lore-nerdz

[bold dove]

Tek, go to sleep.
You're too damn drunk and high for this shit.

[plain plover]

since I been manen that whip

[lyric tendon]

Aren't the data bank for it is separated from the ring itself?

Like in the Gen 1 ending

[pseudo nimbus]

I already said to yo I'm not dunk that

[digital flower]

@plain plover are you going to lead the colonisation of Arat because as a brit I am down for some good old colonisation

[bold dove]

Your grammar says otherwise.

[bold dove]

'Bri'ish'

[digital flower]

Chewsday innit

[pseudo nimbus]

I'm not gonna colonize a martial arts figh

[lyric tendon]

Can we rename this chat to "Drunk and High" and make it age restricted

[plain plover]

Yes, we will be a powerful empire, one of piece and prosperity, to bring together all the peoples of this new world. and we will be called the 4th rei-

[pseudo nimbus]

I wouldn't mind it

[digital flower]

This channel should already be age restricted tbh XD

Especially with some of the stuff we talk about sometimes and the cursed lore

[lyric tendon]

I almost forgotten the #CursedLore

[digital flower]

Praise the -

[pseudo nimbus]

Will I get banned for tying in this chat while intoxicating?

[plain plover]

Enough about Aratai rights, now it's time to discuss Aratai wrongs

[lyric tendon]

#1: they exist

[pseudo nimbus]

They don't jave poker yet

[digital flower]

I mean I've been intoxicated and tried to discuss lore before and I'm still not banned yet...

[plain plover]

#3 they are blue 🤢

[pseudo nimbus]

#4 they don't have roulette or weed or alcohol

[digital flower]

#2: They look like budget orks

[plain plover]

I wonder if weed is in the Genesis database

[digital flower]

Ark 2 drugs confirmed

[pseudo nimbus]

They don't invent wheel for roulette I not playing ark 2

[digital flower]

I mean we could already get high in Aberration nothing saying there won't be ways to get high in ark 2...

[plain plover]

In the original book of War of the Worlds, The aliens discover cinnamon is a drug for them, and get so high off of it that they lose the war, and turn Earth into space Vegas.

[pseudo nimbus]

I think another budweiser will put me sleep

Low quality alcohol at its finest

[pseudo nimbus]

Imagin e cinnamon toast crunch for break fast

I forgor to get drunk on July 4th today

[plain plover]

Ok, here's the plan for how we deal with the Aratai. We give them weed, and they all get addicted to it, then they have to rely on us for weed. so then we agree to trade land for weed, and then we quickly reduce the power of their civilization to nothing and they don't even realize it.

[pseudo nimbus]

When I get sober from my hanging I will try my cookie edibles

[plain plover]

[pseudo nimbus]

Bro why are there neighbors at my door

[plain plover]

The power is out and you are not really talking to anyone. all this is imaginary and you are staring at a black screen

[pseudo nimbus]

They told I was too loud with the bottle breaking

[plain plover]

ok

[pseudo nimbus]

I wanna see

[plain plover]

This channel was created because we wouldn't stop reffering to Rockwell's innards as Rockwell's Anus in general

[pseudo nimbus]

I generated another budweiser after drinking 7 should I chug this down too

I try to sleep with budweiser

I think strider were spies

Tech beer

[bronze turtle]

imagine if the dinos were just humans that drank some wierd ass spinal fluid from a founding dino

[harsh stratus]

you trippin bruh

maybe our character is just on drugs

[pseudo nimbus]

Why is tek usually in all caps

Does UT start for somthing

[azure fiber]

Hi

[brazen sparrow]

No, we don't know where the engrammic matrices are stored, but it's a safe bet that it's on the ring itself/in the pods

[lyric tendon]

the pods are away from the rings

[brazen sparrow]

Otherwise, no one would be able to be cloned and the whole point of the ship is negated

The pods were sent down, yes. But that doesn't mean they can't communicate with the ring to pump out more clones if needed

If they're stored on the ring, that is

If the whole plan is to have people essentially be turned into data so they can be cloned, it would be a pretty shit idea to have them not be able to be sent to the pods remotely

But then there's the question of where in the heck do the pods get the biomatter to construct a person from, is it stored in the pod? If so, where? Is there a meat drawer on every pod?

[forest geyser]

so after reading all this, here's a pitch for a DLC.

semi-horror themed like Aberration, but it's in orbit. power is failing everywhere and weird hybrids have cropped up everywhere. Dunno how you'd get the Arati up there.

[bold dove]

......And where are the ARK's in this?

[forest geyser]

I mean that depends on where the ARKs are in Ark 2

[bold dove]

They're not

We're across the galaxy from Earth.

[forest geyser]

yeah, so?

The pitch would be in orbit of Arat?

[bold dove]

ARK's where only made for Earth

They would have no purpose on other planets.

[forest geyser]

I never disputed this?

[bold dove]

Then what is said map even set on, if it's 'in orbit?'

[brazen sparrow]

He means how is there things in orbit when there are no Arks and the ship blew up

[forest geyser]

kinda going off of this kind of discussion

[bold dove]

So, Eden being the setting?

[brazen sparrow]

The ring has crashed though, confirmed in the trailers

So that's a moot point tbh

[lyric tendon]

i am 100% certain Eden is crashed since the first trailer launched

[tired stream]

I just want a big cave DLC but on the same planet

[rain dock]

Like an ab type thing?

[tired stream]

Yeah but it would have to make sense and be completely different but with the same vibe you know?

[rain dock]

Would be cool if new dlc just unlock regions on the same map rather than a new map

[rain dock]

Would be awesome

Would be nice if it was a big cave system instead of just an open area, bit that would probably be too op for pvp lol

[bold dove]

They could have Arat have a underworld type thing.

Akin to Godzilla vs Kong's underworld. (i forgot what they actually called it)

[arctic bison]

the hollow earth

[bold dove]

Thank you

Arat could have that type of thing

[tired stream]

Could be cooollll ngl

[brazen sparrow]

Wtf

[brazen sparrow]

I can't emoji react to this message with this: 😲

I've emoji reacted to messages in here before so like... the fuck

[tender wasp]

Maybe cause you are blocked ?

[mental isle]

L

O

L

[plain plover]

[bronze turtle]

:emoji_11:

[brazen sparrow]

Yeah, Bootleg blocked me 😔

[bold dove]

No i didn't?

[sick canyon]

Ah yes lore

[misty crest]

A hollow earth style map on ark would be dope

[misty crest]

I thought it was the debri of the ship but the ring makes sense now

[plain plover]

I we talked about earlier how that piece looks more like the solar sail bearings then the ring

The ring is probably still orbiting the planet

[brazen sparrow]

I highly doubt it, because then how did the dinosaurs get on the planet? Do we really think they have pods the size of which can hold a rex to send down? Let alone, repeatedly?

[misty crest]

That possibly means that many of the gen2 Dino’s on the Eden ring probably did not survive the crash

Like gasbags and maewings

One thing I’m hoping for is to see creatures native to the planet

[arctic bison]

besides the aratai

we know they will be using tamed creatures, and it better not be dinos

[loud zenith]

But the maps went down they r full of dinos

[plain plover]

The pods are really big, even though it doesn't seem like it. but they're each large enough to hold a bronto with ease

Vinny D is only looking through one window on the pod, and not even the main one

[brazen sparrow]

They looked pretty tiny to me, but idk it's not a good shot of the whole thing either

I just don't see how the pods would get back to the ring/how it could continue to produce pods to send them in

Atmosphere is a helluva deterrent in that regard, not to mention some might not make it on the descent like the pods that crashed into eachother

[plain plover]

The ring is probably has the capability of producing pods, Afterall the mining probes weren't destroyed in the explosion

[brazen sparrow]

We don't know that

They'd also have nothing to mine, as far as I'm aware, in orbit

[rain dock]

I was thinking more like the new México cave system lol.

[tender wasp]

The pods are big but not big enough for a bronto. A friend of mine did look in the assets how big they are and the Ring crashed/landed on the planet, that is how the dinos came there. YOu see the ring in the newest trailer in the back.

[plain plover]

That's a piece of the solar sail, you can see the structual ring that held the warpdrive

and I'm the guy who's been faking the ARK 2 teasers. I have a good idea of how big the pods are, Santiago was in a single room of the Pods, and even that was pretty large. the Pods have one giant window in the front, way smaller in proportion to what Santiago was looking out of.

[sullen salmon]

v

deos sombody want to play ark with me on the small-tribes48 server
plz

[digital flower]

#735196255483068497 is your channel

[tender wasp]

He made screens of the pods and they are not that big, that a Bronto would fit in. They are not small but also not that gigantic and as the Ring decents to the planet it looks like it was allways made to land on a planet fitting the needs to the release all what it has in it. The pods look like they were mainly made for humans.
And in the new Trailer that is the Eden Ring.. the ship did explode near the other Planet/moon whatever.. no chance that it crashed on the planet.. not to say what would happen if a part of the ship big as that would crash full speed on the planet..

[bronze turtle]

can someone dm me the whole lore for each map?

[forest geyser]

I'll do you one better. I'll DM you the Explorer Notes page on the wiki

[bronze turtle]

thats boring tho

[forest geyser]

but.....that's literally the lore

[small rune]

Lol

[tired stream]

He wants pictures lol

Or just go in game and read them

[bold dove]

He's one of those people that refuse to read a book if they don't have pictures

[oblique creek]

Or there was a video on YouTube reading the explorer notes with what’s happening in the background

[tired stream]

Only goes to scorched

[oblique creek]

Yeah but good for some lore

And it’s pretty entertaining

[pseudo nimbus]

Did Jamie leave agaim?

[tender wasp]

No, I am only busy with artfight

[bold dove]

Their name would be clear instead of the pinkish-purple

[pseudo nimbus]

You name was white and only showing your discord name you were thr only person it was doing it to

[tender wasp]

Discord does that sometimes for no reason. Have that from time to time too.

[bold dove]

It's a server issue iirr

More bigger servers start having this issue.
And the ARK discord is a REALLY big server.

