’s just I wanted to see ark 2 have the same type of pvp

[lime forge]

Ark 1 PvP doesn’t take as much skill as it takes “know how”

Ark 2 PvP is likely gonna have a higher skill cap with just the new combat system.

[brittle root]

As much skill but it still takes some

I just don’t want to see ark 2 with quick time event pvp lol

[blissful perch]

If you don’t want to see cheating and exploits, you may want to play a different PvP game

Unless a miracle in CoC enforcement happens, no amount of coding for a project this ambitious is gonna be cheat free and definitely not exploit free

[brittle root]

Any game will have cheats no matter where you go I just would like to see less of it but one can only hope

[blissful perch]

Indeed. Generally more simple games have less cheating 😅

[tropic crag]

It's skill based combat, not QTEs. No need to worry bud

[blissful perch]

Ofc “skill” is a strong term lol. We’ll have to see how that actually plays out

[stray elm]

Jokes on you, I have no regrets.

[fathom current]

a

[shy tiger]

@drowsy ibex will Ark 2 have PvP?

[mint swan]

e

[blissful perch]

don't ping him with a question you can answer by looking the game up on steam

it makes the community look stupid and lazy, and makes him less willing to bother reading a ping about something that's good enough for him to read

[shy tiger]

@drowsy ibex can you get a load of this guy ^ 😂

[mint swan]

so is ark 2 gonna be mainly pve based cause thats what it seems like

[mint swan]

and ik after it releases wildcard isnt gonna give a fuck about ark 1 so i just hope that pvp doesnt die

[shy tiger]

Trust me I know, these people out here with so much copium, like WC cares at all about PvP

[fallow niche]

Pvp and pve.

[mint swan]

yea but it seems like its focused on pve

[fallow niche]

Keep in mind this is not a "rant on Ark 1" channel, keep that in #general or #ark-survival-ascended where it already is.

[fallow niche]

No, it does not. Read the pins.

Sounds like both to me.

[mint swan]

i mean everything ive seen makes it seem like its focused on pve

[fallow niche]

Where did you see that it was going to be focused on pve...?

[mint swan]

trailers and the steam page

just sounds like its mainly focused on pve

[fallow niche]

How, when neither have shown any form of gameplay and have only given a description?

[blissful perch]

the steam page that says "primitive survival pvp"?

[mint swan]

yea ofc its gonna say that they want money from the ppl that wanna play pvp but that doesnt mean that they are actually putting effort into it lmao

[blissful perch]

that's not what you were asking now was it

[fallow niche]

It...says pvp. That means it'll have it. Doesn't mean it'll be good or what you want.

[mint swan]

well that wasnt my question now was it

[blissful perch]

considering ark 1 pvp didn't "get much effort" either

[fallow niche]

If you want Ark 1 pvp, you're going to be disappointed anyway, since it's a completely different game.

[mint swan]

ark 1 has been a shit show for the past few years lmao

[stray elm]

Welcome to how game-progression works.

[blissful perch]

yes, which is why I'm sad to see the pvp label for ark 2

they should have dropped it entirely and let it be an unofficial setting

[mint swan]

ur high

[stray elm]

He do be right though

[blissful perch]

if WC can't make pvp work on official, why offer it?

[mint swan]

nah pvp is why the game is actually fun

[blissful perch]

if you like the cheating, bugs, exploits, and lack of CoC enforcement that are commonplace in ark 1, then I don't see how ark 2 could deliver less

[mint swan]

i mean it works just fine they just dont have any sort of anti cheat for win10 and they take a long time to fix bugs

[blissful perch]

so it'll continue to work fine with ark 2 comes out is what I'm hearing

although I guess events shutting down after this year is a RIP

[mint swan]

yea if they fix shit in a timely manner and implement some sort of anti cheat that actually works

[blissful perch]

I suspect ark 1 and 2 will play extremely differently, beyond anticheat and bugs

[mint swan]

but they take so long to fix everything and cheating is still a huge problem that has been in the game for years atp when im sure could have been fixed with an anti cheat

[blissful perch]

fixed third person, parkour movement, and more input based combat implies ark 2 and ark 1 will have pretty major differences in how pvp will work

[blissful perch]

anti cheat works worse when the game is complex, and ark is not a simple game with clean code

[shy tiger]

I just want to see gameplay of ark 2... why such a long wait?

[blissful perch]

because it's still being made? Gameplay is only worth something very close to release when it's accurate to what we see when the game comes out

[shy tiger]

it was originally set for release this year my guy...

[mint swan]

why wouldnt they just use an anti cheat that other games use so when there is software that is interfering with the game it wont open

[mint swan]

just like every dlc for ark 1 lmao

delayed over n over again

[blissful perch]

ok, but then it became not this year as of what...spring 2022?

