lore-nerdz

[gloomy trout]

i got that feeling too through out the animated series and LC

[mental basin]

Mhm

[lean fog]

unloyal? bro people can loose feelings over time and find new people

[bold dove]

I personally don't see it fetishy. But I do agree that it's just bad, unnecessary writing.

[trail loom]

Them killing off Diana again apparently offscreen between extinction and lc puts Sour taste in my mouth

[gloomy trout]

overtime, ab to ext is like not alot of time 😭

[bold dove]

Nothing was gained by adding this new relationship, other then now the distrust of any hardcore lore people. And the total confusion of anyone new coming into the lore.

[lean fog]

bro you'd be shocked

people can break up for pettiest of reasons

[mental basin]

Unloyal as in, retroactively rewriting the story so that everyone has feelings for everyone, when Diana and Mei-Yin were probably the best couple in the entire story.

[lean fog]

i got a idea that might be terrible

[mental basin]

There was no reason to do so, nor was there really implication of this ever being the case. Feels gross.

[gloomy trout]

not to meantion, how is that kid dianas??

if the gen ship made one that a diffrant person than on earth and is she dead lon arat ike??

[bold dove]

Sure, you can argue it's realistic.
But realism doesn't make for a compelling narrative, all the time.

[mental basin]

Diana's pre-ARKs

[lean fog]

what if helena's whole homo deus thing means her feelings and whatnot are distorted?

i mean their realm is not quite up to same space time as ours right? who's to say that doesn't fuck with someone mentally/emotionally

[gloomy trout]

why are you talking about helena feelings? we are talking about mei yin instantly loving diana like right after helena

[bold dove]

You'd think that she'd become more emotionless, and more obtuse.

[mental basin]

She did though, all throughout Extinction she had lost her emotions

[bold dove]

Helena at the end of Ext seems to still have emotions, but her tone makes it that she's a little deadpan.

[mental basin]

She only got them back for a short period in the Ext Prologue, then again in the Ascension. You can tell, as the Homo Deus effect on her voice dissipates.

[bold dove]

Right.
Her primary goal became to make the Earth rotate again, and see one final sunrise.
And she got that, and the last bit of emotions she had, she could appreciate it before fading away.

[gloomy trout]

her primary goal was to have the reseed protocl activate

[bold dove]

Earth rotation, Reseed Protocol, same thing

[gloomy trout]

she should be gone, idk why she on arat now 1k years later 💀

[mental basin]

Prolly because she got her emotions back

Offset her fade

[lean fog]

i mean it takes along time to get ahold of who you are and whatnot in a realm where things are janky

[gloomy trout]

i mean, its known that the homodeus kinda fizzle out after a while/compleating thier goal (and the corrupt ones that are overseers)

the end on ext she kinda clearly did go away, its just a shitty story telling to bring her back

[lean fog]

imagine you finally recollect yourself and think it's only been like say 10 years only to find out it was 1,000 😅

[bold dove]

Yeah, but I feel like that puts ascension in a weird place.
Wasn't the entire narrative point of the Homo-Deus's was to sacrifice their mortal bodies to become energy, and one with the universe. So they can help maintain the ARK's, and also act as a third was of getting off of the dead Earth?
Which can with the extreme cost of losing yourself and fading away?
If Helena can just....get her emotions back. Why in the fuck did no other Homo-Deus do that?
Out of the possible hundreds to cause "the song" is Helena really going to be the only one that somehow figured this out?

[lean fog]

reminds me of all the frieren memes tbh

"what do you mean it;s no longer in stuck it was just here recently" and the recently being 50 years 😅

[bold dove]

All I'm saying, is she shouldn't even think of getting jiggy with it with Mei-Yin at the end of LC if this was the old era of writing rules.

[trail loom]

I wouldn't be surprised if they don't address it or go with her having a reason to not lose herself completely (like mei yin and the genesis stuff) which let's her retain her humanity/emotions

[bold dove]

I miss when becoming a Homo-Deus had real consequences, and was a mockery of godhood, with the reality of it being horrible, boring, and nothing. With a tingle of horror to it.

[lean fog]

i mean it still could be

but we're the main character and we're too busy trying to tame and whatnot to bother with worries of existential dread etc 😅

[fast bison]

Its strange how all of helenas notes from ext are about mei yin, and most of mei yins notes are about helena. Go read those too, especially when she is trying to save helena. Mei yin doesnt even talk about diana till the very end.

like the other person mentioned, its implied even more in ext, like it has been each map before the show or lost existed

why would a random friend she dislikes and has no feelings for, be someone that broke her when she left

[mental basin]

Not only havs I read every single Explorer Note several times, but I wrote a third of NeddyTheNoodle's 2-Million View 'Full Story of ARK Explained' Video, and have been directly offered to compile a list of canonical ARK inconsistencies by Studio Wildcard Co-Founder Jeremy Stieglitz.

I'd like to think I know what I'm talking about in this instance.

[fast bison]

Ill agree to disagree then

[mental basin]

Now I'm not saying there was no relationship between the two at all, because that's not true in the slightest. It was just never contextualized as 'sexual' or 'romantic', as TAS / LC leads us to believe.

Now, with retcons, that is the case. Now there's a romantic relationship. The main argument is that there wasn't one before either of these things.

[fast bison]

Thats what ive been saying too though. We were left with a vague friendship/relationship that was further expanded on with new lore

and if new lore is now canon

[mental basin]

It's hard to consider it an 'expansion' when it doesn't appear in the Explorer Notes. That's why we call it a retcon- a recontextualization.

It wasn't the case before, but it is the case now, kind of a deal.

And that's what makes it messy, and that's what makes people not like it. At least, that's one of the main reasons.

Unfortunately, Lost Colony is full of moments like this.

Take for example, Mei-Yin's backstory. In the Explorer Notes, she fought AGAINST the Yellow Turbans, and both of her parents were alive. Yet in the final fight against the Lost Queen, Helena describes her Animated Series backstory- where she fought WITH the Yellow Turbans, and her parents were killed.

The issue being, one, overriding her previous backstory, and two, the fact that they didn't go back to rewrite the old Notes. You can still go in-game right now, and read about how Mei-Yin fought against the Yellow Turbans. See the issue?

[fast bison]

I guess the big issue were all having is that i have 0 isuess with them expanding on the lore, and i want it tbh. I wasnt done with the story, they can continue to add and explain more backstory and ill be happy. Not everyone wants a full story though. I dont think they were ever planning on that being the end, or they wouldnt have released another story map at all. The actual inconsitencies like that shouldnt have ever existed, but the things that just werent really touched on, being made into a story now, i dont see an issue

[mental basin]

And you're entitled to your own opinions, I'm not trying to change 'em, I'm just telling you from our POV what the issue is. It's just super messy, and super shoehorned into everything.

I'd be considerably less pissed, had they just gone back and tweaked a few Explorer Notes to accommodate the changes, yk yk.

[fast bison]

I definitely get what youre saying at least, and i do agree on some of it being messy and sloppy

Id be okay with them changing old notes too, im just happy for more ark story lol

[mental basin]

Jeremy Stieglitz still has yet to make Peter Fries go back n rewrite any of the stuff I gave him in my list of inconsistencies, and, as it stands

It seems like Diana's respawn has been retconned

So maybe they're planning a full prior-Explorer Note rewrite

[fast bison]

Im sure ill notice a lottt more inconsitencies too

They need to do somehting, cause the further they go with new show lore and the bobs real tails lore im assuming we'll get too, its going to be a disaster of inaccurate lore

[lean fog]

guys i just had a thought of why rockwell looks so much different in that mappa thing or whatever it is with mei yin in it

what if that's what he looked like originally but after being defeated he rebuilt himself and changed the arena etc to prevent it from happening again?

[bold dove]

Retroactive continuity.

[umbral field]

That's how I've always thought of it, since it is definitely a hivemind and just lost its main world

Like it kept Rockwell on the aberrant ark as a backup plan already (from marc soskin's ama)

[umbral field]

I'd hate for them to rewrite the old notes, ugh. I'd rather them change the Lost colony intro cinematic and explain where tf diana is than destroy the story retroactively

[bold dove]

It would actually just be more work rewriting four maps worth of notes that usually have 20-30 notes each character, versus one map that has 10 notes for the four characters.

And would piss more people off if they rewrote the entire story.

[umbral field]

Did they confirm he's writer for LC btw? I knew he was for Gen1/2 but I'd be so disappointed if he were writing this stuff... Gen 1/2 seemed decent writing-wise, unless they're really forcing him to shunt all this other canon in

[brisk hawk]

Hi All,

Ths question must come up a lot, apologies for the redundancy:

I want to play Lost Colony, but I am a bit loose on the details and someone told me to leave LC untill I have finished all the other arks. But this never happens since we burn out after a month or two.

Could someone give me a chronology of the events leading up to LC. I have watched RaasClark's video but that was even more confusing tbh.

If you have another resource to link to, I would be happy to watch/read that

[umbral field]

For the player or the NPCs?

[brisk hawk]

I don't know how to answer the question 😅

I guess for the player?

[umbral field]

We initiated Reseed Protocol after Extinction, then died at some point presumably offscreen, and then were cloned at Lost Colony by Helena from across the galaxy (she's phoning in from the moon Arat it would seem) to retrieve the database of humans and upload it to said moon, which we need to beat up the Lost King for

Someone else did Gen1/2 in the meantime, which is sort of a retcon (along with loads of other stuff)

At the end we upload directly to Arat for Ark 2, skipping Genesis 1/2

[brisk hawk]

OKay, so gen 1 and 2 is no longer canon?

[umbral field]

Presumably they are, but they are done by a separate Survivor--either a total stranger, or a clone of your own if you want to imagine that but without any of their other memories

This was always the main possibility anyway lore-wise, it's just that most people thought LC would make it possible to continue through the story as 1 by uploading to Gen 1, not Arat

[brisk hawk]

So

The Island -> Extinction is essentially learning that the arks are simulations with the end-goal of restoring a home for humans. Extinction we are on earth, we beat the boss and initiate the process to essentially terraform earth and reboot civilisation.

The player died, and now we are summoned to Arat? I am missing something there.

[umbral field]

The "missing something" is that first we need to respawn at Arat Prime, beat up the King, get the Big Book of Human Brains and upload it also to the new moon

Also to note, between "we died offscreen" and "we were cloned at Lost Colony," there's a 1,000 year gap that wasn't there in ASE so that's a big change

As a warning, it's poorly written compared to the previous expacs imo so a lot of it is... muddy at best

But yeah your first paragraph is correct up until LC

[brisk hawk]

So presumably the terraform and reboot went to shit?

[umbral field]

It went fine, the Genesis Ship was actually launched alongside the Arks as a backup plan! The two warring factions each made a plan, and enacted it

[brisk hawk]

Or was it a success and step 2 is to upload the brains

[umbral field]

Both technically have now succeeded, Earth is cleansed of Element, Arat is possibly infected by residual Element which may be addressed in Ark 2 (unknown as yet)

[umbral field]

In case there is confusion--Arat Prime is the Antarctic launch site and now Lost Colony dome. Arat is the moon across the galaxy where the Genesis ship headed to, named after the launch site

[brisk hawk]

aaah I think I got it.

So we were on earth(extinction) and succeeded, and in LC we are now redeployed to earths south pole(Arat Prime - Lost Colony) to upload the the brains to be deployed on Arat(moon thats in the galaxy far far away)?

[umbral field]

Yes exactly!

[brisk hawk]

So whats the point of the ship going to Arat if the whole objective is to get everyone back on earth?

Is Arat a backup?

[umbral field]

Yes, the Genesis program was a separate "oh shit" plan from the Arks--two factions (URE and Terran Federation) were warring on Earth, decimated it, went "oh no we messed up" and each made a plan. One launched the Arks, the other launched the Genesis Ship at presumably the same time, which was then travelling through space for hundreds of years

or I guess after the retcons, 2k+ years

[brisk hawk]

Okay got it,

lol so if both succeed we might have parallel versions of each person living on opposite sides of the galaxy

[umbral field]

Posssssibly, there are definitely people who've had multiple clones who aren't aware of one another like Santiago. BUT we don't know if and how "souls" factor in at all, so we don't know if 2 versions of a person can exist at the same time but that's a whole other question

There is a hint that they do, as their consciousnesses fade and Helena couldn't pull some people back for respawn, Santiago being one of them and that maaaay be why. but that's a tangent to what's otherwise a "yes exactly" answer lol

[brisk hawk]

Does the player character have memory of their actions in extinction?

