lore-nerdz

[bronze turtle]

9k tsar bombs is a lot of explosives.

[gusty turret]

Why are we going in circles

[bold dove]

Again, I worded it wrong.
9k Nukes, not Tsar bombas

[bronze turtle]

Ohhh

Nvm then, lol.

[bold dove]

They'd also probably would have something more powerful to be able to wipe New-Zealand off of the map. (which is canon)

[bronze turtle]

That makes things much easier,

[bronze turtle]

You right.

[gusty turret]

And thats purely theoretical it probably wouldn't take that many to actually destroy the moon once a few hundred caused irreversible seismic damage

Does seismic stuff even exist on the moon actually

Does the moon have earthquakes

Moonquakes even????

[bold dove]

Wanna go to the moon and fuck around and find out?

[gusty turret]

Yes

[bold dove]

[gusty turret]

Then how do we know the difference between an earthquake and a moonquake

What if theres a moonquake on the Earth

[bronze turtle]

I think its pretty chill out there and say that there probably isnt any, but i dont know for sure.

[gusty turret]

YO WHAT

Moonquakes are actually a thing

[bronze turtle]

Oh yeah they do

[gusty turret]

Theres even marsquakes

I don't think it would take close to 9k nukes to destory the moon depending on their power though

It also depends on where its detonated

I've never been more shocked than i was when i looked up is there seismic activity on the moon and moonquake was the first word i saw

[bronze turtle]

As of 2019, there are 15,000 nuclear weapons on planet Earth.

I wonder if thats enough

[gusty turret]

Something tells me that is not even remotely accurate and just what the governments of the world want us to know

[bronze turtle]

Maybe.

[gusty turret]

But the government? Lie to us? They would never

[bronze turtle]

There is a rule that prohibits the use/creation of any nuclear arsenal and it is signed internatiaonally, but then again, we are simple citizens lol.

[gusty turret]

Governments? Break international treaties behind each other's backs? Nawwwww

[bronze turtle]

One thing i know is that nukes are very expensive to create and even more expensive to contain so that would NOT be very beneficial unless there is a massive world conflict going on.

[gusty turret]

They just dump them in a warehouse

[bronze turtle]

I dont think its that easy.

There is a constant check of each one of them.

Imagine one goes off dawg.

In a werehouse with other ones 💀

[gusty turret]

Pakistan is the country that America is ready to like waltz all over to secure their nukes incase of an emergency right and China supports America in that?

[bold dove]

We're going to have Fusion reactors somewhat soon. Interested to see how the safety shit is going to go down with that.

[bold dove]

Wait, did China literally say they support that?

[gusty turret]

I dunno if they said it but from what I've heard they're okay with it because of how careless they are with nukes

[bold dove]

Damn, one of the few things the U.S and China can agree on. 💀

[gusty turret]

Ain't nobody wants a nuke to be in bad hands because they drive them around in unguarded white vans😭

[bold dove]

Tell that to fucking Russia right now. 🗿

[gusty turret]

Russia is a whole mess nobody wants to touch that

Not even Russia

[bold dove]

Sadly, it's touching everyone else. 💀

What's with China and Russia right now, anyway?

[gusty turret]

I dunno i haven't heard anything

Although I've been out of the loop on that side of the globe for a while after i knew they weren't winning their "special operation"

[bronze turtle]

Yall went from the Moon's exploision in Ark to the current political situation in Russia ☠️

[bold dove]

China keeps going on and off of them 'we support Russia' to 'we don't support Russia' then back to supporting them?
It's like "Motherfuckers, pick already" 🗿

[bold dove]

Eh, it happens.

Politics is allowed as long as it stays civil.

[gusty turret]

I heard about how they basically lost a coup to Wagner

[bold dove]

Who

[gusty turret]

Russia

Did you miss out on the coup?

[bold dove]

Wait, so China attacked a group of Russian troops?

[gusty turret]

Wagner occupied two cities for a day and had a massive convoy headed for Moscow and they had to beg for them to stop and go home

No Wagner, the mercenary group Russia uses

[bold dove]

Ooooh

[gusty turret]

Russia and Wagner keep infighting

[bold dove]

What is Wagner?

[gusty turret]

I just know its a mercenary group thats more competent than the Russian military

Like they didn't even try to fight back i guess they just immediately started digging trenches around Moscow

[bold dove]

Competent, sure.
But from what I'm googling, they're not any better morally wise.

[gusty turret]

Oh yeah definitely not

But militarily competency wise

What can we say though, Europe is a mess, as it has consistently been for the past hundred+ years

[bold dove]

Then here in America, we're having economic issues like we've had for hundreds of years.

[gusty turret]

And people shift the blame to whichever political leader is convenient even though its an issue thats blatantly been going on for ages and is no ones fault at this point

With a civil war also always on the brink

The world is wild

[bold dove]

Well, in the current situation it's the fault of multiple issues.
From the faulty system we have in place that're as old as the U.S itself, and hasn't been updated for modern-times.
To the people too stubborn to want to change it due to being stuck to old ways.
To how current politics is about fame and money then it is about actually making sure the country has a future.

[gusty turret]

So its Alexander Hamilton's fault?

Thats what im hearing

[bold dove]

Then you didn't hear right.
Not Alexander's fault for not being able to predict we'd have moving metal instead of horses. But it's still a system that needs to be updated.

The system is faulty, due to its age. Not of how it was written.

[gusty turret]

Hey that sounds like a game i know

[quaint marsh]

It's no one person's fault. Go to the past and those people did great things for their country back then, but screwed the future over. We are a globalised world with different ideologies and goals which will naturally clash.

[bold dove]

And no one can predict the future.
Again, not Alex's fault that he didn't think of the future, and was trying to make a good system for the at-the-time modern day.

[gusty turret]

Thennn what about Ronald Reagan

[bold dove]

What about him specifically?

[gusty turret]

I dunno i just know people don't like him or Richard Nixon

So hed be easy to blame things on

[bold dove]

He's to blame for specific things that he legalized/allowed, sure.
But for the general viewing of America, no.

[gusty turret]

But he could be

It would only take convincing a few people its his fault for the mob mentality to start kicking in

Pretty soon it becomes a mandela effect

Radicalize the opinion

Boom we have a religion based on hating Reagan

[bold dove]

Sure, but I'm speaking objectively, not subjectively.
A single person hasn't put us in the current situation we're in, that's 245 years of different viewpoints colliding with each other, each wanting their own laws and wars for either the betterment of the country, or for their own gain.

[gusty turret]

But objectively if enough people believe its his fault whos to say it isn't his fault at that point?

Its all a matter of what people believe

[bold dove]

Then it's still not objectively.
Just because if everyone believed the Earth was flat, doesn't make it true.

[gusty turret]

But if everyone believes it whos there to say its not?

Like if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it does it make a sound

[bold dove]

The competant people.
Cause you'll always have people questioning 'why?'
And once they discover the 'why' they'll know the true answer.

It's within human-nature to want to know and question.
Only takes one person to do so.

Same exact thing happened with discovering that Earth rotates around the Sun, not that everything rotates around Earth.

[quaint marsh]

Just because we think it's his fault, it doesn't mean it is his fault. We have been wrong about many things in the past. What you are talking about is the philosophical aspect, of if it's not real to us, is it still real?

The answer is yes, it is real. If a tree falls down and nobody hears it, yes, it makes a sound. We just don't know it because we can't hear it. But all the animals in the area do, they hear it and scatter. The insects feel it, they make homes in it. The plants around lose a tree to be in symbioisis with. That tree falling is still real, and the sound it makes is too, simply out of our view.

[gusty turret]

I'm talking illuminati of Reagan hate

Control the masses

[bold dove]

Controlling of masses is due to spreading 'false' information.
Plagorizing, if you will.

Defamation, even.

[gusty turret]

Exactly

[quaint marsh]

You'll usually have someone who is sceptical, and again, that doesn't make Reagan bad. It's just you manipulating how they think

[bold dove]

But it doesn't make it true.
Cause all you're doing is having a collective mindset of a lie.

[gusty turret]

But hear me out

[bold dove]

No

[gusty turret]

We do a little bit of trolling

[bold dove]

Russia be like-

[gusty turret]

Oh the p word is blocked

Poopin should just take his shirt off and ride a bear like all the memes

[quaint marsh]

He'd have my respect then, but only if he stays within Russian borders

[gusty turret]

Impossible

Hes like Rockwell

The confines of the simulation are getting too small for him

[bold dove]

POOPIN 💀 🤣

[bold dove]

Just like Rockwell, he's insane due to no one loving him.

[gusty turret]

Just like Rockwell, hes exterminated entire villages for fun

[bold dove]

Rockwell at least had redeeming qualities.
Poopin, has no redeeming qualities at any moment in his life.

