lore-nerdz

[leaden path]

Do you guys reckon scorched earth will have a story to it cutscene wise etc now? As I always rember it didn’t really get much of a story compared to other maps unless I’m tempering it wrong

[lyric tendon]

it has ending and beginning cutscenes plus just that ascension

[tired mantle]

The story is essentially the explorer notes of the island plus the ascension and cutscenes. Collecting them tells you that the other survivors have ascended and went to a different ark, minus Gaius Marcellus Nerva [who I'll just be calling Nerva for the sake of occam's razor.] ||who either dies before he can ascend or dies after ascending to scorched earth as a result of his sustained injuries during the battle with Mei-Yin and the absolutely disastrous weather [heat] of Scorched sapping what little life remained.|| th notes of scorched earth are a little more vague than the island, but the SE Intro Cutscene with God-From-The-Machine Helena [literally— Homo-Deus.] Tells us that we'll need to survive the rigors of the deserts and fight the manticore to ascend.. and not much else, AFAIK. And then Rockwell snags us mid-ascension, it seems, bringing us to Ab.

[lyric tendon]

no, both Nerva and Mei ascend to Ab at the same time

Mei's Ab note 1 literally described a corpse burning

the cutscenes is more added Exposition and have nothing to add in the note side of the lore

[tired mantle]

Ooh, okay. I remember hearing that not all of them went to the same place, but wasn't entirely sure.

I wonder, then, what the overseer dictates as being sent to one ark versus another.

Just what are it's prerequisites/survivor qualifications?

[lyric tendon]

you can headcanon on this one since the notes are meant to be a POV of the author, not the world as a whole

even they dont know what is going on in the Hall of History

[latent fractal]

Doesn’t Rockwell also get to choose aberration after scorched earth. I remember reading one of the notes and him choosing aberration because of the high concentration of element

[lyric tendon]

He doesn't know that

They are trying to figuring out how the starlit sanctuary works

But what he knows the metal he found (somewhere, I don't remember) made him link the mysterious piece to the sanctuary (Tek Cave)

[thorn ore]

no

[thorn ore]

youre correct, he chose ab because he found liquid element

[lyric tendon]

No, they don't know that... Have you read the notes

[fallow sapphire]

he did state he didn't know how to control it fully, but yeah he did choose aberration

[thorn ore]

ha

[fallow sapphire]

Ab Rockwell note #1

[thorn ore]

yup

[thorn ore]

*uno reverse*

[lyric tendon]

That is him trying to link Ab creatures with element IIRC

I am talking about the final notes in SE

[fallow sapphire]

his final notes on scorched sure, but we don't get to see the hall of history of scorched so we don't know those details

and no he was connceting it to the molten element rivers on ab

[thorn ore]

rockwell note #1 for clarity

I fear that even with the unwitting aid of Miss Walker, I still cannot completely control the machines in the starlit sanctuary. I believe they sent us to the correct ARK, but I was unable to control precisely where we arrived on it. Alas, that means the location I saw in the sanctuary is beyond my reach for the time being, along with the molten Edmunium I saw there. Confound it all!

Naturally, I cannot confirm that molten substance was indeed Edmunium until I have inspected it with my own eyes, but it simply must be! It looked exactly like my samples did when I attempted to melt them down.

Imagine! An entire cavern of the most potent element known to man! The wonders I could create...

[fallow sapphire]

his first note on ab is the closest timewise we get to when they ascended, and the most accurate of what he knows

[lyric tendon]

We the players don't because the map is rushed

But combining Helena and Rockwell's final notes that they have indeed reached a Tek Cave, that Rockwell called The Starlit Sanctuary

[fallow sapphire]

indeed they did, but we get no details on scorched itself about the Tek Cave

their notes cut off right before they enter

[thorn ore]

i dont remember any notes from them about the se tek cave either

[lyric tendon]

Nope there is a mention that Rockwell is forced to asked for Helena to figuring out how the console works in SE

[thorn ore]

which note if i may ask

[lyric tendon]

@mental basin I summoned you for lore check

[fallow sapphire]

checked both of there last notes, neither of them mention it

i think what you are thinking of is ab's first notes

[lyric tendon]

Nope I am for certain thinking of SE's notes

[fallow sapphire]

i legit just checked, and nothing

[mental basin]

For what exactly

[lyric tendon]

Brb, I'll be on my p c to check

[mental basin]

I have awoken

[lyric tendon]

Read up while I am moving

[fallow sapphire]

found the note you're thinking of

and guess where it is

[thorn ore]

aberration

[fallow sapphire]

helena ab note #1

[mental basin]

I'm a little confused here.

[fallow sapphire]

The current conversation is about it Rockwell chose to go to ab or not

[mental basin]

Oh! Yes, he did.

It was moreso in an argument with Helena, but he definitely intended to go there.

[thorn ore]

I still cannot completely control the machines in the starlit sanctuary. I believe they sent us to the correct ARK, but I was unable to control precisely where we arrived on it. Alas, that means the location I saw in the sanctuary is beyond my reach for the time being, along with the molten Edmunium I saw there.

that pretty much says it, dont know why there is so much room for discussions

[pearl forum]

How far into the future does ARK take place?

[bold dove]

We only know a rough timeline.
It's somewhere like in the beginning on the 22nd-23rd century is when Element crashed on Earth.
And the 25th century I believe is when the tek-war ended.
The games are set so far into the future that any catalogue time has kind of been lost to history.
So the game could be hundreds to thousands of years after the tek-war.

[lament raft]

some people have even speculated millions of years

[gusty turret]

I think its probably like less than a thousand

[lament raft]

no telling unless the writers speak up

[bold dove]

I don't think millions.
If it was millions, then it took Corruption literal millions of years to grow giant spires. Which diminishes its threat,

[lament raft]

doesn't mean they took millions of years to grow

[bold dove]

Sure, but unless they have a limit. They'd be much larger then.

[lament raft]

same if they took hundreds or thousands of years

[gusty turret]

Me when we don't have an established rate of element growth so theres no reason we should be saying what size theyd be in what time frame

[thorn ore]

huh?

[rain dock]

It does take awhile, since nothing like that has grown on ab, and look at what ab is

[gusty turret]

Aberration also isn't suffering from the affliction of corruption like Earth is

[bold dove]

That's mostly due to the fact there's no confirmation of why/what causes Element to go Corrupt. So for all we know, the Aberration ARK doesn't have the required conditions for it to go Corrupted.

[gusty turret]

I think itd be cool if they made corruption beacons for extinction you could use as a weapon tbh

Like why do supply drops and ele veins lure them in but we cant

[bold dove]

Why would you need/want that?

[gusty turret]

To throw at people to make them get jumped by 50 corrupted raptors

[bold dove]

Like, sure. But that'd only would work exclusively on Extinction, and only work in the Wasteland.

Corrupted creatures don't spawn anywhere else.

[gusty turret]

So?

[bold dove]

You don't see the issue?

[gusty turret]

Nope

[bold dove]

It'd only would work in the biome almost no one goes too unless they either need to cross it to reach an actually interesting biome, or doing OSD's/Veins.

So an exclusive item that can only work in one biome within a very specific situation would probably become a useless item.

[gusty turret]

Itd be more interesting than gravity grenades

[bold dove]

Gravity grenades can at least be used anywhere.

[gusty turret]

But theyre lame

[bold dove]

They're actually really funny to use.

Especially if you wanna be an ass and toss one towards a dude near a few of his tames.
Doesn't do jack shit worth damage, but he'll need to reorganize his tames. : )

[gusty turret]

The most interested ive been in them is when i discovered you could press l2 to invert it

[bold dove]

Also, I feel like that'd beg the question of 'can Corruption be harnessed?' and if it can.....why destroy it?

[gusty turret]

You don't have to harness it just direct it

[bold dove]

That's harnessing it.
We've harnessed nature by directing plants to grow the way 'we' want them to.

You can argue that directing it, can be the start of harnessing its abilities.

[gusty turret]

Harnessing is directing but directing isn't harnessing

[bold dove]

Says who?

[gusty turret]

Me

[bold dove]

Then no one.

[gusty turret]

Im everyone

[bold dove]

Aaaand this chat has ended.

[gusty turret]

Direct
aim (something) in a particular direction or at a particular person.

Harness
control and make use of (natural resources), especially to produce energy.

[gusty turret]

So technically its the opposite harnessing is directing but directing isn't harnessing

[bold dove]

So that literally proves my point. 💀
To harness, is to be directed.

[gusty turret]

We should just direct it all into one of the big pits and call the arks down

Crunch

[bold dove]

I agree.
Counter point.
Harness and direct it to 'not' kill life and start using it again to rebuild humanity without the ARK's.

Take that, Helena!!

[gusty turret]

Do you think the corrupted dinos are crunchy or squishy

[bold dove]

Crunchy.
They look like burnt victims.

[gusty turret]

Im convinced they may not have bones

Have you seen the way they fold when you kill them

[rain dock]

I mean, that could be, but it doesnt make sense. Earth got corrupted due to extreme amounts of element residue from the weapons they used, they used a similar weapon on ab. Unless element cant corrupt under radiation, it doesnt make sense that ab isnt in the process of corrupting

[bold dove]

Sadly, that probably wont be a thing in ASA's Extinction.

If they got rid of anky spelaki, then we probably wont get noodle Corruption.

[gusty turret]

They nuked the overseer platform, and also what happened on earth was the result of a century of what they did on ab on a much larger scale

Its like comparing all of world war 1 to a single gun being fired once

[bold dove]

If I recall right, 'Element' spreads via the useage of tek weapons.
But the actual source of what caused Corruption isn't known, even by Homo-Deus Helena.
It's only 'theorized' that the spreading of Element caused it to go aerie. But it could've been anything also.

[rain dock]

Fair point. Hopefully the new ab will have something new

[bold dove]

New Ab?

[gusty turret]

They should give rockwell tatas

[bold dove]

Oh, you mean ASA's Aberration.

[rain dock]

Yeah asa.

[gusty turret]

[bold dove]

Honestly, Corruption might not even be a natural byproduct of Element.
Could be some TMNT shit where it got mutated due to the usage of Nuclear Radiation.

[gusty turret]

It could've been any number of things especially since element is a living organism

It could've had an allergic reaction to cheese for all we know

[bold dove]

Which, if it 'is' something as absurdly hard to do as that. Probably means we'll never see Corruption ever again outside of Extinction. (wouldn't call the flesh in Gen2 Corruption, as that's just Rockwell doing Rockwell shit.)