[mint swan]

wouldnt be surprised if we dont see ark 2 till 2030 tbh

[blissful perch]

better than extinction and gen 2 when we had actual dates and they were missed big time

[shy tiger]

any money it comes out in 2023 as early access

[blissful perch]

it is already launching in early access

[blissful perch]

that's not something I would know 🤷‍♂️. I know very little about anticheat

[shy tiger]

that's such a good shield for them if it launches with meshing and bot, oh dont worry its early access, still not convinced there will be guns tho lol, good way to stop botting

[mint swan]

i mean it seems like an easy fix anti dont seem like they are too hard to make i messed around with the basics awhile ago

[mint swan]

yea but im sure there is gonna be some op dino that has a ranged attack that botters will use lmao

[blissful perch]

the primarily primitive, no tek environment may be a huge boon since it'll hopefully mean no hitscan weapons or heaven forbid another tek railgun

[mint swan]

yea but at the same time the pvp could get rlly stale fast without those

[shy tiger]

could just be another situation where they introduce tek throughout the games life time, with dlc and such...launch primal

[blissful perch]

you do not need a wall hack gun to make pvp less stale XD

[mint swan]

im saying guns in general...

[blissful perch]

there needs to be content ofc, but I'm skeptical it needs to be hitscan guns

projectile weapons ftw. Better in almost every way in a survival game

[mint swan]

with a decent anti cheat it would be fine im sure

[blissful perch]

hitscan is just lame lol

[mint swan]

skill issue tbh

[blissful perch]

it works in COD and arena shooters, but across long distances it gets very silly looking

indeed it is a skill issue: hitscan at those ranges caters to bad players 🙂

[mint swan]

wtf no go on mts arena and tell me those ppl are bad lmao

[blissful perch]

visible confusion

people can be great ark pvp players regardless of hitscan weaponry

I'm just saying hitscan weaponry is easier to use than projectile based. That's just...a fact

[mint swan]

i mean yea you have to have hit scan weapons when you have other ppl in capped flak no one is gonna use a crossbow in a fight against someone in capped flak lmao

[blissful perch]

ok now imagine if the shotgun and fabi were projectile and not hitscan

[mint swan]

that would be dogshit

with a capped fab it takes 12+ shots to break one piece of capped flak

[blissful perch]

how does this in any way argue against projectile being more skill based and thus superior to hitscan?

[mint swan]

i never said anything about skill based lmao

[blissful perch]

you're aware of the fact that a weapon can be projectile or hitscan right?

the difference is entirely based on if the bullet drops or not with distance. Has nothing to do with damage, reload speed, etc

[mint swan]

yea ik... but knowing wildcard they would absolutely fuck it up

cant think of anything they got right the first time they implemented it

[stray elm]

Almost like this is their first ever game, and they did a little thing called "experimentation"

[mint swan]

almost like they could have tested things out before throwing broken ass metas in the game

[blissful perch]

they also HAVE projectile weapons in ark 1 that work reasonably well

[stray elm]

Personal issue.

[mint swan]

what projectile weapons are viable against capped flak?

[mint swan]

cry

[blissful perch]

agreed. If the game is supposed to be a sandbox survival game, it should never have hosted official pvp where content should be checked for meta stability and balance in order to respect those players

[stray elm]

I know man.
It's alright if you need to.

[blissful perch]

you confuse "works well" as "is meta". I mean works well from a code perspective

ark 1 pvp doesn't have to my recollection any non hitscan weapons in the later tech tiers, so I suspect it wouldn't really have any "viable" projectiles

doesn't mean the end game weapons of ark 2 can't be projectile based tho

[mint swan]

tek bow

[blissful perch]

ah tru

[stray elm]

As one should, before crossing a road.
A tip you should use.

[split dove]

[stray elm]

Kix has a case of the 'skill issue.'

[mint swan]

lmao sounds like a pve bob is tryna speak to me

[stray elm]

[fallow niche]

[stray elm]

[brittle root]

[tropic crag]

"I just want Ark 1 but prettier and with 0 bugs and no hackers, oh and official PvP"-Literally everyone who's come in here the past few days, knowing full well that bugs and hackers are something that all games deal with and there's no way around that fact

🤡

[drifting oracle]

It is, using good anti cheat. Better engine that game is on, better anti cheat.

[tropic crag]

Don't know what part that pertains to or which part you were replying to, but yeah, the cleaner code will mean there'll be less room for bugs and cheaters. Does that mean there'll be none, though? Fuck no. That'd be excessively daft to believe, and I hope no one is that daft going into the new game (even though I know there will be some who are, sadly.)

