lore-nerdz

[bold dove]

Like, Element could easily be the cause if they want to make a bland story.
Blaming a resource is like blaming Oil for all of our issues in the 21st century. Even though it's the politics and milita's that mass produce Oil for their own gain. (which is how I view Element, personally.)

[bronze turtle]

I get where you are coming from but I wouldn’t say it’s bland since it has been implied many times that element works as a hive mind and I think a material that is alive and wants to wipe out all life around the cosmos is a pretty interesting enemy even more because it can’t really be destroyed

[gloomy coral]

I'm referring to the "saur" which means reptile. It's clearly not a reptile in any form

[small hull]

oh yeah it’s closer to an insect of some kind so saur doesn’t really make sense

but alas, rule of cool

[bold dove]

Has it?
I recall Corruption being mentioned as a hivemind. But nowhere can I recall Element itself being a hivemind.

[bronze turtle]

Corruption is pure element that’s why pure element is able to corrupt people/things

[bold dove]

As I brought this up earlier. There's no point in the story outside of Rockwell where Element has done anything manipulative.
This alone leads me to believe Rockwell is both a unreliable source of information due to his mental state, and the voices where literally just his insanity.
We also don't know if Corruption is pure Element. It's never outright stated what causes Corruption.
The-One-Who-Waits, Santiago, no one actually has confirmed what caused the Corruption outbreak, cause no one officially knows. Only just theories.

If Element was able to manipulate life, then I believe someone more specialized in it like Santiago would've mentioned something like this. As he most certainly was exposed to mass amount of Element during his time in the tek-war to be able to produce all the technology with it.

[bronze turtle]

Are we ignoring the fact the one who waits literally says “the alien element that ended our world” it is 100% fact that corruption is because of element and it has been for many years

[bronze turtle]

As I said the one who waits in the extinction intro confirms that element is the cause

[bold dove]

It's within human nature to put blame on other things then ourselves.
We hate taking responsibility for things we think that're our of our control.
Not too far off to imagine humanity blaming Element, like how people would blame atomic bombs ending the world. Yet it was the world leaders that push the button.

[bronze turtle]

Then what is canon in your eyes because it seems to be pick and choosing there is no reason not to believe her she is not even a human anymore element is the main antagonist of the game always has been

[bold dove]

Has nothing to do with canonality.
She is also still a human, as humans are a any animal within the 'homo' genus, not a individual one.
She's just be a really, really advanced human.
Corruption I'd argue is more of the antagonist then Element is.
If Corruption is the mature state of Element, then how come we have yet to see any form of Corruption outside of Earth?
Especially on Gen-2, where we see literal planets covered in Element with the Element cycles in the skybox.
Though, we harvest Element out of them. Not Corrupted Nodules.
The astro-creatures can also live off of Element, as seen in Gen-2, and from what know. The astro-creatures are native to space, as stated by HLN-A. Making them the first aliens (outside of Element) within the ARK IP, and these aliens are perfectly fine eating Element.
We've also seen in Extinction that creatures can come to rely on Element in a positive way. Via creatures like Gacha's, Mana's, Gasbags, etc.
If Corruption was the end state of Element. Then why haven't all these species, that have been in contact with Element for years, decades, to possibly centuries, haven't turned Corrupted yet?

What I'm proposing, is that some for of outer force is what causes Element to Corrupt.
And if this is the case, can we put the blame on Element, or whatever/whoever causes this outside force to cause Element to go into a rogue state?

[stable gate]

I saw this argument just now and im absolutely flabbergasted, ELEMENT is what corrupts humans animals etcetera. You cant say element isnt what corrupts things because we literally mine the corrupted element nodes on extinction.

Element is the corruption

[bronze turtle]

Like you can’t say corruption is not caused by element

That’s is the literal story of the game

[bold dove]

Then we have to take into consideration why Element never bothered Corrupting Aberration, when there's rivers of active Element that've been on the ARK for decades, to possibly centuries.
And again, why is it that Element can harmlessly adapt creatures. While specifically Corruption is what causes entities infected by it to be killed.

[bronze turtle]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN ???
The effects of it is all throughout aberration even looks at Rockwell… reapers all of that
I’m completely shocked

[bold dove]

-Rockwell forcefully injected it into his bloodstream.
-Reapers and the Nameless are confirmed to be creatures the ARK itself created.

The point of the paragraph above isn't that Corruption isn't tied to Element.
But the cause of the 'why' Element enters its rogue state, AKA Corruption is still unknown. Even to the characters within the universe.

[stable gate]

My reasoning/ idea for that element can be harmless or harmlessly mutate creatures is that it can take on multiple forms such as Charge, Pure Element, and Corrupted Element. These are still all element but just in different states

[bronze turtle]

It’s not though that is the literal whole point of the story I’ve never seen any thing like this in my years of being in the ark lore community

[bold dove]

Correct.
Though what causes Element to enter its Corruption state, is unknown.
Whether it's Elements reaching maturity and blossoming like a flower/fungus, or if it was due to something within the tek-war. We don't know the 'why' currently.

[stable gate]

What causes it to corrupt is unknown yes, i do agree. Could be just one of its traits, not sure.

[bold dove]

The-One-Who-Waits, within her Extinction notes states that "It's only theories of why Element enters its flaming crimson state" (or whatever analogy she uses, not full 1:1 recreation.)
And that "It could be multiple factors, like it being its maturity, or an outside force that caused it to become the state it's in."

[bold dove]

Which is what brings us back to the point of this whole convo.
'We don't know what causes Element to go rogue. And in turn, we can't really decide of Element deserves to be eradicated from the universe or not.'
With Genesis-2, if they actually take environmental storytelling into account. Then we've seen more examples of Element being in a calm, more helpful state. Then it's angry corrupted state.
As the evidence I provide, with all of the Extinction creatures becoming adapted to their environments thanks to the help of Element. (yet it doesn't kill/or Corrupts them)
Or the fact that the Astro-Delphis, a literal alien species, purely lives off of Element.

[bronze turtle]

It’s natural state is to corrupt just like anything in our real world elements have different properties and have variants it happens element has the tendency to corrupt things and becomes safe when refined

[bold dove]

And I'd agree, if there's any evidence within the notes to state this.
Thing is, this is just your own headcanon.
Unless you can find evidence within the notes other then 'that's the point of the story.' Then this appears to be more headcanon, then official canon.
Cause with my current rememberence from the top of my head with the lore. We only have theories, not facts of what causes Element to go into its Corruption state.

[bronze turtle]

How is it a head canon when every single thing in game in notes all state that element is the cause and that is just how it is. I think you need to spend some time reading the notes again. And going through interviews with the creator of the story. In the lore community it is a accepted fact that element is just corruptive in its pure form and the refined element is a safer for of element

[bold dove]

May I ask for a list then of all the evidence, if you know the lore?

Including what Marc Soskin/Peter Fries has stated.

[stiff loom]

Or something like element was “perfect,” and humanity’s sin (like weaponizing element) was what caused the corruption, similar to when Adam’s sin brought death

^

[bronze turtle]

Once again most damning is the extinction intro and a hlna tidbit that states element is dangerous and survivors should stay away from it. Everything in the notes tell us element is corruptive. I’ve never seen people deny the literal story of the game. Element is just naturally corruptive the same way certain element in our own world are naturally radioactive we don’t claim there is some outside factor causing it. That is just how the element is

[glad crow]

There are dangers associated with element, but the massive devestation we see is the result of irresponsible use by humans. Santiago says it could have been used safely, but that the huge Tek war was the main factor in Earth's downfall.

[bronze turtle]

It is still caused by element… element was able to get a hold on the planet because of humans using tek weapons but that doesn’t change the fact that element wants to go around destroying planets

The war kickstarted the corruption but the planet is a waste land because of the corruption itself destroying the planet

If anything this should disprove element wanting to be good since they also mentioned that normal tek over time can also cause this

[glad crow]

I never said element was good, merely that it can be used for good. As for wanting to destroy planets, to me it looks like it's just multiplying like every other organism tries to do. It's not evil, just a force of nature, albeit one with a degree of intelligence.

The destruction of earth was as much humanity's fault as it was element's.

[bold dove]

Thing is, if Wildcard is going towards what they're hinting at with Element being created by a greater being/species. Depending on the 'how' they made it, it could in theory be reversed engineered to only benefit humanity.
Currently Corruption is a destructive, yet useful in its immature state substance.
But depending on where Wildcard takes the direction of the story, and if they explain further on how Element/Corruption works. New possibilities are on the table.
If Element is a biomechanical virus, or even a form of nanobots imitating organic matter (which would explain the 'why' of Element being able to turn into any matter) then in theory, with enough knowledge, research, and trial and error. Element could be reversed engineered. And humanity could make their own offshoot of Element as a weapon against this other species that originally created Element.
While it wouldn't be Christian mythology. But it'd still be within ARK's biblical themes if a human, a person as smart or smarter then Santiago, where to make this offshoot of Element to give the rest of humanity a weapon to fight against this species.
They'd be akin to Prometheus from Greek mythology.

[dawn geyser]

That’s just not true they never mention ever or hint towards element being some Devine creation by a god it’s just a natural element in the universe

[lament raft]

it is hinted that raw element has a sort of corrupting hivemind

[bold dove]

Never said it's a literal creation of a god. Just that it was created. And the creators could be seen as a biblical figure, akin to how Homo-Deus's are perceived as god-like. (even though once you get to know them, their existence is hell and they have basically no meaningful powers.)
Which 'is' hinted at in Gen2, and even RedGear in the same lore discord we're both are on agrees that this is one of the likely roughts ARK's lore could take. Due to the comical similarities with the tek-war/Element and Command & Conquer.

[dawn geyser]

And it’s been knows for years that element is a sentient hive mind. That only cares about corrupting planets

[stiff loom]

I think it’s more like just surviving. A bird might think that humans are corrupting the environment when we cut down a tree, but humans cut down the tree just to live. In the same way element is just surviving in the only way it knows how.

[glad crow]

I agree. Projecting human emotions onto things is understandable, but there's no basis to apply them to other creatures as far removed from human as element.

[lyric tendon]

well if you really make it biblical

Lucifer is based on Prometheus
fits well as in Genesis, the verse as he gives the "fruit' of forbidden knowledge to humans

and that "forbidden knowledge" is letting us clones make weaponized element (which is what Tek is)

[rain dock]

Um, similar stories does not mean based on lol

The Hebrew term for lucifer was mentioned by Isaiah in like 750bc, first mention of prometheus is like 650 bc. If anything, prometheus is based on lucifer lol

[lament raft]

all myths borrow from previous ones

the ballad of gilgamesh is one of the oldest

[rain dock]

If there is a chronological and geological connection surr

But similarity does not mean shared origin

[lament raft]

not inherently, but it means its possible

[rain dock]

It was also possible that the sun was powered by nuclear fission, until the actual analysis happened

[chrome trail]

why does aberration have a border if there is no border in the lore but extinction has no border, so its possible. also why can we breath on the surface if its exposed to space

[midnight void]

and why is the island border square

when the arks are circular

why do rockwell tentacles breed dimorphodon eggs

why are aberrant megalania not on aberration

why did the ure and the terrans have a war

[lament raft]

because thats how the map was made

[midnight void]

but extinction doesnt have a border

so why isnt aberration like that

[lament raft]

it technically does

the kill line

[midnight void]

well you just die

you dont hit a physical border

also seriously whats with the dimorphodon eggs

[lament raft]

maybe they just didnt have the idea before extinction

[fallow sapphire]

Cause aberration’s shield isn’t gone, just broken. The tek tribe’s meddling destroyed the skybox of the barrier, which also allowed the solar radiation to seep in. However the shield is still there, cause otherwise we wouldn’t be able to breathe up on the surface

[rain dock]

It's all a matter of chronology. They didn't have the death border when they made ab, they made it after ab was complete

[fallow sapphire]

I mean like I mentioned, a death barrier wouldn’t make sense. A half functional shield makes sense for the environment, especially as we can breath on the ARK

[rain dock]

Yeah, it doesn't make sense, but it's the code they had when they made ab

Respawning on ext also doesn't make sense

[lament raft]

its like asking why there werent any brutes in halo 1. they just hadnt been added yet

[midnight void]

how can we breathe on the surface is another question

[fallow sapphire]

that's literally the explanation I just gave. The shield is there, just broken. The barrier that kept the radiation out is gone, but by the fact we can breathe (as the surface would be no different from the caves on that), clearly there is still a shield there protecting us somewhat

[outer latch]

[bold dove]

If I recall right, Earth has multiple atmosphere layers.
The barrier acts as all of them, and while not confirmed. I can imagine each of the three pillars are projecting the barrier.
Just so happened the pillar that blew up was the one that helped with the ozone layer.

[tired osprey]

Case #42643 @sharp abyss has been muted for 2 hours.
Reason: Mass Tagging

[dawn geyser]

Yes earth has multiple atmosphere layers

[rain dock]

Except we can also breath in space in gen2

[fallow sapphire]

Where you are also meant to have a federation suit

If i remember correctly they also wanted to make breathing a problem for gen 1 lunar, but just didnt

[bold dove]

That would've been interesting to have it where you needed to survive off of oxygen pockets.
Possibly even make a structure akin to the forcefield that produces oxygen in an AOE to allow for bases in the lunar.

