lore-nerdz

[drifting robin]

My router doesn’t shut off though

[thorn ore]

have to get out of bed early today so im logging off now
bye

[drifting robin]

Bye Gn

[floral sedge]

Ark mobile dinos have implants. Their babies are also born with them. Does this mean that if a survivor had a baby they would also be born with one?

[tender wasp]

In the pc/Box/PS/Switch Version Dinos have No Implant. They are genetically altered to be more obient and a reason Humans can tame them.

[thorn ore]

W lore

[floral sedge]

[gilded shuttle]

[frail bronze]

I just think we should have more lore about the implant and how it works. It would be interesting

[bold dove]

We do

[low briar]

But mooooore

[sand gorge]

Yo how is extinction not like the lava biome in gen 1? It's tidally locked

[tough crag]

I want a explanation for it changing with ascension

[bold dove]

They don't, canonically.

[tough crag]

R.i.p

[tired mantle]

They may not have before Helena became like Supreme simulation overseer lady because all the other homo-deus went off to play Doctor Manhattan.

In theory, two of us exist. One of us staying home, on extinction/earth; the other one is in Gen-1/Gen-2.. unless Helena terminated that body so we'd wake up on the genesis ship.. which I don't think she'd do, given how benevolent she usually is, but it makes you wonder. Santiago talked about the possibility of there being multiple survivor engram iterations living/alive at the same time, so there's a very real possibility the survivor that woke up on the island went on to live in extinction.. but then the question gets asked; is the genesis-sim/gen-2 character our original body/character/iteration after all this time?

[floral sedge]

They left us to decide (might change with the upcoming dlc for asa)
So I'm just gonna assume it's the original

[river mauve]

Lmao

[limber valley]

Two clones, same person.

I personally think that Helena copied your memories from your ARK Survivor & implanted them into your Genesis Survivor.

Hence why you share engrams & explorer notes across worlds, it's simply a copy of your original survivor after extinction.

I'd like to think your survivor is still living on Earth though. It's fitting.

[bold dove]

This is why it's up to the player to decide if the Genesis Survivor is the same or not.
Both routes can suit whatever personal headcanon you have with your own survivor.

[limber valley]

Ah well, The cave murals in Ark 2 (likely authored by the now castaway Survivor from Genesis) feature an Obelisk...
So I'd say that them being completely different people is out of the question though.

Just a thought

It's just if they are the EXACT same person, or another clone

[bold dove]

That doesn't mean anything.
A: it's just a mural for the trailer. It has no meaning other then 'it's cool.' Which is a very Wildcard thing to do.
B: Santiago, Mei-Yin, and Diana all saw Obelisks and the King-Titan.

[limber valley]

Very true on option B.

Option A I'm less on board about, that's a pretty big clue to just be trailer exclusive.

(The trailers have given us information before, like how the live action trailer for Aberration showed us that Wildcard made a horrible mistake & accidentally swapped the Shinehorns & Bulbdog Spawns and have failed to acknowledge it despite evidence that points that it is a bug.)

[bold dove]

When did Bulbdogs spawn in the biolum zone?

[limber valley]

In the trailers & pre release footage

Not to mention their stat allocations, appearance, & mushroom preference

[bold dove]

The trailer with the Bulbdog in the biolum zone can easily be either cut content. Or they just didn't give a fuck of their placement.

You're looking far too deep into something that wasn't intended to be analyzed.
They made those live-action trailers cause 'they where cool.'

[limber valley]

True, however, it still really does irke me though.

Especially the Mushroom preference & stats problem.

[limber valley]

That's my job, making schizophrenic connections is my jam

[bold dove]

Do you get paid?

[limber valley]

Volunteer work, I guess, I pay myself in dopamine

[bold dove]

I'm sorry for your loss.

[limber valley]

Ah well, I'm content with my existence.

Still I really want to share the stats thing.

[limber valley]

So, looking at all of the lightpets, you'll notice that some have better stats than others.

At level one for each creature, the stat allocations for the lightpet unique stats [Chargelight Range, Recharge, & Capacity] are different between them.

They can be separated into "high, "medium", & "low" for all three stats.

Now, here's the allocations for all 4 Aberrant Lightpets:

Shinehorn
Capacity: Average
Recharge: Average
Range: Average

Bulbdog
Capacity: Proficient
Recharge: Poor
Range: Average

Glowtail
Capacity: Poor
Recharge: Proficient
Range: Average

Featherlight
Capacity: Poor
Recharge: Average
Range: Proficient

From this, you can see 4 things.

1: The Shinehorn is the "Jack of all Trades" in this list.

2: The others have genuine drawbacks for their Proficiencies, helping their niches to become more pronounced.

3: There are genuine gaps in the allocation chart that could be fun to see in the actual game or in mods.
(My idea is a high recharge, low range cat that emits it's charge light from it's eyes, it's just an idea though. Plz no steal 🥺, the Felinoculuminus is my idea, and I want to make it myself)

4: The Bulbdog is WAY too practical when compared to the rest, dare I say, OP.

And the fact it's available in the STARTING ZONE is a cause for concern.

There's also the Mushroom clue, Each mushroom seems to represent an environment in Aberration.

Aggeravic Mushroom: Fertile Zone

Aquatic Mushroom: Bioluminescent Zone

Auric Mushroom: Caves

Ascerbic Mushroom: Elemental Zone

You can see where the dissonance comes in, the Shinehorn likes the Aggeravic Mushrooms (Brown Mushrooms), and the Bulbdog likes the Aquatic Mushrooms (Blue Mushrooms).

Am I crazy? Or is this just a little weird?

Yeah, no I'm definitely insane.

But you can see what I mean... right...

...right...?

@bold dove thoughts?

[bold dove]

I ain't reading all of that.
I'm happy for you!
Or sorry that happened.

[limber valley]

Thanks...

Very cool

[limber valley]

TTS exists

[bold dove]

I ain't listening to robo-asmr

[safe swift]

ayo

[gusty turret]

I think Helena actually died on the island and Mei is the one who ascended

[dusky spruce]

@bold dove you suck

[bold dove]

No U

[dusky spruce]

Not the one who just got utterly proven wrong

[bold dove]

About?

[thorn ore]

na bro
Neither diana nor mei died on the island

[limber valley]

Helena definitely did not die, resurrection was not a thing yet, if you died, YOU WERE DEAD.

In fact, Revival was her idea and she made it a really once she ascended into a Homo Deus.

I find it more interesting that the two scientists that stood by in the conflict were sent to Scorched Earth, whereas the two Warlords ascended to Aberration (or at least, one of them did, I don't know why Nerva's corpse got there too, but I guess he was still breathing when he ascended).

[thorn ore]

Maybe her sword still in his body caused nerva to be teleported as well

[limber valley]

Sister straight up put Nerva in her inventory 🤣

[gusty turret]

Baldurs gate 3 moment

[thorn ore]

exactly

[thorn ore]

I mean he was dead at the latest when he got burned to a crispity crunchy munchie crackerjack snacker nibbler snap crack n pop westpoolchestershireshire queen's lovely jubily delight by the sun

[delicate escarp]

Anyone find the little vodoo doll in the pack cave?

[limber valley]

Yep, it's an Easter Egg for Rassclark & Aaron Longstaff.

They are brothers IRL, and their voodoo dolls are also brothers.

We haven't found Aaron's yet though...

[summer stone]

Wait they’re actually brothers? That’s kinda cool. I watch both of them every once in a while and I had no idea

[limber valley]

They had a bit of a Sibling Competition in last year's Extra Life Stream.

Rass is really trying to hone his skills with the new building system to win this year's (yes he won last year too)

[tired mantle]

Some real life ark lore today 😅

[limber valley]

Honestly, it was more surprising to hear that Doug Doug & Davey Wreden (The creator of "The Stanley Parable") are brothers.

@summer stone ↑

[thorn ore]

im sorry
WHAT

[delicate escarp]

damn didnt know that, ill be on the lookout for the other brothers doll

[smoky olive]

C

[frank cape]

how tall is dreadnoughtus compared to titanosaur

[dim mortar]

Mmmm idk but bigger

I don't actually think they've said

[lament raft]

the dossier shows it facing the ice titan

but no clue on how accurate that is until we get a scaled model for it

[lyric tendon]

got a screenshot?

[bronze turtle]

Why is on extinction an Ice Titan? The only ice on earth is in this proto ARK. Isnt that a bit small for that thing? Why should something evolve for such a small space?

[floral sedge]

aren't the titans made of element or at least made by it?

[bronze turtle]

yes

[bold dove]

Cause funny.
Nah, what it actually probably is, is the Titan's adapted to their original habitats.
I.E, Ice Titan was formed in the arctic proto-ARK. Forest titan was formed within a forest, etc.
Element, and in turn Corruption, is a very adaptive substance.

[uneven drum]

I have "Lost/Timedout..." !!!!!!!

!

!

[bronze turtle]

I hope a titan return in Ark 2 and becoming the main Antagonist

[bold dove]

Doubtful.
They're all dead by the end of Extinction, and it requires a shit ton of Corruption on the planet (to the point of pollution) that it'd be a dying planet.
Also, reusing Antagonists without a good reasoning is a poor writing technique.

[uneven drum]

!

[bronze turtle]

But what happens to the sleeping corrupted survivors In the biopod is a mystery ( in the gen 1 ending cinematic)

And human biopod is ejected from the ship in the end cinematic of gen 2.
Futur antagonist ? Maybe

[bold dove]

Those I believe turned into the Corrupted Survivors, which are seen in the Gen2 boss fight. (which get nuked with Rockwell)

[bold dove]

No, all of those pods where on the Eden-ring, which was untouched by Rockwell.

[bronze turtle]

But in the gen 1 cinematic. The survivor wake up whit normal survivor. But we can see a women be corrupted by élément in the biopod 🤔

[bold dove]

I said what happened above.
Reread

Especially since we saw the fact that section we woke up on was part of the ship that blew up.

[bronze turtle]

Ah okay

[bronze turtle]

I think it would be pretty lame if in Ark 2 its also about element and rockwell stuff, we had enough of that xD

I wonder why the girl in Ark 2 has a implant? Because peopel on the genesis ship should not have implants

[floral sedge]

I mean in ark mobile babies have implants so I gues they can work with that 🤷

[bronze turtle]

Is Ark mobile canon?