[pseudo nimbus]

[rapid bluff]

Bulbdog > shinehorn (found in lore)

[tired stream]

Why?

[clear cipher]

Lord time

[lyric tendon]

citation needed

[rapid bluff]

Source - it’s a fact

[lyric tendon]

your facts must be wrong then

[rapid bluff]

“My”?

Facts aren’t wrong

[lyric tendon]

you are in the domain of the Lore Nerds, cite what note to proof "you found it in lore"

[rapid bluff]

Ok

The proof is

[lyric tendon]

"because i said so?"

[rapid bluff]

No

It’s

[plain plover]

I agree shinehorn tops

[small rune]

Pretty sure the lore states it’s Glowtail
(Don’t check)

[bold dove]

Don't specifically state

[small rune]

I said don’t check

[bold dove]

Never states

[tired stream]

All the light pets have better stats then the other by a little bit

But all different stats

Like bulbdog gets more charge I think and glowtail has the best range

Then the other 2 idk

[brazen sparrow]

Charge capacity for the featherlight and re-charge rate (see what I did there? 😏 ) for the shinehorn iirc

[tired stream]

Bulbdog has the best charge capacity out of all of them

Glowtail has the best regeneration

Then the rest all have a emission range of 12 except the featherlight has 3

The shinehorn is like a well rounded in everything pet so I’d say they are the best

[brazen sparrow]

There's four stats, so each one is specialized for one of them, just too lazy to look 😂

[tired stream]

I looked at the wiki

And I’m only seeing 3 stats

Some get more or less of whatever stat when they get tamed then the others

I was just going off wild stats since I’m too lazy to do anything else

[brazen sparrow]

Ah, ok

[rigid palm]

I have stat tables for each of them but it’d probably clutter the chat and mods wouldn’t be happy

But basically,
Bulbdog is best in charge capacity, at around 72k when maxed
Glowtail is best in charge regen, at around 70k when maxed
Featherlight is best in emission range, at around 6k when maxed
And shinehorn has the best overall stats, or the most balanced

[tired stream]

Shinehorn on top

[lyric tendon]

Shinehorn is most balanced

[bold dove]

Question: Did Santiago also make the Exo-meks, or just the regular Extinction meks?

[lyric tendon]

Just the Ext Mek

I have a hunch that HLNA made the Exos

On the topic of Meks since I haven't touched Ext for the long time

How the Heck Nida knew the Meks exist since she made most of the nonsensical stuff in the Gen Sim

Is the Mek exist before corruption?

[bold dove]

This again, proves my point that Santiago didn't event meks as a whole.
Humans have always wanted humanoid robots to pilot.
He could've also made them during the Tek-War

I don't at any point, remember him stating that he 'invented' meks.
Just made the ones on Extinction.

[lyric tendon]

He really didnt

[bold dove]

Didn't what?
Gotta be more specific.

[lyric tendon]

He is mostly modified them, I mean the Author's Meks are vastly different than ours

Ours is probably standard military spec

[bold dove]

That, or our own version of the blueprints Santiago made.
Seems like every survivor that got one had a mek unique to them.

Mei's was a lot more lean, meant for the quick sword type combat she liked.

But yeah, i've always been confused on that.
I never remember him stating he 'invented' meks. Just made the ones on Extinction.

So yeah, like you said. We probably use the standard URE version of the meks.
While the Exo-meks could be the Fed-version

Sorry, it would be reversed.

Since Santiago is Federation, the URE would have the Exo-Mek

[lyric tendon]

Tbf the Exo is more utilitarian than combat

[bold dove]

True

[lyric tendon]

The only time it ever cause damage if HLNA is involved

[bold dove]

Or when it punches, but that's like smacking someone with a watermelon.
Effective for humans, but shit for bigger things

[lyric tendon]

Not to mention Exos are fragile

Visually and Gameplay wise

[solemn linden]

correct.

[bold dove]

I think i get why people think Santiago invented meks as a whole

Cause he 'did' invent the Mega-Mek.

[lyric tendon]

Oh ye

Wait who made the Tek Nuke then?

[solemn linden]

HLNA didn't make the Exo-meks.

[bold dove]

Diana and friends

[lyric tendon]

It's a hunch

I have forgotten the note que when made an exo

I am still basing in on it just exist in Terminus mission and you can use HLNA to deal damage

[tired stream]

How?

[lyric tendon]

Note Citation Needed

[solemn linden]

When you craft an Exo-mek HLNA says this:

“That there's a Federation exo-mek, a kind of utility work suit for the crew to pilot inside and outside this starship.
Good for repairs, heavy lifting, EVAs -- plus they could take a beating!
I can see how these could really come in handy, especially given how fragile you humans are.”

In the Terminus mission, she says that she went “exo-mek shopping in the ship’s fabrication catalog” and that the phase cannon on it “just so happens to interface with yours truly”.

It seems to imply that it was an already existing blueprint that HLNA found and used. So she didn’t make all the exo-meks but she did basically 3D print that one from the blueprint. She might have made some modifications so that she could interface with it though.

[solemn linden]

Shinehorn is just a tiny glowing goat. Bulbdog is an absolute abomination - a crime against nature + when it sits on my shoulder it stretches into something vaguely resembling a club for some reason. Therefore bulbdog is superior as it can stretch.

[tired stream]

Oh I thought it was actual lore lol

I like all the glow pets

[solemn linden]

that's fair lmao

[tired stream]

They kinda nailed it with all of them

[solemn linden]

Yeah all the glow pets are great

[tired stream]

They nailed all of Aberration as a whole

Except nameless and seekers they can respectfully die

[bold dove]

Y'all notice how HLN-A triples in size on the mek?

She's the size of a dinner-plate in-game, but then the size of a fucking truck-tier while on the Exo-mek

[lyric tendon]

I mean, she is a hologram

[bold dove]

She's a robot

[solemn linden]

Yeah Aberration is great. Also the nameless and seekers were a nice change of pace from regular ARK gameplay in my opinion. Though it would have been nice if they didn't spawn in the same areas lmao

[bold dove]

She's only a hologram within the simulation

[solemn linden]

She mentions being a hologram multiple times outside of the simulation.

[bold dove]

When?

[lyric tendon]

AFK quips

Maybe

[solemn linden]

I'd have to check through all her voice lines to find it but I remember her mentioning being a hologram multiple times on Gen 2

[bold dove]

I never had considered the AFK chatter to be canon, since she literally makes fun of us players making a sandwich while she's stuck babysitting us in one of her lines

[tired stream]

They spawn in the same area yet have opposite counters and mechanics

Pure aids

Still not as annoying as purlovia tho, they deserve to be deleted

[lyric tendon]

Tbh seekers are nom-able with a drake anyways

[tired stream]

It’s not hard to kill them it’s just annoying turning your light on and off every 10 seconds for nameless and seekers

[lyric tendon]

I am sure you can Auto light tho even they are recharged

The annoying bit when you ran out of change while trying to kill seekers

[tired stream]

HLNAs best line “let’s do this again”

[lyric tendon]

Near a bed lol

[tired stream]

With the hearts

[solemn linden]

👀

[lyric tendon]

That image ignited the #CursedLore

[bold dove]

With the survivor possibly being by themselves for many, many, many years. HLN-A was the closest thing to a human like friend to them.
It would make sense that they'd.....ignite something. 👀

See?
Even HLN-A agrees.

[river ridge]

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has good monument knowledge
farm when told
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[warped herald]

Wrong area man, this isnt the recruiting area. It lore talk area

[upbeat meadow]

So close but so far

[fallow sapphire]

Idk man, that looks like good lore to me

[rigid palm]

13 channels away lol

[rapid bluff]

I remember that Japanese man screaming at me to join his clan when I first joined a pvp server tho, clearly in the lore.

[bold dove]

Out there theory that could or could not be true. But what if element is actually from another dimension?

[brazen sparrow]

Like how 115 shouldn't exist in the Zombies universe, but just kinda... does tho? I think that's not too out there, but a little more out there than it being made by some progenitor race on some planet out there somewhere

[bold dove]

Isn't 115 made by an ancient alien race?

And yeah. It's not that far out for what element has already demonstrated.

[brazen sparrow]

From another dimension, but yes

[bold dove]

Honestly (at least personally) that'd be one of the best outcome they did with Element. Then it would 'actually' explain how it's a law-defying substance.

[brazen sparrow]

Perhaps

It would be pretty hard to explain how an alien race created a living substance that can do anything, just about 😅

[bold dove]

I meant the dimension thing

[pseudo nimbus]

Santiago made a Wunderwaffe out of element when he was alive

Nah @bold dove you saying santiago made a pack a punch out of element?

[pseudo nimbus]

We dont need ark to become a multiverse

[bold dove]

Bruh

Are you still high?

[pseudo nimbus]

I only drank 3 cans of budweiser

It isn't much of a stretch to think that alternate dimensions= multiverse

[bold dove]

We're living in a multiverse.

[pseudo nimbus]

Proof

[pseudo nimbus]

What makes you thing I'm high?

[bold dove]

How is making element from another dimension making it multiverse?

You.....do know the differences of a universe and dimension, right?

[pseudo nimbus]

It's the same thing

[bold dove]

Not at all

[pseudo nimbus]

Why not

[bold dove]

A universe is just another version of what we have, galaxies and planets and shit. Just formed differently.
A dimension is a whole different 'reality' of our own.
It's our 'universe' but with new rules.
Hints the 3 different dimensions in measurements.

Cause we live in the '3rd' dimension.
Which means width, height, and depth.
But a 2nd dimension could exist, and be only width and height.
Their whole reality is basically 2D.
But everything else is roughly the same.

[pseudo nimbus]

Why not 4th dinension

[bold dove]

Basically, another universe would just be more galaxies and shit.
Another dimension is like the Upside-Down from Stranger-Things. (if you've seen that)

[pseudo nimbus]

Or 5th

[bold dove]

There is actually

We just can't comprehend it.

I tried to watch a video of someone trying their best to explain what the 4th dimension would look like.
And my brain fried.

