ark-2

[lavish sparrow]

Active players = more enjoyable gameplay loop

[tropic crag]

Ark 1 is also not a story driven game, lol

[lavish sparrow]

Why should it be

if it wants to redefine the "survival" genre

[lavish sparrow]

meant to reply to this

[tropic crag]

It's a sandbox, where anything is possible, not a linear story like Elden Ring/Souls games, the comparison you brought up

[lavish sparrow]

Then why are features from linear games being brought into it

[tropic crag]

That's why the player counts are higher

[fiery wedge]

There can be a story in a soundbox setting

[stray elm]

Hmm yes.
I love soundboxes

[fiery wedge]

Shhhh

I love autocorrect

[stray elm]

Also, ARK is a example of a game with a story in a Sandbox.

[lavish sparrow]

Look as I said so many people are both for and against ark 2 third person only

the people for it dont hate first person

the people against it hate third person

[tropic crag]

There is a story, yes. But it's not story driven. You can do fuck all relating to the story of Ark, and still become the alpha tribe on a server, or whatever you feel completes the gameplay loop, that's my point

[fiery wedge]

I just want first person and combat that isn't shit

[lavish sparrow]

same

I think thats what most pvp players want

and I want pve to be first person too

[tropic crag]

Comparing Steam numbers between them is just invalid and shouldn't be done, they're nothing alike

[lavish sparrow]

for immersion, I personally think first person is far more immersive

[lavish sparrow]

but it compares the gameplay loop

more players = more addicting/fun gameplay loop

[fiery wedge]

That's just objective

[tropic crag]

How so? You can play Dark Souls and meet 0 players and have tons of fun

[lavish sparrow]

I would say its objective but people seem to take offense to that and I dont have the energy for a objective vs opinion debate

[lavish sparrow]

thats not the point

my point is the gameplay loop

[tropic crag]

Your point is invalid, no offense

[fiery wedge]

He meant active player base 😂

[lavish sparrow]

bad gameplay loops are either boring overall or get boring fast

good gameplay loops encourage players to play the game more because they enjoy playing it over and over

it DOESNT get boring

[tropic crag]

Yeah, Dark Souls I can always go back to and have fun...

[lavish sparrow]

but is it the primary game you play?

Ark is the primary game I play

I enjoy its gameplay loop despite how poorly its made

[tropic crag]

Ark sure isn't, lol. I play way more games than just Ark, to be sure

[lavish sparrow]

theres a reason ark 1 has 70k players on steam on average

[tropic crag]

I enjoy it just as much as anything else, though

[lavish sparrow]

and why I'm one of them

Look at the end of the day gameplay is subjective

but our brains will eventually get tired of the same gameplay

its like doom eternal for me. its just you shooting demons in a similar sized arena dozens of times

[fiery wedge]

Yeah dooms only really worth a single playthrough

[lavish sparrow]

yea

same with games like god of war

[fiery wedge]

I've done 4 playthroughs on mhw though lol

[lavish sparrow]

repetition leads to boredom

[tropic crag]

That reason isn't breeding for years on end, or raiding the same dude 30 times over for most players, I assure you. Mods is why

[lavish sparrow]

I only use QoL mods

I enjoy vanilla content

[tropic crag]

Mods carry the shit out of Ark

[fiery wedge]

What about people on official or consoles?

[tropic crag]

No denying that

[lavish sparrow]

they give ark what the devs wont

[empty grail]

I don't even have mods but keeps me on

[tropic crag]

I don't know, they have imaginations and/or are insane, I guess?

[lavish sparrow]

I enjoy vanilla minecraft for example, people often enjoy vanilla

[fiery wedge]

Maybe you just don't know how to enjoy the game

[lavish sparrow]

I only use QoL mods except for terraria

[tropic crag]

I run an entire cluster on Xbox, did you forget?

[fiery wedge]

Bet you pod main and say vanilla is boring 😂

What cluster?

[lavish sparrow]

can you both relax

this isn't a competition for who has the most valid opinion

[stray elm]

No.
Let them fight. 🍿

[tropic crag]

Relax isn't a word Birdwoman can comprehend, to be fair

[lavish sparrow]

if yall wanna fight take it to DM's

[fiery wedge]

I'm literally lying in my bed listening to music rn loool

[lavish sparrow]

ok what does this have to do with ark 2

[stray elm]

Or relaxing

[empty grail]

The economy

[tropic crag]

Muh inflation, muh minimum wage

[fiery wedge]

What does him owning a server or me relaxing have to do with it lol

[lavish sparrow]

It was related to him knowing what people enjoy

in vanilla vs modded

[fiery wedge]

You writing a book Pikmin?

[tropic crag]

I hold events for my cluster, that's why we still play every now and then. But that's just my cluster, can't say why other people play the game still, especially PvP where it's just them doing the same thing over and over and expecting things to change (which drives people insane, it's scientifically proven, even!)

[lavish sparrow]

I play pvp

[tropic crag]

Unmodded?

[lavish sparrow]

I dont do the same thing over and over expecting things to change

[empty grail]

We do a lot of stuff PvE do in pvp

[lavish sparrow]

for a while recently yes, on smalls

PvP is still mostly PvE

[empty grail]

Breed build designs etc

Fr

I play official 1x

[lavish sparrow]

PvP is just about efficiency and time

[tropic crag]

Well that's not the same as just standard PvP official, lol

[lavish sparrow]

It is official

the only thing different are the rates

[fiery wedge]

Smalls is just official but 3x

[tropic crag]

With different rules, which makes it non-standard PvP

[lavish sparrow]

6man tribes

[fiery wedge]

The only different rule is tribe size bruh

[empty grail]

Just 6 man no ally

[lavish sparrow]

I find smalls fun because it reminds me a bit of 2b2t, hard to start on and very toxic with lots of cheaters

Deadly

You need to put a lot of thought into your base location

how to raid mesh bases

stuff like that

[fiery wedge]

Bro the amount of times I've seen my friends start up on smalls and just find a sleeping dude with tames is unreal lol

[tropic crag]

You also can't ally and such, there's more to it than just tribe size, I know that much

[lavish sparrow]

The only difference is tribes

[empty grail]

Literally

[lavish sparrow]

tribes and rates

thats why unoffi servers describe themself as a smalltribes cluster

6man 3x

[tropic crag]

Trying to find where the hell they last talked about smalls in a CC

[empty grail]

Okay

[lavish sparrow]

Look, people enjoy vanilla

People such as myself

I dont like modded, I dont play modded

the only mods I use are quality of life mods as I mentioned

to give ark what the devs should have given it on launch

[lost dome]

ark 2 better have good dev support

[lavish sparrow]

Hopefully

[deft compass]

where do u find that?

[stray elm]

In the workshop

[sharp garnet]

S+ is amazing

[lavish sparrow]

ye

[cosmic carbon]

is there gonna be pvp???

[rotund grail]

Give us some leaks already

[split dove]

Pvp is comfirmed, on the steampage it's tagged as pvp

[cosmic carbon]

cap

[mild hornet]

im more psyched for the single player

hopefully its more immersive

[mint swan]

Me too, I hope the dino AI is at least a bit better though haha

[mild hornet]

Dino AI? What AI?

[mint swan]

Oh sorry not AI, I just hope that they don't get stuck all the time when following you

Pathfinding I think

[mild hornet]

Yeah, they dont have any AI checks

But its because of the nature of the game

if they added AI checks, the game wouldnt run

[mint swan]

Ohh my bad

[mild hornet]

I was making a joke with the "What AI" part, but hopefully they can improve the AI in ARK 2

[mint swan]

Oh

[untold ingot]

Well seeing as sensory ai and dynamic pathfinding are announced, I think it's pretty fair to say that the Dino ai will be better

[iron sequoia]

But I like it when my dinos get stuck on a pebble

[winged topaz]

No more killing alpha raptor by standing on a rock

Damn

[marble basin]

Its so fun tho when you have a tamed dino on follow and youve ran across the map only to realise he got stuck on a rock at the start

[grave python]

dino iq in ark 1 is below 0. i lost my giga to an argy because an argy kept biting the giga's legs and the giga was just spinning around and died

i hope in ark 2 this will be improved and no more gigas dying to argys

[ripe marsh]

that is madly unlucky but I do have similar case.

