lore-nerdz

[lofty scaffold]

Tbf if he just let the baby live and everyone else was dead the baby would have died anyways?

[bold dove]

(ignore the fact that he could've just either kept the baby until he found a more civil tribe. Or just let the tribe go, since they where no longer a threat to him.)

[lament raft]

rockwell wasnt the best person from the outset

he started out more neutral but kiiiinda slipped down the more evil path after joining Nerva

[bold dove]

Well, yeah. Not saying that wasn't a Rockwell thing to do. Just that there was plenty of options that could've done if anyone else was in his situation.

[lyric tendon]

his insecurities is his foley

[sacred zinc]

Is Rockwell just a modern day Odysseus? Going on a journey to get back home and coming back a monster?

[bold dove]

Eh, Rockwell's priority isn't really to return home.

He's actually seemed more content on The Island then the other three survivors.
The Island had fauna's that never existed during his time that almost act as magic when used correctly, and he revelled in that.

[west kernel]

Except there must be life cuz we travel to the other face of the world, and I don’t think Ark is gonna give us a dinoless experience

When I mean “other face of the world” I mean Arat

[bold dove]

Lost Colony will likely explain this away with the Aberration ARK still being functional and pumping out creatures. As well as Arat-Prime, if it has that same system.

[bold dove]

Arat-Prime*
Just so we're on the same page. We love Wildcard's naming convention.

[west kernel]

Doubt it has the same system tho, wasn’t obelisk thing specific to that one faction of the ark?

The URE? Don’t remember the name msaybe it was the other

[bold dove]

Nope.
The Genesis-Ship uses The System as well. Hints why it has ARK creatures.
The URE and Federation more or less disbanded to become one faction near the end of life on Earth, since political struggles no longer existed. It was all about survival.

And HLN-A confirms the Federation where allowed to test their own creatures on the ARK's with the magmasaur.

Something I like with ARK's writing is that it took a third party that threatened both nations for them to put aside decades/centuries of warfare and actually look at each other and realize "the fuck have we done to our planet?"

[lyric tendon]

Not really "disbanded" hence the Feds still kept their branding in the Gen Ship and their own made Tek post-war

[west kernel]

Then why would they build that system into Arat prime if their commitment is to get the fuck out?

I mean, they could.

But why?

[bold dove]

Whatever Wildcard decides.
They're going to have to explain away why creatures keep coming back and the population not dipping, and possibly The Survivor as well.

[west kernel]

"I dont need people to explain how broken i am" flexs his muscles

[bold dove]

Testing grounds for the implementation of it on the Genesis-ship. Same as the proto-ARK's for the entire ARK's.

[west kernel]

Im honestly quite hyped about Lost Colony, they could really go ham with a enviroment more harsh and hostile than even Aberration or extintion

Sky is the limit

[bold dove]

As well, Arat-Prime may not be 100% just the launch site. But also be some form of city the Federation occupied. And they might need some form of population control to make sure wildlife doesn't 100% go extinct during their time constructing the ship for food/resources, kind of akin to Sanctuary keeping its wildlife population alive.

[west kernel]

To be honest, what is more interesting about Ark is the “ruins of civilisation”

There was always something special about Extintion, that made it way different from other maps.

Now you didn’t only find old stone structures, but full on cities with its own ecosystems.

Lost colony should exploit that, with underground’s (metro station, tunnels), cities…

[bold dove]

Also, roll quick. The Federation did want to dip Earth, but still helped to a degree with the ARK's if I recall.
This could mean the the Federation didn't see that Earth wasn't salvageable. But made precautions to preserve life and humanity on a ship that's main goal is to find a planet 100% compatible for Earth life. They just left the whole "repairing Earth" mission to the URE, as just in case one side fails, the other may succeed.

Also, saying that in text of the Genesis-ship's main goal is to find a planet that can comfortably hold Earth life makes way more sense now that Arat looks less alien and more Earth-like.
There's probably plenty of planets in the ARK universe that can have life on it, as statistically likely IRL.
But they'd all be too alien for us to live on without the need of environmental suits.
While a planet more Earth-like, being statistically low, could handle humans more easily without the need for us to be in environmental suits.

(note, when I say Earth-like in this case I mean literally Earth-like in how things evolved, to the atmosphere of the planet. Not the actual IRL definition of it)

[bold dove]

Yeah, I shouldn't say "disbanded." More that they just made NATO against Corruption.

[west kernel]

Reminds me of the Orville this tbf.

Many habitable planets, but most of them don’t suit the human life characteristics.

High gravity, harsh climate…

[bold dove]

Makes more sense to find a planet that is almost 1:1 to Earth, then it is to just find a planet with life.
They're sending hundred of thousands to millions of clones onto a world butt-ass-naked.
They'll need a fair start in something familiar, then something 100% alien.

[west kernel]

Was it always the plan to send them butt naked tho?

I feel like they go butt-naked because of the situation of the destruction of the ship.

But not because of it being part of the plan.

[bold dove]

I don't see a Kohl's on the ship.

Jk

[bold dove]

Could be wrong. But I don't think that's 100% explained.
Because let's be real here.
That ship had no real way of landing.

[west kernel]

Element force field that protects from impact idk.

Just explain it with element, seems it’s the way it works now

[bold dove]

Okay, I need you to be real with me with this.

How in the fuck would a ship that size without supports enter the atmosphere without firstly, being torn apart. Secondly, if it did land, how it wouldn't just crumble due to the gravity of the planet.
But this is ARK afterall. 90% of the explanation of the weird shit in this series is "Element." So I guess you're right.

[west kernel]

Must be a way.

The plan of looking for a planet with a population that remains on the Stone Age seems hilariously ridiculous

[bold dove]

So is the ARK's trying to preserve life with butt-naked humans.

[west kernel]

Because what’s the plan of the federation?

Yeah just make a ship that can travel millions of light years in search of a planet where people still cover its part with leaves and it’s 99% like Earth

[west kernel]

With the difference I don’t need to face an alien with a tek gun.

[bold dove]

But you can face a five story tall Giga as a butt-ass-naked man.
Gonna be honest. Unless there's something funky with this planet, we just brought the worse wildlife's this planet has ever seen.

An alien ain't shit when a Giga can bite it down in one gulp, and rip apart any apex-predators the planet naturally has with just stomping on it.

[west kernel]

Might sound like space racism, but that guy is human, the point of the Ark is for people to evolve, not die against aliens after millions light years travelled.

[bold dove]

It's not though.
The point of the ARK's is to preserve life and wait until Corruption died down where they could return home.
Evolving is just a byproduct of things rapidly fucking and producing babies.

[west kernel]

Damm

I wanted to say “Get earthisided freedom is coming to you at tek gun point” but with caps

[bold dove]

Also, Tek is probably out of the picture for both the URE and Federation long-term.

Remember the entire point why Earth got fucked?

[west kernel]

Yet they still had them tek armours and gear in that ship.

[bold dove]

That was in a ship made out of Tek.
That had stryders, a Tek creature, to help cycle the Element out of the soil and keep it clean.
Though, once the ship finds a planet. I can imagine all of that being thrown out of the window and rid of.
Just like the ARK's.

[west kernel]

It’s just so complicated really

Many variables to take into account

It’s just crazy to think about we introduced demonic creatures to a bunch of cave men’s

[bold dove]

That's why I think it's kind of pointless to theorize about anything of ARK-2 until we get more answers.
We got small stuff in BTT towards characters like Meeka, Bob, Diana, and Santiago.
But the actual world itself is probably going to be an ARK-2 exclusive thing. Which isn't going to be out till likely late 2026 - early 2027.

[bold dove]

We?

[west kernel]

I don’t see Ark 2 coming nowhere near that, 2028 I would say.

[west kernel]

Well, we are the reason why there are rexs that defy laws of nature.

[bold dove]

Depends of how long every delay from now, to Gen2 racks up to go.
I think post-Gen2 is going to be when ARK-2 is likely to be released.

[bold dove]

The URE and Federation are.
Don't throw every human civilian into political issues.

[west kernel]

I say, we “civilians” as we created by breeding creatures out of this world.

[bold dove]

Could you rephrase that?

[west kernel]

The user Mediocris Roman Pétanque Fan is making a joke about the statistic that has been breed into the animals of Ark

[bold dove]

I still don't get it.

[west kernel]

Dino stats had been mutated by us.

[bold dove]

Ooooh, you're making a mutations joke.

[west kernel]

Yep

And just hoping that no Reaper Queen made it into Arat, because the Aratians are gonna be hella terrified

If you consider that no corrupted ring creature made it into Arat.

I might just be terrified of Ferox, which lived in the Eden Ring

[bold dove]

But hypothetically, there's no Element on Arat.

So they'll stay in their small forms

[lofty scaffold]

Well they said element wasn't going to be in ark 2 but the left over tek scrap will be able to be farmed

[bold dove]

They never said that.
They said "Tek" wouldn't be in ARK-2.
Then a year after that, during that years Twitchcon, they described the Tek in ARK-2 being "mysterious, almost alive feeling." Either meaning they went back on their word, or what they meant was ''usable" Tek wasn't going to be in ARK-2.

Because Tek has arguably been in ARK since day-one, but environmentally. But it wasn't until early 2017 that they added the Tek-tier, the actual usable Tek.

[lofty scaffold]

They literally showed you being able to infuse tek scrap into armor and weapons to give certain abilities like A RPG I did kinda feel the same tho but ppl hate ark 2 because no tek/prim only I'm in that camp aswell but I respect ppl that stick to a idea and see it through till the end and I feel wc had to back track it didn't look like tek in the traditional sense

[bold dove]

I still don't think to this day Tek was the issue. But shitty implementation.

And yeah, as cool as it sounds conceptually with a primitive-style ARK game. I'm in the same boat that I have no real interest in it.
ARK has never, and will never be about primitive technology vs dinosaurs. If I wanted that, I'd just fucking play Turok.
ARK has always been about progression, and advancing yourself out from the primitive age, to an industrial era.

[lofty scaffold]

PREACH glad we agree I think ark needs to expand more because it is about progression

[lofty scaffold]

True

[bold dove]

Now, if ARK-2 wanted to 'expand' on the primitive stage of the gameplay. I'd be down for that.
Admittedly, ARK-1 strayed from this.
2015 ASE was a pain in the ass to level up, so you where forced to use stone tools and spears until the endgame. Which during that time was like level 75. (cursed fact. Flak armor originally was created in the fabricator until Riot armor came out)
So if they want to recreate that, but more naturally. I'm down with that.

[lofty scaffold]

That must have been way way before giga came out

[bold dove]

It was before most creatures came out.

[lofty scaffold]

What I'm saying was I only started in December 2015 because that's when it came out for xbox and it already had gigas and riot gear and everything

And biomes

[bold dove]

That's about the same time I started as well.

And yeah, it basically already had everything.

I think though the caves got a TLC during 2016?

Oh wait, it also wasn't till 2016 arenas for bosses where added

So that does mean for a small bit, Xbox users got to experience the cursed world-bosses system.

Also, I still remember years ago that one of the promises was going to be tamable bosses for The Island.

Pretty sure that was scrapped for Extinction.

And technically returned in a form in Survive the ARK in Gen2.

[west kernel]

Playstation did as well

[lofty scaffold]

Yep that's how we farmed chitin

[cyan mist]

Ive been playing since 2016 I was like 7 and still tried to learn the lore

back when good ol scorched launched

at least i think

[floral sedge]

Scorched earth more like scorched Lore

Am I right

[lyric tendon]

K

[west kernel]

Lore is hard to learn, between what it’s not explained, what it’s explained but have plot holes with new expansions, and the already complicated lore, it’s not a good combo.

