ark-2

[stray elm]

Why not just call them 'Trikes' for short?

[mellow wadi]

True but maybe on explorer notes or smth they have info on that.

[stray elm]

They do.

They give you the scientific names for each creature in the dossiers.

[ripe marsh]

Ngl what ark is doing is for the best. Most modern animals have common names, dinosaurs do not unfortunately. So actually giving them common names is nice I would think

[stray elm]

True

[mellow wadi]

Ppl spend soooo many hours on ark, and some lose out on education so if they could maybe get some history into it would be okay. But it’s a game so idk

[stray elm]

No one that isn't in a specific field calls a Lion 'Panthera leo' unironically

[mellow wadi]

lmao

[mellow wadi]

yeah.

[stray elm]

That....100% is a personal issue

If you're spending more time on a game then education, then that's on you

[mellow wadi]

Yeah true

Alr, I ain’t arguing this case cuz I lost HARD lmfao

[stray elm]

A worthy try.

[mellow wadi]

lmao

Bro is ark 2 going to have npcs????

Like the daughter, is that an npc or what? Is ark 2 gonna be like a story mode where sometimes it would let u do something because u have to do what it says

[south lance]

ye

confirmed info is on steam page

its like 200 words max

[mellow wadi]

yes to the first one, second one or both?

bruhhhhhh it’s gonna be like a story mode game

is it gonna be playable solo and multiplayer

Sry for the questions xd

[south lance]

probably will be both playable on solo and multi

[fair prism]

monthly drop in to say I want to preorder ARK II so bad

[mellow wadi]

bro gonna be buying a $5k pc for Ark II XDDD with a 3090ti and all LMFA0

me be like^^^🤫

Hopefully u can like get some of the npcs to farm or smth for u. But u can’t afk farm with them for too long so they aren’t an insane afk farm

[lime forge]

I’d rather the ability to trade with the NPCs. Perhaps even an in game currency

[mellow wadi]

yeah. Except buying in game currency with actual money would completely ruin the game

[stray elm]

Yeah.

But we don't know if they're stationary NPC's (like characters in Destiny) or if you'll be able to have your own NPC teammates.

[mellow wadi]

Alr

[stray elm]

Either way, i'm up for it

[mellow wadi]

yeah

But I don’t want it like yk how Ark mobile is with quests or whatever

like the only thing u can do is the quest, u can’t do anything else unless u cancel it

and then if u cancel you’ll need to redo it all

[stray elm]

I doubt it'll be that heavy.

[mellow wadi]

yeah

[stray elm]

Personally, i think it'll just be a more indepth version of what Genesis-2 did

Basically optional missions that give rewards, but are 100% optional and aren't required to do.

[soft steppe]

You kinda need to do them to progress the story though

[stray elm]

The story is optional, though.

No different then needing to get all of the boss heads on The Island to do the Overseer.

[soft steppe]

Optional but kinda really the driving force of playing

Why breed top stat dinos other than completing bosses / missions

[stray elm]

The driving force of ARK is more or less what you want it to be, since it's a sandbox.

[stray elm]

PvP

Or just for the color mutations.

[lime forge]

Is there any confirmed statements saying it’s optional and not connected to advancement in anyway?

[stray elm]

No, cause we're just theorizing how the tasks in ARK-2 will be.

Cause it's kind of confirmed more or less that tasks/missions/quests are coming back

"knowledge points by accomplishing key objectives and overcoming unique challenges"

[fast isle]

I wanna know what the map traversal gonna be like

I really want a huge map tbh

Not just 30 different maps

And I hope they don’t add p2w maps like now with gen 2

[untold ingot]

I wanna say there was an announcement that it will be pretty new

[grim copper]

Fuck ark 2 dont buy the game if the devs working on ark2 are same as ark1 its gonna be bug with a little bit of game its gonna be most fucked up game

They cant even fix spoofing bug the most simple thing is portrcting the safty of player privacy and they cant do anything about it

[fast isle]

Yeah the more features you have the more bugs you experience and the work ethic of wild card with fixing bugs is atrocious so I think the game will be good but completely destroyed by bugs, pay to win and meta unless they really come through with the new combat system avoiding meta bobs

[grim copper]

Its gonna be fucked up if it doesn't have meta

And combat system is good

For like 30 hour play

Not for a life time gameplay

If they do combat system they gonna loose 99% of pvp player

Its gonna be like game like connan exile and new world and elden ring its the perfect game to buy and play for a short time but they will be dead withing 6 month like all other game with this system died already

[blissful perch]

Oh how sad! A game was fun but didn’t provide endless hours of wasteful grinding 😭

[split dove]

i also bet they don't know ark 1 was made by unexperienced devs that didn't think it would take off as much as it did on a bad version of unreal 4

[tropic crag]

What's with all the clowns lately? Did some youtuber badmouth Ark 2, drop the link to the discord, and demand that their sheep come here and troll us? Like wtf

[split dove]

speaking of youtubers influencing, nooblets really thinks 90% of his fanbase means 90% of ark as a whole won't like ark 2 3rd person only

[tropic crag]

I've already said my piece on Nooblets, not a lot to add tbh 😅

Every person who comes here from him or any other influencer who held a poll and stated their side (or made it glaringly obvious) is usually citing the poll results within minutes, as if that is the entire fanbase, as you said

[split dove]

that ain't even 1% of the whole playerbase combined with some those polls

[tropic crag]

For sure, most of the polls are less than 10k participants, even

[split dove]

as bluestone said, the steam description uses mostly buzz words to attract interest and describe what the changes will be like

[fallow niche]

Everyone is going to have their own opinions about it. Some of us are just going to wait longer than others (like idk, playing the game for a bit) before voicing.

[tropic crag]

Agreed

[split dove]

can't really have a opinion about a game based on a steam page description without gameplay yet

[tropic crag]

At least let some gameplay come out, bare minimum to have an opinion imo

[fallow niche]

Never understand "oh games bad" when it's not even released, so you don't know, no matter how the previous game, that most of us have played for years, was.

[split dove]

i feel like we will have some soon

[fallow niche]

Hoping for extra life news

[tropic crag]

Perhaps... many surprising things being shown at Gamescom already, who knows what PAX West holds (the bigger of the two, imo)

[fallow niche]

I forgot about pax west

They might share some stuff there too

Since they're actually participating in it, not the game thing where the 2 second trailer for ue5 was lmao

[tropic crag]

🤞

Here's hoping

[split dove]

our souls were crushed that day

[fallow niche]

Too many tried to hype it

[blissful perch]

I kept telling people not to hype for it lmao

[split dove]

a lesson a few learned from

[tropic crag]

I don't remember if I even watched the UE5 thing, to be frank. Didn't expect anything there since I knew it wasn't going to be shown lol

[blissful perch]

some people learned from

[split dove]

common mistake with this community my bad 🧐

[blissful perch]

But in seriousness it’s very easy to screw up statistics. Ark’s playerbase are not statisticians or even folks who are exceptionally educated. I don’t blame people for bringing stats they see elsewhere as evidence. It at least shows they read something and understood the value of evidence

[untold ingot]

There is a lot of value to statistics, but only as far as the population of the polls is representative of the general population lol. If there were a poll done on this discord with like 10k people chiming in I would be much more likely to believe its results than I would any youtuber's poll

[blissful perch]

100% true statements. But i don’t blame people for not knowing that

[untold ingot]

I mean, I am no statistics genius, but unless it is handled very rigorously statistics is worth less than the letters used to describe it

[lime forge]

Ark 2. In game currency. Yay or nay?

[blissful perch]

What I do blame people for is their attitude. If you’re gonna come into a chat, be respectful and type something that can add to a discussion

[untold ingot]

I feel like this depends entirely on how human-like npcs are handled in the game

[lime forge]

Would you like to see vendors and crafters you can either purchase or trade for goods with?

[blissful perch]

I should mention some folks here take “respectful” to mean “WC supportive”. Want to clarify that’s not the case and that I find white knighting irksome XD

[tropic crag]

If someone comes in here specifically to state that a poll proves their point and didn't look up the rough total amount of Ark players and compare the numbers (at least the SteamDB results, like I'll throw you the bone there) then they lose all conversational merit. Just my view on it

[blissful perch]

Idk, depends on how rude they are XD

[lime forge]

Personally I wouldn’t mind to see it. One of the things I would like to see in Ark 2 that differs from Ark 1 is something to do with the massive hoards of tames and items that accumulate over time and take up storage while they collect dust.

[tropic crag]

Selling tames to NPCs? Is that what you're hinting at? Because I love the idea

[lime forge]

Yes.

[blissful perch]

1.) we had ingame currency -> hexagons. Discuss from there
2.) tame excess could be dealt with by either giving tames “tasks” or having dino storage…or even something akin to the S+ vivarium

[lime forge]

Or even trading

[minor prism]

So already they’ve started denying ther own game description is what your saying 😂

[blissful perch]

He’s saying that the actual gameplay may vary from what you imagine based on the description alone

(I got this Bruising, you can rest 😊)

[minor prism]

Man I hope so ngl 😂 again just my opinion though I know people are hyped

[blissful perch]

No shame in an opinion 😆. I know a lot of folks are a bit worried ark 2 won’t be as fun for them as ark 1 was

[lime forge]

Another thing I thought could be cool, that would even give relevance to tames that are underused or just out right ignored was a matched based system that you que into with just you, your gear, and a tame of a specific size. It could be pvp or PvE and you attempt to battle your way to the top. Earning rewards along the way.

