ark-2

[split dove]

🍿

[timber bay]

I had my share of handing out butt whoopings

This is not about skill t his is about a game like ark needs a wipe cycle idc if you are a bob or the greatest ark player to ever rome the earth

[lavish rain]

That were dealt to you by cherry pick

[mighty lion]

It's more mega alliances than tribes

[timber bay]

Because you dont agree with my opinion dont mean its because im not skilled

We all have our own thoughts man

[lavish rain]

Heist like raiding, there it's solved

[timber bay]

I can say mines and its nothing to do with me not being skilled im just saying how i see it but I guess if the thoughts dont align with others then your a bob your not skilled because every body on ark is GODs i know i know

[mighty lion]

I'm down for them having official wipe servers like they already do, but not forcing everyone into those servers.

[stray elm]

Hang on, i just got into this convo.
Ara, are you saying official should have yearly wipes?

[timber bay]

Not force

[lavish rain]

He says 4 months

[blissful perch]

I meant wipe versus no wipe lol but that’s also true

[timber bay]

They should have 3 to 6 months wipes and regular

[stray elm]

Oh, every 4 month wipe?
That's a bit 'too' soon.

[timber bay]

Give us the option to choose you wanna go reg great go to the normal you wanna play the wipe go to the wipe

[stray elm]

Personally i'd be down for 'yearly' wipes.
But i can also see the issue of that.

[lavish rain]

That's how it is now

[timber bay]

Just give us 2 separte sets wipe and on wipe

Yes but its 1 month 1 month is useless

3 to 6months is more like it

[lavish rain]

You have what you wanted

[timber bay]

I am saying what can you do in 1 month thats what im basically saying

[stray elm]

6 months also sounds pretty short.
I see where Arc is getting at, though.

[timber bay]

You really can do much in 1 month as you blink you are barely getting somewhere

3 to 6 months you can actually have drama do alot by 6 months you actually ran the server if youa re on top

[untold ingot]

It's easy enough to build on smalls or 1x if you are just trying to have fun. Yeah you are going to get wiped by those who play more, but that's just the game

[timber bay]

1 month needs to be 3 to 6 moth sin ark 2 then you have the regular non wipes servers

[lavish rain]

This is how I KNOW you are a bob

[timber bay]

Players lik eme can go to the wipe ones if I get my butt handed I can wait for the next wipe or go to a new server

I know im a bob because you the ARK god tod me im a bob

[lavish rain]

I basically beaten fjordur on official pve within a month, imagine if I had more time and grinded like I played pvp

[timber bay]

You got im a bob i wont argue with you about it you are right im a bob I want wipes because im so scared im going to lose in the virtual realm

[untold ingot]

1 month is almost enough time to do every boss in the tame lol, I mean just look at kishko

[timber bay]

There going to take my pokemons

🤣

[untold ingot]

I really don't think wipes are going to help with anything

[lavish rain]

1 month is plenty of time, sorry you progress slowly

[timber bay]

Dudes need to go outside and get their butts off the coach man

[blissful perch]

What blows my mind is folks who play PvP “because you might lose everything” don’t want wipes

[timber bay]

Everybody is who say something that is left of others is a bob or a noob only on ark

[untold ingot]

There already are tons of unofficial that wipe every 4 months, it's always the same groups in the lead and everyone else is gone in like 2 weeks

[timber bay]

I dont care about losing virtual things

Its just a game I mean that sincerely for me atleast

[stray elm]

Hell, my unofficial cluster has yearly wipes.

[lavish rain]

That's what they all say

[blissful perch]

I’m fine with constricted official servers as a solution, especially on console, because I get it. It stinks to host a console unofficial

[timber bay]

Idc about being wipe I just play to enjoy the game whateve rthe outcome wont change real life

Its a virtual game man ppl be acting like ark is real like this how yo know dudes dont go outside

[mighty lion]

It's the thrill of losing stuff while you are away or due to defective build, with the opportunity to learn, but at the same time the ability to constantly progress and fend off the wipes.This give you control and a sense that you skill and preparation can prevent it. Having it forced on you is not appealing.

[timber bay]

The effort will always be for nothin gin ark

You are in a strong time eventually a strong er tribe shows up

No one is safe in ark you are happy on your server living a strong time show s up then what

[blissful perch]

I can understand this if ark 2 had faction based tribes and did away with the small tribes on official

[timber bay]

They have more resources more players more tames and your F###

[stray elm]

Big tribes may be strong.
But family is stronger.

[timber bay]

Welcome to ark everyone next stop is the grave

😂

[mighty lion]

Naw man, sometimes you lose everything to a mesher. No stronger tribe

[blissful perch]

You play solo and “tribeless” or you join a faction

[timber bay]

There will always be a stronger time than yours no matter how hard you grind there is another tribe that has player who dotn sleep

and there coming its jsut a matter of time b4 knock knock

[blissful perch]

That’s an argument against mutations rather than for wipes

[timber bay]

Who is it?

[blissful perch]

Gut the garbage systems that enable no sleep afk grinding to lead to insurmountable advantage

[timber bay]

No one play to lose the point is if you do lose its jsut a damn game

Dudes be acting liek virtual NERDs

[untold ingot]

It's a game with thousands of people, playing thousands of hours, if you want to be the alpha of alphas that's a really really hard thing to do lol

[timber bay]

Its not that serious man some of us actually have real lives not virtual lives

[blissful perch]

Before everyone goes nuts

[lavish rain]

That's you

[timber bay]

Wake up ppl there is a big world out there get off your pcs and console go OUTSIDE go for a walk go meet a chick

[blissful perch]

I just don’t want my money getting flushed because I do other things than ark and can’t use the service I “paid for”

[lavish rain]

Go take a shower

[blissful perch]

I get 0% of the benefit of the official network and have to pay for it

[lavish rain]

Go do pushups

[timber bay]

Dudes will literally kill themselves over a vritual game I am not the type to sit up all night watching a base sorry if you gonna raid me you win you got me

[lavish rain]

Do somthing to numb the pain you deny

[timber bay]

I need my sleep i got sh## to do dudes be up all night refuse to sleep i gotta be on watch that is not healthy man if you gotta do all that in a game QUIT

[blissful perch]

Y’all have got to stop baiting each other with low quality insults

It’s just boring and distracting from the point

[split dove]

Somehow it did

[timber bay]

I am not insulting him at all

Just saying for me game is jsut that games

I dont take it to heart where I get upset for what

[lavish rain]

Ur telling me to touch grass when I already do

[timber bay]

They killed my virtual pets big deal go tame more im just different man

[blissful perch]

You’re dismissing other people’s opinions because you believe they are shut ins who spent all day playing ark. It’s not a mystery if that’s a bait or not

[foggy briar]

Hi guys

[timber bay]

Ark to me is a virtual game thats it the things ppl do i just cant do i cant sit u all night guardig a base while falling asleep on a chair or rage because someone wipe me nope cant do it man. Grown man do grown things

[blissful perch]

I disagree with them, but do so based on their ideas, not their character

[rancid orbit]

Hey, I like your punctuation.

[blissful perch]

Thanks 😆

[timber bay]

I say just give us wipe servers and n ormal servers

[blissful perch]

I had an A+ tier philosophy prof who taught me that, and I remember it every day

[lavish rain]

Your acting like none of us feel the same way

[timber bay]

The bobs like myself will go to the wipes ones 3 to 6months wipes and e njoy it

[blissful perch]

Ok, but other people are raising valid concerns with wipes like that

[timber bay]

Do you? I cant tell

[blissful perch]

Do you intend to engage with those arguments and concerns? Or do you intend to dismiss them?

[timber bay]

Shifter thats why i said give us normal servers and 3 to 6 months wipe that would make everybody happy

You wanna live on a mega tribe serverall your life go to normal

[lavish rain]

We have 1 month that's enough

[timber bay]

You wanna try wipe if you fail return next wipe great

[lavish rain]

And get wiped again

[timber bay]

1 month is not enough 3 months would be better

[lavish rain]

I've played arkpoc, that was my experience

[timber bay]

Guess what if you get wipe within a week or 2 the investment wasnt that much

[blissful perch]

PvP classic wipes annual doesn’t it?

[timber bay]

You have options you can go to a nother server or wait for next wipe

See how that works much better

[lavish rain]

Not my fault you progress slowly

[untold ingot]

It won't make people happy. It'll divide the community in half, and loads will quit early on for the wipe servers

[timber bay]

You can even recruit a big team b4 next wipe and break into 2 to 3 tribes strength in #s so next wipe you get on early and your team is strong

[lavish rain]

It's plenty of time imo

[blissful perch]

One month for someone with a normal job is a tough sell if they’re casual

[timber bay]

You survive you become top dogs you run the joint

See wipe gives you flexibility to plan ahead

No wipe servers once a tribe is establish thats it its over

[lavish rain]

"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face"

[timber bay]

Yes but you can take 10000 punches

It wipes so you get punch you get em next time

[split dove]

Why do I get the feeling this topic won't change for the next 5 hours

[blissful perch]

What actually happens is that an alpha claims a server and runs people out -> an alpha on another server raids them -> winner is the new alpha -> repeat

[timber bay]

You wear a face guard next time you eat the blows

[lavish rain]

You completely avoided my point

[split dove]

Same

Dale will be back by that time 😂

[lavish rain]

My point is these tribes who are plotting to take over have plans til they get raided by previous wipe alphas

[blissful perch]

I’m shocked he hasn’t caught kicks or bans

[lavish rain]

He has a big mouth

[timber bay]

@lavish rain or better yet matter that said tribe succeed

[lavish rain]

I'm asking myself this

[timber bay]

So you are only seeing things through your lenses

You are not seeing it from various sides just your views man

[lavish rain]

That's you

[blissful perch]

Tek enjoyer is trying to get a discussion of you and is not succeeding

[timber bay]

What if the plotted reign supreme they brought more guns sh## load of ppl and executed

[lavish rain]

It seems like you only see through the lenses of "next wipe things WILL change" and I'm saying "what if it dosent"

[timber bay]

You are only seeing waht fits what you wanna convey

You are right

[split dove]

I'd love a new topic and not repeating the same thing 10 times

[timber bay]

That what i am saying man it might it might not

[blissful perch]

I tried man, this guy really wants his fantasy to be drilled in

[lavish rain]

But your argument only hold if it does

[timber bay]

But you can always plot every other wipe and do something different if you fail to make it far you can try again

Isnt thats what life is about try again?

