lore-nerdz

[upper wigeon]

YouTube

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Thanks

[upper wigeon]

Your welcome

[waxen geode]

bro Rockwell is crazy

[broken rapids]

Santiago is the goat

[waxen geode]

ark is so cool

the lore is better than the gameplay, like actually

[bold dove]

That's basically just most games with lore

[topaz sapphire]

Crazy how Mei tames a drake by knocking one out

[dim palm]

im sad lost colony isnt on an ark

ive been wanting an ice map for ages but i wanted it on an arkkkk

i wanted to fight guardians and an overseer and ascendddd

oh the humanity

[lofty scaffold]

Eh gen 1 gen 2 and ext wernt on arks and they great

[lyric tendon]

mods are there for a reason

[bold dove]

No

[main steppe]

I don’t think there’ll be any maps set on Ark’s going forwards, aside from fanmade ones. The story has moved on from the point of Ark’s being necessary

Any maps going forward will likely either be A: set on different parts on earth, helping to wipe out any remaining element or Rockwell influence, or B: Ark 2

[dim palm]

I’m talking about canon. Not everybody wants mods.

[dim palm]

I hope they have a prequel ark or at least have some more that follows a different set of survivors that end up perishing after going through those arks (like 3 news ones for example idk) something like that. Still canon tho

[lyric tendon]

you said that but modded maps are popular than official

[dim palm]

I said not everybody. I don’t like mods, I feel like they don’t fit. I was hoping for a canon ice ark

I prefer official

[lyric tendon]

gen 1 is the closest you get and i doubt they gonna do a prequel or anything ARK focused when they want to move on to the "new planet" in ARK 2

modded maps is the ONLY thing you get what you want

[dim palm]

Well then I’m not getting what I want. Idc if it’s a snowy ark if it’s not official I don’t want it. Oh well. It’s just a hope I had but it’s whatever

[bold dove]

Don't see that working with how Wildcard currently handles the narrative.
Currently we follow The Survivor's journey. Going through multiple ARK's wouldn't only become tedious, but pointless if The Survivor never reaches Aberration.
With Lost Colonies being possibly set between Extinction and Genesis-1, Wildcard wants to stick with The Survivor's story before moving onto something else.
Only way I can see this is if it's in a spin-off, or some form of non-video game media piece.

[dim palm]

I hope it’s a spinoff storyline after they finish this one

[bold dove]

An ARK online comic series akin to Valve's L4D/Team Fortress comics would actually go hard.

[dim palm]

They said first story expansion for lost colony so there’s gonna be more

I don’t see how the story can continue after an array prime map

Keep typing but I’m going to sleep it’s like midnight here and I’ll respond tomorrow

[bold dove]

Issue. (also it's spelt Arat Prime)
The second expansion would likely continue again, The Survivor's journey. As the ARK-1 protagonist is The Survivor.
ASA is confirmed to be the testing grounds for ARK-2, so if they did hypothetically did a second expansion. I'm betting you it's going to be an ARK-2 prequel where it's set on Arat right after the events of Gen2.

And I can 100% see that happening.

They survived through the first four official maps with just BTT.
Now they're working on their first new story map in years, with the income they gained from ASA and BTT.
Top that off, we're getting a second round of BTT for Gen 1-2.
And likely after Gen2, the last BTT pack, we may get the second expansion being set on Arat.

The original point as well of other unique ARK's, would only work if that's how ARK's worked.
I believe it's still up in the air whether they're model/ID based, or they're all unique.
There's a throwaway line Helena states at the end of her Island notes "There, floating outside the window and surrounded by machinery, was the very island that I had been living on, and it too was orbiting high above the Earth along with countless other stations just like it."
If this is to be taken literally, that does mean the ARK's are model based, and there's countless ARK's just like The Island.
Same as Scorched, as there could be countless versions of that ARK. (and whatever Aberration was suppose to be)

[lofty scaffold]

Well there could possibly be side stories

Like maybe new characters that Have a story going into ark 2 honestly easy money

[dim palm]

What is btt? Also autocorrect changed Arat Prime to array prime

[dim palm]

I’d love to be on an aberration island 🤤

[dim palm]

My little bit of copium for an ice map that’s still on an ARK would be that lost colony is set on an unlaunched arctic ARK that still has its systems set up to have an overseer and guardians etc etc. people would live there because the ARK is producing creatures and maintaining the environment so they aren’t dying from the cold side of the planet. That’s my little hope I have. Because honestly aside from a FOURTH Rockwell boss I don’t know what we would even fight as a boss on lost colony because aside from him, every other big bad is dead at the moment

[dim palm]

I’d love a side character like a second protagonist going thru the arks and somehow ending up on arat as well

[earnest thicket]

Extinction map makes no sense.
If the rotation opf the earth has stopped and the exposed face is hot.. then why all the north of the map is covered in snow ? (i mean out of limit of the map, we can see snowy mountains and everthing)

[lyric tendon]

there is a protoARK

[earnest thicket]

I'm not talking abt proto arks, i mean if u look at north, behind the arena and on the left u can see snowy mountains

[bold dove]

Bob's Tall Tales

[bold dove]

People forget that the equator exists

[bold dove]

Tidally locked can hypothetically still hold life, if they're set on the equator.
It'd be the only place that both the extreme heat and extreme cold are touching each other. Causing them both to equalize each other and allow for a more habitable region.

No

[lofty scaffold]

I always assumed that wasn't snow and that it was ash or something

[bold dove]

It is ice.
It gets colder the farther you go towards the Forbidden Zone

[dim palm]

Thanks

I mean there are some other things they could do that are still on ARKs, like the whole spin off story with new characters. They could also make a map of the ark we were supposed to go to if Helena didn’t intervene

[bold dove]

@dim palm Again, this is assuming each ARK is unique, and if not, if there's enough different iterations for there to be more types of ARK's.

[dim palm]

even if there were repeats there could be still quite a bit of variants of ARKs

[bold dove]

Another thing to point at, is that the storyline of the ARK's is over.
There's only so much you can do with a single concept before having to move on.
Even old Bungie understood this with Halo, and introduced the Ark at the end of Halo 2 for the it to be the main focus of Halo 3 instead of yet another Halo ring.
And the only time you play on a Halo ring in the third game, is the very last level, which was mostly a nostalgic trip with the level just being a remake of one of the sections from the first Halo game.

We may get something of a destroyed Aberration in Lost Colonies. But for the most part, the ARK storyline is over.

[lofty scaffold]

All I'm saying is they are kinda running out of DLC ideas there's 100s of story's that could take place on in ark to explore maybe a future character or characters story to give a backstory for new characters that we could see in ark 2 would be cool

[bold dove]

How are they running out of DLC ideas?

[lofty scaffold]

Where in the timeline could another DLC go if it's not on a ark?

[bold dove]

There's Lost Colonies, which is set between Extinction and Gen1.
Then if there's a second expansion, it'll more then likely be basically a Genesis-3, being set on Arat right after Gen2 and actually concluding up The Survivors storyline.
After that, they wont need any more ideas for ARK-1, since it'll be over.
They'll move onto ARK-2, and release whatever content that games storyline is meant to have.

Then there's Bob's True Tales and the Fantastic Beasts packs that'll keep them fed until ARK-2 releases.

[lofty scaffold]

I mean we could get a trilogy set on earth but tbh asa isn't dying in 2 years lol so idek how that would work unless they just drop community made maps every 6 months because ik whenever ark 2 comes out nobody ik is buying it so I really don't know Ig it depends whenever ark 2 actually comes out

[bold dove]

They don't need ASA to die, why would they?
If they can actually push out ARK-2, then they'll have two products at once people are buying.
I don't get your point

[lofty scaffold]

Ok but if there's no more content for asa after ark 2 then it will eventually die

[bold dove]

Sure, but every game will.
It was only recently with Extinction that ASA had more players by a shy amount then ASE, but even then, ASE has a higher 24-hour peak. Yet ASE hasn't gotten new paid content in like....five years? (whenever the Genesis pass first game out)

[lofty scaffold]

Well gen 2 came out in June of 2021 and fjorder came out a year later and then a year of no content untill asa came out I'm just saying that the community maps can help out with more content in the long run

[bold dove]

Gen2 was only in the Genesis pass though, which most people already bought by the time Gen1 first came out.

[lofty scaffold]

That's not my point I'm not talking about it from money I'm talking about it from a pvp players pov which is the last map we got on ase was June of 2022 and I just hope that there will be more community made maps/dlc

[bold dove]

If anything, ASA has a more higher chance of survival then ASE if ARK-2 comes out, because ASA is basically just ASE in every regard besides a few handful of stuff.
ARK-2 conceptually is nothing like ARK-1 (whenever I say ARK-1, I mean both ASE and ASA) in gameplay and the way the game is being portrayed.
ARK-1 and ARK-2 is going to be more divided in its community then ASE/ASA is currently. Allowing both games to possibly still have a player count.
Because honestly, most of the playerbase for ARK-2 is likely going to be new players that never even played ARK-1, or had bad first experiences with the game that decided to pickup ARK-2.

[bold dove]

There could be, but it kind of seems like from my understanding. They've kind of moved on from the ASE-style of community official maps, and are just going to make specific modded official servers in their place.
I could check roll quick, but pretty sure there's modded official servers now

[lofty scaffold]

Ark gets boring without new experiences imo and modded official are not popular at all so like I said if there's no new content the game will get stale

[bold dove]

Yeah, they have official svartalfheim servers.

So they're no longer promoting them as official maps. Just officially supported servers.

[lofty scaffold]

That don't connect to my cluster that's not official to me so if the last map we get on asa is fjorder Games cooked

[bold dove]

And it very well could be on the official side.
But again, Wildcard doesn't seem to care about that, as they shutted down the official servers for ASE when ASA released.
Yet ASE still has a pretty decent playerbase that're either on unofficial servers or single player/private servers.

[lofty scaffold]

Only reason ase still gets pop from pvp is because servers wipe every month or every 2 weeks so they can always try to become CA

[bold dove]

Most of the current unofficial servers on ASE currently I believe are PvE

[lofty scaffold]

Again not my point there's multiple pvp clusters on all 3 platforms that get thousands of players on wipe day

[bold dove]

What's your point again?

[lofty scaffold]

I clearly said pop from pvp

[last briar]

So, I get that Extinction is set on earth in the distant future where two advanced factions of human had a war and element contamination was caused by the war. After the Arks were put in orbit to wait out for the contanination to subside (dumb move since it got worse) we have come to the point where creatures run around all over and a few prototype ark bio zones exist and so on yada yada yada.... Here is my question: WTF is with the constant meteor shows? where did these come from since the war is long since over and they sure as hec kare not from that from as far as I can tell....

[main mural]

very much doubt it was said lol.

could go for human made stuff falling from orbit

[bold dove]

Presumably from the destroyed moon.
But just like the moon being destroyed itself. It probably wasn't actually considered in the writing and some higher management like Jeremy just decided it'd be cool to have them.

[main mural]

honestly never looked for the moon but if it was destroyed then yeah that would do it lol.

[bold dove]

Yeah, the moon is blown up as shown during the Overseer fight, and the old skybox of Extinction showing a blown up moon. (don't know if it appears on ASA)

Pretty sure actually the meteor showers only appear when the moon is overhead of Extinction, as the moon I think still has a rotation on the map.

And Marc, the original writer did confirm he had no idea that they decided to make the moon blown up, and in his vision it was fine. So, yeah. Probably was added because it was cool.

[main mural]

makes the wasteland feel more sci-fi

[bold dove]

I just wonder how the moon can have so many shards that it has been causing this much chaos of meteor showers we see in-game.

