lore-nerdz

[fallow sapphire]

Im good with that

[small rune]

Lol
Agreed

[fallow sapphire]

3/0 so far, lookin good so far

[tired stream]

Awesome

[solemn linden]

Nah Rag doesn't deserve that. May be overrated as hell but at least it's a fun map. There are some others though that deserve to be nuked a whole lot more.

[digital flower]

You could nuke Abb but its been pointless since its already been nuked before

Since Abb is one the most overrated paid dlc maps

But tbf Abb and Ext have my favourites parts of the lore in them

Because its before the time the lore started to drop off

[solemn linden]

I'd argue that neither Aberration or Ragnarok are as perfect as people act like they are but they are also both just really good maps so it's understandable why they get so much love.

[brazen sparrow]

Yes please do

[digital flower]

Every map has its flaws

I know people who love the no flyers and people who hate it

[brazen sparrow]

Love the no flyers, never use em anyways

[digital flower]

But they don't play the map enough to understand the natural progression is Ravager - Karkinos - Spino - Rockdrake with obviously important farming creatures in-between

No Argies tame a ravager they basically have the same weight reduction

No argy to carry? Tame a karkinos to carry the ankylos or doeds

My only issues with Abb is that cementing paste and wood is scarce as well as obsidian

[brazen sparrow]

No argies? 🥺

[digital flower]

But the cementing paste issue is fixed with a chem bench

[solemn linden]

Honestly if this was a tier list I'd put Ragnarok, Aberration, Gen 2 and Fjordur in S tier because they've been the ones I've had the most fun with.

[digital flower]

Gen 2?

[brazen sparrow]

Rag is an easy f tier for me

[digital flower]

Idk about S tier id say its A or high B at best

[brazen sparrow]

Gen 2 was baller wym

[solemn linden]

Honestly I really enjoyed the missions and it feeling easy wasn't as much of a negative when played after all the other maps cause then it feels like you've earned all the power you have rather than just being handed it.

It's also just aesthetically beautiful

[digital flower]

My issue with Gen 2 for me is that even after gen 1 they still had those god awful hunt and escort missions along with the races and the godamn Canoe mission omg I hated it so much

Also I didn't enjoy its lore as much as I did Abb or Ext

[brazen sparrow]

I don't remember an escort mission in Gen 2

[digital flower]

Its aesthetics and unique missjons were cool though

[solemn linden]

The canoe one was annoying I'll give you that. But the hunts were kind of not great but not terrible either since they were way too easy on Gen 2. Beat the Ferox one like 20 times by hovering above with the tek suit and using the tek pistol. Easy way to farm loot.

[brazen sparrow]

And the hunt ones were fine because they were challenging

Canoe mission was bunk and needs to die will admit

[solemn linden]

challenging if you play them the way that is intended lmao

[digital flower]

Yeah I knew of that but unless you increased the level cap or had ascended multiple times or were on official you wouldn't of gotten the max level for to use the phase pistol

Which made it really challenging to achieve it

[brazen sparrow]

Even if you just go giga it's still hard, that ferox engrages in one hit for me with a max saddle

[digital flower]

You'd have to 1. Reach lvl 105, 2 get max chibi, 3. Beat rockwell on alpha difficultly

[brazen sparrow]

I am talking non-exploit to be fair lol

[solemn linden]

It was also really easy with an ascendant tek rifle and those are way too common in the gen 2 supply drops so it isn't even necessarily the tek pistol that makes it easy. Just need to forget about using tames for the hunt missions and use a good gun

[solemn linden]

fair

[brazen sparrow]

Not the channel bud

[solemn linden]

go put the dodo in #fanart-and-screenshots

[brazen sparrow]

#fanart-and-screenshots

[digital flower]

Lol

[solemn linden]

Also Gen 2 had some pretty good explorer notes. Like yeah the new Santiago notes were a mixed bag, but Nida and Gabriel's notes were really interesting

[fallow sapphire]

Gen 2 is ok, not great on its own imo, but that is the point of a part 1 and 2

[steep salmon]

whar was the Tek Nuke?

can someone mansplain the ark abberation lore

[lyric tendon]

@steep salmon

No need to type a long novel lol

[solemn linden]

Basically the overseer decides it would be funny to spawn a bunch of people from a singular time period and selects a bunch of people that were alive during the war that led to Earth being all post apocalyptic in the ARK universe.

These survivors then quickly get Tek gear and under the assumption that they are still on Earth, decide to nuke the overseer to shut down the forcefield that is keeping them there. Pretty much as soon as they go through with this plan they realize that they are on a space station and that they just shut down part of it's atmosphere, rendering the surface uninhabitable.

They are forced underground and eventually meet Mei Yin, who has just transferred to Aberration from the Island. Then a while later Helena and Rockwell transfer over from Scorched Earth.

The Tek tribe works on creating a portal to escape the ARK but are warned by Helena that this would result in some kind of punishment from the obelisks so a couple of them go check on that first and come back to find that Rockwell injected himself with element and killed everyone after becoming a big tentacle monster. Then the survivors use the portal to leave or whatever.

Oh and they like found the cloning facility part of the ARK and had an existential crisis

[lyric tendon]

I said no need to type in the entire explorer notes worth of novel lmao

[solemn linden]

They wanted the Aberration lore so they're gonna get the Aberration lore lmao

besides I've only typed a proper novel worth of info for a different project

[tender wasp]

Abs notes themself are a good read. Best notes IMO.

[solemn linden]

True. Aberration's notes are definitely the best. They're just done really well and Aberration makes for a really interesting setting.

[tender wasp]

Yes and you feel what happend there, especially when you see all the ruins and Abs itself. Then the addition of the student notes as well gives an idea what someone like us could feel like in sich a scenario.

[solemn linden]

Yeah the environmental storytelling on Aberration was great and really added to the notes

[tired stream]

Aberration best map too😤

[glad crow]

Yes.

[wary ruin]

no, not at all

it was a huge risk they took, and it came out amazing. challenging caves if you arent cheesing, difficult boss, cruel landscape, awesome and creative tames and just amazing to look at. Eye candy if you ask me

[lyric tendon]

the no flyers thing is a turn off for me

[steep salmon]

haha thank you!!! Appreciate the lore

[wary ruin]

people complain about fliers, people complain about not having them XD

[lyric tendon]

"flyers makes exploring trivial"

has a maewing or drake that can jump pass dangerous alphas and go across the map without worrying about stam

[digital flower]

Drakes aren't as nearly as fast as maewings

Or as fast in water and they have an oxygen stat

[brazen sparrow]

But drakes are op apparently lmao

[digital flower]

How so?

[brazen sparrow]

Maewings yes I'll admit are a bit broken with their land glide speed and their weird air momentum but drakes are so-so

[brazen sparrow]

It was sarcastic, I forgot the /s sorry about that

[digital flower]

Idk what /s means i imagine is sarcasm?

[brazen sparrow]

It's the tone indicator for sarcasm yes

[digital flower]

Is this like the new generation of idk, ik, iirc, etc

[brazen sparrow]

Just like /j is a joking tone

[digital flower]

I still don't get the drake being op argument though

[brazen sparrow]

Me neither, because they aren't

[digital flower]

I mean sure if people on official breed their melee stat to cap of course that drake is going to be op

Because they've bred it to do that

[brazen sparrow]

Still not gonna be better than a rex though

[digital flower]

But a base drake isn't as all powerful it struggles against alphas and imo is a necessary tame for navigating Abb

[digital flower]

Exactly or a giga

Ik their dash does more damage but even so its hard to get that dash off because of how finicky drakes glide can be

[brazen sparrow]

It's purely a travel mount for me, and the dash damage is negligible and almost impossible to execute

[digital flower]

I normally just use the dash for travel

I hardly fight using the drake I just use a shotgun on the back of it

[brazen sparrow]

I'll eat like the seekers and carnos in the red zone but that's about it

[deep mason]

Ooga booga

[tired stream]

Aberration isn’t the best cluster map but it’s arguably the most fun to play on when it’s a single map

[digital flower]

I feel like Fjördur has made it obsolete due to the rock drakes and the abb zones

[tired stream]

That’s the same thing that happened with scorched, every map overtime just got everything it had and made it useless

[arctic bison]

only thing they still have is 1 or 2 odd creatures, some artifacts and a boss

[tired stream]

I don’t think ab has a single thing that’s not on a different map

[arctic bison]

excpet rockwell and maybe the nameless

[brazen sparrow]

They do, reapers and aberrant variants of certain things

(no R-reapers don't count, different creature fite me)

[bold dove]

Thought you could get reapers on Val.

