lore-nerdz

[trail loom]

in asa*

[umbral field]

I'm really sad they retconned diana/mei yin in extinction, because diana only being able to think of that cheesy "Miss me, beautiful?" and Mei Yin loving it anyway was just the best thing

[trail loom]

its just a sad diana had a terminal case of "diedoffscreenitus"

[granite stump]

Even if they’re the same colors it doesn’t fully show them all being the same thing. They are all made of element but corruption is a whole different path element takes with what is shown by Rockwell since the raw molten stuff doesn’t trigger corruption at all

Atleast when it’s directly injected into something’s blood stream

[trail loom]

what im saying is they could have called it something else than "purple element" when element is already purple

[granite stump]

That is a bit of an issue with lost colony since they rope corruption and the stuff Rockwell used as purple element which… isn’t wrong but also isn’t right either

[main steppe]

Maybe just acknowledge it by having a character call it blue and Rockwell insist it’s purple

[granite stump]

That still isn’t accurate. It’s just best to call Rockwells purple and the stuff on earth it’s whole other thing like simply calling it corruption

Then again corruption doesn’t exist anymore on earth so that could be what is being insinuated

[trail loom]

id say call it edmundium but that would just be stroking his ego

even though he called regular element that any ways

[granite stump]

Yeah, so either way it’s just kinda a mess but I think I’m actually understanding this a bit now after careful thought

The lost king is just calling Rockwells purple and not at all referring to the corruption since it’s not on earth anymore so I think Rockwells purple element is really just all that remains

Atleast of bad element

[trail loom]

like I understand they wanted to diffrenciate rockwells element from red element and even the element we use in tek...its just they should have named it something else

[steel tree]

the different kinds of element they are comming up with just remind me of the over complicated different types of energon in transformers prime

[trail loom]

that is a show i havnt seen in years lol

[umbral field]

I always assumed tek element was refined and therefore biologically inert, hence it not appearing to be corruptive on its own, and would also explain why mining and refining it pissed element/hivemind off (essentially humans were ripping it apart and killing it piece by piece)

But now apparently it's just a different color...

[tulip scaffold]

Do we know the reason why the arks couldnt purge the element from arat prime ?

[umbral field]

Just its dome, but it probably didn't help that the Ark assigned to land there was corrupted, damaged, and crashed

[bold dove]

The dome.
That's all

[bold dove]

Think the only way to fully kill Element, is to either Thanos snap it via a Reseed protocol, or to completely merge it into an alloy.
If there's any amount of energy within the Tek device though, that can still produce Element spores for it to pollute and regrow.
Meaning that it's still at least somewhat alive. Whatever "alive" is with Element.

[umbral field]

Element spores?

[bold dove]

The One Who Waits states in an Ext note that Element spreads via a spore-like way.
You burn Element for fuel, and the blue particles you see are microscoptic amounts of Element.
They settle on the ground, and over time, they can grow into new Element ores, and then eventually Element veins.

They're not literally spores.
But she compares them to spores, so that's what I go with.

[umbral field]

Ahh i didn't think it could come from refined

A fair headcanon then yeah

[bold dove]

Not a headcanon. She states that in a note.
It's kind of just conductive reasoning to come to the conclusion that, if refined Element can still spread and pollute, as stated in the notes. That refined Element is still likely 'somewhat' alive.

[umbral field]

Oh no i mean the blue particles from burning it themselves being spore like

[bold dove]

Yeah, pretty sure that's also confirmed.

[umbral field]

And refined being alive... I'd say I'd love for them to confirm or deny it but. I don't think the lore really matters anymore

[trail loom]

its honestly a good thing the lore takes secondary priority to me over the childlike fantasy of running around with pet dinosaurs/dragons (not that them botching the lore so badly in LC was a good thing)

[bronze turtle]

Didn’t Mei and Diana survive the king titan and leave extinction so they could find arat prime? Where is Diana now? Only Mei found the lost colony

[umbral field]

They just never mentioned her. She may have died again or they might be retconning her revival, we have no idea

[bronze turtle]

Hmm but she has to be dead right? Because it wouldn’t make Sense if she waited all that time while Mei was the lost Queen, also we do see her as these ghost like cutscenes in the introduction of the lost Queen like she is already Dead and in the end Mei just leaves with Helena and both of them want to bring Diana back on Arat

[umbral field]

We can only guess

The codex theoretically should only have base blueprints of people from earth; that's how it worked in Genesis 2 with Santiago so if they're trying to revive Diana again WITH her memories of Mei Yin and the Arks and Helena, they'd be retconning how the engram codex works

Possibly Helena can just do it again but then I've no idea why she'd need the codex

[bronze turtle]

Those Things will be answered in Ark 2 Right? Or is that something Bobs true Tales could answer

[umbral field]

Ngl the writing, plot holes, and retcons are so bad right now, the legit answer is that we have no idea

They might wrap it all up in a believable way or further muck it up

[bronze turtle]

Doesn’t she need the Codex to bring the people to arat? I mean she isn’t that homo deos thingy anymore Right? And how did Rockwell get into the lost colony?

[bronze turtle]

Hmmm it’s kinda interesting that’s why i watched neddys 2 hour video

[umbral field]

She still is homo deus as far as we know (which raises serious questions about hln-a in the new timeline)

Rockwell crashed on the aberrant ark at arat prime as presumably a fresh clone but with his memories

[bronze turtle]

Ohhhh so is she like those Voices Mei and Diana heard but now for Meeka or is she like a real Person with powers?

Ohhh i thought the lost king had him teleported with the Codex, do we know how the lost Queen got poisoned by the purple Element?

[umbral field]

We don't really know but given that she appears from thin air and meeka says she's heard her all her life she's not corporeal at least

For the latter I'd watch all the explorer notes from LC; they're uploaded to youtube by now and it's sort of a spoiler unless you want a spoiler

[bronze turtle]

I already watched them but I dont think that they told us how the lost Queen got infected Right? Also thanks for answering my questions!

[umbral field]

They do, she attacks Rockwell and drinks his blood

And nppp

It's in the final Rockwell notes on the map

[bronze turtle]

Ohhhhh okay thank you

[barren grove]

Who is the lost king in relation to the lore may I ask

[hollow creek]

a guy that lived in Arat prime and found red element and lived off zombies

[umbral field]

Scientist/admin in charge of the genesis launch site region

[lyric tendon]

Admin turned LARPer lmao

[lean fog]

I know they tested the magmsaur on scorched but decided not to allow it to be there in the lore but was there any other creatures mentioned to have been tested on another ark or was it just the magmasaur?

[hollow creek]

Think magma is the only one

[granite stump]

It was only mentioned that the magmasaur was the one tested. No other creatures

[near wren]

Where is this chat for?

[compact zenith]

Lore...

[bronze turtle]

Okay I’m back and I have realized that there is that one scene in the lost colony lost queen introduction that could explain what happened to Diana, in that scene the lost king speaks to meiyin about her allies and there is the scene where Diana says “You’ll come back for me right babe? Never let go, I don’t think I can face death again alone” where she already gets out of her mek so that means that scene was on extinction, so maybe she is still alive and is waiting outside that barrier that keeps the lost colony alive while mei was the lost queen, ofc she could have died from something else but the result is the same, Helena needs the codex and the ship on their planet to revive both of them on arat

[umbral field]

I've no idea, the codex shouldn't have their Ark memories but I have a feeling they wrote that scene first and then retconned it... hopefully they clarify at some point

[wet yew]

Kinda says it in the channel name bud 😂

[near wren]

No it says lore nerds but there is no lore in here

[wet yew]

yes it says "lore" which means its a lore channel where people talk about the lore of the game

[inland totem]

Hey, did anyone catch what Helena comments on LC when you receive your first Thrall? The comment from the Lost King is in almost every youtube video and Helena's in none. I only understood half of it.

[mental basin]

"I think you might've won this one over by helping an Outpost. That's an interesting development."

[inland totem]

Thank you! <3

[random ice]

Y’all just a quick what-if thought.
What do y’all think would have happened if Abberation crashed into like the dark zone of Earth on Extinction instead of the daytime side and ended up near the Lost Colony?

[wet yew]

aberration did crash near arat prime. the "dark" side of the earth

[random ice]

oooooooh okay.
I got my lore confused.

I’ve been sticking to NeddyTheNoodle’s Survival Stories for my lore basis and I guess Lost Colony is screwing up my memory lol

[mental basin]

This vexes me

[mental basin]

Lost Colony outright retconned a lot of stuff

And is extremely inconsistent with the former narrative, lol

For example, Mei-Yin's Survival Story is no longer as accurate as it once was, since her entire pre-ARK backstory was revoked in Lost Colony.

[random ice]

I think they are trying to merge the game and animated series together too much

(Why did my autocorrect put korea lol)

[mental basin]

Yep that's been the case for awhile now lol

Let's shoehorn the NONcanon story into the CANON one

Ruined a 10-year narrative award

I love the game, and I like TAS, but man.

[main steppe]

I’m fine with them being like, alternate timelines. I may not like some of the adaptional choices in TAS, but as long as it and the game were these two separate universes, I was fine. Now, not only are they retconning, but it’s extremely sloppy retconning. The kind where you genuinely don’t know what the story is now.

[random ice]

Lore wise, Lost Colony is a nightmare unless I can make it somehow work by cutting out unnecessary details.

Actual content wise, I like it. Boss fights are good and the lost kings VA killed it on performance. Map looks awesome and DEAR GOD I love the cosmetics.

It’s better than Aquatica I’ll tell ya that

[random ice]

Without a doubt the work of the Snail doing this

[random ice]

ALSO.
I think for me to make Lost Colony work in my book, I need to ignore her Pre-ARK story getting retconned but probably can fit it well.

Maybe after Mei Yin’s time in Extinction she goes to Arat and then gets turned into the Lost Queen following the dope MAPPA animation.

Then most likely the reason she looks the same in her cutscene where she is turned back to normal compared to when she was fighting the Lost King is because the Lost Colony is like a vampire kind of thing so it stopped her from aging?
(Girl got Twilighted on the OVERSEER she got vamp’d)

Then the Lost Colony NOW when we (Survivor) defeat the lost king is like decades to a few hundred years maybe after OUR events of Extinction when we purge the element?

[mental basin]

It's complicated, lol

[hushed ravine]

Wait, is it actually mei yin like physically there in the cutscene after the Lost queens defeat? I just assumed it was some spiritual homodeus bs and not her physically being there (no clue if that makes sense)

[main steppe]

Yeah, she’s physically there and alive.

[lyric tendon]

i guess the red stuff made her immortal against her will

and brought back her arm apparently

[mental basin]

What are you talking about

[lyric tendon]

Mei lost her arm against Darius in their cutscene

and if you look at the lost queen her suppsed "lost arm" looked fine like it's not remade

[mental basin]

Yeah 'cause she was genetically modified lol

They just rebuilt her a new arm, what

[lyric tendon]

the new arm should not be the same as her normal one, it doesnt feel like she lost it at all if a "typical ARKer" skips cutscenes

[mental basin]

Dude they gave her wings, lol

And made her like, an extra 3ft taller

They could make her a new arm 😭

[lyric tendon]

the survivor can do that

[mental basin]

??

[lyric tendon]

what i am pointing out here is that

LC is a consistancy nightmare

even in their own contained "lore"

[main steppe]

I’m pretty sure that can just be explained away as “lost king made her a new arm” and it just un-mutated alongside her

Like, that’s not a far stretch.