[gusty turret]

Aren't doomslayer and the dog from animal crossing canonically married

[bold dove]

No.....

[gusty turret]

Are you sure about that

[bold dove]

Yes.
I know my DOOM-lore

And it was a father x daughter relationship, not a marriage one.

[gusty turret]

"Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is delighted to announce the long-awaited nuptials between Mr. Doom Slayer Ripandtearington III and Ms. Isabelle née Shizue. The wedding ceremony took place during Smash Ultimate’s final content update."

[bold dove]

Where was this?

[gusty turret]

Its from an article on the verge so that depends if you trust the verge or not

[bold dove]

Also, DOOM-Slater ain't even his real name. 🦛

[bold dove]

Isn't the Verge satire?

[gusty turret]

I don't know is it

I thought it was a tech news website

[quaint marsh]

When you say Poopins real name accidentally in a super long message and it's now all gone

Well, you moved on to doom lore anyway

[bold dove]

Okay, it isn't. But it's been known that most articles are written by idiots, so no.

Also, literally nothing else is saying this that's official.

The-verge, ain't official.

Like the point of the joke between DOOM x Animal-Crossing was due to both games coming out on the same day. So both communities got both of the most beloved characters and gave them a friendship akin to a Father x Daughter type, since the DOOM-Guy lost his pet rabbit, and Isabelle is a anthropomorphic dog. 🗿

[gusty turret]

Fair enough, thats one reason i was asking I thought the concept was odd

[bold dove]

Nah, the verge is just built different

[gusty turret]

Sometimes you need a little bit of built different in your day to keep it spicy

Im gonna be so disappointed when they sprawll tas episode releases out across weeks instead of dropping it all at once

I know thats how series usually work but

[bold dove]

God I hate that.
I enjoy binging a whole series then waiting

[gusty turret]

I want it all at once

[bold dove]

Eh, not anymore.
Most popular animations drop the whole season at once

[gusty turret]

The worst part about watching the rings of power was waiting a week between each episode

Everyone else had their own opinions about it but the only part i had an issue with was Sauron being a greasy man instead of white haired elf

Anyways

Doctor Who solos all of Ark

End of story

[brazen sparrow]

The Farm is just The Island, and we're technically getting a revamped Island already anyways 😅

[glad crow]

I think I remember an episode on a spaceship with a dinosaur, so he has experience.

[lyric tendon]

you realized he is also the first ever corrupted human

[bold dove]

The Doctor?

[lyric tendon]

yep

[bold dove]

The-Doctor isn't human......

[lyric tendon]

/r woosh

[bold dove]

Are you trying to make a poor David-Tennant joke, while not understanding 'actors =/= fictional-character?'

[lyric tendon]

yes

only the former

[bold dove]

Understandable.

Have a nice day.

[lyric tendon]

i have 0 patience watching the entire back catalog of Dr. Who since season 1

i am a person prefer watching shows since the begining to understand worldbuilding

[bold dove]

Oh no, fair enough. It's a long-ass show.

[bold dove]

Oh, wait.

Do you fucking mean the original series?!

[lyric tendon]

i dunno man, i aint no expert

[bold dove]

Show is separated into two series.
Old-who and New-who.
Old-who was the black-and white shit, that was the first 8-doctors.
New-Who is a reboot that requires no previous knowledge of Old-who, as it treats its audience as new viewers.

[bronze turtle]

Does anyone understand how to decipher the code that runs vertically? The ones on the holograms in extinction, the ones on the bosses data panels, etc…

[lyric tendon]

the Wiki has that for you

[bronze turtle]

Does anyone know what website transelates them at least?

[bold dove]

Yeah, on the wiki there's a translator.

It's homo-deus language.

Basically it's physical binary language.

[bronze turtle]

OH damn. Alright. I appreciate it, mate. : )

[bold dove]

Hang on, let me see if I can find the wiki page that has all of them already translated.

[bronze turtle]

No need to bother yourself. I’ll manage. Lol

[bold dove]

https://ark.wiki.gg/wiki/Ascension
The bottom has the translator, and further down has the translated text if you're having issues

[bronze turtle]

Thanks, man. I appreciate that. 🥂

[gusty turret]

I never said which doctor 😎

[bold dove]

True actually!

War-Doctor would probably have the easiest time.

Honestly, imagining all of the new-who doctors reacting to the ARK's would be interesting, if they didn't have their Tardis nor screwdriver, just their big-brains.

[gusty turret]

I think the screwdriver is exactly why he would solo

Or she

They

The doctor without the screwdriver and tardis is like hulk without hulk powers

[bold dove]

Then you've never seen the episodes that he doesn't use their screwdriver.

Doctor is a Time-lord, the smartest species in the universe.
A screwdriver wouldn't help negotiations, or fighting against primitive weaponry.

[gusty turret]

But in terms of hacking into the ark and everything to do with Extinction

[bold dove]

I believe there's been a few times that the Doctor couldn't hack or malfunction devices of civilizations nearly on-par to the Time-Lords.
I'd say god-like beings that the homo-deus are would be akin to this.

[mental basin]

Nobody ever said that.

[bold dove]

Is it not?

[mental basin]

It's definitely not, seeing as it was transmitted to the citizens of Sanctuary.

No, it's just a way of writing in the future.

Seemingly formal.

[bold dove]

That seems too smart for how newer generations are going down.

[mental basin]

... what newer generations. All the URE is dead.

[bold dove]

I mean real-life modern generations.

[mental basin]

Uh, oh.

[bold dove]

Tidepods

[mental basin]

Anyways, no. It's not Homo Deus language.

It's just URE Calligraphy.

Don't think I've ever seen the Feds use it.

[bold dove]

That's something I've always found interesting in sci-fi medias.
They don't really take generational differences into account.
It's mostly the same attitude, sense of humor, viewpoints, etc, as the creators have.

[mental basin]

Only in the ARKs, Sanctuary, HomoDeus and HLN-A.

[bold dove]

Welp, yet again. Something Bruise was wrong about

[mental basin]

Since when did you take information from Bruise ??

[bold dove]

Before you talked in here a lot.

When it was mostly me and him here for a bit.

[mental basin]

Sorry to hear.

[bold dove]

Dark times

[mental basin]

Oh, by the by

The Tekxt in Sanctuary wasn't removed

It's invisible as the result of a bug

Which came from a performance fix

[bold dove]

Okay, but that's bullshit, as they're just PNG's.

Had a modder friend look at it once, and there's nothing tied to them that'd impact performance.

[mental basin]

Yeah, that's why it was a bug. They were affected, when they clearly shouldn't have been.

But WC hasn't fixed it, after years.

I did tell Jat about it, and he said he'd talk to the team, but...

[bold dove]

When was that?

[mental basin]

Well... are they there now?

[mental basin]

Like, a year ago.

😭

[bold dove]

I don't think the Hall-of-History ones are back

Hopefully in ASA.

[mental basin]

They never left.

They function differently from the PNGs in Sanctuary. iirc they're actually 2D models.

So they weren't affected at all.

[bold dove]

Interesting, cause whenever I go into the Hall-of-History, they're never there.

[mental basin]

Can you show?

Last time I went there they were present

They're just really small

At least compared to the Sanct. ones

[bold dove]

I have an active save on The-Island, I'm not going to go into gcm.

[mental basin]

Sanctuary Tekxt is huge

Fair enough

Anyways, I'm off to bed.

[bold dove]

Night

[bronze turtle]

I’m pretty sure it can be seen with the strider hacking if I’m not wrong

[lyric tendon]

they treat it as a normal binary code like a Programmer would, not as a spoken language

[mental basin]

You're right, that's a good catch.

[brazen sparrow]

First off, I wasn't "wrong", the very first set (third group near the dead Earth hologram, to be precise) of tekxt/homo deus writing/ascension text in the game that is possible to read (in the hall of history) mentions the Homo Deus for the first time, and it was/has always been assumed since that the Homo Deus knew and did communicate via the language when/if possible.

Otherwise, how did the tekxt get there? If all the humans were extinct so as to warrant the first few messages and holograms, who put it there/reported on the matter in question? The Overseer, most likely. Whom is a Homo Deus.

Secondly, if all you lot are going to do when mentioning me is belittle and demean me, don't fucking mention me. Thanks in advance ✌️

[quaint marsh]

Where are the Sanctuary ones? Have hardly explored that area

[mental basin]

They used to dangle from certain overhangs.

There was a kiosk with one, iirc.

But they were accidentally hidden as per a performance update.

[bronze turtle]

are uploads and downloads canon

[bold dove]

Transfering via Ascension is canon. But not via obelisks or drops

[bronze turtle]

alright thx

[gusty turret]

We still can't even say for sure if drops are canon

Like sure they're a visual element but it feels like just another thing they thought looked cool

In the overseer area

Because i mean like theres like 6 tubes there you think they're shooting drops all over the ark?