[brazen sparrow]

Nope, they gutted that trench so hard

[brazen sparrow]

Aberrant anky, carno, and gigantopithecus to be specific btw

[digital flower]

Worse part about it

[brazen sparrow]

Agreed, I wanted Val to be good, but we got Fjordur so I'm fine with that lol

[digital flower]

I would respond but I am too drunk to and I'm relying on autocorrect XD

[mental isle]

Any more lore on the shawdowmanes

I belive i heard they killed a group of people on the colony ship but im not sure

Like are they rockwell made or sum

[lyric tendon]

they are made by Rockwell

[tired stream]

When we first saw shadowmanes in that teaser trailer I thought they would be bigger for some reason

Like almost reaper size, boy was I wrong

They just looked bigger in the trailer for some reason

[lyric tendon]

i dunno i feel they are like Rock Drake size for me

[tired stream]

They definitely are not rockdrake size lol

Drakes are pretty big

[brazen sparrow]

They're like trike sized, I'd say

[lyric tendon]

*i'm guessing "Friend Shaped"

[plain plover]

Shadow manes might have been a creature that had designs within the database, But Rockwell brought them too life

[plucky breach]

Where do I discuss about new dinos

[bold dove]

#general

Or #ark-survival-ascended

[plucky breach]

Oki doki

[brazen sparrow]

First off, love your profile banner. Secondly, that's a sound theory, I wouldn't be surprised if he did steal the plans so to speak for the shadowmanes since the "people" he made were pretty shit imo (what with their guts being on the outside and all) and there's almost no way he made such a perfect creature as the shadowmane without help

[plain plover]

same with the noglin, might have been a creature with unique abilities that could be used as the "ultimate tame", but were not produced because of how dangerous they could be. Rockwell probably saw potential in them being able to control people. So he did have the Genesis start producing them, but found out they were incomplete and were to intelligent to listen too him.

[tired stream]

Big brain noglin

What’s the lore behind summoners

[thorn sierra]

aren't the summoners like symbolic for his immune system?

same with the macrophages?

[tired stream]

Idk that’s why I’m asking lol

[thorn sierra]

lol well im pretty sure their symbolic for his white blood cells

yk killing any virus's that enter the body

[bold dove]

Yes, they're his version of (insert cell name i forgot, but it's the cell that acts as a alarm system for white-cells to come and finish the job)

They're also apparently plant-based iirr from HLN-A's note about them?

[thorn sierra]

oh... maybe thats why their flower like

[plain plover]

or maybe they're supposed to look like biblically accurate angles and also be more of a threat then they are

They should have turned off the tek suit in the innards, but made the ground less deadly

would of made the biome a lot more fun to visit

more like the interior of Gen 1's volcano

[thorn sierra]

that also makes sense because of rockwells god complex

[plain plover]

I wish summoners did more, you know?

[thorn sierra]

yea i know exactly what you mean

[plain plover]

like I've never even died to one before

their entire main function is pretty much negated by the tek suit

when the thing was revealed I though the tek suit would not have super speed or punch, but it does.

and I know the developers origionally planned that also, but for some reason they decided against it last minute, then were going to re-enable it, then backlash caused them to just not do it.

I wonder what Gen 2 would be like if they did nerf it

[lyric tendon]

I think it's enabled after another backlash where you can't punch

[plain plover]

for a short time you couldn't damage things

like, for 2 days

because just like my meme which is more then a year old, the official newbies kept having sayian battles in the skies

[thorn sierra]

it does really sadden me how easy gen 2 is

like its insane how easy it is

[lyric tendon]

It's paid Easy Mode

[tired stream]

They want people to beat the game that’s why it’s easy probably

[bold dove]

Yeah, but it still felt anticlimactic for a finale.

The ending was good, but the final boss was too easy (is what i meant)

[mental isle]

Whats the point of roll rats tho

Like i understand there giant mole rats radiated mole rats to be exact

[tired stream]

Idk they are just the beavers of ab

[mental isle]

True true

Ravengers are the wolves

And drakes are the griffin/wyv

And ig reapers are the rex but have closer stats to a giga when imprinted

[bold dove]

Yeah, no.

Reapers where (even though i'm sad of this lackluster reasoning) are the wyverns of Aberration.
They where specifically created by the ARK to punish the survivors after what they've done.

[brazen sparrow]

They're talking in terms of stats/role in game, I think

[bold dove]

Wait, then where did the drake/wyvern comparison come from?
I thought wyverns had more stats into health then drakes do?

[brazen sparrow]

I don't know about that part tbh, maybe they do, maybe they don't

[pseudo nimbus]

Steal eggs and needing special food

And being basically the best traveller

Lore wise no comparison

[mental isle]

Well drakes have more health now 900 compared to 785

[tired stream]

What note is that in?
The arks have no chill lmao

[orchid herald]

can anybody explain the major points in the lore of the game? i had no idea the game has lore lmao

[lyric tendon]

alright time to redo the list

the "ARK players in a nutshell" roster

Helena = the typical PVE bob
Mei = the Solo Alpha (also a cheater)
Nerva = the Megatribe Leader
Rockwell = the Insider
John = the raid defender
Raia/Wali = the Roleplayer
Grad Students = a group lost in Ab waiting for a drop to spawn
Diana = the community supporter
Ab/Ext Santiago = the Exploiter/ "Tips and Tricks" Guy
Gen 2 Santiago Vin Diesel = Vin Diesel roleplaying as Vin Diesel
Gabriel = the "aggressive dodo" PTSD player
Nida = the Modder
HLN-A = the annoying know-it-all but didn't do squat

[rain dock]

You forgot all the random college kids from ab though

[lyric tendon]

they are optional

we need @solemn linden's Novel which is actually the entire summarized ARK Lore lol

[digital flower]

Spin off series

[arctic bison]

arktown high

[bold dove]

None.
It's something the previous writer stated.

[tender wasp]

They are the newbies that have no clue how ark works XD

[tired stream]

No one for half pvp half pve, sadge

[tired stream]

Huh

[lyric tendon]

John is actually, he just fell in love with Raia|| until he die||

[digital flower]

I thought they were both lovers or did I misread the notes

[lyric tendon]

they are

[pseudo nimbus]

I just learned today im a hybrid between santiago, nerva, and Gabriel

Me on fjordur is 100% mei tho

@lyric tendon where's the "tin foil hat theory" players? You know what I talking about

[lyric tendon]

i forgor

[pseudo nimbus]

@lyric tendon tell me!

[lyric tendon]

i dunno whatu talk about

[digital flower]

I dont even understand what is going on in here

[solemn linden]

hehe 👀

[tired stream]

What novel I must know

[lyric tendon]

I finally know what the grad students are

"Players stuck in Ab, waiting for a drop to spawn"

[tired stream]

So you

[lyric tendon]

Basically

[tired stream]

I have the drop spawns burnt into my mind

[lyric tendon]

I am literally waiting for 3 real days for that underwater drop under the bridge to spawn

[tired stream]

The one under portal lmao

[lyric tendon]

Yes

[tired stream]

There’s a lot of spawns by one of the surface entrances

[lyric tendon]

Not well memorized

[mental isle]

What would y’all characterize

Magmasaurs

[bold dove]

'spicy boi'

[mental isle]

Naw like species

I thought of them as a draconis buh they have a lot in common wit giant lizards

[lyric tendon]

Spicy BOI

No dossier = information is still remained unknown

[mental isle]

NO

I will be the PALEONTOLOGIST TODAY

and i will give it a scientific name

So say hello to Draconis magmusius

[bold dove]

That's even 'if' they're related

[lyric tendon]

Mana says Hi

[bold dove]

Since the canonilty of the Genesis Chronicles are......'iffy'
For all we know, Wildcard could make it that the Magmasaurs are native to Arat and are actually aliens.

[bold dove]

That's a Managarmrmrmrmr
Not a fucking lava spicy boi

[lyric tendon]

it's a Freezy Fluffy Dragon that poops babies

[mental isle]

True

[brazen sparrow]

How are they iffy, might I ask? It seems pretty cut and dry that the magmas are manmade, and were tested on Scorched when the programs were still being developed

[bold dove]

'Iffy' in the sense of "how's HLN-A on the ARK's" then what they give off.
They're also more of side-stories. And i could see them being forgotten and changed. (i wouldn't mind)

[rain dock]

Magmasuars can't be native to arat, since when the genesis ship was launched they had no knowledge of its destination

[brazen sparrow]

That too

The astrocetus and delphis are pretty easy to explain, they're just kinda in space and I doubt that the tek advanced humans hadn't explored space at least a bit more than we have and found them

[rain dock]

Well, as those are only in the Gen 2 space biome and the Gen1 lunar biome it makes sense that they would have been found and added to the database

[brazen sparrow]

Fair, they could've been added to the sim after the ship launched

Didn't think about that

[rain dock]

Magmasuars couldn't be, since they are also found on fjordur, which while it isn't a story dlc it is still an official ark so canonically still fits the narrative

[tired stream]

Fjordur definitely isn’t a canon map and nothing on it should be treated like it is

The obelisk are literally giant rocks

[rain dock]

I disagree lol

[brazen sparrow]

They mean that it would fit the canon if it were in fact a story Ark, not that it is one

[rain dock]

There is nothing saying that it isn't canonical

[tired stream]

It wouldn’t tho

[brazen sparrow]

They are non-story, but yeah to be fair that does not equal non-canon

[rain dock]

In the cutscene for various dlc you see a ton of other arks, there is nothing saying fjordur isn't one of them