[mental basin]

Yes it is, but pointing out something with a very clear explanation as if it were any sort of inconsistency is just disingenuous, lol

[lyric tendon]

i am a firm believer of visual/enviromental storytelling and just looking at her without the context of the notes doesn't tigger me that "she lost an arm"

[mental basin]

It shouldn't unless you watch the cutscene

It is wholly unimportant

[lyric tendon]

usual ARK player: skips cutscene

[mental basin]

Literally just hype moments and aura, lol

You don't need to know that she lost her arm to understand she failed to retrieve the Codex

That's explained more than well enough in the ensuing bossfight

That's like saying Rockwell failing to draft his second letter to the Iron Brotherhood is crucial to his descent into madness on Aberration (it's not.)

[main steppe]

Also a player could just as easily not notice an environmental element of the storytelling, so it if cutscenes and notes can be disregarded, so can the environmental storytelling

[lyric tendon]

the difference here is that the iron brotherhood wasnt namedropped nor really cruicial to the rockwell plot until Helena sooo, still big difference

[mental basin]

Actually, it was first namedropped by Rockwell.

Also, again. Mei-Yin losing her arm isn't important. At all.

You're speaking as if it's crucial to some kind of character arc, lol. It was just there to be cool.

What did you expect? Mei-Yin to yap about missing her arm half the fight? I'm confused.

Also, if you're wondering how she magically got her arm back after it all went down, the Codex is just feet away from Mei-Yin.

[lyric tendon]

what i expect is her arm be different given the aestethics of the red element mutation and darius pale arse

[mental basin]

But why?

[main steppe]

It wouldn’t matter since red element and element gets purged, so it would just go back to normal anyway.

[mental basin]

Why would the Lost King rebuild her arm imperfectly? 😭

[lean fog]

i mean they can clone dinos from basic info and basically 3d print mass produce things so regenerating an arm kinda seems basic as hell

[lyric tendon]

is his thralls are perfect tho? like a 1:1 clone survivor replica?

[main steppe]

“Eheheheh, as proof of my victory, I shall add TWO thumbs, as proof of my victory!”

They start that way. Then they mutate due to red element.

[lean fog]

i mean hell i can see them when they revived a survivor who had say a major issue like downs or some other genetic issue they just removed that to put them in the most fit form

granted those college kids kinda implies they just chuck everyone as is at random so 🤷

[tame marsh]

so for the reseed protocol, when you have element in you, would the protocol just kill you?

or would it just purge the element and leave you ok?

would it kill the creatures that have bonded with element beneficially like the Snow owl and Managarmr?

[umbral field]

I honestly assumed that the Mei Yin there was some kinda mental meeting, since she's basically physically dead & suddenly not a 20 foot tall demon vampire. And Helena is there, and is not physically there, so.

[umbral field]

Man that's grim, I hadn't even considered that. I figured it'd wipe all the Thralls you have working your base though rip. I'm pretty sure it'd kill anyone who did have Element in them

Rockwell talks about how the Lost King could just put his entire people and himself into clean new bodies to survive the Protocol, and asks why he doesn't, and the dude basically says "vampire cool lmao" so I'd assume it would kill them as-is

[bold dove]

The Survivor can't regenerate a whole ass arm.

[inland totem]

After watching Raasclark's boss attempt, Mei Yin cheats as the Lost Queen and the tethering phase is rebuilding herself through the Codex. "Oh you ruined some vital organs, let's have some new ones quickly lol", one arm is nothing against that.

[main steppe]

Turns out Mei Yin was just a really big Wolverine fan.

[lean fog]

that dunno tbh

remember thing back in ase a dev or someone said yeah they dead but not sure on that plus feel like the pulse was in the ground so if it did affect them they could land after and maybe be fine?

[mental basin]

I think it's kind of a spectrum

We have Red Element in ourselves at the end of Lost Colony, but since it was such a little amount, we were not killed

Though Creatures like the Gigadesmodus and Managarmrs are more than certainly dead

I'd like to imagine that some of the lesser Thralls survived the long dark, and were given a second chance on the Reseeded Earth.

[north bear]

Personally I think no

Because there is still element in genesis

So I would guess that only corruption got destroyed

So snow owl and mana should be good

I guess

[tame marsh]

That is fair since somehow the owls are on the ship

[north bear]

Also

If pure element was destroyed the arks and the gen ship would have been destroyed

[lyric tendon]

HD Helena stated "purging element" in the ending i recall, not "purging corruption"

As for genesis, it's long gone before the reseed reached it anyways

[tame marsh]

So more purging the purple and red element but not blue?

[north bear]

In note 17 of the one who wait she says that there will be some corruption left post reseed protocol

[lyric tendon]

Is that ext or lc?

Doesnt make sense if it's ext

If LC that is just from Ab falling while red element is preserved due to darius' shield blocking the reseed (i recall)

[north bear]

Extinction

[tame marsh]

If the shield is element powered, wouldn’t it be weak to the protocol?

[lyric tendon]

I read to this later, i am not on PC

[mental basin]

That's irrelevant

And yes, the Reseed killed Manas, Velonosaurs, Snow Owls, Gasbags, Gachas

[north bear]

Why?

[north bear]

Why gasbag?

[mental basin]

Because the Reseed Protocol affected Earth, not the entire universe, lol

Gasbags have Element in their systems.

Their bellies.

[north bear]

Well the ark still exists

And they were totally made of element

[mental basin]

The ARKs aren't made of Element lol

They CONTAIN Element. There is Element used in their infastructure, but they aren't entirely Element.

And they worked for as long as they needed to, to purge Element. Then they themselves were purged.

[tame marsh]

So essentially what would be left is the earth and water that was apart of it?

[mental basin]

Pretty much

And that was kinda the point, just to reseed & terraform Earth.

The megastructures would likely be there too, just without the Element, lacking functionality.

[tame marsh]

Ah

Except Sanctuary, that place got obliterated

Cause it was in the way?

[granite stump]

It was in the pulse range and it just kinda got flattened due to it

[tame marsh]

Unfortunately

Hopefully no one was in the city

[main steppe]

I wouldn’t mind another expansion set on earth post extinction that actually shows us human civilization rebuilding, and what the society of a post reseed earth look like.

[mental basin]

Mhm, got terraformed

Bye-bye city of dreams

[main steppe]

Imagine being a survivor just trying to live your life. You’ve got an apartment in this abandoned city.

And then a giant Kaiju duel happens and suddenly the city just collapses in on itself

[mental basin]

They probably respawned, tbh

Rockwell respawned once he died in Aberration's crash

So there was a bit of a grace period, it would seem. Even if fleeting.

[main steppe]

Oh, yeah, they likely did.

Not too sure about the apartment, though.

[mental basin]

Respawned with nothing to their name.

[granite stump]

Crap forgot my little buddy (Armordoggo) in the city-

[mental basin]

I hate to break it to ya

But he was vaporized when the ARKs landed, 'cause of the Element in his system

[granite stump]

Do they have element in their system? I never actually tamed one so idk if they actually are like the other element based animals

[bold dove]

So, how do the Genesis-2 Ext creatures work?

[bold dove]

They have some Element growths like any of the Ext-creatures

[mental basin]

Yep. Dreadnaughts as well.

The Gen2-Ext ones are fine. They're away from Earth. Though, most, if not of them are on the Garden Ring, so dead.

But the Codex has copies of the base Creature nevertheless.

[bold dove]

So they could be brought back without the Element?

[mental basin]

If altered to survive without it, I guess. But they use the Element in their quintessential functions.

Like, Manas use it for their jumping & dashing.

[bold dove]

Guess with how extreme they'd need to be altered to live without it. They could be considered more of an evolution of their predecessors then flat out their previous versions.

[lyric tendon]

Astrodelphis laughs in space

[white kayak]

guys i jus beat extinction and im confused as to why genesis exists
we already saved earth

[digital junco]

or did we

[hollow creek]

When was going to shit, they made 2 back up plans
1 is save the earth via the reseed protocol
2 is find a new planet

[white kayak]

so if its already saved why dont the genesis ppl just come back🧠

[hollow creek]

They are millions of light years away

[white kayak]

so theyre just not gona come back? why did we save the earth then

[hollow creek]

They didn't know if it was gonna work, their plan already working and it not long after the RP starts coming down that Genesis finds arat

[mental basin]

Because the Seed Ship was meant to colonize a second world

1.) They don't know Earth was healed
2.) It would've been counterintuitive to return

[white kayak]

okay i get it, thanks both of you

[tame marsh]

I kinda wanna see Nerva again

See him have a crisis over his purpose and then reform, unlike Rockwell

[umbral field]

And even if not, the city got vaporized RIP. That always cracked me up in an awful way--my base was in the city, and the hopeful happy tone of the end cinematic of Extinction was SLIGHTLY marred by my utter horror watching it get obliterated by the Island Ark landing there. Oh my god. There goes my base, and all my tames, lol

i feel like whoever did the end cinematics might not have considered the actual lore of the map. Eyeing up the Antarctic turning into jungle rn.

[jolly dew]

Yo, who the heck is Charlotte ?

Rockwell was a dad before...all this ? OOOOHHHH does he became those tentacles thing because he think he could ressurect here ?

Combo that and the friend he made...yeah he is kinda broken, no wonder the element was able to corrupt him

[umbral field]

they're (unfortunately imo) making the animated series canon and i think that's his daughter from there

or i should say, at least parts of it, idk if the whole thing will be

[jolly dew]

Pardon me but I think that there is TWO continuety, hear me out: the animated series on Paramouth is indeed not canon, but the animation from Lost Colony for example are just a way to give the story outside the usual notes or voicelines (yeah my hear me out suck but that's the only plausible thing I have in mind)

[umbral field]

you can headcanon that, but they're introducing a lot of plot points from the series into game notes, which makes it game lore

[jolly dew]

(Unless there is literal scene from the animated series that are inside the canon and then, this theory is dead)

[umbral field]

unfort a lot of that is retconning the old game lore, like diana being revived is just missing completely

[jolly dew]

HEADCANON ?! remove this word of my face, It's only a simple theory, neither true, neither false but a possible thing, headcanons are dangerous in fandoms and it's wise to not bring this in a discussion (and sorry if I sound rude)

[umbral field]

it would be headcanon yeah because the animated series stuff is in the game now, charlotte among them, but also helena x mei yin, mei yin being a martial artist instead of beast queen etc

[jolly dew]

But i get what you mean

[umbral field]

they are retconning diana x mei yin being a couple on Extinction, having them break up in Aberration retroactively via Lost Colony notes and so on.

[jolly dew]

I mean....It's wasn't the case already the lesbian stuff with mei Yin and Helena before the series ?

[umbral field]

No. Mei Yin was with Diana.

there was no point in the old lore at which she could have been with Helena, that's animated series content being kinda shoehorned in

[jolly dew]

Yeah it's start to get confusing, Wildcard what the hell ? Can you just separate animation and the game like all medias ???

[umbral field]

welcome to lore nerdz 🙂

[jolly dew]

Sigh...it's going to be a pain worse than Marvel or DC

Do there is a list of all the retcons I can find (at least the official ones) if this is happening ?

(Also i'm starting to think that ASE and ASA are just two timelines at that point

[umbral field]

I believe there's videos on the topic, but there's no list. a couple of the folks in this channel may have links/videos

[mental basin]

TAS is not canon.

Wildcard is intertwining the two closely, but they are not canon to one another.

[umbral field]

that's why i clarified parts of it!

[umbral field]

That did make me wonder, do you have a vid up about the divergence in lore for ASA? I haven't searched

[mental basin]

Nope

[umbral field]

damn okay

[jolly dew]

Then....it's not canon or not (The animated series) ?