[main mural]

I mean the moon is huge. a big enough explosion would turn it into a ring around the earth and we'd get fairly constant meteor showers for a long time.

it can also just be going too close to the earth and get ripped apart by gravity.

[bold dove]

Like, if that shit was destroyed when the ARK's went into orbit lets say.
Unless it pulled a Majora's Mask and decided to just be pissed off at specifically us, the moon should've lost most of it's major chunks YEARS ago from how much it rains during our time.

[main mural]

thats another way for it to be falling as meteors

[bold dove]

Pretty sure the moon in the OG skybox was normal size, but could be wrong. (that's also assuming they brough back that mechanic, or scrapped it in ASA)

[main mural]

if you go for the getting close to the earth and ripped apart by gravity. we could just be unlucky and be down on earth during it

[bold dove]

Also, talking about the moon

[main mural]

extinction ASE was too long ago, I don't remember anything lol

[bold dove]

I feel like Earth is kind of fucked to some degree, even with the ARK's returning all life.
Most of the moon's mass has probably either crashed onto Earth or drifted away, making the total mass of it, even with the shards around it, less then it used to be.
If that mass differences is large enough, then Earth's tides and oceans aren't going to be as intense anymore from my understanding. In which, wind won't be a intense, and so the planet's average temp may be a bit higher then current Earth's global temp.

[main mural]

chances are its just because it was cool. ark is very much that way.

[main mural]

I don't think earth has oceans anymore anyway.

[bold dove]

Ice my man

Half of the planet is frozen over

Allow it to melt, and it'll be like Global Warming with the mass flooding.

[main mural]

if one side was always facing away from the sun then it would get cold enough for more then just water to freeze

it'd take a long time for all of it to melt even with it not being tidally locked anymore. the meteors still falling is gonna be more pressing.

[bold dove]

Right, but the ARK's have restored the Earth's rotation, making it no longer tidally locked.
That's the point of Lost Colonies, as it'd be completely inhabitable at all to even explore to Arat Prime with how cold it would be with it being tidally locked.

[bold dove]

Depends on if the ARK's had a measure for this.
We say trees growing the size of redwoods in the matter of seconds in the Extinction ending.

[main mural]

the arks are in space. I think it'd be fine near them.

[bold dove]

They're on Earth now, what do you mean?

[dim palm]

I think they’d save arat for ark 2. Also, they’re right, there are hundreds if not thousands of stories to be told on different arks throughout history

[bold dove]

Arat is a planet, not the launch site that is Arat Prime

[main mural]

if lost colonies takes place after extinction then the arks are now on earth.

if they are growing giant redwoods in seconds, they could fix any problem we could imagine lol.

[bold dove]

Which I believe Wildcard has confirmed it is, as it'll be the next Story Map to come out before Gen1.

[main mural]

well maybe not the tides initially but eventually lol

[bold dove]

That's what I'm thinking. But the question is, I wonder if there's any consideration with the moon.

Maybe that's the subplot of Lost Colonies.

[main mural]

I mean the arks don't have tides 😂 I don't think its that important in the ark universe. as for the meteors, the arks can just create a giant bubble shield around the earth.

I'm sure they could do that

[dim palm]

I know

I’m saying I doubt there’d be a genesis 3, and I think they’d save arat would save the stuff on Arat for ark 2

If we get other dlcs it would most likely revolve around earth, the colony ship, and the arks

[bold dove]

The ARK's literally do though?
ASA shows The Island having some waves.
And if The Animated Series is to be considered for anything, we saw some pretty massive tides during the opening with Helena waking up in the ocean

[main mural]

there are some points on genesis that point (for some reason) that it happens before extinction. ark weirdness

[dim palm]

It would be a weird move to have a map on Arat then release ARK 2 and have it in the same general idea environment with just different mechanics and gameplay style

That’s like them releasing ark 2 set on scorched earth or extinction or gen 1, we’ve already seen those places

[bold dove]

Not at all, it's called "marketing"
You tease the possibility of a product on a smaller conceptual scale, then you can release the full product once there's enough interest.

[dim palm]

The waves could be mechanically created and sustained

[dim palm]

Right but that’s a whole map with story and stuff, it would be better to save that story and map and potential bosses for ark 2

[main mural]

the tiny waves in ASA aren't tides. they are just waves.
yeah, the animated series does.
the arks could again just make them anyway 🤷 if the moon was having issues before the arks it'd be planned for. or helena could just fix it.

[main mural]

thats what ASA is tho.

I doubt they'll even mention this kind of stuff anyway tides are tiny. the meteors are probably not gonna happen.

[dim palm]

I hopeeeeeee Lost Colony is an ARK that didn’t launch, we’d be able to fight their guardians/overseer and it would make sense because the titans are dead and I doubt they’d make us fight Rockwell a fourth time. No other fights make sense

[bold dove]

Why?
What market interest would there be of another ARK that doesn't make any sense to place within the current narrative, versus the obvious choice to market their next major product?
They would have to redo the current endings for them to fit another ARK in the current storyline, because currently it's obvious which ARK's we go to in each ending.
As well, like I've stated. Wildcard currently doesn't seem to have an interest in multiple player storylines at once.
ASE tried to do this with the original ARK survivor and the Genesis survivor, and they got backlash due to it being unnecesarly confusing. And so now we're getting Lost Colonies, that's more then likely going to confirmed that the Genesis survivor is the same protagonist from the ARK storyline.

In a marketing perspective, it'd make more sense to tease ARK-2 stuff in ASA, like they currently are with Bob's Tall Tales, with that being set around the time ARK-2 is taken place.
ASA is the testing grounds for ARK-2, and so they'd likely would want to tease something of ARK-2 within ASA as actual game assets.

[dim palm]

The ending of gen 2 shows it goes directly into ark 2

Ark 2 is probably still our survivor/he exists there but Arat is for Ark 2

[bold dove]

ARK-2 is likely years after Gen2, if Diana x Santiago was a recent thing, and wasn't something that happened in the past.

[dim palm]

Also they still could do a prequel/ spin off story. It doesn’t need to be that strict especially if it’s established that they’re separate characters

[bold dove]

And Meeka is...what, like 8ish years old? Maybe 10?
Assuming she was born post Gen2, that would mean ARK-2 is set almost a decade later after Gen2.

[dim palm]

Right but they could save that content for ark 2

What would there be to do on Arat on ark 1

What reason would they do that

They established that it’s for ark 2

[bold dove]

Or have a map set directly after Gen2 to see how waking up survivors react to an alien world, and ARK-2 can show how civilization has been established on this new planet after 8-10ish years later.

Hang on, I have another message I was working on.

Sir-5RM8 and the Armadoggo companion system are likely testing for some mechanic for ARK-2, possibly more in-depth tames or even human companions.
The traits system that Aberration brought, as well as the armor/weapon augments that where recently introduced seem to be conceptual versions of mechanics the ARK-2 storepage is talking about/wants.
A lot of the newer stuff for ASA all seem to be directly tied to some concept they want for ARK-2.
It'd make more sense in a marketing perspective if they close off ASA's content with an ARK-2 prequel, being set right after Gen2 with versions of the mechanics they've been building on within this map.
It'd be like "aye, so if you don't like ARK-2's souls-like combat. You can just play a basically demo version of it in ASA with it's gameplay. But if you're interested, you can buy the more refined and more indepth version of these mechanics in ARK-2"

And honestly, I'd rather see other ARK's in none video-game media's. Like I stated last night with an online comic series.

[dim palm]

I get that but… they would have to use bosses and stuff for ark 1 on Arat

I’d love to see it but it doesn’t make sense

Plus I’d be less inclined to play ARK 2 if I already have a “version” of it on ARK 1

I wouldn’t have that same desire to see the new alien world of Arat because I would have already seen it in Ark 1

[silk girder]

can't wait for it to be dragon monkey brood !!!

[dim palm]

hellllll no it better be 3 new guardians

[fallow sapphire]

No story map has reused a boss so odds are pretty low they’d start now

[dim palm]

The only boss I’d want them to “reuse” is another overseer that transforms into it’s arks respective guardians

[bold dove]

Gen1

Gen1 has the Megapithicus and Broodmother as arena bosses.

Originally was going to have the Dragon as well, before they cut it.

[fallow sapphire]

Sure as mission bosses, not boss fights

[bold dove]

That's arguably the same thing

A boss is a boss.

[fallow sapphire]

Meh, i feel like it’d classify as different

[bold dove]

Question

Do they have semi-unique models that aren't reused as cannon fodder?

[fallow sapphire]

I mean, dragon technically did, though like you said not implemented

[bold dove]

Do they also have a extremely large health pool compared to to their respective cannon fodders within the battle?

[fallow sapphire]

Okay, would you rank other missions as having bosses?

If you’re saying that any other missions where you have a final target to kill counts as a boss, then yes by that logic they would classify as bosses

[bold dove]

Yes.
The brute creatures are arguably bosses, especially on Alpha when their minions get shredded while the brute is fucking up the player.
Also, they all have healthbars on screen.

[fallow sapphire]

Then sure, by that argument the brood and mega on gen 1 would classify as bosses

[bold dove]

Which is by account, the closest there is to a definition for bosses in video games.

[fallow sapphire]

Then yes, by this logic i relent that gen 1 reused bosses

[dim palm]

If you wanna classify them like that, Id say mini bosses. at least for Survive the gauntlet (that bog mission).. I wouldnt say its a boss in the classic sense, with a whole arena with them as the sole primary driving factor and focus, but they are a large high health enemy in the way of victory

[rigid grove]

@odd herald @languid swift #bobs-with-probs

[umbral field]

I'm curious as to what appears to be the Ice Titan's skull added in ASA to the Ribcage in the Ivory Gulch area, that wasn't there in ASE I think? Interesting implications if there's already a dead Ice Titan specifically, like if there's been multiple I guess

[lyric tendon]

it's there just for looks, no lore reason

same thing with the broken moon AND the sky whale in the island IIRC

[bold dove]

The sky whale was added 100% for shits and giggles. Wasn't even for design reasons.

If you're talking about the one behind the moon during the ascension

Wonder if it's still there in ASA.

[umbral field]

Did the devs say that?

[lyric tendon]

there is no notes about them obviously

they just suck at enviromental storytelling

[umbral field]

see i thought they were pretty good at that! but ok, i'm glad it wasn't actually stated. it's NEW to asa afaik, so it may actually be there for a reason

[lyric tendon]

it's just there to "look cool"

same with giant skeletons in AB

[umbral field]

...ye you said
but they modelled a whole new skull for it and it looks like the ice titan so 🙂

[lyric tendon]

and?

not even a note about them... so......... 😛

(man i hate that emoji it supposed to be : P)

[umbral field]

i mean i'd say it's your theory instead of stating it as fact if it wasn't said, that's all! it could be misinterpreted. but yeah you already said

[bold dove]

It isn't the first time they've done this, and it wont be their last.

[lyric tendon]

it's a fact the notes never acknowledged what is going on with the bones in SE, AB, and Ext

if i were one who made the notes (mind you they are journals) i would've noticed the big arse bones

and since you stated "the ice titan bones added in ASA" shows it's just for looks, no lore significance

[bold dove]

Also, should be noted that the original writer, Marc, never intended for stuff like the moon to be destroyed. And it was confirmed that was added purely because it looked cool.
If this is the case with the moon being destroyed, a pretty major deal. Then it's hard to take anything environmental seriously.
The skeleton **could ** have some lore reasoning of being there that only the dev's internally know of. But until stated, it's all pointless theories that'll more then likely never be answered outside of "because they decided it was cool to add."