[fallow sapphire]

I would look to see if my statement is true, but that would be looking back a lot of years of crunches to find it

[rain dock]

I don't recall that tbh

[neon ermine]

Honestly that one makes the most sense bc it’s still a simulation with glitches (and lazy devs)

[lyric tendon]

Gen 2 is a ship, there is still a barrier when you decided to fall down the space biome

[real vale]

You legit start off in a space suit don't get me wrong you can take it off (lazy devs) but yeah the thought was there

[lyric tendon]

"Lazy devs" when they put all this effort to try to do something different from the usual "get an army to the obelisk to defeat each boss"

Don't get me wrong, those missions are new idea but It's more of a "meh" in execution given most missions are not lore significant (i mean c'mon they recreate StarFox in ARK)

[bold dove]

Missions would've been more interesting if they actually felt like I was fighting Rockwell in gorilla warfare, instead of absurd minigames being Rockwell's only weakness.

[low briar]

^
I'd like to see the mental gymnastics to get retaking a space-age hydroponics facility from a canoe race

[bold dove]

I'd make more sense if that mission was due to Rockwell rapidly destroying or gassing the rooms behind us, forcing us on a hoversail to outpace it.
Makes sense in a logical point, cause Rockwell is directly trying to kill us and we would use any form of faster transportation to outpace whatever is trying to kill us.
Slap on a timer/score system souly for gameplay purposes, and you have a "race" that makes sense in the context of the story.

Hunt missions, instead of hunting animals for a random reason. Could be us hunting Rockwell-infected versions of them.
Clearing out the area we're doing the mission in to decontaminate the environment from his infection.
By replacing the missions Shadowmane with a Shadowmane with warts on it, and replacing the HLN-A lines to be talking about how "we're hunting down this specific creature so it can't infect the Eden Ring" makes a bit more sense in the context of Gen2's plot. And actually engages the player within the story by defending the Eden Ring from being infected.

[rain dock]

But, fun feature. Let's fit it to lore. Is the route taken, not the other way around

[lament raft]

i think its more a graphical representation of our hacking/restoring the system that human minds can easily interact with

[rain dock]

As an actual (sort of) hacker, that is a fun idea. But not done right

[bold dove]

Taken for people who half ass their stories.
Anyone that does good storytelling develops their project with both story and gameplay simultaneously.

[rain dock]

Well. Ark is not amazing at story to gameplay transitions

[bold dove]

Correct.
But that's no excuse for them not to try better.
So hopefully they'll improve the Gen2 missions.

[lament raft]

wouldnt mind a gen 1 redesign

would be better if there was like a central hub with each biome being a separate 'game world' with tunnels inbetween or something

[bold dove]

Be interesting if they had the ocean as the central hub, and all the four maps as extra extensions.

[lament raft]

thats what i thought theyd do before gen 1 launched

make use of those proto-ark assets from extinction

[fallow sapphire]

Gen 1 i feel works in its current setting, maybe a little modification. Gen 2 really needs a makeover on how everything works

[bold dove]

Feel like if Gen2 gets a major TLC, so does Gen1.
It'll feel off otherwise.

[fallow sapphire]

Well mission wise gen 1 doesn’t need to much of an update outside of optimizing them, as the missions fit the simulation well

[bold dove]

The rewards need to actually be worth it.

[lament raft]

gen 1 would work better without having to teleport between biomes

[fallow sapphire]

Depends, but generally I agree

[fallow sapphire]

And 100% agree, frustrates the heck outta me

[lament raft]

you mean you dont want two primitive crossbows, some stone walls, a compass, five waterskins, and a bp for a phiomia saddle?

just no pleasing some people

[fallow sapphire]

Thats gen 2 loot, and honestly I’d take that over the crap I get from gen 1

Theres like 5 missions that are worth doing for the loot, all the others give basically crap that is ungrindable

[lament raft]

i did so little of gen 1 idk what loot they give

[fallow sapphire]

The random loot pool is mostly useless saddles and weapons, with only certain missions having worthwhile items in their lootpool

The worst ones are the titanosaur saddles, cause you get multiple and they all weigh 200

[lament raft]

lol

alpha mission? have a basic manta saddle

[fallow sapphire]

Yeah, it’s stupid

And all the really helpful but not op items are locked behind some of the harder missions, and pump-shotty’s aren’t even in the loot pool anywhere

[lament raft]

the alpha missions are clearly meant for a whole group, because screw anyone playing solo apparently

[fallow sapphire]

laughs in has no friends

[lament raft]

ditto

lol

[neon ermine]

Gen 1 just needs like a neutral zone, because I wish I didn’t have to base in an extreme environment

[lament raft]

there are islands in the ocean biome that are nice for a base

plus the ocean platforms

[neon ermine]

Yeah those work but it’s not a huge amount of just natural space.

[lament raft]

yeah

you have to look around for semi safe areas to build

[neon ermine]

Yeah

[fallow sapphire]

Bog would be fine if there was some deterrent for the swarm

Like seriously, torches are the most effective weapon agains’t em’, so make standing torches ward them off or something

[neon ermine]

Yeah it’s fairly neutral and there’s prob like a way to mess with INI and change the swarm spawns

[lament raft]

change to 0. instant improvement to the map

[fallow sapphire]

100% agree

If they were an environmental thing that didn’t affect the game at all, I’d be fine with them, cause swarms in a swamp make sense… but they made the buggers as annoying as possible

[junior cradle]

hello, i am looking to completing a full playthrough of ark in a lore accurate way, i would like to know in what order should i complete the maps in (i have all official maps as far as i know) and maybe add some additional tips if needed, thank you!

[barren maple]

Island, scorched, abberation, extinction, genesis p1, and genesis p2

[fair grove]

i still play ase🇼

[heady marsh]

ase got more mods so ig it still kinda is fun to play sometimes

[rain dock]

It has more maps too

[dawn geyser]

Only complaint with ase is it is basically unplayable on console unlike asa

[bleak plover]

@heady marsh

[fierce mirage]

Mamooth are favorite thing swarms aggro to, and they cant be harmed by swarm. When i had base in bog i just placed few mammoths arround and didnt worry about swarms never again.

[edgy reef]

Okay stupid question. I’m watching ark the animated series and umm from what I gather the ark was where people went when they died….like a weird reincarnation kinda deal. Correct??

[rigid grove]

TAS and game lore are different. The show does not follow the game lore

[edgy reef]

Ah okay I was told by a friend that TAS explained the game lore.

What’s the lord behind the game then??

Lore

[rigid grove]

The lore for the game is pinned here

[edgy reef]

I gotta find the pin lol

[bright narwhal]

i just finished the 6 episodes very good

[rigid grove]

#lore-nerdz message

[edgy reef]

Thanks

[edgy reef]

Yeah it’s really good lol I’m hooked

[rigid grove]

Probably better in #ark-animated-series since lore and show aren't the same

[rigid grove]

@worldly zinc @ebon nova check the pins in #general

[ebon nova]

Thankyou!

[forest rose]

Same

[dawn geyser]

From what I gather some things are canon like bob and character back stories. But when it comes to the shows plot that is not canon to the games lore

[rigid grove]

Because it's not exact ingame lore. All of this is pinned in #ark-animated-series .

[dawn geyser]

Some aspects still effect in game lore at-least with the new notes being added

[sand hornet]

What new notes

[lament raft]

it's a mod they added which adds little notes from Bob

[lyric tendon]

Bob's notes really don't affect that much tbh

he is the same case as Mei in the first Island note

[dawn geyser]

Wait is it actually a mod ?

[lament raft]

yes

[small hull]

love this lore

[dawn geyser]

Gross

[rain dock]

It's always the ps players saying gross, it's a mod. Like it's literally your platform forcing thst

[dawn geyser]

Not true at all
Wildcard doesn’t want to do certification so they pump out cheaply made mods as “content”

[lament raft]

they can put out mods without having to go through certification from every platform

[rain dock]

Playstation cert is an absolute pain in the neck for any dev. Delaying every launch of every update just because of Playstation isn't good practice.

[lament raft]

why im not thrilled about crossplay

was better when we got every update a week or two before console

[dawn geyser]

Either way it doe help pc players act like they are better then everyone and tbh I rather wait then shitty mods being added at a mass rate

[lament raft]

after its certified they plan on adding them in base game without mods

[dawn geyser]

I hope so I know it’s like that with the new raptor but is dear Jane gonna be ?

[lament raft]

i dunno

[livid igloo]

C

[tacit briar]

Yo anyone help me ? I did all explorer noted yesterday, i 100% have every single one of them even the new one. But it still wont let me get the 10+ levels or show up on my implant . Anyone know how to fix ?

[rigid grove]

That's a bug, not lore. #bug-reports. Started happening yesterday after the new note was added.

[bold dove]

Believe they'd be a Type-1, as they had only Earth and possibly Mars. But didn't harness all of the energy from our star.

But if it wasn't for Corruption, they'd probably become a Type-2 in the 29th-31st century.

[rain dock]

Being that 2021 was a .73 in said scale, and humanity went extinct when earth did, they are at best slightly over 1

[lament raft]

type 2 is dyson sphere right?

[tired osprey]

Case #43100 @flint canyon has been muted for 2 hours.
Reason: Mass Tagging

[rain dock]

Not exactly, but that is one interpretation of it

Type two is just being capable of harvesting/using a star system level of energy

[dawn geyser]

Type 2 is solar system so yeah

[prime atlas]

Which note was this?

[lost wind]

what if they build a wall so nobody can wash ashore

and they just drown when they drift to the island

[rain dock]

Scorched Mei yin #4

[small hull]

they don’t drift there

[floral sedge]

Better yet

Place auto turrets everywhere

Imagine being hit by a car then waking up on a beach only to be filled with holes moments later

[lost wind]

they do in the show right?

[small hull]

show is different

[fallow sapphire]

It does realistically make sense for survivors to be washed ashore instead of just spawning on the beach

[lost wind]

i mean they’re spawning either way, just in a different place

[small hull]

I feel like if they were spawned in the water they would drown or get eaten before waking up on the beach

[prime atlas]

Santiago island #6 is better

[lost wind]

i never realized until now but i guess ark uses time travel

[bold dove]

When?

[lost wind]

well they have people from different time periods so

[bold dove]

Spoilers for a almost 10-year old plotline.
But they're not time traveled.

So far, there's been not time traveling in the ARK IP.

[lost wind]

then how are they in a different time period

[bold dove]

They're clones

With questionable real or fake memories.

(more implied to be fabricated)

[lost wind]

so they’re fake people?

[bold dove]

Correct.
Technically, OG humanity is full on extinct.
What lives on are either clones, or humans that've transcended to be made out of only energy.

[lost wind]

even helena?

[bold dove]

Which those transcended people aren't even homo-sapiens anymore.

[bold dove]

Especially Helena.
She's actually would technically be 'the' least human.
Not only is she a clone of a long dead Helena, but she also transcended to become a homo-deus.
So, she's not even human anymore.

[lost wind]

man i never knew any of this

[lost wind]

but her memories are fake too?

[bold dove]

Extinction/Aberration confirms all of this.

[lost wind]

ah i only played the island and only got carried through 1 boss

[bold dove]

Its been hinted that the memories of survivors are fabricated to an extent.
Though to what extreme I believe is still up for debate.
Everything Helena could've known could be wrong about the history of past-Helena.
Or, one or two details like Victoria never existing could be fabricated. But everything else is real.

[warped herald]

Wait I thought when they were cloned they got their orginal brains scanned

[bold dove]

They did.
But for some reason, the URE decided to alter the engramic neurons to change their memories.

[lost wind]

how do they scan their brains without time traveling?

[bold dove]

Personality/biologically they're 1:1 to their original selves.
Memories though are questionable.

[bold dove]

Space magic.

[lost wind]

that sounds a lot like time travel

[warped herald]

Oh that make sense now, so the ark can choose what's important part of their memories can stay or go

[bold dove]

Writers invented a new means for them to shoehorn that plotline in.
Basically, when someone dies in the ARK universe. They leave behind what's called the 'engramic matrix'
More or less, a scientific version of what we think souls are.
This energy that's left behind has everything that person was, and so when scanned and recreated. It recreated the person 1:1

[bold dove]

More or less.
They most likely did this to make waking up on the ARK's more believable to survivors.
Cause for someone that just had a heart attack in their sleep, it'd be really weird to go to sleep one moment, and wake up on an island.

[lost wind]

does everyone get cloned?

or some people

and what does it take to get cloned

[warped herald]

I think they chose random people, but some of them not so random too

[bold dove]

Everyone that has ever lived has been cloned.
This technically means 'not so good people' have been cloned.

[lost wind]

ohh so is there a lot of “the island”s?

to fit them all?

[bold dove]

Yeah, there's multiple ARK's that look just like The Island.