Maybe to ask differently, is the last known backup of memory saved from the moment they initiated the terraform operation or do they not even know that they did all that?

[umbral field]

The one who will arrive on Ark 2/on Arat (moon) will have those memories yeah. They'll be a direct upload from Lost Colony

The "people blueprints" stored in the engram codex presumably all have the baseline of "we made these up from when you originally died" which is why Santiago A/B/C don't remember one anothers' lives

...which again gets complicated with memory tampering but. another tangent-

[brisk hawk]

oh wow, so in-game player might not even know of their from each expansion

This actually helps me justiy skipping a lot of the earlier games to jump into LC

[umbral field]

The in-game player moved through not by being cloned from the Engram Codex, but respawned by Helena and using Ascension, so from The Island -> Ark 2 (skipping gen1/2) they SHOULD have all their memories

[brisk hawk]

ah okay

[umbral field]

the codex is like a human brain cookbook, but helena kept picking up the leftovers and reheating them

[brisk hawk]

Whereas Santiago got re-cloned each time?

[umbral field]

Yup!

baseline cookbook recipe every time

[brisk hawk]

Okay, pretty cool story when its organised like this, thanks!

[umbral field]

Np, hopefully I haven't explained anything egregiously wrong lol

[brisk hawk]

I am compiling this into an infograph for my server, so we are all caught up. I will post it here then we can have the rest fact check it as well.

[umbral field]

good shout

[brisk hawk]

Some follow ups:

1. Whats the point of arks 1 through to aberation. If the whole plan was to initiate the reseed protocol, why not just send us to extinction from the get-go from an in-story perspective?

2. Why does the genises program not have the big book of brains ready already? Seems kinda crazy to go on adventure ot the other side of the galaxy and not have the brains handy.

[umbral field]

For 1, there was no way to Earth; Santiago & co. blew up part of the Aberrant Ark to ensure it wouldn't stop them from returning to Earth prematurely (they set up a transportation device; humanity wasn't ready/there was too much Element on Earth so they basically had to trick the system)

They failed when they got there, so we follow in their footsteps to make another attempt

2. The ship was partially destroyed after being half taken over by Rockwell, so while it's not explicitly stated (afaik), it's probably destroyed or damaged. They do mention that cloning from it on Arat (moon) may "wake up" Bad Things™ that are Rockwell-related

neat formatting, Discord, thanks (?)

I don't actually know why Helena wouldn't have just started spawning people on Aberration. Probably it's too hard without training on the other Arks lol

[brisk hawk]

Makes sense,

So for 1. The prior arks were the gauntlets that humanity had to pass through(either to prepare for new life on new world OR to buy time until earth is susceptible to the reseed to kick off) and the players(with the help of earlier NPC's basically broke out of the matrix early and moved the plan forward.

and for 2:
Got it, I am a bit unclear how Rockwell can be in two places at once given he is on aberration and on the genesis ship then, but I'll chalk that off to sci-fi brain interface/clones magic.

[umbral field]

Yes, with number one; the entire Ark system kept going on and on and the system was degrading b/c purging Earth had taken so long, so Helena has to sort of jump-start it. But the ARks were gauntlets for our training for sure--as Rockwell says, something like "meant to prove which of us were capable of restoring life to the ruin they made of our world." Even Element being on the Arks (as fuel & artifacts) was meant to be part of our training

And 2 he's not at the same time; he gets uploaded at the end of Lost Colony's notes (1k years before player arrival) to the Genesis ship. Again there's time retcons here. Previously, in ASE, it happened presumably a little after Extinction: the Aberrant Ark falls near Arat Prime, he uploads himself somehow, which left him on the ship for something like a decade iirc. In the ASA version of events, the same thing happens but then there's 1k years that he's on the ship before Arat (moon)

In the original timeline it's assumed that the player would've gone to Arat Prime to upload to the Genesis ship at about the same time Rockwell made it there. In the new lore there's 1k years between his arrival and our cloning/arrival

[lean fog]

like he sais the arks were degrading but it was a super massive 0.00000001% or something per cycle which minor but i don't think we ever got info on how long a cycle was

so stuff like a dino spawning up in air or variious other odd gameplay things could be summed up as the overseer made placement error or so

[lean fog]

yeah the plan was element would reseed or starve or something and then reseed would kick in but uh element did in fact not starve

[dusk swift]

can someone explain ark lore in a nutshell start to finish 🥹

[brisk hawk]

The veterans can correct me, but since I asked this right before you, here goes:

||Earth is cooked due to war and a toxic substance called element screwing the planet. The two major sides that were warring realised that humanity is doomed and came up with 2 plans for saving humanity:

Plan 1: Build arks for people to "survive and train in" while we wait out the worst of what is going on on earth.
Plan 2: Build a massive genesis ship that finds an alternative to earth for humanity to live on.

Player is dropped in the ark, across the first 3 maps you learn that the Arks are essentially simulations playing out over and over again, keeping humanity in suspension until earth is cleared of what makes it toxic and essentially training humanity to survive again once they return to earth. They can clone people and essentially inject memories and conscious into people since they have all those saved on a hard drive.

In the third map, called aberration, people that came before you essentially broke out of the simulations and could return to earth, allowing them to kick-off the returnal earlier. They failed. You as a player then succeed where they failed and you get out of the simulation and dropped into Extinction, which is earth, and it sucks there and its not close to being ready for humans again.

So during extinction you fight some stuff, do some stuff, and essentially succeed in starting the "reseeding protocol" which is a huge terraforming and reboot event that is supposed to restore earth to being livable and return humans(as clones of themselves) to earth.

So plan 1 is sort of going well, but plan 2 has meanwhile deviated when the ship got corrupted and the hard drive is corrupted. So lost colony it is your player's task to try and solve that and upload the backup(stored in antarctica where LC takes place) to the genesis ship's servers so that plan 2 can still continue. ||

[lyric tendon]

First of all the only "simulation" is gen 1

Ab is not a "simulation", it's like any normal ARK (like The Island) but the Tek people blew one of the pillars up, exposing the ARK to countless sunlight and falling debris

Secondly, that is the player side of it, so most of the details are gone (Scourched Earth "aka Helena and Rockwell's sidequest" is not mentioned in that ramble)

and yes i am team "rockwell killed the baby" camp

[main steppe]

Everytime I hear about that, I’m just imagining Rockwell strangling it like Homer and Bart

[lyric tendon]

Nah he left it to die as the note stated, he doesnt want to stay and see his "masterwork" as he escapes

[main steppe]

But consider

It’s funny

[lyric tendon]

I wish but i cant rewrite the notes, can't i

[umbral field]

the poison? yeah the writer there said he didn't particularly aim to kill the baby/mother, their fate is unknown but he was "indiscriminate" and that it was a turning point for his Path Of Villainy™

[lean fog]

also they didn't break aberration to escape iirc

they realized this overseer was well overseeing their whole suffering and whatnot so they just made a nuke augmented it with element and basically bomed the overseer

which is why the surface is basically super death and there's no flyers cause they couldn't adapt and the struggling overseer apparently considered it not worth modifying them

[mental basin]

Nope

They bombed it to escape lol

[lean fog]

well they failed at that so yeah 😅

still wonder how tf they got a nuke let alone why overseer somehow didn't see that

[lyric tendon]

I mean you have a tribe filled with engineers and soldiers that can handle such technology

It's an overseer not a foreseer

[lean fog]

yeah but you'd think it'd detect the radiation from it at some point or once it saw they were bringing it to the overseer arena

[lyric tendon]

"Nuke" is just a nickname

They are made from element

I dunno how do they got it there but from the note itself, it looked like an oversized c4

[umbral field]

They actually really badly damaged it, destroying the fake sky, the shielding, the overseer's room etc

one of the three pillars is completely snapped

it used to have a lush surface like the island rip

[lean fog]

i know they damaged it i mis remembered why

also yeah the surface of ab woulda been cool to see

[umbral field]

yeee it was b/c helena warned them that the obelisks are set to "reset" people when they get too advanced, like with nosti, so she was afraid that trying to portal out with intact obelisks/overseer would just get them destroyed

[lean fog]

like imagine you go from a variety biome to burning hellscape to basically super amazon death trap

[lyric tendon]

Helena wasn't there when they nuke the overseer, she came after the nuke

[umbral field]

Yes she was?

[lean fog]

also would they not be aware of the whole you beat overseer so you can go to next ark etc? cause wonder if they were either not aware or if they were they just to detonate the bomb when they got their buts kicked and people started getting killed

[umbral field]

no, she was there, it was her who warned Santiago that the overseer wouldn't just let them leave

[lyric tendon]

Nope, Diana mentioned how lush it was, not helena

[lean fog]

still woulda been cool to have seen super amazon rainforest style death world

[lyric tendon]

Nope, The tek tribe doesnt know the overseer until they attempt to nuke the pillar

[lean fog]

so they just assumed if they nuked the point where the 3 super pillars are it'd drop the giant shield dome?

[lyric tendon]

Helena came after the nuking when she met mei

Mei ascened when ab is already on fire

[umbral field]

so they bombed it twice?

[lyric tendon]

No

[lean fog]

yeah nerva's body was found cooked crispy

[umbral field]

i remember mei yin arriving with nerva and it's already on fire, but they go down, see the clones & sabotage the ark with helena after she warns them it's gonna kill them for trying to "portal" out

i must be misremembering what the first bomb was for lol

[lyric tendon]

Ok let's make it simple

Diana and Santiago team up to escape Ab by nuking the overseer arena

Ab is on fire

Mei and Nerva (corpse) enters the server
Mei makes friends with Diana after ko tame a drake

Helena and Rockwell joined the server and Mei founds them

[umbral field]

they went back down and sabotaged the ark with helena so they could get out, so i guess they had to do it twice? and i just forgot and conflated the two

[lyric tendon]

No

[umbral field]

They go down with her and see the clones and sabotage the overseer when she warns them it will nuke them if they try to leave, but i assume the actual ark-destroying bomb came earlier before she arrived?? i thought it was the same thing but yeah it doesn't line up with mei yin arriving to a smoldering surface

i remember they got chased up by reapers afterward

[lean fog]

gotta wonder something

[lyric tendon]

The one with Helena and Mei joins Santiago to redirect power of the obelisks to themportal while Rockwell stays with Diana

That is where they discovered they are cloned

[umbral field]

they also sabotage the overseer then

so yeah i guess two sabotages and i never realized

[lyric tendon]

There is no overseer there

[umbral field]

not after they destroy the room no

[lyric tendon]

Therenis only 1 sabotage

[lean fog]

they nuked the overseer so they could go to earth but the overseer still woulda allowed them to leave the ark just only to another ark in teh loop right? them trying to break out of loop path was issue yeah?

[umbral field]

i think so yeah but it would've also just destroyed them for making a portal to begin with, so to let them use the portal they had to stop it first

[lyric tendon]

They don't know how the ark works hence their plan of escape failed

[lean fog]

they basically turned it into discount crematoria

[lyric tendon]

The portal is different

There is no overseer to meaintain it until rockwell took over as the new overseer

[lean fog]

isn't the old overseer still there if not damaged and it and rockwell fighting for control that rockwell was winning?

[lyric tendon]

Nope, no overseer arena = no overseer = ark falls apart = the earthquakes you experienced in game

[umbral field]

i thought the overseer got destroyed, and Rockwell took its place in the arena? like that was the sabotage

[lyric tendon]

The ARK is in emergency mode

Rockwell took over a sort of boss arena a kin to monkey, dragon, brood arena and became a defacto overseer

[umbral field]

ahh no there was an overseer

[lyric tendon]

Nope

[umbral field]

that's what they fought & bombed to begin with, they mention it as a giant shapeshifting creature

[lyric tendon]

That's the overseer, yeah

They just nuke it along with the arena, hence the pillar where it used to be snapped in half

[umbral field]

yeah that's what i was saying, there was one, they bombed it, rockwell took its arena over

the second sabotage was the obelisks, i conflated the two oops

[lyric tendon]

There is no "second sabotage" what are you on about

There is only one

The one with the clones and the reapers are more of an ambush

Sabotage is someone is gonna blew it up again

[umbral field]

So helena arrives, and they're setting up the Gateway Project

And she warns them that the obelisks will destroy them if they try that. so they put it on hold, and Santiago checks and finds out that yes it looks like the obelisks are getting ready to fire off a nuke. and that's when they head down into the guts of the ark again. they sabotage the obelisks just in time, and escape, and then the reapers chase them out

[lyric tendon]

Huh where is the 2nd nuke you are on about

[umbral field]

the obelisks themselves would've pretty much decimated the station as with Nosti, i think Helena mentions it would've completely annihilated a lot of the ark's life

but they get to the control room & manage to shut them down first

[lean fog]

wonder something

[lyric tendon]

You merged SE with AB lmao

[umbral field]

No, that's what happens

[lean fog]

if they didn't get warned would the ab overseer have pulled a SE and sicked reapers and nameless swarm on them etc?