[brazen sparrow]

Unless a dev has said otherwise, the non-story Arks could exist

[tired stream]

The obelisk are not obelisk tho… so I don’t understand how you come to that conclusion lol

[rain dock]

They do exist, that's the whole reason maps like rag, the center and Val existed early on

[tired stream]

Those maps I can understand being canon… but not Fjordur

[brazen sparrow]

They just look different, doesn't mean they're not still obelisks

[tired stream]

So is pixark canon too

[rain dock]

If the only issue is the obelisks, it isn't a stretch to say that some viking religion still existed in a complex apocalíptic society and had some influence on constructing an ark

[brazen sparrow]

As far as how is she on the Arks, the simple answer would be she was made before you get transferred to the ship and you are getting acquainted (which we know she was made before you were sent, by the Gen 2 notes)

[brazen sparrow]

That's a whole different can of worms, that's not even made by Wildcard lmao

[rain dock]

It's a different game too

[tired stream]

You can’t make something obviously different (a giant rock) and expect it to do the same thing as a giant metal pillar with element

[rain dock]

You can make a giant metal element pillar look like a rock though

It's just cosmetic

[tired stream]

I don’t think it works like that but ight I guess

And how would the realms work

No ark has ever been seen with 6 obelisk

[rain dock]

Well, that one is a bit hardrr

[tired stream]

Let alone… a orange one

[rain dock]

But from ab, we know that the arks are hollow underneath, so just have different tps to the areas

[tired stream]

Still ab only has 3 obelisk just like every other ark… it doesn’t have 3 more underground

[brazen sparrow]

They could be sub Arks, like entirely different Arks that are run by one obelisk like the proto-arks

Either way it could be possible, just not likely I will say

[rain dock]

Well, again, if there was a cultural influence to the construction, it isn't out of the realm of possibility

[tired stream]

All the arks have a strict formula of 3 obelisk per ark and until I see more then 3 on a story ark then I’ll never believe it can be a canon map

[rain dock]

Extinction had 3 obelisks and wasn't even an ark

Or didn't it have 4?

[tired stream]

That’s earth tho lmao

[brazen sparrow]

It had 3 arks, technically

[rain dock]

Each one being from a single proto ark that crashed save for the one in the city

[brazen sparrow]

Run by one ob each (which supports my theory here)

[rain dock]

So a small ark with a single obelisk is already canon

[brazen sparrow]

Yep

[tired stream]

None of those are in space tho…

And they are way smaller

[rain dock]

It only says 3 crashed, not that there were only 3

[brazen sparrow]

Like the realms would be

[tired stream]

It wouldn’t make sense for them to be in space either

[rain dock]

Bruh, the arks being in space doesn't make sense either lol

[brazen sparrow]

It wouldn't make sense for any of the Arks to be in space lol

[rain dock]

Just saying that fjordur being canonical is less far fetched than the idea of an ark in the first place

[tired stream]

They don’t have overseers or anything to keep the people in check, and let alone could Fjordur “obelisk” even do what the normal ones could

[rain dock]

Especially if you consider cultural influences on the arks construction, you would expect there to more that are different

Fenrir is the fjordur overseer

[tired stream]

Still makes no sense at all to me

[rain dock]

I don't k ow what else I can say thst would make it make sense lol

[tired stream]

Because it doesn’t, it would never make sense as a canon map lol

[rain dock]

Again, I disagree with that

[tired stream]

Having a rock obelisk do the same thing as a normal one is like me picking up a stick and using it as a lightsaber

A magic stick

It don’t make sense

[rain dock]

Again, a futuristic society would have futuristic cosmetic capabilities lol

[tired stream]

Why would they only do it for Fjordur then

[rain dock]

Culture?

[tired stream]

You would think differently obelisk would be more common then huh

[rain dock]

It would be expensive to do, so it wouldn't be done on all of them

Seeing as there are only like 9 maps I don't find it that strange

[tired stream]

Exactly it’s expensive so why waste materials doing it for 1 ark lol

There’s people from different cultures on every ark and all the obelisk are the same

When they are making a last resort plan to save humanity it think worrying about peoples culture is the last thing to worry about

[rain dock]

Well, on that point I disagree lol, culture is a very important thing to preserve

[tired stream]

I mean there’s people from all kinds of cultures on the maps and the obelisk are the same… not different

[rain dock]

Technically everyone from everywhere is on the arks, but that's just a database

It isn't unheard of for technology to get a different look based on the country it is presented in

[brazen sparrow]

It's still plausible is all we're saying

[tired stream]

I know and all I’m saying is that I don’t think it is

Just wouldn’t make sense without good explaining. And worrying peoples cultures at the near end of humanity isn’t a good one

[rain dock]

On that point we have to totally disagree lol

Ignoring culture in crisis is not something people historically do

In fact the opposite is true

[tired stream]

Still, a floating rock wouldn’t do the same thing as a obelisk without good explaining either

[rain dock]

If it had the same construction as an obelisk and was only covered with cement to look like a rock

People make fish tank pcs now, just because they can. Making a piece of metal look like a rock isn't a stretch

[tired stream]

It’s not remotely even the same. A normal obelisk couldn’t fit in the rock one

[rain dock]

Well, 20 years ago a computer wouldn't fit in a laptop either

[brazen sparrow]

We don't even know how much of the obelisk is necessary for sustaining it's purpose

You can't say it would need all that tek without evidence it does lol

[tired stream]

I’m sure Fjordur wasn’t made further into the future then the others

[rain dock]

As they were making a lot of them it stantmds to reason thst they would make them as cost effective as possible not necessarily as space effective

Fjordur was clearly influenced by the genesis ship, so there is no reason to think it wasn't one of the later ones built

[tired stream]

If it didn’t it would probably look different to save resources…

But yet again… they are all the same except the ones on extinction are smaller because they are proto arks… proto meaning original

Original meaning older

[rain dock]

Uh, they aren't the same though

Every one is entirely different

Val didn't even have a geographical barrier around it

[tired stream]

How are they different

[rain dock]

The only similarities between maps are the obelisks and the Dinos lol

[tired stream]

Exactly… obelisk

[rain dock]

I think I have made it clear enough that obelisks could be modified lol

[tired stream]

You haven’t all you said was they could be cosmetic

[rain dock]

Yeah?

Coat the normal machine with a layer of concrete or something

[brazen sparrow]

We're forgetting that element is also a wonder material that can literally create life lol

[tired stream]

It’s smaller tho… if they can willingly make it smaller you would think every obelisk would be smaller… but they aren’t

[rain dock]

I would use the word synthesize not create, but yeah

[tired stream]

Why would they make the obelisk all the same if they could make them smaller if they wanted too, that doesn’t make any sense at all

Just a waste of resources and time if they could make it smaller

[rain dock]

It does though. It would take a long time to make each ark, and over time they would get better at it

[tired stream]

We would see it happen more then…

But we don’t, we see it on a non canon map lol

[rain dock]

Again, we have seen 9

Not a big sample size

[tired stream]

9 that were probably made years and years apart

With no change.. at all

Not even a small one

[rain dock]

It wouldn't be. Most dell computers of the same model look identical, but if you provide the funding to make one that looks different they can do it

[tired stream]

These are not simple little dell computers

[rain dock]

The principle is the same

[tired stream]

I mean in that case if provided the funding they could make a ark look like Minecraft

[rain dock]

In fact, usually the larger the computer, the more custom it is, so it's even less surprising

[rain dock]

I mean, probably. You still have to deal with realistic physics though

[tired stream]

The obelisk literally float in the sky

[rain dock]

Using element physics

[tired stream]

Also it’s ark… not the multiverse, from what we have seen all obelisk are the same on the arks and until I see different, I can’t see Fjordur ever being a canon map.

[rain dock]

Say they harnessed dark energy fields

[plain plover]

There is no way fjordur is canon

[rain dock]

I never said anything about a multiverse

[brazen sparrow]

Now you're being silly lol

[tired stream]

You are saying that they could make anything simply because we haven’t seen it

That could be the case for anything lol

[rain dock]

That doesn't imply a multiverse, just engineering and art lol

[tired stream]

It was a joke

[plain plover]

Anything using ARK using Aberration assets other then Aberration cannot exist in-universe

Aberration is unique

[tired stream]

I said that before then someone brought up extinction and stuff

[plain plover]

Extinction is not an ARK

[rain dock]

There are reapers on gen2 and rockdrakes on extinction

[tired stream]

But I think reapers and drakes being on extinction is just for gameplay reasons

[rain dock]

Both of those are canonical

[plain plover]

Genesis 2 and Extinction are not ARKs

[tired stream]

Rockwell could of made reapers on gen 2, he’s seen them before

[brazen sparrow]

You missed the point entirely

[plain plover]

in both cases, the existence of Aberration Assets is explained as a malfunction

[brazen sparrow]

Where?

[rain dock]

Suppose that when santiago activated the portal on ab the broken ark did a scan of the creatures and added them to a database thst was then transmitted to other arks

Again, not hard to explain

[tired stream]

Aberration wasn’t always like aberration

[brazen sparrow]

Where is it explained that other Arks don't have a cave system underneath them just like Ab?