[lost wind]

is there a million

[bold dove]

More of a few thousand, then millions.

[warped herald]

I mean they're thousands of ark orbiting earth so some of them will look the same, or they look scorched earth, or like the non-canon maps

[lost wind]

and those fit every human ever?

[bold dove]

When people drop like flies in a environment with animals much stronger than any human at any time has ever encountered.
Yes.

[warped herald]

Yes and no, cause before the respawns happened, if they died on an ark they died died

[bold dove]

Non-Canon maps are exactly that, non-canon.
They don't exist in the canon.

[lost wind]

also are the dinosaurs there clones too?

[lost wind]

so like the cloning happens in randomly picked waves?

[bold dove]

In TAS, they're hinted to be full on dinosaurs, yes.
Jurassic Park style where the inaccurate dinosaurs 'are' the scientifically accurate versions.
In the games canon though, they're biologically modified animals that resemble dinosaurs.

[warped herald]

Reengineered, some of them dont look like what they did irl, like the giga for instance, its extremely huge in game but irl it was close to the size of a rex

[lost wind]

so their brains aren’t cloned from the dinosaur times?

[bold dove]

Nope.

[warped herald]

Nah just re made creatures

[lost wind]

and also why do they only have dinosaurs?

[warped herald]

I mean the non-canon map could be real in the universe, just not to the main story part of the universe

[lost wind]

and not modern animals

[bold dove]

Firstly, that literally defeats the purpose of what canon means.
Secondly, Wildcard has outright stated they don't exist.

[warped herald]

They found out that prehistoric creatures were better then modern one

[lost wind]

true

[warped herald]

Cause what do good in a broodmother boss fight, rexes or modern lions?

[bold dove]

They're genetically modified animals anyway. They could've easily genetically modified lions to become more lethal than a rex.

[lament raft]

starting with the genesis simulation, and carrying across the Arks, they're meant to find the right balance of creatures alongside humans that is sustainable and provide the strongest survivors/tames to fight the corruption on earth and the titans

whether somewhat modern like salmon, horses, wolves and hyenas (or their older cousins), to ancient creatures like dinosaurs and mammoths, or even imaginary creatures like wyverns

in the story the Arks were up in orbit for centuries, maybe even millenia, running cycle after cycle in an endless loop

also yeah fighting giant monsters you kinda need to go with prehistoric creatures. there aren't a lot of megafauna left in the world today

[fallow sapphire]

I’m just imagining fighting the King Titan with a pride of lions

[lament raft]

tickle its toes

[fluid needle]

there is a message when you defeat the overseer saying: Specimen: walker helena initian termiation date: 31 of december 2018 perpose of query? Total system control. how did she achive it

can someone please explain this?

[quaint marsh]

Where's this message?

[fluid needle]

at the end of the credits

[fluid needle]

the end of the credits after the overseer fight

[fluid needle]

?

[dawn geyser]

Didn’t know that but I would guess it’s just the ark system talking about her like when she died before waking on the ark and then trying to figure out how she got into the system

[halcyon prawn]

What’s the lore ark?

[bold dove]

Alien space virus killed everyone, and so cloned humans are on a space station.

[halcyon prawn]

Ight ty

[lament raft]

theres also dinosaurs

[low briar]

space station_s_

Otherwise, accurate

[thorn ore]

and a person with tentacles

[rigid grove]

@prisma peak Read the pinned messages in #general.

[neon ermine]

Maybe if you gave a bunch of seagulls rocket launchers and throw bread crumbs on him

[rain dock]

Not really lore, but read pins in general lol

[dawn stirrup]

Is John in the animated series the same as John Dahkeya?

[bold dove]

We honestly don't know.
Never been confirmed yet, and they have pretty different backstories.
We'll know I guess if Raia is ever seen, and she talks about her past lover.

[low briar]

Could be the Island's version of 'John', like how apparently Bob is on SE

[bold dove]

Unless each ARK has a different memory for each version of the same survivor, it can't be.
Thunder-Comes-Charging was full on Native American.
John Dahkeya was Native American in his race, but was an outlaw/criminal in the 19-hundreds.

[low briar]

🤷
Its pretty aparent the show is taking liberties and itsn't following the game's lore to a T

Having two characters named 'John' would just confuse casual fans - especially if they aren't longtime main characters

[bold dove]

They could go around this and everyone calls him by his surname.
Which would just be 'Dahkeya.'

[rain dock]

They showed Bob in the ending trailer. I don't think they are going to not talk about respawning

[low briar]

Respawning and having multiple clones of a particular person are two very defferent things

[rain dock]

Not really

Both require the ability to maintain clones and replicate them

[bold dove]

Differences in ARK is memories.
A normal clone wouldn't have memories of their previous experiences.
A respawned clone would have the ability to remember all past experiences. (more or less the only difference)

Also, if I recall right. ||The scene where Scorched Bob was asking Helena for water was a first person shot, as Helena was holding a GPS.
Bob had a clear line of sight of Helena, and still called her 'miss'.
So, pretty sure he wont remember her since 'this' Bob never met her before.||

[rain dock]

There is no fundamental difference though. The tech to preserve one stage also preserves the other

One is the original file the other is an updated version

No real difference.

[low briar]

The difference is one doesn't happen until Helena integrates into the system and enables it - thats why her backstory research was so pivotal to the success of the Arks and eventually bringing the player characters in who are able to beat the King Titan and Rockwell

[waxen salmon]

Can anyone tell me what exactly the titans are, like are they actually meant to be part of the obelisk challenges or were they like mutants

[white igloo]

We're Helena and Mei Yin lovers in Canon? Or is it just a series thing

[rigid grove]

Series, not canon ingame

That's part of why lorenerdz and animated series are separate channels

[low briar]

Wasn't it pretty heavily implied in the notes? - Not at first, but around Aberration/Extinction

[wet yew]

Pretty sure just element mutants

[waxen salmon]

If they are element mutants do you think it's possible for the surviver to make one

[floral sedge]

I don’t think so

Just corruption that manifested itself as titans

They are made of pure element if I recall correctly

[bold dove]

Creatures made from pure Element.

They're the physical embodiment of the Corruption.

[dawn geyser]

Well king titan is…it is mentioned that the forest titan started as a small plant

[bold dove]

"Others were always shadows, cast by the violet poison itself. They were born within it, and rose from its depths. For the truth is, it's more than just a poison. It's alive."
"More than that, they are its avatars, made of its very essence. They carry pieces of the poison's collective consciousness, and they spread its influence. Destroying them would wound the poison itself."
"It is the eldest of the trio, having started from a tiny weed, but grows ever taller as it assimilates the groves of its verdant realm. Even if its body is chopped to bits, it will eventually regrow. So long as there is the forest, there will always be a lord."
The way last and the previous notes are written makes it more sound like they are literal embodiments of Corruption.
The Forest Titan just grew like any other creatures. Technically the King Titan would as well, as the Corruption as only gotten stronger after humanity's extinction.

[dawn geyser]

True… I just always took it as they started as normal things but became these sort a new bodies that has been added onto by element… as they appear now as sort of physical embodiment of element

[bronze turtle]

Hi guys!

[bronze turtle]

I'm curious about the voice in the clip on the Overseer ArkWiki website. Is it conveying a message of some sort?

and when does the clip play within the game?

[lament raft]

during the boss fight

[bronze turtle]

mei yin wasnt cheating when she tamed a rock drake she was jsut using an immersive taming mod

[ashen vapor]

That's funny

[floral sedge]

So is Bobs tales canon to the animated series, the game, or is it its own little universe?

[lyric tendon]

It's confirmed by Diana that Mei do cheat

"Her body is made of cheat codes"(?)

[hollow nymph]

anyone know where new note is?

just put spoilers around it

[drowsy lotus]

I think the animated series might be Semi-Canon, so I'm pretty sure the new notes are canon to the game

[lyric tendon]

Dollie confirmed that they are not

that is also the reason why #ark-animated-series is separated to #lore-nerdz

BUT with the Bob's tales mod, they tried to shoe in the Vin Diesel "Santiago" in the note canon.. i am concerned that the retconning of the Note Santiago for the boring Vin Diesel one

[haughty python]

Weird question. Why is there only an overseer on The Islands Ark??

[drowsy lotus]

Every ark has them apparently, pretty sure Rockwell became one for aberration

[dawn geyser]

Devs were to lazy to add in overseer on scorched even though a tek cave and manticore overseer form are in the files 🫤

I’m gonna say it… I hate how the animated series is being merged into the game canon
They keep using the animated series character designs and every new note try’s to make the show sound like canon
And even if it’s just to promote the show I can see it confusing new players

Things like Rockwell being younger then he actually was and all of that I think it has gone to far

[bold dove]

Yeah, fuck that.
They stated it's non-canon. It'll stay non-canon.

And if they try to make it canon, then this is when the lore community should start pushing back on them.

[dawn geyser]

100% we need to do something if it continues to get worse

[rain dock]

Tbf, it is their game. They can change lore if they want

[bold dove]

It's also 'our' product. We can complain and be unwilling to give them money if we want.

It's called a 'mutual relationship' for a reason.

[lament raft]

they said the animated series isnt canon to the game

the notes and skins are just fun easter eggs

like when Halo started adding Red vs Blue easter eggs into their games

[fast sluice]

I recently got ASA. Between dumping thousands of hours into ASE and not knowing a damn thing about the story I watched a 3 hour video explaining all of it. So I'm SO stoked to start over and find the notes knowing what's going on.

[lament raft]

neddythenoodle has a great video series on the notes

[dawn geyser]

The thing is things like the bobs tall tales are canon to the game even in game now they are using the animated series depictions of the characters

[lament raft]

idk if theyre canon really

[rigid grove]

Skins don't mean they're canon, just promoting the series

[haughty python]

Love them

[lament raft]

its a great series

[haughty python]

Helped me understand the lore

And the movie versions

[dawn geyser]

No but like I said the new dlc is considered canon they have said themselves it gives lore for ark 2

[lament raft]

where?

[dawn geyser]

On one of the creators twitter said that it’s not adding asa lore but lore for ark 2

[bold dove]

Well, what I take out of that personally is that they're akin to The One Who Waits notes.
Their existence aren't canon. But the information they give, are canon.
The ARK-2 story are being relyed by a joke character, Bob.
But what's actually canon is the very minor details we get of ARK-2's general plot.
Which all it is so far, is Meeka hates her father for....some reason. (they're really gonna add family drama with Vin-Diesel.....)

[dawn geyser]

Yeah I get what you mean

Even though I still don’t agree with your opinion on the one who waits notes

[bold dove]

Well, my counter argument to their existence is them not making sense.
If I recall right in the lore, it took Helena just recently to spoon feed every Overseer the idea of respawning, to not give away red alarms and for them to proceed to see the code as a threat.
If she had to do this very careful process with just data, I kind of doubt she would be able to scoop feed them code to tell them to "Hey bozo, make these funny little terminals out in the middle of random places and waste our finite resources on them".
Feel like multitasking both of these would've been enough for the Overseers to detect something was up.

Helena has no physical powers anymore, and relys on the Overseers to do basically everything for her until respawning is perfected and we come along, if I recall.

I can see them being visions during us sleeping, of course. Akin to the intro's/outro's.
But the actual physical terminals kind of don't line up with the timeline of events I believe.

[lament raft]

i dont think any of the notes being there would be canon

some of them detail whats happening inside of the overseer platform and why would they take the time to write journals at that point

and nerva's last 2 notes take place inside the overseer platform and are found on the island itself

[dawn geyser]

Note locations have never been canon

[dawn geyser]

Yeah I’m not saying locations are canon just the notes are

[lament raft]

based on a few i dont think theyd be canon

[bold dove]

Right, the information they give off. Correct?
Like how they're the notes that explain we can respawn canonically?

[lament raft]

especially the ones that take place at the overseer arena

but also helena writes some while shes a prisoner

[dawn geyser]

Yeah I’m just saying the note contents are canon just not locations

[dawn geyser]

She says they let her keep her belongings

[lament raft]

still, nerva takes the time to write stuff down after losing everything in the overseer arena?

[bold dove]

So we are in agreement.
That's what I was saying aswell, just in a different way.
When I say 'the terminals aren't canon' I specifically mean the terminals.
But of course the information gained from those terminals are important.

[lament raft]

mei yin takes the time to write out her feelings between KOing helena and hunting down nerva?

[dawn geyser]

So this argument since the beginning has been pointless lmao I thought you were saying what was in them was not canon

[bold dove]

Yeah, we've been agreeing with each other points without understanding each others points. 🫠

[dawn geyser]

Breh … lmao

[gaunt lion]

Where do the tek dinosaurs come from?

[bold dove]

Earth

[round river]

They will cm with ext

[surreal canopy]

Why were the tek dinos made?

[floral sedge]

I think it was just an optional thing they made after making real dinosaurs

Neddy has an in game lore explanation on his shorts page

[mental basin]

Nah, they were like the droids.

As someone who wrote a lot of the Shorts for Ned. ^^

The best explanation we have is that they were just like the Defense Units and Droids, etc. Except they dinos. That's all.