[hollow creek]

TAS isn't cannon

[main steppe]

It’s not canon to the game’s timeline. It’s canon to its own timeline.

[tame marsh]

but the writiers are trying to jam elements of TAS into the game canon

[main steppe]

Yeah, that doesn’t make the entire animated series canon

[jolly dew]

I see

[lyric tendon]

Not canon but shoe horned because "we have these Hollywood assets but nothing to do with them"

[fast gorge]

@mental basin hey wanted to ask how the lost colony lore video going to come out cause I am mighty lost

[mental basin]

The audio is recorded. I'm still editing it together, along with the visuals and music. There's a lot of work to do, but it's slow working on both the video and my job.

Blah blah blah, Patreon has exclusive behind the scenes stuff, I'll drop a trailer eventually.

[fast gorge]

Dang your making videos and have a job that’s actually crazy I could never

[compact zenith]

I don't have money for patreon, but will probably watch it and give like

[jolly dew]

Something that did make me think of maybe weird incoherences ? (Idk what to call it but let's just say incoherences)...Creatures made by Rockwell like Summoner, the zombies, Noglin or Shadowmanes (same applied to the Gigadesmodus and the Thrall for the Lost King) are like your enemy, and it's their creations, they should be under control...but you can tame most of those beasts and creatures, more or less ease (and i'm not even talking about the Titans, who are completely made of element, the thing that make your world dead), but you can spot in the black dots and he became your best friend.....I try to check Somewhere like some lore stuff on the wiki but there is nothing that tell how it's possible if those things are like Rockwell's création, Lost King control or just, pure abstract beings made of matter that destroy your world and probably have a strong connection with the hivemind of the Element....Someone have a idea how it's happening ?

(outside of gameplay of course)

[compact zenith]

I can only assume you breaking hive mind control by destroying element spots on them. About thralls no idea, will check their dossier later, gigadesmo is just a tame. Rockwell creatures probably not fully controlled, cuz why summoner not attack you right after Rockwell eye see you.

[hollow creek]

The titans is u severing their connection to the hivemind, they start and die shortly after being disconnected.

Gigadesmodus and Rockwell are just animals, summoners and microphage are the immune systems if the inwards

Thralls are reward, so they likely removed from the hivemind of the lost, makes sense for the defense outpost rewards, not so much on the attack ones

[bold dove]

Thralls can also join you if you do attack outposts.
Meaning they have enough freewill to fear The Survivor and join them out of it.
Which tells me they're not really a "hivemind". Just telepathically connected.
We're infected with Red Element, yet the Lost King can't directly control us.

[lean fog]

the process was also interrupted so maybe he can't and is stuck doing the voice in head stuff

[bold dove]

I doubt it, because if he had fully control. We wouldn't be able to get thralls via the attack missions.

Why would he give us thralls for destroying his outposts, and commanders?

[lean fog]

for us acting as a challenge and ensuring they don't get complacent? or maybe we breaking the link and he's claiming they're 'rewards' to hide how ticked he is?

[bold dove]

Thinks those are pointless stretches, to an easier, and likelier solution.

If I recall right in their dossier, they're called "Homo servilis".
They where made specifically to serve others.
There was a time when Arat Prime still had humans in it. So likely people with more authority where issued their own thralls.
But civil-wars broke out, eventually leaving Darius as the only non Homo servilis left. Making every thrall serve him.
But now that another human (us) is here. They now have the opportunity to serve someone else that isn't the Lost King.

[lean fog]

he's prob still mad there's another 'rival' tho given he only one left before we arrived his ego's prob through the roof

[lean fog]

I know we only see it happen near sanctuary and arat prime but do all the area's seem to just get covered in green? feel like some places should be covered in snow on earth granted dunno state of world and how much was already melted etc before the tidal lock happened

[bold dove]

Sanctuary is on a border between the cold side of the planet, and the extreme hot desert side.
Realistically, this is actually the only place that'd be livable on a tidally-locked planet. Which is why it can hold some green.
Arat-Prime is inside of a forcefield with a city that produces heat. So things can live inside of here, including plants.
So outside of these specific spots, the entire Earth should be dead as either an arctic or Mojave-like desert before the Reseed Protocol.

[lean fog]

i mean after reseed like will there still be frozen area's

[bold dove]

Oh wait, I had to reread your message.

Yeah, I think the dev's fucked up in LC's ending.

[lean fog]

i mean there could still be ice area's just wish if was could see outside of planet view

[bold dove]

Unless Antarctica is no longer in the same spot.
Which is....very odd, because if I recall, that's on a plate that rarely shifts. So there'd be in theory no reason why it should've moved that much.
Then it shouldn't had been covered in green.

[lean fog]

maybe reseed will remove element etc and then go from there?

[bold dove]

Go from what?

It already planet the billions of trees

[lean fog]

burn em or convert into nutrients?

[bold dove]

Yeah, I doubt that.

[lean fog]

also looks like there was some white in scene but hard to tell fully

[lean fog]

Gotta wonder but if the non story maps aren't cannon how does that work for the creatures from those maps that are on canon story maps? like pretty sure saw megaraptor on LC

[compact zenith]

Ask Devs

[lean fog]

they prob don't know tbh just "it's cool so it there" 😅

[compact zenith]

Tbh it's useful to aggro only one desmo from a big group by using it's hunt

[hushed ravine]

I’d assume the reseed just spontaneously grows plant life, it’ll eventually snow in the Antarctic again and return to what we’re familiar with, no?

[lean fog]

who knows just find it weird it'd be there and suddenly jungle now if it was in the andes or something could see icing over and once RP kicks in the jungle returns

[mystic quest]

Do you like the Lost Colony DLC? (Lore wise)

[lyric tendon]

no

more in 2/10

darius notes is good... if he wasnt end up as a Vampire LARPer

[main steppe]

For me it’s a 5/10. I like a lot of the ideas presented, but they fall flat in the execution.

A loooooot could be fixed solely by having it be set directly after extinction and lead into genesis

[lyric tendon]

and not to tie in ||supposed to be|| "non-canon" spin off

[fluid breach]

We finally watched the Animated Series and I’m kind of surprised we never ran into some version of Nerva in the game. I know there were Nerva notes and that Nerva was “killed”, but the devs never seem to let that stop them from putting other characters in the game. Did I miss Nerva somewhere in the game?

[mental basin]

Nerva just isn't that important, tbh.

His character arc kinda solidifies that fact. Compared to the scale and scope of the overarching narrative, he was nothing.

He realized this as he was bleeding out in the Hall of History, shortly before being killed by Mei.

I assume the TAS version of Nerva will come to the same conclusion, and end.

[fluid breach]

Fair enough. The first season of TAS made him seem important, hence my question. Like Rockwell could have built him in as a simulated mini boss somewhere

[mental basin]

He's a bit more important in the show than in the game.

The two aren't canon to one another, lol. Not entirely.

[fluid breach]

Right… taken together the whole Ark “canon” seems fairly fluid. The bigger role in TAS just made me wonder why they never featured him in game. Nerva as a boss would make more sense to me than another random mythical creature.

[mental basin]

Why's that?

[lyric tendon]

NGL i like him more as a "boss" than Mei (because of the character's personal goals) but doesnt makes sense regardless

[lean fog]

Personally feel like if they wanted to show the early story stuff with nerva and the significance he had on helena etc coulda seen some ruins of the legion and others to show scope of what went down but might just be me

[compact zenith]

Can fit pretty good on astareos

[lean fog]

Random and prob dumb thought but did the ark network ever clone same person more then once? like maybe using nerva as example ever be on more then one ark at any other time?

[hollow creek]

Santiago has his multiple clone lifes, and Diana was brought back by Helena, but I don't think there's ever a case where someone exists in 2 places at once

Maybe if we assume genesis has all body's already made, the technically there should be doubles

[lean fog]

in santiago's case the ship did clone literally everyone it had in it's data banks and dropped them off so couldn't that mean that nerva and whatnot was also revived and put in drop shuttle onto arat?

tho for all we know he was in one of the shuttles that got obliterated by the debris 😅

[mystic quest]

Is the Astreos Map canon?

[subtle axle]

Let Rockwell die kill him please please please PLEASE LET HIM DIE already PLEASE WILDCARD PLEASE

[lean fog]

we all hope he doesn't come back or if he does be cured of infection but i do got theory on him if curious

[main mural]

its not a story map.

[subtle axle]

As much as I enjoy his character, he should have died on genesis

[main mural]

he did

[subtle axle]

Well yeah but he’s implied to be in ark 2

And I don’t like that he is in lost colony

[lean fog]

the theory is basically what if rockwell was indoctrinated by element like the reapers did to saren in mass effect just they did it so subtly he thought wasn't under control unlike the mindless minions around him and the thing hidden in remains of the ship helena mentions on LC cutscene was the element preparing another control node so that way if rockwell died it's network wasn't scrambled like what happened to the element on earth when the king titan lynchpin died

[main mural]

is he? is that from a lost colony note or something?

[main mural]

we knew he went there since gen1 released lol.

[lean fog]

rockwell was at arat prime before mei yin got there

[subtle axle]

Well yeah but it would have been cooler to see more implications rather then like full speaking roles

I wanted to theorize rather then have it spoon fed

[lean fog]

which kinda weird tho given the boss mentions rockwell warned him about her which odd cause rockwell didn't get to arat prime until 1k years before LC while mei yins thing was well before the events of extinction

[main mural]

they all knew each other from aberration.

[subtle axle]

I feel like Rockwell is being milked because he’s an enjoyable character (at least before they changed his character in every aspect)

[main mural]

we already knew he was there of course he was there lol.

[lean fog]

like i said if rockwell somehow was on arat and cured of the element infection i could understand but if he somehow surives gen 2 only to be a problem gonna be annoyed

[main mural]

*also he is 3 of the 7 canon bosses 😂 *

[main mural]

I imagine if they bring him back for ark 2, he'll just be a clone.

[subtle axle]

Literally

[lean fog]

also i have noticed something about the rockwell thing

[subtle axle]

I said this somewhere on my tumblr but die a good character or live long enough to be milked to dead by wildcard

[main mural]

that was 4 years ago tho. him being in lost colony was known since gen1. doesn't really count 🤷

[lean fog]

helena mentions there's some remains inactive on bowels of gen ship but if you read the info about bobs true tales it mentions him and meeka's journey so guessing the BTT #2 stuff gonna describe them going into the ship to plant the codex and maybe fighting whatever creature is lurking there

[main mural]

he wasn't really milked. he was the ab boss then the main boss in the genesis mission. everything else is just how lore works.

him being on lost colony is because they used the connecting point to genesis, we know he had to pass through. its not milking, its being consistent.