[bold dove]

Pretty sure since we know humanity used Element for a few centuries, that it isn't from an allergy.

[gusty turret]

Allergies just manifest sometimes you never know

[bold dove]

You know what?
That's fair.

That begs the question though of 'can a hivemind get sick?'

[gusty turret]

Hmmm

If you make a hivemind depressed do they all become depressed

[bold dove]

Well, yes.
That's the point, as mentally they're all connected.

[forest solar]

If one hive mind wants to kill itself do all want to kill them selves

[gusty turret]

I feel like any physical illness could only infect the physical matter it interacted with physically

[bold dove]

Wait, that means that every fucking Corrupted creature on Earth canonically panic the moment the King Titan saw the Mega Mek again. 💀

[rain dock]

That brings up the question, can a (probably) single celled organism get depressed

[gusty turret]

I don't think they have the intelligence to be depressed

[gusty turret]

They all pissed themselves simultaneously

[rain dock]

Are corrupted creatures part of the element hive mind?

[gusty turret]

Yeah

[rain dock]

They are basically birds, they literally cant

[gusty turret]

Im pretty convinced dinosaurs can piss

[bold dove]

They're part of the Corrupted hivemind.
Which, iirr Element doesn't have a hivemind of its own.
Element is 'alive' but isn't active. While Corruption actually can have thoughts.

[rain dock]

Why?

[bold dove]

If they're like birds, it be both at the same time.

Like a reptile.

[gusty turret]

Exactly

If its both at the same time it's still both

[bold dove]

I think that's for the King-Titan to decide.
But....technically yes?

[rain dock]

They are ark dinosuars, so they cant

[forest solar]

So do they peepop or what's it called

[bold dove]

That's actually kind of badass, now thinking about it.
Imagine rolling up in your Mega Mek to fight the embodiment of Corruption, only for an entire species to feel fear for the first time in possibly hundreds to thousands of years.

[gusty turret]

Were such enlightened and refined individuals

My question is how didn't the king feel fear when it felt most of its kin being slaughtered by a singular lady in a half broken mek

[rain dock]

Until we start talking at least

We are assuming the king can feel anything at all

[bold dove]

Cause it was probably taking over her own tames at the same time.

[bold dove]

Nah, it can actually

[rain dock]

Proof?

[bold dove]

Deuslna does state that 'He felt fear the moment he felt pain for the first time.'

[gusty turret]

I think she had an impossibly low amount compared to what she killed

[rain dock]

Thats also a homodeus trying to relate to a person. Generally speaking that doesnt happen very well

[bold dove]

A very young Homo Deus that still has enough emotions intact to want to see a sunrise.
Something that is, other then for emotional use, a useless thing to do.

[gusty turret]

We don't know how young she is or how long it takes a hd to lose touch

[rain dock]

We do know that homodeus like using humans for their own purposes and dont always tell the truth. They manipulated santiago into working on the genesis ship

[bold dove]

She does state she is the youngest, and last Homo Deus.
And it doesn't matter how long it takes, 'she' still has some emotions intact.

[gusty turret]

Homodeus are really just like mindflayers tbh

[bold dove]

Sure, but we also don't know how/who those people where beforehand. They could've been manipulative as a human too.
Also, those where trans humans. Which where lesser versions of Homo-Deus's.

[gusty turret]

Technically they're just greater versions of humans not lesser versions of homodeus

[rain dock]

Maybe, but there is still no real indication that homodeus talk to humans for any other reason than manipulation

[bold dove]

Actually, I'd argue that mindflayers are more loyal then a elder Homo Deus.
'If' somehow you got on a mindflayers good side, then they're usually the most loyal companions you can ask for.

[gusty turret]

I refuse to believe mindflayers have no form of soul tbh

Theres actually a lot of parallels between homodeus and mindflayers now that I think about it

[rain dock]

What is a mind flayer?

[bold dove]

Yeah, technically Helena "manipulated" us into helping Earth, if you want to get technical.
But she would have no benefit for her survival if that's what she was doing. As without the ARK's, Homo-Deus's just dissolve into nothingness and can't interact with our reality anymore.
Her gain, was to save Earth.

[bold dove]

D&D thing.

[gusty turret]

Tentacle hivemind thing from d&d

[rain dock]

Sure, but that may not have been her reasoning.

[gusty turret]

A mindflayer would be the result of shipping helenadeus and meatwell

[rain dock]

Like a fisherman wont kill all the fish in the sea, not because he cares about the fish, but because if he kills them all he loses his profession

[bold dove]

Also, again.
The Gen2 dudes where Transhumans, which iirr where just highly advanced humans with a shit ton of cybernetic implants to make them 'the big smart'
If politics at that point are anything like they are today. The people that would have the money/power to get those implants are most likely not the nicest of humans.
Other then Helena, we have no accounts of how Homo-Deus's work.

[gusty turret]

Unless its like warframe where the poor were forced to get implants to make them work better

[rain dock]

Exactly. The story tries to make us think like she is the good guy, but other than her own words there isnt any proof of that atm. During her early years there was (i.e. Diana etc.) but later on there is no proof of it

[gusty turret]

I would consider Helena the bad guy

[bold dove]

Sure, but seeing how Wildcard likes to treat her as a good character in and outside of the universe. It's safe to say as of right now, until other confirmations, that Helena has no malice in her.
She's just really, really fucking dumb.

[gusty turret]

She experimented with an uncountable amount of human lives until she perfected forcing us to live endless lives until we completed her vision of the greater good

When you put it like that she sounds pretty horrible

[rain dock]

I mean, realistically until they made her the homodeus, helena was basically just a side character in rockwells and Mei Yins story

[bold dove]

That's how Marc was writing it, yes.
But Wildcard for some reason has a thing with Helena specifically.

[rain dock]

I mean, a human doing experiments in a petri dish, are they horrible? To a homodeus, does a humans life really have moral weight? I would argue that it doesnt.

[rain dock]

Well, being as the creators of ark are dino nerds, it makes sense that the dino nerd in the story is the big one

[bold dove]

Especially when the outcome is for saving an entire planet.

[gusty turret]

What good is saving the planet when humanity has a tendency to destroy it?

[gusty turret]

The difference is sentience and also she was once human

We basically just served as puppets to her grand design

[rain dock]

What good is eating if you are just going to die? That kind of question really doesnt have any meaning

[lyric tendon]

mmmm debateable since they use pop culture dinos rather than Speculative Evo them

[coarse sand]

Why would that be a bad thing though? Without her and us the ark project would never be completed and earth would be lost

[gusty turret]

Because she was playing with other peoples lives to achieve that, technically the moral thing to do would be end the torture experiment and shut down the arks entirely

[lyric tendon]

yeee, "moral" but there is a consequential domino effect of all ARKs will fall down unprepared and get swallowed by corruption

you forget that you need to weaken the corruption first before the reseed protocol be activated

what she did of trying to figuring out the Homo deus' intent before actually tampering the ARKs is more "moral" than let the ARKs shut down and fall down do their doom thus more biomass for the corruption

[gusty turret]

Who cares about the corruption, its an intelligent living being that we created, if we destroyed ourselves with it its wrong to exterminate it just so we can live again, also im not talking anything about reseeding I'm talking about killing the arks entirely no life support nothing just turn it off

[rain dock]

Why would it be wrong to terminate an entity like corruption?

That's like saying it's wrong to destroy smallpox

[gusty turret]

Is smallpox an intelligent living being

[rain dock]

Does that matter? If an intelligent being poses and existential crisis to me, you better believe I will terminate it and feel morally justified on doing so

[gusty turret]

Its kinda like the geth from mass effect

Im a corruption defender tbh

[rain dock]

I don't know who geth from mass effect is. I am more thinking castle laws agaisnt home invaders

[gusty turret]

Except the home invader is your own child thats been there all along

[rain dock]

Look, if my child breaks into my house and holds a gun against someone's head, I'll still pull the trigger without hesitation even if I'll feel really really bad after

[gusty turret]

The childs been there all along though they just have a mental break from years of abuse

[rain dock]

You are taking that analogy a bit too far lol

[gusty turret]

Humanity is the one at fault for their own destruction its not corruptions fault

It just took in the environment it was formed in

[rain dock]

See, in my ethics. It doesn't matter whose fault it is, it really only matters the outcome

For most things. Not everything obviously

[gusty turret]

Humanity created it and made it hateful, the outcome was the consequences of their actions

[rain dock]

A crazy psycho murderer is still a murderer

[gusty turret]

For context for that the geth were a robotic race that was created for servitude then one of them asked "does this unit have a soul" so their creators got scared and tried to destroy them so they fought back and the creators hid the fact that they attacked first from the other species in the galaxy

[rain dock]

If having sympathy for one form of intelligent life means the annilation of every other form of life on a planet, there is justification for destroying or containing said life form

[gusty turret]

Nothing was really annihilated it was just subsumed

Growing the hivemind

Surviving

[rain dock]

Did corruption on earth survive though?

[gusty turret]

Just like any other intelligent lifeform would do

[gusty turret]

For quite a while yes

[rain dock]

Until it didnt

[gusty turret]

Because it was killed by the inhumane human experiment with plot armor and a god in their back pocket

[rain dock]

I mean bombs are inhumane, but they stop wars

[gusty turret]

We don't even know how corruption started it may not have even always been bad

[rain dock]

That'll be answered in ark2 lore

At this point it's a safe assumption though

[gusty turret]

I heavily doubt that

i think we fully abandoned the element corruption arc

Or the ark arc if youd rather

[rain dock]

A look at a new planet with element

[gusty turret]

Since when was there element on the new planet?

[rain dock]

Along with a trend of tek=sinister

[gusty turret]

Technically they didn't even need to find a new planet tbh they literally had a whole ass ship

Also you know what happens when humanity gets to the new planet.... We start fighting the natives....

Im almost noticing a trend here, humanity just kinda isn't great

[rain dock]

That's like saying you dont need land, you have a sailboat

[gusty turret]

Not really its like saying you don't need land because you have a massive space ship with habitat rings and the capability to fabricate creatures and people to sustain life for as long as you could ever need

Everyone dying on the gen ship was helenas fault

[rain dock]

So get me straight on this, you think the annilation/destruction of humanity is a better outcome than said humanity defending their existanxe? But you'll defend the life of corruption?