[lavish rain]

Wanna change it ourselves?

[blissful perch]

Bro maybe Raq can help

[untold ingot]

I mean, I have played dozens of wipes, and kept tabs on loads more. I have played 1x and smalls a lot. Wipes don't statistically change anything lol

[timber bay]

Better yet what if on the 1st wipe the plotted succeed

?

[blissful perch]

They do open the playing field for tribes to shuffle around. You don’t feel as locked to a tribe as you would normally if they were built up

[lavish rain]

Your argument only works if things do, you ignore the outcome of the same people ruling the wipe for as long as no wipe

[timber bay]

Its all 50/50 the outcome could be either way

Okay let me break it down for you

[blissful perch]

that is NOT how stats work lmfao

[lavish rain]

@blissful perch @untold ingot @split dove let's carry on

[blissful perch]

2 outcomes is NOT 50/50

[lavish rain]

Ignore him

[blissful perch]

Sorry I’m busy crying laughing

[split dove]

Aggreed

[timber bay]

Say the ruler of last wipe had a 8 man tribe they ran the server then 4 4 man tribes bonded together they are skilled just out numbered how they have 16 players vs 8

2 man for every 1 man the change of the 16 succeeding is much higher

[lavish rain]

Do you think skilled combat will change much @blissful perch ?

[timber bay]

Thats the point im making yet you just cant see past oh if they were alpha last wipe they can still be alpha this wipe not seeing the point im trying to make

[blissful perch]

Change in what way?

[lavish rain]

Ok but if they team up only one of the team ups can rule

[blissful perch]

If a server has 70 slots and a mega can fill 60, your fantasy instantly fails

[split dove]

Don't think it will change too much, just some new moves and attacks

[untold ingot]

I think it'll take a different type of skill, and the console players are going to steamroll the pc players lol

[lavish rain]

It's supposed to be skill based combat

[timber bay]

WIpe server wouldnt be that way

[blissful perch]

No i mean what do you think is being changed? Gameplay? Balance? Game feel?

[lavish rain]

All 3

[timber bay]

@lavish rain What i learnd is you are the type of person everytiem someone drop a valid point yo change

I know your type man you can never be backed in a c orner because you will keep switching to fit your narrative

[lavish rain]

Ok now you REALLY pissed me off

[timber bay]

I make a point now you switch to someone else

[blissful perch]

Certainly game feel: the LMB spam days may finally be behind us. Gameplay I hope using events and the like will trend towards people taking more care of their surroundings and actually benefiting from such caution. Balance I’m not so sure

[lavish rain]

Because I'm tired of your shit

[timber bay]

Yea because the TRUTH hurts you keep changing everytime because you dont care to have a good discussion you just wanna be RIGHT.

[blissful perch]

Skill based combat could ruin balance if they allow hordes of tames to just swarm you lol

[untold ingot]

Let's not make it personal @timber bay

[lavish rain]

@untold ingot I've had enough

[timber bay]

No because I just explained my point and then you switch it again lol

😅

[blissful perch]

I provided the truth Arca bud

I don’t want to be mean, but it’s super obvious

[lavish rain]

Ofcouse only @timber bay weilds the truth

[timber bay]

I can only assuem shifter and you are buddies

[lavish rain]

Please mute him, I could deal with him but how he's just getting personal

[blissful perch]

Anyone who engages in logical discourse here about ark 2 is a friend of mine 🤣

[stray elm]

I take my eyes off of this chat for 5 seconds and Arc and Tek are arguing.

[split dove]

Speculating much?

[lavish rain]

That's how it goes

[timber bay]

I know ppl are good buddies they will back each other up the butt buddie syndrome. I make a point explain it 16 vs 8 then the guy switch again because hes the type he wanna be right. He dont care about a sensible discussion itsonly about i gotta be right

[split dove]

Same shit, different people and topic

[lavish rain]

Litterrally the entire discord knows I'm not that type

[timber bay]

I know ppl like this so i dont waste my energy idc to be right im just trying to talk about the wipe servers you here trying to be RIGHT you gotta man you are right

[lavish rain]

Dude

[stray elm]

Can y'all not make it personal, and just keep it ARK-2 related?
I know i'm not a admin. But damn, this argument is bad.
And this is coming from me.

[lavish rain]

Chill out

[lavish rain]

I've been trying to get the mods to break it up

[blissful perch]

I think he’s chilled out but he’s kinda invented a persona for ya there Tek Enjoyer

[timber bay]

im not upset im cool i j ust gave hte man a good exmaple 16 vs 8 and he still switch to something else jsut so he can say hes right

[lavish rain]

M

[blissful perch]

I answered for him so we could move the discussion along but you kept pinging him

[lavish rain]

I'm switching the ocnvo because this is getting tiring going in a loop with you

[stray elm]

Well, you taking it further after he made it personal kind of didn't help. 😅
Just me, but at that point i'd just ignore him if they're going to make it personal.

[timber bay]

The tribes who got beat up join to make 16 the other tribe has 8 now the battlefield shifted his whole point is the alphas even tough they are out numbered now will be alphas because they were alphas last time so they cant be stop anymore. huh come on man

[lavish rain]

I'm trying man

[blissful perch]

Because I’m getting bored 😆. Your fantasy of 16 v 8 isn’t realistic nor does it mean anything when ark megas can slot cap a server

[timber bay]

Not switch the convo

[lavish rain]

Enough of your ego power fantasy, we all want to move om

[blissful perch]

Just reply to my message with my message. He clearly wants to hear it from you tek

[timber bay]

I am saying you switch to say a mega has 70 slots on a server some other crap you said

[lavish rain]

I'm not going to reply it'll just feed him

[stray elm]

So, about the Aratai!
I for one hope i can ally with them. 👀

[timber bay]

You couldnt jsut say yeah that could be true nope you had to switch and say yeah 70 slots mega tribe etc

[untold ingot]

Let's move on the conversation to another topic

[blissful perch]

Don’t get me started on that again XD

[stray elm]

Trying to.

[timber bay]

Yea lets move on

[lavish rain]

We're trying we really are

[stray elm]

I for one think having a Orc ape man chilling in your camp would be poggers.

[blissful perch]

Anti pog

[stray elm]

That my friend, is called 'pogn't'

[blissful perch]

I want no humanoid NPCs anywhere near me or my base unless I’m hitting them with a stick

[lavish rain]

Dude that dosent mean continue the insults

[stray elm]

Honestly, we need a 'pogn't' emote

[timber bay]

Beyond all that how is everyone doing tonight?

[lavish rain]

We have never I ugh useless emotes I vote no

[stray elm]

The poglin just deadass looking at the viewer and having that "Did you really just fucking say that?" type of face.

[timber bay]

Hey I love you guys dont forget

[lavish rain]

Except me

[stray elm]

SHH

[timber bay]

I am gonna go eat some ice cream and figure out what video card im gonna purchase

Tek I love you man

[blissful perch]

You have got to take less bait homie. Out here eating bait like a coel off a raft

[lavish rain]

Yes

[timber bay]

I need a new video card trying not to break the bank

[stray elm]

Tek is being baited so hard that he seems like the perfect worm for a fishing rod right now.

[timber bay]

These prices are crazy man crazy I tell ya

[lavish rain]

Enough enough

[blissful perch]

Speaking of can we have not ass tier bait?

[timber bay]

No one is baiting tek stop the trolling

[blissful perch]

I’m sick of needing sap or leech blood just to meme and fish

[stray elm]

Sorry, just had to make a remark. xD
You know i love you, man.

[timber bay]

I do love him and everyone of you guys

[blissful perch]

If someone doesn’t respond to my ark 2 bait comment I’m sending pings

[stray elm]

Wait......what would happen if we weren't human? 👀

[split dove]

Aggreed, we need dead aratai as bait

[lavish rain]

Nooo I'm an alien that is an alcohol based life form

[blissful perch]

Meat bait. Say no more

[untold ingot]

Well, I already use bobs as bait

[timber bay]

Anyway fellas ill catch you we talk some more ark man

[stray elm]

You know, of how much you drink.
I legit, dead ass wouldn't be surprised if you came to my house and you where a fucking little green man holding a pack of beer.

[blissful perch]

*ark 2 👀

[timber bay]

Maybe I can join one of you guys tribe since I am a bob I can use the protection

[blissful perch]

Out here making me miss gold Frieza

[timber bay]

Be safe out there fellas

[stray elm]

Something happen?

[timber bay]

Stay away from all life form Monkey Pox is going wild

[blissful perch]

Well he stopped chatting a bit ago lol I assume we ran him off with the circular discussion

[timber bay]

Lock your doors scrub your body with rubbing alcohol

[stray elm]

Oh?

[lavish rain]

You just had to say that

[timber bay]

Yea lol

[stray elm]

Tek will drink anything alcoholic.
Even rubbing alcohol.
Man is no longer human, his blood is 98% alcohol, and he knows it.