[umbral field]

Helena was told about Nosti and warns Santiago on Ab not to go through with the Gateway project without shutting down the obelisks first

[umbral field]

the overseer was already destroyed i think but the obelisks would've just basically earthquake/bombed them

[lyric tendon]

Yes but no nukes nor sabotage mentioned

[lean fog]

you know what i mean

[umbral field]

They sabotage the obelisks, they go into the control room & santiago hacks in to shut them off

[lean fog]

like if it found out they tried to portal out would it send creature swarm on them like nosti or would it have basically just fired off a pulse or something and basically purge a whole area

[umbral field]

it sics the creature swarm on them anyway, and it's implied from what santiago finds out about the energy levels that it was getting ready to purge them like nosti

[lyric tendon]

They use the obelisks to redirect power to the portal project, that is why they came down here

Yes helena's warning of Nosti was there but Santiago already knew

There is no "2nd nuking"

[umbral field]

No I'm saying they sabotage the obelisks, they didn't have to nuke them to do that

[lean fog]

gotta wonder given how nosti survived and the overseer said screw it and dragged it into ground what would ab one have done if they fended off the attacks? just flood the area if was a lush forest of jungle or something?

[lyric tendon]

Bro i know that scene like the back of my head (i was mei in that part)

I recall it's not a sabotage and the reaper swarming in is a counter-measure against intruders

[umbral field]

I think you're confusing WHO I'm saying is sabotaging, or misunderstanding what I mean by "sabotage"

They go in and sabotage the obelisks, not the other way around

Sabotage just means subvert/"make not work good"

[lean fog]

wonder something about the lush part

if say it was a rainforest or so would it be like just typical amazon style or would it be like where had temples and other things like maya or others?

it is completely pointless and irrelevant but curiosity there

[umbral field]

lol all i remember is that diana liked its blue sky

if you went back and looked through her notes maybe she described it but i don't remember

[lean fog]

i'm a sucker for the "but what did it look like before" tbh

stuff like pre nuked ab and giant fossils are cool to wonder what looked like before dead

[lyric tendon]

It's there to look cool

No lore significance

[main steppe]

Honestly, given the king titan is apparently the biggest titan, and always was, I think a lot of the giant fossils we see in SE and Extinction are regular sized skeletons that have been grown by element exposure

Realistically, yeah, it’s just there because the environmental designers thought it would look cool

[umbral field]

like the giant rexes in aberration lol

[lyric tendon]

I would love to believe those are mini-titan corpses but sadly it's just there to be cool

[umbral field]

or well... all over, i guess. giant rexes on scorched... giant rexes on extinction

[main steppe]

Maybe the humans that made the arks just put it there because they thought it would look cool lmao

[lean fog]

i mean like imagine if the creature was used as say a roaming boss but overseer of said ark lost control and had to kill it and was like "yeah bit too much" 😅

[umbral field]

the ice titan-looking skull they added on ASA Extinction is definitely interesting

[umbral field]

with the new 1k year gap before lost colony... i didn't think about it but human civilization with a foundation of post-apocalyptic high tech COULD advance really far in that time

do you think there's just cities around the Lost Colony dome going "eww those guys cosplaying as vampires in there"

[lean fog]

eh i dunno

the question is would people start buidling cities and nations around where the arks were or would it still be tribal and slowly go that way?

[dusk swift]

wait ark is so peak

[bold dove]

He wasn't the writer of Gen1.
And it still lists his as lead writer in the credits

[umbral field]

ahhh i thought imdb had him listed, but good to know ty

Do you know offhand who wrote gen1 then?

[bold dove]

I don't. But I think it was just some dude at the time.
If I had to assume, someone internal as they where still trying to find a new lead writer after Marc left, and ATLAS dropped the ball.

[main steppe]

That would explain why the actual story was so lackluster compared to every other expansion. It’s not a dig against whoever was writing it, but you can tell that, compared to the other expansions, it wasn’t exactly a professional writer. Probably just someone going off of notes from higher up.

[mental basin]

David Noonan

[umbral field]

thank you!

[umbral field]

it felt like a weird fun ride, but i liked the dialogue at least

[lean fog]

guys i had a very random and very stupid idea

[lean fog]

what if stuff like this was the element trying to get onto and claim the arks but failed? and only reason gen 1 and 2 happened was rockwell while indoctrinated wasn't mindless as titans or so and he could sneak in and do it slowly but surely? and that's why there's the giant skeletons etc?

[still quartz]

so lost colony is set in North Eastern Rurope/Russia? the red beam coming from Earth in the loading screen seems to come from around that area (Upside down globe with America and Greenland shown on the right side) It cannot be Antarctica

[brisk hawk]

What are the arks then if not simulations? You live, you die, you revive,you die, rinse repeat, it is also a parameterized world designed with a specific purpose. Thats a simulation.

[lean fog]

uh no

[strong scaffold]

Normal people don't respawn though....at least not with memories/stuff intact. We're "special".

[lean fog]

you respawn cause helena made it so you get a new clone body

if it was before that and you encounterd a raptor upon spawn and died whelp gg you stay dead

like those poor college kids and the nameless

[brisk hawk]

Simulation:
a model of a real activity, created for training purposes or to solve a problem:

If the player keeps dying and getting respawned as a clone, thats even more of an argument for why its a simulation. Genesis might be a digitial simulation but the arks are fake worlds because the humans could not/did not funtion on extinction untill they eventually broke out and got there...or what am I missing?

[lean fog]

but it's not a model it's the real thing

arks are weird tbh

people have forms towns and family and all that so the ark's not a simulation since there's no way every single person reborn on one would be training to retake earth let alone know that was the goal

now as to how can move tames from gen 1 virtual world to irl is it's basically converting those 1 and 0's and just making a copy of creature like with your surviror

[bold dove]

Sci-fi bullshit.

[lean fog]

it's like those 3d printers

the machine just clones the body and says here's your pet spooder enjoy

[bold dove]

Actual theory: since transforming into pure energy via a Homo-Deus is possible in the ARK universe. It isn't impossible then to completely tear apart an animals atoms bit by bit, and recreate it in a digital landscape.
Data has to be stored physically somewhere, even stuff like "OneDrive" that isn't stored on a local machine, is stored in servers.
And all biology is, is information.
So they probably figured out a way to Star-Trek everyone's asses and vaporize them, and move that vaporized information to the simulations data storage, and make it recreate that information 1:1.

Or I'm completely wrong, and animals are literally just AI's and have no real emotions in the simulation, and only humans being physically hooked up are the only real things.

[lean fog]

that's basically like what i meant

it basically takes the 1's and 0's of code and goes "well this is what it's genetic structure likely is so i do this and that and these things and bam enjoy"

i'd like to think it has personality still of the creature so if your dino likes to bury itself in warm beach and chill in simulation version it'd prob do that physically

[subtle axle]

Guys what would rockwells fursona be

[bold dove]

An octopus.

[subtle axle]

Oh wait that’s really neat actually

[mental basin]

"Alright if I was an animal what animal do you think I would be? SERIOUS ANSWERS ONLY. A rooster. A rat. A rat. A rat. A rat. You’d be a rat. Jerma you’re a rat. You’d be a rat. I think you’d be a rat. I think i’d be a wolf. I think so too. I would be a wolf lion hybrid mix. King of the Junjile— Junjile, but still social and with it and ferocious."

[bold dove]

Are you okay?

[gusty turret]

Do you think anyone in the ark lore channel is

[bold dove]

Well, after LC released. I guess not.

[gusty turret]

Its been pretty deranged for a while now

[tired mantle]

The extinction to genesis shenanigans and ambiguity really does cause some problems.

Assuming you do everything you've set out to, you no longer have the specimen implant. It just physically isn't there after extinction.

I'd make the argument that it isn't the same character from extinction to genesis, but then you can transfer your dude from one to the other and back again, which would otherwise imply the homo deus record does contain some form of utility not unlike the specimen implant.

Can you still respawn, after extinction's end, in lore? How does lost colony tie in to extinction?

[subtle axle]

Giggling I know exactly what this is referencing

[toxic wigeon]

So does wildcard think if gay we automatically like? 😔

[reef pine]

Are the Lost coloni archival notes bugged ? Have done many missions ! Both the sigil ones and milestones ! Should have gotten some note so far ! 🙁

[lean fog]

i know it prob more of gameplay thing but what would be the lore of someone using console commands like gcm etc? wanna say it'd be survivor just asking the ark

[bold dove]

Injecting yourself with Element, get hooked to the The System and have all of Earth's history told to you. Then go onto a ship and create life.

For ghost mode and fly, that'd be more like a Homo-Deus

[lean fog]

yeah i feel like with ghost you disconnecting yourself from space a bit and as for others spawning in stuff like weapons could be you hacking the ark and getting the weapons from the cache it has stored up

[kindred burrow]

ok so maybe i missed something in the notes why did meiyin travel to arat launch site was it just cuz she read it in the archives or

[umbral field]

i don't think they had a reason 😭

[hushed ravine]

Wasn’t the reason in ase to upload Helenadeus to genesis, no clue what it’d be now since their doesn’t seem to be any indication of it in lc

[fallow sapphire]

originally, yes

now it seems to be that Mei Yin wanted to find a way to bring Helena and Diana back

[lyric tendon]

Mei's muscles are "made of cheat codes"
~Diana, Aberration

[lean fog]

serious question but if that's lore thing would mei yin have a 6 pack?

[lyric tendon]

She is not a westerner, i doubt she would have a "6-pack"

Most of her notes depicting herself abless IIRC

[bold dove]

What does having a 6-pack have to do with being western?

[lyric tendon]

Having a "6 pack" as a means of strength is a westerner belief

Asians dont see that especially back then where food is limiting, there is a belief (even now actually) where asking if you ate or a sign of gaining some weight is a positive thing

[bold dove]

Oh, okay that's fair.

Biologically, that's also fair. Because fat can help thicken you up, so vital organs are harder to reach via blunt force or slashes.

[lyric tendon]

It is harder to gain fat in her time

[bold dove]

Yeah, that make sense.

[lyric tendon]

It's a lot to learn when playing too much chinese games that somehow depicted the warring kingdoms, most of the time

makes me wonna replay the PSP version of Dynasty Warriors

[subtle axle]

What is everyone’s interpretation of Rockwell and Helena’s relationship?

I’ve seen a father and daughter dynamic or a mentor and apprentice dynamic

And the dreaded “ship”…

I personally like the psych ward patient and his nurse dynamic

[bold dove]

Personally, a Rockwell that appeared as a fatherly/mature friend to Helena, that became envious due to the idea of Helena gaining more information about the ARK behind his back, is what I think the notes originally where going for.

If you ever seen Steins;Gate, you'll know which relationship in that I think basically sums up Helena and Rockwell from the notes.

[subtle axle]

Yess!! The psych ward patient thing was mostly a joke. I like to think of them as good friends despite the age difference

He treats her as an equal even though she is younger because she’s got that big brain

[bold dove]

Yerp.
And he was fine with that, until Helena indirectly learned more about the ARK then he did.
And that made him question his own intelligence.

[subtle axle]

I miss them 💔💔💔 I remember playing ark when I was younger and collecting notes and thinking “oh my gosh they are best friends!!!!!!!!”

Who knew the horrors that would soon unfold

[bold dove]

Would really like someone like Stel or RedGear to theorize about an alternative timeline, of which Rockwell swallowed his pride and didn't allow the Blue Obelisk event dictate his entire character.
He he could've just accepted that he now has a friendly rival with Helena in knowledge. Then I wonder how events like Aberration would've played out with them still being friends.