[pliant wyvern]

I just realized Clair Cameron Patterson and Santiago are almost parallel with each other.
Clair Cameron Patterson: introduced lead to gasoline which killed thousands of people(lead poisoning), and he also created Freon which destroyed the ozone(global warming)
Santiago: Weaponized element which polluted earth and element stayed on earth for a long time, just like lead, it stays in the environment for many years

[limber valley]

Also no, Genesis Survivors do have implants.

It's just the fact that the Homo-Deus Implant completely removes it from your arm.

[sand gorge]

So if there were multiple Santiago's what happened to the one that went to extinction?

[floral sedge]

Iirc There are only two. During the element wars Santiago died. They cloned him twice, (One for abberation and the other on the genesis ship). The one on aberration died on extinction

[sand gorge]

Oh thanks

[limber valley]

There technically was a third, but that loose end was tied up by the end of his notes on Gen 2

[pallid plank]

can someone sum up the explorer notes on gen 2 for me yt doesnt help much and when i try to read them i dont know the order and they are too small to see

[limber valley]

The Santiago notes are archived logs from Earth.

The Naia notes are right before & during Gabriel's notes.

HL-NA (and Rockwell's) notes are during gameplay.

You can also toggle subtitles if you can't read the data-pads.

Subtitles being the same way you can read notes in foreign languages

(The notes of Mei Yin Li & Nerva come to mind as they are originally written in Medieval Chinese & Roman respectively)

[pallid plank]

ok thanks

[bronze turtle]

Gabriel die in the note of gen 2 ?

[thorny raven]

what you all think about ASA taking place earlier in the over all story? there seems to be allot of places that look diffrent in ASA that do seem to be early

like the land bridges, expanded ruins, and stuff

[limber valley]

I think it's more or so fleshing out previous areas, for example, we will likely see The New Legion's fort in the Animated Series, so why not actually represent it in the game.

[limber valley]

Yes, they both die, Rockwell literally kills them.

It's like being surprised the college students die in Aberration

[thorny raven]

thats very likely but some things stand out. like at south 2. there are rocks in the water below the cliff in ASE but in ASA there is a small pillar/hill on the cliff and no rocks in the water

[bronze turtle]

Is known how many ARKs are in the orbit of earth?

And how got these heavy pieces of metal and dirt got in to space?

[thorn ore]

A: no
B: science

[bronze turtle]

Okay xD

[vagrant badger]

dm me if you want to jown my server

[limber valley]

Wrong channel

[limber valley]

Approximately less than 500

The pillars are the main propulsion source for the Arks.

[upper lotus]

@tranquil crystal

[dense ravine]

when will the other explorer notes be voiced?

like nerva and li mei-yin

[dense ice]

Probably never officially. Unless they do.

[limber valley]

Do you think you'll actually ever use the new ruins if you ever do a remastered notes voiceover video?

[dense ice]

Do they have any significance?

[limber valley]

The fort at Far's Peak likely is where The New Legion were based.

Some of the ruins in the snow could likely be the villages Mei Yin Li came across early in her travels.

I do understand that because they are ruins, you probably won't use them anyway, but it's just a thought

[limber valley]

I have a question, how large is a "10 latitude by 10 longitude square" on the Island map?

I'm doing a little bit of math, and would like to make a visualization to post on the subreddit

[bronze turtle]

Thats a good question! I would like it if you would share your result here:)

[pulsar wasp]

So i noticed something about the obelisks in ASA

Instead of blue, the element “veins” inside are purple, like corruption

Any idea why?

[lament raft]

aesthetic choice?

[median notch]

this must be the nerd channel

[thorn ore]

it indeed is

[main mural]

don't the obelisks clean corruption? that could be why I know very little lore tho lol.

[mental basin]

Source?

[floral sedge]

I'm guessing the Extinction cutscene as the arks come down. And the only one that crashes is abberation (the only one with a broken pillar lol)

[mental basin]

My point is that there is none xd

That was just a random number pulled out of the infinite void

[mental basin]

The ARKs themselves purify corruption, and the power seems to originate from the pillars surrounding their respective biodomes, in connection to the Overseer Arena. The Obelisks are described to be observation devices, which possess the ability to, to an extent, change the biodome's interior at will.

Now, how you purify Element using Element is another question. :trol:

[gusty turret]

Theres definitely more to the obelisks than just observation and smiting, probably something to do with magnetic fields blah blah blah

Why is there a theme of 3 obelisks per map

Technically extinction has 4 if you wanna count the collapsed one but

Why is 3 the special number

[subtle blade]

Idk

[smoky locust]

Compass gotta triangle

[thorn ore]

Where would you put a fourth in the

[lament raft]

possible explanation, you need 3 points of reference to properly triangulate a position

each obelisk could work with the Ark's systems in pinpointing where to spawn something in as well as keeping track of survivor implants

[thorn ore]

Lorewise, this

when not looking at it from a lore based perspective it could be for a lot if reasons

[drifting robin]

I think bc on island there’s 3 bosses

In single you can start every boss from only one 1 obilisk

And after that I think they just sticked with the idea

[sand gorge]

It's not surprising that anyone dies in aberration, Helena and her group are lucky they even made it out

[gusty turret]

That makes sense

I've seen Minecraft speedrunners do it with only 2😈

[thorn ore]

i can do without

[limber valley]

I said less than 500 because the graphic we see around the Earth (the Hexagon Shield is representative of each Ark Station in orbit)

It's not above 500, but I could not be assed to check the amount of intersections on that shield.

[mental basin]

I assumed that's what you did, but we've seen so many different variations of that field, that a guess of 500 is as good as a guess of 1,247.

Inconsistencies.

[limber valley]

Hell, it's not even consistent whether the Hexagons themselves represent ARKs or the intersections between the Hexagons are the ARKs.

[frank cape]

are you the guy from youtube? but how did the arks in ab get destroyed

[limber valley]

The previous survivors literally Nuked the Overseer.

And yes, that is THE Nedry The Pasta himself

[frank cape]

what did the overseer look like

[fallow sapphire]

the same as the one on the island

[gusty turret]

I think its the intersections

Solely because that would mean an ark is only adjacent to 3 other arks

Following the whole theme of 3

[atomic vine]

Was the overseer always looked like the thing on your survivors arm or was the overseer used to be a survivor but something transformed him the to be the way he is now

[rigid breach]

the overseer is actually a lgbtq alphabet warrior

he also enjoys cupcakes

[gusty turret]

Tbh if overseer was anything it would be genderfluid since it just kinda morphs

[median notch]

DX

[dreamy breach]

Ooooooooooh

Fr tho

[thorn ore]

[mental basin]

It always looked like an Implant. Not that it is one, it's just a repeating structural pattern.

They Oversee the ARKs. If you want more info, watch the entire story explained video by Ned. I wrote the first third of it.

At least before the first part was changed on my recommendation kekeke

[atomic vine]

I see that makes sense

[edgy violet]

Yeah prolly

[heavy citrus]

I have a lore question why do the obelisk have element and Rockwell like tendrils in the center of it I know the obs got a visual upgrade

[limber valley]

It's just element, not Rockwell tentacles.

It's still odd that it has purple highlights, and not blue.

Element naturally grows in tendril like structures

[heavy citrus]

Yea it threw me off I was thinking they were trying to ret con something

[limber valley]

I personally just think they were trying something new.

Not much else

[gusty turret]

Cool lore MarcoRamos97

[crimson nymph]

@gusty turret

[limber valley]

Once again, wrong channel

[crimson nymph]

Could you tell me what channel I could go on?

@limber valley

[limber valley]

#bobs-with-probs

The place where people with problems with the game go to get help...

[crimson nymph]

Thanks

[blissful glade]

I wonder/hope that we will see some kind of boss in the form of post extinction survivor

In ark 2 that is

As I very much love the way the lore of ark is set up, this would help us get that nice click of events

[bold dove]

Why?
That seems pointless for the current direction they're going with the writing.

[blissful glade]

That seems fair. I just would love it as like a boss fight or something, as the 2 sides of the story line up at a point

[bold dove]

A: The whole point is that it's up to the player to decide if the survivor from Genesis 1-2 are the same survivor. And it'd contradict that point if they added the Extinction survivor as a boss.
B: How would they travel across the galaxy to reach Arat?

[blissful glade]

I have no idea.

I guess if instead of a boss, it would be like a warning for the survivor, a way to learn from the past not to deal with this crazy alien threat. That would explain the more primitive style of Ark 2

I would imagine that this would be more like avoiding the threat type game

[bold dove]

That's Santiagos role. As he invented most of of the tek weapons the world used to destroy itself.

[gusty turret]

Yeah you literally just stated Vindiagos whole plot purpose😭

So nows time for a good question, is Vin Diesel canon in the Ark universe or is he replaced by Vindiago now

Who would win in a fight Vin Diesel or Vindiago

[bold dove]

Fist fight?
Vin Diesel, cause Santiago (at least in the Extinction notes) is a pretty averagely built man.
If they where able to use everything at their disposal? Santiago, as he'd just use a mek, and wouldn't need time to train in it unlike Vin Diesel, since he made it.

[gusty turret]

But Vin Diesel has family

And maybe the real family were the meks we made along the way

[bold dove]

Squash

Mek moment

[gusty turret]

I don't see what gourds have anything to do with this

[bold dove]

[gusty turret]

What if one of Vin Diesels cars is a transformer, i think that beats a mek

[bold dove]

Like, sure.
Until the mek shoots its plasma pistol that's most likely hella hot. Or even shoots it's comically large cannon on its back.

[gusty turret]

But the transformers also have comically large weapons

[bold dove]

Or fuck it, just use the M.O.M.I module to just become 20x larger then most transformers.

[gusty turret]

Optimus Prime would whoop a mek

[bold dove]

Man has died three times.

A fourth is soon to come if he fights a mega mek.

[gusty turret]

I think you're speaking in his favor saying hes died multiple times

[bold dove]

Yes, permanently in different canons.

[gusty turret]

What about the uhhh devastator

The big ugly fella

[bold dove]

He's around the same size as the Ice Titan.
Soooo..... the mega mek can just football kick him.

[gusty turret]

He'll suck the mega meks toes off

[bold dove]

Worthy foe.
While being stabbed by a skyscraper sized sword.