[split dove]

Soon Tek will be the first Terminator of our time

[stray elm]

True!

Actually, i would more say the 'Bender' of our time.

[split dove]

He only needs a metal skeleton now

[lavish rain]

He is my personality so makes sense

[stray elm]

Yep.
You're practically a human Bender.

[blissful perch]

@split dove @lavish rain @stray elm tell me why my bait idea isn’t A+ tier. Why can’t we get more out of our fishing minigame

[fallow niche]

[stray elm]

Give me your idea.

[lavish rain]

I think it shouldn't be complicated

[untold ingot]

I didn't get pinged 😭

[blissful perch]

I don’t want to farm sap and leech blood just to have a my meme! Let me make baits out of meat or plants and just whip it out into the water for some fun

[blissful perch]

I knew you were lurking

[lavish rain]

Mutton bait

[blissful perch]

Scale down the rewards unless it’s a special fish or maybe even a trophy size fish (that would be cool to have extra rare trophy fish that give you something special)

[stray elm]

Seeing how we might get itty-bitty creatures like ants as environmental stuff. Why not harvest worms?

[blissful perch]

Source? Cause that sounds sick

[lavish rain]

Worms with fish basket

[stray elm]

The new ARK-2 trailer was in-engine, and there where ants crawling on the skull.

Not guaranteed of course.
But it means they have models for ants.

[lavish rain]

It could just be for the trailer

[untold ingot]

I don't know how far they are going to go with fishing. They never really seemed to prioritize it, and I feel like most people didn't even fish

[stray elm]

It could, but it also seems like a waste since UE5 is able to have stuff like that.

[untold ingot]

I have even met people who didn't know fishing was a thing jaja

[blissful perch]

It was kinda spanked in for sure in ark 1. But it’s free real estate imo for ark 2

[stray elm]

(actually, this is already possible with Monster-Hunter having ant patrols.)

[untold ingot]

I am hoping we see less fishing poles, and more fishing traps. Because they announced that there would be running water right?

[lavish rain]

I don't want ants eating my t rex

[stray elm]

TOO BAD!

"welcome to ultra-realism, bois"

[blissful perch]

You can’t have less than one pole 👀

[untold ingot]

That would actually be kind of cool lol, a danger spot where the danger is actually insects rather than dinos

[lavish rain]

Hear me out

[blissful perch]

I’d KILL to go into an alien hive biome

[lavish rain]

Fishing spears

[blissful perch]

Get me them mega ant/termite/alien hives PLS

[untold ingot]

I mean, no poles, and have traps that you can place and come back for fish later

[blissful perch]

Sold. Where can I get a modular crafted fishing spear

[stray elm]

Hear me out.
'Tamable alien ant colonies'

[lavish rain]

Passive income dosent seem to be a thing in ark

[blissful perch]

Why not have both? The fishing minigame isn’t even half bad, it just needs mild tweaks and some balance changes

[blissful perch]

laughs nervously in cementing paste from snails, gacha crystals, farming, mutations/breeding

[untold ingot]

I just really really really want to see more traps, like net traps on rivers, dead fall traps for small game, pit traps around bases. Things like that

[blissful perch]

I’d love a tamable ant colony similar to the queen bee in ark 1. But when I say alien ants I want a full ass sub biome or cave of it

[untold ingot]

All of ark is passive income lol, other than farming metal jaja

[blissful perch]

Snares for bobs XD

[stray elm]

You're kind of giving me 'hiver' vibes from the game Kenshi

[lavish rain]

I'm in

[untold ingot]

I wanna see bases defended by dead falls rather than turrets

It'll be really hard to balance though

[blissful perch]

I want to see more traps that are actual traps…rather than “let me build a box and lure an idiotic animal into it”

[lavish rain]

How would this work with terrain equipment like grapples and climbing picks? What about the advanced movemet?

[blissful perch]

I mean Raq is dreaming, ark 2 is gonna need turrets

[untold ingot]

I have no idea, I am hoping there is someone more genius than me who can make it work lol

[lavish rain]

It would negate all the traps

[blissful perch]

That’s normally me, and no you’re screwed Raq

[lavish rain]

I've been saying for too long
Heist like raiding

[untold ingot]

I would love to see more raid methods that aren't brute force or cheesing methods

[blissful perch]

There’s a lot of cool things that can’t work with the current ark 1 mode of PvP, where most progress is in the game world and most progress can be wiped at any time

[lavish rain]

If you set off alarms it could trigger all sorts of traps, or patrolling dinos

[lavish rain]

This is why ark 2 exists

That and bugs

[blissful perch]

I’m betting many people would actually not mind if all base building in PvP was removed and instead there was a central base in a PvP zone that could be defended for special rewards

[lavish rain]

So defend the castle game mode?

[blissful perch]

Defend the base until it gets raided -> new guy is running the show -> rinse repeat

[lavish rain]

I thought Dale had that idea

[blissful perch]

I gave the idea to Dale

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I don't think that would really work all that well, but a general capture the flag with a safe main base might work

[blissful perch]

Dale had a lot of inarticulate frustrations and I helped him shape them into solutions

Which we now see every so often as a sort of copy pasta 😂

[untold ingot]

It would make it feel like more of a conquest rather than a free for all

[lavish rain]

Dale copypasta should exist

[blissful perch]

I think Dale is coming from a fair place, but his delivery needs work lol

He’s right that mode based PvP would probably be a good move

[lavish rain]

He gets too personal if you disagree

[blissful perch]

Give the PvP some dang structure that makes it feel rewarding and helps people feel like they’re after something

[untold ingot]

I played on a server with a capture the flag mod, and it was the most fun thing ever, the only issue was that post of the people came from pve and didn't like losing dinos and bases

[blissful perch]

Axe man’s tribe wars series also looked fascinating

You keep the RP that’s central to PvP but with a bit more structure

[untold ingot]

Yeah, that's the one I played lol

I also played a shootoff with all the people who were disappointed with how that turned out. But the mode itself was loads of fun

[blissful perch]

I think it’s a good concept

What’s nice is that there are limited tribes

Everyone is in 1/5 tribes and they’re roughly the same size

[untold ingot]

That was all governed by ini, but I do feel like that would make it more enjoyable for more casual players. The map would have to be huge though

[south lance]

is this still a thing

i wanna try out pvp minigame servers but not many around from what ive seen

as far as ark 2 is concerned i think everyone would love a bunch of official minigame servers

rather than the closest available being missions

though it seems like missions are going to be a huge thing regardless

[untold ingot]

Nope, everyone quit that server

[south lance]

rip

[untold ingot]

I feel like mini game servers with a 4 month wipe would be awesome

[south lance]

honestly id like more arcadey ones tbh

sorta like deathmatch length games

or sotf but i never touched sotf so idrk much about it

[untold ingot]

More game modes would be amazing, as long as it still feels like ark

[south lance]

sure yeah

im confused as to why sotf wasnt fully supported way early on especially to take advantage of the battle royale hype

but besides that its a huge missed opportunity to give more casual players who still want to play competitively an outlet in ark

what were the player counts you reckon?

couple hundred? few thousand?

hmm sounds like couple hundred

[untold ingot]

Sotf wasn't really anyones type of game really. The idea had potential, but it just didn't really hold up all that well

[south lance]

hopefully devs are in a good enough place to boost gamemodes that show promise this time around

somewhat related, was primitive plus ever really popular

[untold ingot]

I think it was at the start

[untold ingot]

I think it primarily fell because of support, at least for pve.

[lunar citrus]

SOTF could have done very well if it had more support, yeah

It was a bit too early for the BR craze to really get going, and by the time it did SOTF was rotting

[mighty lion]

Let me dig and cover it

[untold ingot]

Yeah, that would be nice

[wild kraken]

ayo when this shit coming out (estimated time)

im hyped

and very patient hopefully they take their time

[wispy sierra]

No exact date yet, all we know is in the pins

[wild kraken]

ah very cool

hopefully we get family soon

i hope the game will still have pvp aspects

and its not all lore

[ripe cedar]

It will

[tropic crag]

It's actually primarily PvP focused, according to some here. But I highly doubt that, probably the same as Ark 1, both modes will be included I imagine. And it's most certainly not going to be "all lore", nor was the first game lol

[stray elm]

They're 'improving' what made the first game good.
People like the lore, so they're giving it a bit of a more front-view then just notes that 90% of the players will ignore and only get them for the XP boost.
But i highly doubt the lore/story side of ARK-2 is going to be 'forced' just extra rewards if you do.
Like the notes in ARK-1

[untold ingot]

I would love for lore to be forced, but player to human ai reduced lol

[vapid cypress]

How much will ark 2 cost

[wanton pike]

80 euros

[lament chasm]

Guys

Will ark 2 will look like minecraft legends

[ripe cedar]

No

[mint swan]

Not at all. Minecraft legends will have a top view, with a follow camera. The perspective of Ark II will be something like the third person mode in Ark

We will get actual third person in Ark II, not Eagle flight perspective

[minor prism]

Old school gta vision 😂

[mint swan]

When dose this game come out

And will it be on ps4?

[south lance]

Sometime next year and yes

Just like, a good bit after release on pc/xbox

[chilly osprey]

It is set for 2023, it will not be on ps4, it will be exclusive to xbox/Pc at launch, most people think it will come to ps5 6 months to a year later. Only next-gen consoles.

[mint swan]

Wow that’s sucks for me but I get why they doing it they making everyone get new gen

[chilly osprey]

Also so they're not limited by the older generations capabilities.

[ripe cedar]

Old consoles are nearly a decade old its time to move on

[chilly osprey]

I'm just parroting the most common figures people give. We know nothing really about the whens.