[subtle axle]

Those kinds of thoughts always consume me because I love all the characters and their stories but also I get sad thinking about the guys and gals that died or turned into tentacle monsters

[lyric tendon]

Ngl massively different outcome but someone has to keep the collapsing ARK stable

[subtle axle]

I’ve drawn a few hypotheticals that I like such as if Rockwell was stopped the moment before he could become a lovecraftian horror or if he was somehow cured after and now has to deal with the weight of it all

[lyric tendon]

Lowkey would want Helena end up as an overseer of Ab to keep it stable due to her hidden compatibility (mentioned in Ext) while Rockwell be homo-deus due to gained knowledge from the Tek Tribe

If prideless rockwell scenario do happen, plus it makes the whole "Charlotte" thing more plausible

[subtle axle]

❌enjoying the ark lore for what it is
✅enjoying all the “what ifs”

I love hypotheticals

As much as I love the ark lore I love what we don’t have significantly more

[lyric tendon]

Like no shit, i have a fun scenario of "what if the Burning Phoenix ascended from SE to The Island" or "what if the New Legion ascended from The Island to SE"

Funny enough Ab can be easily be self contained and can go the canon way or anything else

Since no one from the island was there when Ab fell

[subtle axle]

Ark au but it’s just Rockwell hallucinating it all in the loony bin

[lyric tendon]

The ARK is all in Rockwell's imagination all this time

[subtle axle]

“I'm afraid you've made a fatal error in judgement, Survivor”
“Alright edmund let’s get you to bed”

[lyric tendon]

Lmao

"How many times i have to teach you old man.... that grape juice is not a drug"

[subtle axle]

He’s always getting into random shit and his nurse is like 10 minutes away from putting in her 2 weeks

The Edmundium is just a dried up rat he found under his bed

[lyric tendon]

That is such a comedy sketch waiting to happen

[lean fog]

i didn't mean as a means i was just curious on if it ever said how muscled she was tbh 😅

[bold dove]

The good ending.

[ornate hull]

Dumb question i was under the assumption that rockdrakes were naturally evolved from the radiation on aberration and I remember that from one of the original aberration discrimination but im seeing rock drake gargoyle on lost colony how would they know that rock drakes even exist?

*Aberration description

The only thing I can think of is the lost king has connections to the ark network and he saw them

[lyric tendon]

Red element shenanigans

[bold dove]

Because Aberration crashed nearby.

And they're dissecting them.

[still quartz]

Hear me out, rock drakes are named after rockwell, not because they climb on rocks 🤯

[trail loom]

there are corrupted rockdrakes on extinction and those couldnt have come from aberration also aberration crashed near arrat prime any ways and the lost king has a bunch of aberration creatures locked up in cages you can find during the boss mission

[lean fog]

i mean they coulda been brought to ext before we got there and that they just got loose and corrupted

[trail loom]

because iirc all their tames got killed by the titans?

the most likely awnser is there were rockdrakes on earth just like how there are wyverns somewhere to be corrupted I mean we only see a tiny bit of earth in extinction and there are corrupted creatures we never see the uncorrupted form from that they couldnt have brought with them which means there was likely populations of said animals on earth

[lean fog]

i mean some were bound to escape into wild or their riders died and KT etc chose to corrupt the creatures

[trail loom]

regardless of where the corrupted rockdrakes came from as has been stated aberration crashed near arrat prime any ways and they have been experimenting on creatures captured from the wreckage

[lyric tendon]

Remember there are proto-ARKs in ext, it is possible that those that have corrupted came from Sunken Forest but that is a theory that is still left unanswered eventhough LC could've have a chance to explain all of those but instead we have needless plot to rewrite the OG lore to fit TAS a supposed "non-canon" plot

[lean fog]

i'd like to think that there a hidden rock drake nest somewhere and some get corrupted and moved to major spots

[lyric tendon]

The corrupted creatures can be remaked through an highjacked obelisk by either KT or the Hive Mind, no nest necessary

If you noticed corrupted creatures can materialize out of nowhere within your view if you stay too long in the badlands

It has a dedicated animation just for spawning unlike normal creatures that are just pop up from the sky

[compact zenith]

Fact

[trail loom]

tbh I dont think they really need to explain where certain corrupted creatures come from any ways especially since earth is huge and we only see a teeny tiny bit of it any ways

[heady socket]

Why is there daytime in Lost Colony? I thought the Earth's rotation had stopped as seen in Extinction

[main steppe]

The reseed protocol restarted its rotation

[trail loom]

its a shame they still didnt make it a permanent night map still though even with the reseed prococol that part of earth does go through monthly periods of unending night for a chunk of the year

[heady socket]

i might just turn off day night cycle and set my LC game to permanent night, the lost city looks cooler that way imo

[lyric tendon]

I mean it could be unforseen timing, and the moon being fucked that actually made the earth spin faster than normally would

In fact the earth SHOULD have a ring made of moon rock

[trail loom]

if theres one thing i think they should have explained that would be the shattered moon

like its raining down chunks of it on us in extinction

and just in general what happened to cause that to happen to the moon

[mental basin]

'The corrupted creatures can be remaked through an highjacked obelisk'

That is

Not even in the SLIGHTEST how that works, lol

[lean fog]

had a thought

did they allow some light in cause photosyntheis needed or was the barrier taking care of that via artificial light?

[lyric tendon]

Explain the actual popping up in existence then, it has a dedicated spawning animation for a reason

[bold dove]

Probably because it looked cool, as most things in ARK where made in the mindset of.

Same reason the moon is blown up, and 8 years later, we still have no idea to why.

[lean fog]

random thought but what if when element arrived it was bigger piece and it crashed into the moon?

[bold dove]

That would've been mentioned then by characters like Diana and Santiago.
Or by The One Who Waits when describing Element coming down to Earth.

[lean fog]

maybe but not like they planned everything in advance so 🤷

[bold dove]

Wildcard?

[lean fog]

cause only thing else can think of is maybe they jumped early with genesis ship and the moon was nearby?

[bold dove]

Could've also happened at any part during The Collapse.

Reality of the moon though, is that it was simply added in without the writer at the time (Marc Soskin) even knowing. Just because it looked cool.

[lean fog]

question is what are chances it happened during tek war? like they def had to have had space stuff to some extent

[bold dove]

What tactical advantage would there be of blowing up the moon?

[lyric tendon]

It doesn't explain Stel's reasoning tho

"Refuse to elaborate and leave" is not a helpful "counterpoint"

[lean fog]

maybe one side had a base there or both did and that or a weapon detonated due to combat or sabotage and that detonation devestated the moon?

[bold dove]

Again, what advantage?
What would one nation gain from shattering the moon?
If they where to take out any bases on it, they would use traditional (at the time) warfare, instead of WMDs.

We understand today that there'd be no benefit in blowing up the moon, only negatives.

It's why no nation has bothered making an actual military moon base yet.

[lean fog]

have you ever seen the movie the martian?

[bold dove]

Same reason why you barely see military bases in Antarctica.
They're neutral zones.

[bold dove]

The one where the dude is stranded on Mars?

[lyric tendon]

That is trying to recolonize a planet, not a moon

[lean fog]

yeah

i know but making a point

[lyric tendon]

Big difference

[bold dove]

We've already determined that the moon wouldn't be practical to terraform, or make livable.

[lean fog]

not the point i'm making

[bold dove]

My bad.

[lyric tendon]

1 mass
2 gravitational pull that affected earth

If we blew up mars, there is little effect on earth compared to the moon

[bold dove]

Also, fun fact. There's already laws IRL for space and colonizing planets.

[lean fog]

you guys know how they had to launch immediately? what if they were prepping the genesis ship to launch but the element was encroaching too fast and they had to launch early and that's why it took damage since maybe war drive or whatever it used occured near the moon

[bold dove]

TL;DR
No nation is allowed to own an entire planet. But can own a large percentage of the planets territory.

[lean fog]

so they expected to wait till moon passed but ran out of time and had to launch or risk not launching at all

[lyric tendon]

Unless WC hopefully decided to patch some plotholes rather than making more

There is no answer how the moon is cracked

[bold dove]

Like, I can see that. I don't disagree the Colony ship warped through the moon on accident.
But, we don't have any confirmation of this. And I'm hella salty that LC, the map they fucking removed the moon in Extinction to place it in LC, doesn't have any lore.

[lean fog]

maybe but it's something

[main steppe]

“Gee, Billy, I think we might’ve hit something back there.”
“Naaaaaaaaah, I’m sure it’s nothing.”
moon is exploded

[main elm]

Is purple element/edmundium which rockwell uses the same as the corruption’s element? If so, could rockwell technically control or at least assimilate himself into the corruption’s hive mind? Or am i being dumbB

[hollow creek]

probably

[bold dove]

Yes, they're both Unrefined/natural Element, and are the same thing.

Element is naturally volatile, radioactive, and Corruptive if left unchecked. Which is what Element Ore is.
Then it can be refined into a more safer, but still semi-hazardous Refined/blue Element. Which is basically what every other Element we use is. (normal in-game Element used for fuel/crafting is blue/Refined Element)
More or less Element that's kind of braindead, and disconnected from the hivemind. But if burned in a generator or weaponry, it can still produce spores for that Element to spread, and be grow unrefined Element.

[bold dove]

Also, for the second part. There's a theory that he already is, the moment he injects himself.
The theory suggests that most of his actions aren't his, and his actions are more fed to him, allowing him to think that he still has independents.
LC kind of alludes to this with Rockwell's inner monologue calling to him.

So, kind of?
He's technically would be part of the hivemind. But more of a oneway relationship, as the hivemind would know everything about him, but he doesn't know anything about the hivemind itself.

[main elm]

I mean that would make sense as to why it basically sounds like two different people inside of rockwell up until he gives back into the element

Oh wait you said that XD

[bold dove]

Yeah, that was likely his intrusive thoughts/instincts made literal manifested into his head as a separate personality.
Which that new personality was likely being told what to say by the hivemind.
With the voice in his head acting as the middle man between Rockwell himself, and the hivemind.

[main elm]

Ah alright, thanks for the clarification

[umbral field]

re: the moon iirc it was just something cool that wasn't explained internally, so idk if they actually have an explanation aside from the fact that the war somehow did it 😄

from the old writer's ama "The moon was never mentioned in the notes because I never planned on it, actually. Sorry I can't offer a better explanation! I can't speak to the reason, but it showed up in the ascension cutscene one day, and there it stayed."

[dull harness]

so what is arat if arat prime is the far side of earth lost colony takes place on?

[hollow creek]

arat is the new planet

[dull harness]

oh so they did find a new one and thats where ark 2 will be right?

[hollow creek]

yup

that' what the end of gen2 is about

[dull harness]

alr i was just a bit confused with the arat and arat prime part ty

[lean fog]

yeah alot of us think it's like the whole reapers and saren indoctrination thing and his "helena i'm scared" etc is element basically abandoning him before his death triggers a 2nd stun like what happened to the KT hivemind lynchpin

[umbral field]

"RELEASING CONTROL."

I always felt bad when Harbinger's glow left that last dude's eyes and he "wakes up" just to realize he's about to die alone

[lean fog]

ye ye like element makes him think it's subservient to him when in reality it's giving him idea he's the element god

[dawn cove]

Moon go boom

[iron turret]

why is there day and night on lost colony, i thought the earth was locked

[lean fog]

uh nope

it's been 1k years since ext so the rotations begun

[bold dove]

Not after Extinction

[bold dove]

Rotation started back up during the ending of Ext.

[lean fog]

that's what i mean

wonder how long it took let alone how it somehow stopped rotation or that stopping element returne said rotation tbh

[bold dove]

Helena describes it in riddles

But basically, Element dig all the way through the Earth's crust, and its tendrils held onto Earth's core, and froze it over.

Destroying Element removes the literal grasp.

[lean fog]

still seems weird it started back up since would think it being frozen wouldn't magically start up like uncoiled spring

[bold dove]

Everything in ARK is magical and unscientific.

Reseed Protocol somehow instantly jump started the core.