[subtle axle]

I dunno I have a very medium take but I just want his story to stop already, I feel like he is a completely different character from when he was on the island (not in a character development way but in a “they are taking everything back about him” way)

[lean fog]

the timeline and retcon stuff kinda janky tho

like i can understand rockwell being on the gen ship for 1k years since he had to fight a security system that wasn't destroyed but having LC take place after gen 2 and before ark 2? that not so much

[mortal zodiac]

I hope the animated series version of him doesnt get canonized he was such a bastard and i prefer the characterisation that he got corrupted and wasnt just always evil

[main mural]

tbf we didn't know any timeline prior so its not really a retcon 🤷 its just weird lol

[subtle axle]

If the animated series version of him is canon I will actually crash out

[lean fog]

it is what it is 🤷

[mortal zodiac]

Same

[lean fog]

TAS isn't canon at all

hasn't stopped them from using that to recton ark lore tho

[mortal zodiac]

Yeah but they are canonising aspects of it

[subtle axle]

Well they are starting to incorporate it into the main game story

[lean fog]

mainly the whole helena mei yin and diana love deal :/

[subtle axle]

I’m mainly upset about the design change

[lean fog]

also looked and "Bob's True Tales: Tides of Fortune: Continue the journey of Bob and Meeka after the events of Lost Colony, as they seek out the Evercave where ancient secrets have been buried"

[subtle axle]

I wanted old man shivering wet dog Rockwell💔

[lean fog]

so yeah my guess is the ending cutscene we get is them maybe going to plant codex which hope is true

[mortal zodiac]

Also the argy being given to Helena was so cute

[lean fog]

if they wanna give rockwell prime one last send off in a cutscene where it finished off voldemort end style all for it

[subtle axle]

I know 😭😭😭😭 I mourn them every other Thursday

I want girl and her withering old grandpa dynamic back

[mortal zodiac]

But they brought voldy back in cursed child too

[lean fog]

eh never was aware if was canon or just add on fun for live action enertainment

but you know what i mean

the whole shriveled husk thing of maybe rockwell having brains to make a copy or maybe element did and once rockwell was gonna die the element severed the connection and put itself into new body to control and waited

[jolly dew]

I wouldn't be honest if I understood every notes and who was written them...sure for the main principles like Helena, Rockwell, Mei Yin, Nerva and Santiago...but others ? Not so much...even the One who Wait or the H-LNA is quite complicated even if I know the characters

Even the non-canon ones, like from Aquatica or on the are difficult to understand, especially those...dear jane notes ? Like what the heck is that ?

[sick matrix]

Is there a lore reason why armadagos on the map? I didn't even know they added this I just found out like 5 minutes ago and it looks really cool but I was wondering if it's any loer reasons since it's an Extinction

[hollow creek]

Same as the other creatures that are extinction native, dogs survived and adapted

[sick matrix]

neat lol

[mental basin]

No

[mental basin]

That's not the answer, lol

They were genetically engineered by the Terran Federation as war dogs

Hence the Federation Armed Forces tag which is a part of their Armor

They're an armadillo / canine mix

Though, their actual canonicity is debated, since Bob’s Tall Tales has been stated to be non-canon, by Jeremy IIRC

[hollow creek]

really? always assumed it was just to stay on the theme of the sanctuary

[mental basin]

Wym?

[hollow creek]

that the saddle was just flare

[mental basin]

Nah

[hollow creek]

ok

[mental basin]

Also Sanctuary is a URE bastion city

It’s a wonder why Armadoggos are still there, of all places.

[sick matrix]

Oh wow that's the kind of lore that I wanted to hear hell yeah thank you also he also I think followed me or liked one of my comments on Twitter calling somebody dumb 😂😂 much love

[white kayak]

do we become homo deus after extinction ascension? sounds stupid but i wanna confirm

[lyric tendon]

no

we just don't have implants anymore

Helena is the LAST homo-deus because the only machine that makes them is no longer functional

[lean fog]

i mean couldn't the actual stuff be added be canon while the stuff bob telling meeka still be uncanon just to keep here occupied?

i mean people could build nukes augment then with element so could see something like say battlerig existing

That does make me wonder how many survivors actually made it to earth before the disaster at camp omega happened tbh

[solemn linden]

Where is this information from? The only info provided on their origins in their dossier is that someone (presumably some of the Tek Tribe members) told Helena that armadoggos were a common sight before the apocalypse in areas contaminated with element, which would imply that they're just stray dogs that evolved due to element exposure. No mention of genetic engineering or any link to the Terran Federation.

[rain dock]

They are called bobs tall tales. The assumption is that a lot is made up

[mental basin]

Most of it came from the Extra Life

Which wasn't archived 💔

[solemn linden]

Ah, I see

[mental basin]

But yeah, they said they were made by crossing Armadillos with Dogs. They're war mutts.

And they have blue Element in them, they wouldn't have evolved alongside the Element on the surface naturally.

(Plus, the blue element is deliberate, not random growth, like with Velonas & Manas)

[solemn linden]

To be fair, dreadnoughtus also has a more deliberate placement of blue element on its body, so given that they're the only new Extinction species, it may just be that Wildcard had decided to depict blue element a little differently on new creatures compared to their old ones

[solemn linden]

I guess this means that them being spotted around element contaminated areas is probably because those areas were contaminated as a result of warfare

[mental basin]

Yes!

War dogs.

[mental basin]

This IS true. Likely an artstyle discrepancy. Now that you mentioned it, I'm pissed off, lol

[solemn linden]

The original concept for dreadnoughtus in the creature vote had it absolutely coated in blue element to fit with Extinction's creature designs, but then when it got added it was toned down to the point the element on it is completely concealed most of the time by those weird opening scales it has. I guess Wildcard wanted to keep the dreadnoughtus a little closer to its real world equivalent rather than going too hard on the sci-fi, but it is a little disappointing that it doesn't aesthetically match the other Extinction creatures

[lean fog]

even if the reseed pulse didn't purge the velo/mana/owl/dread's feel like anything not underground or inside the 2 domes woulda been wiped out by the shockwave of the ark landing

[white kayak]

guys is it just me or does genesis onwards feel forced?
i finished extinction a bit ago and it feels like the story later on is forced
idk said story but it feels like extinction shouldve ended it

[lean fog]

no cause it's both extension and also only part of the story

[main steppe]

Also the events of Genesis are set up throughout extinction

[granite stump]

To add on they also explain the things prior in lore which isn’t too convoluted- Atleast until we get to lost colony which is a literal mess of inconsistencies

[mystic quest]

Which inconsistencies do you mean?

[granite stump]

There’s the fact Mei went to arat prime alone when Bob was there and could of helped, the fact that there’s also the reseed affecting Antarctica to turn it into a jungle/forest when it’s a frozen hellscape several things actually in general

Too many honestly that slip my mind rn due to me not really caring for the story when I realized it was super rough around the edges. The only one that seemed to have an okayish consistency was the lost king and that’s putting it mildly

There’s also Rockwell too

[mystic quest]

Well he was there before he went to the Genesis Ship. And how should Mei known that Bob was there? Did they know eachother?

[granite stump]

Bob LITERALLY was with them throughout the journey to earth…

In ASA’s story Bob was actually there

[mystic quest]

Who is even bob? And why is he there? Before he wasnt there.

[granite stump]

He instead just went into cryosleep at homodeus Helena’s request while Mei went to arat prime (Even tho she shouldn’t have known what the codex was at that point in time unless Helena deus told her which still sparks the issue that Helena didn’t fricken warn her to bring any help!)

[granite stump]

Wha- Okay to clear things up, Bob was a joke character for the animated series which became an actual character in the game due to the memes of beach bobs. Bob was there the whole time in ASA’s retelling and he played a hand in a lot of the situations such as the Nerva stuff, Scorched earth and the aberrant Ark leading up to extinction where the last we see of him is him being ALONE and being told by Helena deus to enter into a 1000 year cryo sleep

[mystic quest]

So he is a real charakter like Helena or Mei?

[granite stump]

Yes

He is a real character in lore. He isn’t us, he isn’t a character for Ark 2 alone, he was there… the whole time

In Ascended, in base evolved he didn’t exist

If I recall Bob was a soldier during the events of a specific war? I forget which one but he’s quite the hardened guy at heart even though he’s a big goof ball

[main steppe]

I think in ASA he fought in one of the world wars

[lean fog]

ww2

he was one of the unlucky soldiers who never made it to shore during d-day

[lean fog]

alot of that was tall eales tho to basically amuse meeka tho so keep in mind

find it weird he went into 1k year cryosleep when that would mean he woulda woke back up during extinction time area which makes me wonder what he did to end up on the ship and the world of arat somehow

also if i remember right the dear jane notes were canon just them being on island was non canon about how bob was in background trying to avoid the events of helena and co on the island story

[granite stump]

While yes a lot of it was a tale that likely didn’t entirely happen one to one, that doesn’t change the fact Bob was in fact there

And wildcard is making it clear that Bob was in fact there and he was always there with Helena and all them during each maps events.

[lean fog]

he was prob still in background for alot of it so my guess is he was on their side during the war with nerva's legion etc met up to escape aberration and whatnot and events on earth

what i wanna know is if she told him to go into statis for 1k years he'd take up around time ext takes place which seems odd like did she send him to the colony ship and mei yin to arat prime so hopefully at least one of them could get a codex

[granite stump]

Which doesn’t really add up to the original lore since Mei and Diana were the last ones left on extinction but Bob was also alive there

[jolly dew]

I MIGHT be on copium but...honestly, the lost king is a antagonist, not a villain...I mean, even though he eat people and reduce his "people" into mindless beings but he seems to truly "care" for his people, just wanting to live in their way far from humanity....SURE SURE he was a obstacle for the codex when he could just give it to us and then let have his stuff back but...yeah he is more of a antagonist rather than a pure evil villain

i might BE UNDER COPIUM, maybe I didn't see if he did something horrible "horrible" or just trying to find good in evil, but pls tell me about this

[north bear]

Is there a single good character in ark

Everyone is either serial killers or a mass murderer

[jolly dew]

I mean by that that he doesn't do that for pleasure or for the love of the game or completely mindless, they THINK they do the right thing, like Nerva, sure he murder people but all he did was to 'pacify" all tribes into one, (But yeah he is kinda extremist with just "ONLY ROMAN EMPIRE remains"), and again Lost King was feeled abandoned behind when he was forced him and the other to stay on a wasteland, so he adapt and creatre his own civilization and doesnt like intruders who try to destroy his people (even if they are mindless puppets)

THAT DOESNT EXCUSE their atrocities, far from it, but that's explain why they needed to do it, I mean, look at our humanity, people seems to forget that for us to exist, we did atrocities, doesn't excuse it, but we did it (and hope we have to never do it again)

(Yes I might explain it poorly, i'm not a expert to explain clearly, especially when english is not my first language)

Understand and approve is two different things

[north bear]

I meant more like no one is really good in ark

[jolly dew]

Oh i see...

[north bear]

Like Santiago is a mass murderer but he did save the world

[jolly dew]

But...well...I see Santiago because he made weapon without think of the consequences and BAM the Earth is doomed but not for Helena or Mei Yin

[north bear]

Everyone is gray

[north bear]

Mei yin killed a lot of people

[jolly dew]

Like innocent people or like someone who wanted her death ?

[north bear]

And Helena created life that had to die again and again

[jolly dew]

I kinda see, but I would rather say that she neglected Rockwell when she see that his friend is slowly turning insane

[north bear]

I am talking about us

[jolly dew]

(I know)

[north bear]

Both

War and Nerva

[jolly dew]

I Mean, self-defence i'm not quite sure it's EVIL but she killed innocents during her former life ? I didn't see that while reading her notes 🤔

[north bear]

War kills innocent people

[jolly dew]

I get what you mean

(But the notes could have least mention it)

(that's would have make her more gray)

(Like "I remember the eyes of a innocent infant before he encounter my blade" kind of sentence or "I lost the count of people crossing my blade, which one where soldiers and which one were innocent?")

But i'm ain't in Wildcard Studio so idk what they were planned to do with the story

[north bear]

Well compared to Rockwell they seem way less evil(yes I know Rockwell is gray)

[jolly dew]

Antagonist, but villain ? Complicated to say so yeah he is kinda grey, a dark grey, but still grey

[north bear]

The end of Gen 2 is the best exemple of how he is darkgray

[north bear]

Well there is one character that is evil

The king titan

[jolly dew]

I was gonna say the cultist dude but yeah

[north bear]

Who?

