ark-2

[split dove]

you can kill it if you're fast enough iirc

[blissful perch]

You get some amount of time to shoot it, after that it teleports to the owner so it can’t be followed (so I’ve read)

My experience with the hawk was it died on my shoulder in the drake area of Fjordur to what I assume was radiation

[mighty lion]

That makes sense. That things is pretty OP

[blissful perch]

For ark 1 balance it’s nuts

I think for ark 2 it’s probably also kinda nuts to put basically a new death system as a tame mechanic

[untold ingot]

I mean, in the pvp side of things there is no tame in ark ever released that is quite as broken and op as a fjord hawk imo

It is basically a tp that costs wild sheep instead of ele, and makes it so you never lose a kit

[blissful perch]

well yes, but imo you shouldn't drop your inventory on death anyway :p

[ocean tendon]

laughs in pre nerfed mana

[untold ingot]

Fjord hawks are more op than Manas ever were lol

[mighty lion]

Its typical for them to release a op tame and then nerf

[blissful perch]

It’s OP in ark 1 terms but I could absolutely see this being the norm in ark 2

PvP is altered such that across the board death is less painful and looting people takes a different approach that still rewards raids and looting bodies

[inner dagger]

No any tek in ark 2 ? Is that true ?😅

[ripe cedar]

Yes

[inner dagger]

Rip

[bitter kelp]

Honestly I’d be fine if Ark 2 didn’t have guns or fliers

And Tek just seems out of place

I also think that, instead of a dossier system, the game would benefit from a Pokédex-esq compendium (again, like Breath of the Wild) that you can fill out with information by observing, taming and killing creatures

Because currently a lot of the game seems very “fuck you, google it”

Especially breeding

[stray elm]

Is that referring to ARK-2's setting, or not suiting ARK as a whole?

[bitter kelp]

Ark as a whole

[worldly badger]

No

Well yes actually

I mean no to fjordhawks

I cant tell you how many kits ive been denied due to these stupid hawks and a TELEPORT

Like personally i think they should either not tp for 30 seconds or until they leave render

[stray elm]

Don't know how.

ARK has always had sci-fi stuff.
So a sci-fi tier wasn't out of the question.

[ripe cedar]

It will still have scifi stuff but i think its mainly just no tek tier in terms if items and structures

[stray elm]

They where referring as ARK as a whole, not just ARK-2

[abstract birch]

Might even happen again in Ark2 at some point there will be a SiFi Tier in some years.

[lime forge]

Sci fi gauntlets that let the user throw fireballs!

[lavish rain]

Why can't the tek gauntlets do this

[lime forge]

You’d have to ask WC. If I developed the game they would.

[mighty lion]

What about a small magma pup creature that can attach to your hand ( or shoulder ) that shoots small versions of a magma splash? And burns you if used too much

[edgy coral]

Guys, imagine if the charcodontosaurus is for ark 2, i would go insanse. hwat about you guys?

[lime forge]

Shoulder pets firing fireballs on command would be 100 percent acceptable imo

[split dove]

the primitive shoulder canon

[mighty lion]

I'm always for new dinos, but what sets it apart from other large carnivores?

[blissful perch]

Maybe that’s why it isn’t out in ark 1 yet lol

[south lance]

Fjordhawk makes me concerned about their ability to balance meta come ark2

Wonder if primitive-ascendent system should exist in ark2

I dont really like rng quality on top of loot but it does make getting something decent nice ig

Seems unnecessary though

[split dove]

i'm hoping that the component based item crafting replaces the rng blueprint system

[blissful perch]

With no RNG there is no grind, at least not the hundreds/thousands of hours grind people seem to want in ark

[blissful perch]

In fairness imo death should be naturally like the one the fjord hawk offers. Traveling across the map because all your stuff drops on death is a basic and imo poor game design choice. There are other ways in PvP and PvE to manage death to provide disincentive without being tedious

[south lance]

Id say there could still be grind depending on what sorta goals end up existing in place of rng based achievement

[south lance]

I think theres 2 ways to go about deaths in game

Well, theres an obvious 2 ways

Lose your kit thus losing progress, or not

With ark i think the issue is how much time is required to regain stuff until some threshold is reached

After which stuff doesnt really matter

Actually nvm ima go do something before this tangent

Yeah honestly idrk how youd change ark death system for the better

I think its as close as it could get to good, besides certain things outside the death system making it tedious to work with

Being unable to get loot from a body is really shitty for pvp

So you cant just have a system where you cant lose your stuff

At least for pvp

Pve maybe ig

[lime forge]

Loss of experience and skill experience is another popular option.

[south lance]

But the game being a survival game its kinda necessary to have some risk to your items

I just wish you didnt need some bare minimum amount of time required to comfortably play across the map

Like needing a decent flak set to even use most of the map for example cause of temperature

And just not getting mauled by dinos if you arent chronically on a tame

[untold totem]

I mean trying to survive temperature changes and extremes are also part of "trying to survive"

[south lance]

Yeah but its not a fun part about survival

Its like food/water which i think everyone hates as is currently implemented

[untold totem]

Survival is not fun IRL tbh

[south lance]

Yeah it isnt, which is why games shouldnt try to emulate all aspects of it

Just the parts that get people excited

Making something you put effort into, defending it and yourself from the worlds creatures, etc

Temperature can be a mechanic but not as ubiquitous as it is

[untold totem]

It's no longer a survival game but rather a base defense game like Original Fortnite: Save The World

[south lance]

Especially since the heating effect also forces greater need for water

So youre saying ark becomes base defense once you have a decent set of armor and some food?

Cause thats literally all you need to essentially avoid 99% of temperature and consumption requirements

You arent spending any signifcant portion of your gameplay afterwards maintaining those stats

[untold totem]

In a sense yes but that is ARK 1

If you remove "trying to survive environmental changes and extremes" from ARK 2 then you are just defending your base against random spawn of wilds or people raiding you

[south lance]

Do you want to constantly go out and farm meat to cook every 2 hours?

Or to always stay near a fire or to always be near a water source/carry 20 canteens around?

I mean im not going to dismiss all environmental effects but as they are implemented in game i think they are shit generally

Things like radiation is fine since its not something you always deal with

But youre always dealing with needing water literally every 3-5 minutes if you use sprint at all

Or food if its really cold

Which is just annoying imo

Its not even realistic at this point

Even if you account for accelerated game day cycle

All other aspects are superhuman but these for some reason are way worse than human

[blissful perch]

A good survival game that uses food and water makes those resources rare and valuable

In a good survival game most normal water is unpotable or provides a debuff. I think for ark 2 it would be better to not take this route but instead offer buffs for people who take the time to make more complex foods. Ideally ones that don’t spoil in 5 seconds and are thus never worth using over meat

[south lance]

Id like not needing to burn through a couple stacks of meat every 20 minutes just cause i need to run a kilometer or something

But most problematic is the water

[blissful perch]

A saturation system for eating better quality food is a common tactic

Water is rough because ark has no “beverages”. It would be interesting if they had stackable water sources. Ideally also not allowing players to chug sea water would be another interesting option

[south lance]

I mean you can make custom food

There is a beverage option but ime they are shit

[blissful perch]

Custom food and really everything but meat spoils too fast imo to be worth it for the average player

[south lance]

Or maybe i just had a tribe who made shitty beverages idk

[blissful perch]

I mean it looks like a beverage but idk how much water it can restore

[south lance]

I dont really have an issue with the spoil timer especially for narcotics

Its just the volume and frequency of consumption

[blissful perch]

Narcotics has no timer lol

[untold totem]

In ATLAS you have to dig on the ground to get water

[south lance]

No i meant for making them

The spoiled meat timer being short makes making narc nice

[south lance]

This sounds way better than current system alr

As long as you can make a well across most of the map

Thus being able to get water to your base way less messily than with 400 pipes

[untold totem]

Water reservoir is technically a well but a rain based well

[south lance]

Fuck piping

Reservoir is ok

[split dove]

one destroyed pipe and you're at it for 30 min again 😅

[south lance]

I prefer more stable source tho

[untold totem]

Also ATLAS has wells too but you need to plant in on a 100% richness or above to get more water per time

This is also one of those "we need both" aside from making the grappling hook handheld when there is no crossbow

Or a hybrid system of rain catcher and well

[south lance]

Im fine with options as long as there are cool

If you wanna have a whole piping system from the lake on the other side of a mountain or if you wanna dig till you find water or collect rainwater

[blissful perch]

A water table for ark 2 would be cool. Meaning beyond X distance from water you can’t dig to form wells

I also wish the radius where resources respawned around a base was a bit tighter. It sucks to have to build a base and never have a way to incorporate the environment after the fact

[untold totem]

same,refertilizer sucks

[fiery wedge]

Did you really just say custom food spoils too fast lmao

That shit takes like two irl days to spoil once

[blissful perch]

Is the timer not dependent on the food you make? Perhaps I’m horrible at it lol

[fiery wedge]

No the timers always the same

[blissful perch]

Huh

[fiery wedge]

Custom food is the only thing people eat lol

Why would I eat cooked meat when I have 20 custom foods that each give me 200 food and heal me 300 hp lol

[blissful perch]

Valid. I didn’t do much experimenting with that system so I couldn’t speak much for it

[heavy snow]

will they remodel some dinos to look more realistic?

