lore-nerdz

[coral anchor]

The lore really changed the way I view things, like I’m being 100% serious m, it is a amazing concept and I love the way they did it

That sounds kinda cringe but it’s true

Anyone wanna talk about the lore?

[rain dock]

That is the name of the channel

[meager ferry]

Just read the notes on the ark gg official site

[dense tiger]

ARK

[quaint marsh]

Yeah it's super cool haha

[quaint marsh]

It's probably not going to happen from Wildcard, so it's up to us fans. Many write Ark stories, myself included, but I've never met anyone interested in writing the story of the notes into a full novel.

Personally, the reason I won't do it, is because the story would end up being my interpretation of the notes despite everything done to keep it accurate, and not everyone would accept it. Perhaps if many lore nerdz joined together to give input into such a project, allowing it to be as accurate to Ark fan's as it should be, it would be possible. For now though, I don't see anything like that happening

[lyric tendon]

It takes a good writer that does a bare minimum of research to convert multiple journals (which is the notes are) into a full novel

The notes are not meant to be novelized or else it will lose the sense of mystery that is intended to make

[rain dock]

Let's be real, video game adaptations to books usually leave bad books. It's not designed that way

[lyric tendon]

Oh god, especially games to movies

The only ones that are successful are games barely have much lore to begin with Sonic is the best example of this
or even something as a niche game like Detective Pikachu

[rain dock]

Movies and books made from games are some not fan producers fanfic of the game

The ark animated show might be the exception, but only because the makers of ark made the show

[lyric tendon]

even they don't follow their own lore lmao that ain't an exception

Gen 1 kinda proved it like it's just nothing but player gameplay and PixARK reference lmao

[main steppe]

I would not say that. Most books set in video game worlds are generally well written. Books that are directly adapting a games story can struggle a bit, though. Probably the best example I’ve seen in that regard is the Pokemon adventures manga

[lyric tendon]

first issue tho where cleffairy is a sasy mascot

[sweet shuttle]

Yeah That would be a fun thing to organize

Nothing major just a couple short ones

I feel bad for helena in the ark lore I dunno

[quaint marsh]

Well, yeah. The notes are meant to be read as notes, and they're too loose to adapt to a book without interpretation. There's a reason the order usually goes book --> movie
or
book --> game
instead of the other way around

[bold dove]

Talking about book to game, Metro series is a good example of staying faithful while changing just enough for the games to be their own universe.

Most of the core events of the 2033 book where kept in the game, but some visuals changed for different artistical interpretations.
Librarians where more slimmer and alien-looking like in the books, and they changed them to be more gorilla looking in-game as the Dark One already filled up the 'mutant that looks so mutated it's practically alien' role.

[coral anchor]

Do we have any speculation what happened to diana and mei yin after (arat prime)

[lyric tendon]

soon™️

hard to theorycrafting when there is no useful information adding to it

[quaint marsh]

Lived happily ever after ❤️

[coral anchor]

😭

[coral anchor]

Oh yeah @quaint marsh You said this, can I See what you wrote?

[quaint marsh]

Mmm, sure. Lemme dm you

[noble plume]

guys who tf is helena im looking into the lore

[coral anchor]

The goat

[noble plume]

bruh im watching neddy the noodles vid and thats not even a lie

[coral anchor]

Love his videos

They help alot

[noble plume]

ik right?!

[coral anchor]

I wanna make a video of the ark lore discussion but idk what

[coral anchor]

wait i just had a crazy idea

[quasi basalt]

Question, so the King Titan in ASA, at least the wandering one, it's the only one I've seen so far, has the blue element that's usually associated with refined element. Is this just to show it's weaker, or is it hinting that element is never truly tamed, even when "refined"?

[bold dove]

Just narrative inconsistencies.
The King Titan shouldn't be wandering at all, since it's stated in the notes that after Mei and Diana woop its ass in the Mega Mek, it dipped out before it could die.
The One Who Wait's notes then states that after this, the King Titan stayed on his throne (the arena you normally fight him in) due to those events.
Basically got PTSD.

[main mural]

poor king titan
yeah, lots of things are just for gameplay. wandering king titan is gameplay and testing UE5 stuff

[bold dove]

Basically.

Kind of wished though they just did that with the base titans.
'THAT' would've stayed in canon

[main mural]

1 is easier then 3

[bold dove]

Ice Titan just takes a stroll around the wasteland.

[main mural]

wasn't it ice titan in the trailer too

[bold dove]

In the first Extinction trailer, yeah.
The Survivor was on a cliffside before dude climbs up and roars.

[lyric tendon]

would be cool if the "wondering titans" are randomized tho

[coral anchor]

I wish there was a cutscence of helena ascending, or just cutscenes of the characters, but that would not make sense so womp womp

[floral sedge]

did helena like cats?

what about rockwell

or mei yin and gaia

his names gaia right

or is it nerva

[bold dove]

Helena is probably a dog person.
Rockwell would've disected and experimented on them.
Mei-Yin? Yes.
Who the fuck is Gaia?
Nerva? Probably, because that was around the time that they still normally used cats to protect grains/kill mices/pest control.

[lyric tendon]

for Nerva personally, he is neutral
he can use cats as living shields against Egyptians which is Raia is

Raia passionately loves cats, it is part of her faith

[main mural]

I feel like helena would like both lol

[lament raft]

Gaius Marcellus Nerva

[kind obsidian]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[lament raft]

i imagine at least one person does =P

[swift gale]

helena likes/is neutral towards most of animals I imagine (except seekers lmao)

[bronze turtle]

Hope they remove the hlna note on gen 1 complaining there were no kittens in the arks

[lyric tendon]

Doubt it as most dossiers are not canon

• looks at sky shrimp dossier mentioning cryopods before Helena sees Tek in Ab
• looks at coelacanth "not being tameable" before fish baskets existed

If anything, dossier should be updated in line with the notes

[fallow sapphire]

honestly i always felt that dossiers should be decanonized and written to actually be beneficial for gameplay, cause as it stands they really don't add to the story and don't thoroughly explain the creatures abilities most of the time

[bold dove]

Some of them do help expand the world more then the notes did.

Araneo dossier explains that they're the ones that naturally form caves, before the discovery that the ARK's can warp and shift their environment.
Troodon's dossier confirms they're basically chimp-level of intelligent.
Rex/raptor dossier confirms these aren't normal Earth animals.

[fallow sapphire]

obviously there are some exceptions, but in the how many dossiers does this game now have, very few actually add valuable context

[bold dove]

Rhynio dossier still confirms that Helena, is in fact, a fucking idiot.

[fallow sapphire]

did that... need confirmation?

[bold dove]

No, but more references to enforce it is always good.

[fallow sapphire]

you know, fair

if i ever have to write a paper about how idiotic someone can be, the explorer notes are great references

[bold dove]

"I swear, every new creature I come across here makes me more sure they've all had their genes tampered with. I know I'm right about this."
Yeah, no shit Helena. I'm not a biologist/zoologist, but last time I checked no goddamn insect on Earth got to the size of a Rhynio. 🐟

[solemn linden]

To be fair, the cat dossier is written as if Helena only stumbled across the cats once she made it back to Earth, so it's possible that there were no cats when she was on the ARKs and that they were added to the ARKs at a later point for some reason. HLN-A has Helena's memories and thus would not remember cats being present on the ARKs.

[bold dove]

That's what I interpret with these creature additions.
They're 100% canon to a degree (besides the BTT and FT creatures) just creatures added onto the ARK's post-Helena ascension.

[lyric tendon]

i found them dubious at best tbh especially things that she mentioned

[bronze turtle]

Why they not spawning on ext but just on island instead then

Even the trailer for them was on ext..

Maybe some last minute decision for whatever reason

[lyric tendon]

why do you think trailers should not be canon lmao

last time i checked Helena never met bob on a beach while riding a raptor and killed him on sight (ASE Cinematic Trailer)

[mental basin]

Most Dossiers are canon.

Saying most of them aren't is just straight up incorrect.

Most of the new Dossiers aren't canon.

[mental basin]

Assuming cats aren't in Genesis Ascended, this Note is actually fine. HLN-A doesn't have Helena's memories at this point and wouldn't remember the existence of cats, thus making the Note kinda throwaway in a sense.

[lyric tendon]

the definition of "new" becomes more murky because of the ASA/ASE split

i consider them not canon tbh

i mean the parasaur lady in the parasaur dossier is just a dev call out, (specifically Jen) and she is not mentioned in the notes when she give helena the parasaur should affect helena's entries since again Notes are like Personal Diaries

[lyric tendon]

thus scroll to this reply for my personal suggestion

[main mural]

I don't get what the second one is saying.
coels aren't tameable before fish baskets and those require fungal wood making it only tameable post aberration.

[lyric tendon]

i called that giant bug things the "sky shrimp" long since it won the votes and revealed the concept art for it

[main mural]

no

the other one.

rhynios are sky shrimp lol

[mental basin]

Just because you consider them not canon doesn't mean you should go around telling everyone they aren't canon, because most of them are

Most of the new Dossiers, namely Rhynio onwards, are of dubious / non canon

[lyric tendon]

@mental basin see the reply

[mental basin]

The Coelcanth in specific can be written off, as it can easily be explained that she had never seen anyone tame fish on The Island

[lyric tendon]

see the reply about removing part of the already established note just to compliment the creature added to the game

that is the context

[main mural]

I have no idea what you are saying lol

coels aren't tameable on the island. even ingame they aren't.

[lyric tendon]

i don't just "go around telling its not canon" there is sometimes context being missed 😛

[lyric tendon]

@main mural i am talking about this

[main mural]

what does that have to do with coels?

coels even now aren't tameable on the island

so the dossier is still correct.

bot doesn't like ellipses.

[lyric tendon]

i let you start from that reply and see if you get what i am putting down, if you know what i mean

[main mural]

you are saying that coels' dossier should be updated despite it still being the case for where the dossier was written because aberration has fish baskets.

doesn't make sense to me

[lyric tendon]

i am talking about altering notes just because the creature or feature is added in the game LMAO

its is not just about the coel

[bold dove]

To be fair, most engrams are no longer map specific. Only recipe wise they are.
Think you can make a fish basket on The Island.

[main mural]

but coels doesn't even work for that cat one lol

[main mural]

it takes fungal wood so no

[bold dove]

Oh shit, u right

[lyric tendon]

mods go brrr anyhoo

[main mural]

ah yes, the lore mods 😂

[lyric tendon]

hey people came here for "what is the best stat" whenever the chat is slowed down lmao

TFW it's just now i realized you are talking about mods here not game mods

[main mural]

I was talking about game mods

like a mod to add fungal wood to the island

[rain dock]

Why tho

Just transfer

[lyric tendon]

back transfer is canon apparently lmao

[fallow sapphire]

why add mods when you can edit the crafting costs in vanilla

[quaint marsh]

And who really needs to tame fish anyway haha

I personally love that many engrams are locked behind specific maps, makes playing those maps more unique

Such as climbing picks and wingsuits

[bold dove]

Not on ASA

[quaint marsh]

that's... cringe

[lyric tendon]

official mod maps and server INI go brrrr

[kindred burrow]

You know an aquarum for fishes for fish pond would be lovely to see as a player

[quaint marsh]

Yes, of course there are ways around it, was meaning if you played the official way lol.