[pseudo nimbus]

What is 4th dimension

[pseudo nimbus]

Most media portrays dimensions as a multiverse

[bold dove]

In short if i recall right, it's like our dimension. But like, everything is extra 3D. (if that even makes sense)

[pseudo nimbus]

That or I am just now starting to get drunk

[bold dove]

Yep.
And they get it wrong as fuck.

[pseudo nimbus]

What... what do you mean extra 3d? I wouldn't describe 3d as "extra 2d

[bold dove]

Marvel so far is more or less does it better, since the other 'multiverse' version of characters are from other timelines.
And timeline science is a whole other convo i don't want to get into right now.

[bold dove]

Yep.
That's the point

[bold dove]

Mind if i show you a GIF of a 4D cube?

[pseudo nimbus]

Yes

[bold dove]

That hurts my brain

Like i said, 'extra 3D' is like the best way i could describe it.

@pseudo nimbus I know.
Hard to comprehend it, isn't it?

[pseudo nimbus]

Yeah

So back to the hole element dimension think

[bold dove]

Yeah.
Point is, it'd make sense if element came from an Upside-Down bootleg. That's like our reality, but all of the rules are twisted

[pseudo nimbus]

You said somthing somghing it's the best outcome

[pseudo nimbus]

You really think so?

[bold dove]

Hmmyes

That, or it was created by another species. But then you'd still have the issue of it breaking our fucking rules of reality.

[pseudo nimbus]

I still thing that if element came from a different dimension it would fuck the rules so bad of this dimension

[bold dove]

It already has

[pseudo nimbus]

Like the laws just don't exits and it makes it another dimension with the same rules

[bold dove]

The amount of energy it produces, and yet, it's super stable?
Nah man. That shit ain't normal.
This motherfucker can power a gun with basically the power of a Nuclear-reactor, and it's chill.
That shit is sus

[bold dove]

Our dimension wouldn't change its rules just cause it came into ours. If that's what you're asking.
But the rules it has in its own would still apply to itself.

[pseudo nimbus]

It makes no sense stil

I think the rules would have to change because t isn't a law anymore

[bold dove]

Welcome to dimension talking

[bold dove]

Nope.
Since theoretically, how we're made is what the rules of the dimension.
And if we can walk dimensions, then unless we'd be remorphed from the ground up to now apply to the rules of the new reality (which would probably kill us) then we'd be fine.
We're the the abnormalities now. And the dimension....'maaaay' start to tear itself apart with the confusion of another being from a different reality being inside of it.

[pseudo nimbus]

The last clunk of sentences

[bold dove]

Right, so that's your point.
I would say it all depends how horrible the changes are that element is bringing, and how common it is. (which seems to be pretty damn common in Genesis-2)
Our reality would slowly break, and not instantly.

Ayo, i just figured out how ARK-5 is going to end!
Our dimension just fucking crumbles!

[digital flower]

Hell yeah finally

[pseudo nimbus]

A new map in alternate dimensions

[bold dove]

Ah yes.
The ARK's version of the Upside-down.

(actually, that sounds dope as fuck.)

[pseudo nimbus]

Tameable summoner in upside down

[bold dove]

Have you watched Stranger-Things?

[pseudo nimbus]

No but it looks dope

[bold dove]

Man, you need to watch it.
Got a Netflix?

[tender wasp]

Watch it, it is pretty good.

[pseudo nimbus]

I might watch it on a bootleg Netflix because even though I have plenty of money I ain't paying for netflix

[bold dove]

True.
But you need to man. It's good if you like horror/thriller stuff

[pseudo nimbus]

Is it even better while your intoxicated?

[bold dove]

Yes and no.
There's some parts that'd probably would be great while high or some shit.
But there is a plot that you may forget or not pay attention to if you're too intoxicated.

But anyway.
I hope for the last DLC, or the dlc before the finale ends just like how the finale of Season-4 of Stranger-Things ends. (not going to say since spoilers.)

[pseudo nimbus]

||just black bar it like this||

[bold dove]

I could send you a image instead, which may convey what i feel better.

That's if you don't care for spoilers.

[pseudo nimbus]

That's fine

[bold dove]

Fine on not wanting the spoiler, or sending the image?

|test|

Shit

||There we go||

[pseudo nimbus]

Image

[small rune]

[bold dove]

||Spoilers for Stranger-Things 4's ending.||
||That's a giant ass rift of the upside-down carving its way into our reality. And so, it would be dope and fuck for the finale of ARK-2 if the dimension where element came from. (if it did came from one) is tearing itself open now, and the only way to stop it, is by going inside and making a one-way trip of shutting the two realities permentalty.||

[pseudo nimbus]

Ark 2 was going to be primitive i thought

[small rune]

Shame Netflix might be gone by the time S5 is out

[bold dove]

ARK-2's 'base-game' at least

No talk of DLC's not progressing.

[pseudo nimbus]

They said no tek and primarily primitive

[bold dove]

Yes.
'for the base-game'
For 'ARK-2' nothing about future content

[pseudo nimbus]

And adding shit like that would piss a lot of people off
Then again they added tek and went with tek against community wishes

[bold dove]

Removing this shit has already pissed people off, if not more.

[pseudo nimbus]

The tek community is speaking up for itself

[tired stream]

I’m pretty split between tek

I think it’s cool and I don’t mind it but I also wouldn’t care if it was gone

[digital flower]

TekGang rise up!

[bold dove]

Well, 'primitive only' means also no industrial, if even medieval stuff.
So we're all on the same boat.

[tired stream]

Primitive to tek would probably be industrial tho

[pseudo nimbus]

Ok but who actually hated industrial stuff being in ark?

[tired stream]

Not sticks like we would think

[tired stream]

Kinda what made ark, ark for me ngl

[bold dove]

So far, we've only seen Unga-Bunga primitive. So i wouldn't hold me breath.

[digital flower]

Tbf I've never seen anyone complain about that tier only just tek

[tired stream]

Every trailer it’s been getting more evolved so we can only hope

[pseudo nimbus]

I want a house made of hemp

[digital flower]

[bold dove]

Yeah, by a smudge.
By the last trailer. They'll figure out how to use leaves to wipe their ass.

[solemn linden]

When they said primarily primitive, they were talking about the kind of items that we'll have access to rather than the setting. For example: Tek still exists in ARK 2 as part of the setting, primarily due to the remains of the colony ship, but we won't be able to use forcefields and teleporters and all that. As such something like what Bootleg is suggesting doesn't necessarily go against what we know about ARK 2.

[digital flower]

UUGA BOOGA caveman make fire

[tender wasp]

Cause Industrial never was really unbalanced besides the shotgun

[sick canyon]

I want a house made of bronto poop

[pseudo nimbus]

Nah they'll just use a rock
Or realize it's poison ivy leaves

[bold dove]

The way at least i thought how they could do DLC's, is to make them limited in transfering.
(official wise) future DLC content can't be transfered to previous map if it breaks both the balance and the feel of the map.
Let's say, you can't tranfer obviously tek-based shit on a later tek-based DLC to the first map, that's caveman themed.
Nor can you transfer creatures that wouldn't fit the theme or balance of older maps.
'But' you can transfer from older maps to newer ones, bringing your Unga-Bunga boi to the next tier.
And all of this, you can still bring your character and tames that spawn on the same map. You just can't transfer any of the new OP shit/non-primitive shit to the older maps.

[tired stream]

They went from running from a rex to having it tamed so idk

[digital flower]

I mean if it is survival evolved maybe as the game goes on the technology will evolve alongside it I'm just hoping they don't do that in future expansions

[bold dove]

That's....not much advancement right there.

[pseudo nimbus]

No industrial means no indy forge and that's a problem

[tender wasp]

Maybe was the egg they stole

[digital flower]

or chem bench or the grinder

[tired stream]

That tiny blue one? Doubt

[bold dove]

Or the rex in the first trailer, and he went back to it.

[sick canyon]

Hopefully in ark ll you won't need unrealistic amounts of metal

[digital flower]

Santiago 2 Electrical Boogaloo talked about family and convinced the rex to join them

[bold dove]

That's if even metal is a crafting resource.

[tender wasp]

In reality Dino Eggs have not been very big

[sick canyon]

Like 1000 metal ingots for a sword

[tired stream]

They better not go that ooga booga

[bold dove]

And this is the downside of a 'Unga-Bunga' game

[tired stream]

There is a point on the official ooga booga line that shouldn’t be crossed

[sick canyon]

It will be
I guarantee it

[tired stream]

I mean metal has to be… can’t really make a whole lot of content with just sticks and bows

[bold dove]

What made ARK, ARK for me was the fact you started as a caveman type thinking, to learning how to make sci-fi shit.
The progression is like no other in a more action focus game. And only seen in games like Civilization.

[bold dove]

You'd be surprised.

[tired stream]

Yes exactly, same.

[tender wasp]

At some point people will cry for new stuff

[digital flower]

yeah they'll realise that unga bunga style isn't the best

[tired stream]

If they don’t start at industrial tier I can definitely see people begging for it enough for them to just add it

[sick canyon]

we need more ark 100 players simulate civilization videos
It's the perfect game for that challenge

[digital flower]

also why are we discussing ark 2 in the lore channel?

[tired stream]

I didn’t even notice

[pseudo nimbus]

Those videos are so cringe by the thumbnail I never watched them

[bold dove]

Yeah, and i'd like that for ARK-2.
But unless they go the rought of 'dlc progress our technology' then we'll never get it in ARK-2..........

[sick canyon]

All these channels are just merging together at this point

[digital flower]

fair

[bold dove]

They're actually (most of the time) pretty good.
Cause every player has one-life.

[digital flower]

It would be cool if we got an nod back to ark 1 with maybe a tutorial type thing for new players being set in the genesis simulation

just as a gameplay thing though

[bold dove]

lore-nerdz, bruh.
We've talked about Rockwell's anus in here. This shit is normal.