[mint swan]

Ark TR

[south lance]

Ark1 had a rockier start tho

Could be likely that ark2 EA is significantly shorter

[mighty lion]

What do you guys think about base items that require certain environmental features? Like a water wheel requires a stream ... etc

[south lance]

Same situation back during ark1 development except now theres way more people with way more experience operating a far better engine

[south lance]

Could be really cool as a way to diversify base building but it could be limiting too

Like if water wheels become the only way to get energy without burning wood that makes controlling rivers pretty valuable, or potentially op

You could balance that out though by offering different regions different significant ad/disadvantages towards certain buildings

Itd complicate balance regardless

But if they could devote a decent amount of time towards it the games better off with it than without

[blissful perch]

My opinion: I’m sold

I think what makes a survival game great isn’t constantly needing to eat food every three seconds. It’s adapting to your surroundings and working with the local environment

Structures that alter where and how people build bases fits squarely within “adapting to the environment” in a way I find wonderful

[wispy sierra]

I think it’s a great idea but best not to overdo it, and make it not super limiting. Every base location should have pros and cons, not one objectively best location

[mighty lion]

I agree, plus the idea of fighting or needing certain areas seems like it would diversify PVP and give life to otherwise barren areas

[mighty lion]

I agree. I think it would work best if locations had pros and cons and there were multiple locations for each environmental requirement

[blissful perch]

Some bases should absolutely be harder than others in terms of environment

[south lance]

Im saying its probably going to be comparatively less, not that itll take no time at all

[blissful perch]

Scarcity of “optimal” locations is what drives the competition we expect to see in PvP

[south lance]

Id prefer fewer "optimal" places as opposed to just a ton of vastly different places which suit different needs

Otherwise optimal just becomes the new mandatory

[blissful perch]

I mean to say that within a category of say rivers some spots simply are worse than others

[south lance]

Sure ig that coukd work

Have a couple decent spots across a couple rivers

Some better for building large bases others better for power generation etc

[blissful perch]

You can also use it as a way to cripple otherwise insanely potent base spots, for example having caves offer little to no power generation beyond expensive fuel hungry generators

[sullen mica]

we need first person..............

[steel sluice]

yes.

[past wind]

We don’t. You do.

[fallow niche]

Unofficials will have the option to use mods, someone can create a mod for it. We have 3rd person.

[somber olive]

its shit

ark has to make a dedicated fps mode for ark 2 or it'll just be a shitty copy of ubisoft games

[blissful perch]

Ark without third person is way worse than ark without first

Since no sane person rides a mount in first

[somber olive]

also if mods was to be the implementation of fps in ark 2, think about the fps mode in gta v lmao

it doesn't even fit even tho its rockstar itself that implemented it, imagine if fps in ark 2 is just a mod

it would be worse, not even the same feel of fps terror of getting chased by dinos in the dark in the first game

[blissful perch]

I feel plenty of fear being chased in MHW by Rajang, and that’s all third person

[sullen mica]

we*

[sonic elbow]

Why hello there.

[empty grail]

u*

[blissful perch]

You wanna tell me you’re insane? 👀

[fallow niche]

Your opinion is that it will be shit. Not mine. No need to ping me.

[winged dome]

Monkey music starts playing

[blissful perch]

Bro when I hear those drums I SHAKE. I’d love to have that sensation in ark 2 lol

I’d love to see ark 2 turf wars, or at minimum some creature fear dynamics where a rex walks in and stuff scatters

[winged dome]

Yeah, that'd be pretty sick

Apex creatures actually carrying weight and smaller critters reacting accordingly

[lime flicker]

Allow us to dig tunnels 😬

[valid apex]

I’m honestly hoping that out of everything. They need to get character/Dino transfers right. Im currently trying to move Dino’s between local maps and it’s just crash after crash. This issue should have been addressed years ago.

[lime flicker]

Same there are some major bugs/glitches currently. On Xbox when you transfer items across Arks, you can’t see them in ark data until you hit the search button, back out and then they appear

[valid apex]

Can’t imagine how bad it is on console. Luckily I’m on PC and I backup my save before I transfer. But I’ve lost a ton of Dino’s in the past offloading from hosted servers to a local save.

[lavish rain]

@blissful perch I don't need to explain

[blissful perch]

Nope. Thankfully multiple folks can take over for me on handling that one 😂

[south lance]

wait till he learns about meshing

[dense ridge]

i hope the toxic elements were well thought about because i want to be able to do boss fights without any problems with other tribes.,

[tropic crag]

I hope boss fights are open world, so that the PvP players suffer 😈

Jk, but seriously open world bosses would be cool again, like Extinction

[mighty lion]

I'm down for no obbs

[lavish rain]

Only if it uses the whole map

Force people to go Unga bunga caveman

[tropic crag]

If you could spawn bosses anywhere on the map, that would certainly be abused, I can promise you that

So that's a no from me dawg

Maybe a truly roaming boss like the Extinction ones were supposed to be, where it can go anywhere on the map it can feasibly access... but that one would have to be weaker that the bog-standard ones, and have a notification when it's entering your map square or something

[untold ingot]

Roaming bosses are a bad idea lol

[tropic crag]

Not if ORP is in place, and works right

[lavish rain]

Pve

[untold ingot]

Uh, even then

[tropic crag]

Although there'd have to be a lot of other pieces fallen in place first to get that to work either way

[untold ingot]

It would be worse on pve than pvp

[lavish rain]

Pve offline damage protection should also mean dinos don't eat on official when offline

[untold ingot]

That can't really be a thing though

[lavish rain]

Yes it can

[tropic crag]

Sure it can lol

[lavish rain]

Offline damage prevention is a thing on official pve

Why not offline starve prevention

[untold ingot]

While keeping the decay timer?

[lavish rain]

Yes

[tropic crag]

Well yeah

Of course

[untold ingot]

Hmmm, that would have one of 2 effects, you hatch babies and log off for a day or two and don't have to raise them at all, or you have to leave babies needing food while offline, which kind of defeats the value of not having to feed dinos while offline

[lavish rain]

Simple

They don't raise if your offline

But in turn only make it take like a day max to raise

[untold ingot]

Yeah, let's encourage more people to have afk accounts running 24/7

[lavish rain]

If babies need food while offline, adults still won't, so unless your raising dinos constantly you won't have to play

[lavish rain]

... they'll still take food if your online

[untold ingot]

Look at the other angle, if you are online, your dinos raise, while everyone else's don't. It's a really easy way to get ahead

[lavish rain]

You still need to feed them and stuff

[untold ingot]

Then everyone does it and the whole point of not feeding dinos is wasted

[tropic crag]

I don't understand your point at all...

[lavish rain]

This only applies to babies though

Most your tames won't need to be fed unless your on 24 hours a day

[untold ingot]

Adults already hardly eat unless you have hundreds of them

[lavish rain]

That's the thing

People have hundreds out

[untold ingot]

I think a better option is just allow dinos to act as their own feeding trough, make them eat every 2 weeks, and then not need food again

[lavish rain]

And there is no official Dino storage confirmed yet

[lavish rain]

It'd be easier to just make it not at all

Hence my offline starve idea

I never said shit about babies

[untold ingot]

I don't think that would accomplish anything though

[lavish rain]

Yes it would lol

All you'd have to do is render in your base and tames every week

Instead of feeding your dinos every other day

You'd only have chores if you were raising babies

[untold ingot]

That's all you have to do anyway unless you have hundreds of dinos. And everyone having hundreds of dinos out shouldn't really be encouraged

[lavish rain]

I agree

[tropic crag]

[lavish rain]

But there is no official Dino storage announced yet

So as far as we know, you HAVE to have hundreds of dinos out

[untold ingot]

On pve?

[lavish rain]

In ark 2, they haven't announced a practical way to store dinos

[untold ingot]

For pvp I could understand, but I feel like the effort required to keep hundreds of dinos out should be exponentially greater

[lavish rain]

I disagree so much

I feel triggered as a pve player

[tropic crag]

Same here, that makes no sense

[fiery wedge]

Games supposed to be able to handle more stuff so maybe we'll have to have stuff out?

[lavish rain]

The chore list for not playing is still so high as is

[abstract birch]

It isn't even confirmed that you can own a ton of dinos, as isn't confirmed how breeding will work or if there is breeding at all.

[lavish rain]

If they can't work out the mutations system, just scrap it

[tropic crag]

Well, if you can own 3 whole dinos, I think it's safe to say it'll be dead on arrival lmao

[untold ingot]

If everyone on the server has 500 dinos out, within days the server will be unplayable, by removing the necessity to feed them it just encourages that

[lavish rain]

Hence why cryopods were added

[abstract birch]

Maybe not 3 but it might be limited to 20.

[lavish rain]

That was an issue on official

[fiery wedge]

Ew

[lavish rain]

That's still super low

[abstract birch]

No one knows by now.

[tropic crag]

I would hate that, or any limit for that matter. If I'm a badass who tames 300 giga equivalent dinos, then I've earned it

[untold ingot]

Yes, I get that it is an issue on official, but by removing offline feeding it basically encourages that type of behavior, and rewards you for doing it. You have tons of free dinos requiring 2 minutes of upkeep a week.

[lavish rain]

We need sonthing like cryopods or some form of mass Dino storage

[abstract birch]

If it is more complex, fun, challenging and interessting to skill a dino a limit or only having a few is not even an issue IMO.

[tropic crag]

It is to me

[abstract birch]

Cause to be fair, mutation was the main reason for a lot of people needing hundrets of dinos.