Lost my high level ptera to a kapro, it kept attacking it while my ptera was flying in circles

[mint swan]

Subnautica reference?

[lavish sparrow]

Will ark 2 have RTX

[mint swan]

Check pins

[lavish sparrow]

?????

[blissful perch]

ever lose a flier to infinite upward circling? Lovely stuff

[lavish sparrow]

if you know its literally a yes or no question

[mint swan]

Well i dont know, so i thought you could search

[lavish sparrow]

search where I've already searched?

[mint swan]

Well then it aint confirmed yet

[lavish sparrow]

Wait ark 2 will have custom character creation right?

[split dove]

it most likely will have it

[lavish sparrow]

thank god

I heard somewhere that they were going the God of War route or something

and I was about to hang myself

[split dove]

[lavish sparrow]

Dude I'm just not confident wildcard knows what their playerbase wants

third person only hasn't had any super positive reactions, I've only seen people such as myself expressing how third person ark just... wouldn't work

It wouldn't be ark

Like just because people didn't like the combat/gameplay of ark 1 doesn't mean there aren't good aspects to it

almost every AAA game is third person too

[split dove]

ark 1 third person camera wouldn't work, we need to wait what it will look like in ark 2, for combat i think people wanna be able to do anything besides spamming mouse1

[lavish sparrow]

Ark 1 third person camera wouldn't work because its ark

If it suddenly works for ark 2 then my worry is that they are straying too far from ark 1

for them trying to "redefine" the survival genre taking the combat from every other AAA game and putting it in Ark that isn't really redefining anything

[mint swan]

They already are, its most likely going to be a rpg, the only correlation we know so far is story and dinos

[lavish sparrow]

rpg haha

Goodbye open world ark where you do what the fuck you want

Hello critic bait RPG

[blissful perch]

ark has RPG elements and relies heavily on them for player retention

(the entire mutation system and leveling system is RPG)

[lavish sparrow]

and whats coming next?

a skill tree

When will a game do ANYTHING new and original

[mint swan]

They wont, only indie games do that

Well thats not completely true, but most popular indie games invent a new gameplay mechanic

[sharp garnet]

It’s my b-day today!!!

[mint swan]

Congrats

[sharp garnet]

Thank you

[blissful perch]

The tame centric gameplay is very unique to the survival genre

most of the time tames are either a single creature that blindly follows you around or they act as a familiar for a specific class. Very rarely are creatures their own separate AI entities that also can be controlled and mounted to the degree ark offers

(also, most survival games are first person. It's actually more unique to do exclusively third than first)

[lavish sparrow]

But like

I feel like they are straying away from "survival"

If they nail the gameplay good for them but how am I supposed to be hyped for ark 2 when they haven't shown any gameplay

My worry is that it will be rushed

I doubt they have had much time to work with ue5

4 years of development maybe? Cyberpunk was 8 years and look at it

Ark 2 is more ambitious than cyberpunk while having half the development time

My worry is that they will cut content to fit into the games deadline

[tropic crag]

It's me, I'm the super positive reaction to third person in Ark 2

[tropic crag]

Never, really. Nothing is original, as you should know

[blissful perch]

cyberpunk afaik was also not early access

[tropic crag]

Early access solves this issue, the game will be in development for another few years 😁

[blissful perch]

ark 1 also felt like a featureless demo compared to current ark 1 when it first came out

[tropic crag]

What he said lol

[lavish sparrow]

So it comes out in early access in 2023 or releases then

[blissful perch]

EA

[lavish sparrow]

?

[blissful perch]

early access

[lavish sparrow]

Open beta free to play for early access or another early access for 2 years with a dlc released 1 year in

Btw did they ever actually give a reason for why they released scorched in the EA

[tropic crag]

Yes, many times

[lavish sparrow]

What reason did they give?

[blissful perch]

Not sure if they did so openly but it was obvious

[split dove]

scorched was origanly supposed to be free, but it ended up being paid dlc due to them having a big lawsuit at the time iirc

[lavish sparrow]

Oh

[blissful perch]

No idea what this means. Early access means the game is unfinished. DLC may or may not come out along the way, it’s basically irrelevant to the early access status

[lavish sparrow]

Haha they really should try and tell more people thaf

People like bigfry jumped on the hate train

[blissful perch]

No company should have to tell people “oh yea you’re covering my law suit” in a steam news page 😂

[split dove]

that would decrease the sales

[tropic crag]

Who is Bigfry? Never heard of him lol

[lavish sparrow]

Also wildcard was deleting comments criticizing them for the dlc or something

[lavish sparrow]

Some assy youtuber who jumps on the hate train of every game and rarely praises a game

[tropic crag]

Well, that's kind of biased then, lmao. Sounds like an idiot tbh

[lavish sparrow]

Type of person to play a game day 1 and because it's buggy and bad he assumes the devs are evil

[lavish sparrow]

He hardly praises games

He criticized ark for releasing scorched without bothering to research why

[tropic crag]

Like most of the playerbase

[split dove]

deleting comments due to critisicm is what a lot of companies do these days when products are shit (can't handle a game being bad like Battlefield 2042)

[lavish sparrow]

Does that make it right?

[split dove]

no

[blissful perch]

You’re allowed to critique a game or company freely

You’re also allowed to be judged if your opinion makes no sense or lacks substance

[lavish sparrow]

This

[split dove]

some spicy ark 2 hot takes

[tropic crag]

Yeah, corpos deleting comments and/or paying off game journalists is nothing new

[lavish sparrow]

Although there's a certain platform online where people take offense for being judged if their opinion lacks any substance

[blissful perch]

If you post on the company’s platform they should have the right to take things down. Same as a YouTuber deleting comments off their channel. It’s also the right of players/consumers to scrutinize and judge people who delete content and react accordingly

[lavish sparrow]

I may seem negative about ark 2 but I'm just worried that the huge ambition and great design will be dragged down by poor decision making

[tropic crag]

But there's only so much that one can do, if you have a huge following and release a video on Youtube badmouthing a game, some will see it, and even outrage when it gets taken down (if it does)

[tropic crag]

Also this

[blissful perch]

Voicing concerns for ark 2 should always be promoted in this chat, and I’m a bit disappointed when regular chatters don’t help people channel their concerns into concrete and specific issues a dev team can respond to

[untold ingot]

It's a valid worry, but too much negativity only breeds more negativity when the actual game releases. If you have a specific worry it's fine to voice that, but general naysaying and criticisms for a game that has yet to be released makes no sense and isn't beneficial to anyone lol

[lavish sparrow]

I honestly wish the devs were a bit more active here

[tropic crag]

When people show up and go "Ark bad, Wildcard sux" it really doesn't help anything, so preach brother

[untold ingot]

They do watch the channel regularly

[lavish sparrow]

AKA 90% of the PVP community

[tropic crag]

They read everything, what more could we want?

[lavish sparrow]

Do they read everything?

[tropic crag]

Yes

[lavish sparrow]

what times do they usually come in the chat

[blissful perch]

They can’t talk here much

[tropic crag]

When they have time to

[blissful perch]

The community endlessly pings them and comments disgusting things to them. We demonstrated we cannot casually converse with the team

[lavish sparrow]

Also my problem is why if they planned on making scorched free why did they charge for all the following DLC's

[untold ingot]

It is a standard thing to charge for dlc

[blissful perch]

Because developing a game costs money and you have to charge it to keep making a game

[tropic crag]

Because it makes sense, lol

[untold ingot]

They didn't initially plan for ark to last for 8 years and get bigger every year lol

[tropic crag]

Either that or put... blech... microtransactions in

[lavish sparrow]

Fair

[tropic crag]

Ark would've died hard if it had a battlepass, just sayin

[lavish sparrow]

Also it would be funny if they added a battle royale mode into ark 2

[tropic crag]

They actually had one, funny enough

[lavish sparrow]

I actually think it would make for a very interesting gamemode

[lavish sparrow]

ye but ark 2?