[lean fog]

wouldn't be shocked if they were programmed to all tranfer energy in specific way to do it but magitech is magitech 🤷

[maiden egret]

But if element remained near Arat Prime, wouldn't the Earth still be blocked

[umbral field]

nah the reseed protocol still started either way

They never really explained the earth rotation thing aside from to hint that the Arks also provided a second electromagnetic shield with the main one MIA from no rotation so... presumably "it's all fixed! woo" handwave mode

[maiden egret]

Also why is the time period after Extinction Necrocene? Wouldn't it make sense for it to be the one before the Reseed Protocol?

Unless it's both

[dawn cove]

Tbh I really wish we got to explore it before the reseed protocol.

Tbh I kinda wish they changed it were they need to beat both the king titan and then lost king in order to complete the reseed protocol. Then abberation came down and ruins everything again. Rock well goes after the super link and then gen happens

Think it would be better. Plus Mei yin could still be the lost queen. The only thing I see .missing is Rockwell but Rockwell doesn't have to be a key character in every map.

[dawn cove]

The way I see it the necrosene is the what the lost called that point in history vs what Helena called it the Post-Holocene

Because I highly doubt they were on the same page. Like how some parts of the world don't follow BC AND AC. Hell some parts have different times of year.

The lost had their own issues and as far as I know. There wasn't any society or even people around on Extinction. The only notes we see are from. The crew that came down

[lean fog]

i mean technically reseed still worked there was just a pocket near surface being shielded

[dawn cove]

True but that's the part I dislike its a small pocket of the earth that wasn't cleaned up. But that's a me issue

I just think the story was very mid

[lean fog]

think the shield is preventing it from doing anything which prob why the moment that shield flickers and starts failing bam

[north bear]

Question: in extinction did we kill the forest titan

Because recently I read that the forest titan can’t die as long as the forest exist

[hollow creek]

we do kill all titans

[hollow creek]

where did u read that?

[north bear]

On an extinction note

[hollow creek]

remenber wich?

[north bear]

Idk

[north bear]

I found it in the middle of nowhere in the sunken forest

[north bear]

It is the 20 of the one who waits

[north bear]

I sent it by dm

[hollow creek]

if we didn't clear element of the planet it would prob reform then

[north bear]

Ok

[north bear]

Wait do the titan die because they eat the corruption the king titan give them?

[hollow creek]

no, they made of element

[north bear]

(I think that Because once we get them out they starve)

[north bear]

Ok

[north bear]

So our titan die after killing them

That sad

[hollow creek]

i see us taming them as severing their conection to the hivemind, no conection no replenishing energy from it

[north bear]

That logical

[north bear]

What is the in game reason for the fact that we can kill more than once the other titan

And why do we need tribute

?

[north bear]

Btw I am talking about extinction boss only

[hollow creek]

the element hivemind is just regeneration it's generals after they fall

[north bear]

Ok

[north bear]

And why the tribute?

[lean fog]

stuff like owls and mana can see not dying cause they're not corrupted but feel like your tamed titans would be purged when reseed hits

[north bear]

Well yeah

[north bear]

Enforcer would not die

[hollow creek]

idk, proving u are worthy of challenging the king

[lean fog]

i mean yeah they're robots not element

[north bear]

Maybe

[lean fog]

or you're baiting it

telling it you're a threat and it's next

[north bear]

They are made of element and use elements

[lean fog]

imagine if you try and challenge the KT and it just says no and sends massive hoard of corrupted wyverns and bbq everything

[north bear]

Btw normal element wasn’t destroyed

[north bear]

Yeah

[hollow creek]

i said i didn't know, most ingame stuff has little lore explanation

[north bear]

I think that because they’re still element in gem 1 and 2

[lean fog]

i mean tbf element as long as it's kept purified is fine

[lean fog]

i'm talking about baiting the KT not you baiting it 😓

[lyric tendon]

i think there is a big timeline between the corruption and the establishment of the lost

having "post-holocene" and "necrocene" be seperate major event makes sense

"post-holocene" can be an era after the Tek War and the rise of corruption

[floral sedge]

What’s the reason for the moon being blown up?

[hollow creek]

it just kinda is blown up

nothing inlore explains it

cool visual for island ascention that just stuck

[bold dove]

Because the art team thought it looked cool back in 2017, and it stuck

That is, unironically the only confirmed reason so far.

[lean fog]

as cool as headcanon of gen ships warp launch damaging the moon for all we know the earth suddenly stopping it's rotation meant the moon was still going and sudden stop meant it got torn cause physics is brutal

[bold dove]

How would Earth suddenly coming to a halt destrtoy the moon? (which mind you, would still have to take years. Since a literal instant holt would be so fucking jarring for everything on the planet, that everything would be thrown. Including entire cities)

[lean fog]

i mean who's to say there isn't entire cities that got thrown

either that or arat prime used some force to tidally lock the moon in place tractor beam style

[bold dove]

Sanctuary and Arat Prime would not be up.

Also doesn't explain why the moon would be shattered from Earth becoming tidally locked.

[lean fog]

it a bad theory but getting bad idea out means more likely for good ones

[main steppe]

Maybe king titan was taking a nap and the moon woke him up, so he threw an element meteorite at it

[rain spade]

Idk if I am remembering wrong but isnt extinction always day? If thats the case shouldnt lost colony be always night?

Also whats up with the timeline? Wasnt lost colony supposed to bridge the lore gap between ext and gen? I am very confused as to whats happening in ark lore

[bold dove]

No, it shouldn't.

Because Earth is no longer tidally locked.

[rain spade]

How long is the gap in between?

Timewise

[bold dove]

Did you not play LC?

[rain spade]

I did but I was not too focused on lore

More on finding rat holes and base spots

[bold dove]

Intro says 1,037 A.R.

[rain spade]

Which is after ext right?

[bold dove]

After Reseed

[rain spade]

Whats a basic timeline based on maps?

[bold dove]

What do you mean?

[rain spade]

Like island, scorched, ab, ext, gen 1, gen 2 etc

[bold dove]

Oh, like the canonical amount of time we spend?

[rain spade]

No like what comes first and after

[bold dove]

Oh, the chronological order.

[rain spade]

Yea

[bold dove]

The Island - Scorched Earth - Aberration - Extinction.
Giant ass time jump.
Genesis 1-2
Slight time jump.
Lost Colony.

[rain spade]

Ohh ok

That makes sense but also confuses me

Because whats with the whole codex?

[bold dove]

Yeah, that's basically everyone that cares about the lore.

[bold dove]

Funky ass shit that they made up just now, that's the device that can bring back any creature that's catalogued. Including humans.

Basically it's the thing that the ARK's use to tell what creature/person has been stored, and can be brought back.

[rain spade]

So is that whats needed for the whole scene that we saw in gen 2 for ark 2 with vin diesel or is that a seperate thing like what we saw with santiago (I think it was santiago at least) in LC?

[bold dove]

In the first ARK-2 trailer?

[rain spade]

Also vin is santiago but ignore that

Yea where they had the whole odst like drop onto the planet

[bold dove]

If you're talking about the thing he turns off. I think that was just a respawn pod or some shit that he turns off.
Because dude is extremely anti-Tek now. Or some shit like that.

[bold dove]

Oh that thing.

Think those where emergency drop pods.

[rain spade]

For what reason is the person who is so advanced he only knows tek now against the sole thing that saved his companions?

[bold dove]

Because Tek runs on Element, and Element caused an apocalyptic event that brought them to the planet in the first place.

[rain spade]

But it also brought back life and can constantly bring back life. Although I can see the whole "we shouldnt play god" thing there

[bold dove]

Some may be able to use it reasonably.
But that's like saying we shouldn't tear apart our nuclear arsenal, just because a few handful of people can use them responsibly.
All it takes is one bad miscommunication, or accident, to cause an Element war 2.0.

[rain spade]

True

What an odd storyline just for it to be a metaphor/parallel for nuclear technology

[bold dove]

It's more of a metaphor for war and oil usage polluting the planet IRL.

Corruption pollutes everything it touches, and is a black metalic tendril that almost looks like tar.

[rain spade]

I see it

[lime summit]

New to the game but honestly enjoy ark survival evolved more then ascended any tips since im new? Built me a wood house surrounded by spikes and 1 gate on each end not much so far any tips? Im on the island for a map

[main steppe]

Wrong chat, gameplay related talk is for #ark-survival-ascended and #general

[hard sun]

So there is I think a big plot hole that Wildcard needs to address.

After we secure the Codex, we are taken directly to the colony ship, starting the events of Gen 1. The entire point of LC is to explain how we got onto the colony ship, right?

But at the end of Gen 2, Santiago wakes up as the ship is self-destructing above the new planet and in the LC intro, Santiago, Helena & Friends™ are already there, but we are not.

[bold dove]

Nope, we're directly taken to Arat, the ARK-2 planet

The events of Genesis already long happened by the time LC happens.

[hard sun]

Has it ever been addressed who the Survivor in Gen1/2 is?

[bold dove]

Nope

We'll see if they do for Genesis 1 ASA.

[hard sun]

Another thing, we know Rockwell was granted passage to the colony ship but was this before we were brought back by Helena or while we were out in the wastes doing what we do best

[bold dove]

Long before.

[hard sun]

By the time we get to the end of Gen 2, Rockwell is so completely fused with the ship that his death caused it to go kaboom

wait, ignore that. nvm

Hopefully... he isn't the big bad of Ark 2

[bold dove]

Did you watch LC's ending?

[hard sun]

There was absolutely foreshadowing being done in the ending.

[bold dove]

Yep

[hard sun]

Yep. There's a fragment of him laying dormant in whatever they sealed away.

[bold dove]

"Somehow, Rockwell returned"

[hard sun]

But they need it to bring us (and Mei Yin) there.

[bold dove]

Just fucking allow him to stay dead, for fucks sake.

[hard sun]

but if he's a digital copy, and a super fragmented one at that, could it be possible he gets printed out of that machine there? I'd like to think that at least for the base game the native inhabitants of that planet will be our biggest problem.

[bold dove]

Just give us a new antagonist.

[hard sun]

It's just interesting cuz if they do bring him back for Round whatevernumberthisistbh, there's no Element there for him to manipulate.

[bold dove]

🐟

So, the Eden ring was contaiminated with Element, but the Styders where keeping it regulated.
Now that they're likely gone, and if the ring crashed, there's nothing stopping the small amount of pollution on the ring to get out of hand.

[hard sun]

dont forget that other, very contaminated and mutated ring

[bold dove]

That got blown up

[hard sun]

certainly some of that must have found its way into the planet's gravity

[bold dove]

Not if it was being pulled by the larger celestial body that Arat is orbiting around.

[hard sun]

That's fair.

[main elm]

So regarding bob’s tall tales, im assuming bob saying santiago sacrificed himself against the titan was to make him seem cooler to meeka? Because we literally see the original set of survivors enter cryosleep in one of the cut scenes

I guess it’s tall tales for a reason

[hard sun]

He really did sacrifice himself so that the others in that group could escape.

It's in Extinction's lore. He along with the other Survivors who escaped Aberration had set up camp somewhere (forgot the exact name) and the Titans attacked them.

[lean fog]

the santiago that died protecting others is not same one that is in ark 2 and it is camp omega iirc

[bold dove]

That happened in the notes way before BTT came out

Santiago does canonically died during the Ext notes that released all the way back in 2018.

[main elm]

In bob’s tall tales he makes it seem like santiago defeated the KING titan

[bold dove]

He sacrifices himself to hold off the King Titan, and the other titans that where coming towards Camp Omega.

[bold dove]

Oh, well yeah. That part is bullshit

The One Who Tries Again kill it

[main elm]

The one who tries again is such a good name

[bold dove]

I personally dislike it. But it's the official allies for our character.
Also "The" Survivor.

[lean fog]

there's a reason he calls it tall tales

[bold dove]

And why the next pack is "True Tales"

[lean fog]

it's just b.s he's telling meeka so true tales prob gonna be what actually happeneds during gen 1/2

[heady pulsar]

Wonder if he'll cover what went down in the sims

[main steppe]

The true tales are just Bob sitting on a couch watching movies in the simulation, which is how he came up with the tales for his tall tales

[lean fog]

imagine if bob was one of the people who ended up out of the sim and he was one of the few survivors of the take over by rockwell

[dusk agate]

What if... Hear me out... All of ark is..