[gusty turret]

What if it sucks its toes off first though and it just falls over

[bold dove]

Wait, actually he's a bit smaller then the Ice Titan.
That's fucking funny.

[gusty turret]

How big are the meks actually in canon

Cuz we know the king titan is like dwarfed in game

[bold dove]

Well, I'm going with the mega mek. Which is the same size as the King Titan

[gusty turret]

And theres also like the whole transformer planet thing that'd definitely win

[bold dove]

For reference, the ice titan is apparently 253 feet tall, while Devastator is 100 feet tall.

[gusty turret]

I think devastator wins that fight

[bold dove]

That's a decepticon, which Vin would 100% have an autobot with him.

[gusty turret]

What if it's lying though they do that

[bold dove]

Also, the King Titan is apparently canonically 883 feet tall.
He's basically a bit smaller then Godzilla Earth.

[bold dove]

Man literally eats planets iirr.

That ain't so pog for an autobot to do.

[gusty turret]

Humans eat the planet all the time

[bold dove]

We eat one planet, which is ours.
Man eats other peoples planets.

[gusty turret]

I don't think we own the planet

I also think if we had the means we would eat other people's planets

[bold dove]

Oh we 100% would.
Also, there's nothing saying we don't 'not' own the planet. And we're by the end of the day an apex predator that no other species on this planet can defeat due to our intelligence.

[gusty turret]

Yeah but like if you hijack a car and theres no one else in the car to stop you does it make it your car

Technically it does actually

Cuz laws are just something we made up so beyond that it's basically yours

[bold dove]

Yes

And if we hyjack that car and we madeup a little game called 'laws' that we all universally (most people) agree with. Then yes, that car is now ours.

[gusty turret]

Fair enough

What if Vin Diesel attacks Vindiago in his sleep though

[bold dove]

Cowards move.

[gusty turret]

Not true

[hexed chasm]

Can anyone tell me, if in Ark extinction, the King Titan stopped the Planet's Rotation and was it true?

[kindred tide]

It got put into a tidal lock, it means that the revolving time of the earth is the day and night cycle

[limber valley]

The sheer weight of the element did

[obtuse saffron]

Turning energy into mass ought to have some consequences

[gusty turret]

It does?

Its like extremely energy intensive to convert energy into mass

[low briar]

Magic space rock go brrrrrrr

[gusty turret]

Exactly

Its potent enough its literally capable of self replication

[tired mantle]

It's a futuristic meta-material. It was not originally that way by design, at least, I do not think. Man made it that way.

[thorn ore]

gotta extinguish your nick

i thought it always was corruptive
actually im pretty sure thats the case

[gusty turret]

Im pretty sure we can see how much its spread in gen 2 its literally everywhere

So much so that theres space faring organisms that feed on it

[limber valley]

It's natural, I think our usage of it for war & genetic modification... Left an impression on it though.

Nature vs Nurture style.

[pallid plank]

How did the element get on the earth

[arctic bison]

on an asteroid

[pallid plank]

Oh ye thx

[swift lily]

Why didn’t Jupiter take it?

Or was it like the Dinosaurs and Jupiter flung the asteroid at us?

[thorn ore]

its not described

also there is a chance jupiter doesnt munch an incoming asteroid

[lament raft]

also possible that the element itself simply avoided jupiter

[thorn ore]

dont think the element could influence the trajectory of the asteroid

i mean its not like it grew thrusters

[lament raft]

there's been some evidence in lore that there's an inherent intelligence/malignancy to raw Element

not saying it could have grown thrusters, i'm saying that using the properties of element (aka, pull whatever use you need out of it), it could have distorted space around itself or something to avoid jupiter and head to the only planet in the system with intelligent life

i mean the odds of the one element asteroid showing up in our system, and hitting the only planet with people capable of using/spreading it are astronomical

[gusty turret]

Not necessarily

Do you know how many big rocks hit each other to even form the Earth

[lament raft]

billions of years ago yes, but those have cleared up and the leftovers are largely in the asteroid belt

though the element asteroid would have likely come from outside the solar system

[bold dove]

Like....it literally could've. 💀

[lament raft]

element is basically ark's version of space magic

[tired mantle]

hell, proto-mars hit the earth and that's why we have a moon.

[gusty turret]

Not if the element was on Earth all along which i still think it probably was‼️‼️‼️

[lament raft]

the lore says element came from a meteor strike

[gusty turret]

There do be a lot of those in earths history

[tired mantle]

There's nothing saying the earth didn't contain dormant veins of element or pseudo/proto-element constructs that woke when active element made impact with the earth.

[lament raft]

i guess but unless something in the lore states it then it just came from a meteor

as far as we're told

[bold dove]

Literally is stated that it came from space.

[gusty turret]

Yeah so did the rest of Earth

Thats how space works

[mental basin]

It came from space, not from Earth.

[gusty turret]

But Earth came from space so that's counterintuitive

[worn flint]

everything came from space , but nothing "came from" space because that would imply it left space

[gusty turret]

Wise words

[mortal kestrel]

I think that ark lore is a little to complicated

[kindred pewter]

I still don't get how were we on the map exctintion and then on genesis, were all the Ark a simulation??

[thorn ore]

they are not a digital simulation, but rather a simulated environment. the obelisks simulate a real biosphere thing

its not clear how you got to genesis from extinction, but likely you used the uplink at arrat prime

[mental basin]

The ARKs are a simulated environment, not a simulation. And Extinction isn't an ARK, it's Earth.

The writers kinda... refuse to give us a solid answer on how we get from Extinction to Genesis, but the best we have is, 'You can choose whether or not you're the same Survivor, or a different one.', which in and of itself is ridiculous.

Genesis: Part 2 takes place on a colony ship, somewhat related to, but not really tied to the ARKs, and Genesis: Part 1 is a simulation on said ship.

ARK 2 is the alien planet upon which the ship arrives at the end of Gen 2.

[kindred pewter]

Yeah jt's confusing cause theres no way that, the island, or scortched earth, aberration, and even extinction that is earth would be on a simulation, and if it is then aw. Somehow you are on genesis, on a ship that will travel to another earth and conolize it, but, didn't we just fixed our original earth?

[mental basin]

Don't worry, The Island-Extinction isn't in any way a simulation.

Gen 1 is the only Simulation Map.

And yes, we did save Earth- though there was no reason to turn the Genesis-Ship around to go back.

A. The crew didn't even know that the Earth was healed, and none of them have so much has seen it.
B. If we can colonize another world, why wouldn't we? It just increases our chances of survival as a species.

[thorn ore]

W lore

[tulip flint]

.

[honest steppe]

I love the carcha lore

[digital orchid]

Essentially from what I gathered we became what Helena became and gen 1 is the start of a second perspective of the story of ark as we saved earth but the genesis ship was already heading towards another planet to colonise but since most of the personal was killed or converted into corrupted survivers by Rockwell the survivor of the genesis Sim wouldn't be able to return to earth with the ship even if the survivor was aware that earth been cleansed

[mental basin]

Gonna stop you at the first sentence ajdksj

No, we don't ascend into a Homo Deus. That's what I thought originally, but we don't actually.

But what follows is pretty much correct. The Genesis Project side of thing, Rockwell losing interest in Earth and taking over the ship, etc.

And the funny thing about the Genesis-Ship is that it's not able to be controlled, for some reason. The process of planet-hopping is completely automated, and unable to be changed to my knowledge.

Therefore no matter what survivor we are, or who we are in general- even if we were part of the crew, and knew that earth was cleansed, we couldn't do anything about it.

[gusty turret]

I find it funny it just happened to find a planet when we got done locking Rockwell out of the subsystems

I wish there was a story where plot convenience didn't exist

[lament raft]

sometimes you need a little convenience

'we beat rockwell... now to drift for thousands of years in a dead ship'

[gusty turret]

Nuh uh

We beat Rockwell now we're all dead cuz it was too late and he imploded the ship

Protagonists don't get humbled often enough it always goes according to plan

[lament raft]

kinda kills any chance for continuing the story tho

[gusty turret]

Some stories are best left uncontinued

[royal tundra]

Nah the ending we got was perfect

Took the blasted thing long enough to find a habitable world

[tired mantle]

the arks and genesis ship/simulation have been at work for a minimum of 600+ years. It has, indeed, taken long enough.

Though, by that logic, so have we.

[gusty turret]

The arks and genital ship

[mental basin]

Where the Hell is everyone pulling these invisible numbers from 😭

There is nowhere in the story that tells us how long the ARKs/Ship were in orbit/space respectively.

No exact number, I mean. The best we've been told is 'generations' in regards to the Genesis-Ship. Seeing as the Ship and the ARKs launched around the same time, the very minimum would ACTUALLY be 20-30 years, which is a silly number.

Come to think of it, though... I reverse engineered one Explorer Note some months back, and did end up getting a few possible number of years iirc

The problem is, everything we DO reverse engineer will be incorrect, because the story is full of timeliness inconsistencies.

They really didn't write the story in a way in which we can pull specific dates of importance, outside of Gen 2, which tells us the years in which the Element Wars ended, among other misc. information.

[gusty turret]

Just do what matpat does and make things up and do it so loudly everyone agrees with you even the game developer

[floral sedge]

but hey, that's just a theory

[red forum]

Lmfao

[thorn ore]

A GAME THEORY

[mental basin]

AN ARK THEORY

Microphone implodes, PC sets on fire

The very walls surrounding me fly off into the horizon

[brave delta]

Why the moon esploded?

[bold dove]

No explanation

[valid compass]

I love that Rockwell calls element Edmondium. Tbh it does have a better ring to it than just element imo

[lofty scaffold]

It's his narcissistic nature

[sand gorge]

How do the Arks clean up element with element? Is it like a vacuum or maybe something that absorbs element while using it?

[bold dove]

It's more like flat out disintegration, if I recall.

[digital orchid]

Ah I see I got that part wrong

[valid compass]

It deleted my message? Testing 123?

[valid compass]

Like I said, true but with edmonds time that's what they did, if someone discovered something new they would name it. Most of the time after themselves

[digital orchid]

Didn't hlna explode the ship herself or did I misinterpret that part?

[mental basin]

When we shot that beam of energy through Rockwell, it also hurt the ship. He and the ship had pretty much become one at that point.

HLN-A ejected the Eden Ring, destroying a great deal of the ship, while preserving the genesis mission as a whole to an extent.