[tropic crag]

Ah, didn't see that edit 😅

[blissful perch]

Dollie said no for launch

[lavish sparrow]

but fortnite ark survival evolved

[untold ingot]

I fully anticipate there to be a mod like that after about a week lol

[blissful perch]

I hope sotf revival folks can make it happen in ark 2. It’s fun to watch

[untold ingot]

But it's not going to be big unless you are in the right circles

[lavish sparrow]

No its like

Imagine playing something like apex

In a world designed by wildcard

[untold ingot]

Hmm, wildcards specialty isn't in battle royales though

[lavish sparrow]

no but there are other companies that are

[tropic crag]

Turok (2013), but it's a battle royale 🤣

[untold ingot]

It would honestly probably feel like a ripoff of other battle Royale games

[lavish sparrow]

Maybe there could be a respawn partnership

Wildcard design an apex map

Me and my friends always loved the idea of it so

[untold ingot]

A tarkov ark2 I could see being fun, but I wouldn't really enjoy a random ark battle royale

[lavish sparrow]

Apex is not a random battle royale though

It is the BEST battle royale 😉

[untold ingot]

The elements of it are no different to any other, it just has different characters and a higher ttk lol

[lavish sparrow]

No

The core of it is movement and positioning

[blissful perch]

like every other battle royale

[lavish sparrow]

Compare warzone and Apex. Apex has tap strafing, wall jumping, super gliding, movement legends, zipline mechanics

[blissful perch]

the movement in apex looks clean tho...but the same general principles hold in almost all battle royales

[lavish sparrow]

Apex is built off of titanfall assets and mechanics

The map is big and detailed too

[blissful perch]

it's clearly a highly attractive battle royale. But then again so is fortnite

[lavish sparrow]

Uhhhhh no

[blissful perch]

same genre, different unique characteristics

[lavish sparrow]

I'm not touching a shooter that has bloom

[blissful perch]

believe it or not I don't actually care about your opinion when I'm speaking about a game's market success XD

[lavish sparrow]

cool

But my original point was imagine a movement based battle royale like apex in say the ark 2 map

[blissful perch]

ark is a movement based game in many ways

[lavish sparrow]

with its momentum physics ok

[blissful perch]

what held it back was very basic player movement, wildly variable player movement speeds, and very few tools for players to mechanically engage with

[untold ingot]

Honestly I really don't like apex movement lol

[blissful perch]

no other game has movement like the enforcer for example

I don't like fortnite building either XD. But that doesn't mean it's not worth considering

[untold ingot]

Fortnite without building is my preferred battle Royale lol, mainly because my pc handles it best jaja

[tropic crag]

A Tarkov/Hunt: Showdown-style mode would be sick, I'd be down

[lavish sparrow]

Fortnite nobuild doesnt work imo

the mechanics are slow and janky

and the map has almost no cover

[tropic crag]

Then why is it the most popular mode in recent years?

[untold ingot]

Either way, I really don't anticipate and ark 2 battle royale

[tropic crag]

Me neither

[untold ingot]

If there was I probably wouldn't play it anyway 😅

[tropic crag]

Yeah, like the Fallout 76 BR... but I didn't play that mainly because I didn't play the game itself once it came out 😂

[blissful perch]

I could see structured gamemodes for SURE working, battle royales included

but they'd need to be heavily modified

[tropic crag]

And moderated, the percentage of cheaters you see once a game is more structured PvP-wise goes up drastically

[untold ingot]

Imo ark always catered to a more lengthy gametime than a normal battle Royale does

[blissful perch]

that's imo because ark is a way slower game

but in ark 2 you could certainly run fight pits or battle royales with very specific tailored settings for faster rounds

[tropic crag]

That could be good, seeing as how some people spend admittedly waaaay too much time in Ark, losing jobs and not eating right and such

[untold ingot]

I could see a battle field type game mode coming out, but not a battle royale

[blissful perch]

imo that's more the fault of your stuff always being vulnerable and the MMO "come back and play or your stuff dies/decays"

[blissful perch]

ok that sounds sick, and I'd actually swing by pvp if they did that

[tropic crag]

Maybe a faster paced mode that they see and go "hey, I won't lose my job if I play a few rounds of this before or after work each day" would be beneficial

[blissful perch]

well I've been pushing "round" based ark 2 pvp options for ages LOL

[untold ingot]

Uh, no, people do that about literally anything lol. It's not the games fault

[tropic crag]

Oh yeah I know, we've come full circle (like we do)

[untold ingot]

Mts actually has one, but it's pretty bad

[blissful perch]

addiction to anything is possible. It's simply more likely if you use psychological tricks to make a game hard to quit or hard to put down

Sucks to hear it didn't work so well with MTS. Did you try it Raq? What did it feel it was missing?

[tropic crag]

What is MTS?

[blissful perch]

really popular unofficial pvp server hosting group

[tropic crag]

Ah, ok

[blissful perch]

I watched some folks play it and it inspired me to like wipes XD

[untold ingot]

Anticheat enforcement is what was missing lol. Every game had aimbot and speed hacks lol

[blissful perch]

oh LOL that'll do it

[untold ingot]

It was fun without that though lol

[blissful perch]

yea, I do kinda think most if not all pvp will require enforcement and anticheat to take off

I'm shocked so many folks play ark 1 pvp despite that tbh

[tropic crag]

Well, yeah lol

[swift stratus]

anyone knows if ark2 will be crossplay with steam and ps4?

[blissful perch]

since it won't be on PS4 there will be no crossplay

[tropic crag]

At least to begin with, and as far as we know

[blissful perch]

PS4 is last gen Bruising

[tropic crag]

Ah, yes

I forgor lol

[untold totem]

The thing is it's a constant arms race between anticheats and the cheaters

That is why the anti-cheat is not enough and shouldn't rely on anticheat alone

[blissful perch]

that's why he added "enforcement" 🙂

[mortal kestrel]

I want a creature that has movement that is a mix between the rockdrake and maewings in arkII

basically, it can pounce and swoop like a rockdrake and slide and "boost" like a maewing, with the gliding of course

I call the maewings swoop a boost because it isnt really a swoop in all honesty, you just go forward super fast randomly and keep it going for quite some time as long as you keep the angle right

doesnt wildcard participate literally every year though?

Im curious if we will get more arkII deets during PAX

[opaque wagon]

They have participated every year since Ark has launched. 🙂

[mortal kestrel]

thats what im saying

give it bloodstalker webs and also the shadowmane blink attack

and make it teleport like an enforcer

yes

though in all seriousness, I do want more gliding dinos in arkII

hmm yes, rockdrakes - busted

says literally no one ever

I did

[tropic crag]

Well, to be fair, you shouldn't take the broken version into account lmao

Just the intended version

[mortal kestrel]

gliding is far more interesting then "hmm yes, hold sprint and w simulator"

[tropic crag]

Ok, and? That means nothing, still

The engine was the cause of most of those, so

[mortal kestrel]

the state of release doesnt mean shit

its common for game devs to release stuff super broken so it it can be balanced down

[mortal kestrel]

also this ^

ue5 by itself fixes most of arks issues tbh

[tropic crag]

But it wasn't intended to to be that way, was it?

[mortal kestrel]

besides, combat in general will be way more complex than pressing left click until your finger goes numb

so the more involved glider type mobile tames will fit in the game much better anyways

[tropic crag]

Just because it took them awhile to find a cause for a bug doesn't mean they didn't care, lmao

[mortal kestrel]

well you cant just instantly fix something you know

especially with a game as fucked up as ark

[tropic crag]

Literally the most borked take

[mortal kestrel]

you change one thing and break half the game

[tropic crag]

That too

Then you understand how hard it was for them to fix things without breaking 30 others

Maybe in a stable engine, sure

[mortal kestrel]

you do know ark is is a fuck fest of spaghetti code right?

[grave python]

is everything in ark 2 really going to be tamed the same painful way as the amogusaurus?