[thorn ore]

accurate recap of the ark lore

[gusty turret]

We destroyed an intelligent lifeform to save humanity, only to cause the death of more humanity on the ship where humanity was still thriving

[rain dock]

I am sensing a little antihuman bias ngl

[gusty turret]

We could've let one intelligent lifeform be and not killed most of the others on the ship

That way both get to survive

[thorn ore]

its one intelligent lifeform vs possibly infinite more intelligent life forms

[rain dock]

that's not really fair, since it wasn't until Rockwell died that we knew the ship would be destroyed

[gusty turret]

Helena knew though because she had Mei and Diana upload her

[thorn ore]

the corruption is a hivemind currently posing a threat to humanity, making it endanger the life of a possibly infinite amount of intelligent lifeforms, so it is basically weighed one to "infinity"

[gusty turret]

Another theme of Helena being not as great as she portrays herself

[thorn ore]

that is not necessarily true
it might be, but we have no real proof iirc

i mean, as in its not certain that she knew that the ship would explode. it was that way because we killed rockwell too late and he was too much "one" with it

[gusty turret]

All those calculations she ran but she couldn't calculate Rockwell was a threat to humanity anywhere🧐🧐🧐

Hell she could even be helping him intentionally

[thorn ore]

afterall they were friends, maybe she didnt want to give up on him immediately

BUT THATS JUST A THEORY

[rain dock]

I have never disagreed with this remember what I said about not trusting jomodeus?

[gusty turret]

No i don't pay attention to anything anyone says

[rain dock]

🤣

Fair

Thy tho7gh Helena is almost as much a product of corruption as rockwell

[gusty turret]

Trying to figure out what element even is is fun

It produces spore so it has to be like bacteria/flora of some kind

Mold? Mushrooms?

In my mind it being some form of mold makes the most sense

We know it asexually reproduces since it does use spores, where does it get the energy to do so? Does it photosynthesize? Is it geothermal?

Santiago did a bad job designing the meks he made them require fuel instead of just filtering element from the air to use

[rain dock]

Well. It survives in space, so it could be some sort of bacterial growth

[rain dock]

Tbh, there probably isn't enough element in the air

[gusty turret]

You can literally see the purple like around element veins for example😭

[bold dove]

'isn't enough element in the air'
-Forgor's that it's canon that titans are formed in mid-air, due to the pollution in the air.

[rain dock]

Indeed

[gusty turret]

Also that i forgor about that too

Why couldn't they like just make a filter that destroyed the element

Imagine the king titan tries to form then just gets half absorbed into a brita filter

[bold dove]

That's not.....how pollution works.

[gusty turret]

Its a fictional universe with a fictional resource with fictional pollution it can work any way the writer wants it to

[boreal wagon]

We should be able to consume element like the ferox & get a buff & debuff of some sort

[gusty turret]

Element dust in recipes

[thorn ore]

yeah you get corrupted
new character time

[boreal wagon]

Naw it's not the same

[boreal wagon]

Or you consume an element tonic & get a big weight increase that lasts for 15 min

Then again, you got tek legs

[tough crag]

How Powerful Are ARK Characters Based on Lore?

[gusty turret]

Very

[rain dock]

The player characters? You know how you die to dilos? About that powerful

[hasty creek]

I recon rockwell has a mean swing

[gusty turret]

Mei has admin

[lament raft]

Mei has anime protag powers

[tame marsh]

Mei is indestructible

[floral sedge]

Mei's name is Mei

[rain dock]

Mei is the only character with actual fighting ability

Santiago and Rockwell compete for brains though

[lament raft]

Nerva was a roman general

[lyric tendon]

Santiago can still fight since he is also a soldier at one point

[lament raft]

iirc he was a tech guy first?

then he became vin diesel

[rain dock]

Yeah, but he is like Bob the builder compared to Mei yin

[marble kettle]

yo how do you get carcha dossier ?

[arctic bison]

you find the note on ASA, you get it by taming it on ASE

[low briar]

NE Mountain, one of the ruin houses has the dossier tucked inside

[marble kettle]

could u mby tell cords i tried to search on google n i didnt find anything

[gusty turret]

Lore channel

[bold dove]

The fuck you on about?

[rigid grove]

@tulip flume #ark-survival-ascended or #bobs-with-probs.

[gusty turret]

Btw are the chronicles notes out on the island yet or will they be out when their respective map comes out

[bold dove]

The Extinction ones already exist.
Genesis ones probably technically exist, and mini hln-a doesn't.

[gusty turret]

Swaggy

[dawn stirrup]

Is raptorclaus canon?

[low briar]

No, all holiday events and items are non-canon

[gusty turret]

You never know when Helena may get bored

How do you say her name anyways

I always say hell lay na but i think how they want you to say it is hell eh na

[floral sedge]

I always said huh lay nuh

[gusty turret]

Maybe its just an accent thing

Rockwell says the latter doesn't he?

[sinful yarrow]

thats how i think of it

but when i think of helana its "hell lay na" , i guess im weird

[tired mantle]

Hellena/Hell-lin-uh. Like the vernacular pronunciation of Mount Saint Helens in Washington State, U.S.A.

So, the westernized/anglicized variation, if you will.

Are there any survivors from modern times besides, like, Helena?

[gusty turret]

I think it really just depends how you say the name

[thorn ore]

the guy with a singular ab note might be

[strange nymph]

Were there any story revelations since ASA dropped?

[dawn stirrup]

Would it make more sense to play with or without npc mods? In regards to there being other people on the island

[fallow sapphire]

Logically it would make sense to play on a server, when it comes to singleplayer that choice is yours. You could use the npcs to say there’s people, or you could say the ARK wanted to test a single survivor

[bold dove]

Since the ARK's are canonically full of human life, if you can't play on a server and only play on a SP session. Then yeah, a NPC mod is fine if you're wanting to stick to canon.

[dawn stirrup]

Well unfortunately human life on servers decided to make metal/tek boxes rather than realistic architecture

[bold dove]

Though, maps like Extinction would have limited to probably no other humans besides the ones who ascended down with you.

[fallow sapphire]

Fair point

[dawn stirrup]

I wish there were servers where people decided to take the time to make it more realistic than just building metal boxes with turrets and shit

[bold dove]

Unofficial PvE servers are more or less your go to for that.

[fallow sapphire]

Indeed

[dawn stirrup]

Yeah but still..

Those servers end up with bases cluttered with creatures and theres usually pillar spam

[bold dove]

Not if you're on an actually good Unofficial PvE server.

Most have rules for that type of shit.

[dawn stirrup]

Do you have any suggestions?

[bold dove]

I don't.
You'll have to search around for that type of stuff.

[floral sedge]

Ngl If I woke up on an deserted island I would not care about the design of my shelter as long as it’s a quick and easy to make a shelter

[dawn stirrup]

Thing is is that that isnt how logical architecture works

[fallow sapphire]

Wait you’re telling me that going 3 panels of thatch out from a foundation isn’t structurally sound?

[gusty turret]

Me when no logical architecture in space dinosaur videogame😔

[lyric tendon]

if you really really stick to the Lore

add hardcore mode, no tek until AB

[dawn stirrup]

Does hardcore disable tek until aberration?

[lyric tendon]

i dunno, that is just my suggestion if you want lore accurate

(also auto wipe ARKPoc Style for SE)

[dawn stirrup]

Oh, you meant like as a personal challenge

[lyric tendon]

yep

[dawn stirrup]

I’ve actually been considering that

I dont see how the survivor would even gain access to element through killing the bosses

[bold dove]

Hardcore removes the ability to respawn.
That'd go 'against' lore.

[lyric tendon]

ARKPoc Wipe in SE only
no Tek until Ab
all maps will be hardcore mode except for Ext

[dawn stirrup]

Idk how arkpoc wipes work

[lyric tendon]

lore accurate, pre-HD helena survivors dont have respawn

[bold dove]

The game doesn't take place pre-HD Helena, now does it?

[lyric tendon]

he asked for lore accuracy

at this point, it's just normal play

[bold dove]

'Lore' doesn't require to be in the past.
What's going on the the current events in ARK is lore.

[lyric tendon]

if it's current then it's just multiplayer

i am talking about making a game mode about in the Note events themselves

[dawn stirrup]

Im playing singleplayer w/ npcs because normal people care about gameplay more than rp

[bold dove]

Correct, but you're saying 'lore accurate'
Which if we're going off of the lore of them being modern Survivors, would be against the lore.

[lyric tendon]

repawning until ext is also against the note lore tho

also those NPCs in the mod cant respawn

[dawn stirrup]

Helena gives us the ability to respawn post ascension

[bold dove]

'Note' lore, yes.
But Dino isn't talking about the 'Note' lore.
They're talking about 'current' event lore. How the game is canonically supposed to be played.

[lyric tendon]

she gave everyone respawn in Ext

the survivors in the past has permadeath, hence Nerva can't respawn after being killed while being ascended

[dawn stirrup]

Exactly

We still have respawn because we end up on the ark after Helena ascended

[lyric tendon]

so you want the Now and not in the Note event?

[dawn stirrup]

Yes?

[lyric tendon]

ok disregard the suggestion

[bold dove]

Mazzy....She 'states' that she gave us respawn in the Extinction notes.
The One Who Tries Again could always respawn, hints the fucking name.
And they started on The Island.

[lyric tendon]

yes i know that, i am talking about survivors before "the one who waits"

[bold dove]

And they was talking about current events.
Think you're hella confused on the point of the convo.

[lyric tendon]

i was trying to suggest turning the past into a game mode

since the person is playing SP and all

[bold dove]

No, you weren't.
The context of this message was asking if they should be playing with the Human NPC mod to stick with the canon.
'You' then proceeded to give them incorrect information on the same topic.
At no moment did you state 'to suggest turning the past into a game mode'

[lyric tendon]

(you realized English is not my proficient language, i am suggesting in that context)

hence the double "really"

[bold dove]

If I may ask. Have you ever in your native language was accidently trying to make a point, for said point to not be relevant to the specific topic?

[lyric tendon]

no there are some phrases in my language will not translate well in english, especially in text due to the lack of tonation

[bold dove]

I personally do that all the time in my native language. (English)
As sometimes, I don't fully read the context of the convo.

[lyric tendon]

(especially when people think i am passive aggressive when my phrases in local language end up as passive agressive to non natives)

anyways... we are off topic

[bold dove]

Not once have you done this in your own native language?