[digital orchid]

I see

[mental basin]

She stayed behind to ensure its success, and to comfort Rockwell.

[digital orchid]

That makes alot of sense since then last pieces of dialog is her comforting rockwell

[gusty turret]

I thought you said the elden ring at first

[tired mantle]

RISE, TARNISHED SURVIVOR. 😂

[unborn sundial]

@outer tartan

[ornate hull]

They thought it looked cool

[vale dragon]

Anyone have any extra information on Bracken Institute?

[dawn stirrup]

What map do yall think each Ark Additions creature could reasonably be placed on?

[gusty turret]

"Structurally, this building's basically a bunker. The walls look durable enough to withstand a few dozen megatons of force, and they're built to last. That alone told me it was important, but it was nothing compared to the sprawling, circular control center we found inside.

Rows of consoles cascade out from middle of the room, and the walls are lined with massive screens. While everything here's wearing a fine coat of dust, I see lights flashing and status reports flowing. This entire facility is still operational, and it's the heart of everything we've been through - the space stations we were on are all being monitored right here!

Guess I know what we're here for now. Better roll up my sleeves, this is going to be a ton of data to sort through..."

Diana log 17 is talking about it as far as im aware

Unless you mean extra beyond the note then🤷

[vale dragon]

Yeah beyond the note lol

but I appreciate your due diligence.

[dawn stirrup]

Til that Parasaurolophus walkeri was named in honor of Sir Byron Edmund Walker

[flat valley]

yo

Neir

[limber valley]

They all work well where they spawn naturally

[thorn ore]

hold up

edmund..
walker

[dawn stirrup]

Yep

[thorn ore]

im sorry, what the heck

[solar badger]

Wanted

[thorn ore]

unnecessary ping

[dawn stirrup]

Which boss is fought first?

[thorn ore]

which map?
in the lore?

@dawn stirrup get pinged on

[dawn stirrup]

AHAHAHHAHAAHA

The Island, in the lore and in the story of the survivor

Considering the other maps dont really have more than 1-2 bosses

(I hope scorched gets more bosses)

[thorn ore]

in the story of the survivor, its up to you which you fight first
in the story of helena/those ppl back in the day, its the broodmother

[dawn stirrup]

So considering how the survivor is kinda following in their footsteps would the Broodmother be the most likely candidate?

[thorn ore]

*cough* extinction with 4 *cough*

[dawn stirrup]

Listen here wise guy-

That actually is another question, what order are the extinction bosses fought?

[thorn ore]

well i killed the broodmother first, but that was because our megatheriums finished mutating quicker than the rexes

[thorn ore]

i dont know that. theres no complete extinction survival story yet (neddythenoodle got all the notes put in chronological timeline as a video on his channel)

[dawn stirrup]

Alas, no Extinction survival stories

[thorn ore]

i know full lore up to aberration, then it gets a lil blurry

[dawn stirrup]

I know most of the extinction lore, just not the order the titans are fought in

[thorn ore]

eh
i know that santiago died

and mei yin is a badass

[thorn ore]

also no. if we look at it lorewise, the survivor doesnt need to know in which order the bosses were fought previously, and thus has only a chance of fighting the broodmother first

[dawn stirrup]

Yeah

Broodmother has the easiest artifacts to find though

[thorn ore]

if we look at it from a player perspective, its even less likely as megapithecus is way easier and has greater rewards

[dawn stirrup]

That actually makes me lean towards broodmother even more

[thorn ore]

dont fall

[dawn stirrup]

From a progression standpoint, you get better gear the more you go on in your adventure

Meh->Good->Great->Best

[thorn ore]

naked->chitin->flak->tek

[dawn stirrup]

So considering the Broodmother has the “meh” stage of gear that makes me think its meant to be fought first

[dawn stirrup]

Chitin and Flak don’t feel so viable anymore ima be honest, overheated to death 8 times on the ark in HIDE

[thorn ore]

the element drops from the broodmother are less than meh, the tekgram unlocks are pretty good though

[thorn ore]

weeelll flak has some good armor
also how did you manage to overheat on the island
did you tip your toe into lava

[dawn stirrup]

Thats what Im saying!

Im in south zone 2 for cryin out loud!

Theris are the bane of my existence I stg

[thorn ore]

i hardly assume you played the game before

so i dont quite know how you get assaulted by theris

just stay out of their clearance zone

[dawn stirrup]

Good sir ive owned this game for about 5 years

[thorn ore]

yeah

[dawn stirrup]

I didn’t, my tame did

[thorn ore]

the standard stupidity of tames i assume then

[dawn stirrup]

Imprinted on a baby carno, as I lead it back to base it ran itself into a Theri

You can imagine the Carno’s fate

[thorn ore]

yeah

[dawn stirrup]

It was only a level 35 theri too…

[thorn ore]

theris are kinda broken for some reason though

i suppose we should keep this channel on topic

[dawn stirrup]

Yeah, mb

[gusty turret]

For the survivor whichever one you wanna fight

Mei fights like basically every titan in existence on her own and kicks all of their asses minus the king then Diana comes back and they kick the kings ass together and he runs and they go be gay and do crime in the wasteland till insert unknown lore event here

Tldr is badass lesbians

[tired mantle]

The broodmother is sat at gamma, meaning she is intended to be combatted first, but in actuality the gigantopethicus is the weakest/easiest to fight because at some point in ASE they disabled his dismount attack and didn't bother making him any beefier to compensate for it. Matched with his already poor AI, if you've got good gear, you can probably solo the big bastard by yourself.

Oh, that was already partially discussed— sorry. 😭

[lament raft]

for a while alpha ape was damn near impossible because of that dismount attack

[lament raft]

Everyone asks what is the lore

But nobody asks, How is the lore?

[plain plover]

the lore is good

[low briar]

😂
The lore is passable

Tons of holes and inconsistencies

-waves hands- magic space rock!

[thorn ore]

one must imagine the lore happy

[near orbit]

Is there a good video about the lore? Less than 30 min or close

[lyric tendon]

NeddyTheNoodle has the TL;DR rundown all in one neat playlist

[mental basin]

Or in the supercut.

[obsidian sage]

its all a simulation

[thorn ore]

^ bs

[tired mantle]

Once upon a time I'd have subscribed to that line of thought; however, at this rate it's much like the flat earth theory. Long ago, it may have held some sort of traction, but in today's day and age, a flat earth just isn't feasible.

[glad dirge]

So I keep forgetting which ones which, was scorched earth blown up and aberration destroyed by the obelisk or was it the other way round?

[chilly crest]

Aberration was destroyed by the obelisk being blown up

[glad dirge]

Thx

So scorched earth was just blown up normally?

[lament raft]

scorched earth didn't blow up

[bold dove]

Scorched didn't get blown up at all.

You're thinking of Aberration.

[bold dove]

False.
It was destroyed by the Overseer's deck being blown up, as seen if you go onto the surface.

[lament raft]

the tek tribe blew up a nuke in the overseer's face and wrecked the ark in the process

[gusty turret]

I mean one of the cities kinda did if thats what they're talking about

[tired mantle]

Nosti was destroyed by the obelisk to combat overpopulation of human inhabitants, rather than to promote nomadism. Human Population was booming, and after two failed attempts to cull the population without direct intervention, the obelisk glowed white like the shimmering sun, and demolished the entire town in an instant.

[limber valley]

(likely the in-lore reason for structure limits) /j

[tired mantle]

Honestly? While it's meant as a joke, it would probably fit if you went looking for THE L O R E in everything.

[bold dove]

Was was more swallowed then blown up.

[bold dove]

Overpopulation wasn't an issue.
It was the fact the city had no challenges anymore.

[tired mantle]

A combination of the two. No challenges meant humanity could expand unabated, which was not the goal of the simulation, although it probably made for an interesting side experiment to see whether or not the arks could support new, organic human life.

[bold dove]

I believe Marc flatout stated it was due to there not being any challannge for Nosti anymore. Not overpopulation.

[gusty turret]

I think the ark was kind of stupid

Why would you want to kill people instead of letting them develop so they could be sent back to Earth to fight?

Like in concept if you're trying to save humanity killing humans is usually not the best way to go about it

[bold dove]

The point wasn't to send people to fight.
The point of the ARK's is to preserve life itself.
And in a very computer like way of thinking, life itself is just the database. AKA the System.
Doesn't matter if you kill 200+ humans on an ARK, you can just recycle their carbon for new humans, and as long as their database where preserved within the System. Life is preserved.
Also the ARK's are the things meant to destroy the Corruption.

[lament raft]

thr arks were also meant as a testing ground for survivors

[gusty turret]

Yeah but like just send the people to fight

If some woman from ancient china could wipe out a large percentage of the corrupted imagine what sending back full arks would do

[lament raft]

mei yin was just awesome like that

Nerva could have probably done well if he lived past his encounter with her

[bold dove]

Again, not their point.
And outside of juicing up survivors with as much Engrams as possible and not being able to stay dead, everyone that went to Earth died.
Fuck, Mei wiping out a 'large percentage' of Corruption isn't canon. Nowhere is it stated that she does this.
Yes she holds them off, but we don't know their specific numbers and how many of them are left.
For all we know, most of the lesser titans could've died from natural causes (if Corrupted beings can die from old age)

[lament raft]

seeing what the corruption can do, a percentage probably doesnt apply to corrupted creatures

a percent of infinite is still infinite

[gusty turret]

So if one woman that has barely any mek experience can hold off a massive horde why couldn't a civilization built on technology like meks do the same

Did they just have no mek pilots

And the corruption only grew stronger over time they weren't dealing with anything compared to what Mei did

[bold dove]

Cause Meks are controlled via the mind iirr, not actual controls.
She already has swordman experience, so to her it was more of an even ground.
If you threw some random bozo to the same situation, it'd be like throwing in a none experienced fighter to fight a WWE champion.

[gusty turret]

Yeah but like you would expect someone that had been piloting meks for who knows how long to be at least on par with that

Cuz they could just full on clone experienced mek pilots?

Like it wouldn't be like there was any shortage of supply since they could just grow them

[bold dove]

And the fact the old obelisks are still making new creatures, just for them to get Corrupted allows the Corruption to basically have an infinite army.
Our survivors can't interact much with terminals it seems, since it's an alien language.
Also, how're you going to be able to fight the parts of Corruption that're outside the city?
You know, the parts of the planet that're either on fire, or in the negatives in temperature.