[tired stream]

I had a bad addiction of ark 100 days hardcore vids

Then I ran out

[digital flower]

tbf the 100 days hardcore vids for ark isn't as nearly as saturated as other survival games

cough MC

[pseudo nimbus]

Those videos are also super cringe

[digital flower]

depends on the creator

[sick canyon]

Zany zebra is great

[pseudo nimbus]

Take back what I said that game is the embodiment of cringe

[tired stream]

Bro hates everything lol

Joke btw

[digital flower]

I liked lukethenotable's 100 day hardcore videos but he also kicked started the trend and he's now milking it for content pretty much

[pseudo nimbus]

Oh if I hated everything wouldn't be a stoner gambler and a drunk at the same time

[bold dove]

No offence. But unless i'm missing something, you sound like you need to recheck your life-goals.

[tired stream]

He’s chillin

[pseudo nimbus]

Now your just naming off kids youtubers

[digital flower]

Yeah minecraft in this current generation is more cringe than what it was back when I was younger

[pseudo nimbus]

Enjoying life

[solemn linden]

Because they were discussing a lore theory, then started talking about how it could factor into the story of ARK 2 and then swapped over to discussing ARK 2 when someone said that the theory wouldn't work with ARK 2 due to the whole "primarily primitive" thing.

Basically as the discussion went on it kind of swapped over from theorizing about lore to general ARK 2 discussion.

[pseudo nimbus]

Nostalgia be like

[tired stream]

Nah it’s not nostalgia with Minecraft the community is genuinely annoying now and the game is boring and the devs are lazy

[sick canyon]

It's great seeing everyone discussing lore

[digital flower]

I blame yt shorts and tiktok

[pseudo nimbus]

I watched old technoblade videos and I cringed so hard I paused the video, smoked some weed, played the video and it was still cringe

[digital flower]

actually ruining this generation

[tired stream]

I wouldn’t blame tiktok for making Minecraft boring lol

[digital flower]

I mean I never really liked his video's or content but I still felt the sincerity from his passing he was a pretty influential creator in the mc community

[digital flower]

It definitely helped

[sick canyon]

Minecraft is overrated ngl

[digital flower]

still a factor to play

[tired stream]

Maybe if they updated the game more then one time a year that would of helped it not be the way it is…

[digital flower]

Modded minecraft enjoyers vs vanilla fans

[digital flower]

that's why I play the game modded

Vanilla is too boring to me at least

[tired stream]

Without mods Minecraft would of died a long ass time ago

[digital flower]

Speaks for any game really

[pseudo nimbus]

Imagine hating on someone for enjoying their life it ain't easy balancing 3 potential addictions and a job

[digital flower]

Potential?

[pseudo nimbus]

Yes

Alcohol gambling and weed all have the potential to get me addicted and somehow I'm not

[sick canyon]

One of them being ark

[pseudo nimbus]

I AM addicted to that though

[digital flower]

I said potential because it seems to me that you already are, everytime I've seen you in here you're either high or drunk or even both lmao

Not that I'm judging

At least you're enjoying yourself

[tender wasp]

Actually sad when you need weed and alcohol to enjoy your life..

[pseudo nimbus]

I'm usually not high but I occasionally get drink in here

[pseudo nimbus]

I don't need it lol

I like playing ark and i always have

I enjoyed doing that

[tender wasp]

No offence but I heard that a lot from people and in the end they all needed it.

[sick canyon]

To be fair most people need something to enjoy in their life

[digital flower]

Power of ark is preventing you from getting addicted to other substances because you're already addicted to ark

[pseudo nimbus]

When you find out I get weed for medical purposes

[pseudo nimbus]

That's very fair

[pseudo nimbus]

Hahaha

[sick canyon]

Anyway... so has anyone counted how many eyeballs rockwell prime has?

[pseudo nimbus]

I mean I'm not shaking in my boots to get my next 12 pack of beer or my next hit of weed

[pseudo nimbus]

Probably spread out all across the Gen ship and not just in innards

[sick canyon]

But how many is the question? How many balls does he have?

[pseudo nimbus]

Lady's and gentlemen, we got em

[pseudo nimbus]

Believe it or not I've never been both I don't even know what happens when that happens

I might get warned for my new nickname lol

[digital flower]

You'll probably fine we've been discussing drugs and alcohol in this channel and ark 2

If you ever got a warning it would've been a long time ago

[pseudo nimbus]

Lol wdym

[digital flower]

Have you gotten a warning before

[pseudo nimbus]

I mean i don't deny I'm probably the most sus person in this whole discord

[pseudo nimbus]

No

[digital flower]

Then you're probably fine the mods are pretty chill on this discord

Although at any moment they could just straight up warn you they might even be watching us now

[pseudo nimbus]

Yeah we are fine

[digital flower]

Lol

[pseudo nimbus]

Chat died when Jamie screamed at me because i enjoy alcohol and weed lol

[lyric tendon]

ATLAS pulls off the no industrial thing until now

Granted they only stopped to say post-medieval tier, you still have gunpowdered weapons

[digital flower]

Yeah I thought it was strange of ATLAS to add that

[lyric tendon]

It is strange like you have the "scrapped roof" building tier lol

[digital flower]

sounds a lot like rust

[past echo]

Why am I being tagged

[lyric tendon]

No, not like Rust

Like everything is made from literally rusted corrugated roof

[digital flower]

yeah I was saying it's similar because Rust's buildings are made in scrap metal

at least the final tier is

[pseudo nimbus]

Scrap metal ingot

[digital flower]

and that has a scrapped rustic feel to it

[lyric tendon]

You made a brand new tetanus tier that is already rusted and decayed when placed lol

[pseudo nimbus]

Atlas stopped getting updated also wrong chat

[tender wasp]

I didn't scream. I simply stated it.

[pseudo nimbus]

You've nagged on me before about it so I'm going sober 2 weeks

[lyric tendon]

they keep updating, also you are drunk

[pseudo nimbus]

No I am not

[lyric tendon]

even if you are not, i still call you drunk anyways

[digital flower]

sounds like something someone who is drunk would say

[pseudo nimbus]

I'm going sober for 2 weeks just to prove to Jamie I am not addicted and I just simply enjoy being intoxicated

[lyric tendon]

tell that to people who are already addicted to ARK lmao

[pseudo nimbus]

Oh no Jamie is pissed

[tender wasp]

Proofs not much. I know a alcoholic that drinks nothing for a week or two and then ends up drunk again like mad.

[pseudo nimbus]

Alright how long do you thingi need to go

[tender wasp]

And you don’t need to proof anything to me. It is your own decission.

[pseudo nimbus]

I still have ego

[tender wasp]

That has nothing to do with ego. You need to do it for yourself not for others.

[pseudo nimbus]

The ego to prove to someone who dosent care

[pseudo nimbus]

That was my plan anyways

[lyric tendon]

basically be forever drunk

[bold dove]

3 weeks.

[tired stream]

50 weeks

[brazen sparrow]

I love this idea, mostly because it makes the game easier to balance for as they don't have to go back to old maps and fuck with them to make them compatible with the new creatures/features (and creature features 😂 ). They would only have to worry about including the features in the maps going forward, for example like if they added climbing picks to DLC 1 and had terrain to complement it, that terrain would be found (in some capacity) in DLC 2, 3, etc

[bold dove]

Right.
Doing a system like that would reduce so much of the balancing issues

And it could be a checkmark option. So unofficial servers can turn it off and go the old-faction way.

And be a win-win for everyone. Since if you don't like the later on sci-fi stuff. Don't buy the fucking map.
Unlike ARK-1, you wouldn't be forced to stay up-to-date to have an advantage.

[brazen sparrow]

You literally boast about getting high or drunk 24/7, highly doubt that it's medical lmao

[lyric tendon]

@fresh chasm already did that in his videos

Let's just say the outcome is mixed (as a participant)

[fresh chasm]

Lol, I finished the script yesterday. Just have to edit it now

[fallow sapphire]

[pseudo nimbus]

Boast

[pseudo nimbus]

I don't dunk money for views

[runic anvil]

Tbh I don't like either

[glad crow]

This has gotten rather off topic, but nobody seems to mind because lore nerdz.

[lyric tendon]

Lore Nerdz is more of a public club than a chat

[glad crow]

Fair.

[brazen sparrow]

[tawdry gorge]

anyone able to give me good breeding ember wyvern lines for free?

[trim ember]

I think this is the wrong channel

[lyric tendon]

is there a lore for that?

[digital flower]

Is that lore or gameplay related?

[brazen sparrow]

I don't think so 🤔

[viscid chasm]

[pseudo nimbus]

Yes?

[quaint marsh]

Is there any lore that explains reproduction on the ARKs? Since everyone have implants, in the theoretical case of two survivors having a baby, would the baby be born with an implant aswell, or would the Overseer not mess with it?

Or would the Overseer perhaps prevent reproduction entirely among humans?

[bold dove]

Babies can exist, but we don't know about implants

Rockwell helps delivers a baby, actually.
On Scorched Earth

[quaint marsh]

Oh yeah, that's right!

I forgot about that one. He kills em all afterwards though, right?

[bold dove]

Though with the implants, it'll be confirmed in ARK-2 if Vin's daughter is his biological daughter.

[bold dove]

Yep

[quaint marsh]

Hmm yes, interested to find out

[tired stream]

Being born with a implant would be very odd

[bold dove]

Why does everyone say this?

This is fucking 'ARK' we're talking about

Being born with a metal implant is the least weirdest shit.

[tired stream]

All I said is that it would be odd lmao

Because it would be

[lyric tendon]

it be painful AF for the mother tho

unless is the baby is born from an egg or something

also it's not called an "implant" if its born with it

[tired stream]

Wouldn’t be that bad if the implant grows with the baby

[glad crow]

The implant is to some degree element right?

[lyric tendon]

the implant is bigger than the newborns arm lmao

[tired stream]

I said if it grows with the baby

As In not bigger then the babies arm lol

If it was normal size on the baby that would hurt a lot

I don’t think it’s a thing people are born with tho

[lyric tendon]

but still, it wont be called an "implant" still if the baby is born with it unless each reproductive cell has a speck of "implant" implanted in it

[tired stream]

Think so

[glad crow]

The survivors probably thought it was implanted, doesn't mean they're right.