It's the same with supply crates.
Do they exist in-game? Yes!
Do they have a dedicated section in the Hall of History? Yes!
Yet, none of the survivors at any point mention them. Which is odd, as you'd think someone like Helena that was slowly trying to discover what the Obelisk was about and how The Island's environment is artificial, would've gotten the hint that it's 100% artificial with literal lootdrops coming out of a holographic sky.

This is actually a really common occurrence in video-games.
It's called "narrative distance" which the concept of, is how immersive a world can be between the consumer and the fictional world.
Halo, for example, is completely different within what we see in-game then in-canon.
Not only is there technical limitations that a video-game has that books, the extended universes don't have issues with. But also gameplay additions.
Plasma pistols in-game are by far the weakest single-shot weapons in the game when not super-charged, and they're mostly just for discharging shields and EMP'ing a vehicle.
In-canon though, since plasma is harvested from literal stars. A single shot within the universe will goop up your arm fully. Both blasting it off while leaving but nothing but a pile of goop.
Obviously though, that type of weapon wouldn't be fun with how common they appear in the games.

More then likely, this is the case with Wildcard as well.
Environments have to be considered to be entertaining both visually and mechanically for players to enjoy in games. It's what you're going to be looking at for 70% of your game time.
Some developer probably thought that region of the Wasteland was becoming too samey, and so they wanted to place down a skeleton there to add some nice spice to the environment, so that specific region wouldn't look too boring.

Sorry for my book page worth of a message.

[kindred burrow]

Wait what skywhale on island

[bold dove]

Just wanted to make sure we're all on the same page.

[bold dove]

There's a Leed behind the moon during The Island's ascension.
You can't see it normally while playing, but if you go into the devkit and fly over to the region after loading the level. There's a random ass leed hiding inside the moon.

One of the few easter eggs ARK has.

[kindred burrow]

Oh lol

Rwminds me 9f dreamworks fisher in the moon

[lofty scaffold]

It sounded very painful in one of the books and she was a spartan it melted thru to her bones

[bold dove]

Yeah, plasma damage isn't fun in-universe.

[lofty scaffold]

What the canon tek rifle is

[bold dove]

But then plasma pistols are peashooters in-game with specific gameplay mechanics.

[lofty scaffold]

Can we assume tek weapons hurt just as bad as plasma weapons? If so those element wars were definitely the worst wars in history

[lyric tendon]

it just shoot stuff... that is it

there is not enough details to describe the damage in canon

just a "pew pew laser gun" ~ Trent

[bold dove]

They're more explosive in-game then "melts your face off" type of weapon.

[bold dove]

Nah, they're explosive AF in-game

[lofty scaffold]

Tek nukes sounds worse then regular nukes

[bold dove]

There's also TAS if we're going to take it even remotely seriously, that Helena blew up part of a cave with a single shot from the rifle to escape the Broodmother arena

[lyric tendon]

in game yes but he said "canon" as in if there is a note describe the damage "in lore"

[bold dove]

Google the Tsar Bomba

Basically what I imagine the standard Tek WMD's to be.

[bold dove]

Fair

In Gen2, Santiago calls his version of the rifle the "AR-234: Titanhammer"

[lofty scaffold]

I still feel like it'd be worse then that

[lofty scaffold]

Is there a lore reason why all ark weapons look bland? Like they all look standard issue

[lyric tendon]

because it is, that is how military issue weapons work

it doesnt have to be "flashy" like some fantasy game

[lofty scaffold]

Well I'm saying is they don't look modern they look very weird it's hard to explain

None of the "modern" guns look like our real world weapons and there's not different types

[lyric tendon]

because the piority in the ARK is "make better humans" not "make better soldiers"

[bold dove]

Nah, there's a limit where we can go with WMD.
Believe it or not, most nations are smart enough to understand Nuclear warfare would end with no victors.
If there was any wiggle room for any survival, the Cold War would've ended with the U.S.A or U.S.S.R eradicated from nukes.
As well, there has to be consideration of any fall out left over that could migrate over to nations that used the weapons in the first place.
As well, if their objective is to take land. Then it'd be hard to take permanently irradiated land that you can't use, nor the civilians that generate revenue for your government/military.
I totally forgot where I was originally going with this.
I'm tired.

[lyric tendon]

also licensing.... it actually requires actual licence to have accurate modern guns in game

[bold dove]

I wrote that message, and looked at it for a solid 10 seconds and thought "wait...what the fuck was the point again?"

[lofty scaffold]

Well cod just renames the guns

[lyric tendon]

he is constantly asking different unrellated questions under the guise of "is this [insert gameplay thing] lore?"

[bold dove]

Depends if I recall.
Within the U.S, you can't copyright the physical appearance of a gun, as multiple different firearms will reuse that general body for different guns.
But names you more or less can't use, yeah.

Most games have "AR" stand for "Assault Rifle" when in reality, it doesn't stand for that.
It stands for "Armalite Rifle" which is the name of the company that makes "AR's"

[lofty scaffold]

Yeah exactly even tho there's 100s of company's that make AR "like" rifles

[bold dove]

I believe there's also some copyrighted firearm names so used in common firearm conversations, that they're never usually taken seriously and you'll probably never be taken to court if used.
Like M16's for example.

[lyric tendon]

just like how suck they are with enviromental storytelling, they dont give much damn about "weapon model accuracy" aside from "this generic modern gun" or "this generic rifle"

[lofty scaffold]

Yep lol Can we have more then one ar that isn't a joke?

[lyric tendon]

modding exist for a reason

[bold dove]

Wait, actually good question

[lofty scaffold]

I play official pvp tho

[bold dove]

"AR-234: Titanhammer"
Does the AR stand for Assault Rifle, or Armalite?
Because if it's Armalite, that means AR as the company is still up and running during the Tek War.

[lyric tendon]

this game treats on foot combat as secondary, how do you think ASA reverts to subpar melee combat system despite the great souls-esque thing going on with ATLAS

[lofty scaffold]

That would be funny but then why would they make the AR look like shit

[kindred burrow]

You know a heavy sniper or other types of qmmo would be interestibg for ark like element infused rounds

[bold dove]

AR as in the ARK Fabricated Rifle, or the Tek Rifle?

[lofty scaffold]

I would love if they added a 50cal

[lofty scaffold]

The assault rifle yes

[lyric tendon]

Tek Railgun basically

[bold dove]

Isn't that just the Railgun?

[kindred burrow]

Good old 50cal bullet which will annihilate alot of stuff

[bold dove]

Probably because they're being halfassly reconstructed by memory by characters that likely wheren't factor workers. And if they where, don't have the proper equipment to make a not-so-shitty looking Rifle.

[lyric tendon]

ah yes people forget the Tek Railgun (aka the anti-mesher sniper) exist lmao

[bold dove]

Pretty sure they removed the feature that it can go through walls

Which I think why people forgot about it.

[lyric tendon]

fair

[bold dove]

I wish the weapon roster actually had a nice gameplay loop, and it didn't just revert to "shotgun"

[lyric tendon]

yep, i was hoping they utilised what they did to ATLAS' combat system but alas, crunch and laziness exists

[bold dove]

[kindred burrow]

Or in general i would love more diversity of ammo types like dragonsbreath sgotgun shells

[bold dove]

More shells would just make the shotgun even more the dominant firearm. 💀

[kindred burrow]

If only it would hit the targets im aim8ng at while scope using

[lofty scaffold]

Atlas is dead 🙏

[lyric tendon]

funny enough a certain ARK pirate game that i keep yapping about has those

[bold dove]

Like it doesn't have to be Halo-level of weapon balancing, but damn. I'd like to actually use the Assault Rifle without wanting to fucking jump into the volcano due to how piss-poor damage it does compared to the 6-pellet shotgun.

[kindred burrow]

Was just an example but yeah it would

[kindred burrow]

Yeah loving my modded ark ammo in asa atm whixh adds more bullet types

[lyric tendon]

more like on life support by Roleplayers every 3 months in a year lmao

[bold dove]

It's on life support.
But like, that life support that's only being visited by one family member months before family member decides to pull the plug.

[lyric tendon]

ATLAS is basically a yearly event in a literal sense lmao

joking aside it's a wasted opportunity, there is a lot of there that ARK is lacking, aside from the building System

ASA's Building System is basically ATLAS

[lofty scaffold]

The official servers have been down for over a year

[bold dove]

Unofficial

[lyric tendon]

just like in ARK, no one cares about official

[lofty scaffold]

Yeah but when official died for atlas the game dropped off mt everest

[bold dove]

It kind of already did that after the first week of release

That's not even a joke

58k players in the first month.
9k like two months later

[lofty scaffold]

I used to see videos every few days for months abt pvp and when official went offline I only see one or 2 ppl post anymore on their unofficial cluster that they made to replace official

[bold dove]

ATLAS was kind of a doomed-from-the-start situation. It had too many issues stacked ontop of each other from Day-One.
Which sucks, because it genuinely could've been their next IP if they didn't fuck it up big time.

[lofty scaffold]

Yeah

Unique idea

[kindred burrow]

Also was on exe annnote that explains what osds are and who sent em or is that a plothole dont remember it too long ago till i last played ase on exe and got all notes there

[lyric tendon]

most ATLAS Unofficials are more "word of mouth" than publicly advertised hence there is some spike in activity (in twitch and steam) everytime a RP server opens a season

it is literally on life support

[lyric tendon]

Helena's i recall

[kindred burrow]

Ok then time to hunt her notes

[main steppe]

Kinda wish Wildcard would release the explorer notes all collected in some kind of collectors book. I dunno, I think it would be neat.

[lofty scaffold]

Like a physical book?

[main steppe]

Yeh

[umbral field]

dang i'd buy it

I think they had a collector's version when it first came out with Helena's or the dossiers? It looked cool, like a notebook. I THINK it was official

[main steppe]

Yeah, back in either 2016 or 2017 with the release of the physical collectors edition, it came with a book with all the dossiers for the island (at the time)

[dim palm]

Not everyone wants to mod

[lyric tendon]

While WC has their own set plans already, barely listening to the community, so...

[lusty mist]

So, is Santiago’s Sword (his grave) not on the Extinction map in ASA?
Cant seem to find it at 54.2, 33.4

[toxic vector]

it is, but the coords are a bit different from ase

[lusty mist]

Any hints? Im admittedly blind when it comes to these things lol. Im looking around but cant seem to find a sword the small of a small house 🤦🏽‍♀️😂

[toxic vector]

Oh I suck at giving directions, but near the green obelisk, you know that area that goes down in a cliff to the wasteland? I found it there close to the wall, it's hidden by foliage

[lusty mist]

Ty Ill check it out

54.9, 30.6
Found it 🙂

[silver pumice]

Someone link me a good YouTube video that’ll explain the lore

[dim palm]

im still saying, not everyone wants to mod. It doesn't feel vanilla.

why does the ark wiki page for the "ARKs" have all the maps listed? shouldnt that be on a dedicated page for "maps"? We don't have a wiki page dedicated for just the ARKs

[lyric tendon]

and?

just find one "feel like vanilla" with the biome you want

they will not do the maps you like that isnt aligned to what they are doing to the IP

[dim palm]

you still arent getting the point, some people dont want to mod. You dont seem to understand that I dont want to mod under any circumstances. I am not agreeing with his statement about more gun types or whatever he was saying, I'm just saying that modding isnt something people wanna always do

[lyric tendon]

well tough shit

[dim palm]

absolutely crazy

[unkempt elm]

.

[dim palm]

Question

[dim palm]

Why does the portal activate after defeating Rockwell? Does Helena activate it? Was the portal designed to highjack the ascension protocol and replace it (and if Rockwell is considered the overseer, since we beat him, it would activate ascension therefore activating the portal?) I don’t know what the reason is and I’d love to know

[lyric tendon]

pre-gen2 (written by the original writer himself): no, possibly Rockwell blocked it off, see grad students

gen2 (added by the new writer): possibly helena did it

[dim palm]

So we don’t know why the portal activated after beating Rockwell?