[minor prism]

Seems to be the case, hopefully they can pull it out the bag and shock us all lol

[blissful perch]

I thought of gladiator style fit pits as a cool post game thing to do

[tropic crag]

I think there should be a way for everyone to play how they want to and still get ahead, and if I'm a tamer/breeder and not a BP farmer, builder, etc., I should have the ability to turn my niche into a way to get those other things that I don't prefer to do. The fact that all the engrams (at least in the first game, who knows with 2) aren't learnable by a single person comes to mind (and yes, I know you now can learn them all with the hexagon shop and the ascensions, but my point is the same.) In response to in-game currency/trading in general with NPCs. I do see the issue with such a system though, at the same time, so it would have to be veeeeeeerrrrry carefully tested and balanced, as all things will, obviously lol

[blissful perch]

And the cost of a loss is whatever you brought, so it’s not nearly as miserable as a full wipe

[blissful perch]

Again, your thoughts on hexagons matter here

[tropic crag]

I like this too, maybe have it be a mission given by an NPC and it rotates the dinos you can use on a timer?

[lime forge]

I completely agree. My favorite part of Ark 1 was breeding, it would be really cool if I could breed powerful tames and then trade them for resources to build and expand.

[untold ingot]

I just dont want ark2 to devolve and be too much like a standard quest/mission oriented gamestyle

[chilly osprey]

There'd have to something so you can't just pump out well-bred tames on repeat with a huge amount of breeders and get easy resources for an investment.

[untold ingot]

Hexagons worked for genesis, because of the lore idea encouraging that. It wouldnt work so well on an alien planet I think

[tropic crag]

I liked em, not too bad, not too great. Just middle of the field kinda feel. Had to grind the shit out of them, though, to get those engram points they added with Gen 2 (even moreso on the grind once they patched them to be taken from you per purchase and not just how they were on release, which I thought and hoped was intended...)

[lime forge]

I would prefer if it were more like a gladiator type thing. With different divisions, separated by size and weight, mounted and unmounted and specific tames.

[lime forge]

I didn’t mind hexagons but I did not like the way we had to farm them. I’d much prefer a currency that I could obtain by playing to my strengths and specific interests.

[tropic crag]

Ok, so all weight classes and fight types are available at all times? That's fine. I just thought a timer to switch out the dinos would artificially extend playtime, so you'd have to come back and check to see if the dino type you want to enter is on the list

[lime forge]

A division that rotated eligible tames would actually be cool. And it would incentive to have a more diverse roster at any given time.

[tropic crag]

Maybe 5 or so different variants of said mission are offered at a time? With the timer style ones

[blissful perch]

I’d love that idea. You could also have it work across PvE and PvP (if those modes don’t have larger differences)

[tropic crag]

And maybe there could be similar enough variants that you can use the same tame for both, say an anky fight on foot, then an anky fight mounted, and finally anky fight with player commands, like a chicken fight 😂

[blissful perch]

It would be cool to also force equipment loadouts kinda like MHW arena quests

[tropic crag]

Oh for sure, like forced saddle variants for all tames to keep it fair

[blissful perch]

So you and an opponent queue into “the pits” and you’re given a choice of 1/3 tames and 1/3 equipment/gear loadouts. Winner gets a special (insert loot here)

[tropic crag]

I like the sound of that

[untold ingot]

That could be a cool way to add some pvp to singleplayer games or to pve

[blissful perch]

Sadly it won’t happen. But it would be pretty cool

[tropic crag]

I'd be fine if this was even a singular mode that could be accessed from the main menu as well as a mission/quest in-server

[untold ingot]

I do see it as unlikely, but it would be pretty cool

[lime forge]

The direction they’re heading with combat it wouldn’t surprise me if they had something similar at least.

[blissful perch]

That’s a pretty major departure from sandbox

[lime forge]

It doesn’t have to be.

[blissful perch]

You can see in minecraft. The base game is nothing like something like say the big bedwars servers

This idea of “the pits” is more the latter: something entirely novel to ark as a series and not really synonymous with the open ended sandbox the game has been

[lime forge]

It doesn’t need to take away anything from the sandbox aspects of the game. It really wouldn’t be much different from the genesis missions.

[blissful perch]

It’s not taking away: I’m just saying it’s a departure from what it seems WC wants to be making

[lime forge]

Just something else to do when you’re tired of building, farming, breeding, and taming.

[tropic crag]

As are missions, but they did those, jus sayin...

[blissful perch]

The missions are definitely more structured. But that’s not the same as a queue system for a structured minigame mode

[lime forge]

Idk I’ve said from the beginning I’d like to see more rpg aspects integrated into the game. So long as it maintains the open world sandbox gameplay as well.

[tropic crag]

Well, the queue would only be for the PvP-esque portion, since it would need to find another player on a server somewhere that wants to do the same fight you do

The you vs ai part it could start asap

[lime forge]

You guys think breeding is gonna get major changes?

[blissful perch]

Ah that’s true, if there’s AI that’s less problematic. But that’s a lot of work to make a fight ring ai unless they can swing Aratai ai into it

[blissful perch]

God I hope so. Lower timers, gutting the mutation system, improving imprints…there’s a lot to improve

[tropic crag]

Well, the ai would be the same as the rest of the game lol. Dinos keep theirs, Aratai/humans keep theirs

[lime forge]

I’d like to see breeding for better lines stick around but personally I think any real power should come from in depth, hands on training.

[blissful perch]

Hopefully in an arena that isn’t just free loot farming is my point lol

[lime forge]

No more just waiting on timers.

[split dove]

bad egg - wait time for new = 5 hours

[lime forge]

I think actual clutches should be implemented.

[tropic crag]

Well yeah, ramp up the stats or something, or make it a harder version of the ai if that's applicable (if there's variable ai per creature, which I can see honestly with how they spoke on ai in the store page)

[lime forge]

Maybe not for every breed but very few breeds of wildlife only lay and hatch a single egg at a time.

[tropic crag]

Yep, that's one thing I've been pissed about from the start

[blissful perch]

If mutation stacking is removed clutches seem far more fair

[tropic crag]

That could help with realism and the idea of some of them being just bad eggs that don't hatch or have bad genes (stats) when stolen from the wild

[untold ingot]

If egg clutches are a thing, I could definitely see oviraptors getting a buff wild so that they steal players eggs

[tropic crag]

They should've done that from the get go, to be fair

[blissful perch]

I wouldn’t mind roosting or nesting as well

Could be cool to require a nest structure to place eggs rather than just yeeting them on the floor

[tropic crag]

So many examples of prime oviraptor behavior in media, and... they don't even steal the random eggs dropped on the ground, by wild dodos. Or even get aggressive when attacked 🙄

[blissful perch]

Oviraptors are also tiny lol

[tropic crag]

Yeah, less so of a gripe from me there, but fair enough

[blissful perch]

Their size makes them seem meek. But afaik they were colonial and very protective of their young

[split dove]

30 standing torches go brrrr

[blissful perch]

The name I believe is actually people confusing them for thieves when they were actually just raising their own eggs in large grouped nests

[tropic crag]

There was remains of one with an egg of another species in it's talons, was there not? Could be getting it confused, but I coulda sworn

[blissful perch]

I don’t remember. But I do know that more realistic Oviraptor colonies would be pretty sick

[lime forge]

I’m gonna cry if we don’t get some more info soon

I’m dying here

I got a fever!

And the only prescription is more Ark 2!

[blissful perch]

I dunno I feel pretty good. I’m eager to see more tho hopefully at extra life

[split dove]

that's the best bet for this year, pax west will probably only be about switch and maybe the charcaradontasaurus (or how you spell it)

[blissful perch]

True, we don’t know squat about the charchar

[untold ingot]

I think more realistic behavior on the part of any or all creatures would be pretty awesome

[lime forge]

I just wanna see more so I know whether I should save all my PTO or just go ahead and burn it.

[blissful perch]

I’m just gonna have to wait for the workday and week to end lol

[blissful perch]

I think we’ll see that based on the steam description, but what I also hope to see is more team/collaborate Ai

That’s a tall order tho…I think I’m being unreasonable. But it would be so cool to see pack and herd behavior outside of group aggro. Even cooler to see packs actually fighting each other

[untold ingot]

Once the base herd behavior code is written, it wouldnt be too hard to implement it to everything else

[lime forge]

Nah. I’m taking at least 10 days off for either Ark 2 or the new WoW expansion. Need more Ark 2 info to make my decision though.

[rare heart]

Man i hope they travel in herds actually 💀

Instead of wander in the same place, get smacked, run in opposite directions till they all die

[blissful perch]

I kinda wish I had enough PTO and other things in order to do that lol

[wooden hazel]

WoW expansion helps a shitty corporation

[lime forge]

It’s a good thing I’m buying a game and not moral values then lol

[wooden hazel]

U give money to shitty values tho

[blissful perch]

He’s speaking with his wallet that shitty values can be overcome with a certain caliber of gameplay. Pretty normal to do given most of us do the exact same with our purchases of many things

[tropic crag]

M'kay, let's not have this conversation, eh? Everyone know ActiBlizz sucks

[lime forge]

I don’t care. 90% of everything you buy supports a shitty corporation. Cancel cancel culture.

[lime forge]

… oh

[tropic crag]

whew

How much you were typing, I was SCARED lmao

Well put, though

[wispy sierra]

i mean yeah corporations are...corporations

[lime forge]

I got a 1 year old climbing on me in the mornings she makes it difficult to type sometimes.