[fiery wedge]

They were in the trailer so yeah

[fiery wedge]

If you mindwipe to a crafter and make custom foods as a crafter then they're way better. The recipe I said only costs 20 raw meat and I had just over 1500 crafting skill when I made it.

[heavy snow]

the dinos in the beggining of the trailer are raptors?

[blissful perch]

Which one? The most recent one?

[split dove]

if it is ***that ***trailer, yes those are raptors

[heavy snow]

interesting

[blissful perch]

I love what they did with raptors btw. Same for the rex

I hope they can get somewhat close to that level of realism in animation for the ingame movement

[split dove]

raptors is now just a oversized version of the real thing

[heavy snow]

yeah

imagine that the raptors were actually realistic

[blissful perch]

Bro don’t sleep on irl Utah raptors. Those things were huge

I actually almost cried in a museum that had a skeleton of a Utah raptor and a quetz. You feel so damn HUMBLED looking at animals like that who shared our planet

[heavy snow]

and the bugs

there were moths the size of like eagles

[blissful perch]

Hawk sized dragonflies sit in the “that’s cool” category

But seeing a quetz skeleton, knowing that wonderful animal ruled the skies and is gone from us forever? That shit hit different

I’d love to see wild fliers that are more of a threat to grounded players but idk if we’re gonna get that

[fiery wedge]

Ew

[blissful perch]

I’d love to be in certain biomes where there’s a threat of a flying creature you can’t see through the canopy or in the clouds

[fiery wedge]

We already have enough of that in the first game

Oh wild

[blissful perch]

Yea I corrected that to be more clear lol. I think we agree about tames

[fiery wedge]

Yeah if you get picked by a wild pt or some shit that's dumb lol

[blissful perch]

Idk about picked by a wild PT lol, but getting picked by a wild quetz would be pretty cool

But it would have to be rare and in certain areas of the map lol, otherwise it’s just trolling

[fiery wedge]

That would just try to eat you lol

[blissful perch]

Who said you’d be picked up by anything other than the beak 😆

[fiery wedge]

Didn't they eat fish and small stuff only?

[blissful perch]

Quetz? In fairness we’re “small” to a quetz

I think the current thinking is they lived like storks? So that would track

[split dove]

iirc the quetzal was bigger than a giraffe?

[blissful perch]

It is. I have a picture of a skeleton of one, and I still feel humbled

Can’t stress enough how anyone who likes prehistory should see a quetz skeleton if they can. It’s just unreal

[wispy sierra]

Amazing that something that big can fly

I mean, airplanes, but still.

[fiery wedge]

Airplanes have jets

[wispy sierra]

Yep

[fiery wedge]

Quetz probably had bones like birds do or something

[blissful perch]

Airplanes also use stupid amounts of energy to fly compared to an animal (they’re also way heavier lol)

[wispy sierra]

Realistically a quetz would probably be the only flyer you could actually mount and ride

[blissful perch]

Boooo realism 👎

[wispy sierra]

Yeah booo, let me ride a dimorphodon

[blissful perch]

I sense a (stricter) tame limit in ark 2, but I will say I miss the meme dimorph swarms

[fiery wedge]

If they're increasing structures I don't see why not increase tames

That and there's probably not going to be cryos

[blissful perch]

no dino storage is a bad move...so I suspect we'll see it

and also, horde fights against dimorphs with souls combat sounds sus...so I'm wondering if there will be limits on that

[fiery wedge]

Is no dino storage really such a bad move considering that we're going to be able to build much bigger less laggy bases?

Only storage we'll have will probably just be uploads hopefully

[blissful perch]

Hard to say: I find my base is way too cluttered with managing tames in the world but that’s me

[blissful nest]

I am excited and scared at the same time about the alien topic. Excited because majority of the creatures we've had on ark are dinosaur related or mythological, the closest to aliens we've had are gasbags, reapears, and and the bloodstalker which kinda looks like something that'd be on an alien movie, so I am really looking forward to it. However my fear is that ark II willl be saturated with aliens meaning that there'll be more aliens than dino's. I really think that it should be balanced, same amount of dinosaurs and same amount of aliens. And yes, I do have the hope for an 'Owlbear' to be added as a passive tame or something, who knows.

[blissful perch]

I loathe the mythology creatures personally

[blissful nest]

understandable. Some mythology creatures are hard to fight or just plain annoying. Like for real I've found like 5 basilisks in Portal "Easiest."

[blissful perch]

I much prefer the speculative biology/novel creatures like the gasbags and bloodstalker

[blissful nest]

Gas bags are stupid adorable

But yeah, I am really scared that there'll be an unsupportable amount of aliens

[blissful perch]

I think it makes sense to have lots of aliens given we’re on their planet. But I suspect it won’t be the case because ark

[split dove]

we're on a alien planet, there **will **be aliens other than the aratai for sure

[blissful perch]

Hopefully griffens and other obvious mythology creatures don’t make it. They murder immersion

[twilit sky]

I’m horrified wondering if there will not be otters

[split dove]

they can't take our adorable critters

[twilit sky]

Right !

[blissful nest]

they took dodo's away in scorched earth

[blissful nest]

Yeah, I know and I am hyped for that.

[blissful perch]

The newest trailer does hard confirm ark 2 has dodos

[blissful nest]

Ye, ik

[split dove]

now we need ark 2 dodo plushes for giveaways so i can have another

[blissful perch]

I fear lightpets won’t make it, and those were peak adorability

[split dove]

shinehorn was the cutest

[blissful nest]

ark...dodo...PLUSHIES?!

WHERE?!

I need them. Need them.

[blissful nest]

Biggest fan for Glowtails

[split dove]

giveaways and contest from time to time, currently you can only win a dodo/noglin plush or noglin hat

[blissful perch]

I’m a hard featherlight fan

[blissful nest]

oh there's no store?

[blissful perch]

The only light pet I hunt down for sport are shine horns

[split dove]

you monster

[blissful nest]

You don't kill light pets.

That's a sin

[mighty lion]

Did you play before cryos?

[fiery wedge]

Yes

Played since legacy

Played when ascendant was red lol

[blissful perch]

I kill shinehorns to restore the balance of people not killing them as much as nature

[split dove]

ah yes the old times, where rocket launchers could get higher quality

[fiery wedge]

Yeah lol

[blissful nest]

you monsters.

[fiery wedge]

When you could stick a trike on someone's base and turrets wouldn't switch to shoot rockets

[blissful nest]

I only kill bulbdogs. DodexX just killed the chat.

[blissful nest]

joke BTW

bruh Ark2SpecialEditionXbox Plz writting an essay

[mighty lion]

Just wondering, I definitely dont want to go back to having all our tames out in base adding to lag and clutter.

[blissful nest]

can't say much.

I did as well

[fiery wedge]

Yeah but the games supposed to support that much stuff this time around

[mighty lion]

I know it's supposed to support bigger built and larger loads on the servers, I still think itd be a step backwards for ark

[blissful nest]

Vulcanodon should be added to ARK II and have an ability like the cryolophosaurus from the mod that it can spit out lava.

joke btw

[blissful perch]

Add an emoji to signify a joke 😂

[fiery wedge]

What kind of storage for dinos that isn't cryos or basically cryos would be a step forwards?

[blissful nest]

I will m8 😂

[split dove]

we have discussed a new storrage replacing cryopods extensively numerous times, a stable structure that acts as a mini obilisk

[tropic crag]

... a buildable dino pen structure, which has been mentioned here endlessly? Lmao

[fiery wedge]

So a transmitter

[split dove]

primitive one basicly

[fiery wedge]

I don't stalk the chat

[blissful nest]

Soul orb?

[fiery wedge]

So uploads?

[blissful nest]

I forgot their names, I do know they are in primal fear

[blissful perch]

The goal is no pokeballs, yes cryofridge or something similar

[blissful nest]

Obelisk but buildable

but with no boss, and no craft

[fiery wedge]

So a transmitter

[fiery wedge]

So basically creature uploads that anyone can access?

[blissful perch]

Similar concept yes. But obviously not a transmitter because you can’t use it to move stuff between servers

[fiery wedge]

Yeah I doubt that'd be a thing tbh

[blissful perch]

It would be local like a cryofridge. Whatever you stick in there can only be accessed from that particular storage building

You could build a “stable” that fits the primitive theme ezpz. Idk if it’s happening or not tho. I’m very curious what the “tame manager” they mention in the post refers to

[tropic crag]

Was gonna say, doubt all you want, they mention a tame manager in the store page lmao

[fiery wedge]

Could just be managing tame groups for all we know

[tropic crag]

And to that I say, I doubt it

[fiery wedge]

It's vague and isn't really worth discussing until a showing of it comes out

Like most of the things in this chat...

[blissful perch]

That’s why I prefer to talk game design than speculation

[tropic crag]

Fair

[vital rock]

more categories in weapons and armors

[mighty lion]

Hopefully we will know more in 93 days

[lament chasm]

I think there will be lots of ratholes cause ark development is so bad

[vernal spindle]

The unfortunate reality of ARK 2 will probably amount to: complete redesign of game mechanics and pvp that are not suited to how the vast majority of players wanted and issues 3x worse than that what was experienced on ARK.