[lavish rain]

Upkeep shouldn't be a thing, video games are supposed to be relaxing, not a chore

[untold ingot]

Keeping tons of dinos out killing a server should be a chore

[lavish rain]

whole point of ark is taming animals for use

[fiery wedge]

It's a SURVIVAL game

[lavish rain]

F no

[lavish rain]

I shouldn't be punished for not playing

[tropic crag]

I just like owning 100s of reapers, no breeding involved 🤷‍♂️

[untold ingot]

On single player that is fine, or have it an option for unofficial. But for official you should have to compete for a spot even on a pve server

[fiery wedge]

Then play sp

[abstract birch]

Yeah and you can have one or two for every porpous but no need to own 300 Gigas were 298 are only for breeding and the remaining 2 are uses (to overexeggerate)

[lavish rain]

I've lost too many braincells

[tropic crag]

That's cringe

[untold ingot]

You aren't being punished by not playing, but that mechanic would punish others who would be unable to have any dinos

[lavish rain]

We fix the breeding system

[lavish rain]

What.

[abstract birch]

Some game limit breeding by the amount their animals can breed.. cause they get to old, etc.

Like breeding is fine but the random mutation system is total garbage

[untold ingot]

That's not a bad idea

[lavish rain]

Make breeding just imprint bonus

I say scrap mutations and just keep breeding so we can have spare dinos for getting a breeding pair

I say drop color mutations too

[tropic crag]

No other game I've played has had a breeding system like Ark 1, I don't know of any at least, but if they make it imprint only (which I hope they do) then that's all a moot point anyways lol

[abstract birch]

Or give dinos skillsets than can be inherited into babies. Still gives a bit of challenge to breed but is not totaly random and can be limited to a certain amount.

[tropic crag]

I'd be fine with this, only allowing people to merge colors they own

Would certainly make event colors actually desirable lol

[lavish rain]

No, anything that required breeding off more than a few generations should be prohibited

[lavish rain]

Yes!

[abstract birch]

That would only need some generations, not infinite. You could limit it so that a tamed dino has 4 skills and a bred one can have a max of 6 skills (as example), which makes the bred one a bit better but also so you can stop breeding when you have the skills you want.

[untold ingot]

Having to frequently tame new wild dinos to keep a line decent would be a cool mechanic. It woukd both slow down breeding and make it more involved

[lavish rain]

Alright I can see this

[untold ingot]

Some negative effects caused by inbreeding would be cool too

[lavish rain]

I don't know man

[tropic crag]

Agreed

[lavish rain]

I agree but at the same time

Depends on how t works ig

[abstract birch]

Also a breeding limit of one dino would help ensure that.. like a dino can breed only 5-10 times and after that is to old/exhausted to make new babies.

[untold ingot]

I think that would be a great idea

[tropic crag]

Make it a low chance for sure though, but increase as the lines are closer maybe?

[abstract birch]

They did that in one of the survival games and so you had to get new horses to breed further

[lavish rain]

Yeah like how you gonna mate with 5 chick's at the same time? 🤨

[tropic crag]

In reply to the inbreeding stuff

[abstract birch]

Was not possible there. Only 1 on 1

[fiery wedge]

Fivesome baby

[lavish rain]

I was replying to ark logic with 1 male mating with 10 females

[abstract birch]

And you had to choose wisely which ones you did breed with each other

[untold ingot]

Anything to nullify gigantic breeding operations is a plus imo

Also, it would be cool if several varieties of Dino become aggressive, or rage if they are around another of the same gender for two long

Like 2 male trex no way would be happy to sit around in base together

[lavish rain]

Gancha be like

[lavish rain]

What about boss fights

[untold ingot]

Gacha gave me the inspiration, just take that mechanic and make it a bit more broad to all types of dino

[abstract birch]

Boos fights should be more tactical and mechanic reliant than only DPS.

[fiery wedge]

Honestly if you made it so there's no mutations there'd be even more mass breeding way earlier into the game cause people would feel more inclined to just start raising a shitload of stuff because it'll never be an old line

[untold ingot]

You would need a special skill tree build for boss dinos with a skill that reduces the rage

[lavish rain]

That would nullify the mechanic

[untold ingot]

Yeah, this is part of the reason I feel like mutations should be a thing, just reduced and harder to manage

[abstract birch]

And a mechanic like that would make pack dinos more valuable cause they can be handled in groups while rexes maybe are more looners or max with a mate.

[untold ingot]

If the mechanic requires them being neutered it wouldnt

[lavish rain]

Ooo yes yes yes!

[untold ingot]

Like two steers irl don't fight often, but two bulls do all the time

[abstract birch]

Same with horses

[untold ingot]

It's been a bit since I have seen new ideas, but I think we struck gold with these ones lol

[fiery wedge]

Lets be honest if most of these ideas were implemented y'all wouldn't like it cause it would make the game too tedious

[lavish rain]

???

Why would we suggest them then

[fiery wedge]

Because you want something different than what we have now

[abstract birch]

I like games with more challenging and realistic mechanics

[untold ingot]

I mean, I would really enjoy more stuff to do around base in pve, and I feel like pvp would be a bit more chill if breeding got nerfed lol

I think it's a win win

[lavish rain]

The mutations system is too tedious

[fiery wedge]

Breeding being nerfed or not pvp would be the same

[lavish rain]

No it wouldn't lol

[valid apex]

Go one step further.. all Dino’s have an age and die off eventually. With stat decay as they get older..

[lavish rain]

Maybe arkpoc, but not regualr

[abstract birch]

I saw the other breeding system in a game and it was way more chill and made you seek out more horses to a) have a fresh one to breed and cause you were looking for certain skills.

[lavish rain]

Now this one I disagree

We are ageless but our dinos arent?

[fiery wedge]

Yeah it'd probably be less chill cause no people are breeding for mutations and are breeding to pvp instead

[lavish rain]

Plus atlas didn't do well with the age mechanic

[untold ingot]

Hmm, I would have to disagree. These days all the real effort in pvp is farming, doing the same breeding raising over and over, with an occasional raid, then losing everything. It's an afk Sim, with rare fights

[abstract birch]

agin dinos would be pretty meh

[valid apex]

Lol well it’s realistic. Helps Dino population problems. Ensures you will always have something to do and stops powerful pvp tribes staying OP

[abstract birch]

They still will stay OP cause they will allways have more recources and your dinos die too.

[fiery wedge]

Bro literally all you do in pvp nowadays is raid? Farming is effortless with stryder and raising is also with maewings.

[untold ingot]

Yeah, just to be clear, there hasn't really been a single idea in this whole channel in the last year that would make big tribes less op lol, other than maybe a flier nerf, and non-portable cryos

[valid apex]

Well at least they would be working harder to stay at that level.

[lavish rain]

Because it's practically impossible to nerf big tribes

And every idea to nerf them falls flat

[fiery wedge]

Because anything you do to affect them would also affect smaller tribes. It's a survival game, numbers are a great factor for surviving.

[abstract birch]

Big tribes are mostly OP cause they are a lot of people that makes them more effective.

[untold ingot]

Imo it shouldn't be possible to nerf them. Any nerf to them other than just reducing the allowed number of people in a tribe is really unfair to the people who play ark for that type of play style

I would love to see some effort to make bobs lives easier, but not at the expense of other people's playstyles

Other than the afk mass breeding operations, I would love to see those gone

[fiery wedge]

Hey man almost any bob can get into a big tribe tbh

[untold ingot]

With connections yes

[fiery wedge]

Or at least a decent size tribe

[untold ingot]

Not everyone wants that type of game though

[fiery wedge]

No bro I've literally been in tribes where random ass bobs get tribed in every other week

[untold ingot]

I know it happens

[fiery wedge]

I've been in an ice cave with some bob that TAMED DIREWOLVES and bred them so he could get an artifact on island to farm a boss

Instead of just going to crystal

[lavish rain]

He's dumb

[fiery wedge]

I literally told him I'd get him 2 of the artifacts and I did by walking outside of the ice cave NAKED, across the map and walked through the cave and just walked out with the artifact

[lavish rain]

Which one

[fiery wedge]

Hunter and clever

[lavish rain]

Bros a true bob

[lavish rain]

Bob

[lavish rain]

How did he get into the tribe

[fiery wedge]

Idfk

Oh wait a remember

He killed someone with a fabi or some shit a few times when defending his base and one of the leaders thought he was good

[lavish rain]

How tf did he not know to just go to crystal to farm artifacts

[fiery wedge]

Cause bob

[lavish rain]

Why didn't the leader tell him

[fiery wedge]

I told him and he didn't listen

[lavish rain]

Why not

[fiery wedge]

Bro cause people on this game are mentally handicapped or something

[lavish rain]

What was his reasoning

Did he think you couldn't transfer artifacts or sonthing?

[fiery wedge]

He didn't know where they were

Even tho we said to look up a vid of the coords

[lavish rain]

💀

That's mind blowingly stupid of him

[mighty lion]

Had a guys in the tribe for over a year, finally gave him demo rank... and one day later he demoed a tp in main, where its was a few thousand over structure cap.. because he was stuck..

[fiery wedge]

Bruh

[lavish rain]

No oceans pls

[restive gulch]

Excited to play this game

[mighty lion]

79 days till extra life

[lavish rain]

Til no life

[worldly garden]

Exciting!!!