[bold dove]

Meks where invented by Santiago during the notes.
So no one would have experience but the note survivors.

[gusty turret]

So just turn the obelisks off

[bold dove]

Read the message above.

How're you going to interact with a terminal you can't read?

[gusty turret]

Im not talking our survivors im talking like the feds and URE

[gusty turret]

I thought he just invented the megamek?

And meks themselves were already a thing

[bold dove]

If I recall, even Santiago didn't understand it. And only was able to hack into it by pure luck.
Again, that one I don't fully remember.

[bold dove]

Nope, I believe he invented both during the notes.
The meks where made to counter the lesser titans, while the Mega mek was made to fight the King Titan and his generals.

[gusty turret]

Oh oopsie

Now im just surprised he hadn't thought of that before

You mean you guys fought for a century and no one ever thought big battle robot?

[bold dove]

Well, no.
If it's anything like real life is heading. It was probably a mixture a robotic foot soldiers, to just bombing civilian cities.

[gusty turret]

I feel like if i had a magic space rock a big battle robot would be my first idea

[bold dove]

Cause you're a gamer.
But in the military, that sounds like a waste of resources.
Especially again, if you take what's going on today into consideration.

The tek-war was probably 60% just bombing shit.

Why waste the money on troopers when you can make something a bit more expensive, but more devastating?

[gusty turret]

A big battle robot is pretty devastating

[bold dove]

But also is a mini-nuke.

[gusty turret]

Yeah but also is a big battle robot

They really need to make a tek war rts

Cuz now im curious what the armor for the tek war would've been like

[bold dove]

That is destroyed the moment it gets bombed.
Again, using real life as reference for the Tek-War. Stuff like that would become decommissioned real quick.
Only way to counter getting bombed, is bombing the bombs.

[gusty turret]

Yeah but we still use tanks and stuff and those usually don't agree with getting bombed

And like they had exo meks so? Maybe Santiago already invented a mek and just forgot or something

[bold dove]

Cause for the most part, they 'are' the bombs.
Also, a well placed explosive underneath the tanks tracks can decommission that tank.

[gusty turret]

They probably would've wiped it from him so he didn't make one on the ark

[bold dove]

Making a bipedal robot for a warzone like what we're used to is also a fatal flaw.
You have to remember the term 'the bigger they are, the harder they fall'
While yes, bombing a mek might not destroy it instantly. It's still bipedal, and doesn't have a good foothold on the ground compared to quadrupedals. So, any explosions could knock it off balance and now it'll take 20 years for it to stand back up due to how heavy it is.

[bold dove]

Exo meks that where used for construction, not war.
Which would be more viable for a mek to be then a replacement for tanks for stuff.

And again, there's the cost issue.
With all the flaws I've listed, it'd be smarter to just make powerful bombs that most likely wont miss, versus making Liberty Prime and some dude looney toons his ass with some rope and makes him fall over while he was about to throw a nuke, and now said nuke has dedicated on himself. 🦤

[gusty turret]

Bombs are boring

[bold dove]

Yes, very.
But effective.

[gusty turret]

What did I even say that got censored

Liberty prime

Is the

[bold dove]

Actually, I take that back.
Have you seen bombing raids?
That shit is horrifying.

[gusty turret]

The boom word is censored???

[bold dove]

Huh, it is.

[gusty turret]

Liberty prime can like incinerate anything in a large radius though i think hed win against bombs

[bold dove]

He literally dies from being bombed

[gusty turret]

Like if he can shoot a massive laser and nuke his feet constantly i think hed be fine

[bold dove]

Tell that to Liberty Prime during the Broken Steel DLC.

[gusty turret]

Which game is that

[bold dove]

Fallout 3

[gusty turret]

Hes in 4 soooo hes obviously not too hurt

[bold dove]

He had to be rebuilt.

[gusty turret]

They could also just smack a mega powerful forcefield on it and call it a day

[bold dove]

You keep deflecting the point.

[gusty turret]

Make it smaller, condense it to the frame of the robot so the power can be more concentrated instead of a massive dome

[gusty turret]

Like a forcefield would

The the nukes

[bold dove]

If we're using forcefields within ARK.....yeah, no. They'd be fucked.

[gusty turret]

Santiago's mek forcefield sucks but the actual stationary forcefields are busted

Is plasma edible

[bold dove]

Also, most nations have around 200-ish nukes currently.
If nations where to get their hands on a substance more powerful then anything on Earth, they'd mass produce the shit out of actual Element-based nukes.
Which to give you reference, the most powerful nuke to had ever exist was 59 miles wide.
It was detonate 4 miles above ground, and still vaporized half of the testing island iirr.
That's far more effective then any mek would be.

If the Tsar bomba at its peak (100 megatons) would drop on New York, the entire city would become a crater.
Now, imagine being able to mass produce that with Element.

I'd argue that while Meks are cool conceptually.
Nukes are actually scary.

[gusty turret]

Ermmm arktually new york is a state

[bold dove]

Actually, it's 'New York State'
While 'New York' is in fact the city.

[gusty turret]

And why is it not New York and New York City is the city?

[bold dove]

Cause the city was named after the town of York, which then the state it resides in was named New York afterwards.

[gusty turret]

Thats stupid though

[rigid grove]

Can probably move it back to lore

[lament raft]

so where do ya'll figure the new legion main base was? my thought was the ruins south of the swamp cave but they added a couple huge new ruins in asa

[bold dove]

Possibly the mountain on the top right on the map, since it's basically a small village now.

[dawn stirrup]

What exactly do the implants do?

[bold dove]

-Universal translator.
-Allows the Overseer to track survivors.
-Able to respawn survivors. (post-respawn protocol.)

[dawn stirrup]

Is that it?

[tired mantle]

Inventory management, a list of personal completed accomplishments, ascension level, rudimentary Geiger counter, I think, fancy watch, map [at least in ASA], tracker, universal ping system, etc.

[bold dove]

That's all gameplay. Not lore related

[dawn stirrup]

Surely theres more than being a translator and tracker, right?

[bold dove]

Nope.
Besides it allowing for survivors to respawn after Helena modified it, that's it.

[dawn stirrup]

Not even a map?

[bold dove]

All the things Donny listed are purely gameplay.

[bold dove]

Nope.
You gotta make one yourself canonically.

[dawn stirrup]

Kinda wish they had kept the old map book then

I suppose the war map counts, but still

[bold dove]

Gameplay over lore.

[dawn stirrup]

Yeah..

I feel like there’s gotta me more to them then that though

[bold dove]

Nope.
There literally isn't.

[dawn stirrup]

[lament raft]

like what?

a realtime universal translator is already pretty big

[bold dove]

Exactly.

Language barriers are gone.

[lament raft]

though the arm is kind of a bad place for it

you can lose the arm and survive

[bold dove]

Well, here's the thing.
If the implant is a translator, that means to be able to hear it in your head, it'd have to be connected to your brain in some way.
That connection could've been made essential, and cutting off someone's left arm is like cutting someone's spinal cord.

[lament raft]

maybe but in lore theres no reason for it to be on the arm

[tired mantle]

Here's food for thought; the assuming everything has an implant, or even if they don't, if nothing else, we can understand the grunts, roars, and noises of dinosaurs. At least, I imagine universal translator would apply to animals, kind of like Doctor Who I guess.

[bold dove]

Well, no.

[bold dove]

Implants are only on humans

[tired mantle]

So, at the very least, we can understand them.

[bold dove]

'We' can't actually.
They can, though.

[lament raft]

animals dont have 'words' like we do though

[bold dove]

Though this is from being genetically modified to understand commands from humans like a dog.

They're probably just like dogs where they can understand an x-amount of commands, but wont understand jack shit if you're trying to have a conversation with one.

[tired mantle]

Would probably depend on the creature. Rex are hypothesized to be able to track for miles and actually hunt.

[lament raft]

basically. animals recognize sounds and domesticated animals understand theres an expected result for each sound

[bold dove]

Eh, not really.
Genetically modified, and the rexes in ARK aren't actually rexes. They're a fictional subspecies.

[lament raft]

im mute irl and i trained my dogs to respond to different whistles and hand gestures

and yeah every animal in ark is a modified replication of the species

some a mixture of different species or changed entirely

like mantas are passive filter feeders, they dont have stingers like their close cousins

[tired mantle]

No animal in ark is exactly as it should be. Some come very close, but in the end, they are all somewhat modified.

[bold dove]

Yep.
None are actually Jurassic Park style of resurrecting them 1:1.
They're all modified to an extreme extent.

[lament raft]

jp isnt a 1:1 either

they had to splice in filler genes to complete the sequences from mosquitos

[bold dove]

Correct, but rexes are one of the 'most' modified. Cause they're not even referred to as 'rexes' in their scientific names.

[lament raft]

which makes the dinosaurs all genetic hybrids and not actual dinosaurs

[bold dove]

I know, but I'm more speaking around that timeframe of when the movie came out.
Which due to misconception, people thought Jurassic Park dinosaurs where how they looked.

[tired mantle]

Hell, modern speculation dictates Rex may have, in fact, had feathers.

[lament raft]

some featherspossibly

likely in small patches instead of covered like Yutyrannus

[tired mantle]

Feasible, since they are [speculated] cousin species.

At least, I recall such. Doesn't make it right.

[lament raft]

being covered in feathers without flight is largely there for retaining heat, something a big animal like a rex likely wouldnt need

[bold dove]

Right, but my original point was that rexes in ARK are by far one of the most modified creatures. As they're referred to as 'tyrannosaurus dominum' instead of 'rex'

[lament raft]

i wouldnt say most modified

they still pretty much resemble a large therapod of the tyrannosaur genus

[bold dove]

They're like 3x larger then real rexes.

[tired mantle]

Still a Tyrannosaurid, if not the poster child.

[lament raft]

my example from earlier, mantas, are heavily modified from their realworld counterparts

if were going by size, look at the giga

that thing is way bigger than any bipedal animal could be

[bold dove]

That's fair.

[tired mantle]

Kind of like brontosaurus is a classification, and the bronto itself is.. I can't remember what it's called.

Well, currently accepted as a classification.