[blissful perch]

If PvE is better I’m calling it a win

Since the vast majority of players isn’t a single thing in ark 1. I don’t think there IS such a group

[vernal spindle]

I assume Wildcard wont change anything and keeps running ARK 2 in unreal 5 on virtual machines.

[vernal spindle]

Not many people play PvE

[blissful perch]

About 50-55% of players play PvE or SP, at least on PC with the stats I was last given (they’re old, around when genesis 2 came out)

[vernal spindle]

Regardless of player base I feel it wont be what anyone expected and it wont live up to what ARK already brought us.

[blissful perch]

Depends on your opinion of ark 1. I see ark 1 as a prototype for another better game. Others see it as a near perfect experience

[vernal spindle]

I like innovative new content and ARK 2 will be exciting to see… however I think a remake of ARK in Unreal 5 with vast optimization would do great one day. Perhaps playing on xbox for years with little attention to optimizing our experience has got me salty lol.

[blissful perch]

I think it was a mistake to put ark on console at all if it makes you feel better. It slowed down development and performance/optimization on all platforms

[vernal spindle]

There are ongoing game breaking issues on xbox that have been present for years and not taken care of….. however the PC probably has a larger player base so I understand why they wouldn’t fix maps such as “Extinction” for xbox.

Is the gun loading glitch still an ongoing issue on PC?

[blissful perch]

If I were WC I would have never released on console lol, especially given how hard it is to keep PC ark’s bugs down

[blissful perch]

You mean the one where the reload animation occurs but nothing gets loaded?

[vernal spindle]

Yes

[blissful perch]

It’s still a thing

[vernal spindle]

Hmmm… odd that a critical game function would not be fixed after nearly 6+ years of it being a recorded and reported issue. Hmmmmmm

Love the game

[blissful perch]

A choice was made by us and WC to allow bugs to remain at high volume in return for more content

[vernal spindle]

But thats odd behavior from a dev company that makes six figures

[blissful perch]

We keep paying WC in viewership attention and money when they make content and we keep dropping off regardless of bug fixes if content is dry

[vernal spindle]

Do you really think the community that dumped millions of dollars into the Dev team wants more colorful content to distract us VS reliable gaming mechanics that promote a functional game?

[blissful perch]

I don’t think…I know for a fact

[vernal spindle]

Well…

[blissful perch]

You can look at steam charts numbers when a new DLC comes out

[vernal spindle]

So sad.

[blissful perch]

A valid thing to be sad about

These days gimmicks and content sell, and bugs that aren’t game breaking are readily tolerated to get them. That’s how modern gamers want things to be based on their wallet choices

[vernal spindle]

Odd.

[blissful perch]

It’s not that odd. The gaming industry has saturated since I started gaming, and that means breaking the norm is the way to get big

[fiery wedge]

If the game wasn't a thing on console when they had a lawsuit against them do you think they would've even made enough money to stay afloat?

[blissful perch]

Let me see some numbers rq (I’m looking them up)

I would say the answer is yes console was a mistake

Given SE was released a year later than Xbox to get extra funding it seemed console was insufficient. And ofc there’s an upfront cost to releasing anything on console (and continuous costs of console servers and development). It may have been made back by now but it does slow the process down for everyone

[fiery wedge]

Nobody plays PvE on Xbox bro, every server is dead af over there.

[blissful perch]

Makes sense for console to be that way

Official PvE sounds like the worst possible format for the game (and no mods PvE also sounds a little oof)

[fiery wedge]

Why's that? Lol, PvE is the same on all platforms.

Oh mods

[blissful perch]

Yep. I can’t speak for the wackos who play official PvE but most PC unofficial and SP folks benefit immensely from mods and greater ini customization than console

[fiery wedge]

Most mods I've seen are just stuff for people who are lazy AF. And then there's ones that just look dumb cause they're too over the top lol.

[blissful perch]

There’s a massive swath of mods out there, ranging from what you describe to real QoL like S+ structure placement (which after years went into vanilla) or new balanced creatures or new stuff in general that’s really cool to try

[fiery wedge]

S+ is only like halfway implemented into the base game

[blissful perch]

Well yes, because the remaining half is a bit as you describe in the “it’s for lazy people” lol

[fiery wedge]

We only got like 7 structures from it

[blissful perch]

The current way structures behave with snaps and such I think was brought over from S+

[fiery wedge]

No it's always been this way

[blissful perch]

I mean S+ added tweaks to that system and I think it’s now vanilla

[fiery wedge]

S+ added triangle stuff, stairs and flexible cables and pipes

[blissful perch]

I think PvP would riot if they added the transfer tool and S+ nanny lol

[fiery wedge]

And maybe 1 or 2 more things

Isn't the nanny an auto imprinter?

Also we have stryders now, but they only do one resource and you need a dedi and stuff

[crimson plover]

Been playing pve Ark on xbox and win10 since first week of beta, on official.

[blissful perch]

And steam? Dammmnn

[fiery wedge]

Honestly I'm glad I'm on Xbox lol

[crimson plover]

I just recently bought it on steam, haven't really played it much on there yet

[fiery wedge]

Steam has so many fucking cheaters it's not funny

[blissful perch]

If I played PvP I’d prolly go Xbox. I hear there’s less cheaters

[fiery wedge]

Only way people cheat on Xbox is meshing and that's pretty uncommon

[blissful perch]

Idk if xbox has more than PS tho or it’s about the same

[fiery wedge]

Bro ps players are so unadvanced it's not even funny

[blissful perch]

I asked about cheaters not IQ lol

[mighty lion]

Uncommon? The most common exploit

I've spent days pushing people out of my walls

[fiery wedge]

Yeah but the only people on Xbox who really mesh are gmrecon and savages

[mighty lion]

Bambou is the second most common next to recon, hes with savages yeah

[fiery wedge]

Yeah besides them it's mostly just random bobs who live in ice caves

[fiery wedge]

Correction, there's the occasional god mode exploit as well. But that's usually patched quickish.

[mighty lion]

People see a base they have no hope of raiding an instantly go for the mesh... it's really sad

[fiery wedge]

Nah that's over exaggerated and you know it, most tribes are too scared to even try cause they don't wanna get devved

@blissful perch It only takes 3 months for them to get banned though XD

[mighty lion]

Tribes yes, but alt account meshing were very common. Since abberation first opened, I havent lost a base to a raid, but lost 3 to meshing.

[fiery wedge]

Unless you have a pocket dev

[fiery wedge]

Only bases I've lost have been to mesh as well lol

Metas too fuckin' easy to defend in

People complained about stegos and stuff being too op before gen 2 but honestly they needed to be op

[mighty lion]

I'm not upset it's easy to defend. Makes raids more rewarding imo

[fiery wedge]

It just gives them more time to port wdym?

Or popcorn

[mighty lion]

If you make them popcorn all their stuff, that's still a win

[fiery wedge]

It's also a waste of your time :(

If they're small enough of a tribe to have to popcorn instead of port then it's not like you wiped a base of some huge tribe like sp

[mighty lion]

Medium tribes ( 50-100) with personal rooms makes it harder for them to port or popcorn.

[fiery wedge]

Bro 1k got ported in like 2 hours

[mighty lion]

Now that's surprising

[fiery wedge]

And everyone was shopping too lol

That shit was funny AF tho

Well what do we say about ark 2 before one of the mods puts ""?

[mighty lion]

I hope there are still large scale raids in ark 2

[fiery wedge]

I mean, they said there's gonna be support for bigger bases

[mighty lion]

I just trying to see how it fits with the new combat system

[fiery wedge]

How much you wanna bet that once tribes get set up the combat system will be mostly negligible for players?

[fallow niche]

Out of curiosity, where did you see this part?

[fiery wedge]

Somewhere in the community crunch

[mighty lion]

"Instanced rendering and network-streaming enable much higher client and server performance for large, player-built structures, and a longer draw distance!"

[fiery wedge]

Instanced rendering and network-streaming enable much higher client and server performance for large, player-built structures, and a longer draw distance! Survivors can set up and save their own preferred building templates, share them, and place prospective template layouts in the world to then build them out as a team.

[fallow niche]

Yep just found it, ty

[mighty lion]

Probably

Template system is nice. Hope I can give it to groups and have them build out towers.

[fiery wedge]

Insta places fob

Imagine if you had that on ark rn on a boosted server lmao

Run around spamming towers

[fiery wedge]

I doubt there'll even be towers, at least how they are now.

[mighty lion]

Have them build out " defensive emplacements"

[mint swan]

Yk what i would actually kind of like? Getting 2 different species to breed, but not let all dinos breed with each other. So you would get a pteranodon and a tapejara, then go through a incredible hard taming process, to get a faster pteranodon, able to go in 4 directions with a passenger seat. But just like in real life, you would not be able to mate a bronto and a rex, because those are species with too much difference

[blissful perch]

A tapa and a pteranodon are likely as different as a human and a gorilla (if not moreso)

I’m good with none of the hybrid stuff

[stray elm]

A pteranodon and a tapa are probably pretty different

[mint swan]

Thanks for telling me what the other dude already told me ☮️

[stray elm]

No problem

[mint swan]

[mint swan]

Maybe, dont know, the concept was just in my head tho, but just not to get a breed such as a giga with wings from a quetzal, which probably wouldnt be able to lift off

[split dove]

bootlegs pfp gets more cursed with the week

[stray elm]

Yep

[split dove]

and i'm all for it

[stray elm]

It's even more cursed if i didn't crop out the text

[mint swan]

My pfp is kind of hot ngl

[stray elm]

That's a baby with a beard.....