And charge nodes and such

Didn't read that note

[plain plover]

The sunken forest is a broken proto-ARK. It was a unique case where it was able to link up with the one other broken ARK and began producing creatures from it. The Genesis is hijacked by rockwell and the garden ring is the result of his meddling.

[tired stream]

Where is it explained that they all do lol

And where is it explained that obelisk can be giant rocks…

[rain dock]

It's clear that the arks have a method for transmitting data, so updating creature spawns isn't far fetched

[rain dock]

I have explained that part like 3 times now

At this point it is just getting repetitive

[tired stream]

You have been just making up stuff saying it would make sense

[plain plover]

There cannot be charge stations or portals on ARKs that are canon, other then Aberration.

[rain dock]

I took irl examples and said similar stuff already happens 🙄

[brazen sparrow]

Again, where is that stated? Why would only Aberration have charge nodes in it's undercaves?

[plain plover]

Because Santiago made charge stations and put them up

[bold dove]

Wait, when was that stated?

[brazen sparrow]

Where though is it said lmao

[plain plover]

The village put the charge stations around

they created them

[tired stream]

Still throws val out the window… val has a portal

[plain plover]

They are in english

[bold dove]

Did they ever specifically state it in the notes?

[brazen sparrow]

I don't believe they did, but I'd love to be proven wrong

[tired stream]

Charge stations looks like they are just as old as the portal is

[brazen sparrow]

How so? Other future humans existed, also it's non-functional so it doesn't mean there weren't survivors who tried and failed

[plain plover]

they are acknowledged as existing within the notes, they would not magically appear around because the overseer is dead through out the notes in Aberration. The Village put them up so they can be used to ward off Nameless.

[tired stream]

By your logic literally anything can happen just because it can

[rain dock]

There is nothing saying santiago himself didn't build the one on Val too lol

[brazen sparrow]

That's just theorycrafting tbh, but I get your point

[rain dock]

No, not really. Nothing in my logic is put of the scope of possibility

It's all well in the parameters of ark lore lol

[tired stream]

Every single one of his points have been theory crafted… and make no sense whatsoever

[rain dock]

I mean, it makes perfect sense to me

[tired stream]

Doesn’t in any other part of actual lore tho

[rain dock]

It's not the only possibility either

[tired stream]

You would think the non canon maps would have notes just like the other ones

[rain dock]

The actual lore is vague journals written by people who didn't actually have a part in really making the arks lol

The notes are journals 🙄

[plain plover]

Ragnarök, The Center, and Lost Isles are the only mod ARKs that could exist within ARK's universe. however, they are still in the non-canon category along with every other mod ARK. they simply cannot and will not have any bearing on ARK's lore.

[rain dock]

I disagree with that

[tired stream]

Lost isles

[brazen sparrow]

Non-story, not non-canon necessarily

[rain dock]

Arks open lore approach is pretty important imo

I would even go so far to argue that because it is an official map that it already is canon lol

[brazen sparrow]

How do you know they have no bearing on lore? The dinos added by some of those maps are in the simulation on the Genesis ship, I'd say that's at least a slight bearing

[tired stream]

What Dino’s?

I forgot which maps came out with which

[brazen sparrow]

The griffin, the ice wyvern (I think), can't remember all of em but they're in the Survive The Ark mission on Gen 2 (which is in the simulation)

And therefore, in the database

[plain plover]

let's look at it this way. There are hundreds of ARKs, some are the same but many are different. An ARK can be very unique in its design, to test specific things, or just see what the specimens do. This can lead to many different variations of ARKs with odd, non-sensible, and ridiculous circumstances. These can all be possible, however, what cannot be possible are ARKs that have things that did not exist prior to their creation that were created on other ARKs built into their base infrastructure. The transfer system is capable of many things, but we can say with comfortability that the creators of the ARKs cannot time travel.

[rain dock]

Nothing we are saying requires time travel to work lol

[brazen sparrow]

Who said anything about time travel? The arks are quite literally a network, they communicate all the time

[rain dock]

If fjordur was a custom ordered map built with correspondence with the genesis ship and ab transmissions it makes perfect sense

[brazen sparrow]

Hence why we can transfer between them with our reapers from Ab to the Island lol

[rain dock]

The arks are supposed to talk to each other by default lol

[plain plover]

Aberration was going to explode because its inhabitants built a portal to escape them. Why would Valguero have one as well and be functioning fine.

[brazen sparrow]

They even say that the magmasaurs are tested on some of the arks, maybe Fjordur was one of them

[brazen sparrow]

Who said Aberration was going to explode lmao?

[tired stream]

The obelisk were going to do something

And they shut them off

[rain dock]

Ab was exploded a long time before santiago made the portal lol

They literally chucked a tek bomb at the overseer, it wasn't designed to explode jaja

[brazen sparrow]

They were broken, the obelisks couldn't do shit and that was an unnecessary precaution

[tired stream]

How was it a unnecessary precaution lol

And how do you know they couldn’t do anything

[rain dock]

I do think ab was going to self destruct after the bomb though, that kind of rings a bell

[plain plover]

That was Helena's entire point of being on Aberration. She learned from Ria that the Obelisks can reset populations if they become to advanced, so she, Santiago, and Mei yin all go to try and stop that from happening. Santiago find out that the ARK is not just going to reset the population, but explode entirely. He deactivates the self destruct sequence and they escape last minute.

[rain dock]

The self destruct would have been because they tossed a bomb at it lol

[tired stream]

Yeah and portals on val, let alone the same exact portal… doesn’t make sense, and saying the blueprint was uploaded or something would of been just lazy writing to make it make sense

[tender wasp]

Rag, etc are not Canon Arks so.

[rain dock]

They aren't story

[plain plover]

there is no writing. they aren't canon

[rain dock]

I would say they are canon

[tired stream]

Rag and lost island are the only ones I can see being actually canon… all the other ones would make no sense to be canon

[ornate hull]

In universe sure but not in the main story

[tender wasp]

They are not as stated by WC. Canon are only Island, Scorched, Abs, Ext, Gen, Gen2

[tired stream]

And the center

[ornate hull]

I like how this topic always comes up

[tender wasp]

So Arks like Rag might exists but they are not relevant or included in the Canon.

[tired stream]

Crazy someone thinks Fjordur could be canon lol

Which is how the whole argument started

[rain dock]

I literally gave a detailed explanation of how that makes sense 🙄

[tired stream]

Just because it makes sense doesn’t make it canon 💀

And it doesn’t even make sense

[tender wasp]

My Lore I made for my AU also makes sense but it does not make it canon.

[rain dock]

It's not in the story of Helena

[tired stream]

You saying the 6 damn obelisk on Fjordur could be cosmetic for peoples culture doesn’t make sense at all

[rain dock]

I am guessing that lore wasn't taken to official either, so it's not comparable. Fjordur is on official

[tender wasp]

Making sense =/= Canon.. something that makes no sense at all can be canon and something that makes sense not at all.

[rain dock]

My reasoning might not be Canon, but it's only one of a number of possible explanations

Fjordur is an official map, so I would say that makes it canon

[tender wasp]

No one says it makes no sense, but it is not canon.

Even WC stated they are not canon maps ?

They made them offical so people without mod support also can play them.. not to make them canon lore

[rain dock]

If canon means in the Helena santiago storyline then sure, not canon. But if canon means in the ark universe I would say they are totally canon

[tired stream]

If Fjordur was canon, it having different obelisk would need a good reason, let alone 3 more then normal and those 3 beinf proto arks

[rain dock]

The different realms being proto arks was not my argument

[tired stream]

Doesn’t change my point

Would need a good reason…

To be so different from the others

[rain dock]

I gave one good reason

I could easily invent another dozen plausible reasons

My point was just because it is different doesn't mean that it doesn't fit the current lore set

[tired stream]

But it does mean that

It doesn’t fit lol

[rain dock]

🙄

Nothing ever really fits anything lol

But fjordur existing in the ark universe definitely fits lol

[tired stream]

It having different obelisk from the others just because you think it can doesn’t mean it’s canon

[brazen sparrow]

It is not the same exact portal, it's not even finished, hinting that the survivors there did get reset (if it's canon, which as we've already made clear is not known at all)

[rain dock]

The fact that it challenges preconceived notions of the lore is just a bonus imo

[brazen sparrow]

Source?

[tender wasp]

It also makes no real sense to waste recources and tim to make different obeliks in the lore cause time was something they did not have plenty of.

[tired stream]

I literally said that same thing… probably word for word

[tender wasp]

WC stated it somewere and I don't gonna search now 1000 years in the net or crunches only to send you proof

[rain dock]

Well, you have to look no further than the US government to see people wasting resources just to get people to work together lol

I would say that that makes it even more plausible lol

[brazen sparrow]

Then that's speculation until proven, kinda how it works

[rain dock]

No giant project ever happens without compromise

[tender wasp]

Search yourself if you are so eager for proof

[brazen sparrow]

I have, and couldn't find it, sooooo

Lmao

[rain dock]

The fact that an apocalypse was happening would mean thst the designers of the arks would have to make compromises with different groups of people and governments just to make it work

[tender wasp]

I know it was said they are not canon and only something that might exist in the Ark universe (Rag for example) but they are not Canon for the story, etc. They have nothing to do with it.