[glad crow]

Element is alive and can replicate, so there's a little more substance for your theory.

[tired stream]

Still idk if it would make sense, element could probably grow but not the actual metal itself

I think meeka is a clone

[lyric tendon]

i mean all survivors with an implant is a clone

i am still holding my theory that Meeka is Yonki's Daughter that is adopted by Vin out of vow

if she is not then WTH is with the Yonki Deal then?

[tired stream]

Doesn’t matter either way because we all know she exist just for vin to have family

[glad crow]

I feel insulted that you backpedal your theory when I join your side. /j.

[tired stream]

I never made a theory I just said it wouldn’t be that bad if it would grow with the baby lol

If it was a being born with thing

Which I don’t think it is

Because if meeka was biological you would think there would be more kids right

[glad crow]

Hence the '/j'. It is interesting to think about the logistics of birth on the ark and gen ships. We know birth is possible from scorched.

[lyric tendon]

i mean in the Oviraptor dossier stated the evidence of having kids in the ARKs (provided the dossiers is iffy)

[tired stream]

We already knew kids were possible

[glad crow]

Lore from dossiers, I need to go read them all now.

[tired stream]

Probably not even worth it

[glad crow]

Little tidbits are important, and Ned has made videos on some of them so...

[lyric tendon]

there are some lore from the dossiers but Ab and Ext dossiers plus the Mod Map Dossiers are iffy

in fact one of the characters in #ark-animated-series is based on the Parasaur Dossier

[tired stream]

Who…?

[lyric tendon]

the new character with many tames

[tired stream]

Alazie or something?

[lyric tendon]

someone have to give Helena a parasaur somehow

[tired stream]

Alasie, I was close

[bold dove]

Sorry, i've seen one too many arguments of "a baby can't be born with a implant"
Realistically, i would agree.

[tender wasp]

Beeing born with the implant would not be possible at all if you look at it in a rellistic way.
So rather it is not Vindiagos biological daugter or the implant was "implanted" after she was born.

[tender wasp]

That at least makes more sense and would go along with his fear that his family suffers the same fate like him.

[bold dove]

That's what i stated.

[quaint marsh]

Was thinking that lol

[brazen sparrow]

I mean, in the Ark universe, I wouldn't put it past the implants and their quite honestly still very mysterious natures to grow with a newborn human, maybe taking in small amounts of minerals and such to gradually increase in size over the lifespan of the person. I've stated this theory before, but no one really spoke on it (or they ignored it). It might also just be a case of "who cares if they have an implant? The players won't know why or how, so let's do it and explain it later."

[lofty apex]

The implant cannot be implanted after the child is born because it is attached to the forearm bone. If this were the case, then the child would need to perform a complex operation in conditions not prepared for this.

[tender wasp]

So mostly clone

[pseudo nimbus]

Why do we need to do hunt missions to beat gen2 or is that just a gameplay thing

[bold dove]

Gameplay

Only missions i'd consider fully canon, are the adventure-missions

[drowsy carbon]

Maybe coordinated nano cells or whatever that are somehow biologically modified to grow in your body and be a part of it even to your descendants and always grow and imprint on your arm

[tender wasp]

Would make not much sense and be a lazy explanation.. element nano cells. I hope the brat is really a clone

[solemn linden]

I think I've mentioned this before, but the implants appear to be largely made of Element and Element has been shown to be able to grow with a creature that it is embedded in, with the Extinction creatures being born with Element already embedded into their bodies. It's possible that the implants are just designed to take advantage of this and literally "grow" with the person that they are attached to, though that raises the question of how Element is able to replicate itself like that.

[tender wasp]

They could use that as "excuse" but that would be the boring "uhhhhh magic ogalobogalo elemeeent" explanaition. I hope they don't and there is a better explanation, why she has one.

[glad crow]

Element has been shown to grow in the past.

[tender wasp]

And the Implant is not pure element, we don't even know if it contains any Element at all.

[solemn linden]

Yeah, it's not ideal, but it would at least partially explain it. Ideally there is a better explanation that will be revealed in ARK 2 itself, but in all likelihood it just won't be addressed.

[glad crow]

Everything advanced seems to feature element.

[tender wasp]

But every Element used for building more seemse to be to create the stuff itself and otherwise only as Power source.

And nothing built with element really crowed.

[tender wasp]

This might even happen, that it is not adressed at all or it will maybe get clearer when explained who the child really is (if there is more behind it than giving VD family cause VD).

[solemn linden]

It seems likely that it has at least some Element in it, considering it shares the same kind of design language that they use for just about every other Tek item. Though Tek is an alloy that contains multiple other materials so we don't really know for sure.

[solemn linden]

True. We'll just have to wait and see. Hopefully if they do provide an explanation, it will be a good one.

[glad crow]

Element is used in part for basically everything in the future.

[tender wasp]

This makes the explanation not less lazy and using "ogalo Bogalo" element as lazy explanation and as I said mostly only a bit of it and nothing of the modern stuff was ever growing when Element was used for building.

[glad crow]

It may be a bit lazy, but it is still possible.

[tender wasp]

Yeah and it might make the Element inaktive or "kill" it cause non of the modern stuff works without any element as fuel.

[tender wasp]

That is what I said. It is a lazy explanation but with Element they could even explain that VD can fart fireballs if they wanted, I agree on that.

[dawn stirrup]

Is it ever mentioned how long after the explorer notes we arrive on the ark? If not, what’s a good time estimate?

[glad crow]

The place to look would be the one who waits I can't remember off the top of my head if she says.

[bold dove]

Never is fully explained, but the writer in a Reddit post stated "hundreds, if not thousands of years"

He didn't give an exact number, since Wildcard could always change it later. But at minimal, it's been slightly over a hundred years.

[dawn stirrup]

So Rockwell was in charge of Aberration for that long? Dang

[bold dove]

Yep

[bold dove]

But he wasn't really 'in charge'

[pseudo nimbus]

What kind of property in black pearls is beneficial to tek alloy

[bold dove]

A form of a stronger silica, i believe

[dawn stirrup]

Well maybe “in charge” wasn’t the right wording to use there but you get what I mean

[bold dove]

Hmmm

Monkey

[brazen sparrow]

Definitely more than a single hundred, the level of structure decay is a bit indicative of at least a few hundred (at least, for the Island, the other ones could technically have happened much later or earlier as well since we know there is some time dilation when transferring between the Arks via Scorched and Aberration's notes)

[bold dove]

That's why i said 'at minimal'

[bold dove]

And yeah, i agree. Since stone takes a LOOOOT longer to decay then most other things

Even metal decays faster then stone iirr

[brazen sparrow]

Yeeep

Which would explain why we only see the stone bits and bases on The Island, and not a bunch of concrete and metal sheds and such

[jolly hearth]

ok

what level were Raia's wyverns

[little gale]

what happens when you rip the implant out your arm OR

something takes your arm off like

[brazen sparrow]

You die

iirc, Rockwell looked at the implant quite extensively in The Island's notes

[bold dove]

Seeing how they're attached to your skeleton, you probably can't.

Only way is to chop off your arm, or surgically remove it.
And at that point, you'd die like Bruising said.

[little gale]

lol

[tired stream]

Yeah you would literally have to break your bones apart to take it out

[solemn linden]

Don't remember it being mentioned in the Aberration notes, but in the Scorched Earth notes the time dilation during transfers is actually non-existent. Rockwell arrives on Scorched before Helena since he was with the New Legion, but he lies to Helena and says that he left the Island after her, because he doesn't want her to know that he was working with the Legion. Then when Raia tells them that she saw Rockwell arrive first, Rockwell covers the inconsistency in his story with the whole "I left after you but arrived before you because time stuff"

[brazen sparrow]

Ah, ok, I could be misremembering to be fair lol

[solemn linden]

As for the level of structure decay on different maps, the ruins on the Island have deteriorated the most. The ruins of Nosti on Scorched are far more intact despite being far older, but that may just be due to the materials used in their construction or the environmental conditions of Scorched Earth. The ruins on Aberration + Camp Omega on Extinction are both heavily rusted, but Camp Omega is not overgrown despite being in Sanctuary, so either something is keeping plants from growing on those ruins or it hasn't been long enough for plants to grow on it. Of course that is most likely just due to Camp Omega reusing assets from Aberration.

There are just too many things factoring into the level of deterioration for us to really be able to guess a proper timeframe from the ruins.

[solemn linden]

Yeah, that's fair. It seems like it's a fairly common mistake. :)

[brazen sparrow]

I never did look into the Nosti/Scorched ruins too much, but they did have less vegetation and dinos to be displaced and destroyed by. Another thing I wondered but never really touched on, is where did all the other survivors on Scorched go? Since it's the only map we know of (other than The Island, I suppose, if anyone stayed behind after the tek cave was opened) that had survivors on it that didn't end up transferring to Aberration and then Extinction

Like the tribes that Helena and Rockwell met (that Rockwell didn't mass genocide)

[bold dove]

Just like history, they probably died over time

[brazen sparrow]

But all of them, though?

[bold dove]

Even the most powerful of nations can't last forever

[bold dove]

Nosti proved if you get too big, then you're fucked either way.
So either they died out one way or another, or got wiped by the overseer

[brazen sparrow]

Fair, but I would think there would be some that would survive, even if they ended up having a war or something with eachother, or got set back by the overseer (Raia and John survived that one)

[bold dove]

John died due to the overseer

[brazen sparrow]

Maybe they just transferred off, to another Ark we never see, before the portal was finished

[solemn linden]

Maybe most of the survivors on Scorched were killed off when the Overseer made the wyverns. Like a lot of them were living in Nosti, which literally had the wyvern trench open up in the middle of it and the wyverns do fly around the map, so it's possible that they took out many of the tribes outside of Nosti as well.