Ayo, what the fuck?!

[mint swan]

?

[stray elm]

Your pfp.
That's a human baby with a beard photoshopped on.

And you called it 'hot.'

[split dove]

wait a min

[stray elm]

That's a baby. xD

[mint swan]

Everyone looks younger in pictures

[stray elm]

That's.....not an excuse. xD

[blissful perch]

I see where you’re coming from, it’s kinda like “what if we could do more cool stuff with new creatures we make that resemble dinosaurs that combine traits from creatures we already know”

[split dove]

i remember my early years, where i looked like el macho himself at 3 years old with a fully grown stache

[mint swan]

My expectations became low

[blissful perch]

The secret is aliens or psuedo dinosaurs like morellatops that never existed

[stray elm]

It's photoshopped on.
You can slightly tell, due to how out of place the beard is.

[split dove]

nah that's a just paul rudd as a baby, the man nearly doesn't age

[stray elm]

'True'

[blissful perch]

I think the tapa was an unsung hero of cool ark movement way before its time. PvP got to see some use with the tek saddle but I think the helicopter styled movement and pivoting is a really cool concept

[mint swan]

Then the desmo came and lost all use

[hazy elm]

We need Ark 2 alpha access

[echo bloom]

Ark 2? I hardly know 2

[blissful perch]

We’re getting early access in 2023, dw

[short fulcrum]

It's also cool that you can cling to vertical terrain and shoot off the back of them, it's portable high ground
On my first save i had one named flappy and it was my main flyer for a time

[blissful perch]

I love the idea that this post is a patience detector for how long people can wait for a dev team to make a game rather than asking for a rushed product that doesn’t work and isn’t well designed. If there’s one thing I can’t stress enough it’s that waiting is ok if it improves the product. A game should have a rough shape, overall design, and basic feature set before gamers should ever touch it in early access (if that’s the path taken). Do NOT rush devs into doing otherwise lol, it screws up the game

[blissful perch]

@split dove thank you for having my back

[quick pond]

Wildcard although known for ark and its many bugs atleast understand that the best way to perfect a game is through not rushing and being careful

[split dove]

we don't want to repeat the mistakes of ark 1

[split dove]

[blissful perch]

Well there’s actually not much precedent for WC doing that lol but I do appreciate them doing it for ark 2

Every DLC was littered with an absurd number of bugs and somewhat quickly discovered balance/design oversights…for example three DLCs with creatures which outranged turrets

[quick pond]

Gen 2 still has lots of crashes

Just glad they got fjordur right

[blissful perch]

The community maps tend to be better (also less ambitious so I have to give credit where it’s due)

[quick pond]

Fjordur was a huge surprise for me as I avoided spoilers like the plague and when I found 2 more realms I was in awe at the amount of space to work with

[blissful perch]

I was spoiler free until I saw a squid tentacle sticking through the map border and then I had some questions lol

[quick pond]

Only thing I'm going to miss in ark 2 will be reapers and rock drakes though. Wyverns can kick rocks

[blissful perch]

Drakes are still really fun for the movement they offer tbh. Hope we see another creature that moves like it

[quick pond]

Drakes in midgard are amazing for transport

[blissful perch]

The teleport with a gasbags is pretty dang good lol

[quick pond]

And on the jungle realm

I can never seem to get gasbags right

I don't understand their flight

[blissful perch]

It’s momentum based, where you have to puff out air and build up momentum which then dissipates slowly

I spent a lot of time on extinction learning it lol, it’s not intuitive

[quick pond]

I'll just stick to drakes lmao

And astrodelphis/tropeo

[blissful perch]

Now these are creatures I don’t enjoy piloting

Probably some of my least favorite. It feels clunky and rigid

[quick pond]

Sometimes it does but other times they are great

I do wish we had a quetzal travel meta though

[blissful perch]

I think the tapa is a fantastic creature to pilot

(Speaking strictly about movement)

[quick pond]

I used tapa so much when I first started

Desmodus aswell

Desmodus movement is great

Unparalleled maneuverability

[blissful perch]

Taming them is so janky lol but yea the bat has some very nice movement

[quick pond]

I want a tek quetzal platform saddle. Where the saddle works as a jet similar to tropeo saddle but with large turning circle for the large size while having easy base movement

[blissful perch]

Unsung king of cool movement tho might be the enforcer

[quick pond]

Based on the quetzal being able to move upwards of 80mph when they were alive

[wintry snow]

Ah yes only 1tb game

[quick pond]

Enforcer is amazing

I love those guys. Great weight and melee

Roll rats are good too

[blissful perch]

That’s gonna need a source lol, since the fastest creature on land the cheetah does not move that fast (75mph at top sprint speed)

[blissful perch]

Enforcers are trash sadly outside the early game. But I love piloting them

[quick pond]

I saw a thing about it somewhere

Lemme try find it

I sent it through

But why they so slow in ark though

Like they could fly just slower than wyverns and that's chill

[blissful perch]

Why is the giga massive and not accurate? It’s a game design choice

[quick pond]

Fair enough

The quetzal is a pain to tame though and you get very little for it

[blissful perch]

It’s the only airborne platform saddle creature, but yes it got less useful with time

[quick pond]

Isn't the astrocetus a platform saddle?

[blissful perch]

It’s a tek saddle…unsure if that’s the same lol

[quick pond]

Especially with faster creatures about. On the island taking an argy over a quetzal was an option for resources otherwise quetzals were good but wyverns just took that away on later maps

I think wyverns were introduced way too early personally especially with their power

And the fact they are on most maps

[blissful perch]

Wyverns didn’t really compete with quetz

Argies getting the weight reductions and then the release of gasbags and skiffs made quetz obsolete

[quick pond]

I've never used a skiff how do you get them

[blissful perch]

Tekgram unlocked by beating master controller (genesis 1)

[quick pond]

Ahh I'll have to look into getting that done at some point

Next on my list once I got fjordur runes is finishing ab

[blissful perch]

The only boss I haven’t beaten yet on an official map are king titan (and some community maps)

[quick pond]

I just play singleplayer

Rude

[rigid brook]

not even trying to be rude

ofc if you think the truth is rude then yeah

[lunar finch]

Talk about ARK 2.

[quick pond]

We are having a discussion thank you

About what we liked and disliked in ark one and what we want in ark 2

[lunar finch]

You just keep doing your thing.

[quick pond]

Only story bosses I've done is brood the dragon and megapithecus King on fjordur

Not done them on island though

And I've taken down fenrisulfr crystal wyvern queen and dinopithecus king

I hope we get some really good bosses and pve in ark 2 however

[grave python]

why is ark 2 a 3rd person only? it's so annoying

[blissful perch]

You gotta run solo Ab. It’s a huge inspiration of what I’d love to see more of in ark 2 with biome design, map design, and creature balance

[quick pond]

Aberration is one of my favorite maps. No fliers makes the game so much harder

And it has really cool creatures

[blissful nest]

tek platform saddles would b e very cool

[blissful nest]

hold up, hold. up.

you CAN'T use 1st person?

[split dove]

third person only, most likely due to the new combat and movement system for players

[blissful nest]

'ight there goes my hopes for ark II

[blissful perch]

Sadly not possible in ark 2 given no tek

[blissful nest]

No, it can't be...NO....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[blissful perch]

I mean you already aren’t playing because third person only so you’re good

[split dove]

ark 2 can look good with third person only, it just depends on how the camera follows your player

[blissful perch]

True but dw im sure we’ll have hundreds more complaints to read in this chat about it

[split dove]

more of the usual

[blissful nest]

Good poin*

[mint swan]

I feel like ark II will become more of a rpg, and i am scared taming dinos wont be as important anymore

[split dove]

it will still be a sandbox game, just bc combat and movement are getting updated won't make it into ark where dinos aren't needed, dinos are also getting combat overhauls

[blissful perch]

Making ark more of an rpg is an independent process from the need for tames

[mint swan]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[blissful perch]

They just aren’t related, which makes sense right?

It’s like saying “ark 2 has Vin diesel in it, so I’m worried they may not allow me to craft tools”

[split dove]

i won't be surprised if that will be written down in this chat at a later point

[blissful perch]

I’m deeply grateful we seem to have moved beyond the “omg ark 2 is a story game now eww I hate it #source=dudejusttrustme”

[split dove]

i can't wait for the next ''fun'' conversations 😂

[blissful perch]

I’d love it if people pinged me with more design questions but that’s a reach and I know it lol

[mighty lion]

You should read the pin if this isnt sarcasm lol

[tropic crag]

The astrocetus saddle is both tek and a platform, so yes, in this case

[mighty lion]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's the smallest platform saddle especially for such a large tame. Putting a bed on it is a life saver tho

[tropic crag]

It's small if you let it be, the surface area doesn't lower the build limit afaik

I've made some very nice looking little teleporting whale houses on those suckers lol

[mighty lion]

I mean its limited to 5 structures vs the limit ( 32?) Of other platform saddles. Just enough for a bed, a generator and fridge ( for ambergris )

[blissful nest]

it is

[tropic crag]

Ah, ok well then that's just my settings then, lol. I forget official stuff sometimes...