Tbf I like that my character can be from any era, and I larp a lot in Ark. 😂😂

Main character is a Roman Caesar, my alt account is an Spanish Habsburg king and the third account I’ve have no idea of what to larp about

[eternal shadow]

My main is an english sailer from the 15th century that got taken in by maori

[mental basin]

The Genesis Survivor has a canonical time period, but we can just forgo that 'cause uh, yeah.

[low briar]

Kia Ora!
Bit on the fantasy side, but I play a Kobold who always does his besties!

[wintry plinth]

Does anyone know what "Dorian Stafford Sendo DeathDome 47" means

[bronze turtle]

Ark 2 Meeka boss fight

[bronze turtle]

No it does not. Why? Because I said so

[mental basin]

Hm?

[lyric tendon]

never because i said so

[bronze turtle]

[covert canopy]

Gotta mod ya in a Taniwha boss then haha

[west kernel]

Imagine being captured by Māori and waking up to a raptor eating a sheep.

[eternal shadow]

For a second he thought because he married into the Māori, he died and ended up in their afterlife. But as people that have roleplayed with me hear at least once "its a shit afterlife if we still have to wipe our ass"

[west kernel]

My character lore doesn’t go that far rather than I used to be important in this 2 empires.

[west kernel]

Really?

That would imply that depending on the lore we want (Survivor from Ark = Survivor from Genesis ship) is also time limited.

Because it’s up to our liking if the survivors are the same or not

[mental basin]

Yep, HLN-A likes to reference modern-day in regards to 'who we are' and 'what we remember of our old lives'

A big one is the Statue of Liberty for some reason, which iirc is depicted in several of her Glitch illustrations

[west kernel]

My character is from the Roman Empire
Character knows about the Statue of Liberty
The Romans built the Statue of Liberty

That’s it, we will rewrite history and not Ark history

[mental basin]

chad.jpeg

[wintry plinth]

I found it on a rock on the lost island

[mental basin]

Interesting, can I have a picture?

[wintry plinth]

I found it years ago when I was around 10 but I can try to look for it

[mental basin]

I'm def interested

[wintry plinth]

It's on one of the islands near the desert

But it's not a desert island

[exotic bobcat]

Also can't load the extinction map?

[spark laurel]

anyone has a dedicated server on Ark survival evolved the island

[raw sage]

🤡

[lyric tendon]

Is it related to lore?

[spark laurel]

no just to play on

[lyric tendon]

Wrong chat bud

[unkempt flicker]

Does anyone know the full aberation storie and can tell it?

[bold dove]

Wonder if they try to connect the Genesis Survivor as the ARK survivor with Lost Colonies, that they might modify that glitch.

[west kernel]

Imagine they kill our character in Lost Colony making the “not the same character” the canon. >.<

[bronze turtle]

ARK 2 Meeka boss fight

[lyric tendon]

I would lowkey love that tbh

[bronze turtle]

Corrupted mei yin or diana killing the survivor would be a cool ending

And then picking up the story with the new one on gen

[last monolith]

so is ARK Astraeos is a real map, NOT a modded premium map like the others right?

[main mural]

it is not a lore map.

[bold dove]

No

It's just a paid custom map.

Still not in the story-map section

[lyric tendon]

Technically counts as a "official" modded map like other non-story ARKs like Valguero, Fjördur, Ragnarok, etc

[turbid seal]

So what were the titans created for in extinction

[bold dove]

Physical manifestations of the Corruption

[turbid seal]

Like the forest and desert and ice titan too

They are also manifestations of the corruption?

[kindred burrow]

Yes

[bold dove]

Yes

[quartz copper]

What’s the lore on the reapers impregnating the survivor

[lyric tendon]

Read the dossier

[wintry plinth]

I found it
Turns out it is not near the desert

[mental basin]

Fr? Send in dms

[mental basin]

Solved it, they're developer/patron signatures.

Rag has something similar, allegedly.

[bold dove]

Wait, so they self-promoted themselves on their own map?

That's funny

[wintry plinth]

Thanks I've had that on my brain for years

How did you find it

[bold dove]

Imagine if Nekatus had a secret QR code on one of his maps that takes you to a Nekatus patreon page.

[lyric tendon]

i mean the GPortal shrine in Fjordur rings a bell

[bold dove]

That's a thing?

[lyric tendon]

yep

[mental basin]

Reddit, plus @sacred bluff is actually a member here LMAO

Hi, hello yes, cool easteregg

[turbid seal]

Why can't the survivor from ark be similar one on the genesis ship like can't they just upload their data unto the ship like Helena and Rockwell did

[lyric tendon]

because Helena is Homo deus in Ext while Rockwell is a Element Mutated Human in Ab, they are not like survivors which are just plain clones

plus the survivor lost the implant after KT boss fight in Ext. the implant allows Tek (like the ARKs) useable to any non-tek era clones

but more reasons why the survivor can will be answered in Lost Colony

[mental basin]

"plus the survivor lost the implant after KT boss fight in Ext. the implant allows Tek (like the ARKs) useable to any non-tek era clones"

This is never stated or even hinted at in the story lmfao

The Tek usage, I mean.

The only time that's been brought up, is through Ned, who threw it out there as a semi 'possibility'.

[mental basin]

Other than that, according to the new lead writer, the Genesis Survivor can be whichever you want it to be. Either the ARKs Survivor, or the Genesis Survivor.

It's strange, I hate it, but according to Peter Fries, it's up in the air.

[turbid seal]

Hmm fair enough

[mental basin]

Mazzy is right though, it may be answered in Lost Colony. Just don't hold your breath lol.

[turbid seal]

That's like in July not counting delays 😭

[lyric tendon]

technically it is hinted in the ending itself as implies removing the reliance of Element and by extension, Tek is the end goal of the ARKs and that implant is still Tek

again this is just at Ext only, i have to wait for LC for further info to what or how will an implantless survivor experience Tek without it (aside from reverting to native language)

[lyric tendon]

also just because it's a "possibility" doesnt mean there is no chance of theorycrafting especially waiting for LC for confirmation

[pseudo swan]

I think the 'start' of Ark story could be explained a little better.
As a example:
Rockwell had a daughter who became terminally ill, Rockwell started creating a DNA Regeneration device (ob) which could keep her from dying.
When the researchers discovered his work, they requested a demonstration or they would cut the project funding.
In a deprate attempt to prove it could Regenerate any! DNA rockwell uploaded the impossible dinosaurs DNA data from hundreds of species.
Then rockwell showed off his super machine and resurrected a t-rex.
Astounded! They demanded more. A human.
Rockwell uploaded DNA from hundreds of civilians and chose a random human hoping they would come through intact a survivor
It worked..
They wanted to weaponise this obelisk immediately and create a super army which could Regenerate anywhere at anytime upon death.
Rockwells work and creations were taken and he was fired.. robbed, deprate, rockwell took revenge when his daughter died, losing his chance to bring her back! He created his own machines and all the data he had left was dinosaurs and human survivors from the trial.
He began summoning them as a army to destroy those who robbed him bare and stole his daughters chances to come back.
After a long war.. the armies were crushed, rockwell became mad with rage and corruption. Most planets were still littered in dinosaurs after the war, and the obelisk continued to spit out humans and dinosaurs..
But survivors wanted a end...
To stop rockwells madness and restore normality.
This is when/why/how you spawn in on the island.
And explains wtaf is going on..
Enjoy

[bold dove]

Is this your interpretation of the story, or just a fan recreation for fun?

[bold dove]

Because there's already canonical explanations and events for most of the stuff in the game.

[pseudo swan]

From Explorer notes I'm sure.
For the 86% who collect them for XP and don't want to spend 10 years reading ingame stories it would be nice to just have a straight narrative from the start.
That is a simple explanation I made up on the spot to explain wtf is going on as a example.
As it clearly says 'as a example'

[pseudo swan]

It says, as a example.

And in all fairness, my storyline sounds like a epic movie opening.
Where the actual lore for ark makes me yawn so hard I look like a anaconda about to swallow a hippo

[bold dove]

Why does the community need an example of the storyline, when it already exists?
We have confirmations of everything you listed out. And basically nothing of it is correct outside of the fact Rockwell had a daughter.
And if I may ask. What part of the storyline is boring to you?

[pseudo swan]

That is a silly statement .
There are 1,014 Explorer notes in Ark and these are found naturally in random order if found at all so no average Joe will ever know what is going on, or care to find out. When infact a open scene as I described would explain the basics for everyone not just lore hunting bookworms.

[bold dove]

I do agree that ARK should slightly bring its narrative to the surface more. And the newer opening cinematics, as well with Rockwell talking now during his Aberration fight does help to a degree.
But with more detailed sections of the lore being behind notes isn't really an issue. It's just another way to convey a narrative, especially in a game that not 'everyone' cares about the narrative. It's the same thing CoD zombies did for awhile before the story community became large enough for Activision to somewhat care about adding the storyline to the more front-face of the gameplay.

[pseudo swan]

My point exactly, the lore will eventually explain in a random order why they have thrown dinosaurs and humans together and especially ones that kill humans! When it's apparently humans! They want to preserve

[bold dove]

Actually, dinosaurs are explained

So is cloning

[bold dove]

It's a bit bullshit, so get ready for this.
In the ARK universe, they have what's called the 'engramic matrix'
When a animal dies (including humans) they leave behind kind of like their energy, where all of their memories and information was stored.
Basically, a sci-fi way to shoehorn souls into the storyline.
So Element, with it's reality breaking qualities. Humanity where able to create Tek devices that where able to scan these engramic matrix's, and collect them to recreate someone 1:1.

Tl;dr.
Soul holds all of your information, and funny machine can recreate you from your body from your soul.

[bold dove]

Also, it isn't specifically humanity they're trying to preserve. It's life in general.
And that's due to the age of the ARK's.

The ARK's where a lot more calmer when they first entered orbit. But over time (that they weren't meant to stay in orbit for) they degraded and slowly became more hostile.

[pseudo swan]

So for someone who is interested in science and the science behind Ark, they must start listening to soul crap which is on par with religion which is the polar opposite of science.
Which makes me hate that already

[bold dove]

Hang on, if you want me to. I can copy and paste into here a tl;dr (as tl;dr I can make it) of the ARK storyline pre-survivors waking up. If you want me to.

[pseudo swan]

Sure

[bold dove]

Welp, this isn't the place for you then.
It's literally called "ARK" Survival Evolved/Ascended.
Every instance in the story is a reference to something from the Christian bible.
It's pulling a Halo where it explains the religious-side of the bible in a sci-fi way.

[pseudo swan]

I still belive religion is a simple way to explain advanced science

[bold dove]

The "Genesis" ship.
The planet the "Genesis" ship crashed on, the ship to repopulate life, is called "Arat"
Referenced after Mount-Ararat, the mountain Noah's Ark presumably landed on.

[bold dove]

And to be fair, that's kind of what ARK also is doing.
Engramic Matrix isn't 'exactly' a soul. But it's a soul-like concept.