[bold dove]

That's even if transferring is canon.
Only way we know that is, is ascension

[bold dove]

True.
The scar seems like it wasn't always there. So the moment it opened up, that probably killed so much survivors

[brazen sparrow]

He died to a wyvern, after Nosti was swallowed by the overseer's actions. I wouldn't count that

[bold dove]

I'd very much count that. Cause the wyverns where made specifically to hunt down survivors within Nosti. (if we're going with Marc's canon)

[brazen sparrow]

Ok, that's a fair point of view

[solemn linden]

Yeah the notes are pretty clear that the scar wasn't always there. Obelisks start flashing, big earthquake happens, ground opens up under Nosti and then when Raia and John next visit it they find a trench full of wyverns.

[bold dove]

Yep

[brazen sparrow]

Why wouldn't it be? Did they not transfer to Scorched and Ab via the transfer system? Maybe not our current transfer system, but still transferring nonetheless

[bold dove]

They transferred via ascension terminals within the Hall-of-History.
I wouldn't see that just being willy-nilly within the obelisks, cause that'd defeats the purpose then of needing to test your skills against the overseer.

[brazen sparrow]

Well, yeah, that's what I meant, the canonicity of transfers the way they are in-game aside from the obvious and blatant non-canon (or at least, non-story related) ways. Like for instance, how we are force uploaded after beating the overseer, and Rockwell on Ab (and hopefully the new way/cutscene in the Scorched Switch update 🤞)

Like, maybe the leftover survivors (or at least some of them) move on to the other hundreds of Arks, continuing the original vision in place to complete the challenges

[bold dove]

Welp, that's why i said "That's even if transferring is canon. Only way we know that is, is ascension"
Cause i was more referring to the mechanic traditionally, via obelisks and drops.

[brazen sparrow]

Yeah, I know how you meant it. Just saying I meant it the non-this-is-purely-to-make-the-game-not-insufferable way

[bold dove]

No U

[tired stream]

Even tho our story and ark 2 takes place super far away. Are their people still on the arks surviving back on earth?

[bold dove]

Theoretically, yes.

[tired stream]

That would be a cool DLC for ark 2

[bold dove]

Unless they change stuff in the new rework of some of the lore coming up, then Earth is a primal world again

[bold dove]

Eh.
I'd like to focus on this Solar-System first.

[tired stream]

Yeah but in theory it could be cool

[bold dove]

Man, now i really want a dimension based DLC.

[quaint marsh]

I wouldn't think so, since there are people shown on the Island in the Extinction ending. It is possible though that with the Overseer dead, bad stuff happens to that one the Island Ark, but there are most likely copies of it, and they still work and house life.

[lyric tendon]

Huh?

First of all, you didn't kill the Overseer in the Island, it just give you an ascension pass after you beat it

The only way for sure to literally kill an Overseer is a nuke

And if you did destroyed the Overseer, you actually destroyed the entire ARK itself until there is a being with large concentration of Element that can take its place as part of the ARK's fail safes

[quaint marsh]

Ooh, sorry lol. I always thought you destroy the Overseer, but I like this better... It didn't really make sense, the destroying business, because if it feared it would be killed I think an Overseer would probably just wipe you out in the same way Nosti went down.

Apologies if my lore is wrong, I'm really just basing it off of the explorer notes from the Island to Extinction.

[tired stream]

The overseer is like the final test to move on

Unless you nuke it… and well, then you get aberration 2

[lyric tendon]

The reason Nosti is getting wiped is because the overseer dislikes stagnation and wants humanity to be prepared for surviving actual survival situations

[quaint marsh]

Ah, makes sense. Just wondering though, where can I find "deeper" lore than what is found in the explorer notes? Since they mainly focus on the characters (most interesting bit tbh), but what you all discuss here seems to be quite bit more advanced.

[glad crow]

A lot is just reading into the notes.

[lyric tendon]

50% Notes (not including Chronicles and Dossiers) 25% Environmental Storytelling 25% Theory Crafting

[tired stream]

I didn’t even read all the notes and I know like 90% of the main lore

I get half my info from here

[brazen sparrow]

Those people on The Island in the Extinction cutscene are supposed to be other players, since it's assumed/left open to player interpretation and experience that there are other players on the Arks, and our player is the one that leaves/is the chosen one, so to speak

[split rover]

Does anyone know how Helena died on earth? (during the 21st century)

[tired stream]

I don’t think so

[brazen sparrow]

Maybe we'll find out in the show...

That'd be sick

[split rover]

I wonder how the voicing of Helena's wife will work though, considering the gender transition of the voice actor (I'm not sure if he went through it during or after recording)

[snow seal]

Elliot recorded for Victoria pre-transition

[rain dock]

Could be old age

I mean we got two versions of Santiago, why not two versions of Helena lol

[bold dove]

Heard that it was a car-crash. But don't quite me on that.

[lyric tendon]

say does anyone here still have the screenshot with the old fed logo before Gen 2 changed it

[lyric tendon]

nvm found it

[tired stream]

There was a old one?

[lyric tendon]

yep

[coral rapids]

So which of the canon maps are 'simulations' and which are 'real'?

[arctic bison]

only genesis part one is in a simulation

[brazen sparrow]

But what if all of Ark 1 IS THE SIMULATION? Buh buh buuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

Jk, but it could be. But it isn't. But it could be.

[bold dove]

All expect Genesis-1 are real

[pseudo nimbus]

"Expect"

[lyric tendon]

e x p e c t

[bold dove]

E X P E C T

[fallow sapphire]

expect

[warped herald]

E X P E C T

[tired stream]

E x p e c t

[dawn stirrup]

Is Helena’s parasaur ever named?

[lyric tendon]

Apparently yes

[dawn stirrup]

What is it?

[lyric tendon]

"Scary"

I know, lame right

[dawn stirrup]

Where did you find that out?

[safe sentinel]

How do y'all think it's possible for hlna to create resources and cryos from thin air it makes sense in gen 1 but not 2

[lyric tendon]

G a m e p l a y

[safe sentinel]

It makes sense for Gen 1 since it's all simulated

[lyric tendon]

One of the character "leaks" before it was confirmed by WC

[safe sentinel]

I mean lore wise

[lyric tendon]

There is a line during the canoe race that, "she could've spawn an Itchyosaur for you"

But again there nothing in the notes for how she do it

[safe sentinel]

She is technically a homo deus so maybe that's how

[lyric tendon]

HLNA is not equal Helena

Helena is either no longer exist or just tethered to only earth

[safe sentinel]

Hlna is a part of helana

[lyric tendon]

Just a copy personality but not her as a whole

[safe sentinel]

It says it in the trailer

[dawn stirrup]

The best thing ever just happened to me! I found a para the exact same colors as Helena’s, and while I’m flying back to base with it my game crashes and now I can’t find the para again

[safe sentinel]

Oof

[lyric tendon]

We don't treat trailers as canon

In ARK 1 trailer Helena is riding a raptor, spawn killed bob

[dawn stirrup]

When I say exactly I mean EXACTLY

[safe sentinel]

Maybe hlna accesses some kind of vault like a dedicated storage box

[lyric tendon]

There is nothing much explaination about HLNA in the notes (specifically how she works), so everything is just guess work and head canon for now

[dawn stirrup]

I found it again!

[safe sentinel]

Where on earth is the extinction plateau

[lyric tendon]

Some say it's in Indonesia because of the Dev Kit 🤷

They are keeping it vauge for the most part

[safe sentinel]

Maybe the Himalayas because of the mountains in the background

[lyric tendon]

That is a bit too far since we already have the actual map of the earth on where the portal is aiming at

Then again the hologram map showed us Antarctica

[safe sentinel]

How was Rockwell able to infiltrate the simulation when his time didn't have computers

[lyric tendon]

Because he became an element-infused tentacle monster that has the ability to hack computers that are beyond his era

[safe sentinel]

So element makes you a hacker

[lyric tendon]

Basically

[safe sentinel]

That would only make sense if the computer was made from element

Then he could of just talked to the simulation to alter it

[bold dove]

Part Helena 'pre' Homo-Deus

[bold dove]

Seeing how Element is a hyper-intelligent hivemind. It probably was able to feed him any information he needed.

[safe sentinel]

Then how did she put a part of her self in hlna

[bold dove]

Cause she can give her the fucking personality, dude

That's all HLN-A is.
A robot made from tek that has the 'personality' and 'memories' of Helena.
That's it.

[safe sentinel]

Hlna even says a part of helana is in her I for get where tho

[bold dove]

Yes.
Her 'personality'

And
'Memories'

[safe sentinel]

She would have to have been a homo deus to do it especially since gen 1 and 2 takes place after the arks came back

[bold dove]

You're looking too far into something that's so simple.

[safe sentinel]

It isn't though

[lyric tendon]

It's like your putting your pictures of your vacations and moments

You are just put your memories on your computer but the computer is not you

[bold dove]

No shit.
That isn't the point.
The point is that "HLN-A is only related to Helena via her personality, memories, and the fact Helena made her. That's it"

[safe sentinel]

You said hlna was made pre homo deus

[lyric tendon]

Tbh you don't need to think hard when comes to Gen Saga lore

[bold dove]

I said she has the 'personality' of pre-homo-deus Helena

[safe sentinel]

You didn't word it like that

[bold dove]

Nor really ARK's lore in general.

[safe sentinel]

I will if I want to

[bold dove]

You: "Hlna is a part of helena"
Me: "Part Helena 'pre' Homo-Deus"
I worded it just fine

[lyric tendon]

Occam's Razor in a nutshell

[safe sentinel]

It adds more to said lore if analysd alot

[bold dove]

Not really.
You'll just add more confusion to the already confusing lore that has so many accepted fan-theories that aren't official.

I can't think of any right now, but Mazzy probably can.

[lyric tendon]

That is what happened when a story is filled with huge plotholes

Someone has to fill them up

[bold dove]

Oh yeah.
The fact that Rockwell made the Reapers and Nameless.
That's a huge misconception that was caused by fan-theories.