I did a full playthrough of the story maps with a friend, same characters on every map with some items transferred over and boss tames, but no cross arking. Had to finish a map to move to the next one. We had all engrams unlocked, even DLC ones, but didn't use any if we couldn't craft them. Mining drill was fantastic on all maps, but Gen 1 would have felt so much better if it had been exclusive to it. It's fun to try different ways of grinding and of course there will always be the most efficient one, but if you're forced to play differently for every map, it makes it all that more interesting

For instance. When we played Aberration, we used mining drills.

Now I'm playing Ab with my brothers and I'm finally getting to try using crabs, the crab + anky combo works great and it's perfect for three players. (One on crab, two on ankies). I wouldn't have ever done this if we had been able to use mining drills.

Of course, everyone plays differently and on PVP you need to use the best possible technique. But when you've played the game so much and you're on PvE and can relax, it's interesting to try new things

[rain dock]

Could just install solo farm mod. It's better than mining drill for literally everything

[kindred burrow]

Inagine mining drones in lost colony

[lyric tendon]

Isnt that BTT robot kinda are

[kindred burrow]

I wanna say no and yes i would like little mining drones

[floral sedge]

yeah nerva i couldnrt remember his name

[meager ferry]

ABOUT THIS CONTENT

Confront the demons of Arat Prime -- birthplace of the ARKs -- in ASA's first massive canonical expansion pack, ARK Lost Colony! Starring Michelle Yeoh as Mei Yin in cinematic anime sequences by legendary Japanese studio MAPPA, the epic new story of ARK Lost Colony bridges the gap from ARK Extinction to ARK Genesis and into the world of ARK 2. As you follow in Mei Yin's footsteps through an intense journey into the heart of darkness, you'll unlock powerful "Lost" character ability trees, befriend exotic tames, craft "Cursed" tiers of gear, and master advanced new building systems!

But beware, the frozen wastes of Arat Prime are not devoid of intelligent life; on the contrary, the city has become a war-torn battleground between twisted Element-powered 'factions' seeking to undo what was accomplished at the end of ARK Extinction. Together with generations of heroes, you'll unite the past and the future of ARK!

[main steppe]

That sure is the Lost Colony description.

[floral sedge]

i know that children were on the arks but…
Did children that were born on the arks have specimen implants? Or is it just the cloned children (if there are any)

[bold dove]

Never stated, but presumably they where born with implants. As it'd be pretty easy after the first generation of survivors to A: not be tracked by the Overseer. B: not have universal translators.
If Meeka was conceived on Arat post Gen2, then it's safe to assume that yeah, they somehow grow with the survivor.

Element magic and some bullshit.
We see in the second ARK-2 trailer that the implants are merged into our skeletons, sooooooo.

[frank herald]

Be real guys
Who wins
KING TITAN
Vs
Godzilla

(Hint: its king titan)

[bold dove]

Glorified Pacific Rim mech can kill the King Titan, while multiple kaiju's of the same size at once can't kill Godzilla.

Also, militaries usually fail when trying to kill or subdue Godzilla. While one man can whoop the ass of the King Titan.

[frank herald]

By king titan i meant lore king titan ingame one HAS to be killable for gameplay sake

[bold dove]

Also also, Godzilla himself in the Godzilla Earth canon brought the destruction and near extinction of humanity, causing them to move to a space station for generation.
The King Titan formed 'after' Corruption already killed everything for it.

[bold dove]

I am as well.
Dude is overrated.

[frank herald]

King titan stopped the earths rotation in a punch and is twice godzillas height

[bold dove]

That's not the King Titan doing that.

[frank herald]

Whatever it may be he STOPPED the EARTHS rotation

[bold dove]

He didn't, though

That was the Corruption.

[frank herald]

Even physically hed destroy godzilla being hes twice his height and probably 4x his weight

King titan is 800+ feet tall iirc godzillas only 426

[bold dove]

Depends on what Godzilla.

[frank herald]

Mv

[bold dove]

MonsterVerse is one of the weakest versions, my man.

[frank herald]

Every other godzilla is broken

And mv is the most realistic

[bold dove]

So, Godzilla would win is what you're saying.

[frank herald]

No?

Im saying lore king titan would curb stomp MV godzilla

[bold dove]

We're dealing with a space faring metal that can warp reality and has a hive mind consciousness.
Realism is thrown out of the window.

[frank herald]

As realistic as you can get really

[bold dove]

Canonically, the King Titan took one slice from Mei's mega mek, and dipped the fuck out the fight.
The One Who Wait's/Helena flat out states that he's a coward and stays on his metaphorical throne until the voices of his generals (the base titans) call for him.

[frank herald]

Hes still massive

[bold dove]

Also, nowhere can I see him being 400+ meters.

Most I can see is 266.1

[frank herald]

How? Giga is like 40 feet tall and is smaller than his toes INGAME

[bold dove]

Talking canonically.

[frank herald]

And the ingame version is smaller than lore version iirc

[frank herald]

Do we even know what the base titans look like

[bold dove]

I can only find his size on the wiki.gg. So unless you can site a official note that states otherwise, I'm going with 266.1 meters canonically.

[bold dove]

Yeah, the three ones we fight.

Those are his generals.

[frank herald]

Still 744 feet

[bold dove]

Again, give me a source. Please.

[frank herald]

Ah

[frank herald]

You said 226.4 meters which in feet in 744

[bold dove]

Oh wait, I'm fucking dumb

Okay, so 266.1 meters is what we're accepting, right?

[frank herald]

I cant see him being UNDER 300 at all considering how TINY ark giga is compared to him

[bold dove]

/744 feet

[frank herald]

Ig

[bold dove]

In-game versus canonical.

[frank herald]

Ingame giga is larger than dossier so

Theres just so much inconsistency

Arks lore is increadibly inconsistant and contrary

[bold dove]

Godzilla Earth is still 318 meters tall.
MV Godzilla is around 120 meters.
As well, we've seen examples 'in game' that size doesn't matter.
The best attack the KG can do is a groundpound that takes time to charge.
Helena states the "king of shadows" being only of rage and hatered, and with that being the only defining character we know of him with him running away. We can deduct he's a over confident rageful egomaniac that the moment you actually pose a threat, he dips out.
No depiction from what I recall shows Godzilla at all cowardly like this, and we see he has conductive reasoning and can think on-par to a human with strategy.
If we're sticking with MV Godzilla, he may be tiny, but the KG is still slower as he has more mass and Godzilla can just atomic breath his kneecaps until the KG falls.
We say in Godzilla 2014 how his breath can melt the throat of a MUTO, so we can assume if a giant sword can kill the KG, that a few atomic blasts to the kneecaps can go through his bones.

tl;dr, the KG is narrativly meant to lose in anyway.
Godzilla is narrativly meant to win anyway.

[frank herald]

I forgot mv godzilla literally can never die

[quaint marsh]

Sooo... I haven't watched any Godzilla movies or anything related to the monsterverse apart from Skull Island. How can an unkillable main character be interesting as a plot, when all they seem to do is wreck stuff?

[lament raft]

in monster movies, the plot isn't important

we watch for the monster fights and special effects

the first godzilla film he wasnt the 'good guy', it was a disaster movie with godzilla being an allegory for atomic testing

[bold dove]

Debatable.

Shin had a decent plot I actually was interested in

[lament raft]

i saw godzilla -1 recently and loved the whole thing

still tho, the main draw is big monsters wrecking shit

[bold dove]

Also, while modern kaiju movies are 100% just "shut up and shut off your brain" type of narrative. OG Godzilla was 100% plot driven as it was an allegory for the nuclear holocaust that was Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Which is probably why I liked Shin, because it was more of a soft remake of the first Godzilla.

Though minus one from what I heard was also a soft remake.

[main steppe]

Oh, Minus One is amazing.

[slender anvil]

wait if godzillas breath acctualy was realistic it would chop kingtitan in half right?

like easily

his breath if it worked would be the most overpowered thing ever

lol

[bold dove]

That's what I'm saying.
KG can die from a comically large sword powered by Element.
Pretty sure it can also die from the equivalent of the goddamn sun being blasted into it.

[quaint marsh]

How the equivalent of the sun doesn't rip through Earth is a great question

[somber pebble]

Who wins the corruption or the Zerg

[main steppe]

In GVK it literally does

[slender anvil]

ok just asking

[slender anvil]

ok thats what i was thinking thx for the answer

[slender anvil]

corruption ez

[bold dove]

Don't fully know anything about the Zerg, so can't say much on it.
But, seemingly the Zerg are an intergalactic threat that actually fucks over multiple space faring civilizations, compared to the Corruption that's (so far) just stationed on Earth.
The Zerg seemingly is still a thing their universe, while Corruption get Thanos snapped by a bunch of hairless apes that reversed engineered their it/Element to kill itself.

[mild basin]

Zerg. First time hearing that?

[bold dove]

No, I know what StarCraft is. Played a small bit of it, but never got into it.
I just don't fully know their lore.

[mild basin]

Is it a fan-fiction or a real thing in Ark

[bold dove]

Oh, you meant you.

[mild basin]

Ahh

Not Ark 💀

[bold dove]

Zerg is the parasitic alien faction from StarCraft

[bold dove]

Scroll a bit further up, and Godzilla also isn't part of ARK.

[mild basin]

Ok, my fried brain cells thought it was Ark after seeing corruption lmao

[mild basin]

Technically he was for a lil bit. Remember GodzilArk?

[bold dove]

Just realized I abbreviated the King Titan to "KG"
That makes no sense.

[bold dove]

That was a mod.

[mild basin]

Ah, played it on a friends server when I was a lot younger and thought it was in the base game for fear evolved

[bold dove]

Wildcard does not have the money to borrow the Godzilla IP for an event.

[mild basin]

Yeah, makes sense thinking on it now lmao

Snail, just let WC go to a big money company who can help in investments to fix Ark 💔

[bold dove]

They wont ever do that.
ARK is their only IP that actually makes money, and Shi-Hi is 100% the type of man to rather see both Wildcard and Snail Games crumble/defunct as companies and just transfer the IP's ownership to himself.
Just so later on he can make a new company and bring the IP back to milk it.

[rain dock]

Yeah but the company is public, so it's not entirely his choice

[bold dove]

Oh, would Shi not get the IP?

[unreal light]

Probably really stupid question, but wil ARK 2 (if known) follow the planet Earth (extinciton) or the planet genesis landed. I kinda didn't get it.

[hard bison]

any1 know whats the point why so often server crashes? i dont mean my crashes, i talking about going offline

[main steppe]

It’s set on Arat, the planet we land on at the end of Genesis Part 2.