[pseudo swan]

So it's a biblical science contradiction game.
I mean, why not call Ark ll. Ark surbible evolved

[bold dove]

Okay, gonna paste roll quick. It'll make a wall

An alien resource arrived from space sometime in our future, and crashed on Earth. (unconfirmed when it does)
This resource is known to us as Element, and it caused a technological BOOM on Earth. This created what we see in-game as Tek, and on Extinction we get an example of their civilization that was Sanctuary.
Over time, only two super nations where known, the U.R.E (United Nations of Earth) and the Terran Federation.
They had a global war/world war over differing ideologies, as well as rapidly dwindling the resource that was Element.
This war, the Element war (also known in the community as the Tek war) lasted for awhile, possibly centuries of on-and-off combat/political tension.
Over time though, using extreme amounts of Element started to pollute the soils of the planet, and something happens for the pollution to turn wildlife almost zombie-like.
This started the Corruption, the same stuff you see on Extinction.
Turns out that Element, not only can break the literal laws of the universe, but was a living organism and had a hivemind.
Rapidly, the Corruption spread and slowly reached for the Earth's core to stop it, making the Earth's rotation slowly stop so it'll be tidally locked.
As this is going on, the URE/Federation basically where dealing with a zombie apocalypse caused by the very technology they where using. And shit was dying RAPIDLY.
So, they had a truce and started different protocols to preserve life/humanity.
The URE would create the ARK's. Thousands of space stations that where meant to keep humanity and creatures alive until the Corruption died off, and the ARK's could return back to Earth, get rid of the weakened/starved Corruption, and repopulate Earth.
The Federation on the other hand created the Genesis-ship. A massive (I mean fucking MASSIVE) colony ship that, in the case Earth couldn't be saved, was to send out every possible life into the cosmos in search for a planet that could harbor Earth life. Looking for an exact 1:1 of Earth.
Once both of these went out, life died off on Earth, and it became tidally locked.
The issue though with the way the ARK's where setup, is that they didn't fully know how Corruption worked.
Corruption, does not in fact die off over time.
Turns out, that shit only got stronger, and formed the titans. Physical manifestations of the Corruption hivemind.
So, the ARK's stay in space for hundreds to thousands of years, slowly breaking down and becoming more hostile as they age.

As for the reasoning for dinosaurs?
Gonna be honest, that shit I do agree was bad.
Tl;dr of it. They resurrected dinosaurs because "humans x dinosaur paring acted better then human x canine" (even though we literally have a fucking instinctual bond with dogs. But it is what it is I guess.)

[lyric tendon]

for me they expected for the clones' reaction to dinosaurs as a survival instinct rather than friendship

[bold dove]

I cope that they retcon the dinosaur explanation and give us something more interesting. Because that was in Gen1's glitches, and that map from what I recall didn't have a writer at the time.

[pseudo swan]

Some dogs bite, i guess they're corrupt variants

[bold dove]

Canonically, anything living can get corrupted. Just we only see specific creatures on Extinction be corrupted because...well

Takes money to make a whole new 3D asset.

The Corruption dossier shows a Corrupted bronto, for instance.

Oh, also. Reasoning why they give us the very same substance that destroyed our planet in the guardians as rewards, is because of the "know your enemy" mentality.
As it takes a literal global-scale war for Element to be remotely harmful to the environment, the amount given to Survivor's will never reach that amount. And so they give some Element for Survivor's to get used to it, create Tek, and once the ARK's land and destroy all Element/Corruption/Tek from Earth. Humanity would know how to handle with Corruption if it ever spread again in the future.

[bronze turtle]

ARK 2 Meeka boss fight

[bold dove]

Because it's not.
It's energy, like a soul.

Been hundreds of thousands of years. Most of the creatures during our time are fully extinct. Including non-cloned humans

Yes, but it's also separate if I recall.
It's tied to the brain via our consciousness. But it can live on without a brain.

Sure.
But it's not a tissue of any form

It's energy.

It's basically a pseudoscience explanation for a soul.

I wouldn't take any of that seriously. As Wildcard has a tendency of adding stuff just because it looks cool.
As they've done with the large skeletons that Scorched/Ab/Ext all have, that have no canonical references or relevance to the overall world.

Nope.
Those skeletons are way too large to be 'mini' titan's.
The one on Extinction is around the same size as the Ice Titan.
Yet, from what we know. Only three titans, the King Titan's generals, reached those sizes.

And?

Reapers aren't bio weapons

Yes there is.

Marc, the original writer, has confirmed their origins.

Ah, in that case then they are.
But again, what does reapers have anything to do with the skeleton?

Opposite.

Aberration Reapers are the original.

ARK's have the ability to create lifeforms from scratch.
They originated from Aberration.

If I recall, the proto-ARK's store the same information that the main ARK's do in orbit.
So if an ARK in orbit creates something, then the proto-ARK's can recreate that same entity.

Sure, but they don't need to breed to exist

The ARK's can just pump them out if they die off. Keep the population balanced.

No, that's just a cool effect Wildcard added.

Believe canonically, they're suppose to be wandering around like zombies.
They don't get the cool introduction of phasing into existence that the titans do.
They're not made out of pure Corruption.

It's a theory. But I guess it's the same as survivors.
They create them in vats in the depths of an ARK, then teleport them in regions nothing is around in. And the animal/survivor wakes up.

So, those are more like satellite dishes.

Titan's are confirmed to be pure Corruption, they're the physical manifestations of the hivemind. Closest we've gotten to aliens in ARK-1 outside of the astro-creatures.
The modules are to disconnect them from the hivemind.
As they're soulless creatures with no real mind. Once they get disconnected from the hivemind, they'll automatically serve the first thing they see. As their existence is to follow orders.

Actually, Extinction has a way of an ecosystem.

The proto-ARK's pump out animals, the animals get Corrupted and turn into new Corrupted creatures, they die off, and the cycle continues.

Sunken Forest is 100% just a last second addon.
They probably where working on Ext right after Ab, and saw how popular that was getting and shoehorned a fertile chamber-like biome.
I kid you not. There is no publicly available concept art of anything that looks like the sunken forest for Ext.
And there's a lot of public ARK concept art for their expansions.

I'm pretty fucking sure that it's barely even mentioned as well in the notes.

Still salty they replaced the forest proto-ARK we saw at the end of Aberration with the sunken forest.

Oh, nope. They're not.

So, there's a difference between them all.

Rockdrakes are mutated/ARK adapted (the ARK itself made them) animals from the radiation the Element was producing on Ab. As is the cause for the Aberrant creatures.
Ext-exclusive tames like gacha's aren't Corrupted. They've evolved alongside Element (not Corruption) to form a symbiotic relationship.
Shadowmanes/Noglins aren't Corrupted. They're animals Rockwell himself fully created.

It's a bit hard to tell, I also had issues with this until recently. But black tendril growths does **NOT ** mean Corruption. It's just the end-point of Element.
We can see this differences with the Obelisks having black tendrils.
As well as the "Element" Nodes being black tendrils, and the stuff on the Ext-creatures.

What specifically is "Corruption" is the growths on the Corrupted creatures (and now glowing purple eyes) as well as the Titans.
But, that's about it on Corruption.
The giant spires we see in Ext in the distance are just giant Element Nodes that've survived for a hella long time

Also, fun fact.
The OG ASE obelisks also had the black tendrils. They where just hella low poly.

That's the fun part.
Yes

And no.

It's complicated.

Element can still be harvested and refined into energy.
While in this state, it's also on small scales, safe. And even on larger scales, as long as it's properly filtered, it can be used safely.
We also know that Rockwell was influenced by Element to a degree. But we don't know outside of that how it behaves.
Corruption though is specifically the growths we find of Corrupted creatures/are the Titans.
It's confirmed that Corruption is full of malice and hatred, and wants to kill everything.
Corruption though, from what I know, outside of the nodules can't be used for energy anymore. And is a complete threat to all life.

Now, we don't know how Corruption formed. We just know it appeared after the Element-war.
It's likely pollution, but that's just the explanation of how "Element" spread so much. Not of how Corruption started.
As it stands, it's likely Corruption is the mature-stage of Element, but we don't have objective proof of this from what I recall. It could've been trigged by other means.

Element is a living organism either way. So it can have an endgoal

It also came from space.

[livid jackal]

i think HLNA is gonna blow up asa

[bold dove]

Well, no.

Element is intelligent.

[livid jackal]

how

[bold dove]

Not how that works.

Tek uses accentually cooked/dead Element.

Nothing to gain from what is just an alloy now.

More like smacking someone in Portal with a companion cube.

And it's intelligent, because it literally manipulated Rockwell into becoming mad.

Because of their symbiotic relationship with Element.
Also, we can assume they can get corrupted. Anything can in-canon.
We see a Corrupted bronto in the Corruption dossier that never appears in-game.

Going into headcanon territory.
But I think the differences between why Rockwell and Ext-creatures are different, even though they're both partially made out of Element now is two reasonings.
1: Rockwell directly injected liquid Element into his bloodstream. Causing a rapid mutation in his arm.
The Ext-creatures though (which where originally modern-day animals way back before the ARK's) started to rely on Element for survival. Whether that was Element's spores (yes, Element spreads via spores) or through indirect contact like radiation akin to the Aberrant animals. They, instead of rapidly forcing their mutation over seconds like Rockwell did, evolved to rely on Element in hundreds to thousands of years of rapid evolution.
2: the Ext-creatures by the end of the day are just animals that the only real benefit Element is getting out of them is stay on an animal that can defend it, and possibly spread its spores without worries.
Rockwell though, is a human.
Not just a normal human though, but a obsessed easily manipulative old man that wants nothing more but to learn the truths of the universe.
And Element can provide that for him. As long as he acts as its backup plan, just in-case the King-Titan ever dies.

tl;dr.
Ext-creatures are just so Element can survive and spread.
Rockwell is an actual trump card for it.

Hang on, I need to get someone smarter then me.

@mental basin Aye, are all of the Ext-animals suppose to be evolved creatures of modern-day animals, or just the snow owls?

Well, yeah.
The ARK's made the Reapers, and the ARK's are human-created stations. They'd be a indirect human creation, not aliens.

Skibidi toilet is technically canon to ARK.

To Tek humans, it'd be old pop-culture.
To the clones that came before Alien came out. It'd be mythical.

I wonder if Little Shop of Horrors is still talked about to any degree during the Element war.

Well, I believe the events aren't canon

And Club ARK has finally gotten out of the story-ark section of the menu. So I think we can finally confim that Club ARK isn't canon either.

Tamed titans get quirky when they're disconnected from the hivemind.

Indonesia?

Also, that's because Sanctuary was the last bastion that held humans before they died off, if I recall.

Ah, that's the funny part.

It changes depending on which ascension you go with

We don't know where Extinction is officially set.
The Island if I recall, shows Aberration right above the U.S.
Aberration shows, like you said, Indonesia.
Yet the official 3D model for Earth for Aberration shows Indonesia being covered in ice. Inhabitable.

But that's the issue.
The official texture for the Aberration version of Earth, has indonesia covered in ice.

And Extinction is set between where the Earth is freezing, and where it's being blasted by 600F+ baja-blast sun.

So, here are the locations it seems like are possible candidates for Extinction, if we take the Aberration Earth canon.
South-America, just on the far right of it.
The tip of Antarctica, is it seems to be dethawed to a degree now.
And the bottom portion of Europe.

I would've liked if south Africa was where Sanctuary was set.
But the entirety of Africa is in the deadset middle of being baja-blasted by the godrays that is the sun.

[cerulean path]

glass it

[main steppe]

I would be very curious to see what Extinction would have looked like had they leaned more into what the final Aberration cutscene shows earth looking like

[bold dove]

There's a new weather event that gives us the same greenish cloud with lightning effect Ab's Extinction had.

So, imagine that, with the wasteland being volcanic instead of sandy. And remove the sunken forest and place a forest proto-ARK to the far leftside of the map where we wake up from during the ending of Ab, and that's basically it.

Oh, and actually adding the FUCKING space elevator.

That we've seen so many times now.

I swear to fuck.
I am going to gain schizophrenia as a trait like in Fallout, if they tease us with a space elevator for Lost Colonies, then proceed to remove it in the final build.

[kindred burrow]

Wild wasteland

[terse tree]

where do i find rockwells first explore note on the island?

[bold dove]

Tiberium/Protomolecule from The Expanse

[lyric tendon]

Meks are different from the reseed protocol

the ARKs only have ONE shot and prefer the manual approach of killing the titans on the ground first or else whatever's inside the ARKs gets swamped by lesser titans and KT himself

[bold dove]

Flaw in the way they where designed.

The Corruption was still a new concept during the time the ARK's where constructed.
The U.R.E hoped it'd just die off over time.