[wispy sierra]

but actually i live under a boulder on mars so i'm not supporting any compaines

[blissful perch]

It’s time to train her to gather metal

[tropic crag]

Ahhh, gotcha. My nephews do the same... little boogers hehe

[wispy sierra]

yes yes, capitalize on the younglings

[split dove]

if they don't you can always raise a new one with better stats

[wispy sierra]

yeah kill the old one for EXP while you're at it

[blissful perch]

How many did Santiago kill before he liked the stats

[split dove]

higher lvl for more xp

[wispy sierra]

also the best way to raise a child of course is to leave some raw meat in their pockets, leave for a few days. take it on a 3cm walk, repeat.

[blissful perch]

Actually the best method is to stick it into a pokeball and release until it asks for head pats

[wispy sierra]

put it in the fridge

[split dove]

freeze it for 1 week

[blissful perch]

I’d also cackle so hard if mutation stacking inverted

[wispy sierra]

ark teaching the real life lessons, put your child in the fridge and beat people unconcious to make freinds with them

[blissful perch]

Each mutation is a -2 in a stat

[split dove]

ark teaching us how to make friends

[wispy sierra]

the mutation capped giga has 20 health

[lime forge]

Ive found the best thing to do is just give her string cheese every time she makes excess noise. Pretty sure that’s her real life imprint timer going off.

[blissful perch]

It’s a pretty color tho so worth

[wispy sierra]

what if the colors got progressively more gross/boring with mutations

[blissful perch]

More drab? What about a parabola

[wispy sierra]

like the final giga is just this sad desaturated greyish beige

[blissful perch]

The first few are good, the next few are insanely pretty, the last one is just grey boi

And if you keep pushing it eventually you get the polygons 😎

[wispy sierra]

eventually you get 4 whole pixels of color

[south lance]

Itd be more realistic tbh

[tropic crag]

I like this idea

[wispy sierra]

i want more giant bugs in ark 2

[blissful perch]

Yesss it would be lol

[split dove]

oh great rex sized scorpions

[blissful perch]

Sold. I’ll take them at the named price

[south lance]

1 in 100 chance my baby dino pops with an autoimmune disorder

[wispy sierra]

we have giant bugs but they kinda suck

[tropic crag]

Dude, I wanted that giant freakin bug from the creature vote to win sooooo bad

[wispy sierra]

same

[blissful perch]

Secret disorder that makes a creature have a 1/1000 chance to instantly die when it takes damage

[south lance]

I wanted the giant battle beetle but we got the bat instead

[wispy sierra]

araneo got did dirty

[tropic crag]

I was gonna name him after the pokemon and everything 🥲

[split dove]

f in the chat for the cut hive creature

[south lance]

Just give this to all mutts

[blissful perch]

Oh you mean the amazing water fighter beetle?

[wispy sierra]

it'd be cool to have more hive insects

[south lance]

The beetle that had a 90 mm howitzer

[blissful perch]

I wish they stood a chance compared to “bison” and “trike but bigger” and “Trex part 3”

[south lance]

I thought theyd make the bat cooler looking

[wispy sierra]

where they act more as a debuff than an actual creature

[south lance]

Like i was thinking of something super fast and massive

Like tropeo kinda

But with blood wyvern ability

[blissful perch]

Tropeo is not super fast (wild)

[south lance]

With jetpack ability tho

Replace that with glide or something

[wispy sierra]

i would like to see more dynamic dino animations

the current ones are realistic, but imo they need more pizzaz

[split dove]

Mating animations when?

[south lance]

Give it a super good divebomb thing that allows it to outpace a maewing over small distances

[blissful perch]

Flexible Dinos pls. Having something sit outside my hitbox is total buns lol. Let me back hop or side step or move my neck and twist my body

[wispy sierra]

or at least have some sort of stomp or tail slap to deal with things out of your hitbox

[blissful perch]

Again take inspiration from MH: every part of a monster is dangerous

[south lance]

Thyla should not be able to destroy a titano so easily xd

[blissful perch]

Bleed as a % max hp dot is anus

[wispy sierra]

gotta watch out for anjanath's left kidney man

[blissful perch]

It’s a bandaid solution to have bleed tho when hp stats are so insane

[wispy sierra]

herbivores in general feel very flimsy

[tropic crag]

I read this as "they need more pizzas" and I do not apologize

[wispy sierra]

wild ones

[blissful perch]

Drop hp stats or introduce ways to chew through high hp tanks -> bleed doesn’t need to exist

[wispy sierra]

true tho, they do in fact need more pizzas

[blissful perch]

Theri be like

[wispy sierra]

theri is the exception

[split dove]

certain locations having dmg multipliers as weak areas

[wispy sierra]

but this hulking wooly mammoth gets taken out by 2 direwolves

[blissful perch]

Gonna go ahead and say that ain’t enough given bleed needed to be added to threaten mutation capped hp stats

[south lance]

They can obviously make complex damage regions as evidenced by carbos

[split dove]

that's the reason we want mutations gone or have an actual 20 max cap 💀

[blissful perch]

It’s tough because the game has no real “classes”

[wispy sierra]

also, more realistic flying maybe with gliding and such, maybe some creatures would be good for powered flight while others are more suited for gliding

[blissful perch]

It’s all stat based. Mammoths get no bonus against small carnivores and large carnivores get no bonus against smaller herbivores

[tropic crag]

Bleed is fine, just not percentage based, and minimal at best, like 3-4 hp over 5 seconds is usually the standard with bleed in most games

[blissful perch]

So stegos just clap stuff lol because they have so much hp and resistance

[wispy sierra]

yeah i thought of classes like scout, tank, fighter, pack mule, livestock.

would also make the saddle system less annoying, you can just craft "scout saddle" or "tank saddle"

[blissful perch]

Bleed is either % max hp dot (common when max hp is low or when used by players against PvE) or it’s fixed damage over time. Same as poison tbh, but bleed usually ticks faster. Fixed damage tho punishes you more if your max hp is lower…so I’m not down lol

[lime forge]

Bleed for % of max health dot should only be applied by carnivores that are drastically larger than what they’re biting.

[blissful perch]

It’s just bad period

I’d rather have a 1.2x damage multiplier in that scenario than that sort of bleed dot

[ancient olive]

bleed is just a very funky thing to balance if you want it in a game

[tropic crag]

Ehh, if your max hp is low, then you are the intended suspect, ya know? Or need to increase your bleed resistance, or hp

[wispy sierra]

i'd like to see more ivestock and farming, ark doesn't have much besides ovis and phiomia for livestock

[blissful perch]

It works if you have a system of buffs debuffs and buff nullifying etc. but ark bleed just forces you to eat the damage

[lime forge]

It makes absolute perfect since that a rex biting a raptor would cause the raptor to bleed out

[blissful perch]

An irl rex would just crush the raptor’s bones and kill it. No real bleeding out

[ancient olive]

instant death

[tropic crag]

There'll 100% be buffs and debuffs still, calling it now

[lime forge]

Yeah but how you gonna make that a debuff

[blissful perch]

Like I just said, damage multipliers

[wispy sierra]

"bones broken"

you are dead.

[lime forge]

Mangled- bleeding, broken, can’t move. Losing 15% health per second

[blissful perch]

A rex bite doing a ton of near lethal damage to a raptor makes way more sense than a bleed effect that you have to watch as it slowly maybe kills your tame

If you had any counterplay to bleed it may be ok…but there is none

[ancient olive]

debuff- "Death"
"You are dead 🤷"

[wispy sierra]

buff
not dead
you aren't dead

[tropic crag]

Like I said, games that have bleed have a way to increase resistance to it

[ancient olive]

i quite like this one

[wispy sierra]

i currently have this buff

[ancient olive]

same

[blissful perch]

Or allow complete negation. But ark lacks that and I worry it may not be added

[tropic crag]

Same here

[ancient olive]

i hope

[wispy sierra]

maybe armor can negate it or something, anything for armored creatures honestly

[wispy sierra]

do any of us really have the buff though?

[blissful perch]

If armor is an add on to saddles that costs movement or other stats I’m down

[wispy sierra]

or utility attacjments

like cupholders

[tropic crag]

Anti bleed armor for when you know you're risking that 2-5 DOT lol

[wispy sierra]

i will install seat warmers on my stego

imagine if you could just attach wings to a dino

[ancient olive]

i want my stego to be a convertible.

sure it may not survive that but its fine

[split dove]

a small price to pay for salvation

[wispy sierra]

also, cool ranged creatures, like maybe one with a tail with quills to ground flyers

[tropic crag]

I want my stego to be an '82 Z-type Camaro... wait

[ancient olive]

i want my stego to roll like a doed

[tropic crag]

Is it still a stego if you take it apart and put it back together? Theseus' Ship on you, ber blam

[lime forge]

I want my stego to a 67 impala.

[wispy sierra]

it's much more viollent with you slowly replacing the stego's organs with car parts

[ancient olive]

trojan horse but stego

thats what i want

[wispy sierra]

stego bus

[ancient olive]

like an inside out diplo

[wispy sierra]

maybe like stealth saddles

[lime forge]

I want Shadowmanes!