For the pre-gen2 part, are you saying no to Helena activating it or are you saying no to it replacing the ascension protocol and auto activating after beating aberration’s “overseer?”

[lyric tendon]

that is how the ARKs work given Rockwell is the replacement overseer

[dim palm]

So the portal probably replaced the ascension protocol?

And beating Rockwell activated ascension?

Or what do you think is going on?

[lyric tendon]

beating rockwell triggers the ascension

remember the portals are powered by an obelisk, therefore its programming to give ascension is still functional

[dim palm]

Thank you! So it’s just a device to hijack the ascension and it changed the destination correct?

Is the reason Rockwell is still alive because he’s an overseer or because he still has his implant and he respawned?

[lyric tendon]

he is became the ARK's overseer

hence his final note being in Tekxt

and somehow allows other ARK's function of Ascension seen in the SE ending

[dim palm]

I don’t understand the last sentence you wrote

[lyric tendon]

watch the SE ascension ending

[dim palm]

I did

We get pulled to aberration

What about it

[lyric tendon]

he has control of other nearby ARK's ascension
which is an overseer thing to do

[main steppe]

He’s basically pulling as many survivors to aberration as possible just so he can screw with them

Which backfired immensely because of Helena making the respawn system

[dim palm]

I thought Helena forced us to aberration not Rockwell?

Why would he pull more people if he knew about the respawn system, he had to have known because we had the time to beat 2 ARKs

Plus the only way down to earth at that point is the portal on Aberration correct? So wouldn’t it make sense for her to send a survivor who has already proven they have what it takes to beat 2 arks to challenge Rockwell? Because beating him is the only way down to earth?

[lyric tendon]

he doesnt know about the respawn system

[lyric tendon]

the purple pixelations gave it away

[dim palm]

I mean that’s one thing that could be unrelated versus a bunch of other things that would make sense

[shy tree]

didnt he say in the boss fight something like "oh and how she begged me to bring u here" or smt

[dim palm]

Plus why would Rockwell bring people too him? He seems the type to wanna stay alone and experiment or wtc

[dim palm]

No clue but that’d be cool

[shy tree]

some1 told me that once no clue if thats correct

[lyric tendon]

he did in the grad student notes with Boris

he is "experimenting" with the survivors that end up in Ab

[dim palm]

What did it say

[dim palm]

Why would he bring someone who was able to beat an ark, it doesn’t make sense

[lyric tendon]

best to read them yourself and find out

[dim palm]

I mean you could just summarize and tell me the part specific to our convo

[lyric tendon]

the thing is, "beating the ARK" is rare in the notes

we, the Survivor is the ONLY person that beat Rockwell, no one else before us can beat him

multiples of player "survivors" is just a gameplay thing

[lyric tendon]

that is Gen 2

[shy tree]

and even then we could only weaken him

[dim palm]

I mean we beat him

It activated ascension protocol

[dim palm]

I know but why would Rockwell bring someone by that even has a chance to beat him, he’s not that kind of person

[lyric tendon]

he doesnt know at that time

[dim palm]

It would make sense for Helena to bring you there so you can go to earth

[lyric tendon]

also he is an egomaniac, he WILL definitely do that

[dim palm]

But if he was the person who brought us to ab, then he does know, because we were grabbed mid ascension

He wouldn’t

He would make sure nobody has a chance to even get close to his level

[lyric tendon]

no he isn't he could be just grabbing anyone who just ascends/spawns in

again, see the notes of the grad students

[shy tree]

helena deus brought us to the simulation and therfore to gen 2

[dim palm]

Right but, you said he wouldn’t know that we could even have a chance to beat him but anyone who ascends definitely has a chance

[lyric tendon]

again multiple player "survivors" is just a gameplay thing

[dim palm]

Also spawning in is completely different from ascending

[lyric tendon]

the quote is from gen 2

[dim palm]

I’m not even talking about multiple survivors

[shy tree]

rlly but how does that nake sense?

[lyric tendon]

the spawning is during Ext,

again rockwell doesnt know any of that happening

[dim palm]

What are you talking about

[lyric tendon]

we are the first survivors that have capability of revival

he doesnt ackowledge us "resurrecting" in AB, only in Gen 2 when he knows that "we keep surviving"

🤦🏽‍♀️

[shy tree]

no we are not

[dim palm]

Right but there would be enough time for him to know people are respawning, because we had the time to go through the island AND scorched

[shy tree]

the first was diana

and then the number only kept rising

"You are the ones who try again"

[dim palm]

It doesn’t make sense for him to bring an immortal to his land

Not just an immortal but an immortal who’s super strong (aka anyone who’s ascending)

[lyric tendon]

again rockwell doesnt know this because he is in AB at that time

[dim palm]

There are other survivors on a before we arrive though, no?

“Canonically”

[lyric tendon]

yes, the grad students

and guess what, they don't respawn

[shy tree]

doesnt matter if he knows that

[dim palm]

While we are on the island and scorched earth he would have survivors on aberration who are respawning

He would know about respawning while we are fighting in those arms

[lyric tendon]

do you guys even read the notes or nah?

[dim palm]

Maybe send the notes your referencing

[lyric tendon]

i cant because i am not allowed to send links here... ever considered thought about that

[dim palm]

maybe tell me the exact note youre talking about? if you cant send it then tell me the note and ill go read it

[lyric tendon]

all of Boris and Imamu's final note

both experienced encountered Rockwell as an Overseer

or just watch Ned's Ab part 3 for the whole deal

[dim palm]

I’ll do that in a bit, thank you

[pure cipher]

Any thoughts on premium map for June 2025?

Lost colony was announced as the “first” canonical expansion. Premium map is likely a non canon dlc bc before lc

[fallow sapphire]

By the fact it is a premium map and not a standard payed dlc, i would say makes it pretty clear its not canon

[lofty scaffold]

Our first asa mod map on official? Other then that I have no idea

2025 is the year of non Canon dlc untill The lost colony

[main steppe]

I do appreciate that we’re getting Lost Colony before Genesis one and two

I imagine the story will flow much better that way

[lofty scaffold]

Ok by the time the lost colony comes out in will almost be 2026 so yea

And they cam finish the lighter maps

[random arch]

Can anyone tell me how the cut scenes in gen 2 go into ark 2? I feel after watching many times there is something missing to bridge the gap. After the gen 2 ship explodes your in a exo mek in space then all of the sudden your Santiago on a ship. Something is missing. What happened to our character? Is there gonna be a 2nd dlc map to bridge the gap?

[floral sedge]

Santiago is just another teaser for ark 2

[mental basin]

The Survivor ends off in their Exo-Mek, and supposedly docks to the intact Eden Ring, considering the flashing message in our Mek tells us as much.

Santiago is just a teaser for ARK II, which shows us how all the other Survivors make it to the planet below.

If there's a second DLC, it won't be 'bridging' Gen 2 and ARK II, since Gen 2 is the bridge.

We also won't be getting any canonical content ON the planet Arat UNTIL ARK II.

[fallow ore]

What happened between extinction and gen 1? How did we go from fixing earth to leaving earth in a space ship while in a simulaton?

[fallow sapphire]

Just gotta wait till November to find that out

[fallow ore]

What comes out in November?

[fallow sapphire]

New story map

Set between Extinction and Gen 1

[meager ferry]

Where was this confirmed ? Wildcard claimed this is just the first canonical expansion per patch notes .

[meager ferry]

On ASE, you were beamed to genesis ship once the reseed protocol initiated. A fragment of Helena (HLNA) is basically delegated towards you once you are spawned on board the genesis ship inside a tek pod while undergoing the genesis simulation.

On ASA they retcon it to where you just go to Arat Prime to get beamed to genesis instead.
Basically it’s the portal event all over again but on Earth to the genesis ship.

Mei yin is also speculated to be the boss of Lost Colony, possibly somehow corrupted.

[fallow ore]

Ah ok but on ase why did we have to leave the planet if we just saved it?

[meager ferry]

To fulfill the goals of the Terran Federation and help survivors on genesis finding a suitable planet to colonize.

[fallow sapphire]

That wasn’t a retcon from ASA, that was from ASE

[main steppe]

Oh, that would be metal as hell. I’d love it

[somber oar]

Ok I take one look now my eyes hurt

[brave delta]

Is it ever explained why creatures created for the ARKs are on earth? I always thought the dinosaurs and other prehistoric creatures were made specifically for the ARKs, and that they wouldn’t be present in extinction lore-wise.

[main steppe]

I believe it’s just that they wandered off from the proto arks

[mental basin]

It's pretty obvious considering the discrepancies between ARK II itself and ASA.

[mental basin]

Extremely unlikely.

[mental basin]

They straight up walked outta the Proto-ARKs. As to why Aberration Creatures are present in the Wastes, Marc Soskin (the old writer) claims that Aberration is communicating with some of the Earth Tek in some way, allowing them to spawn in the Wastes. Doesn't go much deeper than that, though.

[brave delta]

I see. More of an explanation than I expected, I suppose.

[obsidian jasper]

you upload your consciousness to the colony ship via the superluminal link thats also how Rockwell got there except he got there long before you, the survivor

[main steppe]

I believe he got there about 9 years before the survivor? So he’s been messing around for a while

It does make me wonder what he looked like when he got there

Did he just have a standard clone body that was mutated?

[obsidian jasper]

he uploaded to the computers on the ship and corrupted systems first so no physical body when he first got there

[main steppe]

Oh yeeeeeaaaah

[mental basin]

Technically, this would only apply if the player decides that they want to be playing as The One Who Tries Again. The new writer Peter Fries explciitly states that the choice to play as a 'new Survivor' or the 'old' one is decided by the player.

Now, that's a HORRIBLE way to write a story if you ask me, but that's what he claims.

[mental basin]

All we know is that he uploaded his consciousness in specific
Whether he subsumed others like the flood, or brought a chunk of himself with him somehow, all we really know past that point is that he spread

Like a mold spore on a moist piece of cheese, he s p r e a d

[obsidian jasper]

it was confirmed that he uploaded just to the computers and remained in secret corrupted systems until " it was too late"

[dim palm]

I wonder what the boss/bosses of lost colony is gonna be, since the titans are dead and the guardians and overseers are still on arks and possibly deactivated

[main steppe]

I think the options are either A: Rockwell again, B: a creature Rockwell left behind to defend the superliminal link, C: an automated AI defense system for the superliminal link, or D: a corrupted Mei Yin

[fallow sapphire]

Well a corrupted Mei Yin would die with the rest of corruption, so that gets ruled out

[bold dove]

Corrupted would get Thanos snapped.
But a mutated one from Rockwell? Could work.
Maybe a prototype version of what Rockwell's mutated survivors he releases on us during Rockwell Prime

But it'll probably be either an A.I or Rockwell again.

[fallow sapphire]

That’d be my assumption as well

[mental basin]

Can you cite a source?

I'm not saying you're wrong, because neither of us are, I'm just curious as to where you got the information.

Because all of the information is implied, and not solid. It's especially tricky when half of it comes from Fries on Twitter.

[mental basin]

That's also a REALLY stupid theory for a bevvy of reasons lmfao.