[main steppe]

#bobs-with-probs

[bold dove]

It'll follow the events post Gen2, which is set on the planet Arat.

[hard bison]

thx for answering

[main steppe]

👍

[gaunt kernel]

Anyone having issues unlocking the cat dossier?

[magic crypt]

ark lore is ass

[quaint marsh]

elaborate pls

[rain dock]

Tbh most video game lore is bad in one way or another

[main steppe]

Well, now that's just not true.

[bold dove]

Don't mind raq. This is the same man that doesn't like most art

[waxen geode]

guys can you explain the lore in 5 sentences?

I heard the lore is good

[rain dock]

You know chatgpt is great at summaries like that

[quaint marsh]

Okay so I tried to summarise it in five sentences for you, but it doesn't get the effect across. If you haven't finished the first map yet (The Island) I'd suggest you do before learning more about the lore. When you've done that, read the explorer notes from the wiki. Yes, the lore is good, but it's best when you get to figure out the mystery of it in game

[lyric tendon]

not really chatGPT need all the usermade data for it to be "useful"

given ARK itself is pretty niche despite the "star studded" cast on a show that is not even equal to the actual lore, they will mostly get random headcanons from reddit

[lyric tendon]

there is already a video that summarised all that

[rain dock]

I know that 🤣, I was being sarcastic

The guy came to discord and asked for a 5 sentence summary like he was asking chatgpt.

I know first had llms aren't amazing because I work with them. But I'm not about to answer a on discord like I am an ai

[vocal creek]

Wtf my guy is gone on ark

[floral sedge]

try watching neddy the noodles explorer stories video (fan made voiceovers and cinematics of the of first three maps notes)

then his video on the entire story of ark (two hour summarization)

id recommend listening to the latter in the bg of whatever ur doing

[bronze turtle]

Along long time ago, I was privileged to watch some fan made ascension videos...I think they were on deviant art. Or maybe deep down in reddit.

Anybody got a hotlink to those videos, or know what they are?

They had good insights and tactics built into the videos.

I just wanna rewatch em. See maybe if I can gain some new insights.

Anybody know ?

[limber copper]

dont starve but maxwell is rockwell or something

[waxen geode]

o ok

[turbid seal]

Who is the most knowledgeable intellectual here

[rain dock]

Probably mazzy

[bold dove]

[bold dove]

Between RedGear and Stel.

[rain dock]

Oh right, stel

[lyric tendon]

Nah

I'm just old and angry

[lyric tendon]

Rockwell... and maybe Nida

[mental basin]

I never come in here anymore because of the amount of misinformation constantly being thrown around

I hate being the 'erm actually' guy lmfao

[rain dock]

Fair enough

[bold dove]

I probably don't help with that. 🐟

[turbid seal]

Now now what happened to moon in ark

[bold dove]

Lore answer: we don't know.
IRL answer: because someone thought it'd be cool to add without telling the writer.

[turbid seal]

Can I call this cutting corners

[bold dove]

Maybe? But I think cutting corners would more imply a lazy rought.
Adding a destroyed moon obviously adds more effort, but they might've just forgor to actually bring it up with Marc Soskin, so he could write something about it.

Really hope Lost Colony will finally confirm what the hell happened to it, as it'll be likely their last chance for awhile. (since ARK-2 is set far, far away from Earth)

We're almost 8 years since the ascension was added to ASE, and in turn the destroyed moon, and from what I know we've still yet to get any definitive in-universe answer of what the hell happened.

[main mural]

probably just happened during the element war

[main steppe]

Could also let them make an ark map set on the moon

[lyric tendon]

Gen 1 lunar

[main steppe]

But like

A whole map set there

[bold dove]

That's not Earth's moon

[main steppe]

With ruined lunar colonies, and fauna specifically engineered to survive on the moon

Maybe a big cave system a bit similar to aberration

[bold dove]

Also, unless they did some weird stuff. A moon only map I could see get boring real fast.
The moon/Selene/Luna as an IRL satellite is already a boring as fuck environment. It's just a rocky desert.

The lunar was cool personally because it was a single biome on a map with completely different biomes.
If the entirety of Gen1 though was the lunar biome. That might've just been boring.

Actually, now thinking about it. They could handle it like a book-accurate version of the maze from Maze Runner.
An entire fake ecosystem underground with an artificial sky, while the surface is the normal destroyed moon.

So basically an underground ARK.

[main steppe]

Kind of like aberration, but with a heavier emphasis on surviving in a destroyed lunar colony underground than surviving an actual wilderness

[bold dove]

Kind of.
I imagine it'd be more like a normal ARK map like The Island/Scorched, but with a shorter world height that fliers, or by other means can go through specific PoI's that allow them to go onto the surface.
Kind of like the vents on Gen2 instead of going through the bridge to get to the space biome, but vertical.

Though also, they could instead do more of space biospheres on the surface.
I guess that'd just be an ARK without their holographic projections.

[mental basin]

I doubt it
My personal theory is just that an asteroid struck it sometime during the long extinction event

Because NOBODY from the 23rd century brings it up

[bold dove]

Hopefully Lost Colony will give us 'something' on it. Since it'll likely be the last chance for awhile.

[main mural]

I find it more likely that it happened during the element war then an asteroid of sufficient size just so happened to hit the moon.

if it was just a random meteor I doubt its important anyway.
and it being on the wrong side of earth to where lost colony is its likely won't even be mentioned.
(granted the earth does start to spin again after extinction)

[main steppe]

Lost colony is secretly just about us traveling to the last hardware store on earth to get some duct tape to tape the moon back together

[mental basin]

I'm goin' (yes, I'm) goin', I'm a-goin' to the
Goin' to the (hard) ware, I'm goin', really goin' to the
Goin' (hard), I'm goin' to the (hard), oh, yes, I'm goin' to the
Hardware store

[bold dove]

Why is it called hardware if I can bend the pins on a cpu so easily?

Why is it called software, when there's nothing soft about it?

[waxen geode]

yep

[meager ferry]

So is the moon destroyed or missing ?

[latent ledge]

Lt. Colonel Pink and Sargent Floyd of Terran Federation lead an expedition to the dark side of the moon and found a radioactive element deposit. The element turned unstable during the extraction teams harvesting operation and later combusted. That's why the moon is destroyed in canon.

[bold dove]

What the fuck are you on?

[bold dove]

You see the moon at the end of The Island and while playing Extinction. It's destroyed and blown up.
The reasoning of why this is the case is unknown, and I don't know what fanfic Train just spat out.

[main steppe]

||Pink Floyd.||

[bold dove]

🐟

That went over my head

[marble wadi]

Uh all I know is bob spawn on island bob 200 days in
20 days in bob make gun bob shoot gun bob make iron man suit bob safe and bob escape

[lyric tendon]

K

[crystal lagoon]

Irl element would last less than a millisecond because of how high it it would be in the periodic table

[bold dove]

IRL Element would be an eldritch horror of how many fundamental rules it breaks of the universe.

[crystal lagoon]

assuming element is "alive" maybe it has some way of existing, otherwise it would just be impossible, pretty cool

[bold dove]

It is objectively alive.
The notes have confirmed it a few times.

[crystal lagoon]

Oh wow

[bold dove]

Element is a living metal.

[crystal lagoon]

Cool i didnt know i thought it was just a theory

[bold dove]

/hivemind/spreads akin to plants/breaks reality.

[bold dove]

Yeah, there's a few things that both hints and flat out confirms it.
-Rockwell hears voices in his head as he's exposed directly to liquid Element. One can argue this is just his madness, but the later points kind of heavily hint that it's actually alive.
-Corruption is Element. The relationship though of how Corruption forms is unknown to this day, but the likely theory is that it's the endstate of Element/basically a mature state of it.
The One Who Wait/Helena does flat out state that Corruption is alive, and it feels only anger towards all living things.
The King Titan acts as the physical avatar for the Corruption hivemind, and we see in the notes that the KT is an overconfident entity that thinks it's top shit until it remembers its mortal.
-During Rockwell's speech in the Antechamber on Gen2, he has his main lines you hear, but like 10+ different voice lines that plays during his speech that have nothing to do with his speech.
One involves him calling out to "Charlette" (likely his daughter) and another involves him talking to something else, and seemingly having a conversation with a second party we can't hear. (likely the Element hivemind)

There's probably some other hints I'm forgetting, but those are the main ones I remember.

[crystal lagoon]

BRO

Lemme read

[bold dove]

It's basically a bootleg version of The Flood from Halo.

Or Imulsion from the Gears of War trilogy, if you ever played that.

[bold dove]

Also, sorry for the message wall.

[crystal lagoon]

Ok i read

[crystal lagoon]

Thank you

[meager ferry]

We will probably get new lore content on June 2nd with the early access lost colony content.

[floral sedge]

Does corruption cause headaches?

[lyric tendon]

many flavors of headaches

[main steppe]

Rockwell’s head was split in half, so yeah, I’d assume that’d cause a headache

[bold dove]

You could say he had an explosive headache.

[maiden marten]

my theory is that rockwell snort on that snow that’s pretty much it

[prime igloo]

omg i never knew any of this

[mental basin]

[quaint marsh]

Don't see why not

it does make you go crazy though

[trail badger]

i dont know much abt ark lore but i wanna any1 js wanna text me a 100000000000 paragrapth essay of the ark lore?

[bold dove]

No, read pins.

[trail badger]

pins where?

[bold dove]

On the top right of discord

[trail badger]

which one should i read

[bold dove]

Preferably both

[trail badger]

k

bruh

wait

could i js watch a vid for it im too lazy to read allat

[quaint marsh]

but you wanted a 10000000000 paragraph essay

there it is

[gentle thorn]

Got a lore question for anyone who can answer: as of the events of extinction/Genesis:part 2, is it implied that Helena gave EVERYONE(in the ark systems) the ability to respawn/reincarnate, or is that simply an ability granted to The Chosen Survivor pnly

[quaint marsh]

It affected everybody

[bold dove]

Everyone. Technically playing on a server is canon

[woven bobcat]

Indeed

[timber plume]

Hi, quick question, I'm no stranger with the lore of Ark but something bugged me for a bit now, what is not canon to the lore in game ?
I know that the animated serie isn't, Bob's notes in the island also, but what about Bob tall tales or something else ?

[mental basin]

Yeye

NeddyTheNoodle's ARK story recap, which I wrote the first third of

[mental basin]

Bob's Tall Tales ARE kind of canon

They're stories that Bob is telling to Meeka on the ARK II planet of Arat.

While Bob IS telling Meeka those stories, the contents of the stories aren't actually what happened on the ARKs (& Earth) because Bob wasn't actually there.

[timber plume]

I see, so yeah the notes we can find about those tales are just Bob version of the storie, even tho he was not there

[mental basin]

Mhm!

[timber plume]

But how can he know about all this if he wasn't here in the first place ?