[jolly dew]

Wait let me find it again

The dude with two engrammic matrixes, what is his name again

But like not the nice engrammic matrix part, the other one who is a cultist

Gabriel ?

[north bear]

I think

[jolly dew]

Yeah i think it's him

[north bear]

He is a greedy guy

[north bear]

Technically corruption is not evil

[jolly dew]

true

[north bear]

It is following it basic instinct

[jolly dew]

I don't think praying a false god and sacrifie people are basic instinct

[north bear]

True

Also why is the forest titan not imortal in game

[jolly dew]

I recall titans except the King, are multiples so would see necessary to make a immortal one plus immortality seems to not be real in ARK (or maybe a hyperbole)

I don't recall people saying he is immortal (in lore)

[north bear]

The one who wait extinction note 20

[jolly dew]

(Let me see that, wait a second)

[north bear]

<<It is the eldest of the trio, having started from a tiny weed, but grows ever taller as it assimilates the groves of its verdant realm. Even if its body is chopped to bits, it will eventually regrow. So long as there is the forest, there will always be a lord.>>

[jolly dew]

Then I suppose that he "died" but can always come back until the King is dead, like a seed that replant itself, that's why you can refight him over and over

[north bear]

But why can’t we keep him if he died tame

[jolly dew]

but again, here, She say like the titans (not the king) are singular entities and on the other ways, people are fighted a army of those ? like, are they a single entities each or just one over tons of them ?

[north bear]

Titan are Alive and conscious but they all are part of the hive mind

That is why you can tame him

[jolly dew]

Someone told me a answer and he says that he is a creature purely made of element, they are part of the hivemind and cutting those nodes are just cutting the link toward the hivemind but also his life support, like removing the blood pack from someone depending of it

[north bear]

By destroying the module you destroy the hive mind control

[north bear]

Pretty much

[north bear]

There a ton that are controlled by one mind

[jolly dew]

So why she say it like they were singular entity ?

[north bear]

Element is a single entity

That take control of other and create titans

And give them basic feeling like rage

[jolly dew]

No I mean, like on the one who wait note 20: First among his lieutenants is the titan wreathed in green, the Lord of the Forest. Ever growing, ever consuming, the forest is both its kingdom and its body. Bones of wood sprout flesh of moss and leaves, and fingers made of vines reach out for the throats of its enemies.

It is the eldest of the trio, having started from a tiny weed, but grows ever taller as it assimilates the groves of its verdant realm. Even if its body is chopped to bits, it will eventually regrow. So long as there is the forest, there will always be a lord.

She say trio like they were only 1 singular forest titan, ice titan and desert titan

[north bear]

There is only one they create them again and again and again

[jolly dew]

I know Homo Deus dementia is crazy but at that point X)

[north bear]

The lore and the game is different

[jolly dew]

I just think that's Homo Deus dementia thing that happen, I mean, we all know that Homo Deus start to loose their former selves slowly after time before fading (Only Helena was able to resist because she have DETERMINATION lol)

[north bear]

Theorethically wouldn’t the element purge kill every homodeus on earth

[jolly dew]

Idk, I mean Helena still survive since the end of Genesis part 2 so

maybe other but not her

[north bear]

She was in the ai of gen 1 and 2

[jolly dew]

From what I can tell, HLN-A and Helena are just different persons, maybe same memories but not the same individuals, like a double personality that became his own person...but less insane stuff

She even say it at the end of Genesis part 2

[lean fog]

hln-a basically an ai that has similiar personality of helena but is her own person

[rain dock]

Hlna is Helena but gpt4ified

[lean fog]

more like cortanafied

[ornate hull]

I dont believe there is an actual lore explonation but do you guys think the ruined buildings were made from aberration crashing or attacks from the zombies

revenant

[compact zenith]

By the kind of ruins, just abandoned, not exactly destroyed

[lean fog]

likely just attacked

the dude does say "they come back even now" or something so assume most of ruins were just his vassal towns attacked

[compact zenith]

"they come back even now" you saying about outposts, you can see them having some corruption. Ruins around map has none of it, exept some in aberration zones

[lean fog]

and? going to several of thoses ruins hear him complain that our actions of exinction cause those places to become ruins once the aberration ark landed

[magic roost]

Are Reaper queens actually weak to light or is it just a gameplay mechanic

I am more inclined to belive it's a gameplay thing given the Rock drake is stated to be one of the few creatures that rival the Reapers

[hollow creek]

They are weak to charge light

[jolly dew]

But what difference between light and charge light ?

[hollow creek]

Rockwell and element BS

[jolly dew]

Like if there is any dif? Because crystals produce lights, the summoner produce lights and they are fine

[hollow creek]

I don't remember the first Rockwell notes from ab too well

Charge light is just from z plants and light pets

And charge lantern

And charge light can be used as electricity

[lean fog]

my guess is the radiation or something from the charge light disrupts elment or so of reapers and nameless or something

or maybe since it can be electrical it disrupts the shielding or so of some of em

[magic roost]

Since the Rock drake is stated to be the reapers only natural enemy(Wich by definition means an animal who can attack and kill another animal) what exactly would that mean?

Helena defined knew about Reaper kings as she not only refers to reapers in plural but also makes it an active distinction while talking about in the Dossier

So there maybe a argument to be made on what exactly did Helena mean by "Natural Enemies"

[bold dove]

As natural as hyenas being the bane of a lions existance.

Reapers are an apex.
Apex's still need "something" to keep them in line, so they don't overpopulate.

[past path]

I love just randomly checking this channel because someone is always explaining something which great

[compact zenith]

Btw, charge light giving same effect to the malwyn, but no armor decrease

[storm aurora]

Question

So in the Ark universe is Earth named Arata Prime or is it Earth

[hollow creek]

Earth

Arat prime is just a place on Earth

[main steppe]

Arat is the planet the colony ship lands crashes on

[lean fog]

like they said arat prime is where the genesis ship launched from while arat is new planet

[storm aurora]

So it’s not called earth then

Or is Arat prime just a location on earth

[crisp verge]

To be fair, if I reached a new planet, I wouldn't be calling it Earth 2: Electric boogaloo

[storm aurora]

Obviously

But then earth is arat prime and arat is new earth basically

[lean fog]

just location on earth

[storm aurora]

Alright

[lean fog]

surprised they didn't go with the most basic of name systems and just call it new arat tbh

[storm aurora]

lol fair

[lean fog]

you got new england new this new that and whatnot but then again we got places in ohio etc just outright called london and same in other countries

[storm aurora]

So then Humanity is on both planets then

And didn’t Rockwell use the superliminal link?

Wasn’t it to earth?

[lean fog]

rockwell was on earth to ship not reverse

[storm aurora]

Yeah but didn’t he have a whole Santiago situation where he found a way after Gen2 to put himself back into a version of Rockwell with a mixed consciousness?

[bold dove]

That's what we go through at the end of LC

[storm aurora]

Referencing the Santiago situation where his personality was mixed with a prospector after his death to be brought back for the arks engineering

[bold dove]

That was before Gen2

LC notes are set right after Extinction, and before the events of Genesis.
The map itself is set after the events of Gen2.

[storm aurora]

So is LC Post or Pre Genisis?

[bold dove]

Yes

Notes are pre-Genesis.
In-game events are post-Genesis.

[storm aurora]

Oh alright

I hope they don’t destroy tech completely in ark2

[bold dove]

Original notes of The Island - Extinction --> Us playing through The Island - Extinction --> Lost Colony notes --Genesis 1 and 2 --> Lost Colony's expansion --> I assume Legacy of Santiago --> ARK-2.

[storm aurora]

Tech holds such a large part of ark and to eliminate it entirely would kind’ve delete the curiosity of what you might find

[bold dove]

Tek* but I agree. I hate this new future focus of "ARK but it's only primitive"
ARK has always been about progression, and Tek acted as the natural endgame to ARK-1.
I do agree it should 100% be rebalanced from the ground up, and maybe stay as QoL enhancements only.

[storm aurora]

Where tek came from has never really been explained

An Astroid but yet from where

And when

[bold dove]

Tek and Element are technically different.

Tek is the "technology" that comes from using Element. The sci-fi tools.
Element is the alien corruptive substance.

[storm aurora]

Tek is formed from refined element?

But yeah element I’d like to see it return

[bold dove]

Calling every trace of lithium a battery.

[storm aurora]

[lean fog]

depends on how primitive they go

prim+ plenty liked but for most part was kinda not really wel recieved so going like pure that for ark 2 feels oof tbh

[hallow monolith]

cuando boss @devout tiger

[north bear]

Asa?ase?

Asa doce

Ase dieciseis

[mystic quest]

Were the ARKs or the Genesis Ship the better Programm? And which one do you think is cooler?

[lean fog]

you mean in terms of how they got results?

[mystic quest]

Yes

[lean fog]

problem with arks is well you could die to something completely random instantly as soon as you spawn in first(and before us only) time on ark and whelp no more chances for you

while the ship gave you all the training and experience of the survivial in simuluation but that would only let you handle same stuff and if someone got into the system like rockwell then you're a sitting duck

[lean fog]

personally i have to give it a draw

the arks were meant for you to survive and grow stronger fighting suped up dinosaurs etc with the expectation element would die down somewhat enough for reseed to mop up and any strange creatures left people would be prepared for while the ship was to train people in various environments en route to finding a new world failing to account for fact while world habitable might still have strange and bizarra flora and fauna like say pandora from avatar so just the volcano ocean and bog can only cover so much while lunar space seems odd given most people not going out into space on the new planet tho could argue it was meant to help them accilimate to strange stuff like astrocetus

Both had a expected way of things happening that likely in the end wouldn't have worked out if you went by as how they planned it setup as people of camp omega etc showed tho genesis ship's outcome on planet of arat since am not sure if other survivors were in their own simulationf or if rockwell got to theirs or not but we're 2+ years out on that so yeah

[mystic quest]

Yeah thats true! But i think its a bit sad that the Genesis has not as much lore.

But couldnt the ARK Just Clone more Humans? Why should the ARK concern itself trying to let the people survive?

[obsidian jasper]

if you replace someone weak with another weak person no progress is made the arks were developed to create strong survivors, the surviving part is the whole point.

[lean fog]

it did it just did it at random and throw shit at the wall and hope it sticks

[lean fog]

if you had to ask me and if we did an alternate history where both progress worked as is and whatnot i'd still say it's a draw

personally i dunno if the arks are still running post extinction and if they are how do they manage dinos and survivors etc cause you know those people could respawn like us and many would likely be under the assumption they could just die and respawn again

[compact zenith]

pretty sure arks just turned off after cleaning earth

[lean fog]

you'd think they'd do something so people don't just fuck up and let element retake everything or mess with the arks and cause something bad to happen and then suddenly got another aberration issue with difference of alot of it wouldn't burn up in atmo

[shrewd citrus]

are there any potcast/vidos of are lore and if there is can you tell me were i can find them and in what order if there is one

[hollow creek]

search needy the noddle on youtube

[sand hornet]

he doesnt know what i know..

[lean fog]

do you know what you know? cause with all changes to ark lore and tsa retcons don't think even devs fully know let alone us 😅

[mystic quest]

Helena said to the child that to respawn Diana (?) they have to go to the Core of the Ship, but there will probably be Rockwell. So is the Main enemy in ARK 2 again Rockwell?
And do you think earth will Play a role in the Story of ARK 2?
Sorry for my Bad Englisch, i hope you all understand what i mean.

[lean fog]

unknown tbh but maybe we'll find out in legacy of santiago

[mystic quest]

Legacy of Santiago?