[wispy sierra]

fibsh kitty

[tropic crag]

Dude. There should be a creature like that. You sit inside it, like a freakin meat mech or a silt strider from Morrowind

[lime forge]

Hands down the best creature wildcard created

[wispy sierra]

maybe like some wierd bug where the legs kinda close around you

bug as in insect

not...game problem

[ancient olive]

roll rat but the saddle is flesh

[wispy sierra]

eugh

no

why

[ancient olive]

why not is the better question

something i want is for saddles to cost something other then the basic fiber wood and hide and the occasional metal (i know in ark one there are a couple exceptions but thats like 3 creatures)

like to make a stego saddle you gotta kill and collect a stegos plates or something

[lime forge]

I’m hoping saddles use the different crafting components they mentioned to get different variants.

[tropic crag]

Every saddle should still have a base material set, but maybe with the material variants we'll see them be different in some way, like maybe herbivores need oak, while carnivores need hickory wood (as a barebones example 😅 )

What @lime forge said, pretty much lol

[lime forge]

And saddle bags. Remove tame inventory and add saddle bags!

[ancient olive]

yeah

[tropic crag]

Yes, having the inventory on dinos be "oh well uhhhh you put it in them, I guess?" will not fly in Ark 2, just my opinion

At the very least, make them have to have a saddle on to carry anything

[ancient olive]

yeah

[lime forge]

Man. Where’s that argy holding 7k pounds of metal?

[ancient olive]

where did that metal go

[wispy sierra]

Yeah that was a good call ngl

[blissful perch]

I’m lookin out for you

[wispy sierra]

I think ark 2 should include cheese. Ark 1 has a very noticeable lack of cheese imo

Really takes away from the gameplay

[tropic crag]

Plenty of meat, a bit of milk, but yeah, no cheese. Never realized I needed it so much but I do now

[wispy sierra]

Wyvern milk cheese. Hmm.

Worth it, those babies can starve, I’m eating the dragon cheese

[tropic crag]

Maewing milk cheese.

[wispy sierra]

With the arrival of cheese, pizza is now in the realm of possiblity

[lime forge]

Cheese?

[wispy sierra]

Yes.

[lime forge]

I hope the devs see this and realize how far we’ve fallen without being fed Ark 2 info

[wispy sierra]

There is also an even more noticeable lack of peanut butter in ark 1

[tropic crag]

Peanut crop when

[wispy sierra]

Yes, we grow ever hungry. The trailer is not enough to sate us, we require MORE

[tropic crag]

Literally, HUNGRY.

Lmao

[wispy sierra]

Can we potentially use dodos as a mixed ranged and melee weapon by using it as a mace and also shooting eggs

[split dove]

dodo basketball attack

[wispy sierra]

Dodo C4 attack

[ripe cedar]

I just want to see the hud

[wispy sierra]

At least we’re still forming sentences. Ark the animated series has gotten so little that they have devolved, nay, EVOLVED to bob cult

[split dove]

[wispy sierra]

Imagine if they reveal a single line of code

[ripe cedar]

Then i wont really care unless it has the name of something we dont know about

[wispy sierra]

And it’s the code that handles dodo pooping

Not even the entire process

[ripe cedar]

well ark 1 just spawns a poop of a the specific size at the poop socket which is different point depending on the creature

[sage creek]

.

[fast isle]

I knew that 🙋‍♂️

[fast isle]

No? The wildcard team do nothing about fixing certain bugs and glitches or even meshing what makes us think they won’t do the same on ark 2

[tropic crag]

You say you know the factoid stated by Flobs, then turn around and say this... should I revoke your gold star? You do know that the bugs and such are a product of said factoid, right?

[lime forge]

He’s 13 man give him a break

I shouldn’t have said this. I’m gonna leave it here though because it’s an accurate representation of my beliefs on the matter.

[tropic crag]

The engine alone is to blame for half (or more) of the issues too, but I digress

[tropic crag]

Well, if that's truly the case, then a discord account takedown is in order if I'm not mistaken... Thought you were serious, and had like James Bond insider info on him or something. I am very gullible.

[blissful perch]

I mean priority wise there is a question mark at some moments

You see the issue (like delphis out ranging turrets) and wonder how that passed QC

[lime forge]

They were supposed to be broken.

[tropic crag]

Well yeah, we've already established that they did little to no quality assurance with Ark 1 and it's numerous DLCs and content drops on many occasions

[blissful perch]

So it’s a valid complaint for people to be concerned of similar QC issues for ark 2

[tropic crag]

That too, it was the last hurrah, after all. I wish they hadn't fixed anything past Gen2, tbh. Let us have the fun

[ripe cedar]

Then why would they nerf them?

[tropic crag]

Because people moaned until they did, lol

[lime forge]

Because people were pissy that they were so powerful

[blissful perch]

I don’t really believe they were supposed to be broken

Sounds a lot like copium tbh lol

The community had made it clear numerous times they didn’t want things to outrange turrets or wildly dominate the meta, but astrodelphis violated both lol. The changes reflect that complaint was voiced and responded to

[lime forge]

People knew they were broken the moment they put a saddle on one. There’s no way the devs didn’t.

The devs just thought people would love it

[blissful perch]

Idk what to tell ya except I can genuinely believe the devs didn’t know. Given the net gun was added too…

[ripe cedar]

Or they just balanced them for the mission a d nothing else lol

[blissful perch]

Insanely believable lol

Devs often don’t have time to test things “in the wild”, they design stuff in a vacuum and then stuff pops up after players get content

[tropic crag]

It sure seemed like it was intentional, right up until stuff got fixed. I don't think they cared much for balancing because it was the last map, why not go out with a bang? But then people moaned about it til they did fix it

[blissful perch]

Given how crummy the community can be, it’s probably pretty tough to get a half decent PT group together to QC to a high caliber

[ripe cedar]

The part of gen 2 i have no idea how it got past qa was the part of the rockwells innards that didnt have a ceiling

[tropic crag]

That was fun, for a time

[lime forge]

Believing that experienced devs created something and just threw it into the game without any kind of test seems kind of silly to me but ok lol

[blissful perch]

That’s what so many things were tho lol

[tropic crag]

I liked the whole outside-looking-in part of that biome, really got my goat (and my drakes, and my wyverns...)

[blissful perch]

looks at exo Mek and net gun

[lime forge]

What did the devs create and when did the devs claim they didn’t test them?

[blissful perch]

The devs created the game and everything in it

[split dove]

the mutation system

[blissful perch]

And no team is gonna publicly announce “yea we didn’t test this lol, whoops XD”

[lime forge]

They knew what they were putting in the game man. They just put it in how they thought it should be done and changed it when the community disagreed.

[tropic crag]

Yeah, pretty much

[ripe cedar]

Or they stopped caring because people will complain either way

[split dove]

knowing this community that option could be viable

[lime forge]

The Ark community is by far the harshest I’ve ever seen.

[split dove]

yup .....

[blissful perch]

You make a game with a toxic PvP environment -> you get toxic players 🤷‍♂️

[tropic crag]

You heard it here first, folks. PvP in Ark is toxic

😏

[blissful perch]

Wait tek railguns are disabled on official PvP? Is that an old change?

[split dove]

you couldn't tame basilisk with simplified chinese as your language? xD

[untold ingot]

I dont believe they are disabled

[ripe cedar]

The railgun aimbot is really bad now

They are

[blissful perch]

Read the pc patch notes channel

[ripe cedar]

The newest patch notes say so

[tropic crag]

They have been for a while now, last I heard...

[untold ingot]

Ooohh, nice. I know a lot of people that will be happy with that

[blissful perch]

Perfect case in point for my argument LOL

A wall hack gun in PvP for however many years before it was finally just cut entirely

I respect WC a great deal for adding stuff that they think is cool and coming up with awesome ideas. I just wish they went through a bit of a final pass for balance/playability

[tropic crag]

I think that the railgun is neat, but shouldn't be able to be shot through the mesh. Trees and bases? Sure. Even most terrain objects, just not the mesh itself

[blissful perch]

But the fact that isn’t possible/hasn’t been tried kinda illuminates my point

[tropic crag]

How in the world to code that would be anybody's guess though, yeah

[blissful perch]

I just hope in ark 2 we see a greater emphasis on player power levels and balance between players and players-world

[ripe cedar]

Shooting through structures is the biggest problem with it right now

[tropic crag]

The mesh is the bigger issue, I assure you

Using it for it's intended purpose of being able to shoot through things is much less of an exploit and more of a people getting buttmad thing lol

[blissful perch]

Not being able to break LOS is kinda booty

[tropic crag]

The only times I've ever seen someone get legitimately pissed (and rightly so) with a tek railgun involved is when it's being shot from somewhere that the defender can't even see without cheating, namely in the mesh

[blissful perch]

Or aim bot 🧠. Seems like a botter’s paradise

[tropic crag]

Well yeah, but again that's not an inherent issue with the railgun lol

It doesn't give you aimbot

[blissful perch]

A gun that shoots through structures is definitely a really bad idea when the game struggles with aim bot issues lol

[lime forge]

So glad to see tek go

[split dove]

return to monkey - Vindiago

[blissful perch]

Monké. Pls correct

[lime forge]

I’m gonna strive to be the most primitive Ark player

[tropic crag]

I guess I can understand that, but it's still not the fault of the railgun, I hope you understand. Just cheating as a whole is the issue there

If people didn't cheat, PvP would be a lot healthier

[blissful perch]

It’s not the railgun’s fault, it’s WC’s for taking a massive risk on a new piece of content that is very easily exploited by cheaters which they already know they struggle with

[lime forge]

People who cheat should be flogged publicly

[lime forge]

I don’t blame wildcard. They shouldn’t have to restrict their creativity because people are garbage and utilize cheats and exploits.