[floral sedge]

The real question is why can they breed, grow from babies, and eat real food 🤨

Poop too

[mental basin]

Game mechanic.

Game mechanics don't always play into the story.

If they didn't breed, or defecate, etc, they'd be useless as tames.

And the whole point of a tame is to be useful, sooo lol

[bold dove]

Like, I don't see it being impossible in the ARK universe.

Survivors are fabricated with implants, a inorganic object, within the ARK's.
And from what we saw in the notes, they're grown in a form of tube. So unless some other machinery adds the implant onto them, then the pod itself formed the implant on them. (makes me think that the implants grow with the survivors even more, due to ARK-2's trailer showing implants are physically fused onto their skeletons.)

So a robotic creature mimicking breeding wouldn't be too much of a stretch to imagine.

[floral sedge]

Don’t say that to Rock Elementals 😢

[bold dove]

Or the titans

[low briar]

Man really likes to flaunt this 😂

[mental basin]

Unfortunately the only way to prove I'm credible.

Otherwise people like to argue with me over stuff they know nothing about :trol:

I am here but to teach the masses (ARK lore is a mental sickness)

[low briar]

Ok Rockwell 😂

[mental basin]

[astral helm]

Is there any lore behind the tek dinos?

[tame lotus]

Mabye overseer idk

[lyric tendon]

nope, it's there to promote Ext i recall

there is nothing in the notes about the Tek Varients, they dont even have a dossier for them unlike the Corrupteds

[red shadow]

[lyric tendon]

welcome to Lore Nerds

[red shadow]

Thanks for the welcome

[dawn geyser]

Didn’t we already explain tek Dino’s lmao

[lyric tendon]

fan theory, head canons, etc

[dawn geyser]

Just saying feels like we explain it every day

[lyric tendon]

in reality, they don't have explanation.. unless it's gonna be explained in the new Story DLC

[dawn geyser]

Well yeah I’m just saying someone asks the same question every day lmao

[keen holly]

i just watched a 2 hour long video explaining the lore of ark

i didn’t even know it existed 💀

[bold dove]

The fact they didn't add a proper tek-cave to Scorched doesn't give me any hope that they'll rework the missions in Gen-2.

[outer scaffold]

You alr get manticore lvls no point

[fallow sapphire]

It’s not about levels, it’s about the principle

[bold dove]

As idontsk8 said, the levels aren't the issue.

[lament raft]

the big desert arena shows they had something like that in mind

[astral helm]

So Wyverns and Reapers are both punishments for their arks inhabitants, I wonder what the island would have gotten had the survivors misbehaved.

[frigid bough]

What if they were sent to carno island lol

[astral helm]

Carmo island aint nearly as bad as the swamp or deep ocean if im being honest

I feel like the island would have some kind of beach ambush predator as a punishment

[bold dove]

Probably giga's.

[dawn stirrup]

What are the survivors using to write? I don’t think plastic ink pens are something they have on the island

[fallow sapphire]

Feathers/sticks and black dye, or squid ink could technically be a thing as well

[lament raft]

the apex creatures, Gigas, Wyverns, and Reapers, were created by the Arks to keep the island's survivors in check

like a giga being spawned because the New Legion was taking over, the Wyverns spawned when Nosti was growing too complacent, and the Reapers when the Tek Tribe were probing the secrets of the Ark itself

[calm shore]

Scorched Earths tek cave was destroyed / buried in lore, wouldn't make sense for it to be back in ASA

[fallow sapphire]

Hell you on about, Helena and Rockwell literally went to the Tek Cave to leave Scorched

[bold dove]

The fuck cracked pirated version of ARK are you playing where 'that's' the lore?

[hazy tide]

Reminder what were smartest creatures in the arks besides humans lore wise

?

[quaint marsh]

uuh

according to Jurassic Park lore those would be raptors

but I'd say pegos

those things know what to take

[low briar]

Pretty sure Troodons?

[dawn geyser]

Trio dons are the smartest Dino in real life I would assume it’s would be troodons in game

[floral sedge]

Mantis

I think Helena mentioned that they would have human like conversations

Would make and use their own tools

[bold dove]

More or less, yeah.
They where tactically on par to even the best of humanities tactics.
Those fuckers destroyed one of Nosti's (I believe) water pipes on purpose to draw them out on an ambush.

[lament raft]

not making their own tools but making use of them when found

[shy tree]

I got a question: in the SE ascension we were originally sent to another ark and then "glitched" into aberration. Is it explained why that happened like was it Helena deus or maybe even rockwell?

[jaunty mauve]

I assume it was rockwell pulling you in. I can't tell you the source right now, but if i recall correctly he pulled survivors in for some reason to feed in his power. 😵‍💫

[shy tree]

Oh ok thx

But can survivors even spawn naturally on aberration since on obelisk is destroyed and the others are turned off

[floral sedge]

Yeah the graduate students did

“Far out! This place is kinda like that dream I had.

So it went like this: I ride some tram thing to like, the biggest, weirdest zoo in the universe, right? Only instead of normal animals, there's dinosaurs! Totally cool...until they all escape just like in every horror movie ever made. Duh! Anyway, Dream-Me hops into a truck with some ripped, badass dudes, and we just start driving around, shooting dinosaurs and stuff. I felt like a legit action hero!

So I guess this place isn't exactly the same. There's dinosaurs, but I don't have guns or a truck. Also I'm completely alone...

But it's still just a dream, right? I mean, obviously! I don't even know why I'm writing this down, it's all in my head. All I need to do is walk off that cliff, and I'll wake up right before I hit the ground. „
~ Skye

[storm topaz]

gigas on every map but abb

[bold dove]

Wyverns on Extinction.
Means shit

[storm topaz]

those are corrupted

why would gigas be the punishment

[bold dove]

They still none the less spawn on the map.
To be corrupted, means they had to have the none-infected versions.
Giga's being the punishment on The Island also lines up with everything else.
Reaper Queens and Giga's are onpar with strength, and wyverns and much weaker physically, but have powerful abilities.
If I recall right, Mei-Yin encountered the Demon King around the same time the New Legion where gaining power on their ARK.

Corrupted Reapers spawn on Extinction as well.
There's also corrupted Giga's.
Them being on 'every map' doesn't matter, when the creatures data is within the System.

[stiff loom]

Both Helena and Rockwell would have had reasons to pull you into aberration, Helena because it is the only way to get to earth and kill the king titan, Rockwell because, well, who knows? I’m guessing Helena, but it’s weird how Rockwell does his evil laugh at the end of the scorched earth ascension, so it could have been him too.

[dawn geyser]

It honestly makes more sense for it to be Rockwell with the hints of purple glitches during ascension (element corruption) and also rockwell laughing once you hit the ground at moch 10

[shy tree]

Doesn't he feel like everything that's happening on the ark? He could have laughed because Helena/ a survivor tried agian

[bold dove]

It was 100% Rockwell.

He even admits to it during his Aberration fight.

"Oh, how she begged and pleaded for me to beam you to the surface."

[shy tree]

Oh well that makes it clear. Thanks

[fallow sapphire]

If you listen to that dialogue more he actually says “Oh, how she begged me to beat you to the surface, so I could scare the monsters out of her poisoned glum”. She asked him to go down and kill the titans, not to let us down

Would be kinda counterintuitive, her telling us we need to kill him while begging him to send us down without harming him

[tired mantle]

Something nobody talks about; survivors, and our regeneration factor. Do we lose teeth? If we do, do they grow back? Is it like a baby teeth -> adult teeth -> no more teeth deal, or do we just infinitely regrow teeth? Or do they come back on respawn?

[lyric tendon]

there is nothing explained in the notes

[small hull]

survivors are like sharks they just have like 5 different sets of teeth

[bold dove]

Helena wanted to beat us!?!?

[rain dock]

Um, no. All of the arks have the ability to beam someone to earth. Going to ab was not Helenas idea

[fallow sapphire]

The ARK’s don’t have that ability anymore, as now the bar to send someone to earth is to high, so the only way down is through Aberration

[rain dock]

I mean, with Helena doing it though

[fallow sapphire]

Doing what? Preventing the ark’s from sending survivors, or allowing Aberration to send survivors?

[rain dock]

Helena had nothing to do with going to ab lol

[floral sedge]

I think Helena might of done it

[fallow sapphire]

Honestly i can see either way, that Helena caused it cause she knew it was the only path, or Rockwell wanted to toy with us. I feel their is evidence to point in either direction, with no confirmation at all

[rain dock]

She probably tried to have Rockwell override the high threshold, and that might have been how he got ahold of the Genesis ship too

[fallow sapphire]

I kinda doubt she did, but I could accept that. However how is that relevant?

Clearly he didn’t change it, meaning the only way to get to earth was through Aberration

[stiff loom]

My theory is that Helena brought the survivor to aberration to defeat Rockwell and ascend, as there wasn’t any other way to get to earth anymore.

[storm topaz]

I'd argue to say that the punishments on each map cannot be tamed either. Gigas can be tamed. If we are to believed that gigas are the punishment why can't raptors or rexes be?

[bold dove]

Yet....they can be tamed?
Wyverns can be tamed via eggs, and Reapers can be tamed via imitating their species pheromones.
If they weren't meant to be tamed. Then they wouldn't be.
Deathworms both mechanically and canonically cannot be tamed.
It's the same with the Nameless.

[lament raft]

deathworms are like the island's ocean, meant to be a barrier to keep survivors from wandering to the edge

[bold dove]

Correct.
The ARK purposely made them untamable, cause they're a force of nature.
If wyverns weren't meant to be tamed. They wouldn't be able to lay eggs in the wild.
Just as titanboa's can't reproduce, and requires the ARK to put new ones onto the station to keep the population active.

[lament raft]

gigas wyverns and reapers are tameable but are meant to be spawned in if the survivors are getting too complacent or one tribe is getting too big

[rain dock]

Death worms perform the role of leeds canonically. Anyone trying to leave gets stopped

[storm topaz]

they can't be tamed through traditional means. think about it. Survivors only had the ability to "tame" such creatures by taking their children. They were never meant to be tamed. All wyvern breaths affect you and reapers poison also affects the character iirc. The story is about how so many things made to affect them and humans just conquered each one. Gigas wouldn't be apart as a punishment but more likely a challenge

butlike all other dinos on the island, nothing more than

also you didn'tanswer what I said before. Why would the rexes and leedsithys not be considered punishments

[lament raft]

in the lore the rex is a common spawn

there was only ever 1 giga mentioned ever existing

and as was said earlier the leeds was meant to act as a barrier

to keep people from rafting out to the edge of the shield

[bold dove]

Cause they've always existed.
The Giga if I recall was never mentioned before Mei found it, which was around the same time the New Legion was gaining mass power.

[floral sedge]

So according to Mei Yin the giga just has really bad rage issues

Taking an entire day to calm down?

I mean Id be frustrated too If I got arkd pretty badly

[lament raft]

its a lore observation that shows the giga's rage mechanic in game

[dawn geyser]

Can be… Rockwell even states the arks were trying to find a server that would fix earth

[quaint marsh]

Personally, I don't believe the Island Ark ever tried to up the stakes for the New Legion, as they were doing what they were supposed to do. They kept proving their worth, and were never in a progression limbo like the citizens of Nosti. Hence, I don't believe the giga was a punishment, there was never any punishment enacted upon them

[bold dove]

The ARK's main goal is to preserve life.
Though, this is via a database instead of individual life.
Nosti wasn't punished cause it was stagnant.
It was punished cause it grow 'too' large. And the ARK's have finite resources.
So, if this city is consuming more resources then the ARK can replace. Then the city, and the people, must go.

The ARK giveth.
And the ARK taketh.

[quaint marsh]

Huh. My impression from the notes was that Nosti was punished because they all got too comfortable, and stopped moving towards the Arks goal of having the best humans available to take on Earth

Will have to read the Scorched notes again

Tbh though, the lore is quite empty in many places so, a true explanation may not exist

[bold dove]

That's what it's implied, but we have to remember. Marc confirmed in his Reddit Q&A that Wildcard liked to use earlier drafts of his notes before he could finish them.
The One Who Wait notes confirm the ARK's main goal is to preserve life in the most robotic and obtuse way.
So, who knows honestly.

But taking the later on lore into account, yeah. Nosti seemed to had been punished more for it's existence impeding on the resources of the ARK. And so the Overseer took the resources back.

[quaint marsh]

Weell, it kinda ruined a large portion of the map

But at least there were less pesky humans to feed

[bold dove]

Those fucking PvE'ers taking up a quarter of the map.

Overseer is pro PvP confirmed.

Jk

[dawn geyser]

That’s what note imply… and that’s why nasti was destroyed not because they got to big

[quaint marsh]

Peaceful squatters, get em out of here! Us Overseers need entertainment

[primal scroll]

do we know if helena knew about genesis ship ? and did she do anything there im curious i just got into the lore it insane

[dawn geyser]

She found arat prime and learned about it there

And yes the lore is insane

[inland zinc]

🤓

[dawn geyser]

What you implying by that 🤨

[floral sedge]

Those who don’t follow the lore are nerdy

[small hull]

yes obviously

[inland zinc]

Nerds 🤓

[inland zinc]

No ppl who know a lot about the lore are 🤓

[floral sedge]

Perchance, one may assume that you have been misled in your understanding of the situation at hand.