[mortal kestrel]

we dont know anything about that yet

but I doubt

even if it was a similar method, I am sure it will be way more refined and enjoyable in arkII

by far the most annoying tame in ark for me is shadowmanes

fuck fish baskets

[tropic crag]

Because it was easy to fix. Not the rule, just the exception. But I can see you just wanna argue, so I'm out

[mortal kestrel]

[minor prism]

You play ark ther is no out unfortunately bro😂 u leave one argument to start another lol

[mortal kestrel]

gliders in ark have far more complex coding than most creatures I would imagine, considering how few there are and how none of them really feel the same

ngl the best gliders to fly imo are by far the rockdrake and maewing, they just feel so smooth compard to griffys and snow owls

to be fair, they did more than change the damage numbers on the rockdrake though

they changed its attack speed, as well as its glide and swoop speed

still faster than a wyvern though

slow ass lizards

I'd love to see more creatures that can jump like manas too, and swing like bloodstalkers

basically, more unique movement in general

Im tired of this basic as fuck flying that you see literally everywhere

[tropic crag]

Still want a monkey that can swing from tree to tree

[mortal kestrel]

I imagine the trees would need vines for that

[tropic crag]

Swingable vines better take advantage of that

There's swingable vines in Ark 2

[mortal kestrel]

monkeys generally jump between trees, not swing

Im hoping arkIis grappling hooks will work more like bloodstalker webs, then whatever the hell arkIs grappling hook is

[tropic crag]

Even that I'd be fine with, if they could have it target parts to sit on like how the bloodstalker targets it's webs onto suitable surfaces

I just think swinging from vines would be easier and more fun

[grave python]

the most annoying tame is the fucking eel

[tropic crag]

Hard disagree, still the shadowmane easily

[mortal kestrel]

harder to impliment though

because that means every tree needs to be on the larger side and have vines (not that im necessarily against this idea, but I could see how it could be hard for the devs to do)

[grave python]

u feed the eel while it's trying to kill u then it fucking runs away and repeat the proces 100 times

[mortal kestrel]

tbh the most annoying part of shadowmane taming isnt even taming the shadowmane itself

its getting the fucking fish in the basket

[tropic crag]

Then you been taming em wrong mate, no agro needed

[tropic crag]

Fair enough

[winged dome]

There's literally no reason to tame an Eel though. They don't shock when tamed, their torpor/damage ratio is abysmal, and they're not even good swarm fighters

[tropic crag]

That too, lol

More of a show off tame

[mortal kestrel]

Im hoping that we can place bushes in arkII

I want to make a hedge themed base

[tropic crag]

I hope there's growable foliage that isn't just berry bushes and crops as well

[mortal kestrel]

yeah

I want more glowy abby themed foliage

and glowing water like what we see in vanaheim

[tropic crag]

Like, if I want a tree in my pavilion, let me plant a damn indoor tree

[past wind]

No pleasse, it will lag like h*ll. Unless UE5 is really well optimized for Ark’s complexity

[mortal kestrel]

ue5 is indeed really well optimized for a game like ark

[tropic crag]

Yeah, kinda why they're using the engine for it lol

[mortal kestrel]

[past wind]

I know it’s better optimized than UE4 of course, but individual handplaced trees growing… I don’t know

Every tree would be like an Npc

[mortal kestrel]

I play with deco mods and it actually isnt that bad

[tropic crag]

Are crops treated as NPCs? lol

[mortal kestrel]

probably since they are dynamic?

but the better way to go about it is making the plants act as structures instead of npcs

[winged dome]

Ark1 has a foliage mod that basically spawns in trees/rocks whatever the same way the map does normally so it doesn't cause lag or anything even if there are obscene amounts of decorations

[mortal kestrel]

^

[winged dome]

Planters, I think it's called? It's great

[mortal kestrel]

RR garden deco is also really nice

[tropic crag]

Huh, always struck me as just an add on to the structure of the crop plot, but to be fair I've not personally looked into it

[mortal kestrel]

same tbh

[tropic crag]

Just by the way that they are treated in-game, and how they don't bring up that UI like the dinos and vehicles do

[mortal kestrel]

yeah, the only reason why I'd think they are possibly an npc is because the models of the crops change as they grow

but that can also be done with structures too though

[tropic crag]

Yeah, kinda like the taxidermy base to an extent

Very modular and such, with multiple appearances (poses)

[winged dome]

No joke, Taxidermy Bases are probably one of my favorite additions to Ark. Cool way to show off accomplishments and decorate

[split dove]

even if some dermises don't look like the creature itself

[blissful perch]

my understanding is that the crop state is not dynamic. It simply rotates between four set "states"

it needs to track the growth time ofc, but it's not a mob in the same way a coel or rex is

[grave python]

macrophage dermis looks like a dimorph

[blissful perch]

taxidermy needs to also exist for bosses and alpha creatures imo

yea, because the default creature afaik is the dimorph

[split dove]

you can get dermises from those?

[blissful perch]

you can get nameless and seeker dermis too

but on other maps things get borked

[grave python]

macrophage also lays dimorph eggs

[split dove]

some hard to get dermises break on other maps like mega mek

[grave python]

and the macrophage dermis only has 1 pose available

[split dove]

1 more pose than abberation rockwell

[grave python]

rockwell tentacle dermis is a thing

[winged dome]

Overseer Dermis is pretty disappointing

[blissful perch]

parakeet fish schools also lay dimorph eggs...saw one on fjordur and died laughing

[grave python]

desert titan flock lays dimorph eggs

[split dove]

i wonder if the insect swarm also does that lol

[blissful perch]

i think so

to my knowledge all the swarmers are dimorph based

[grave python]

i don't think insect swarm is dimorph based

it's based on some scrapped material from SE

[split dove]

[grave python]

same for tek spyglass

[blissful perch]

insect swarm and parakeet fish school have near identical code to my understanding

[grave python]

desert titan flock has a similar spawncode too

baseswarmchar_bp_c

[blissful perch]

yep. Probably all the same basic code base

[grave python]

be careful. cheat-spawned desert titan flocks are unkillable, not even with a red gun, only via dinowipe

[split dove]

added dimorphodon eggs as a drop to the swarms to just fuck with people

[grave python]

don't forget dimorph laying pt eggs in sotf

and spino sometimes lays bronto eggs

[tropic crag]

They mean behind the scenes, like code wise

[grave python]

defeners on ext actually lay tapejara eggs

same for attack drone

there was a time when u could tame an attack drone on gen1 and breed them for white tapejaras

[tropic crag]

I remember, those were the times

[split dove]

fun memories

[grave python]

and when ext was just released manas could lay carno eggs

[split dove]

those were confusing times indeed

[grave python]

if u use getegg command on desmodus u get an x tapi egg

[tropic crag]

Makes sense

We are waaaaay off topic though

Maybe circle back around a bit

[split dove]

bringing it back with ark 2 i want rexes to lay brachio eggs

[grave python]

is the swarm coming to SE with ascension?

[split dove]

all we know is the ascension

[tropic crag]

We don't even know what they mean, either. Could be just a cutscene, could be an overseer, could be a whole ass tek cave

[stray elm]

I'd love if the swarm finally came out

[grave python]

if the swarm is coming then there will be another dino that lays dimorph eggs

there is a mod for the swarm though

even with an x the swarm

[stray elm]

I know, but that's a mod. Not a official creature

[tropic crag]

It do be using the official textures from the devkit doe

[split dove]

imagine the swarm gets reused as a creature local to Arat 🧐

[stray elm]

TRUE

Never understood why they never added it in.

[tropic crag]

Time constraints and not knowing how

They only just barely figured it out with Extinction

[stray elm]

Pretty sure the creature was made around Scorched's time.

[tropic crag]

The phoenix was a similar thing, but they also made it for the obvious reason

[tropic crag]

Yeah, but not the AI that controls it, that came later

[stray elm]

Is that even in the game?
Pretty sure only the model was left in the dev-kit. And the mod-creator made the texture and A.I.

[tropic crag]

I mean the official Wildcard swarm AI, you know, for the swarms that are in the game?

[stray elm]

I mean the cut creature that was nicknamed 'the swarm'

It was a beetle like insect that had a hive on its back

[tropic crag]

The texture was on it still I believe, or at least the structure part they "come out" of

[stray elm]

Nope, looking at old footage now and no one is showing it with its texture

[tropic crag]

Uhhh, then you are mistaken, that's a different thing

[grave python]

netgun and tek binoculars were also cut items from SE

[stray elm]

Nah, i'm not mistake.
You where just not based enough.

[stray elm]

Beller, what swarm creature where you talking about?

The swarm from Genesis 1, or the cut beetle?

[tropic crag]

The swarm was supposed to be a beehive like structure, and little things came out of it is swarms, hence the name

[stray elm]

No shit

[tropic crag]

There is no cut beetle, afaik

[stray elm]

It literally looks like a scarab beetle.

[tropic crag]

It's just a mound

[stray elm]

Nope.
It's a creature

[grave python]

those things looked identical to the ones in genesis swarm but lone and larger

[tropic crag]

The texture/model for it is used in some maps

[stray elm]

Can i DM you something Bruce?