[lean fog]

my theory is rockwell was basically indroctinated by element kinda like reapers did for saren in the whole "don't enthrall just make them think their thoughts are their own" like in mass effect and that whatever sealed in the ship core was something the elememt planned for incase rockwell died because after KT died he was the new lynchpin and if he died in hivemind gonna be disrupted and ruined so that's why rockwell was normal before death in gen 2

[lean fog]

supposedly the cap off or so of stuff iirc

but yeah that's my theory and that the element is now dormant and is basically just trying to slowly recover without anyone noticing

[mystic quest]

Do the proto ARKs function Like regular ARKs? So does The obelisks can teraform the protoark and Clone Dinos? And do you think the animals in the protoark survived the landing of the ARKs?

[lean fog]

i'd assume they were tested to that maybe but for most part think the creatures there just breed normally

[lean fog]

also only ones in desert and snow dome

anything out in sanctuary just got obliterated by the shockwave

[mental flicker]

paul walker finna be back from he dead before Santiago gets his own game...

[mental basin]

Probably, but certainly not to the level the ARKs can

We really dunno, though

And yeah, the Proto-ARKs can clone Creatures

[lean fog]

what's your thoughts on what happened to all the arks after etc? you think they shutdown or would they just focus on managing their area's

[mental basin]

Purged Element, then either purged their own supply or went into stasis

It's a little strange

[lean fog]

i'd lean more to the statis thing tbh

like they went into low power mode and mainly just monitor ground for element levels

my concern is what happened to the overseers cause they were slowly becoming rampant or so and slight errors slowly grew so wonder if they shutdown or went into stasis too and error stuff was smoothed out

[mental basin]

Element can't exist out of Arat Prime post-Reseed, but the Reseed functions via Tek, so it's likely that most of the ARKs 'waited out' the shutdown of AP's Great Dome, so that eventually, that part of the South Pole could be purged.

After which, all the Element in the ARKs was also self-purged.

[mental basin]

The Overseers likely didn't stay past the start of the Reseed Protocol

They aren't the ones purging Element, the ARKs are

[lean fog]

i know but i figure that once purge happened they're purpose done and only thing tethering them to arks finished so they fade away

[mental basin]

And the ARKs run off of the System for that, which yes, the Overseers are connected to, but they are irrelevant to the Reseed entirely

[mental basin]

Yah, it's very likely that with their sole purpose complete, they all just faded away into the 5th dimension

[lean fog]

if the arks purified the element maybe they stored it in their tanks etc

tho what i wanna know is what's the plan to make sure people who don't know what cause all this to happen start messing with the arks that are in stasis etc

like even if arks in low power mode how do they ensure someone doesn't mess with them? is there some program thing that activates and just sicks swarm of dinos on whoever causing issue?

[mental basin]

Element is contained all across the ARK

The Caves have Element

The megastructures have Element

So too do the Obelisks

The Element Heart is also supposed to have blue liquid Element beneath it, but ASA accidentally made it water

[mental basin]

Mess with them how, exactly

[lean fog]

like hacking or trying to get into the area's of breeding or some other area

wonder if the arks would detect people building up in them and default to the "no settling down here begin the purge and forcing back to tribal lifestyle" tho that just random thought and would be interesting

[mental basin]

That's a good question

They prolly can't. I imagine that none of the teleportation Tek on Earth works past the point of the RSP

[lean fog]

i can see them working just only within their area of control

[mental basin]

I doubt it, tbh. There's no reason for the ARK's internals to keep functioning.

[lean fog]

maybe but in the end we only know they purified the element and that they lowered their domes

like imagine this tho

you just woke up on a island ark your last memory was simple student or something and just as you're getting used to this strange world all of a sudden the reseed happens and you find out what all going on and thus even more confused

[lean fog]

btw since there other survivors on arks after we trigger RSP what are the chances that some of them mighta got used to respawn thing like us and did something stupid only to find out no more respawns?

[mental basin]

ExtraORDINARILY high.

Thousands probably died while the ARKs were coming down alone, lol. It's not like the ARK's Creatures stopped being genetically modified kill kill murder scale death monsters.

And some ARKs crashed, as well.

[lean fog]

talking lore for games is so much fun

[twin hornet]

I thin they should fix mobile ark first

[mental basin]

??

[lean fog]

will say after finishing LC i expected more damage and debris etc from the ab arks crashing tbh but then again arks are pretty durable if it takes augmented nuke do cripple them tho makes me wonder how druable the obelisks are and if what all kinda hits they could shrug off

[glass sedge]

c

[shadow wagon]

What's the difference between game Rockwell and show Rockwell? They seemed pretty similar to me. Both egotistical jerks.

Everyone seems to hate the show one for being different, but they seem about the same to me.

[hollow creek]

presentation

in note u see rockwell true color be revealed over time

AMS just hits u with a bat on the face in the first scene

[light slate]

Gotta say, I’m disappointed with how the wreckage looked on LC. Doesn’t look like a crashed Ark at all

[lean fog]

techncially it's not even the ark

can look southwest and see the ark

i just wish there was more stuff that wasn't also full of the liquid element etc

[light slate]

Oh for real??? I haven’t noticed this, thank you for pointing it out

I’ma go on an alt account go GCM and check this out

[light slate]

Aren’t the hot springs and twilight forests the remnants of the fertile zone and biolum zone?

[lean fog]

what i wante was more parts of ark could use as base and also more ruins or so that weren't as wrecked as the towns are which feel mainly on right size

[lean fog]

nah just geothermal spots for the hot springs

[light slate]

Ohhh that’s right

[lean fog]

they use geothermal stuff along with the red element to maintain barrier

[light slate]

Gotcha gotcha thanks for the correction

[lean fog]

keep in mind the barrier that traps us isn't the edge of arat prime those big things on edges outside our world barrier where the barrier keeping reseed from purging the element

[light slate]

The long ass bridges?

[light slate]

Are you talking about the huge ring-shaped wreckage that you can see from the west of the map?

[lean fog]

yeah that;s the actual ark

and yeah those super massive bridges with the terminals way in distance are what making barrier

[mellow granite]

So the time has come for our RP server to complete the Island. We have collected all the notes and are ready for the next chapter. As the server admin here is my question. ||It seems from my research into the notes and story of Scorched Earth that they had to leave their dinos behind (Athena) and made mentions that they had lost certain skills (bashing bugs with rocks and ability with rifles) but never once mentioned that they were "weaker" specifically. So my guess is that once we move from one ARK to the next they Mind Wipe us but our character remains to relearn new skills. Otherwise our implants wouldn't retain our previous accomplishments. Does this seem to mesh with the lore at current. I hear some people just start new character but that doesn't make a lot of sense. If Helen created a new character she wouldn't even remember the Island.|| Thanks fellow lore buffs.

[lean fog]

personally i'd treat it as all dinos cept maybe one get brought with and rest get cryoed and don't reset because the lore of ark stuff is you're suypposed to get stronger and slowly get tough enough to eventually retake the earth from the element

[mellow granite]

I also found it interesting that for the Aberration notes ||they specifically mention coming through with their gear in tact so definitely not new characters there either.||

[lean fog]

you could bring good enough armor and weapons to establish a footbold but not enough could just rush to endgame

[glad crow]

It seems to me that they bring just what is on their person.

Helena's lack of equipment can be explained because she was imprisoned prior to this and likely had her tools taken.

[lean fog]

that's what i meant tbh, bring just enough to establish small base like say some basic armor and a different weapon for each person and treat it like you got forced there and maybe the rest got lost mid transfer or something

so much rp potential 😅

[lean fog]

Saw that LC issue video and so much issues all over and worried Gen 1/2 are gonna follow the way LC took

[hollow creek]

I have no clue what's their plan for BTT2 story part

[fresh gale]

is steam ark working?

[lean fog]

from what i can guess and this is really big guess but the description mentions bob and meeka doing stuff and 2nd btt thing mentions finale to their adventure so thinking maybe the whole there's still a rockwell body or some other thing in hibernation will be handled in those notes or something and by time of ark 2 he either alive and cured or dead dead finally

[main steppe]

If they bring back Rockwell

I hope he has amnesia, or something similar to LC’s opening, where it’s the previous Rockwell as this voice in the new Rockwell’s head

[lean fog]

no if he comes back let him stay a person and realize all the horror he inflicted and become a reliable ally warning people of doing down the wrong path

[main steppe]

That would also work

[lean blade]

Ultimate realization after the last fight would be cool, like u defeat him and he can finally see clearly again but because of his choices he dies to edmundium sickness, but the actual evil that took over his mind starts talking in your head or something

Could have added abilities to skill tree etc.

[fossil yacht]

yo

I found 10 bobs notes on ext it says I need 11 and 12 but no info on web about them all vids contains only 10 notes

[fluid breach]

I think you have to beat King Titan

[jolly dew]

Big question about the engrammic matrix thing: does this thing act as a soul ? Or just like a program and so the countless deaths that, for example, Rockwell, just make another individual and the original died ?

Because of the Gabriel situation and the fact that there were two Santiago at the same time

[lean fog]

we don't know tbh could be the dead person brought back technically or could just be just a clone with memories but yeah kinda iffy

[jolly dew]

So two possibilities: the original rockwell is just another person compared to the one Helena encounter or when we fight it or it's really one character with one soul that can survive even in death....kinda messing I understand that

That's might be something to ask Wildcard

Another question that I didn't understand, even if I read Lost King note, what are Thralls actually? How they function in-lore ? Mindless flesh puppet or they are "normal" citizen but just connected to the Lost king (and us technically) and forced to do his bidding if he want to do something ?

(does they are the citizens or any "mindless" beings that served as food, i'm confused about this)

[lean fog]

they're people

straight up people cloned and infected with the red element etc cause LK and co realized people took to the red element very well compared to animals

[lean fog]

no they're not mindless which shows whoe LK isn't really just guy looking after his own since i believe it's clear they could literally clone bodies etc without any memories etc and whatnot but nope they get free well and are aware what's gonna happen to em

[jolly dew]

Understood but...those are the citizens of the Lost King kingdom (and so that's would be weird for us to be able to "tame" them) or are they the blood supply for the real citizens ?

[lean fog]

uh they're probably both

[jolly dew]

🤔 complicate, this case is

[lean fog]

not really

he basically has slave citizens that he and prob some minions feeds on

[jolly dew]

But (it's might be copium) but he seems to care about his slave people thing

like when he died, he immediately alert Mei Yin (who was the queen at that time) and was like "My queen, protect the Lost at all cost, you are the leader now" thing

[lean fog]

because he's their ruler and he likes being sole ruler of the area

he cares for them as much as most tyrants to up until someone gives him criticism then straight to dinner table for them

trust me he's not a misunderstood soul, the dude knows what he's doing and would prob do it again if he could

[jolly dew]

Never opposite that, but I think the Ark world is very gray, more or less darker or lighter, not fully black or white

[lean fog]

maybe for some survivors but darius crossed that threshold and when his fellows disagreed they rose agains thim and bam civil war

[jolly dew]

Well...if you were abandoned on your desolated homeworld without a way out, you would try things to....survive, even if you have to do horrible things....Our gouvernment/society was build with blood, innocent or guilty, it's still blood

[lean fog]

the thing is they basically went right to the fucked up shit and basically they gave up their humanity and clung to power

[bold dove]

Just going to ignore the throwaway sentence in one of his notes, that states that his former friends are rebelling against him after he started doing the whole vampire stuff.
If multiple friends are telling you that you're an evil fucker, and start their own rebellions against you. I think it's time to self reflect.