[rain dock]

Yeah, that is right. They are not story canon, but that doesn't mean they aren't in the universe

[tender wasp]

Actually they would give a shit about some cultures. They are to busy to make it work at all and then making different obelisks for different cultures would be unlogic

[tired stream]

Only a few of them can be while making sense…

[rain dock]

That's not really how things work though. To get people to work together you have to respect their beliefs and opinions too

[tired stream]

We would see it more then

[rain dock]

Uh, just open your eyes lol, it happens all over the world

[tired stream]

On the arks, I’m not talking about irl

[tender wasp]

If it is about humanity dead - humanity survive you can't

[rain dock]

Actually, I would say that would make it even more imperative

[tired stream]

It’s like arguing with a wall

[tender wasp]

Did you play Horizon Zero Dawn ? There they even have more preasure to safe humanity and there you can see how they NEED to give a shit about a lot of things or no humanity anymore.

[rain dock]

Just take the environment issue right now. We have to work together and make compromises just to keep people slightly on board

[tender wasp]

You can't argument with something like it is now.. without these preasure.

[brazen sparrow]

Either way, as I've said before, are the non-story Arks non-canon? Maybe. Are they IMPOSSIBLE and never ever going to be possible in the Ark universe? Hell no, weirder things have happened. There's a literal hivemind living space metal that can create/imitate life, dude

[tender wasp]

Earth will not go down in several months.. that is not comparable.. we have time.. they had not

[rain dock]

Uh, earth right now is steadily approaching the greenhouse gas limit that would turn it into venus in the snap of a finger lol

So yeah the pressure is the same

[tender wasp]

Not really.. it is not a in some month thing.

[rain dock]

If active measures weren't in place it very well could lol

[tender wasp]

It is not cause we have time to act. There is no space metal taking over earth in some months.

[rain dock]

What I am saying is that historically in order to achieve great things a lot of compromises have to be made. It would be no different in the ark apocalypse.

[tender wasp]

You don't understand the time preasure thing, don't you ?

[rain dock]

No, I am fully aware of it

[tired stream]

Oh yeah earth dying and we have a few months to get this plan to save humanity in action

Let’s worry about only a few peoples cultures so they are happy👍

[rain dock]

But in the face of certain death, people don't usually work together without reason

[tender wasp]

If I have to safe humanity in some month I CAN'T take regard of people that want obelisks shaped like asses, others like hearts, next one like totems.. then the next on like a wooden ship, etc.. and the Arks were made by modern people.. why even think about making obeliks for some vikings ?

[rain dock]

If there is a time pressure thing, it is imperative that everyone work together, and that may mean some slight modifications from ideal situations

[tired stream]

They still wouldn’t care about culture… lol, if they don’t wanna help because we won’t make a obelisk a giant rock then they can die with earth

[tender wasp]

Important is to make the shit work, not how it looks.

[rain dock]

By that argument scorched should be identical to the island 🙄

What is important is getting people to work together lol

The esthetic of it makes 0 difference

[tender wasp]

The obelisks do look the same and the tech is the same only the eco system is different.

[rain dock]

If you have to save the world and just bulldoze over other people's beliefs and opinions then you will shortly find yourself without finding and without support

Essentially a failed project

It's basic people skills lkl

[tired stream]

With the world ending I don’t think people will care.

[rain dock]

The world ending makes everyone care so much more about their beliefs

Especially if they are religious

[tired stream]

If they don’t want to help the other 90% of the futuristic world because they won’t make a obelisk a giant rock to waste time then they can die with earth like I said

[tender wasp]

belive me, when it comes to death people are willing to make a lot of compromises.

[rain dock]

Which is why a viking themed obelisk makes sense lol

[tired stream]

They don’t tho

[tender wasp]

And in a futuristic setting with high tech you need a small group for planning etc, and normaly the normal person does not even get to know what is happening and simply work.

[tired stream]

If they cared about peoples culture we would see it on every single map.

[tender wasp]

No it doesn't cause it is more important to make it work instead of wasting time for special designs

[rain dock]

Yeah, that is a fictional setting made to make stories simple. In practice it is not as easy to pull off

[rain dock]

Not at all lol

[tired stream]

Think about how much time they would have to waste making a different blueprint for different obelisk for peoples cultures

[tender wasp]

It is if you keep people dumb. If you work in a bigger company you see that allready..

[tired stream]

And also you are not explaining why Fjordur has 6 obelisk compared to the normal 3 on every other ark

Why would they make 3 more arks for someone’s culture

[rain dock]

Some people are willing to be sheep lol, but to make a project like that to work you need to recruit leaders, which means compromise to their beliefs and opinions provided it doesn't jeapordize the whole thing

[tender wasp]

Fjodur is like it is cause Nekarius had the idea to remake the Nordic realms and took Nordic lore and not Ark lore or anything when making it.

[rain dock]

I am not disagreeing with that

[tender wasp]

You recruit leaders and if they don't play along the they get replaced or their memories altered like in the Gen2 ship so they play along.

[rain dock]

I am just making observations lol

[tender wasp]

But everybody with a brain sees the time preasure and rather says ok.. make one Obelisk blueprint so we get it done in time instead of insisting on their cultural shit.

[tired stream]

^

[tender wasp]

So the reasonable thing is to have one design, everyone can live with.

[rain dock]

And I am saying that that doesn't happen with people lol

That's not how humans work lol

[tired stream]

If they don’t wanna help they can die with their planet

[rain dock]

They did anyway lol 🙄

[tired stream]

We have never been months away from the world ending with a huge plan in action

[brazen sparrow]

Nevermind, I already said my piece lol

[rain dock]

And somehow that makes people's nature's change?

[tired stream]

Yes… it very much would

Especially that far into the future, why would some people want a Viking cultured ark

Why would all of humanity waste time making a rock obelisk blueprint

With so little time

And why have we seen it… no where else

[rain dock]

I am thinking you might need some history lessons lol

There have been a number of periods of time that would count as apocalyptic to a culture or kingdom. All you have to do is study how that worked lol

People never magically come together to save humanity

[tired stream]

They never really could before

[rain dock]

Again I disagree

[tired stream]

In a age where we could make giant space stations I’m sure most of humanity would collectively agree to help eachother with literal months left to spare until the end of the world

And whoever doesn’t wanna help can simply stay.

[rain dock]

You don't even have to look back centuries to find different cultures that had different definitions of what it meant to be human than our current modern one, but that's beside the point

[rain dock]

That really sounds naive to me to be honest lol

[tired stream]

You can’t compare civilization centuries ago from ours to one centuries in the future from us

[rain dock]

Why not?

The difference is only a cultural one lol

Understand the differences between that, and it's pretty easy to predict how people will act.

[tired stream]

Because it’s like comparing the first bits of human evolution to humans living on mars

It simply makes no sense to assume that

[rain dock]

Lol, that's not how it works jaja

We are capable of living on Mars now lol

The only thing stopping us from that is that people don't work together to fund it lol

[tired stream]

Capable is different from what I said

[rain dock]

No, not really

[tired stream]

And if the other maps were canon you would think they would all have notes even if they don’t have anything to do with Helena… but they don’t, interesting it’s almost like it’s because they are not canon

[rain dock]

Not necessarily

You would expect signs of civilization

Not everyone writes a journal lol

[tired stream]

Wow kinda mind blowing then that we got a ton of people doing it if it’s so rare

[rain dock]

In any case, the point of the arks was to find the best survivors in the history of the world. Makes sense that they would try the vikings lol

[rain dock]

It's more of a western civilization to write notes lol

[tired stream]

What would changing the way the obelisk look do for the Vikings 😐

[brazen sparrow]

Represent them

Lol

[rain dock]

I don't even want to explain that

[tired stream]

Then they would represent people on every map.

[rain dock]

It seems like beating a dead horse to me lol

[tired stream]

The island has people from all over the damn place and the obelisk are the same as every other canon map. Kinda crazy

But no the Vikings are special for some reason?

Makes no sense to me

[rain dock]

I am thinking nothing makes sense to you lol

[tired stream]

You make stuff make sense then say it’s canon

It doesn’t work like that

[rain dock]

No, I think fjordur is canon

[tired stream]

It’s not

[rain dock]

I can make up all the fictional reasons I want lol

My other arguments were sound though

[tired stream]

Doesn’t mean they are right

[rain dock]

Well, about how people behave together, that was right lol

[tired stream]

People way in the future wouldn’t waste time to worry about their cultures when the world is ending.

[rain dock]

And I completely disagree with that

[tired stream]

That doesn’t make it canon lol

You disagreeing don’t make it canon

[rain dock]

People in the future will not be inherently different than us, nor than those in the past lol

[tired stream]

They would be tho.