Basically akin to what the Forerunners did to The Flood from Halo, if the installations where instead inaccessible and they didn't nuke the entire galaxy of all life.

[lyric tendon]

plus the role of the ARKs is restoration, not distruction

[bold dove]

Well, it would've been destruction if they knew how Corruption worked.

[lyric tendon]

that's a IF

for bunch of transhumans, they just dont have a foresight

[bold dove]

The ARK's have the capability to destroy Element/Corruption, as seen. But only on a smaller scale.

[bold dove]

@lyric tendon

[lyric tendon]

(no need to ping)

[bold dove]

Guess I could've done an up arrow.

[bold dove]

Anyway.
The ARK's have the capability to destroy Corruption. But the means is extremely smaller then it should've been.
Because the U.R.E expected the Corruption to die off over time.

In hindsight though, they're kind of fucking dumb for not putting two and two together.
They acknowledge that Element is Corruption, if I recall.
Yet never considered that Corruption could self-replicate without a host, like Element can.

[lyric tendon]

they never expected that spacemetal be alive

[bold dove]

That's not the point though.

They knew if I recall that it could grow. Alive or not. It's a crystal that, without the need for extra energy, can just infinitely grow. (infinite money glitch)

It can take awhile to probably.
But it can grow indefinably, without the need for any extra mass to be consumed.

[lyric tendon]

i mean it's a crystal

you can actually artificially grow one IRL

they explected that as a typical crystal

[bold dove]

Yeah. But that requires extra mass IRL.

Either water formation, or what have you.

Element can grow.
**Without ** mass.
(because it breaks every known laws of the universe)

Element is literally just the definition of "nah, I'mma do my own thing"

[bold dove]

Marc has confirmed the inspiration of Element is inspired by the Protomolecule.

And to be fair, most of the broad strokes of ARK's lore is just Command & Conquer.

[lyric tendon]

not AI, Homo deuses and ARK's preexisting programming

[bold dove]

The AI isn't omnipotent.
It's still running on protocols that the URE set them up with.

[bold dove]

Overseers are AI's.

[lyric tendon]

i thought overseers are controlled by collective thoughts of Homodeuses

[bold dove]

More-then-likely it'll turn out that both where sent to Earth as a way to weaken it by a more advanced species.

[lyric tendon]

yet she managed to communicate with one tho

[bold dove]

They're AI's.
Homo-Deus's can just temporarily control them if they need to.

How was that a retcon?

[lyric tendon]

where in the note stated that?

i recall it's homodeuses, not AI

[bold dove]

Stel awhile ago stated this if I recall, and gave evidence.
Would need to ask him again.

That's because they're different.

[lyric tendon]

again she managed to communicated with one this creating the respawning system
Helena is more the last homodeus created

it's literally in her note lmao

[bold dove]

Aberration had liquid Element, which on its own is radioactive. (a mutatable type of radiation then the normal IRL radiation we have)
Extinction has Corruption, a infestation deprived from Element.
Both though are hiveminds. And Element's endgoal is likely to become Corruptive.
Corruption's motive also is more akin to Tiberium, as it's soul purpose is to kill all life on Earth.

[lyric tendon]

they dont reuse them when they die

the point of the ARK is having the best survivors, not reusing failed ones, hence the permadeaths

not really, so that way the character's death is more impactful (Nerva is a great example)

[bold dove]

Should be noted that before Helena basically reworked the ARK's, once you died on an ARK you died forever.
You only had once chance of being recloned.
Though, it's never confirmed if that's specific to that ARK station, or the entirety of every ARK that you're blacklisted from.

[lyric tendon]

that is more gameplay than lore

the lore is the perspective of the characters

Helena never choose to become homodeus, she just saw fancy crystal while Mei is beaten up by lesser titans

[bold dove]

It's new in the concept of it.
She help rework the aspects of the ARK that, instead of moving onto the next clone once you die and being replaced. You'd be replaced with a copy of your body, with your current engramic matrix placed into the new body.
This is the canonical explanation for respawning. As you do, canonically, recall all of your deaths.
Helena was the one that allowed the ARK's to do this specific feature.

[lyric tendon]

you never read the last paragraph

all the events in the notes is before the existence of respawning

[bold dove]

The U.R.E where very transhumanistic and had weird believes. So I wouldn't put it past them to only clone humans once due to their ideology, and the fear of possibly driving someone insane from the concept of immortality.

[lyric tendon]

that is not the ARKs work, if the URE wants respawning in an infinite clone sense, they can just scrap the engrammic matrix and just reuse the same Tek Era survivors thus no Helena, no Rockwell, no Nerva, no Mei

huh

[bold dove]

To be honest, they're very tree-hugger like of a mindset, if the lore has told us anything.

[lyric tendon]

Earth will not be saved without Helena's persuasion against the Homo deus

[bold dove]

Pretty sure they U.R.E and Federation already tried direct conflict with the Corruption, and that didn't pan out.
Each clone you'd just be sending in more food for the Corruption to grow its own strength. Even if you can get their engramic matrix's back, you'd still be throwing perfectly good bodies for the Corruption to take over.

She didn't break an ARK, to be fair

That was the Tek tribe that was previously there that she later on encounters.

[lyric tendon]

even if so, Helena is the whole reason the reseed protocol has been greenlighted

if your idea of just reused clones, it will be the same mistake as the first attempt

[bold dove]

One person, versus millions.
You're more making it an inconvenience for yourself if you die.
By the time The Survivor reached Earth, they should have basic knowledge of most aspects of their situation to minimalize death.

[lyric tendon]

it did and again barely made a success thus KT retreated

it's not a success, if they did the reseed protocol wouldve called earlier before we touched the ARKs

[bold dove]

There's no official canon of The Survivors era they came from. So if it makes more logical sense to you. The Survivor can 100% come from a time Corruption was starting to become rampant.

[bold dove]

That's my personal headcanon for one of my Survivors.
An (now ex) Terran Federation solider that was a high ranking general.

[lyric tendon]

welcome to writing for a video game where "the plot must happen" IS the requirement

[lyric tendon]

cough Bibimbop the Neanderthal

[bold dove]

Okay, so if you're taking into account the engrams. It should be noted that's 100% just gameplay.
The engrams are only canon in the sense of the Engramic Matrix.

[bold dove]

Different character.

That's only a gameplay aspect.

[lyric tendon]

what prequel? this ain't star wars lmao

[bold dove]

I don't care what era you're from.
If you're butt-ass naked with no tools. You're going to start making stone tools before you can get your luxuries advanced technology back. Where you have to handcraft everything.

[lyric tendon]

wat

[bold dove]

I know how a firearm works IRL.
But I ain't going to make a gun anytime soon if I'm thrown into a forest with only my boxers on.

[lyric tendon]

again remind you that most chunk of the lore is just characters trying to figuring out WTH is going on and why they are in some space zoo

most of them dont know anything about Tek

[bold dove]

Should also be noted that a lot of aspects of early ARK mechanics are 100% just gameplay aspects.
The lore was still being worked on during 2015-2016.
Wasn't till mid 2017 that they finally finalized the first batch of canon notes that they've kept since today.

[lyric tendon]

because it is not possible, the clones are one use only before helena decided to tinker the system

[bold dove]

Oh, I see.

Yeah, there's actually a lot of references in ARK.

[lyric tendon]

aka your age is showing lmao

[bold dove]

Mega mek x King Titan is reference to Pacific Rim

Then there's the obvious "xenomorph" BP name for reapers.

Yerp

[lyric tendon]

no more like power rangers hence the IP DLC lmao

we talked about this many times now

[bold dove]

Jeremy is showing is 40+ year old age.

[lyric tendon]

ok weeb

not really it is made by the same company

[bold dove]

Oh, so it's like OG Resident Evil was the English version of "Biohazard"

[lyric tendon]

Saban owned both IIRC

doesnt matter if it's owned by the same company

Power Rangers is just the International version of Super Sentai, it's called adaptation

GoBot and Transformers however, i agree

jokes on you i am already asian

[bold dove]

[lyric tendon]

Tek Creatures is not really canon

it's just there to promote Extinction

[bold dove]

Well, they're kind of established canon now with them sticking to Extinction on ASA.

[lyric tendon]

no dossier tho

[bold dove]

No dossier doesn't make something non-canon.

[lyric tendon]

not having one doesnt mean they are either, who knows it's "for gameplay reason"

[bold dove]

I don't think they're the most farthest reaches aspects of the IP, honestly.
It's a headcanon, but I can imagine like the enforcers, they where to see if biomechanical life could exist instead of organic life against Corruption.
Downside.
Since they're more intelligent then enforcers, they still could get corrupted by the Corruption.

[bold dove]

Sure.
But that means that they're in a limbo state of being canon or non-canon. Like the voted in creatures.
Not established to be either or. (expect for the rhynio that has one.)

[lyric tendon]

didn't those have dossiers or it's just schematics with no context

[bold dove]

Enforcers have dossiers, yes?

[lyric tendon]

i hate the rhynio for that reason, Helena doesnt know anything about Tek which is what cryopods are until Ab

[bold dove]

That's why the dossiers are iffy with their consistency. And I don't take the "if it has a dossier it's canon" approach.

[lyric tendon]

there is a tribe called the Burning Phoenix exists

[bold dove]

We got wyverns, dragons, and a reality warping super-substance.
Nah, I'm chill with the phoenix.

[lyric tendon]

i mean, it's ARK

[bold dove]

A reality warping substance that's a metal, yet alive, but also not mechanical, yet also is organic yet a metal at the same time is feasable?

[lyric tendon]

helena literally described the golem in her notes, so the Phoenix is not too far off what the ARK is capable off

[bold dove]

But they're literally not. As I stated

Element is also organic, and spreads akin to a fungus via spores.

But it also is a metal.

And it's a hivemind.

And it can rapdily mutate a human body to be 10x its size without needing food or burning energy.

[lyric tendon]

no those are adapted to element, they are not "Tek Creatures"

[bold dove]

Element is the farthest you can get to "feasible"
That's cope if anyone thinks it is.

[lyric tendon]

not cyborgs either

[bold dove]

But they're not, also.
The Element growths are organic.

[lyric tendon]

they just evolved into it

Snow Owls in Ext are just Snow Owls IRL

[bold dove]

Technically anything can evolve a jet engine if natural selection tries hard enough.

[lyric tendon]

squids says hi

[bold dove]

We get a beetle IRL that can shoot small flames out of its ass.

[lyric tendon]

i am more baffled by the fact that Helena thinks velos are plants

[bold dove]

Welcome to ARK, where the far off isn't that far off.

The whole point of ARK-1's story is "what if politics gained a substance that can literally make any of their dreams come true?"
That, and to act as a slight anti-fossil fuel storyline.

[lyric tendon]

not really in the notes

see bronto dossier, she literally just forgoes the scientific consencious (in her time) and just named the bronto "whatever she wants to"

[bold dove]

Pro-nuclear, anti-fossil.

Correct.
And when it isn't, it turns into a blackish tar-like substance.
Aka, oil.

Element pollutes.

[lyric tendon]

doubt on pro-nuclear when the lore is written when news of nuclear disasters happened

[bold dove]

Marc has also directly stated that Corruption is a nod towards fossil fuel.

(political stupidity)

[lyric tendon]

kinda weird the substance that emits radiation is called element

which is a nuclear thing tbh

[bold dove]

Yeah, I don't blame humanity for stupidity.
I blame individuals and groups that where clearly in the wrong.

[lyric tendon]

oil dont emit radiation nor mutate animals, just made pollution and give animals cancer

[bold dove]

Also, just saying Mazzy. Marc has directly stated in his Reddit QnA that Corruption is oil.