[safe sentinel]

Not when using prior established knowledge like I did with Rockwell knowing how to hack I used the prior knowledge that element is sentient and has a hive mind

[bold dove]

Firstly that was 'me' who stated that to help with your theory. Thank you very much.
Secondly, that's more reasonable and within the official canon then "HLN-A is a Homo-Deus"

From what we currently know, only 'humans' can become Homo-Deus.
This can change later on, but as of 'right now' that's how it portrayed.

[lyric tendon]

tbh HLNA is more Overseer than Homo Deus

[bold dove]

A overseer is closer to being a Homo-Deus then HLN-A is.

[safe sentinel]

Arnt overseers homo deus tho

[bold dove]

Cause (from at least Marc's canon) Overseer's are physical vessels for Homo-Deus's to be able to stay in our reality for longer.

HLN-A is simply just a robot that was created.

[safe sentinel]

Is it possible for a homo deus to return to the arks

[bold dove]

That's what Overseers are, so yes.

[lyric tendon]

The difference between HLNA and Helena is that Helena took her time to research the creatures of the ARKs (and Earth) despite her being in constant danger all the time

While HLNA is like "I name this thing, Nogglin"

[safe sentinel]

Not what I mean

[bold dove]

Rephrase then

[safe sentinel]

I was talking about returning in a form you see helana in extinction

[bold dove]

For a limited time, yes.

[safe sentinel]

Are we seeing the extinction and Genesis cronicals as canon

[bold dove]

But most probably don't bother, cause they're so mentally damaged now that they're barely even have emotions of a Human.

[bold dove]

The information on them are canon. But i can't see HLN-A existing pre-Genesis-1.

[lyric tendon]

(wait they are?)

[bold dove]

For the most part, yes.

[safe sentinel]

Maybe Helena came back to the arks after becoming a homo deus and left them to help the survivor to understand later threats

[bold dove]

I really, really, 'reaaallly' doubt that.

[lyric tendon]

Tbf some of them (especially Island and Ab) are mostly callbacks and barely adds to the original notes

[bold dove]

I feel like the overseer of the ARK wouldn't approve to another Homo-Deus messing with their ARK.

[safe sentinel]

Helana is the one who made the extinction cronicals tho

[lyric tendon]

Yet "The One Who Waits" does the tampering

[safe sentinel]

That's another name for helena

[bold dove]

From a distance.
I don't think they'd approve if she went back onto the ARK's

[safe sentinel]

Ok I just had a random thought what if the reason drake's have to be tamed from eggs is cause of mei tameing one

[bold dove]

Or.
Gameplay

[safe sentinel]

Then how was she able to tame it with arrows

[lyric tendon]

Mei Yin hax

[bold dove]

I meant the egg part

You can still knock them out.
"Soooooooooooooooooo'

[lyric tendon]

There is no lore explaination, Mei Yin is already OP

[safe sentinel]

Or the ark recognized it was too op and changed it like how the mantis and wyverns were

[lyric tendon]

Wha

[bold dove]

Wha?

Mantis's and Wyverns never changed their taming methods

[brazen sparrow]

So confused on so many levels here

[safe sentinel]

And the destruction of nosti

No the roles on the ark

[lyric tendon]

Again, "Wha"

[bold dove]

I wouldn't say Mantis's where switched out for Wyverns. They served two different uses, but sure.

[bold dove]

Help

[lyric tendon]

The Wyvern is a Difficulty Tweak

[brazen sparrow]

I'm trying, I'm catching up lmao

[safe sentinel]

The inhabitants of nosti overcame the original form of keeping the survivors in check ie the mantis and the ark made the wyverns to combat that

[bold dove]

TL:DR
All started from morax trying to say that HLN-A is a homo-deus

[lyric tendon]

Don't try because the subject changes so fast, you can't keep up

[bold dove]

The Wyverns where a 'fuck you' message from the Overseer

[safe sentinel]

Yeah and also a way of keeping the survivors in check

Like the mantis originally were

[brazen sparrow]

No, the overseer saw them being complacent with life on the Ark, which is counter-intuitive to the whole mission of the Arks, which in turn is to progress humans to a point that they can retake Earth

[bold dove]

Actually, they never did overcome the Mantis's. Just cheated and blew up their nest.
Which was seen as an attack against the ARK, and so the overseer opened up a giant canyon and brought Wyverns as a defense measure.

[lyric tendon]

There is a reason why The Island didn't do that because Nerva is power hungry to the point where he is gullible

[bold dove]

And the overseer probably knew his army was going to fall by his own means

[safe sentinel]

The island never needed to the way it kept survivors in check is the ocean the Gigas and the titanos

[bold dove]

'Or' giga's where The Islands countermeasure, but that's never of course confirmed.

[brazen sparrow]

Nerva was closest to completing the mission, funny enough, if he hadn't been killed by Mei-Yin he might've fought the King Titan instead of us

[lyric tendon]

Giga was a countermeasure to Nerva's progress but Mei tamed it easily

[safe sentinel]

You mean tried I don't see him getting past abb

[bold dove]

Honestly, if he was sent to Aberration. I feel like he would've had a Nomadic arc and contemplated his decisions.

[brazen sparrow]

You missed the point completely, mate

No duh he died on Ab

[lyric tendon]

Basically he pulled a Raia

[brazen sparrow]

Basically was murdered by Mei as they teleported I assume

[safe sentinel]

If he didn't die to mei I see him dying from trying to tame or fight a reaper

[lyric tendon]

Wha

[safe sentinel]

Or from rockwell

[brazen sparrow]

I doubt it, he was a strong and smart individual, and would make other do it first anyways to make it safe

[bold dove]

I honestly wonder how Nerva is as a person.
Cause him raised within the Roman empire fucked with his mindset of the world and his morality.
Since we've seen a few of his 'decent' sides while he's with Rockwell. I wonder if he'd be a nice person if things where different. 🤔

[lyric tendon]

Tbh he would fit in with the Tek People being militaristic he is

[bold dove]

Honestly, we need a "What If" with the ARK story.

[brazen sparrow]

#Nerva gets a re-do for Ark 2 please

[safe sentinel]

While that's true he also seems egotistic

[lyric tendon]

That is what I am trying to say all along

Along with "RTS Tek War"

[bold dove]

This is a reason why i do like if ARK-2 acts as a hard reboot for note survivors.
Gives everyone a chance to meet them in person, and for them to change from their ARK counterparts.

[brazen sparrow]

An RTS set in the tek war would be knucking futs, I wan it now

[bold dove]

It's possible to do in the dev-kit.

[brazen sparrow]

True dat

[bold dove]

The exo-mek is basically everything a RTS game needs

[safe sentinel]

I wanna see how tf mei tamed a drake with arrows

[bold dove]

It can access the wheel of structures, so if you had a custom structure that you can craft via the wheel, then BOOM you got a big portion of it done.

[lyric tendon]

Basically copying Halo's RTS

[safe sentinel]

I wonder what the small titans Santiago killed looked like

[safe sentinel]

What's RTS

[lyric tendon]

Real Time Strategy

[bold dove]

I always imagined it as like Starcraft
Basically having 3-episodes with its story, and each episode revolves around different factions.
So, you'd have the URE first, then the Terran Federation, the Corruption set after both of the campaigns.

[brazen sparrow]

Yesssssssssss the element being the zerg would rock

[bold dove]

Even could have similar gameplay style of needing to spread.

[lyric tendon]

Aw man that is a dire need

[brazen sparrow]

Yeah, based on if/how much the other factions use the element weapons, you get like a pool of corrupted element to grow/plant and such

[bold dove]

I fucking love maining the Zerg in Starcraft, cause i just love the concept of "Me need to spread. Me need to conquer all. Must spread to thrive"

[brazen sparrow]

Hiveminds in general are my shit

[bold dove]

I've always challenge myself to try to spread the biomass to at least 70% of the map in matchmaking.

[brazen sparrow]

The idea of shared consciousness is so cool to me in so many ways

[bold dove]

And being the leader of a shared-conscious?
Now 'that's' not a king, that's a god.

[lyric tendon]

I am usually the one who prefers mind control

In SC 1 I main Protoss because of Dark Templar, in SE 2 I main Zerg because of the Defiler (?)

[brazen sparrow]

In Stellaris, my custom race is practically the Zerg

[bold dove]

I've mained Zerg in both SC 1-2.
But i prefer how they where in SC-1, for the fact that the things that spread the biomass can 'actually fucking defend itself'

[brazen sparrow]

I change my ethics to devouring swarm in PvP or if the Prethoryn Scourge is the endgame crisis

I prefer SC 2 gameplay-wise, but the Zerg in 1 were better I agree

[bold dove]

I'm sad not a lot of games allow you to be the hivemind.
You're always fighting the hivemind. But the question is.
Does a hivemind always have to be bad?

[brazen sparrow]

Exactly, in Stellaris I am good unless I need to go Zerg-o mode

I try to be nice to the bird evangelists and leaf christians

But it's hard sometimes

[bold dove]

Like, Starcraft-2 shows that the Zergs aren't 100% a hivemind. Just a hivemind within their brood.
The Zerg-DLC showed that not all broods are bad.
Why can't other games take notes?

[bold dove]

Yeah, a lot of the A.I are assholes in Stelarris

It's Civilization all over again.

[brazen sparrow]

True

[bold dove]

"Oh, give us the secrets of how to boil water, or we'll fucking nuke you into oblivion"
Which, it's always fucking India that threatens to nuke you for some reason.

It's like "Bruh, i'd gladly tell you if you weren't an ass about it."

[brazen sparrow]

The leaf christians wipe me from the face of the galaxy if I don't give them my tropical worlds that I literally terraformed in my own space 🙄

[bold dove]

That's when i'd say 'fuck it' and start blocking them off slowly, surround all of their solar systems. And start a war and slowly take one solar-system at a time while engulfing them.

But yeah, no.
Why can't i play as funny ant mentality instead of fighting them?

[bold dove]

Damn, now i want to play Stellaris as a hivemind race while blasting "Collective Consciousness" from Metal Gear: Rising.