Platform structure limit go brrrrrr

[fiery wedge]

If you're not on singleplayer or PvE then your ass is gonna get raided by a racer lol

[tropic crag]

And that's relevant to the conversation at hand... how?

[blissful perch]

One of those “yes it’s true, but I’m not sure what the statement is doing here” moments

Me chilling in my 5 structure astrocetus base:
Paracer: why hello there, you’re raided now

[fallow niche]

[blissful perch]

I do wonder if there will be ark 2 paracers 👀👀

[fallow niche]

Back on topic

[willow hull]

oh this is ark 2 i thought it was ark

[brittle marten]

which was the help channel

[fallow niche]

#bobs-with-probs

[fallow niche]

Ark 2 otters

[past wind]

I hope to see most of the tames of Ark 1 on Ark 2 but Ichtyornis, Troodon and Pegomastax.

[stray elm]

ARK-2 sushi

[stray elm]

I hope they come back worse, to piss off people

[past wind]

I’m already pissed with you for hoping for that.

[stray elm]

[mighty lion]

I hope there is a better way to eliminate dinos spawns rather than just spamming an area

[past wind]

Seriously, I hate those 3.

[past wind]

Maybe T-Rex urine. 😂

[stray elm]

Yes, they're horrible, they're annoying.
And that's their point.

[mighty lion]

Lol replace other dino spawns with rex spawn

[fiery wedge]

I knew a dude who lost a 296 to a pego once supposedly

Those things are annoying af

[past wind]

And for the bird, if you don’t kill it fast, you lose your stuff forever.

[stray elm]

Sounds like a skill issue

[fiery wedge]

Thought it was instant?

Idk haven't had one of them hit me in forever

[past wind]

Would be nice to use a large carnivore’s urine to scary smaller carnivores (spawn blocker).

I’m not sure if it’s easy to implement, but would be nice.

Better than spamming foundations

[mighty lion]

Yeah, a stationery crystal or something that repels them too would be nice for building

[blissful perch]

idk the radius where spawns are blocked is already pretty large imo

also keep your seagull hating propaganda away from me pls, they're great

[wintry cape]

Waking up to bird songs is great. Waking up to seagulls doing bird songs, not so much

[blissful perch]

disagree but then again i love seagulls

why do people like hamsters? Similar logic

[stray elm]

Seagulls are the devils of the beach irl

[ripe cedar]

Ark 2 salmonella

[stray elm]

ARK-2: Unga Lunga-Editon

[tropic crag]

Good question, why do people like hamsters? But seagulls are decidedly worse, trust me. I live in Seattle, THE port town lmao. Those things are assholes and not to mention cannibals as well

[safe mural]

How long do you think it will take to release a new trailer, and maybe a gameplay (which it probably will)

[stray elm]

They'll also legit steal pets and babies

There's cases of Seagulls picking up small creatures to either never be seen again, or to be seen in multiple parts.

[mellow wadi]

Is ark 2 only third person?

[stray elm]

Yes

[mellow wadi]

ok.

Does anyone know the average pc req for ark 2?

it’s still TBA

[split dove]

it will likely be announced later on before launch

[blissful perch]

My family lives in the Bahamas, I've seen many seagulls 🙂. I just like birds, especially smart cheeky ones

[lavish rain]

Your family lives in hell then

[tropic crag]

Now, storks, or even pelicans, those are good birds. Or at least better than seagulls

Also have to take into account the environment in which they're found, anywhere here in Washington seagulls are literal hellspawn demonic ass little bastards. Can't speak for the Bahamas, but I imagine they're at least decent enough to not peck eachothers' eyes out without killing them, or be stealing and eating actual human children/babies

[blissful perch]

They’re in their natural habitat and aren’t as dependent on human trash to survive so perhaps?

We did kinda overfish the hell out of their normal food and provide them only with toxic garbage piles for food

Now I’m kinda hype for a diving bird in ark 2 if we have to have fliers

[tropic crag]

I don't know about the trash piles, the piers around here are pretty clean, but yeah I guess being in and around their habitat could be grounds for assholery via cannibal birds... doesn't explain why they kill eachother for sport, though

[blissful perch]

Ask people why they do it when their brain is laced with lead and the bodies are sick with poison lol

Many animals do weird stuff when stressed or unwell

Guess I’m glad you can’t drive your tames insane by treating them like crap. Would be pretty funny to watch people’s tames go ballistic from lack of care tho

[tropic crag]

I hope there's a bit more to tames than just unyielding love for the player, to the point of succumbing to being slaughtered for it not being good enough. I agree there

[blissful perch]

🤷‍♂️ it's a game and tames are ultimately akin to familiars in other games or loyal NPCs. There's a loss of gameplay associated with that sort of realism

[tropic crag]

Like, if your rex isn't all that great after you tame another, and you want to just old yeller it or leave it out in the wild, it fights back . Or maybe you can infact release it back into the wild via some function

[blissful perch]

I think release into the wild is a hilarious idea that I'd love to see implemented. But mutation stacking and even tame levels would have to be reassessed

since a wild max is 150 but a tame with 0 player levels at 224 would be a bit much lol, and that's before mutations

you could imagine the most funny trolling and gatekeeping of people releasing capped dilos to delete bobs

[tropic crag]

Assuming dinos will even get levels after taming, yeah?

[stray elm]

Yeah, there's a load of issues releasing captive animals.
But i wont get into that.

[blissful perch]

is a tame a "captive" animal?

if I tame a rex I hardly consider it the same as a captive born animal

[stray elm]

It is once they're generations away from their wild counterparts.

[stray elm]

Yes, but i more meant ones raised in captivity.

Also seems like taming is going to be mostly egg stealing.

[blissful perch]

idk about that. There is a world event where you can help an injured dino to "earn its trust"

sounds like there may be multiple ways to tame perhaps

[stray elm]

Right, it's going to still have multiple ways. But seems like for possible harder/bigger creatures, stealing a egg from pissed parents is going to be the go to.

[blissful perch]

🤷‍♂️

[stray elm]

Then there's the fact that, if you have a wild creature in captivity for so long and get used to it, their survival instincts do slightly dwindle.
Most animals (mostly mammals) are easy to spoil, and get used to a "i do nothing and you feed me" mentality.
So a captive wild animal will have a harder time surviving in the wild then a animal that's been living in the wilds 100% of their life.

But this is a video-game. So it doesn't really matter.

[blissful perch]

it matters when and where it serves the design goals of the game

if it doesn't add fun, it isn't going in lol

[stray elm]

That's what i mean.
Doesn't matter what happens if you release a captive animal IRL in a game.

[rotund path]

I just came in and my heads been blown 🤯

[stray elm]

ARK is also a fictional world. So they can easily make something up like "Oh yeah, creatures in captivity love to be spoiled and love their masters. But if released back to the wild, their survival-instincts kick in and they go full lizard-brain mode"

[rotund path]

Maybe the captive would have a permant debuff in food stat if they actually make the stat workable for wild and it goes up and down per feed but would take alot of power on the server

[untold totem]

Unless it's a cat

[stray elm]

Cat's are still no expectation.

Our new cat is literally a good example of this.
Even though they where born in the wild, their parents where captive.
And so they still have their parents mindset of "nothing can do no harm"
Well, he has a huge patch on the right side of his body, and his right ear has been nipped.
And yet, he's still so friendly.

[untold totem]

Yes friendly to humans but not to other creatures while the cats are on their own

There is a reason why they are the cause of Extinction to a lot of species of small birds, mammals, and lizards

They maybe "domesticated" but they still have their retained instinct to hunt even if it's "for sport"

And yes, cats do kill for sport

[stray elm]

Oh, i know that.

[untold ingot]

I feel like a lot of animals do that though

[stray elm]

A lot of animals kill for sport.

[green hazel]

.

[stray elm]

It's just how they gain entertainment

[untold totem]

Not Just that, it's also for retaining their hunting skills in case food is scarce

[stray elm]

In JW-1, when they said the "Indominus-Rex is hunting for sports" i thought "No shit, Sherlock. Most animals that have a form of boredom do that."

[blissful perch]

it's not "most"

[stray elm]

So 'all?'

[wispy sierra]

Usually it’s not anything that would pose an actual threat

[blissful perch]

the capacity for boredom only tends to occur in more intelligent animals

[wispy sierra]

A slug’s brain is too simple to be bored

[stray elm]

Right.
Which is a lot of mammals.

[blissful perch]

a locust will never be bored

[stray elm]

No shit.

[blissful perch]

mammals are a very small percent of animals

[untold totem]

And yes there are some animals are too well accustomed to the life of being domesticated to the point where they are unfit in the wild, like small dogs, cows, etc

but that may depends how many genetic changes through breeding

[stray elm]

Okay, true.
Should rephrase to "most mammals."

[untold ingot]

I feel like it's not a huge problem for animals to do that as long as there is a balanced environment, it's not really as if we can change their behavior and instincts. As long as people don't do the same 🤣

[wispy sierra]

Imo insects function more like an extremely complex computer program

[stray elm]

And i believe also some birds have high enough intelligence to feel boredom.