[lyric tendon]

not really the point

the point here "element" and "radiation" and the concept of mutating animals is more nuclear coded (by mainstream media means)

not the point, reread again

[bold dove]

Should be noted that Nuclear doesn't really mutate in the way you're imagining. Nuclear's radiation is more likely to kill you then ever mutate you.

Element from ARK, I believe.

Outside first, then inside.
It'll burn your skin, while seeping into your skin, theeeen burn you from the inside as well.

[lyric tendon]

i said by "mainstream media means" like in cartoons, games, and movies

[bold dove]

Ah, in that case then yeah.
Cliche radiation, Marvel style, does mutate.

[lyric tendon]

nuclear use an element

[bold dove]

Uranium.

[lyric tendon]

AN

AN is a single thing not a mix of things

hydrogen dioxide is multiple elements

[bold dove]

Man, I wish there was an element that was "AM"

[bold dove]

Wait, there is!

Americium, also shortened to "AM"

[lyric tendon]

i am trying to emphasize the word "AN" in "an Element"

[bold dove]

I can make an AM joke from "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream"

And to be fair, Gen2 does show that if used correctly. It can lead to more wonderful creations then destructions.
As long as you keep kicking the hivemind and make sure it doesn't spread.

Also, this is why I'm kind of more down with the Terran Federation taxing/privatizing Element. Unlike the U.R.E that wanted it to be open to the public.
You may be able to find a few trusting people. But statistically, there's going to come a time that some asshat accidently allows it to go rampant.
And that statistic will only increase if you allow "everyone" to own Element.

[lyric tendon]

black market says hi

windmills

and i am not joking, gas powered (anything) was never mentioned in the lore yet there are windmills in Raia's notes

[bold dove]

Okay, to be fair. That's because the most advanced person those notes mentioned was John, if I recall.
Which came from a time where gas-powered engines where "JUST" becoming a thing.

[lyric tendon]

wat, i just said gas wasnt mentioned anything that includes SE

and it's not John, it's that engineer that Raia namedropped

is it Sasha?

[bold dove]

Something like that.

Wait, so if gas isn't mentioned in the notes. Does that mean it isn't canon?

(jk, don't hurt me)

[lyric tendon]

(oooh i will >:D)

[bold dove]

Oh my god, someone that actually knows the differences between "canon" and "cannon" and made a joke about it without fucking it up.

Seen way too many "cannon" jokes spelt with "canon."

[lyric tendon]

The difference between them is one makes ships and the other sinks ships lmao

[lofty scaffold]

That's what rockwell wanted to be essentially

That story is only like 10 pages and yet it's creepy asf

[lofty scaffold]

Yeah it's not like everyone has a right to the oil under our feet I agree with the line of thinking tho that it's just 1 bad day away from someone erasing a country off the face of the earth because ele is worth way more then oil and more deadly then a nuclear bomb

[bronze turtle]

ARK 2 Meeka boss fight

[simple vessel]

hello everybody

[little wave]

i love how dedicated yall are to lore. thank you guys

[lyric tendon]

just be like me and ignore Genesis and beyond

the real story of ARK (which is about the ARKs itself) is Island to Ext before the cutscenes

[lyric tendon]

nah i like the OG story better, the permadeath and the difference of culture makes the story engaging, if they just "respawned" or "recloned" especially if all the characters are in the same era, the story has no or even less of an impact

[split palm]

Anyone want to play through the story map by map on official?

[lyric tendon]

does it have lore?

[split palm]

I'm playing as Theodore Roosevelt so I guess?

Tribe is the rough riders

[lyric tendon]

i am trying to say here is you are in a wrong chat
#1110949794907684965 is what you are looking for

[split palm]

Awesome thank you 🙂

[cosmic cosmos]

Corrupted element bombs that spread and damages structures and people would be quite scary😭

[bold dove]

That's kind of what people what to deal with during the Element-war.

The entirety of New Zealand and the west-coast of the U.S got nuked out of existence.

[cosmic cosmos]

I'm just getting into the lore side of ARK so quite interesting to hear about it.

[cosmic cosmos]

If anyone's willing to explain or knows lmao, what exactly is Lost Colony supposed to be and how does it connect to either of the stories?

[lofty scaffold]

Man the arks would have so many bugs and glitches

[bold dove]

Lost Colony is going to be set either in or around Arat-Prime. The launch site for the Genesis ship.
It'll be a connector/filler map set between Extinction and Gen1. As currently back in ASE, there's a huge narrative gap between Extinction and Gen1.
More then likely due to the fact Ext was originally going to be the finale of ARK-1, making Gen1 feel disconnected currently to the main storyline.

[distant lichen]

will ragnarok have its own bobs tall tales dino? if so what is it ( im posting it here cus i assume everybody would know all about it )

[main mural]

this is not a lore question.
no, bobs was just SE, Ab, and ext.
it will have the giant bison and a fantastic tame.

[bold dove]

It'll probably have a Fantastic Tames. But BTT is only for story maps.

[bold dove]

Gen1-2 is getting Bobs True Tales.

[main mural]

thats true tales. not tall tales. and its not the same purchase anyway.

and its about rag

[bold dove]

Fair

Calling it now.
Bob is going to be in Lost Colony somehow. Either as a note survivor that came from an ARK that landed. Or an actual NPC.

Huge copium moment and schitzo theory.
They'll redesign the Genesis missions completely to make them more serious and heavily narrative driven. And we'll get Bob as an NPC in them, as him being on Genesis is what's true about his tales.

[meager ferry]

Yep, seems like they are recanoning the story as they go .

[bold dove]

Recanoning?

[meager ferry]

Basically alterations being made as they introduce more dlc content to the main story.

[main mural]

what would that be tho

[meager ferry]

Cuz bob somehow ends up on genesis.

[main mural]

besides the intro/ascension cutscenes changing

[bold dove]

Assuming my copium theory is correct.
As it stands, he's just an ARK-2 character.

[bold dove]

They didn't change them between ASE/ASA. They're still the same.
The BTT intro/outro's are new though. Though that's not really a change, more of an addition.

[meager ferry]

How is he an ark 2 character ? Bro is literally the default character .

[main mural]

they are all after gen2 as well. bobs tall tale is him telling stories to meeka. not what actually happened.

[bold dove]

Bob is his own character.
The Survivor and Bob are seperate.

[bold dove]

Additionally. That, as Jeremy has stated. Are "tall" tales.
Meaning they're all BS.

[main mural]

bobs true tales maybe different we don't know anything about them.

[main mural]

still think its funny that people didn't get it from the name 😂

[bold dove]

That's where my copium kicks in, and I hope he's some character we interact with in Lost Colony, that'll transition somehow to Genesis.
I can see him being 'on' the Genesis ship. But as Bob and The Survivor are seperate characters, there's no way he did any of the pre-Genesis shit that we, The Survivor did.

[main mural]

he was there before us with the rest of the helena & co people

[bold dove]

I'm calling it.
Bob knew us in some way, either from stories or direct contact. And since The Survivor is presumably MIA in ARK-2 it seems. He's keeping out legacy alive via self-inserting himself as us to help Meeka.

[bold dove]

TAS isn't canon though.

[main mural]

no, like thats what he is talking about

[bold dove]

Oh right, I see what you mean.

[main mural]

the stories he tells are about the helena and co group. not us.
he would've been with them not us.
also TAS is just a different story. and he died on the island

hopefully lost colony and bobs true tales show more about how far apart and actually explain the inbetween parts.

[meager ferry]

He already went through that non sense on earth to get to genesis since he is basically recanting the stories of the main characters through his perspective, which is a way for the devs to attempt to shoehorn some extra lore to address some plot holes.

[bold dove]

Okay, so here's the thing though I realized with this.
In no point during the notes is Bob mentioned in the ASA versions. Which, you'd think they would if he's so important.
By the end of Extinction, it was only Mei and Diana left that where part of the original Tek tribe back on Aberration. So you'd think that they'd also would include Bob in their notes, as the last 'three' members.
So, either Wildcard got lazy and never rewrote the notes to actually keep them consistent. Or Bob being with Helena-and-crew is the Tall tales.

[main mural]

I'm pretty sure he doesn't actually exist lol.

he is just ark 2. maybe genesis

[bold dove]

Yeah, that's what I'm going with until proven otherwise.
Though that begs the question. How the fuck did he hear about all of these stories of WAY before his time?
-Copium mode activated again: since we The Survivor have direct contact with Helena. She could've retold some of the important moments to us, as well as us finding and non-damaged notes and piecing things together. Then Bob heard about those events from us and went with it.

[main mural]

probably just from santiago. or the ship's stuff before it broke

[bold dove]

Or the entirety of Bob's Tall Tales is just non-canon. And the only canon thing about them is the information they give off, like Diana being Meeka's mother.

[main mural]

him telling the stories is canon.

ark 2 canon

[bold dove]

I keep forgetting that Santiago is an actual character, and not just Vin Diesel.

[meager ferry]

Yup if they decide to do true tales on lost colony , they have an additional perspective to explain what happened in the transition from earth to genesis , or that could be saved until genesis.

[main mural]

the roadmap just put genesis as true tales. lost colony will be its own DLC and stuff

[meager ferry]

Bobs lost tales .
Bruh

[main mural]

why would they do a double DLC tho? they'd just include it in lost colony

[bold dove]

With BTT costing 30$ USD for what it essentially additions to existing maps. I wonder if Lost Colony will be 30$ - 40$ USD for the map.
I can imagine that if that'll be their only story map for ASA.

[main mural]

BTT was for 3 maps. I doubt it'll be that much. probably 20$ like all the others.

maybe 25$

[solemn stirrup]

Doesn’t gen 2 call for a sequel?

[bold dove]

That's ARK-2

[bold dove]

Three maps, but not as much content as the previous.
Item wise, sure. But tame wise, it only gave us three compared to ASE maps where we got like 5 minimal.
There's also the fact this'll be their first ever unique map for ASA. So who knows what type of systems they'll add.

The Genesis pass was the only way to get the Genesis maps. And that was 35$ USD for two full scape maps. (with one of them being arguably one of the smallest maps in ASE.)

Especially if they're limiting themselves to one new story map for the entirety of ASA. (assuming Lost Colony is their only paid map)
They probably want to go all out on it I'd imagine.

[lyric tendon]

I hope so or else it's another ext situation

[lyric tendon]

using element against the literal avatar of element is like fighting fire with fire lmao with none of the wanted results

sure you killed titans with them but so does the environment they tried to save and free from element taint

which is not the goal of the 2 factions at all

they want to make earth liveable not glassed to unuseability

[fallow sapphire]

i think it would heavily depend on the element concentration within the bombs themselves, cause like Mazzy said it could make things worse

killing the king titan with them might be beneficial, but the element within them might bring the element concentration back enough to summon more titans

[fallow sapphire]

fair, but there are also other factors you have to take into account. First, the king titan in lore is substantially stronger then the king titan we face. Second, he's intelligent so odds of him just letting a bomb drop on him are incredibly low. Third, (atleast in game) non-element based attacks do reduced damage to all the titans, meaning standard 20th century weaponry wouldn't do substantial damage

fire doesnt exactly do a ton of damage to begin with

fair in this case, but i mean in the general sense he wouldn't just sit around for something to try and kill him

if i remember correctly, it isnt the arks releasing the osd's to begin with

fair, but thats also using a element based construct and firing device to shoot said explosive

looking at the notes to see if i'm right or wrong, gimme a sec

yeah it doesnt make total sense especially as you dont get that much element from them lol

i mean the king titan can summon meteors, i kinda doubt an osd would do much more damage then that

my assumption would be cause they weren't intended to return to the surface

yeah, this is one of those situations where connecting gameplay and lore wasn't done the best realistically

honestly idek why their existence was explained, its not like any other supply drop's existence has been explained outside of them being in the hall of history for some reason

thats not the problem, the problem is that nobody in the notes ever mentions them

but they mention the obelisks

i would assume the floating beams of light that give supplies would be worth mentioning if you're gonna mention the floating obelisks in the sky

and also their existence on ab makes no sense, seeing as the overseer arena and hall of history is, well, no longer a thing

[shy tree]

I like to think that Helena Deus sends these drops herself for us on purpose as she guides us on extinction a bit

Got no proof or anything though

[lyric tendon]

she cant create things, she only tinkers with the technology exist at the moment

we just don't know where in the world does the OSDs come from

i hope Lost Colony answers that tbh

[bold dove]

We'll just ignore that the Mega mek, and presumably the plasma that the sword blade uses is totally not made out of Element.