[blissful perch]

They absolutely should restrict what they release so it doesn’t break (not to be confused with shake up metas-> shaking up metas is good) their existing gameplay

[tropic crag]

I don't either, as we've even stated today already, they had no idea the game would end up where it did. And cheaters need to go die in a hole.

[blissful perch]

They knew when the railguns game out tho…

Game was pretty big when extinction dropped, and the cheater space was well known. I wouldn’t have released anything like the railgun myself knowing that

[tropic crag]

Still not their problem, they would've fixed aimbotting if they could, but they couldn't. Also, railgun was Aberration lol

[blissful perch]

Ah you right

[lime forge]

Hard disagree. Imagine dreaming up a game, spending 1000s of hours just learning how to program so that you can create it, then being told you can’t make it how you want because people are gonna cheat. That’s trash man.

[blissful perch]

You’re being told your game has failed because it’s overrun by cheaters

And your choice is to give cheaters a tool to be even more miserable?

[tropic crag]

And this is why Ark 2 should have no official servers. Boom. Problem solved.

[blissful perch]

It’s trash but it’s reality. Lots of games each shit and don’t make it big through no fault of the devs

If you release an MMO style PvP game and can’t manage the cheaters with anti cheat, it’s your job to consider how to reduce the misery other people experience from cheaters in some other way

Otherwise people will say your game is trash and leave. We see folks bitter from this exact issue here all the time. I’m glad the railguns are gone now, it gives me hope for ark 2. Just wish this sort of thing happened sooner

[untold ingot]

The railguns have been removed several times, they get fixed, and then a new cheat comes out

[tropic crag]

Devs should never have to base their game around the worst of their playerbase, that's my take

[blissful perch]

I assume you mean worst as people?

[tropic crag]

Yes, the cheaters and asshats

[blissful perch]

You absolutely have to address them, or they ruin the game for everyone else

It’s not fair, it sucks, but that’s how it kinda always works

[tropic crag]

Address them, sure. Ban the lot of them, but never base how you want to make the game around them. If you do that, then they win

[blissful perch]

It’s hard to survive a review bombing or a massive wave of unmoderated cheaters or a mass of death threats

[tropic crag]

Not really, look at Diablow Immoral, or any other predatory, review bombed game as of late lol

They're all thriving and raking IN the dough

The death threats part usually makes a member or two leave for safety reasons, but doesn't do much more than that afaihs

[eternal wigeon]

Even banning doesn't do much when cheaters have free accounts or $5 accounts,
The enforcement is so poor either way

[tropic crag]

The state of gaming is kinda at a low, imo. Review bombing games doesn't mean shit now, they just pay a couple influencers or something and it's all good again. Cheater run rampant, no matter the genre, franchise, or system. It's all just bad. We should stop playing video games. (/j to the last sentence)

[tropic crag]

It's not the companies fault, they can't account for cheats that are so advanced they are undetectable. I dare you to find an anti-cheat that can detect that new aimbot robot that moves the mouse and intentionally misses and stuff to look real. I'll wait

[eternal wigeon]

Even if your partially correct it still doesn't invalidate the criticism ARK is getting

[eternal wigeon]

I guess you're right, nothing we can do about cheating so as a grand company let's just add new dlcs, an animated series, and a new game instead of try to help the enforcement team

[chrome sun]

#imagineBuyingARK2
@unkempt wing @drowsy ibex

[lime forge]

#waitingforpreorder

[tropic crag]

Yes, actually. Funny you say that.

Yes, this too.

[split dove]

or ea

[tropic crag]

Aaaaaand you lost all speaking power, guh-bye.

[lime forge]

That’s not how you spell literally

[untold ingot]

If your discussion isnt regarding ark2, please take it to a relevant channel like #general or #ark-survival-ascended

[tropic crag]

Licherally bruv

[lime forge]

What? Can’t spell kill either?

[tropic crag]

Mans can't even spell no... poor thing.

@untold ingot Can you just ban him already? Lol

[split dove]

seems you do as you're getting rather butthurt about it

[lime forge]

!purge

[loud star]

Stpaddy#2758

The moderation module has been denied for your role on this server.

[lime forge]

Dang. Still not an admin.

[untold ingot]

Again, if the discussion is not ark2, please move it to general

[split dove]

he was probably dropped early on in his life

[eternal wigeon]

They found out massive game breaking problems they can't simply fix a few years ago and still released payed dlcs? The responses/enforcement from devs give me little hope to look forward to future stuff, but like most I'll wait awhile after ARK 2 releases and see

[lime forge]

Can’t you guys go beg for the devs attention in general chat? We were having a wonderful discussion about Ark 2.

[split dove]

👍🏻

[tropic crag]

For real

[eternal wigeon]

Yeah, at a certain point it pains me to say it, but why have official clusters at all if it can't be enforced properly, people much prefer unoffials along with other reasons

[tropic crag]

The point has been made (I even made it again earlier today) that there doesn't really need to be official servers, so that checks out

Meh, not really.

[eternal wigeon]

Agreed, just make that list 100+ points long

[nimble crypt]

i mean yall should watch the new 1x bng video cuz look at ark their is ppl spoofing into owner in game character to wipe bases since yrs now and they didnt fix it yet

[tropic crag]

The majority of players play unofficial anyways, and it would help development if they didn't have to pay for empty servers that no one plays on

[eternal wigeon]

If ppl ever played offials they know every possible problem with this game compared to playing pve or single

[nimble crypt]

yh

[tropic crag]

Then they also wouldn't have to pay for a new enforcement team lol

[lime forge]

I’d pay a sub if it funded enforcement and stable servers

[tropic crag]

This

[nimble crypt]

i mean atm their is scripts so u can crash every1 in ur render or on win10 ark u can crash whole clusters in seconds

[tropic crag]

Subscriptions for official server access would be the only alternative that I can think of that would be healthy for the game

[tropic crag]

Official PvE has issues too, lmao. Ever heard of pillar spam?

[nimble crypt]

pls just compare a pillar spam issue to all the stuff on pvp bud

their is like 20 different cheats, scripts, dupe methods, mesh methods and character spoofing

[tropic crag]

There is no comparison, it's worse than most of the PvP "stuff" lmao

[lime forge]

This is turning into a Ark 1 rant

[split dove]

as usual

[tropic crag]

Yeah, it always does

[eternal wigeon]

True, but it's possible the future in ark2

[tropic crag]

People like to think Ark 2 is just 1 with extra features lol

[nimble crypt]

yh cuz they cant just bring a new game out when the first 1 is full of exploits and cheats

[lime forge]

It’s because they haven’t given us any new information about Ark 2 to argue about.

[wild token]

Apples to Oranges. It will be interesting to see how Ark2 handles things. The slow down of tech may help some for a while at least.

[lime forge]

They absolutely can. Ark 1 has had its time to shine. We’ve all put thousands and thousands of hours into it despite all its flaws because at its core it really is a great game. But it’s foundations are busted and it’s time for something new.

[nimble crypt]

yh like u said ppl put thousands of hrs into ark and now all of their work is gone cuz wc wont fix shit

[lime forge]

Ark 1 didn’t fail. You guys are just angry.

[wild token]

Ark 1 has clearly been a success as Ark 2 is coming. You don't make a sequel to a flop.

[tropic crag]

Ugh, can we not have clowns in here for 5 minutes?

We get it, you don't like Wildcard because they can't fix bugs that would make them bankrupt, jfc, beat the dea horse some more..

[nimble crypt]

or did u ever loose a whole mega tribe with 300ppl in it just to ppl spoofing into ur character??

[tropic crag]

Was gonna say...

[nimble crypt]

and tell me if u would be mad or not

quick yes or no

[blissful perch]

Answer: officials need more moderation or they need to go

[tropic crag]

I don't play PvP, it's toxic and there's cheaters 😌

[blissful perch]

Don’t offer a gamemode that so clearly makes people miserable

[nimble crypt]

and there is cheaters u bring up tht point and wanna tell me ark 1 is good

[lime forge]

That would unofficially make Ark 2 a single player game.

[blissful perch]

I can’t begin to describe how amusing that logical leap is. You make a shadowmane look bad 😂. If I have no official chess servers but allow peer to peer versus games…is chess now SP?

[tropic crag]

It is, the game is getting a sequel... and a tv show... and plenty of people still play it...

[blissful perch]

This is the precise comments I was referring to when I said cheaters have to be addressed 🤷‍♂️

[nimble crypt]

doesnt mean its good like plenty ppl still play it is cap

compare to something like rust lol

[lime forge]

It would. It would either be single player or played by rules, rates, and server availability that are subject to change based on nothing more than the whims of the people who can afford to run clusters.

[tropic crag]

The SteamDB charts would like to have a word, lol

[lime forge]

You guys should go argue about Ark 1 in general

[wild token]

It took me quite a while to find a community for Empyrion with server rules that I liked. I think the same is true in Ark and likely will be in Ark 2 as well. It would be great it WC enforced things better on Official, but there are so many options that choosing something that is not a good fit seems silly.

[blissful perch]

Agree completely

[fallow niche]

Take it to #general if you'd like to continue to rant about ark 1 pvp, or bring it into and ark 2 conversation about how they could improve etc.

[stray elm]

[tropic crag]

[blissful perch]

I should ask: you mean to say that no officials is ok because unofficial can vary so much and offer so many experiences you likely won’t feel forced to take a bad one?