[lyric tendon]

But he double down on that thus he became a dracula larper and turned everything into castlevania

[fossil yacht]

am good am good 10 is enough to get +5lvls

I guess the rest is when u want to collect all notes types

[grim lark]

Who knows!? We live in a pesher, an electric ball flew in and began to destroy everything what it is? they shot at him, he flew away if we had not been online, then everything would have disappeared.

[main steppe]

This sounds dumb, but that kinda makes me like him more

“Well, if I’m going to be evil, might as well go for the aesthetic!”

[tame marsh]

wait, so are we, "the one who tries again", also the genesis survivor?

[lean fog]

who knows at this point

it was intentionally vague in ase but at this point looks like we get revived after ext do LC and by that point the genesis ship stuff has alread happened

personsally not fan of as we do something in genesis ship we get a flash forward of what they're up to tbh but at least hopefully that all that happens with the thing slumbering in the remains of the colony ship

[tame marsh]

so does the Genesis ship not have a matrix?

cause if it does, why did we need to go get Arat Prime's. Doesn't Helena tell us to go get it while she is on Arat? that would mean the Genesis ship already crashed right? So how would LC be a bridge from us being on Earth to going to the ship if the ship was already blown up and grounded? does that mean Genesis and Ark survivors are different people?

[lean fog]

you gotta remember rockwell seized the ship and screwed up alot of systems and it also kinda exploded

also not all of the ship was destroyed

[tame marsh]

but essentially the ship's matrix was lost

[lean fog]

basically

also if you watch gen 2 ending the rockwell ring and most of ship is destroyed but the eden ring is entering orbit of arat so maybe we can beam to that

ngl i really wish we could find a away for our survivor as one who tries again to also be genesis survivor but given LC happens after gen 2 unless our uploading using super luminal link sends us back im time not happening

[tame marsh]

but when we were sent to get Arat Prime's codex, did the ship already crash?

[strong heart]

LC happens before it.
Otherwise , there wouldn’t be a ship to return to.

It is just a plot hole due to different writers .

[lean fog]

uh no

one of the helena and meeka cutscenes shows the debris of colony ship entering atmo and burning up

[lean fog]

also like i said the eden ring is still intact for most part since it in stable(assume so) orbit when it respawned everyone it could and jettisoned them down onto arat

[bold dove]

Nah, a good 'just evil' antagonist is always nice.

I miss comically evil for the sake of just being an ass type of antagonists.

[lean fog]

maybe darius had good intentions with his fellows survivers at start but once you go down the whole "imma clone and eat people" kinda clear is a bad person

[bold dove]

Oh he 100% did. As shown in the notes.
But either due to mental corruption, or literal Corruption via red Element. He just became objectively evil after forming his kingdom, and his civil wars.

[lean fog]

dude just wanted to be like palpatine i guess

[lean fog]

you wanna know how i see it? i see it being like the symbiotes from marvel

like maybe the red element was corrupting and had stuff going but it could be him as source of the hive control

like we know red element and purple hate each other for most part

so maybe it's like symbiotes from marvel where they're similiar being but different personality's and desires along with fighting for control to see which element best element

[strong heart]

Nope. The fact genesis is confirmed , and Rockwell being the antagonist on the ship says otherwise as shown in the explorer notes from lc .

[lean fog]

ah but you're forgetting the true tales descrptions

aw can't share it :/

[lean fog]

also keep in mind rockwell got to arat just after his ark crashed

LC takes place 1k years after reseed protocol

[lean fog]

but yeah reading the desriptions of future dlc makes me feel like as we do dlc themselves we get snippets of bob and meeka making their way to the core of ship remains to plant the codex and encountering that slumbering rockwell copy or something helena mentioned

[main steppe]

I hope when they find Rockwell he’s sleeping on a bed, with one of those nightcaps and an eye mask on, making exaggerated snoring noises.

[timber mural]

I always thought the codex was needed for the ship to bring people to the new world they were expecting to find. The ship crashes after LC and with it the codex is again lost on the new world. The cutscenes you’re seeing with Meeka and Helena are essentially going to be the story line of Ark 2. Atleast that’s how I understood it. Everything I’ve read is LC is a bridge between Extinction and Genesis.

[lean fog]

The ship basically either resurrected everyone who was not resurrected yet or woke them from statis and their own simulations or something since if you watch inititial gen 2 cutscene you see your character extiting a stasis pod which others were prob in

also nope LC a bridge between ark and ark 2 😓

[tame marsh]

Unfortunately

[lean fog]

feel like if they wanted to make it so we're talking to helena in future while we're before gen 1 etc in LC timewise woulda been interesting but nope rip

[turbid pewter]

Hi

[umbral field]

Did anyone else notice how weird Helena was acting in the LC boss fight? "Rockwell left us a weapon" "It's too bad Rockwell left early or he could have helped us here" and calling it Edmundium herself, instead of Element?

I'd wonder if there was something to it but given the writing quality...

[mental basin]

Helena misses Rockwell. Nothing wrong with the writing.

She has always remembered him as the friend she had on The Island, and not the monster he was on Aberration.

[umbral field]

For sure but it sounded more like she was talking him up, it was weird. The Edmundium thing moreso. I'm sure it was just... another "arat prime was the ark launch site" screwup though

[mental basin]

Also, the terms 'Element' and 'Edmundium' are used interchangably in Lost Colony, because up until that point, Element hadn't actually been formally named, so to speak. The Lost King says it kinda mockingly, and Helena just calls it Edmundium because, again, it wasn't ever really given a formal name.

So no, it wasn't a screwup there, either.

[umbral field]

She always called it element before

[mental basin]

She also had no personality.

Losing your sense of self is a huge part of being a Homo Deus, which is why she was so absurdly formal before Lost Colony, as after the events of Extinction, she had regained her sense of self.

I'm all for bashing Lost Colony for how much of a stinker ti was, but there's no use in looking for issues in places they really don't exist, lol

[umbral field]

I meant more it's a shame the writing is not great because otherwise it'd look like a potentially cool plot point. a secret. a mystery. (it is not)

[lean fog]

i mean they could call it Corruptium and it'd still be un major point

[tame marsh]

Edmundium is so much better

If only Rockwell bothered to clear up with Helena what she was doing with Mei-yin at the obelisks. They could have still be best friends if he did cause she didn’t know he hated her at all

[safe light]

but isn’t element what caused the destruction of earth how come it hasn’t caused the destruction of any other arks other than aberration?

[true crown]

Yo

[hollow creek]

wild element (purple) = bad
refined element (blue) = good

also it wasn't element that destroyed AB, it was the survivors

[safe light]

yea i get that but the description of regular ele says that it’s what caused the destruction of Earth and that’s why earth is all bogus

[hollow creek]

it was element polution as a result of the element wars

[safe light]

oh that makes sense actually

what about blood element from lost is that just exclusive to them and is lost an ark ? because i heard it banished those ways of the arks

[lean fog]

think of that like element removed from normal puple elements hivemind and got it's own thing going on

[bold dove]

That's...not how Element works.

All Element is just bad.
Liquid/raw Element is just the shit that will manipulate you into slaughtering your friends.
While refined Element is the stuff that cause pollution and growths for new raw Element to grow.

Element 'wants' to spread. So even refined Element is considered "evil" as it's actively spreading more raw Element to Corrupt the world with.

We see flakes coming off of the Element veins on Extinction. Which, if those are to be assumed to be the same thing as the spores Tek generators produces. Can mean that even without direct human influence, that it can spread on it's own. It's just likely slower without helping hands. (humans.)

[mental basin]

What's the question?

[night quartz]

Bro

[true crown]

Yo

Wsp

[night quartz]

U r based

[bold dove]

Think they're asking "if Element destroyed the Earth. Why hasn't it caused other ARK's outside of Aberration to become malfunctioning"

Which, Element itself didn't cause Aberration to explode.

[compact zenith]

Yea, Tek tribe did

[lean fog]

NGL the using element to augment a nuke and make it several times more destructive reminds me of the whole method behind nova bomb of just taking nukes and augmenting em and then proceeding to outscale originals big time

[bold dove]

Fucked up part too, is that this was made by a single intelligent man with minimal resources on an artifical island.
Likely even more destructive ones where mass produced during the Element wars.

[lean fog]

feel like there was more to it tbh like imagine if one of the people in tek tribe had the knowledge to build nukes and then santiago or others who knew of tek decided to add massive amounts of element to it and boom good bye aberration ark

[lyric tendon]

Santiago is just Primitive Technology in a speedrun

(Primitive Technology made a literal turbo out of clay, sticks, and leaves BTW)

[lean fog]

gotta wonder something

to get the materials they had to have tried pried opening some of the tek structures and stuff to get stuff inside to make the nuke but if the overseer had noticed them and tried stopping them Wonder what it woulda done since SE sent mantis and then wyverns and after failing just did the "whelp kill most of em and sink it all" method

Or do you guys think it tried but their tek gear allowed them to fend off stuff overseer sent to deal with them?

[bold dove]

If I recall, they found Element in some cave. Meaning this ARK was intended for ease-of-access to Tek.

And technically, if you have the raw, base Elements all around the island they're on.
They cooooooould literally fabricate anything once they get a fabricator up and running.
So it was only a matter of time till someone tried something stupid.

[lean fog]

surprised the overseer didn't react to the whole getting nuke stuff tbh

[bold dove]

Probably because it was dead by then

[lean fog]

it should aware of what's going on but assuming cause they're slowly having more errors longer they're up and even if it did notice as long as they kept it small and kept the whole tribal thing think overseer woulda just gone like "ah still being trible and not pulling a noctis so all good here" 😅

[bold dove]

I wonder

Can a thermal nuclear Element-based warhead kill an Homo-Deus?

I guess maybe it depends how a Tek nuke explodes.

Because if it's like a normal nuke, but bigger. Then I doubt it.
But if it completely evaperates everything, including energy and mass (fucking someone via Element bullshit) then that dude is dead.

[lean fog]

i doubt they died

"In Genesis, HLN-A notices that the Homo Deus technically don't exist in the physical world anymore and have their own plane of reality, a reality Helena describes that few can ever reach." so my guess is once the ark was suped nuked the home deus in charge lost any purpose now that their thing they just poofed away

granted they coulda already done that long before tek tribe got there given how long the arks were floating but who knows

[main steppe]

They just go back to The Cloud™️

[lean fog]

considering they lose sense of self they prob just outright cease to exist

[lyric tendon]

Like a shockwave kills the flame since HD's are energy themselves

I lowkey imagine the force of the explosion kills it then the actual explosion makes the arena inoperable

[lean fog]

Feel it was more like it scattered it and since the arena gone it left too which feel like that area is somehow acting as an anchor for them to be tether even if they're basically running on auto pilot

[sand geode]

Question for the lore nerds: is there anything in the Ark lore to explain the ginormous, kaiju-sized skeletons dotting the landscape on some maps?

[bold dove]

They where added because they looked cool.
That's about it, officially.

Like why the moon is shattered. Because someone decided that looked cooler then a intact moon.

There's only theories of the "why's" they're like that.

[sand geode]

Ahh, I'd hoped there was more to it than that. Like, maybe they were failed experiments during the early days of the Ark's, and had to be put down.

[bold dove]

Failed experiments arguably just work into the active ecosystem, instead of being killed off on purpose.
Aberration has a lot of abnormalities that aren't suppose to exist on an ARK.