A game

[wet yew]

Nah that can’t be right

[main elm]

Isnt it just THE survivor who takes out rockwell

[lean fog]

it'd be cool idea tbh

[lyric tendon]

no it's the reseed protocol lmao

neither mei nor the survivor really took down rockwell because he kept alive by the ARK's system

[bold dove]

Technically, it's neither. As Ab Rockwell died on impact.

[lyric tendon]

which is part of that reseed protocol lmao

[bold dove]

True

[terse obsidian]

someone tell me all ark lore plz

[north bear]

Ok

[north bear]

Meteorite give element

Men use it for war

Element corrupt the earth

Men go in to ark to wait it out (the ark) and go find other planet(genesis project)

In island ark Helena spawn in there there where nerva, Rockwell and mei yin

Mei yin go in aberration ark after killing Nerva

Rockwell and Helena go in scorched earth ark

After some thing Helena and Rockwell go from scorched to aberration

There she meet the tek tribe and Mei yin

In tek tribe there was Santiago

Rockwell infused himself with elements and killed almost all the tek tribe (Mei yin and Helena were gone)

Mei yin fight Rockwell and beat him then go back to earth(extinction)with Helena and Santiago

There to beat the titan Santiago created mek

And the mega mek fusion to beat the king titan (was a 5 person mek)

But the titan killed Santiago and ect

So Helena became an humodeus to save Mei yin

And to save the world she created us

She made us immortal

We beat the island gardian

The overseer

Killed the manticore

Kinda killed rock well

And then killed the titan

And finally we use a 1 person version of the mega mek and killled the king titan

This ended the corruption

[north bear]

The genesis project was going well

Until Rockwell came from the dead and took control of the ship

Nobody could stop him because everyone was in a simulation

But Helena homodeus transferred her consciousness into hlna

The character we play get out of the simulation (gen 1 end) and take a tek suit to go into Gen 2 and at the end he goes and destroy the genesis ship to kill Rockwell

That is pretty much the lore of ark

[north bear]

I would recommend you watch NeddytheNoodle video it is 2 hour but explain the lore way better than what I did

[dense ice]

you could, but theres also someone who spends half of their every waking moments scanning over this text channel who will correct your every possible mistake. and no, they dont get paid to do it.

that suffices too, if one doesnt want to watch that video 😳

[north bear]

If they were paid for it it would be worse

[dense ice]

nah at least then theyd be doing something with their life lol

its a lot more sad to just yap about ark lore for the rest of eternity

[north bear]

True

[lyric tendon]

I can't believe this is an official sticker lmao

[lunar dagger]

I’m all for it

[umbral field]

local tentacle man too angry to die

[lyric tendon]

Why i get pinged?

[mental basin]

You know, if you're so adamant on not being pinged, there's a setting to turn it off

Or your Status
Or Bio, or name

(Probably won't be seen if it's in your Bio though)

[lyric tendon]

If people get pissy with random (a)everyone ping, then it's reasonable to get pissy at unwanted pings

Also off-topic

[night quartz]

I look down at people who get angry at discord pings

[lean fog]

there's one thing i always wondered

all the maps got a canon size but did we ever find out how big gen 2 ship actually was on the ring sections we were on? like i know someone said it was one of the biggest ones cause of what was intended but never found out the info

[bold dove]

Think Genesis 2 is decently accurate to its size. Since we only play on 1/10th of the entire rings, and the interior of the ship itself we never got to fully see outside of Terminus.

The ARK's are likely slightly bigger though canonically.
But Extinction is 'the' map that the canonical size is abhorrently large versus the game version.

[lean fog]

i know rag is 144km² but wasn't sure if gen 2 ingame was bigger or not tbh cause the arks being that size prob just area we get to be in vs lore but was curious about gen 2 cause we know neither lore or ingame size

[bold dove]

Think Genesis 2 is the biggest map ASE had.

[north bear]

Fjorder

[floral sedge]

What do yall think red element tastes like

Funny sticker lol

[shell mural]

so what was the context for the start of Ase

I kinda skipped it

[bold dove]

The Island's intro?

[compact zenith]

Blood with some electric shock?

[north bear]

Metal

[bronze turtle]

Wait so lost colony does not play, between extinction and gen 1? Or is it only Mey Yins Cutscene that plays between extinction and gen 1 and the player is awaken much later to save her (Sorry for the late reply I’m just reading through to learn something about the lore)

Wtf the lore is so interesting, I’m just reading through this whole chat ahahah

[fallow sapphire]

lost colony is set long after extinction (and apparently genesis according to recent interviews). And even Mei's cutscenes dont take place between ext and gen 1, but between the note survivor's story and our story

[shell mural]

Mhm

[compact zenith]

you mean earth corruption by element?

[shell mural]

um

I meant like that being talking to us

saying how she is trapped I think

I skipped half way

[bronze turtle]

Oh interesting, good to know

[bold dove]

Random ghost lady contacts you, and wonders if you're "the one".
She's been trying for so long (with something) as 'they' keep getting stronger.
She tells you to learn, tame, and master this environment.

[shell mural]

I have to be the master builder

[hushed ravine]

Finally listened to all of the notes, this dlcs story is both great and terrible

[lean fog]

yeah

[hollow creek]

Yup

[lyric tendon]

ye

[subtle axle]

Erm can anyone tell me the lore of Rockwell after the aberration falls? I know he’s like falling asleep in wreckage but I’m mainly curious of what he looks like cause I have an after crash design for him but not sure if it explicitly states if he’s normal or kinda freaky

I also can’t lock in and watch a lore video right now

I just wanna know if I can strike him with body horror or not

Just remembered that I don’t care and I can strike him with body horror if I want

[north bear]

I think that gen Rockwell would easily have body horror

[lean fog]

rockwell got his body back and think's he's free from element corruption(he's not) then he ends up going to the genesis ship and spending time trying to corrupt it slowly in and dies in gen 2

[lyric tendon]

the one who dies again XD

[lyric tendon]

what is that have to do with the lore?

[lean fog]

speaking of lore gotta wonder i can understand reapers being on LC cause AB ark landed nearby but is there any lore reason why ravagers drakes and yi lings and all other creatures there never made it to arat prime? cause all i can think of is just case of gameplay and to not overshadow newer stuff

[compact zenith]

He spammed it in each channel, just braindead guy

[lyric tendon]

🌈 gameplay🏳️‍🌈 👐🏽🧽

if they allow it in LC, there is no use having AB as a map

[mental basin]

Durrr buy the DLC durr

[lyric tendon]

wrong convo

[mental basin]

Lol I saw that

[lyric tendon]

forgor to check replies

[lean fog]

true but could you at least imagine revenant ravagers? woulda been interesting thing to see but sadly gameplay reasons say no

[subtle axle]

Yay thank you

He may be safe from element but he’s not safe from the crash…

I have the perfect idea…

[snow seal]

When does Lost Colony take place in the timeline?

Part of the story is before and part is after, but the part that the player is actually playing is after Genesis. In fact, it's a thousand years after Genesis. Genesis happens very similarly in time to Extinction. We provide "AR" and "BR" timestamps on the screen in some cinematics. BR means Before Reseeding, and AR means After Reseeding. Helena's original timeframe is about 1,000 BR. Then, a thousand years after Helena's human time, the player is doing Scorched Earth, Aberration, and Extinction on the Arks. Saving the world by completing the Reseed Protocol is basically 0 AR. Rockwell ends up on the Genesis seed ships months after the Reseed Protocol happened on Earth.

A thousand years after that is when the player's timeframe in Lost Colony is happening. We refer to that as 1037 AR. That's happening at the same time as things are happening in the ARK 2 story. Those sequences on the world of ARK 2 with the Meeka character are concurrent with the player's actions in Lost Colony. So, there are really three timeframes: 1,000 BR (Helena's time), 0 AR (the original ARK trilogy and Genesis), and 1,000 AR (the timeframe for both Lost Colony and ARK 2). We've separated those by a thousand years because we want a lot of things to have happened between the Reseed Protocol and the world of ARK 2. A lot of that will be built out so enough time has passed that people don't really remember what happened. It has receded into myth and legend, kind of like Planet of the Apes.

[snow seal]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-3584473422170938815

[low tide]

Huh
Nifty

[north bear]

Yay Lore drop

[cinder night]

sadly the lore drop doesnt explain all the lore breaks

[north bear]

I would really need to get back on the ark lore

[hushed ravine]

The lore drop is nice but I still believe that the story being a direct link to ark 2 instead of genesis 1 was probably the worst story decision of lost colony

[mental basin]

Pssst, check your DMs 😛

[mental basin]

And not like, completely removing Diana from the narrative?

[hushed ravine]

That one is pretty bad

There were a few bad decisions in this dlcs story

[hushed ravine]

It sucks that Diana isn’t present in lc but I think in universe there is at least a reason she isn’t there, I think it’s safe to assume she may have died as a result of the megamek since she took on about 70% of the control when it was ideally 4 people taking 25% each, and that resulted in her death. But I just think helenadeus leaving it until 1000 years later to finish the reseed protocol and transfer the codex to the colony ship when it’s existence and purpose was known from at least 1000AR is kinda pointless, especially with lc revealing she wants to bring back Diana and others from the arks on Arat

[mental basin]

That's just not the case

Like she was alive well after the Mek

And nothing even implies she died

She's just treated like she was never brought back after Aberration

Which is beyond baffling

[hushed ravine]

It’s been awhile since I went over Diana’s notes and I remembered her looking worse in her only cinematic appearance but yeah no indication of what I assumed, mb

[lyric tendon]

"here's your fan service, aaaaand i killed it"

LC cinematics are just "here.... now can you just shut up about Diana already"

[hushed ravine]

They really did just want vampire Mei and left Diana as an after thought

[bold dove]

So then will the Genesis Survivor be canonically a whole separate character?

[hollow creek]

Should be, since LC had the barrier up

[bold dove]

What does that have to do with the timeline?

[hollow creek]

Rockwell only got inside LC at year 0 AR cause his ark crash landed.
If the shield had been there since post genesis ship launch to keep corruption out.
I doubt it was a keep only corruption out shield.
So the Extinction survivor would have needed to breach the shield faced the lost king and get uploaded.

It could still be the "same" character, if Helena deus pulled up that survivors specific engram matrix out of the LC codex, just without the memories of the arks

[bold dove]

We directly can spawn where ever The System is tied to, it seems. As proven in LC.
So there'd be no reason why we couldn't in theory spawn on the Genesis ship as The One Who Tries Again.
I would just like some form of conformation if the Genesis survivor is or isn't the same protagonist. Since it'll likely be four-six months till we get that answer.
And LC 'should've' been that answer that people have been asking for years.

[hollow creek]

Is the respawn system the one who wait made still even active? It was made to work in the arks, they all finished they purpose 1000 years ago from right now.
I don't think we even have a explanation on why the respawn works on extinction.
Does the respawn system just work on sanctuary cause?

LC really pulled the same move Genesis did, leaving it open ended

[lean fog]

seems iffy

cause if genesis happened around time of 0AR feel like wouldn't santiago and the others who were ejected from exploding ship be fossils by now?

[hollow creek]

Yeah

I think they forgot about that detail

We had a small time frame for how long Rockwell was on the genesis ships systems before he revealed himself

But even then it can't take into account the 1000

[lean fog]

like it taking rockwell a thousand years to sieze control over the ship i can see since it's not damaged and if he started small enough by time system and people overall noticed he was too entrenched and it began the slow but sure push to get control of the ship which he achieved just before we killed him

[hollow creek]

also was it ever explain why we have implants in genesis?

like did the crew have them?

was there any image of the dirt geologist wrist?

[lean fog]

honestly i'm fine with ark 2 and LC taking place a thousand some years after extinction it's just genesis seems weird cause implies santiago and others don't really age if it was 1k years ago

[north bear]

Maybe it will be explained in legacy of santiago

[lean fog]

isn't that basically taking place on arat like a prequel so to speak?

[north bear]

Yeah

[north bear]

I understood it was an ark 2 try

[bold dove]

Likely, since we see that Arat human skeleton having a implant

[royal skiff]

Job

[north bear]

What?

[snow seal]

you'll have one some day, lil buddy

[subtle axle]

A hungry man thinks of bread

[young karma]

"The end of the ARKs, the Genesis of a new saga."
Looks inside
One thousand years after Genesis

Bruh

Also doesn't this imply Santiago and co have been on Arat Prime for a thousand years

Was bro familymaxxing so hard everyone just didn't age?