[torn blade]

Anyone how a rough idea when ark2 is gonna be on ea🤣

[wispy sierra]

all confirmed info is in the pins

[blissful perch]

@abstract birch the reason the breeding method you suggest works in that game is because the variance in wild creatures is likely low. In ark 1 at least there’s a lot of RNG behind every tame’s stats that I do NOT want to farm tame RNG constantly because my old male can’t breed anymore after 10 eggs. I’m down for the skill slot idea, especially if the stat variance in wild creatures is low (IE all 150 rex have identical or near identical stats)

As for keeping tons of Dino’s out? Yes it should be costly to do that. Maintenance costs are what drives down base sizes and helps keep people off official servers who aren’t playing

Let’s see. The other thing is that “mutations or not, it won’t change much” means scrap mutations so it’s easier to PvP with less time investment (the whole point of PvP is…PvP right?)

[untold ingot]

Not exactly. If it is easy to get all the end tier stuff, and it all just caps out really fast, it gets boring really fast

[blissful perch]

That’s how it is right now

Sans mutation stacking, but right now you can just trade or steal it

[untold ingot]

Not really, almost every time a new dlcs creatures get capped there is another map dropped with the next one to cap

[blissful perch]

There’s nothing fun about mutation stacking though. 0. Nada.

[untold ingot]

It has kind of given a consistent arms race for the last few years between megas

[blissful perch]

You can do that without mutation stacking

And ofc you don’t need a mechanic entirely tailored to megas either. Holding onto mats for sieges and raids should be plenty arms race if people actually fought more often

[untold ingot]

I don't disagree, my point was that pvp hasn't run out of progression and a sense of urgency for capping creatures in quite some time

It's not just for megas either, it happens on smalls, and on some boosted wipe servers

[blissful perch]

It’s lazy progression, and I say this as bluntly as possible. It’s also not remotely required because a survival game is supposed to by end game be kinda boring

Because you won

If you want a post game that’s fine, but mutation stacking ain’t it

[untold ingot]

I am of the opinion that winning a survival game isn't a thing lol

[blissful perch]

And ofc you can’t make a true post game half the time because the world environment can’t change or scale over time in an MMO setting

[mint swan]

What do you mean?

[untold ingot]

For pvp in specific, and for loads of pve players there isn't a win condition to ark

[blissful perch]

Everyone in a mega beats ark insanely fast. The entire PvP engine operates in the post game

[untold ingot]

For a campaign survival game, sure have a win condition. It isn't a necessary part of the genre though

[blissful perch]

you don’t need a hard end for ark or ark 2, that’s true

[untold ingot]

That happens in every pvp game, even cod lol. The key is having the game built so that post game is still interesting

[blissful perch]

But there obviously needs to be a progression cap

[blissful perch]

COD had extremely minimal (when I played black ops) multiplayer progression that translated into advantage

[untold ingot]

For competitive ark (which megas and try hard smalls is) mutation stacking has filled in this interesting post game

[blissful perch]

Mutation stacking is just the only major arms race that matters

There’s nothing interesting mechanically about it

[untold totem]

I doubt (basically closest to) an AFK idle sim considered as an "interesting post game"

[untold ingot]

It's not well done, but it does give a sense of overall progression

[blissful perch]

Yes, it proves that watching a number rise once over the course of several days is enough to give some folks a dopamine hit

[untold totem]

Plus it makes taming less important when you have a backlog of tames to toss to a Thatch hut

[lavish rain]

What are we even talking about

[untold ingot]

It enables the interesting part of pvp to happen at a higher level, which is what pvp is about

[tropic crag]

Maybe if you're bored of the actual game, sure... I guess

[blissful perch]

No mutations mean people are looking for PvP more and are deploying new creatures sooner

I see that as a massive win. Get PvP happening and drop the delay on getting new stuff integrated

[tropic crag]

No mutations would make the actual fun part happen a shitton sooner

That's an obvious given

[untold ingot]

I am not arguing in favor of keeping mutation caps. I would seriously like to see a significant nerf to them. But they did add a post-game sense of progression for pvp. Obviously it is kind of pointless for pve

[blissful perch]

I’m not even speaking of the fact that PvP is horrendously broken by mutations, since mutations on a PvE tame just run train on the wildlife

[untold totem]

It makes taming to regain numbers more viable

And a good excuse to keep the standard taming methods like ko and normal passive

[blissful perch]

No mutations doesn’t make breeding bad: breeding would still be extremely good if they kept imprints and stat consolidating. I bet that the grind would just change to people going out and taming the best possible rex for melee or hp or whatever and adding it to their line. That’s an arms race I can get behind; since that’s people actually INTERACTING with the world

[untold ingot]

I am not disagreeing that mutations in pvp is completely broken, and makes pve trivial. What I am saying is that something has to fill the gap when mutations inevitably get a nerf

[untold totem]

Tbh even with the "intended cap" people will just breed and breed until they reach cap and start to mass produce, no reason to do taming

[blissful perch]

Correct. And they can be more sloppy with taming because they can just breed the stats in

[untold ingot]

So,basically whoever gets lucky with the rng gets the best line?

[tropic crag]

There doesn't need to be anything to fill the gap, hard disagree there

[untold totem]

Tbh I would like to have a "menopause" limit on the females or males like how some BPs have limited crafting

[blissful perch]

That’s already the case with mutations, given it’s 7/100 per egg

But yes, some RNG there would be fine. The advantage is slim and RNG means it takes a variable amount of time to do something. It ensures more taming takes place and people engage with it more

[tropic crag]

Leave it gaping af, it couldn't be bigger than the gap between those who like to breed for stats for three years and those who don't lol

[blissful perch]

If BP farming wasn’t RNG based I can assure you the mechanic would largely be dropped/abandoned. RNG provides that gambler’s rush

[untold ingot]

That's not rng, usually it is skill in claiming a location where you can safely ensure huge breeding operations. If you have 100 females, and 1 neg mutated male, then there is no rng

[blissful perch]

So in your mind it’s literally only a time gate

[untold totem]

I don't think, leaving them to breed and pray to RNGsus is a "skill"

[blissful perch]

Cool. Drop it even faster then in favor of a grind worthy of PvP

Want better stats? Get out of your base and find them. Fight people for them. Play PvP

[untold ingot]

No, in my mind it offers a definite sense of competition to a game that otherwise lacks it

[blissful perch]

2 megas on different servers sitting around breeding does not sound like competition to me

[tropic crag]

Yeaaaaah, I don't see the point here, the competition should be who tames that 150 rex first

[untold totem]

Yep

[blissful perch]

I don’t mind who tames a 150 with good stats first being the competition

The “golden” rex if you will for hp, etc

[untold ingot]

Well, if you were in one of those megas, you would definitely see it that way lol

[blissful perch]

I’d only see it that way if I fell behind, which I wouldn’t ever fall behind because that mutation grind is almost the exact same speed for all megas. And that’s IF I see the other mega at all lol

[untold totem]

I have watched a stream of my friend who is a part of a megatribe

Kinda boring AF

It's like you are playing PVE on a PVP server

[tropic crag]

They all have the no-lifers, you are 100% correct

Every mega has em

[blissful perch]

It’s not competition if you can’t get ahead imo. And you can’t get ahead if the grind time is largely identical between competitive groups

[untold ingot]

My point isn't an argument in favor of keeping mutations at all though. It is about developing something to work towards in pvp for an extended period of time. If everything is easy to do and you can cap the game in 2 weeks, then officialpvp will die out really quickly after that just like is seen on most wipe servers

[untold totem]

The only action is happening of the other megatribe dump their surplus of already capped tames on them

[tropic crag]

It sounds like the only solution that you are presenting to combat no-lifers getting bored is mutations though, is it not?

[untold ingot]

It is pretty boring the way it is, but it gives something which otherwise is lacking

[wispy sierra]

i agree, there should be interesting postgame stiuff

[blissful perch]

Breeding is legit the only thing to do in ark’s post game so I get that Raq

But…for PvP the players should be providing more incentive to play the game

[tropic crag]

If you have no imagination, sure

[untold ingot]

I am not presenting a solution, only saying that removing mutations is not a long term solution

[untold totem]

Aside from raids

[blissful perch]

As mentioned dozens of times by me, PvP actively incentivizes not engaging in itself

It’s expensive to raid and expensive to be raided, so why seek it out all the time?

[untold totem]

I mean drama between tribes is a reason enough to raid each other

[wispy sierra]

events and bosses could work but at a certain point a tribe will get powerful enough to breeze through any boss

[blissful perch]

Sure, but that’s comparatively rare to my understanding is it not?

[untold ingot]

For the adrenaline rush? Kind of like any pvp game lol

[blissful perch]

Correct me if I’m wrong but raids aren’t going on 24/7 or even close to that

[untold ingot]

On smalls they are

[tropic crag]

That's kinda the point, Players fighting Players, but everyone sits around breeding, that's the point Shifter is making

[untold ingot]

Not for every individual person obviously

[blissful perch]

The end goal of PvP tho is to exhaust someone’s resources or make them quit the server

[untold ingot]

Ark isn't a first person shooter though. If you are looking for fast paced competitive pvp it really isn't the style of game for it

[tropic crag]

You just described all PvP games lol

[untold ingot]

There is no end goal though

Other than having a secure base

[untold totem]

shootergame.exe

[blissful perch]

That is the end goal. You “win” if the all the other guys stop playing and your base is safe forever

[wispy sierra]

what's up with that anyway? why is it called shootergame

[blissful perch]

Default name for a game in the engine

[untold totem]

Unity engine to be specific

[wispy sierra]

only problem is more people will join the server and continually challenge you

[tropic crag]

Maybe for you, the point of most PvP games is to win by a declared standard as defined by the genre (most often times, at least)

[wispy sierra]

oh, so basically "untitled document"

[untold ingot]

With transfers your base is never safe though. That's like saying the end goal of every nation is the destruction of every other nation. It doesn't work that way

[blissful perch]

Never said the victory condition was achievable, just that by nature it’s bad design lol

[wispy sierra]

damn the devs really just forgor to rename it

[untold totem]

And that is how PVP retains it's longevity compared to PVE

PVE has a very clear end goal(s) compared to PVP

[untold ingot]

There is no deared standard of victory in ark, and there hasn't been since transfers first opened

[blissful perch]

Transfers simply mean it’s untenable for a single group to hold enough sway to dominate all servers. But it could certainly trend that way if megas merged. What holds it back is human organizational limits on how many people a mega can hold without fracturing

[tropic crag]

It's not determined by any one person though, it's a combined effort of sorts What Shifter said

[blissful perch]

Official PvP having some structure would go a long way towards making it better but I think WC killed the idea when I suggested it to Dollie lol

[untold ingot]

If your interpretation of end goal is to have a relatively safe location to afk, sure I could see that.