[lyric tendon]

already charged/spent stabilized element vs raw element nuke

plus the sword is glass-like, just charged by element
see Santiago's Grave

[bold dove]

I'm like 90% sure there's no such thing as "stabilized" Element that we're thinking of.
Every, single, Tek device produces spores for Element to spread. Even in it's battery/refined form.
Meks likely indirectly spread Element as well with their boosters on their legs that consume Element. Which, would spread Element.
A tek nuke would possibly produce more spores with a higher explosion. But all Tek still encourages Element to spread in some way.

There might actually be a mathematical equation that Tek WMD might reach such high temperatures that it cooks the spores. Making it mute in spreading it, compared to generators or the mek boosters that don't reach high enough temps to kill the spores.

[lyric tendon]

i recall its the refined element (unstable/stable element item)

same way how stryders extracted element

[bold dove]

That's what I'm saying though.
Even refined Element can spread if burnt up in converting it into energy.
There's no "100%" safe Element. Anything Element-based can/will produce spores.
That's why the URE's philsophy on Element with the ARK's was "fuck it, we're getting rid of all of it" to make sure no traces of Element survives. And that means every Tek-device as well being shut down permanently. (Sanctuary crumbles)
While the Federation, at least on the Genesis ship, thought they could use Element safely if they just kept the spreading of it at a minimal with Stryders.

Also, original message of this point was deleted. So I assume the question was "why didn't they just nuke the King Titan?"

[lyric tendon]

yeeeeeeeeeeep

[bold dove]

To answer that.
It's because the Titan's didn't form until near the end of The Collapse, when the Corruption growths/plague destroyed most human infostructures. Zombie apocalypse-style.

"When" at the end, I think is unconfirmed.
But since I think it was after the ARK's launched, most of humanity on Earth where already mostly dead/already could've been extinct by the time the Titan's formed.

I'm gonna make some coffee roll quick.
If you remember who it was. You mind Replying to my message while tagging them?

[lyric tendon]

probably left 🤷

[distant lichen]

what is a fantastic tame

[bold dove]

The 5$ USD creatures like the Shadowmane/Dreadmare

[lament raft]

pyromane

[lyric tendon]

same difference™️

[lament raft]

model wise yes

[lyric tendon]

ability wise as well, the only thing unique about the pyro is turning into a kitten

[lament raft]

idk i never really used shadowmanes

[main mural]

pyromane doesn't have a teleport, AOE buff, ability to go underwater, stun, or thornmail poison.
shadowmane doesn't have a trail (fire trail), campfire inventory, give insulation, fuel structures, shoulder pet mode, or fire in general.
the only abilities they actually share is their jump, sleep and natural armor.

[lyric tendon]

most of the pyro is not even unique for a standalone creature

campfire inventory - magma and phoenix
insulation - otter and dimetro
fire trail - again phoenix

at least the shadow comes with the map which is makes up with the drake-forcer abilities

anyways

[main mural]

most creatures in ark don't have things that are unique. it is not the same thing as a shadowmane. its essentially the opposite of a reskin like people like saying.

don't think the phoenix's fire trail does anything.

pretty sure its just a "cool effect"

[lyric tendon]

again the issue i have with pyro is features for price

shadowmane just comes free with the maps

[main mural]

wasn't about that. just saying its not the same thing as a shadowmane.
not worth it doesn't matter when the question wasn't about worth

[lyric tendon]

anyways

[bronze turtle]

ARK 2 Meeka boss fight

[mental basin]

I get what you're saying, but almost every creature in the game has some kind of quirk even if minor lol

Not that Hesperonis Eggs being able to be boiled into earlygame oil is useful or anything, but

It exists, for whatever reason

Pick any dino and I'll tell you its quirk when I wake back up lmao

[turbid seal]

So is there a name for the entire database that holds all the data of survivors engramic matrix

[lyric tendon]

that's it

Engrammic Matrix

[main mural]

pyromane has a lot of unique stuff lol. making jerky, shoulder pet transformation, the flamethrower on your shoulder, most of its attacks, fuel for structures, the effect it gives for insulation making you immune to lava, and even the flaming poop lol.
and thats just not true. lots of creatures don't have any kind of specials. if you are gonna count stat differences then pyromane also fits that for shadowmane.

even its drag weight is different since pyromane can be bola'd

[mental basin]

No really, point me out a dinosaur and there's likely to be some kind of special quirk not many others have

Not necessarily an ability, but the unique thing about ARK is that almost every dinosaur has something special about 'em

[bold dove]

Doesn't the dodo have a function (that's almost useless because it never works) that carnivores are suppose to go after tamed dodo's before any other tames in a group?

[main mural]

paraceratherium only has the platform saddle

[main mural]

it poops eggs.

[mental basin]

Supposedly, and it's a really good egg layer.

[main mural]

not very useful anymore with both the bio-grinder and the oviraptor picking up eggs tho

[bold dove]

Yep

Biogrind baby giga's.

[main mural]

easier just to tame a bunch and grind them if you wanted simple kibble.

[main mural]

bio-grinding adults is better.

[bold dove]

-ARK does not support animal cruelty.

[bold dove]

Oh right, isn't it something like HP-based or something?

[main mural]

I don't know. but adults always give kibble.

[bold dove]

Thought babies did too.
Thought the current meta in PvP is to make a tower around a biogrinder full of mating tames (parasaurs or what have you) have a fuck ton of AC's right underneath it, and allow the eggs to each and for the babies to grind up into kibble.

[mental basin]

True, BUT, Paracers are the only dino with a Platform Saddle that appear on every map.

[main mural]

it doesn't always give kibble unless adults. they are probably just using numbers to make it worth it.

[bold dove]

Ah, that's fair.

[bold dove]

Plesiosaur.

Coelacanth.

Mosasaur.

Trilobites.

uuuh

Rockwell?

[mental basin]

Plesios don't follow you up to the surface past a point, which is a trait shared between a few others such as the Mosa, they always drop a Flare Skin when killed

[main mural]

don't think thats true anymore

the flare skin

[bold dove]

That's fair. Though pretty sure you can negate that system if you just control it to go up on the surface.

[mental basin]

Instantly goes into your hands when killed, Aberrant Coels are misspelled Abberant Coels

[bold dove]

That's still a thing in ASA?

[mental basin]

No clue

Might be an ASE thing though

[bold dove]

Pretty sure that's all fishes though

[main mural]

it was fixed.

[bold dove]

Piranha's and salmons.

[bold dove]

Oh, so it was removed?

[main mural]

the name

[bold dove]

Ah

[main mural]

it was in ASE

so not a thing on either version.

[bold dove]

That would've been funny if they accidently kept that, again.

[mental basin]

Damage scales 1:1 with the Mosa, where any % of Melee it has is the Melee it'll do

[mental basin]

Take severely increased damage from Diplocaulus, which also harvests them instantly like a Bary

[bold dove]

I forgot the Diplocaulus even existed.

[mental basin]

In every Rockwell fight, he's uh, stationary. I dunno, he's not that unique since he ain't really a creature.

[main mural]

thats saying more on the diplo then trilo 😂

[bold dove]

He certainly ain't human.

[mental basin]

Kinda, but it still applies.

[main mural]

there are 3 dinos that do. the other 2 are bosses tho lol

[mental basin]

Ahh, very cool, what are those?

[main mural]

Hati and Sköll on fjordur

[mental basin]

oooh, very nice

[bold dove]

Off topic, but how've you been Stel?

[mental basin]

Work work work

[bold dove]

Understandable.

Mind if I can dm you after work?

[mental basin]

I'm not at work, but probably

[bold dove]

Oh.
You mind if I can dm you now?

[mental basin]

Yeah but I might be a little busy

[lyric tendon]

Tbf he is the only stationary boss

[main mural]

corrupted master controller

[lyric tendon]

Damn yeah also rockwell prime as well

[main mural]

I was gonna say its the only boss that has 2 different fights 🤷

rockwell and rockwell prime

[lyric tendon]

I dunno rockwell prime has stage fights as well like CMC

Rockwell is just same per round

[bold dove]

Rockwell has stages.

[lyric tendon]

Rockwell just shoot tentacle, shoot heart, repeat

[bold dove]

Stage 1: nothing.
Stage 2: Electric boogaloo
Stage 3: Reapers/Nameless

[bold dove]

Stages change each quarter of his health

He doesn't summon creatures/does electric tentacles from the start

[lyric tendon]

I never noticed because he is waaay too easy

[bold dove]

Goes by pretty fast. But he 'does' have stages.

[bold dove]

Oh, also. There's the new voice lines that the narrative ones only trigger when a new stage is active.

[lyric tendon]

Personally not a fan of it, he is more annoying than HLNA

I miss roarwell

[bold dove]

Believe he'll offer godhood/Element to The Survivor only during his last stage/when reapers come.

[bold dove]

My issue with it personally, is just the lip syncing is non-existent at all.
As well as, yeah, them reusing the Rockwell Prime injured scream for his Ab roar, instead of just keeping his monstrous roar.

[lyric tendon]

Just the off script lines turns me off

Plus i prefer him just roaring, like no humanity left in him

[main mural]

maybe he has multiple mouths

[bold dove]

Off script?

[main mural]

don't even think he uses mouths in genesis lol

the intro cutscene doesn't don't think

[lyric tendon]

The walls

[bold dove]

(that would literally defeat the purpose also of the Gen2 Rockwell)

[bold dove]

He speaks through his eyes.

[main mural]

maybe he does that in aberration too

[lyric tendon]

Remember his body is different in Gen2

Rockwell Prime is not an unrecognizable mess, you can still see the David Tenant face compared to Ab Rockwell

[bold dove]

But his consciousness is the same.
If his humanity was completely gone, he'd just be a mindless monster through and through.

I do think Rockwell should've sounded more fucked up in his speech, if we are to assume Ab Rockwell is speaking through his mouth and not telepathically.

[bronze turtle]

His apology

[bold dove]

?

[ancient perch]

So what the hell is that giant skeleton in the wasteland on Extinction? It’s like 4x larger than the King Titan.

[bold dove]

A questionably canon skeleton they added because it's cool.

Same as the dinosaur skeleton on Aberration that's from a dinosaur we've never seen.
Thing was like 3x bigger then a Giga.

[ancient perch]

Hah, I’d have liked to see it alive or was wondering if I missed a note on what it is.

[lyric tendon]

Nope it's "just for cool"

[pliant lichen]

Guys can some one explain me how do I give a full color Dino the stats I want for example, I have a full white dino but I have the save Dino with top stats, how do I make the stats goes to the colored dino?

[lyric tendon]

does it have lore?

[pliant lichen]

What do u mean mate?

[lyric tendon]

you are in a wrong chat
go to #bobs-with-probs

[pliant lichen]

Oh didn’t know mb

[torpid fjord]

Nerds

[torpid fjord]

It will take multiple generations of trials and error before you get it or luck

[bronze turtle]

So they way I see it, the main characters in ark two is an ancestor of vin dessel, he got stuck on the ark and races dinos to win his freedom, racing is in his blood, maybe the creators of the arks programmed into his DNA

[lyric tendon]

nah it's just Vin Diesel self-inserting himself

given the clones of Genesis is about inserting memories into different bodies and what not

[proud socket]

It's a clone of turreto from fast and furious. The only thing we haven't seen Dom do is use a t Rex like a jump. For family.