[mental basin]

I personally made a 1hr long Video that goes over it, but

The TLDR is that he probably learned it from someone else

[timber plume]

I guess since Helena is apparently alive on Arat for unknown reason she must have tell her storie to others, and Bob was one on them

[mental basin]

It's possible

[timber plume]

And about the Diana situation, the fact that she is Meeka's mother ?
Was it debunked or not yet ?

[mental basin]

Diana is Meeka's mother, yes.

But a Diana from a looong looooong time ago.

The original, probably, that lived back on Earth before the huge extinction-level event.

[timber plume]

Because I personally think it's another Diana (from the Genesis ship)
And she had a storie with the Santiago from the Ship too

[timber plume]

Wait cause the one on the arks isn't the original ?

[mental basin]

Mhm, Aberration Diana is a clone. Like every other Survivor.

[timber plume]

Isn't the Genesis ship also has clone ?

Or they're something else ?

[mental basin]

Aberration Diana and Aberration Santiago never hooked up, and neither of them know about Meeka's existence due to their memories being edited.

It was likely the original, non-clone Diana and Santiago who conceived Meeka back on Earth.

[timber plume]

Yeah that make sense, that's why I think they are other version of themselves

[mental basin]

I don't think Diana was on the Genesis-Ship.

Because Genesis Santiago never mentions her.

The Santiago from Genesis is a clone as well, Santiago's first clone. His memories had been edited as a part of the cloning process, and it's entirely possible that his recollections of both Diana and Meeka were removed.

[timber plume]

Oh right, could make sense since I just remember she have an implant, and childs who were born by people with an implant well, can't have an implant

But that got me thinking, why the survivors on the Genesis ship had an implant, since it's not like an ark ?

[mental basin]

The ARKs & the Genesis-Ship use a lot of the same underlying technology

Both the URE and the Federation worked on the Genesis-Ship, before the URE alone went on to create the ARKs, reusing a lot of Genesis' concepts

[timber plume]

Which make sense yeah

[mental basin]

This means that the Implants aren't actually ARK in origin- they actually come from the Genesis-Ship, lol

[timber plume]

I guess it work like an ID for the ship

Even if it is technically an ID in the first place

Even in the Arks

But yeah, I guess it could make sense that Meeka may have been alive on Earth but doesn't remember anything from it but the creatures and her Father

And her mother

[mental basin]

I talked about this in my video as well, but Meeka likely was put into Dino Discovery.

I say 'likely', but it's been all but outright confirmed.

[timber plume]

Oh yeah i forgot it was Canon in some way lol, even Pixark and Ark park

But yeah that's possible

[mental basin]

I don't think I can send links to this chat, but I can send the video to you in DMs if you'd like.

Would rather just share the video than painstakingly explain everything one by one lol

[timber plume]

You can give me the title of the video, I'll look after it

[mental basin]

"ARK 2 - The FULL Story Explained SO FAR | Bob's Tall Tales BACKSTORY - ARK Lore"

The Meeka section is @ 52:19

[timber plume]

Yep, find it, thanks a lot

But yeah, a lot of things make more sense now, can't wait for lost colony to ruin it all lol
Nah seriously I think it will anwser a lot of questions

[mental basin]

I'm ALSO working on an hour long Lost Colony Video lol

[timber plume]

Like what happened to both Diana and Mey Yn

[timber plume]

Oh ok, i'll look into your channel then

[vital heart]

a

[fallow sapphire]

lot of shameless self promotion happening lol

[quaint marsh]

very shameless

[rain dock]

Person asks for detail. Gets detail. It's not stels fault tht the made the detail

[trail badger]

watched the whole thing whil beating all of those maps makes alota sense now

[mental basin]

Yeye

[turbid seal]

Explorer notes are a great way to tell a story but yk people are too lazy to read those and just go "free exp goes brrr"

[turbid seal]

If you want help with the story that wouldn't be me im not that good with explaining

[shrewd forge]

so, lore people: i have been fiddling with a gameplay concept for a map and am trying to find a lore-friendly way to explain it. is there anything in the established lore that would conflict with the concept of a fully functional proto-ark on earth, or an ark that never launched and survived on the surface? do we know where the arks launched from, geographically?

considering the proto-arks and city, and arat prime, seem to be at least not totally overrun by element, it looks feasible, but i may be missing something in the notes somewhere

[rain dock]

I don't recall seeing anything saying thst couldn't happen

[fallow sapphire]

i feel there is two ways to view it:
1 - yes its entirely feasible, it may have some signs of corruption but could certainly survive
2 - element ravished any semblance of an ark that would actually hold any potential danger to it

(and as for where they launched, basically everywhere across the globe)

[rain dock]

If it were sealed, underground or in the sea ( which I think still exists) it would have been fine

[mental basin]

Completely possible
Proto-ARK? Maybe. Normal ARK? Totally possible.

[fallow sapphire]

sealed maybe, underground and in the sea i doubt would make much of a difference

[mental basin]

People forget, there is CANONICALLY a crashed-yet-possibly functioning ARK in the vicinity of Sanctuary.

Either the level designers were too lazy to put it in there, or the Note illustrators cooked too hard with no regard for consistency.

[rain dock]

There's two proto arks too. Iirc desert and snow are protoarks

[mental basin]

The Sanctuary we see as a whole isn't actually canon, but I digress

[fallow sapphire]

theres 3, actually

[mental basin]

Beat me to it

[rain dock]

What's the third?

[fallow sapphire]

you cant beat me at my own game, quotes are my thing lol

[shrewd forge]

wait, what. this is exactly what i need to read, which notes mention it?

[mental basin]

It's not mentioned, it's in the background of one of Diana's Logs

[shrewd forge]

🤔 sneaky

[mental basin]

Its dome is intact, which leads me to believe that it's technically still functional.

[rain dock]

They meandered over a lot more area in the notes than the map has iirc

[fallow sapphire]

one day, far far in the future, i'd love to try and create canonically size accurate story maps

[shrewd forge]

yeah, i dont think stuff like the ascension facility (?) is even in the area represented by the map?

[mental basin]

Yeahh

[rain dock]

Wasn't that in green cave?

[mental basin]

None of the Maps are really 1:1 canonical representations with their story counterparts, but MOST of them are close enough to havr their minor inconsistencies ignored

Extinction however, it's like they didn't even try lol

[rain dock]

That's always been my stance.

[fallow sapphire]

a canonically sized extinction would be so cool

[rain dock]

A canonically accurate ext would be cool

[mental basin]

A canonically-accurate Gen 2 though

[fallow sapphire]

i mean, realistically size wise its pretty accurate, its just we only get to explore 1/1000th of the ship

[mental basin]

For the most part

I just wish there were vent hatches hidden across the surface like in the Notes

[rain dock]

Would be epic. Do some procedural Gen for the biomes, make if heckin massive

[mental basin]

Could make for REALLY fun PvP caves

[rain dock]

I'm sure there is a way around that tho

[shrewd forge]

screams in PGArk

[rain dock]

I didn't say wc could figure it out 😂

[mental basin]

I also want to see Nida's lifeless corpse splayed across some far-off meat wall in the Antechamber being converted into biomass so that @plain plover can stop saying she's alive

[shrewd forge]

unreal is horrible for procgen lol

maybe better now, but still primitive

[rain dock]

Nida is still alive, it's canonical

She's like the only decent person in the whole franchise

[rain dock]

Yeah, but you can port maps into ue5 from other places 😭

[shrewd forge]

sort of

[rain dock]

Proc Gen would be annoying to port tho

[shrewd forge]

actually, i will be diving into that fresh hell if i make this map, since terraforming biomes is part of the concept

between runtime (baked) virtual textures, virtual heightmaps, and runtime foliage placement, it is not totally insane

[rain dock]

Just give me a 200sqkm wheat field

[shrewd forge]

procgen is all code/techniques, results in very different level design, tech-wise, from static levels. UE just hates dynamic levels, all it's rendering optimizations and such are built around static stuff fixed at compile time

[plain plover]

Nanostel has summoned me and will now regret it

Witness my power

He is correct in stating there canonically is a full ARK on its side directly next to Sanctuary, what he didn't mention was that it's not just in the notes, but was actually removed from the map just before Extinction released, so late in the process that it is actually still visible in the release trailer
A similar fate was suffered by the space elevator

So there is an ARK that never launched, or tried to and then fell to earth, it is not completely destroyed and does not appear to have wiped out sanctuary like the regular ark did when it fell the way it was supposed to, meaning that its decent was probably controlled enough to prevent doing that thing that they did in Avengers age of ultron.
As for proto ARK's it would be reasonable to assume that there were not only 3, in fact, we know there weren't only 3, there were at least 4. Seeing as the Farm is also a prototype ark. We do not know its fate as it was in space.

[shrewd forge]

do we know anything about launch sites for other arks?

[plain plover]

Spread out seemingly evenly across the Earth's surface, they leave similar craters as the one seen in extinction

[mental basin]

They aren't really 'sites' persay, they were just kinda built wherever possible

[rain dock]

Fair enough. I donf know enough of the mechanics for that

[shrewd forge]

perfect

[mental basin]

Oh and they were built from the inside out because uhhh yeah Fries forgot this

[shrewd forge]

as in, self-assembling?

i imagine all the life support, growth systems, and whatnot are inside the megastructures around the outside?

[mental basin]

I call it inconsistency

It rhymes with Grug

[mental basin]

We really dunno what the pillars do but stake the ground for the ARK to rest in as a part of the Reseed Protocol

All the dino and Survivor clones are held within the deepest part of the ARK

And the Overseer Arena is very predominantly on top of one of the pillars

[fallow sapphire]

well, presumably there is still some systems within the other pillars, as new survivors are made on Aberration even after the Overseer's pillar is destroyed

[shrewd forge]

are they, canonically? not just people entering from other arks?

[fallow sapphire]

aye, the grad students were fresh people after the original survivors

[mental basin]

Grad Students, they rhyme with Grug

[shrewd forge]

and do we know anything about how intelligent or autonomous an overseer is?

it kind of feels like they deviate from the original plan

[mental basin]

I'd explain if I wasn't on the clock

[rain dock]

They can't be too smart right

[fallow sapphire]

all i know is there intelligence went way up in ascended, cause they are no longer giving me medium crop plot blueprints and compass blueprints

[shrewd forge]

plant species Y seed blueprint RIP

[mental basin]

@snow seal, I wonder- will we be getting those Explorer Note fixes with UE5?

Once we get those implimented, I'm 100% willing to make another extensive list, since I'm always on the lookout for narrative errors in ARK.

[bold dove]

Man, lore accurate Extinction would go hard.

Also, if I recall. The wasteland would basically just be absolutely filled with Element nodes.

[mental basin]

I mean it kinda is

[turbid seal]

So about proto arcs how many of them were made

[lyric tendon]

My guess, one per biome

[mental basin]

At least 3.

There likely aren't many Proto-ARKs outside of Sanctuary, as Sanctuary was pretty much the initial ARK testing grounds.