[obsidian jasper]

most of this comes from the gen 2 Explorer notes

[mental basin]

Oooo that's definitely incorrect

All we get from those is the fact that the link is left open back at Arat Prime, and we get that from Nida

As for Rockwell, he just tells us "There's a lot we don't understand about our current situation" when HLN-A brings up how he could have arrived on the Colony Ship, and how she has no idea how it's possible

[fallow sapphire]

100% agree lol

[lyric tendon]

Rockwell is still in Ab when whatever is going on in Mei and Diana's time in the Superliminal Link

it is kinda impossible that the survivor managed to keep up with Mei and Diana just to make Mei VS Rockwell happen

[main steppe]

Unless they were mutated by element somehow, we’re definitely not encountering them

Unless the respawn system applies to them as well

[mental basin]

Would be hypothetically possible, but they probably wouldn't have their memories

But they (supposedly) died long before the protocol went into place

If we encounter them in-game, it'll most likely be after unthawing them from some kind of Cryopod

[main steppe]

Didn’t Diana have her memories after she was respawned?

[mental basin]

Oho, you're right, I completely glanced over that

So the only limitation then, would be the fact that they probably died long before the Respawn protocol went into effect

But, if their bodies were safely stored and kept on life support somewhere at Arat Prime, then Helena could definitely add them to the protocol

Though, it won't really do anything if we find them post-Reseed, which is what all evidence leads to atp

Unless they can upload themselves to the Ship, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms

[tulip scaffold]

Question. If they had the resources to destroy the Element infection why have they waited so Long. The ARKs can handle Element infection until a sertion Point is there. In the Story it was to Late so the arks can’t handled it and we the Player were needed. But if the Protocol was early Activated This Problem woudnt be there or just use the Element destroying tech with out the ark

[lyric tendon]

The ARK is the only element destroying tech

The Titans are the only thing that keeps the ARK from activating the protocol safely

The ARKs themselves has no protection against an army of Titans

[main mural]

the titans also make the corruption higher so the arks wouldn't work either.

[brave lodge]

... I wrote an entire book about arks lore from the the start of element being brought to earth all the way to the end of the colony ship

I read way too many explorer notes and H-LNA / Rockwell Diologs

[tulip scaffold]

But when they launched the arks the Titans Were Not there. The spawned years later. So why havent they started the reseed Protocol or the tek destoying Technology After the Launch. And the Plan why they Build the ark was to wait until the Element was gone so that the arks can come down to Earth and than reseeded.

[lyric tendon]

we don't know when the first titans existed and the timeframe to know if they have enough time to make A element destroying weapon aside from the ARKs themselves

is it when the war ended?
during the construction of the Proto-ARKs?
do they know about the Titans?
do they have enough time to learn about Titans while they scramble to save whatever's left of humanity post-war?

there is so many questions that the notes didn't answer

||or maybe there is something that the higher ups between the two factions don't want to share with the public to prevent the same situation again once the corruption is wiped||

the ARKs are their only shot against the corruption, they have no time for experimentation

[pearl forum]

So, I wanna make sure I have some stuff right:

• Arat Prime is the colony in the habitable zone on the Extinct Earth
• Arat is the name of the planet Santiago and his daughter are on

Yeah?

[bold dove]

-It's the launch site of the Genesis ship, if I recall.
-Yes

[pearl forum]

Awesome thank you

[tiny basin]

You recall correctly 👌

[fallow sapphire]

there are also a number of other factors that i can think of that could cause it.

1. The corruption was thought to recede over time. If the designers thought that corruption would recede over time, they would assume the ARK's could finish off the rest of the corruption once the level was low enough. However, the corruption only got stronger, leaving the ARK's in space

2. The ARK's are not solely intended to destroy corruption, but also to repopulate the earth. Maybe they were still in the process of testing the dino-human ration when the ARK's were launched, or had to wait for humans to be stronger before returning. However, as we know, The System is now broken and has the bar for us to achieve at a level far beyond what is attainable. If that process started early, the combo of corruption growing stronger and the growing expectations of survivor's may have prevented them from returning and purging corruption

[main mural]

its because of the titans thats why killing them had the arks drop.

[fallow sapphire]

well yes, but their question was why didnt they purge the corruption when the titans didnt exist

[main mural]

they existed well before the arks. titans were at the start of the collapse

[fallow sapphire]

there is absolutely no proof to suggest that

we know that they existed, but not when

[main mural]

we know that at the time humans still existed the element was expanding not going down.
titans are what caused it to stay as seen in extinction when by killing the titan it drops enough for the arks to drop.
and from helena's note 25, helena has the dream about element spreading and it making the titans.

[fallow sapphire]

sure, i agree, but we also don't know when the titans starting showing up reletive to when the ARK's launched

it's just as possible they showed up before the ARK's launched as it is they showed up after the ARK's launched

[main mural]

we do know that when they were launched it hadn't stopped spreading because humans were still around guess it could've made the titans to defeat the humans.

[fallow sapphire]

true point, and would be in line with corruption having a vendetta against humans

[main mural]

it has a vendetta against everything lol

[fallow sapphire]

fair, but like it specifically targeted the survivors from ab

hunted them down

i wonder if it utilized dino's back then, or just created titans

[main mural]

probably both.

corrupted what it can and then made titans for big destruction.

[fallow sapphire]

i wish we knew more about back then, cause it would honestly be really interesting to learn what the first titans were like, if the king titan was the first and the rest were his soldiers, or if the titans it made ramped up in power till it made the king titan

[tulip scaffold]

Do we know why all three of the Titans were on the Region were the extintion map takes Place.

[stiff loom]

What did Yongki whisper to Santiago before blowing them both up?

[lyric tendon]

The 3 titans are KT's main generals

In the notes there are more lesser titans along with corrupteds

[dim palm]

not gonna lie i hope they retcon the other 4 master ai's being deleted, moeder being a boss and a mission at the same time is such an interesting concept. They could def add the rest and id love it

[mental basin]

The ARKs couldn't purge the Element from Earth near the end of the world because there was too much for them to handle.

Earth as we see it in Extinction is EXPONENTIALLY worse, and there's WAY more Element proliferation around, but killing the King Titan pretty much puts the Element in a weakened state, which the ARKs can handle.

[mental basin]

It's implied that the Titans were around it the very, very end, when there weren't many people left, and when Sanctuary was the only remnant of civilization.

[main steppe]

Should’ve let us hole up in an apartment in Extinction smh

But to be totally honest, I would have loved to see some of the interiors of the buildings in sanctuary

[lofty scaffold]

I assume that's why it's called sanctuary

[lofty scaffold]

Fr

[lyric tendon]

let us have interiors in Ext!

[eager shuttle]

Wait there are other titans?!!!??

[kindred burrow]

Another settlement needs your help

[tulip scaffold]

Do we know why extintion has Obelisks

And we can respawn. We are on Earth Not an ark.

So respawn should be impossible cause it’s Done thanks the the ark System

[kindred burrow]

Gane wise we can resoawn real qise qnd from the notes ones you die on earth you sre gone forever

[tulip scaffold]

That were gone forever what note does this say. Is there any evidence

[tulip scaffold]

Can anyone say when Helena says You and all your kin must answer that timeless question - Will you survive?

[mental basin]

They are Proto-Obelisks, they were just unfinished designs. They don't really do much, besides observe their surroundings.

[mental basin]

The System is still connected to Sanctuary in some way, as Helena Deus said it herself- it's where The System originates. So while it's considered the ARK System, it still has ties to Sanctuary, and/or the Control Center (Implant-shaped ruin) in the wastes.

[mental basin]

Yes, but none of them are particularily on the same level as the Desert, Ice, Forest or King Titan.

That's why we refer to them as 'Lesser Titans', since they're still Titans, but they aren't as important or powerful as the main four.

[dim palm]

Speaking of the System, wasn’t there a wiki page for it in the past? What happened to it?

[main steppe]

Might’ve gotten lost in the transfer off of fandom

[dim palm]

I can’t even find it in fandom

I could’ve sworn there was a page dedicated to it

[brave lodge]

Guys I found something hidden in plain sight takes some knowledge on different Syphers but the Arks Atculy have Pin Names... to identify every ark

For Exemple ARK-42-1B is the island

Mably these modle numbers can help fuger out when they where made

[lyric tendon]

huh?

[brave lodge]

The other two however are gonna be way harder to find as they don't have the overseer areana

Rockwell himself had discovered the word ark somewhere and I found its location

Better yet he found the word on the island the same ARK I found ot on

[tulip scaffold]

Do you think we really respawn when Dying on extintion like in the Island it is it just a Game feature

[lyric tendon]

define "we"

the people in the notes only experienced permadeath, "we" in the other hand came years after Helena made the Respawn Code and Diana is the first person being respawned

[tulip scaffold]

We as the player

[lyric tendon]

gameplay

[brave lodge]

With how Helena described the player as one who tries again and how she is likely the one bringing the player back on extinction there is a note that staits the prossece of bringing someone back

So read the notes you'll find an answer eventually

[fallow sapphire]

My assumption is theres either some cloning chambers on extinction allowing for you to respawn, or you would canonically respawn on ab then beam back down

[lyric tendon]

or using the same system the ARKs used to drop people in the ARKs except Helena used Santiago's coords as a spawn point

but this is just theorycrafting since even Helena doesnt know how the hell she did it

[tulip scaffold]

But we have obeliscs on Earth and a Part of the ark System is connected to it so it could theoretically respawn us

[brave lodge]

I'm gonna have to debunk this because the obelisks on earth are proto types and are mere power sources

Same with the ones on the protoarks

This is coming from someone who's read every explorer note

Rough time frame of all of the events that lead up to the arks is only around 200 years...
The colony ship about 150 years...
And the titans somewhere In between

Also learned there were two Santiagos

[mental basin]

There's four, actually.

[mental basin]

When did the Tek Wars end, how did Diana die, and what was Santiago's first last name?

Just curious

[mental basin]

He found it etched into the insides of a Survivor's Implant decades before Helena made it to The Island.

As stated in his first Record on Scorched Earth

[mental basin]

Big X right there. Diana was respawned onto the Earth just the same as we Survivors are, don't forget.

[lyric tendon]

read up

[mental basin]

I'm saying that the player respawning works the same

And our deaths on Earth are canonical

[lyric tendon]

hence i am asking "define "we""

[mental basin]

Am I mistaken, because it looks to me like he's asking if us respawning on Earth is canon, and you reply with no essentially

When it is already stated to be canon

[lyric tendon]

best to click the reply first for context

[mental basin]

I did, but I just woke up

[lyric tendon]

morning

[mental basin]

I slept like a God damn baby

But then I heard weird scratching noises coming from my wall so I had to get up

[main mural]

I'm confused why you responded gameplay to why us the players respawn when its explained in the lore.

[mental basin]

Yeah that's pretty much what I'm saying

[mental basin]

The Obelisks don't function as a cloning chamber, they exist as observational pillars with terraforming capabilities.

[lyric tendon]

i am confused on which "we"

as in "we" as the canon "survivor"
or
"we" as in the "player" who just play the game and do weird gameplay stuff

the person answered "player" instead of "survivor" hence my answer is "gameplay"

[mental basin]

[main mural]

that doesn't make sense. us respawning is lore based. gameplay is for things that aren't explained.

[mental basin]

Not neccessarily, gameplay is moreso things that are inconsistent and/or really really stupid

Like when people ask 'Well how can I carry 800 pillars, that makes no sense'
Gameplay brotha

[main mural]

thats what I meant

if something is directly stated in the lore then its not really a gameplay reason

[mental basin]

One big thing people never understand is that the Implant really isn't that important, and it isnt' some magical chamber which holds your entire Inventory

[main mural]

in game lore doesn't it translate

[mental basin]

In quite literally every instance in the Explorer Notes, pack dinosaurs are shown carrying bags and pockets, tarps and rolled up hides, while survivors share the same thing.

There is a Genesis Tidbit which shows a Survivor spamming Pillars by hand.