[drifting oracle]

Yupp, nby realize there will be cheaters, i hope less then on ark 1 but yeah.

[lavish rain]

Clicker game

[split dove]

''god my autoclicker is so interactive for combat''

[blissful perch]

The hard part about ark combat in PvE is picking your fights, and in PvP it’s picking your fights with some twitch aim

[untold ingot]

That's why gigas are the worst in pve. You don't even have to pick your fights because you are basically guaranteed to win every single one with little to no effort

[blissful perch]

and probably why they're so loved :p

[rugged shuttle]

when is it supposed to get released

[prisma pike]

Tell me you only play PvE without telling me you only play PvE

[tropic crag]

2023 is all we got

[rugged shuttle]

oh so its posponed to 2023

[tropic crag]

Yep, probably the first half if I'd have to guess

[rugged shuttle]

hope its good cuz servers rn is laggy i just got raided by a hacker yesterdy which was flying lol they can delay it more if they want bruh

[tropic crag]

Not the channel for this, try #ark-survival-ascended or #general

[tropic crag]

It's releasing in early access, so it'll have plenty more development time I'm sure, not to mention the code just being better this time around as there's not only 7 people making this one 😅

[rugged shuttle]

ayo u telling me ark was made by 7 ppl?

[near gate]

7 years they couldn't even fix the first one

[tropic crag]

Because the codebase was bad, as I just said

[tropic crag]

In the beginning, yeah

[near gate]

There code

[rugged shuttle]

they probably gonna learn from their mistakes an the mistakes are very identifable rn haha

[tropic crag]

For sure

[clever wedge]

when is early access?

[tropic crag]

2023

[stray elm]

2023

[tropic crag]

What? Why does he get the thumbs up? I said it first 🥲

[blissful perch]

I do wonder if ark 2 will have a community focused development similar to the creature votes near the end of ark 1

[south lance]

creature votes went well no?

[tropic crag]

I imagine it will

[south lance]

i mean people got pissed but carchar is dropping anyhow

[blissful perch]

ranked choice voting is kinda S tier democracy

[south lance]

and that first thing was only cause of the way vore worked

[south lance]

yeah ranked vote went well

[tropic crag]

The way what worked

[prisma pike]

What

[south lance]

im not changing jt

😎

[tropic crag]

What a chad

[clever wedge]

voxel ground in ark 2? meshing a feature now? 🤣

[south lance]

who said thered be voxel ground in ark2?

genuinely curious^

[blissful perch]

people who suggest voxel or any form of terrain manipulation in ark 2:

people who know it's a bad idea:

[south lance]

at least in ark

[clever wedge]

no one, just was watching the new unreal engine stuff

[south lance]

oh ok

[stray elm]

Probably cause I tagged him.

[tropic crag]

Went the extra mile, eh? I commend you 🤣

[stray elm]

I could've also tagged him, and replied.

[tropic crag]

I just don't tag if they're right above me, makes me feel annoying if I do, ya know?

Unless it's like days later

[stray elm]

Sure, sure.
But I've learned to not give a fuck a long time ago

[tropic crag]

Fair enough

[glossy knot]

@cunning talon people getting banned after or during the rollback?

[tropic crag]

Not the place for this, bud

[blissful perch]

question: how are people being banned in ark 2?

do you have an early copy 👀

[glossy knot]

Still asking mf cant read shit in general

[blissful perch]

it won't help to spam pings in another channel I can assure you

[tropic crag]

Sounds like a you issue

[glossy knot]

I aint spam pings head ass

[wispy sierra]

damn, rollback so hard it affects a nonexistent game

[prisma pike]

How?

[blissful perch]

it exists, just not for us 😦

[tropic crag]

Yet

[wispy sierra]

ghost ping moment

[tropic crag]

This channel about to be flooded with nonsense, I can smell it

[prisma pike]

Might as well talk about the next game since the first has gone to shit

[tropic crag]

Prepare the bans, moderators. It's going to be a stormy night.

[wispy sierra]

yeah. i mean ark is a 7 year old buggy mess, let the poor thing die

[scarlet dragon]

Gonna buy Minecraft xbox 360 edition instead of ark 2

[wispy sierra]

should ark 2 include tacos? discuss.

[prisma pike]

But what is "a taco"?

[wispy sierra]

interesting.

i'll do you one better: is a taco a sandwich?

[prisma pike]

Hmmmmm

No

Sandwiches use bread

[wispy sierra]

hm. i suppose you're correct

then, is a hot dog a sandwich?

[prisma pike]

Maybe

[tropic crag]

But bread is a starch, and tortilla is also a starch... checkmate

[prisma pike]

Ok well we're both made of the same materials but are we the same?