[bold dove]

Wait, but isn't Arat Prime where the ARK's were invented. 🐟

[mental basin]

No.

We are EXPLICITLY told and SHOWN otherwise.

The Lost Colony teaser is blatantly incorrect.

[bold dove]

Okay, honest question.
Do you think that was just a fuck up/slip up on their part. Or they'll actually retcon what was established?

[mental basin]

100% retcon which completely destroys Sanctuary

[bold dove]

[bold dove]

Wait, so what the fuck is the entire point of Extinction, outside of just killing the KT and bringing the ARK's back home?

What happens to the narrative symbolism that the location we kill the KT in, and bring back the ARK's, is the same place they were initially invented in?

Also, I think that just adds more questions then answers.
Wasn't the entire point of killing the KT, is to lower the Corruption, so the ARK's could come home?
How does that work now?
Because, if it was localized, and it was just 'that' terminal that couldn't be used until the 'local' investation was dealt with. Why didn't Helena-and-gang just go to Arat Prime and activate the ARK's from there, where it seemingly has less Corruption, and no titans?

Unless the only control center for the ARK's was in Sanctuary.
Which, would be a comical oversite by the Federation, if they apparently originally made the ARK's at Arat Prime.
You'd think that Arat Prime would then have a control center.

[still portal]

Uhhh

[quaint marsh]

In short, Lost Colony will create yet another lore paradox where the devs are going against the original story

we need a second lore channel soon for ASA lore

[bold dove]

We'll see how things actually play out when LC comes out. I don't know, maybe it was a mistake, maybe there's some weird ass lore explanation that doesn't negative Sanctuary. But if there isn't, it does feel like ASA is a whole seperate canon at this point.

[lyric tendon]

That is what i mean, and y'all think i am crazy for stating the ASE notes are the original canon

[bold dove]

Well, you are crazy. Just for different reasons.

[mental basin]

ASA is canon now

ASE isn't

It's really that shrimple

[main steppe]

If you can’t understand that, it’s simply a krill issue

[bold dove]

Take me to snurch.

[bold dove]

Sooooooo.
Like Star Wars Legends?

[main steppe]

I think the difference there is that ASA is a bunch of minor retcons to both set up Lost Colony and maybe align with TAS, whereas with legends it would be like if they went “only the island is canon, nothing else”

[bold dove]

Okay, but unless I'm missing something. Arat Prime being the birthplace on the ARK's negates basically the whole point of the Extinction map, outside of having the ARK control center.

[main steppe]

Birthplace could also mean where they were first conceptualized and developed, not necessarily built.

[bold dove]

Isn't that literally what Sanctuary was for?

[main steppe]

I can’t actually recall if that was the exact purpose of Sanctuary.

I was under the impression it was meant to be a sort of last safe haven for humanity

[mental basin]

That would be Sanctuary

Like that is LITERALLY, VERBATIM Sanctuary

And yes, like Arat Prime it was a bastion city. It just so happened to also be the origin point of the System, then the Proto-ARKs, before things moved onto The Farm, and finalized ARKs.

[main steppe]

Okay, so then either A: they’re retconning stuff, unless we still got notes in extinction about sanctuary being the birthplace of the arks, or B: they’re retconning stuff just fucked up with the character description

[mental basin]

We still have Notes about Sanctuary being the birthplace of the ARKs.

So they're likely retconning it, without changing the older Notes as per usual.

Like the King Titan wandering the wastes is a retcon. Helena Deus tells us to our face that he refuses to leave the Forbidden Zone after the tussle he had with Mei and Diana's MegaMEK.

And they still kept the Note in ASA, even though it's not correct anymore.

[bold dove]

Fuck seven years of established lore on one of the most important maps within the IP's narrative, am I right?

[main steppe]

Seven years…
My bones are hurting.

[bold dove]

The ARK IP as a whole is turning 10 I believe this June. 🐟

[mental basin]

Who the Hell just pinged me

[quaint marsh]

Pretty cringe innit

[bold dove]

It is what it is.
Stel will make something better, in time.
Probably.
Most likely.
Maybe.

[quaint marsh]

I don't get why they want to push their new story like it's some kind of masterpiece though

Yeah, they put time into it I'm sure, but you don't just go change the original story

just divides communities

[main steppe]

I don’t think they’re really pushing it as a masterpiece so much as they’re just… marketing it like a normal game. And as for changing the original story, yeah, it’s dumb, but it’s extremely common for writers to do

[mental basin]

Yeah I have no clue what y'all are on about

They're expanding on a ten year old game

Things will get lost in translation

It pisses me off specifically, yeah, but they aren't dividing anyone or pushing some magnum opus

What even is that take, lol

[bold dove]

Agreed, don't think it's pushing anything. More of just "shit happens."
As well like Stel said, stuff this old just gets mixed up in translation.
We can just hope they decide to course correct it before release, instead of doubling down.

Like, the biggest mistranslation in a games writing I know of is literally in Halo.
Whole "humans where Forerunners" was the original writers, Joe Staten's, intention.
But shit happened, and we instead got now that they're a seperate species from each other.

[dusk lodge]

so how does taming work in lore?

knocking something unconscious and shoving food down its oesophagus doesn't exactly work irl

[fallow sapphire]

i mean, have you ever tried it?

[dusk lodge]

with lizards, yes

they just bite me and run off

:/

[fallow sapphire]

clearly not doing a good job of knocking it out then

gotta watch their torpor timers

[bold dove]

Neither does most stuff in ARK.
Yes, taming how you do in-game is canon.

Mei-Yin canonically knocks out her raptor to tame it.

[fallow sapphire]

except for Mei, who uses her god like taming abilities to tranq tame a rock drake

[dusk lodge]

we dont disrecpect our queen, no sir

[quaint marsh]

I'm meaning trying to push the animated series into the game which is a completely different story all together

[turbid seal]

Seriously I hate retcons just because you gotta launch a new map

[lyric tendon]

I mean taming a giga while on a mount using a normal bow is plaussible in game

[mental basin]

The dinosaurs have been genetically engineered, and commonly tamed for hundreds of years at this point

No knocking them out doesn't make sense, but yes, it works because the ARKs' creators wanted us to tame them somehow

[surreal meteor]

If apperation is a corrupted ark in the lore. And all survivors are born out of DNA chambers that the arc builders made, if the ark is corrupted then so are the DNA chambers which means those horrific custom characters we all make all genetically possible

[bold dove]

"If apperation is a corrupted ark in the lore" what does that mean?

[surreal meteor]

Apperation that underground map with the big snakes

[bold dove]

You...you mean "Aberration?"

[surreal meteor]

Yea

Not good at spelling

[bold dove]

Well, firstly. That map isn't exactly Corrupted, it's just mutated from Element exposure.
Secondly, Rockwell Prime does make fun of our physical appearance. So, yeah. I can see abnormalities being canon to some odd degree.

[mental basin]

lol, this isn't a real explanation for that

The real explanation is just that the ARK makes Survivor bodies, and the crazy ones are hypothetically possible

There's no reason for them to though, why would you when you can just make the clone 1:1 with the original?

[bold dove]

You meant 1:1 with Santiago?

[mental basin]

Santiago is 1:1.

He's older in Genesis 2.

[bold dove]

Oh, true.
What's up with that terminal though?
Think we should take it seriously?

[main steppe]

Hear me out
The overseer just got reeeeaaaaally bored

[mental basin]

huh

[bold dove]

Wasn't there an image on your discord showing off the texture of the terminal in the character creator screen, that mentions something about Santiago?

[mental basin]

reusing assets

[bold dove]

Okay, good. Was hoping that.

[turbid seal]

The only one's who is having fun in ark is the overseers

[mental basin]

Nah, I am

[vital plume]

Alright how far do you guys think Rockwell in the gen ship would get in the hell divers universe if he got a planet far from super earth and started to spread planet to planet

[mental basin]

Depends on how he spreads, really

[lyric tendon]

and what faction he is close to

[digital crescent]

What is the place from aberration ascension after you head out of aberration to earth is it earth? The island?

[bold dove]

Feel like this is the same argument as "The Flood in 40k"
Which, in short results in a "they either get instantly annihilated in their factions embryonic stage. Or survive long enough that eventually they'd be able to destroy everything. No inbetween."

This is also I guess in the assumption Rockwell Prime could recreate Element in the Helldivers universe.

[mental basin]

Huh?

Oh, you mean Earth

Yeah, that's Earth, it just isn't actually 1:1 with Extinction

[digital crescent]

Oh, thanks

[turbid seal]

Man they should do a lore drop for the 10th anniversary

[mental basin]

Not the 10th anniversary, but we do have my lore drop coming sometime before/with Lost Colony

[turbid seal]

Les go Can't wait

[mental basin]

I do wonder though

How much of it will actually make it into the game

If there's one thing, and one thing only that I want

Is for the King Titan to get his scar

As per my direct request to Jeremy

[vital plume]

Let's just say he's in the current war in the South side of the war map where nothing is around

[vital plume]

I also feel like he can since the meat flowers in the innards have element shards inside them and element itself does reproduce

If he does get a footing on a couple planets I think the biggest thing that can be a problem for him would be illuminate technology since it's planet busters

[vital plume]

To give him best case scenario he'll invade now since the illuminate is literally on super earth right now and he invades the southern portion of the galactic map

[dusk lodge]

Is there an in-lore reason you're not able to leave the map on extinction?

[vital plume]

If Rockwell got enough planets I feel like he would unite the system if the system is broken enough in their war

Just because his whole goal would extermination of all of them and be the god of the galaxy

[vital plume]

He would he has access to gotchas on the gen ship

And they can produce dust

[vital plume]

I would though see something funny like super earth giving propaganda about in the moment of clarity our former enemies see the true threat to democracy and decided to become temporary defenders of our democracy and fight this new threat head on it wanting to destroy us all

Just so they acknowledge a truce to deal with Rockwell if it got that bad except for the bugs I doubt it the humans would even be able to communicate with them anymore

[mental basin]

Nah

The game tacks it down as some kind of Specimen Implant malfunction but

Diana and Mei-Yin leave perfectly fine

Unless of course, right after Diana's final Note on Extinction they step outta Map bounds and instantly explode

[surreal meteor]

With babies being born on the arks in lore (scorched earth journals) are the babies having implants on them?

[bold dove]

Don't think there's an official answer.
But implants are seemingly flat out infused to the human skeletal structure, via the second ARK-2 trailer.

[surreal meteor]

It's just a curious question

[dusk lodge]

But you're not on an ark anymore tho??
How do implants have any power anymore if we're on earth

Or am I missing something

[mental basin]

Implants aren't tied directly to the ARKs in the sense that you like, need to have one on an ARK to begin with I guess?

How do I explain this, uhh

Your Implant works independently of the ARKs/Genesis-Ship

In fact, a Specimen Implant is used as a kind of 'key' in the ending of Extinction, where we manually activate the Reseed Protocol ourselves

So it'd be safe to say your Implant is functional whether or not you're on an ARK. The Survivors of ARK II also have Implants, so there's that.