And they're never once mentioned by anyone so

[bold dove]

Hopefully ASA will help this.

ARK has quite a few continuity errors.
Hopefully with Wildcard knowing the lore-side of the game is worth putting money into. They'll make stuff like that more consistant.

[gusty turret]

They'll probably just redesign it and slap it in

Our best bet for getting a better idea will probably be TAS

Cave crates especially don't make sense to me

[brazen sparrow]

That's because they simply don't exist pre-Helena Deus, she does something to the Arks iirc, don't remember which note it's in but they are mentioned I'm pretty sure just like the respawn mechanic

[gusty turret]

I don't think drops are ever mentioned

She implemented tiny bits of code across the arks very slowly for respawn protocol, her implementing drops would involve an entirely new construction project on all the arks to implement the area the drops were created/launched from

Tbh ??? Note 15 is just a spoiler for ark 2

And so everything will end where it began. The planet, the System, your species and every bit of life that inhabits this tiny corner of the universe. All of it.

Then perhaps something new will begin, but that depends on you...and the forces that stand in your way.

In nature, the survival of one species can come at the expense of another. As ecosystems change, those that adapt more effectively can push those weaker than themselves to extinction. Humanity once did this to the neanderthals, and now it is finally your turn. At last, face to face from a superior threat, you and all your kin must answer that timeless question...

Will you survive?

[brazen sparrow]

The Arks have fabricators just as the ship does, really not all that far fetched either way. I wish I had time to scour the notes...

[gusty turret]

I just reread through ??? And one who waits and i didn't see it

I kinda skimmed though so

I stand to be corrected but i don't think they're ever mentioned

The only "gift" she mentions is the mega mek

She probably wouldn't want the ships fabricators wasting more resources on drops that it could be using to fabricate brute force meat shields anyways

I bestow upon you... 3 medium crop plot blueprints

Imagine that was her final gift to fight the king titan

Im still salty species r plants aren't defensive plants!

They had every reason to be the melee version of species x that could just whack people but they just decided to not do that

I think everyone would've liked that better than meat plants

[brazen sparrow]

Really hope they finish and implement the carnivorous plant seed that was taken out, which is what I think you mean

The r seeds were always just meat

[gusty turret]

Yeah but in the organs they whack you

I think they should whack

[brazen sparrow]

That's not the same thing, even if it looks similar

[gusty turret]

Carnivorous plant would be cool too

But tentacle whack

[gusty turret]

But they c o u l d be

I also think making the experimental giga a temporary tame like a titan would've been the play

[brazen sparrow]

Those are a part of Rockwell, hence the whacking. The ones we get are disconnected from him and are messed with at a genetic level to be crops of meat

The experimental giga was honestly cool but would be best as a skin rewarded for beating the mission tbh, also no one can tell me that we shouldn't have got tameable tek gigas in Gen 1 space biome (I mean they literally exist in the code and have eggs and everything) and also got all the VR creature skins from various missions as rewards as well

[gusty turret]

Why not temporary titan experimental giga though

[brazen sparrow]

Because temp tames are cringe

[gusty turret]

A normal giga with an experimental skin wouldn't hit the same

Its not near as big and it wouldn't have the abilities

It may actually be near as big I haven't been near a giga or the experimental giga in a long time

[brazen sparrow]

It's barely any bigger iirc

[gusty turret]

But i think temporary tame you get from beating the mission on alpha would be cool

Its experimental so definitely highly unstable so it makes sense to be temporary out of the simulation

It wouldn't be too op

[brazen sparrow]

Let's uber gatekeep a likely busted temp tame for the sake of... a cool lookin, better giga. No thanks

Titanosaurs and titans are already gatekept hard enough

TL;DR, boo temp tames boooooooooooo

[gusty turret]

But cool giga temp tame

Titanosaurs are why i wanted the dreadnought to win

But people wanted the stinky raptor instead

Did they just forget a center vote or...

[brazen sparrow]

Perhaps, I hope they are just doing something sick nasty behind the scenes and are revamping the shit out of it and that's why it's been skipped over as it's later in the release timeline

[gusty turret]

We can dream

[brazen sparrow]

I also wanted dreadnought

[gusty turret]

It feels so empty as is

I wish people would stop suggesting gorgonops in favor of something actually cool

Its obvious it's never gonna win

Its been in like every vote... Its never happening....

The only thing i want less than the gorgonops is any feline

[autumn turret]

i love feline

[gusty turret]

People just keep suggesting cheetahs its not even any cool felines

[autumn turret]

man

[brazen sparrow]

I hate that they keep trying to pander to every player group with it, like, clearly not enough people care about gorgo, stop adding abilities just to get the popular vote or to get some youtuber to get his fanbase to vote for you

[gusty turret]

they should just tlc sabertooths and call it a day with felines

[brazen sparrow]

The cheetah sounded alright in the beginning, but then they changed it to be literally just a mana that can't fly... blech

[gusty turret]

I really liked the bastion beetle but I was okay with the however you spell it sky giga winning too

Bastion beetle would be hella cool for dogfights on less serious servers

[brazen sparrow]

Rhynio was cool when we were under the impression we could get females and breed it, but uh

[gusty turret]

Sky giga is just an attack helicopter that can get you pregnant

[brazen sparrow]

Still think beetle will go really good on either Ab or Val in the Ab zone

[gusty turret]

I think thats where the jumping spider goes

I could see the beetle in val but not in abb zone

[brazen sparrow]

The bola one?

[gusty turret]

I think so

[brazen sparrow]

I can see that, lots of things need to be bola'd in Ab

[gusty turret]

Whichever one was suggested for island that didn't fit the map very well

Not island

Scorched, oops

Im really glad fasola won scorched that was my vote

[brazen sparrow]

I can't remember my top, I think it was bastion, but that was my second and I'm very glad it won, looks great and fits the map well imo

[gusty turret]

I kinda dropped bastion once rhynio won i just wanted a new flying bug

I didn't like most of the options for the rag vote i hope the abb vote is better 😭

I think we could use some abb sauropods tbh

[brazen sparrow]

I still want more invertebrates 😅

[gusty turret]

So im hoping for a sauropod victory

[brazen sparrow]

Not enough inverts whatsoever

[gusty turret]

Maybe a competitor to the reaper

Make a love triangle between reapers drakes and whatever wins the next vote

[brazen sparrow]

A good sauropod would be nice too, but idk how I feel about it, the herbivores are pretty rounded out as is

[gusty turret]

Abb lacks a lot of big creatures

[brazen sparrow]

Anything messing with that side of creatures could be disastrous

[gusty turret]

I just want something big and i think a sauropod would fit that

[brazen sparrow]

Also I felt this, I think we've just reached vote fatigue and they need to give us a break in between

It's literally that meme

[gusty turret]

The yes babe meme

[brazen sparrow]

"Honey, new Ark vote is up! Vote NOW!!!"

[low briar]

Also kinda sucks with Aberrant Reptors being able dismount/pin small creatures still

[gusty turret]

Thats fine

They can dismount and pin literally anything is the issue

I remember meeting one on Fjordur and getting dismounted off my argy

Then an alpha carno ran up and ate me

I would enjoy a new relative around the size of a carno or allo ngl

Oh yeah the majunga was pretty high up for me

[brazen sparrow]

Yeah, majunga on Ab would fit

With it's whole proposed abilities and even just general look

Very Ab-like

Alright, well I gotta go, been a good chat! Gn fellers 😴

[gusty turret]

I didn't even read any of the proposed abilities ngl, like on any of them i voted last minute this time so i didn't care i just looked at the picture

[lofty scaffold]

Same I hope abb has some cool votes since abb is my favorite map besides center

I'll Riot if the center vote isn't a cool dino

[gusty turret]

Yeah abb is my favorite map too

Scorched is my least favorite

[lofty scaffold]

I like the og maps equally tbh after abb is when maps fell off for me besides Valguero that's the exception the rest I kinda dislike

So hopefully the new dlc/any other mod maps that come out for Asa will be good

[gusty turret]

I like everything except gen 2 and scorched

Gen 2 isn't even bad its just too easy

[lofty scaffold]

Gen 2 is kinda pve when it comes to pvp base spots

[low briar]

After Ab, all the DLCs/maps just start power escalating and power creep is real

Ab was just ... 👌

Perfect

[lofty scaffold]

Fr abb was perfect and agree about power scale when it comes to Paid dlc maps

[gusty turret]

Extinction wasn't bad

I think after Extinct is the downhill point

Even gen 1 wasn't that bad

Remove the element rocks and perfection

Gen 2 isn't bad for base spots either raiding in ark just isn't fun anymore

2016 big massive bases surrounded by gates was peak ark raiding

[lofty scaffold]

Eh for me it's the vibe of the map if the vibe ain't right then its not for me gen 2 has like 3 good spots besides vents and yeah land bases were peak extinction ruined that

[gusty turret]

Extinction was unique i liked that

Just like how abb was unique with no flyers

They kinda ruined that with maewings and bloodstalkers but eh

Ngl i don't like how the fasola dossier is written

[bronze turtle]

I feel like there should have been more bosses on gen 1, I know that there are a lot of missions to complete and stuff, but it is supposed to be challenging, and I would have loved to see more cool bosses like Moeder, which had a fantastic model, and it was totally unique, I was just left wanting more.