[bronze turtle]

Everytime he dies he wakes up as a new clone , keeps all his memories from the previous clones

[ancient perch]

I need this to happen in the game, also a Rex drift/skid.

[proud socket]

Rex drift to swing back around then has a head on collision with Jason Statham where they end up evenly matched

[proud socket]

Gets to the chamber with all the clone bodies and sees Riddick

[native forge]

Random Sunday question. 😁
What’s your favorite STORY map & why ?
Since ASE ….Extinction has always been my fav! I think it mostly has to do with the lore and the fact that we’re actually back on “earth” and not on an “ARK”.

[torpid fjord]

Nerds

Need to keep the streak of calling yall lore doggers nerds

[proud socket]

Aberration. Rockwells decent into madness and the tek people blowing up obelisks and screwing themselves over leaving a permanently unique ark. I also find it interesting that it's mentioned when the obelisk blew up, the ground opened up and that whole eco system was already down there thriving and no one would have ever known.

[proud socket]

Sounds like a typical offline raider coward

[torpid fjord]

I do not offline raid

Only weaklings do

[proud socket]

I'm just making jabs back at ya. Lol

[lyric tendon]

i mean it is meant to be the finale of the story about the ARK themselves

i wished it stayed that way, Genesis to ARK 2 is no longer a story about the ARKs, so why bother baring the title as such when it could just be its own separate story in the ARK "universe"

i would be happier if they explored the Tek War that Leading up to the ARK project... i don't give a damn about colonizing different planets, that trope is overdone and not about the ARKs anymore so IDC

looking forawrd to Lost Colony tho

[fallow sapphire]

for gameplay, i love Genesis. Such a rich atmosphere, interesting concepts, incredibly challenging. The missions were an interesting concept, i do enjoy them though i do say they could be better.

story wise though, i'd have to say Aberration. It's such a rich story, and of course our main man Rockwell achieves his godhood there. Plus we get our first introduction to (the better) Santiago, and we have Mei and Diana's relationship which i feel was done rather well

[west kernel]

Because if the game was called Arat survival or something like that people wouldn’t recognise the game as much as if they said Ark 2

[bold dove]

To be fair, standalone sequels that aren't named after their prequel is a thing.
Though, that's more of a thing with books

Pitch Black and Chronicles of Riddick, for example.

[west kernel]

Yeah but if you had been let’s say

4 years without playing Ark, and there was a new game, called Arat Dinosaur evolving and Ark 2 what would you recognise first?

[bold dove]

Why would there be an ARK-2 in this situation?
Arat: Dinosaur Evolving 'would' be ARK-2

Chronicles of Riddick is a sequel to Pitch Black.

[west kernel]

It’s just marketing.

[bold dove]

How would that be marketing?
In this situation we're talking about. There'd be no ARK-2. It'd be called "Arat: Dinosaur Evolving"

[west kernel]

Because people do tend to recognise the game as Ark, it’s just that simple, if they changed the name maybe a part of the community that isn’t so hardcore, or it’s relatively new wouldn’t recognise the game.

Let’s not take Ark, let’s just take Call of Duty, if the next game was called just Duty in Warzone, you wouldn’t know it’s a Call of Duty.

[bold dove]

If they changed it now, yeah there'd be issues.
But if they changed the title before the project was revealed. It'd look like a totally different game, as it basically is.
But for anyone interested in the narrative, people would learn that it's a sequel to ARK, and is set in the ARK universe.
Also, roll quick. Rambo, a big IP back then, wasn't called "Rambo" originally. First movie was called 'First Blood.'

[west kernel]

And that’s the thing, they don’t want it to be seen as a different projects.

[bold dove]

Even though it essentially is outside of the narrative.

[west kernel]

It’s just a waiting thing now.

Nothing we can say about the narrative about Ark 2.

Just wondering how they want to keep the game fresh, without any tech nerd stuff and being on the same planet all the time.

[bold dove]

We can say plenty with what we have so far.

[bold dove]

I'm really coping they cave in, and just slowly readd medieval, industrial, and finally Tek back into the game.

[edgy nest]

hello! I would like to know if the servers are down. i have been unable to get online for a few minutes now

[bold dove]

Not the channel for that

[edgy nest]

ok thx

[west kernel]

Dunno, I just like to think about poor Araties.

One day they where chilling in their caves and the next day a One ton jurassic blood fueled creature fell from the sky.

They are lucky no Magmasaur or Wyvern was aboard the ship.

[bold dove]

That's assuming they live in caves and don't have some form of civilization yet.

[bold dove]

We, actually don't know this.

[west kernel]

They would be forced into caves with that kind of creatures around

[bold dove]

We only play a portion of the Genesis ship.
And most, outside of the Gen1 creatures, outside of the magmasaur, where tamable on Gen2.
We might've not seen them because we never got to any volcanic sections of the rings.

[lyric tendon]

Tek Wyvern exists

[bold dove]

Yeaaaah, but like.
They're probably more stuck in space now then on the planet. Same with the astro-creatures

[bold dove]

We're assuming they're completely idiotic.

[lyric tendon]

They are part of the Ring's systems unlike the astros

[bold dove]

If human history has taught me anything.
If they know how to coordinate with each other via some form of language.
They can take out some beefy AF creatures.

If the Aratai's are the humans of their planet. Then that means, even if they might be physically hella weak. They'll likely outsmart anything that attacks their villages.

[bold dove]

Yeah, but like.
ARK-2 isn't gonna be cool and have usable Tek.
And Tek wyverns would technically be usable Tek.

[main steppe]

I wonder if the arati are actually native to Arat, or are some form of mutated humans Rockwell made that made they were down to Arat Prime

[bold dove]

Steampage confirms they're natives.

"Hostile 'Aratai' hunt & attack you riding their own tamed creatures, as they seek to drive human interlopers from their world."

[main steppe]

Ah

Can’t say I really blame them

If a bunch of people showed up on my front lawn with a Trex, I’d be very annoyed

[bold dove]

Now, them being "naturally" mutated from Element is still on the table. If we are to assume that Element is on this planet (that wasn't from the Genesis-ship)

Pretty sure they're just going to pull an Avatar with them being completely natural. But we'll see.

[main steppe]

That would be quite interesting.
(Also assuming avatar doesn’t reveal down the line Navi were engineered by some hyper advanced alien species)

[bold dove]

That's probably what Element is.

[main steppe]

I do wonder if Ark 2 will have an overarching villain similar to Rockwell, or if the conflict will come more from “how can we co-exist”

[bold dove]

It's just a weird mix between The Flood from Halo, the Proto-stuff from The Expanse, and Tiberium from C&C.
All three where created (or depreived) from some ancient god-like civilization.

[bold dove]

Slowly seems like the base-game's narrative is going to be a mixture of "trying to see if we can co-exist without eradicating one side" with a mix of family drama between Meeka trying to revive Diana, and Meeka currently hating Santiago.

[main steppe]

Honestly, it wouldn’t surprise me if Meeka ended up on a villainous path, becoming more and more obsessed with tek and element similar to Rockwell

[bold dove]

I'm gonna be honest though. I'll be a bit pissed if we, the protagonist, gets dragged into the family drama.
I do **NOT ** care about their family feud gameshow going on with trying to revive characters that should've stayed dead.
I want to figure out the political issues of trying to get the Aratai's to stop attacking us, and for us to co-exist before we accidently wipe out the first real contact with alien life humanity has had.

[bold dove]

She's a literally child though, so that'd be a bit awkward narratively.
"Survivor, you have to punt Meeka into the gas-giant before she becomes obsessive"

[main steppe]

True, true

I kind of hope we get some native arati creatures to tame

[bold dove]

Think the more realistic approach they're gonna go with her narratively, is that she's going to go on a wild goose chase to revive Diana, then something happens where she is forced to accept that Diana is forever dead.
Theme about "moving on."

[main steppe]

It’d be a bit odd to be on this alien planet and only have earth based tames

Yeah, that makes sense

It’ll probably involve her accidentally making a big element monster we have to fight

[bold dove]

Okay, if she does that, even on accident. I'm punting her into the stratosphere myself for free.
I ain't dealing with a mutated giga situation with unga-bunga technology.

[main steppe]

Don’t worry. Vin Diesel will run it over in a tek suv he kept in case of emergency

[bold dove]

Kind of wish we got the Tek ATV as a skin for the cars.

[main steppe]

Would’ve been nice

[proud socket]

Your safe all the characters in the show are long since dead and gone in the game

[bold dove]

Can you rephrase that?

[proud socket]

Negative

[bold dove]

Okay, well. I have no idea what you said.

[proud socket]

The characters aren't around anymore by the time you are there as the player

Except Rockwell of course

[bold dove]

Right. But in ARK-2, they're clones of their previous clones.
Santiago has died canonically like four times now.
Diana was brought back at the end of Extinction's notes, and in the Extinction BTT outro, Meeka talks about how she's going to try to resurrect her mother, Diana.

[proud socket]

Ah ok I didn't get to play Genesis. I always got the impression it happened many years before the player arrived because all of the notes are in ruins that appear quite ancient. And the extinction one they say hey were gunna kill off a few more big guys but we're getting old over here. Ur gunna have to take out the big one when u get here

I took it as Diana and Mei Lin were going to focus more on surviving out there days and we're gone by the time we show up

Does it count as reviving them if it's a clone? Lol

[main mural]

there are many questions on how far behind you were. its unclear

[proud socket]

A lit of it was roman empire influenced right. Those structures would have to be pretty dang old

At least q00 years cause even ab. That portal and everything definitely sat for a long time

[main mural]

it does for 2(3?) of them.
ark santiago doesn't remember anything
but genesis remembers earth santiago (pre-ark)
and then
ark 2 santiago remembers more then what he should.

[bold dove]

They failed in killing the King Titan, because, canonically, he ran away after he felt pain for the first time.
Instead they got a distress beacon on the polar opposite side of the planet, where Arat-Prime is at. So the last we know of Diana and Mei-Yin, they where heading towards the opposite side of the planet.

[bold dove]

Yes. That's what a clone is canonically

A new physical body with the same consciousness.

[proud socket]

Oh that's true I forgot they were headed to Arat cause I know they couldn't beat the titan cause they couldn't rebuild the mek

[main mural]

based on BTT anyway.
ark 2 santiago seems to remember both the ark santiago and genesis ship santiago.

[bold dove]

Roll quick, since it seems like you're a bit behind. To help with future confusion, Arat and Arat-Prime are two totally seperate things. (thank you Wildcard for naming them the same fucking thing)
Arat is the planet ARK-2 is set on.
Arat-Prime is the launch station of the Genesis-ship that's on Earth.

[main mural]

what

oh, they meant the earth one lol

[proud socket]

Oh ok. I was just being lazy cause I didn't assume they used Arat twice but I'm thinking of the other side of earth or wherever the signal was from

[bold dove]

We love Wildcards naming convention with Arat. 💀

[proud socket]

I assume the ship was intended to land back at Arat prime

[main mural]

the ship was a genesis ship.

[bold dove]

Nope

[main mural]

it brought what it needed.

[bold dove]

It was meant to find a new world for Earth life to populate.

[main mural]

it was looking for another planet to live on and then just stop.

[proud socket]

Oh right that was the split strategy right. The arks and then the ships incase the planet couldn't be revived

[bold dove]

Yerp

[main mural]

don't forget the homo deus people.

[proud socket]

Is Helena still functional as a home deus or did she deteriorate?

[bold dove]

She's still functional.

[main mural]

and you help her remember

[bold dove]

To a degree.
She's the youngest/last of the Homo-Deus.

[bold dove]

She forgor.