[bold dove]

Because they're more or less multipurpose tools, correct?
Because they also act as universal translators.

[mental basin]

Yeppers

[bold dove]

Also, Stel. What's your take on survivors being born with or without implants?

[mental basin]

Dunno

Implants are used in several ways tied to the ARKs and to Earth, so

Logically the children should have them as well

Nanomachines son

[bold dove]

Right.
I don't know, if we really want to stretch it, it isn't 'completely' illogical.
The implant looks like metal, but could be some form of organic material that can be produced by Element.
Maybe it forms akin to a snail shell?

[mental basin]

Doubtful on the last part

Nanomachines exist in ARK, we see them used in almost every part of the Overseer fight

[bold dove]

Oh, that's true

[mental basin]

The Tek pillars form from nanomachines, the Overseer itself is a collection of nanomachines

So if anything, the Overseer could hypothetically track and imbue babies with Implants that grow into their adult years

Space magic

[bold dove]

Maybe the implants are nanomachines, that create more of themselves to pass onto the embryo of a human child?
Gray-goo type shit.

[surreal meteor]

What is a homodayis (that glowing ghost thing Helena turned into)

[bold dove]

Because in theory, if they are nanomachines they could go around the humans own body.
And a single one could end up in the babies system, allowing itself to replicate and create more from the babies organic materials, without killing the host?

[bold dove]

Homo-Deus*
Stel can explain it, if he already is typing it.

[mental basin]

Consciousness of pure energy and light which resides in a plane of existence past our own, likely a 4th or 5th dimensional being.

[bold dove]

Oh shit, never thought of the 4th dimension.
Isn't that hypothetically with time as the 4th part?

[surreal meteor]

Are there peaks to becoming a Homodeus the neddly-nooble video about ark lore I watched said they felt like prisoners and lost some of their humanity

[mental basin]

It had many

Some people used it as a way to escape the dying Earth
Others used it not only to escape, but to also oversee the ARKs

It also pretty much turns you into a cosmic supercomputer beyond human comprehension

[surreal meteor]

Aw

[mental basin]

It's implied that many thought it was essentially godhood, when it wasn't

[surreal meteor]

And Helena transferred her homodeus into h.e.l.n.a?

[bold dove]

HLN-A is a separate entity from Helena.
Helena made HLN-A with fragments of her personality.

Stel, I have to ask.
If Helena is able to just become a normal homo-sapien again in ARK-2. Wouldn't that negate the whole point of becoming a homo-deus is more of a nightmare then it's worth?

Why didn't anyone else just become a homo-sapien again, if it wasn't worth it to some?

[mental basin]

In the same way that Santiago's sacrifice becomes a bit less meaningful due to him recieving his memories, yes

But we're gonna Homo-Deus X Machina our way into ARK II anyways

[bold dove]

Man, we love making previous narratives pointless.

[mental basin]

Not pointless, just dampened slightly

[bold dove]

Does it slightly dampen it?
Could just be me, but I always thought that Helena becoming a Homo-Deus was the needed unwilling sacrifice humanity needed.
Her becoming one was necessary for us, The Survivor, to eventually be born from everyone's mistakes and learn from them to be able to restore our home.
Helena didn't volunteer to become one. But without it, we wouldn't get The One Who Tries Again, that acted as the spiritual successor to every previous note survivor.

[surreal meteor]

I sorta wanna see the Santiago clones (Genesis and aberration) meeting each other. I know it's a pipe dream due to og Santiago dying on Extinction to start to fight the titan

[bold dove]

To me, it showed that for Earth to be saved, one last sacrifice was needed.
A new young Homo-Deus that can be better then the people who came before her (URE/Federation) while needing also a successor to herself.

[bold dove]

Technically, they're both dead.

[surreal meteor]

How did Genesis Santiago die?

[bold dove]

Bomber-man.

[dusk lodge]

But aren't they clones from the gen 2 ship like our characters?

[mental basin]

SUICIDE BOMBER GRAHHH

[bold dove]

"Lamp oil, ropes, BOMBS!?!"

[mental basin]

What are you referring to?

[bold dove]

"You want it? It's yours my friend! As long as you have enough rupees"

[mental basin]

What I mean to say is that Implants just work independently of everything else. They might interface with the ARKs, Genesis-Ship, etc, but they aren't dependent on them.

[surreal meteor]

So will ark 2 sangtiago have all his memories regardless of ark and Corporation meddling

[mental basin]

Good question actually

I see no reason for the URE to keep his memories altered for his respawn onto Arat

But I also see no reason for them to give them to him either

[bold dove]

Think the ARK-2 Santiago is a direct clone of the Gen2 Santiago.
But yeah, don't know if he'll have modified memories or not. Since he was being tortured for god-knows-how-long, repeating his own death because "what's-her-name" wanted to know "what's-his-names" last words he said to Santiago.

[dusk lodge]

Our characters on gen 2 are clones on the ship, right?

And we have implants

[bold dove]

Wait, I just realized something.
So...Arat Prime is now seemingly a URE created city, right?

[dusk lodge]

While they don't even though they're from the ship too

[mental basin]

Every clone on the Genesis-Ship has an Implant

Gabriel, a revived colonist, is described to have had one

[dusk lodge]

And at the end of gen 2, the clones were released into arat prime(that's what the planet is right?)

[bold dove]

No

It's just "Arat"

[dusk lodge]

Ah

[bold dove]

Arat is the planet.
Arat-Prime is the launch site of the Genesis-ship

[mental basin]

*Supposed, launch site

[bold dove]

Well, now a fucking URE city.

[mental basin]

A bastion city to the opposite (frozen) side of the Earth to Sanctuary

[mental basin]

Arat Prime is still a Federation city, huh

[dusk lodge]

Also don't we see a skeleton w an implant in the ark 2 trailer

[bold dove]

Is it?
Might've mixed something up in my shitty memories.

Either way, it is now the new birthplace of the ARK's.

[mental basin]

I love the fact that the anatomy we see the skeleton exhibiting is physically impossible, because if you had a band wrapped around your arm like that, you wouldn't be able to physically turn it at all

[bold dove]

Yeah, the implant is infused with the two arm forearm bones.

[bold dove]

The funny thing is, I was in a voice call with friends when that trailer first dropped. And almost everyone pointed that out the moment we realized the implant is 'part' of the arm.

[mental basin]

Nanomachines, son

[bold dove]

They're really kind nanomachines for moving out of the way when we twist our forearm.

[dusk lodge]

In a game where a bug the size of a trex(which isint a trex at all) exists and that's what you're worried about

[bold dove]

Wait, also. If they're nanomachines, does that mean if/when the host dies, the machines also die?

[dusk lodge]

We threw logic out the window in 2016 gang

[mental basin]

I mean, Implants clearly de-activate upon death

[dusk lodge]

I mean the implant sprite looks diff when you get it off your corpse

No more glow

Holy shit I'm responsible for so many deaths-

[bold dove]

Fair, but that could mean the life signals of the host is gone, not the machines themselves.

[dusk lodge]

Maybe they live off of the host somehow? Like an organ?

[bold dove]

The ARK's also have finite resources, and nanomachines constantly making organic matter into inorganic matter for them to construct more machines would dwindle the ecosystem.

Uuuuunless clones skeletons decompose faster then normal, and that allows those nanomachines to seep into the ground, and somehow make their way back to a human host?
Either by entering into animals that commonly are consumed, or into the drinking water?

@mental basin Thoughts on how the nanomachines don't accidently gray-goo entire ARK's?

[mental basin]

Huh

[dusk lodge]

Or maybe they deactivate upon the hosts death, get absorbed into the arks and put into clones when they respawn

Both explain the lack of glow

Also I've only really seen that on regular implants

After they 'change' after you beat a map they just stay like that

Homo Deus memories(is that what they're called?) are more understandable

[bold dove]

Pretty sure the ascension implants are just a cosmetic gameplay reward.
Rockwell nor Helena from what I recall make any mention of their implants changing on Scorched.

[dusk lodge]

Oh

Anyways

Cool dinosaur fact

The rexes on the arks aren't rexes at all, they're a different sub-species called Tyrannosaurus Dominum

Helena just got sick of correcting people who got it wrong so she started calling them rexes herself

Average dinosaur nerd behaviour ong

[bold dove]

Correct, and so are raptors.

[dusk lodge]

Fairly sure those are still utahraptors

[bold dove]

They're "utahraptor primes" which isn't a real species.

[dusk lodge]

I mean none of the ark species are real

[bold dove]

Actually, some are.
Kentro's for instance.

[dusk lodge]

Oh

Yeah I wouldn't know

Never tamed one to look at the dossier

[bold dove]

There's a handful of creatures in ARK that are real species.

[dusk lodge]

Ik but the raptors are still raptors

The 'rexes' aren't

[meager ferry]

Because you finally realize all the creatures are genetically engineered and modified by their respective overseers.

[dusk lodge]

Gee golly how could I have possibly known, could it be that I've read almost every dossier except a select few and know?

[vital plume]

@bold dove how bad would just clusters of element astroids existing in the helldiver's universe would be from Gen two the shards and the dust biomes

[bold dove]

On its own? Probably not that bad.
Stel can correct me, but I believe Element on its own takes a pretty long time to grow. And it mostly is just crystals in its normal state.
Buuuuuut, if let's say, Super Earth were to use Element for a new technological leap to fight against all three factions, and start having dedicated planets to refine it, and as battlefields. Then Corruption would form, and likely infect members from all four factions.
ARK-1's events was only really just on Earth and her orbit (outside of Genesis) so if we can see Earth being a post-apocalyptic hellscape with titans roaming, due to Corruption. Then I could see, in time, Super Earth accidently spreading Element/Corruption to multiple planets and causing multiple extinction level events.

[vital plume]

You think any of the factions would do what Rockwell did with it?

[bold dove]

Automations would likely use Element for a new fuel source, as well with Super Earth using it to gain an advantage against everyone else.
Bugs are bugs.
Illuminates are the only ones I can think of that would go out of their way to genetically modify humans with Element, just to see what it does.

[vital plume]

I see the bugs using like how the creatures on extinction dealt with it evolve with it becoming apart of them

Since they evolve helldiver's 2

Like the mana the velo snow owl and gotchas

[surreal meteor]

I understand the dinosaurs on the arks but Extinction is earth. Why are there dinosaurs on earth? Like the element bringing back the engrams of the dinos because engrams last forever? I'm very confused

[bold dove]

Proto-ARK's.

[surreal meteor]

Can I get more that that?

[bold dove]

They have the ability to create animals, like normal ARK's do.