Something tells me not a lot of said people even read the Notes lmfao

I have people to this day telling me that Extinction is an ARK

[main mural]

yeah, its a giant ark in space

[mental basin]

[lyric tendon]

would be nice to see those kinds of saddles in game rather than trying to get 10k metal out of the anky's butt (especially when it is saddleless) lmao

[dim palm]

I mean if they don’t read notes can you blame them? The wiki literally lists all the maps on the page named “ARKs” instead of “Maps”

[brave lodge]

Diana died to Rockwell and was later revived and died a second time on earth...

The tek wars ended sometime in 2400ish
Bringing rise of the titans...

And wich Santiago...

[brave lodge]

Would people question there being Smaller ARKs inside of an ark whoever thought extinction was an ark is an idiot

Not to mention extinctions description sais it's an apocalyptic earth

It doesn't have a barrier and you can go in the creator if you are using GCM

And if you go far enough out you can find where the cutseen plays during Ascension

This took hours though

So yeah I saw the crash sight of Aberation

[fallow sapphire]

See but that requires people to read, which is far beyond what people can do

[brave lodge]

The size of extinction compared to crystal isles is massive if you can get out of the kill zone

And crystal isles is the largest ark

You would have to assume it's a planet

[brave lodge]

Also found the element compund...

I wonder if it's safe to make in labs???

🤔

It's on the charge nodes

[granite stump]

People either say that to be annoying or they don’t actually understand the lore lol

[brave lodge]

Someone should've told matpat about ark before he retired

After all he was the LORE guy

[granite stump]

I’d rather him not do stuff with ark. The only real theory crafting he could of done when ase was done with the lore was figure out the string of events that triggered the element war fully but the best person we had that explained it was neddy the noodle

[main steppe]

There really isn’t much to theorize with with ark

[mental basin]

All of the above is incorrect!

Diana #23 (Extinction) tells us that Diana died in-combat within the Thailand Gulf alongside Kazuma, when their orbital carrier collapsed. I am referring to her original death.

And according to Santiago Log #13 (Gen 2), the Element Wars ended in 2347.

And like I said, Santiago's FIRST name. Which is given to us in Diana Log #2 (Extinction)- 'Camacho'.

Reading the Notes is one thing- understanding them? That's a whole 'nother ballpark.

[mental basin]

The only time I've seen the Ascension is in the DevKit, it wouldn't be hours out into the distance of Extinction. The amount of stress that would put under the game is immense.

As for the Element compound, it's nonsensical. It doesn't amount to anything. It isn't a real compound.

[brave lodge]

Messed with different elements to make a compound that could exist while still holding the property's of element such as radio activity life components and even a diagram explaining how we could actually use it as a powersource that dosent require wireing

[mental basin]

Untrue, it's all science fiction. Element couldn't exist in the world, as anything past what we've already discovered is so unstable, that it is unable to persist beyond what to my knowledge, is less than even a few seconds.

[brave lodge]

It's obviously not gonna be the exact but it's definitely close

[mental basin]

[brave lodge]

I would post my research here but I can't send fiels or pictures

[mental basin]

Anywho, I'm gonna go take a shower. If there are any other ARK lore questions you'd like answers to, send 'em here and I'll respond when I come back.

[dim palm]

You should check out the island of stability, it’s a theoretical “island” deep in the unstable elements that could theoretically be stable

[bold dove]

Listened to someone awhile ago in a VC disecting Element on a realistic level, and they took chemistry classes. And the tl;dr of it was "There's too many variables that Element can do, that realistically couldn't be possible IRL"
If I recall right, one thing was that Element can create mass amounts of energy without needing to consume energy was a big factor against it.

[main steppe]

It’s funny sci fi mushroom metal from space that does whatever the writer needs it to do at the time

[bold dove]

Yep

[kindred burrow]

You know why do i hear palpatine scream unlimited power

[main mural]

there are still scientists trying to find another "island of stability" so not impossible for others to exist.
won't be magic like element tho lol

[mental basin]

Element isn't really magic

It's an enigma, technically it's more 'alive' than it is a metal necessarily

At least in certain forms

In a Reddit AMA, Soskin straight up suggested that it has some form of intelligent goal to seek out sentient life, which lead it to Earth

[main steppe]

Kind of hope future writers pull on that for a storyline

[main mural]

its magic as in unexplainable lol. and in some ways against the laws of physics

[bold dove]

Kind of makes me think of the WAU from Soma, but more sentient and cosmic.

[lament raft]

there were things to suggest the element had a sort of hive mind

rockwell's slow descent into madness, the way corrupted creatures work

[kindred burrow]

Would ya guys love to see corrupted beings on lost colony

[tulip scaffold]

Where could lost colony take place is the question. Maybe on earth after the reseed was successful and we finally can see the new earth

[mental basin]

Well yes, it explicitly does have one lol

[mental basin]

Yep, that's exactly where it takes place!

On what was previously the 'dark' side of the planet during the tidal lock.

[tulip scaffold]

A extinction 2.0

Map

[lament raft]

extreme cold instead of a sun blasted hellscape

[mental basin]

The 'Lost Colony' in question is a place called Arat Prime.

I've helped both Neddythenoodle and Raas make videos about Arat Prime, so I'd say I have quite a bit of knowledge on it lol

[lament raft]

well dont spoil anything lol

[tulip scaffold]

Where is arat prime ? Arat is the new planet for Genesis humans

[mental basin]

Arat Prime is on the other side of the Earth to Sanctuary, 'Arat' is what the colonists named the planet once they had arrived there.

[tulip scaffold]

From where do you have this info

[lament raft]

notes

[mental basin]

Explorer Notes, talking to the writers, etc

[tulip scaffold]

Ah where aberration ark landed

[mental basin]

Yep yep

[tulip scaffold]

The question now is how much time has passed between extinction and lost colony

And if Helena is still ,,alive,,

[mental basin]

Not much, I predict. Aberration lands after the Reseed Protocol, and Rockwell ended up using Arat Prime's superluminal link to infiltrate the Colony Ship shortly afterwards.

Oh Helena is still alive during Lost Colony.

Or, I guess, Helena Deus. She Who Waits.

[tulip scaffold]

I hope for much time cause I want to see the restored earth

[lament raft]

sanctuary would be from the people that built the arks, arat prime is the people that launched the genesis ship

[tulip scaffold]

The dialogs will be epic

[mental basin]

Don't get your hopes up, Lost Colony is still frozen over. Arat Prime is still dealing with being previously frozen over from the tidal lock.

[tulip scaffold]

What do you mean with frozen over

Maybe I forgot something

[mental basin]

You're right! Sanctuary was where the ARKs and The System were first conceptualized and executed by the Transhumanists of the United Republics of Earth. Arat Prime is supposedly where the Genesis-Ship was constructed/launched, and is more oriented towards the Humanists of the Terran Federation. That said, both the URE Transhumanists and RAF Humanists worked to create the Colony Ship. (And it predated the ARKs!)

[lament raft]

yeah i never remember which name went to which group

[tulip scaffold]

Why have these two groups fought each other. Wasn’t it cause of ideology beliefs

[lament raft]

in short, yes

[mental basin]

The Earth is tidal locked in Extinction, which pretty much means it's rotating in-sync with the sun.

Sanctuary lies within the 'goldilocks zone', which is a small strip of land around the circumfrence of the planet that is still habitable to a certain extent. That's why the northern side of the map is full of ice and glacial formations- we're bordering the frozen side of the planet.

That said, past the goldilocks zone lies two sides opposite of eachother, the burnt-up side of the planet facing the sun, and the frozen side of the planet which hasn't had sunlight in generations. Arat Prime is on the frozen side of the planet.

The Earth begins rotating again after the Reseed Protocol, but all that ice encasing Arat Prime isn't gonna instantly melt away

[lament raft]

the side facing the sun is basically the aberration surface all day every day

[mental basin]

The burnt-up side of the planet is all fine and dandy, as we see it almost immediately begin reflourishing post-Reseed, but it's clear that the frozen side, at least the area near Arat Prime, is gonna need a little time to heal up fully.

[tulip scaffold]

Why was the earth rotating loked. LOL how could something like that happen

[lament raft]

the element

[tulip scaffold]

As always

[mental basin]

The Element grew so far deep into the planet, it literally slowed the entire planet down

[lament raft]

the cause of, and solution to, all of ark life's problems

[tulip scaffold]

That stuff is op

[mental basin]

[lament raft]

it's Ark's unobtanium

[mental basin]

Maybe, if it weren't so abundantly spread across space, like we see in Genesis 2

I mean, there's space dolphins that gobble the stuff up, it's a miracle it took so long to get to us

[tulip scaffold]

Wait ARKs destroyed all Element but one of these is broken.maybe some element is still there

[lament raft]

all the raw element

refined element is perfectly fine

[tulip scaffold]

Yeah but if one bit survives thanks to aberrations explosion

[mental basin]

Kind of unclear what Element the ARKs considered to purge

[lament raft]

it cleared all the corrupted stuff which i assume is raw/unrefined element

[mental basin]

I mean, the ARKs themselves run off of Element, but Helena says that the ARKs use The System to purge the Element in her Ext Notes

Which is kind of an issue since The System isn't a tangible thing, but go off Helena, you veiny bastard

[tulip scaffold]

But a broken ark makes mistakes and maybe it failed to purque all Elements in its area

[lament raft]

yeah everything tek uses element

[mental basin]

We don't really know yet, but my hunch is that we'll be seeing liquid Element again in LC

[mental basin]

AH, BUT FUN FACT

It doesn't HAVE to

[lament raft]

in its construction

[mental basin]

The Genesis-Ship? It's powered by the artificial sun between the rings.

[tulip scaffold]

It’s Element

[mental basin]

Nope, that's not Element

[tulip scaffold]

It’s a real mini sun

[lament raft]

oh neat, so the genesis ship is also like a mini dyson ring

[mental basin]

The Gen-Ship straight up doesn't run off of Element

The stuff INSIDE runs off of Element, but the SHIP itself doesn't

Kind of confusing, I know

[tulip scaffold]

Plays halo Musik

What will they do with the element from the ship at arat.

I think destroying it

[lament raft]

genesis ship got ripped apart

[tulip scaffold]

Santiago doesn’t seem like he likes Element anymore

[lament raft]

then it exploded

[mental basin]

This infers that Tek just needs a LOT of energy to function. Something Element can provide easily. But if you wanted to work Tek WITHOUT Element, you'd need a substantial substitute- Such as requiring an ENTIRE SUN to power the Gen-Ship. Whereas if they wanted to fuel it with Element, it would require a lot less effort and quantity than the sun. Make sense?

[tulip scaffold]

Still some bit of it will have survived and got to the planet.

[mental basin]

The Corrupted Ring and Rockwell's Innards all got vaporized by Arat's neighboring gas giant, so no worries there

But we can't say for sure

Anyways, it may be that some of the infected Tek/environment made it to Arat, but we just don't know yet

[tulip scaffold]

What about the crio pots. The were made from Element

And the mini ships

[mental basin]

Those also weren't infected by Rockwell

And they're made of refined Element

So they're pretty much safe to use

[tulip scaffold]

They have Technologie but in the trailer we can see that they don’t use it.

[tulip scaffold]

Yeah but they aren’t using it

[mental basin]

Well what I'm saying is that even if the Arat Survivors did use it, there would be zero consequences

[tulip scaffold]

But why aren’t they using it

[mental basin]

Santiago really doesn't want to for a bevvy of reasons
He's paranoid, and he's definitely got PTSD from the Element Wars

[tulip scaffold]

Let’s see what ark 2 will tell. I think it’s cause of sandiego.