[tropic crag]

If everyone on official PvP joined/merged into the same mega, they would all collectively win, so to speak. It's just a matter of perspective, always will be tbh

[blissful perch]

Is that not what people fight for? That’s the only thing I can see people fighting over is safe base spots to afk in

[wispy sierra]

yeah it's pretty difficult to have a win condition for games like this imo

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I have brought that up as one of the main reasons people enjoy pvp on the large scale

[celest veldt]

I need help
Is there help chanel here?

[blissful perch]

It’s insanely easy but comes at the cost of being less freeform

[tropic crag]

#bobs-with-probs

[untold ingot]

I don't see it as an end goal though

[wispy sierra]

#bobs-with-probs my friend

[celest veldt]

Thank you 🙂

[wispy sierra]

rephrase: hard to have a GOOD win condition

[blissful perch]

There’s always an end goal being trended towards in any game. Finding it isn’t always easy but for ark it’s 100% just securing a base and keeping it “forever” by driving away all possible threats

[wispy sierra]

as in, a win condition that goes beyond

"yep, you're a god now and can afk in base all day"

[blissful perch]

Seasonal territory wars, king of the castle, etc are all valid ways imo to spice up the content for PvP. But wc perhaps correctly isn’t doing that stuff with ark 2 on release, and PvP will be PvP from ark 1 in that regard

[untold ingot]

Most people who play pvp just do it for a few days, get wiped and start over. The end goal is the experience and the fun of it, not any tangible in game achievement

[blissful perch]

I’m still praying mutations get the boot, but the actual structureless environment of PvP isn’t going anywhere

[celest veldt]

Whats this chanel for?

[untold ingot]

It's what makes ark as a genre different from so many other games

[split dove]

Ark 2 my friend

[blissful perch]

Yes the whole ark rust conan etc genre of survival PvP games

[untold ingot]

I would enjoy seeing a lot of that in ark2

[blissful perch]

The genre that has not figured out how it works yet

[celest veldt]

Oh... Which ark is best? (Im on mobile so ig i dont have many options)

[blissful perch]

Dollie confirmed we won’t see it at the launch of ark 2 🤷‍♂️

[untold ingot]

It just works different

[blissful perch]

Every single one of those games has major player bleed problems and complaints about how PvP is structured

[untold ingot]

So does a more structured game, that's just how people work

[tropic crag]

Because it doesn't belong, but I digress

[blissful perch]

The entire genre is struggling to figure out what works best for itself

[blissful perch]

You mean the genre fundamentally is flawed and thus shouldn’t exist?

[tropic crag]

No, PvP doesn't belong in survival games lmao

Just my opinion, until proven otherwise by a game that does it right

[blissful perch]

That would qualify as “the genre is fundamentally flawed” lol

[untold ingot]

Ark isn't entirely a survival game though

[blissful perch]

The genre is “survival pvp”

[tropic crag]

It's primarily survival, let's be real here

[blissful perch]

It’s primarily rpg. See: BP farming, breeding, etc

[tropic crag]

The PvP is tacked on, like every other survival game you mentioned

[untold ingot]

Yeah, while some people play taming simulator survival, others are playing a complicated rts strategy game

[blissful perch]

I assume you’re referring to two different games

[untold ingot]

I am referring to ark

[blissful perch]

0 people in ark are playing an RTS

[tropic crag]

Agreed

[untold ingot]

That is what a mega is

[blissful perch]

I’ll give you tactical shooter

[untold ingot]

What an alpha is

[blissful perch]

I’ll give you an MMO guild even

But ark moves way too slowly to ever be seen as an RTS

[untold ingot]

Ark has enough breadth and flexibility to basically be any type of game play you want it to be, it just doesn't have the ui to capitalize on that

[blissful perch]

You are not managing the gathering and deployment of resources (you’re just stockpiling “all”), you are not micro managing units to the degree an RTS demands, and there is no win condition and thus no macro strategic aspect

[untold ingot]

I am guessing you have never taken part in a server war

[tropic crag]

Ehh, dinosaur survival game is what was written on the initial store pages, that's what it is to most players

All I'm gonna say

[blissful perch]

A server war as I’ve seen them is identical to a tactical shooter, except your resources are limited

I’m not disparaging tactical shooters either, it’s a great genre. But it’s not RTS

[untold ingot]

A tactical shooter rarely has order and strategy

[blissful perch]

I’ve not heard much strategy for most wars I’ve watched

Unless by strategy you mean “exhaust other team’s players and resources”

[tropic crag]

No one person acts as the commander, let alone from a point of view that is unachievable in Ark lol. RTS is far and above what Ark could ever be

[untold totem]

Oh gooood

RP PVP wars are a new kind of beast

[blissful perch]

Idk about above, but it’s just not the same experience whatsoever

[lavish rain]

Exo mek has RTS

[blissful perch]

I wouldn’t want minecraft or mario to be an RTS either

[untold ingot]

That's not true lol, every serious server war I have been in had a definite commander lol

[blissful perch]

Right but a server war is in essence a battle, a struggle between the tactical deployment and choices made by the players within it

[tropic crag]

You get the gist, though. Not trying to say RTSs are better, just hard to find the phrasing lol

[blissful perch]

If you wanted a true strategy experience you’d need to go farther. You’d have to win on the server war -> chase the tribe to their servers -> wipe them entirely off the game

But that’s from what I’ve seen not what plays out

[untold ingot]

That happens

[tropic crag]

But was he untouchable? Was he managing every aspect of the battle, from his side of things? If not, then it doesn't really meet the criteria, I'm afraid

[blissful perch]

Megas full wipe each other?

[untold ingot]

Yes megas full wipe each other lol

[blissful perch]

Must be rare, at least from what I’ve seen

[untold ingot]

It's not often, but it happens

[tropic crag]

Once in a blue moon, maybe. But still not close to an RTS as they just build back up

[untold totem]

Because it's a very active and very long war of attrition

[blissful perch]

Need a strategic end goal to be an RTS

Full wiping the other mega is the best end goal ark 1 will offer lol

[untold totem]

I mean yeah

[untold ingot]

Rts is real time strategy, it's broad and unspecific term as far as I am aware

[tropic crag]

It's a defined genre, I can assure you

[blissful perch]

It does have some definitional elements imo, such as promoting macro and micro strategic thinking

[untold totem]

I mean ARK is the closest we get to a 1st person RTS tbh

[blissful perch]

Natural selection 2 is a FPS/RTS

Ark is miles away from that, and that’s acceptable because it never wanted to be that

[untold totem]

You will be surprised that once you are in a discord server during a server war

It kinda feels like that and that was before Exo Mek exists, that would've been a good tool for commanders

[tropic crag]

Battlefield games have had commanders before, doing RTS style things

[blissful perch]

I believe those were lumped into “tactical shooter”

[tropic crag]

Yeah, just an example though of how it's not quite the same thing

[blissful perch]

Since those games involved micro strategy (tactics) to win a battle rather than a war (which is composed of many battles and is usually considered strategy)

[untold ingot]

Ark does that though

Or rather you have to do that to make ark on a large scale work

[blissful perch]

Does it promote that? Or is that instead born out of complete anarchy naturally generating leadership and organization?

[untold ingot]

I don't see the difference between the two really

[untold totem]

Meanwhile me playing RP ATLAS with a full blown ship to ship combat with captains yelling commands at players on cannons

[blissful perch]

I do. If I make a game where I stick 400 players in a pit and say “form teams if you want, whoever survives at 2:00 wins” that’s not an RTS

Even if people form groups and someone leads them strategically, that’s not the game’s genre

[tropic crag]

Hard agree

[untold totem]

Bear in mind someone has to whistle the AI dinos as well

That is pretty much a micro manage right there

[blissful perch]

It’s conflating human social behavior with a game genre

[blissful perch]

I have to bark orders on a SoT ship too. Is that game now a strategy game?

[untold ingot]

If rts is a specific genre that requires specific ui enhancements, then possibly I used the wrong term.