[mental basin]

There are, in the lore.

But Wildcard went past their deadline Rockwell deleted them from the Simulation.

[bronze turtle]

Lmaooo

Wildcard needs to stay consistent once in a while lol

[mental basin]

Yeah, there was one for each Biome, but Moeder was the only one smart enough to hide herself from Rockwell.

[bronze turtle]

wouldn't rockwell want the bosses, it would slow down the survivor from being able to get out of the simulation

[mental basin]

No, because he wanted total rule over the Simulation.

The Master AIs are sentient, and definitely wouldn't allow that to happen.

If anything, they would slow Rockwell down.

[bronze turtle]

ahh okay

[fiery cape]

i have a crush on helena

[bronze turtle]

She's taken

[chrome marlin]

When did the corruption hivemind and titans emerge.
It has to be after the ARKs went into orbit and the Genesis ship left, right?

[gusty turret]

Ehhhhh yes but no, we don't really know exactly when titans started showing up, but we do know it was a race against time so it was probably actively happening while they were under construction

But it didn't get bad bad until after the launch as the last bastions of humanity fell etc etc

And most titans weren't as big as the ones we have

[fiery cape]

cap

[lyric tendon]

she is indeed taken, and her life as well apparently

[gusty turret]

Why would you even have a crush on her shes dumb and annoying

Tbh they should've just made tas be a journal style account of the events leading up to "the end" with no humans being left on Earth

Maybe from someone inside Sanctuary even

Just like an account of when things happened, the first attack of the corruption, the first titan sighting, just little tidbits like that

Including stuff from the tekxt like arat prime going dark and whatever the overseer protocol is

Or dedicating it to Mei and Diana post extinction notes

[mental basin]

The hivemind and the Titans formed towards the very end of humanity. There's no explicit date, but it's most plausible that, if not simultaneously/immediately, they appear soon after the Gen-Ship/ARKs are launched.

[chrome marlin]

Thanks, it'd make sense they'd only appear after humanity left earth since the two superpowers could easily crush them if they had stuff like tek fighter jets and the manpower to make a spaceship bigger than some countries.

[mental basin]

Maybe in their prime, but in the state they were at, it was Extinction.

See what I did there?

[bold dove]

[bronze turtle]

Wearing none

[lofty scaffold]

Yeah it would be cool to see the back story fleshed out more

[bold dove]

Certainly would've caused less drama with the people having issues with the changes in TAS.
Something akin to what Edgerunner did.

Prequel story that's canon but has no effect on the games main plot.

[gusty turret]

Yeah thats what im saying, it would just be easier to write a prequel instead of writing on top of existing canon

Thats the issue im having with the fnaf movie and the trailers they've released

[bold dove]

Hell, if they really wanted to. They could've made a literal Cyberpunk show, since for all we know, tek-civilization was crime ridden.

[gusty turret]

Why else would they need enforcers and defense units if it wasn't

[bold dove]

Those where made during the Collapse.

[minor cairn]

who is the veiny person in the island cinematic

[gusty turret]

Bob?

[bold dove]

Which one?

[minor cairn]

the blue veiny thing

that floats

[bold dove]

I mean which cinematic.

[minor cairn]

the intro

[bold dove]

Oh, that's Helena

[minor cairn]

oh

[bold dove]

/The-One-Who-Waits

[minor cairn]

then whos the one in the intro to scorched

[bold dove]

Also Helena

[minor cairn]

ab?

[gusty turret]

Helena

[minor cairn]

EXTINCTION?

[bold dove]

She's guading us through the ARK's

[gusty turret]

Helana

[minor cairn]

extinction isn't an ark

[bold dove]

Helena

[gusty turret]

You should really read the notes

[bold dove]

'The game'
Fucking better?

[minor cairn]

then what about gen 1

she aint in there

no hlna isn't helena

[gusty turret]

HLNA is part of Helena

[bold dove]

HLN-A is the new guide.

[minor cairn]

everyone has a hlna

[bold dove]

Not canonically

[gusty turret]

Theres only one of us in the simulation as far as we know

[minor cairn]

then who doesn't

[bold dove]

The people that you don't see an HLN-A following

[minor cairn]

but i see hlna following everyone

[bold dove]

No you don't.
You see the skin following everyone, which isn't canon

HLN-A as herself on the maps is client sided.

[minor cairn]

what about ragnarok

[bold dove]

Not canon

[minor cairn]

or fjordur or ci and stuff

oh

[bold dove]

They're called 'non-story' for a reason

[gusty turret]

The arks canonically could have all of us as the player, in the simulation there is one protagonist im pretty sure

[bold dove]

There's multiple.

But only one person has HLN-A.

Which is in your perspective, you.

[minor cairn]

what about rockwell

[bold dove]

You see at the end of Gen1 that there's people still sleeping in the simulation.

[minor cairn]

why isn't he in the intro

[bold dove]

Cause he's not guiding us?

[minor cairn]

santiago?

[bold dove]

He's dead at that point

[glad crow]

Multiple times over.

[gusty turret]

I mean we don't necessarily know if we share our simulation with anyone else or not

[minor cairn]

also why is helena super vascular in the intros

[bold dove]

Santiago is dead until the end of Gen2

[gusty turret]

The simulation Gabriel describes is very different than our simulation

[bold dove]

The trait of becoming godlike

[minor cairn]

so she's a god?

[gusty turret]

No

[bold dove]

It's the same simulation.

[minor cairn]

then why tf do i have to do all that bs of going through arks

or saving earth and shit

[bold dove]

Semi.
She's a Homo-Deus, a human made out of nothing but energy.

[gusty turret]

Because thats important

[bold dove]

Cause they're gods within their appearance. But not abilities.

[lyric tendon]

The Gen Ship is just "just in case the ARKs failed"

[bold dove]

Actually, otherway around

[gusty turret]

Except the ship was made first

[bold dove]

Gen-ship was made before the ARK's.

[lyric tendon]

Even proto ARK?

[bold dove]

Yep

Gen-ship was intended to find a new home for Earth-life, while the ARK's where made as a backup plan to see if the corruption would die-down over time.

[lyric tendon]

Weird what about that banners that said "on construction" on Ext before the performance update

[bold dove]

Welcome to lore inconsistancy.

[lyric tendon]

Tbh Gen made it inconsistent

[bold dove]

Also, I could assume that banner wasn't updated for hundreds of years.

[gusty turret]

Yeahhhh

[bold dove]

So maybe when it was made, it was under construction way before the ARK's.

[lyric tendon]

I don't mind the sim being first tho

[bold dove]

We also know Sanctuary was the last city on Earth. But we don't know if it was made for that reason, or if it always existed before the Collapse.

[lyric tendon]

But not the biome in the ship

[gusty turret]

The more important takeaways from the banners are "rationing" "defensive barrier" "overseer protocol" and "arat prime has gone dark"

[bold dove]

I think the idea was basically 'Skeleton of the ship was made, then the simulation, then the ship finished and launched. If ship never finds a new home, then the ship itself would become the new home via the simulation.'

Which does make more logical sense then the ARK's do in the sense of what we'd most likely would do.
Politics aside, humanity loves their planet. But if it did become irreversibly damaged, humanity first.

[gusty turret]

Except the Arks were made by the cyborg hippies so what makes sense is slightly different

[bold dove]

I mean it makes sense to make a ship to preserve ourselves then to try to save the planet first.

[gusty turret]

The transhumans held different values 🤷‍♂️

[bold dove]

🤦‍♂️

You're not getting what I'm saying

[gusty turret]

Apparently not

Is the then supposed to be a then or is it a than

Cuz im reading it as than

[bold dove]

It's suppose to be in perspective of what 'we' in real-life would do.

[bold dove]

.

[gusty turret]

I dunno we got some crazy mountain people in America

Theyd probably fight off the corruption on their own tbh

They're on about the same level as us in game

[bold dove]

Until they got overran and converted.

[gusty turret]

Unless they don't

You don't know what a redneck gassed up on homemade moonshine can do

[bold dove]

I do, actually.

[gusty turret]

From experience?