[tulip scaffold]

Yeah I think the same

But there’s also technology that doesn’t use tek and there still living like cavemen

[mental basin]

Bob's Tall Tales already confirmed it lol, you're on the right track

[mental basin]

I feel like that's just because it's what the players asked for

[tulip scaffold]

I just want first person

[tulip scaffold]

Still not a fan that Mekkas mom is Diana

Mey Ming crying in the corner

[mental basin]

Diana is bisexual

Plus, the version of Diana who had Meeka didn't even know Mei-Yin

[lament raft]

diana 2.0

[mental basin]

We don't really know WHEN Meeka was conceived, if it was original Santiago original Diana, etc

What we do know is that it was BEFORE the ARKs, and during the end times for Earth

Otherwise Meeka's Engrammic Matrix wouldn't exist in the Genesis database

[lament raft]

well og santiago is way way dead

[mental basin]

He died near the end of the war

[lament raft]

yeah, prolly same with diana

ab santiago is ded too

so this is Santiago 3.0

[mental basin]

Maybe, we actually get a cause of death in her Notes, but we don't get a date
(If we did, it would be incorrect anyways, for reasons I won't delve into)

[lament raft]

or... 2.0 since he'd have been made first

clones get confusing

[mental basin]

Are you referring to the Santiago who had Meeka with Diana? Had to have been Santiago 1.0 or Santiago 2.0

3.0 is Aberration Santiago, and Santiago 4.0 is ARK II Santiago

[lament raft]

wouldnt 2.0 also be ark 2

[mental basin]

We have no clue which X.0 Diana it was, but we know that it wasn't Aberration Diana

[lament raft]

or did that clone die

[mental basin]

Ahem, time to dust off my handy McExplain-inator

[lament raft]

like i said clones get confusing XD

nah its fine

not important

things get fucky when you add in what amounts to time travel (long distance space travel shenanigans)

[mental basin]

Santiago 1.0 is the original, who died near the end of the Tek War
Santiago 2.0 (San2iago) was cloned to help with the Colony Ship, and was killed in a suicide bombing
Santiago 3.0 (San3iago) was cloned on Aberration, and died on Extinction
Santiago 4.0 (San4iago) is a presumed clone of San2iago, who may have San3iago's memories, but we aren't quite sure yet

It's kind of fucky because Santiago 4.0 is a clone... of a clone.....

Who may or may not have cloned memories from another clone

[lament raft]

again, clones, confuzzled

lol

[mental basin]

Vin-ception

[lament raft]

yis

gets worse when you think how many copies mightve been in other arks

is it ever stated how many arks there are? with the asa menu background im sure someone could calculate based on the pattern we're shown

[mental basin]

Phew, no idea

Hundreds, I'd imagine

All different shapes and size

Shame we only got to see three up close

[lament raft]

maybe but we see the pattern theyre arranged in. essy enough to take that and extrapolate the rest of the pattern and count

[mental basin]

Technically, fun fact 2, there's canonically an ARK which failed to launch on Extinction- we just don't see it ingame.

Wanna know why?

The entire Extinction Map in and of itself isn't canon. It's completely different in the Notes. We get a very condensed version ingame, which doesn't at all match the Explorer Notes.

Of course the Events of Extinction are canon, it's just that the Map we play on in and of itself is a crude approximation of the Notes.

[lament raft]

sorta yeah. its what happens when crunchtime happens

[mental basin]

Oh no, not just that

I mean, Sanctuary in the Notes is MASSIVE

Ever-scrawling, absolutely mind-fuckingly large

I don't think the devs could have realistically captured that in a Map lol

[lament raft]

lol

[mental basin]

Yet another instance of Gameplay =/= Canon

[lament raft]

ive gone out of bounds in sp and they planned it at some point

[mental basin]

Maybe I should make another ARK lore Short abt this

[tulip scaffold]

It can be that she uploaded her self like the other to genesis

[mental basin]

But I'm way too busy writing my ARK II / Bob's Tall Tales Explained script. HEUGH

[tulip scaffold]

Do you have a yt channel or why do you write scripts

[mental basin]

Yep, I'm aiming to become the new ARK lore guy, since Ned kinda passed me the torch atp

If you didn't know, I wrote a bunch of his ARK lore Short scripts, and did a big chunk of the writing on the lore explained video he published.

[tulip scaffold]

What why. What happend

I watches his full story ark video a day ago

[mental basin]

Oh, he just doesn't do ARK that frequently anymore.

[tulip scaffold]

Oh wow. You did a great job.

[mental basin]

As did Ned, and his editor

[tulip scaffold]

Yes

His videos and shorts are great. Editing and script vise

May I ask do you know how long his full ark story video took to make

[mental basin]

Almost a year, but we broke it up into several uploads which kind of did poorly

The supercut is at 2.1mil views though lol

I alone am actually writing the entire ARK Ascended Full Story Explained script in the background this time

[tulip scaffold]

You are doing a new full story video ? Wow

[tulip scaffold]

But it payed out. Video is great

[tulip scaffold]

Yt algo likes long videos

[mental basin]

Yes it does

[tulip scaffold]

Do you now have a yt channel ? Couldn’t find it

[mental basin]

nanoStel

Might show up as StelxMarie though

Not sure

I've only got 2 ARK lore Shorts of questionable quality up rn, I'm just kinda trying to finish this giant ass Bob video

After that it's back to Shorts for awhile

[tulip scaffold]

You need to link it to your dc. People can’t finde you easy. And your dc profile has your old twitter acc linked

[mental basin]

Ah, I see, thank you

[tulip scaffold]

No problem

[tulip scaffold]

Aren’t they that bad. Just the sound needs a bit of tuning

But over all nice shorts

[mental basin]

Thanksss

[tulip scaffold]

Is there a lore reason why we can tame the titans

[mental basin]

seperating them from the hivemind

It's been implied that you are hypothetically able to remove corruption from a living thing and rehabilitate it. When Helena tried on Extinction, it's just that the corruption had completely subsumed all the dinos she had access to.

The Titans have very specific, easy-to-seperate corrupted nodules though, I guess

It's weird

[lyric tendon]

(Or just gameplay)

Mei would've figured out that the "generals" are tameable way earlier if the titan's tameability is canon (knowing Mei tames in a BS of ways)

[mental basin]

Titans are canonically tameable yes, as Helena Deus straight up tells you to herself...

[lyric tendon]

When

[mental basin]

In her notes???????

[lyric tendon]

Yes

[mental basin]

I'm in bed, I'm not about to scroll the wiki
You can do it yourself though.

She explicitly tells us to take their minds and bring them with us into the final battle

[lyric tendon]

Same here so... [Citation Needed]

[mental basin]

So it shall be, I'll send it when I wake

But yes, it is considered canon

[fallow sapphire]

#19 and #23 are the ones you guys are looking for:
"But to speak with the voice of his lieutenants, you must take their hearts. Or if you can, take their minds, and pit their strength against his. However you do it, they are the key. You must begin with them."
and
"With the hearts or minds of his three lieutenants in hand, you must travel across the wastes and walk the forbidden plains - into the heart of the barren garden. It's here where his power is strongest, but he will show himself nowhere else. He has no reason to step down from his throne."

[vestal snow]

Bob is god, good thing helen walker trusts bob

[turbid seal]

🙏

[bold dove]

Tidally locked planets are a real thing.

[main steppe]

Not the only game to do it, either. Nier has the exact same thing

Albeit minus the dinosaurs

[mental basin]

Ah, there we go.

So yes, like I said- Taming the Titans = Canonical.

[bold dove]

The Survivor is fucking OP.

[brave lodge]

Why couldn't the directors of ARK The Animated Series make it follow the lore...
I was realy hopping to learn by watching it but now it's just lame

[bold dove]

From what I recall, they said they wanted it to be different enough from the original notes lore to make something unique.

Honestly though.
Personally, I would've been more down for a Halo: Legends type of episodic series. Where each episode was a short story of different aspects of the ARK universe.
From different survivors, different ARK's, to storylines set in different time periods, like possibly the Element war.

[fallow sapphire]

honestly i dont get why they didnt keep the implants as translators in the animated series

[bold dove]

Is there anything to go against that in the show?
Been awhile since I watched it.

[fallow sapphire]

that there isnt a translator? like the first episode

[main steppe]

I think it’s sort of implied that’s what’s happening

[fallow sapphire]

Helena meets someone who doens't speak english

[bold dove]

Oh shit, right.

[fallow sapphire]

and cant understand them

[mental basin]

Hot take, TAS > Island Notes

They rewrote The Island keeping in mind all the new ARK lore. It makes everything just tie in more.

[fallow sapphire]

kill him, kill him now

[main steppe]

My only real issue is Rockwell, but other than I think it’s really good

[mental basin]

Rockwell was a slap in the face, and I hate him.

Nerva got merged with Timur, which I don't hate.

Mei-Yin is called The Beast Queen, yet has no dinos.

[fallow sapphire]

aslong as Mei and Diana are still a thing, i like the animated series

if Diana gets side lined for Helena, i hate it

[main steppe]

I think she did, but then the attack against Nerva failed miserably, with them all dying there

[mental basin]

I assume so as well, but it's strange that she's still called that, when she doesn't have any now.

Maybe we'll get a flashback where Helena asks her why the others have been calling her that.

Cue Wuzhui's death.

[brave lodge]

Wernt edmund and Helena partners at one point

[fallow sapphire]

i mean, thats how names and titles work lol

[main steppe]

Yes. Rockwell’s descent was far more gradual in the game

[mental basin]

If you read all the notes, you should probably know they were essentially best friends for a few years lol

[brave lodge]

The ending kinda made me sad

[mental basin]

It's so bright, I'm afraaaaaaaaaaiiidddddddd

[main steppe]

[bold dove]

Rockwell saw Helena as an equal to him, and even wanted to explore the mysteries of the Obelisks with her. But he got overly jealous and his ego broke when he found out Helena was doing her own research of the ARK and Obelisks without him.

[mental basin]

Just ignore the fact that Rockwell explicitly hid the name of the ARKs to Helena

And he tells literally everyone else

[bold dove]

Yeah, Rockwell has some double standards.

[main steppe]

He always had a bit of an ego to him

[mental basin]

And she only learns their name on Extinction

[bold dove]

And that was his downfall

[mental basin]

And somehow nobody else told her for years

[mental basin]

He was never a good guy, he was ripping out the implants of corpses and hiding things from others for years.

He was kind of a shady guy, but he wasn't a bad guy either.

He had good, he had bad. He was human.

Kind of a jerkish one but whatever

[main steppe]

Well, until he turned himself into a dead space necromorph

[bold dove]

He was questionable, but you could chock it up of him coming from that timeframe where science was filled with going beyond morality.

[main steppe]

I don’t know if that qualified as human

[bold dove]

New species of humans?

[main steppe]

That WAS his best plan, I suppose

[bold dove]

There's more then one species of humans after all.
Homo Sapiens are just the last living ones.

[main steppe]

Big humans with guts on the outside

Kind of a silly plan when you think about it

[bold dove]

What months to possibly a year of exposure to Element does to a mentally weak and ego-filled man.

[bronze turtle]

Can someone paint a picture of how the tek civilization worked on extinction? And why did they build the enforcers to harm non hostile creatures too?

[bold dove]

They where constructed for urban combat, but have gone haywire due to their age and not maintained for years.
They shouldn't attack non-hostile animals, but since ASA introduced baby animals, passive creatures do get aggressive if the baby gets scared. So that might just be an oversight.

[bronze turtle]

And why did the people leave or die?