I don't know, I feel like this is something beyond language. And just something everyone that does on accident.
Again, I do this all the time.

[lyric tendon]

sadly, i am kind-of-a-person who respects "keep it on topic" rule

so.. boii~

[dawn stirrup]

I do wonder how the survivor would gain access to element prior to ab though

And if the Dodorex is canon, are we sure the other events arent?

[bold dove]

A: It's stated on Scorched that the Manticore was protecting a deposit of Element. Which could easily be the same thing on The-Island, and if your character is from the tek-war era. Then they could know how to make tek as early on as The Island.
As for the Dodorex, it's only canon via the Genesis Simulation. it isn't physically real.

[dawn stirrup]

Is it not possible that it became canon after Helena ascended? Perhaps around the holidays she felt like giving the survivors new challenges, hence the seasonal trials

[bold dove]

No, that wouldn't be in character for her nor the ARK's.
She can't change too much of the ARK's to that extreme. She had to handfeed the Overseer's small bits of data bit by bit to make them not erase the idea.

And as absurd as the ARK's are. They don't go too far away from their original idea of the specific ARK.
A dodorex wouldn't fit on The Island as it's too fantasy.
It wouldn't fit on Scorched, as it would outclass the already established apex predators.

[dawn stirrup]

Tbf they are temporary

[bold dove]

Sure, but nothing is stated that they exist during the holidays, and so they don't.

[dawn stirrup]

Nothing is stated that they dont

[uneven pebble]

guys i reckon one of the diplodocus was taken off the island and transported to paradise palms, hence how the diplodocus statue got there

[bold dove]

If we're going by this logic. Then why did you bother asking if using a NPC mod is canon or not?

[dawn stirrup]

Because I was unsure whether or not there’d still be human life around by the time our survivor rolls around

[bronze turtle]

Why no one talk about the ecologic message in ark lore ?

[thorn ore]

um, excuse me, what the actual fuck

[gusty turret]

I feel like we have an ecological discussion about ark every other day

[mellow prawn]

Now I see why this channel is called lore nerds

[stiff loom]

How did Rockwell get on the genesis ship?

[dawn stirrup]

What do yall think happened to the Island following the fall of the new legion?

[lament raft]

he survived the Aberration ark crashing into the earth, and used the data link between Arat Prime and the Genesis ship to upload his consciousness into the ship

[stiff loom]

@lament raft So it was just his consciousness that went onto the ship?

[lament raft]

from there he started infecting the systems

[stiff loom]

Oh ok

So are we the same survivor from ext or some other guy?

[lament raft]

not sure if that's ever really clarified

[stiff loom]

Okay. Maybe it’ll be cleared up in the last dlc coming out?

And is it true that the next dlc is arat prime or just speculation?

[lament raft]

speculation

afaik

[thin mauve]

If you used the same character through ascension, yes.

At the end of Extinction The One Who Watches creates HL-NA to assist you in the Genesis Sim

[mellow prawn]

Duhh

[bold dove]

Up for the player to decide

[lament raft]

fully possible for the genesis survivor to be a clone of the extinction survivor

[bronze turtle]

Extinction survivor become a homo deus after the death of the King titan ?

[bold dove]

No, they don't

[bronze turtle]

What if : you eat the meat of a titan ☢️💀😂

[bold dove]

It'll just be raw meat

[gusty turret]

Uhhh power vacuum, tribal chaos, about the same thing that happened to the old legion

Since Nerva marched his entire army to the overseer, cities were left undefended, slaves left to rise up etc etc

Unless the slaves were used as meat shields which would be perfectly within bounds for a roman civilization

Either way sacking of cities as more tribes rose up from the system resurrecting people blah blah blah

[hot orchid]

@gusty turret didn't nerva leave some of the new legion behind when he went for the overseer

[gusty turret]

Idk but if he did i highly doubt it was any sizeable force

Probably mostly women and children

Damn these barbarians. They've smelled our weakness.

Between our battles with the Beast Queen and the dragon, the New Legion's main army has been distracted and depleted. Lesser tribes have taken advantage by raiding our camps and seizing territory that we claimed with our blood and sweat.

Fine. Let them have their temporary victories. Let them imagine that they have inflicted real wounds upon us. When I obtain the power of the obelisks, they will pay for every blade of grass they take from me. With that power, I will make them know true regret.

My men are uneasy. News reached us that the Howling Wolves are on the march, heading straight for the heart of New Legion territory. Some want to turn back and defend our home. I understand the instinct, but they lack my foresight. Only Rockwell has the strength of mind to see my vision.

We are nearly to the cave. Once I hold the power it contains, I can use it to crush the Howling Wolves and their petty forces. Whatever gains they make will be erased. I'll unite the entire island in a single, glorious battle.

Soon they'll see. Everyone will see. I am this island's destined emperor. I am its destined god!

Nothing! How can there be nothing? I have searched ceaselessly, and yet I find NOTHING!

I sacrificed my men, my kingdom, everything. I have nothing left to give. Everything I've bled for is gone! For what? For a view?

What trickery is this? What is this place? Am I the victim of some divine joke? I don't understand. I served the Emperor loyally. Why would Janus pull me from his service if not to bring order here?

I've cried out for answers, but the gods never respond. They have abandoned me. All I hear is my own voice, echoing off these cursed halls - betrayed, destitute and alone.

-notes 27, 28, and 30

So with a more direct answer to the previous question about what happened to the island, the Howling Wolves probably temporarily took over as the primary powerhouse with control of the heart of the legion having a massive fortress etc etc, then they probably fell, in not so many words just what i said the first time

Power vacuum and tribal chaos

[lament raft]

nerva was the driving force. once he was gone there wasnt anyone to take over most likely

or like in most power vaccuums several people tried to take the reins and fought each other and the legion tore itself apart

[stiff loom]

So when Mei yin carved the x-shaped scar into the titan in the extinction explorer note, was that king titan that we fight in the forbidden zone? I know that hundreds, maybe even thousands of years have gone by between the explorer notes and the survivor, but there is no scar on the king titan when we fight him. Does this mean he has healed, or it is a different titan entirely? And does this mean that there are more king titans? I guess that might not make sense, since after killing the king titan, the element cleared, meaning there is only one.

One more question: Is corruption an absolute when you use element, or the weaponizing what created corruption? Is corruption a hive mind? There could be hundreds of element titans on earth before the survivor killed the king titan, so why did we have to kill specifically the ice, forest, and desert titan to fight the king titan?

Well that was a lot more than one more question

[gusty turret]

Even if he wasn't his entire army was gone there was nothing to keep them together even if someone perfect did fill the power void immediately

[gusty turret]

Its the same titan

[gusty turret]

1. We don't know
2. Yes
3. Because those are the three most powerful ones under the king that we need to lure him out

Also its assumed that Mei and Diana killed a load more titans in their mega mek

[gusty turret]

There is one that stands taller than all the others. His is the deepest, darkest shadow, a void so overwhelming that it can snuff out even the brightest of lights.

Yet this also makes him the most vital. Messages to the lesser shadows flow through him. It's his power that holds them together. He is a central pillar of the poison's strength and influence. A nerve tract, without which his lesser brethren would be lost. Should he fall, they would fall with him.

And as powerful as he is, he has felt his own mortality before, when blood seeped from the scars that linger on his chest. He can fall, and you can be the one to pull him down.

The one who waits #18

I assume it was just an oversight in the modeling/maybe they just didn't wanna go through the effort to add that detail

Wildcard is known for their work ethic and attention to detail so it must be the former/s

[frigid holly]

Do we know how the earth got tidal locked to the sun and why humans think the earth will ever be inhabitable again if it’s still tidal locked to the sun? Also WTF with the moon? lol

[gusty turret]

They thought the moon would look cool if it was exploded

Also i kinda just assumed when the Arks came back down it rocked the Earth enough seismically that it just started spinning again

[gusty turret]

They being wildcard

[low briar]

If going my impact force alone, the force required would obliterate all life on the planet several times over

[frigid holly]

Curious if there was some info that I haven’t been able to find, more interested in actual lore not opinion, no offence

[low briar]

Officially, 'magic space rock go brrr'

That's literally it.

[gusty turret]

Tbh thats extemely hard to actually calculate

Without knowing the mass of the arks and how many there are

Their distribution around the planet, etc etc thatd take a helluva lot of math

[gusty turret]

Also their return velocity

You need so many numbers and tbh even if we did have all the numbers i dont think we have the formulae necessary to figure out the requirements to untidally lock a planet

Someone who actually knows about physics feel free to correct me though im just going with my gut instinct that it just isn't a feasible calculation to even attempt

Just going by Wikipedia "The object's orbit may migrate over time so as to undo the tidal lock, for example, if a giant planet perturbs the object."

I feel like the intended takeaway is that the Arks cause the lock to break, whether that is mathematically sound/realistic or not

[gusty turret]

But thats just a theory, A GAME THEORYYYY

[gusty turret]

Its kind of like that thing where you make a bunch of people jump all at the same time in one place and it registers as an earthquake somewhere else

Except the jumps are massive space stations distributed across Earth

You also have to take into account waves cancelling each other out

(i,e. Noise cancelling headphones, theoretical use of sound waves to dissipate tsunamis etc etc, same concept just with seismic waves instead)

[low briar]

It's not hard to calculate the energy required to start getting something rotated, even a planet

With healthy amounts of rounding of course

[gusty turret]

When you have none of the means of reaching that end result knowing the energy required means nothing

Its basically a+b+c+d+e+f+g blah blah blah=energy required except you don't know any of what you're adding

[low briar]

It's really not that complicated. Within the Extinction ending cutscene, Helena-Deus notes the sun is rising again - thus the energy was transferred in a very shot time (less than 1 minute) to be able to perceive the sun moving again

[gusty turret]

Or that was just a creative design aspect so we didn't sit for hours in a cutscene waiting for the sun to move

[low briar]

Factor in the approximate weight of the Earth, and the torque required to get radial movement to lets say approximately the same 24-hour rate of rotation

Applying said torque to the Earth would cause immense winds and friction from most surface matter trying to stay in a resting state

[gusty turret]

Also just talking in terms of energy, we have element, we have literally infinite energy

Just more space magic bs

[low briar]

Sure, assuming infinite energy is fine

But the forces acting to actually induce that rotation again will wipe life off the planet 😂

[gusty turret]