[tropic crag]

Close enough to be both considered humans, I'd hope

[wispy sierra]

lmao humans aren't real

[prisma pike]

Yeah wtf is this guy on

[tropic crag]

Ah yes, I forgot

Silly me

[wispy sierra]

element

element dust to be precise

[prisma pike]

Don't remind me that I ran a gacha tower all day for dust yesterday 😢

[wispy sierra]

like, imagine not being on Rare Mushrooms. lol.

[tropic crag]

Took too much, my stomach cramps became stomach titans

[prisma pike]

Ab shrooms better tbh

[wispy sierra]

at least you didn't grow tentacles tho

fertile mushroom patches hit different

[lime forge]

I’m thinking we will see things like this. The environment looks to be heavily floral in the trailers.

[mint swan]

i really hope theyll make AI very smart with many functionalities... and theyll make the whole ecosystem make more sense , like.. all dinos have some sort of den or nest where they come from , instead of a raptor or carno or rex randomly appearing between some brontos/trikes/any herbivores... they would come from their den to hunt...
i also hope they add someways the dinos change stuff around them , like... herbivores actually eat the bushes around them (like the bushes you can collect with all herbivores in ark 1) , or beavers destroy the trees to make new dams and so on , depends on the dino ig...

some small dinos like raptors would run away if you come after them with 2 rexes or more , but they only attack back if you are attacking their nests/den
but theyll always attack you if you are by yourself or with some smaller dinos

[crude dagger]

Sounds like everyone is going to be disappointed here because of the expectations lmao

[mint swan]

ark 2 ;0

[mint swan]

lol u serious bro? I mean it's wildcard behind.

[outer scaffold]

Why buy ark 2 when you can’t get the first one right ?

[blissful perch]

Did you buy all the ark 1 dlc knowing the island had bugs and problems?

[split dove]

most likely plays on official as well

[blissful perch]

I’m just curious if someone is expecting that their wallet won’t call their bluff

[split dove]

that wallet will bleed again next year

[blissful perch]

Again, I don’t mind people saying ark or ark 2 is bad. Valid opinion. But if your play and spending habits reflect the opposite it does dampen your credibility

[lime forge]

Yeah. Obviously Ark 2 is gonna suck since Wildcard doesn’t just push the button that makes all the bugs go away

[outer scaffold]

Didn’t buy any map gottem game shared you clowns

[mortal kestrel]

me over here looking for the people who care about your opinion then-

cant really talk if dont even own the game

[deft saddle]

The first game was built upon horrible coding resulting in the state it is in now. If anything wildcard has a better chance to make a better game because now they know what they are doing

[mortal kestrel]

^

[blissful perch]

Ah. Did you play on those maps you got for free a lot then?

[blissful perch]

I keep reading this and am now getting irritated by this. There are real issues caused by nobody other than choices made for content over polish. Blame who you want for why that choice was made, but the code being the way it was is not sufficient excuse for seven years of choices

[split dove]

some people choose to simple ignore these crucial facts, wich answers why things like meshing are hard to get rid off and why ark is badly optimized

[blissful perch]

The thing people don’t want to hear is that the code base will likely forever be a sticking point because it’s likely always more profitable and interesting to work on content than polish. But it’s not like the code base is some permanent fixture that can’t be fixed. It just won’t be because it likely makes no sense to fix it all at the cost of content

[tropic crag]

The content being begged for by the playerbase, no? It's really the player's fault, then, if we wanna go that route. They wouldn't have made more content to put out if the players didn't want the content more, right?

[blissful perch]

That’s correct

The players apply the pressure, but it is ultimately WC’s choice. Your call if anyone is blameless

I think ark was an ambitious and incredible project, and I think ark 2 will be no less. But that doesn’t mean WC is infallable

[tropic crag]

Oh for sure, no one is

[blissful perch]

It irritates me to see people lording around the reality of their code base as some sort of protective shield against fault

WC could have been more clear with their process and more clear with their intent to fix critical bugs. They could have also done better balance QC (see: multiple times where a ranged creature out ranged turrets). I’m impressed with them overall, but mistakes have been and likely will be made in the future. I want chatters to do a better job of being honest (though I know that’s as loony an expectation as ark 2 being the perfect dream game on release)

I’ve read the old CC articles…and this was a thing. Seven years has seen a lot of choices be made. I can’t put the blame for those being shorter and less transparent on exclusively WC either given it seems a large part the community only reads for the evo events

[lime forge]

Ark 2 is gonna be the perfect dream game on release and I’ll fight anyone who disagrees

[untold totem]

but it doesnt mean they should be fix it by people's demand and forget the consequences for current DLCs and mods

lucky Last Oasis did a rework before deciding on "more expansions"

but yes not letting the people know what kind of "bug fix" that WC posted in announcement kinda gives people in the dark