[lament raft]

and the trike is more like a cross between a triceratops and a styracosaurus

too many frill spikes

[tired mantle]

Precisely! Though I'm not sure which you'd classify it as, if it ground down to it.

[gusty turret]

I thought everyone agreed rexes had fur

[lament raft]

no dinosaur had fur

fur is a distinctly mammalian trait

many dinosaurs had feathers that acted similar

[gusty turret]

Ah i think i misconceived a large quantity of tiny feathers to be hair

[tired mantle]

I mean, not an uncommon happening. They can look similar.

[gusty turret]

Is the yuty feathers too and I've just never looked closely at one

[lament raft]

in general there have been findings that suggest many tyrannosaurs had at least patches of feathers

[tired mantle]

Yep. Yuty is feathers. Though I think harvesting it in game gives pelt, which muddies things further.

[gusty turret]

Wow

I like dinosaurs

[lament raft]

who doesnt

[limber valley]

The pelt item texture looks like feathers too

[gusty turret]

Very debatable

[prime flume]

The bronto is a misconception of a camarasaurus and apatosaurus, the brontosaurus never really existed

[gusty turret]

Since when is brontosaurus a classification?! I thought sauropod was the classification 😭

Also kind of like how trikes didn't actually exist at least thats what I've been told

[forest fractal]

I think I've heard it be used as one

[plain lily]

How big was the ice titan in the lore?

[lament raft]

we dont really get hard numbers for anything

[thorn ore]

you can assume it was the same size, it doesnt say anywhere that its growing or shrinking, so i guess go with the height stated on the wiki

[plain lily]

Ok

[wispy wolf]

a t-rex is actually a dodo proove me wrong

[lament raft]

dodos are dinosaurs

[gusty turret]

You're a dinosaur

[swift cloak]

Gee that's definitely a hard one

[gusty turret]

Technically, if you would like to speak in terms of that, youd have to look into luca(last universal common ancestor) and do some research and you could, by a reach, prove the relation of every species on Earth

Technically it wouldn't be a reach thats just how luca works but it is quite a topic and would be difficult to find the exact line that would prove the exact line from dodo to trex

[lament raft]

not too difficult. a line of theropod dinosaurs evolved into birds (avian dinosaurs), dodos are birds, therefore they are somewhat related

[gusty turret]

Finding the exact thread of evolution might be difficult though, as i don't think dodos and trexs have any known line of relation

[dawn stirrup]

Dodos are birds

Birds are maniraptorans

Maniraptora is part of Coelurosauria

[limber valley]

They are an offshoot of pigeons, so no they literally are not

Kind of

[valid compass]

Idk where I would put this but I feel like I could get a good lore lesson from this, since the tek armor and gear was built by the federation and other group that was in the aberration ark wouldn't it be possible to upgrade that armor further? Like personalize it with different functions instead of the basics we already have. Personallybid love to have the tek binoculars be a mode for the helmet for example

[thorn ore]

personally id love to have customizable meks

[valid compass]

Tek in general needs a tlc tbh

[thorn ore]

imagine a personal tek forcefield
like a skin you put on your tek chestplate, rapidly consumes its charge but acts as a temporary and weaker shield around you

[arctic bison]

bc tek balance rn isn't already bad enough, tek in Ark 1 really needs a balance tlc.

[valid compass]

It should have upgradable tiers to it so it's actually usable for people instead of it being a glorified mk2 Ironman armor

I mean it'd make sense for Santiago to have been tweaking and improving the designs of tek while the mechs were being developed yea?

[tired mantle]

Frankly I wouldn't mind something Iron Man Mark One-Esque instead of.. riot armor. could even make the suit require gasoline to function. Give the tek suit a glow down without getting rid of the eventual tek suit unlock itself. Make the suit modular to fit the user and its needs without making it broken.

Because let's be real, tek suit is jacked. It does everything every other armor did, and all it needs is element, which you can farm eventually.

[limber valley]

Yep, remember how they said The Terran Federation TEK would feel like a whole new tier? What if we actually show why they won the war by showing how superior the Federation TEK actually is in game.

(honestly wouldn't be much of a jump, but still)

[valid compass]

And even then, if the overseer is able to access those designs on all arms because I bet you it's an extremely adaptive ai system it could analyze the blueprints and bump them up to that eras equivalent of super armor, this is supposed to be endgame armor and we've seen the lightest variant in genesis part 2. Why don't we have an op suit that we can all Amp up and customize.

[limber valley]

Honestly, trial & error would be a fun way to earn engrams.

Might keep this in mind for my mod "Engrams Extended"

[valid compass]

If you need a tester I'm all for it!

[limber valley]

I'll add you to the list.

Might just give you general run down in DMs.

[valid compass]

By all means shoot me a dm

Don't forget to integrate the tek binoculars into thr helmet for easier access

[lament raft]

all birds are dinosaurs

[limber valley]

I knows

[limber valley]

Honestly, I'd just make it an Unlock for beating any boss at Gamma, it's too useful not to

Might even add a feature where instead of using a scout remote, you can just bind a scout to the binoculars, allowing you to get a closer look at your potential prize (with the added info the binoculars give you) without spooking it or having to make a hasty getaway

The binoculars you use when using the scouts are literally the Tek Binoculars anyway

[limber valley]

I've been doing so

[gusty turret]

You're basically just gonna end up making an exomek with weapons

I assume you're talking like an exosuit from cod advanced warfare though

Tbh though, i think with the games current meta and balance that would entirely break the meta

Thats the state arks balance is in, anything new is either completely useless or overpowered there is no in-between

[limber valley]

My mod is basically uprooting the entirety of the game's progression so I don't run into those issues. But I see your point

[limber valley]

Yep, Tropeognathus was fucking ROBBED by the Astrodelphis

Same thing with the Archaeopteryx & the Sinomacrops (they at least nerfed it by giving EVERY shoulder pet the ability to work as a backpack)

[gusty turret]

I think more smaller robotics would be useful, like non tek tier drones, with like mounted miniguns or just an explosive stick to ram into things

[limber valley]

I like that idea, I was planning on doing a reconnaissance drone for the modern era that was extremely loud, but could say, readout the exact colors of a dino and anchor to walls to land

[gusty turret]

Ive always wanted like mortars too they headed in that direction with catapults and ballistas but why are there no like long range mortars

[limber valley]

Yep, Artillery might be a little too strong, but mortars could be good

[gusty turret]

Artillery is only good if it's close otherwise you're just shooting in a massive radius of your target and hoping it hits

[limber valley]

253 meters is a much more reasonable range than nearly over a mile

[limber valley]

It could be pretty expensive to set up & fire, and could be pretty heavy to lug around with your dinos, if at all

[gusty turret]

Like cannons but way heavier

[limber valley]

Maybe we could use the new railroads? 🤔

[gusty turret]

I wanna hijack the obelisk and nuke someone

[limber valley]

Damn (the fat man's blast radius is only about 2 squares on the island in diameter)

Even less technically for other maps

[valid compass]

I will make sure to read this all when I get home, currently at work atm ^-^

[lyric tendon]

in lore the Tek Suit is supposed to be a "bootleg" of the Fed Suit of sorts while trying to remake it in AB hence there is not much of a difference

[lyric tendon]

Firstly: the Overseer is not an AI but Biome Bosses in the Genesis Sim like Moeder is

Secondly: the Overseer has no influence on the Genesis Ship, they are stuck in the ARKs

Lastly: the Overseer never expected or known the Tek Suit, neither does the Tek Nuke after it blown up in Ab (hence no way for that knowledge be transferred until Helena became Homo Deus)

[obsidian lily]

Imo. Valguero is the abberation map pre devastation

[mental basin]

It's not.

[gusty turret]

Your opinion is wrong

Even in theory the only way they're remotely similar is having a radiation zone

[livid carbon]

So what memories do the survivors remember

[gusty turret]

Id say it depends on the survivor

Like how old they were when they died and how they died and such

You obviously wouldn't revive someone at like 80 youd probably do like 20-30 and if they were 20-30 you wouldn't want them remembering being like senile

[floral sedge]

I'd say everything except their deaths

[limber valley]

Valguero is a crater, Aberration was an Island.

I can definitively say NUH UH to you & your opinion

[obsidian lily]

Or we just plsd in a small part of said island

[limber valley]

Valguero is 60km² Aberration is 70km²

They are definitely not the same ark

The obelisks aren't even in the same spots

[gusty turret]

Or not because you know exactly where the world border is and its exactly the same as it was for the tek tribe

Diana can confirm she ate shit flying into it

The world borders are infact canon

Asides from the whole different size thing, Valguero is blatantly just not Aberration, its a fan made map, Wildcard has said none of the free dlc maps are canon

[obsidian lily]

Ik it'd just be cool tbh

[thorn ore]

we dont know how ab looked before, maybe it wasnt even as outstanding as we like to imagine it

[tired mantle]

What we do see of Aberration's surface ain't very pleasant.

[thorn ore]

i think i know why that may be the case

[gusty turret]

Yeah the unsurpassed power of the sun tends to do that

[thorn ore]

weeel the sun is classified as a yellow dwarf

soooo it is easily surpassed by other stuff, e.g. neutron stars, let alone black holes

edited because i totally shouldnt keep this joke

[lyric tendon]

Nope, there is already a height map in one of the AB notes that already debunked the "Val is Pre-Ab" Myth

[lyric tendon]

Funny enough in the new cutscenes HD Helena already hinted on what Pre-Ab looked like in the intro

[dim ermine]

the beginning ab notes are all pre-ab until they blow up the obelisk. they talk about how nice it looked out there and everything. I'd be more interested in seeing Pre-Scorched Earth when they had the giant city under the obelisk before Helena and Rockwell showed up

[lyric tendon]

in AB they did not blew up the obelisk, the blew up the overseer and by extension, the arena

in SE, the overseer USED the obelisk to destroy Nosti

[dim ermine]

right, but broke one of the obelisks. you can see the broken obelisk when you see the ARK on the SE ascension

[dim ermine]

right i understand that, but I just meant I would like to see Nosti.