[bold dove]

Yes

[gusty turret]

Sounds like an interesting story

Does it involve taking down an element monster

[bold dove]

No, it involves a redneck getting into a car accident.

[gusty turret]

It could be like star wars

Drive a car warp speed into the king titan

Thats how we solve all the stories now

Lord of the rings fly an eagle warp speed into sauron

I don't get how ftl lanes actually work

Like i get they're preestablished lanes that are meant to be safe for hyperspeed but i don't get how they know they're safe

Isn't one thing about space its full of debris that makes a habit of just floating around

[bold dove]

Yeah, but there's theoretical ways to counter this.

[gusty turret]

So like sure the lane is safe at one point but whos to say its gonna be safe at a later point

[glad crow]

Space is rather empty so I'd say you got decent odds. I suppose a long enough lane would counter that.

[bold dove]

Actually, half correct

[brazen sparrow]

Most "FTL" in most media is wormhole related anyways, so you practically jump from point a to b almost instantly, ignoring the space in-between

[bold dove]

It's empty, but has a lot of debree that would causes issues in space travel.

[gusty turret]

Yeah but wormhole travel isn't really the same as ftl travel

At least by my definition

[brazen sparrow]

It is, by the definition, faster than light to practically teleport long distance, instantly 😅

[gusty turret]

I mean yeah but you just teleport you don't actually travel between point a and b you just get there

[brazen sparrow]

It's not quite teleportation, hence the practically

You still travel/drive through the wormhole as a physical object after the (insert various terminology) drive tears the hyperlane open in most cases

[gusty turret]

I just don't feel like wormholes are in the spirit of it

I play stellaris so wormholes and ftl lanes are two different things for me

[brazen sparrow]

I also play Stellaris, and that doesn't change the fact that there's two widely known (and different) forms of ftl travel lol

[mental basin]

You're right with, Gen-Ship started construction, Gen-Sim started soon after- both coexist, the Genesis-Ship is finished, but lacks a destination due to time constraints, whereas the Simulation runs far less finished, also due to time constraints, as stated by HLN-A several times in Gen 1.

The last part is purely speculative.

[bold dove]

Fair.
But I'd say that's a reasonable theory, no?

[mental basin]

It's got as much base as the Engrams theory, do note.

[bold dove]

Which is basically none.

[mental basin]

My OWN personal hypothesis, is that if Arat didn't exist, the Genesis-Ship would've arrived back on Earth post Reseed.

The Ship looks for A habitable world- and Earth would be habitable.

[bold dove]

True actually.

[mental basin]

The crew, if they were alive in this scenario, would be so fucking confused.

[bold dove]

"Something tells me this, is the weird part"

[mental basin]

They do know that Element destroyed the Earth, but everything seems relatively hush-hush. It was taboo for Nida to even talk about the Homo Deus, let alone do research on them.

[bold dove]

Yeah, so they might not even know the proto-ARK's went anywhere.

[mental basin]

"Well we were supposed to name this place Arat, but this is Earth. We'll call it, Ear Rat."

[bold dove]

I don't think the people on Earth would take kindly of aliens naming their planet.

Oh wait.

[mental basin]

I don't think they know about the ARKs in general.

"Our ship holds the last archival specimens of life from Earth, and there's an extinction-level event in progress." - Nida

I'd assume there's information on the ARKs on the Ship, but it would probably be restricted.

[bold dove]

True. Probably only for highest authority.

[mental basin]

Knowing the URE and Feds

Yeah each side doesn't want anyone to know about the other

[bold dove]

Yeah, they where allied. But I doubt tentions where fully gone.

[mental basin]

They warred in the end.

HLN-A in Gen1 states that they went back to fighting over Element.

Right before everyone was wiped out.

[bold dove]

Really now?

That seems.....out of character compared to the pre-genesis lore.

[mental basin]

TLDR:
They fight
They team
They build it
Some leave
The rest stay
They fight
Everyone dies

[mental basin]

Element is just that alluring, apparently.

[bold dove]

I don't know. With Marcs original intention for corruption being a metaphor for oil refineries, and how governments fight over oil. Seems a bit weird for them to make peace, even ally, then go back to each others throats at the last second even when there's more pressing dangers.

Just seems weird.

[gusty turret]

Its kinda like Batman vs Superman

Much akin to Morbius, that was one of the movies of all time

[mental basin]

There weren't pressing matters.

Everything was over.

The ARKs? Gone. Genesis-Ship? Gone.

Only those who were abandoned remained.

[bold dove]

Ever heard of the Christmas truce of 1914?

[mental basin]

Yeah, but how does that apply here?

[bold dove]

If a band of soldiers from two opposing governments that hate each other can have peace over a human-made holiday. I don't think it's too out there to think they'd just be chilling with each other with the end of the world.

[mental basin]

Not when the most potent Element in the entire known universe is at play.

[bold dove]

I don't know man. Just cause soldiers follow orders, doesn't mean they share their leaders same political views.
And if they knew the world was ending and there was no hope for them, why would they try to fight over Element when it wouldn't do any good for them currently?

[gusty turret]

The soldiers refused to start fighting each other again so they were transferred elsewhere and the fighting started again

[bold dove]

Correct.
But with a ending world. I don't think even soldiers would give enough fucks about their leaders political issues.

[gusty turret]

I think you misjudge the will of some soldiers

That could be why they were the remnants

They were so dedicated they refused to leave

[bold dove]

Could be that.
Could be that the political leaders left on their respective ARK/ship and the leftover soldiers where the ones to start the fight again

[gusty turret]

Maybe they weren't fully aware what was happening

Tensions were already high evidently, people weren't happy with being cloned, those that knew about it at least, and we don't know about how many potential leaks there were concerning the matter with hackers like Santiago on the loose, Yong Ki went radical and bombed the ship they were still not on good terms

Just because they made peace doesn't mean they liked each other

Kinda like the cold war, we were at peace but were we really

[rapid lotus]

How where nameless made

[gusty turret]

When a daddy nameless loves a mommy nameless very much

And they get to the point where they wanna take that love to the next level

[rapid lotus]

Lol

[brazen sparrow]

Nobody knows, but most likely the Overseer of Ab created them as the punishment for the tek tribe ala the wyverns and mantis of Scorched

[gusty turret]

Is that what we're saying the mantis were now?

I always took it as just a horde attacking

[brazen sparrow]

The mantis have always been the Arks wanting the survivors to get up and do something

Literally just the "come on, do something" meme from the Overseer

[gusty turret]

Yeah but i didn't think they were exclusively for that

I thought they had been there the whole time they just got pissed because the overseer made them

I wanna put Helena in a vacuum

She 1000% could've done more if she didn't spend so much time thinking

Hell she probably could've created a program to make the megamek autonomous

The one who waits how about the one who gets off her rear and does something

How long did she waste making very temporary immortality that she could've used to make the big bad robot that can kill the king titan better at its job

[lyric tendon]

She ain't no programmer

That is why

[gusty turret]

I mean she programmed the arks for the respawn protocol so

[lyric tendon]

She only knew basic stuff from Santiago but beyond that, it's on her own

I doubt Santiago told her the entire coding of the megamek

[gusty turret]

She had god knows how long to figure out coding too like

Even if she wasn't able to she had quite literally nothing else to do

[lyric tendon]

Who knows she just turned on/off the respawn and reseed protocol

[gusty turret]

No she created the respawn protocol from scratch

[lyric tendon]

Proof?

[gusty turret]

Im gonna have to go find it in the notes hang on

???#8
As I've said, even digital creations are beyond my direct control. So it is with the System - these islands in the sky. I can speak with the the artificial minds that oversee their operations, but they have a will of their own. They too think, act and live.

So to change the system, my suggestions must be minuscule and their purpose masked. Incremental bits of code that are trivial alone, but substantial when whole. Thousands of puzzle pieces, scattered across these islands - these seeds in the sky - slowly coalescing and taking shape...

Until at last they formed you.
And what are you exactly? Once you break free, once you fall from the sky, I'll tell you your name. It will all make sense to you then.

One who waits #7
In experimentation, consistency is important. Repetition, patterns, causality, those are the tools that build results, even where death is concerned. One successful trial was not a cure. The circumstances could have been specific, impossible to replicate even for the same subject. So that first time, one second chance for just one soul was all I could promise.

Yet in orbit, I had subjects beyond counting. So I tested. Endlessly, I tested. So many trials, so many failures, but out of them rose another success. Then an entire generation of them. Then at last, you.

I don't know how long it took. Centuries? Millenia? Time was especially murky for me then, but I still remember all the souls death claimed - the ones that faded before I could reach them. Even when I tried and tried, I could not make them whole again, no matter the effort. No matter the desire.