[hollow creek]

yeah, i think they missed that detail

[mental basin]

Why is Dollie in this chat now, stop it

I'm scared

[hollow creek]

dollie becoming a lore nerd

[north bear]

Who is dollie?

She is wild card boss

And not snail boss right

[hollow creek]

she's the community manager for WC

[north bear]

Ok

[broken pendant]

day 4 asking @snow seal why i lost my xp on my 195 to a 97. please restore my xp i have proof i was a 195 or is there any fix being worked?

[mental basin]

Ask it somewhere that isn't #lore-nerdz.

[lyric tendon]

that is above her paygrade

[north bear]

How does one get corrupted

[north bear]

The only wrong Chat

[lyric tendon]

#lc-guidelines-contest

[north bear]

Well I guess I will stay normal

[broken pendant]

i would say its part of the lore

[floral sedge]

It takes place yesterday
Source: trust me bro 💯

[floral sedge]

I CatsareourGods definetly said this and can confirm you can trust me

💯

[umbral field]

i wish they'd said lost colony just takes place right after extinction and we only wake up on the genesis ship 1k years later. long-term light beam upload 😭

[umbral field]

So how do you all imagine your Survivors died after Extinction? Mine was hammering on the LC dome going "ROCKWELL, LET ME IN" and froze to death

[tired mantle]

I imagine, much like the ability to respawn, survivors were granted the inability to age. Or, much like the player, Helena/HLNA/Homo-Deus Helena is still allowing important individuals the ability to respawn on death, assuming their [relatively intact] genetic data is still somewhere within the arks' memories [codex?] Which might be how rockwell ended up on/in gen I/II. The survivors are software just as much as they are hardware. Anyone with an implant is practically having their memories bluetoothed to the obelisk/codex/tek transmitter/etc. Kind of like a hard drive with an EHD on a dead-man's-trigger.

[umbral field]

She mentions in Extinction that it's the Arks that give the "power" to revive the survivors, and that'll be gone post-Reseed (idk how it works in LC...) and she apologizes, plus in LC we're a clone anyway so we've definitely kicked the bucket at some point

[tired mantle]

But that still doesn't explain santiago.. unless they're redoing Santiago or something. Unless this is a third santiago.. since there have already been two now.

Maybe santiago just has strong genetics and that's like Santiago X or some shizz.

[umbral field]

You're very right, it does not explain it lol. there was already a different santiago clone with altered memories from the original "blueprint" on the genesis ship, so we always assumed it was him... and even if we "beamed up the codex" it still shouldn't be santiago with his memories of ab/extinction, same with diana and mei yin.

there's a lot of lore oopsies at the moment by looks

[tired mantle]

Not to mention there's a child that can see visions of a woman who may or may not actually be there, which doesn't help things. I thought most homodeus would be gone after 1,000 years. Maybe she's in the codex. Idunno.

[umbral field]

dang i just realized canonically any thralls you've, uh, "befriended" just straight-up get murdered at the end of the dlc huh?

[hollow creek]

more or less

[bold dove]

Not murder if you're not the direct cause.

(for legal purpose, this is a joke.)

[umbral field]

would it be considered involuntary thrallslaughter

[bold dove]

Well, this is assuming the law falls under them.
They're not homo-sapiens, so I don't know if the law would take that into account or not.

[last fern]

Please write a story for all these fantasy maps.

Instead of Atlantis being "non-canonical" you could instead group the ancient themed maps together (Astreous, Svartalfheim, Dragontopia, Crystal Isles, Atlantis) and issue a new story. Re-skin tech as wizardry to make it coherrent.

Some of the mechanics you've already started playing with (e.g. the RPG abilities) would complement this nicely - the LC rpg-stuff is all vampire powers but you could add a seperate powers set for the fantasy maps. Maybe even several or one per map. Make it a cluster config option as to whether all this stuff works across the entire cluster or whether fantasy stuff stays on fantasy maps and tech stuff stays on tech maps.

[hollow creek]

what ancient theme does CI have?

[lyric tendon]

CI and Astreos/Svartalfheim are not made by the same person

i doubt they will have any "lore coherence" aside from the theme of "fantasy map"

tbh that is the beauty of modded sandbox games

just make the lore yourself

[main steppe]

Making lore for those maps would also require hiring a writer, teaching said writer the Ark lore, and having them come up a ton of stuff for the map that fits within the pre-existing Ark lore

Maps like Fjordur would also be disqualified because the obelisks are different there

[lean fog]

hey guys i noticed something

Continue the journey of Bob and Meeka after the events of Lost Colony, as they seek out the Evercave where ancient secrets have been buried.

On the world of Arat, old legends never die, with all being revealed as Bob and Meeka's journey reaches an end.

[hollow creek]

yes

[lean fog]

does this mean the whole bob showing up to meeka and helena to help them with the codex thing etce etc is gonna take place before the game of ark 2 timeline wise?

[hollow creek]

maybe, looks like it
but i this point i'm completly lost in what they trying to do for ark2's lore

[main steppe]

I think what’s happening is that as Bob is telling the stories to Meeka as she, him, and Helena are looking for the evercave, which if I had to guess is where the codex is.

[lean fog]

bruh tried copy pasting info of the legecy of santiago so maybe whatever lurks down there wakes up and we gotta fight em before next game happens

[main steppe]

It’s just Rockwell in pajamas and a little hat like Scrooge snoring away.

[arctic bison]

didn't David Tennant also voice Scrooge Mcduck?

[meager whale]

I'm confused on the timeline of where Lost Colony takes place

Ik all notes take place before gen 1, but the fact Helena is speaking to us while on Arat is confusing me. Does LC take place after Gen 2, or is it some weird homodues time displacement thing?

[bold dove]

It takes place after Gen2.

[meager whale]

So I'm guessing the LC survivor is the respawned Extinction survivor. And the Genesis survivor is still up to the player to decide if its the same one or a different one

[bold dove]

Yeah, Helena states we're the ones who helped bring down the ARK's 1,037 years ago.
Though, with her describing it like that's our last thing we did. The Genesis Survivor might be a new character.
Or, they might pull some funky shit like they did with Rockwell, and make it that we're a different clone of The One Who Tries Again, just without any previous memories.

[meager whale]

Yeah wasn't that the case with Santiago? Like the one at the end of gen 2 has no memories of what he did from AB to EX

[bold dove]

Yeah, something something "respawned again" something something.

[meager whale]

Personally I like the idea its the same survivor through all the maps. Lets me hand wave how I have my ascension levels. Like when Helena zooms over to the ship, she drags the player with her or something

[bold dove]

It would make sense.
Helena would be a fucking idiot not to send the experienced survivor to the Colony ship to deal with Rockwell.

But we'll see what Wildcard does.

[meager whale]

I don't think Helena knew he was on the ship at the time, she just went to make sure the misson went well

[bold dove]

The non-Darius notes are all over the place in LC. So my standards aren't that high.

[bold dove]

Pretty sure that's literally the reason why we're chosen in Gen1.
To get out of the simulation, and stop Rockwell

[meager whale]

Also I'm not sure how to feel about Rockwell being the potential boss of Legacy of Santiago. I'm guessing he won't have a presence in Ark 2. Probably a finally putting him down kind of deal. Like that would make it 4 times we'd have to fight Rockwell

I mean the DLC aint out yet, so this is just my guess

[bold dove]

(even though that was the entire fucking point of Genesis2.)

The only way I'll accept this, is if it's some wack ass shit of the Corruption taking over his body as a puppet.
Yet Rockwell himself is consciously dead.

[meager whale]

I had no problem with him being in Genesis, it was just super confusing on how he got there

I enjoy Rockwell as a character and David's VA work

[meager whale]

If he is the boss of Legacy he just screams at you, no words, just mindless wrath

[bold dove]

It has been explained how he got onto the ship. (pre-LC) But you need to go onto Twitter and read Peter Fries tweets.
Genesis was a perfect arc to purely focus on Rockwell and his ever growing ego. And finish his narrative arc.
Making him return, just ruins this.
Makes him feel less like an existential threat that was finally dealt with. And more of a fucking Saturday-morning cartoon clown.

[meager whale]

The Lost King was a lovely change of pace. Boss fight was also really cool

Makes me hope they remake the boss fights of both Gen 1 N 2, they weren't awful in ideas, but execution wasn't great

[bold dove]

I liked the Genesis bosses....

[meager whale]

Gen 1 was an overall headache, Gen 2 was kinda boring gameplay wise, ntm lag central

I liked them, but didn't feel super great to beat

[bold dove]

Besides the lag, that sounds like a skill issue.

[meager whale]

Gen 1 I struggled with, mostly cuz I play mainly singleplayer with no mods(Atleast back on xbox) Now on ASA I play with mods, but I don't use the mods during boss fights

Gen 2 was far too easy

[bold dove]

I also did Gen1 without mods.
Because I was on the Xbox One at that time.

[maiden egret]

probably will be so

it could be a copy of Rockwell that is simply made of corruption and isn't him

[meager whale]

Well in the LC notes he respawned as a man in the Abberation Wreckage, but the voice of AB Rockwell is still in there

[swift copper]

Guys is lost colony after genesis or before genesis?

[north bear]

1000 after

[north bear]

dollie said it

[swift copper]

Then why the hell is rockwell here

Rockwell just went boom boom and came to arat prime as a human?

[north bear]

This

[north bear]

I don’t know lc lore I didn’t play it

[swift copper]

Thanks

[wise atlas]

Rockwell's consciousness is uploaded into ARK's network, and part of aberration crashed onto the dark part of the Earth, but the details around this are pretty vague

[tough egret]

Rockwell is a human from earth who contributed at creating ARK?

[bold dove]

Not even in the slightest.

[tough egret]

uh mb i kinda forgot the lore

[bold dove]

How could he help create the ARK's, if he's from the 19th century?

[tough egret]

yea gg i didnt know about that, i still need to dig in lore

[meager whale]

I believe Helena had something to do with the dinosaur aspect, but that might just be an animated series thing

All the survivors in lore before Abberation are copies of fictional notable people from history. Maybes some random ones given I doubt they could get an engramic matrix of everyone. Would be funny if on one of the arks was just Einstein demolishing everything on a carcha

[bold dove]

Helena only made the dossiers. That's the height of her extent towards dinosaurs on the ARK's.

[bold dove]

Not everyone was notable.
The ARK's have catalogued every human throughout history.

[lean fog]

those poor college students just got extra suffering on ab 😓

[north bear]

They did not have any reason for the lore to suffer

[lean fog]

no but it was part of aberration lore

[swift copper]

This makes me think is there even the dictators,prophets or someones like them lol , imagine seeing adolf in ark the island with Fleischfresserinsel-reich

[mental basin]

1k yrs after Extinction, not Genesis.

[lean fog]

wonder what would be like if they have our character do gen 1 and 2 then LC ingame timeline wise even tho irl we've done LC first

[solemn linden]

Technically the opening of Lost Colony states that it is specifically 1037 years post Extinction, while Jeremy said in a recent interview that Lost Colony takes place a thousand years after Genesis specifically. So Lost Colony is actually a thousand years after Genesis.

Now, depending on if that thousand years is more of a rough, or exact timeframe, Genesis could take place anywhere within the 37 years immediately following Extinction.

[mental basin]

Lost Colony is not a thousand years after Genesis, because Jeremy talks outta his ass

He spent half of one interview calling Arat Prime 'Arat'

Well, then there's faster than light travel

[solemn linden]

Fair, but also Dollie pinned that bit of the interview in this channel so it seems like it may be what Wildcard is running with

[mental basin]

Heughh Dollie bring me your boss face to face so I can see the man who causes me so much anguish

Yeah, no, no it's right, I'm wrong, it's just confusing

Still better to day 1,000 after Extinction, though

Because people generally assume Genesis takes place way after Ext as-is

[solemn linden]

Yeah, and that way we wouldn't be cursed with immortal Santiago

[mental basin]

My name is Vindiago I am 1,067 years old, this is my alien wife I am extremely xenophobic but damn is she a fine piece of ass

[low tide]

Get out of here James Cameron

[mental basin]

Never ask a human supremacist what species his wife is

[solemn linden]

The power of family sustains him 😭

[bold dove]

Wait, so it 'is' 1,000 years after Genesis?