(even though the message of the song is about America and stuff. Fuck it, closest thing to a hivemind song)

[brazen sparrow]

As long as you play Blinding Lights when you nuke the leaf bois right in their homeworld for their transgressions

(Or planet crack them, idc lmao)

[bold dove]

The best part about being friends with a hivemind, is that if you're bros with one being, you're bros with every member of their species

"Oh yeah Jake? You might be the popular kid at school. But i'm the popular alien within a planet filled with sapient ants!"

[tired stream]

I caught up

[brazen sparrow]

For real, you're friends with one of me, you're friends with all of me. * queue the Sinatra *

[brazen sparrow]

Sorry for the off-topic, I commend you

[bold dove]

Then, if you're true bros with the queen/leader.
You're basically a king/queen.

[tired stream]

Do we know how overseers are made at all?

[bold dove]

Metal

And probably element

[tired stream]

Would of never thought

[brazen sparrow]

I dunno, they look pretty made out of hexagons to me

[bold dove]

You know, the more i talk. The more i do sound like a Rockwell in a way.....

"I'd totally befriend a hivemind species, or be a leader of one"

[brazen sparrow]

Shit, was he the good guy?

[tired stream]

Reminds me of the human made transformers in the 4th film, I forget what it’s called but it’s exactly like that

[bold dove]

Turns out Rockwell just wanted to transcend humanity into a fleshy form.

[brazen sparrow]

Nanites/nanobots?

[bold dove]

Now humans have to go unga-bunga, cause we where too scared.

[bold dove]

"Nano-machines, son"

[tired stream]

Yeah, I was talking about the actual movie but yes lol

[bold dove]

"They harden from physical trauma"
But do they defend mental trauma?

[brazen sparrow]

Ah, ok lol didn't quite get which context

[bold dove]

Anyway.
Thanks for the idea Bruising.
Now i'm going to play Stellaris as a Hivemind.

[brazen sparrow]

Glad to have been of service, lol

[bold dove]

[tardy flax]

Other than reading the notes in the game where’s a good place to read about the lore?

[rigid palm]

Pins

[bold dove]

Wait, the hivemind is in a DLC?

NOOOOO!!!

[brazen sparrow]

You can play with others who have dlc and it'll let you make a hivemind and play it

[bold dove]

Ugh, but i don't waaaaanna play with people. 😩

[brazen sparrow]

Dlcs go on sale pretty regularly too

[bold dove]

H,mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[lyric tendon]

it's today's years old i realized they intended to give away day 1 Tek suit on Ext

[tired stream]

Huh

[lyric tendon]

just watched an interview with a megatribe member and apparently Ext was intended to be like Gen 2 (in items and creatures) without the backlash

[brazen sparrow]

How in the metric fuck would a megatribe member know what the devs had in mind for a DLC? That is not true at all unless they have concrete proof lmao

[lyric tendon]

because he interviewed one of the Devs

that also explains the Stryder in Ext before it was made from Tek

[brazen sparrow]

That picture was shown somewhere (ExtraLife, maybe?) so that has no bearing on the situation at hand, but where is this interview, now I'm intrigued, was it the megatribe member being interviewed? Or the dev interviewed by the megatribe member? You worded it very confusingly

[tired stream]

It’s no secret extinction wasn’t at its full potential

[lyric tendon]

you know Mr Dolphin, thats the megatribe memeber, he managed to gain an interview with WC

[split rover]

HLN-A did exist before the survivor entered the simulation right? iirc there are notes of the colony ship crew encountering her in the simulation, so she was in fact not created specifically for the survivor.

[lyric tendon]

she only exist to stop rockwell, we are just tools for her

[tender wasp]

Watch the Gen 1 trailer, there she is specifically made for us to "help" us and we don't even know how long we are in the simulation. We might allready been in it when the ship people see her cause Rockwell/HLNA are only on the ship for about 10 years.. so we could be in the sim as long as well.

[split rover]

Are you sure about the rockwell part?

He can't have done all of that in 10 years, and what is the source that there were workers on the ship at the same time as the survivor was in the simulation, seems kinda weird that they would have just disappeared?

[tender wasp]

Yes

He did that all in about 10 year

[tender wasp]

Rockwell killed them

[split rover]

Yes, but my point is that are you sure rockwell was only on the ship for 10 years? To me it makes more sense that all of the rockwell V crew action happened hundreds of years before the survivor is beamed from arat prime

[bold dove]

It's element.
It can do whatever it wants

If element wants it to only take 10 years to infect a ship, it'll take 10 years

[tender wasp]

In Nidas notes it is pretty obvious it is only some years and not hundreds

[bold dove]

Is that a new number?

Hundrets?
Like, is that between hundreds and thousands?

[split rover]

Why does the gen 2 description state that thousands of years have passed from the start of their journey? Seems to me like there is a big time skip between ext and gen 1

[tender wasp]

Also take Abs as comparison, here he mutates into tentacle man super fast

[bold dove]

Cause it's about ending the thousands of years from when Corruption first started on Earth, to now.

It's like the end of the "Corruption" saga

[tender wasp]

Cause the ship got launched when the Arks get launched, about as the same time.

[bold dove]

Now it's time for the possibly interesting or lackluster "Unga Bunga" saga

[digital flower]

Return to monkee

[bold dove]

No

[tacit lake]

I’m scared

[rain dock]

That would happen if you sent a transmission of a survivors data to a ship that had been traveling for a long time lol, it would take thousands of years to get there

[brazen sparrow]

Nah, they are referencing the fact that the mission of the Genesis ship started thousands of years ago (potentially, but I'm not 100% convinced/sure of it actually having taken that long)

"Thousands of years and trillions of miles away from where your story began, you’ll challenge series-villain Rockwell in a final confrontation to determine the fate of humanity." From the CC where it was announced that Gen 2 was live.

Just realized, they could also mean years as a form of measurement, since the FTL drive has undoubtedly taken them lightyears away from Earth, since no currently known solar system has a habitable planet close enough to reach without being further than we could ever possibly make it, let alone without such a drive having been invented first

[pseudo nimbus]

Was the element meteor element ore or refined element? If it was refined element (conventional element) then I have several questions

[bold dove]

Never confirmed.

[solemn linden]

Well the asteroids on Gen 2 have refined element so it's entirely possible that the meteor that brought it to Earth also had it in it's refined form

[bold dove]

Right.
But then what about the Element ore on Aberration?

[rain dock]

Hmm, I am assuming it is the refined, because that is what you get in the meteors

[solemn linden]

The element ore on Aberration is found in an area filled with the stuff in it's molten state so the ore itself might just be element that has cooled down enough to turn back into a solid. That leaves the question though of why it is molten on Aberration in the first place.

[rain dock]

Big explosion, melts stuff, it could happen, just not for thousands of years lol

[solemn linden]

As for the meteor, the One Who Waits describes the element as having been "rivers of violet" when it was first discovered on Earth, which is clearly the molten form. When it arrived on Earth it probably got melted back into it's molten form by the force of the impact, even if it was refined element on the meteor originally.

[solemn linden]

True :)

[rain dock]

Yeah, there is refined element in the asteroids and later on earth, but if it is considered some type of bacterial growth that gives it the refined structure it would sort of make sense that it needs cooling to work

[bold dove]

You also find it on the surface

[solemn linden]

True, I forgot about that. If element ore is just element that has been melted down and then solidified again, then the ore on the surface could be from the Overseer's chamber which was likely partially melted by the Tek nuke.

[pseudo nimbus]

Also rises the question on element shards

[brazen sparrow]

That is an interesting thing that I've never thought of, how would it be refined on some meteors out in space? Unless it was indeed made by aliens...

Maybe the asteroids are just really weird lookin element based ship debris from the way back times

[tired stream]

Maybe it comes in shards and dust, and sometimes ore if it’s melted

Then anything that’s a full piece of element is made by humans or something else

[brazen sparrow]

You get full pieces from the asteroids on Gen 2, was kinda the point, lol

[tired stream]

Probably just for gameplay then I’d assume

[brazen sparrow]

Perhaps... but what IF lol

[glad crow]

Maybe the creators of element flung a lot of it into space to try and reach as many inhabitants as possible, for good or ill intent. The reason we have only had one element asteroid could be we are far from the epicentre, while the ship is closer. Zero evidence of course.

[lyric tendon]

or maybe element is as natural in space as the periodic table or the building blocks of life

[brazen sparrow]

Perhaps, anything is possible, especially when they leave it so open like they have

[pseudo nimbus]

It money

[vague merlin]

Oh hell, this is where I go crazy

[bold dove]

Imagine element just being the galactic empires version of a dollar

[lyric tendon]

the spice must flow

[restive marsh]

Extinction is completely indepent from genesis or How does it follow The storyline?

We see that The earth is restored with The Arks but thats it

How does that lead to the Genesis Ship??

[brazen sparrow]

Your turn to explain @bold dove 🤣

[bold dove]

Other way around.
Genesis 1-2 are independent to the rest of the story-maps

[restive marsh]

Then How is Rockwell there

[bold dove]

They're independent. Doesn't mean they don't fit within the timeline.

[restive marsh]

Yeah i know but

How did rockwell go to The ship

[bold dove]

The Genesis maps are set post-Extinction.
So when all ARK's came down, Aberration also did.
It's never clear on how he did. But it's hinted that he transferred his conscious to the Genesis-ship, and started reforming his body.

[restive marsh]

Oh ok

So what happened to Mei-Yin??

[bold dove]

🤷‍♂️

No one knows.
Most likely dead since the game is set hundreds-thousands of years after the notes

[restive marsh]

💀

Okay…..

[brazen sparrow]

Her and Diana may or may not have made it to Arat Prime (where we and Rockwell upload ourselves to the Genesis ship, supposedly) and transferred their consciousnesses to the ship. Who knows for sure, though. Would be really neat to have the OG versions of them be why/how everyone knows about the Extinction battle and the ship, as well as see them react to Santiago being alive and well, but not the Santiago they know... aaaaaaand now I'm theorycrafting in #lore-nerdz again... lmao