[lyric tendon]

that is not an obelisk, it's part of Ab's Exterior Pillars and one of them holds the Overseer Arena and Hall Of History

the only time in Ab they mentioned an Ob is when they tried to access the interior systems and even took down one to power the portals

[dim ermine]

yea im looking at it now, i suppose it would be a pillar not an ob

[lyric tendon]

SE has no connetion what is going on in Ab, the people in SE dont know how dangerous the Obs are until Nosti sunk

[dim ermine]

id also like to see the other guardians. ab does mention there was a guardian for the ob before everything went to hell and rockwell took over

[lyric tendon]

they only mention the Overseer, no guardians
@mental basin double check plz

[dim ermine]

im aware the two events have nothing to do with each other...but the Nosti SE notes happen, then by the time Helena shows up its been like 30-40 years because Raia isnt young anymore and shes riding a wyv

i was just saying id like to see the older scorched earth w/ Nosti

[lyric tendon]

it's just the same thing but with buildings (akin to Conan Exiles)

[dim ermine]

Similarly to Scorched Earth, Aberration never shows all of its Guardians.
However unlike Scorched Earth it doesn't show any Guardians at all.
In lore it was confirmed that there were once Guardians as the old Overseer of Aberration was mentioned in explorer notes to transform into element versions of its Guardians similarly to the Overseer on the Island and presumably the Overseer on Scorched Earth could probably do the same as well transforming into a element version of the Manticore and the other 2 Guardians.

found on the ark.fandom wiki page

ok. i wanna see the buildings and the civilization

[lyric tendon]

that site is outdated and filled with misinformation

[dim ermine]

i just reread all the notes not too long ago. pretty sure one of them mentioned a guardian briefly when trying to reach the overseer on ab

ok i found the note, guess it was the overseer they were talking about

[lyric tendon]

also the notes dont say "it transformed into guardians" when the guardians are not mentioned in the first place

it mentioned its ability to shapeshift when the arena is activated

[dim ermine]

mustve misunderstood/misread the note

but the overseers do shapeshift into the guardians...i mean it would make sense lore wise that like the island, the 3 obelisks would have different guardians w/ different requirements

[lyric tendon]

again not all overseers act the same as all ARKs not the same

[dim ermine]

just because they weren't specific as to what it changed into doesn't mean you can't speculate as to what it was changing into. it was intentionally vague

[lyric tendon]

it's not vague, the point of an explorer note is a person's POV in the ARK

they see what they experienced

[dim ermine]

im just saying programming the game and the challenges w/ coming up w/ 3 more guardians instead of just one and calling it a day is much different than lore. just because the game programmers didnt want to program 2 extra boss guardians doesnt mean they dont hypothetically exist.

and just because there's not written record doesn't mean thats the end all be all of it

[lyric tendon]

you are just stepping on Gameplay > Lore territory

[dim ermine]

or Lore > Gameplay territory

gameplay is limited. lore is easier to type out than gamplay is to program

[lyric tendon]

not really, if Lore > Gameplay then we dont have item transfers or the game itself is Hardcore mode

KT will be extra harder to kill

[dim ermine]

I'm saying in the lore, there could be 3 guardians. just because its not reflected in the notes/gameplay doesn't mean they dont hypothetically exist

and it would be a lot easier to write about 2 more guardians than it would be to actually implement them into gameplay is what im saying

[lyric tendon]

there is only 1 ARK that confirms having 3 guardians which is The Island

you can just consider that as a "Headcanon" and forget the lore itself

[dim ermine]

but why have 3 obelisks repeatedly be a thing if you dont need 2 other obelisks?

[lyric tendon]

again that is more Gameplay > Lore

[lyric tendon]

because the ARK is build as it is

hell the ProtoARKs have 1 ob

[dim ermine]

i think they created a lot of lore/gameplay for the island then realized its not feasible to continue that trend when creating future maps

aka they got lazy

[lyric tendon]

not really, the lore for other maps is fine, the thing is they made the Lore first then forgot how to implement them gameplay wise

ok Ext is rushed i forgot about that

so does the grad students

[dim ermine]

ext is for sure rushed. also, 3 different unique bosses

and an overall end boss

just like island. was well done boss wise

scorched earth and aberration are just meh boss wise

[lyric tendon]

those fit the lore well than just copy-paste The Island Gameplay

[dim ermine]

also, if we're talking about lore being good, i gotta say i was not a fan of the constant use of Rockwell as the big bad. I get the Ab ark crashed to Earth (extinction) but having him jump to the Genesis ship and then be the big bad for genesis as well? they couldve done better

[mental basin]

They never mention a guardian, no.

[lyric tendon]

the Goal of the ARKs is to have humans endure different environments and situations

if the ARKs has the same 3 guardians and the overseer, it be ruined the Overseer's intention of having adaptable humans

[dim ermine]

i liked what they did for ab where they took his lore and made him a boss but they shouldve just let him die there

[dim ermine]

im not saying the same 3. i was saying 3 different and new guardians plus the Overseer. I mean there's no telling which Ark is your first and there's no exact order. the gameplay order is just based off Helena's experience

[lyric tendon]

Rockwell is an overseer replacement, not a "guardian"
since the Tek People nuked the Overseer out of existence and the ARK destabilyzing without it

[dim ermine]

so if your journey to trying to conquer the ark started on Scorched, you'd have no clue what the Island is and so it would still be a unique challenge to fight 3 guardians and an Overseer

[dim ermine]

overseer or guardian, i just said he was the boss

[gusty turret]

Ugh i have to censor the note cuz the b word is banned

Months of planning, a squad of guys armed to the teeth and the biggest homemade banana you've ever seen...and we still weren't prepared. How could we be? I don't think anyone could have been ready for that insane, shapeshifting whatever-it-was.

It attacked us as soon as we carted the package to the center of the platform. We were getting taken out so fast that we just set the banana on a short fuse and made a break for it. Less than half of us managed to dive off of the platform in time, and I could feel the heat of the explosion as I fell.

If I hadn't stabilized Santiago on the way down, he'd have been paste too. Of course with everything that's been happening since we blew up that platform, we all might be screwed anyway.

It does mention shapeshifting so i feel its safe to assume that was written with the intent of us seeing it like Islands overseer turning into the guardians

[dim ermine]

yea thats Diana #9 i have it pulled up

[lyric tendon]

yet they never mentioned any guardian pior to going in the arena

[gusty turret]

They wouldn't have known they just warped in

[dim ermine]

thats what i was trying to say. the intention is there but they didnt want to mention specifics because there was no gameplay for it

[lyric tendon]

the overseer shapeshifts when the arena started

[gusty turret]

It also shapeshifts into the guardians

[lyric tendon]

and?

[gusty turret]

Its hard to say without knowing what he was thinking when he wrote the Aberration lore but i wouldn't be so fast to shoot down Aberration guardians

[dim ermine]

so even though Diana wouldn't know it, and as you said it's her perspective hence the vague description, its assumed the overseer was shapeshifting into guardians

[lyric tendon]

again no guardians for them to mentioned

the "whatever it was" can be just the overseer changing form and spawning defense units

[gusty turret]

Or it could not be that

We have no way of knowing for sure

[lyric tendon]

they just set the nuke, never faced the overseer head on or damaged it enough to turn into guardians

[dim ermine]

its an easy writing mechanic when you dont want to come up with new material to hint and imply certain things that would be assumed

[gusty turret]

We don't know if you have to damage it canonically that could just be gameplay

[dim ermine]

thats also true. the first overseer you dont even read about the fight

[lyric tendon]

also again, they made the lore before the map, so somethings are different lore wise compared to gameplay

like

where is the "element extractor"?
where are the "spines" Mei mentioned about the Nameless?

[dim ermine]

so theres nothing stating they would have to damage it to have it shift

[gusty turret]

Its basically a god for all intents and purposes it more likely than not can shapeshifts to whatever it wants whenever it wants

[dim ermine]

element extractor would be i thought the congealed gas collectors?

[lyric tendon]

congealed gas are not element

[dim ermine]

the stuff you need to craft element on ab

its pink like the liquid element

and you need it for element

[gusty turret]

Its strange we're given a borderline recipe for element

[lyric tendon]

it's pink sure but it's not corruptive

[gusty turret]

Crystals gas and electricity?

[floral sedge]

I'd assume that's just to help refine it

[dim ermine]

Blue Gems, Charge Batteries, Congealed Gas Balls, Element Ore, Green Gems, and Red Gems

[lyric tendon]

i could argue that is a leftover from the Tek people

[gusty turret]

You could but it wouldn't have any backing

[dim ermine]

they couldve had an extractor for element ore though as well

[lyric tendon]

"freaking lazer guns baby" ~ grad student notes

[dim ermine]

tek rifles

[gusty turret]

Where do the grad student notes even come from

[dim ermine]

small backpack notes in ab

[lyric tendon]

makes you wonder how the hecc they managed to power the Tek Beds without element huh??

[dim ermine]

they're post-Diana

[gusty turret]

I've never seen them

I've only seen Rockwell Mei Helena and Diana

[dim ermine]

as far as the spines on the nameless, dont they get those when they become alpha nameless?

[dim ermine]

ive found a couple. theyre just small school backpacks. not easily noticeable

[gusty turret]

Weird

Tbh i thought nameless did have spines

[dim ermine]

yea im looking at pics and i guess they dont? it could also be referring to the reaper that spawns due to the nameless. based on there being no real way to describe it, could look like just a huge nameless w/ spines if you didnt know any better

[lyric tendon]

nope they dont, they only go big and red

plus in that note she described a normal nameless

[dim ermine]

in the dossier it shows spines

[lyric tendon]

in the same dossier they show some that dont have spines

that is what happened if you reuse the concept art

[dim ermine]

well as you mentioned, lore was written before gameplay. so they may have wrote that off the concept art

[lyric tendon]

yep

[floral sedge]

Is there any reason why we learn the charge lamp engram or any other item created by previous survivors? Lore reason? Gameplay reason? (probably overthinking this)

[dim ermine]

probably just for gameplay purposes. i cant see any reason why our characters would even know about them otherwise

unless you get meta and it's assumed your character found the notes from past survivors like Diana & Helena then learned from that

might just be overthinking it at that point though

[lament raft]

ascended helena could have added the engrams

[lyric tendon]

Gameplay reason

Anything involving us the players/survivors are all Gameplay reason

Also Rockwell made the Charge Lamp just to impressed the Tek Scientists

[thorn ore]

they do be kinda stupid in comparison

[dusky spruce]

I believe it is Helena who added engrams, all part of the survivor thing

You wake up and implant is kinda preprogrammed with this stuff

That's my headcanon ofc

[lyric tendon]

there is nothing in the notes regards on BPs and base Engrams

only form of mind transfer called the "ENGRAMmic Matrix" in Gen 1, and it has no connection to the "Engrams" in crafting aside from the name

[dim ermine]

i still like Fruity's headcanon

[molten kite]

I agree

[gusty turret]

I think it's just gameplay

[molten kite]

Yes but how does it make sense with the lore?