[tropic crag]

Sure

[stray elm]

Also, i'm dumb.
I mean 'the hive' not 'the swarm'

[tropic crag]

Weird, I am thinking of something else entirely

If only we could share PICTURES here

The one I'm thinking of is like a mound or termite/anthill lookin thing, and it spawns the swarms (or was supposed to, that is)

The texture for it was still on it last I heard/saw, and it was even used/placed on some maps, minus the swarm of course (Lost Island, maybe? Idk)

[livid gyro]

I wish they gave ingame footage, I never judge games until I get to see footage of it

[lime forge]

They’ll give in game footage before it launches at least

[tropic crag]

We hope, lol

[echo vine]

[winged dome]

Do we know if Ark2 is going to be early access? Or just speculated to be

[split dove]

it will launch early access next year, steam page confirms this

[winged dome]

Cool, thanks

[lavish sparrow]

How long will it be early access though

Will it be an open beta?

free to play until release?

or will it just be early access at a discounted price

[split dove]

probably like ark 1 did

[lavish sparrow]

so $25 when its in beta

and $60 when its released

then back down to $20 when they have sold enough copies

[split dove]

it will definitely be less than full release price

[blissful perch]

What on earth is the beta language being thrown around? Early access is functionally identical to an open beta

The only difference is that you pay the dev team so they can afford to finish their beta

[split dove]

it could also be bc the game is already out for a few years?

[winged dome]

Early Access is more akin to a Closed Beta since you have to pay to get in

[stray elm]

I have said this so many times.
Open-Beta's and Early-Access are basically the same thing. It's just that Early-Access is more if a zing word or something within the industry now.

I don't see many 'Beta's' anymore and just 'early-access' games

[regal spear]

Beta makes it seem unfinished and players think theyre gonna get ripped off. Early access sounds better and they usually give players some shitty in-game gift.

[stray elm]

Okay, well. At this point in time then, they're one in the same.
Hell, i think a lot of consumers think that Beta's sound more pleasing then early-access titles.
Cause there's WAY to many that have disappointed people.

[split dove]

one of the most recent examples is easily battlefield 2042

[stray elm]

Yep

[blissful perch]

Closed in this case usually means that a dev can deny a willing customer access to a copy of the game...which I've almost never heard of in early access XD

[winged dome]

I mean ... they deny if you don't pay 😂

[mint swan]

i never got a gift for ea lol

[blissful perch]

You did if you got ark in EA. Usually a cheaper game

Some games also offer unique skins or cosmetics for buying early access. Think a lotta folks don’t realize early access is sometimes the only way a game can fund its own completion

[tropic forge]

nowadays this is the norm for most games and kickstart they take it latterly that name on a game project just a start that they will run away whit the cash or they make a game to be on ea to get more funds for the completion

since ppl accept ea as a way of not waiting like 4 to 8 years for a game almost all games are now ea and some even start whit kickstart, long is the time you had to wait for quite a while to play a sequel of a game you like it very much

[blissful nest]

okay so I have a question

Is praise bob like a channel for the ark animated series

[ripe marsh]

yes

it's been renamed to praise bob cause of the bob chain and a severe lack of stuff to talk about

[ripe marsh]

Honestly, I feel like most people have this mindset about ea games only because they literally get to see the development happening. Obviously it's gonna feel slow cause making games isn't easy. AAA games don't have this issue because development is in private.

Despite what I said, I do feel ARK 2 was announced too early but I suppose it was to hire more developers or some unknown reason I'm unaware of.

Also, I think it's a major exaggeration to say "almost all games are now ea", while yes there is a rising market it simply isn't true. However, you can make the argument for dino related games lol; 6 of them are still/will be in EA.

[blissful perch]

What’s “too early”?

[tropic crag]

Before there is, beyond a reasonable doubt, a chance that the game will come out within 6 or so months. imo
Edit: Wtf? Discord autcorrected me

[blissful perch]

I feel like it’s too early if someone can’t be certain they’ll ever release the game they made the trailer for XD

[tropic crag]

Fair

[grave python]

i really hope in ark 2 all dinos make their own sound. it can be a sound from ark 1 but no creature should immitate other creatures unless it's how they hunt

i'm okay with murder turky resembling archa but how tf does the mosa make the plesio sound

and it's not a full list of what makes the plesio sounds

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I am hoping that at the beginning there are less dinos, so that they can focus more on making every dino really well done rather than just having huge quantity to begin with

[lament viper]

Most likely a roster of the most iconic Dinos and (hopefully) one for harvesting each resource.

That'll leave a lot of room for adding new (or old) stuff, which keeps the game alive. (And people paying.)

[untold ingot]

I anticipate a large portion of old dinos, and a fair amount of new ones will be added

[lavish sparrow]

Pretty sure open beta means a free beta testing stage

[lavish sparrow]

I'm hoping that they wont work on a DLC right away

I think with Ark 1 they focused too much on content

they need to polish the game, then release content

[untold ingot]

A dlc after a year would be normal

[lavish sparrow]

eh

not really

this is an early access game

Put all resources towards fixing up the game and listening to feedback

THEN add content

[blissful perch]

Gamers have repeatedly demonstrated these days that content > polish. This really cool game called Skyrim is an easy to consider example

[lavish sparrow]

Cyberpunk?

[blissful perch]

Cyberpunk did neither afaik, they just dropped a game and it had content holes and bugs 😆

[lavish sparrow]

It had 20-30 hrs of content

more than most critic bait AAA games

[lavish sparrow]

gamebreaking bugs

I'd rather have a complete and polished experience over another ark 1 content:bugs situation

[blissful perch]

Many people pretend this is true, when turn around and claim “dead” game because content drops come out more rarely as a result of time spent polishing. You can see it in your own comment that a game “only” has 20-30 hours of content

More content always makes more bugs…and as a development team there’s almost always contention between adding content and bugs vs polishing the existing game and removing bugs

[grave python]

dinos that must be removed: giga, ichthy, troodon, microraptor, jellyfish, eel, ant and argy

[fallow lion]

Why

[blissful perch]

I’m down to see gigas and eels go. And troodon taming is straight garbage lol, I hate how hard it is to get them to kill the correct targets

But don’t touch my seagulls

[mint swan]

Those birds that take stuff from u?

[blissful perch]

Only food, they’re just hungry bois

[mint swan]

They are annoying and I wish they all perish

[blissful perch]

If you’re gonna complain may as well direct it at pegos

[mint swan]

Idk animals off the top of my head..

The ugly fuzzy things that take stuff?

[blissful perch]

That’s a pego yes

[mint swan]

Ew

I hope they perish aswell

I haven't played 4 like a year so I'm like rusty with animals

Like im currently walking around in my bday suit and with a reaper head on

[blissful perch]

I’ll trade my beloved seagulls for gigas also being removed

[mint swan]

Gigas are cool wym

[blissful perch]

They’re a giant boring generic looking dinosaur

[mint swan]

Yeah

Which is cool😡😡

[blissful perch]

The only cool thing about them is their size, and even then it’s meh

[mint swan]

I personally like the death chicken with jazz hands

Idk the actual name..

[blissful perch]

Theri?

[mint swan]

Yeah sure

Lemme look it up 💀

Yeah that gorgeous specimen

I also like just about all of the tek animals..

[blissful perch]

I’m gonna miss tek creatures a bit. They don’t fit ark 2 but they do look beautiful

[mint swan]

My first dino besides dodos was a tek parasaur

I am in love

[grave python]

it doesn't steal. it just wants to play

[mint swan]

He wants to play with my meat 😡😡

[grave python]

tame him

[mint swan]

Kill him.

[grave python]

ez cheap tames that can kill titans

[mint swan]

I don't have stuff anymore

The best I have is a pterodactyl

Idk the ark name but it's something goofy

And I'm pretty sure I lost it while switching servers

[mint swan]

Good thing I don't plan on getting 2. I get angry enuff as it is

[blissful perch]

Ark 1 does have some infuriating moments

[mint swan]

SOME?

[blissful perch]

Compared to 2015? Yea some lol. Used to be all the damn time the older you went

[mint swan]

I accidentally ate a fertilized dodo egg instead off the reg one

[blissful perch]

I still remember clipping into the tek cave and instantly dying and getting my stuff wiped

[mint swan]

I'm glad I wasn't into dinos in 2015..