[quaint marsh]

What if everyone's nerdy

[inland zinc]

Idk

[lyric tendon]

you are nerdy by extension of being here

[inland zinc]

So

What you gonna do 💀

Womp Womp wanna 🍪

[tired mantle]

why are the survivors [at least, where ASE is involved] so goddamned jacked?

[lyric tendon]

It's by design

[quaint marsh]

They gotta punch down trees y'know

[proper edge]

Gotta knock parasaurs out by brute force alone too

[floral sedge]

Muscles allow you to stress your body without breaking anything

[lyric tendon]

if you watch every survival show, you will lose fat the longer you stay because it's not abundant enough

[floral sedge]

Well we got potatoes, meat, eggs, etc.

Whose to say that there isn’t an McDonalds in one of the arks

Then again that’d be one weird burger being composed of multiple types meat

Possibly containing players as well

[hot galleon]

So I wonder where the canonicity of bobs tall tales is, in my personal opinion I believe these are made up stories he’s telling however I do think that he is a canon character to Ark specifically Ark 2

[lyric tendon]

more like connecting TAS to ARK 2 than ARK 1 to ARK 2

[hot galleon]

Maybe but I feel like as a character can still exist in the game universe without breaking the lore because either his stories are fake or he’s just a side character in the story who doesn’t effect anything in the main plot

[dawn geyser]

I believe bobs tall tales and the animated series are both completely made up by bob meaning he is not a very good source to follow basically it follows the basic “canon” shell and with a ton of made up non canon shit in it

[rain dock]

I haven't actually read all of bobs tall tales yet. Doesn't it just say no was alongside everyone else?

[dawn geyser]

It claims that bob was with Helena and Rockwell and the other note characters

Despite going to aberration with Rockwell being the overseer already… himself being one of those who try again… and travelling the arks centuries after the note characters are dead

Basically he is making shit up to tell the sort of “mythos” around the arks to the ark 2 kid

[floral sedge]

Bobs a glitch in the system that’s my bet

And the inspiration for helenas respawning mechanic

[dawn geyser]

Probably

[low briar]

Actually a great headcanon

[dawn stirrup]

Is Carch canon?

[lyric tendon]

no, any dino vote creatures is the same group as non-story ARK creatures

[dawn stirrup]

I wish I could disable Carch spawns on console…

[lavish badge]

Hmm

[real trail]

If the ARK name is a reference to Noah's ark who is Noah (not the biblical) ?🤔

[lament raft]

it'd be which faction built the Arks

i forget which

the other faction built the Genesis ship

[floral sedge]

Maybe

Noah’s ark was built to preserve life Im pretty sure

And well the arks are made to preserve life

[lament raft]

yeah the ark myth was an ark was built to house animals and people through a disaster, like the Arks in the game

[fallow sapphire]

The URE

[fallow sapphire]

And yes, ARK has a lot if biblical references in it. The ARK’s similarity in name and purpose is one of these. The answer to the question you asked would be the faction I named above, the creators of the ARK’s

[proper edge]

How much information are stored in the ARKS?
With humanity being wiped out on Earth; I would assume a majority of human knowledge exists safely in some kind of archive?

[tired mantle]

I imagine there are archives on the genesis ship.. which is now mostly glass in the middle of space, which is why I imagine ARK II ended up with more of a primitive appeal, the equivalent of the Library of Alexandria getting burned down, only thousands of years into the future.

[fallow sapphire]

If any information was archived within the ARK’s, it would be in the Hall Of History, and branching hallways from it. The problem is few people would be able to read it, only people like the tek tribe who could read tekxt. However, there were databases on Extinction, which house much of the knowledge stored

[lament raft]

given what the arks are capable of, likely they have records of everything

they can literally rearrange matter to create animals and resources

[rain dock]

Get a smart person and a large amount of the text and you could write an interpreter for it

[hoary cave]

you know what i think the "Suprise" will be a extinction dlc cause you guys remeber the arks falling to earth? and getting a rockwell x extinction teaser? i'd like to see a dlc where we explore different landed arks on extinction opinion?

refering to the road map there is a "surprise" a month after extinction release

[wise tiger]

I had the simikar idea but for different ark

When you ascend from scorched earth we go to different ark but we are pulled into the abberation

So what if the surpise is like "what if we didnt get pulled to abberation"

[fallow sapphire]

A map like that would be cool, but it wouldn’t work as a canon map

[lyric tendon]

If they reuse ATLAS' grid map system
(basically each grid is a server but the whole map is a cluster thus no world barrier of death, just cross the barrier to jump to other grids/servers),

this will make more sense than just "make map bigger"

[low briar]

Always thought it was a neat concept, but zoning into a new area just to be ambushed by threats you can't outrun and lose your boat immediately sucked

[lyric tendon]

I dunno if it's old SOTF, modded SOTF, or ASA's SOTF but i recall you have a minute or more of temporary immunity once you landed, that would mitigate the possible ambush

[bold dove]

Or just good optimization that wont freeze your game when transfering to a new zone.

[rain dock]

I mean with the world partition system there is no reason (other than filesize) to not include much larger maps. It doesnt have the same grid limitations

[lyric tendon]

you need a map far bigger, like more than Gen 2 or CI can achieve the same feeling of exploration in ATLAS and that is without wilds constantly hunting you down for no reason

[rain dock]

I mean, you can do that with ue5. You can make maps the size of a small country before it breaks

[lyric tendon]

yeah but that defeats the purpose of letting people play your game

the system requirement is already a big barrier of entry to begin with

[rain dock]

Um, the way it works any system that runs ue5 can do maps that big

[thorn ore]

"tekxt" omg i love it lmao

[flint gulch]

A map that size would be it's own game, but I'd pay every penny I have for it

[quaint marsh]

A game called Last Oasis did the same, and it was good fun. Keep in mind that you could leave the same way you came, so if you got attacked on the other side it was possible to escape into the void

[lyric tendon]

I know their Hexgrid system, i kinda dont like it tho, it felt like a mobile game to me with "you have to pick a grid" after you cross out the area

Anyways, no lore topic for today

[cursive nexus]

Hey guys! Any good video to understand the Ark´s lore? I need it to introduce my nephew to Ark.

[lament raft]

watch through NeddyTheNoodle's explorer note series

[proper edge]

Did Rockwell need to kill off the entirety/majority of the Burning Phoenix Tribe to escape?
He did escape from that tribe which worshipped the Obelisks without killing anyone.

[lyric tendon]

they left the Burning Phoenix one ambiguous

but for the Prophet's Rest, he just KO'd the Guards

[lament raft]

i mean, if he didn't, they'd have come after him once he took the stuff

[lofty scaffold]

I was thinking we would finally explore the dark side of the planet in the next expansion

[floral sedge]

Is there anywhere in the lore where knocking out things to tame them is being mentioned? Like beating a raptor to sleep with a club or something

[low briar]

I know it's mentioned that the creatures had been genetically altered to be more receptive of domestication - but the specific process is vague outside of some Dossiers which are questionably canon

[floral sedge]

Yeah they’ve been genetically modified to know to obey someone to their deaths after being beaten unconscious then fed a small snack

[low briar]

Don't overthink game mechanics

Or you'll start questioning why a simulated canoe race is supposed to be us aiding the fight to reclaim a massive spaceship

[fallow sapphire]

If i remember correctly Mei actually mentions it when she first tames a raptor

Yeah, Island Mei note #6: The villagers had made taming beasts sound simple, but my first attempt was nearly my last. My prey was the same kind of two legged lizard as the raider's steed, what the villagers called a "raptor", but this one was strong. Even as my toxin laced arrows knocked him out, he was able to make one final lunge for my arm. He nearly took it.

Carefully, I fed him scraps of meat as he rested, and when he finally woke, I kept my weapon trained on him. Only when I was sure that he was docile did I notice his appearance - all black, save his white shins and feet. Right then, I named him Wuzhui, and while I do not believe in fate, I felt that this beast would carry me home.

[marble timber]

I just want to mention here the Trodoon explorer note states that the trodoon is a herbivore, the same note also says that humans are its favourite prey. Therefore we can conclude that either humans are made out of plants (which can easy be debunked by harvesting a body) or that humans who wrote the notes always weared ghillie suits.

[marble timber]

Don't forget to train your dodo basketball skills

[small hull]

that seems like a bug because in the text itself it says carnivore

[marble timber]

Also on the textbox on the bottom right?

[small hull]

I know

[drowsy ibex]

I have looked around but I can't find the exact amount of time that the world official didn't have people on it to the day the original survivors (Helen and them) were on the ark, up until the time the Player shows up on the arks. Anyone see this informaiton anywhere?

[lyric tendon]

Huh?

I think you confused gameplay with lore

The ARKs already has people in it, we, the players, helena and the other authors are all clones

The timeline of the notes are in the past

[low briar]

I think he means the timeframe from when Earth was abandoned for the Arks/Genesis, until Helena and co, and then again the jump to player characters

[quaint marsh]

Mei Yin does it all the time I think, at least her rockdrake was very clearly tamed with tranqs. Clubs though, I don't think so

[vale frost]

Anyone know how big lore accurate king titan is bc I know he's like 4000feet but that's roughly

[floral sedge]

4000 feet? That’s way off lmao

[vale frost]

Nah I'm pretty sure lore accurate is around there

Based off his dossier

[vale frost]

He's significantly larger than in game

Ingame he's like 2.5 ice titans maybe only 2
Lore he's like 12

Maybe only 3.5k

[floral sedge]

His lore height is unknown I’m pretty sure

[vale frost]

Based off his dossier

I counted him in ice titans lol

[topaz bolt]

Mei compared him to mountains when first seeing him in one of her notes.

[real trail]

The ingame is 155 m tall 255 m long. The lore is 6-8 times bigger

[vale frost]

Ye

[candid radish]

What did the do to the moon on extinction?

[bold dove]

Never is explained.

The moon is blown up because of 'reasons'.

AKA, a developer added it cause it looked cool without consulting with the writer.

[glad oak]

understandable tbh

[bronze arch]

yo guys so in ark 2 we are gonna live on another planet not the the one that the arks landed on

[bold dove]

Correct, it'll be Arat instead of Earth.

[lament raft]

yep. Ark 2 will pick up from where Genesis 2 left off, with human survivors on an earth-like planet

[floral sedge]

I hope we’ll see the Genesis 2 survivor. Like maybe there’s a quest or something that requires you to find where it is. And just asks you what you remember what the genesis survivor then you find the survivor

Or maybe it scans for ark save data on gen 2

[fallow sapphire]

Well, saying Bob persists as a character in Ark 2, he may be the representation of our character from Ark 1

[bold dove]

He's 100% just a non-canon character that's suppose to be a fun way of telling the lore Bob's Tall Tales gives off.
They've flat out stated TAS isn't suppose to be canon. And as it stands, outside of the name, Bob is purely an TAS original character.

Our survivor never interacted with Santiago. Which contradicts what Bob states in his Tall Tale intros that they knew each other.

[bold dove]

As for this. I personally don't want to see this.
The Survivor is suppose to be 'our' character. A self insert of whoever/whatever you want.
They're akin to the Courier from Fallout: New Vegas.
Outside of the fact that the Courier is a canonical character. Who they are and how they behaved is all up to the player.

[fallow sapphire]

I would agree he was purely a TAS character until they decided to insert him into Ark 2 via Bob’s tall tales

I would much prefer him not to be, and have very little mention of our character outside of maybe myth, but it’s a possibility they may take

[bold dove]

Man, I unironically hope ARK 2 gets canceled.
I can't see any longterm positives with the game.

[dawn cove]

So on the obelisk there is that weird tek language that you can find on ext, the overseer arena. And some of rockwells notes.

Anyone knows what it says.

Also off topic but doesn't the tek rifle have a official name? Last I heard I think it was gen 2 or ext it was called the fohammer

[bold dove]

Tek Texts say different things per grid you see them.
The ones on the Obelisks say 'Sentinel 1-3' different on which of the three Obelisks you go to.

[dawn cove]

Interesting. And I found what the tek rifle is called

"AR-234: Titanhammer"

[bold dove]

Also, yeah. The Tek Rifle has different models, depending on which map notes you're going off of.

In Genesis, I do believe it's the Titanhammer as you stated.
But on Aberration, it's like the AR-Stinger'something'

[dawn cove]

A.P.R (Assault Pulse Rifle) 75 Stingrey". Is the UIR's according to the wiki.

I want too see that. Maybe like a phaser rifle. That would be baller

[bold dove]

URE you mean?

[dawn cove]

Yeah I got gears of war mixed up lol 😆

[bold dove]

I think the APR is what we get in-game. And the AR-234 has yet to be shown in-game.