[untold ingot]

Like cats aren't likely to cause global catastrophes, but people do that on a daily basis imo 🤣

[untold totem]

But a grasshopper will turn into a locust if the food is plentiful

[blissful perch]

there are birds and mollusks that can experience boredom

[stray elm]

Octopuses are great.

[blissful perch]

grasshoppers and locusts are different species

[untold ingot]

Grasshoppers are okay, locusts are plain evil lol

[blissful perch]

cats are currently nearly solely responsible second to humans for massive loss of songbird populations in the US, and are being culled as we speak as invasive creatures on islands where they slaughter local wildlife

[stray elm]

Doesn't help that cats are also imported and are now all around the world

[untold totem]

Locusts are grasshoppers, they have this weird behavior that changed them into locusts that you are familiar with

[tropic crag]

I was about to say, cats are very high on the food chain, and therefore effect their environments a great deal

[untold ingot]

I stand corrected, cats are also causes of catastrophe. It's a little apt for wordplay I guess

[blissful perch]

locusts are species of grasshopper which express swarming behavior. That's not all grasshoppers

[stray elm]

Locusts and Grasshoppers are two different species. They're just highly related to each other

That's like comparing a human to a gorilla.
Sure, we're both apes and generally look the same. But we're not the same.

[blissful perch]

true, the swarming behavior is a major indicator of which is a locust versus a grasshopper

we did kinda massacre our most evolutionary similar cousins

RIP Neanderthals and Desanovians

[untold totem]

Not "massacred"... "Fucked to Extinction"

[stray elm]

Meh, tis the way of evolution.

Older species die off, and newer ones improve and adapt.

[fallow niche]

I sincerely hope they do not add swarms

[stray elm]

I DO!

[fallow niche]

Like insect swarms

Just hate them

[stray elm]

I hope they're even more annoying.

[untold totem]

Gen 1 intensifies

[blissful perch]

I'd love it as a world event

but...not as an every day annoyance lol

[fallow niche]

Sure, world event. NOT all damn day 😂

[stray elm]

Oh, like a once a in-game month that a horde of locusts will infest the map and try to eat your crops and whatnot?

[untold totem]

I rather have it as a world barrier unless they pulled an ATLAS where the "map is round"

[blissful perch]

there's evidence of slaughter, since homo sapiens tended to form larger groups that starved out or outright killed other humans

[tropic crag]

Just straight up biblical amounts of locusts appear if someone does a certain mission 🤣

[fallow niche]

[stray elm]

Far Cry: Primal was a good example of this

Also if i recall right, early Homo-Sapiens where the ones to invent vocal-communications with our species.
So that also could've been a slight language gap that early humans where starting to communicate via verbally, while Neanderthals still communicated this "smash stone onto head" and grunts.
Which could've been seen as threats.

[blissful perch]

given chimps have language I'm mildly sus of that take

[stray elm]

Yeah, but their language is also different then ours still.

[blissful perch]

I'm sure it was. I can't imagine how wild it would have been to encounter something almost human

makes me wonder how Aratai will feel

[stray elm]

Right.
And so, you're this early human seeing another version of yourself that's a bit different for the first time, and they start smashing the ground and going "AHH, AHHHH, HOO, HAA" and yelling at you.

That could mean "Ayo chappy boi, how'd you do?" in Neanderthal. But to us, that seems like a animal about to attack.

[blissful perch]

or like many intelligent animals that have the choice, they simply disengage. It took Jane Goodall months to get close enough to a chimp to see one without binoculars

[stray elm]

Or how humans will feel about the Aratai's.

[untold ingot]

Well, the human species does kind of have an inherent fear of things that look similar but aren't the same, so that might have been a factor too

[stray elm]

True.

Uncanny stuff does activate my ape-brain neurons.

[blissful perch]

idk where that fear lies in our history. It could have stemmed from a time before homo sapiens or it could be a recent trait born from "recent" conflict

[untold ingot]

True, it is hard to track its origin

[blissful perch]

look my monkey brain goes NUTS when numbers go up

[untold ingot]

Although it could give another motive in ark2 for a human aratai war

[stray elm]

"Monkey brain gets dopamine when funny number with funny thumbs up goes high."

[tropic crag]

I'm calling aliens when it comes to why we see faces in everything and why we hate those faces for not being similar enough to our own

[blissful perch]

I wasn't speaking of attention seeking or validation behavior like thumbs up/the like button

I just meant getting 100,000 oil for literally no reason in ark lol

[stray elm]

How've you gotten 100k oil for no reason?

Are you America?

[blissful perch]

🇺🇸

[untold ingot]

Stryder with skiff on ab, farming 4 million metal in a single run is insane lol

[untold totem]

Also congrats for being a mod min

[lavish rain]

Dude I can't wait to bring my stryder over to fjordur

Wait, I could just keep it in space cave forever and just render it in

[stray elm]

👀

[tropic crag]

👀

[lavish rain]

It has a bed

[stray elm]

You ever get that empty feeling after finishing a show?

[wispy sierra]

Not nearly enough

[lavish rain]

And could Takei t out if I really get sick of rendering it

[wispy sierra]

“Ah, that was fun. What do I do with my life now?”

[lavish rain]

نعم

[stray elm]

Yep.
I hate it

Just finished Steins;gate.....
I have no idea what to do now.....

[lavish rain]

تلعب multiversus

Wtf

[wispy sierra]

Go play ark 2

[fiery wedge]

You finish a show to get that?

[lavish rain]

Multiversus can't be arabic

[stray elm]

Can't, i haven't bought it yet

[wispy sierra]

The feeling is stronger after finishing a show, but really it’s after I do anything fun

[lavish rain]

It's free
So the word is download

[stray elm]

True

[lavish rain]

The hardest part is making a WB account

[stray elm]

Oh, i was talking about ARK-2

[lavish rain]

I like Google translate

This means "thanks for making me look dumb" mods

Yall talking about locusts

Bruh please no

[tropic crag]

Tf...

[lavish rain]

Im referring to this

if locusts shouldn't be kn the game
😂 if they should

Some people want to see the world burn

[mighty lion]

Flame thrower ammo and gasoline. I could barely keep oil in stock

[lavish rain]

Wtf you need flamethrower ammo for

And tbh I wish sulfur had more uses in ark

[stray elm]

Imagine having finishers in ARK-2.

Shoving a chunk of sulfur in some Aratai's mouth.

[fiery wedge]

Flamethrower op

[lavish rain]

Ok but how much do you need?

[fiery wedge]

Depends how much of a flame bob you are

But normally 6 is way more than enough

[lavish rain]

Or that one finisher from call of duty where you make the other dude smoke weed until he dies

[lavish rain]

6 what?

[stray elm]

Wha?

[lavish rain]

Yes, that's an actual finisher move in COD

[fiery wedge]

Ammo for a kit

[lavish rain]

Just 6?

[fiery wedge]

Yeah

[mighty lion]

Only flame or shotgun PVP allowed in base. Plus some people cary it as part of their standard kit

[stray elm]

So, just watched a video about how aliens would theoretically look like.
Seeing how Arat is very Earth like, the likely hood of a humanoid species like the Aratai's aren't impossible. Just very, very, very slim.

[lavish rain]

This makes no sense

[stray elm]

How?

[lavish rain]

"It's very simular to earth, therefore the likelihood of humanoid dominate is very unlikely"

[stray elm]

Yeah.
Cause evolution paths work differently.

An Earth like planet does have a better chance to support humanoid lifeforms, but that alone is still very slim.
Planets within the goldilocks zone are rare, but aren't impossibly rare.
We have like 10 cases of goldilocks planets.
And for them to be Earth like, is even slimmer, but not impossible.
But for a species to evolve in the same conditions as we did, is even more slimmer, but not impossible.
It's just very, very, 'veeeerrrryyyy' unlikely.

[ripe cedar]

Well gen ship was looking for a while so obviously the place it found was pretty rare

It was probably looking for conditions most similar to earth

[stray elm]

Like, if we say there's around 200,000+ planets in the Milky-Way that are Earth-like. There'd most likely be only 2 out of that 200k+ planets to have humanoid animals.
Earth, and this other Earth-like planet.
So like PersonL said, we basically hit the jackpot of planets for humans.

Cause if a species of humanoid like animals can evolve and thrive on it. Then so can we.

[ripe cedar]

Cant wait to corrupt this planet and have to find another one again

[stray elm]

Still unironically want that last dlc, or the dlc before the last to be the early-stages of what Earth experienced with corruption.

Then ARK-3 can be a dino/alien dystopian post-apocalyptic survival game.

[lavish rain]

Brain successfully fried

[lavish rain]

That would be simular to genesis 2 in gameplay

[stray elm]

How?

Oh wait, i see.