[deft saddle]

gigachad

[blissful perch]

people "demand" all sorts of things. WC's job is to see the demand and make choices. It's not easy, but it shouldn't be hard for people to understand lol

Last Oasis provides great insight to the survival pvp genre and why it probably...doesn't work super well outside the Rust context long term

[untold totem]

hence the PVE rework

[tropic crag]

I do think a big part of the whole loss of communication thing was because of the EVO events, once those became a thing the comments sections on anything posted by Wildcard just devolved to "EVO event when?" "GIMME THE EVO" and "Wow, no EVO this week? Y'all sux, get gooder at listening to ur communuty guyz"

Wish they never would've done those, and just raised the rates to a reasonable point for the average joe who has a job but likes official or just left them at the old rates to drive everyone over to unofficial

There's no balance to be had there, either you make it easier for the nolifers to get ahead faster, or you have the rates be abysmally slow

[lavish rain]

Ye I don't really do much outside an event because of this

When they increased the rates a second time I just went back to not playing much even though everything was so much faster

4x breeding should of been what it was at the start

It still takes weeks to raise things like gigas

Shouldn't take longer than 2 days imo

[tropic crag]

Yeah, but then it only takes 2 days for the nolifers who are on 24/7 as well. It's a double edged sword, really. Either everyone wins so much that it becomes boring to play because there's 30 gigas at your door every time you build so much as a standing torch, or everyone loses/misses out so much that they just stop playing or move to unofficial

[blissful perch]

you should never balance with real time like that

no lifers will no life. Let them. If you don't give them the tools to abuse that dedication beyond mechanical skill or knowledge then who cares what they do

Sadly, mutation stacking and insanely long breeding times DO give no lifers those tools

[tropic crag]

That's my point, the nolifers win if you increase the rates, but that's the only way to mitigate the average joe who'd like to play actually being able to play without losing his job

[lime forge]

The no lifers when either way

[tropic crag]

If you lower the rates, the nolifers will probably quit (as would anyone else who's right in the head, I'd hope)

[lime forge]

That’s a strange way to look at it

[tropic crag]

How so? Make the game take even longer than it already does=loss of players, does it not?

Sounds pretty logical and grounded in reality to me

[lavish rain]

It'd piss off so many people doe

[tropic crag]

Uh, yeah, no durr

[lime forge]

I suppose I’m confused about the conversation. I thought you were talking about increasing or decreasing rates to balance the gameplay between people who have other commitments and people who can no life

[tropic crag]

My point was that, whether you raise or lower them, it'll be for the worst either way

There's no way to balance the rates when the breeding and other no-life accessible functions and features exist the way they do

And EVO events just make the game worse because now everyone and their brother just begs for EVOs left and fuckin right

[blissful perch]

I just told you how you fix it

You don’t offer a reward for wasting all your time on the game

[lime forge]

Yeah. Nothing can be done to balance it. People with more time to dedicate will always have an advantage until you bring in mechanics that will limit game play like energy in mobile games.

[blissful perch]

You can also have what most games have…which is that the game itself caps you at a normal level lol

[tropic forge]

why just beating the bush go stray and say that ark should have pay mechanics

[tropic crag]

There's better ways to do that, like have the breeding intervals be longer, but sure, "energy" works for the analogy...

[blissful perch]

Games with PvP and thousands of hours of near endless progression is crap because it rewards no life players

[lime forge]

I don’t think Ark should have these mechanics. But that is the only way to balance issues with time dedicated to gameplay.

[blissful perch]

It’s not

Objectively not

Take StarCraft. Better players do not start a new match with an intrinsic game advantage when they no life. They deploy that time spent on the game in the form of mechanical skill and game knowledge

[lavish rain]

That might be a good idea, but microtransactions

[blissful perch]

In ark though, no life play gives you a concrete advantage in the game itself over other players. That’s what needs to be taken away in ark 2

[lime forge]

It really is. There’s nothing you can do that will benefit someone with 2 hours a day that will not benefit someone with 12 hours a day just as much if not more so.

[lime forge]

StarCraft and Ark are not even close to same type of game. Comparing the two makes no sense.

You’re comparing a match based PvP game to an open world survival game. Their balance is not the same thing.

[blissful perch]

Fine. How about minecraft?

[lime forge]

Just to be clear I do not want these features in Ark 1 or 2 lol

[blissful perch]

Minecraft limits the maximum a player can get to a level a casual can access, and requires total hours put in, not total hours per day put in like ark does

[tropic forge]

all this talk and none gets it, ark aint meant for pvp not at least the way it is on ark 1, pvp as to be fast pace whit little harm on the player when he looses and ark cant offer that thats a fact

[blissful perch]

Ark official PvP is a failed experiment in many ways, can’t deny that. I’ve never seen a game try to ark’s extent and succeed

[lavish rain]

Explain

You could day 1 level cap

[lime forge]

I don’t want something that limits me at all. I believe people should be rewarded for playing the game. I don’t think anyone should expect to compete with people who are putting in 8x more hours than them.