[lime forge]

I hope they bring all their fantasy creatures to Ark 2. I want the rock drake, shadowmane, and

Well that’s it actually

[tropic crag]

Reaper, 100%

[lime forge]

Reapers are cool too.

[tropic crag]

Moreso than the drake or manes for me

[blissful perch]

Reapers kinda meh lol, too much of a concept grab of alien for me. I’m more into the truly unique WC creatures

[wild token]

Not at all. I happily play Ark on Official. I will probably go to PVP Official as my primary play environment in Ark 2. I don't get mad at known issues. I know what I am buying into with my time wasters. If I find a non-official that pleases me, I might do that instead. My point is that there are so many options that raging at any one is a waste of time.

[lime forge]

Megachelon would be welcome as well. Love the concept of building on a giant turtles back. But dear god change the taming method.

[stray elm]

Please, redesign them if they're returning.

I hate their human teeth.

[lime forge]

….

[stray elm]

Never noticed they have human teeth?

[lime forge]

This guys got a point can we just get the megachelon remade?

Just a nice, giant snapping turtle with a flat top shell.

[stray elm]

They are my most hated creature, purely cause of their teeth.
Of they can look more like ancient turtles with 4 eyes, i'd be down with that.
Not a fucking 4-eyed version of the live action TMNT turtle-bros.

[lime forge]

I just hate their taming method. I can get around the ugly mug. But if we’re making changes then we shouldn’t half ass it.

[fallow niche]

In ark2

[stray elm]

The taming is hell also.
But if i'm going to have the fucker as a base, said fucker needs to look decent.
Not an abomination.

[stray elm]

'Yes, that's what we're talking about'

[lime forge]

And this time we’re not lying

[stray elm]

.....we're not '100%' lying

[fallow niche]

Just a remind hence my blob

[stray elm]

Talking about blobs.
I unironically want a tamable living-slime in ARK-2

[fallow niche]

YES.

[tropic crag]

Same here

[stray elm]

Best part is.
'they exist in real life'

[fallow niche]

The blob from treasure planet

Bring that to ark2

[stray elm]

Oh, well i was more thinking of a blob from 'The Blob' movie.

Something that is slow as fuck, but consumes everything in its way.

[lime forge]

So I’ve secretly been worried they’re gonna remove tribe creation from the game and just make us all a part of Vins tribe.

It’s probably alright though. I’m sure he will take get care of us

[tropic crag]

Well, talk is slowing down, I'm gonna dip before the clowns come out again and I get stuck reacting to them. Also, that is an unreasonably unfounded fear, don't worry, I can guarantee we will still be able to make our own tribes. Anywho, deuces for now peeps 🖖

[stray elm]

Nah, they already confirmed otherwise

In the SurvivetheARK post about ARK-2, they stated 'create your own tribe' or something like that.

[lime forge]

See ya man

[rare heart]

Wouldnt really be fun otherwise if it was just perma pve

[stray elm]

But yeah, i'd 100% be down with a big-boi, alien version, of a slime mold.

[lime forge]

I just want my giant turtle. And to get it I wanna either dig an egg up on the beach, swoop in like a seagul and snatch a baby after it hatches and before it gets to water, or swim to the depths of the sea.

Not swim around in shark infested waters being target by a school of fish and hoping this turtle doesn’t just drop back to 0 percent taming.

[stray elm]

I'm just looking forward to ARK-2 being early-access, and hopefully them having creature-votes to add in.
Since ARK-2 is on a alien planet. Really anything can go/be added.

[lime forge]

Turtle eggs hatching would be a cool dynamic event.

[stray elm]

True!

[lime forge]

Just out there with a club wacking birds to protect the babies

[stray elm]

We are getting dynamic events, so that'd be a good way to tame turtles.

Find a turtle cluster, and steal as much babies before they get eaten by seagulls.

[lime forge]

Seeing things like that little plant creature in the trailer really gives me hope that they’re gonna have some amazing new creatures.

[stray elm]

Yeah

[blissful perch]

Mission idea right there, bird bonking

[stray elm]

'Collect x-amounts of baby turtles before they get eaten, and each milestone you get rewarded better and better stuff.'

It'd be interesting if we get rewarded creature-eggs for completing alpha-based missions.

[lime forge]

Do you guys think we will be able to start dedi servers on launch?

[stray elm]

Doubtful.

Both genesis-maps don't have the option for dedicated servers.

[lime forge]

I have both genesis servers in my cluster

[blissful perch]

Or just higher level eggs. Give a level 0-50 for gamma, 50-100 for beta, 100-150 for alpha or something

[stray elm]

True, true

[ancient olive]

i think a creature that could only be gotten by that method would be cool

[stray elm]

True, makes missions a bit more useful.

'cough' 'cough' (saving a small group of aratai's, and one of them deciding to join you in your bloodthirsty cause) 'cough' 'cough'

[split dove]

''wake the frick up aratai, we got a village to burn''

[stray elm]

Now i'm just imagining Vindiago saying this. xD

[split dove]

[past wind]

If they really go this way, the PVE (the pvp also maybe) will get more possibilities to be played.

I mean, imagine Aratai NPCs attacking your base/village. Would be awesome

[stray elm]

Just imagine.
'You're an Aratai, nearly dead and blood all over you. Not sure if it's your own or someone else's.
You look around after waking up, and you're in a field full of dead bodies and garbage, you hear creatures off in a distance.
Suddenly, you hear walking besides you, and you see Vindiago.
He kneels down next to you, and says'
"Wake the fuck up purple-man. We got a village to burn"

ARKPunk 2077

[stray elm]

That's the idea, i believe.

[past wind]

About that, I hope to see more dinosaurs at the beginning. It would feel “home” 😂

[split dove]

after that they add more abominations local to Arat 😂

[past wind]

Sure, in future DLCs. But I like my dinosaur game. I want my dinos running on UE5😂

[stray elm]

Like the slime-molds.

[split dove]

slime creatures with stone daggers

[stray elm]

No.
Just slime

Slime that consumes all.

It knows no mercy, it knows no pain.
It only thinks 'food' and it will make food out of you, if it wants to.

[past wind]

Do you think we will see more water environments?

Would be nice to have bigger boats, submarines etc (like atlas).

[split dove]

i'd say up to rafts for the early part of it's life cycle

[past wind]

I’m hoping to see the water environments getting more importance on Ark II

[split dove]

how are we gonna stay down there long enough without something like diplocaulus or some magic arat plant?

that will probably be the only way without another niche creature

[past wind]

There are primitive scubas

[south lance]

just get a bag full of air

[past wind]

I don’t know the name of them, but I’m talking about those “diving bells” that are ancient

Now I see it. Poor use of words on my part. 😂

[rare heart]

Im hoping we get brachios instead of brontos

[south lance]

I believe we are

Check announcement trailer near the end

I think theres definitely the upright bulky necked brachios present there as compared to the more slender necked brontos

They look very small cause they are in the distance

[rare heart]

Oh

Yeah very brachi like

I think

I mean i guess but i dont see the point

idk i just dislike ark sauropods

they all stinky

ark additions brachi is the only one that counts

[manic bluff]

if they implement a fighting system comparable to conan rip ark pvp ... pve bobs you can have it, here you go

[sinful ermine]

Thank goodness no more pointless toxicity. Maybe you can go find a game that was actually designed to facilitate PvP instead. 😄

[sinful ermine]

It's not that they /should/ just that I wouldn't mind if they did. I honestly don't understand why anyone who wants PvP need look any further than Hunt: Showdown. It is literally the best PvP title currently on the market.

That’s an interesting question. Particularly because attempting to balance a game around two drastically different playstyles is a high wire act I wouldn’t expect anyone to make it through unscathed.

[bright gust]

a simple fix would be have pvp and pve servers like currently, but with different changes/ balances so they don't make a pve tame op in pvp ect

[sinful ermine]

People have been saying that for ages

But it’s never been done

I wonder why

[bright gust]

have devs with both pve and pvp knowledge that know how to actually balance it

[past wind]

I don't know if half of the base is made of pvp players. I like pvp more, but I'm pretty sure there are way more pve players/servers.

[bright gust]

better than just removing pvp in general

[past wind]

where?

[sinful ermine]

A game cannot ever reach it’s peak attempting to serve two masters

PvP and PvE should just be separate titles in the same universe

If you’re going to do both

[stray elm]

I don't believe they stated ARK-2 wont have PvP as a whole

[bright gust]

i didn't say that

[stray elm]

You didn't just say 'better than just removing pvp in general?'

[rough scaffold]

Removing pvp was mentioned earlier than that

[bright gust]

i didn't say they're not having pvp

[stray elm]

Ah

[bright gust]

someone said remove pvp, i said or just have pve and pvp with difference changes

better than removing one fully

[tropic crag]

This is simply false, if only by a small margin. I think there's like... 1.6% more PvE players than PvP players? Idk, @blissful perch knows, lol

Also, yes, it is that hard to have two separate code bases for the same game, and not fuck it up all the while updating and improving it. Don't even get me started on adding new features, like DLC and such... whole other can of worms, I promise.

[stray elm]

Yeah, you're right.
Which is what they're doing.

[mighty lion]

Pvp isnt going anywhere, the creator considers ark a PVP online survival game

But there definetly should be separate fixes for PVP and pve

[wild token]

That road is one that many titles have tried to go down to the unhappiness of pretty much everyone. Only so many dev hours available, and when you split them up neither group gets a top tier result.

[fiery wedge]

Honestly, I forget but what is even PvE players gripe with the balancing in PvE?