[proud socket]

Yeah she was late and got stuck alone. I do recall that

Kind of mind boggling that she figured out to respawn Diana immediately but then it's said it took her a long time to do it again and we were the ones who benefited. The ones who try again. Cause we can respawn. Lol

I don't think I'd want to die to that dragon multiple times. Once is good.

[main mural]

just don't die then

[proud socket]

I'm not the only one who has failed the alpha dragon a few times. That I'm sure of. Lol

[bold dove]

Oh, also reread your original message.
Should be noted that TAS isn't canon, if that's what you where referring to.

[proud socket]

I realized I wasn't in the animated series chat lol

[main mural]

isn't the same canon.

they are just different things.

[bold dove]

That would make it non-canon to the game.

[proud socket]

Yeah. I wish it was cannon. Already expressed my opinion in the correct channel lol

[main mural]

and the game is non-canon to TAS

[bold dove]

You can have multiple official canons that aren't canon to each other.

[proud socket]

I dint agree with multiverse cop outs I'm just not watching the show ever again

Game is Canon to me and cartoon doesn't exist. Lol

[bold dove]

God, I'm glad it isn't

[main mural]

they are just different stories. you don't say star wars is non-canon because star trek exists lol

[proud socket]

Yeah but star trek also doesn't call itself star wars then go do something completely different

I don't mind the show just nit my cup of tea

[main mural]

should I use the example of star trek to star trek then? or star wars to visions?

[bold dove]

Separate IP's.
I can say that Star Wars Legends events are canon to itself. But that Legends isn't canon to the main Disney canon.

[main mural]

they are just different stories

they never said TAS would be the same story. they said the opposite. it is its own thing.

[proud socket]

That worked out great for Halo haha

[bold dove]

They're both official canons. But one has been abandoned while the other is still active.

But they're not canon to each other.

[main mural]

people expect the exact same thing when it'll never happen.
the only one that worked was fallout because they could just "choose somewhere new" lol

[proud socket]

Yeah idk what happened to ark 2 I assume it's not happening

[main mural]

legends are essentially standalone. george lucas didn't care and there are tons of different contradicting stories. he didn't have a "canon" like disney does.

[main mural]

its still happening just later. most likely after genesis at least.

[proud socket]

Ima need a whole lit of bug fixes before I consider playing genesis

Can't even get through the island cause the obelisks keep deleting my artifacts when I go to fight a boss

[main mural]

never once had that happen

are you on a server? you sure nobody is just taking them lol

[proud socket]

It's happened to me on both single player and on my unofficial cluster. I have a clip of it deleting 2 on me about an hour ago in single player. I'd send the clip but it's mostly me cussing at wildcard the whole time.

[bold dove]

Either way, you knew what I was saying when saying TAS isn't canon.

[main mural]

and I said that its just a different canon 🤷

this isn't specifically game lore.

[proud socket]

It's cannon for paramount ppl, not the gamers. Lol

[bold dove]

That'd make it non-canon to the game.

[main mural]

and it'd make the game non-canon to TAS.

[proud socket]

Idk why the thing random ppl who aren't already into ark are going to watch it but hey if it works all the power to em

[main mural]

there isn't a point here. I just said its different lol

[bold dove]

Correct.
So it's non-canon if we're talking about the video-games lore.
That's just being semantic.

[main mural]

people like dinosaurs

[proud socket]

True. Wait til season 2 when it's weird alien monsters though

Imo they went a little too Sci fi at times by the time we got to extinction

[bold dove]

The IP has always been extremely sci-fi, but sure.

[main mural]

nah, the giant floating glowing towers aren't sci fi 😂

[bold dove]

Or the implant

[proud socket]

Not in the dinos though. The Island was variations of real creatures. By extinction I had a flying bat monster that shot ice out of it's face

[bold dove]

They aren't though.

[main mural]

one of the island bosses is a dragon

[proud socket]

The tek is fine. It's the weird designs like the titans that I feel are a bit much. Kinda cool but just weird that I went from a pet dodo to fighting Sci fi godzilla

[bold dove]

The creatures are fictional counterparts to IRL dinosaurs.
The rex isn't a rex.

[proud socket]

Managarmr is just made up

[bold dove]

It's a tyrannosaurus dominium. A fictional sub-species.
Utah raptor prime, is a fictional dinosaur species.

[main mural]

so are dragons.

and wyverns

[proud socket]

Reapers etc. Cool but I kinda miss the dinosaurs being dinosaurs

[bold dove]

The fucking broodmother

The goddamn Overseer.

[proud socket]

I'm not counting bosses just regular tames

[main mural]

why?

[proud socket]

And overseer was added later

[main mural]

so was extinction

[proud socket]

I'm just saying it's weird to start in jurassic park and next thing you know your in space riding a space dolphin. Lol

[bold dove]

Nah, you're going to add them in this convo.
We're not going to be specifically talking about 'tames.'
We're going to talk about 'creatures' in general.

[bold dove]

The ending of The Island shows we're in space

[main mural]

wyverns were added less then a year in.

or was it just over?

was it after june in 2016 I don't remember

[bold dove]

Under

[proud socket]

I don't think there were any bosses besides broodmommy when I started way back so initially it was less Sci fi. The tek stuff wasn't there yet

[main mural]

there was still the giant floating obelisks

[bold dove]

And the fact ARK-2 is set on an alien planet, with confirmed alien natives like Avatar. They're not going away from the sci-fi aspects any time soon.
The ARK IP is about sci-fi, through and through.

[main mural]

it was just over a year later. june 2015 to sptember 2016.

[bold dove]

Broodmother and the Megapithicus where available day-one.

[proud socket]

Crap I was hoping ark 2 was going to be the arat prime stuff

[bold dove]

Dragon was added a few months later with the first version of the arenas

[bold dove]

Arat Prime is on Earth

[main mural]

that lost colony

[proud socket]

I thought mega was added sith the center, no?

[main mural]

ark 2 has always been about arat (planet)

[bold dove]

No

[main mural]

dragon was too

[proud socket]

I know originally they got summoned into the map but I thought it was only broodmother

[bold dove]

Fjordur was the first official custom map to have unique models for their bosses that weren't just reskins.

[bold dove]

Nope, they had monkey and broodmommy, and apparently the dragon if Pumpkin is right.

[main mural]

they were all there dragon was even in the trailer lol

[bold dove]

The Dragon is shown in the first ever ARK trailer, so there's that.

[proud socket]

I just kinda came across it on a trial before it released on xbox so I wouldn't have seen those lol. I just kinda happened upon it and got into more as time went on

[bold dove]

Though that was technically false advertising, because I swore the dragon wasn't actually in the game until a few months later. But I could be wrong.

[proud socket]

The notes sucked me in

[bold dove]

Okay, so. Let me ask you this.

[main mural]

wiki page doesn't say. probably wasn't vanilla spawnable because of the lack of artifacts.

I know not all of them were at the start.

or maybe only 1 was added lol

[proud socket]

I thought Mr dragon was added around the time of the tek cave but that was a little while in

[main mural]

probably thinking of the arenas

they were added a year in

[bold dove]

If we are to ignore Aberration and Extinction, where it got more sci-fi.
Then, what about the obelisks that are giant ass sentinels that canonically (in Scorched Earth) can sink cities and create new lifeforms from scratch for its needs (the wyverns)
What about the implant that's perpetually inside of our arms and allows us to access the sci-fi obelisk terminals.
What about the Tek growths that're inside of the caves since day-one, of the skeleton of the ARK station?
The pretty sci-fi supply drops that come down from the sky, like something is giving it to us.
Then, the really obvious border that has a pretty sci-fi ripple effect to confine us to The Island.

[proud socket]

I didn't say I didn't like the tek stuff I don't care for some of the newer animal designs like the managarmr

[bold dove]

But why?

[main mural]

its just a flightless wyvern

tries really hard to fly tho they had to nerf it

[proud socket]

Idk I just don't like the made up story book monster as much as the ones based on reality

[bold dove]

So, nothing in Scorched either?

[proud socket]

T Rex, he'll yeah buddy. Weird flying bat wolf ice monster. I'm ok.

Idk I avoid that busted ass map. There's more mesh holes then functional mesh.

I was over there the other day and fell through the map so I went back to my island adventure for now.

[main mural]

so if you were given the ability to control and mutate dinos into evolving. you wouldn't make fantasy creatures if you could?

thats what the mana is lol

[proud socket]

If I would I'd make the thing fly properly

[bold dove]

Just saying. If you only want realistic creatures in the game. This may not be the IP for you.

[main mural]

it isn't since only 1 map did that. the dino vote also gives real dinos as well tho.

[proud socket]

I don't mind modified dinos and stuff like some of the ones in the voting pool right now. Minotaur though? I just don't care for the mythological stuff as much

[bold dove]

Okay, to be fair. That isn't canon

[proud socket]

If someone finds a minotaur skeleton I'll shut up. Lol

[main mural]

not that it matters. since the ark tek could do it if they wanted lol

[bold dove]

'Truuuuuuue'

[main mural]

they can make wyverns. I think they can slap a minotaur together

[proud socket]

What is a wyvern if not a failed dragon

[main mural]

its not a failed dragon. its just a different kind of dragon

[bold dove]

Again, none of the dinosaurs are even close to their IRL counterparts. They're all extremely exaggerated, to the brink of being just fictional animals instead of actual dinosaurs.

[proud socket]

That's literally it tho it's just a different genus lol

I didn't say I hated them all I just said I preferred the more normal ones lol

I missed my Rex's on ab. Had to switch to team spino for a bit

[bold dove]

But what is normal, when giga's are a quarter size of a skyscraper?

[proud socket]

Tiny gigas

[main mural]

rhynios being bus sized 😂

[bold dove]

Which don't exist in the game

[proud socket]

The Rex's are tiny too I'm not pretending their not but I can suspend some disbelief due to video game having to render pixels

[bold dove]

The rexes are fucking huge in-game.

They're like two stories tall.

[proud socket]

I wasn't even aware a rhynio existed until like a week ago when I got attacked by one and I wasn't a fan lol

They are small relative to a real rex

[main mural]

but you can't imagine them, making a mana when the lore states thats how all the creatures were made?

phoenixs also exist

[proud socket]

Idk I stopped after aberration

[bold dove]

A real rex is like three people stacked on top of each other.
ARK rex is two buildings.

[proud socket]

Yeah I might be backwards idk. I'm no dino expert

[bold dove]

IRL rexes ranged from 12 – 20 ft.
ARK rexes are roughly 70 fucking ft tall.

That's a huge difference.

[main mural]

I don't think its 70...

[proud socket]

They look around 20 ft to me but kinda hard to tell in a game. Not like iv seen a real one to compare it lol

[main mural]

probably like 40-50 but don't think its 70 lol

[proud socket]

Dudes got an alpha tho

[bold dove]

Camera angles are a bit fucked in first person games.

[proud socket]

Yeah the ol chest cam

[bold dove]

Let me double check actually in game. But using an old graph someone did of a comparasion.

[proud socket]

I think Desoloate was right rhwy are probably around 40-50 in game

[bold dove]

Yep, had to double check in the devkit. But they're roughly 70ft

They're fucking huge.

[proud socket]

Yeah that's massive lol

They definitely don't look that big to me in game

[main mural]

using the tek binoculars I get 9.5meters lol.

[bold dove]

That's a fucking lie

[proud socket]

That's 31 ft

Which seems more accurate to what I'm actually looking at lol

We need a proportionate meter stick mod

[main mural]

looking down gives 1.5meters. looking as close to the top of its head at an angle gives 8 meters 🤷
so about that

[proud socket]

Giga might actually be representative of 70 ft. Thing is huge

[bold dove]

Again, I'm in the devkit comparing the male human to a rex

[main mural]

standing on its head I get about 11 meters looking down

its 100% not that tall

1.5m from me. 9.5 from it