[surreal meteor]

Ah

[wintry hearth]

yall how do you think the titans were truly created, the "element made them" theory doesnt make much sense to me as they should have more of it on them than they do

heres mine:

Unlike what the lore says/implies, the titans weren't created by the element, just corrupted. My theory is that the titans were real creatures which exististed within the Ark universe, they were woken up and corrupted by the element when it started its worldwide spread, and the first one it hit was the King Titan, corrupting the strongest, it then spread with his power all across the globe and corrupted all the other titans.

Now something else to point out is, the forest titan is a great example of this, in extinction and aberration, the trees there that are in contact with element are disfigured and alien in design, the forest titan on the other hand looks perfectly fine, sure hes a living tree but theres no horrible looking growths coming from him. Also the corruption when it takes over a host tends to overtake the whole body, we see this with any corrupted dino and the king titan, the dinos are fully covered in the stuff and the king titan needs to be defeated 2 whole times before his whole body is covered in the stuff as a last ditch effort for the corruption to save itself. But with how much smaller the other titans are from the king titan, after whats most likely thousands to tens of thousands of years, they should also be fully covered but theyre not. And when tamed they have a mind of their own, they can behave how you want them to without you having to ride them directly, they have a conciousness which means that they are not corrupted fully enough to where they would just be made of mostly element with an outer shell that seems natural.

Also if the element was just able to make titans like how its implied, why wouldn't it make a hundread king titans. The king titan seems to have a crocodilian tail, so its porbbably a mutated crocodilian. If the corruption can just make titans, it should be able to make like a hundread king titans to destroy everything, but it doesn't.

[bold dove]

It's not a theory, it's been confirmed.

[wintry hearth]

wait it has?

when?

who confirmed it?

[bold dove]

The One Who Waits flat out states that the Titans where formed by Corruption. Which is Element.

[wintry hearth]

yes but wouldnt they have more corruption on them

also how would they have a conciousness and a will of their own once tamed

[bold dove]

In theory, yes.
There's no explanation of why they look like animals, or a non-copyrighted version of Groot outside of Wildcard wanting that to be their designs.

[bold dove]

Also, they don't.
Once you disconnect them from the hivemind, they still need to serve something. Which in turn, is the player.

[wintry hearth]

i mean like

wouldnt you be able to do the same to the king titan

assuming you destroy enough element

[bold dove]

Don't believe it's explained. But I assume it's because the three base Titans act as generals for the KT. Their only existence is to serve.
While the KT itself is more of a physical manifestation of the Corruption itself. Acting as its avatar.

[wintry hearth]

i mean at this point to me either the corruption can mutate and make new animals without fully covering their body

or

they are actual ancient monsters that existed like millions of years ago since exinction was released around the same time as godzilla king of the monsters so cashing in the godzilla hype

[bold dove]

The Titans are formed from thin air, just saying.

[wintry hearth]

oh yea fair

[bold dove]

@mental basin if he has the time can correct me, if I'm wrong.

[mental basin]

qUW

Huh

[bold dove]

-Why can we tame titans?
-What are titans?
-Why do they look like just weird animals instead of Corruption?
These are the questions.

[mental basin]

It doesn't really make sense for us to be able to tame the Titans, considering how closely tied they are to the Corruption, but uhh

The Titans are Kaijus formed of (according to Marc) entirely of Element. I don't remember/haven't thought to deeply as to whether or not they're formed of raw or Corrupted Element, but they're Elemental beings nevertheless.

Same answer as the last question, they're exotic creatures born from Element. Element is infinitely adaptive, which is likely why they corrospond so deeply to their respective biomes- Forest Titan being a wooden behemoth, Ice Titan being a giant furry thing, etc

[wintry hearth]

desert titan being a giany flying manta ray

[mental basin]

Mhm, it looks like that because it evolved to ride off of the desert's heat waves.

[wintry hearth]

element makes soo much sense

[bold dove]

Funny giant pancake is peak evolution for the desert environment.

Wait

[wintry hearth]

giant ice monkey is peak evolution for the ice biome

[bold dove]

Would that mean an ocean Titan, would experience crabification?

[wintry hearth]

wait a minute

megapithicus

[bold dove]

That one makes somewhat sense, since the Ice Proto-ARK has a bit more cliffs then normal. So a form to grab onto them would be best.

[mental basin]

Probably. dunno
That legally-distinct Ghost Leviathan from Slopquatica may also be a Titan

[wintry hearth]

not big enough but yea

[bold dove]

Yeah, but that isn't canon.

[mental basin]

fym not big enough

May I introduce you to the concept of lesser Titans

[wintry hearth]

so

ark bosses like dragon, broodmother etc

[bold dove]

Really wished we got some tamable lesser Titans on Extinction.

[wintry hearth]

(they make sense to me to be lesser titans ngl)

[mental basin]

Those are 'Guardians', not Titans

[bold dove]

No, they where like Titans we see on Ext, but just smaller/the size of the normal Mek.

[wintry hearth]

ik but like they just fit into the category as they are very mystical

[bold dove]

And from what I recall, came in more mass hordes then the three generals we see.

[wintry hearth]

ngl i wish we got more of extinction, like more titans

[bold dove]

Titans in the context of ARK are specifically Element/Corruption made.

[mental basin]

Lesser Titans are something which exists in-canon but not in-game
Pretty much just random amalgamations of Corruption that aren't really distinct or powerful enough to be considered Lieutenant Titans

But they sure as Hell aren't dinosaurs

[bold dove]

Wasn't some depictions of them being giant roided up humanoids?

[mental basin]

They actually don't, Guardians are intended as tests aboard the ARKs
Titans are something completely different

[wintry hearth]

i mean the king titans is very reminiscent of a trex, crocodile, and human in terms of his looks

[mental basin]

They all kinda look like mini-King Titans in a way, which is to say yes

But they ALL look like that, probably just an artists' interpertation

[bold dove]

King Titan is a glorified non-copyright infringed version of Godzilla.

[wintry hearth]

ik im just saying that if you just made them actual enemies in extinction with like a little corruption they could very easily fit the category of a "lesser titan"

[wintry hearth]

you dont say, all hes missing is a beam attack

[bold dove]

I assume artistical limitations.
No reason why lesser Titan's can't have adaptation rules the other ones have.
They're still made out of Element, which is highly adaptable.

[mental basin]

Not really but alright

[bold dove]

That's not at all what a Titan means in ARK.

[wintry hearth]

ig, im a big godzilla fan anything thats a large semi-mystical animal can count as a kaiju/titan to me

[bold dove]

Like Stel said, the monsters on the ARK's are Guardians.
From what I know, they have little to no Element connections, outside of likely being made from Tek devices.
They're titanic in their size, yes. But "Titan's" in the context of ARK are specifically a race of Corruption/Element created monstrosities that are connected to the hivemind.

[wintry hearth]

alr then

[floral sedge]

What did Helena call the seekers again

Also what exactly is charge

And one final question

Did aberration continue to try spawning creatures on the surface? (Like imagine the ark spawning a regular parasaur on the surface during the day but it immediately bursts into flames)

[mental basin]

Flying squid bat murder monsters

[mental basin]

Bioelectric charge

[mental basin]

We dunno

[vital plume]

I would disagree since the time it isn't burning we would see dinos other than reapers up there

[bold dove]

Well, now there's Fasilo's up there

[dusk lodge]

If the earth stopped rotating due to the element, how does it still have regular gravity or an atmosphere??

[dusk lodge]

to add, there would be cyclones, tsunamis and earthquakes left and right

[floral sedge]

Those events have already subsided because earths been tidally locked for a while

I’m pretty sure gravity is determined by mass so gravity would stay the same

Also I believe it’s said that the proto arks are constantly repairing the atmosphere

[dusk lodge]

i have no idea what tidally locked means ;-;

[floral sedge]

Basically one side of the earth is always facing the sun

[dusk lodge]

yeah thats what i meant by the earth not spinning]

[floral sedge]

But yes if the earth suddenly stopped rotating major catastrophes would occur but they would subside overtime

Hence why there isn’t much shit going on in extinction

[dusk lodge]

all that still doesnt explain why earth has an atmosphere, which should theoretically not exist

[floral sedge]

I think it’s said somewhere that the proto arks are constantly repairing the atmosphere

[dusk lodge]

oh

[dusk lodge]

???

if earth stopped rotating, gravity would (essentially) stop too, which in turn prevents the air particles from being pulled into the earth, which brings us back to square one

[floral sedge]

It wouldn’t

Gravity is determined by mass

And radius

Not speed

[dusk lodge]

theres smth im missing here

[dusk lodge]

arent meteor showers as common as rain over there?

also that clears my gravity doubt

[floral sedge]

Oh yeah that too

Might have to ask a nerdier lore nerd on that one

Someone might have to correct me on this but I think the king titan summons them or whatever

[dusk lodge]

oh

[bold dove]

Can't have tsunamis when there's no oceans left.

[bold dove]

For context, Earth is spinning.

Tidally locked is just when the rotation is slowed down just enough, where one side will perpetually face the star it's orbiting around.

For example, the Moon does rotate, it just rotates at such a slow rate that the same side of it is always facing Earth. Making it tidally locked.

[mental basin]

The ARKs upkeep the atmosphere.

As stated by Helena in one of her early Extinction Notes.

[vital plume]

@bold dove you think the master chief would be able to survive the Genesis ship and kill Rockwell or you think there's just simply too much for him to deal with?

With the lack of ammo on the ship for him to plunder

[bold dove]

My man, if a glorified human with immortality, and almost no other special traits outside of "big smart" due to the engramic matrix can kill Rockwell. I'm pretty sure a genetically modified super soldier that has already dealt with a species like Rockwell Prime's totally-not-offbrand version of The Flood, and completely wiped them out (seemingly).
This is the same spartan that CANONICALLY, In a fucking BOOK, parried a scorpion tanks rocket shot.
He also ate a tank shot point blank, and it just reduced his shields. (likely would've killed him if he was shot again)
As well, we've seen through multiple media pieces that Spartans 2's excel at not just firearms, but close range melee.
Brutes are known to be physically stronger then any Spartan generation, but Spartan 2's are fast and agile enough to dodge the Brutes slow attacks.

Also, if we're allowing to utilize full canon potential.
Chief specifically has, and I'm not kidding, luck on his side.
Throughout the games and books, he's been through multiple situations that other Spartan 2's would likely had died during. But, Chief usually gets out of these situations by sheer random coincidence.

[vital plume]

What about a giga and he would have to do the gen missions like the survivor and I would say the survivor has super human strength with melee bobs existing in the game with the weight stat too and the Tek suit has things that are just objectively better than what the chief has like the speed

[bold dove]

Also, tek weaponry is fueled by Element. And there's plenty of Element on the ship.
He was able to learn Forerunner technology pretty quickly, so he'd have no issues figuring out what are basically prototype-Forerunners.