[rain dock]

On that I don't care about canon, it's fact

[tired stream]

We are not the same people we were 500 years ago

[rain dock]

Yeah we are lol

Just a different culture

With the same philosophical issues

[tired stream]

Go back 500 years and see how that is

I’m fuckin tired lmao

[rain dock]

That's kind of irrelevant to what I said lol

[tired stream]

People agree on more stuff now then 500 years ago and it will continue to be proven over and over again that more and more people will agree on things as time goes on… so in this case with months of the world ending, far into the future we would work together for any type of plan even if it doesn’t work just for even a small chance to save humanity.

[rain dock]

People are more willing to work together than before, I wouldn't say agree on more things lol

There is very little agreement on anything lol

I think you have more faith in humanity than I do lol

[tired stream]

You are seriously delusional if you think that lol

[rain dock]

No, just have traveled around a bit

[bold dove]

I have faith in the new generations.
I 'don't' have faith that the older generation wont nuke us into extinction

[rain dock]

The new generations will be the old generations soon.

[bold dove]

You know what i meant.

[rain dock]

Yeah, I do, but that is a thing that is constantly repeated practically every generation

The issues remain the same, they are if anything worse now than in the past, but that's probably a conversation for a different area

[bold dove]

I don't know.
With social media, it's easier to influenced younger kids world wide.
It's easier to teach them from right or wrong. (or taint their eyes. But that's a different story)

[tired stream]

With months left let’s worry about making 500 different blueprints for different cultured obelisk, makes a lot of sense… you don’t see different cultured solar panels.. all solar panels look almost identical, if the obelisk were able to be made smaller for less resources and still work you would think they would do that?

[rain dock]

It causes as many problems as it solves too lol

Things made smaller usually take more time to make, so no I don't think that would be a thing lol

[bold dove]

I know.
But theoretically, more kids will be shown the right from wrong at a younger age now.
And with (even if it doesn't seem like it) newer generations being the most accepting of races and your sexuality. Then this shows that 'something' is happening.

[rain dock]

It doesn't stop wars though, or brutality, or greed

I agree that it is a step, but the issues remain the same lol

[bold dove]

That's just how humans are, sadly.

[tired stream]

When it comes to something as big as a obelisk… no

[bold dove]

And a lot of military tactical equipment for wars is hella dehumanizing.
Literally, a fucking 'nuke' is launched via a button.
You don't know who you're killing. You don't know who's children are going to weep with their parents gone.
You as the person that pushed the big-red-button don't know the cause of your destruction.
Only a button, and a panel tracking a dot that represents the package.
'I' personally feel like this is a big issue.
Cause it's just a game to politics. Not peoples lives at risk.

[tired stream]

I think it’s more then just a button press but yes you are right, it’s too easy for someone to do it either way

[rain dock]

Thats kindnof been my whole point

Like don't get me wrong, I am a complete idealist, but I am not blind to human nature lol

You have to understand it to beat it

[bold dove]

With the knowledge we have. We could teach our young the basics and 'objectively' right and wrong.
This 'could' theoretically make humans more docile after a good amount of generations.
The issue stems though with the fact of "What will they do between the time?"

[rain dock]

They would do as they have always done, without proper instruction

And I am not meaning brainwashing

[bold dove]

Honestly, 59% of my worries would be gone if we didn't have nukes.....

[rain dock]

The reason humans are the dominant species on the planet is because we are more capable biologically of reasoning and understanding complex concepts than other creatures. Any solution to the issues of our society that implies brainwashing or hidden knowledge will inherently fail

[rain dock]

Nukes shouldn't be a thing

[bold dove]

Nukes should fucking hippty hoppty get a tasty of their own existence and 'stop' existing.

[rain dock]

Yeah, but the knowledge of them shouldn't be lost

[bold dove]

So that's why the U.S is slowly collapsing.
Cause they're hiding those Area 51 waifu aliens.

[bold dove]

Why not?

[rain dock]

Not really, it's more the idealistic warfare that's dividing it lol

[bold dove]

That was a joke

[rain dock]

Because without that knowledge so much of modern medicine and technology would be lost. A good society should know the science, and choose not to use it for destructive purposes

[rain dock]

r/woosh I guess

[bold dove]

We're humans.
As long as the knowledge exists, someone is going to use it for warfare.

[rain dock]

Yeah, I don't really see that changing. Although I would be really happy to be surprised lol

In any case this has gone way off topic lol

Fjordur == in the ark universe

[bold dove]

This is lore-nerdz.
This is normal

[tired stream]

Just because you say it is… doesn’t mean it is

[rain dock]

I gave some pretty solid reasons lol

[bold dove]

iirr, there was a post awhile ago (like 2018-ish) that someone in Wildcard stated "No. The fanmade maps aren't canon"

[tired stream]

Doesn’t mean it is, don’t know why you don’t get that

[tired stream]

I faintly remember it

[rain dock]

I get your point, I just disagree

Fan made maps aren't story canon yeaj

[bold dove]

'i get your point, i just disagree'
Ahh, so in other words.
"No U"

[tired stream]

It’s like arguing with a wall

[rain dock]

A very talkative wall lol

[bold dove]

Everyone's like that here.
Hell, you've had your moments.
Hell, i've had mine.

[rain dock]

I think fjordur is a great addition to the ark universe

[bold dove]

No

[tired stream]

Yes but he is extra wall

[rain dock]

The fact that is challenges so many notions of what makes an ark is even better

[bold dove]

I get what you're saying, and read your points.
I just disagree though with everything you've said about Floor-door.

[tired stream]

For your door

[bold dove]

"Shore door"

[tired stream]

Other maps I can see beinf in the universe, not for-your-door tho

[rain dock]

That's fine, my points are still valid lol

[bold dove]

Hmmmmm
Are they though?

[rain dock]

About people compromising for the greater good? Yeah

[bold dove]

Validation, is just thinking a personal opinion is facts.

[rain dock]

Personal opinion is that fjordur is canon, facts is that people don't naturally work together without compromise

[pseudo nimbus]

@lyric tendon don't worry about it, the players are HLNA mocked

[bold dove]

Let me guess.
That response was from around 2-5 hours ago?

[lyric tendon]

Basically

[tired stream]

Okay and so are mine… about humans not wasting time to make 500 different obelisk for culture

[bold dove]

Do i win a price for guessing write?

[tender wasp]

Something I mentiond several times allready.. but it is not seen as valid XD

[pseudo nimbus]

Yes

[lyric tendon]

What about some eye crumbs

[rain dock]

Sure, but they might make one to get someone important on board

[bold dove]

Cause no one has actual proof.
I would find it. But that's fucking 4+ years worth of messages i don't want to dig through

[bold dove]

Tasty

[pseudo nimbus]

Free exo mek if you come to Xbox official gen2 1533

[rain dock]

I found it in a first Google search lol

[tender wasp]

Same, I could find it but I am not willing to search for hours.

[pseudo nimbus]

South eden

[bold dove]

I love that natural seasoning that your eyes produce after you wake up from.....a dream that.....you remember that no one loves you.........

Tasty on everything!

[tired stream]

If they don’t want to help they can die with earth lmao.

I’m sure a lot of people didn’t want to help and got left

[lyric tendon]

Basically

[rain dock]

Everyone got left 🙄

[bold dove]

I love how you just 'accepted' the fact that no one likes me. xD

[lyric tendon]

I was talking about me

[rain dock]

I like you, you are like the best person other than shifter to debate witb

[tender wasp]

Stop liking Boot.. flaws their reputition ^^

[bold dove]

I find that to be a 'lie'
But i'm still trying to pick your brain, and even soo if you're capable of lying. 🤔

[pseudo nimbus]

No wonder ||you had to go down a path of degenerate by body acting for a nerd with 30k subs on YouTube jk no diss intended||

[bold dove]

The joke Raq, is i have yet to see you lie about anything yet.

[pseudo nimbus]

Ok you two chill tf out I said no dissing intended

[lyric tendon]

I just woke up, I dunno how I react to that tbh

[rain dock]

I am capable of lying, I just like playing devils advocate too much lol

[bold dove]

Hmm, hmmm.
You know. 'Sometimes' i like the fact that cancel culture exists.

[pseudo nimbus]

:ohshitimfucked:

[bold dove]

Hold up, gonna get the Monarky gang on yo ass

[pseudo nimbus]

I don't want to be on YouTube goddammit

[bold dove]

Too late.
I've been recording this. 👀

[rain dock]

Rip

[pseudo nimbus]

The monarky MC ain't no suckers it looks like

[bold dove]

On a side note.
Fuck Godrick and his dragon hand ass.

[pseudo nimbus]

Boutta become a public enemy for dissing neddythenoodle bootleg and Mazda

[rain dock]

Sounds like an interesting guy lol, with that type of hand

[lyric tendon]

So 0.3% of the entire ARK player base lol

[bold dove]

Motherfucker chopped off his own hand to shove it up a dragons ass, and use it as his new hand.
I'm scared.

[lyric tendon]

This is UwU out of context

[pseudo nimbus]

||I'll be ok with that being a taming method in ark 2||

[bold dove]

What context?
I gave what actually happens in that scene in Elden Ring?