There

Thats what i consider proof at least

Whered slow mode go i can send messages so fast now

Oh its back

Sad

[lyric tendon]

It's the overseers helped out as well

I don't think the protocol is just "her work alone"

She is a biologist, she is no engineer or programer after all

Sure she devoted her remaining life as a HD to make the protocol a reality but she has to coax the overseers to help her

Or at least let her tamper the program

[gusty turret]

That was the point of her having to suggest lines of code so small and insignificant that the overseers wouldn't suspect anything

And would just implement it

[lyric tendon]

May I reminded you that she learned some from Santiago WHILE they are in the Heart of the Station in Ab

She did not made the code herself

She just does some trial and error

[gusty turret]

There was nowhere else to get the code so she had to

The overseers weren't helping her

[bronze turtle]

team rockwell rise

[mental basin]

If I remember correctly...

Mazda is correct.

Helena couldn't actually edit the System directly- that's why it took so long for her efforts to come to fruition.

She would coax the Overseers over time, which slowly planted her ideas into their programming.

[low briar]

SetPlayerRespawn=true

SetRockDrakeKOTame=false
SetAllowGigaBoss=false

What else? 😂

[gusty turret]

I mean im pretty sure the notes i sent talk about her slowly figuring it out on her own and having to suggest insignificant little lines of code across all the arks till they all came together and triggered the respawn protocol but what do i know

[bold dove]

So basically, she had the idea. But not the authority to actually implement it?
So she had to convince the Overseers one bit at a time.

[mental basin]

Yeah, pretty much.

But the "convincing" was just artifactual suggestions which overtime, became an action.

[bold dove]

Right, more like feeding small bits of codes to the Overseers until 'they' did something with it.

[mental basin]

I... guess that's pretty close.

[bold dove]

Did I say something wrong?

[mental basin]

Just semantics. She didn't feed them code. She fed them suggestions, which took root as code.

But that's just me being extremely picky.

[gusty turret]

I mean i don't see how you can implement a large amount of code very slowly over time with just suggestions

Unless those suggestions are just code

Otherwise how would she know the overseers would implement it correctly instead of doing it a different way that wouldn't all come together to do the respawn protocol

I feel like taking her saying she had to implement trivial amounts of code at a time across all the arks at face value provides a more logical conclusion

[low briar]

Helena is the reason Ark is a spaghetti code mess in need of a UE5 remake

[rain dock]

Recent advances in ai should be evidence that this is possible

[gusty turret]

Yeah but like what is she possibly gonna suggest that isn't just a line of code

I just think its highly illogical to say she put anything except code in

She had hundreds of years with nothing to do besides run math and code in her head she probably picked up a thing or two

[brazen sparrow]

I don't see why this a point of contention, she literally says that she gave them bits of code at a time to implement that seemed insignificant to the Overseers but, in the grand scope of things, allow for the respawn protocol to be put in place... how hard is that to understand?

Davay literally posted the note word for word too lmao

"So to change the system, my suggestions must be minuscule and their purpose masked. Incremental bits of code that are trivial alone, but substantial when whole. Thousands of puzzle pieces, scattered across these islands - these seeds in the sky - slowly coalescing and taking shape..."

[gusty turret]

I get I've said a lot of wrong and stupid things before but she literally says it😭

[brazen sparrow]

Yeah idk what they're on about, you're right here because you actually deadass have the source right there in your message that backs up what you said 🤣

[rain dock]

I don't even know what the argument is, but we have tech today that can write code from suggestions

It's not illogical, just not practical yet

[gusty turret]

The argument is did Helena suggest actual code or somehow not code

While we do have tech today, its very illogical and impractical to believe she was just telling the overseers "hey can you make code for this tiny little bit of this thing that will allow respawning survivors that has to come together with similar bits of code from all the other Arks"

Theres just absolutely no way she could do that while masking her purpose, it basically had to just be code

As she said about the errors in the system, a trickle quickly becomes a flood, those bits of code were a trickle and the respawn protocol was the flood

I wonder though, why didn't the overseers attempt to reverse the respawn protocol? Were they not aware it was happening? Or was it too late once it was set in stone so to say?

[brazen sparrow]

The argument in my eyes was, did she or did she not directly send code for the Overseers to implement, bit by bit. The obvious and resounding answer is... yes, lol

[gusty turret]

It started with mazda saying Helena didn't know how to code when i said she was lazy for not doing more

[brazen sparrow]

I think it's one of those things where the Overseers just thought it was a good idea because they technically implemented it

So they just left it in for pride's sake

[gusty turret]

They don't have pride though they're still artificial intelligence

[brazen sparrow]

Plus it let them keep testing on survivors to get them to the ultimate goal

[brazen sparrow]

They are not AI, they are Homo Deus bound to the material plane via a bio-mechanical/element based shell

[gusty turret]

Helena refers to them as artificial minds so

I know the homodeus are within but she also talks immensely about how they're all long faded and shes the only one left

[brazen sparrow]

Overseer are not AI, she is simply wrong in her understanding. The Homo Deus is still there, it's just stripped of all emotion as they become over time, like Helena herself does eventually. She puts her emotions (and therefore personality) into HLN-A so as to preserve them

[gusty turret]

Back to good ol number 8
As I've said, even digital creations are beyond my direct control. So it is with the System - these islands in the sky. I can speak with the the artificial minds that oversee their operations, but they have a will of their own. They too think, act and live.

[gusty turret]

So if their emotions have faded they can't feel pride, right?

[brazen sparrow]

Sure, I guess. But even low level programs can be proud of their work in a universe with biomechanical constructs, I'd imagine. And she says they think act and live, so it's safe to assume they have basic needs and personalities, and by basic I mean like down to the core tenets of their being and purpose

(Which is to produce humans strong enough to inhabit a never-going-to-be-fixed Earth)

[gusty turret]

But it's an important distinction that the homodeus serve as a power source now, nothing more, they rely on the "flawed proxies" as they are unable to do anything else

Helena also mentions their souls "turning to smoke" so basically, they aren't them anymore, they're just a battery

Which is definitely unethical but

[brazen sparrow]

No, they're still "alive", just in such a baser function type of way so as to not be considered "life", if that makes sense

[gusty turret]

Its like the episode of Doctor Who where they have all the artificially grown people in the basement of the hospital to cure all the diseases

Not exactly but similar enough

[brazen sparrow]

Except the Homo Deus aren't skinvelopes and this isn't Doctor Who or that other show that did the same thing that I can't remember the name of

But close enough, you get the gist

[gusty turret]

Its similar in the way that they have been reduced to the point of being "livestock" and are only serving as means to an end

[brazen sparrow]

Yeah, their baser functions

[gusty turret]

How do you think a homodeus would taste

I feel like it would be tingly

[brazen sparrow]

Like air, seeing as they aren't a physical object

[gusty turret]

Yeah but you could definitely still get a taste

[brazen sparrow]

A taste of air, but sure

[gusty turret]

You can taste electricity

[brazen sparrow]

They don't even exist on our plane of being as we know it

[gusty turret]

But Helenas there

[brazen sparrow]

Electricity is a physical object, though

[gusty turret]

I just wanna take a bite out of Helena

[brazen sparrow]

Yeah, by sheer force of will

[gusty turret]

Not the human part but like her arm

Why does she still have a human head

Thats always been weird to me

[brazen sparrow]

She's an energy being, she can look like whatever she wants lol

[gusty turret]

But it looks weird

I think it was a poor design choice

Im just gonna like put a cloth hat with the homodeus skin on her head next time

Imagine ark vr with interactions like skyrim

Just like grabbing Helena's face and slapping her around

[brazen sparrow]

Hmmmmmmm

I'd rather not

[gusty turret]

But itd be funny

Everybody has wanted to beat up Helena at least once

[brazen sparrow]

Not me, I'm good

I'll take a rain check on that one

[gusty turret]

Lame

[lofty scaffold]

Wouldn't it suck to be a homodeus like miserable

[gusty turret]

It just depends on the person I'd say

Its an introverts dream

[mental basin]

That's exactly how Helena describes it.

Isolated and alone, at least for her.

Since everyone else was a lifeless husk by then.

They also seem to lose most sense of emotion.

[lofty scaffold]

It's exactly why eren Yeager went off the deep end being able to see the past present and future all at once is insane

Knowing everything seeing everything would make you insane

[mental basin]

Uma was completely dispassionate as a result of her Transhumanism, only showing true emotion after saying goodbye to Santiago. Helena also talks in a relatively dispassionate way until the Extinction Prologue, where she concedes that she's still Helena Walker.

You can even tell in her voice, as it switches from an echo to her normal voice.

[bold dove]

Which I assume was a sort of 'last understanding she's still who she is' before being yeeted back to whatever dimension she goes into at the end.