Though, we get a lot of Terran Federation tek in the game. And basically no URE tek we can craft.
Which is the biggo depresso.

[dawn cove]

I always thought the stuff from the island through ext was URE and stuff from gen 1/2 was Terran.

From what we saw in ase. URE/arks have a bio organic look. While terrain looks more sleek and futuristic.

Same with the tek saddles and robots, enforcers look alive and life like. While striders look much more machine like.

[bold dove]

That's probably what Wildcard also thinks.
But then they counteract their own worldbuilding, with establishing everywhere else that URE technology is biomechanical, while the Federation is very industrial/mechanical.
Which....all tek equipment we use in-game are industrial/mechanical.
None of it is biomechanical.

[dawn cove]

I say that cuz now on ASA, the obs, the hall of history and the other parts look almost life like.
The plants really give me that vibe

With the vines, the glowing plant lights, at least in turns of buildings.

I really like the differences. The Trans humanist have a natural organic look. While the humanist are more.... well man-made

[bold dove]

Yeah, that's biomechanical.
When either an organic biological matter imitates mechanical bits. Or mechanical bits imitate biological matter.
Everything in Scorn is biomechanical.
The Xenomorphs are biomechanical, as they have exposed veins that wrap around their whole bodies, which makes them almost look like tubes/pipes.
But every craftable tek item we have are very mechanical looking. Like, if I where to tear these apart, I'd get screws and gears instead of a metal shaped as an organ, or tendrils.

'organic biological' that's a bit counter initiative to say.....

[dawn cove]

True true.

I just hope ASA fleshes it out more. I would love to have skins for the bio mechanics look. For buildings are armor or even that cut building set in gen 2 that's flesh like

[bold dove]

I really doubt that.
If what we craft is still suppose to be URE tek. Then they've already failed at this.

[dawn cove]

A man can dream or even custom cosmetics.... Sadly nitradio is soggy about that :(

[bold dove]

What does Nitrado have to do with in-game cosmetics?

[floral sedge]

Tekxt is interesting

[dawn cove]

They don't load for whatever reason or at least my server doesn't

[bold dove]

That's odd.
I believe on most official servers ,they work fine.

[dawn geyser]

The main tek in game is ure and the genesis tek is mostly federation… and on what you said about it being more organic the ARKs are the only thing that are more biological kind of sanctuary is more sharp edges just like the tek gear and that is a URE city

[bold dove]

The ARK's.
The Obelisks.
Defense units.
Attack drones.
Overseers crust between the front metallic panels.
Enforcers.
If I recall right, the entire motivation of the URE was to ascend past the limits of the human body, and to erase the bridge between mechanical and biological.
But my point is, almost everything about the environmental aspects (outside of Sanctuary, which I can't recall who actually made it) for the URE indicates their artstyle being biomechanical.
All of their structures, and creatures.
So, it's just a bit odd to me personally that our tek tools, which are suppose to be URE-based, look more pure mechanical than biomechanical.

Though, it could also be more of a technological differences.
We never make tek onpar to what the URE where capable of. We make more shotty work stuff.
As engrams would require someone elses memories. The tek we make pre Genesis could be more of a prototype version of the URE tek.
As Diana knew the Obelisks where made out of tek, but didn't know who made it.
Most likely cause in her time. The URE tek and FED tek where pretty similar, just FED tek was more smooth and practical, and the URE tek was more bulky with a shit ton of parts.

[dawn geyser]

So… the gear in game it matches the buildings which probably came before the ARKs they probably made all these “biomechanical” looking things after the tek war since
Either way that’s what I think I don’t feel like arguing rn sorry

[bold dove]

Ye, see above from the new message.

[dawn geyser]

Yeah I can agree on that basically ure tek changed after the war to this more… i don’t want to call it biomechanical because it’s not biological it’s still metal it’s just I guess a different architecture 🤷‍♂️

[bold dove]

Well, biomechanics have a different take in fiction versus the IRL definition. So it can be metallic still.
All biomechanical means is organic and inorganic matter converging to make one thing.
So, that can either mean organic stuff imitating mechanical bits. (Scorn)
Or mechanical bits imitating organic stuff. (Enforcers)
As well to consider, that the ARK's use a living organism to construct itself.
And (while it's most likely a metaphor) Rockwell did state the interior parts of the ARK/Hall of History seemed alive.

Wait, why did I put Xenomorphs in the second example?

[dawn geyser]

Xenomorphs would be more organic imitating machines they are living

[bold dove]

They'd be in the first example of being organic

[dawn geyser]

Lmao

[bold dove]

Yeah, brainfart moment.

[dawn geyser]

Yeah I get what you are saying

[bold dove]

Enforcers would be a better example of the second part.

[dawn geyser]

That last part of your message especially with the ARK being “alive”

[bold dove]

Yeah.
And the fact the ARK's can still function via basic programs without an Overseer adds onto that 'alive' feeling.

[solemn linden]

It's worth noting that the DLC is called "Bob's Tall Tales", as in events that are either completely or partially untrue or exaggerated. Bob describes a "sparkly lady" telling him that he has to save everyone, which sounds an awful lot like the opening cutscene we get of homo deus Helena. The rest of his notes seem to be a mix of things the player is likely to do during gameplay and stuff that happens in the notes which Bob shouldn't be there for. My guess is that the tall tale part of it is Bob embellishing his own story by splicing it with events he read about in the explorer notes. Whether or not this Bob is intended to be an actual representation of the player character or is a separate character intended to reference common things that players do (like animated series Bob) is unclear.

[bold dove]

I....understood all of this.

[solemn linden]

I'm just saying that the fact that our survivor never interacted with Santiago doesn't necessarily contradict Bob saying he knew Santiago (if Bob is intended to represent the player character), as the DLC's title makes it clear that he isn't exactly a reliable narrator.

[solemn linden]

Yeah. I dislike the idea of the player character from ARK 1 being given a set appearance and personality, but it definitely seems to be a possibility with the Tall Tale notes.

[fallow sapphire]

Indeed, and especially with the fictitious tales he makes up. Like our survivor went through hell and back, and yet it’s being summed up in silly stories not nearly as epic as our true battles

[bold dove]

Weeeelp, all for the hope that ARK 2 gets canceled.

[bold dove]

Yeah, if it does become canon. It'd feel really disingenuous towards players that actually worked their asses off to beat every map.

I want to hear about the stories of players, and how they saved Earth.
Not fucking Wildcard taking **our ** spotlight.

[fallow sapphire]

Exactly

[solemn linden]

Personally I'm still excited for ARK 2, but I do hope that Bob doesn't appear in it (at least not as a representation of the player character). The Bob's Tall Tales notes are fine as goofy little way of showing us what Meeka thinks of Santiago and how she might know about the events in the first game that Santiago wasn't there for, but when a game has a customizable player character its better not to set a canon appearance of personality for them.

[bold dove]

I don't know man.
The way ARK-2 has been described. I don't see it lasting as long as ARK-1 did in the longterm

The game is being fundamentally made for primitive style it seems like.
People will 100% enjoy it at first. But I have the feeling that after a few months of a lack of content, people would go back to ASA.
They'll than proceed to add QoL stuff that ASA has that ARK-2 didn't on launch, to try to bring back those players. But then it'll just be a jumbled weird mess with industrial, tek, and firearms, in a game that was meant to be played with primitive weapons, and was mostly melee focused combat.

If ASE was the only ARK game outside of ARK-2. Than I could see it possibly surviving longterm.
But they decided to remaster ASE and all the content from it in a newer engine, bringing new players that're expecting ARK-2 to be like ASA.
Then they'll release a primitive focused souls-like combat game without any of the stuff players associated ASA with, and just go back to ASA after a few months.

It'd be like if 343 released a Halo 3 Anniversary a year before Halo 7 came out.
Sure, Halo 7 may gain a good amount of players at first. But depending how different Halo 7 is from Halo 3. People will just go back to Halo 3.
Cause it's what they're used to.

[solemn linden]

From what Wildcard has said in the past it seems like they want ASA and ARK 2 to exist alongside each other, with ASA offering the classic ARK experience while ARK 2 offers something new. ARK 2 seems to be more story driven in design, so it might be best to think of it as a campaign mode to go along with ASA's sandbox (though ARK 2 of course will have its own sandbox as well). Sure, if its too different from the classic ARK experience, it is going to fail to capture the attention of some existing ARK players, but those differences may attract entirely new players.

I think it really depends on the actual quality of ARK 2. If it does things differently but does them well, then it has a good shot at being successful. If it does things differently but does them absolutely terribly, then obviously people are unlikely to want to play it.

[bold dove]

Same could be said in the Halo allegory.
We all know a Halo 7 would die if they rereleased Halo 3 not long before.

Also, I have never heard of a survival primitive game staying active with good player numbers without some form of twist to it.

Hell, even Sons of the Forest died pretty fast.
And even the full release didn't do shit with the player count.

[solemn linden]

I think the difference there is that Halo 3 already has a campaign mode. A Halo 3 remaster could release alongside a Halo 7 and yeah, players would flock to Halo 3 for nostalgia, but if Halo 7 actually somehow managed to have a better story for its campaign then it would have a pretty good shot. By the sounds of it, ARK 2's story is going to involve the player far more than ARK 1's story did so as long as its story is well written it should be able to compete with the first game on that front.

[solemn linden]

This is fair though. While the more in your face story will likely help ARK 2 stand out from ARK 1 and hopefully make it fun to play at least once for the story, I'm unsure if it's actual gameplay will be enough to keep players coming back once they've completed said story.

[bold dove]

Both would have a campaign mode?
That's a really odd comparasion. As the issue with newer Halo games is that they can't have either good gameplay, or a good story.
And unless ARK-2 is literally a Last of Us type of story game (which wouldn't work in an MMO-style game) than story ain't going to matter at all.
People are still surprised that ARK-1 even has a story.
Cause games like ARK are more important gameplay wise, than story wise.

[bold dove]

Arguably, it could also hinder it.
People already disliked the fuck out of both Genesis maps for doing the same thing.
ASA already has roughly a million player at its total peak. As we've seen from both platform numbers, and mod downloads that're in the 2.3 million downloads.
If those players aren't satisfied with ARK-2 and go back to ASA. Doesn't matter how much new players you get, you've fucked up at making a sequel.

And if the gameplay is shit, or so alien compared to ASA. Influncers like Syntac will probably point this out.
And that adds even more fuel to that fire.

[solemn linden]

What I mean is that in my experience the recent Halo games have had far more of an issue with having a quality story than having fun gameplay. Their campaigns aren't as memorable as something like Halo 3. Releasing a new Halo game alongside a Halo 3 remaster would mean the two have to compete both gameplay and story wise and regardless of how good the gameplay is, if the new campaign sucks, the game is going to have difficulty competing with Halo 3. As you said, most of ARK's playerbase still seem surprised that it even has a story so it's safe to say the story isn't the thing attracting people to ARK 1, but by the sounds of it, ARK 2's story will be far more in your face and be communicated through actual gameplay rather than just finding notes, so it's not exactly having to do much to compete with ARK 1 on that front.

[solemn linden]

From what I've seen it seems like the Genesis maps are mostly disliked by PVP players who don't care about the story at all and hate how Gen 2 made it too easy to get TEK. I'm also pretty sure that PVP players are a bit of a vocal minority amongst the ARK community. If ARK 2 manages to catch the attention of ARK 1's PVE playerbase, then it likely wouldn't matter to Wildcard if the PVP players chose to stay on ASA.

[bold dove]

Feel like that's an unlikely scenario.

[solemn linden]

Yeah, they can get away with having the gameplay be different from ARK 1, as long as its still good.

[bold dove]

The Issue I'm stating, is that people may think ARK-1's gameplay is just content is richer.
I'd much rather play a game with rich content, than good gameplay.
It's why people play ARK.
If people wanted good gameplay, they'd play literally anything else.

[solemn linden]

Fair. I'd argue that that would be an issue at first regardless of how ARK 2 turns out, simply because ARK 1 has had so much content added to it over the years. I'd also argue that I think ARK has better gameplay than most other games that center around taming creatures. Even if ARK 2's on foot gameplay is limited to bows and spears or whatever, the main draw of ARK is the creatures, so how varied ARK 2's gameplay is will depend quite a bit on how many interesting creatures with unique abilities are in the game.

[quaint marsh]

Tbf, Ark's gameplay isn't terrible. It's addictive and fun, hence the reason we play. Although, it very much taps into the quantity over quality side of things

[near palm]

The ARK's.
The Obelisks.
Defense units.
Attack drones.
Overseers crust between the front metallic panels.
Enforcers.
If I recall right, the entire motivation of the URE was to ascend past the limits of the human body, and to erase the bridge between mechanical and biological.
But my point is, almost everything about the environmental aspects (outside of Sanctuary, which I can't recall who actually made it) for the URE indicates their artstyle being biomechanical.
All of their structures, and creatures.
So, it's just a bit odd to me personally that our tek tools, which are suppose to be URE-based, look more pure mechanical than biomechanical.
Though, it could also be more of a technological differences.
We never make tek onpar to what the URE where capable of. We make more shotty work stuff.
As engrams would require someone elses memories. The tek we make pre Genesis could be more of a prototype version of the URE tek.
As Diana knew the Obelisks where made out of tek, but didn't know who made it.
Most likely cause in her time. The URE tek and FED tek where pretty similar, just FED tek was more smooth and practical, and the URE tek was more bulky with a shit ton of parts.