[bold dove]

Because the Corruption completely wiped out all life on Earth.
Every original humans are now dead, and the ARK's and Genesis-ship maintain the only known cloned humans left.
The Corruption tidally locked the planet, so now the planet itself is also dead for the most part.
Only reason why there's even some life on the planet, is because the specific place Sanctuary is located used Prototype versions of the ARK's, and since no one turned them off before everyone died, they've just kept pumping out animals for god knows how long.

But once you go outside of the bounds of the Extinction map, it's assumed everything but Corruption, if even that, is all dead due to the extremely hostile climate.

[bronze turtle]

Also... If the animals are holograms how can you eat them?

Thx for explaining btw

[bold dove]

They're not

[bronze turtle]

Hmm... where have I heard that then?

[bold dove]

Might be from Gen1, where it was set in a literal simulation.

[bronze turtle]

After acension it talked about how the preds out numbered the prey 2two fold or something

[bold dove]

But everything else is set in the physical world.

[bronze turtle]

And then the ARKS are just space stations over earth, right? If so, is earth fine?

[bold dove]

Correct.
The predators in the ecosystem of The Island was double that of prey. Which isn't natural, as no real world environment can handle that many predators and it not damaging the enviroment

[bronze turtle]

So then how does it sustain?

[bold dove]

Earth is only healed once you beat Extinction and afterwards (Lost Colony, Gen1-2)

[bold dove]

Clones.
Constant pumping out clones

[bronze turtle]

Where is the source of the clones?

[bold dove]

Just like the Proto-ARK's on Earth keep the area around Sanctuary alive still with animals, while the rest of the planet is dead.

[bold dove]

Like, where specifically on the ARK?

[bronze turtle]

Well i mean, the animals are dispersed, so it cant be one place only, but yeah.

[bold dove]

Oh wait, are you asking like how the clones get onto the ARK?

[bronze turtle]

well where do they come from? The space ship?

[bold dove]

Every ARK has their own dedicated cloning chamber inside of it.
Basically the so-far confirmed anatomy of an ARK is.
-The surface, where survivors and creatures roam around and live.
-The underbelly/deep inside where possibly reserves of Element is stored. (seen in Aberration)
Then the ARK's have three pillars around them.
-We don't fully know what the first two pillars do, but the third one that has a diamond-shaped large ledge is where the entire Hall of History and Overseer arena is set.
Somewhere either inside the belly or the pillars, are where the cloning chambers are located.
The ARK will clone creatures for its respective environment, and (not confirmed, but presumably) teleport the clone onto the surface section of the ARK while nothing is around.

[lament raft]

from the helena ab notes the cloning chambers are held deep inside the ark

[bronze turtle]

I havent heard of the third one with the ledge.

[bold dove]

If you google "ark survival evolved ark space station" then you'll see the one that almost looks like an upside down L

[bronze turtle]

Ok, done.

[bold dove]

Was that confirmed?
I remember them needing to teleport directly inside the chamber, but can't recall if how she worded it.

[lament raft]

id have to read again to be sure but iirc she mentions going deep into the depths of the ark

[bronze turtle]

Yeah, I see the massive pillars outside of the ark, in space

[lament raft]

after they tap into the obelisk tp network, where theyre attacked by nameless and/or reapers

[bronze turtle]

But then where is the station that you go into?

[bold dove]

The hall of history?

[bronze turtle]

Yes.

[bold dove]

The tip of the upside down L pillar.

[bronze turtle]

oh...

[bold dove]

We go from diving into the volcano, to teleporting up there.

[bronze turtle]

Yeah, I have a few times but I was always puzzled.

so the pillars only purpose is to hold up the ark

and where do you teleport to fight the bosses?

[lament raft]

in game the boss arenas are little pocket areas beneath the map, so would probably be similar lore-wise

[bronze turtle]

I hate to ask so many things, but also what time is the gameplay in? modern? future? past? I assume future tho.

[bold dove]

Well, it's in space. So it doesn't need that support.
We don't know the function of the other two pillars. But they more then likely have something to do with the ARK itself, as the Aberration Overseer pillar (the upside down L one) was blown up, and that damaged the atmosphere of the ARK, leaving the surface now septuple to radiation and the intense heat of the sun during the day.

[bold dove]

Time?

Like clock or time period the game is set?

[bronze turtle]

But energy wise

time period

[lament raft]

i imagine the pillars hold large sections of future-tech stuff

[bold dove]

If you mean the time period the game is set. It's roughly far the the future past the Tek-war, which ended if I recall sometime in the 2500. So possibly like 600+ years into our future.

[lament raft]

with 3 of them and 3 obelisks for the teleport network because you need a triangulation system to know where exactly things go

and its never stated, ark could be hundreds, thousands, even millions of years in the future

[bronze turtle]

So the oblisks are connected to them

and its in the year 2600, i was right

[bold dove]

Roughly past that.
Like I said, if I recall right the Tek war ended in around the 2500s, and it wasn't too long after I believe that the entire Earth went extinct.
The ARK's have been in orbit long enough that they themselves are slowly degrading and have became more hostile then ever before, so could be only a few decades, centuries, or even thousands of years.

@mental basin would know best with the timeline.
That's the biggest thing I fuck up with and forget.

[mental basin]

busy

[bold dove]

Actually, remove the decades.
There's no way I will believe Tek can decay in decades.

[lament raft]

gameplay itself is a long time after when the notes take place

since a lot are in ruins

[bold dove]

Pretty sure actually it's only around 60ish years after.
Think HLN-A has a throwaway line that states that it's only been a few decades.

[bronze turtle]

So Bob is the only human left? Oh wait hes a clone too i forgot

[bold dove]

Every human on the ARK are clones of long dead humans back on Earth.

[bronze turtle]

So everything is clones. Thats kind of depressing.

[bold dove]

Yerp

[bronze turtle]

I gtg to sleep now. Its really late for me.

thx guys for explaining

[lyric tendon]

would be cool if "Lost Colony" a preserving chamber where the last "non-cloned" Tek Era Humans remained in eternal cryo stasis and those people will give us the details about the Tek War

solving the mystery of the reasoning of the war
some say "it's ideology" (gen) other say "it's for progress" (ab) but those are from propaganda heard by soldiers, i want the prime reason of the war itself

[bold dove]

I don't know. Feel like personally that would ruin the kind of bleakness the clones had.
They already kind of removed some of the bleakness by adding in the Engramic Matrix and made death...honestly meaningless to a degree. But having a chamber full of Tek-era humans would fully ruin it personally.
I always liked the idea that the Homo Sapiens that we're used to, our species, is essentially extinct. And in their place are a cloned mimicry of humanity.
Also, just add more cloned characters like Diana/Santiago if we want more Tek War information.

[lament raft]

but after the reseed protocol they wouldnt respawn i thought

[lyric tendon]

The issue with just the clone of Tek Era people kinda highlighted in Gen2 where information of the Tek Era just lost to the Streisand/Butterfly/Mandella Effect by given tampered information

I want information from the source itself

[bold dove]

I don't know why you listed off those three effects when they're each different?

[lyric tendon]

I have no word for "self/created or implanted false memories" so lump all 3 together

[lament raft]

i dont think any of those effects apply

[bold dove]

Stel could correct me, but I believe that was only hinted to 'possibly' be a thing. But they never flat out confirmed it.
Also, if they have the technology to resurrect humans 1:1 in both memories, soul, and biologically and then alter their memories. They 100% have the technology to alter a living normal human brain if the URE or Fed's had a reason to. So that really doesn't solve anything, because narratively the writers can just use either cloned or real humans, and use either real or augmented memories.

[bold dove]

Yeah.
Streisand effect is when you try to cover up something, but it just gained more attraction.
Butterfly effect is when a seemingly lesser action you made created a huge consequence outcome.
Mandella effect is when multiple people thought they remembered something as it was, but in reality it was something else. (example. People thought KitKat was spelled "Kit-Kat" on the label for the longest time.)

[lyric tendon]

The reason i prefer "preserved humans" over "cloned humans"

Is like comparing a paperback encyclopedia vs a easily rewritten wiki

[bold dove]

But both can be editted.

[lyric tendon]

The paper back has still all the old information untampered despite one copy is rewriten over thus preserving the past while wikis are constantly changing, sometimes for manipulating information, losing all the old information from the public eyes

[bold dove]

Sorry, just realized you said paperback.

It'd be more like a Fandom wiki versus Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Both could be trusted in the right situation.
Both can be edited.
Narratively, these both work exactly the same.
If Peter, the writer, wanted to explore more of the Tek civilization via people who lived during its time. He may use clones, and the clones, if he wanted to tell actual true facts would be factual.
The player wouldn't know this, as no different as if he decided to make non-cloned humans a thing and tell information off about their civilization, and then proceed to tell misinformation.
Yet we wouldn't know any better of what's true and false either way. Because currently know basically nothing.
Either possibility leads to the same outcome.

[tulip scaffold]

What’s tas

[main steppe]

The Animated Series

Or tool assisted speedrun

[tulip scaffold]

Why is the Blue Obelisk on extinction destroyed

[bronze turtle]

It is? I never noticed.

[tulip scaffold]

Yes sunken Forest

[brave lodge]

Sunken forest collapsed on the players impact to extinction as seen in the aberration Ascension cut scene

It actually used to be a proto ark just like the snow Dome and desert dome

And because the obelisk was in the proto ark when It collapsed it got destroyed

[tulip scaffold]

So we destoyed it While getunt from aberration to extinction

[brave lodge]

Yes

[tulip scaffold]

How

[brave lodge]

Well let's think about how high the player was when the player fell from the ark and the speed at wich they fell

[fallow sapphire]

Thats, like, not at all accurate. The obelisk we see in the ascension is not from the Sunken Forest

[bold dove]

Never confirmed.

[tulip scaffold]

But wasnt our spawn Point the City

[bold dove]

They completely made up the Sunken Forest bit.

[brave lodge]

You can spawn in sanctuary
Sunken forest
Desert Dome
And snow dome

[tulip scaffold]

What

[bold dove]

Don't quote me on this, but pretty sure Helena states something in her "The One Who Waits" notes that Sanctuary is where we woke up in.

[tulip scaffold]

Yeah but lore wise our spawn was the City

[bold dove]

The fact that it collapsed into the Earth when the player woke up during the Aberration ending.

[mental basin]

Nooope.

[bold dove]

Stel for the win

[tulip scaffold]

Ok let’s here the real reason

I’m all in

[mental basin]

There is literally nothing, and I mean nothing in the Explorer Notes saying, or even implying that our Ascension to Earth caused the Sunken Forest.

Not to mention the fact that the area is old as Hell, and home to exclusive Creatures who have made it their home for years and years, like the Gachas.

[mental basin]

There's no explanation given, if I recall. The leading theory is that it was built on a sinkhole. That's about it.

[tulip scaffold]

Gachas so cute but always looking deprest

[bold dove]

The sunken forest was basically just shoehorned in from what I recall.

[tulip scaffold]

Ok a bit anticlymactic

But we can assume that it was a proto ARK like the other two we have

[bold dove]

Probably because with how Wildcard used to do their map development cycle. Extinction was right after they released Aberration, and they saw how popular the idea of an underground forest was, so they might've thought "fuck it, it's our last map. Let's add in a underground forest"

[mental basin]

I should mention that yes, the Sunken Forest is another Proto-ARK, but 'Our Ascension caused it to sink' is a whole lotta talking out of one's ass.

[tulip scaffold]

What’s your Favorit map for
Gameplay
Story
Look
Overall

[bold dove]

Might've been due to seismic activities.
But yeah, I don't recall as well if they explained its existence in the notes, and pretty sure they didn't.

[tulip scaffold]

Thats Sound Likely and to be fair This area is beatyfull

[bold dove]

-Gen2.
-Aberration.
-Gen1.
-Gen2, but if they removed the teleportation it would've been Gen1.