[muted finch]

does the same character from extinction go through the genesis simulation and fight rockwell again in gen 2? or is it some other survivor

[lean fog]

it was left in the air in ase where could be same or seperate but considering LC takes place after gen 2 looks like it's gonna be a different survivor and our one who tries again who did ext etc just going straight to arat

[safe light]

so just finished lost colony

the story the game lays out is insane

[trim furnace]

i Just wished lost colony lore was the game lore and not the show lore

[lyric tendon]

Gen, LC, and TAS is becoming the "Sequels" while the Island, SE, Ab, and Ext are the "StarWars Trilogy" of ARK

[main steppe]

Ehhhhh, I wouldn’t quite say that

The sequels overall aren’t good, but they mostly don’t outright retcon events from the original trilogy and prequels, and even when they do, they were never that messy

[fringe nacelle]

How would you evaporate energy? "The energy is not created or destroyed, only transformed "

[main mural]

evaporation is a transformation of matter. not destroying it 🤓

[north bear]

Evaporation is when a liquid transforms into gaz

[fringe nacelle]

Exactly, of matter, not energy

[main mural]

they probably just mean if the nuke destabilized them so they die lol. nukes do cause EMPs so 🤷

[lean fog]

still say it didn't kill the overseer just the avatar or or whatever was anchoring em to the ark

tho thought the overseer was still around and was fighting rockwell but iffy

[mental gale]

is lost colony on earth?

[lean fog]

opposite side of earth of extinctions sanctuary

[bold dove]

No, it's on the Sun.

[mental gale]

thanks m8

[mental basin]

South Pole

To be specific

[lyric tendon]

Killing the homodeus battery = killing the overseer

It's like killing the pilot will kill the jet plane

Both cannot be recovered either way

[bold dove]

Weeeeeeeell.
If the jet is landed, it won't destroy the jet.

[lean fog]

depends on definition of landing tbh

thing is home deus can't stay in our reality for too long so for all we know it was long gone from control over anything leaving overseer alone and still wonder what overseer woulda done if it realized they'd brough a nuke which someone had to have sacrificed themselves to ensure went off

Imagine being the person who does that thinking it'l save everyone only to find out it just make situation worse and leaving even harder

[lyric tendon]

i don't state it's landed on its own in the middle of combat like the overseer does

[hearty creek]

Lore is cool

Every time I jump off a cliff it's cannon

In my head my surviver is actually deeply suicidal and his whole purpose for getting off the arks is so he can be freed from the endless cycle of life and death

In a way the arks are like purgatory and our bobs are it's denizens

Also cool robots and big monster

[lyric tendon]

Not really, it would require being launched by it from a ship

[tame marsh]

so just to be clear, LC is after Gen 2, that's why we get sent to get the codex

and that's how we get to Arat Prime?

this make gen survivor and ark survivor different people?

if so, what happens to the gen survivor? they land and just live happily ever after while dealing with HLN-A being gone?

[main mural]

don't think we know this yet. in ASE there was conflicting information I believe.
it being after gen2 means it could be the same person. 🤷 I haven't seen all the LC notes tho lol

[tame marsh]

It’s the only thing that really makes sense since the Ark survivor can’t really be the LC survivor cause by then the ship had crashed

[hearty creek]

Is it not the case that every time you die in the game your ability to and this your respawn is technically canonical or am I missing something

[main mural]

because there isn't a way in ark that can bring back dead people with their memories 😂

[tame marsh]

Other than the respawn which apparently needs the codex, which each Ark apparently has vut the one on the Gen ship got destroyed, causing us to go need to go LC to get it, even though we literally could have taken any of the other codexes from the arks and have the main mission be getting to Arat Prime some how

[main mural]

arat prime is the only place that could communicate with arat also the intro says that its the last one. the arks don't have them

[tame marsh]

Ah true. Guess that’s in the name then. I wonder how they made the clones then if the arks had no codexes

Or did the clones just not have memories?

Of their past cloned selves

[main mural]

probably them just talking to each other lol. or they were destroyed during reseed.

[tame marsh]

True true

It does feel weird that only LC’s codex survived thoygh

[main mural]

its also the only place element survived lol

[tame marsh]

I just wish it was more an in between of gen and extinction rather than extinction and Ark 2

[main mural]

wonder if thats connected

[tame marsh]

If the codex is powered by element?

Most likely

I just feel like following Diana and Mei’s footsteps to Arat Prime would have been better narratively

Rockwell still has to get there earlier anyway

Maybe not human him but the monster clings on and manages to get safe passage before dying

Saving himself by becoming code

Or at least å part of the gen simulation

[main mural]

I think most people wanted ext-gen them doing ext/gen-ark 2 was a surprise.

[tame marsh]

Yeah

That’s what I thought I was

[lean fog]

if LC took place a while after ext and we gotta chase after rockwell and reason why it took 1k some years was that's how long it took home deus helena to regain self

[lean fog]

See that's part of my idea that reason why rockwell so normas as he was dying in gen 2 was the element basically released it's hold on him because it didn't want the backlash from losing hiveminds primary lynchpin be destroyed and disrupt it like what happened to the KT and is why there's some other thing left behind in ship it may wanna use

[tame marsh]

I thought it might be more the reseed protocol took that long

[hollow creek]

In extinction ending it seems to go by very fast

[tame marsh]

True

But Helena did say ‘in time’

When referring to the element being purged from earth

[hollow creek]

Yeah

[tame marsh]

I mean it’s been there for a good while

Gonna take more than a few days to clear it all

[hollow creek]

LC could have been so much better

[tame marsh]

Yes. Yes it could have

[lean fog]

the 1k years thing was iffy on but was fine with

the shoehorning of TAS into stuff and the ingoring of gen's to connect to ark 2 was real meh tbh

[tame marsh]

I’d rather play on an earth that’s still healing while we travel and get to Arat Prime and do what we need to do

[tame marsh]

It is a slap in the face to the previous writers

[lean fog]

i mean if they wanted to do the whole one who tries again and genesis survivor are seprate felt like could been handled better

[tame marsh]

Yeah

[lean fog]

feels like right now the one who tries again is just going right to arat and legacy of santiago while gen survivor stopped elements backup plan but then what becomes of them?

are they gonna have us canonically be one while other is an npc in ark 2? both maybe? is mystery tbh

[hollow creek]

On LC we are the ext one right?
Mmm, genesis one should be dead, but they all seem to be immortal cause family
I really don't know

[lean fog]

if they want the 2 to be seperate characters i'm fine with that just wish would be done better since it was never said if they same or not in ase and was a "up to individiual" deal

yes LC is one who tries again

[lean fog]

see here's the thing the real wrinkle in all of this is the now odd gen 1/2 time

like all we know is LC takes place after gen 2 given the whole meeka and the reminains of genesis ships burning up in arat's atmo but we don't know how long

it'd prob be at least maybe a couple months to few years to give time for the settlers etc to settle in and start living

[hollow creek]

We know genesis is a bit after Ext, I think, someone from WC said so,
That or I'm gaslighting myself here

[lean fog]

if they did would make no sense tbh

[hollow creek]

Yeah

#lore-nerdz message

[lean fog]

like if they wanna say LC and other stuff takes places 1k some years after etx that's fine but if LC takes place 1037-RS(reseed protocol) then only reason why is gen 2 must take place before it since again we know survivors are on arat and ship gone given debris

am fine with it being so late kinda cause it would give rockwell time to sieze control of the ship

a tiny bug here a tiny glitch there and just slowly infect things and by time anyone notices it's too late and he slowly infects and takes more and more control of the ship

[hollow creek]

before reseed
1000 BR helena story, till mei and diana go to arat
around reseed
0 we do the legacy maps
months after rockwell is on genesis
(i think from the genesis note, we can calc HLNA to be there for some years, before we start genesis)
some years after reseed we do genesis
1000 AR LC and ark2

so mei ying was lost queen for 2k years ☠️

1,000 BR (Helena's time)
0 AR (the original ARK trilogy and Genesis)
1,000 AR (the timeframe for both Lost Colony and ARK 2)

i guess the line "Rockwell ends up on the Genesis seed ships months after the Reseed Protocol happened on Earth" leaves enough wiggle room to let us head cannon when exactly he takes it over

but "Genesis happens very similarly in time to Extinction" doesn't help

[lean fog]

honestly if LC takes place 1037 ARS then genesis at latest would take place 1036 ARS

[hollow creek]

i think they trying to say
0 is legacy maps
37 is gen
1037 is lc

[hollow creek]

it would be fine it it was just that

[lean fog]

like i said if they wanted LC and gens to take place well after ext that part fine with it's the changing of stuff like the relationships and the whole diana being poofed out etc

[hollow creek]

yeah, completely removing diana and the super low note count is such a disapointement

was likely cause them voices be expensive as heck

[lean fog]

feel like the massive mappa stuff mighta used up good bit of the $ tbh

like they coulda done thing where diana died part way through cause of lost king and woulda been something

[hollow creek]

yeah

if i keep staying around here i'll start getting piss off enought at this decision i'm just gonna start writing fanfic cause LC pissed me off

[strong heart]

Prolly won’t since they rewritten the continuity of it as we seen in LC. I expect the same thing to happen in gen 1 with bob dlc along with genesis map remaster.

[lean fog]

it'd still need to happen before LC cause we know LC is post gen 2 but the question is how soon,would it happen 1 year before 1037 or 10 or what?

[compact zenith]

LC lore is still bullshit, cuz it closer to animated series than in game lore

[elder geyser]

So I just tried the lost colony boss after being fed up with ark and just wanting to finish lost colony.

And I ran into countless bugs in the fight so couldn’t even get to the make part before falling through the floor. Does anyone have a good lore video they recommend for lost colony? That’s the only reason I was playing it anyone

[orchid cedar]

Can somebody explain all of ark lore to me for no reason

[north bear]

I could try

But I would recommend needythenoodle video

I haven’t played lc

[north bear]

So I’ll try

The world of ark is a similar world to our there is only 2 big differences

[orchid cedar]

Mhmm

[north bear]

First difference is the world is divided in 2 factions

The ure

The feds

[orchid cedar]

Not the feds!!

[north bear]

Feds stand for Terrian federation

[orchid cedar]

Oh ok

[north bear]

The second difference is that there was a meteorite that brought element

Basically the 2 factions did the element war to get all the element

[orchid cedar]

Oh I thought that was just a mishap

[north bear]

The element war did a lot of damage to human

(The war ended because of a guy called Santiago created an element nuke basically hinosima 2.0)

[orchid cedar]

Lol

[north bear]

But what humanity didn’t know was that element wasn’t just something that can do anything

In reality it was a hive mind

[orchid cedar]

So that bomb probably didn't help

[north bear]

(Pretty much like terraria evil biome)

[north bear]

Yep

The human were so weaken they couldn’t beat it

To try and save humanity both had different plan

1 plan was to create the arks

Basically run away

That plan was hoping on the fact that the corruption would die on its own

The second plan was the Genesis ship

[orchid cedar]

Both failed

[north bear]

Its goal was trying to find another planet

[north bear]

Actually no

[orchid cedar]

Eventually at least

[north bear]

We made them work

[orchid cedar]

Oh

[north bear]

By killing king titan we let the ark

The plan of both was to clone every thing after it worked

[orchid cedar]

So why dinosaurs?

Why wouldn't current animals work?

[north bear]

If where reviving every species alive why not revive every animal ever

[orchid cedar]

Fair enough

[north bear]

So now we get to Helena story

Helena was a 21st century woman

[orchid cedar]

Mhmm

[north bear]

Who later became the one who waits

[orchid cedar]

Wdym

[north bear]

The girl you see at the start of the game

[orchid cedar]

Oh ok

[north bear]

So she got cloned in the island ark