[blissful perch]

You can’t access gear for example that lets you teleport or use creative flight if you spent 6hrs a day farming special cows

[tropic crag]

The point he's making is that PvP in Ark should be round/match based, or at least wipe based, as it would even the playing field

[lavish rain]

The devs did discuss an arena style game mode

With the den

[blissful perch]

Then you’ve created a contradiction

[lime forge]

How so?

[lavish rain]

Maybey, and I say maybey my idea is that after a match in the den (that both players can accept) both players and only those players can pvp, for, let's say 6 hours

[blissful perch]

You will NEVER have a playing field that doesn’t profit no life play if you enable infinite progression

[lime forge]

That’s exactly what I said where’s the contradiction?

[blissful perch]

You can have a game with plenty of longevity without infinite progression and a more fair playing field

[zenith pier]

ARK 2 is out, will ARK 1 still update?

[lavish rain]

Not for very long

[blissful perch]

Unknown. Events for ark 1 end this year though so keep that in mind

[lime forge]

By limiting daily progress with mechanics like energy in mobile games. Yes. But I don’t want those mechanics.

[tropic forge]

you cant put that on a paying game

[lime forge]

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

[lavish rain]

Animal crossing be like

[tropic crag]

Good ol Fox, never change

[tropic forge]

?

i got confuse now, i said you cant put mechanics that limit your gaming on a game that you pay for it whit mechanics that were invented for "free" games

[tropic crag]

Sure you can

[blissful perch]

People already have done exactly that

[tropic forge]

which game?

[blissful perch]

You were being gently mocked for not knowing

Many paid gacha games, and many paid mobile apps

[tropic forge]

but those are "free" not like games you buy ex. ark

[tropic crag]

I wish I had Fox's naivety

[blissful perch]

It’s a super power

[tropic crag]

For real

[lavish rain]

Some Nintendo games are also like that

[tropic forge]

y'all confusing p2w and buying games

[lavish rain]

No

[tropic crag]

We really aren't

[lavish rain]

There are mobile games that cost money to download, not p2w

[tropic crag]

And have the energy system

[lavish rain]

Same as a paid game like ark

Just for mobioe

[lime forge]

Personally I have put some thought into this. One idea I came up with is separate PvP clusters that people only qualify for if they play under a certain amount of time per day.

[tropic forge]

there aint a single game that i know that you pay it and have mechanics that stop you from playing as much you want

[odd shuttle]

Good luck. People will just leave accounts on

[blissful perch]

Forced logout after X hours online is an option, but it won’t stop 24/7 tribes nor will it stop alts

[tropic crag]

So, beginner servers? We have those, and they're exploitable as hell

[blissful perch]

One option ofc is servers that SHUT DOWN after 6 hours online

[lavish rain]

Yes there are

[lime forge]

Call of Duty you can buy the resource that is spent in game and spend it on bubble gums and medallions that offer in game powers

[odd shuttle]

Sounds like a high chance for corrupted files and roll backs

[tropic crag]

He doesn't know about them, though 😅

[tropic forge]

name a game that you bought and had mechanics of a "free" mobile game

[blissful perch]

Routine server shutdowns actually make them run better lol

[lavish rain]

Animal crossing like I said

[odd shuttle]

Yeah and they also have a chance of reboot for corrupted files

[blissful perch]

But people are gonna be hella angry when they get screwed by the shutdown

[tropic crag]

I forgot, yeah BO3 did that lol

[odd shuttle]

Then you gotta roll back to before that

[lime forge]

No. A cluster that is not accessible to people who average for example more than 3 hours per day. Any more than that and your survivor is migrated to a different cluster.

[blissful perch]

Corrupted files usually happen as a result of being open too long in the first place

[lime forge]

Call of Duty

[odd shuttle]

Never happened to me like that. Owned a cluster for 2 years. Unless a force stop happened it was generally on the restart

[lavish rain]

@tropic crag @blissful perch tell him

[blissful perch]

This would be a force stop and hard restart rather than a soft one, since it’s 18hrs off 6hrs on

[tropic crag]

As I said, it's exploitable. Ever heard of a smurf account? Nolifers have several, sometimes more than 10

[tropic forge]

and what part it as something that stops you from playing?