[mental basin]

Homo Deus can handle it, not that it's necessarily 'comfortable' after a time. The constant stream of information though, is what makes them husks of their former selves.

[bold dove]

Oh, by the way. Did you see that they changed the MCM's voice in the Switch trailer?

Motherfucker sounds goofy now.

"Prepare to be deleted :D"

[mental basin]

I need to show you something.

[bold dove]

Show.

[mental basin]

As you're watching that, I'll explain.

[bold dove]

I knew this

But they didn't change the boss lines until now.

[mental basin]

Oh, okay.

[bold dove]

And they added more reverb for some reason, to the point you can't even tell it's Tennant in the trailer.

[mental basin]

I have nothing to explain, then. I'd assume they'll change it across all platforms at some point.

[bold dove]

Probably when ASA comes out.

[mental basin]

In an unannounced update, probably.

[low briar]

Tennant adjacent?

[bold dove]

I like his note voicelines. But the voice-line at the end of the trailer sounds fucking dumb.

[sick canyon]

I wonder if that's just a trailer thing
don't why they'd mess with the voice lines

[bold dove]

To make it more in-line to the story I guess.

[mental basin]

He sounds dumb anyways. Tennant's extremely giddy in Gen 1, for some reason.

[bold dove]

Yeah, Gen1 Rockwell isn't the best.
Aberration Rockwell though? Pretty damn good.

[low briar]

Yeah, bit of an odd choice for Rockwell. Not what I'd imagine his voice to actually sound like. No shame on Tennant, he's a great actor and VA

But all I hear is the Doctor 😂

[bold dove]

Tennant is fine for Rockwell, the issue is how overly comedic he is in Gen1

[mental basin]

Cough, Wildcard's hit-or-miss VO directing, cough.

[bold dove]

Yeah, the casting is fine. It's the shitty directing that's the issue.

[sick canyon]

Yeah but the switch is meant to be a direct port
So you think they'll change it in ASE?

[bold dove]

ASE isn't getting any more updates, so I doubt it.

It'll probably be his lines when they remake Gen1 in ASA.

[mental basin]

"I've been watching Survivors drown in the Ocean Biome!!! 😜 😜 😜"

[bold dove]

Which is kind of weird with the VO directing.

In stuff like TAS or the Gen2 announcement trailers, the directing is good.
But then you have odd moments like Gen1 that's just shit.

[mental basin]

The only re-VO'd HLN-A Discovery I explicitly like is the last one, about his control over Gen 1.

[gusty turret]

If you ever need to read an elder scroll you know who to call

[bold dove]

Gen1 HLN-A feels fucking dead inside.

[mental basin]

She's good in Gen 2, though. Even though her part was butchered.

[bold dove]

Man, why can't we get the old actress back.

[gusty turret]

Shes just useless for most of gen 2

Shes just like an amazon drone trying to get you to buy things

[mental basin]

Erm, because she isn't Australian, and a non-Australian mimicking an Australian is extremely racist! ☝️🫠

[gusty turret]

Speaking of which why the hell does she make us pay for things

No one else is there and theyd probably rather us use the supplies to save the ship than not

[bold dove]

But.....Australians are nationality....not a race?

[gusty turret]

Australians are just British people on a budget

[bold dove]

So are us Americans.

[gusty turret]

Except we're superior

[bold dove]

That's....not saying much.

[gusty turret]

But its still saying something

[bold dove]

I always hated that logic they said.
Do they not understand the point of voice-acting?

You're 'acting' a role.
Doesn't matter what your sex, gender, or race is. If you sound the part, you get the part.

[mental basin]

I meant offensive, but whatever gets the point across. 😭

[bold dove]

I still don't understand how that's offensive.

[mental basin]

Mimicking an accent.

[bold dove]

That's literally acting though.

[gusty turret]

If its the same language its not offensive

[mental basin]

I never said I agreed with their logic.

[bold dove]

I'm not saying you do.

[lofty scaffold]

FR

[gusty turret]

Did they say it was offensive?

[mental basin]

I'd take this HLN-A over the old one, unfortunately.

Old one was unbearably annoying, new one is postmenopausal.

[gusty turret]

Id rather take no HLN-A

[bold dove]

The old one had natural lifeness to her role.
If they redid her lines to be more energetic, then I'll accept her.

[gusty turret]

The new one has early onset dementia

[lofty scaffold]

Can ppl stop blaming actors and voice actors for stuff that's outta there control like bro common man I'd they do a good job idc

[mental basin]

No like actually, because she doesn't mention the Genesis-Ship until the Ascension, and claims that Earth is still dead.

[bold dove]

We're not?

[mental basin]

Don't think he's saying we are.

[gusty turret]

She also just repeats the same lines over and over

So does Rockwell

[lofty scaffold]

It was a point abt what you said I'm agreeing with you

[gusty turret]

The old one also has dementia actually

[bold dove]

Ahh

[gusty turret]

Most of the glitches were the same across biomes

She just repeated it over and over

She's unbearable

[bold dove]

But still, the whole 'needing to be the same nationality as the character' for acting is fucking dumb.
Like no one (hopefully) unironically thinks Timmy Turner is a 12 year old child voice-acting, and not a 40-ish year old woman.....
Actually, there might be a lot of people who think the former.

[mental basin]

Writing "An Incorrect Summary/Review of ARK: Survival Evolved", and HLN-A’s whole bit is that she just gaslights the Survivor.

[gusty turret]

I wish Rockwell would've taken over HLN-A

[mental basin]

I've made a RCK-WL design, actually.

[bold dove]

Man, they really need to redo Gen1's story, and her role in Gen2.

[mental basin]

They're not gonna.

We're stuck with it.

[bold dove]

ASA is the potential that they may.

[gusty turret]

They should add corrupted guardians to the gen 1 biones

[mental basin]

Doubt they'd touch Gen 2. Gen 1 maybe.

[bold dove]

They said they're redoing stuff throughout the 'whole' game.

Especially with the new ASA assets already looking better then anything from the two Genesis maps had.

[gusty turret]

They probably already gave us the list of what they're redoing

Which the only important thing from that list is baby dinos

[bold dove]

'Wild' baby dinos

[gusty turret]

Exactly

Actually cross platform play and mods is pretty important

[mental basin]

Mm Cross-platform

My beloved

[rigid grove]

Back to lore

[brazen sparrow]

I do hope the crossplatform mods work well, that'll be the biggest thing for ASA imo and also Master Controller does sound goofy in the new trailer, but I think it's fitting compared to the ridiculously gruff old one that was super over serious

Rockwell is insane, after all

[gusty turret]

Crazy? I was crazy once, they locked me in a room, a rubber room, a rubber room with rats, and rats make me crazy

[mental basin]

The rats weren't real.

[gusty turret]

You're not real

[bold oxide]

Hey
Someone knows how tall are the titans?
(The more exact, the better)

[spark hatch]

at least 10 feet tall

[gusty turret]

Very big

[velvet mirage]

wich ones

[lament raft]

assuming walls are 1.8-1.9m tall, ice titan is roughly 54-57m tall

king titan is somewhere over 100m tall based on comparison to other titans

other than that i dunno. i wish we got hard numbers like that because i'm the kind of nerd that likes to know the height/weight of things in game

[gusty turret]

Remember the ingame sizes are nerfed compared to in lore

[lament raft]

yes but it's the only way to get numbers most of the time

[bold oxide]

Anyways thank you!

[silver knot]

Taller then a newborn

[winged tapir]

Why can't i buy dlc for my friend?

[brazen sparrow]

That has no bearing on the lore of the game, I reckon

Also #bobs-with-probs

[winged iris]

how dare you say dat

[gusty turret]

Because im big brain

[brazen sparrow]

I mean, he's not wrong though

Australia was initially literally that, since they don't fund or manage their prison colonies very well whatsoever (hence the budget part)

Also to bring up the old point of that convo, no, it isn't racist to voice an accent if you aren't that accent's originating nationality, and I also liked the old VA for HLN-A more, at least for the Gen 1 notes

[bold dove]

Like he's literally right.

Australia started as a prison-island for British prisoners (even though it's a fucking continent)

[quaint marsh]

I still hear her when I think of the Extinction Ascension. She had a bit more expression

[brazen sparrow]

Yeah, far more expressive and cheery sounding, like I expect an AI with a ditzy scientist lady's personality to sound. I was fine with the re-do of the Extinction ascension in particular, because I expected, you know, an emotionless Homo Deus. Even the notes were... fine, passable even. But, I think HLN-A herself should've been left alone as it was supposed to be her straight-up personality, distilled into an AI, and I expected her to sound a certain way in my head by the way the notes were written (and I assume plenty others did, too.)