[mighty lion]

Yeah, if convergent evolution on eath is the measure, then the the universe is filled with crab like creatures

[stray elm]

True

[twin cave]

tebag finisher in the ark community, oh no i can see how this will go

[jaunty tusk]

if groove street messed up on the gta remakes how are they possibly gonna manage ark 2

[blissful perch]

PvE helps 😆

[blissful perch]

What’s cool about that theory is that “everything becomes crab shaped” applies to earth’s most successful animals (arthropods) and that’s about it lol

The universe is extremely vast and I think one thing we whiff on is that physics may create similar body plans (like “fish shapes” that are hydrodynamic) but there will never really be two identical species in the universe. The likelihood of earth apes or monkeys is so irrelevantly tiny that it borders on impossible. Since even on earth (a rare planet that won a jackpot to have life on it) it took multiple miracles to get monkeys and apes, let alone humans

[ocean tendon]

[blissful perch]

I could talk for hours about speculative biology: it’s what i love most about WC’s new creatures

[wispy sierra]

I feel like they kinda border on complete fantasy

[short fulcrum]

Not always
I believed the morellatops was a dino irl for a while

[wispy sierra]

There are a few that are plausible and pretty interesting

[blissful perch]

I mean the wyverns and rock elementals and griffins are pure fiction

But beyond those and some bosses and rockwell stuff most of it’s speculative biology in the terms of ark science

(Which is basically just real biology + element)

[stray elm]

For some context: Grove-street isn't to 100% blame for that, since it was Rockstars idea to allow auto-generated stuff.

Grove-street is also only a side development team. Wildcard still owns all the final saying.

[jaunty tusk]

90% of the problems are on groove streets part

[jaunty tusk]

groove street always find a way to mess something up

[stray elm]

The only games i know they've made is the GTA remaster, and ARK-Mobile.
That's it.

And ARK-Mobile is a bit of SnailGames fault for overmarketing it.
ARK-Mobile unironically has some good ideas that i wish the main game had.

[jaunty tusk]

both are dumpster fires

[fallow niche]

[jaunty tusk]

ark mobile has good ideas on some things

[fallow niche]

As long as the p2w stuff doesn't get implemented

[jaunty tusk]

they tend to make it p2w

and the whole rev’ing dino’s things is a good idea

[stray elm]

Which is SnailGames fault, cause they're the marketing team for both Mobile, ARK, and Atlas.

[jaunty tusk]

just ruined by how p2w it is

[fallow niche]

Mobile games are always p2w. That's not to say that ark2 will be p2w.

[stray elm]

Also the randomly generated no-tames dungeons.

[jaunty tusk]

i doubt it will

they did a good job on ark mobile

just they lack enforcement on hacks and bugs

[stray elm]

Well, that's just ARK as a whole. xD

[jaunty tusk]

the dungeons aren’t that great

[jaunty tusk]

mobile has game breaking hacks

[stray elm]

The generation of them are shit, yes. But the general idea i like.

[jaunty tusk]

rocket turrets can wipe bases in 5 seconds

they shoot like 10 rockets a second

[short fulcrum]

If mobile wasn't p2w
I would have never discovered ark

[stray elm]

Yeaaaah, balancing is a whole different can of worms.

[jaunty tusk]

game would be balanced if they fixed rocket turret spam

glad pc don’t have that problem

[short fulcrum]

Grovestreet simply can't work on mobile at the moment
They are an small team with both ark switch and ark 2 to work on

[jaunty tusk]

they can hire more members

make a whole department on strictly mobile

[tropic crag]

I'm glad none of the other platforms are even slightly like mobile, mobile gaming in general is just kinda shit (mostly on account of P2W and the like, but also just generally speaking yet again)

[tropic crag]

You have no idea how hard it is to find good developers in this day and age, lmao

[short fulcrum]

Grovestreet are always hiring tho

[jaunty tusk]

they haven’t pushed out any ads lately

[jaunty tusk]

it’s not that hard especially for the size of groove street

[tropic crag]

Again, you have no idea. Kinda the point of my statement

[analog hamlet]

@nimble tundra

To Access Platform Specific Channels:

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[hazy elm]

Can someone massage my back

[granite tendon]

no

[hazy elm]

ok nvm

[granite tendon]

lol

but fr why are they adding vin diesel to ark 2

[stray elm]

Cause he's a fan of the game and wanted to join.

[granite tendon]

How much did he pay to be in it?

[stray elm]

Nothing

He just took some of their stonks

[granite tendon]

Im a big fan of the game why tf aren't I in it

Unfair

[stray elm]

I know, right?

@cunning talon Dollie, the fuck are these double standards. 🤣

[granite tendon]

Mind as well add Mr beast into the game

[stray elm]

Right?

[south lance]

i love family too 🥺

[grave carbon]

is ark 1 still gonna still be on early access by the time ark 2 will get release and is ark 2 also gonna be in early access for 7 years ?

[stray elm]

ARK-1 has been out of EA for 5 years

[grave carbon]

it is still under the early access tag on steam

[stray elm]

Where?

Hold up

[grave carbon]

look at the tags on the steam store

then they should update it

can't send screenshot here but go look

[stray elm]

Damn, yeah. They haven't updated it then

[grave carbon]

i suppose

[stray elm]

Yeah no, it's been out of EA for 5 years

August of 2017, when the ending was added was when it exited out of early-access.

Odd.
It doesn't say it's in EA on Xbox.
So it must be just a leftover they forgor to remove

[grave carbon]

they should update it then

[stray elm]

Probably.

But yeah, ARK-2 is coming out in early-access.

Took ARK-1 3-years to get out of early-access. (besides what the tag says)
So i'd say that's a rough estimate of how long ARK-2 will be in EA.

[past wind]

I think this time is differente. They have a partnership with Microsoft, I think they will have a limit to release it.

[stray elm]

They've never stated they've partnered with MC

That was just a theory people had before they announced ARK-2 is coming out in early-access, to understand the 'why' it wasn't coming to PS
Well, the reasoning is that PS only allows 1-2 years worth of a game staying in EA before it gets removed.
Microsoft allows 4-years. So if the EA stage of ARK-2 is going to last awhile, then they'll have to wait till it's nearly out of their EA-stage to release it on PS.

[grave carbon]

i hope they work on making it stable this time i personnally might leave ark just because the game still feel unfinished, server crash, game crash, unfixed bug, pillaring are all stuff that make the game only half playable

[stray elm]

Well, all that has to do with a poor foundation of their coding that was intended for a much, much smaller game then it is today.

[grave carbon]

when you run a boss half of the instruction are about avoiding unfixed crash and bug instead of how to beat the bosses

[stray elm]

If ARK-2 is being made to 'expect' a grander playerbase, then it wont be (theoretically) as buggy as ARK-1

[grave carbon]

ark 1 still feel like an alpha

[stray elm]

Basically, ARK-1's issues stem from its unexpected success.

[stray elm]

And that all has to do with the base-coding, my friend

Also i'd argue it feels more like a Beta then a Alpha.
Since alpha-stages are usually just concepts, with no real gameplay.

[grave carbon]

i have seen that they used a very old version of unreal and that they didn't really code it

they mainly use blueprint

[stray elm]

They coded it.
But at the time, these where people who only made simple dungeon-crawler games on a more simpler scale.
And like i stated. The coding of ARK-1 wasn't intended to get this big.

[grave carbon]

it should be told as you buy it then that the performance is that poor ik many people that felt scammed at the end of the week

[stray elm]

Like, that's your own fault for feeling that.
I've had ARK for the 7 years its been out. And i don't feel scammed, even with the issues.

[grave carbon]

depend on the people i enjoyed the game but it is not the case of everybody, and trash game performance/ unfixed bug/ high amount of hacker are legit reason for many of my friends to quit before me

[grave carbon]

some people have descent expectation

[stray elm]

Some people should have realistic expectations, and do research in a game before willy-nillying buy a game.
It's why you should never pre-order, unless you actually know the game 'will' be good.
Look at Cyberpunk for example.

[lavish rain]

People thought they "knew" cyberpunk was gonna be good

[stray elm]

And that was their issue.
There's no actual gameplay of Cyberpunk that they showed.
Just pre-scripted missions and showing mechanics.
They never showed the actual open-world of it before launch.

I also hate how one of the first cinematic trailers spoiled a fucking huge part of the games story.

Which if you're so willing to show a major characters death in one of the first ever trailers, then that's a major red-flag.

In note: A 'RPG' based game.
Which are usually the most story-focused games.

[silver lintel]

Will Ark 2 ever come to ps5, cause as far as we know it’s only gonna be on Xbox and PC

[stray elm]

Since it's coming out in Early-access. I'd personally say 'yes' but a year or two post-release.

But don't quite me on that.

[lavish rain]

Which one

[stray elm]

I forgot the name. But that one cinematic of V getting in a escape car, and that guy starts bleeding out.

[fiery wedge]

Bruh that dude was in like 2 missions at the beginning of the game

Major my ass

[stray elm]

Thought that was in "The Heist" mission?

[fiery wedge]

Bro that part of the game is still the tutorial I'm pretty sure

[stray elm]

That's mission 8 out of 20.
Nearly half way.

[silver lintel]

Damn

[stray elm]

It's been nearly two years since i watched a playthrough of it. (yes i watched a playthrough, since i didn't really want to buy it)
So i could be misremembering.
But i'm pretty sure that was like halfway through the game.

[fiery wedge]

That mission is the beginning of the main plot of the game

[stray elm]

Same with that one gangster dude betraying you?

[fiery wedge]

Cause you had to download something because its container got damaged and it has Johnny in it

[stray elm]

Oooooh, riiiiight. I remember now.

Still though.
I feel like a character death like that shouldn't had been shown in a trailer. Even if it was so early on.