[vital plume]

The mutated giga with it puking acid would be an issue

Not to mention the acid in the Proliferation and the not abilities of the Tek suit he would have

Also unlike the survivor he wouldn't be immortal though

Also doesn't Rockwell's Proliferation disable the Tek suit too

[bold dove]

Fall of Reach mentions he's able to jump around 11 feet.
It isn't flying, but if the terrain is right enough, he can just quickly jump from point to point.
Also, most of the missions are set in the simulation, which would presumably, if he has HLN-A's protection, would have no real consequence in the real world if he died in them.

[bold dove]

No. But the flying ass micro-summoner things do.
But they're really easy to just not get spotted.

[vital plume]

The goo from the tentacles disable the Tek chest plate and he wouldn't know anything about this place like the survivor did

And slow you down

Also what about reapers

And noglins

They still mind control people with Tek on

[bold dove]

Arguably, The Survivor would've had a lack of knowledge as well from the start, since the tentacles are completely different mechanically then the ones they've prevously faced.

[vital plume]

What about if he didn't have hlna though?

[bold dove]

Okay, Blar. Roll quick let me give you a crazy fact.

[bold dove]

Then what's the point of this convo?
Because he's taking the Survivor's position narrativly in this case, I assumed.

[vital plume]

What if he was in Gabriel's position?

The guy with the split personalities

[bold dove]

[vital plume]

It's shown in his notes Rockwell was fully made just without the corrupted humans

[bold dove]

Going to end this convo, with the fact that titanium can take up to 30,000 psi to 200,000 psi to crush.
And Master Chief has on multiple accounts, and shown in-game during the ending of Halo 3, punching through vehicles with titanium.

[mental basin]

Without question yeah

Because there IS ammo all over the Ship

Like, everywhere

[dusk lodge]

this prob sounds stupid, but if abberation's dome was destroyed bc the gang blew up the command center, why doesnt the vaccum expand into the caverns?

[lyric tendon]

1. Artificial gravity is still intact
2. Tek is magical science

Same logic goes to earth, there is no Artificial dome that keeps us floating into space

[dusk lodge]

yeah but earth has sufficient gravitation to hold it's atmosphere together

an ark if a chunk of land as big as like a country max

its not even sphereical

[lyric tendon]

Again Tek goes beyond what is physically possible, logic be damned

[zealous solar]

Nerd

[rain dock]

That's a compliment

Nerds make bank

[dusk lodge]

but there isint any barrier or anything seperating the caverns from the endless abyss of space

also this took place AFTER the overseer was blown up by santiago & co

abberation didnt have one till old eddy got high on element and turned into squiward from temu

[paper cave]

This might be a stupid question (it most definitely is) but is the sun you see on the arks real or artificial?

[dusk lodge]

oh

so the barrier exists, we just cant see it?

[mental basin]

Incorrect.

The Overseer never respawned. The entire point is that it was destroyed.

Reapers also already existed, supposedly. Before the Overseer was destroyed.

[bold dove]

Wait, I'm dumb. Where is that stated?

[mental basin]

Are you being serious

[bold dove]

No, I genuinely don't know where it's implied they existed before the Overseer was destroyed.
I know they existed while Rockwell was still human, and that he never made them. And they're a natural byproduct from the ARK itself, and not mutated animals.

[bronze turtle]

Chat with ark 2 being on Arat (the new planet), perhaps we get a spin off game set on earth post lost colony? Or a dlc for ark 2 maybe

[quaint marsh]

The gang got attacked by reapers whilst exploring the caverns, no?

Nevermind, that was after they blew up the Overseer. I don't see any reason why they couldn't have existed before though

[drowsy depot]

Is it possible that the launch sequence for the genesis ship actually failed and Mei initiated it somehow upon arriving to Arat Prime? Trying to figure out if it is actually possible for them to line up all the incoming lost colony lore with no retcons.

[bronze turtle]

Unless they change a lot of stuff in the gen dlc as well, prob not

Since if that was the case, we would definitely know about the vampire ppl in gen 2, and all the genesis ship crew were killed by rockwell, not those guys

[bold dove]

No, the ship has been in space as long as the ARK's have been in Earth's orbit.

[bronze turtle]

Cant wait to get mei yin out of her tek sleeping pod in lost colony to fight corrupted vampire diana and rockwell

[main steppe]

Tragic Yuri with David Tennant in the background

[bronze turtle]

Mei yin crying and sobbing over diana's dead body, while he slowly crawls his way into the superluminal link in the background XD

[dusk lodge]

There HAS to be a fanfic of this

[bronze turtle]

The doctor saves the ark simulation

[mossy fossil]

Is it gonna be free for evolved?

Oh wait it’s not even gonna come to evolved

Just ascended for 15 like the other map

[bronze turtle]

I heard someone say it would cost as much as tall tale but idk just hearsay

[rigid grove]

It is $30

[rigid grove]

https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/articles.html/community-crunch-450-lost-colony-pre-order-ark-the-animated-series-part-2-r2465

[bronze turtle]

Gonna be quite the dlc

[bold dove]

30$

Hoping the quality will be out of this world. And it isn't just both the US inflation, and their debt taking its toll.

[floral sedge]

Why didn’t Mei yin and Diana kill the king titan with console commands? Are they stupid?

[bronze turtle]

Bruh XD

[mossy fossil]

damn

[stiff halo]

At least it’s only $30 usd

Around $50 AUD iirc

[bold dove]

How is that any different?

Is that's 50$ AUD, isn't that then worth 30$ USD?
That's how different economy works, is it not?

[stiff halo]

Yeah, I s’pose you’re right; just feels like a more hefty investment to know you’re spending half a hundred on a dlc lol

I think it was $30 for gen1+2 back in the day, whereas now it’s just the one map

[bold dove]

But a (used to be) Triple-A game was like 93$ AUD.
Which is only 60$ USD.

Now the (sadly) average price is going to be 80$ USD.
Which is....124.79$ AUD.
Now, that's a lot.

[stiff halo]

Right; and tack lost colony, btt, fantastic tames and any premium mods of your choice, and it really just feels like a cash grab

[bold dove]

Right. But we can hope the quality will be around on-part to both of those maps content on one large map.

[stiff halo]

Hopefully

[bold dove]

Well, yeah. That's why I don't support the Fantastic Tames.

[stiff halo]

Starting to get the same feeling I did when I paid for ffxiv every month; but at least that game had years worth of content, fast and consistent support, very few bugs/glitches and I felt somewhat justified in paying for it month after month

With Ark, the prevalent problems from the previous game give me just as much grief as they used to, along with new ones in the mix

And then they release new maps and content with so many issues that the next month or two is spent just getting it working properly, with issues from previous maps remaining unresolved

I love this game, but it really does feel like a cash grab sometimes lol

[bold dove]

Yerp

I wonder why.
'proceeds to look at Snail's debt.'

[stiff halo]

That darn Tesla knockoff, I tell you

[bold dove]

They paid that off, I'm pretty sure.
It's just a culmination of so much other shit.

[stiff halo]

Too much poor management for far too long now

[radiant harness]

Enter for learn more lore

[bold dove]

...Where was that even officially stated?

Fair.
Fairly sure the entire reason for why Aquatica is on ASE only right now, is because someone higher-up at Wildcard flat out refuses this abomination to touch ASA.
On the earliest promotional material for Aquatica, it showed it was going to release on next-gen platforms. Which is a bit weird, since ASE, even if it 'can' run on next-gen hardware, is a last-gen game.

And I can kind of see Wildcard coming to the compromise of allowing Snail to fuck with ASE. Since it's more or less abandonware.

[rain dock]

Given that they publicly denounced Aquatica before it was even announced I would say that's fairly likely

[main steppe]

I hope wildcard makes an actual aquatic map at some point just to spite snail.

[turbid seal]

Questionable question but what's the name of the female character like the male characters name is Bob so what's the name of the female character

[bold dove]

Bobette, but I believe Jen as well.
Should be noted that, at least from what I recall. The Survivor (us) are a separate character from Bob.

Jane, sorry. Not "Jen"

[mental basin]

Jane, & she's probably going to make an appearance in The Animated Series at some point.

[stiff halo]

Wonder if she’ll get the bob treatment

[quaint marsh]

Probably not

[kindred vessel]

You guys think Nerva and Mei yin will both be vampires?

[quaint marsh]

If they are, this series is beyond saving

[lyric tendon]

my interest is already lost when TAS is not in line with the original lore and it's gonna be shove in to Lost Colony anyway so fck it

if Mei in LC doesnt have an army of tames or at least tame something then she ain't the real Mei that we knew in Ext

[kindred vessel]

After reading the notes for years, I can’t tell you how disappointed I am that they started changing the story

They had a really easy job, and they squandered an amazing plot. It felt like they took a really easy idea , but they made it feel all weird. Mei yin should have never slept with Helena, it’s gonna completely ruin the aberration story now

All that voice talent on the original story would have made them Oscar nominees

[lament raft]

i'm fine with a different story than a direct 1:1 retelling of what we already had

[lyric tendon]

If they want a different story then don't use already established characters that gave it higher expectations in future content looking forward

If TAS is all about bob doing bob things then it is fine but reducing what made helena, mei and other characters in the OG lore unique kinda makes TAS looked like an amateur fan fic

I mean look at Rockwell

I don't see this guy caring about his child after leaving a newly born infant to die in SE, like it's beyond redemption even with Charlotte shoved in just to make us "feel bad" for him

[mental basin]

yawn tas bad media literacy something something

ROCKWELL will come back

With an ARMY

OF 72 nerva vampires

And 67 IMAMU zombies

[lyric tendon]

he will come back with unlimited plot armor because "we make that Hollywood VA budget count"

[quaint marsh]

It's taken my interest away from the game entirely for some reason

[floral sedge]

It’s always “What is ark lore?” Never “how is ark lore?”

[hallow lark]

well how is the lore

[fervent owl]

Friend: "Ark lore is cool what do you know about it?"

Me: "Ark... Lore? Thought arks lore was just Dino roar the end"

Friend: Proceeds to VERY passionately info dump all of ark lore that he knows for over an hour (nearly 2hrs)

Me: "Hmmmm that's cool.... I have a question tho"

Friend: "yeah?"

Me: "Why didn't any dinos Roar during any of it... kinda pointless without the big roars..."

Friend: silence

[quaint marsh]

He clearly did not vividly describe the fight scenes including dinosaurs

[small plover]

Bro has his priROARities in order 💀

[bronze turtle]

There was A LOT of dino roaring

[limber valley]

Just to clarify, Santiago originally died in the Tek War. Then was cloned to help with the Genesis & Ark Programs, his clone then gets blown the hell up.

Then, aberration Santiago doesn't have his clone's memories and only knows about the war

Ark 2 Santiago Remembers his Clone's life but not Aberration Santiago's life because they aren't connected.

Is that correct? I need a refresher

[mental basin]

Pretty much, but more evidence is starting to point towards ARK II Santiago having his memories of both the ARKs and Earth

[limber valley]

Interesting

[bronze turtle]

And then Helena will have helena deus memories, Meeka gonna get rockwell memories somehow, and then diana reincarnates, and then mei yin shows up

I'm gonna love ark 2