[blissful perch]

The most common example of games I don’t play but have this feature are paid candy crush clones

You pay .99$ to buy the app, then it has a limit on levels you can play with an energy system

[tropic crag]

You can't use the gobblegums if you don't pay for the resource to buy them

Simple, now let's move on

[tropic forge]

and makes you unable to play the game?

[tropic crag]

A portion/feature of it, yes

[lime forge]

All that gets them is a new survivor that they have to start all over on, until they inevitably get migrated to different cluster as well.

[tropic crag]

Again, let's move on, look them up yourself if you're interested

[lavish rain]

And gobblers basically define bo3

[blissful perch]

Store items in box -> Smurf picks them up -> repeat

It won’t work Paddy

You need to hard shut the servers off

[tropic crag]

Pincode a box with some cryos in it, boom new character has bred gigas. Now what?

[blissful perch]

You can 24/7 server coverage but only offer each specific server for 6hrs a day for example

Not optimal solution, but it’s a solution

[lime forge]

Alright. Another thought I had is the UN. The United Nations. I’m talking governed warfare.

[tropic crag]

W h a t

[blissful perch]

Bro y’all are making this way harder than it needs to be

[lavish rain]

🍿

[tropic crag]

The hell

Are you on about

[lavish rain]

My man wants to add politics to ark 2

[lime forge]

Alright

Here me out

[blissful perch]

Just cap player power level so a guy who spends 2,000 and a guy who spends 20,000 are separated by their skill moreso than their ingame loot and tames and stuff

Infinite progression is for singleplayer and PvE games. Not PvP. It’s really that simple

[tropic crag]

Skill point will likely do that already, I think

[blissful perch]

Not if they keep mutation stacking

[tropic crag]

True

But I'm headcanoning that they get rid of that shit anyways 😅

[lavish rain]

0%chance they will

[blissful perch]

I’ve not seen proof

[south lance]

@cunning talon please no mutation stack

[blissful perch]

insert my normal chastise for Dollie pings here

[tropic crag]

Awww, and here I was hoping for the full tongue lashing...

[blissful perch]

I’m eatin lunch

[south lance]

i wouldnt be present anyways

[tropic crag]

Understandable

[south lance]

gotta study for a bigass test

[split dove]

''Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?''

[tropic crag]

I should eat something...

[blissful perch]

Paddy has gone off the deep end. Happens sometimes

[split dove]

i'd say often

[lavish rain]

There's a better option

[blissful perch]

Nah. Get the tests out of the way so you can go buck wild for ark 2 🧠

[lavish rain]

Learn to code, hack the laptops, steal teh files that contain teh answers, then just memorize them, do that once a year

[south lance]

nah if i dont do this test well i gotta load up 21 of the hardest freshman courses next sem

my brain getting railed ^

[lavish rain]

Who know you might be the kid that leaks ark 2 like that one kid did with gta 6

[blissful perch]

I’m just not sure why it’s hard to understand I’m trying to solve game design challenges in a space that professionals struggle with 😂

[south lance]

ill just do everything

im gonna make ark2 part of my ug research

"why mutts are bad"

[lavish rain]

University?

[south lance]

yeah

[lavish rain]

You could make a thesis on that

[south lance]

thats the plan so far

[lavish rain]

Just do a full analysis of the game

[south lance]

use the game as an analogue to studying post death tribal relations in the 52948th millennium

[lavish rain]

Bruh there's thesis on 1 episode of SpongeBob you could easily do a thesis on ark

[south lance]

yeah but ark2 is too high iq for normie phds to understand

[lime forge]

A separate PvP cluster with PvE and PvP servers. In PvP servers rates are higher, refining methods are faster and more efficient, and it’s open warfare at all times. In the PvE servers of the PvP cluster rates are significantly lower. Like Ark originally was. All refining methods are far slower and less efficient. But on these servers bases are protected and actual PvP can only take place in the field while harvesting or mining and what not. Now you cannot transfer from the PvE side into the PvP side, but you can transfer from PvP into PvE. (You can transfer survivor either way but not tames and items from PvE into PvP) Base raids on PvE can only take place through a tribe war system. But! And here’s the kicker! But once a week, maybe a month for only a couple days transfers open fully. Everything can be transferred in either direction. After this event all survivors are automatically put into upload and the PvP servers and all structures and tames left over there get wiped.

Read it all!!

[tropic crag]

We've suggested this before. Hell, I think I was the one to do so.

[south lance]

id be fine with this system

[tropic crag]

It's a bad idea though, admittedly. I think Shifter had the downsides...

Can't remember though

[lime forge]

It’s a fantastic idea!