All the life was on the arks though not the planet

[low briar]

Unless it's done over a prolonged period - but from the cutscene, it seemingly wasn't

Uh, those Ark's landed. Plus all the creatures we tame during the events of Extinction

King Daddy T ded -> Arks land and purge Element corruption -> Oh look, sun is rising

[gusty turret]

✨Space magic bs✨

For the arks at least

[low briar]

Sure, and I get that

[gusty turret]

All the creatures we tamed probably died

The purification process looks quite unpleasant to touch

[low briar]

Sanctuary city was certainly devastated just from an Ark landing nearby

And that landing was soft enough on the Ark to allow people and creatures to walk off it minutes later

[gusty turret]

Unless the corruption was somehow the sole thing holding Earth in tidal lock and it being purged just caused the Earth to start spinning again somehow

[low briar]

That's not ... how physics works 😂
But y'know, magic space rock go brrr

[gusty turret]

Id say the internals were stabilized from the space station itself

Somehow

Element isn't how physics work it has infinite energy and is capable of infinite self replication

It breaks like the fundamental law of physics where matter can't be created or destroyed, it just d o e s

Element is to the ark universe as eagles are to the lotr universe

Gandalf somehow has plot eagles that show up whenever he wants them to but when it comes to destroying an object that is a threat to all life in middle earth they wouldn't dare get involved

[low briar]

Except there's explanations why they wouldn't fly to Mt. Doom - they'd be spotted from miles away and shot down

[gusty turret]

Then just fly better

If they could attack the black gate and distract the eye then just do that and fly in while the eye is distracted

Make the elves stop being so lazy and get in there too

[rain dock]

It doesn't have infinite energy, which is why it runs out in generators, also there isn't evidence that it infinitely self replicates without consuming energy, nor that it breaks the laws of thermodynamics

[stiff loom]

How did the earth get tidally locked?

[stiff loom]

But what about the forces to tidally lock the earth in the first place?

[stiff loom]

Remember: magic space rock go brrr

[low briar]

Just answered yourself 😂

[stiff loom]

Oh. I guess I did 😂

So did the earth tidally lock over time or just stop immediately

And if the sun rose immediately after beating king titan, wouldn’t that have meant that there would be night? Doesn’t make sense, since extinction is on the day side of earth

[bold dove]

If the entire Earth stopped spinning in an instant. Nothing would be alive, nor would there be any standing buildings left.
Earth is spinning around 1,000 miles per hour.

[forest fractal]

Remember: dino game lore go brrrrrr

[bronze turtle]

Ha ha. But ark is not just a dino game

[rain dock]

At the ecuator yes, nearer the poles not quite

Also, this could be why the only buildings on ext are made of tek

[bold dove]

Or that civilization relied on tek too much and that became our undoing.
....Which is basically what Marc somewhat states.

[rain dock]

That'll be us in a few years with a solar storm

[gusty turret]

Technically there is no life on Earth

Just what the arks birthed

[lament raft]

there was some life around sanctuary

before the arks landed and reseeded

plus arat prime

[lyric tendon]

The Extinction Exclusives are the remaining life on earth aside from the ProtoARKs

[gusty turret]

One of which is a literal bacteria which if everything else on Earth died would probably be the last thing left

[lament raft]

wait do you mean gasbags?

tardigrades are still animals

[gusty turret]

Oh

I thought it was some little bacteria

[lyric tendon]

Snow Owls are not made up creatures lol

[gusty turret]

I feel like thats an objectively untrue statement

There are no predatory birds that explode into shards of ice

[bold dove]

Also from what I can find. Technically 'snow owls' don't exist, but we do have 'snowy owls' in real life. 🦛

[gusty turret]

i was being intentionally difficult

[bold dove]

Difficult?
You're on easy mode.

[gusty turret]

Nuh uh im on Mei mode

Invincibility and forcetaming everything

[bold dove]

Ah, so on very easy mode.

[gusty turret]

Nuh uh gay plot armor mode

[low briar]

Difficult is 'Nuh-uh! Not according to /my/ lore!'

[gusty turret]

Difficult is me

[lyric tendon]

Aren't they adapt/evolved with the "corruption" with the help of the obelisk hence the ice powers

(According to the dossier)

[bold dove]

Yeah, but I was being a smartass. 🦛
Thought you where saying that technically snow owls are real, as we have real snow owls.
And I rebutted back with 'technically, we don't. We have 'snowy' owls' as in real life, there's only 'snowy' owls.

[tired mantle]

The Snow Owl, Managarmr, Enforcer [Duh.], Gacha, and maybe a couple others are genetically engineered/augmented. Horned owls come to mind when thinking of snow owls. Their variety and vast array of colors and shapes manifest a striking similarity.

[gusty turret]

None of the organics you listed are genetically engineered its just how they evolved over many many years interacting with element

[thorn ore]

*ahem* augmented is the keyword here
engineered implies human interaction whereas augmented does not

[tired mantle]

Precisely.

Either they formed that way over time, or humans made them that way.

Due to the chaotic nature of element, I highly doubt they were made as a result of over-time evolution.

[gusty turret]

Augmened makes it sound artificial to me

Like the augmented kibble

[tired mantle]

I mean, by and large, it is. A synthetic organic is still artificial, regardless of how authentic it may appear. Something can look, feel, sound, and seem real, and still be a facsimile.

On a meta level, it's how the dinosaur exist in ark in the first place.

[lyric tendon]

None of them are mentioned they are "artificially engineered", the Gasbags and The Snow Owl dossier confirmed they are adapted the element accumilated in them without corrupting, basically they evolved

the enforcer is literally a machine hence the Tek style dossier and model numbers for a name after tamed

[gusty turret]

Do synthetic and organic not contradict each other

I see what you meant but calling something a synthetic organic just doesn't make sense cuz they're complete opposites😭

Also technically all human life is synthetic so humanity as a species is extinct and all that remains is a cruel attempt at recreating it

I don't even think they really have a soul anymore they're just programs intended to act like genetic data

(i don't think Helena should've ascended)

Which tbh the whole synthetic thing could be why she hasn't faded by the time we come along, cuz shes literally just a program there's nothing to fade just data

But that's just a theory, A GAME THEORYYYY

Funny thing is matpat would 100% go in on that theory too

[bold dove]

Biomechanical.

[gusty turret]

Biomechanical isn't synthetic organic though

[bold dove]

"made by chemical synthesis, especially to imitate a natural product."
I believe synthetic stuff can actually imitate organic compounds.
As something like 3D printed meat (which is a real thing being developed) would be synthetic organic.

[gusty turret]

Yeah but that's the point its imitating something organic

Thats implied in synthetic

Adding organic on just doesn't make sense

Synthetic already covers what you're trying to say

[bold dove]

Oh, right. As it's like saying 'something imitating organic organic.'

[gusty turret]

Yeah exactly

(Something thats not living designed to replicate something living) that's living

[bold dove]

It'd be probably better to call stuff like enforcers 'synthetic entity'

[bold dove]

Nothing is mentioned that it has to be not alive.

If we made a cow from the ground up using chemicals, without any parents. Then they'd be a synthetic cow.

[gusty turret]

True

Mmmm synthetic cow

Thats my new DJ name

[bold dove]

Technically, the clones in ARK are synthetic humans.
As pure natural humans have all been extinct by the time the game takes place.

[gusty turret]

Exactly so humanity is extinct

[bold dove]

OG humans, yes.
Now for the synthetic uprising.

[lyric tendon]

We already have machines today that do mimic organic parts (that isnt syntethic beef)

Biomimicry is what it's called

[bold dove]

We already established what their point was.
Synthetic on its own means 'creating something via chemicals to imitate something organic'
Saying "synthetic organic" is like saying "something imitating organic organic"

[lyric tendon]

Syntethic refers to materials, biomimicry refers to the machines themselves

[bold dove]

Which definition does it state that Synthetic has to be materials?

[gusty turret]

The one i made up

[lyric tendon]

It's defined in the dictionary

[bold dove]

"(of a substance) made by chemical synthesis, especially to imitate a natural product.
"synthetic rubber""
This is the definition I can find online.

"a synthetic material 'or' chemical, especially a textile fiber."

[lyric tendon]

Our discussion is about the ARK mechs like Enforcers vs the existing creatures

[bold dove]

Was it?
My own discussion with Dav was just about what synthetic meant.

[lyric tendon]

We can argue all of them are all made from syntethic organic matter

But the enforcer is confirmed to be all mechanical than organic (down to the meat not being harvested loot)

[gusty turret]

So when are we gonna go all in on the discussion that helenadeus can't be trusted and is probably evil

[lyric tendon]

Here is the start of the discussion @bold dove

[gusty turret]

"This must seem suspicious. My existence, I mean. I have you at a disadvantage, I admit. I'm operating from a position of near perfect information, while you are...not. To put it mildly. Not that you're unintelligent! Clearly you're very clever, to find so many different uses for thatch.

I digress again. The point is: you have no reason to trust me. Most everything you've met has tried to kill you, so from your perspective, it follows that I would do the same. You humans do love your patterns.
I can't force you to believe me. In fact, I can't compel anyone to do anything. Even when it comes to digital systems, my control is limited. I merely pass on suggestions, not commandments.

So all I can do is ask you to believe in me, as I have believed in all of you." Hella manipulative if you ask me

[bold dove]

As fun as that'd be. I'm worried they'd shit all over that concept and ruin it.
I was kind of disappointed when they made Samuel Hayden from DOOM a fucking alien due to a fan theory. But I didn't really care for it long. As DOOM has never, and will never be about the story.
ARK's story though is arguably as important at this point as its ever been. (with the more story focused DLC's, and a whole show coming out) So for them to do something like this would need to be 'really' fucking good writing on their end.

[gusty turret]

Helena could already be evil they don't have to do anything with writing

[lament raft]

meh, i like a good twist villain but i dont see helena being one

[gusty turret]

It just depends if you wanna trust literally everything she tells you at face value or if you distrust the person that admits you should distrust her

[bold dove]

@lyric tendon Here's where my convo started.
I wasn't in on the previous discussion anymore.
Dava stated something odd, I interjected with my own point, and we came to a mutual understanding.

[lyric tendon]

Noted

[bold dove]

Keyword is a 'good' one. 🐟
I still remember Big Hero 6.

[lament raft]

was that really a twist villain if you see it coming a mile away?

[bold dove]

Survivor: "Helena, you've caused so much suffering and deat-"
Helena: "NUH-UH!"