[floral sedge]

Didn’t she mention “off-brand tek armor”

I was gonna say something

But I lost that train of thought 💀

[bold dove]

They're just copying and pasting an earlier chat

[tired osprey]

Case #44687 @bronze turtle has been muted for 2 hours.
Reason: Mass Tagging

[hoary cave]

i was hoping the same thing

[gaunt apex]

This would be great because isn't that how they got to the genesis ship? Could take us to arat which would lead well into ark 2

[lofty scaffold]

Yes Exactly!!!

[bold dove]

I have a feeling the DLC will have something more to do with Bob then an Arat Prime DLC. Due to the internal name for one of the map selections.
BobsMissions_M or something like that.

[fallow sapphire]

It’s definitely possible, but it seems way to early for their new story dlc to already be in production

[bold dove]

Maybe, but if I recall right. Bob's Tall Tells was never mentioned before it's one off crunch.
When ASA was revealed, they only mentioned 'one' new DLC.

And obviously due to delays. Priorities have changed at some point recently.

[lament raft]

i imagine at least some basic planning has been in the works

[fallow sapphire]

Like i said, entirely possible

It would certainly be odd to have a map dedicated to it, seeing as it’s just Bob retelling his adventures through ARK’s story, but it’s certainly possible

[tired osprey]

Case #44729 @tropic cape has been muted for 2 hours.
Reason: Mass Tagging

[tired osprey]

Case #44733 @stuck zealot has been muted for 2 hours.
Reason: Mass Tagging

[lofty scaffold]

Idk I'm pretty sure it will be arat prime to completely finish the story think bobs missions is something else because it is a Canon story map

[bronze turtle]

We are talking years about arat prime now, I just hope it’s not a myth 🙏🏻

[sick canyon]

[jolly ravine]

Arat prime? Does that name imply the whole system has multiple similiar planets?

Or perhaps habitable moons the other arks may have also crashed on?

[bold dove]

Arat Prime is the name of the launch site for the Genesis ship.

Arat is a single planet that ARK-2 is set on.

[jolly ravine]

Ah, gotcha.

[cursive flame]

yo hear me out what if santiago in ark 2 lostt all of his memory about making weopons

because his mind got changed multiple times

you because he died multiple times

[bold dove]

Kind of would go against his reasoning of 'not' wanting to bring back Tek.

[cursive flame]

your right

like honestly after what hes been through i think not

[bold dove]

It'd be like if Oppenheimer forgor to make the first nuclear weapon.
He'd eventually would rebuild one.
Versus if he saw the devastation of a dead Earth from the result of his creation, would be a motivator for him to 'not' make nuclear weapons.

[cursive flame]

and also i forgot if he remembers but he was a big reason why the war on earth started because of his element created weapons

[bold dove]

Well, he wasn't.
The war already was a thing when he was born, if I recall.
He just fueled the fire by inventing even more devastating ways to kill each other. (like you stated)

[cursive flame]

i remember in the story it was stated that he made like a element powered rpg

[bold dove]

If what Homo-Deus Helena on Extinction is still true, and they didn't retcon it. The reasoning is most likely due to a resource war.
Element seems to be able to self replicate itself and spread. But militaristic groups could've been consuming it faster then it could regrow. Causing a resource war.

[cursive flame]

in extinction i noticed like when the alpha king titan gets spawned it is made out of pure element and maybe other things so i have a theory that the king titan was the asteroid that landed onto earth

but its probaly wrong

[bold dove]

It's been confirmed what it is.

[cursive flame]

0h

nvm

[bold dove]

Yes, Element itself (the resource) came from a meteor.
But the King Titan is the physical embodiment of Corruption. I.E Element.
Basically, when we fight the King Titan, what we're fighting 'IS' the entire Element hivemind.

[cursive flame]

oh so i am kinda correct

[bold dove]

Which is why it's important to kill the King Titan.
It's the physical hands of a non-physical hivemind.
You cut off the hands, and it'll be disabled for a amount of time.
Enough time to wipe out the rest of Element on Earth.

[cursive flame]

in aberration i am suprised you dont die of space conditions because there is nor barrier

[bold dove]

There's still the thermosphere (if I'm getting the right one)
The barrier exists, but the means to block out the suns radiation is now destroyed.

[cursive flame]

ohhhhhhh

i thought i was destroyed after the tek tribe tinkered with it on accident

[bold dove]

They....didn't tinker it.
They nuked the Overseer.

[cursive flame]

oh even worse

[bold dove]

Which is why you see that one of the ARK's pillars are shattered and destroyed.
The same one the Overseer's arena is on.

[cursive flame]

now i understand

my brain is braining thank you

[bold dove]

[cursive flame]

🤫 🧏‍♂️

[floral sedge]

It’s like a physical manifestation of death sort of ish

So we have the grim reaper but he isn’t death itself

Just a physical manifestation of it

[bold dove]

No....it isn't

[clear wigeon]

this is BoB thats all i know about ark lore, dont judge me

[stiff loom]

So I don’t completely understand why the overseers tried to destroy the people of Scorched Earth. Can someone explain please?

[lofty scaffold]

Cus they wernt doing what the ark was ment for

[bold dove]

Tl;dr: they where both building too large and being too complacent, so the Overseer destroyed Nosti to put back the 'survival' in 'Survival Evolved'. And as well consuming too much of the ARK's limited resources.

[stiff loom]

Alright, thanks. I figured that it had something to do being too laid back or something.

[floral sedge]

They didn’t keep evolving

[thorn ore]

or they evolved too much, depends on how you put it

[floral sedge]

The arks were locked in an infinite cycle (except aberration) because the corruption got stronger everyday making the bar to descend to earth higher making it almost impossible. the scorched earth overseer saw them not advancing enough, so the overseer kept sending threats eventually to the point where nosti sank. The people on the island had no problems (that we know of) because they advanced quickly (defeating the guardians however weren’t strong enough to descend thus getting sent to another ark)

I don’t really know

[thorn ore]

yeah what i meant is that they evolved to a point where they didnt need to anymore

[floral sedge]

Ohh

[fallow sapphire]

They managed to survival evolve, but didn’t survival ascend

[floral sedge]

real

[thorn ore]

imagine lmao

[bronze turtle]

Is there a reasonal explanation for why this new Oasis thing is flying? Because i think its a bit wierd xD

[lament raft]

its not a canon dino

[bronze turtle]

Not? How is decided what dinos are canon and which not?

[lament raft]

any vote dino isnt canon

they were added after the story was written

[bronze turtle]

Sorry for some spelling mistakes, its not my nativ language:)

So no new dinos are canon?

[lament raft]

nope

same with the dinos that only appear on non-story maps

[bronze turtle]

What if a dino is from a non canon map get introduced to a canon map? Like Gen 2?

[lament raft]

carch, rhynio, and g-raptor got added to island but arent canon

[bronze turtle]

Okay

[lament raft]

same with faso and oasisaur on se

like griffins and ice wyverns got added for ragnarok but never appear on story maps

[bronze turtle]

Is there something new about the new dlc that is coming next year?

[lament raft]

which dlc

[real trail]

And with the shastasaur(center) and dreadnoughtus(extinction)

[quaint marsh]

This kinda doesn't matter though, as it's not like the story mentions all creatures, and beyond Aberration creatures are hardly an integral part of the story

[strange hedge]

[west kernel]

I believe they are canon as they have a dossier and are original of a canon map

But anyway, i wouldn't bother that much "what dinos are canon" and which are not.

Canon is what the player lore is, you could think Ragnarok Crystal Valguero are canon for your survivor and "the canon maps" are canon because Helena/rockwell etc etc were there

[floral sedge]

I see what you mean but the community arks aren’t canon

It’s been mentioned I’m pretty sure

[bold dove]

That is **not **what canon means at all.

And like Switch has stated. Wildcard has multiple times now stated custom-maps are non-canon.

[west kernel]

I know that’s not what canon means

Im just saying believe what you want to believe it’s canon for yourself, in the end, it’s a game and your characters journey.

[bold dove]

Yet again, that's not what canon at all is.
Think the terminology you're thinking of is a 'headcanon'.

[west kernel]

Probably, I’m not native to English.

[bold dove]

And correct, there's going to be always a personalized storyline for every player.
But that doesn't make those actions canon or not.
Canon is whatever is officially established by the original authors, writers, or now a days, developers of their own works.

[west kernel]

But yeah, I know canon maps are only the maps which follows the line of ascension (think Arks where like a sort of challenge made to prepare the survivor to return to the earth and liberate from element)

[bold dove]

Their main purpose is just to preserve life.
It's more of a secondary goal to curate survivors to be able to fight back the Corruption on Earth.

[west kernel]

Ark lore gets crazy sometimes, I just know the story until Extintion.

I’ve never understood how we went from Extintion to Genesis 1 (I believe we are not the same character right?)

Like, Genesis ship is mentioned in the records, but think it was stated it left Earth thousands of years before we even liberated Earth from element

[bold dove]

Its been confirmed that it's up to the player to decide if their the same survivor or not.
But agreed. One of the biggest complaints storywise is the HUGE gap between Extinction and Genesis 1 that never is fully explained.
Tl;dr of it though: Rockwell crashed near Arat Prime, transfers his consciousness to the Genesis ship to rebuild a new body, and now Homo-Deus Helena is either waking up a new survivor or convinced the Extinction survivor to wiggle their ass to Arat Prime and go onto the ship as well.

[west kernel]

I think Rockwell did not get into the ship, but rather got into the ship as a virus due HomoDeus leaving a link open when HLNA got into the simulation.

[bold dove]

Bro, I'm stating what the fucking writer himself said.

[west kernel]

😂😂 Yeah then you are right, my knowledge of Ark was good about 3 years ago

Now is all rusty and just is vague thinks I remember

[bold dove]

At least you're not one of those people that thought Rockwell created the Nameless and Reapers.

[west kernel]

My aberration knowledge is also quite empty really, I just know something went wrong and little more.

I mean I KNOW Rockwells fall into insanity, but I don’t wanna keep saying things they are not like that.

What I do know really well is the New Legion, because as you may have guessed about my name (Quite literally the Average Roman Fan of Petanque) I like Roman stuff

So coming back to the lore of Ark.

Did our character reach Arat Prime? Kinda fear my character is still among space debris. 😂😂

[bold dove]

Arat Prime is the launch site for the Genesis ship, not the planet

The planet is just called 'Arat'

Also, we have no idea since ARK-2 has yet to be released.

[west kernel]

Maybe the ASA new maps and the “surprise” scheduled may throw some light.

[bold dove]

Doubt it.
Seems it might be Bob related.

[west kernel]

But I would assume myself those new maps will have something to do with Extintion after element is wiped or like showcasing the events before the arks created.

[bold dove]

You'd think.
But it seems more related to Bob.
Cause for a bit, there was a internal name for a new map on the server page for official servers called "BobsMissions_M"

[west kernel]

But what could Bob missions be? Bob been with Helena and her group the whole time.

[bold dove]

Probably something akin to Bob's Tall Tales.
Something dumb to throw at the wall.

I wish it was an Arat Prime DLC instead.
But Wildcard doesn't seem to actually take the story seriously.
They only have it as a means to an end for marketing.

[west kernel]

ASA should be its own game, not a way to finance Ark 2 really, I like the ASA way to be, for what I’ve heard of ARK 2 not so much….

[floral sedge]

I did for a while 💀

[bold dove]

ASA's entire existance is to finance ARK-2.

[floral sedge]

Bobs Taller Tales

[west kernel]

Souls combat, 3rd person, more primitive…. Yeah, I like the way ASA is, keep both games if you guys want, but I wouldn’t be dropping ASA.

[west kernel]

I know, that’s what I’ve said

[bold dove]

Also, we don't know where/when the DLC is going to take place.
For all we know from the name, it could be places in the middle of bum-fuck nowhere we've never heard of.

[bold dove]

"not a way to finance Ark 2 really"

[west kernel]

Yeah, “it’s own game” not a way to finance the other game.

[west kernel]

Said “I wish ASA was its own way, not a way to finance ARK II”, dunno if there’s a typo or something that makes it not say that, if that is the case I’m sorry xd

[west kernel]

What do you mean bout this btw?

[stiff loom]

Wait he didn’t?(jk). Also is there a good idea of how long the time gap between ext and gen1?