[gusty turret]

Because you need a system to learn and craft structures in game otherwise you just won't have anything

[molten kite]

I meant lore sorry

[gusty turret]

It doesn't, it doesn't have to

[molten kite]

I mean that is why we are here so

[gusty turret]

We're here to talk about the lore not to try and apply the lore to everything

Some things just don't have a lore reason

[molten kite]

No, no if you don't think that then you haven't seen Neddys channel

[gusty turret]

Some things just exist for gameplay convenience

[molten kite]

I mean a lot of things that are just for the gameplay have lore explanation

[gusty turret]

If they have a lore explanation then its not just for gameplay

[molten kite]

?

[gusty turret]

If something has a lore purpose then it doesn't just exist to serve a gameplay purpose

[molten kite]

Yes

And?

[gusty turret]

Some things do not have a lore purpose

They just exist

[fallow sapphire]

There is no real logic in the engram system. For things like tek from bosses, Rockwell’s charge lantern and the mek’s, it doesn’t make sense you suddenly just know how to make them

[umbral dagger]

Does every note lead to the next one (from the same survivor) or not at all? Are they even close to each other if not?

[molten kite]

Oh god who is going to tell him the pain?

[umbral dagger]

You I hope

[little bolt]

Hi guys

[gusty turret]

They're scattered everywhere in no particular order

The only ones in any sort of logical order are the ones in the tek cave

[little bolt]

Why I lost my argy cuz of anti meshing😳

[gusty turret]

But chronologically yes one leads to two two leads to three for that particular survivor

[fallow sapphire]

Cause the Overseer didn’t like your argy

[gusty turret]

Cool lore

[arctic bison]

can we get the lore of the brain deformities of the average vocal Ark player next?

[umbral dagger]

Ok thanks

[gusty turret]

They thought they could take the megapithicus in a fist fight and got their skull caved

[arctic bison]

sadly the respawn system still had some kinks back then

[fallow sapphire]

Who do you think the corrupted survivors Rockwell made are?

[arctic bison]

[fallow sapphire]

They can’t serve him now, so now they be as they are now

[dim ermine]

same survivor, yes. overall, no. but there is a reading list you can find online for each map that has them in chronological order. you'll read from multiple survivors throughout and it makes more sense as far as the events of the story

[umbral dagger]

Think I’ll find them randomly and at some point look at a map and go for the ones I haven’t found, thanks

[dim ermine]

yea i started doing that as well (using an interactive map)

but i just meant if you wanted to read through the story in timeline order, there is a google doc someone created that has all the notes for all the lore maps in chronological order

[mental basin]

Nerva's final Note being outside the Tek Cave

The devs like to do a liiittle trolling

[bronze turtle]

his cute own peoples

[spiral igloo]

I watched a 3 hour video on lore. And Jesus. There's a lot

[dim ermine]

sure is. took me a few hours to read all the notes. but well worth it

[forest fractal]

Explosive stick I like that

[thorn ore]

copycat
||edit: you dont seem like you know what i mean||

[boreal hare]

Hi guys!
New to the lore side of things, not new to ark!

It's inspired my cluster to go into a lore RP for ASA!
Looking forward to it and learning more about the tribes and characters 😜🤘🏻

[bronze turtle]

I have a question is there any lore on how we got on the island or did we blackout and appear there

[limber valley]

You'll find out in due time

Short answer: that implant wasn't on your arm last you remember

[bronze turtle]

Well I could figure that much out

Probably why we always try and scratch it out

[limber valley]

Black-out is one way to put it, let's just say.

The real question that ties this together is the Artifacts, The Obelisks, & the very nature of the island itself.

[bronze turtle]

Yea true but I have always had tried to figure out what the implant was from because it has a lot of knowledge on it

[limber valley]

A lot is a bit of an understatement, it's practically a second brain for your survivor

[bronze turtle]

True but the fact that it does have the knowledge to even make dinosaur saddles by it’s self

Because we don’t make those it’s always the implant

[limber valley]

The implant truly is a wonder of technology, that's for sure.

Makes you wonder what type of lifeform could have come up with such an ingenious device

(I'm purposely skating around the lore that could spoil the plot)

[bronze turtle]

Especially with how high tech of armor it has

[gusty turret]

The implant is kind of like an airtag/universal translator

[thorn ore]

someone who doesnt want to be spoiled shouldnt look into this channel

@rigid grove

[rigid grove]

Better off messaging Dodo Mail on the off chance that the tagged mod doesn't respond, but thank you

[thorn ore]

alr

[gusty turret]

I mean they never said they didn't want spoilers they asked a question and got skated around an answer on it😭

[fallow sapphire]

As the resident no sk8, i resent anyone skating around a question

[floral sedge]

I'd say its your own headcannon on how and who your survivor was and how they died.
But if you want to find out how you get on the ARK just look up needy the noodle or explore Extinction through Genesis iirc

[gusty turret]

We got on the island via the whole scanning the engrammatic matrix of every human being who ever lived and being cloned onto it thing

The implant doesn't hold much actual power like i mentioned before its just like an airtag and google translate put together

Its hard to explain any better without just explaining the entire preark world so it'd probably be best to just go through and read all the notes

Diana and Santiago notes would probably give the most backstory into what you're looking for in terms of how we got on the arks

Especially gen 2 Santiago

[lyric tendon]

would join, shame i am not PS

[lyric tendon]

if you read/watch Aberration, the Tek Suit is just a ramshackle version of the Fed suit

[lyric tendon]

how long is this guy typing?

is he posting an impromptu fan fiction here?

[floral sedge]

I would send the sponge "The" gif but gifs dont embed xD

[lyric tendon]

lmao

[fair warren]

he's still typing

[mint siren]

typing da whole lore

[floral sedge]

bros gonna need Nitro++ to send this message 💀

[hazy shard]

can u crossplay windows with console or is it still down?

[lyric tendon]

wrong chat

[lyric tendon]

he's typing the entire notes and dossiers with tidbits and trivia

[tough crag]

Watch it just be "I think dodos are cool"

[lyric tendon]

lmao

[tough crag]

Tranq tame drake op

[thorn ore]

my headcanon is that you, playing the game, are the survivor
as in the survivor was once you

[gusty turret]

My headcanon is every survivor is danny devito

[bronze turtle]

survivor is who you want

[forest fractal]

Yep

[floral sedge]

It would be interesting to see someones mind being put inside of a dinosaur or something

[gusty turret]

I feel like that is just not true

Im more interested in Gabriel

Not Gabriel

Whats his name

Nevermind it is Gabriel

[floral sedge]

I see

[bronze turtle]

I want the spoilers

[forest fractal]

If you want spoilers check out neddy or neddie the noodle on yt

[limber valley]

They hacked the system to bypass the Guardians and confront the Overseer Directly

[limber valley]

Helena Literally made respawning canon

@dim ermine Oh and also, Scorched Earth on ASE was unfinished, they didn't get enough time.

That's why they delayed it for ASA, they are adding more caves, more wyvern trenches (a poison & a lightning one respectively), 2 new Guardians, & an overseer fight.

They are doing this for many reasons, including making it more lore accurate

[limber valley]

Scorched Earth was unfinished in ASE, they were going to add more bosses

[dim ermine]

this is exactly what i like to hear 😄

[dim ermine]

yea thats what i was trying to say but was told guardians arent on other arks.

thank you for confirming

[lyric tendon]

Nothing mentioning of other bosses in the note aside from the manticore

Also citation needed

[limber valley]

Jeremy Literally said it in the extra life stream

[lyric tendon]

Yes and?

It doesn't state some other gameplay aspect like reverse transferring and item transferring be canon tho

[limber valley]

They will likely adjust the notes or add new ones to make it more sensical.

[limber valley]

You can still transfer your engram unlocks across, the way the game was intended. (Imo)

[lyric tendon]

I doubt they gonna "adjust" the notes since the original writer is not working for them anymore

Adding them (like Ab Rockwell 30 and Grad Students) maybe

[limber valley]

Sad, but at the exact same time I think it would be easy to slightly extend the notes in a way that doesn't contradict too much of any other parts of the story.

[limber valley]

Or an even more recent example like Santiago #0 on Aberration from the Gen 2 Chronicles

I wonder if they will include that note on Aberration's launch for ASA 🤔

[lyric tendon]

I dislike those since those don't really add much to the current lore

[limber valley]

True, it basically is more of an introduction to Santiago before he is introduced... which while weird, makes sense due to his presence on Aberration... (Which was already affirmed by Diana???)

[lyric tendon]

I mean Santiago's farewell speech in Ext is good and all, but we all know he is already dead before the Chronicles

[limber valley]

Define dead, he died multiple times in the continuity

(just want clarification)

[lyric tendon]

That feels like the non-canon pre-notes like Elshima/Helena

[lyric tendon]

Before Genesis DLC

[limber valley]

Yep

[limber valley]

Thanks

Anyway

[floral sedge]

I need proof for this

it sounds to good to be true

[limber valley]

He said it some time during the Extra Life Stream.

Can't pinpoint when

[lyric tendon]

Yep, it's "too good to be true"

Especially they are well known for promising things but never show in the game/s in question

Like the promise of a possible lore reveal when people 100% that Kid Switch Game

[wary ruin]

I smell lies

Only thing I see people talking about is the new Dino + the paid dlc bit

[forest fractal]

Hey I've seen you somewhere

[wary ruin]

Yee, I’m one of the mods on nat’s server

[forest fractal]

It was meant to be a joke I do know you

Your

[wary ruin]

Oh

[forest fractal]

:D

if I remember

[wary ruin]

I am >:D

[dim ermine]

paid dlc? i thought the dlc was supposed to be free?

[wary ruin]

the new stuff being added

[arctic bison]

paid sister dlcs for each map that expand upon it within the theme of said map

[dim ermine]

But this channel is for lore not for discussing Ark issues so I'm done with this topic. We can agree to disagree