[south lance]

a large tribe will still dominate

its just that you dont have to 25/7 as hard

[broken dune]

I hope everything in the game can be modded

[tropic crag]

Ah, I remember part of the downsides, it's that no one will build on the PvP servers

[tropic crag]

More than likely

[blissful perch]

I suggested that and was spat on by PvP players for correctly forgetting that they’d all just camp PvE and never risk anything in PvP and would thus never use their “best” effort

I gotchu @tropic crag lol

[south lance]

its funny how psychology works like this tbh

[lime forge]

That’s the reason for higher rates and refining yields. Incentive. You can take a month to raise that giga, or you can 3 days. Could also implement higher max levels on the PvP side.

[south lance]

like, you play the game, the game becomes more than a game, you then try to avoid playing the game as the game wants you to play it until the moment you get a way out within the game you take it

even though you always had the way out

[tropic crag]

Higher max levels would be too much, at some point it's just ridiculous

[lime forge]

You can farm for 3 hours to get 1000 metal, or you can farm for 3 hours to get 10000

[tropic crag]

That's absurd, I'm sorry it just is

[untold totem]

Or why bother risk your base and just camp on the same place

[tropic crag]

That's the thing, they've already said they wouldn't risk shit (Birdwoman and like 3 or so others, iirc)

[untold totem]

It's too complicated I rather have PVE war mode be freaking functional

[lime forge]

So they’re PvE players then?

[tropic crag]

If PvE tribe war was better, I'd use it more

[tropic crag]

With a shared PvP and PvE cluster? Yes. But don't let them hear you say that, lol

[untold totem]

People abuse the war mode tricking people into getting raided without realizing

I would suggest be war mode be disabled when one side has 0 players online

[tropic crag]

Or at least not drag your alliances in when you tribe war, what a dumb feature

[lime forge]

I played a cluster on space engineers that implemented this exact method and it was very popular. Pretty much all the PvP players lived in the PvP side.

[untold totem]

Or have a tick box for alliance war option

[tropic crag]

But we're not talking about Space Engineers, are we?

[lime forge]

It’s the exact same kind of game though isn’t it?

[tropic crag]

I'd be open to that

[tropic crag]

Not at all

[lime forge]

Open world PvP survival craft? Sci fi?

Yes it is

[untold totem]

It's more like ship combat in ATLAS than seigeing in ARK

[lime forge]

People will reject it until they try it.

[tropic crag]

Oh, so you tame dinos in Space Engineers now? I didn't read that in the patch notes...

[lime forge]

My bad I forgot Ark is a dinosaur game

[untold totem]

ARK's gameplay is more of a seige and raid rather than a ship to ship combat

[lime forge]

There are sieges in space engineers. But that’s not the point. The point is it’s the same style PvP. Find the base, raid the base, take the loot. Exactly like Ark.

[untold totem]

For one thing I want is having mobile fortress be viable

ATLAS has an interesting damage system on the (legacy) ships where you have to destroy planks before the ship starts sinking

ARK should have a mobile fortress where you need to destroy the plates before you can actually damage the dino

[blissful perch]

Except I don’t think the loot is nearly as costly to gather as in ark

Pretty sure space engineers is mostly mats right? I don’t remember there being anything akin to mutations/lines or BPs

[tropic crag]

Yeah, it's easy as hell to get mats on SE

[blissful perch]

Which isn’t a bad thing

[tropic crag]

Oh no, it makes the game more accessible and fun

[blissful perch]

Space engineers also has the plus side of having tons of space. I don’t believe there is any equivalent feature to raiding someone’s ice cave and then taking it (and making someone lose that strong base location)

[lime forge]

This cluster utilizes this stuff called tech believe it or not. It’s used to build higher tiers of thrusters, weapons, and refining methods. That and uranium are the real payloads

[tropic crag]

You can also hide shit where there's no chance in hell anyone will ever find it because the game world is so big, lol

[lime forge]

I guarantee anyone who likes PvP would end up liking servers like this. It’s easy to refute something from the outside looking in. Actually trying it is a different story

[tropic crag]

Same here, I'm just relaying what they said to you. If they never try it out of spite would need to be seen, that's true

[lime forge]

I’m gonna find out how to make changes like this and implement them in my cluster to see how it works

[tropic crag]

I actually have done it, it works pretty well, but only when rules about how it is supposed to work are followed

[lime forge]

I have control of all transfers

[tropic crag]

I didn't boost the rates as much as you have suggested, though 😅

For the PvP side

[lime forge]

I can set up maps that can be transferred to with everything and maps that have to be naked transferred. That’s the only actual rule and it cannot be broken.

[tropic crag]

Same here, you can actually have it be so that they can download things to the server, but not upload as well

But I meant moreso just the spoken rules being followed, some people have issues there sometimes...

[lime forge]

Do you know a way to increase refining speed or yield?

[untold totem]

You mean like the grid map system?

Those are massive