[lean fog]

that's what jeremy and some others said tbh which think just slip of tongue

no way in world santiago survived for 1k years etc

[solemn linden]

Based on what Jeremy has said, yes.

[solemn linden]

A slip of the tongue would be if he had just said the wrong name when he actually meant Extinction. If that were the case, he wouldn't have immediately doubled down, specifying that it is 1000 years after Genesis and that Genesis happens very similarly in time to Extinction.

At this point Santiago is either just straight up immortal, or there is something we don't know yet which will somehow make this make sense. Perhaps they're planning on changing the end cutscene of Gen 2 so that Santiago doesn't wake up until a thousand years later? (which still wouldn't make much sense but at least he wouldn't be immortal lmao)

[lean fog]

no way it took that long cause the ship was falling apart later

i could see maybe the paradise side of the ship was settling in above arat and eventually systems failed and it was slowly falling apart and thus falling to arat but eh dunno on that

[fresh venture]

I hate that they said this was the bridge between EXT and Gen 1 but they just throw in some random story

[north bear]

It is a bridge extinction and ark 2

[fresh venture]

bruh they legit said “Lost Colony is set after Extinction and fills in the missing story leading into Genesis Part 1.”

[north bear]

It was the old plan

[north bear]

But in the steam page it is clearly said that it is one for extinction to ark 2

Also

[north bear]

This

[fresh venture]

Thank you for proving my point they went off topic for a seperate bridge to a story that wasn't needed

[north bear]

Idk I didn’t play lc(because I am broke and I have recently bought bob

[fresh venture]

No worries. Lost Colony isn’t mandatory, the core discussion still stands.

[north bear]

Ok

[thin field]

Anyone have a underwater tower (turret tower) I could template for free if so could you thumbs up this message or pm me

[lean fog]

not really a lore comment but speaking of lore is there any reason why after 1k years the LK hasn't removed or at least reduced the corruption from fall of the aberration ark? cause assuming it mostly a gameplay reason

[hollow creek]

maybe he can't

it's poison to the red right?

[main steppe]

Yeah, I think canonically the only person who figured out how to purify Rockwell corruption was Rockwell himself, and he took that information with him

[umbral field]

This was killing me, he has all this advanced genetic editing... And, like civilization has been rebuilding for 1k years outside this stupid dome and they just didn't bother with it? They had such advanced tech to work with, like we KNOW they're starting off with tek and industrial forges and all that... and they just left it? I don't even think we can use the excuse that they might not have visited Antarctica being that when the dome goes down it's suddenly jungle, so we can assume the climate isn't a barrier...

Maybe he just doesn't want to lol. but i was picturing, like surely they'd be out there scrubbing it up at least...

Edit b/c i also wanna know why there's crash sites POURING element rivers from the top of a mountain, still, 1k years later 😭 like bro where's that even coming from

[main steppe]

Maybe he just likes the aesthetic

He DID make a giant cyber-gothic fortress, this man is clearly a bit extra

[umbral field]

lmfao yes. I love that, i'ma adopt that straight into my headcanon

the river's not radioactive b/c it's just dyed arsenic

[lyric tendon]

I mean it's Vin Diesel

He doesn't like nerdy characters that die with dignity lmao

[main steppe]

I do actually really like the idea of one of the pioneers of tek based weaponry being revived, and using (one of) his new lease(s) on life to try and save this new world (Arat) from the fate that befell his home planet

[umbral field]

it's a solid idea, it was already in with gen1/2 though and now it's just kinda muddled as to which Santiago this is. there was a separate clone of him on the gen ship w/o his ab/extinction memories but now it looks like he might have them somehow again if bob does?? wild stuff

[main steppe]

I just assume Ark 2 Santiago is Santiago with his memories of both the ship and Aberration + Extinction

They used a cloud save for his memories or something

[lean fog]

i mean nothing stopping them from just trying to kill all revenents from the air but i wouldn't be shocked if the aberration ark was still glitching out and producing corrupted 'survivors' out along with the ones from LK's infinite food glitch being corrupted on decent bases defending the land and the crash and subsequent damage means it's even more of death trap to be near

that and think only way he could purify them outright is the RS stuff but he sure as heck won't shrink his territory for that

[umbral field]

INTERESTINGLY I don't think the revenants are from the Ark, as much as it suggests as much--they're almost all wearing thrall armor, there's malwyns in there, and it says elsewhere (I think the Lost King's notes? I forget) that they're undead. zombie thralls lol

[lean fog]

maybe early on they were regular clones from the ark but overtime eventually that shut down mostly and they're in deadlock with thralls killing them and also being corrupted by em

[bold dove]

So that would mean every character is above 1,000 years old. Which is fucking dumb.

[hollow creek]

Family is IMMORTAL

[main steppe]

To be entirely fair

We do know that the life expectancy prior to the tek war was vastly extended

[bold dove]

Biological immortality is possible both in ARK, and in-theory IRL.
My issue with it, is unnecessary inflated time jumps.
Now we have a 1,000 year old Santiago, that's going to likely be written to be "cool" and "ancient" and "badass".

Also, feel like now Meeka 'has' to be born on Arat.
Since Meeka being 1,000 years old would be a bit weird.

[compact zenith]

They literally zombies, gene scanner or smth was showing me zombie instead of revenant

[umbral field]

oh nice, i thought so. crazy

[bold dove]

The revenants all thralls infected by the Aberrant Spreads.

[night quartz]

Officer I swear she told me she was over 1000 years old

[meager whale]

There was this weird education ark game on the switch, which I think a dev or one of the writers said it may not be lore heavy, it is connected to the ark story. Probably all the young survivors uploaded had a seprate section of the simulation where they were taught, and that may have been what Meeka was doing. Which would explain how she has an implant, cuz I doubt they'd be born with one

[bold dove]

Yeah, Dino Discovery.

Also, don't see why everyone thinks it's impossible for implants to be created on birth in a universe that defies existing logic.

[meager whale]

Well if she was born on Arat, and with Santiago at least the one on Arat has a heavy disliking towards tek. In the bobs tall tales notes Meeka states that he hates it, showing him bashing in a pod or something. Hates it cuz it is the thing that ruined the earth in the first place

So I doubt he'd cram an implant in her

[bold dove]

(which is ironic, because if we want to get technical. His technology, and indirectly himself contributed more in destroying Earth then the Corruption did. The Corruption just finished off what was an already dying planet)

[bold dove]

Who'd say he would?

Implants are shown to be biologically connected to our skeletons, as shown in the second ARK-2 trailer.

[meager whale]

At the end of gen 2 all those pods drop to the planet, so I'm guessing she just respawned like everyone else and "family" man looked for her

[bold dove]

They're physically fused, and seemingly grown outwards.

Heavy emphasis of the "seemingly".

[main mural]

it probably always comes with the clones

not something that needs to be "added"

[bold dove]

While not confirmed, it isn't far-fetch for a universe already batshit like ARK to have implants be biomechanical, and for some funky sci-fi shit to take place for future generations to be born with one.
They're suppose to be universal translators anyway. So without one, you'll get multi-languages, and with more languages, you'll have more culture blockages, as both cultures need to learn each others language.
And that can lead to more human errors, that can lead to conflicts.

[meager whale]

I feel like its the implant then the body is made around it. Since I think that's what contains the person's engram

Since each survivor is a clone, any children they may have after the arks return to the earth, they wouldn't be born with implants

[bold dove]

Yeah, likely created alongside clones.
Don't see a seperate machine just smashing an implant into a uncouncious survivor while after they're made.

[main mural]

that'd be funny tho

[bold dove]

Nothing stops the URE from doing funky magic shit, and allowing for minerals in the human body to form a more basic implant.

[bold dove]

Gives me Quake 4 vibes.

[main mural]

seeing how element was in the air. wouldn't be surprised if some gets into you and it can use that to make them.

[meager whale]

Fair point. ig its just one of those things I doubt we'll get an answer for. Cuz I don't think Ark 2 takes place all that long after Gen 2

So I doubt we'll be seeing anyone younger than Meeka

[bold dove]

Wouldn't be too surprised that every survivor has small traces of Element, purely by just being exposed to anything Tek related.

[bold dove]

Well, if the Jeremy interview is right. Then LC is set 1,000 years after Gen2.
Which LC is 'before' ARK-2.

[main mural]

so looking at the pin of genesis being 1000 years before us on lost colony.
wonder if that means that the genesis 2 ending cutscene will change, or~~ if ark 2 takes place way before lost colony~~ (it says during ark 2)

oh

so that would mean the ending cutscene will change

[meager whale]

1000 years after the arks came back to earth, still don't know how long since the ship blew up

[bold dove]

Thought Stel talked about that above.

[bold dove]

@meager whale

[main mural]

it says genesis happened right after the arks.

so 1000 years after rockwell dying is ark 2. very strange.

[bold dove]

Yeah, because you have the Rockwell LC notes that happen RIGHT after the crash, and once he teleports, you'd get the start of the Simulation corruption, and Helena would detect that and send in a survivor to deal with it.

[main mural]

simplest way to "fix" it would be to have the ship be in stasis for 1000 years before it launches the new clones to arat for some reason. but thats just if they want as little changes as possible.

[bold dove]

Why would it need to be in stasis?

[meager whale]

I don't feel like it was RIGHT after the reseeding

[bold dove]

Apperently, Jermey says otherwise.

[main mural]

it launches them right after the ship explodes. wouldn't make sense for 1000 year old santiago 😂

[bold dove]

He could be pulling shit out of his ass, as he likes to do that sometimes.

[main mural]

unless there is another

5th santiago anyone 😂

[bold dove]

Community: "please, just make a new fucking roste-"
Jeremy: "Five New Santiago's and Diana's"

[main mural]

I guess technically we don't see them launch until it switches POVs so it could be 1000 years between them.

we are just alone on arat 😂

[meager whale]

Ark 2 is said to take place 1k years after reseeding(After Extinction), and LC is the same. So there can't be that big of a gap between Gen 2 and Ark 2 without it being weird

[bold dove]

-Jeremy slaps a car.
"You can make 5 pointless iterations of the same character, with this bad boy"

[main mural]

they said gen 2 is right after the arks. I wouldn't give it that much time.

[bold dove]

The ship launched alongside the ARK's

[main mural]

the clone pods to arat

[bold dove]

o

[main mural]

it switches to santiago before we see them. so that'd probably be the 1000 year jump.

[bold dove]

The entire time jump just feels so unnecessary.

[main mural]

and also on our ship it says "auto dock initiated" so that would mean we actually go back to the genesis ring not land on arat.

[lean fog]

ngl only way i see the delay in the deployment of survivors is if the eden part of ark was in orbit but the orbit changed and pieces are falling off and raining down

issue with that is i'd like to think literallty 50%+ of a ship exploding and falling apart would kinda warrant the jettison right away not later

[meager whale]

During the cutscene some of the pods are destroyed because of the debris of the other ring blowing up, and the debris is moving fast enough to show it was right after the boss fight. I'm also pretty sure when we are floating through space towards arat the hud of the mek says something like "Deploying pods" or something

[main mural]

could be waiting for the planet to be right 🤷 that was the entire point of the genesis ship
also all that debris would also need to be waited for.

[lean fog]

not of the ships stuff shutting down

rockwell was basically embedded into whole system

which raises one question

[main mural]

the ring was flying away from the genesis ship

[meager whale]

The ship was looking for a habital planet, not floating in space until it was ready. Unless i missed something

[main mural]

it couldn't move anymore the ship exploded. the eden ring was all thats left.

[lean fog]

if we get to see or visit the eden ring will it be basically out of power or will there be some tek still works stuff like on extinction etc

[main mural]

it just had to sit at arat.

[meager whale]

The rings had thrusters

[main mural]

it has thrusters on it that are on. it didn't shut down.

[main mural]

yeah, probably not bring you to other systems thrusters lol

[lean fog]

prob enough to park it in geo sync orbit around arat

[main mural]

yeah, just to make orbit plans or move out of harms way.

[meager whale]

I think we'll be seeing both rings, given Helena said that they need to go to one of the rings and said Rockwell is slumbering there or something

[main mural]

there are 2 rings. eden ring and rockwell ring.
rockwell's ring exploded alongside the rest of the genesis ship.

I guess its also possible what they mean by "genesis happening right after" is actually just when rockwell went there and not us so we are much closer to ark 2 🤷 thats entirely a guess tho