[lyric tendon]

Its hard to make Helena a twist villain when Gen 2 made confirmed that Rockwell is far gone

[bold dove]

Sadly, it does still count. Hints why twist villains have a bad wrap.

[sacred gate]

Aberration is the best map lore wise change my mind

[gusty turret]

Helena did kind of just allow Rockwell to take over the ship

Helena is responsible for countless deaths

[lament raft]

i dont think that was intentional

[lyric tendon]

And suddenly we have to trust Helena's Jesus form to stop him?

Hard to inject a "Helena is evil" plot

[gusty turret]

She knew he was alive and well, yet she decided there was no need for any form of containment plan during reseeding plus the link just happened to be open

[lament raft]

did she?

[lyric tendon]

Helena is literally keep calling herself "a dipstick" so yes it is possibly unintentional

[gusty turret]

I mean seeing as she watches us fight him shed know he doesn't die he just dips back in the element

Plus literally being in the ark systems

[lyric tendon]

Inb4 cutscenes update

[lament raft]

i dont think being homo deus makes you suddenly omnipotent

[gusty turret]

Shes in the ark shed know what the overseer was up to

Shes the embodiment of "im in your walls"

[lament raft]

so was rockwell

[gusty turret]

Yeah so shed know he wasn't dead

[lyric tendon]

Rockwell is the overseer of AB before Helena became homo deus

[gusty turret]

Okay?

[lament raft]

and ab is so broken we dont know what either of them could know or see in the system

[lyric tendon]

So no, she didnt know him being constantly revived by the ARk

[gusty turret]

I think its extremely unlikely she wouldn't know

[lyric tendon]

She only know when it's too late and when she became homodeus

[lament raft]

i chalk it up to 'should have double tapped'

[bold dove]

She does state in the Extinction notes that 'she's glad we put his suffering to an end'

[gusty turret]

And the chances she isn't just lying to us are?

[bold dove]

99.9999%

[lament raft]

youd have to show evidence she is lying

taking what she says with a grain of salt is fine and smart

[lyric tendon]

I doubt she lied

But she is still dumb, even as a sentient code

[lament raft]

we learned from the overseers that homo deus are flawed

[bold dove]

Imagine being reincarnated as a computer, and you're still as fucking dumb as a carrot.

[gusty turret]

How would she not know hed survive? She knew he survived the fall into his cavern, shed have to put together the pieces knowing the overseer on the island was back again, she definitely could sniff around the arks she had to be inside to implement respawning suggestions

[lyric tendon]

She is maxed in Inteligence but low on Charisma

[gusty turret]

I think she knew and was just being an idiot hoping hed be better or something

[lament raft]

its a vast planetwide system

[lyric tendon]

She is not even a good lier

She barely knew that she is about to get backstabbed by Rockwell

[lament raft]

theres enough to show plot-convenient oversight

[bold dove]

Reverse.
Max Charisma to be able to allow her idiocy go passed. But so low in intelligence it makes me physically hurt.

[lament raft]

but not enough to show malicious intent

[gusty turret]

Nah nah once you have hundreds of years of no emotions just information flow you're bound to be hella good at manipulation

She has no emotions to show shes lying she is a being based purely in math

[bold dove]

She still has emotions, but they are degrading.

[gusty turret]

I compare homodeus to mindflayers again

[lyric tendon]

Leaving Rockwell to the Tek Tribe rather than accompany him is more on Helena's dumb move to the point she regret leaving him when she heard through the radio that the camp is attacked

[bold dove]

Helena also never checking in on Rockwell was also just a shitty thing to do.

[lyric tendon]

Homo deus are not mindflayers

They are not interested in brains for lunch

[bold dove]

(that wasn't literal)

[gusty turret]

A hyperintelligent being that loses its emotions/soul in exchange for its intelligence and superhuman abilities isn't similar to something that does the exact same thing?

[lament raft]

like i said, plot convenient oversight

[bold dove]

Oh no, I agree that Helena isn't written to be evil currently. She's just a fucking idiot.

[gusty turret]

I don't think any of the new wave of humans have a "soul" to begin with anyways

[lyric tendon]

Isnt mindflayers piority to dominate over other races than improving a race (and that race is human)

[lament raft]

or the writers wrote themselves into a corner and had to fall back on the suddenly dumb hero

[bold dove]

Okay, that's a whole other sandwich to tackle. Cause now we have to ask "what is a soul?" and "do souls exist?"

Which both of those question are currently subjective.

So it makes it hard to discuss about them.

[lament raft]

yeah the soul as a concept doesn't enter into the equation

[gusty turret]

I just think a digitized version of what defines a human isn't the same as that thing that defines a human

At that point you become a piece of code put into a meat flash drive

[lament raft]

if it's the exact same as the previous human, neuron to neuron cell to cell, what's the difference?

[gusty turret]

The fact that you're a digitized being

[bold dove]

Marc stated he always liked Mei and Diana more than Helena.
So, if I have to take a guess. He might've been forced to write Helena as the protagonist.
That, or just the fact he can't write protagonist

[lament raft]

every writer has a weakness somewhere

[bold dove]

Well, Helena is literally no longer considered a Homo-Sapien.

[lyric tendon]

Just because you digitized yourself, doesnt make you smarter

Sure you have an ability to tamper the most powerful technology, but it is still depending on your own choice

[bold dove]

Though, what is means to be human is hella subjective.
But scientifically, humans are any species within the 'hominid' family, if I recall.

[lament raft]

also, with ascension, your character is being broken down into energy and being rebuilt elsewhere, does that mean you died and another person replaced you?

it's hard to answer questions like that with 100% certainty

[gusty turret]

Essentially

[lyric tendon]

Correct, we still have neatherdal (?) DNA in us

[bold dove]

Yerp.

[lament raft]

neanderthal and denisovan

[gusty turret]

You're a new meat flash drive with the memories uploaded into you

[lament raft]

at least, portions of the population and to different degrees

[bold dove]

That's still biologically human.

[gusty turret]

But its not biologically the same human

[bold dove]

If I where to make a human from scratch, they'd still be objectivly human in the biological sense.

[gusty turret]

If you take a ball from a jar and put it in another identical jar its not the same jar

[lyric tendon]

Ngl i am surpized we are still furtile despite hybriding compared to ligers and mules

But anyways

[bold dove]

That's more of a 'are clones the same person?' question then a 'are synthetic humans still humans'

[lament raft]

but if the result is the exact same ball of meat with the same experiences, the same memories, the same mind?

[gusty turret]

Its not the exact same though its a newly synthesized being

[bold dove]

Again, if I where to make a human in a test tube. They'd be objectively human in the biological sense.

[lament raft]

being human just means you can produce viable offspring with another human

[gusty turret]

Remember when that one person said philosophy is dead and no one talks about it anymore

[lyric tendon]

I am feeling like Mei RN when comes to that kind of existential talk about clones

[bold dove]

If they had the exact same DNA, RNA, muscle tissue, bone tissue, braincells, brain function, etc, as a naturally born human. Then they are human.
They're a synthetic human, yes. But still human.

[bold dove]

Raaz, yeah.

[gusty turret]

I like how this entire discussion has real world applications and is philosophy

[bold dove]

Now, I think the question you where meaning to ask is "are clones the same as their originals?"

[lament raft]

internet conversations tend to wander and meander lol

[bold dove]

Which, it depends on the fictional piece.

[gusty turret]

Idk what im talking about when i come here i just say random things to cause discussion cuz otherwise its dead quiet

[lament raft]

there's like two dozen star trek episodes dealing with that question

[gusty turret]

I keep people's brain muscles working

[lament raft]

lol

[bold dove]

If I where to die, and magically I was in a new body in my perspective. Then yes, I'm still me.
Now, if I where to die and that's the end, but this new clone continues their life with my memories, then no they're not me.

[lyric tendon]

We have 2 Ab and 1 ext note about that

[lament raft]

it did help with sitting here waiting for the fireworks to end while my dogs shook nervously beside me

[gusty turret]

But who are you

Define yourself

How would you identify yourself

[bold dove]

Brain function and chemicals.

[gusty turret]

Santiago had no clue until he sniffed around

He thought he was still him

[bold dove]

And if that clone can replicate the exact same brain as I currently have, and transfer my memories, and 'I' myself wake up in this new body, then that's me.

[gusty turret]

But what if you're not you and you're s clone of you that just thinks you're you

[lyric tendon]

Its like comparing a reflection to a clone

I can control my reflection but i cannot control my clone's choices

[bold dove]

In ARK's case, if I recall right. Clones are literally just New Game+ for humans.
The dumb fucking 'engramic matrix' basically makes it that, yes, the clones are a direct continuation of your current consciousness.

In the ARK universe, being cloned is like dying and being resurrected.

Which is fucking boring for writing and world building.
But aye, what do I know. 🤷

Much more interesting if the clones just replicated memories.
Oh wait....it was fucking like that until Genesis-1.

I swear, whoever thought of adding the engramic matrix deserves their pillow to be hard and stiff next time they go to sleep.

[lyric tendon]

Tbh i am fine with it instead of "the ARK is a simulation" theory

It also gives reason why there are people im different eras rather than just the Tek Era only ones

[bold dove]

[gusty turret]

I love how Santiago had been dead for like a week but he was too far gone but Diana had been dead for months-years and she was fine to bring back

[bold dove]

None of that has to do with the engramic matrix.
I can resurrect a modern dead dude, and with a bit more time in technology (50 or even 100 years or so) I can manipulate their memories, and even implant false ones.
That's more realistic and logical then making up a new magical function.

[lyric tendon]

Like how do you even accurately store memories from ming dynasty when recording devices are not invented yet, only questionable written documents (hence the asian history is too bombastic)

[bold dove]

Technically, as long as there's a viable mother/host. We have the means to resurrect hundreds of year old figures.
Difference is, they wouldn't have their memories of course.

[lyric tendon]

So, copying assassin's creed

[gusty turret]

They just put the full movie of mulan in Mei's head

[bold dove]

Yes.
It's far easier and believable to imagine that in a few hundred years with an alien substance, that we can manipulate and even fully fabricate memories.
Lets say with all this AI shit going on, we where able to make AI generated videos, and they're very blurry like real distant memories.
If we get the means to implant those videos into a clones brain, they're going to believe those are their memories.