[west kernel]

I think it is not stated (don’t take me literally)

So you either think Genesis ship left Earth in the 22th century (a bit after the element wars) as part of a plan like the Arks

Or the ship leaves after Extintion

[stiff loom]

My theory is that the Genesis ship left maybe in the ballpark of 500-and above years after the discovery of element. I think that it took some time for people to discover element, learn about its capabilities, and finally make weapons and technology with them. After the tek war, they realized that they had fought to near extinction and that they need to preserve the human race, and not fight each other. One side built the Arks and the other side built the Genesis ship. All that couldn’t have taken place in one hundred years. Given the tek war lasted centuries. (Which they did)

[west kernel]

The problem is, the devs said you could say that the same survivor from The island that made its way to Earth and wiped element from it, can be the one in the ship if you want

So they imply that depending if you think the character from Genesis it’s the same from Extintion, then the Ship does not make any sense to leave before you ascend.

[stiff loom]

We could have uploaded our consciousness to the Genesis ship like Rockwell did at Arat Prime

If you decide that it is the same survivor

[west kernel]

But Rockwell is Rockwell 😂😂

I would imagine it would be more normal to think the ship have some kind of tek teleport

[stiff loom]

True true

[west kernel]

Worst of all? We won’t know anything about it never.

Think we just need to accept it just happened and that’s it.

But hey, in dying to know what happened after we defeated Rockwell Prime…..

[stiff loom]

I guess so…

[west kernel]

And we won’t know that until Ark II, because I won’t imagine WC wanting to add Arat both in Ark II and ASA

[stiff loom]

Well, there is a possibility that the new DLC that is coming to ASA is Arat Prime

[west kernel]

There were 2 maps confirmed i believe

There are a lot of things that can happen in those 2 maps really, Genesis were 2 maps and had so much into it.

Probably our survivor does not end in ARAT, but gets strayed into another planet

[bold dove]

Sorry, I'm back.
What I mean is kind of what I said.
Wildcard doesn't take their plots nor worldbuilding as serious as other studio do.
The plot of ARK is merely a means to market and create revenue from. As we've seen with TAS, and changing what Santiago canonically looks like in the notes to suit Vin Diesel.

[tender wasp]

The DLC could also solve new threats on Earth after the Arks landed, offering a timeline on Earth, which I would prefer.

[tender wasp]

sadly also an option.

[bold dove]

It could.
But seeing as how they really want to capitalize on Karl Urban with Bob. Seems more than likely it'll be more focused on Bob's personal story.

Honestly, when it comes to writing. I have no expectations really for anything ASA or ARK-2 related.
TAS admittedly made me salty with the unnecessary changes that added nothing for the plot. But at least it isn't canon, and a separate product.
Bob's Tall Tales though is always in your face when you buy it.
Every, fucking, time, you respawn.

[tender wasp]

Same. I have no expectations anymore when it comes to the story. It had potential but now starts to become a joke. When I saw the announcement of Bob's Tales, I feared it would become worse. TAS really killed the characters, and I think it will become worse with the next season. At least it is not canon.

[bold dove]

It isn't canon. But it doesn't bode well for any future canon DLC's for ASA or even ARK-2.

And they're never going to change, cause there's not enough demand to change it. Cause while more then ever people know about the fact ARK has lore. Very little people actually give a fuck about it.

[tender wasp]

Yes, sadly. They might take a lot of the TAS Story into Ark-2, at least to fit it more to the Vin Diesel representation of Santiago (at least I expect him to be some blunt VD Action hero in the animated.. not the misanthrope hacker anymore), and they might also incorporate Bob into Ark-2.

[tender wasp]

Yeah, for most the notes are only XP, nothing more.

[west kernel]

If I’m honest with yall, I believe ASA could had been a better ARK II than Ark II.

But it really makes me think how can they keep with the lore and not messing up what they wanna show in Ark II.

You cannot go further beyond in the timeline because that’s content for Ark II, you could probably go on a Star Wars way and show us the prequel of Ark (The legacy of the element wars or the element wars)

I mean, a map with the Earth starting to get deteriorated could be nice… The ascension is just the Ark launching into space….

Or they could explore Arat and beyond in a different way from Ark II.

I just like ASA (And ASE gameplay so much, I don’t want it to be replaced for Ark II)

[lofty scaffold]

Yeah prequel DLCs it is

[tender wasp]

You can, if you stick to earth. So you can have a timeline on Earth and one on Earth that never interferes with Contact ist loss. So Eart has its own Story, and Arat has its own story.

[west kernel]

Imagine there is a whole plot mixing Ark II and ASA where the survivors from Earth are able to contact the survivors of the Genesis ship in Arat

[tender wasp]

They can skip that if they want to avoid Lore's inconsistency, but why should they even care. They don't even do it right now. So they might not even care as long as the money flows.

[west kernel]

The jump from Extintion to Genesis is already inconsistent.

So I don’t see why the highly technological civilization in Earth won’t wonder about the ship that was supposed to left thousands of years ago

[rain dock]

I don't really see a reason why they would know about it tbf

[gaunt spear]

Is there any reference in game/lore as to what the units of weight are for inventory items?

[lofty scaffold]

Yeah idk asa DLCs gonna be prequels tbh

[small hull]

isn’t it kg

[lyric tendon]

Devs: "it's not canon"
Also Devs: shoes them in the Story ARKs anyways

[atomic harness]

Man I didn’t know this channel existed!

[fallow sapphire]

Welcome to what can be one of the most civilized channel in the discord, and the most disturbing channel in the discord

[lyric tendon]

The best part, you dont need to play/watch ARK for the insanity

[glad crow]

The overseer has about 200,000 health on alpha. Dodorex has about 650,000. Can the dodorex survive a nuclear bomb?

This question is undeniably stupid, but I think it is a funny thought.

[thorn ore]

what if hes in dragon form
then he has about a million health on alpha

[cloud knoll]

As far as I know there isn't a given amount of time from when the Arks and the genesis ship were created to when Helena's story happened to when we the player wake up on the Island. You also have to remember, the genesis ship have been traveling since the day it launched along with the arks. Which as I said before we don't know when that was.

[lofty scaffold]

I'd assume A few thousand years maybe? Give or take

No wonder them overseers went crazy

[cloud knoll]

Maybe, maybe not

[thorn ore]

a few thousand years give or take a few thousand years

[cloud knoll]

I'd say no more than 1000. Anything more than that would be a stretch

[dawn geyser]

They mention it’s a eon spanning story

I would assume that the arks have been in orbit for AT LEAST 1,000,000 years

[fallow sapphire]

Yeah ark’s timeline is very finicky. It’s seems reasonable that the ARK’s and the Genesis Ship have been in space for a thousand years to maybe a couple thousand, but the timeline between the Explorer Notes and our adventures has differing evidences. Some evidence suggest it’s been hundreds to thousands of years, but other things say it’s been a decade or two

[thorn ore]

a million years is crazy

[dawn geyser]

Makes sense considering the state of things

[thorn ore]

maybe the corruption on earth just spread quickly

[fallow sapphire]

I mean, eons could entail a number of timeframes depending on who you’re asking. Eon isn’t a specified number so we still don’t really know

[dawn geyser]

Things is everything is gone… most tek has decomposed
A eon is a specific amount of years

[fallow sapphire]

Tek on earth has decomposed, not tek on the ARK’s

Could be just cause earth tek is older, less refined, or corruption stuff, but it’s not really a teller of time

[thorn ore]

arent element structures classified as tek as well
so the lampposts and benches would still be tek

[cloud knoll]

I'm on the Official Ark wiki and here's what it says. "By the time Diana and Mei Yin arrived at the bunker on Extinction, the ARKs are on cycle 234659-F, indicating that the ARKs have been on orbit for far longer than 235,659 days or about 645-646 years."

[fallow sapphire]

The wiki is not a great source of lore info

A lot of assumptions are made, as specific time frames like you listed literally are never stated

[dawn geyser]

We still dont know exactly how long a cycle is it could be a day or a year we just don’t have many answers for a lot of things

[fallow sapphire]

Indeed

[cloud knoll]

It says that 1 cycle is 1 day

[dawn geyser]

Idk I just see things like “a century of tek warfare” and “eon spanning story” so I believe the ark story is a story over him time spans

[dawn geyser]

Wiki is not a good source again

[fallow sapphire]

The wiki says or a note says?

I wish we had a timeline for it all, would be super interesting. I think the main reason they have avoided it was to avoid any slight differences in timeline that aren’t what they are supposed to be

[dawn geyser]

Yeah it feels like they don’t even know how long it takes lmao

Man I remember when Terran was a mining corp

Like it’s always changing now

[fallow sapphire]

Indeed

[lofty scaffold]

Think he's talking abt what happens in game in game its 1 ark day

[fallow sapphire]

And now we have integrations like the Bob’s Tall Tales which may be adding story, but distinguishing what’s actually lore and what’s goofy stories is annoying

[dawn geyser]

Oh don’t get me started on that shit

[thorn ore]

thats not a good source either

[fallow sapphire]

Can’t wait to find out we have all been waiting for the new DLC to he Arat Prime, but it just becomes another ARK or something

[dawn geyser]

I’m game uses days not cycles we only hear about cycles in notes :
Ex:” It has been so many cycles since I was her”

It better be arat

[lofty scaffold]

It better be arat or we riot

[dawn geyser]

Like explaining between extinction and genesis would be amazing

[lofty scaffold]

Exactly

[dawn geyser]

And being in another tek city would be great… I HOPE extinction gets revamped but I’m asking to much

[lofty scaffold]

A much larger tek city? Yes pls

[dawn geyser]

Like make sanctuary so much larger… more element biomes you know ?

[lofty scaffold]

I was talking abt Arat but yeah

[dawn geyser]

But I have a feeling we are moving away from the lore with them focusing on things like cross overs 🫤
So I guess ark will become another Fortnite lmao

[thorn ore]

nah man im staying with ase

[dawn geyser]

HAHAHAHAHA The wiki says homo deus are the power sources of the ARKs

[thorn ore]

lmao
the matrix but for ghosts

[dawn geyser]

Lmao

[rigid grove]

I don't see it saying they're specifically the power sources

https://ark.wiki.gg/wiki/Lore

At least not here, it says they tend the Arks

[dawn geyser]

Under homo deus one before they saying they have infinite knowledge says they are the energy source of the arks

It says under homodeus :

Acting as energy source for the ARKs

Right Before:
Have near perfect knowledge of the universe

[cloud knoll]

Yep, saw that myself

[dawn geyser]

I think they need to actually spend the time to moderate the wiki and stop the misinformation the gets spread

[cloud knoll]

Or give us an official and accurate timeline

[rigid grove]

You can contact them via discord, @warm brook is actually here and so are others.

Or join the wiki discord if you've got lore concerns and fix them

[dawn geyser]

Do you possibly have the link for that ?

[rigid grove]

It's on the wiki

[dawn geyser]

Ok thank you

[dawn geyser]

Facts but like I said I’m convinced the current devs even know there own story lmao or do they even care anymore

[warm brook]

well they do power the arks

[thorn ore]

what
how

oh yeah pack booster ig

[rigid grove]

Genie is an ambassador.

[warm brook]

nah ambassador perks

[thorn ore]

i see

[fallow sapphire]

adds up that beings of pure knowledge and power can use said power to help the ARK's function, outside of being Overseers that is

[dawn geyser]

Its sort of a metaphor they don’t literally power the ark it’s there power (like godly) powers that nurture the life they become overseer and they literally watch and protect life using the arks

[bold dove]

Yeah, cause if they literally did. Aberration wouldn't be powered.

[dawn geyser]

If anything the one who waits notes say something along the line of obilisks being something that gives them power… I believe it’s the note on crags island

[dawn geyser]

Exactly

[stiff loom]

What evidence says that the time line has been a decade or two?

[fallow sapphire]

HLN-A Discovery#14:
We’re pioneers, but we aren’t the first survivors to get back to Earth. Years ago, a few survivors got back -- one of whom was Helena, the survivor who made me.
They saw the same devastation you’re seeing right now, and they sought their own way to escape. For Helena, that meant ascending and becoming Homo Deus -- an energy being beyond our reality. For her friends, it meant a long journey to a place called Arat Prime, where they figured out a way to beam Helena into the Genesis simulation. And then she made me!

the years ago specifically

incinuates that it wasn't that many years back

[bold dove]

That....doesn't tell me jack shit

I bet you some people refer to history events in the 20th century as 'years ago'.
Different people have different vocabularies and ways of saying stuff.

[fallow sapphire]

valid, but we really don't have a lot to go off of whatsoever

[bold dove]

Which is why I think it's better to assume it's still unknown, instead of assuming a amount of years that could confuse the timeline.

[fallow sapphire]

fair point, i can agree that making assumptions is unhelpful without useable knowledge. Still though, it's an interesting topic that's fun to think about with the tidbits of info that we do have

[bold dove]

One thing to note, is 'IF' Wildcard actually cares to a degree of the world building of the maps. We can slightly get an idea from all of the decayed ancient ruins.
Stone structures, differing on how they where constructed, can take hundreds to thousands of years till they fully collapse.

As well that Beta camp (or whatever it was called) where Santiago and gang settled up camp in Sanctuary is overgrown. Same as his grave.

[dawn geyser]

Exactly like I’ve heard tons of people say things like as a example: oh ww1 was years ago
It’s just a saying people have around the world and doesn’t give a real sense of time