[lyric tendon]

I never played Elden Ring

That's why it's out of context

[bold dove]

Legit though. Imagine we get a form of a parasite that has a symbiotic relationship with us.
We can use it only once, but it merges with us, and changes us slightly in appearance.

[rain dock]

I am imagining beach bobs with dodos on their hands now

[bold dove]

Now, i know people (illegally) porting Monster-Hunter assets onto ARK.
But what about Dark-Souls assets into ARK?

[pseudo nimbus]

⛪✝️

[rain dock]

Next up, Mario carting through the tek cave on the island 😳

[bold dove]

Legit, the cave is shaped like a possible Mario Kart course

[pseudo nimbus]

Purlovias are just bananna peels

[bold dove]

TRUE

[lyric tendon]

I mean, the exclusive Tekgram is literally a car...

[pseudo nimbus]

Tek minigun

Tek shotgun

[bold dove]

I want tek-everything

[rain dock]

Well, I have to hit the hay. Spent the whole day out on a lake and I am tired now lol

[pseudo nimbus]

Tek forge

[bold dove]

I wanna know what tek-tanks looked like

Jamie, stop stalking and talk to us

[tender wasp]

I am working XD

[pseudo nimbus]

"Santiagos wraith"

[bold dove]

Okay, i'm going to go now since Jamie is talking

[tender wasp]

You stay !

[pseudo nimbus]

Tek ac-130

[bold dove]

....okay........

[tender wasp]

Santiago made no tanks regarding to extinction.

There is a note with pics of what he made ^^

[bold dove]

'That's' Santiago.
You don't think the two multi-country super powers never made any?

[tender wasp]

You specialize in something and on that note ha had is stuff on it.

He made jets and stuff so.

Drones and fighters.

[pseudo nimbus]

Ure or Terran who was the "better" team? Which dl you hate less?

[bold dove]

And no tanks?

[tender wasp]

Nope, no tanks.

Missles as well.

[bold dove]

Neither.
They are both shit.
That's like comparing the U.S and Russia

[pseudo nimbus]

That's the point

[bold dove]

Yeaaaah.
I'm not buying that Santiago single handily invented literally 'every' tek-based thing.
I can see him making the major ones. But there's bound to be scientists and engineers that knew enough about tek and element to make their own stuff.

[lyric tendon]

Who needs tanks when you have a giant bipedal, sword welding robot?

[bold dove]

'well, that wasn't till hundreds, if not thousands of years later'

[tender wasp]

Same, I think he made some important ones but also it takes time to invents something and people normaly specialize in some.

[bold dove]

Right.
Then you need the people/machines to 'make' said jets, after the first prototype.
So yeah. There's people who can make stuff like Santiago. Just not 'as' well.

[lyric tendon]

I mean Boston Dynamics are starting to perfecting bipedal robots

[bold dove]

Sooooo.
Tek-tanks exists and no one can say other wise.
The Terrans probably made them.

[tender wasp]

yep and the Tek armor for example he only reverse engeneered but never invented it himself.

[pseudo nimbus]

Tek cryopods

[bold dove]

You're comparing our timeline to a fictional one that could've derailed years ago. 👀

[tender wasp]

And only cause Santiago was e genuious with making stuff, petty sure he was not the only one.

[pseudo nimbus]

I wonder if cryopods were canon

[bold dove]

For all we know, ARK could be set in a Fallout-esce world that people relied more on Nuclear energy after WW2.
Instead of nuking ourselves though, they just made the world shitty via global warming or some shit.

[pseudo nimbus]

Straight up just cryopod you children when you don't wanna raise them

[bold dove]

Probably.
To an extent. A living creature IRL is just a computer.
And if done right, a brain is just data.

[tired stream]

Pretty much what that one guy did for 3 hours

[bold dove]

Raq?

[pseudo nimbus]

Shortcut that for me please

[tired stream]

Ye lol

[pseudo nimbus]

You saying I can cryopod my IRL kids when I go to sleep? 🤨🤨

[lyric tendon]

Tbh I rather cryopod myself so I can get sleep

[bold dove]

Theoretically, if you somehow made a device that digitized the human brain and possibly flesh into a digital form. Then yes.

[bold dove]

W-w-w...wait......
How would you get out of it then if it's one sided?

[lyric tendon]

I will get out... Eventually

[bold dove]

If the batteries don't die off before hand.

[pseudo nimbus]

"Babe It was an accident"
"I will cryopod you in your sleep and throw you down a river it happens again"

[lyric tendon]

"I will put you in the box, flowing down the river grandma!"

[tired stream]

Imagine being a bounty hunter that just cryopods people

[pseudo nimbus]

Ain't cryopods based on freezing technology, hence the cryo prefix?

[tired stream]

It still needs charge

[lyric tendon]

You need to power something to keep it cool

[tired stream]

It has 30 days till it dies

[bold dove]

Still needs batteries

[pseudo nimbus]

But it dosent have batteries

[lyric tendon]

I get my sleep either way

[tired stream]

Cryo fridge charges then

[pseudo nimbus]

Cryofridges do

[bold dove]

It got a small blackhole to power it

[bold dove]

You need a form of battery to store energy

[lyric tendon]

But you still need to power the cryofridge

[pseudo nimbus]

I'm imagining depressed people get their hands on a cryopod
"I wanna cryopod myself so I don't have to deal with this world"
"No please don't we care about you!"

[bold dove]

Power goes into the fridge, and the fridges power goes into the pods.
If the pods can last 30 days with power, then that means it has something in it for the power to not dissipate. Hence a battery.

[pseudo nimbus]

Ok it makes sense now

Imagine you have kids and they want an Xbox series c-137 and you just cryopod them to change what they want

[tired stream]

Imprint food: Xbox

[bold dove]

Imagine cryopodding the fucking Xbox

[tired stream]

I wanna cryo pod the core of the planet

[bold dove]

I wanna cryopod you

[tired stream]

🐀
👁👄👁

[pseudo nimbus]

Cryopods exist irl, probably under some CIA fallout bunker
Hence "missing people" or missing people "reappearing"

Wait, yall know how the saddle stays on a Dino when you cryo it?
Yeah, I don't want to go there either.

[pseudo nimbus]

It makes sense come on

[pseudo nimbus]

Oh god...

Talk about literrally freezing money

[tired stream]

When they first came out I don’t think the saddles stayed if I remember

Not 100% sure tho

[brazen sparrow]

They didn't, the PvP players whined enough though and got it changed

So it's not canon I'd say

Same with cryoing the mek

Non-organic matter wouldn't be cryo'd is what I would think

[glad crow]

If cryopods are based off the principal of freezing a creature to stop it's bodily clock, how do they make them smaller?

[tired stream]

Should of kept them like that honestly

[plain plover]

The cryopod works hand in hand with the ARK data system

it's like a usb for your dinos

just as how the obelisks can transfer you and your dinos through out each other

Same system as the Genesis, which is why creatures born in the simulation can be brought into the real world.

[lyric tendon]

still cant get over the fact the Male Tek Dino is a USB stick while the Female Tek Dino is a 3D printer

[lyric tendon]

Ask Ant Man

[glad crow]

I would, but physics killed him.

[lyric tendon]

you know if a lore is good when i am fully invested on a lore for a game that i never played

[mental isle]

O fr

So who all the straighr characters we have?

Santiago

The college kids from abb

Who else

[bold dove]

We don't know if anyone is straight honestly. (at least authors) iirr

Santiago was never talked about what he liked.
Grad-Students we don't know. (they're from modern day, so whatever they like can be anything)

Nerva is a candidate though for being Bi.
Cause....well....'he's Roman'
Romans liked to have a lot of 'those' type of parties.
Rockwell is most likely straight, with him being from the time-period he's from and stuff like other sexualities other then straight are seen as 'abnormal'
But again, we honestly don't know since Rockwell never talks about his sexuality.

[pseudo nimbus]

Nida and Gabriel

[bold dove]

I don't think it ever confirmed what they where?

[pseudo nimbus]

Well it's half half on the LGBTQ cast

[bold dove]

Note wise, the only characters i can recall that their sexuality was confirmed is Mei and Diana.

[brazen sparrow]

And Yongki, he is gay don't forget

[odd acorn]

i do not supposed LGBTQ

[bold dove]

Who?

[brazen sparrow]

I know you struggle with those Gen 2 notes 🤣

[bold dove]

God fucking dammit. I read them again like two weeks ago, and forgor everything about them.

[brazen sparrow]

It's all good, I have them baked into my mind

[bold dove]

Anyway point is, we don't know a 'majority' of the characters sexuality. (not like it should matter with all of them.)

[bold dove]

Ayo, you baked yourself before reading them?

[brazen sparrow]

Yeah, fair

[brazen sparrow]

My finger was baked on a cookie sheet, a little bit

I wanted cookie, but sheet still hot

[bold dove]

Ah, i meant baked as in 'weed'
But that works also

[brazen sparrow]

I do not partake in the devil's lettuce

Or the Nephilim's Narcotics

[bold dove]

It ain't that bad.
But i don't either.