[untold ingot]

And yet almost no other game has the same thing occurring

[tropic crag]

I was thinking the same thing when Atlas was brought up lol

[blissful perch]

All game genres consist of guidelines/restrictions put on players + player expectations + primary game loop behavior

There’s a lot more games trying to mix genres than before

[untold ingot]

The point I was trying to make before we got completely sidetracked is that there are a ton of different play styles and roles in ark, even if they aren't specified on a wiki or in a ui

[untold totem]

Except SoT has limited player (per ship) and ship(per server) count

[blissful perch]

A game with little to no guidelines like ark simply allows human behavior and social structures to pilot the experience in the case of PvP. And humans naturally strategize

[tropic crag]

Ark is really good at blurring the intended primary genre, I can agree there for sure

[untold totem]

I mean yeah especially with mods and dedicated unofficial servers

[blissful perch]

Can I yank more players out of the sea in Atlas to man my ship? If not, it’s the same scenario but with different playercounts

[untold ingot]

That is the point I was trying to make in the first place lol

[blissful perch]

That’s why it’s a sandbox lmao

The whole goal of a sandbox is to let players define their experiences

[untold ingot]

It's not a survival game, it's a blend of a huge number of types of game

[tropic crag]

Well, I'm glad we've come full circle. Time to sleep, lol. Gn all

[untold totem]

Surprisingly yes "benchside" ships exists but that gets sidetracked to quickly and I prefer to get back to ARK 2

[untold ingot]

That's why people are having issues with the third person and souls like combat, because they are used to playing a certain style of game, that is likely not going to be a primary style in ark2

[blissful perch]

I mean the point for ark 2 is the game’s gonna be the same in that regard

It’s gonna be open ended and up to players to define their objectives and experiences

[untold ingot]

Pvp is rarely open-ended as far as methods go, it takes a great deal of skill, talent and planning on the part of the dev team to make a pvp sandbox balanced

[untold totem]

I am still curious what would ARK 2 be like massive combat wise

It will be like what the first Last Oasis intended but with dinosaurs?

[blissful perch]

It’s open ended how you choose to play. I made no statement about the micro playstyles that emerge once you’ve chosen to be a solo vs mega etc

[untold ingot]

I did make those statements though 😅

[blissful perch]

You can choose to be in a mega as freely as you can choose to play with friends for a week until you’re wiped 🤷‍♂️

I mean a PvP sandbox by nature doesn’t have to be balanced

[untold ingot]

Playing in a mega is an entirely different game, and at that level it actually feels a bit balanced

[blissful perch]

You give players tools and they make use of them, and as a dev team you watch and maybe tweak them somewhat if they’re broken

But you don’t have an incentive to micro tweak everything because if one thing is OP, everyone can just use it 🤷‍♂️

It’s not like League where if a hero is OP only one person per team can use it and you feel sacked because you can’t deploy that hero if your teammate picked it

[untold ingot]

There is more to balance than just using op items though

[blissful perch]

If shadowmanes are OP, everyone can ride one lol. It’s really only the actually broken stuff like astro outranging turrets that needs quick correction

[blissful perch]

There is, but why mess with that in a sandbox?

[untold ingot]

Because it makes the game terrible of not done right

[blissful perch]

I’ve seen very limited balance if any for most ark 1 creatures. I suspect it’s because there’s no reason to do so dev wise

[untold ingot]

The older ones sure, almost everyone of the new ones has been nerfed or fixed in some way though

[blissful perch]

The new creatures release as OP -> they get a nerf is the usual trend

Manas needed two

The most common fixes tho are bug related, and for the new stuff it’s often taming bugs

[untold ingot]

Generally speaking yeah

[blissful perch]

If I was a dev I would touch balance as rarely as possible too: why tell someone who spent time making lines “btw your creature is nerfed”

You only screw with that if absolutely necessary

[untold ingot]

Constant tweaks to balance like cod does is incredibly toxic for a dev team to do. But having the game be balanced is just good practice

[blissful perch]

You can’t get balance without tweaks in response to people playing the game

[untold ingot]

For illustration, single raptor cannot beat single Rex, but pack of 8 raptors might be able to over time. Regardless of how many skills or levels the creatures get, that type of balance should exist between tamed v tamed, tamed v wild, and wild v wild

[blissful perch]

That’s not remotely what most people mean when they say “balance”, which is more a metric on (for ark) how viable creatures are in comparison to one another

Breaking ark 1 balance means a creature wildly over or under performs against the others in terms of viability

You’re right that game design must also balance power levels of each creature, but that’s not what people tend to mean with “balance”

[untold ingot]

If by balanced people mean that you should be able to fight on whatever and make it effective, then that is definitely not going to happen. But having some level of predictability between creature classes and their capabilities would go a long way

Ark1 has no balance, it has caps. I see a pretty distinct difference between the two

[blissful perch]

Ark 1 has balance. A capped raptor gets deleted by a capped rex or giga

[untold ingot]

Almost every balancing change I have seen was a cap to a creature or item, but it didn't balance them

[blissful perch]

The PvE is borked horribly by mutation stacking, but if you compare apples to apples there is relative balance

And no by balanced I mean that there’s no creature that is always viable or never viable

Manas at release were always viable -> not balanced

[untold ingot]

There are a lot of creatures that are never viable

[blissful perch]

Correct. Also not balanced. Which is what TLC sought to fix

[untold ingot]

That's the point I was making. Ark1 balance is usually establishing an upper limit to what creatures can do, while not really caring about the lower limit. It's balance is pretty heavily skewed, whereas it might be better to be more of a guassian if you know what those terms are

[blissful perch]

That’s how sandbox balancing normally goes

The upper limit is where most of the play happens, so it’s where most of the attention is focused (for players at least, if not also devs)

[untold ingot]

I feel like other games do balance a bit better

[blissful perch]

If you had wipes? Now the other limits matter because people are in an arms race to progress

A raptor’s viability spikes if post wipe taming one sets you ahead of others who went straight for the rex and are still waiting for it to tame

[untold ingot]

That difference lasts for all of like 25 minutes before someone rolls in on a pt or an argy

[blissful perch]

Obviously in practice nobody does that, but the point is that the lower power options will remain useless if the community simply moves past them once and never returns to them

Note runs sack ark 1 progression too much to really see what I’m describing anymore, but the principle is the same

[untold ingot]

An example of balance. In most fps games there is some type of sniper that does a one-shot if you hit the correct area, but it's hard to use and usually requires a lot of practice/knowledge of the gun. Other guns are easier to use but don't kill as fast and don't have long range, while others like shotguns kill very fast close range, but not at range. The more dangerous weapons take a lot more skill to use. On the flip side in ark, the op weapons like gigas, desmodus, flamethrowers, and shadowmane take almost no skill, and completely destroy everything else. It's not balance at all

That was more of an essay than I intended lol

[blissful perch]

Very few tames in ark use still atm so i suspect ark 2 will open up the ability to balance more like that as well as via definitional strengths and weaknesses (like sg range or sniper fire rate)

[untold ingot]

I would love to see some more specific classes of dinos with differing levels of skill and perks , rather than a generic motley of dinos

[sonic dawn]

I play primarily PvE so Im hoping that PvE gets some good balancing passes in this iteration of Ark

[lavish rain]

Everyone would play a zoner in pvp

[lime flicker]

Honestly Dino skill trees would be sick

and character skill trees

More versatility the better in my opinion

[mighty lion]

It would be cool if the maxed skill tree had a unique perk at the top for each creature. Only unlockable once all other perks are claimed.

[blissful perch]

Unique creature skill would also be cool. Maxed skill trees would be interesting but I’d actually prefer it be impossible to max out a skill tree

Offer ways to spec creatures for slightly different niches perhaps would be more fun

[mighty lion]

I could see that and it's probably given the current point/ level caps ark 1 has. How do you feel about the ability to reset skill trees? Ac vahalla implemented it and it lowers the anxiety about picking perks

[untold ingot]

For a character sure, for a Dino that defeats the whole purpose of not being able to max the tree out

[blissful perch]

I’m ok with mindwipe for players and mindwipe for tames. Perhaps two different crafts though?

[blissful perch]

Disagree. Not being able to max means you can’t have all possible skills at once. Mind wipes simply allow you to respec with different limitations than you had the first time

If I can get 10 of 20 possible skills, and I want to choose a different 10, that should be allowed (for a fee)

[mighty lion]

I'd love a dino mindwipe. Would save me from sacrificing tames when tribemates level them into dumb stuff

Make the craft requirement something reasonably difficult to get

[split dove]

the almighty oxygen giga 😂

[blissful perch]

I think the benefit of skills over stats for leveling up would be that such a respec doesn’t have really bizarre effects like a massive change in damage output or empty hp/food

Obviously someone in your tribe could troll with it, but then again they can do that with putting points in 😅

[mighty lion]

Bruh, had a dude level his reaper in all oxygen because someone told him it would let them stay in the ground longer without suffocating.

[blissful perch]

Ok that’s funny tho. But a dino respec doesn’t seem like a bad idea

[mighty lion]

I agree

[winged dome]

Hm.
If creatures are improved by a skill trees instead of leveling up stats, what would be the benefit of taming high level creatures?

Maybe all creatures get an amount of 'post tame skill points'? Or their base stats are different like Ark1 which would promote breeding for the best baseline creature?

[blissful perch]

High level creatures could be the ONLY way to get better stats

IE the stats are fixed once tamed beyond passive skills that add say 10% max hp or whatever

[winged dome]

Hm, that would make frequent taming trips to look for better baseline stats more viable

More competition for popular creatures - more potential open world PvP

[blissful perch]

Yea I’ve been thinking that may be a good way to get people out into the world

For PvE people still have stats that are “good enough” and for PvP folks that want to spend tons of time hunting for that extra edge via mutations in their base? Now there’s a way to get the edge and steal it from others

[untold ingot]

I personally see a Dino respec not necessarily bad, but not good either. It kind of defeats the purpose of needing a variety of skills from the same Dino type

[south lance]

I think thatd be mostly preferable

Well, depending on how powerful breeding is and such

All purpose mounts kill the use of many other potential mounts

[untold ingot]

I don't think it is. If the skills do stuff like decrease aggression, then doing a respec doesn't make sense

[south lance]

I dont really follow what you mean by decreased aggression

Though now that i think about it i think it would be pointless

[untold ingot]

Like a perk to make gigas rage for less time or something

[south lance]

Since being able to respec means you can effectively minmax a dino for tons of purposes and defeating my point of fewer all purpose mounts