[blissful perch]

I’ve been in love since I can remember

[mint swan]

I'm only 14 so I was probably "too young to brutally kill animals 🥺🥺"

I was also like 7 💀

Or something like that..

[blissful perch]

Next generation of ark player

[mint swan]

Ark is underrated

[blissful perch]

I’d say the effort to make ark is often underrated

[mint swan]

My father was the one who got me into it.. we took a year break tho cuz he had a stroke but now he's playing with me again

[blissful perch]

It’s a wonderful thing to have father son gaming. I hope to do it with my kids someday

[mint swan]

Omg. I wanna say I love you but it sounds weird. Everyone assumes I'm a girl nowadays 💀

[blissful perch]

Well I assumed you were male for no reason because most gamers are male 🤣. Seems I got lucky

[mint swan]

That's fair I suppose

Lol I'm actually trans ftm

My dad hasn't gotten used to it yet but he's trying 💀💀

[blissful perch]

I can imagine it’s tricky getting used to that as a parent even if you support it imo

[mint swan]

Yeah, my mom "supports lgbtq" and all that but she refused to accept me

Like her friend is even trans 😶

[blissful perch]

Well it’s “ok for thee but not for me”

Wish ya luck on that journey. Luckily ark is for everyone 😊

[mint swan]

Thank you, it means a lot man

[blissful perch]

It’s also toxic for everyone at times

[mint swan]

I've never really talked to anyone on ark besides my dad and his friends

[blissful perch]

I was raised playing games mostly alone or local coop, as my folks didn’t let me communicate much with strangers online. Didn’t really start until I was 18 playing team shooters

[mint swan]

Honestly I regret talking online sometimes

It messed up my head and now I'm dirty minded + I have a lot of insecurities cuz of people on the internet

[blissful perch]

I do wish ark 2 has better voice chat functionality lol, but yes you’re right…it’s a big concern of mine to one day raise kids in a world where they’re constantly exposed to social media and Internet folks they’ll never physically meet

[mint swan]

I'm scared to use vc on ark cuz I accidentally scream bad words 💀 but yeah, I wouldn't really let them have it until they are at least 13.. coming from a teenager

I barely read that

[blissful perch]

Yea it was way too prying for an open discord 😊. That being said I hope it’s possible when I have kids to be able to let them enjoy games like ark 2 without being exposed to the more dangerous parts of online gaming

[mint swan]

Just set certain boundaries. Coming from a slightly abusive household (I don't live with my dad, he's fine) if they become open to that kind of stuff I don't reccomend yelling- i think parents should be more calm with their children, because if a parent gets mad at their child all the time then that child is most likely going to sneak stuff behind the parents back

Sorry i shouldn't really be telling you how to parent 💀

[blissful perch]

I did grab a minor in psychology so I could parent better XD. I care extremely deeply about raising kids as best I can. No shame in trying to help others either 😆

[mint swan]

I like the sound of that

[blissful perch]

You’ll learn a lot between 14 and your early 20’s. Stuff you didn’t think you’d learn

[mint swan]

Yeah

[blissful perch]

My advice is to talk to as many people as possible and be open to their stories. My worldview changed a great deal as I met people not like me and my hometown

[mint swan]

I have social anxiety so that will be tuff but I'm sure it's obtainable

[blissful perch]

Only way to bust anxiety down is to face it after you have confidence in yourself. I used to be scared to speak online but after a few years of it you get used to the rules and make some friends if you’re lucky. At your age I wouldn’t dare send a message in the ark 2 chat (or any chat lol)

[mint swan]

Lol fair, I talk in the chat sometimes but that's only when I'm talking to people my dad knows, or when im asking a question

[blissful perch]

And that’s totally legit! You’re 14 not 40 lol, you have some kinks to work out. It took me until 18 to feel somewhat comfortable in my own skin 🤣

[mint swan]

I saw kinks and gasped.

[blissful perch]

But I fell in love with game design as a late teen and it got me into chatting a lot with folks in a respectful and positive way. Had a ton of fun meeting tons of people (like the ones I’ve met here )

[mint swan]

I love people but they scare me sometimes 😭

[blissful perch]

Socializing is a scary prospect at times, and you’ll run into situations you feel uncomfortable in at all life stages. Being confident in your choices and yourself helps a lot, but so is being ok with making mistakes sometimes. But you’ll learn that yourself 😛. I like to hope the environment I help cultivate here when I’m around is inviting

[mint swan]

I've had people sexualize me through games when I was 11 and I stopped talking for like a year after that but I finally owned up to it and nothing has happened after that

[blissful perch]

Glad to hear it. Though I’d recommend not telling me that as a stranger 😅. Some things are best left unshared to the public

[mint swan]

Fair enough

My bad

[blissful perch]

It’s your choice to share what you want to, but I don’t want someone less kind than I to see it if you intended to just tell me 😆. Nothing to apologize about!

[mint swan]

Alright

Well I might play a bit or simfin, I'm bored asf

Sumfin*

[blissful perch]

You can edit discord messages you send XD. I’ve been doing it the whole time

[mint swan]

Yeah ik it's just easier to do that

[blissful perch]

I admire your patience despite the slow mode lol

[mint swan]

Lol

[blissful perch]

Did you read the pinned messages here? You’re always welcome to spend some time getting hyped for ark 2 with us 🤣

[mint swan]

I have 2 in my wishlist on steam even tho my crappy laptop won't be able to handle it 💀

[blissful perch]

Oh man I’ve been there lol, had to drop ark 1 for two years because my laptop would burn my house down if I opened ark

[mint swan]

LOL my ps4 sounds like a helicopter

It's so loud for no reason 💀

[blissful perch]

It’s trying to cool off after ark threatens a fire

[mint swan]

Lol

[blissful perch]

The fire wyvern burns far less hot than the game itself 😂

[mint swan]

lol yeah

I've never owned a wyvern before but ik they are a bit hard to fight unless ur a freak like @mint swan and made one bird be able to fight billions of them 💀

Bird

[blissful perch]

Swiping wyvern eggs with goofy low level tames is a wonderful meme

[mint swan]

Bro he bred his wyverns and there's so many eggs

Lowkey concerned for that poor thing

She had enough 😭

[blissful perch]

I did hard crash a couple private servers with dimorph eggs, and a friend of mine did it with megalodon

Hopefully ark 2 has some way to uh…prevent that

[mint swan]

Yeah that would be nice

[blissful perch]

The ark 1 change that unclaimed babies don’t automatically mate helps a lot

[mint swan]

Be* omg

[mint swan]

I haven't really payed attention to the new stuff besides that weird platypus

[blissful perch]

I always read patch notes lol, I wish I could see something more detailed than “fixed exploit” but I get it’s to avoid telling people about it

[mint swan]

I see

I just play then get angry and leave

[wispy sierra]

Damn shifter

Okay

[tropic crag]

👀

[blissful perch]

What did I do 😅

[wispy sierra]

coming in here with the life advice

[rough scaffold]

Excuse me

[split dove]

Perry took that personally

[rough scaffold]

Yes I most certainly did.

“Weird platypus”

[split dove]

how dare they

[mortal kestrel]

perry the tiddypus

thats what a maewing is

a tiddypus

I dont think santiago will be a tame

so no

[rough scaffold]

How many tranq arrows does it take to knock out vin diesel

[mortal kestrel]

69

[rough scaffold]

And how many cooked lamb pieces must I feed him for him to love me

[split dove]

probably 200, he's got his family with him at all times giving him a defence booster

[rough scaffold]

True

What if you inside his tribe family and then knock him out when he trusts you

[mortal kestrel]

bold of you to assume he trusts you

[rough scaffold]

Hmmmmmmm
It will take a long time to gain his trust

[split dove]

you'll have to disguise yourself as his future son, Vin petrol

[mortal kestrel]

vin ethanol

[grave python]

even if vin diesel isn't tameable u can just use givetome or forcetame and to get a baby vin diesel use setbabyage command

like u can do with one of the npc humans in ark

the nameless

[fast isle]

Can you enslave NPC humans like Conan?

[tropic crag]

The Nameless aren't human, fyi

[past wind]

No, but you can do it on Atlas. Atlas is basically Ark with a different theme (pirates).

I think Ark 2 might explore that aspect.