Wait, 'devil's lettuce'
Is that being said in a ironic, or unironic sense?

[odd acorn]

onm bro

[brazen sparrow]

Ironic

I am not christian lol

[bold dove]

Okay, making sure you're not one of those "Every drug is produced by the devil to temp you" type of people.

[brazen sparrow]

Nah, I'm fine with those who take them, just not the peeps who base their whole personality around drugs, those people are kinda lame usually

[mental isle]

Drugs

?

[tired stream]

You are not wrong lol

[bold dove]

That's called 'addiction'

[brazen sparrow]

Truuuuuuue tho

[lyric tendon]

That is how forgetable Gen 2 was

In Gen 1 at least we have some memorable "player slander" in the tidbits

[bold dove]

I did like Genesis-1 notes.
While they didn't bring much to the table of lore. They at least brought some world-building. (and confirms there's dumbass people in the simulation)

[lyric tendon]

Basically lol

[brazen sparrow]

They straight up nerd on the meshers in the Gen 1 notes, right?

[bold dove]

Yep

And dupers.
And the people who are overly obsessed with a single animal......
Otter. 👀

[solemn linden]

Nida and Gabriel's notes were pretty good, but I agree that Gen 2 Santiago's notes were kind of forgettable for the most part, aside from a few interesting details.

[tired stream]

And bobs that die too much lol

[brazen sparrow]

HLN-A just be dunkin on us that whole DLC tbh

[solemn linden]

Helena thought that the dodos were the basis of the Island's food chain, but she was wrong. The food chain relies entirely on the continual production of new Bobs for the carnivores to eat

[pseudo nimbus]

This is how you summon me

[solemn linden]

I see Tek isn't the only thing you enjoy lmao

[pseudo nimbus]

I've said multiple times in this chat on how much i like weed

[solemn linden]

Didn't remember that at all so I checked and discord says you've mentioned it dozens of times in #ark-2 and #general but not in this channel so I guess that's why I missed it lmao

[bold dove]

'weed'

[lyric tendon]

i like how the lore of Gen 1 is just pure "Player Slander" lol

[pseudo nimbus]

Whomsoever has awoken the tek one?

[bold dove]

Now hear me out.
'Tek weed'

[lyric tendon]

the low quality edmundium

[pseudo nimbus]

Tek crop plots seem to have another use...

If I put precisely 3.7 ounces of element into my joint, it will get me high like a ferox for approximately 45 minutes

[plain plover]

Jesse, we need to change markets. There is a new blue.

[digital flower]

Gen 1 - ARK slander
Aberration College Kids - Some 90s horror movie idk

[lyric tendon]

basically

[mental isle]

The planet we've arrived at is called Arat. We
know that "Arat Prime" was a location on the
opposite side of Earth from the Sanctuary City
and in Earth's twilight zone. It's also where HLN-A
and (unconfirmed) we the Survivor beamed
aboard Genesis Colony Ship to.

It seems the rear ring (the uninfected one) from
the Genesis Colony Ship has crashed onto Arat.
Arat is not uninhabited! Local Aratai will attack
you and your tribe to try to free their land from

[bold dove]

....Yes?

I think around everyone here that's caught up to the lore knows this

[mental isle]

Oh no this is just here for anyone new to lore to read to catch up

🙂

[digital flower]

Tbh we need a post genesis summary on the subreddit

[bold dove]

Ah.
Then pins exists

[bold dove]

True

[digital flower]

But we don't know much about ark 2 atm so maybe if we get more lore information during extra life which we probably won't tbh it'll just be general information and Q&A

[bold dove]

Well, we may.

Cause we've always get small details with the lore of the next map.
Cause a lot of the ideas of the map itself is tied to the lore.

The ending of Genesis-1 only showed that Rockwell returned.
But the reveals in the Extra-Life for Genesis-2 showed two biomes dedicated to him. Showing that he's physically growing like a biomass, and has a sandbox.

[pseudo nimbus]

Are doors canon?

[bold dove]

No

[digital flower]

Is meshing canon?

[plain plover]

yes

[pseudo nimbus]

This a joke?

[bold dove]

No

[bold dove]

Yes.
It's called 'trenches'

[plain plover]

I still don't think that the Eden ring crashed into the planet. That piece in the trailer looks way more like one of the Warp drive emitters then the ring

[pseudo nimbus]

[plain plover]

a lot of it was still intact after the end of Gen 2

[bold dove]

Looks like a chunk of the ship, not a ring.
So i do agree

[pseudo nimbus]

Good, because I wasn't either

[plain plover]

The eden ring is probably still orbiting performing the functions that allow people to not die

[bold dove]

You high?

[bold dove]

(if they're even keeping respawning in the story)

[digital flower]

Tbf don't we see the Eden ring at the end of gen 2 just hovering slowly down to the planet sending off the pods

[pseudo nimbus]

I drank 6 bottles on budweiser about r5 miniutes ago

[digital flower]

And then the pods being sent down with bits of the other ring and ship flying down

[bold dove]

Makes sense

[plain plover]

the A.I. said "stable orbit confirmed"

[pseudo nimbus]

And I'm listening to music so, weird combination

[plain plover]

things don't go out of orbit unless you push them

believe me I played KSP

[digital flower]

Maybe it landed somewhere on the planet? Which could explain how the pods and other systems are still functioning

[bold dove]

'I play KSP, and so i know all of space magic talk'

[mental isle]

I cant pin

[digital flower]

And how we even have dinosaurs on the planet

Because if it crashed chances are they wouldn't be alive

[plain plover]

Because they were also shot down in the pods

[pseudo nimbus]

Drop pods

[bold dove]

Never said you had to.
But the gist of ARK's story is in the pins.

[plain plover]

those things are bigger then they look

[bold dove]

Okay, but the question is 'what is shooting them down.'

[plain plover]

infact they're like yacht size

[plain plover]

Me

[bold dove]

God fucking dammit Red. Why do you have to ruin everything?

[pseudo nimbus]

Joshy

[plain plover]

I will colonize Arat\

[bold dove]

I just wanted to ride on the funny space rollercoaster, then your ass shot it down.

[digital flower]

That same ai does say that there's a "catastrophic biome failure"

[pseudo nimbus]

Life will end but there is no end to redgear

[plain plover]

And establish a fast food empire like no other

[digital flower]

So maybe the Eden ring couldn't function without the other ring or parts of the ship

[digital flower]

Well I'm British so Arat is just free real estate to me

[bold dove]

There is, if you paint him blue

[pseudo nimbus]

Turning somthing blur dosent magically are somrhing blue

[bold dove]

English is the only language allowed here.

[pseudo nimbus]

I am English

[digital flower]

Ew English

[bold dove]

Your last message certainly wasn't

[pseudo nimbus]

You weren't gonna make somthing lay face down In his own blood by painting his blue

[plain plover]

Oh I've got a brand new shiny tek helmet and a pair of kinky boots
I've got a lovely new tek rifle and a lovely tek suit
and when we go, into the void, we hold each other's hand
we are the Terran Federation and we're here to take your land

[bold dove]

Paint someone hard 'enough' and you could.

[pseudo nimbus]

Terran british

[outer sorrel]

Eu servers down?

[pseudo nimbus]

I don't paint to care about your lies

[digital flower]

I mean about your idea I agree the ring is still orbiting but its incapable of maintaining life anymore so it sent every form of life it owns down to the planet but is still running off some sort of form of power maybe solar, or backup? Which could explain why Santiago could interact with his pod in the trailer and purge his simulation data so there's still some sort of connection with the ships systems and power

[pseudo nimbus]

And I'm not as think as you drunk I am

[plain plover]

Yeah, the ring can function on its own, though the biomes within are probably dead

they "Evacuated all lifeforms"

[digital flower]

Thats somehow even worse than being British I couldn't imagine such a fate

[pseudo nimbus]

Fate face with sleepy aratai

[plain plover]

I think that ring is going to be like the satalite that relays transfers to other maps and stuff like obelisks

[pseudo nimbus]

Aratai is a type of martian art I thought?

[plain plover]

and maybe OSDs return with Aratai being the enemy

[digital flower]

Maybe thats the dark forces which the ark 2 info mentions idk how or if its possible but maybe some of the rockwell gardens creatures survived and their on the planet

[plain plover]

The dark force is also me

[pseudo nimbus]

I dunno I think It has to do with blue tea

[digital flower]

Yeah or they just use the drop pod system gen 2 had

Which I honestly won't even mind

[lyric tendon]

I doubt it be the garden creatures as the garden is already exploded

[pseudo nimbus]

I think I'm about yo pass out

[plain plover]

And yeah like zones of corruption that we have to fight shadowmanes and stuff in to get our hands on element from pieces of the Garden ring

that ring is smitheries, for sure

[digital flower]

I could imagine a cutscene of us being shot down from the ships pod system and maybe thats how they'll explain respawning?

[plain plover]

The pods have the ability to clone

[pseudo nimbus]

Since when did my shadow get a mane