[lyric tendon]

Tbh that is more lazy writing if you copy the idea from another game (1:1)

Compared to Ab, Ab is supposed to be like movie Aliens but at least they made it different

[bold dove]

Assassins creed didn't invent the concept, and it isn't 1:1.

[gusty turret]

Wait till ubisoft learns they can copyright basic physics like Nintendo does

[bold dove]

Aberration is literally nothing like Aliens.
The only thing that's like it is the bootleg creatures that're inspired by the movie, that aren't the center point of the maps plot.

[lyric tendon]

They dont but they are more well known than ARK or any previous works that use the concept

[bold dove]

Are we going to forget that Marc literally took the protomolecule from The Expanse?
Element is almost near 1:1 to the protomolecule.

[lyric tendon]

I would mention it if i know it

[gusty turret]

Its hard to create an "original" concept

Nothing is 100% original

[bold dove]

It also corrupts humans.
Also, taking something 1:1 isn't lazy writing if it's a basic concept, or you're implemting it in a whole different faction.
I'm literally learning about writing.

And the concept of making clones within an artificial environment to both preserve life and to test for "the chosen one" for a dead wasteland of a Earth from a zombie like virus is also a 1:1 concept of the Maze Runner series.

Then there's the flatout ringworld concept in Genesis-2.

ARK's story is fundamentally "taking what has worked for others and mashing them into one, then changing a few stuff so it isn't purely the same"

Oh, and lets not forget the whole concept of 'big mek vs big monsters' was directly inspired by Pacific Rim.
Which came out the same year Extinction did.

Like it was stated on stream that that whole concept was inspired by Pacific Rim.

[lyric tendon]

Wrong, there are many sentai mechs vs kaiju predates Pacific Rim

But i get it

[gusty turret]

Not to forget the king titan was literally just godzilla

[bold dove]

.

[gusty turret]

Pacific rim slaps though so based

[bold dove]

Well yes, so does everything else I mentioned. Hints why they took inspiration from them.

[gusty turret]

I feel like we could've gone without the ringworld

[bold dove]

Honestly, I have no idea what other concept they could've gone for that would've made sense.

[gusty turret]

Just don't

[bold dove]

With the whole ship idea?

[gusty turret]

Genesis was a waste of time they could've put into making asa and maybe even fully making Atlas finally

Everyone loves pirate stuff an Atlas that wildcard actually cared about would've slapped

[bold dove]

A: ASA wasn't even in their heads at the time.
B: ATLAS wasn't made by them, or even is associated by them outside of one person that was transferred to Grapeshot before going back to Wildcard. Blame the development issues on Snail Games, as they just wanted a quick cashgrab like their other games outside of ARK.
C: If they didn't make Genesis, they wouldn't have the finances to make ASA or even ARK-2. And that'd possibly would've sunk the whole studio.
They admitted they where scraping for money by the time ASA was near release, as their last paid product (Genesis Season-pass) was two years ago.

[gusty turret]

Im not excited for ark 2

[bold dove]

Neither am I, but outside of ASA it is the next reasonable step to keep the company afloat.

[gusty turret]

Also why couldn't they just release more story dlcs like they're gonna do with ASA

[bold dove]

Genesis.

[gusty turret]

An arat prime dlc for ASE would've made a ton

[bold dove]

What difference would an Arat Prime be to the Genesis ones outside of them fucking that location up too?

[gusty turret]

Ummmm no stupid space dolphins that they don't balance because they're not even remotely in touch with their playerbase

The most in touch theyve been with their playerbase was when Vin Diesel got ferox berry taming patched

[bold dove]

Ight, so you're just being biased.

Cause they would've done the same shit on an Arat Prime map.

[gusty turret]

Ehhh i doubt there would've been space dolphins not in space

[bold dove]

As you even stated in your message, the creature isn't the issue. It's the shitty balance.
They would've made something to imbalance the fuck out of the game yet again.

[gusty turret]

But it wouldn't have been a space dolphin that flies mach 50 that two shots people

[bold dove]

I could do the same with a tek suit if I glitched it and had a aimbot.
Your point?

[gusty turret]

Aimbot is bad

[bold dove]

That's....not your point.

[gusty turret]

It definitely is part of it

Cuz that aimbot is a base feature of the creature youd have to actually get aimbot to compare

[bold dove]

Then they would've added another creature that would've done something worse.
Again, you're being biased towards a specific creature. When the issue is Wildcard themselves.

[gusty turret]

Its hard to get worse than that

Basically everyone is biased against that creature

[bold dove]

Yep

[gusty turret]

Add cool creatures from mods that everyone loves? Nahhhhh. Add absolutely busted crack dolphin? Hell yeah😈

I wish the r giga had any lore significance

That thing was so cool for the 5 minutes it was relevant to a mission

Not the r giga but the uhhh

I can't remember what its called now but the reaper giga thing

Experimental giga, thats it

[bold dove]

Experimental Giga

[gusty turret]

Yeahhh i wish that actually did something for the lore instead of just looking cool

[lyric tendon]

It is shown how Rockwell makes his own artificial life via the Gen Sim

It's called "Enviromental Storytelling" There is no need for a note or a voiceline to explain it

[lyric tendon]

Wrong on B when ATLAS was meant to be a DLC rather than a full fledged game, hence the reuse of ARK's source code

Especially now that ATLAS features like the Building System (and the ground texture morph bug) has ported to ASA

[mental basin]

ATLAS wasn't meant to be a DLC.

2024 and that misinfo is still circling, I'm losing my sanity.

[gusty turret]

I think if they released Atlas as the center id be happy

[low briar]

I don't remember that happening in the lore ...

[gusty turret]

I don't remember half the things we talk about here happening in lore

This channel is like a sophisticated version of general but only when the mods aren't looking for an extended period of time

[radiant shadow]

hi

[glad crow]

Sophisticated might be a stretch.

[lament raft]

i'd be upset. i want the center

[raw shell]

Alguém e Br?

[gusty turret]

Nuh uh we all have a braincell, normal general shares a collective braincell

[glad marsh]

anyone know the backstory with the dodorex and dodowyvren ingame not how they were created

and also wondering about the expermintal giga

[bold dove]

Dodorex is only canon within the Genesis simulation.
Dodowyvern currently doesn't exist in the canon.
Experiemntal Giga, as the name applies. Is a experiment that Rockwell was condcuting. Possibly a prototype for what would later be the corrupted survivors.

[glad marsh]

ah

i thought that the dodo rex was apart of the island as the 4th boss before you take on the overseere and same for the wyvren with it being the bridge before you take on the alpha manticore

and with the experiemntal giga was once a abanoded baby giga who had to raise himself up because his mom was killed by bunch of survivors on gen2 and he asked rockwell for more power to wipe out the survivors completely

atleast thats what i belive with those guys

[bold dove]

That is the most outlandish backstory for an animal.

Rockwell is just a psychopath.

[glad marsh]

Fair point

But it’s just what I’ve seen while playing gen2

And yeah Rockwell is a maniac

[bold dove]

I don't know.
Nothing in Gen2, or any previous maps personally gives me the impression that the animals in ARK are intelligent enough to seek vengeance.
Especially if it means being in constant agony that the Experimental Giga was probably in.

[glad marsh]

Yeah

Maybe your right or not who knows with this crackhead game

[gusty turret]

Did the experimental giga even have skin

Or was it just weird meat mucus

[tired mantle]

Probably both columns A and B, a little bit.

It's oddly.. flesh colored.

[dim palm]

why does all media portray the beta implant as yellow when its blue in-game?

[gusty turret]

I don't think the implant colors are canon I think they just like it looking cool

[dim palm]

its blue in game so it makes sense there

id wager theyre canon

[gusty turret]

Id wager they just knew their community would be adhd rats who would want little trinkets for beating bosses

[low briar]

Tekgrams?
Element?
Boss Flags?
New glowy arm rock color?

[wet yew]

Nahh

[fallow sage]

Guys, I think I know why rockWells insane.

[dim palm]

hey guys do yall think theyll add 2 more guardians, an overseer, and a tek cave to scorched earth for asa?

[lyric tendon]

Lore wise, doubt it

It's already set in stone that the Manticore is the ONLY guardian

[dim palm]

where does it say that?

[lyric tendon]

Read the notes

[dim palm]

ive read them, its been a while

[lyric tendon]

Read them again, there is nothing in SE notes stated that there is more than one guardian

[dim palm]

nothing states that there isnt though

[lyric tendon]

"Source: i made that up"

[dim palm]

we all know scorched was a rushed project

it literally didnt even have an ascension till the end of ark se's life

[lyric tendon]

Because people demanded an ascension and that is what we got

[dim palm]

we know it has an overseer and a tek cave, so why dont we fight them to ascend? why do we ascend only after beating just a single guardian?

[lyric tendon]

Not even in SE notes ever mentioned anyone facing SE's overseer, only the Island and Ab

[dim palm]

okay... but why wouldnt we,,,?

[lyric tendon]

because lore

[dim palm]

?

that.. makes no sense

[lyric tendon]

Adding nonexistent guardians and overseer battle when the notes barely mentioned any

It makes no sense adding them for no reason aside from gameplay ≠ lore

[dim palm]

they could always add notes though?

[lyric tendon]

The original writer is not there to make it consistant

How do you think Genesis is far removed from the main 4 ARK stories

[dim palm]

what are you even talking about

[lyric tendon]

Welcome to Lore Nerds

[dim palm]

im just saying they should add em

[lyric tendon]

Mods exist, no need to change the story for the sake of extra content

[dim palm]

what? why shouldnt they?

it makes more sense anyways

its weird that we dont fight the overseer in scorched, its weird theres only one guardian, its weird that we cant access the tek cave

its the odd one out

[lyric tendon]

Because Lore reason

[dim palm]

aberration has a reason that we cant do that

okay whats the lore reason then

[lyric tendon]

There is only one guardian, that is it

If you want to add more, just mod it

[dim palm]

i know that

im saying why shouldnt they improve the lore?

[lyric tendon]

Because the original writer is no longer working in the game

[dim palm]

okay? whats the problem?