[grave python]

they are element-infused devolved humans

that are slowly turning into some other strange creature. in the dossier they had hair and a bit more human-like body

[tropic crag]

Says who? I need a source

The dossier says nothing of the sort

[grave python]

https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/forums/topic/269084-what-are-the-nameless/

theory here

[tropic crag]

...That's a theory, lmao

[stray elm]

A game theory!

[lament pagoda]

lmao it all got deleted

[stray elm]

What got deleted?

[lament pagoda]

we were speaking the truth, they silenced us

[stray elm]

Don't know what you're talking about, man.

No one has talked in here since Bruce

[long aurora]

I don't know how to feel about this but havent seen much either can someone reassure me it's gonna be as good as the hype.

Alls I really know is Vin Diesel and forced 3rd person and console mod menu.

And really good graphics.

[tropic crag]

Nobody has played it, so... no?

[fallow niche]

All info we have in the pins, so there's really no way for us to automatically say or even assume it's going to be good or bad

[long aurora]

I knew that. I'm just wondering if theres anything I've missed.

[long aurora]

Ok ty

[stray elm]

Everything is in pins.

ARK-2 also has a steam page with more information

[fallow niche]

Which is also conveniently pinned

[stray elm]

That's actually the richest information we've gotten for a bit.
That, and the last community crunch for ARK-2 stating they'll be random world events

[blissful perch]

Then major stuff not in the pins (and I hope we get it pinned lol) is the no tek tweet

[fallow niche]

I can't actually find that.

[analog osprey]

I hope Ark 2 will have wagons and carts without the need for a mod for it, there is not much selection as far as mods go for that

[stray elm]

Find what?

[fallow niche]

I did look I promise

[split dove]

i think it was part of the community crunch announcing ark 2

[fallow niche]

The tweet that shifter is talking about

[stray elm]

Oh yeah, that's the first ever ARK 2 crunch

The one the week after Genesis-2 launched

[split dove]

[fallow niche]

Well that would be in the pins too I think, or at least the wiki?

[stray elm]

It is in fact not in the pins

Only the most recent ARK 2 crunch is.

[fallow niche]

But why

I'll ask

[stray elm]

Probably cause there was nothing of worth, if you already saw the older trailer besides the "no tek" comment.

[lament pagoda]

Guess what's coming next for the ARK franchise? NOT DINOSAURS!!! In our next game, we will be taking a explicit focus on ARK's sci-fi themes, and ARK 2 will be taking place on an artificial planet only inhabited by tek creatures

[stray elm]

I can work with this

[fallow niche]

Oh okay, guess that makes sense

Whoops hit the send again sorry

[lament pagoda]

in ARK 2, Ryan Gosling will be playing Santiago, joined by his daughter who is played by Dwayne Johnson

[blissful perch]

Tbh that’s the ark 3 plot. Didn’t know we could leak it yet tho

[split dove]

[regal spear]

I hope there will be more livestock type animals

[subtle matrix]

Anyone know what specs might be needed to run ark 2?

[stray elm]

Nope

But probably higher then ARK-1's

[lament pagoda]

16gigs disk space, nvidia 970+

[grave python]

probably 2tb disc space

and a computer put in a fridge

[untold ingot]

I wouldn't imagine it would be any more intensive than ark1, those are the usual specs for an intensive game but there is no announcement as of yet

[tropic forge]

get ready to buy one 3090 rtx whit a 16 core cpu

[lament pagoda]

I'm actually very convinced tat ARK 2 will require a lot less disc space then ARK 1

70gb sounds reasonable if they're really building the game from the ground up.

[stray elm]

And if it's truly optimized.

[lament pagoda]

it's one of the UE5 showcase games, not an indie project where they don't need to give a damn

[stray elm]

True

[lament pagoda]

when I've been making assets for the survival stories, optimization is the least on my mind, and that was probably the idea for the original stages of development for ARK. But now they have to actually focus on it from the start, makes the players , developers

[mint swan]

Guess what

[timber bay]

ARK 2 needs to bring primitive plus back and build on it. The bricks the tools such an amazing concept that the devs just didn't see. Tek sucked the life out of ARK.

[lime forge]

Well great news man. Ark 2 is 100% primitive

[worldly crown]

ark 2 doesn't even need the newest features tbh, just improve on every issue ark 1 had

I have no idea how they would fix something like breeding because rn breeding on ark has gone so far. I Feel like anything else would be trash

[worldly crown]

I agree to an extent. I've never played prim+ tho. But ark would be HELLA boring if we can't at least get to medieval gear (flak, scout rifles) or even present-day gear (riot armor, assault rifles)

armor layering would be cool asf too

[grave python]

nameless also have similar hands to corrupted survivor/draugr

[fiery wedge]

?

[mint swan]

???

[grave python]

there was a dicussion about what the nameless are

another proof that it's a corrupte human

corrupted*

[mint swan]

ohhh

[fast isle]

Is that a diff game or a mod

[ocean tendon]

less than 100gb pls

[untold ingot]

I mean, if all they did was remake ark, no one will play it

[feral crystal]

Hello,

[grave python]

it's supposed to be a diferent game but it's just reskin ark with even more annoying dinos

[worldly crown]

no shit. I'm saying one of the most important things is that they repeat no mistakes. I see how that may not have been clear

[lavish sparrow]

I'm curious as to how wildcard will handle SSR in third person

Because in ark 1 if a dino or your player goes over something thats being reflected you or your dino end up being reflected

Which is why you see a PT's wing being reflected on water when it covers the sky

[heady sundial]

I feel like the amount of time a day thats needed to thrive in Ark should be decreased by a lot. So that people with a
normal life can also enjoy the game and not only people with unlimited time (in pvp servers)

A way to achieve that imo should be that 'raiding' a lower tier base should be harder, and less interesting so that those players could be left alone to progress and not just wiped for no reason

[lavish sparrow]

I kinda disagree with this

decreasing it would mean it would be easier to get to top tier instantly

it doesnt fix the problem at all

[ancient olive]

it just means the people with no life would have an even easier time

[minor prism]

Personally I think they should stop 70 man tribes an shit 😂 cuz let’s face it if a server maxes out an there is only 3 of you on defending your probably not Guna survive to see your spot the next day with 50 tappys pushing in 😂

[ancient olive]

that i do agree with

thats a massive reason i only play small tribes

[minor prism]

I’m still on official but I defo don’t like when we get a shit ton of ppl outside you just physically can’t fight it all it’s impossible with low numbers 😂

Maybe resources can be based on how many tribe members you have dunno how that will work like 😂 but for e.g boosted rates for different sized tribes 1x rates for megas 😂 make them work hard for ther shit

Old legacy rates for megas it should be ngl 😂

Discourage mega thribing as a whole somehow 😂

[chilly osprey]

Maybe make the aratai more aggressive towards larger tribes.

[rustic oxide]

😂

[minor prism]

Then mfs be crying then huh 😂 just like I was when my 100 turret Skelly dropped 😂 aww man I was pissed ngl

[rustic oxide]

😂

[rare heart]

Id imagine certain number of structures = the more intense aratai raids become

[minor prism]

Man be careful not to restrict ourselfs in the process tho because I’m a 3 man at most and 2 bases are a must for me because u always need a fail safe and fall back

Plus Tp locations

[lapis ore]

I know this is maybe a little too rust. I would hope they would add Vending machines to making trading easier. I kind of wish they would add Vending machines to ark 1. a normal vending and a Tek Vending Machine. with the Tek Vending just having the option to link to Dedi-storages. they would also charge cryopods. so people could trade tames in cryos. or cryo equivalent make the vending work similar to rust vending's they would have 10 listings. tek would have 50 listings. you would only be able to sell one tame at a time. but as long as the resources/space will allow to make multiple orders. The Tek Vending would also be able to pull from Dedi-storage.

[minor prism]

What are u on man?