[sharp garnet]

Hey I’m new

Ish

[wild token]

Most complaints I have seen involve things used frequently in PVE being nerfed because they are OP in pvp or some such. I tend to just take the game as it is and not worry too much about stuff.

[fiery wedge]

Bruh who gives a fuck if something is nerfed in pve

[sharp garnet]

#ark-2 For reall

[fiery wedge]

It's PvE you can kill almost anything with a tamed carno 😂

[wild token]

People that play PVE care...and good luck doing bosses with a tamed carno.

[fiery wedge]

I said almost

[wild token]

Yeah but bosses are kinda important for character progression.

[fiery wedge]

And if I recall correctly PvE players complained about dolphins getting nerfed and they can't even go into bosses

[wild token]

Wasn't around for that, but dolphins are for sure useless for anything but meat farming wilds with a spino or mosa.

[fiery wedge]

Uhhh I'm tryna figure out what you mean by the last part of your sentence

[sharp garnet]

Carnos are not the best not my first choice

[wild token]

I don't know if dolphins were ever useful, but they are for sure not useful now except being big suicidal meat bags.

[sharp garnet]

I for some reason prefer allos

[fiery wedge]

They were busted on release beacuse their shots ignored armor and had stupid range and damage

[sharp garnet]

What’s your guises opinions on shadowmains ?

[fiery wedge]

And their lock on shots hit your player off tames

[wild token]

My point is that people tend to think in terms of what is best for their preferred play style/mode/whatever and anything contrary to that must be an invalid complaint. It leads to toxic behavior and an impossible situation for any developer trying to provide a good experience of any kind. Basically the problem in balance isn't so much a problem of actuality but rather of perception.

I am hoping that the step back toward a more primitive progression will help Ark2.

[sharp garnet]

Same

I hope it’s as good as they are making it out to be

[wild token]

Pretty sure it will be fun regardless, but I find things fun now even if frustrating sometimes.

[sharp garnet]

Same

Ima be starting an ARK channel soon hopefully it turns out all good

[swift notch]

Wait wait wait wait..... Is ark 2 going to be 3rd person only? Oh damn it

[fiery wedge]

Yeah unfortunately

[swift notch]

That'll ruin the whole game for me, if played the whole ark 1 on first person, even on dinos!

These are the worst news in my gaming life

[blissful perch]

You played first person on mounts? I’m afriad

[swift notch]

It's pretty easy to get used to

Though it was hard to get used to astrodelphis first person, but then I actually became a pretty good pilot with it

Enforcers and Rockdrakes in the other hand are a total mess when climbing stuff

It's easy to get used to, but when you check the map you get hella confused

[untold ingot]

I always felt like enforcers only worked in fp

[swift notch]

Also chibi's tend to mess on my screen

[fiery wedge]

Some mounts are better in first in certain situations

[swift notch]

My favorite mounts in terms of first person look, are probably exo mek and velonasaur

[blissful perch]

He said drakes in FP bro. I get legit nauseous doing that

[blissful perch]

I love the enforcer in third but I can see that argument

[fiery wedge]

You've never used a Tek saddle on one have you? Lol

[blissful perch]

Why would I? Never played PvP with them being out lol

And tek drake saddles in PvE are useless XD

[fiery wedge]

Third person on drakes is assssssss

[swift notch]

Astrodelphis is a real problem when you first try it in fp, only because the controls feel different and it's hard to dash and maneuver

[fiery wedge]

Yeah astro sucks

[swift notch]

Rockdrake are really cool in fp, but as I said when you climb with them the map goes craaaaazy

[swift notch]

But once you get used to it, you feel the true power of a jet dolphin

I hope they'll add fp in ark 2 at some point

[blissful perch]

Thankfully it seems like it’s possible if absolutely necessary

[fiery wedge]

I feel like I'm trying to manuever a brick

[blissful perch]

I straight up do not enjoy Astro riding

[fiery wedge]

Third person on them is fine but first is horrible on astros

[swift notch]

I LOVE ASTRO RIDING. Mainly because I'm a jet fanatic (name check in) and I tend to master every jet in every single game

Just a thing of mine

[fiery wedge]

I'd defo smoke you on an astro

[swift notch]

No way

I mastered it's movement already in fp

[fiery wedge]

Bro I wish I could put a link in here of a clip of me killing a void a gig and like 3 suiters within a minute

[blissful perch]

Me hoping they gut or at minimum nerf all fliers substantially

[swift notch]

+it's my main

[swift notch]

They already did with the speed limit

That's quite a good nerf. +maps like abb and Genesis 1 exist

[fiery wedge]

Flyers suck on official for the most part rn tbh

[swift notch]

Where they are literally nothing, though I noticed astrodelphis can fly in gen 1

[sharp garnet]

Lol

[past wind]

wat?

more?

[blissful perch]

More than the only flier nerf ark 1 had? Yep

Maps are ruined by fliers. You just coast effortlessly above everything on them. You don’t learn the map. You don’t watch for predators or respect any hazards. You don’t experience the small details the map makers worked on. It makes land travel unviable. Just…too strong

[past wind]

The only nerf they had was huge 😂

The only tame that the nerf was ok is the wyvern

If you think the flyers spoil your experience. You can choose not to use them.

[untold ingot]

Fliers are too op with the high weight, but its cryos that really make them too strong

[blissful perch]

Alright I can concede that cryopods as pokeballs may be to blame in part. Gut that and it may be more viable to have the combat nerfed fliers serve their role and not be game breaking

[blissful perch]

Design maps for them to not be used like Gen 1 and Ab and I got no issue 🙏. But some maps are massive and have no land pathways that indicate they’re built for fliers

[past wind]

Look, I got you. But that would be really unpleasant to do daily stuff on Ark. Farming, collecting stuff etc.

I mean for officials.

[blissful perch]

Tek stryders aren’t fliers right? Aren’t they the current op gathering mount?

[untold ingot]

All an extra bonus, jk

[past wind]

In 2016 I had a ptera that I really liked. After the nerf it became useless.

[past wind]

Early game

[blissful perch]

Good. Pts were OP

[untold ingot]

I would like to see more plant based defenses to be viable so that instead of farming arb people farm fert, that would drastically cut down on the necessary farming

[past wind]

And now are useless 😖

[blissful perch]

Metal doesn’t have to be on insanely high mountains anymore if fliers aren’t the expected mode of travel

[past wind]

Yeah, maybe that would make it

[untold ingot]

They arent useless lol, at least not in pvp. Pts are still pretty op lol

[blissful perch]

Picking is op is my understanding

Although I guess the barrel roll is still good?

[untold ingot]

I would love to see metal almost exclusively in unbuildable caves lol

[untold ingot]

That is what makes them op

[past wind]

But they are. Also, remember tek won’t be a thing, at least not in the beginning. So no stryders

[blissful perch]

Gonna boil down to how frequent and accessibly caves are

[blissful perch]

They are in ark 1. Because when the island was made it was expected you haul things on fliers

Or you fight to the death for your volcano metal 😅

[pseudo halo]

Bred

👍

[past wind]

I’m expecting to have to move around the map more on Ark 2

[untold ingot]

I wouldnt mind a massively flier oriented dlc, I am imagining huge cliffs and mountains, rope bridges and stuff.

[past wind]

With this new crafting system

[blissful perch]

Maybe, and if they do I hope we get fast travel or fliers dedicated to solely player transport

[pseudo halo]

Imagine someone making a spear with fire

[untold ingot]

But I dont want fliers to be as prevalent in pve especially, and I dont want them to be as op in pvp

[past wind]

Also “flying mountains” based on the first clip

[blissful perch]

I mean a map with floating islands would make much more sense to be flier centric than the current ark maps

[past wind]

We can agree on making them a transportation method only

[untold ingot]

I hate floating islands though. I just want to see something like the grand canyon

[untold ingot]

Transportation, without cryos or high weight and damage

[blissful perch]

Every map with a wyvern trench has something like that 😂

[past wind]

There will be no crios

[untold ingot]

There has to be something to prevent dino clutter, but pocket cryos I hope disappear

They make the game almost trivial

[past wind]

I don’t believe wyverns will be a thing

At least not for the base game

[blissful perch]

Raq mentioned Grand Canyon and I’m simply saying that the wyverns trenches are pretty dang similar in concept

[untold ingot]

Yeah, it has 1 piece. I want to see that in a whole map

[past wind]

I don’t see how

Without tek, I don’t see how

[blissful perch]

You want the whole map to have a trench across it? What the rest of the map then lol?