[quaint marsh]

When it comes to the ascension voice I don't exactly care for law accuracy, the old voice just sounded better even if a homo deus may be more emotionless. The lore is cool but I'll easily take better quality over lore accuracy

[brazen sparrow]

Fair enough, it may even be a smidge more accurate to say that, in her temporarily "human" (as in, literally just her head) form, she may have been feeling a little like her old self and it fit to have the old voice then, too. At least it's all still on Youtube, I guess! 😅

[gusty turret]

I feel like we're heavily overestimating how fast Helena would disappear

Like the others faded because they were being used as batteries

Helena hasn't been doing much, the biggest draw on her energy would've been making HLNA

[brazen sparrow]

And travelling to the ship, and/or whatever else she needed to go back to Earth to do after Genesis

[bold dove]

Depends I guess on how much power it took from her to create HLN-A.

[gusty turret]

I don't think she herself ever actually went to the ship

[gusty turret]

Also true

I've never seen HLN-a charge so

But then when she says "she knew"

Why are we referring to Helena in the past tense

[bold dove]

🤷‍♂️

[gusty turret]

Imagine if they actually explored concepts instead of just opening more and more concepts up and just leaving them open

Hoping the new ASA dlc will either cover what happens to Mei and Diana or cover what happens to Helena

Like the system is dead once the arks reseed so she has no power i don't know why she wants to stay

[gusty turret]

How do you think Rockwell would feel about Jorts

[brazen sparrow]

He'd love them

Freedom of movement, pockets big enough to hold some element to obsess over, made of fine jean material, the whole package

[gusty turret]

Jortwell

[brazen sparrow]

Ark 2: The Rise of Jortwell

I think we've found our subtitle, ladies and gents

[gusty turret]

Jortwell would have a fanny pack too

[low briar]

Utilikilt with Jeggings

Didn't want to blind Helena with his pasty whites

[gusty turret]

Are you calling his legs his pasty whites?

[strong lance]

how did helana and rockwell and mei yin and all the survivors get onto the arks? like how did they get there

[low briar]

Cloned bodies with implanted memories from their past lives

[low briar]

[bold dove]

Cloned on the ARK's.

[gusty turret]

I wouldn't say cloned on the Arks

More of Grown on the Arks

The mind was cloned long ago when they were building the database

The body is just a fleshy flash drive

[low briar]

I hate that you said it, but it's not wrong

[bold dove]

Which the body is a replica of their previous selves....sooo.

Still cloned on the ARK's.

[low briar]

I don't think the specifics matter that much, fleshy flash drives are going to work just as well regardless if they were bought at ArkMart or AratBuy

[gusty turret]

Yeah but like you don't clone crops you grow them

And thats basically what the people on the arks are

Crops/livestock

Its like a wannabe Matrix

(I've never seen the Matrix i just know about the meat fields)

[low briar]

Matrix was more about harvesting humans for power after the fall of civilization, so a fair bit different

[bold dove]

Actually, I believe the term for cutting off a leaf and replanting it 'is' cloning

As it is a replica being grown.
Which is I believe what the definition of cloning is.

"A clone is a plant grown from a cutting from another plant. It is genetically identical to the original plant (commonly known as the parent plant or mother plant). Plant cloning is a common method used to produce a large number of plants with exactly the same characteristics."

So yeah, clipping a leaf and replanting it is, in fact, cloning.

And like Zen said, the Matrix doesn't really grow humans. They're using already existing humans that they basically kidnapped, and put them in a simulation to harvest them.
No form of replication involved if I recall.

[low briar]

Uh, no?
Babies are born and inserted into the Matrix immediately

Machines grow them with the plugs in their heads - that's why 'true' humans from Zion don't have plugs and can't get into the Matrix

[bold dove]

It's been years since I watched the movies.

Anyway, point is that it's still cloning on the ARK's.

[gusty turret]

Yeah but like ruined futuristic world with growing humans

Similar concepts

[gusty turret]

Well, in the Ark's if you'll recall, they aren't genetically identical, they're modified to have stronger immune systems and such to give them the best chances of surviving

So technically it isn't cloning

I still think it isn't really cloning to begin with as much as it is just plugging data into an artificially grown flesh drive, but using that definition it wouldn't be cloning

[gusty turret]

What comes close to cloning isnt until Helena creates respawning

But even then id say thats more like attaching prosthetics than cloning

[low briar]

More like genetic engineering

[mental basin]

Oh my gaaaaa

Imagine they remove Dossier Notes in ASA

And replace them with Creature taming

Like how they deal with the newer Creatures

This would leave strictly lore-related Explorer Notes scattered across the Maps

[gusty turret]

Imagine if the notes actually gave you an order to follow instead of just scattering them across the map

You get like a rough direction sometimes but usually it doesn't tell you where the next is gonna be

[low briar]

Or the order is set and just always unlock them in order. Like, first Helena note location will always be Helena 1, 2nd always Helena 2, ect

[mental basin]

Nah, that'd break immersing for certain Notes

Like the ones in the TEK Cave

Or Helena's in the Tomb of Ascension

[bold dove]

Okay, but why is Helena note 1 in the ocean?

[low briar]

-Record scratch-
Yep. That's me. You might be wondering how I got myself into this mess ...

[mental basin]

Whator

[bold dove]

Waltuh

Waltuh, I need a pluguh.

[mental basin]

Ello I am unde de wata
Pleas help me
Blublbublbu

[bold dove]

Waltuh, you need some watue, or else you'll die.

[gusty turret]

I don't think any sense of immersion comes from the notes to begin with, most people don't even pay attention they just want the experience boost

But maybe if each note came with like a map that led you to the next note or something at the very least so you can have a sense of direction if you're trying to follow them even though the current locations make almost no sense

[strange nymph]

Hey
What's your favorite thing about all of ark lore?
What's the thing you are most excited about, the part that you know the most about, anything.

[lyric tendon]

Given how grim dark the lore actually is

[hidden harbor]

Vin diesel wasn’t bald

He is a wave king

[gusty turret]

I think gatorade should be chunky

[swift gale]

Meiana drives me crazy

[lament raft]

i like how over the top badass they make mei yin. solo tamed a giga with no trap, KO tamed a rock drake, and practically solo'd the king titan

[junior hollow]

Ko taming a drake?
Clearly she has dev commands

[quaint marsh]

I love seeing the connections between tribes and trying to understand the geopolitical aspects that bring them all together

[mental basin]

The part when Helena DIDN'T kill herself.

Also pre-ARK lore.

[bold dove]

We need more pre-ARK lore.

[strange nymph]

Pre ark lore? Where?
Tbh all I know pre ark is that some people built the arks and the idk name ship to preserve life and make people ready to return to earth, and that there was a war

[mental basin]

Oh boy

[strange nymph]

Oh boy what?

[quaint marsh]

please, no

[bold dove]

Why?

[quaint marsh]

It's a mysterious era

of course, I don't want more lore on it purely because of personal reasons, but essentially, it's a mysterious time that is interesting because of just that, it's mystery

Break the shroud and it becomes less special

[gusty turret]

But its not a mystery

Its a mystery if a mystery is a story with an annoyingly low amount of details

Hang on a minute...

[bold dove]

Fuck it, let it be less special.

I wanna know more about the politics during that era.
Or how crime was with a society dedicated to an alien resource.

[arctic sandal]

Ya for real. I didn't really like that they chose that to be the way that she died.

[gusty turret]

If i had a nickel for every time a lesbian has died and came back in ark, id have like 6 nickels, which isn't a lot but its odd that it happened that many times

[wet yew]

Was helena always lesbian? Like in the notes?

[junior hollow]

As someone who isnt 2 into ark lore

This was new for me until animated trailer released

[bold dove]

Never stated her sexuality.

So anything could be canon with that.

[gusty turret]

It was never stated in the notes but afaik it was established out of canon by Wildcard quite a while ago

There was the one person who came in here complaining about Mei being lesbian because it "wasn't realistic" without doing any research about how homosexuality was a big part of ancient Chinese culture

That was funny

[bold dove]

I don't recall anything about Wildcard confirming Helena was gay beforehand.
I believe TAS was the first time it confirmed her sexuality.

[gusty turret]

Pisswell

[brazen sparrow]

[bronze turtle]

when did Helena die?? I thought she lived 😭

[junior hollow]

We literally have a flying orb in gen1-2 called helena i believe

[bronze turtle]

yeah but that’s not from her dying

[mental basin]

All Survivors are clones of long-dead humans.

[mental basin]

That's HLN-A, an AI made with a fragment of Helena’s personality.

[iron breach]

Im making a novel about the Game and its lore

So maybe ill talk here to understand things better if i misundestood something

Anyone knows how Helena became HLN-A?

If you want to help i have a server about It. I Accept criticism, ideas and all kind of help

[lyric tendon]

She made HLNA and transferred her personality into it

Technically "not turning into HLNA"