Pve official small tribes

[lapis ore]

the Tek Tier Vending could be replaced for a Ark2 Equivalent because no tek in ark2

[minor prism]

No seriously I’m tryna help u here bro 😂 if you are on pvp or small tribes I can send u a link to a trading discord that doesn’t scam u if you pick a reputable seller

The sellers are based on roles from 1 well done trade to 100

[lapis ore]

I am on A PVE trade theres hardly any scammer

[minor prism]

Fat rip for u lol

Oh u got one u said my bad

[lapis ore]

I play on PVe i mean

[minor prism]

Yh the trading issue is not the problem man for me personally I do fine with it

[lapis ore]

I am just thinking a more automated way of trading so people can buy things while your away

Because if I wanted to setup a shop on another server I would have have them PM me and I think that maybe kind annoying

[minor prism]

Yh it does sound good but I kinda think your taking a major part of ark out because ppl won’t be sticking there newest top stat for example in a vending machine bro Yano 😂

Imagine your machine gets clapped now someone got a free top stat

[lapis ore]

ya

Its bad for PVP I was thinking more for PVE

[minor prism]

Fr sounds good for u guys man I thought u guys would’ve had atleast a discord setup with all legit traders in it or atleast an equivalent to it

[lapis ore]

I would have thought if some sort of technology that would replace maybe add a type of Trade Terminal which act like a type of in game eBay where you buy and sell from your base. with In game Resources.

it would be safer but not shore if it would be a remotely good thing

[minor prism]

Realistically bro they maybe should do something like that if they want ark players to stop making actual money from ark I guess

Atleast they can monitor trades but I doubt it would stop it anyway 😂

[lapis ore]

Its a better idea than me asking for the ability to build laggy and potentially server crashing factories

not really cause of under the table trades

[blissful perch]

Most MMO games have a player run market. Don’t see why ark 2 can’t have that if it wants to be an MMO

[lapis ore]

really wish ark1 had a player ran market

Specially if it listings from all the servers in the cluster

so i could do something like sell something to my buddy on 916 from 1373 with no problems.

it would also be fun if you don't know how much something is worth you could post auctions

[blissful perch]

I think it would work much better if spoilage timers were off while items were in the market and tames could be sold…even better still if there were more resources to get such that it would be difficult for a single player to farm them all “infinitely”

[lapis ore]

I wish that ark had a type of Copy Paste for tribes for example if you started a tribe one server setup custom ranks and such could go from our server to another and have a option to copy and paste your tribe in another server.

and please have a list of all the tribes on the server.

[blissful perch]

I feel like tribes should exist on the official network and you should remain in one tribe across all of official

Map based tribes imo creates extra headache and allows for people pose as other groups a bit too easily

[rare heart]

Why would there be vending machines in ark?

[tropic crag]

This in conjunction with tribes being per character instead of per server and having a limit to how many characters you can have would work fuckin wonders, I've said it before and will keep saying it

[tropic crag]

Or this, alternatively lol

[south lance]

imagine fuck all massive 1000x1000 server that everyone plays on

[tropic crag]

🤮

[south lance]

itd be epic

[tropic crag]

I would unalive myself

Sounds horrid

[south lance]

literally the size of texas

or wait no

alaska

bigger still actually

or wait no i was looking at mi2 not km2

its about 1 alaska - 1 texas

honestly would be epic though

finally get all those top 10 biggest maps people to put ark at its deserved place instead of some garbage like gta

[pastel sorrel]

Hi WC if you read this please add a structure stability feature like 7d2d has. If something does not have proper foundation support it all crumbles. Will solve quite a few issues

[rare heart]

The lag would be unreal

[blissful perch]

It would make sense for an MMO tho lol. Probably instanced biomes or separate servers for each one like a normal mmo tho, which I’m sure would garner salt

But then again I’m kinda not down to play ark as an MMO. I really prefer it as a low pop survival game

[nimble elm]

So does Ark 2 have any foreseeable release date?

[fallow niche]

Just 2023.

[rare heart]

Its already in that style “kinda”

Already a number based game

Its really a survival mmo

[blissful perch]

Ark 1 is trying to juggle a butt ton of genres at once

[rare heart]

Ye

[blissful perch]

Rpg, survival, mmo, sandbox…it’s probably too many

If they disabled transfers the MMO would instantly go away, but other issues would instantly arise

[rare heart]

Ark 2 could be anything

As long as you can tame dinos its still ark

[blissful perch]

Ark 2 IS a survival sandbox PvP game as the steam page says. But yes the ark series is defined by taming, not genre 😊

I’m glad you see it the way I do lol, I’ve had a lot of arguments with folks about what I see as the true simple core of ark

[rare heart]

I would take a gander and say it still has rpg elements

Literally that is the ONLY thing that defines ark

Riding dinosaurs

[blissful perch]

The knowledge system seems to indicate the RPG is being enhanced, so I agree

[nimble elm]

Sadly I have played religiously since 2016 and have literally logged over 9000 hours. I have a problem. I need Ark 2. Sad that I'll have to buy an Xbox to play it though.

[blissful perch]

I hope for your sake you find something else to do if you can 🙏. 9000 hours is a lot of time to devote to gaming, unless I suppose you’re always afk

[rare heart]

Ye hopefully this game is actually optimized

Really dont want to have to build a new pc for all these new games

[stray elm]

[rare heart]

Like this and avatar

I can run ark on high with 60+

[blissful perch]

That Master’s of Pandora game looks sick ngl. Hoping my 2080 won’t combust with that and ark 2

[rare heart]

Ye

Rlly hoping this isnt just ark 1 with a shader

And avatar is just a far cry skin

[blissful perch]

You think so? It looks like it has a sort of taming system. Which I guess far cry primal did

[rare heart]

What i mean is

I want a TRUE open world game where the only objective of the entire game isnt to simply blow up human based 50 times

Like id rather have something in between horizon and far cry primal

Other than just another far cry game

Because guess who is making the avatar game 💀

Ubisoft

[tropic crag]

I can assure you it's not going to be a Farcry copy/paste. That's not how it works lmao

[feral crystal]

Will we be able to play Ark 2 offline?

[stray elm]

Don't see why not.

[lime forge]

Ark 2 is obviously gonna be a turn based strategy game.

[long aurora]

Do you reckon I can use a Carno in lower south cave.

If so what health do you think I should have this one ended up as 209 tamed at 140.

Ascendent saddle 101.1 armour.

[untold ingot]

On the island?

[long aurora]

Yep.

[untold ingot]

Well, probably for the future ask in bobs with probs, but you can probably run any cave except swamp and ice with that

[long aurora]

I looked at it from wiki and it said "
Cannot enter final room." is that where the artifact is?

[long aurora]

Bobs with probs?

Oh #bobs-with-probs

[untold ingot]

Yeah, it's the help section for questions like that 👍

[long aurora]

Oh I didn't realise I was still in ark 2 woops 🤣

I thought I was in #pve-discussion but in future I will use #bobs-with-probs

[manic kettle]

Ark 2 is gunna be asss look at how they manage the current game 😂 god mode hackers aimbot ext on every server

Having a base in official is pointless atm , dedi servers manage their servers better than the actual team

Everyone continue leaving bad reviews on steam

[stray elm]

Nah, no thanks

[manic kettle]

Ahh must play pve

[stray elm]

Nah, i just don't give a fuck enough to care to give a bad review.

[blissful perch]

I agree. Hope WC either fixes this issue or drops official

[manic kettle]

True it just helps , after hods video there’s been a flood of bad reviews witch led them to remove railgun from pvp and make other changes

I disagree @vital jetty before transfers there was no mega tribes that owned majority of servers you only had to worry about your servers alpha

[blissful perch]

I’m aware. But that’s how you start to throw out the MMO i find to be unenjoyable. You’ll have to compensate for the issues that arise from that choice

[manic kettle]

Could just get a few buddies and build

Now it’s impossible

Was@t that bad for us in vanilla lol maybe 10 man tribes max

Remember it being super fun

Nope 651 center no one had that many and there was a lot of servers like that

I’m sure there was some that were ass

Explain tame server lol that just mean no tribes with a crazy amount of people?

[tropic crag]

Tame as in chill

[manic kettle]

True still had a lot of fighting but never got crazy outnumbered

But still they need to add a wipe cycle to official and clean up the cheating

Literally watched a vid of someone in god mode just standing there soaking a deathwall

[tropic crag]

Wipes would certainly help with the cheaters, that's for sure

[manic kettle]

Would also help with the mega tribes that just sell Dino’s and structures for real money

[blissful perch]

Wipes would help many issues ark has

[manic kettle]

Reseting there lines ect

[blissful perch]

Stale endgame only gameplay, over established tribes, gatekeeping, maps clogged with unoccupied bases…