[past wind]

Maybe Creatures of the new planet

[blissful perch]

If the trench is narrow it’s a tiny part of the map, and if it’s wide it’s a valley and isn’t really grand canyon lol

[untold ingot]

It would be a flier map, doesnt need a rest of it lol

[blissful perch]

I’m being trolled lol, you got me 😂

[untold ingot]

It could branch around like a normal canyon, have a cool river with rapids, and a flat desert on top

[blissful perch]

I mean if you want a map entirely of plateaus and ravines that’s an option

[untold ingot]

But have the surface be super hot so its not really livable

Yeah, I think it would be cool

[blissful perch]

Doesn’t sound flier centric tho

Sounds climber and amphibian centric

[past wind]

Give me hot balloons and you can take all the flyers out

[untold ingot]

Well, those would be cool too

[blissful perch]

I’d love a map centered around reliance on amphibious mounts

[untold ingot]

Yes, melee fliers out of the sky with a balloon lol

[untold ingot]

Yeah, like a pure jungle/swamp, but really big

[blissful perch]

A massive shallow seaway with sandbars and swamps 🥰

[past wind]

😂 but for real, Ark with more vehicles would be cool

[blissful perch]

They tried the tek car or whatever lol

[past wind]

Atlas has no flyers (besides the dragon), and they’ve put a lot of vehicles on the game. Boats, submarine etc

[blissful perch]

But why would you ever want a vehicle in a game where you can ride creatures

[past wind]

If the creatures are nerfed

The vehicles would be cool

[blissful perch]

If the vehicle undoes the creature nerfs that wouldn’t solve anything 😂

[past wind]

Not necessarily

You just make the combustible hard to make

[untold ingot]

I dont want to see vehicles

[blissful perch]

Please stop with the “it’s hard to make so it’s balanced” argument

I’m so tired of hearing it…the argument straight up fails in the context of ark, a game where people grind anything if it’s good enough

[fiery wedge]

Any game where something's "hard" to make eventually has the "hard" things mass produced

[past wind]

Do you play on officials?

[fiery wedge]

After players learn how to farm it

[untold ingot]

It fails on every game lol. Difficulty to make/use does not equate to balancec

[blissful perch]

I read the two folks who posted above me (and others) constantly mention cases where difficult to make is a non issue

[past wind]

Unless you are talking about 2015 ark

[blissful perch]

People in 2015 megas mass farmed and tamed that gross grind stuff too

[past wind]

Everything back then was a pain

[past wind]

Watch videos from people playing on officials back then

[untold ingot]

I think that is only because people didnt really know how to do things efficiently

[past wind]

Alpha bases had like 10 turrets 😂

[blissful perch]

Did you need more? Soakers weren’t much of a thing in 2015

[fiery wedge]

You mean 1000?

And a million plant x

[past wind]

Today yes, back then, no

[untold ingot]

Those were some small alphas lol

[blissful perch]

Mutation breeding also didn’t exist

[past wind]

My point is, I don’t want Ark 2 to be as time consuming

[fiery wedge]

Bronto meta?

[fiery wedge]

Yes it did lol

[blissful perch]

Your point was that it’s ok to make something OP if it costs a lot. And I called BS

[blissful perch]

Not in 2015…breeding hadn’t even come out yet right? Or maybe that was late 2015?

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I get that, but it cant be too easy to build up massive stockpiles of things

[fiery wedge]

Oh I just meant when it was legacy in general

[past wind]

My point is: don’t make the game of the people playing solo as hard as 2015 Ark 😂

[blissful perch]

You explicitly did not make that point lol

[fiery wedge]

Pretty sure there was breeding back then tho

[blissful perch]

You said it’s ok to have vehicles that subvert a creature nerf if they cost a lot

[fiery wedge]

In 2015

[past wind]

Sure. I’m not asking that

[blissful perch]

Maybe for a few creatures? But it wasn’t rolled out for all creatures I think until 2016

[past wind]

2022 Ark is far too easy. I want something in between

[untold ingot]

It should be at least as difficult as ab when it dropped imo, anything less than that will feel like a letdown lol

[fiery wedge]

Remember when phiomias laid eggs 😂

[past wind]

There was. But not mutations

[untold ingot]

I was hoping gen2 would beat ab on the difficulty level, but it didnt, so I have shifted my expectations to ark2 being hard lol

[past wind]

Gen 2 is far too easy

I want the scorched earth level of difficulty before the flyer nerf 😂

[fiery wedge]

Well, every dlc the devs seemed to want players to have easier access to Tek and element.

[past wind]

Yeah, but there’s no tek on Ark 2

So most of the Op stuff will be gone

[fiery wedge]

Imagine if primitive gameplay just meant no bps so everything is prim quality

[past wind]

Crios, hovers, tek suits, stryders etc

[blissful perch]

Again I read the same joke. Bro you don’t need tek to be OP

[past wind]

I didn’t say that

[blissful perch]

What else would you like me to infer from this

[untold ingot]

Yeah, it makes sense from a pve perspective to make harder resources easier. But at the same time the new maps never had the same feel as ab, and it was disappointing imo. I am hoping we see more challenging maps in ark2

[past wind]

But it’s clear to me tek stuff is what spoil Ark today

[untold ingot]

Its only certain tek things that spoil it imo

[past wind]

That most of the Op stuff is tek?!

[blissful perch]

Implying that removing tek removes most OP stuff?

[past wind]

Yes, definitely

[blissful perch]

Ok so return to my above statement about that being insufficient

No tek ≠ no OP things or even a meaningful drop in OP things

No tek just means nothing with the tek theme

[past wind]

Scorched was very balanced, and the flyers were there

[blissful perch]

visible confusion I summon @fiery wedge to verify

[past wind]

My point is, flyers weren’t the problem

[blissful perch]

Pretty sure wyverns were busted when SE dropped

[fiery wedge]

Where? Lol I haven't been reading

[blissful perch]

Was SE very balanced on launch?

[past wind]

I’ve said above wyverns nerf was the only one I thought was a good thing

[blissful perch]

Ok let’s try this over: @fiery wedge was post flier nerf SE balanced? (This was before ab came out)

[fiery wedge]

It was easy af to raid every base that didn't have Tek turrets because of golems, wyverns were pretty op and the desert drops were pretty good.

[blissful perch]

Omg rip golems being viable

[past wind]

There was no tek on release lol

I think you are confused

[blissful perch]

Tek came out before the flier nerf did

[past wind]

No

[fiery wedge]

Okay so even more towards it not being balanced?

[past wind]

Tek came in waves

[south lance]

It does if you remove the tek suits xd

[blissful perch]

Tek - Jan 2017. Flier nerf - March/April 2017 from what I’m seeing

[past wind]

I think 2018 or 2019

[past wind]

Scorched came on 2016

[blissful perch]

You wanted me to consider post flier nerf se did you not?

[south lance]

And i suppose you spawn in rockwell zone

[fiery wedge]

Nobody really leveled speed on wyverns so the same as what I said before

[past wind]

No man, my whole point is Scorched was balanced on release, and the flyers were still not nerfed

[blissful perch]

Ok so see bird’s above statement then

[untold ingot]

Extinction came out in 2018, there was a boat load of tek before then lol

[blissful perch]

Which seems to still be true

[past wind]

He talked about tek turrets on SE

[untold ingot]

Uh no, just no lol

[past wind]

There was no tek turrets back then

[blissful perch]

Although @fiery wedge on release of SE before tek turrets was it more balanced?

[fiery wedge]

No

[untold ingot]

I tried that, it was still really easy

[fiery wedge]

Golems were op asf

[past wind]

I’m talking about flyers 😂😂

There were no quetzals

[untold ingot]

Scorched after the flier nerf and the wyvern nerf is still really really easy. Just get one lightning wyvern and you never have to worry about pve again

[past wind]

I remember it made a huge difference

Ok, I give up

I will explore on my equus

[south lance]

Spawned rockwell side?

[untold ingot]

Yup, it was annoying, but not terribly difficult

[south lance]

Damn maybe i gotta try abb

[blissful perch]

…you haven’t played the best map?

[south lance]

I played it a little

[fiery wedge]

Quetzals were in the game in 2015

[untold ingot]

Ab is easier now that it was on drop

[past wind]

I don’t know, I think you are looking to Ark 2 having 2022 Ark in mind. Ark 2 is basically going back to its origins (2015).

[past wind]

Not in scorched

[fiery wedge]

Transfers

[past wind]

There were no transfers

[untold ingot]

I really dont think so

[past wind]

You really played on the release? 😂

[south lance]

Wonder if transfers in ark2 will even be similar at all to ark1

[past wind]

Transfers to scorched begin after 3 months

[fiery wedge]

🤡

[past wind]

And then it was spoiled again

[lime forge]

I’m pretty sure Ark 2 is stepping away from its origins

[past wind]

We will see

[fiery wedge]

You could transfer off of scorched... And having the dlc as opposed to not having it was a major advantage.

[past wind]

I’m talking about how balanced was playing on scorched on the release

So: no quetzals

And I agree, wyverns were op and gollems too

[untold ingot]

I feel like the arguement of "transfers spoiled the map" could be applied to any map equally though

[past wind]

I think the wyvern nerf was a good thing

[past wind]

Agreed

[untold ingot]

That generally is an indication that the map wasnt balanced out well with previous maps

Wyverns coming to the island from scorched also "ruined" the island

[past wind]

The map was, the quetzal + platforms weren’t 😂

But well, I will wait and see

Ark 2 for me is pretty much a mystery

[untold ingot]

Quetz and platforms before the flier nerf were 10x more op than they are now

[fiery wedge]

Is it really ruined? Or is the game just changing and you don't like it?

[untold ingot]

Thats the quotation marks lol. I dont think new maps ruin old ones

[fiery wedge]

Yeah same

[ripe cedar]

Game changing in a way someone doesnt like can ruin it for them yes

[fiery wedge]

Just the meta lol

[untold ingot]

I dont like metas, but the main issues for me is how easy it is to farm endgame in the early game lol

[fiery wedge]

But it didn't ruin the map, just ruined their experience

[blissful perch]

Any game is gonna have a meta lol

[past wind]

That’s my whole point. In 2015 wasn’t like that.

The metas usually use glitches

[untold ingot]

I mean, technically yes. But if it is set up right, it is less of a meta and more of a variable playstyle

[untold ingot]

Only because people didnt know how to do it lol