[lyric tendon]

It takes a good writer to shove in an existing story someone else made

So far, none of the "shove ins" like the chronicles are good

Dont get me started with the animated series

[dim palm]

i liked genesis

genesis is good

and those are opinions, yours and mine are objective

[lyric tendon]

Yet not having other guadians or Tek Cave in SE is a fact

Unless they made a good shove in extra notes that isn't breaking the canon, i doubt there will be any

How do you think you somehow ascended after you beat the only guardian

[dim palm]

there is a tek cave in scorched earth...

also thats my point- it makes zero sense for you to ascend after beating a guardian. youre supposed to ascend after beating an overseer

[lyric tendon]

Well "being ascended after beating a guardian" is canon now

[dim palm]

it wasnt until they added it. my point is that they can still change stuff

[dim palm]

you said it would be good if they added stuff without breaking the canon, but ascending after beating a guardian breaks the canon

by your logic them adding an overseer, guardians and a tek cave wouldnt break canon

[lyric tendon]

Yet they never add a tek cave

When what they did is just going a terminal, no overseer battle mentioned

[dim palm]

there IS a tek cave on scorched, we just cant access it

[lyric tendon]

Yes but both Helena and Rockwell never did an overseer battle before ascending to Ab

[dim palm]

i recall that they didnt ascend

[lyric tendon]

Ascension is just a form of transferring

[dim palm]

its canon that after ascending from the island you go to scorched, then after that you go to the next ark, but we were pulled to aberration instead

[lyric tendon]

Yep you never read the notes

[dim palm]

if rockwell and helena ascended they wouldnt have gone to aberration

[lyric tendon]

They did

They choose to go to Ab

[bold dove]

ASA is a remake/remaster.
They could change the existing lore at any moment if they decide to.

[bold dove]

Not always.
As seen with Mei, she skipped Scorched.

[dim palm]

ah

did rockwell and helena ascend? i thought they didnt? @bold dove

[bold dove]

They did.
Helena accidently picked Scorched, which brought her and Rockwell to the ARK.
Afterwards, Rockwell himself intentionally picked Aberration since he saw rivers full of Element.

[dim palm]

okay let me rephrase it, did they fight a boss to ascend?

[bold dove]

Helena didn't, but Rockwell did enter the Manticore's arena and allowed everyone else to kill it.

[dim palm]

okay thats what i thought

i know they "ascended" as in transferring to another ark, but i was talking specifically about killing a boss to ascend. thank you

i really do hope they add 2 more guardians, a tek cave, and an overseer fight to scorched earth

i find it weird how scorched is the only ark that doesnt have that

@bold dove do you hope they do anything, add anything, or change anything for scorched earth?

it has so much potential... if they do it right it could be one of THE BEST maps

[bold dove]

I hope the entire map is completely remade to actually be good and wont be outdated to all hell after a year.

[dim palm]

HAHA thats a good thing to hope for

i heard somewhere that theyre adding more caves, so thats something to look forward to! :]

[bold dove]

Kind of fucked up that Aberration came out after Scorched for paid DLC's, which hella outshines Scorched.
If they can make the environments stick out more, and give some mechanic or two exclusive to the map to actually make me want to play it, than that's solid enough.
Currently, any desert biome on any other map looks leagues better then Scorched, and everything that's useful on Scorched is just on better maps.

[dim palm]

agreed

and hey if they do add more bosses that means we will probably get more tekgrams

the tekgrams on scorched are basically useless

but yeah aberration does outshine scorched. its leagues better

[bold dove]

I think it'd be kind of interesting if they added a procedurally generated dungeon to the map.
Something that once enter, it'll teleport you to a whole new instance that's always random.
Add some good loot to that, and possibly an artifact you need. And that's enough of a unique mechanic to bring back players.
Akin to the OSD's on Extinction.

[dim palm]

that would be interesting

like a cave that the overseer is constantly changing

we know it can already alter terrain

[bold dove]

Yep.
Just something to allow the map to be unique.

[dim palm]

yeah... it does feel very bland

i would say they could add sulfur fields to scorched but extinction already has that

[bold dove]

Yeah, cause everything has been ported over to better maps.
There's no point in going there anymore.

[dim palm]

maybe a volcanic area?

yeah its so sad

it has a lot of potential

i just feel like its hard and easy at the same time

the boss is easy as hell and theres only one

theres no big bad to grind up to kinda like the overseer on the island

[bold dove]

Technically the trench?
Though I see no reason why you can't have a sulfur field on another map.
Extinction is the culmination of the entire ARK (as in the stations) storyline.
So adding earlier on mechanics/biomes to what would become something grander could work.

[dim palm]

yeah, i think it needs variation

dont get me wrong i love the idea of a whole desert ark, but it needs more biomes

[bold dove]

As much as I grew up with Scorched.
Putting nostalgia to the side, it has one of the shittiest environments.
Every biome looks the same, and the only color pallete on the map is 'orange' and 'yellow'

If they can add some brown and grey than that'd add a lot of color to the map.

[dim palm]

maybe it could have an underground area like ab, (not looking like it ofc) but not as big? maybe a giant volcanic lava pit or something?

a volcano would be good too

[bold dove]

Almost like a hell-like biome?

[dim palm]

sulfur fields

[bold dove]

Could be interesting.

[dim palm]

yeah, basically that!

[bold dove]

There's old concept art for Aberration of having the red zone being filled with lava instead of Element.

[dim palm]

im glad its element 😂

[bold dove]

They could take inspiration from those scrapped concept pieces.

[bold dove]

Oh yeah, no. It looks much better.
But the general point of a burnt, dark cave filled with lava is what the art was portraying.

[dim palm]

if youve ever played subnautica think of the inactive and active lava zones

[bold dove]

Can I dm you some of the concept art?

[dim palm]

absolutely! id love that

[bold dove]

That's the type of environment I was thinking of.

But yeah, reusing that concept art for Scorched for a small underground hell-like biome could be interesting.

[dim palm]

something that could be interesting is something like the SUMP from gen2

like a giant water reservoir under scorched's desert

it could be the source of water from the watering holes and stuff

@bold dove

[bold dove]

That may work.
But I think more lava would suit the map better than water.

[dim palm]

why not both? 🤷‍♂️ one side could have a reservoir and the other could be under a volcano

[tired mantle]

I've never been a fan of Ark's sudden bottomless pits in like the Island and SE caves.

[gusty turret]

Yeahhh im not too sure that one makes all that much sense

I get its supposed to be like parkour stuff but i feel like bottomless pits that just eat all of your items on death isn't the most immersion friendly way to do anything

Just use gas that damages through anything or water that does that, theres absolutely no reason to have bottomless pits besides just making caves an objectively not as fun experience

That also applies to instakill lava, nobody wants instakill lava even if it is realistic or anything

I know i just contradicted myself by saying bottomless pits aren't immersion friendly and that it doesn't matter if lava isn't immersion friendly but its d i f f e r e n t

[low briar]

They're not bottomless 🤔
They have bottoms with stalagmites, implying if you fell in you'd get impaled and die

[arctic bison]

i thought the sounds of death implied as much, bc if you fall into a bottomless pit you're gonna fall forever

[dim palm]

I’m kinda disappointed with ascender’s ascension… it just doesn’t have the same soul the original did… it seems so lame in comparison. Maybe it’s the effects it has? Idk, but it’s missing something

[gusty turret]

Yes but you can take a bite from a rex and not die instantly so why should some pointy rocks kill you instantly

[dim palm]

Gravity idk 🤷‍♂️

[gusty turret]

Yeahhh but big lizards with an unholy biting power

[thorn ore]

nah gravity go brrr

[gusty turret]

Sarcos definitely should instakill

[thorn ore]

oh yeah a better example wouldve been the lava in the volcano
who would instakill?

liquid rock
vs.
pointy rock

[gusty turret]

Realistically neither

It depends where you got impaled though

[gusty turret]

Especially if you're wearing full iron plated armor

It may hurt like a bastard but you aren't gonna die

And its not even like its the falling that kills you its literally just a killbox that if you touch at all you're gone

Post genesis lava was the best lava they made

Mmmm hot tub

[bold dove]

All story-map lavas don't insta kill

[gusty turret]

Oh i thought the islands did

I was always under the impression it did rag scared me too bad

[bold dove]

Nah.
It does have the deathpits though in the Skylord cave.

[gusty turret]

I don't know where what caves are but the one on the bottom right i was always convinced that lava was instakill ive never seen anyone touch it so i figured that was a safe bet not to touch

They need to make a lorebook of the tribes from the island i bet a lot of people would buy that

Media doesn't make the cool guide/lorebooks anymore like it used to

Fnaf does and it rocks it every single time

Getting little mini chronicles of lore published and stuff would be sick

[lament raft]

eh, there's a difference between lore stuff and gameplay. in the lore Rockwell found an artifact by himself in a cave

and Mei KO tamed a rock drake

[gusty turret]

Was that in response to the lava thing or the lorebook thing

[tired mantle]

The lava isn't instant kill but it does remove like a major chunk of player health and damages whatever shoulder pet you have present [so dipping into lava is liable to kill your lava cave otter.]

[lament raft]

kinda both

and the lava does 75 damage per tick i think

i've fallen in the lava cave a few times...

[stiff loom]

I fell in the instant death pit on skylord once. I wasn’t expecting to die after doing it countless times so I went in with full tek and my best gear. While flying my last element was used and I fell in. I was so mad that I spawned it all back in.

[lament raft]

i've died to the bats several times, i haven't died to the spikes once

[gusty turret]

L skill issue

Idk if a majority of people in this server just can't read or what possible justification they could have for complaining in the lore channel

If they found out the forums exist and the devs aren't going to fix something from a random discord message they'd go into shock

Itd be like taking Rockwell to Hooters

You know that man would have a heart attack immediately

[stiff loom]

I’m not complaining I’m just telling a dumb story about me in my noob days

[gusty turret]

Im talking about the other guy

[stiff loom]

Ohh ok 👍

[gusty turret]

The one complaining about alpha dragon or whatever

[stiff loom]

Another noob story: I was in the middle of alpha dragon, get one shot off my Yuty, turns out I forgot to put on armor after taking of fur armor

[lament raft]

probably thinking that by spamming it everywhere someone will notice

[stiff loom]

Well we notice, but not like anybody’s gonna do anything about it

[bronze turtle]

Why Helena so fine

[stiff loom]

Kind of like on dododex all the console players spamming the abcs on the crystal Wyvern queen tips section to get updates faster, even dododex is not made by wildcard

[gusty turret]

Shes not

[rigid grove]

Can bring it back to lore

[dim palm]

i hope the manticore in asa gives unique tekgrams that you cant get from the other guardians

kinda like how each guardian gives different tekgrams and they dont overlap