[tropic crag]

It was pretty late in the game. There's plenty to do before the main heist, probably a good 30-70 split when acounting for all content, and that's still several days worth of content regardless

As far as how far along in just the main story alone that is (like, speedrunning it), I can't say. I never speedrun, so I spent a good while with my boy Jackie, RIP in peace

[stray elm]

The main story is pretty short if i recall right.

[mortal kestrel]

I mean, it wasn't necessarily said that it wouldnt, but I dont expect it to look the same on ps than it does on the microsoft versions, since it will likely be out for a few years due to playstaions phobia of early access titles

[cyan chasm]

why are you talking about ciberpunk in an ark 2 channel

[tropic crag]

Yeah, if you speedrun/focus just the main quests and know what you're doing

[stray elm]

I'm planning on getting Cyberpunk 'eventually'
But just like Fallout-4, i want to wait till it's a more popular modding platform. Then i can install mods instead of playing the normal game.

[mortal kestrel]

cyberpunked

[tropic crag]

Maybe read up a bit, see why/how it relates

[stray elm]

Caaauuuusee......
A admin hasn't stepped in for 3 hours and told us otherwise. So we do what we do best and get side-tracked.

[mortal kestrel]

what does it take to be a criminal?

releasing a game in that shitty of a state after so long in development

[cyan chasm]

valid point

[stray elm]

Sometimes i even forget a channel isn't general, so i sta-
OH SHIT!
Raq!

[untold ingot]

I mean I guess if you really want that 🤣

[tropic crag]

I love your pfp btw, if it wasn't obvious enough

[mortal kestrel]

hii raq

[untold ingot]

Heeey

[distant lichen]

Ehats new in ark 2

Except for always 3rd person

[tropic crag]

It was purely shareholders' fault, gotta remember that

[untold ingot]

Well, there are world events that could be cool

[mortal kestrel]

to be fair, we can only talk so much about how flyer = bad

and me no get arkII because ew 3rd person only, my poor immersive feels

[stray elm]

Raq, don't do this.
I have nerd-children that i need to expel and talk about, and so happens that i can only expel my nerd-babies in ark-2!
Please don't kill them!

[mortal kestrel]

Im most hyped for combat and parkour tbh

[untold ingot]

I am least hyped about combat, but that is just because I have never touched a game with souls like combat

[mortal kestrel]

as soon as arkII drops, you can bet Ill be spending a month doing nothing but running around the map and seeing what I can get away with parkour-wise

[lavish rain]

Bring out the nerd in you

[stray elm]

🤓

[mortal kestrel]

as one who has played multiple, I can say its some of the best feeling combat out there honestly, assuming your controls are responsive and the enemies have clear tells

[stray elm]

Worth it.

[lavish rain]

I didn't even see what it was

[stray elm]

Nerd

[lavish rain]

I look away for one second

[untold ingot]

I have potatos for fingers sooo

[stray elm]

Can you cut them off, and they'll regrow?

[mortal kestrel]

it will be dumb as fuck if wildcard makes it so you cant interrupt your attack animation by dodge rolling, that will always make the combat feel janky

[stray elm]

Cause if they can. You have infinite potatos that are perfectly shaped for fries!

[mortal kestrel]

specifically, i mean the recovery animation of your attack, not the windup

[stray elm]

Yeah, that's one thing with Conan.
It just feels weird to not be able to cancel your attack animation.

[tropic crag]

Agreed, if anything can just be interrupted by a dodge roll I'll be a little miffed

[untold ingot]

I really really like smooth movement, if I can't cancel any attack or movement at a given moment it really messes me up

[stray elm]

Oh wait, are you guys disagreeing with it?
Cause i like it when funny B button cancels my poor swing, so no one in the world can see how fucking shit i am.

[lavish rain]

We found the guy in call of duty who spams slide cancel

[tropic crag]

Cancelling the animation is fine, as long as it's more like feinting and not just you dodging mid anim

[untold ingot]

Uh, I guess I am guilty 🤣🤣

[mortal kestrel]

and if yall dont know what i mean by that

every animation has two stages, a windup and a recovery... a wind up is generally the first half of the animation (say you are punching, the wind up is throwing your hand out and the hit) and the recovery is the second half (so when you bring your fist back to your body after hitting)

[untold ingot]

I just need to be able to do a backflip after I slap someone with a big stick

[lavish rain]

Now I got the perfect vocabulary for when I inevitably make a video about multiversus

[mortal kestrel]

when I talk about animation canceling, I mean specifically canceling the recovery animation

[stray elm]

.....and what so happen to be said 'big stick?'

[mortal kestrel]

I totally advocate for dodge backflips when using daggers

conan actually has one funnily enough

and its fucking great

[fiery wedge]

Damn y'all talk a lot when I'm getting food

[untold ingot]

We waited specifically for you to get food before talking

[fiery wedge]

I can tell

[stray elm]

Wait, they where gone?

[lavish rain]

In primitive plus, there is a substitute building for things like ndy forge right? If I have to spam 20 refining forges and that's as advanced as smelting metal gets, that would be poor game design

[stray elm]

Didn't notice

[fallow niche]

I'd really love more than just one type of primitive forge, campfire, etc

[untold ingot]

I like the castles and keeps for that, it fits really nicely into a prim plus style game I think

[fiery wedge]

😭

[fallow niche]

If they implemented stuff like that or like some of Eco's empires mods, I'd love it

[stray elm]

Oh hey, WomanBird is talking again.

[blissful perch]

Is that not a user added tag?

[stray elm]

You can edit the steam tags?

[blissful perch]

Users can add and upvote tags yes

[stray elm]

Odd

[hexed goblet]

I'm hyped for ARK 2!

[cyan chasm]

i hope ark 2 contains a mechanic where your poop size increses depending on the amount of food you ate

[fallow niche]

[mighty lion]

Do you guys think wildcard should provide a tutorial or leave it to trial and error?

[stray elm]

Both

Allow the option go into a private instance of the intro of the game, and the basics of stuff.
But leave the option to skip this.
But it should just be the barebone basics, nothing to complex.

[stray elm]

Okay, i'm going to read through the steam page again, and point out stuff i think we need to talk more on.

"Suddenly awakened on a strange primal world filled with dinosaurs and humans struggling for dominance; you must piece together the history of how you arrived there, team-up with legendary heroes, and confront powerful dark forces seeking to control the fate of all life."

Okay, so there's multiple things in here alone we can talk about.

-Suddenly waking up: Seems like the intro may possible be a nod/recreation of ARK-1's intro. With the player suddenly waking up.
But the way it's being phrased, seems like we're going to have a bit more lore to ourselves. (which i'm fine with, just don't give us too much that we can't all be unique characters.)
-Team-up with legendary hero's': Possibly meaning that we're getting more then Santiago. I'm still betting a form of Mei and Diana will return, but who knows.
-Confront powerful dark forces seeking to control the fate of all life: Okay, so this one (unlike what Mazzy thinks) can't be the Aratai's.
Not only do they get their own section. It already tells us their motives. Which is to drive us off their planet.
That does 'not' sound like they want to control all life. Nor do i even think they have the comprehending power to even want to.
So, this either means Rockwell is returning (God, please no) Corruption is returning, 'or'
A possible 'new' threat on top of everything else. 👀

[lime forge]

Is that Duke Nukem?

[stray elm]

Yes

[lime forge]

Bruh

[stray elm]

It's a cursed Duke-Nukem pfp made by a AI

[lime forge]

My childhood has been awoken

[stray elm]

He got mouths for eyes!

[lime forge]

Oh I didn’t even notice that

[lavish rain]

People forget the survival guide in the menu screen exists

[stray elm]

Can i DM you?

[lime forge]

Sure

[lavish rain]

The "dark forces" will be NPCs who break into your house, and pour condiments over drink casings, and leave without stealing anything

[stray elm]

TRUE!

[lime forge]

You guys know what Ark 2 needs?

[mighty lion]

A aratai mariachi band easter egg?

[lavish rain]

What

[lavish rain]

What's true about it

[stray elm]

Yes

[lime forge]

Shadowmanes

[lavish rain]

Bruv did that happen to you too @stray elm

[lime forge]

If we can’t have tek atleast give us the murder kitties back

[lavish rain]

I'd rather Andrew tate choke me to death then them add shadowmanes

@

[lime forge]

Shadowmanes are the most glorious thing to ever come out of Wild Card.

[lavish rain]

@untold totem why do you think aratai is the dark ones

[untold totem]

i said they looked like orks

[lavish rain]

And?

[untold totem]

i called them orks

[lavish rain]

Why does that make then evil

They're the natives

[lavish rain]

Why

[untold totem]

i dunno what you talk about as i never mentioned "dark forces"

[lavish rain]

Explain

[lavish rain]

@untold totem

[untold totem]

thats spartan... why you tag me

[lavish rain]

He said that you thought that aratai was the dark ones

[lime forge]

They’re a masterpiece of creativity. Two animals blended together into an absolute unit of a creature. Slightly OP? Maybe.

[lavish rain]

Are you being sarcastic?

[lime forge]

I mean they did try to murder a child. That’s pretty dark

[lime forge]

No.

[untold totem]

i am thinking the "dark forces" is us

i am not sure where Spartan pull that as i contantly ignore calling them "aratai" and just constantly call them orks